What If the Baby Jesus Had Been Born into the American Police State?
John & Nisha Whitehead
“When the song of the angels is stilled, when the star in the sky is gone, when the kings and princes are home, when the shepherds are back with their flocks, the work of Christmas begins: to find the lost, to heal the broken, to feed the hungry, to release the prisoner, to rebuild the nations, to bring peace among the people, to make music in the heart.”
Howard Thurman, theologian and civil rights activist
The Christmas story of a baby born in a manger is a familiar one. The Roman Empire, a police state in its own right, had ordered that a census be conducted. Joseph and his pregnant wife Mary traveled to the little town of Bethlehem so that they could be counted.
There being no room for the couple at any of the inns, they stayed in a stable (a barn), where Mary gave birth to a baby boy, Jesus. Warned that the government planned to kill the baby, Jesus’ family fled with him to Egypt until it was safe to return to their native land.
Yet what if Jesus had been born 2,000 years later?
What if, instead of being born into the Roman police state, Jesus had been born at this moment in time? What kind of reception would Jesus and his family be given? Would we recognize the Christ child’s humanity, let alone his divinity? Would we treat him any differently than he was treated by the Roman Empire? If his family were forced to flee violence in their native country and sought refuge and asylum within our borders, what sanctuary would we offer them?
A singular number of churches across the country have asked those very questions in recent years, and their conclusions were depicted with unnerving accuracy by nativity scenes in which Jesus and his family are separated, segregated and caged in individual chain-link pens, topped by barbed wire fencing.
Those nativity scenes were a pointed attempt to remind the modern world that the narrative about the birth of Jesus is one that speaks on multiple fronts to a world that has allowed the life, teachings and crucifixion of Jesus to be drowned out by partisan politics, secularism, materialism and war, all driven by a manipulative shadow government called the Deep State.
The modern-day church has largely shied away from applying Jesus’ teachings to modern problems such as war, poverty, immigration, etc., but thankfully there have been individuals throughout history who ask themselves and the world: what would Jesus do?
What would Jesus—the baby born in Bethlehem who grew into an itinerant preacher and revolutionary activist, who not only died challenging the police state of his day (namely, the Roman Empire) but spent his adult life speaking truth to power, challenging the status quo of his day, and pushing back against the abuses of the Roman Empire—do about the injustices of our modern age?
Dietrich Bonhoeffer asked himself what Jesus would have done about the horrors perpetrated by Hitler and his assassins. The answer: Bonhoeffer was executed by Hitler for attempting to undermine the tyranny at the heart of Nazi Germany.
Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn asked himself what Jesus would have done about the soul-destroying gulags and labor camps of the Soviet Union. The answer: Solzhenitsyn found his voice and used it to speak out about government oppression and brutality.
Martin Luther King Jr. asked himself what Jesus would have done about America’s warmongering. The answer: declaring “my conscience leaves me no other choice,” King risked widespread condemnation as well as his life when he publicly opposed the Vietnam War on moral and economic grounds.
Even now, despite the popularity of the phrase “What Would Jesus Do?” (WWJD) in Christian circles, there remains a disconnect in the modern church between the teachings of Christ and the suffering of what Jesus in Matthew 25 refers to as the “least of these.”
Yet this is not a theological gray area: Jesus was unequivocal about his views on many things, not the least of which was charity, compassion, war, tyranny and love.
After all, Jesus—the revered preacher, teacher, radical and prophet—was born into a police state not unlike the growing menace of the American police state. When he grew up, he had powerful, profound things to say, things that would change how we view people, alter government policies and change the world. “Blessed are the merciful,” “Blessed are the peacemakers,” and “Love your enemies” are just a few examples of his most profound and revolutionary teachings.
When confronted by those in authority, Jesus did not shy away from speaking truth to power. Indeed, his teachings undermined the political and religious establishment of his day. It cost him his life. He was eventually crucified as a warning to others not to challenge the powers-that-be.
Can you imagine what Jesus’ life would have been like if, instead of being born into the Roman police state, he had been born and raised in the American police state?
Consider the following if you will.
Had Jesus been born in the era of the America police state, rather than traveling to Bethlehem for a census, Jesus’ parents would have been mailed a 28-page American Community Survey, a mandatory government questionnaire documenting their habits, household inhabitants, work schedule, how many toilets are in your home, etc. The penalty for not responding to this invasive survey can go as high as $5,000.
Instead of being born in a manger, Jesus might have been born at home. Rather than wise men and shepherds bringing gifts, however, the baby’s parents might have been forced to ward off visits from state social workers intent on prosecuting them for the home birth. One couple in Washington had all three of their children removed after social services objected to the two youngest being birthed in an unassisted home delivery.
