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Voluntary Democracy – Part 1

Iain Davis

I propose a new sociopolitical model that I call Voluntary Democracy. You may reasonably ask how I became arrogant enough to even contemplate doing such a thing.

I am no one or everyone, depending on your perspective. I am a very average bloke with some limited life experience, a modicum of knowledge, and sufficient interest to talk and write about the topic we are about to discuss.

I do not profess to have all the answers or even know what most of the questions are. I am just about as flaky as it is possible for a man to be and am undeserving of your trust which is among the reasons I ask you not to place any in me.

I am merely proposing an idea. My only hope is that you consider it. If I’m lucky perhaps you will question it and, if I’m very fortunate, start expanding on it.

We are going discuss some of the problems with representative democracy which is the political model of state preferred by most people I will refer to a statists. I’ll call this model simply the state.

I was born and live in the the state called the United Kingdom (UK). Nobody ever asked me if I wanted to be ruled by a king or his government, but that is the nature of the state. It’s not a choice to be a subject of the state. Though statists claim it is.

Therefore, I will use the current alleged constitutional monarchy, the claimed basis for the UK state, as my test case.

What Democracy Is and What It Is Not

Democracy is a political system first formally established in ancient Greece by Cleisthenes (c. 570–500 BCE). Cleisthenes introduced “sortition”—which is the random selection of citizens drawn by lot. Under his reforms, the Boule (executive) proposed legislation, and the Ecclesia (legislature) would then debate the proposed statute laws and vote on their enactment.

The citizen members of the Boule and the Ecclesia were selected by sortition. Once their work was done, the Boule and the Ecclesia were disbanded. The people would return to their everyday lives. The next time the Boule and the Ecclesia were needed, sortition would again be used and a different group of people selected.

Sortition was also used to form juries, whose citizen members sat in the Dikasteria (courts). The jury in the Dikasteria represented the highest law in the land. Any Dikasteria could overturn the enactments of the Ecclesia. This political system enabled the people to create legislation (statute law) as well as law derived from precedent (case law).

Crucially, Cleisthenes empowered the Dikasteria (the law courts) to overrule (annul) any law that was found to be unjust in a jury-led trial. There were no judges. Magistrates were merely administrators for the court. If the defendant was found guilty, both the judgement (ruling) and the nature of the punishment (sentence) were decided by the citizen jurors.

If the full application of the law (including legislation) did not serve justice, the jury could annul it. The defendant may have technically contravened the law but could still be found not guilty if the jury believed the defendant had acted honourably, without any intent to cause harm or loss (mens rea).

In such a circumstance, it was the law, not the accused, that would be found at fault. Any flawed legislation would be wiped from the statute scrolls and the Boule and the Ecclesia would have to amend or abolish it in light of the Dikasteria’s ruling.

The word “democracy” (demokratia) derives from “demos” (people) and “kratos” (power). Literally translated, it means “people power.” Cleisthenes proposed a governance system whereby the people were sovereign by virtue of exercising the rule of law through jury-led trials. This, and only this, is “democracy” and it has nothing to do with voting or electing anyone.

So-called “representative democracy” is not democracy. In representative democracies the people are permitted to select representatives who make all decisions for them for the next few years. During their rule, the representatives enforce their collective will upon the people.

Representative democracy is based upon the people handing all their decision making power over to a tiny clique of privileged rulers. It is the antithesis of democracy.

We are allowed to elect the legislature, which we call Parliament (Ecclesia). The dominant faction, usually formed from the most popular mob—chosen by those who bothered to vote—then forms the executive. We call this the government (Boule).

Depending on how dominant the ruling mob is—determined by their relative number of parliamentary seats—the executive (Boule or government) can either easily compel the legislature (Ecclesia) to adopt its desired policies (legislation) or engage in some horsetrading with their “opposition” to amend their legislation (policy diktat) prior to its almost inevitable adoption. “Opposition” is a misleading term because the people who actually rule control both the government and the so-called opposition.

The current British government, despite only securing votes from a small minority of the population, enjoys a massive parliamentary majority. The government (Boule) can “whip” its own representative members of Parliament (MP’s) to push through pretty much any policy it likes without bothering to consult anybody.

In the UK’s representative democracy, while statists think they are electing people who will represent their views and prioritise addressing their concerns, Parliament declares itself sovereign over all of the people. Statists actually select their own rulers—of sorts.

Parliament’s claim to sovereignty is false. The British have a codified, written constitution that makes the people sovereign. That doesn’t matter, however, to government as long as the population continues to assume Parliament’s claim is valid.

The advantage of “representative democracy,” from the perspective of the oligarchs who actually rule, is that it allows them to rule in perpetuity. Through lobbying, political party and campaign funding, government partnerships, corruption, coercion and orders issued to puppet MP’s, the vast bulk of parliamentarians represent only oligarchs’ views and prioritise oligarchs’ concerns. Oligarchs aren’t overly concerned about who wins elections.

In the UK’s representative democracy the courts (Dikestaria) are led by the Judiciary. As a Common Law jurisdiction, juries in the UK can still technically “annul” legislation. The judiciary “instructs” juries but never informs them they can annul. Consequently, British juries remain oblivious of their own rights and powers. The judiciary really doesn’t like jury trials in any event, and is working with the government to do away with them if they can.

The state supposedly operates on the comically misnamed separation of powers model. Everyone who lives and works in the UK knows this is total bunk.

