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Why do we only support mob-rule when our mob wins?

Iain Davis

The internet and the streets are awash with US Democrat voters moaning about the tyranny they fear will be imposed upon them by Republican voters. As recently highlighted by Larken Rose, their hypocrisy has reached the level of absurdity. If they don’t like mob-rule, why do they keep voting for it?

“Representative democracy” is not democracy. Demokratia is power exercised directly by the people, not a tiny gaggle of oligarch serving toadies who claim to represent the people. “Representative democracy” is just another term for oligarchy.

In a real democracy the legislature, the executive and the judiciary are exclusively formed from or controlled by a random, rotating sortition of the people. The people design legislation, the people enact legislation and, most importantly, the people judge the practical application of statute and precedent law in courts formed and led by randomly selected juries.

In a democracy, the jury is sovereign with the united and annexed power to annul any and all legislation or ruling wherever statute or precedent law is found wanting in a jury-led trials. The legislature, the executive and the judiciary are wholly subservient to the people through trial by jury.

The jury’s only concern is justice. It makes no difference to a democratic jury what the legislature seeks, what the executive deems necessary or what instructions the judiciary tries to assert. Wherever and whenever a human being breaks the written law, but the jury finds them not guilty of any injustice, then the failure lies with the law, as it is written, not with the innocent accused. In such circumstances, any democratic jury can overrule extant statute and precedent in the interest of justice—annulment.

Despite the existence of Common Law jurisdictions, which technically allow juries to annul, on neither side of the Atlantic does anyone live in a democracy. Democracy is not the model of government we allow to persist. Whether we call it a constitutional monarchy, a supranational political union or constitutional federal republic, democracy is exercised nowhere.

Democracy is governance by trial by jury and we don’t need any form of government to establish a democracy. Any other political system, no matter how vociferously its proponents demand we call it a democracy, is not democracy.

Instead of democracy, which demands that we each take full responsibility for every aspect of our society and serve justice, we prefer representative democracy—oligarchy. We take responsibility for nothing and are the willing slaves of oligarchs who we passively allow to rule us unjustly under the guise of government.

Every four of five years we participate in anointment ceremonies we call national elections. We reaffirm our slavery to the will of the oligarchs because we wrongly imagine, by choosing a different oligarch aligned mob, we are exercising some sort of sociopolitical choice. Assuming the election isn’t rigged—and they clearly are from time to time—the full scope of our so-called political choice is to determine which oligarch faction will rule us unjustly for the next few years.

While oligarch gangs vie for supremacy, they all agree on the policy trajectory they want to force us down. In our “representative democracies” we will all submit to Sustainable Development-based global governance—Technocracy; programmable digital currency, in one form or another, is inevitable; digital ID will be enforced somehow, whether we want it or not; the bio-security state and polycrisis state of exception are permanently fixed; construction of the digital gulag will be completed, either by deception or force; the new monetary system, that will be foisted upon us, will accelerate the transfer of wealth—of all kinds—from us to the oligarchs and terrorism, genocide, democide, war, propaganda and deception will remain the oligarch’s favoured tools to instill fear in us as they continue to rule us using the strategy of tension.

We can’t vote harder with any rational expectation of changing any of this. We have been comprehensively deceived and it is about time we recognised it.

None of us have the right to force anyone else to do anything. The only exception is our duty to ensure justice prevails when one among us causes harm or loss to others. While others live in peace and practice justice, our right to control others simply does not exist.

The oligarchs have convinced us we can elect their representative puppets to exercise authority, not just over ourselves, but over everyone else. The resultant governments claim they rule by consent, but it isn’t informed consent and therefore no consent at all. If it were, we would all realise that we cannot devolve to government authoritarian rule that none of us can exert in the first place. We cannot bestow upon government that which we do not possess.

The consent of the governed and the social contract are propagandist’s myths. We have never given our informed consent to be ruled and no one has even seen, let alone signed, any contract whereby they agreed to be ruled. The oligarchs deem that we have consented to their mythical authority and have agreed to their invisible social contract simply by virtue of the fact we were born or live in the jurisdictions they illegitimately claim for themselves.

The oligarch owned legacy media hammers home the illusion of the requisite choice in the run up to every anointment ceremony. They promote the fiction that it is our duty to impose the rule of our preferred mob on the people we don’t agree with.

Our only duty is to live in peace by safeguarding justice. The notion that we can do this by absolving ourselves of all responsibility and handing over all decision making power to a handful of corrupt, self-serving robber-baron sycophants is ludicrous. That, in any event, none of us has any right to do so only emphasises the insanity.

Having realised they have just lost the representative democracy game, what is most remarkable about the Democrat’s angst is their envisaged solution. They are determined to regain representative political power, despite recognising that losing power means they have to accept the diktats of what they consider a tyranny.

They, the Republicans and every other voter, are not opposed to mob-rule. On the contrary, they are all for it as long as only their chosen mob gets to control their own and other people’s lives. They are perfectly willing to have all their inalienable—unalienable—rights ignored by the violent enforcers of mob-rule, but only while they fantasize their favoured enforcers represent their purported values.

In the US, in 2028, the reaffirming symbolic razzmatazz will be hyped up once again to convince the slaves to vote for, and thereby submit to, their own slavery. Both Republicans and Democrats will obediently traipse off to the polls to crown their next representative dictator.

Government will remain an oligarchy in perpetuity as long as its subjects can be convinced to vote for it. Oligarchs don’t care who we vote for. If we look like voting the wrong way they’ll rig the election anyway. What they care about is that we continue to believe in their system. Anointment ceremonies—elections—will change nothing beyond the minor narrative shift preferred by the dominant oligarch clique.

Oligarchs don’t particularly care about how many of us vote either. As we saw in the 2024 UK “general election,” the fact that more than 82% of the electorate didn’t vote for the current government and almost half didn’t vote for any government at all, did nothing to deter government from claiming some sort of spurious electoral mandate.

Not consenting to mob-rule is the obvious, prudent position but, absent fostering our independence from mob-rule, we’ll still be subject mob-rule as long as one man and his dog vote for it. Oligarchs are enamoured with their representative democratic system for a reason. Our only feasible, practical solution is to ignore mob-rule.

Oligarchs are obsessed with maintaining our trust. This matters to them because they are powerless to do anything if they lose our trust in their representative political system. If we instead decide we want to live in a democracy, ultimately, their rule is finished.

While neither voting nor refusing to vote will change the iniquities of mob-rule, at least not voting signifies we do not consent to it. By not participating in the oligarch’s farcical ordination rituals and never wasting a moment on playing any part in them, we can devote our time to more productive endeavours.

It will then be for those who impose mob-rule upon us to argue that we consent. If we continue not to vote in sufficient numbers, at some point, this will become untenable.

