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Architecture is always Political – Part One

Simon Elmer

Bank of China, Hong Kong by I. M. Pei

‘We would have brought architecture back to its proper calling, as the art of settlement, in which people build their shelters side by side, and at the same time create the public spaces that are the foundation of a durable community.’
Roger Scruton, ‘The Fabric of the City’ (2018)

Why is it that, after politicians, bankers and lawyers, architects have such a bad reputation among the general public?

From the Left, architects are held in suspicion or outright hostility as the tools of global finance, willing collaborators with corrupt municipal authorities, apologists for the predations of capital. From the Right, if anything, the contempt is even greater, with architects denounced as the avant-garde of a brutalist, hubristic modernism that has stripped our cities and towns of the layers of history and the particularity of place, both of which they have replaced with a homogeneous landscape of concrete, steel and glass.

And why, perhaps just as importantly, do the vast majority of architects appear to be resigned to this animosity, content to bury their heads in the latest gadgets for digital modelling and 3D-printing while the Tower of Babel they have built is everywhere crumbling into dust?

A typical example of this animosity was the criticism of contemporary architecture made by Tucker Carlson, the US conservative political commentator, in an interview in March 2024:

Postmodern architecture…is designed to demoralise and hurt you and destroy your spirit. Buildings that are warm and human and that elevate the human spirit are pro-human; and brutalism, for example, or the I. M. Pei glass boxes that crowd every city in the United States, those are not elevating. What’s the message of working in a cube in a room with a synthetic drop ceiling and drywall on the walls and florescent lighting ahead of you and no privacy at all? The message is really clear. You mean nothing. You are replaceable. You’re a widget in a bin awaiting assembly. You’re just a cog in a machine. You have no value. And everyone kind of ignores this — “Oh, that’s the way building have always been!” No, that’s not true. Architecture, and anything made by human hands, is the purest expression of the society that produced it. They’re a visible and tangible sign of who you are, not just as a person but corporately as a society. And if you live in a place that creates nothing beautiful, and doesn’t provide people with uplifting buildings to live and work in, that’s a very sick and dark society.”

Now, there’s a lot factually wrong with this statement — the architecture of IM Pei, for example, is neither brutalist nor postmodernist — which I imagine a lot of architects would point to in order to ignore Carlson’s bigger point; but this comment was widely circulated on social and mainstream media, and with overwhelming approval and agreement. It’s my impression, formed from multiple sources of public opinion — for of all the arts, architect is the one about which people are most forward in expressing their likes and dislikes — that the vast majority of people in the West, at least, would agree with Carlson’s opinions. And it’s my belief that architects must respond to his criticisms with more than dismissive comments that, for instance, he doesn’t know what he’s talking about or — as everyone who challenges the status quo is described these days — that he’s ‘far-Right’.

I. M. Pei, Fountain Place, 1445 Ross Avenue, Dallas, 1986. Photograph by Michael Barera, 2015.

That said, when conservatives start talking about how ugly modern buildings are it usually means they have their eye on the land on which they’re built — and I quote Tucker Carlson, as I do Roger Scruton for my epigraph, with this caveat. Conservatives never cared about the slum housing in which the working-class lived before modernism, and they don’t care about the aesthetics of where we live now.

In post-war Europe, Soviet Union, China, India, South America and even the United Kingdom, modernist housing brought more people out of rent poverty, unsanitary living conditions and financial dependency on private landlords than any other housing type in history; and compared to this achievement the offended aesthetic sensibilities of middle-class conservatives in twenty-first century USA (or UK) mean something between very little and absolutely nothing.

Architects, moreover, at least in the West, largely stopped designing public housing following the neoliberal revolution of the late 1970s, after which the housing of national populations was increasingly handed over to an increasingly financialised housing market, to property developers understandably devoid of motivation to flood that market with low price, high-quality products, to Design-and-Build contractors who regard architects as an expensive and unnecessary luxury, to speculators looking for a return on the investments into which they turned housing provision, and to the legislation made by industry-lobbied legislatures composed of landlords who assured housing prices kept rising through the successive financial crises they were partly responsible for creating.

But Carlson’s diatribe was about something else, something more than the progressive marginalisation of architects from decisions about the built environment in which we live today. His examples, significantly, are drawn from the architecture of the corporate sector that has homogenised the financial centres of every city in the world. And besides, isn’t architecture about more than just housing?

The short answer to that question is — no.

Across the world, it’s been estimated that we need to build around two billion new homes by the end of this century, most of them in the Global South. Architecture is, first and foremost, about one thing, and that is how to house the global working class in secure and sanitary homes in which they can afford to live. The vanity projects that litter the glossy magazines of the architectural press and to which the numerous prizes of the profession are invariably awarded, are irrelevant to the historical task architecture faces today. The question this poses is how we balance meeting this housing demand against the economic, social, environmental and political costs of doing so.

I say ‘we’, but I am not an architect, and the perception I have formed from outside the profession looking in is that by far the majority of architects regard architecture as a form of public sculpture, their interest in which is restricted to its formal and material qualities, and in which the organic intrusions of the people who work and live in it — Carlson’s ‘widgets in a bin awaiting assembly’ — are a necessary but unwanted distraction. It’s not by chance that, in the architect’s renderings with which they sell their visions to the client, humans are reduced to stick figures viewed from the architect-god’s heavenly point of view.

Part of the purpose of this book is to drag that viewpoint down to ground-level and take a closer look at the consequences of this elevated vision on the people who have to walk and live on its streets. To do so means — has meant for me — revisiting the history of modernist architecture, and asking why and how it has attained its current reviled status not only in the perception of the public — represented, however inaccurately, by Carlson’s criticisms — but also in the statements of those architects who justify its demolition to make way for their own projects, which have universally abandoned modernism’s claims and with them the social and — I would argue — socialist dimension of architecture.

* * *

Walter Gropius, Hansaviertel, Berlin, 1957. Photograph by Andreas Grothe, 2019.

It was in 2014, I think, on what was not my first visit to Berlin but the first in the company of an architect, that we debated the contrasting merits of the Interbau (International Building Exhibition), the showcase of social housing designed by some of the foremost modernist architects — including Le Corbusier, Walter Gropius, Oscar Niemeyer and Alvar Aalto — that opened in West Berlin in 1957, and the Stalinallee (now Karl-Marx-Allee), the showcase of the housing of Soviet (a merger of socialist realist and neo-classical) architecture built in East Berlin between 1952 and 1960. It was only then that I realised that modernism should be judged not by its extraordinary achievements in poetry, literature, painting and theatre — by the works of Eliot, Joyce, Picasso and Brecht — but by its architecture. This was something of a surprise to me, because for the past twenty years or so I had studied and then taught courses in modernism in the discipline of art history, and my focus had very much been on modernist painting at the cost of the achievements of modernist architecture.