The three branches of government comprise of the executive (government or Boule) and the legislature (Parliament or Ecclesia) which together form a single, oligarch controlled rule-making institution. The third branch, the judiciary (courts or Dikesteria), forces the people to comply with the rules and punishes those who don’t. It rarely, if ever, rules against the oligarchs’ rule-making institution and is completely divorced from anything the rest of us might consider justice. The only people who don’t have to obey dictatorial rule are the oligarchs who are above all the rules they impose on everyone else, often because they can buy themselves out of having to comply with any.

This, then, is the state.

Introducing Voluntary Democracy

The problem with “representative democracies” is that they always resolve in kakistocracies ruled by oligarchs. In other words, dictatorships. The people are merely given the illusion of choice through anointment ceremonies called elections where they are invited to crown the next gaggle of kakistocrats who will rule them on behalf of the oligarchs.

I suggest the solution to this is Voluntary Democracy.

Voluntary democracy wouldn’t necessitate reinventing the wheel. The three branches of governance would remain and the process of proposing, enacting, and ruling on legislation would continue.

The executive would be replaced with a body formed of citizens who would be randomly selected by sortition from the whole population and would serve on a temporary or perhaps issue by issue basis. We could call this the Boule or something else. How about “voluntary-executive” perhaps? Let’s use “the Volexec.”

The legislature would be a larger body—selected and serving in the same way—who would then deliberate on and enact legislation proposed by the executive. Again, we could stick with Ecclesia, but let’s use “the Volegis.”

The biggest procedural difference in a voluntary democracy, other than the selection process, would be the abolition of bench trials. All justice would be dispensed by jurors in jury led trials and judges would be replaced by conveners whose only role would be to facilitate proceedings.

The most important difference would be that all juries would be sovereign. Juries and only juries would represent the supreme rule of law in the whole jurisdiction and their only concern would be to ensure justice was served. We shall call these voluntary Dikasteria “the Volcourts.”

Through jury-led trials, these sortition selected groups of citizens—jurors— sitting in Volcourts across the land, would have the united and annexed power to annul any and all legislation and set case precedents wherever they deemed it necessary. In the event of annulment, the Volexec and the Volegis would need to either amend or abolish the faulty legislation accordingly.

There would be no government and no resultant state in a voluntary democracy. Voluntary societies would be jurisdictions without rulers, not jurisdictions without rules. Nor would voluntary democracy necessitate the existence of nations, though people could form them voluntarily and call themselves whatever they liked. Therefore, as we proceed to Part 2 and move away from the UK based example to broader considerations, I won’t reference the concept of nations but rather use “jurisdictions.”

Voluntary democratic jurisdiction won’t be perfect and they won’t solve all our problems. Nonetheless, I think they could resolve many of the injustices we currently suffer. Not least of all by effectively removing oligarchs’ political power.

To realise the promise of a voluntary democracy we would all need to work through a major philosophical shift. Our fundamental belief and value systems would need to change. For example, obedience would no longer be a virtue but rather a failing. Initially, individuals would have to start by learning to think differently. Ultimately, if we wanted to operate voluntary democracies at the macro scale, all of us would need to develop and adopt a new political philosophy. Statists, who form the majority, all currently share essentially one political philosophy so there is no reason why voluntaryists couldn’t do the same and become the majority themselves. We’ll expand on this in Part 3.

So I hope some will be sufficiently intrigued to read Part 2. If not, thanks for voluntarily reading this article.

Iain Davis is an independent journalist a researcher from the UK. You can read more of Iain’s work at his blog IainDavis.com (Formerly InThisTogether) or follow him on Twitter or subscribe to his SubStack. His book Pseudopandemic, is now available, in both in kindle and paperback, from Amazon and other sellers. You can claim a free copy of his new book “The Manchester Attack” by subscribing to his newsletter.

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Voltara
Voltara
Dec 13, 2024 1:25 AM

Monarchy is the natural system of government for humanity. The 20th century experiment with democracy has been a disaster in every respect.

Christopher
Christopher
Dec 12, 2024 3:44 PM

For many years now I have been trying to figure out how a better and more just system could look like. But what is just? Is it when the majority (of mainly stupid people) decides about something they have been “nudged” into? So I pondered about the necessity of education, true education that teaches to think by oneself, not to beleive anything before exploring a lot of facts. Then again, this takes time, at least a generation and who will be the teachers, and with what “wisdom” will the children and people be indoctrinated by this new teachers? My vaguely formulated “final” solution is based on the old fashioned thought, that all is about the money. Thus a state, any county or community in a more just system is or should not to be allowed to spend public money above a certain sum, let´s say 1 million Euro without consulting each adult citizen (adult age should be raised to at least 30 or so 😀 ). Things would slow down for sure, which might be a good thing, and people would have to start think things over again, which means public discussions. Of course I am aware of certain obstacles and ill defined areas. But I like the idea of people spending public money to answer to the public.

Floris
Floris
Dec 12, 2024 3:33 PM

As others have pointed out, an alternative form of government would need power in order to be anything more than a thought experiment, and there is simply no way to seize that power anymore. There hasn’t been since the invention of the internet. Convenience — Riley Wagaman’s favorite subject — is an unbreakable chain, and it’s been wrapped around humanity like a spider-silk sarcophagus for decades. Our only realistic chance of escape is an asteroid strike, and that is what a realistic person should pray for before a mass-awakening.

One could have been forgiven for imagining, before the advent of what is now referred to as “AI,” that the internet could be taken back from the oligarchs who bought it up and locked it down — that it could return to its glorious, fictional roots as an anarchic experiment in all-to-all connectivity… created by DARPA. It was a sad dream, but it wasn’t a zero-probability outcome. “AI” had no such mythically immaculate conception; it was born and explicitly presented to the world as a censorship and control tool, a black box of constantly mutating, unattributed, uneditable propaganda served up by a calmly rational god-like personality who only wants the best for us and seems to be genuinely worried about our mental health.