In the meantime, rather than recognise that supporting mob-rule is humanity’s greatest undoing, the party faithful will continue to inflict it on the rest of us and then complain bitterly when their inhuman strategy fails. Those of us who appreciate this will have to strive for something better regardless.

The good news is that pretty much everything we do today is done on an entirely voluntary basis. For example, farmers grow food, hauliers take it to market and we buy it without anyone telling anyone else what to do. Everyone involved in this complex, global demand and supply chain is motivated solely by their own interest. No one needs to be ordered to do anything. We are perfectly capable of organising our society spontaneously, without coercion or other forms of force being applied. In fact, we already do, most of the time.

The mob-rule favoured by voters and oligarchs empowers government. Government’s role is to protect the interests of oligarchs. Hence, proposing legislation to tax independent farmers out of business and force them to sell their life giving assets to the corporations owned and controlled by oligarchs. Controlling our lives and empowering themselves is what oligarchs are all about.

Of course, the solution to all of this is for us to actively refuse to comply with any of it. We can and we must maximise our independence from the villainous control system called “representative democracy” if we want humanity to survive. Real democracy would enable us to defeat the malevolent oligarchy at every turn. Which is why advocating real democracy is called extremism and considered tantamount to terrorism by governments.

Some minarchists will argue that engaging in representative democracy at the local level remains worthwhile. It is certainly more useful if the full extent of your concern is to influence local planning decisions. But local politics is controlled by national government decree and national government policy is engineered by global governance touting oligarchs.

While local elections—in the UK at least—probably aren’t rigged so frequently, they are susceptible to gerrymandering and still produce local officials with no electoral legitimacy. What’s worse, oligarchs have extended their reach—certainly in the major urban areas—to local representative democracy.

Local representative democracy may provide an avenue to more effectively express our views but it doesn’t make a jot of difference to the policy trajectory that controls our lives. Furthermore, voting is morally reprehensible and there are better practical solutions if we want to exercise genuine “choice.”

We can and, I suggest, should focus on our improving our local communities. If we build self sustaining, independent communities and work with other similarly minded communities to collectively meet our needs then, over time, we could gain the economic power necessary to make a national or even an international political difference. If, for one moment, we aim to achieve this by merely voting we’ll remain condemned to the oligarchs’ mob-rule.

It is an immense irony that those of us who point this out are accused of offering nothing but black-pills. In truth, recognising the problem is the first step to liberation.

By maximising our independence and actively engaging in non-compliance we are moving toward something better. Blindly paying homage every few years, while preposterously insisting this is the only peaceable mechanism by which we exercise agency in our own lives, is the abject surrender of the genuinely black-pilled.

It is up to the rest of us to get on with constructing the kind of society we want to live in. Hopefully, liberating more of the mob-ruled along the way.

The argument against breaking free is that the ruling mob will persecute us for doing so. It undoubtedly will. Such is the nature of the violent, oppressive mob people keep voting for, though they only support it if their mob wins.

Iain Davis is an independent journalist a researcher from the UK. You can read more of Iain’s work at his blog IainDavis.com (Formerly InThisTogether) or follow him on Twitter or subscribe to his SubStack. His book Pseudopandemic, is now available, in both in kindle and paperback, from Amazon and other sellers..

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Lost in a dark wood
Lost in a dark wood
Nov 25, 2024 1:59 PM

Slavery is a spectrum.

– Iain Davis

This is the new variation of the nihilism psyop – designed to get people to disengage from the political process. The “they’re both the same” variation failed since: (a) people went out and voted; and (b) there are obvious differences regarding at least some key policies (e.g. energy, climate, immigration, medical freedom). Dig a little deeper and there’s the choice between national sovereignty and the Globalist agenda set out on the Georgia Guidestones.

So the pushers of the previous variations need a new one to discredit those who believe in rational government (i.e. reasonable, sensible, effective, democratic, representative). But like the earlier variations, this one is also too retarded to waste any time on!

esure
esure
Nov 23, 2024 6:17 PM

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esure
esure
Nov 23, 2024 6:16 PM

;o)

my ways are not theirs
my ways are not theirs
Nov 22, 2024 10:19 PM

it seems like everyone has his or her own special insight into what “true” democracy is, and, on the other side of the coin, what “true” fascism is, and in the end it always seems to boil down to, “democracy is what I like, and fascism is the opposite”

to get beyond these terms which nowadays in my opinion have been stretched to the point of meaninglessness, I would propose instead simply to enumerate the properties of a system that we value, without giving them any particular ideological label

I think one basic principle that many people who bemoan the lack of “democracy” are really underlyingly deeply attached to, is what we might call self-determination, or more precisely freedom from being subjected to decisions made by others about crucial aspects of our lives, what the Germans call FREMDBESTIMMUNG

whether those decisions are made by an autocrat, an oligarchic cabal, a priest, a sanctimonious expert scientist, a duly constituted plurality of voters or some tribunal of wise elders chosen by lots, they are a form of tyranny if they disregard the will of the individuals to whom they are applied, which can never be justly delegated

Vagabard
Vagabard
Nov 22, 2024 6:44 PM

“In a democracy, a jury is sovereign …”

A randomly selected jury as the ideal form of Government? The film “12 Angry Men (1957)” may provide a counter-example.

The ICC recently issued warrants for the arrest of 3 dead Hamas leaders alongside Putin and Netanyahu. A microcosm of what rule-by-arbitrary-court would look like? ie a distorted, bought ‘justice’ as opposed to the Absolute version.

I’m all for change but it needs to genuinely to be for the better

Vagabard
Vagabard
Nov 22, 2024 7:05 PM
Reply to  Vagabard

“82% of the electorate didn’t vote for the current government…”

Therein lieth the solution. 82% of the population walk around saying “I didn’t vote for you. I voted for someone else or chose not to vote, since nobody represented my views”

The seeds of change are built there. Not in not voting at all.

my ways are not theirs
my ways are not theirs
Nov 22, 2024 9:37 PM
Reply to  Vagabard

yeah government by jury sounds more like KANGAROOocracy to me

sandy
sandy
Nov 22, 2024 5:45 PM

Thank you Iain!

“…recognising the problem is the first step to liberation.”

Absolutely. Because then we realize the existing system provides no solutions and we begin in earnest to design and build a system that is the solution. Removing our energy from their system, bankrupts them, let’s it’s system whither and die. Please.

Howard
Howard
Nov 22, 2024 3:01 PM

Here in the US, as I’ve noted before, politics has become synonymous with sports. Elections are sporting contests every bit as much as the World Series or Super Bowl. Consequently, a majority of eligible voters would no more think of not voting than they would of not watching The Big Game.