That said, the basic premise of modernism — in architecture as in art, literature, poetry and theatre — is the same: that through it the world could be changed for the better — and better, above all, for the common man. No other movement in European art had ever had such a vision, or made such a claim. Setting aside the extravagant assertions made in the numerous manifestos that accompanied and came to characterise modernist movements in art, literature, poetry and theatre, only architecture could possibly hope to realise that claim in practice. And it is by its housing, above all, that modernism must be judged.

Walter Gropius, Siemenstadt housing estate, Berlin, 1931. Photograph by Geraldine Dening, 2018.

My book, Architecture is always Political, is partly about formulating the terms in which that judgement can be made, and why they are so different from the terms in which, over the past forty-five years, the history of modernism has been distorted by the ideology of neoliberalism. But I also want to address why architects have progressively conceded the forum in which these terms were formulated by the architects and theorists of modernism. Even to state as much is to draw attention to the lack of architectural theorists worthy of the name among today’s architects. Contemporary practitioners have produced little more than parroted attacks on the failures of modernism at the behest of developers and municipal authorities, alternating with self-pitying lamentations for their absence of agency and how they have become no more than increasingly overlooked employees of the building industry. And in these complaints I hear the ready-made excuses for the profession’s collaboration and compliance, not only with the building industry but also with the economics and politics driving it.

Hans Sharoun, Panzerkreuzer housing estate, Berlin, 1930. Photograph by Geraldine Dening, 2018.

The architects of modernism, like modernist architects, did not go hat in hand to the developers and politicians of their day and ask them, politely, whether they could have some funding and land to build their personal vision of an art museum. Instead, they created a discourse of modernist architecture, took over the forums in which to promote it, founded the movements in which to disseminate it, and set up the practices in which to realise it. And they did so not in the service of corporate capitalism but in response to the historical necessity of housing the working class of the world. Their answers were developed, initially, after the Great War, in the small-scale experiments in modernist architecture by which they proposed to transform the cities of nineteenth-century Europe; and then, after the Second World War, in the large-scale reconstruction of a devastated Europe that created a model of housing provision that would eventually be exported across the world — with the inevitable compromise of its architectural vision and modernist principles.

Roland Korn, Marzahn housing estate, Berlin, 1970s. Photograph by Simon Elmer, 2016.

The ideology of neoliberalism that formed governments in the West in the 1980s and went on to colonise the rest of the world has been so intent on attacking and rejecting this discourse — with post-modern architects eager to demonstrate their readiness to inhabit the space this ideology has cleared for the profits of capitalists — that the profession has forgotten that modernism has not been replaced with a discourse of postmodern architecture that never advanced beyond a Mannerist rehash of the rappel à l’ordre, but with the terminology of finance capitalism. Architects have yielded their discipline — both its practices and its discourse — to a financial sector that cares nothing about housing and nothing about making the world a better place — except for those who speak its language. Indeed, the readiness with which architects collaborate in the denigration of the achievements and hopes of modernist architecture comes across as ill-disguised excuses for their own complicity in the decline of the profession and discipline into the public contempt in which it basks today. Without underestimating the task confronting architecture in reversing this decline, part of the purpose of this book is to contribute, in some small way, to formulating the terms on which architects can begin to take back their discipline, the discourse in which its future will be formulated, and the practices in which it can reclaim its duties. No-one — perhaps not even architects themselves — will deny that it is past time they did so.

What are those terms? They are not formalist ones, composed of the rhapsodic paeans to materials and forms with which our architectural journals attempt to distract themselves from the content and function of the latest oligarch-funded museum, oil-sheikh-funded stadium or corporate-funded office tower. Nor are they composed of the bad faith with which architects complicit in the neoliberalisation of housing provision attempt to excuse their complicity with the tainted vocabulary of ‘supply and demand’, ‘regeneration’, ‘affordable housing’, ‘shared ownership’, ‘mixed tenure’, ‘community-led development’, ‘cross subsidisation’ and all the other lies with which the current housing crisis has been manufactured. Nor are they the terms of neoliberalism itself, which affects to believe — sincerely or not — that there is no alternative to a financialised housing market, and that the best architects can do is design formally innovative vanity projects for the corporate world in the hope that, in exchange, it will toss them a few coins to build an art pavilion on the wasteland where once we lived.

The terms of a future architecture that can take root even in the unyielding terrain of the present are material ones, in which housing is built in order to meet its use-value as homes for the residents who need them, and not their exchange-value for the investors who own them; in which land is used in order to meet public demand for communal amenities — whether that’s housing or parks or public infrastructure — not to increase the profits of developers from private investment; in which policy is made to turn housing into a human need accessible by law and by price to everyone, and not to encourage speculation in a commodity inflated by global investment and then protect it from losses when the bubble bursts.

The terms in which architecture can reclaim its duties, in short, are those of a socialist architecture, about which I have written elsewhere. This book is not about those terms. Rather, it documents and demonstrates why they alone can drag us from the impasse architecture has reached and the increasingly dire consequences it is having across the built environment. Unfortunately, contemporary architecture is as far from adopting these terms as it has, perhaps, ever been, distracted as it is by the latest ideology to come off the dream factory of capitalism to shore up its falling profits.

* * *

In May 2024 I attended a conference held in the Department of Architecture of one of the world’s most highly-ranked universities. The keynote speaker and guest of honour was the Undersecretary of Housing in the municipal government, and he led us through a schematic and not entirely sincere account of his ministry’s attempts to develop and adapt different housing ‘typologies’ — as architects misdescribe them — to the changing housing needs of the city since the 1950s, when the first low-cost housing was built by the housing authority. Although he said nothing about the residents whose homes and communities had been or were being demolished and broken up to make way for successive developments in ever higher towers and densities on the city’s remaining land, he appeared sincere in his concern with improving both residential and communal facilities and spaces for the city’s residents. And as a guest of the department, he clearly expected to hear of new innovations and ideas to that end from the room full of architects at the city’s highest-ranked university, to whose extremely generous salaries the people of that city contributed through their taxes and therefore — I imagine he would argue, and I would agree with him — have a right to receive something in return.