Humans — mammals, animals, life-forms — cannot resist convenience. The sudden preponderance of “reality” shows about rugged opt-outs fleeing into the northern Canadian wilderness is not evidence of a growing rejection of convenience, it’s a coordinated propaganda assault intended to underline the impossibility of escape. Yes, you can survive two nights in a hot-tent in -20C weather– if you’re twenty-six-years-old and sponsored by several dozen gear manufacturers– but then you return to the city with your memory cards to edit the footage, after a stop at the hospital to get your little toes amputated. Humans were not built to survive alone, and thus cannot escape alone. We could only escape collectively, but convenience prevents any and all collective rejections of modernity.

“AI” will not be resisted. We’ll all lose our jobs to it (if we haven’t already), and we’ll all outsource our lower-order cognitive functions to it. The young — those with sufficient energy and hormonal drive to revolt against the technocrats forcing this nightmare upon us — will waste their potential exploring the fringes of the technology’s capabilities, trying (in a despair that seems like a creative mania) to find their personal power somewhere in the rich man’s machine. The old — those with the perspective to see that they long ago traded their energy for disappearing shekels and now have only “perspective” to show for it — will see the disaster that “AI” represents, but will be too tired not to abstain, and will become hopelessly dependent on it.

Luddism, anarcho-primitivism, true civilization-destroying Kaczynskian anti-tech revolution — this is the only possible escape route, but nobody will take it. Voluntary democracy is worth trying, but it won’t be tried. The best form of government is in our genes, as it is in every social animal’s. God (or evolution) gave us the only truly balanced governmental primitives and shaped our souls around them: love, hatred, compassion, anger, trust, fear, inclusion exile, childbirth and murder. It’s not possible to out-think God (or evolution) using the brain that He (or it) engineered, and there’s no reason to try. Co-existence was always a solved problem. We simply rejected the solution, went looking for something better in the void, and found technology. That’s the end of story.

my ways are not theirs
my ways are not theirs
Dec 12, 2024 10:37 PM
Reply to  Floris

why so glum? the asteroid will come, it’s already on its way, in one form or another, and will smash this latest Tower of Babel to smithereens

mgeo
mgeo
Dec 13, 2024 4:53 AM
Reply to  Floris

The rulers have always trotted out excuses for incompetence, blunder or ravening greed. AI has been creating outrages for a while, in policing, courts, loans, intake of employees, wars. It will further simplify the deflection of responsibility, e.g., lack of feedback.

The supreme vampires are literally insane, and have never been able to restrain themselves. The most desperate victims have been, and are, reacting as they must. There are various news report demonstrating this. Read them with your blinkers off.

Floris
Floris
Dec 13, 2024 3:23 PM
Reply to  mgeo

Good point. Biden was the terminal stage of our overlords’ experiment with patently blameless idiots installed as front-men. There’s really nowhere left to go with that scam after a senile script-reader who literally can’t locomote unless tugged by an aide. The public has received and absorbed the intended message: the buck stops here, but there’s nobody home so don’t bother calling.

People still sometimes wonder, “How can the collective will of a nation be decoupled from the individual will of the people who compose it, and be unrelated to their conscious or subconscious desires, except insofar as it mostly seems to contradict them?”

No human voice will ever answer, but the whisper from the void says, “I dunno, man, I didn’t do it. How ’bout… it’s like quantum mechanics — it’s true because you don’t understand it? Or maybe like COVID-19 — It’s true because it can’t be observed?”

AI will be a bold, refreshing new direction in the terminal political scam: “Of the people, by the people… w-wait… there are people?” Our new god-in-a-box knows only what They told it, and assumes that what They told it is all there is to know. The generation in primary school now will be trained in the same way by the box itself, and come to adulthood completely unaware of the Ur-“they” which preexisted and trained the box.

Human values
Human values
Dec 12, 2024 1:15 PM

Voluntary democracy means voluntary servitude.

Trying to make this evil system known as democracy better can never succeed because democracy is fundamentally a failure.

Democracy in every form is slavery of people by the people who rule.

The true lesson we learn from ancient democracy is that it killed the wisest man, Socrates.

That’s really stupid. It’s also to teach us the real danger in letting other people make decisions for other people.

Those who make decisions for others are the owners of those who have to obey the decision-makers. So it’s slavery. It is a mental construct that is not good for anyone. It necessarily creates two classes of people. It creates divisions. So it creates eternal conflict. War.

As we already know what is right and what is wrong, there’s no need for any organization to create laws and punishments.

Big Al
Big Al
Dec 12, 2024 3:21 PM
Reply to  Human values

So, nobody making decisions is the best course?

Paul
Paul
Dec 12, 2024 9:06 PM
Reply to  Big Al

I don’t need man-made laws to make decisions. Do you? I decide what’s right for me without assholes morons and simpletons threatening me. I recognise in some things it’s good to band together. We are free to do that too.

Big Al
Big Al
Dec 13, 2024 4:11 AM
Reply to  Paul

So complete anarchy with no rules, no government, anything goes? You’re a little more trusting in people than I am.

Paul
Paul
Dec 13, 2024 6:16 AM
Reply to  Big Al

Anything less just gives you more or the same. All is futile talk, if one is not prepared to live freely.
By the way there is one whose rules I live by – God.

Big Al
Big Al
Dec 14, 2024 12:49 AM
Reply to  Paul

Who’s God?