Obviously, this did not happen by accident. The oligarchs were well aware that Americans were losing interest in elections, so they set about jazzing them up a bit. Now in America you can’t do that with, say, Shakespeare or even Mark Twain – you need something more appealing to the American mentality. So – voila! – make it the Yankees and other baseball teams; or even more so, the Denver Broncos and other football teams.

Think of President-elect Trump as Quarterback of Team Red; and of Kamala Harris as Quarterback of Team Blue. BTW, this analogy explains why a woman is not likely to ever become President of the USA.

Camille
Camille
Nov 22, 2024 7:47 PM
Reply to  Howard

I don’t think that the US has ever been a democracy. All the preseidents have always been very wealthy I believe. You have always needed a lot of money to become the President / a Senator. I think in Western Europe money used to play less of a role..although when we examine a lot of things closely it seems the the ‘ US’ and its predecessors ( European countries) have always had a hand in things. ( I am not ‘ Us’ bashing or ‘Europe’ bashing. What has always been behind the US and the European countries is big business. The problem got even more seriously out of control when Bill Clinton allowed shadow banks to come into existence and be very powerful

my ways are not theirs
my ways are not theirs
Nov 22, 2024 9:42 PM
Reply to  Howard

in fact this goes back to the golden days of the Roman Empire, from which Washington’s founders drew much inspiration, not least architecturally

the emperor Justin was chosen after a sort of election campaign involving the pay out of large sums intended to win over the color-coded factions of supporters of different teams competing in the colisseum, whose political influence was paramount

Camille
Camille
Nov 26, 2024 8:08 PM

‘ not least architecturally’ . Are you kidding? The USA is gross.
A proud European

judith
judith
Nov 22, 2024 12:51 PM

OT, but just wanted to acknowledge the 61st anniversary of the oligarchy letting us know in no uncertain terms who runs things.
And in case we didn’t quite understand it the first time, they repeated it 3 more times in 5 years.
The older I get the worse it feels.

Camille
Camille
Nov 22, 2024 7:51 PM
Reply to  judith

Please explain. It seems to me you must be referring to the assassination of Kennedy by your reference to the 61st anniversary. But what is to the reference to the repetitions? Malcolm X maybe ? MLK maybe?

my ways are not theirs
my ways are not theirs
Nov 22, 2024 9:49 PM
Reply to  Camille

JFK, MLK, Malcolm X and RFK are the prominent American political figures killed in the 1960s whose deaths provoked the most wrenching social uoheavals

judith
judith
Nov 22, 2024 11:08 PM

Yes, my ways

From 1963 through 1968.

Incomprehensible.

Camille
Camille
Nov 23, 2024 6:01 PM
Reply to  judith

or as you imply in your first post all too comprehensible and absolutely terrifying

Camille
Camille
Nov 27, 2024 3:39 PM
Reply to  judith

Yes.Thanks to you and ‘ my ways’ for replying. I see this point was already covered in another recnt Offg article about the assassinations

suzaloop
suzaloop
Nov 22, 2024 12:21 PM

The internet and the streets are awash with US Democrat voters moaning about the tyranny they fear will be imposed upon them by Republican voters. As recently highlighted by Larken Rose, their hypocrisy has reached the level of absurdity. If they don’t like mob-rule, why do they keep voting for it?

Your opening and framing of the article is pure bullshit and propaganda Iain.
The internet.?
the streets.?

I recall 2020 until early this year and all your Expertiot, Fauxpert,MIC altmedia bullshiters
where screaming The steal.

The level of absurdity is more so on the right with RFK and Trump as some heroes to oppose the system when the evidence as usual, points to pure bullshit.

RFK CIA ghostwriters book he supposedly put out.

The Real Anthony Fauci: Bill Gates, Big Pharma, and the Global War on Democracy and Public Health (Children’s Health Defense) – which endorses lockdown and 14 day quarantine and sell the viirus lab leak lie and safe medication!

The Wuhan Cover-Up: And the Terrifying Bioweapons Arms Race (Children’s Health Defense) again another title selling pure bullshit.

just before he ran as president, the new book his CIA handlers put out.

A Letter to Liberals: Censorship and COVID: An Attack on Science and American Ideals – have to have one of the books out when you switch sides which sells the fake fantasy of good ole times when politics was so fair.

Iain Davis
Iain Davis
Nov 22, 2024 1:25 PM
Reply to  suzaloop

I think if there were ever a criticism made that illustrated precisely the point criticised, you’ve just posted it.

suzaloop
suzaloop
Nov 22, 2024 6:27 PM
Reply to  Iain Davis

I think if there were ever a criticism made that illustrated precisely the point criticised, you’ve just posted it.

Says the guys who sells another form of U.K shillum under the guise of

In a real democracy the legislature, the executive and the judiciary are exclusively formed from or controlled by a random, rotating sortition of the people.

I wont write to my MP as you have suggested in the past

I write to santa instead.



Iain Davis
Iain Davis
Nov 25, 2024 12:47 PM
Reply to  suzaloop

I have never suggested that anyone write to their MP. Nor have I ever advocated any form of government. You conveniently omitted:

Democracy is governance by trial by jury and we don’t need any form of government to establish a democracy.”

You’re just making stuff up.

Nick
Nick
Nov 22, 2024 12:20 PM

The claim that ‘voting is morally reprehensible’ may itself be morally reprehensible. Even in flawed and corrupted representative democracies, some candidates deserve support for ethical reasons, while others do not. For example, if certain candidates oppose such evils as bankers’ wars, mass censorship and replacement migration, then not voting for them means consenting to rule by the globalist puppets currently gifting us all these things and worse. Obviously, such ideal candidates may not exist in the UK, but this is not the case elsewhere. In sum, if no better options for resisting elite tyranny are offered, then urging plebs to give up voting looks naive, nihilistic, useful only for elite control, and so morally-reprehensible in the extreme.

Iain Davis
Iain Davis
Nov 22, 2024 1:29 PM
Reply to  Nick

You do not have the right to put a tick in a box and thereby choose your favourite gang who will then force me to do what they say because you think they should have that authority. You are forcing me to abide by your choice and to suffer the consequences. I think your position is morally reprehensible. I am not your or your favourite gangs slave.