Instead, over the next two hours and half-a-dozen presentations he was presented with something resembling artists’ slide shows of their recent projects. These included a digitally-modelled bridge for a rural village assembled using local construction techniques; a 3D-printed concrete ground floor for a disassembled and reassembled house, also in a rural village; an architectural solution to water access for another rural village; permanent extensions to the tents of nomadic tribes cleared off their resources-rich land into urban conurbations; and a Daniel Libeskind pastiche built on the corner of an urban street from which unauthorised vendors had been evicted.

Afterwards, the conference mediator asked each presenter to describe their ‘dream project’. At the time I thought it a silly question, but the responses changed my mind. One architect responded that his dream project was one without the limitations imposed by the client; another said her dream project was one in which she could express herself like an artist; another said one in which he would make a profit. To be fair, one said it was the limitations of architecture in the real world that he was interested in, rather than the dream of escaping them; but not one of the architects said their dream project was to build, for example, housing in which the people who paid their salaries could afford to live comfortably, securely, affordably and communally. They regarded themselves, rather, as artists, and their art, which just happened to be architecture, was about them and their artistic vision.

By then the Undersecretary for Housing had left — he said — for a pressing engagement; but although he was polite and said he had enjoyed the presentations, I could imagine him returning to his office with a shake of his head and the conviction that the Department of Architecture in the city’s premier university had exactly nothing to offer in the way of solutions to the problems facing his office. Architects like to complain — they did so in the course of the conference — that only two percent of residential buildings are designed by architects. Based on this conference, it’s not hard to understand why. Even more than their own professional vanity and social myopia, it is with the missed opportunity afforded by such rare and fleeting meetings between architects and executive power that this conference was guilty.

I don’t mean to single the department or the architects out for special censure. In the decade during which I’ve been writing about architecture I’ve come to realise that this is very much the norm in the attitudes of architects to their profession and practice. Indeed, I would say that this attitude is a prerequisite for the professional architect, whether one focused exclusively on architectural practice or one also engaged in academic study. In this book, I say a lot about where this attitude comes from, how it is cultivated by the teaching of the discipline, developed in its institutions and practices, entrenched in housing policy and legislation, and about who and what it serves.

As an example of this cultivation, the conference was called ‘Architecture and Culture’, yet the word ‘culture’ was used only a handful of times over the two hours, and then usually in the phrase ‘material culture’. This is used in architectural discourse to refer to the materials of a particular culture, such as, as it was in these presentations, the ethnic culture of a people or tribe. As a former art historian, however, I had attended the conference hoping and expecting to hear a discussion about the local and global cultural contexts in which architecture is being made today — perhaps something like a response to the accusations made against the profession by Tucker Carlson. And, in a way, I did. But instead the word ‘culture’ was replaced by another word that has come to substitute for it in all cultural discussions across the West, and not only about architecture. That word was, and is, ‘sustainable’.

It didn’t surprise me that all but one of the five architects used the word ‘sustainable’ in their presentations, most of them several times. One referred to her own work as a ‘sustainable practice’ because it used locally-sourced materials; another referred to the immensely complex digital models he used to build a pavilion as a ‘sustainable mode of construction’ — although how the villagers were meant to access this technology he didn’t say; another described the natural air-flow he had designed in a youth-correction facility deliberately deprived of air-conditioning by its Catholic administrators as a ‘sustainable solution’. One — the designer of the tent extensions — made his entire presentation about sustainability, with a full complement of references to ‘sustainable models of urban growth’, a ‘sustainable and decarbonised future’, and a warning about ‘unsustainable homes exposed to climate risk’.

Now, this is, of course, the discourse of environmental fundamentalism to which every architect, it would appear, has unquestioningly subscribed, and which, it might be argued, is the dominant cultural discourse in the Western world. No architectural practice — ours included — can go a week without receiving an email inviting them to ‘Unlock Net Zero’. As this conference demonstrated, this means that, by couching their brief proposals in the discourse of climate ‘crisis’, architects are more likely to receive funding, even if that means building parametric pavilions so complex they must be cut by lasers for impoverished villagers who could probably rebuild half their village for the cost of such art projects.

Even worse than such middle-class indifference to the housing needs of the working class is that the discourse of environmental fundamentalism — which, as this conference exemplified, is the dominant culture of our epoch — is not the locally-sourced, culturally-indigenous, materially-sustainable, community-led (etc.) discourse they imagine or pretend it to be.

On the contrary, environmentalism, as it is spoken today, is a corporate discourse. Developed by the most powerful companies in the world behind the facade of transnational technocracies like the United Nations’ Intergovernmental Panel for Climate Change, the discourse of environmental catastrophe is imposed by national governments via the funding and revenue streams through which public institutions and private companies alike receive the financial ‘incentives’ to repeat its rhetoric at every level of our society.

When architects, as they do today, position every aspect of their practice and profession in relation to what they have been convinced — through the same financial incentives — is the overwhelming exigency of imminent climate catastrophe, they become not merely the instruments of global capital they have been for the last forty-five years and more but also, in addition, collaborators in the corporate mechanisms of Sustainable Development Goals, Carbon Credits, Environmental, Social and corporate Governance Criteria, and all the other apparatuses of the globalist coup that has been carried out behind the facade of environmentalism.

These new criteria, by which every architect who wants a commission must now abide, have as little bearing on the amount of suddenly world-ending CO2 in the atmosphere as yet another architect’s pavilion built from sustainably-sourced materials will have on the changing surface temperature of the globe.

Even if we accept the figures provided by the sellers of climate catastrophe, on which there is no consensus outside corporate-funded United Nations agencies like the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change, we might reflect that, since CO2 makes up just 0.04% of the earth’s atmosphere; and carbon emissions produced by humans make up 33% of that, or 0.0132% of the atmosphere; and carbon emissions produced in the UK, for example, make up 1% of that, or 0.000132% of the atmosphere; and the building industry makes up 25% of carbon emission in the UK; then this means that stopping all building in the UK, not only all construction but the sourcing, manufacture, transportation and disposal of all materials used in construction, which would mean ceasing the construction of every house, hospital, school, road, railway and every other element of public infrastructure in the sixth largest economy in the world, would effect 0.000033% of the earth’s atmosphere, or 0.33 parts per million. If, as geologists who measure the carbon content of the atmosphere over billions of years have argued, humans only contribute to 3% of carbon emissions, the final figure is 0.000003% of the atmosphere, or 0.03 parts per million.