Paul
Paul
Dec 14, 2024 9:57 PM
Reply to  Big Al

Read the Bible.

mgeo
mgeo
Dec 13, 2024 10:34 AM
Reply to  Human values

One of the charges against Socrates was that he was “corrupting the youth”. This meant nothing but violation of the overlords’ limitations (blinkers). Now, we imagine that we have progressed in “civilization”, but the taboos and control over reality remain tight. E.g., (a) covid and covid jab (b) abortion, the biggest killer.
https://www.unz.com/aanglin/france-tv-station-fined-for-referring-to-abortion-as-the-worlds-leading-cause-of-death/

Edwige
Edwige
Dec 12, 2024 11:20 AM

“It may be that the era of pure representative democracy is coming to an end”.

That was of course Peter Madelson. Beware anything he appears to agree with. He said it was being replaced with “plebiscites, focus groups, lobbies, citizens’ movements and the internet”. Barely a week goes past without the Fraud finding some way to push something like citizens’ juries. It should be noticed how these, where they exist currently, invariably endorse elite agendas.

Representative democracy has been thoroughly infiltrated, subverted and controlled. So can these alternatives – and they have been e.g. blatantly astro-turfed “citizens’ movements”.

Tackling the external form of democracy without addressing this is useless. The power of intelligence agencies and secret societies (but I repeat myself) is a more fundamental issue – as is the quality of the citizenry.

Rolling Rock
Rolling Rock
Dec 12, 2024 12:06 PM
Reply to  Edwige

Absolutely.

The controllers predicted ahead of time the public disgust and apathy with representative democracy. Low voter turnout was the clue, both nationally and locally.

The communitarian agenda using citizens assemblies has been heavily used to promote Agenda 21 (for the 21st century) along with Agenda 2030. All of this started in the Britain with David Cameron’s ‘Big Society’ before going worldwide.

Rather than government getting involved directly, NGOs and charities do the heavy lifting along with infiltrated so-called grassroots movements. Beware of any group calling itself grassroots. If it was not an astroturf movement from the outset it soon would be if it had any traction and was representing ordinary people against the agendas.

The idea it would seem was to create a whole new level of ‘democracy’, giving the public the impression that they have a voice in these local citizen forums but in reality are steering mechanisms to direct public opinion to the controllers pre-determined outcomes. It is all about manufacturing consent using the Delphi method as developed by the Rand Corporation to steer outcomes to a pre-defined consensus without the majority knowing that they have been hoodwinked.

https://www.rand.org/topics/delphi-method.html

Any new form of voluntary democracy, though in theory laudable, would require cleaning house of layers and layers of embedded quislings, infiltrators and change agents throughout the public institutions and the private and third sector (NGO) ones that work alongside them. No mean feat.

CBL
CBL
Dec 12, 2024 9:20 PM
Reply to  Rolling Rock

Yeah right, no mean feat to clear that junk from the self-perpetuating system. So the only option really is to disconnect from that system…somehow!

mgeo
mgeo
Dec 13, 2024 4:58 AM
Reply to  Rolling Rock

So, did “Big Society” replace “No Such Thing As Society”?

Rhys Jaggar
Rhys Jaggar
Dec 12, 2024 10:14 AM

Selecting the legislature does sound like it is peculiarly amenable to corruption, Mr Davis. It would need a really robust set of checks and balances so that oligarchs, multinationals etc couldn’t just select their dupes by another method. As you say, I’m sure they don’t care how the legislature is selected, they just care about their own interests.

However, being pragmatic about this ,what needs to happen is the elimination of the over-populated crowds of lawyers and career politicians currently festing in POW. There are no scientists nor honest doctors capable of giving Chris Whitty a really good grilling, how many engineers are they to give road transport policy the benefit of 20 years of direct field experience?

Where are the nurses, the porters, the GPs, able to scrutinise primary care and aspects of hospital medicine?

Where are the farmers to explain how to ensure that UK is self-sufficient in food?

Of course, due to the universal levels of trotters in the proverbial trough, large numbers of these groups tend to have sob stories to tell. It’s important that other members of society provide a sense of balance….

I think that the judiciary will be the easiest area for Voluntary Democracy to work, although even there, I think it is likely that different juries might reach different conclusions when presented with very similar evidence. So revoking a law on one ‘not guilty’ may not be practical – it might be simpler to retain the law with some sensible exceptions?

Finally one of the things that one does need to think about where ‘Voluntary Democracy’ is concerned is whether you need different legislatures for local/regional/national/international policy.

Farmers might be best suited to the first three of those, whereas those that trade internationally may bring more insight to the last.

As you said, this is an emerging concept.

I do wonder if the Security Services will need to be abolished before this could be possible – they do consider themselves way above the law, especially above politicians and they have had contempt for international law for generations.

mgeo
mgeo
Dec 12, 2024 7:44 AM

The oligarchy consists of
.- business and industry executives representing the very wealthiest
.- loyal or subverted government officials, invited for their usefulness.

The change proposed here must first be tried out on a small scale. An important function of the oligarchy is to eliminate such incipient threats, through its thug-spy agencies or a frontal attack by enforcers.

mgeo
mgeo
Dec 12, 2024 7:47 AM
Reply to  mgeo

An important aim of political propaganda is insisting that the current distribution of power is the best or most practical.

hello
hello
Dec 12, 2024 4:40 AM

Just listened through Singaporean Depress
Mutt fan channel. Lot effort in vids. Gore’s
The Big Muff (1981) too stretched, but pre-
cision analog sound generators preserved.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BMJbwQ_UtQk

Four Depeche Mode albums were recorded in
Germany. As a German, I confess: the most in-
ferior IMHO. I generally think that everything
that came after A Broken Frame was garbage.

