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Martin Luther King, Vietnam, and Gaza

Edward Curtin

Before my mind was turned to the subject of my title, I started to write a piece called “Are the Dead Nostalgic?”

It’s a touchy philosophical question that has no definitive answer. It seems flippant in an impossible way, which it is, but its flippancy holds a secret message.  So I asked the dead who would speak to me and got a few mixed and muffled replies. You can understand their reluctance to say anything. If I heard correctly, one of them said, “You should ask the living.”

Most didn’t answer, which had me wondering why. Were they disgusted with us?

I have always heard that nostalgia was not good for you since it kept you rooted in the past; that this ache for home – the good old days that may or may not have existed but you miss them nevertheless – prevented you from living Zen-like in the present or looking forward to the future. But I wondered if nostalgia could be a form of utopian hope in reverse at a time when humanistic utopian thinking is at a nadir, overwhelmed by the machine dreams of people like Elon Musk and those at the World Economic Forum.

This denigration of nostalgia assumed you were alive. I was wondering about the dead. What did they think? Did they wish they were still alive? Was being alive the good old days for them or did they feel they were finally home and that life had been a dream?

Or did the dead have no future, no nothing, or perhaps some afterglow of sorts, an everlasting rest in peace, whatever that may mean, a phrase that always seemed to me a bad knock on life. Who wants to sleep forever?

I guess I was thinking that if I could get in touch with the dead and get them talking, they might also tell me what it was like to be dead. Although I am no statistical whiz, I figured there were a lot more of them than us and the odds were pretty good that someone there would spill the beans.

I thought of this recently when watching the new film about Bob Dylan’s early years, A Complete Unknown, when his girlfriend, Sylvie Russo (based on Suze Rotolo, played by Elle Fanning) gets angry at him for concealing his true past and identity, and he replies, “People make up their past, Silly, they make up what they want; forget the rest.”

This was especially true for Dylan in his early years and has a ring of truth for everyone to a lesser extent, whether it’s from memory lapses or some sense of wanting to fictionalize their pasts for reasons known only to them. Our memories and forgeteries are interesting creative faculties.

But as I said, I was interested in the dead. Did they also do that? Were they nostalgic?

Then this proclivity of mine toward philosophical thought and dark humor flipped in my mind as the pictures of dead and weeping Palestinian children swept in and tortured me in dreams. I had seen the photos and videos of the ongoing Israeli genocide of Palestinians and felt sick and outraged afterwards. I have written against it many times.

Yet as I wrote about this issue of nostalgia, I felt like a speculator in abstractions, and thought of Martin Luther King, Jr.’s experience when on January 14, 1967 he was at an airport restaurant thumbing through a Ramparts magazine and saw an article by the journalist William Pepper, “The Children of Vietnam” that featured photos of Vietnamese mothers holding dead and napalmed children.

In 1999, the author James W. Douglass (JFK and the Unspeakable, etc.) wrote an essay describing this serendipitous event for King:

The final chapter of Martin Luther King’s life began on January l4, l967, the day on which King committed himself to deepening his opposition to the Vietnam War. He was at an airport restaurant on his way to a retreat in Jamaica. While looking through magazines, he came across an illustrated article in Ramparts, “The Children of Vietnam.” His coworker Bernard Lee never forgot King’s shock as he looked at photographs of young napalm victims.

He froze as he looked at the pictures from Vietnam. He saw a picture of a Vietnamese mother holding her dead baby, a baby killed by our military. Then Martin just pushed the plate of food away from him. I looked up and said, “Doesn’t it taste any good,” and he answered, “Nothing will ever taste any good for me until I do everything I can to end that war.”

Martin King was overwhelmed with grief and outrage. Against all advice from his associates in the civil rights movement, he realized he must publicly and unequivocally oppose the Vietnam war, which he did two-and-a half months later on April 4 at Riverside Church in the New York City in his famous speech – Beyond Vietnam: A Time to Break the Silence – in which he denounced the US war against Vietnam, linking it to his battle against racism and for economic justice for everybody. He became a revolutionary. It led to his assassination by the US government exactly one year later on April 4, 1968 in Memphis.

But his legacy lives on, despite the official MLK Day attempts to reduce him to a manageable dead threat and a one-trick pony.

Conscience calls at odd moments to roil one’s soul. It sneaks into one’s dreams and daytime thoughts, even in synchronous ways as I realize that today’s date is January 14th, 58 years to the day MLK saw those photos in Ramparts.

Just yesterday, while listening to a podcast, I heard the historian Peter Kuznik say that when he asks his students at American University, who have all been to the Vietnam Memorial wall and seen the names of the 58,318 dead Americans, how many Vietnamese were killed in the war, they answer in the range of 90,000.

While on a trip to Hanoi last year, Kuznik learned that the official Vietnamese count is 5 million, to which one could add another 1 million Thai, Laotian, and Cambodians. Kuznik had been assuming the 3.8 million dead Vietnamese figure was correct, but his bright students had no idea because their knowledge of history is abysmal.

Similarly, just this past week, the English medical journal The Lancet reported that the death toll in Gaza in the first nine months as a result of Israel’s genocidal assault was about 40 % higher than reported by the Palestinian Health Ministry.

The study’s best estimate puts the number of dead Palestinians (excluding the severely injured, those dead from starvation, those missing under the rubble, etc.) at approximately 64,000 from October 7, 2023 to June 30, 2024. Of those, the study concluded that approximately 60 % were women, children, and old people. As everyone knows, Israel has turned Gaza into a wasteland and a killing field that has continued to the present day, with Israel furiously continuing to attack, killing 38 Palestinians yesterday.

As with the death figures from Vietnam, these numbers are no doubt greatly underestimated and can be multiplied by three, four, or more. But if you follow the corporate mainstream media, especially in the U.S. and its adjuncts, you will learn nothing of this. It is assumed that people don’t care and are more interested in strange flying objects over the skies of the northeast that have ostensibly disappeared until they will be revived, the sex and drinking habits of Trump’s cabinet nominees, and the latest sports and celebrity news.

Many don’t care and many do, but people generally feel battered and overwhelmed by the insane condition of the country, the endless news reports of all the things to fear, the political dirty tricks and propaganda, the corruption, the rip-offs, the lies and posturing, etc.