Either way, it is on such absurdities that architects have abandoned the task of housing 2 billion people and committed themselves, instead, to the chimera of Net Zero, which if realised would impoverish, starve and kill many more people than that.

What the contractual criteria of environmental fundamentalism do, rather, is increase the control that global corporations and the technocratic organisations of world governance they hide behind have over not only us but the provision of our needs — which includes housing. Neoliberalism turned those needs into a market and that market into a stock exchange for financial speculation by global capital, ensuring the crisis of housing affordability that has become a global phenomenon; but the stakeholder capitalism being forced upon us now by the discourse, institutions, programmes, legislation, agendas, treaties and technologies of environmental fundamentalism is increasing that control to an extent that we still cannot envisage, but which deserves the description ‘totalitarian’.

Architecture, perhaps, is playing no more than its usual subservient role in this globalist coup — no different, in agency, from the one it has played over the last forty-five years of neoliberalism. Indeed, as one of the architects at the conference said to me afterwards when I raised these issues with him, if architects are to be anything more than witnesses to their own replacement by Design-and-Build projects and now Artificial Intelligence, they first have to win the funding to do so, and that means speaking the discourse of environmental fundamentalism to those with their hands on the levers of power, even if doing so means making their grip stronger.

This is not the only point on which I disagree with the arguments with which architects justify their roles as tools of finance, collaborators with power, apologists for capital. Most of my book, Architecture is always Political, is about why I disagree; and in part two of this article I will look at the role of architects in their most inexcusable guise as the dress-makers of finance capitalism. This is, admittedly, the most extreme depths to which the profession has fallen, but both the egoism and the servitude of this role tells us something about where architecture is now.

Simon Elmer is the author of Architecture is Always Political: A Communist History (2024) from whose preface this article is taken. His recent books include The Great Replacement: Conspiracy Theory or Immigration Policy? (2024), The Great Reset: Biopolitics for Stakeholder Capitalism (2023), and The Road to Fascism: For a Critique of the Global Biosecurity State (2022).

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Paul
Paul
Dec 8, 2024 6:08 PM

A lower-impact home which requires less energy tends to give its inhabitants a much better quality of life. So nothing wrong with that.
However, as someone whose profession necessarily involves architects, it is depressing how gullible and NPC like most of them are. I cannot bear to look at LinkedIn half the time, which is increasingly becoming like Facebook, and which I only use for work opportunities. These architects really think they are something important, and yet they really quite average in their ability to see what’s going on.

NickM
NickM
Dec 8, 2024 6:52 AM

< Architects… in the West…stopped designing public housing following the neoliberal revolution of the late 1970s, after which the … national populations was increasingly handed over to an increasingly financialised housing market >

I remember the difference between two sets of Prime Ministers in those two eras. MacMillan (Conservative) and Wilson (Labour) in “the thirty glorious years” after WW2 competed to show who could build more houses for the people. Came the 80s with its Gospel of Greed, with Thatcher (Conservative) and B.Liar (Liebore) competing to privatize public housing and show how they were “utterly relaxed about becoming filthy rich.”

I don’t think Bauhaus is brutal, its shiny hives have just grown too big. And of course, like all the products of modern civilization, it has “forgotten God and thinks everything is possible”.

“Men and bees alike live in hives. But the hives of bees show that bees are insects, while the hives of humankind show that Man was made in the image of God.” — GK Chesterton, What’s Wrong with the World.

p.s.
p.s.
Dec 8, 2024 6:11 AM

Quite presentable archive footage, mainly from Russian sources,
largely unseen in the West. Activate English subtitles (available):

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CJ0hFh0NDqE

Description:

“The Battle of Stalingrad ended 80 years ago: 200 days – over a million dead. Today, war is raging again in Europe. We see pictures from Stalingrad and also think about the present. The voices of those who experienced Stalingrad speak from letters and diaries – from civilians and soldiers, from Russians and Germans. In some cases, the last thing that remains of a person. The documentary was nominated for the Grimme Prize 2024.

The voices of that time are testimonies that were not written retrospectively. They are not a work of memory with all its weaknesses, embellishments and distortions. They are notes, often scribbles, created in the situation, unembellished and written down without fear of possible consequences – and in part the last memory of a lost human life.

The narrative begins in the summer of 1942, when the Wehrmacht and its allies march on Stalingrad, and continues until the surrender of the 6th Army at the beginning of February 1943. On the German side, soldiers: at the beginning still pompous conquerors, at the end despondent, freezing, starving young men who know that they are doomed to die. On the Soviet side, military and party strategists (including the later head of state Nikita Khrushchev), but above all civilians seeking shelter in shrapnel trenches and ruins.

Over a million people died in the 200 days of the Battle of Stalingrad. For the Soviet Union, the steely will to win was forged here, which from then on carried the Red Army from victory to victory until it was finally able to hoist the Red Flag on the Reichstag.”

The author/director:

“Artem Demenok was born in 1962 in Vladivostok. He is a renowned writer, director, and film historian. He studied at the Moscow film academy VGIK (All-Union State Institute of Cinematography).

Since 1990, he has been based in Germany, where he has established a prolific career as a film critic, historian, and filmmaker. His filmography includes a wide range of documentaries and TV movies, often focusing on historical and cultural themes, which often offer personal and individual perspectives on major historical events.

Demenok’s work often explores historical events, particularly those related to Russia and Germany, and he is known for his in-depth research and insightful storytelling. His films have been produced in collaboration with various German television networks and have received critical acclaim for their historical depth and narrative quality.

Currently, Demenok continues to work as a writer and director, contributing to the rich cultural and historical landscape of German and international documentary filmmaking.”

p.s.
p.s.
Dec 8, 2024 2:40 PM
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Add: The Vasily Grossman quoted in the
documentary about Stalingrad is this bol-
shevist propaganda Jew. Dat’s gross, man.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vasily_Grossman
https://holocaustencyclopedia.com/historical-person/grossman-vasily/

In addition, the communist thugs Ulbricht (builder of
the inner-German death border), Weinert and Bredel
are quoted completely uncritically, as if they and Gross-
man were some kind of “trustworthy contemporaries”.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Walter_Ulbricht
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Erich_Weinert
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Willi_Bredel

Two new interviews with Rudolf and
one interesting article by his editor.
https://codoh.com/library/document/semi-revisionism-is-dead/
https://www.brighteon.com/0b8f824b-c066-4419-bb9f-41b72b958af0
https://www.brighteon.com/6dc59f38-0d32-45d4-b1f0-c2eeef420573

Bernie Madoff
Bernie Madoff
Dec 8, 2024 8:56 PM
Reply to  p.s.