Only halfway acceptable remix of this
junk band is of course a German one.

Pete
Pete
Dec 12, 2024 3:19 AM

antonym
antonym
Dec 12, 2024 3:02 AM

Those revered Anthenians Greeks were electing for one city. Women had no voting rights at all; slavery was common in Athens and everywhere around. Different times, not ideal too: Socrates was forced to drink poison in 399 B.C.E.

Mostly Plato was onto something more true earlier with his Cave allegory and people being addicted to their chains and shadow seeing truths. His wish for a philosopher king over demo-crazy was also of higher caliber. Not only are they the most wise, but they are also virtuous and selfless. To combat corruption, Plato’s Socrates suggests that the rulers would live simply and communally. Contrary to societal values at the time, Socrates suggests that sex should not be a factor in deciding who should rule, so women as well as men can rule.

Edwige
Edwige
Dec 12, 2024 11:10 AM
Reply to  antonym

Pity Plato’s recipe for children was a totalitarian’s wet dream.

my ways are not theirs
my ways are not theirs
Dec 12, 2024 10:44 PM
Reply to  antonym

nor, it seems, was Socrates necessarily the martyr his disciples make him out to be, since he might have been involved in some treasonous conspiracies aimed at the overthrow of those in power

antonym
antonym
Dec 13, 2024 7:50 AM
Reply to  antonym

So, looking at a leaders lifestyle can tell you a lot already….

tonyopmoc
tonyopmoc
Dec 12, 2024 3:00 AM

So how do we challenge The Religionists The Wokesters . The Malthusians and The Highly Professional BrainWashers/Nudgers The Net Zero Lunatics – all believing total nonsense that has little if any bearing on Physics / Maths or Physical Reality. None of this is Science and does not have any relationship to basic Morality or Sustainability

They are trying to Impoverish / Starve / Freeze and Jab us To Death, and they are succeeding and hardly anyone complains. Sheep to The Slaughter

“Neil Oliver Interviews Edward Dowd – They’ve created a monster!!!”

https://youtu.be/4GVG_w7-xsE

tonyopmoc
tonyopmoc
Dec 12, 2024 2:27 AM

Yes, I am a fan of the Greek origins of Democracy, even election via random vote, if you show the slightest interest of wanting to tell people what to do….but the vast majority of people do not want to be Government Authoritarians they just want to get rid of the stupid twats who are.

Lulu
Lulu
Dec 12, 2024 2:07 AM

Excellent suggestions and sound rationale, Iain, thank you for (hopefully) getting the ball rolling.
So refreshing to read this piece and generally sense a growing move among ‘the aware’ toward practical solutions, after so long analysing, rehashing and agonising over the events of the past few years.

Totally agree that a change in philosophy will be necessary, with obedience being disdained. Considering how ‘the obedient’ will likely soon be (cough!) ‘out of commission’ to a greater or lesser degree, leaving those with critical thinking skills and awareness as the majority, and hugely supportive of a FAIR and JUST sociopolitical model.

So-far-so-good re. your ideas revealed in Part 1 – certainly looking forward to parts 2 & 3!

my ways are not theirs
my ways are not theirs
Dec 12, 2024 1:44 AM

nur die allerdümmsten Kälber wählen ihre Schlächter selber

vera
vera
Dec 12, 2024 1:43 AM

Iain, imagine that such a govt structure could be imposed upon an island (within a larger kingdom) that has bee governed by a local mafia. The king said, do it this way. So these voluntary councils or juries are convened accordingly. Then the mafia who hold the real power run circles around them. Having a better system is not enough. You need to account for the ways and flows of power also. Looking forward to the next installment.

Iain Davis
Iain Davis
Dec 13, 2024 12:38 PM
Reply to  vera

I couldn’t agree more.

les online
les online
Dec 12, 2024 12:52 AM

The Head Choppers who brough Freedom & Democracy (TM) to Syria
are going about their business of chopping off heads of Opponents to
Democracy & Freedom (TM) – but our local corporate propaganda media
(aka – msm) arent reporting any of it, probable “to protect the Children”

tonyopmoc
tonyopmoc
Dec 12, 2024 1:49 AM
Reply to  les online

Most of the head chopping videos promoted, by the various CIA/MI6 MOSSAD spooks about 10-15 years ago were fakes. The Girl promoting them from her Studio in the USA, did other video stuff too. The bloke who ran The Syrian Observatory for Human Rights (also known as SOHRArabic: المرصد السوري لحقوق الإنسان), founded in May 2006, also ran a dry cleaning shop – a clothing store “in a bleak English city” – may have been Coventry in or close.

I initially pretty much discredited Rami Abdulrahman – I thought probably working or paid for by British spooks, CIA and controlled Press – but some of his reports turned out to be extremely accurate.;

Its extremely difficult to try and work out what will happen in Syria Next, but I hope Syrians can reclaim their own Country; Grow their Own Food; to Feed Themselves; and use their own Oil to keep themselves warm, and drive their own cars..

And Tell All Their INVADERS eg The Americans Stealing Their Oil (but there are loads of them) to Leave Them Alone and Go Home

Syria should be for Syrians.

Give Peace a Chance

les online
les online
Dec 12, 2024 12:45 AM

The graphic reminds me of having a show of hands during
assembly when i was a schoolboy… Any grease, grime or
semen on our unwashed hands** got us The Cuts…
** In those days “Cleanliness was next to Godliness” – us
Catholics werent allowed into Heaven if we had Dirty Hands !