Lost in a dark wood
Lost in a dark wood
Nov 22, 2024 3:45 PM
Reply to  Iain Davis

Are you seriously comparing minor infringements on personal freedom – paying a share toward public works, requiring a driving licence, being subject to planning restrictions, etc – to slavery!

sandy
sandy
Nov 22, 2024 6:28 PM

This is where Iain’s points are highlighting the fact we all need to reevaluate the entirety of the existing system. Even the details like a drivers license or Planning and Zoning. For instance, learning to drive is important but a license is purposeless for the individual. The DL only is a tool to say one agrees to be a subject to false jurisdiction and fine-extracted at whim pullover. Planning and Zoning can have good safety features, but much of it is revenue extraction on individuals and rule making that subsidizes profit objectives of the 1% from high above. The new Middle Housing Initiatives sweeping across the US claiming to bring housing “equity” to low income people is nothing but a deregulation of R-1 Zoning, allowing developers and some entrepreneurial homeowners to cash in with up to 8 units on a 5,000 sq ft lot with 32 foot building height. They are doing this here in Eugene. Monster developments loom over modest single level homes when developers should be working higher density areas or feasible fringe areas. 95% of public comment opposes MH but the local oligarchs just continue forward regardless. This is where the People should be facilitated to be informed, to discuss, to vet, to design and to implement through directives the policies WE want. Our authority, not theirs.

Lost in a dark wood
Lost in a dark wood
Nov 22, 2024 6:34 PM
Reply to  sandy

I’m not part of your “we”!

sandy
sandy
Nov 22, 2024 7:47 PM

You can choose to be a part of we, or not.

Iain Davis
Iain Davis
Nov 25, 2024 1:00 PM

Fine. But you are part of the “we” who enforces your rules on all the other people who form a different “we.” What makes you think your “we” is so superior and who gave your “we” that claimed authority?

Iain Davis
Iain Davis
Nov 25, 2024 12:55 PM

Yes. You cannot be somewhat free or a bit of a slave. You either have complete autonomy or someone else tells you what to do to some greater or lesser extent. Slavery is a spectrum. At one end is the trafficked slave and at the other is subject of the state. You imagine yourself free but you aren’t. If you were, the product of your labour could not be extracted from you by force to fund genocide. But it is because you most assuredly are not free.

Camille
Camille
Nov 22, 2024 7:53 PM
Reply to  Iain Davis

Ok,ok, but it has taken someone like me a long time to realise the truth of what you say in your article. There was at least free speech until …I’m not sure the nineties I think?

Jonathan
Jonathan
Nov 22, 2024 10:30 PM
Reply to  Iain Davis

Oh please. Voting does make SOME difference, and people vote for the person they think will do the least harm.

There is no strategic advantage to abstaining from voting. None. Voting does not empower the people who are in control. They already have power.

If your desire is rebellion then say so, don’t offer not-voting as any kind of solution.

Lost in a dark wood
Lost in a dark wood
Nov 23, 2024 6:25 AM
Reply to  Iain Davis

We take responsibility for nothing and are the willing slaves of oligarchs who we passively allow to rule us unjustly under the guise of government. Every four of five years we participate in anointment ceremonies we call national elections. We reaffirm our slavery . . . In the US, in 2028, the reaffirming symbolic razzmatazz will be hyped up once again to convince the slaves to vote for, and thereby submit to, their own slavery.

Seriously!?

sandy
sandy
Nov 22, 2024 6:01 PM
Reply to  Nick

Your statement is the excuse the system deploys to dupe people into stepping back into an endless, worthless feedback loop of their nothing for the 99%. Voting for 1% or even 5% of what you desire as policies to guide society, is their Groundhogs Day loop. Even the most supposedly radical candidates sellout or are sabotaged. Rand Paul just voted to authorize funding Israeli weapons purchases, against Sanders’ bill to stop them. Sanders’ used to be opposed to the wars but always voted to fund them ultimately. Gore won but handed the election over to Bush to give us 911. Kucinich said all the right things but was never allowed to do anything else, just as the Green Party has been sabotaged from within and from without by Dems. The practical truth is individual humans must never have authority-to-decide ANYTHING. All authority must come from the People where the acting entity or person is carrying out only directives of the People. Difficult to do in mass society, but technically and creatively possible if we design it to serve informed consent under an acceptable form of consensus.

my ways are not theirs
my ways are not theirs
Nov 22, 2024 9:55 PM
Reply to  sandy

the German Green party is an even more strident example, founded on the principle of promoting peace and now integral paricipant in war mongering and proxy bloodbaths

sandy
sandy
Nov 23, 2024 2:11 AM

Yes, we’ve seen similar in the US with Amy Goodman of “Democracy” Now with her “War & Peace Report” in the WAR EMPIRE camp rooting for Ukraine. Even my anarchist (anti-authoritarian) friends went apeshit fascist with the LOCKDOWN crap. I am guessing the PTB have finally figured out that feigning humanism will get them lefties rollin’ in. Unfortunately so, it seems, in many cases.

mgeo
mgeo
Nov 23, 2024 5:32 AM
Reply to  Nick

I prefer democracy where we elect, or allow, one person to become God Emperor (President). He then appoints everyone at the next level, subject to approval by landed fat-cats (Senators). This should be imposed everywhere, even in Afghanistan or PNG. 😀 

Rhys Jaggar
Rhys Jaggar
Nov 22, 2024 12:07 PM

True democracy can only be built from the ground up. It’s much easier to practice democracy in a village than it is in a state of 60 million people.

That’s why it is in the interests of oligarch, monarchs etc to expand the unit size of governance quicker than the populace are capable of practicing democracy effectively.

There was no capability of practicing democracy in 1066 in the UK. It was a monarchy. It became an oligarchy courtesy of Magna Carta, which granted certain rights to a few Noblemen (no Noblewomen).

Creating empires deliberately seeks to undemine any possibility of democracy over a much wider sphere. The British Empire was a series of colonies, administered by the British oligarchs, depriving sovereignty and democratic rights to several generations of subjugated populations.

Britain is still an astonishingly primitive place in terms of democracy. If you look at how Switzerland governs itself, the complexity of its citizen rights dwarfs that of Britain. They actually had a vote on building a new tunnel under the Alps to try and remove large trucks from the High Alpine passes to improve the air quality and environment. It wasn’t a cheap project, rather akin to HS2 in the UK in terms of cost (initial cost) and complexity (totally new length of tunnel and hence novel engineering challenges). The people voted in favour, which automatically led to allocation of funds. Ok, a big tunnel doesn’t have any NIMBYism involved, but it showed how the Swiss citizenry get the chance to vote on matters deemed of national importance.

Yet still we hear this nonsense about how Britain ‘led the world’. Yes it did, in an era of colonialism, anti-democracy and conquest.

In an era where citizen empowerment and engagement might occur, Britain is a special-needs, bottom of the class candidate. Far more interested in money, status, NIMBYism and selfish self-aggrandisement.

Democracy never works with a populace with those qualities……

Clutching at straws
Clutching at straws
Nov 22, 2024 2:12 PM
Reply to  Rhys Jaggar

I was reading about the birth of democracy in Greece where they realised exactly that.

Ideally, direct democracy would be the model for a society but it wouldn’t be practical so representative democracy took its place.