Had Jesus been born in a hospital, his blood and DNA would have been taken without his parents’ knowledge or consent and entered into a government biobank. While most states require newborn screening, a growing number are holding onto that genetic material long-term for research, analysis and purposes yet to be disclosed.
Then again, had Jesus’ parents been undocumented immigrants, they and the newborn baby might have been shuffled to a profit-driven, private prison for illegals where they first would have been separated from each other, the children detained in make-shift cages, and the parents eventually turned into cheap, forced laborers for corporations such as Starbucks, Microsoft, Walmart, and Victoria’s Secret. There’s quite a lot of money to be made from imprisoning immigrants, especially when taxpayers are footing the bill.
From the time he was old enough to attend school, Jesus would have been drilled in lessons of compliance and obedience to government authorities, while learning little about his own rights. Had he been daring enough to speak out against injustice while still in school, he might have found himself tasered or beaten by a school resource officer, or at the very least suspended under a school zero tolerance policy that punishes minor infractions as harshly as more serious offenses.
Had Jesus disappeared for a few hours let alone days as a 12-year-old, his parents would have been handcuffed, arrested and jailed for parental negligence. Parents across the country have been arrested for far less “offenses” such as allowing their children to walk to the park unaccompanied and play in their front yard alone.
Rather than disappearing from the history books from his early teenaged years to adulthood, Jesus’ movements and personal data—including his biometrics—would have been documented, tracked, monitored and filed by governmental agencies and corporations such as Google and Microsoft. Incredibly, 95 percent of school districts share their student records with outside companies that are contracted to manage data, which they then use to market products to us.
From the moment Jesus made contact with an “extremist” such as John the Baptist, he would have been flagged for surveillance because of his association with a prominent activist, peaceful or otherwise. Since 9/11, the FBI has actively carried out surveillance and intelligence-gathering operations on a broad range of activist groups, from animal rights groups to poverty relief, anti-war groups and other such “extremist” organizations.
Jesus’ anti-government views would certainly have resulted in him being labeled a domestic extremist. Law enforcement agencies are being trained to recognize signs of anti-government extremism during interactions with potential extremists who share a “belief in the approaching collapse of government and the economy.”
While traveling from community to community, Jesus might have been reported to government officials as “suspicious” under the Department of Homeland Security’s “See Something, Say Something” programs. Many states, including New York, are providing individuals with phone apps that allow them to take photos of suspicious activity and report them to their state Intelligence Center, where they are reviewed and forwarded to law-enforcement agencies.
Rather than being permitted to live as an itinerant preacher, Jesus might have found himself threatened with arrest for daring to live off the grid or sleeping outside. In fact, the number of cities that have resorted to criminalizing homelessness by enacting bans on camping, sleeping in vehicles, loitering and begging in public has doubled.
Viewed by the government as a dissident and a potential threat to its power, Jesus might have had government spies planted among his followers to monitor his activities, report on his movements, and entrap him into breaking the law. Such Judases today—called informants—often receive hefty paychecks from the government for their treachery.
Had Jesus used the internet to spread his radical message of peace and love, he might have found his blog posts infiltrated by government spies attempting to undermine his integrity, discredit him or plant incriminating information online about him. At the very least, he would have had his website hacked and his email monitored.
Had Jesus attempted to feed large crowds of people, he would have been threatened with arrest for violating various ordinances prohibiting the distribution of food without a permit. Florida officials arrested a 90-year-old man for feeding the homeless on a public beach.
Had Jesus spoken publicly about his 40 days in the desert and his conversations with the devil, he might have been labeled mentally ill and detained in a psych ward against his will for a mandatory involuntary psychiatric hold with no access to family or friends. One Virginia man was arrested, strip searched, handcuffed to a table, diagnosed as having “mental health issues,” and locked up for five days in a mental health facility against his will apparently because of his slurred speech and unsteady gait.
Without a doubt, had Jesus attempted to overturn tables in a Jewish temple and rage against the materialism of religious institutions, he would have been charged with a hate crime. More than 45 states and the federal government have hate crime laws on the books.
Had anyone reported Jesus to the police as being potentially dangerous, he might have found himself confronted—and killed—by police officers for whom any perceived act of non-compliance (a twitch, a question, a frown) can result in them shooting first and asking questions later.
Rather than having armed guards capture Jesus in a public place, government officials would have ordered that a SWAT team carry out a raid on Jesus and his followers, complete with flash-bang grenades and military equipment. There are upwards of 80,000 such SWAT team raids carried out every year, many on unsuspecting Americans who have no defense against such government invaders, even when such raids are done in error.