P.S. Right now – shortly before “X-mas” – it is especially important to show mercifulness! So please outdo each other in this! It is precisely our most mortal enemies who most need not only our dear money, but also our personal forgiveness! This alone proves who is a truly worthy disciple of the Lord God! AMEN

Howard
Howard
Dec 7, 2024 4:57 PM

All architecture, modern, post-modern, anti-modern, classical – whatever – suffers from the same inevitable flaw: it is much easier to destroy than to build. Just look at Gaza: 2000 lb. bombs do wonders for clearing the landscape – which is just what the Israelis ordered. And Gaza is only a 25 mile by 5 mile stretch of land. The one absolute of human development: we can tear ’em down quick as you can put ’em up. So maybe the Japanese have the right idea: build ’em out of paper.

Erik Nielsen.
Erik Nielsen.
Dec 7, 2024 12:57 PM

I am from the working class, and everytime I see someone from the upper class or even the middle class, das “wildgewordener kleinbürger”, I get pessed.

I beat their children up, scratch their cars, pess in their coffee and colas, until they have learned to serve and give ME and the working class, what we have still not got, what they have already got, before us.

Remember the tone folks, the tone! When you are talking to me or someone from the working class! The tone.

les online
les online
Dec 7, 2024 4:09 PM
Reply to  Erik Nielsen.

You’re working class all right – cant spell ‘pissed’ properly !

Rhys Jaggar
Rhys Jaggar
Dec 7, 2024 10:24 AM

Having been born into the middle classes and having been regularly beaten up by violent members of the working class, I have to say that I don’t see the whole world’s needs as ‘serving the working class’.

That does not mean I am not in favour of restoring the concept of ‘council house building’ in the UK, since any basic study of such properties prove them to be far cheaper to build, of far longer lifespan than analagous private sector constructions around the millennium.

I look at the absolute ugliness of the new housing developments and sense that the sole reason to live there is that your entire spiritual being has been desensitised to natural beauty.

I also tend to think that far too many formulaic homes are designed by men who have zero interest in cooking properly, since their kitchens are almost invariably designed to be stressful (too small, little to no prep space) whereas there is far too much space assigned to ‘vegging out’.

You don’t have to design Hampton Court Palace to start your designs of a family home from a proper kitchen/dining/living space. 38sqm is more than enough to secure the major social space of the home.

People tend to get very pernickitty if I suggest that when you are unconscious, you probably aren’t aware of the size of the bedroom, so unless the room serves other specific functions, the primary function should be sleeping, storing clothes and having access to washing/sanitary facilities. It’s also non-controversial that, if proper sunlight is only really accessible from the first floor (due to excessive vegetative growth to the South), then having the bedrooms downstairs makes a lot more sense than spending waking hours in a dank, dreary set of rooms with insufficient light. It’s long since been proven that inadequate light inside a home is a health hazard, albeit one far less serious than smoking, snorting coke, drinking to excess etc.

I have little time for people saying that everyone has to have their accommodation reduced to the lowest common denominator.

I equally agree that, if public housing provision is carried out to a significant extent, then being cost-conscious is usually a good idea. In this day and age without cheap power, making new homes well insulated is being cost-conscious. It’s also perfectly feasible to use time-honoured architectural principles to create pleasing architectural designs on a budget.

What I will say, however, is this: the author of this article must prove he is not a hypocrite of the first order by living the rest of his life in the most lifeless, yet functional architecture going.

It is not for him to reduce architecture to ‘cheap and ugly’ and then expect to live in stunning buildings using classical architectural designs.

suzaloop
suzaloop
Dec 7, 2024 9:24 AM

I donated when Catt asked for assistance and as a Off Guardian member I think it is very disrespectful to have this charlatan articles back on the site when he called the members anti semetic.

Rolling Rock
Rolling Rock
Dec 7, 2024 9:39 AM
Reply to  suzaloop

I have no dog in this fight, since I didn’t comment on that article.

However, a cynic, or a realist, may think that the author has returned to OffG to plug his new book about architecture only released a week or so ago.

Safe to assume OffG readers and commenters money is as good as any.

Johnny
Johnny
Dec 7, 2024 8:37 AM

Let’s face it; Architecture is almost always about egos.

The egos of those who own or commission the building/s the egos of the architect and his or her business partners and even the egos of the builders.

Yep, a big ego trip for artistically frustrated twats.

And we get left with the damage.

Rhys Jaggar
Rhys Jaggar
Dec 7, 2024 10:11 AM
Reply to  Johnny

A gross generalisation and I suggest you distinguish between individual private homes commissioned by those who go on to live in them; private housing schemes delivered by for-profit Big Build; city skyscrapers; public buildings primarily built for employment; and master-planned New towns/cities.

I do hope your hatred of ego extends to you never having sex with men, women, animals nor inanimate blown-up dolls. Sex is always about ego, after all.

Has humanity been left with any damage due to your ego breeding, by any chance????

Johnny
Johnny
Dec 7, 2024 12:27 PM
Reply to  Rhys Jaggar

Ouch.
Touched a nerve.

Johnny
Johnny
Dec 7, 2024 10:12 PM
Reply to  Johnny

Having lived in a solar passive, straw clay, owner built, mostly recycled timber framed house for more than twenty years I am fully aware of good design Rhys.
It is the glass and concrete ‘erections’ that I am offended by. Prisons for pen pushers.

PS. My blow up doll is feeling deflated. Any suggestions?

Johnny
Johnny
Dec 7, 2024 10:20 PM
Reply to  Johnny

BTW.
Sex might be about ego, but Lovemaking, in its true meaning, has no ego attached at all. Lovemaking is a selfless act. It is the closest humans can get to divinity.

mgeo
mgeo
Dec 8, 2024 5:21 AM
Reply to  Johnny

Such construction is unlikely to work without (a) land on which to build (b) some minimum distance from neighbours (c) health to maintain the home.