Many have been so dumbed down by the endless propaganda that they will believe anything.

Most people may not know how to articulate their rage and disgust, but they sense that something is terribly wrong and fear it will get worse. They may not want to take it anymore and are mad as hell but realize screaming out their windows at the air as in the classic film Network will not remedy anything. They wait in dread, depressed, but deny it.

Half the voting population has invested their hopes in Trump just as the other half did with Biden – both delusional in the extreme. Those dead Palestinian children that torment me are the results of the Biden administration’s alliance with fellow Israeli Zionist Netanyahu – two bloody nihilists – now to be replaced by Trump, a third enthusiastic supporter of genocide.

Those of us who have been speaking out for years are also tired. I am tired. The recent Israeli/U.S. bloody victories in the Mideast came as a shock to those who hoped Israel and the Netanyahu government would be forced to desist. The opposite has occurred. Lebanon, Syria, Yemen – is Iran next?

(And you will notice that I have not even mentioned Ukraine and the U.S. war against Russia.)

It’s heavy stuff, hard on the spirit, so perhaps you can understand my desire to delve into philosophical and artistic matters from time to time.

I think of the poem To Those Born Later, by the German poet Bertolt Brecht:

What kind of times are they, when
A talk about trees is almost a crime
Because it implies silence about so many horrors?
That man there calmly crossing the street
Is already perhaps beyond the reach of his friends
Who are in need?

They say to me: Eat and drink! Be glad you have it!
But how can I eat and drink if I snatch what I eat
From the starving, and
My glass of water belongs to one dying of thirst?
And yet I eat and drink.

I would also like to be wise.
In the old books it says that wisdom is:
To shun the strife of the world and to live out
Your brief time without fear
Also to get along without violence
To return good for evil
Not to fulfil your desires but to forget them
Is accounted wise.
All this I cannot do.
Truly, I live in dark times.

Yes, so do we. But the most terrible atrocities have taken place on a vast scale for a very long time. Are they seen as almost normal now, the “new” reality? So much so that our faculty for forgetting and dismissing them far outweighs our will to remember?

Yet sometimes a time to break the silence is always now, and a message comes to us to remember to speak out. The official organs of the government and press on January 20th will once again urge everyone to remember Martin Luther King, Jr. as a statue from the past, frozen in time, a fighter for racial justice but nothing else.

His opposition to the triplets of racism, materialism, and militarism will be ignored. Who will say that if he were alive today he would condemn the genocide in Gaza, the U.S. war against Russian via Ukraine, and war making throughout the world? In his speech from Riverside Church on April 4, 1967 that led to his death, he said:

We are now faced with the fact that tomorrow is today. We are confronted with the fierce urgency of now. In this unfolding conundrum of life and history there is such a thing as being too late. Procrastination is still the thief of time. Life often leaves us standing bare, naked and dejected with a lost opportunity. The “tide in the affairs of men” does not remain at the flood; it ebbs. We may cry out desperately for time to pause in her passage, but time is deaf to every plea and rushes on. Over the bleached bones and jumbled residue of numerous civilizations are written the pathetic words: “Too late.” There is an invisible book of life that faithfully records our vigilance or our neglect. “The moving finger writes, and having writ moves on…” We still have a choice today; nonviolent coexistence or violent co-annihilation.

No doubt Satan will be laughing with delight as Donald Trump is sworn in as president on Martin Luther King Jr. Day.

I still wonder: Are the dead nostalgic?  I hope so.

Edward Curtin is an independent writer whose work has appeared widely over many years. His website is edwardcurtin.com and his new book is Seeking Truth in a Country of Lies.

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Howard
Howard
Jan 20, 2025 6:23 PM

There was a new item on AOL’s news (they host my verizon email account). It concerned Martin Luther King, Jr. It reported that there were 40 special deals at Amazon, Warmart etc for MLK Day.

Just think of it: Martin Luther King Jr. made the consumer parade in record time. It took Washington and Lincoln much longer to attain the pinnacle of American culture.

iskratov
iskratov
Jan 20, 2025 5:56 PM

I was struck by what Edward Said wrote in his book Out of Place, when he states that he was never able to understand and forgive the enthusiastic applause of Martin Luther King (for whom he felt genuine admiration) for Israel’s victory in 1967.

Howard
Howard
Jan 21, 2025 2:53 PM
Reply to  iskratov

The incident involving Dr. King’s encounter with the Vietnam pictures in Ramparts might help to explain Edward Said’s perplexity regarding the 1967 war instigated by Israel against its Arab neighbors.

This, because it implies that Dr. King accepted mainstream news as accurate; and of course the MSM portrayed the 1967 war as poor little helpless Israel (with its hundreds of nuclear armaments) having been attacked by its neighbors. So in that false context, cheering Israel would have been understandable.

morteth
morteth
Jan 20, 2025 9:27 AM

Within my life time I have seen witnessed severe mind control, normal joe public
would tell me as a caseworker ..

  • HOW do children/young teens run back to abusers.
  • How do abused children/young teens end up having relationships in adult life with violent or psychology / abusers and then repeating this behavior time and time again.

Normally the academic types always sit within there high tower
shaking there heads saying I WOULD NEVER GO BACK.
my children are not like that.

Today we witness Not children but 80 – 250 millions world wide adults cheering, flag waving, crying in joy that there abuser who abused them and killed there family has been endorsed by them.

No longer children now adults this is MIND CONTROL.

A Compilation of Donald Trump Pushing and Taking Credit for the Jab

antonym
antonym
Jan 20, 2025 9:26 AM

President Trump’s inauguration will be indoors due to the cold: not enough climate change™.
Next pull the US out of the fraudulent 2015 Paris acCO₂rd.

With the present FBI and CIA still around probably safer too.

Johnny
Johnny
Jan 20, 2025 8:33 AM

The ‘Editorial Board’ (sounds impressive) of the WSWS are seething with rage at Trump Mark 2:

https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2025/01/20/uirp-j20.html

Pity they didn’t show any, zero, none, fuck all of that seething rage when the world was forced, ordered, commanded and coerced into taking the TOXIC SHOTS.