Instead of being detained by Roman guards, Jesus might have been made to “disappear” into a secret government detention center where he would have been interrogated, tortured and subjected to all manner of abuses. Chicago police have “disappeared” more than 7,000 people into a secret, off-the-books interrogation warehouse at Homan Square.
Charged with treason and labeled a domestic terrorist, Jesus might have been sentenced to a life-term in a private prison where he would have been forced to provide slave labor for corporations or put to death by way of the electric chair or a lethal mixture of drugs.
Indeed, as I make clear in my book Battlefield America: The War on the American People and in its fictional counterpart The Erik Blair Diaries, given the nature of government then and now, it is painfully evident that whether Jesus had been born in our modern age or his own, he still would have died at the hands of a police state.
Thus, as we draw near to Christmas with its celebration of miracles and promise of salvation, we would do well to remember that what happened in that manger on that starry night in Bethlehem is only the beginning of the story. That baby born in a police state grew up to be a man who did not turn away from the evils of his age but rather spoke out against it.
We must do no less.
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What If the Baby Jesus Had Been Born into the
American European/New Zealand Police State?You’ve missed the telling of Mary to take the K2 shots (vitamin K injections) and the threat of diseases and virus’s if you do not vaccinated your newborn when your spread eagle bleeding and cut and this is literally after giving birth.
They seem to like to pick a time to explain the benefits of vaccination and why you should do it asap.
What if… Jesus never lived.
You.
The Self CheckOut till will not sell the alcohol unless a human approves it atm.
The next stage will be the CCTV screens at the self checkout scanning your face to say computers says yes nor no.
Within the next 5 years, Supermarkets will have robocop type security teams and less than 5 staff working.
Eventually Supermarkets will be staffless by 2035 and the whole shopping experience visiting shops, towns etc will mainly be online due to the threats of violence or airborne virus’s.
Slogans like Safer to shop online will be sold as the new normal.
Our local Tesco’s has a canteen where the ordering has been totally computerised. We still have the inconvenience of having actual people serve the food but I’m sure they’re working on that even as we speak.
The incredible thing is not that they exist, but that they can get customers enough to actually make them running.
The sheeple takes them as just another day in the office.
I have tried these half automated restaurants several times for just a simple burger deadly hungry after a long trip by us or train. But everytime I had to give gave up.
They are simply too de-animating…….to me. But that just me.
The more I think about it, the more sure I am that we have to divide our world (societies if you like) up in two categories:
The 2-dimensional digital minded and the 3-dimensional real world. Our mental difference is too big to make these two function together.
with some nice words he will get a Nobel peace prize regardless of how many of the promised Armageddons he will deliver!
Amen.
https://alphaandomegacloud.wordpress.com/2024/12/24/bethlehem-the-truth-behind-its-meaning-and-the-prophecy-of-micah-5-v-2/
If and if my butt was odd and my Grandma’s was a wheel, we would all run and steal.
I see endless OG articles assuming and insisting that an entity named ‘America’ is responsible for all worldly evil. Why not say ‘Great Satan’, I wonder? By contrast, I’ve yet to see anyone here name, shame and analyze the activities of that elitist tribe who, for 150 years or more, have done more than anyone else to corrupt and control the politics and culture of both the US and what was once proudly called western civilisation. But maybe I missed the articles exposing Z*onism.
The Brits. The extinguished Englishman. The Colonial Empire Bureaucrat and City of London. Tony did it. They the Brits are evilness.
Zionism is just another excuse invented as whipping boy for the Crown.
Agree. The author is doing contortions to conflate the supreme parasites – and global capital – with the deep state. Thee latter is only serves the former.
‘He was eventually crucified as a warning to others not to challenge the powers-that-be’. Wasn’t Jesus crucified because the Pharisees and then the mob demanded it? Pilate famously asked them if he might spare ‘the King of the Jews’. We all know their reply.
Correct. Jesus said “render unto Ceasar”. John the Baptist was the threat to the powers-that-be and they took his head right away.
A literal born again Jesus wouldn’t have a problem with the American police state for long – not if he had been born in Bethlehem today. Bethlehem is in the West Bank, so today’s Jesus would be Palestinian and therefore destined for a “solitary, poor nasty, brutish and short” life. No teaching, no preaching, not miracles, no compassion, just endless pursuit by militant (i.e., mindless) settlers who covet his home and consider his very existence an affront to their “god.”