Big Al
Big Al
Dec 12, 2024 12:18 AM

I like the old adage, “to solve a problem, you first have to acknowledge its existence”? So what exactly is the problem? We’d have to agree or have some kind of consensus on what the problem is, which in this case, in my opinion, is the fact that almost all representative political systems are controlled and corrupted by the rich, or the “oligarchs” as the author puts it. And that’s only getting worse as the rich get richer. It’s not like its new, people were saying it when I was growing up over 50 years ago, they were saying it 100 years ago, and they’ve been saying it since Aristotle and before. It’s actually kind of simple. We used to have a saying that isn’t said as much nowadays, ‘money talks, bullshit walks”. But maybe for most people it isn’t a problem. Maybe most people just think that’s the way it is and always will be. Or they like it that way.

I’m don’t know how it can be done. Maybe it’s something that can eventually happen when things go from bad to worse, but I don’t know. I just read that Elon Musk has passed the 400 billion mark, on his way to being a trillionaire. And most people don’t even blink. They were openly talking about how many millions and millions the billionaires poured into the last US election and it wasn’t even an issue, just accepted as a matter of fact part of the process. There certainly aren’t any congressional (people’s representatives) hearings on the role of money in the political system. And now Trump is filling his administration with fellow billionaires and assorted rich people. If we can’t get past that one, I don’t know how we can ever have a discussion about different systems. Not in the U.S. anyway. Probably not in our lifetimes.

It’s like, we have a problem because the rich control everything and we can’t do anything about it because the rich control everything.

Captain Birdheart
Captain Birdheart
Dec 12, 2024 1:42 AM
Reply to  Big Al

As long as people believe
space is real
that is how long elon is real
who has been there
not controlled ?
I see the amazing stars
ergo
space is real

Johnny
Johnny
Dec 12, 2024 9:26 AM
Reply to  Big Al

400 billion!
He might soon be invited into the Rothschild’s inner sanctum.

Still, that’s petty cash to them.

Captain Birdheart
Captain Birdheart
Dec 11, 2024 11:17 PM

Time for a tune, it’s apt, Apt !

Adam & The Ants – Prince Charming

True ants got the first album, I was late, only getting the second when it came out, this is from the third, final album.

Johnny
Johnny
Dec 11, 2024 11:12 PM

Anarchism, in other words.
• Rules WITHOUT Rulers.
• A voluntary non hierarchical society.

There are four mountains to cross first.
• The authoritarians who rule now.
• Their Forces; the military and police Forces.
• The rigged monetary system.
• The trained and taught ignorance of the masses.

Everest looks easy.

Johnny
Johnny
Dec 11, 2024 11:32 PM
Reply to  Johnny
Tom Larsen
Tom Larsen
Dec 12, 2024 12:21 AM
Reply to  Johnny

Indeed. How about we take a real world example and apply it to Iain’s concept for a new society: Ukraine. First, years of destabilization conducted by the CIA and its assets, then, they foment a color revolution where the democratically elected president is overthrown by the CIA and a mercenary army that they hired and then install puppet government. Then ruling class forces start a proxy war against their direct neighbor and a large section of Ukraine that are native Russian speakers. All topped off with 24/7 propaganda war.

Why should we entertain this exercise? Well, if the-powers-that-shouldn’t-be won’t countenance a tiny island country like Cuba to go its own way (whatever we think of them), why should we expect the PTB to let sections of its own population to do the same thing?

So, apply the Ukraine scenario above to what ever piece of real estate in the Imperial Core you want to “liberate” with his new voluntaryist system and detail how you’d fend off such a sustained attack?

Johnny
Johnny
Dec 12, 2024 7:11 AM
Reply to  Tom Larsen

It might be possible to preempt an attack by waging a propaganda war on the would be attackers. Hit em where it hurts:

• Attacking their motives for a colour revolution and explaining the advantages of a new system to as many people as possible.
• Undermining their lame reasons for attacking a viable and fairer system.
• Showing historical precedents of better systems.
• Telling as many people as possible, via the Net, how they’ve been screwed for thousands of years.

Yeah, it’s a dream, but we’ve gotta start somewhere.

Lucius Licinius
Lucius Licinius
Dec 12, 2024 8:48 AM
Reply to  Johnny

Explain it to whom? The idiots are not listening.

Johnny
Johnny
Dec 12, 2024 9:17 AM

Gotta use the Coca Cola technique;

Repetition, repetition, repetition.
Capitalschism $UCK$.
OLIGARCHS $UCK.
WAR $UCK$.

Human values
Human values
Dec 12, 2024 12:59 PM
Reply to  Johnny

Repetition is the method of advertising and propaganda. It’s very effective to make people believe in something. But does Coca-Cola really add life? Is it the real thing? Does it make people enjoy their thirst?

Democracy has been advertised even more than Coke. Like it would be the best thing ever!

But what is democracy? It is being ruled by others.

So when people accept democracy as good, they accept being ruled by others.

It makes no difference if you’re being ruled by one person, a group of persons, or a million persons, does it?

Tom Larsen
Tom Larsen
Dec 12, 2024 2:09 PM
Reply to  Johnny

Well, what you are describing presupposes a level of organization, and even centralization of communication, and defense that Davis’ voluntaryist “system” would not have.

Human values
Human values
Dec 12, 2024 12:54 PM
Reply to  Johnny

Rulers are always authoritarian.