Let em foam and froth.
They deserve it.

Paul Watson
Paul Watson
Jan 20, 2025 6:55 AM

MLK would be shocked and sickened by modern society..

Johnny
Johnny
Jan 20, 2025 6:11 AM

What a relief.

Tik Tok is back.

The Village People are front and centre.

And Trump will be “Hard at work(?)” signing a heap of Executive Orders on his first day in office. Boy, that MUST be exhausting!

What a relief.

We’re back in the New Normal.

Nutball
Nutball
Jan 20, 2025 6:07 AM

Michael King was a Prince Hall Freemason and sellout of his people. Therefor this imagined nostalgia is a pile of crap. Another lacky of the elites, nothing more or less.

rik myers
rik myers
Jan 20, 2025 5:08 AM

why are you going by the ridiculous low numbers of death sin GAZA Ralph Nader in November he said by UN estimate 300,000 had already been killed by Israel and by early 2025 it should reach 500,000 by continued bombing disease starvation and freezing of live bodies. get you reality numbers straight

Duckman
Duckman
Jan 20, 2025 6:55 AM
Reply to  rik myers
antonym
antonym
Jan 20, 2025 3:34 AM

Sadiq Khan warns western democracy at risk from ‘resurgent fascism’ ahead of Trump inauguration

His own culture has been a fascist threat to democracy since day one. No racist gang rapes in huge London exceptionally? Who is he kid-ding?

antonym
antonym
Jan 20, 2025 3:29 AM

Chrystia Freeland warns of Trump’s ‘existential risk’ to Canada in campaign launch
Excellent! Let that b*tch turn Canada into an US version of Ukraine.

Karla LaZier
Karla LaZier
Jan 20, 2025 1:55 AM

Thanks for reminding me of MLK’s reaction to Vietnam atrocities – here 57 years later we are held hostage by a venal government still inflicting horrors on the innocent – Gaza- and now Syria, Lebanon – wars without end to maintain a dead empire. Thank goodness the dead refuse to communicate they are silenced by the continuing horrors.

les online
les online
Jan 20, 2025 1:35 AM

It’s not a conspiracy, you memories do change over time. If you were to
write down details of an event that occurred today – say, watching Trump’s
Crowning – and read it in a year’s time, you’ll be heard to say “Hey, that’s not
what i remember !!”
Oral History is great, but there’s nothing like a written record to fix History
permanently (’til The Revisionista decides otherwise)
Remember, God told Moses “Fetch you a chisel and stone slab and
chip This down.” God didnt trust Man’s memory…

Trump is no friend of the Palestinians. He only seems to oppose the Israeli
Genocide. Trump’s concern is that the Israel’s are going about it the wrong
way. They are generating too much attention. He prefers the Israelis do it
without creating too much attention, keeping it below everybody’s radar…
Trump recalls that it was in the nation’s loungerooms, on the 6 0’Clock TV
News that the US lost its War Against The Vietnamese…
So Trump has ordered Natanyahu “Get The Slaughter Off The TV !! ”
“Carry on the way you were doing it before 7 December !!”

les online
les online
Jan 20, 2025 9:12 AM
Reply to  les online

The Ceasefire doesnt extend to The West Bank, where the
indigenes are still being driven out of their houses and homes –
while the Palestinian Authority chases down any militant resisters…

Clutching at straws
Clutching at straws
Jan 20, 2025 9:40 AM
Reply to  les online

Blessed are the cheesemakers.

Howard
Howard
Jan 20, 2025 3:02 PM

Except maybe those who make the blue cheeses.

Pilgrim Shadow
Pilgrim Shadow
Jan 20, 2025 10:43 PM
Reply to  Howard

Especially them.

les online
les online
Jan 19, 2025 9:11 PM

Well, The Big Day has already arrived here in Sydney (Australia).
I sit eagerly awaiting on the edge of my chair, wondering, “What
Will History Remember This Day For ?”
It would be for one of only two events: The Rupture, the day all the
Dead Christians** rose from their graves, and, with their still alive
brethren, rose to Heaven, (resulting in affordable houses for us
Heathens);
The day bellwether Trump led all His Followers into the Global Digital
Prison amid their gleeful thanks…
It’s certain only one of these events is certain !

** What do they call the risen ones, Christian zombies, or zombie
Christians ? It is a puzzle !

les online
les online
Jan 19, 2025 9:15 PM
Reply to  les online

correction: The Rapture.
(Trumps is said to be a disruptive force: i must have made the mistake
by association)…

Biblicism
Biblicism
Jan 20, 2025 4:32 PM
Reply to  les online
Nutball
Nutball
Jan 20, 2025 6:06 AM
Reply to  les online

Rapture is a pile of garbage by a bunch of unwitting pagan sun worshippers of c-anity following the white skinned demon j-man. Zero to do with the true Messiah whatsoever except badly translated and bastardized scriptures (yes by pagan Rome and all its offshoots). Lawless worshippers of false mighty ones will not be resurrected unto anything other than the 2nd death.

Vagabard
Vagabard
Jan 19, 2025 7:59 PM

An indoor inauguration. What are the US afraid of?

Ort
Ort
Jan 19, 2025 8:20 PM
Reply to  Vagabard

Frostbite? 🥶

Johnny
Johnny
Jan 19, 2025 10:17 PM
Reply to  Vagabard

Trump doesn’t want his combover mussed up.

Howard
Howard
Jan 20, 2025 3:04 PM
Reply to  Vagabard

Bear in mind that Trump’s first inauguration was sparsely attended and greatly protested by feminists. Maybe that’s what he’s afraid of.

Lizzyh7
Lizzyh7
Jan 21, 2025 12:30 AM
Reply to  Howard

Feminists? You mean the idiots in their pink hats? I’m sorry but those aren’t feminists. Where were they when biden used title 9 to allow men in women’s sports, etc? Nowhere. Besides, true feminism isn’t about hating men or claiming every man is oppressing women. What passes for feminism now is a sick joke. And not a funny one.