Isn’t Christmas a 20th century thing? Didn’t it not exist in the 19th Century?
Christmas was and is the Solstice. long before any religions. The entire story of Jesus’ ministry is an allegory for the journey of the Sun through the twelve signs of the zoo-de-arc.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OrSz5_06e8A
Chinese have celebrated it as the winter solstice around 21st. December, and still do.
..and thereby mankinds history too is also only “an allegory for the journey of the Sun”. We are born, the sun goes up, we die, the sun goes down.
Next question. The eternal “Why the fock are we here man”???
Someone is constantly trying to diminish Christ’s message and coming to be second to something, here second to the sun.
Second to the Pharaohs, second to Krishnamurti, second to China traditions, second to you name it.
But it should be seen opposite: Solstice, the journey of the Sun through the 12 star formations, the Chinese tradition, the signs, the predictions, is all an appraisal of the our real King of our universe.
Why? Because he gives us a purpose. Without him we are nil.
not “is” but are all an appraisal……
What I mean is you are right. Christmas is a pagan celebration of the Sun, but as such, Christmas has nothing to do with Christ.
What did Christ say about celebrating him?: 10.04.2025 is Christ and our day.
https://medium.com/yomelijah/keep-doing-this-in-remembrance-of-me-luke-22-19-whole-article-aedb7090fd9b
What if Christianity is Paganism?
Remember, Jesus the Christ wasn’t a Christian.
I have found that the Bible answer almost everything correct in contradiction to much noise.
Also in this case The Bible talk about the label and definition false Jews!
We have the right Jews, and we have the False Jews.
The false Jews are the Pharisees, the Zionists, The Talmudists, any Jewish ideology who claim to be Jews but do not follow the Law.
Same in our case. We have false Christians, false Christianity, and we have true Christians, true Christianity.
True Islam, false Islam, false Islam, and so on and on.
It is a very very important question you ask, why I think we each should take our time to consider it deeply.
Many seeking people will need the answer to understand why this to be religious toward God is not and cannot be a connection through a church or specific organisation, but is a direct connection to our universe, to God.
Treating our churches with respect, because a lot of people do their best as assistants to the worship and they help!
They help, but they are not the Gate!
By dividing the worship up into false and true, you will understand why so many politicised and false Priests, Bishops, Rabbi’s and churches are mixed with true believers within ones faith.
Thus, why you must connect directly to be religious comfortable, and why you have this confusion (also descried in the Bible) that you present.
No need to theorise about what the US empire would do as they’re doing it right now. In the ‘Holy Land’ in 2024, thousands of indigenous babies were born and the US-funded police state levelled the whole area doing its damnedest to kill them all, together with their siblings and parents. Schools, homes, universities, hospitals, churches, mosques, cemeteries and farms all wiped out. Never forget.
But I don’t want to go among mad people,” Alice remarked.
“Oh, you can’t help that,” said the Cat: “we’re all mad here. I’m mad. You’re mad.”
“How do you know I’m mad?” said Alice.
“You must be,” said the Cat, “or you wouldn’t have come here.
~ Lewis Carroll, Alice in Wonderland
There is no room for quality in a quantitative control system.
Quality is felt and known as light, life and guidance or direction.
Judgement splits the Son of God into pieces.
Attempt to understand within the old wine paradigm of judgements operating as social controls will subvert the message and messengers of light to serve ‘structure’ oriented identity.
The message is through the form but not IN it as a locked down meaning.
The message is simple – truth is freedom; not merely from structured identity, but for creation-which is lost to the attempt to create or think privately, alone and apart.
What is thinking?
What Is, truly is.
What if, never was.
Our human condition has been nouned to a locked-down model of physically determined existence, yet this imaged reality or model is attended by a priesthood of ‘model adjusters’.
Objective continuity and conformity makes time and extends place.
Yet what Is-cannot be objectified to subjection -BUT in imaged thought by which the mind creates experience of All That Is.
Can a mind in truth be trapped in self-illusion of its own thoughts?
I ask this as a pointer to restore true order, that the tale no longer wag the dog.
But it is possible to pose the same question as a basis for engaging in experience of reversal of order, in which creative will is assigned to externalised or projected thought as attempt to normalise possession and control within a Greater Mind now framed as threat of exposure to fear, pain and loss of face and control.
Yet there is a rightful possession of heart and mind in decision that can be robbed or denied by the introduction of self-doubting division – such as to distrust felt-knowing of integral guidance in favour of externally structured and socially reinforcing judgements as substitution of a qualitative or joy-aligned being with a social identity of systemic order.