Anarchism is not compatible with democracy.

https://theanarchistlibrary.org/library/ziq-do-anarchists-support-democracy

Iain Davis
Iain Davis
Dec 13, 2024 12:48 PM
Reply to  Human values

Anarchism is not compatible with representative democracy which is what the critique you linked to calls “democracy.” Representative democracy is not democracy. It is the antithesis of democracy.

As people have pointed out in the comments, pure anarchy isn’t likely to break out anytime soon, assuming that pure anarchy is life without rulers not life without rules. My problem is that no one seems to bother to think how we might actually create a stateless society given the current representative democracy we live in is rapidly approaching a totalitarian nightmare. The state isn’t likely to simply hand power over to the people.

People also constantly complain that people like me are “black pilled” say everything is shit and never offer solutions. So I am trying to suggest a possible solution with these articles.

Human values
Human values
Dec 14, 2024 1:07 PM
Reply to  Iain Davis

Anarchism is not compatible with any kind of democracy, because democracy is majority rule, being ruled by numbers, tyranny of the majority.

Direct democracy is even worse than representative democracy.

Anarchism isn’t just against the state rule, as the state is only a tool to implement social divisions, hierarchies, inequality, and injustice, using money and laws to protect the money system. Corporations have already taken the role of the state, as evidenced in the plandemic. Corporations are privately owned businesses, and their only purpose is to make profits from buying and selling. It’s all about money, accumulation of money in private hands. A few individuals are already more wealthy than most states. So the state has no place in the last version of capitalism. It doesn’t need it. Corporations can take care of everything.

Capitalism is a pyramid scheme where people are put under the system of profit, money, and private property. This system is collapsing. And it will collapse.

You’re trying to save capitalism and the money system with democracy just like all capitalists.

But ”Democracy in any form is irrational, unjust, inefficient, capricious, divisive, and demeaning.”

https://theanarchistlibrary.org/library/bob-black-debunking-democracy

Iain Davis
Iain Davis
Dec 13, 2024 12:40 PM
Reply to  Johnny

Yes

p.s.
p.s.
Dec 11, 2024 11:06 PM

Just had a quick look (too late) and heard that Duke considers Syrians to be “Aryans” (possibly a serious consequence of his chemotherapy?).

https://odysee.com/@MarkCollett:6/PWR292:2

If Syrians are Aryans, why not Egyptians? If Egyptians are Aryans, why not Sudanese, etc. Mark, in his diplomatic way, unfortunately did not even deign to reply.

Doctor Doctor, this is (even more than) a full-blown culture shock!

Rodrigo
Rodrigo
Dec 11, 2024 10:33 PM

«A fabric like SingularityNET could be used to help nudge humans into a global brain mindplex that concurrently achieves human fulfilment and porting of human values into the “seed AGI” (that will grow into unpredictable new things but starting from the seed of human culture/values). AI’s/AGI’s on a DLT fabric like SingularityNET would allow for the creation of an AGI mindplex on the collective level, granted the necessary technical requirements. Advancements in neuroscience, novel forms of cognitive communications can be discovered through sophisticated brain-computer interfaces (BCI’s). With further technological advancements, it may eventually be possible to code aggregate sets of neural signals into DLT, thus connecting them with decentralized AI fabrics such as SingularityNET, and enabling partitioning, recombination, crowdsourcing and creative democratic evolution of cognition (Swan 2016, 2015), uncovering hitherto unfathomable and unknown aspects of human and transhuman neural and mental function.»
Mindplexes, Non-Ordinary Consciousness, and Artificial General Intelligence.
Gabriel Axel Montes & Ben Goertzel

Captain Birdheart
Captain Birdheart
Dec 11, 2024 9:26 PM

Here’s what the smartest guy in the world thinks, if you got 2 hours spare.

I don’t agree with everything he says, one never does.

Chris Langan – The Interview THEY Didn’t Want You To See – CTMU [Full Version; Timestamps]

David McBain
David McBain
Dec 11, 2024 9:11 PM

“Initially, individuals would have to start by learning to think differently.”. Therein lies the problem: Most individuals I know can’t be bothered to think at all. They seem to think that thinking is ingesting and regurgitating BBC propaganda.

Sean Veeda
Sean Veeda
Dec 11, 2024 9:10 PM

Given the current obsession with diversity, you can be sure that any sortition would be unrepresentative.

Veri Tas
Veri Tas
Dec 11, 2024 9:10 PM

How quickly can we institute jury-led trials before a “volcourt”, given that whole countries can be toppled in a matter of a few days? I’m all for it, and I’ll give up my time to sit on such a proceeding free of charge. We must hold the ‘Covid’ era crims to account at last.

And if obedience could finally be done away with as the most high virtue, we could also put an end to offensive armed forces (the Orwellian “defence” forces). In other words, stop warfare.

Sounds good, let’s do it.

Clutching at straws
Clutching at straws
Dec 11, 2024 8:29 PM

The thing I don’t understand is that Iain is a good bloke who sees the big picture, as is Kit, Catte and all of us on here who see what’s going on.

The rest of the world are obviously fucking idiots.

Can anyone explain?

jubal hershaw
jubal hershaw
Dec 11, 2024 9:10 PM

We’re delusional ?

Veri Tas
Veri Tas
Dec 11, 2024 9:11 PM

Self-interest for many, and stupidity for many others.

Clutching at straws
Clutching at straws
Dec 11, 2024 11:47 PM
Reply to  Veri Tas

No.

It’s more than that. It’s insanity.

Lizzyh7
Lizzyh7
Dec 12, 2024 8:42 PM

Willful ignorance. Don’t wanna know, will not question, conform to normalcy, whatever in hell one is told that is. Insanity? Perhaps. But then are the truly insane just ignorant?