Big Al
Big Al
Jan 19, 2025 6:23 PM

Actually, about 64% of the voting age population in the U.S. voted for President and about 89 million did not vote for either of the two criminal offerings. So, Trump got a bit over 30% of foolish Americans to vote for him and Harris got about the same number of idiots to vote for her. Not even close to half. The number of those who rejected the two obviously oligarchy installed candidates far exceeded the number who voted for each one. If we’re ever going to challenge these corrupt political systems, we should be accurate about that. I didn’t not vote for either of those two for nothing, man.

DavidF
DavidF
Jan 19, 2025 8:01 PM
Reply to  Big Al

Similar in the UK…..the “landslide” for Starmer was voted for by around 20% of those eligible to vote !!
Labour required less than 25,000 votes pet seat win.
The Reform Party required 745,000 votes per seat win.
Go figure

Veri Tas
Veri Tas
Jan 19, 2025 11:07 PM
Reply to  DavidF

That’s rigged in favour for the oligarch-selected candidate. Same here in Australia. Our system depends on shuffling minor party and independent votes up to the two strongest parties via backroom deals between them, so we would never see a change happen down here at the coalface.

Johnny
Johnny
Jan 20, 2025 12:25 AM
Reply to  DavidF

Because voting is compulsory in Australia, we don’t have ‘landslides’. We have SHITSLIDES.
We get a SHITSHOW, no matter who we vote for.

Rhys Jaggar
Rhys Jaggar
Jan 20, 2025 5:57 AM
Reply to  Johnny

Do you have ‘none of the sleazeballs listed above’ as an option?

If voting is forced, polteness should not be a forced reply…..

Johnny
Johnny
Jan 21, 2025 1:17 AM
Reply to  Rhys Jaggar

I wish.

Clutching at straws
Clutching at straws
Jan 19, 2025 8:18 PM
Reply to  Big Al

So what did you do that is going to make tomorrow’s world a better place ?

Big Al
Big Al
Jan 19, 2025 8:49 PM

That should be obvious. I did not support rule by oligarchy and outright totalitarianism. The more of us that do that, we might have a chance at fighting it off.

Clutching at straws
Clutching at straws
Jan 20, 2025 9:42 AM
Reply to  Big Al

Didn’t work in UK.

In fact, that’s exactly why we currently live under a Marxist regime.

Veri Tas
Veri Tas
Jan 19, 2025 10:58 PM
Reply to  Big Al

That’s about the maximum of votes any political party can expect to achieve in western countries. That’s why there are so many coalition governments in place.

Voltaria Voltaire
Voltaria Voltaire
Jan 19, 2025 6:15 PM

Well guess what? You don’t die. So there. But your body sure will, and plenty of your cells are dying right now. When they stop rejeuvenating for you they will grow nails and hair for a bit, then feed the soil for awhile, but that is not YOU. You don’t die, you forget. You forget what you were doing, and who you were, and what was important to you. Pain makes people forget, and death is generally painful. You will get born into the world you left, most likely. Hopefully there will be one. It is a good idea to leave it in the best shape you possibly can.

But I wouldn’t call the WEF plans Utopia. It is more like Themtopia. The “Economy” planned for by WEF has nothing to do with real economy for the “world”. It has to do with profit for the very few and greedy. But you probably already knew that. Words often mean the opposite these days as our language becomes more and more obliterated, and intelligence disappears.

Nick
Nick
Jan 19, 2025 6:11 PM

So will Satan be pleased that Trump appears to have forced Israelis into a ceasefire? The ceasefire that was on the table for months but for which puppet Biden did nothing as genocide intensified? Or perhaps he’s ignoring the inconvenient news, wanting us to think all leaders are equally evil really. Like the writer of this paen to nihilism.

Big Al
Big Al
Jan 20, 2025 3:27 AM
Reply to  Nick

You don’t think a leader recommending a fake vaccine that has caused millions of serious injuries and deaths for a fake pandemic declared by the globalists is evil? Or equally evil to whatever? And Trump didn’t force shit, he begged Netanyahoo to do the deal but promised him he would support Israel breaking the ceasefire so he would look good, like a classic asshole narcissist, which they will surely do. And he’s on board with much more than that as long as it benefits him. Evil is not giving a shit about people dying and suffering because of your own actions or inactions. Trump is evil.

Lynn Ertell
Lynn Ertell
Jan 19, 2025 4:19 PM

All the major media psyop narratives are scripted, staged and sustained by PENTAGON psyops officers and consultants.
We know the exact names and personal histories of the Pentagon brass who, posing as “counter-terrorism experts”, staged the fake “attack” on the Pentagon the morning of 9/11.
That “explosion” at the Pentagon (using either a small bomb or a missile strike) constituted the “special effects” deployed to present the appearance of a “plane crashed by Islamic terrorists”.
It was the latter event, used as pretext to invoke the NATO treaty, that initiated the “Global War on Terror”.
We know the specific Pentagon brass criminally culpable for the 9/11 psyop drills, along with so many other subsequent media psyops staged to sustain the narrative of a “war on terror”.
Here again, I identify the top Pentagon perps; those who could be immediately arrested and criminally charged based solely on the limited evidence we have right now.
Gen. John Kelly, Gen. Stanley McChrystal, Gen. H.R. McMaster, Gen. Michael Flynn and his brother Gen. Charles Flynn.
https://fakeologist.com/forums2/viewtopic.php?p=18987&hilit=Generals#p18987
https://fakeologist.com/forums2/viewtopic.php?p=16239#p16239
All of those named could be brought up on charges tomorrow, if we had the muscle to enforce the existing laws on extortion, racketeering and high treason

Johnny
Johnny
Jan 20, 2025 5:57 AM
Reply to  Lynn Ertell

A roll call of $atan’$ $oldier$.

Howard
Howard
Jan 19, 2025 3:16 PM

There is a protocol to dissent, even to revolutionary ideas such as the Civil Rights Movement. Your dissent, your revolution can do anything it pleases regarding ordinary people, up to and including a few important people – and still receive your nation’s blessing. But if it even remotely touches any of those who run your society, you will pay the price.

I read an article about Patrice Lumumba a couple days ago (on globalresearch.ca). His fate, needless to say, involved more than just a handful of his fellow Congolese. His ideas threatened not only those who coveted the Congo’s mineral wealth but those who exploit the rest of Africa. So his fate was sealed.