What passes as thinking in a predictive control system is a form by which to blank the mind-integral or Message and Messenger of being. Living Thought joins across time and place because it is whole and of a Whole.
Building a unified system as if to reach to Heaven is a Humpty Dumpty of reconstituted pieces of blind fragments set as the remaking of the ‘past’ in the present as self-vindication or vengeance on ‘sins’ ‘escaped’ by denial of What Is, running towards its Final Solution as the victory over what is not or never was but that we so insist or demand.
Releasing grievance as healing unto a wholeness of being has no appeal to a mindset of war as the ‘solution’ by which an existential fear is masked over but retained as a defence framing all else as threat – demanding countermeasures of masking, distancing, distrust, denial and attack, as basis for overriding or subjugating all else.
The Christ Child is but your Self as the Messengers of the More of Who and What you are. Only truth can recognize truth. There is No communication between truth and illusion but that we choose the guide for seeing.
To look though an idea of conflict and contradiction is to receive as we are giving. But a split mind ‘sees’ threat and grievance as boosters to saving the split while blessings are unheeded or hated.
The hatred for love held by the aggrieved is never for what love is, but against what we have made of love, in error. But love is not mocked, baited or tempted by the casting of stories of the mind – to lie bleeding, broken or denied in bodies that fail or betray.
To not know what love is, then becomes a self-honesty in place of self-delusion, and this automatically invites the Messenger with whom you are one – despite a mind long adapted to darkness where fear ‘made real’.
Let wholeness move of itself by giving even an instant of true welcome.
Peace is the condition in which love moves of itself – one and all.
The qualitative discernment is not an acquired add-on, or booster, but the rising of awareness whole. A gift of what already is to willing acceptance.
Off Guardian is rinsing this Jesus & Christmas grift.
If your journalistic?
Then do some real journalism of the fake Bible and Jesus control mechanism story.
Receive the free gift of salvation.
or jc’s real, but derailed teachings?!
Technically speaking, debunking the Bible and the Jesus paradigm is not “journalism.” Rather, it’s historical analysis and requires the kind of perhaps decades long research a journalist would not have the time or inclination for.
You see there is two sides of it. When I came to here you had two thumbs, one up and one down.
One signifies the historical debunking and the other signifies the historical confirmation. Our free will of choice. The choice.
As Mr. Anderson says in the end of the film “Matrix”. “Because I choose”. I use my free human will to make a choice. Therefore I am. I am with God.
“White privilege” ultimately means nothing less than systematically denying billions of colored people the right to participate in the supremacist’s gene pool.
In order to break this persistent habit, it is necessary to educate the perpetrator group irrefutably about the immoral badness of their practiced selfish racism!
White people like the Han Chinese, Japanese, Philippinos, Kazakhs, Turks, Arabs, Argentinians, Chileans?
Some of these indeed live in a supremacist bubble in their clan hive minds, others luckily not.
Sectarian supremacy is not quite the same as racial supremacy. The Sunni Shia rift, e.g., is entirely based on which descendant of Mohammad particular Arabs chose to follow. In a way, it’s far worse than racial supremacy because to an impartial observer there is no basis for it.
What If the Baby Jesus Had Been Born into the CPC Police State?
He would be lobotomized at minimum, probably organ harvesting after, than cremation alive.
That ancient wooden cross was better.
We watch the 1947 movie “It’s a Wonderful Life” and see what would happen if a good man such as George Bailey had never been born. No one can say that without his deeds his town and many lives would have been the same. But what if Jesus had never been born, and if their was none of his followers to preach his teachings and do their best to follow his faith and example? Most certainly the Roman Empire would have fallen anyway but there would have been no monasteries to save the learning and to resist and to covert the ruthless barbarian hoards, nor the Vikings who terrorized and pillaged much of Europe for over 100 years. There would have been no system to organize the virtue of charity for higher ends, no stucture or volunteers to found hospitals and centers of learning. There would have been no system receptive to propagate the idea of Socratic conscience, the immortality of the soul, redemption over sin, no institutions of learning to rediscover even Aristotle and develop the scientific method. The West would have remained as backward, ruthless, hedonistic, and slave ridden as any civilization before Christ, and exactly what it has now turned back to in throwing out the baby with the bathwater. Notice that the evils listed by Howard Thurman in the article are thriving with little or no moral condemnation and opposition from those posing as a our Christian leaders these days. The higher you go in any hierarchy, bureaucracy, or in any major corporation the less integrity you find, and the more fear, dishonesty and deliberate blindness prevail. Today our Church prelates are nothing but martyrs to the lords of darkness. As for myself, without the grace to choose Christ I would have been totally lost in sin and ignorance. I can only say that it is the same for the world at large.