Ironically, representative democracy is now the cause of so many of our problems.

sandy
sandy
Nov 22, 2024 6:31 PM

We can do direct democracy with the technology we have now. A design science project we need to engage.

Clutching at straws
Clutching at straws
Nov 22, 2024 10:15 PM
Reply to  sandy

So, we all trust the technology?

Voting machines in US seem to be a huge problem

sandy
sandy
Nov 23, 2024 2:17 AM

“trust the technology” is a non sequitur. Technology is a tool and can be designed to perform functions Humanity wishes to implement. Technology is not attached solely to it’s capitalist overlord/creators. It is virtual and anyone can design what is needed. We can design what is needed and our authority will give us the resources, as a sovereign collective, to implement. After disposing of the 1% obstacles.

Camille
Camille
Nov 22, 2024 7:55 PM

I’ve just watched a fascinated podcast by a German journalist called Hermann Ploppa about the way the Greeks’ drive for freedom was put down by Nato ( the Us and the the UK). He says basically Stalin and Nato did a deal. Nato/ the US gave Stalin Rumania and he gave ‘ the West’ Greece. It was on the website of Apolut which I think is a good publication

underground poet
underground poet
Nov 22, 2024 8:59 PM

Stray to far from the laws of nature and one does eventually fall off the cliff.

Lost in a dark wood
Lost in a dark wood
Nov 22, 2024 2:41 PM
Reply to  Rhys Jaggar

If you look at how Switzerland governs itself . . .

Thanks to “my mob”, many of the democratic Maoists of Switzerland are receiving Biblical justice!

https://www.dw.com/en/swiss-reject-plan-to-abolish-covid-health-pass/a-59960103
Nov 28, 2021
Swiss reject plan to abolish COVID health pass
The Swiss public firmly rejected a plan to abolish the country’s COVID certificate . . . Sixty-two percent of voters said ‘Yes’ to keeping the health pass, which was introduced in September. and not seek major amendments to Switzerland’s COVID law. The certificate restricts entry to public places, including bars and restaurants to those who are fully vaccinated, recovered from the virus or have a negative test. The referendum took place as concerns rise over the worrying new COVID-19 variant omicron . . .

Opponents of the certificate forced the poll with a petition that garnered 187,000 signatures, way above the 50,000 needed to hold a referendum. They said the pass, which most people use via an app, is discriminatory and amounts to a de facto obligation to get vaccinated. Along with grassroots groups that were formed during the pandemic, the right-wing People’s Party has campaigned for its abolition, despite voting for the certificate earlier this year . . . The campaign even won the support of American anti-vaccination campaigner Robert F. Kennedy Jr. who flew in for a rally in the capital, Bern, earlier this month. . . . Sunday’s poll was the second time in less than six months that the Swiss public has voted on the government’s response to the pandemic.

https://www.thejournal.ie/switzerland-covid-pass-law-referendum-5614486-Nov2021
Nov 28, 2021
Switzerland backs law behind Covid pass in referendum
The law provides the legal basis for the so-called Covid certificate to indicate that a person has been vaccinated or has recovered from the disease.
Opponents claimed the certificate, which has been required since September for access to restaurants and other indoor spaces and activities, is creating an “apartheid” system.
Final results showed 62 percent supported the law in a contest that saw voters surge to fill in their ballots.
The 65 percent turnout was the fourth-highest since women were granted the vote in 1971, in a country where the average referendum turnout is 46 percent.
A majority voted against the law in just two of the 26 Swiss cantons, with the highest support levels registered in Basel City and Zurich.
Insults and death threats
Under Switzerland’s direct democracy system, votes are typically held four times a year on a range of subjects. Citizens can propose new initiatives, or trigger referendums on government policy by gathering enough signatures, as happened on the Covid certificate law.
As in much of Europe, Switzerland has seen growing anger over restrictions aimed at reining in the pandemic, and pressure to get vaccinated.
But in a country where the regular votes normally take place in a climate of civility and measured debate, the soaring tensions around the Covid law vote came as a shock.

my ways are not theirs
my ways are not theirs
Nov 22, 2024 9:59 PM

that tunnel was in fact an extremely controversial project with many environmental-impact issues, which were downplayed, surprise surprise, by the big corporations hoping to be awarded contracts to complete the project

Jonathan
Jonathan
Nov 22, 2024 10:51 PM

62% voted for neverending oppression over an invisible bogeyman problem.

I’m still shocked at humanity’s stupidity. I thought we were a truly magnificent species until 2020. I will never have that wonderful feeling again.

Jonathan
Jonathan
Nov 22, 2024 10:37 PM
Reply to  Rhys Jaggar

Why are you blaming the British populace for the behaviour of the ruling class?

Have you not realised that such rulers have no allegiance to any nation, they just happen to be located in a certain place at a certain time?

RevChislet
RevChislet
Nov 23, 2024 6:20 AM
Reply to  Rhys Jaggar

Interesting opening ceremony for that tunnel.

ironic
ironic
Nov 22, 2024 10:47 AM

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ironic
ironic
Nov 22, 2024 10:46 AM

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ironic
ironic
Nov 22, 2024 10:45 AM

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Camille
Camille
Nov 26, 2024 8:12 PM
Reply to  ironic

I’m not convinced. I honestly think that the NHS used ot be good and did cure us.

Clutching at straws
Clutching at straws
Nov 22, 2024 9:26 AM

Yeah, ok Iain.

But the other side are bloody idiots !

Edwige
Edwige
Nov 22, 2024 8:50 AM

Just in case anyone hadn’t seen the parallels…
https://www.newstatesman.com/comment/2024/11/assisted-dying-advocates-have-much-to-learn-from-the-legalisation-of-abortion

Mass killing of the elderly (who they certainly don’t intend to pay for anymore – think of the missiles that money could buy!) previously required a one-off event of unprecedented magnitude; soon it’ll be an every day event. And with people happily “consenting” in it….

Lost in a dark wood
Lost in a dark wood
Nov 22, 2024 8:15 AM

Channel 4’s Scripted Gogglebox
https://old.bitchute.com/video/H87BdvBImbDd

OH MY GOD: scripted to point a finger at a anti vaxxer or sceptic. its also makes it look like RFK is a good guy, that i don’t believe.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gogglebox
Gogglebox is a British [scripted] reality television series created by Stephen Lambert, Tania Alexander and Tim Harcourt, and broadcast on Channel 4. The series documents families and groups of friends around the United Kingdom who are filmed for their observations and reactions to the previous week’s television from their own homes. The first series launched on 7 March 2013, and the twenty-fourth series began airing on 13 September 2024.

BTW: I doubt OMG’s second point – that it’s scripted to make RFK look like a good guy – mainly because the low-level propagandists at Channel 4 are not that sophisticated.