The one constant in human history is that this particular dynamic has never changed and never will. If it appears to have changed in some or another setting, look a little deeper.

mgeo
mgeo
Jan 20, 2025 6:44 AM
Reply to  Howard

This may be hard to believe, but royal maniac of tiny Belgium caused far more suffering and brutality in Congo than afterwards.

judith
judith
Jan 20, 2025 1:42 PM
Reply to  Howard

I just wrote a comment pretty much saying the same. You can lambaste, make fun of, deride, scandalise, write books about President’s, politicians, heads of state, and even Anthony Fauci. But there seems to be a line that you do not cross.

It seems that MLK crossed that line when he started speaking out against the Viet Nam war. Perhaps the same with the Kennedy brothers. And others since then.

I could not read the Lumumba article on globalresearch because I had already read the story some years ago. It is so frightening. And emblamatic.

Vagabard
Vagabard
Jan 19, 2025 2:19 PM

There are only really 2 choices.

Either you have independent, sovereign nations with their own governments, religions and competing interests. which periodically form alliances and go to war with each other. Regularly disposing of a few million lives in the process.

OR

You have one global government, one world religion, with nation states abolished. In which case you’d have no wars (except perhaps underground dissenters vs Global Gov) but then there’d be nowhere to run if your opinion happened to differ from the official propaganda. You’d be vulnerable to what H.G Wells termed in “The Shape of Things to Come” a ‘Puritan Dictatorship’ which would be like the 20th century ruthless Soviet clampdown on arts, literature, entertainment, except it would be on a global scale. And also like the global Covid lockdown where places of entertainment and recreation as well as travel were all heavily restricted. Perhaps that was a foretaste of such a world.

H.G. Wells also posited that global government would require a different money system. One based on energy, similar to that suggested by the Technocracy movement. In other words a full replacement of the current capitalist system.

Periodic wars or one big global prison. The choice is yours

Donnie
Donnie
Jan 19, 2025 3:04 PM
Reply to  Vagabard

in second scenario, you (we) will get “a perpetual war between Oceania, Eurasia and Eastasia”. One world government will make sure that proles are permanently busy fighting each other.

Jonathan
Jonathan
Jan 19, 2025 4:32 PM
Reply to  Donnie

A peace that was truly permanent would be the same as a permanent war. This— although the vast majority of Party members understand it only in a shallower sense— is the inner meaning of the Party slogan: WAR IS PEACE.

Jonathan
Jonathan
Jan 19, 2025 4:39 PM
Reply to  Jonathan

It would probably be accurate to say that by becoming continuous war has ceased to exist. The peculiar pressure that it exerted on human beings between the Neolithic Age and the early twentieth century has disappeared and been replaced by something quite different. The effect would be much the same if the three super-states, instead of fighting one another, should agree to live in perpetual peace, each inviolate within its own boundaries. For in that case each would still be a self-contained universe, freed for ever from the sobering influence of external danger.

Nick
Nick
Jan 19, 2025 6:19 PM
Reply to  Donnie

So culture wars, gender wars, race wars, religious wars and forever wars aren’t already being instigated and used against peoples and nations by globalists and Zionists?

Jonathan
Jonathan
Jan 19, 2025 4:28 PM
Reply to  Vagabard

Or you have sovereign nations minding their own damned businesses and leaving other countries alone. The world has shrunk thanks to technology, we have better understanding of each other, and this is a perfectly achievable result. Cooperation, while competing, is the natural state that should be produced now.

We just need more people to see through the feeble pretexts used by our governments to justify interference in other nations.

If we can hang on to what’s left of free speech, there’s hope. That’s why the authorities are cracking down on it.

Nick
Nick
Jan 19, 2025 6:22 PM
Reply to  Jonathan

Doesn’t this thesis fail if most governments are merely tools of globalist owners and their NWO agenda?

Veri Tas
Veri Tas
Jan 19, 2025 11:30 PM
Reply to  Jonathan

In Australia, the majority of people were against the Iraq wars … but then we (not we the people) supported it with money and soldiers.

Our governments do not do our bidding, they are owned by the oligarchs and Big Biz.

Nick
Nick
Jan 19, 2025 6:15 PM
Reply to  Vagabard

I choose to fight the infamous tribal perpetrators of modern wars and genocides, the same guys who own our banks, governments and history, and who are so busily building the NWO. Look deeper and you can see them.

Jonathan
Jonathan
Jan 20, 2025 3:11 PM
Reply to  Nick

At this point it’s just embarrassing how overt their influence is in the USA.

I think that Star Trek episode The Trouble With Tribbles (tribals) was an overly subtle reference to the threat. Open any hatch and out they pour!

Clutching at straws
Clutching at straws
Jan 19, 2025 8:33 PM
Reply to  Vagabard

Periodic wars seem to have regulated the status quo for many thousands of years.

The knowledge that they can be very profitable has been exploited for almost as long.

That is the human condition.

Veri Tas
Veri Tas
Jan 19, 2025 11:16 PM
Reply to  Vagabard

Or humans could grow tf up and start co-operating and start questioning their indoctrinated beliefs and stop yielding to authority.

Jonathan
Jonathan
Jan 20, 2025 3:17 PM
Reply to  Veri Tas

I hate to say it, but China and even Africa are growing up with respect to diplomacy, while the collective West has degraded into unreasonable, irrational, fantasy based delusion.

CBL
CBL
Jan 20, 2025 9:16 PM
Reply to  Vagabard

Choice by whom? Us? Do we have choice as mere mortals in an ever expanding complex of (wannabee) immortals (at least in their perception of reality)? If I had a choice, I’d choose neither of the above.

Live and let live…or at least tell us the truth!

AntiSoof
AntiSoof
Jan 19, 2025 1:41 PM

We should stop manufacturing deadly weapons to begin with. People who continue to support those weapons should be put together in one country. Preferably with a very high fence around it. There’s no point in talking about this. You just choose one side and that’s that. But talking about guns is impossible. People can’t do that, that’s not what talking and writing are meant for. Therefore, the only way is to separate the good from the bad once and for all. Do you choose weapons; well, then you go live with your kind. You can’t talk about evil. The devil knows that, but people don’t understand that. Talking is impossible. That leads to nothing. The word is poison in the hands of (most) people.