The global plan being pushed in our faces is high-density urban slavery. This includes slavery to pay for domestic food, utilities and essential transport, as determined by the Free Market®. Design makes the home unlivable even in normal weather beyond ~1hour, without complex utilities.

Contrast our “uncivilized” past: the small local community participated voluntarily in construction, celebration, funerals and disaster recovery.

Johnny
Johnny
Dec 8, 2024 6:13 AM
Reply to  mgeo

There are intentional communities out there, but of course most Folks, especially the young, would rather be ‘where the action is’.

Horses for courses I suppose.

Christine
Christine
Dec 7, 2024 7:27 AM

I think the criticism levelled by Tucker Carlson and others myself included is because of the “effect” this modern ‘soviet-style’ architecture has on one’s psyche. It is brutalist in its impact, ugly and devoid of anything but function. This seems to be the criteria nowadays, as I heard one art student explain that they were taught that the world is ugly, brutal and they must reflect that. All seems to be designed to be an assault on the soul of man.

Edwige
Edwige
Dec 7, 2024 7:19 AM

The imbecile Frank Gehry totally finished construction on that whole pile of LA tin cans before it occurred to him to check the acoustics. In other words, he was building A CONCERT HALL without giving one thought to acoustics. Architects a la lanternes.

entitlement
entitlement
Dec 7, 2024 6:17 AM

OMG how low can this blog go.
having this crybaby back on the blog who got upset then retracted his article because members DARE not did have the same views as him show how woke right guardian the off guardian has become.

tonyopmoc
tonyopmoc
Dec 7, 2024 3:42 AM

les online
les online
Dec 7, 2024 3:29 AM

Architects will be much in demand for drawing the blueprints for
S.M.A.R.T. 15-Minute Cities…
How their plans will manage to prevent the results of Universe 25
i’d like to hear…

The Universe 25 Mouse Experiment (6:08):

my ways are not theirs
my ways are not theirs
Dec 7, 2024 12:16 AM

I really like the phrase “environmental fundamentalism”!

that Dallas skyscraper will give me nightmares! it’s like the vision the boy has in Dickens’s “Tale of Two Cities”, when he imagines he’s being chased by a giant angry coffin!

it seems like insurance companies also have a big part to play in the future of housing, since nothing will be built that they refuse to issue a policy for, and their standards and best practice requirements are decided in a strictly democracy-free environment

Captain Birdheart
Captain Birdheart
Dec 7, 2024 12:16 AM

Hey, good to see some concern for buildings here.
You don’t hear much about ‘paradigm shifts’ these days. Was that a 1980’s/90’s thing ?. Don’t know.
That’s what we need and may still get.
If somebody told me back then, you, yourself, have to evaluate everything you have been told, by everybody, parents, school, etc how would that have gone for a young person ?
But you sense something fundamental is ‘not right’ about this world.
The history has been tampered, big style.
All you can do it seems, is make your own.

Here is a 1hr talking vid about some guy doing that,
World Computer pt.1 – [external memory: the indescribable formation interface]
Nuts, I know.

Sorry about my idiot comments last week.

les online
les online
Dec 6, 2024 11:59 PM

Can there be Inclusivity without Exclusivity ?
And if everyone is ‘In’ – then i’m out. I can tolerate only so much !

(Inclusivity, Definition: We’re all in This together)…

sandy
sandy
Dec 6, 2024 11:21 PM

Architecture, like every discipline in this era, is captured by capitalist profit priorities. The politicians and their government, the economy and every activity, has been absconded and funneled through the 1% gauntlet of profit-for-the-rich-acceptability or is punished out of existence. Note the architect saying, do as they demand or die. We are all there. They dictate. Consequently nothing is done to provide for the social needs of Humanity. The trick we need to figure out is how we withdraw from their coliseums of forced tribute, and create a world beneficial to society, not the rich.

https://duckduckgo.com/?t=ftsa&q=Dymaxion+house+photos&iax=images&ia=images

Bucky Fuller designed a mass produced space age aluminum 2 bedroom home that weighed only 3000 lbs and cost $6500 in 1945. Shipped free in an aluminum tube to your building site. Contrary to what is posted on the net about it never going into production because Bucky wanted a better design, is the fact it never went into production because the investor backed out on him at the last moment. Only 2 versions were ever built. Fuller’s Design Science approach to problem solving is the ideal way for society to design and build the future Humanity would like to have. If we made the decisions instead of the capitalist, for instance publicly funding a Dymaxion Home critical path to implementation project, we would have and can have a beneficial future for all.

nelly
nelly
Dec 7, 2024 4:18 AM
Reply to  sandy

gotta love a mention of R. Buckminster Fuller… I think it says “call me trim tab” on his headstone…, but what do I know.

Rolling Rock
Rolling Rock
Dec 7, 2024 5:46 AM
Reply to  sandy

Shipping containers are getting a lot of publicity and are have been a trendy home idea for the last few years.. Even being marketed for off-grid living.

Lots of articles showing interior designed ones in great locations. It would seem in order to gain public acceptance of them.

https://www.housedigest.com/650598/shipping-container-home-designs-you-have-to-see-to-believe/

Containers could literally be the planned pack ‘n’ stack mega cities of the future. Reminds me of the ‘stacks’ which were caravans in the movie ‘Ready Player One’ – a whole lot of predictive programming in that movie.

sandy
sandy
Dec 8, 2024 12:11 AM
Reply to  Rolling Rock

I’m not a fan of pack and stack. We don’t need smaller and taller. We need smarter integration with nature so we all get a slice of Earth’s grace, which there is plenty of.

mgeo
mgeo
Dec 7, 2024 10:50 AM
Reply to  sandy

Thanks. But remember the dogma and taste, especially in USA: quantity rules. More of anything including size, wealth, ostentation, consumption, body parts, etc. is better.

sandy
sandy
Dec 8, 2024 12:08 AM
Reply to  mgeo

The books Natural Capitalism, Cradle to Cradle and The Turning Point are great reference for design science working from the desired end product downstream and working backwards upstream to modify inputs to achieve the desired result. Achitects make more when they build more crap into their buildings. These are silent subsidies rarely negated by what should be client demanded incentives to maximumize efficiency with minimal materials. As long as clients don’t push architects to design, they will pile on corporate crap for the client and profit for them. For instance that’s why passive solar like existed 100 years ago, skylights in industrial buildings, have been replace by head generating flat opaque roofs and rows of massive air conditioning units. Huge lighting and air conditioning electricity bills replacing free sunlight and the easy venting of rising heat. Stupid and regressive, but it makes them money. Prioritizing profit will destroy human survivability on Earth.