NickM
NickM
Nov 22, 2024 7:15 AM
  • In a real democracy the legislature, the executive and the judiciary are exclusively formed from or controlled by a random, rotating sortition of the people.

Direct Democracy is no better than Representative Democracy, and not much different from Tyranny. It was tried in Athens, voted for the Colonialist Wars that ruined Athens, and voted for the execution of Socrates which shamed Athens.

“Democracy is the best form of bad government” — Plato, friend of Socrates.

Nick
Nick
Nov 22, 2024 12:29 PM
Reply to  NickM

So does the problem of government have any solution at all? I’m assuming the necessity of its existence in modern mass society.

NickM
NickM
Nov 22, 2024 5:19 PM
Reply to  Nick

< does the problem of government have any solution at all? >

Good question so far with only partial solutions derived from our pre-chimpanzee cousins: a top chimp is aided by henchmen, and the bottom chimps gang up to expel any chimp unfortunate enough to have got beaten up by the hench chimps. Certain humans — notably Zoroaster, Plato, Buddha and Yeshuah have proposed other schemes. The best minds are working on it, but the problem of Government is wrapped ip in a far bigger and much older problem:

Has the problem of Life any solution at all?

“We must love one another and die” — WH Auden.

sandy
sandy
Nov 22, 2024 6:34 PM
Reply to  NickM

Voters there were the aristocracy, not commoners. An indigenous tribe provides a better example. The book Ecotopia is a glimpse of a form of DD. We need to be open and design it.

my ways are not theirs
my ways are not theirs
Nov 22, 2024 11:06 PM
Reply to  NickM

actually I seem to remember that Plato’s idea of utopia was a kind of dictatorship run by know-it-all philosopher geniuses like himself, with the help of an edifice of lies and myths fed to the riffraff to keep them from rebelling

Lost in a dark wood
Lost in a dark wood
Nov 22, 2024 5:16 AM

The argument against breaking free is that the ruling mob will persecute us for doing so. It undoubtedly will. Such is the nature of the violent, oppressive mob people keep voting for, though they only support it if their mob wins.

If “my mob” is the one which will protect me against the violence of the “other mob” – in this case the violence is that of being rounded up and consigned to a Maoist re-education camp or being forced to take life-threatening injections – then the ascendency of “my mob” is something to cheer about. Yes?

Big Al
Big Al
Nov 22, 2024 5:09 AM

I would suggest revision of the title of the article to “Why do SOME only support mob-rule when THEIR mob wins?” Considering the fact that there are around 270 million eligible voters in the U.S. and only about 160 million voted, that leaves about 40% of the voting eligible population, much more than either of the presidential candidates received, as people who did not participate in this fraud of democracy, myself included. I would also suggest there are and have long been significant numbers of people, “focusing on improving our local communities”, as there have been since the 60’s when communes became popular. But the ruling train keeps on rolling, over and under all of us. Perhaps some can create their own little self-sufficient communities, somewhat immune from globalist dictates, but with the reach and power of the global elite, that’s mostly just a pipe dream relative to it being the eventual solution toward “something better” for all. I think we can walk and chew gum at the same time and work within local communities AND organize to take down the global ruling structure and work toward real freedom and liberty on the planet. In fact, if we don’t, any improvement in our local communities won’t be worth shit in the long run.

Penelope
Penelope
Nov 22, 2024 3:51 AM

Representative democracy is NOT oligarchy.

Clutching at straws
Clutching at straws
Nov 22, 2024 9:26 AM
Reply to  Penelope

It shouldn’t be.

Nick
Nick
Nov 22, 2024 12:35 PM

If representative democracy can be corrupted into oligarchy, then uncorrupting it seems possible. Also, are governments going away if we abandon voting?

Clutching at straws
Clutching at straws
Nov 22, 2024 2:15 PM
Reply to  Nick

If you look at USA for example, where there are billions involved in the voting system, how do you propose cleaning up that cicus ?

Penelope
Penelope
Nov 22, 2024 3:41 AM

INTERNATIONAL CRIMINAL COURT ISSUES WARRANTS FOR NETANYAHU AND
GALLANT OVER WAR CRIMES IN GAZA
https://merylnass.substack.com/p/international-criminal-court-issues

Reuters confirms

ironic
ironic
Nov 22, 2024 10:48 AM
Reply to  Penelope

INTERNATIONAL CRIMINAL COURT ISSUES WARRANTS FOR NETANYAHU AND

GALLANT OVER WAR CRIMES IN GAZA

Again!

How many of theses have been issued ??

Nick
Nick
Nov 22, 2024 12:37 PM
Reply to  ironic

Wasn’t this judgement a first?

Camille
Camille
Nov 23, 2024 6:04 PM
Reply to  Penelope

I am sure it will be the same meaningless gesture that brings nothing worth having to Palestine

Edwige
Edwige
Nov 22, 2024 3:33 AM

Christian Parenti is resolutely unwoke. But he is not stupid. He hated what the Democrats did. But he fears what the Republicans will do. He says that, with a landslide, they might be able to control enough states to pass amendments, and therewith privatize the Post Office, privatize Social Security, make it illegal to join unions, etc.

See 25:58 How The Left Lost Its Mind Over COVID & Became Authoritarians

Bloobock
Bloobock
Nov 22, 2024 3:32 AM

This is the best and most important article I’ve read on this site. It should be the mission statement of Off-Guardian going forward. The problem we’re facing has been sufficiently described. It’s time to move on to the solution. Boycotting “democracy” isn’t just the most important aspect of any conceivable solution, it’s probably the only necessary act.

Make this happen, Mr. Banks.

Nick
Nick
Nov 22, 2024 12:39 PM
Reply to  Bloobock

I’m sure the WEF, WHO and other globalist tyrants will be terrified by millions of non-voters.

Bloobock
Bloobock
Nov 23, 2024 12:48 PM
Reply to  Nick

(I confused Iain Davis with Iain Banks, apologies to Mr, Davis.)

Yes, those organizations absolutely would be terrified, and Mr. Davis pointed out why. All of the globalist superstructure is built on the sub-structure of fictional democracy. The people are kept in a trance by the participatory illusion, constantly made to think that they’ve delegated their power to representatives who used that borrowed power to to support the WHO, the UN, the WEF, et al. If democracy were boycotted, all of those structures and everything built on them would instantly be exposed as naked tyranny and they would have to operate in the open. They are _not_ ready for that, they are not _built_ for that, they would not survive that. The system would be in chaos until a new equilibrium is found. There’s no guarantee that the new equilibrium would be any more genuinely democratic than this one, but it’s the only chance of meaningful change.

The act of of voting needs to have such a stink of collaboration on it that only politicians themselves will dare show up on voting day.