Jonathan
Jonathan
Jan 19, 2025 4:50 PM
Reply to  AntiSoof

How do you separate the good from the bad and enforce it if you aren’t the one wielding deadly weapons?

I’ve said this before: if you visit gore websites you will see acts of violence that are inconceivable to civilised people. The people doing it get so excited by it they giggle like schoolgirls.

The world is full of bad people. And our governments are importing them by the millions.

If I could get hold of a (known-good) gun in the UK I would do so now. Laws be dam’ed.

AntiSoof
AntiSoof
Jan 19, 2025 6:12 PM
Reply to  Jonathan

“How do you separate the good from the bad and enforce it if you aren’t the one wielding deadly weapons?”.
I can’t talk about evil. My brain can’t think about ugliness. It is a devil’s dilemma. That’s why I wrote “People can’t do that, that’s not what talking and writing are meant for.”. Words are illusions. Words are part of the enemy. That’s why there is no solution other then no. No weapons. Forbidden. No.

But if we don’t understand, it does not matter. It is to difficult. I don’t think there are many bad people. +/- 5% are very bad, 5% very good and 90% are normal people. We (normal people) must work together. That’s a start.

Pilgrim Shadow
Pilgrim Shadow
Jan 19, 2025 11:05 PM
Reply to  AntiSoof

I agree. There aren’t that many truly bad or good people; most of the rest fall somewhere along a continuum. The problem is, that the truly bad people play by a totally different set of rules.

Jonathan
Jonathan
Jan 20, 2025 3:43 PM
Reply to  AntiSoof

“there is no solution other then no. No weapons. Forbidden. No.”

I expect you and many others put your words into practice. Very noble. How is it working out for you? How is it working out for the world?

My country is now saturated with violent savages. My decent behaviour will not make them reasonable people, but I can and will defend myself to the best of my ability using whatever means available.

I speak as an old man who has never been in a fight, not even in the schoolyard, and expected to complete my life having successfully avoided violence.

But it’s 2025 and that hope has been dashed by my evil government. “No Country For Old Men” as the film title says.

Thankfully I’m in good shape and have started working out. I’m probably stronger than most of the low IQ, weak thugs who are the bulk of the threat. (But they will be armed.) If/when I am attacked I will mess them up bad if I can. They won’t moderate their level of violence so neither will I.

Your attitude is nice but I think you are naive. Please at least acknowledge the risks and stay safe. There will always be people who are worse than animals. Whether they are 50% or 0.5% of humans, the threat is always there.

Nick
Nick
Jan 19, 2025 6:24 PM
Reply to  Jonathan

3D printing to the rescue.

mgeo
mgeo
Jan 20, 2025 6:52 AM
Reply to  Jonathan

They need the “bad” people to fill the ranks of the military for domination abroad, and of domestic enforcement for domestic domination. Poor education, destitution, dysfunctional families, “training” in prisons, insane role models, movies, online games.. Everything is meant to prepare the average sucker for such a role.

Jonathan
Jonathan
Jan 20, 2025 3:54 PM
Reply to  mgeo

Many very good people have joined the military in the past because they fell for the lies. I respect them. But I’d struggle to respect anyone joining up today. You need to be very ignorant now to still believe that (best example) the USA army is defending the USA. It is used to attack and exploit the rest of the world.

And the sick part? It is no longer even being done to improve American lives.

Nick
Nick
Jan 19, 2025 6:24 PM
Reply to  AntiSoof

This confuses and conflates ruling elites (mostly evil) with their subject peoples (mostly innocent).

George Mc
George Mc
Jan 19, 2025 1:27 PM

They become ever more obvious. From The Graud:
 
“UK Ministry of Defence enlists sci-fi writers to prepare for dystopian futures
 
Imaginations of science fiction community used to help policymakers prepare for potential crises in Britain”
 
And bearing in mind that they like to give a preview of the next act:
 
“It’s a scenario that would make Tesla’s Ceo, Elon Musk, shudder: a future where self-driving cars are the norm but a catastrophic electronic breakdown traps thousands of people inside them.”
 
And last year the MoD published British sci-fi writers’ scenarios including “British troops being decimated by apparent Russian adversaries with superior AI and quantum technology.”
 
The linking of sci-fi with govt policy has a history:
 
“Larry Niven and Jerry Pournelle were among those who successfully lobbied Ronald Reagan to create the proposed missile defence system known as the Strategic Defense Initiative (SDI), or the “Star Wars” programme.”
 
And
 
“After the 11 September attacks, the US military solicited ideas from Hollywood screenwriters about what the future might hold.” This leading to a “graphic novel, which takes place in a world experiencing devastating maritime attacks throughout the 2050s”.
 
Now one Allen Stroud, a Coventry University lecturer and chair of the British Science Fiction Association, is an interesting character. He “took a leading role in Creative Futures, a research partnership involving prominent science fiction writers and MoD experts looking at the challenges the UK will face in the next century”.
 
Note “challenges the UK will face in the next century”!
 
“Stroud said challenges concerning future energy supply was one of the areas he believed was worthy of more scrutiny.”
 
I’ll bet it was!
 
Stroud wonders “how do you plan for something that is going to take 50 years at least before it materialises?” Well ….
 
“That’s where I think there is a benefit in having the involvement of people who can conceptualise what society could be like as far in the future as that.”
 
i.e. that’s where there is a benefit in having people who are good at generating a plausible script!

Clutching at straws
Clutching at straws
Jan 19, 2025 12:29 PM

I bet you all think you’re all good people.

Not Saints, maybe, but basically good.

I’ve just seen a post on social media about “hold traps”

Spring loaded animal traps that, unbelievably, are still widely used across North America.

I was horrified that this still went on and thinking about MLK’s reaction to the napalm victims, went straight out with a banner to make people aware of the horror and get it stopped.

Except I didn’t.

I was horrified, I was angry but it was too uncomfortable to face and I am too comfortable to act.

That’s why there’s a MLK jr. day

Real heroes are few and far between.