Veri Tas
Veri Tas
Dec 6, 2024 11:15 PM

On the evening of May 30, 1984, the then Prince Charles told leading architects assembled at Hampton Court to celebrate the 150th anniversary of the Royal Institute of British Architects how exactly he felt about architecture, modern and past. At last, he claimed, people were “beginning to see that it is possible, and important in human terms, to respect old buildings, street plans and traditional scales at the same time not to feel guilty about a preference for facades, ornaments and soft materials.”

A few bombs of accusation were also hurled at his unsuspecting audience. Many planners and architects had “consistently ignored the feelings and wishes of the mass of ordinary people in this country.” They were the destroyers and rebuilders, not the rehabilitators.

His preference was for “community architecture”, one that enabled “ordinary” people to express their views about how things should be done, breaking the “monopoly” architects had on taste, style and planning. He took the Mansion House Square project of the great modernist Mies van der Rohe to build an office tower in the City of London as one example of a program that could have done with “a community approach”.

With a philistine’s sentiment, the Prince of Wales let his prejudices be known.

“It would be a tragedy if the character and skyline of our capital city were to be further ruined and St. Paul’s dwarfed by yet another giant glass stump better suited to downtown Chicago than the City of London.”

I tend to agree.

Veri Tas
Veri Tas
Dec 6, 2024 11:14 PM

On the evening of May 30, 1984, the then Prince Charles told leading architects assembled at Hampton Court to celebrate the 150th anniversary of the Royal Institute of British Architects how exactly he felt about architecture, modern and past. At last, he claimed, people were “beginning to see that it is possible, and important in human terms, to respect old buildings, street plans and traditional scales at the same time not to feel guilty about a preference for facades, ornaments and soft materials.”

A few bombs of accusation were also hurled at his unsuspecting audience. Many planners and architects had “consistently ignored the feelings and wishes of the mass of ordinary people in this country.” They were the destroyers and rebuilders, not the rehabilitators.

His preference was for “community architecture”, one that enabled “ordinary” people to express their views about how things should be done, breaking the “monopoly” architects had on taste, style and planning. He took the Mansion House Square project of the great modernist Mies van der Rohe to build an office tower in the City of London as one example of a program that could have done with “a community approach”.

With a philistine’s sentiment, the Prince of Wales let his prejudices be known.

“It would be a tragedy if the character and skyline of our capital city were to be further ruined and St. Paul’s dwarfed by yet another giant glass stump better suited to downtown Chicago than the City of London.”

Hugh O'Neill
Hugh O'Neill
Dec 6, 2024 10:57 PM

Both architecture AND demolition are political – as we know from 9/11

Rolling Rock
Rolling Rock
Dec 6, 2024 10:26 PM

That said, when conservatives start talking about how ugly modern buildings are it usually means they have their eye on the land on which they’re built 

Really?

No, it is simply anyone with an eye for beauty and traditional materials, construction techniques and design can see that much of modern architecture is souless and bland, especially those projects which are not landmark ones. Even Charlie boy when he was just a Prince made a speech over 30 years ago about “modern carbuncles”.

……we debated the contrasting merits of the Interbau (International Building Exhibition), the showcase of social housing designed by some of the foremost modernist architects — including Le Corbusier……

It was Le Corbusier’s stark concrete designs that were the template for the social housing tower block building craze in Britain from 1950s to 1970s. However, that vision failed to stand the test of time with thousands of high rise blocks and low rise estates having been demolished since due to social problems, shody construction and poor design.

Ironically, the VIctorian and Edwardian slums that these modernist blocks were supposed to replace, though in some cases also demolished, in many other cases were bought up cheaply and renovated. These still stand today and some are worth millions of pounds. Those in Notting Hill, Ladbroke Grove and West Kensington in London being good examples.

The housing architecture of the Georgian, Victorian and Edwardian period is still in high demand in Britain today and command large price premiums over modern homes, especially where the period features have been retained.

Then there is the beauty of classical architecture going back through centuries designed using the golden ratio based on the Fibonacci sequence which is both eye pleasing and uplifting.

In a 100 years time will anyone be marvelling at the aesthetics of 20th century/early 21st century architecture?

Johnny
Johnny
Dec 6, 2024 10:57 PM
Reply to  Rolling Rock

In a hundred years time will there be anyone to marvel at anything?

Edwige
Edwige
Dec 7, 2024 7:10 AM
Reply to  Rolling Rock

That said.

Johnny
Johnny
Dec 6, 2024 10:08 PM
Hemlockfen
Hemlockfen
Dec 6, 2024 8:01 PM

WOW! As I began to doze I decided to skim forward until I saw numbers. Then I was energized to go back and read it all. And I will. Just not now.

Billy Bob Thornton’s character in the new series Landman pulled one of those off in the last episode. Sucked me back in. The prospect of him “getting busy” with a young pretty evolved into a tour of a wind farm in which he described the numbers of a wind turbine. It will take twenty years for a turbine to recoup the cost of constructing it and by that time it will be obsolete. Each one requires 1/3rd of an acre of concrete that is 30 ft deep. That’s a lot of concrete that will never produce any benefit. And then there is the added cost of getting rid of them. I was surprised that Paramount let that go.

Even better yet was when he said, “don’t get me started on solar panels”. Me either. The hay field down the road just doubled the number of solar panels. Hate those fuckers with with a passion. And the turbines: All those dead migratory birds. We are such dumb asses….

My mind kept migrating back to “15 minute cities”. Combine that with the concept that we will own nothing and be happy. Klaus must be proud that one of his proteges, Tyrant Trudeau, is in the middle of designing one for Canada. What will they look like and how will they function as every race is forcefully jammed into them randomly? There will be no excuses for leaving out of fear of dropping property values. All I can think of is the social aspects of the famous Cabrini Green and Robert Taylor homes in Chicago. Rampant drugs, murders and fear. I can’t wait for the new and improved experiment. Weird that the residents of those failed projects were eventually distributed throughout semi rural cities across the State of Illinois. Again, dumb asses. They must of been thinking something like: We will fix those racist bastards that live in the country!

Ming boggling that it has gotten this far.

John Goss
John Goss
Dec 6, 2024 7:43 PM

Simon Elmer is the author of Architecture is Always Political: A Communist History (1924) from whose preface this article is taken.”