I’m something of a grinch I guess because if I get stuck watching “It’s a Wonderful Life” I keep wanting someone to drop an atom bomb on the town.
doubtless it would have been better with the “killing spree” alternative ending, suppressed until that episode of “The Simpsons” exposed the truth
I second your emotion!
I shamelessly indulge in various sentimental Christmas pop culture iconic works, but for some reason “It’s a Wonderful Life” was always a bridge scene too far for me.
FWIW, I was with a group of IAWL devotees when I first watched it, which was incipiently traumatizing. I remember bugging out and hiding in a bathroom before the end. Bah! Humbug! 🤨
“what if Jesus had never been born.” There never was any “saviour” called Jesus. Jesus represents the Sun. Ancient Egypt called the Sun “Ra”. There are many other names for the Sun and all religions have the Sun as their supreme god. The Sun gives us life.
“The Word made Flesh.”
Comparing apples and pears all the way through this article!
What if baby Mohamed had been born in America?
I bet he would preach and fight his way to this “top” in no time. Sanctioning unlimited sex & loot for his followers and all central power for him.
Reminds you of which influential US passport holders?
Many to chose.
Sounds like Trump.
Since the 1970s, at least 26 women have publicly accused Donald Trump, of rape, kissing, and groping without consent; looking under women’s skirts.
Single adult women for sex is passe amongst the American “Elite”. Creepy Joe is trying the other stuff publicly but too old and forgetful; Epstein’s list is closer to the fall of the anglo angles. The woke are their naive vanguard.
All are 1400 years behind Mohamed though.
Holysee and the Christian nonces take some beating with pedo and rape.
Religion death rape cult all in the name of revulsion that is called religious worship of Abrahamic death rape 3rd temple cult.
Woke but cannot see the contradiction perversion in your dialectic.
Nay, more like Hunter Biden. Check the photos here.
The one trick pony that never caught on.
So in other words, not much has fucking changed in 2000 years. And speaking out didn’t get Jesus anywhere except nailed to a cross. Got it. I guess the problem now is, because of the day and age we live, things could get exponentially worse. The people aren’t going to help man, we’re going to have to do it ourselves. That hasn’t changed either. As for me, I’d love to change the world, but I don’t know what to do, so I leave it up to you. Although I’m willing to help if anyone has any good ideas.
A fate He freely accepted as atonement for the sins of mankind..
And in one fell swoop Jesus condemned us all as sinners, good and bad alike who needed outside redemption. Not impressed.
We are all sinners.
God gave His son as a sacrifice to bring us back into right relationship with Him.
“Not impressed”!!
Just have to love the pride and ego of humans…
Like the ones it blamed the blameless kids for those of their fathers.
What an a-hole.
Glad your comment made sense to you.
The gullible can’t understand.
Exodus 20:5
changing the world starts with changing ourselves!
clichéd, but not at all stupid
Whitehead writes:” If his family were forced to flee violence in their native country and sought refuge and asylum within our borders, what sanctuary would we offer them?”
And makes no reference to any other type of illegal alien inside any Western country.
But then Whitehead doesn’t do economics, he does anecdotes and not big numbers and FBI or BKA (Germany) crime stats.
That is, Jesus, Mary and Joseph fled to Egypt because of the Massacre of the Holy Innocents. They then returned to Palestine when the coast was clear.
Unlike the current “refugee” distortions peddled in sermons by rent-seeking, established Christian churches at Xmas, the Holy Family did not run to Egypt because Joseph couldn’t sell enough of his carpentry in Nazareth and thought Egypt would appreciate his tables and stools more. So they were not country-shopping welfare migrants.
Nor did they fail in Egypt and then live off some sort of pharaonic handout (wheat dole?) for the rest of their lives.
Nor did Jesus thieve and molest and rape as he grew up.
Nor were there any high priests at Memphis or Thebes (intellectuals) who told pharaoh and anyone else that Egypt owed the Holy Family permanent refuge because Egypt had been fighting in and occupying Palestine centuries before.
All Whitehad has to do is extend his correct perception of slave labour in privatised US prisons as a policy driver to the question of mass immigration. Come on, Whitehead, you can do it,
You forgot one: Nor did Jesus Mary and Joseph flee to Egypt because Egypt had made their lives in “The Holy Land” unbearable so that the Pharaohs could increase their corporate wealth.
the Pharaohs were the OLD Testament, keep your Bible updates straight!
I correct my penultimate para. of the 1st text: Rome annexed Egypt in 30 BC or as PC libtards write, “BCE”.