Camille
Camille
Nov 26, 2024 8:13 PM
Reply to  Bloobock

? No they don’t give a toss. If is obvious now that they just don’t give a toss and don’t even try to have their puppets on MSM make any kind of rational statements

Penelope
Penelope
Nov 24, 2024 1:25 AM
Reply to  Nick

Thank you Nick! I’m just going to take my marbles and go home then– if I don’t trip over my pouting lower lip on the way.

sandy
sandy
Nov 22, 2024 6:41 PM
Reply to  Bloobock

Absolutely friend!!! I’ve been preaching this for a long time here and agree. We know all the problems and have them listed. It is now time to move on to brainstorming the solutions which i only see as moving authority-to-decide from the oligarchs at every level into the hands and minds of the People, the Public Commons.

Bloobock
Bloobock
Nov 23, 2024 3:24 PM
Reply to  sandy

I have sympathy for the writers and editors at Off-Guardian — the overlords have made it very difficult to do more than describe the problems. They have an effective framework for labeling “passive describers” as conspiracy theorists and thereby neutralizing them without resorting to overt aggression. But solutions are another story, there are countless laws against even whispering about solutions — not just “incitement to violence” stuff, but even against mild recommendation like non-participation.

I don’t doubt that Mr. Davis’ article (and most of the comments, like ours) already fall foul of many of of these laws. If a general movement toward open boycott of “democratic” processes actually got off the ground, attacks on the structural underpinnings of “democracy” would certainly be prosecuted at the level of violent insurrection. Anybody who runs a site like this must be constantly fretting over the location of the current regime’s boundary line between tolerable dissent and prosecutable sedition.

sandy
sandy
Nov 23, 2024 9:17 PM
Reply to  Bloobock

“…there are countless laws against even whispering about solutions — not just “incitement to violence” stuff, but even against mild recommendation like non-participation. ”

There are no laws against free speech in the US, except extreme circumstances like screaming “fire” in a crowded theater. I can say f*you right to a cops face and they can do nothing. If there are public witnesses that disable their documented hater rages. Recent criminalization of speech like Germany and the UK cannot be done in the US, legally or otherwise for obvious Constitutional reasons. Censorship they can attempt which is also illegal, yes, but it shows the censors out as their true totalitarian selves. One of the reasons Dims lost. Questioning abstention is impossible. We already have 40% of eligible voters permanently not voting, and in state and local elections some puppets are being elected by merely 15% of eligible voters and almost always less than 30%. This not majority rule by any stretch. I think you are greatly overstating the risks for reasons that do not exist.

Bloobock
Bloobock
Nov 23, 2024 11:40 PM
Reply to  sandy

You’re assuming that the actions taken would be evaluated by the authorities as mere speech rather than as voter intimidation. Any situation you could imagine that encouraged citizens not to vote, no matter how benign, could be described as voter intimidation by an official inclined to stop the encouragement… and voter intimidation is most definitely a crime in the US.

I think you give our overlords too much credit for human decency. January 6th was not an insurrection by any stretch of the imagination, but tell that to the people rotting in jail.

sandy
sandy
Nov 24, 2024 12:21 AM
Reply to  Bloobock

They are not decent in any way. But they do have limits. We have the only Constitution on Earth that legally terminates government criminalizing speech. I am a long time protester and know how this goes out on the streets and in courts. There are no imprisonments for speech in the US. They cannot do this here. I totally agree with you that J6 was a party on the Capitol where Capitol Police opened the doors and let people in which then became a trap. There was no insurrection, that’s gfor sure. As any left protester could tell you, if J6 were the left, the lawn would be strewn with bodies before one human hit the steps. Fact. J6 is a fraud. I’ve spoken to people who were there and the few idiots who swung weapons and did provocative property damage and attacked police were provocatuers with FBI inserted everywhere to feed the crazies. But 99% of the people there were normies just out to peacefully protest. However, none of the charges there were for speech. Physically in the building or doing something physical. Not speech. There’s a great difference. No one should ever fear speech in this country. No one.

Bloobock
Bloobock
Nov 23, 2024 11:59 PM
Reply to  sandy

By the way, I’m not arguing with you, I agree with you that endless talking about new instances of the same old problems isn’t just non-productive or boring, at some point it starts to actually hurt the cause. It makes life-and-death crises seem more like weather than tyranny, and it’s one of the second-line tactics of a mature propaganda state like the US: when you can’t prevent the problems from being discussed in the first place, talk incessantly about them on the evening news every night for thirty years.

mgeo
mgeo
Nov 24, 2024 5:35 AM
Reply to  sandy

Your trust in theoretical rights is touching.

US police kill 400-500 innocent residents every year. -mediaroots.org 2013

Camille
Camille
Nov 26, 2024 8:16 PM
Reply to  sandy

? but there is a principle of free speech in the countries of the European Union. There’s no free speech in the US either

Camille
Camille
Nov 26, 2024 9:33 PM
Reply to  sandy

There is no freedom of speech in the USA. They prosecuted Jualin Assange and he isn’t even a US citizen. RT Amercia were effectvely banned. They were excluded from US networks. The federal govt did nothing. THe provincial govt did nothing https://www.uawire.org/russia-today-excluded-from-us-broadcast-networks

sandy
sandy
Nov 26, 2024 10:49 PM
Reply to  Camille

Apparently you don’t live here in the US. Assange is not a citizen and he is accused of espionage. He is a journalist and a citizen would not face what he now faces. You cite high level examples involving military crime and a foreign country. Censorship of any foreign source is to be expected and anytime the military or “national security interests” is involved, law is ignored by the State. What i was talking about is free speech among citizens here, that are not government employees or military which is almost all of the trials deemed espionage. No one should fear speaking their mind here. We have the First Amendment which is stronger protection than anything else anywhere in the world. The repression has gotten worse since the Pentagon Papers where Daniel Ellsberg whistleblew massive systemic and detailed planned corrupt war empire within the establishment, and his espionage charges were dismissed. He as a government employee. But speaking here online, in print and in the streets, cannot be criminalized on civilians in the US. They may arrest you, but it can’t go past arraignment and charges will be dismissed before you get to court. First Amendment protects assembly, speech and redress of grievances. Without this there is no society. Which unfortunately worldwide is more prevalent than not.

Camille
Camille
Nov 27, 2024 3:44 PM
Reply to  sandy

No. You should be able to say the stuff that Assange has said and you can’t. The USA just say taht whatever they don’t want to here is a ‘national security ‘ matter..so there isn’t any free speech. Exactly the sam thing is happening in the EU .They just say that whatherver they don’t want to hear is speech supporting terrorism and they call loads of organisations terrorist organisations even though don’t operate in Europe. So yes Sandy if you want to believe you have free speech in the USA, you keep thinking that. I guess Gary Webb thought he had free speech too. Look what happened to him

sandy
sandy
Nov 28, 2024 4:50 AM
Reply to  Camille

I can say what Assange said and not be arrested. I saw the video which is indisputable and can tell people what’s in it. I’m not excusing US totalitarian disregard for constitution or law. It’s a crime. But individuals can speak to it which is what everyone should be doing in every social opportunity. Grassroots has authority in the US to act autonomously but the engineered fear of reprisal, or whatever throttles people feeling free to communicate. We are free to communicate and if we did it daily all this elite crap would terminate from inability to act against it.