I’m forever making annoying little bleeps like that. Did it in a comment on the last thread. Did not matter. It went into the “pending” folder.

John Goss
John Goss
Dec 6, 2024 7:43 PM
Reply to  John Goss

Good luck with the book by the way.

John Goss
John Goss
Dec 6, 2024 11:27 PM
Reply to  John Goss

We all know he meant 2024. Don’t we?

George Mc
George Mc
Dec 6, 2024 7:38 PM

Simon did this to me:

@SimonElmer2022 has blocked you

You can view public posts from @SimonElmer2022, but you are blocked from engaging with them. You also cannot follow or message @SimonElmer2022.

 
I don’t know why. But it seems he has done it to everyone else too since his X account now consists entirely of his own posts and very occasionally items he reposts from others. In other words, no-one can get a word in. So the purpose of his X account is obscure.
 
He has also decided to play the race/culture card himself by delivering gratuitous “premonitions” like this:

Since we already celebrate the genital mutilation of our own children under the orthodoxies of transgenderism, I don’t see why we won’t soon pass laws authorising Muslims to mutilate the genitalia of their daughters.

 
Of course, the parasite class divides and rules. And they use race. And they use religion. And I have no doubt they are funding “Islamofascists” to play the same bogey B movie villains as various convenient Nazi groups primed on the nasties in Spielberg movies.
 
But why is Simon playing into this?
 

Tom Larsen
Tom Larsen
Dec 7, 2024 1:11 AM
Reply to  George Mc

He may be shadow banned. I noticed though that he’s no longer part of ASH. I have heard that he has moved to Hong Kong. As to the second quote, I think he’s being ironic, pointing out the hypocrisy of Western liberals.

entitlement
entitlement
Dec 7, 2024 6:25 AM
Reply to  Tom Larsen

Crybaby emlo is his truther name as he retracted an article and wrote some big woke reason article on how off guardian commentators dare not agree with his little self entitlement of a view and then called them anti s for having there own opinion on history.
Shame on OD for printing the article and retracting the article.
mind you it fitted a MIC narrative so many including CCTF think it was a deliberate set up to push an agenda.

Jenner
Jenner
Dec 7, 2024 7:56 AM
Reply to  George Mc

Yes I can see why Elmer blocks your sort. Byw, the race/culture card can be played only if there are real and preexisting tensions/differences with which to play it. In this case, differences between White indigenous and country-shopping welfare migrants.

And spare me the usual liberal sackcloth and ashes trope that if “we”, (so Tommy Robinson and Jacob Rees-Mogg are one unit? News to me) had not bombed them from Morocco to Kabul with US-made bombs, all those Iraqis and Libyans and Syrians would stay at home.

Because your UK and EU/US liberal in his cosy leafy suburb is quite happy to subject his own Brexiteer, Daily Mail oiks to “bigoted” conflicts over housing, health services, transport, State schools and non-bourgeois jobs.

But then you will deny Rotherham and Telford on your deathbed.

Take the quote marks off “premonitions” and drop the “gratuitous”, because UK and other law already recognises protected minorities. Just don’t circumcise your own daughter, that would be cultural appropriation by a White oikophobe, assuming you have not graduated to being one of the Global Majority, irony. off.

Female genital mutilation goes up in previously Western countries in line with immi-vasion from East Africa, where FGM is prevalent.

That might be a quibble with Elmer, that FGM is apparently not Muslim as such but regional.

Conversely, the defeat of Richard D Hall at a court working for MI5/6 does seem to show that your comment about Islamofascists can be correct: strategia di tensione it was in Italy in the 70s.

George Mc
George Mc
Dec 7, 2024 11:10 AM
Reply to  Jenner

the race/culture card can be played only if there are real and preexisting tensions/differences with which to play it.

What bizarre logic. And I suppose the covid terror epic card could only be played if there really was a planet threatening virus?

differences between White indigenous and country-shopping welfare migrants.

By this point, it isn’t only the whites who are “indigenous” in the UK. And “country-shopping welfare migrants” conforms to the very inflammatory manipulations that our Elmer boy is indulging in.

And spare me the usual liberal sackcloth and ashes trope that if “we”, (so Tommy Robinson and Jacob Rees-Mogg are one unit? News to me) had not bombed them from Morocco to Kabul with US-made bombs, all those Iraqis and Libyans and Syrians would stay at home.

Well sure, we rugged Brits would obviously stay home even if our houses were reduced to ashes and white phosphorous was being poured over our schools!

I don’t “deny Rotherham” etc. but I am suspicious of all narratives that conveniently play into the new bogey man paradigm that started when the US shored up the Mujahadeen in preparation for the “Islamofascists” to become the new bogeyman “Commies”.

irony. off.

Glad you said that. I couldn’t make any sense of what came before it.  

Female genital mutilation along with the male variant is doing quite nicely in our “scientifically enlightened” West under the Transgender theology. But then again we are just so ahead of these backward Arab savages!
 

Edwige
Edwige
Dec 6, 2024 7:22 PM

Modern architecture is ugly and ungainly and depressing. That said, modern architecture is ugly and ungainly and depressing

les online
les online
Dec 6, 2024 7:54 PM
Reply to  Edwige

And ‘daunting’… It’s gigantism has one message, to remind you that
you are Small & Insignificant !!
And to impress on us They Have The Power !!

Hemlockfen
Hemlockfen
Dec 6, 2024 8:03 PM
Reply to  Edwige

Must have gone back and read it a second time.

Martha
Martha
Dec 6, 2024 10:48 PM
Reply to  Edwige

Have you seen Michelle Gibson’s new doc Old World Order, about old world architecture and its obliteration, to make room for the ugly present architecture? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9xg2fpVluRo&pp=ygUebWljaGVsbCBnaWJzb24gb2xkIHdvcmxkIG9yZGVy

Edwige
Edwige
Dec 7, 2024 7:26 AM
Reply to  Martha

My god is that absurd. Sorry, But it’s ridiculous. I like conspiracies, but this goes too far. It’s like only completely idiots could swallow it. Which I guess there are plenty of.

Martha
Martha
Dec 7, 2024 2:18 PM
Reply to  Edwige

The idea that cowboys built magnificent buildings and star forts in the mid-1800s in the American west, with dirt roads, horse & buggies defies logic, for example. There are walls in NYC and in Montana that are megalithic and unexplainable with current historical stories. I’m curious. You should be too.