Hence no pharaoh in power around Jesus’ birth.
So the Holy Family was actually fleeing to another Roman province. Curious that they did not get stopped at the border by Roman guards suspicious of why 2 Jews speaking Galilee dialect and with a baby were travelling to Egypt.
You might think that Herod would have sent fast horses to Palestine borders bearing orders to stop any babies on the move.
I forgot nothing, supercilious libtard. (notice how these libtards have subtly shifted their prattle the last few years from Compassion for All Fleeing Violence and War to: Compassion for All Chancers, Adventurers and Opportunists)
Got any daughter or wife, whiteskin? You live in a nice leafy suburb with no “asylum seekers”? Or maybe you belong to the Moral Global Majority instead, you know, the one where Chinese, Indians, Mexicans and Somalis are all said by you Grauniad lovers to have common interests because they are un-white?
Unlike you I have witnessed some of the rapefugees in the EU, Africans wearing expensive tracksuits and sneakers and phoning on the latest smartphones while hanging around shopping malls. What utter poverty
If their local elites in eg Senegal or Nigeria have colluded with Western corporations, it is not the duty of elderly UK pensioners on their walkers to balance what the elites owe their populations in Africa by getting bashed and robbed.
Not least because pensioners on walkers in the UK tend not to possess the sums owed by those elites.
These African elites are almost entirely the creation and property of the various Western corporate interests which do anything and everything to keep them in power. And should disgruntled people band together and fight back, they are dismissed by the West as terrorists who must be destroyed.
This is what’s happening in Mozambique, Nigeria, the Democratic Republic of the Congo, South Sudan. Each of these nations have immensely rich reserves of natural resources which are coveted by the West.
It’s regrettable that the pensioners might be put upon – but where were they when their nations were invading and exploiting the Global South? Were they demanding an end to the industrialization their nations effected with the exploited resources of others – an industrialization that put money in their pension funds?
What are we going to do having been born into this police state?
Those of us awakening to the dynamics of the enslavement paradigm have our inner work to engage with, just as Jesus and every other initiate through the millenia have had to so as to realise true freedom within.
Apply authentic spiritual/mystical practises to transform the psychic and emotional patterns which we have been enculturated with since developing in our mother’s womb..
So as to return to our innocent, unconflicted state of mind.. Freedom from programmed the conflict of dualism.
In Egypt, Jesus was initiated into the Khemetic mystery schools.. The Christian political religious systems have twisted the Khemetic principles which Jesus taught so as to instil blame, fear, guilt and shame in people and coerce them into believing that their freedom can only be gained through an external authority “Priest/church”..
These unconscious layers of belief are deep and complex and act as an almost impenetrable membrane to the realm of the soul and the frustration of being bound up in the ego prison gnaws away at us every day to some degree or another..
With the crazy dynamics intensifying in the wider world around us, it’s actually an encoded wake up call from the Deep Self, for us to turn inwards so we can personally and collectively renounce the insanity both within and without, so as to dedicate what remains of our life to the soul work.. From that place of true power then there’s more chance that significant change shall occur externally.
“Archbishop Óscar Romero, a key figure in the liberation theology movement, was assassinated on March 24, 1980 while celebrating mass in El Salvador.
Two mercenaries shot Romero with a U.S. military assault rifle while he was preparing the gifts for mass. He died from shock and blood loss within minutes.”
Liberation Theology was replaced with the Prosperity Gospel preached by hysterical Christian Zionists.
Bombs, bullets, and drones shattered the “silent night.”
Best Christmas story I’ve read in years:
Christmas Miracle: Dave Portnoy Saves Struggling Veteran-Owned Pizza Shop In Baltimore
“This is a re-heat – thin New York kind of style …. I really like it,” Portnoy.
Meaning both you and Portnoy are promoting “thin almost cold NYC pizzas who should have been re-heated” to be preserved…..because you like them?
We are taking names Veri Tas!
Jesus lived probably at some stage (pun intended), So did Adam and Eve, the first breeders, made by the controllers, about 400 years ago.
Was the main msm news the other day about the Sun ?
Good to know that Antarctica experiment put an end to the flat level earth what-have-you nonsense, ..
The Final Strawman Experiment
Hopefully, won’t hear anymore of that..
Meanwhile, this great thread got a restart..
Flat Earth | Page 80 | stolenhistory.net – Rediscovered History of the World
Jesus wasn’t a revolutionary.
Anyone care to explain their downvote?
I thought not.
I repeat. Jesus was NOT a “revolutionary.”