Camille
Camille
Nov 27, 2024 3:46 PM
Reply to  sandy

How can the US have the right to accuse somoene outside of the USA for espionage when it related to activies by the USA outside of the USA? Does that really seem right to you? Non USA citizen owes USA obligations in relation to activities conducted by USA outside of the USA?

sandy
sandy
Nov 28, 2024 4:26 AM
Reply to  Camille

Again. I’m talking individuals. Not journalists or gov’t employees whose rights they do NOT recognize, even though illegally criminalized. Admitted, if one is a journalist, one’s exposure exposes one to the unconstitutional attacks by the State and the deep state. If an employee, whistleblowing is problematic. Granted illegally problematic, a victim of state totalitarianism. We all know these are problems. But speaking among one another, as here, is NOT threatened because it is impossible to police when backed up by the First Amendment in the US. Grassroots debate and discussion is the most powerful counter threat to system totalitarianism and we must continue to exercise it fearlessly.

Camille
Camille
Nov 26, 2024 8:14 PM
Reply to  sandy

Yes, great…EXPAN on it please

antonym
antonym
Nov 22, 2024 1:52 AM

Mob rule is the CCP’s favorite tool: like the “rectification movement”, or the “struggle sessions” during the cultural revolution. Read about it in the Nine Commentaries.

Western mobs are sissies.

thejackalsmark
thejackalsmark
Nov 22, 2024 12:45 AM

At the end of the day the writers of the Constitution were dead set against a democracy and wanted a constitutional republic for reason. A democracy means that if 51% of the people are
conned into going along with whatever it is you’ve proposed then everyone has to put up with it including the 49% who were obviously against it.

underground poet
underground poet
Nov 22, 2024 12:37 AM

Nobody gets it like they want it, nobody.

les online
les online
Nov 22, 2024 12:16 AM

Let’s not forget “The Strategy of Tension”.
https://rogerboyd.substack.com/p/the-oligarch-ruling-class-strategy

Or forget Universe 25, the birth of the idea of 15 Minute Cities
(some cities already have become like mouse utopias).
https://www.theguardian.com/science/2024/nov/21/the-mad-egghead-who-built-a-mouse-utopia-john-b-calhoun

T Greenfield
T Greenfield
Nov 22, 2024 12:00 AM

Intellectualism won’t save us. When a house is on fire you don’t discuss the quality of the water.

Lost in a dark wood
Lost in a dark wood
Nov 22, 2024 6:20 AM
Reply to  T Greenfield

Unless, of course, your real agenda is that you want the house to get burned down. And then you’d quibble about anything and everything!

sandy
sandy
Nov 22, 2024 6:42 PM
Reply to  T Greenfield

Unless the oligarch started the fire.

Godfree Roberts
Godfree Roberts
Nov 21, 2024 11:53 PM

Conflating leadership elections with democracy is silly. Warriors voted directly for their leaders for 40,000 years, yet not one imagined he was living in a democracy. Nor should we.
Western ‘democracies’ are adaptations of slave-owning Athenian republicanism.
“The central point that emerges from our research is that economic elites and organized groups representing business interests have substantial independent impacts on U.S. government policy, while mass-based interest groups and average citizens have little or no independent influence.” http://talkingpointsmemo.com/dc/princeton-scholar-demise-of-democracy-america-tpm-interview

Camille
Camille
Nov 22, 2024 7:58 PM

Any suggestions for a solution plse?

Jonathan
Jonathan
Nov 21, 2024 10:25 PM

In a true democracy every person would vote on every decision. They would vote for high spending on public services, and also for low (probably zero) taxes. So that can’t work.

If you dilute this principle to the point that it can work, it is no longer democracy, just democratic.

My earlier suggestion was to give the public the right to veto any government decision, via a referendum triggered by a petition. Perfectly feasible with today’s technology. Wouldn’t that be the ultimate in checks and balances?

les online
les online
Nov 22, 2024 12:32 AM
Reply to  Jonathan

In a true democracy every person would vote on every decision,
ie, “Should we have another World War ?”

Example:
YES [ ] Lets have a nuclear war, i’m sick of waiting.
NO [ ] I’d rather wait a little longer.

** Here & Now magazine (Glasgow) poster (1980-90s)

Veri Tas
Veri Tas
Nov 21, 2024 9:42 PM

The above article may be directed to the wrong crowd here… We don’t have a mob in the political arena. That should have been made abundantly clear by now.

The Face At The Front Desk Changes, The Corporation Remains The Same
Obama continued and expanded Bush’s most evil policies. Trump continued and expanded Obama’s most evil policies. Biden continued and expanded Trump’s most evil policies. Now Trump is preparing to keep the streak going.

susan mullen
susan mullen
Nov 22, 2024 5:48 AM
Reply to  Veri Tas

If US had “popular vote” for pres. (no Electoral College) a democrat would win every election in a landslide (Calif. decides). Plenty of “Republicans” think this a fine idea too. One of them, Tom Emmer, is currently “a top Republican” in the US House of Representatives. The only solution is for the US to break up into 3 or 4 separate countries.

Nick
Nick
Nov 22, 2024 12:46 PM
Reply to  Veri Tas

Didn’t Trump successfuly oppose new wars in his first term, despite CIA/DoD sabotage? If so, predicting he wants more war is about as convincing as saying he’s Hitler.

tuah
tuah
Nov 21, 2024 9:38 PM

Blast this ripper outside those masonic buildings – globally

[youtube https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AgUPv38KFfc%5DThanks JT

Xavier Delacroix
Xavier Delacroix
Nov 21, 2024 9:26 PM

When you investigate mankind’s power structure, rising above the puppet politicians and presidents, eventually reaching the very highest echelons of TPTB – The Illuminati – then, you can understand, why things are the way they are, and there is nothing superior one can come up with.

EQUANIMITY

hotrod31
hotrod31
Nov 22, 2024 2:10 AM

There’s an old adage which suggests – that when one thinks that they’re beaten, they are.
Have a great day. And, don’t fall for anything anyone else stands for …

Lucius Licinnius
Lucius Licinnius
Nov 22, 2024 9:35 AM

Yes, yes, yes…. The cataclysm. Brrrrr. Did you dig a bunker as well, under that barn you like.to pretend you had built?