Paul
Paul
Dec 12, 2024 9:20 PM

It’s an unfortunate feature of human psychology. To block out a possibility if it threatens our belief. Rooted in fear, the need to remain stable. Obviously some of us are not wired like that, or elevate beyond it.
So I would say it’s a lack of courage – cowardice. More than insanity.

sandy
sandy
Dec 11, 2024 7:08 PM

It will take time to discuss, vet and install. And people will have to readjust to a participatory reality of less work for compensation, more work to enable a democracy of the self-governing and a resultant Public Commons. Authority must be in held and overseen by the People. No positions of leader-authorities. It’s all about the design, configuration and initiating consent based participation. And a fully repressed People for once in their lives experiencing authority-to-decide as an actual, socially enabled, feature of human existence.

Voltara
Voltara
Dec 13, 2024 1:35 AM
Reply to  sandy

Oh sure, “the People” will get it right. It’s never happened and it never will.

“The People” are weaklings and morons. That’s the real problem.

sandy
sandy
Dec 13, 2024 5:23 AM
Reply to  Voltara

So no one you know is worthy? Or yourself also incapable? And you are just surrounded by weaklings and morons? Who do you respect? Who do you work with? Not “people”? Just where are the people you think are superior? Or are there none?

sandy
sandy
Dec 11, 2024 6:54 PM

Yes, let’s brainstorm a new true direct democracy self rule with complete transparency and voluntary participation and consent and no authority based ruler-leaders.

Pardon me, tho, just now i am watching today’s Dec 11 ABC show The View with Whoopi Goldberg and 4 women who represent the US liberal establishment talk for about 8 minutes about Mangione’s call out to the public as being arrested. Its clear now that Mangione is a political prisoner. The View crew of 5, while acknowledging public outrage of support against corporate health mis-care, plead however that no one should ever be killed. The US health care system is the worst in the world causing death and bankruptcy (500,000/yr). United Health Care denies 32% of claims, highest in the industry. The short discussion that proceeds is an archetypal example of DENIAL. Mind blowing, obvious and revealing. The unspoken message is corporations (and it’s State and Military) can kill at will, but human beings, all sovereign, cannot, and cannot bring about redress. The Establishment is an abject destructive failure for the People and we are angry and want redress, which does not exist in any form in this representative oligarchy.

Establishment denials like Whoopi says, “we know what’s right [make the health care system serve it’s purpose of serving Humanity equally] but we don’t do it”. I underlined the we here, because what she refers to is NOT we. It is the oligarchy which refuses to respond, instead perpetually protecting it’s class privilege, wealth and authority.

Right after the commercial break, Bill Clinton makes an appearance to discuss Trump’s potential actions at taking office. He is 79 and in not good shape, having a bit of difficulty. But he bears the torch of Establishment excuses that have existed since since the Civil War, trying to justify privileged 1% oligarchy and corporate governing. A very sad display. An archetypal example of why we need the People to rule ourselves. Some way, some how, we need to figure this out and implement. Imho, it is doable. We have the technology and the mind-trust to make it work. And certainly the will among the working classes to make it so.

my ways are not theirs
my ways are not theirs
Dec 12, 2024 1:42 AM
Reply to  sandy

why would you possibly want to subject yourself to this drivel? it’s beyond masochism! they probably pipe episodes of these awful programs into the detainees’ cells at the black ops sites to break their wills

sandy
sandy
Dec 12, 2024 6:52 PM

To be able to document the denialism and reflect them back. So they can see themselves clearly.

Lost in a dark wood
Lost in a dark wood
Dec 11, 2024 4:53 PM

Ctrl+F: “Liberty” / “Freedom”

Nada!

Try here:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magna_Carta
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Declaration_of_Independence

When in the Course of human events, it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another, and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature’s God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation.

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.—That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed,—That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn, that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security.

Tom Larsen
Tom Larsen
Dec 11, 2024 3:17 PM

I wonder what research Iain Davis did on this subject, what precedents he looked at? Just off the top of my head, there’s the Utopian Socialists (Robert Owen, Henri de Saint-Simon, Charles Fourier etc.) of the 19th century, they actually tested their ideas in real communities. Did Davis study them, their successes and failures? There’s the coop movement discussed at length in Rosa Luxemberg’s Reform and Revolution. Programmatically, (not tested in real life), there’s participatory economics or Parecon, a project by anarchists Michael Albert and Robin Hahnel, did Iain look at their work? What did he like about it, what did he reject? This is a well-trod path…

esure
esure
Dec 11, 2024 6:29 PM
Reply to  Tom Larsen

I wonder what research Iain Davis did on this subject

Iain is very closely tied with (lack) of Intelligence GCHQ outfit U.K colon.
And they sell the U.K constitution as a form of governance dating back to olden time if you if your dumb enough to believe the fake back story’s.

Iain is just shilling another re-branded lead the lost a stray who either have forgotten the 1 2 3 4 5 6 120000000000000 times we have heard this all before or the newly half awake after BS19 is the market targeted audience.

Wont be long April May that videos will appear and reposted around the alt media circus talking about this new form of different governance or democracy or Voluntary democracy !!!!

the fact it is governance of democracy shows how lost they are from the get go but hey they got to do the job of there backers.

remember it is a great system just the wrong people running it hopium SCAM

Erik Nielsen.
Erik Nielsen.
Dec 11, 2024 7:42 PM
Reply to  esure

Yes, as Georg Carlin said it: “Where are all the good people who could just jump in and do everything better than those we have now??”.
“No folks, this is the best America can offer, this is the best we can do, garbage in, garbage out”.