Technically, given the evidence extant, it appears he was a Cynic philosopher.
Well, he was. Just because you don’t know what a Cynic is, doesn’t mean he wasn’t.
The Christian fundamentalist on the site using many different ID’s.
Notice how awfully upset the cult gets when someone upsets the fairy tale mythology mindcontrol story.
Tooth fairy pays much better today than in the old days.
The truth is the truth, no one gets upset.
He was a revolutionary for the non-violent like much later MK Gandhi, naive as they were even in self defense.
He was also a revolutionary as being physical self sacrificial instead offering up one’s son to an angry old testa-mental god. “Just” offering his ego to the God of Love would have done it, but it was a Step in Homo Sapiens evolution, much exploited later by the power mongers of the Churches for their own egos.
but his real teachings were.
John the Baptist was the revolutionary
citizens should sabotage this See Something Say Something app by flooding it with random reports, á la the civil hyper-obedience that brought down the UK’s chicken census recently
if I’m not mistaken, Cory Doctorow presents a fictionalized account of a similar anti-surveillance tactic in “Little Brother”
“speak truth to power” all you like! knock yourself out! power doesn’t give a rat’s ass about the truth, and nor do most of the powerless, who either already know what’s going on, because it’s going on ON THEM, or else they don’t want to know, because they prefer to avoid potentially lethal conflict and psychological distress
What does truth matter? We each have our own interests. The majority of us have more or less the same interests. It is in our interest to further them by whatever means necessary.
Can ‘our own interests’ be ‘the same interests’, and does the truth of your answer (and your post) matter? Lastly, it’s an infamous truth that Lenin and other genocidal dictators furthered their interests by ‘any means necessary’.
You don’t understand what I mean. And yes one’s own interest can be the same as someone else’s. Duh
A fairly comprehensive gamut of hypotheticals.
Unless I missed it, they left out the possibility that young Jesus might be perceived by his teachers as less than fully masculine, or gender-conflicted, and wind up on the gender-reassignment conveyor belt. 👶🏻 ➡ 👧🏻
In the entire west if they sought asylum they would be branded frauds and liars, in Australia they would be shipped off to a prison on the tiny island of Nauru forever and left without means of support
Copying the image suzaloop put in their post on the “Its Christmas Time” discussion…
Or, put another way, there’s no way that newborn Palestinian could get from Nazareth to Bethlehem in the modern Middle East. Too many checkpoints designed to keep the locals from traveling.
An amusing bit of trivia that pretty much sums up the role of religion as a tool for enforcing secular political policy. Thus it has always been and is the reason why socialists reject religion despite having beliefs that are often similar to religion’s founding prophets. (Put another way — if Jesus was alive today he’d be universally castigated as a commie and that business with overturning the money changers’ tables in the temple…..life without parole, or worse…..)
When the Starvation Army comes out
Oh they’ll sing and they’ll yell and they’ll shout
When you ask them for something to eat
They’ll reply in voices so sweet….
You will eat, by and by
In that glorious land above the sky
Work and Pray, live on hay,
You’ll get pie in the sky when you die…..its a lie!
(Traditional, as sung by my mother. Seriously. She grew up in the 1930s.)
“Too many checkpoints” – Gaza, a testing ground for Surveillance,
and Population Control technologies, hitech weapons, and the
infrastructure for 15 Minute Cities…
Very telling that when the author mentions Jesus’ life and death they don’t mention His resurrection. And when they mention His role as a teacher and prophet they don’t mention His role of Savior of mankind and the divine Son of God.
Jesus is the only way any of us are making it out of here. Fulfilled prophecy and miraculous experiences scientifically prove His divinity.
Miracles are now scientific as well?
science is limited.
“A mouse is miracle enough to stagger sextillions of infidels.”
one thing is for sure: U FUCKING MORONS DEFI´-
NITELY DESERVE TO DIE OUT/GO EXTINCT!
So, you’re pissed-off because Santa didnt drop off a present for you ?
Jesus was based on the story of Julius Caesar, a populist that was demonized as a dictator by the dictators who took over later.
Gospel of Caesar.
https://youtube.com/watch?v=gvga-98x6Nk
As for the police state today, yes. It sucks!
But the past was much much worse and y’all are part of the cult of nostalgia.
Remember slavery, remember company towns, constitution didn’t stop that shit.
Human history is about 400 years old, like ‘jesus’.
I have only memories from the start of 1700.
The big difference between now and then was that the Star that led the Wise Men to Jesus 2000 years ago would, today, be a spy satellite leading the Unwise Men (politicians) to Jesus.