Howard
Howard
Jan 19, 2025 3:31 PM

If we tried to right the infinite wrongs humans do to animals, we’d wear ourselves out in about a week. It’s so telling that a people (such as the Palestinians) who are slated for extinction are dismissed as “human animals.” Never mind that ALL humans are animals, as opposed to vegetables or flowers.

Though isn’t it telling that some humans (those without recordable brain waves) are called vegetables. And some other humans are called pansies.

The point is, humanity belittles every other life form on the planet. All because their various gods gave this planet and its creations to humans and humans alone. In that regard, a certain climate and geoengineering activist constantly says “We’ve been terrible stewards of this planet.” It’s all I can do to keep from screaming every time he says it. WE HAVE NO RIGHT TO CONSIDER OURSELVES STEWARDS OF PLANET EARTH!

Nick
Nick
Jan 19, 2025 6:27 PM
Reply to  Howard

Can humans farm planet Earth, or exist without using and consuming other life forms?

Veri Tas
Veri Tas
Jan 19, 2025 11:35 PM
Reply to  Nick

Depends on what you mean by life forms. If you mean sentient life forms that is certainly possible….

Howard
Howard
Jan 20, 2025 3:14 PM
Reply to  Veri Tas

And of course humans have determined what is “sentient” and what is not. Plants have no discernible brain, so we refuse them sentience. And they have no say in the matter.

mgeo
mgeo
Jan 21, 2025 6:15 AM
Reply to  Howard

Humans are purportedly superior beyond question. They find themselves on a planet of automatons including plants.

Brian Sides
Brian Sides
Jan 19, 2025 12:11 PM

World War II was the deadliest war in history, with an estimated 70–85 million deaths. This included military and civilian deaths, as well as deaths from famine and disease.

  • Military deaths: Estimated 21–25 million military deaths, including about 5 million prisoners of war
  • Civilian deaths: Estimated 50–55 million civilian deaths
  • War-related deaths: Estimated 19–28 million deaths from famine and disease

When they can not estimate to the nearest million deaths you know how much they value the lives of those that they have decided to sacrifice .
How did they persuade so many to leave there families and home to try to kill people they had never met. How did they make the fear of being called a coward greater than the fear of dying or being wounded . The most successful mass brainwashing until Covid.
Although a lot more doubted Covid than they would have you believe.

antonym
antonym
Jan 19, 2025 12:34 PM
Reply to  Brian Sides

That is true for aggressor armies and soldiers, not for home defenders.

Brian Sides
Brian Sides
Jan 19, 2025 1:08 PM
Reply to  antonym

That you are defending your home or homeland is just another lie that they use to get you to join there pre planned wars. We can not wait till the enemy is at are doorstep. And attack is the best form of defence. We must come to the aid of are brothers overseas . The enemy is always the aggressor or that is what you will be told. The enemy always strikes first or that is the way it will be made to appear.
The first casualty of war is the truth. The enemy is not human they are beast but surprisingly at the end of the war they are no longer beasts , Russia is a beast then Russia is our ally then Russia is a beast again and so the lies continue.

antonym
antonym
Jan 19, 2025 1:19 PM
Reply to  Brian Sides

Jesus turned the other cheek and so did Gandhi copying him. Both went overboard with pacifism and died early as did their early followers.
Little cultural survival chance in a Roman, Islamic or CPC environment; possibly not even physical survival.
In the Mahabharata Krishna tells Arjun that battle is sometimes necessary even with own family, but only for a good, non selfish reason.

Clutching at straws
Clutching at straws
Jan 19, 2025 1:35 PM
Reply to  antonym

Fighting is in our DNA and for good reason.

I think what Brian Sides is saying is that the natural desire to protect is being weaponised against our own best interests by manipulation.

AntiSoof
AntiSoof
Jan 19, 2025 2:41 PM

I don’t feel like fighting is in my nature. I am neither a wild beast nor a senseless monster, I hope. At least, I don’t WANT that, so it’s not like that. It is a decision of the will. I want to be good. I want to be a Christian. I want to be good. And that devilish types abuse the goodness of others, then that is where the problem lies. Not with me.

Clutching at straws
Clutching at straws
Jan 19, 2025 5:46 PM
Reply to  AntiSoof

You and me are lucky we’ve never had to test your theory.

Brian Sides
Brian Sides
Jan 19, 2025 4:23 PM
Reply to  antonym

My late mother was a small kind women but she often talked about how she worked in a bomb making factory during ww2 My Father worked on the aircraft engines to help deliver the bombs. Just 2 decades later we went to live in an English camp in Germany my mother never met anyone whose relatives had been killed by the the bombs she helped make. But there was no hostility to us from the Germans when we were there.
My mothers twin sister married a German prisoner of war. But the war was never spoken about.
I grew up on military camps and could have easily become part of the military.
But I had started to find to about the lies around war before I was old enough to join.
Thanks largely to the anti war MAD Magazine

ariel
ariel
Jan 19, 2025 5:27 PM
Reply to  Brian Sides

‘What, me, worry?’

Jonathan
Jonathan
Jan 19, 2025 5:00 PM
Reply to  antonym

“Only warriors can be pacifists.”

You cannot abstain from violence if you aren’t capable of violence in the first place. There’s no virtue in simply being weak.

Martha
Martha
Jan 19, 2025 8:42 PM
Reply to  Jonathan

I’m probably capable of violence, but I want no part of it. Never have. I’m not weak. Come at me with a weapon & I’d likely say “go ahead. I want no part of your violent attitudes and violent world.” A violent world is destined for oblivion anyway.

Jonathan
Jonathan
Jan 20, 2025 4:03 PM
Reply to  Martha

The world will be fine.
People live and die no matter what.
No oblivion, just passage of time.

Surrendering your life in an attack will mean that you, a decent person, will be gone, and a violent thug will remain.

That’s rather selfish of you! The net result will be a worse world.

Howard
Howard
Jan 20, 2025 3:22 PM
Reply to  Jonathan

Weak and violent are not antonyms. Weak and strong; or else violent and non-violent are. Virtue is a separate matter.

antonym
antonym
Jan 20, 2025 1:17 AM
Reply to  Brian Sides

That’s how the US cabal wants you to think; forget the Second Amendment with its right to bear arms. Don’t fight back the Cabal.

morteth
morteth
Jan 20, 2025 9:30 AM
Reply to  Brian Sides

World War II was the deadliest war in history,

Not true!!!!

Religion has killed more than all the wars put together.

Howard
Howard
Jan 20, 2025 3:31 PM
Reply to  Brian Sides

In a manner of speaking, World War I was the deadliest war in history. If it didn’t kill the most people, it killed a way of life, a way of looking at the world and at humanity. Prior to World War I, the Enlightenment was the primary point of reference for intellectual thought.

People, in their (false) sense that humans had finally put their violent past aside, were made to see first hand – up close and personal – that man’s innate violent tendencies had gone nowhere but were simply lurking deep within just waiting to be brought to the surface.

It is no mystery why the aftermath of World War I was a period of great nihilism.

Vagabard
Vagabard
Jan 19, 2025 11:45 AM

The dead who come back to life could best elaborate on nostalgia’s role in the underworld.

So let’s see in what condition the 3 released Israeli hostage ladies are in later today (Sunday), as they pass from relative death back to relative life. As they return from that Hamas’ underworld of subterranean tunnels.

Were they nostalgic for better times in captivity? I would suspect so

Howard
Howard
Jan 20, 2025 3:34 PM
Reply to  Vagabard

I imagine also that many of the Palestinian children who saw their siblings and parents blown to bits are also nostalgic for the days when they still had a family.

mgeo
mgeo
Jan 21, 2025 6:17 AM
Reply to  Howard

That is almost the sin of anti-semitism.

Vagabard
Vagabard
Jan 21, 2025 4:37 PM
Reply to  mgeo

Hopefully just an assertion that victims on both sides of wars are created equal

Freed hostage says she ‘came back to life’

https://inews.co.uk/news/world/israel-releases-list-of-737-palestinian-prisoners-to-be-released-as-part-of-ceasefire-deal-3488095

George Mc
George Mc
Jan 19, 2025 11:42 AM

https://www.express.co.uk/news/politics/2001399/emergency-uk-pandemic-response

This is the 3 Rs: Repetition Repetition Repetition

And so yet another “Emergency UK ‘pandemic response’ to be rolled out” with millions of mobile phones getting a test emergency message “as the UK prepares for another crisis”.

“Another” crisis? Oh you mean a repetition of the scam? Seriously? You think anyone is going to fall for this … again?

“Thousands of health workers, police and local officials across the UK will take part in a massive nationwide exercise to prepare for another Covid-style pandemic.”

“Covid style”? It’s a kind of fashion thing now?

Now engage AI:

…determined to be ready if a health disaster hits a second time. … “We must learn lessons from the Covid pandemic as we cannot afford to make the same mistakes again.” … identify what is working well and what needs to be improved, as recommended by the official Covid inquiry which is still ongoing. …as prepared as possible for future pandemics. … resilience and preparedness …safeguard our citizens….”resilience” roles …a range of crises … a new pandemic …

 
These dreary channels (i.e. all the media channels) are now surely being run by software. You may as well watch a hamster wheel.
 

Veri Tas
Veri Tas
Jan 19, 2025 11:43 PM
Reply to  George Mc

There’s the red banner again, telling me I’ve already upvoted this comment when I have not!

Anyhow, this could be a meme: ““Covid style”? It’s a kind of fashion thing now?”

.

suzaloop
suzaloop
Jan 19, 2025 10:46 AM

Official cryptocurrency Trump Coin: How Did We Get Here?

The more I come hear the more it is difficult to not believe cttf and miles and many others in what they said about OD,
it is now been nearly 3 days since the BIGGEST dump and pump and cryptocurrency coin launch ever by President Trump this is DIGITAL ID done by stealth.
and Shockingly all the big so called freedom media outlets have said not much.
4 days ago kit and kaboodle was screaming how the U.K (labour) Bank of England was launching digital coin.
fuck thank for witneyy Webb a she called it a long time ago about Trump 2nd term

A SHORTISH explanation of thoses not knowing what is needed to have a cryptocurrency account which is sold by the freedom alt media as fighting the deepstate.LOL

For coinbase or binance (legal cryptocurrency site) the id needed for account is,

passport, driving licence, or both.

#face all id verification to confirm you not a bot and then can be done #several times during the application opening of account process.
#3 pin verification code so phone must be smart or iphone.
email that gets sent a pin and code.
#IP address as #VPN are a issue.
‘Inside geo location of your apartment house flat etc that must match with you
#Longitude latitude on your ip smart phone and #bill address.
if you work some where else they need that information to and proof.
#latest utility bill that they control what bill so you can send #3 different utility bills to be told they need a different one and 3 months worth of bank statement however they can also ask after you unloaded for other bank or building society statements.
~debit card and ~credit card
~NI number
#social security number
#tax code
#where did you get the cryptocurrency from is one of the questions.
#receipts for them, is in the small print and this information is all passed on to the government.

to make a withdrawal OMG I leave it there.

Clutching at straws
Clutching at straws
Jan 19, 2025 6:06 PM
Reply to  suzaloop

Crypto and CBDC are related but they’re not the same thing.

In fact, I would argue that they are opposites.

Crypto is the epitome of decentralisation.

Programmable CBDC is centrally controlled.

morteth
morteth
Jan 20, 2025 9:33 AM

You still need more DIGITAL ID to have a Crypto account than you would a normal bank account that is what is being pointed out.

antonym
antonym
Jan 19, 2025 10:05 AM

the English medical journal The Lancet reported that the death toll in Gaza in the first nine months as a result of Israel’s genocidal assault was about 40 % higher than reported by the Palestinian Health Ministry.

I lost trust in the Lancet after their intentional Covid19 origin sidetracking.
The Palestine Health ministry is even more unreliable.

It is impossible for Trump to act worse than Biden or Starmer so no more tears or fears.

A hundred billion US is going to be collected for the Gazans, so that makes USD 750,000 per family of 6. The whole third world would gladly join them in that money shower there but the UN created only one eternal refugee status ever 75 years ago, so too bad for them.
Rich victim is the best scam.

George Mc
George Mc
Jan 19, 2025 10:35 AM
Reply to  antonym

Rich victim is the best scam.

Well you’d know all about that.

Nick
Nick
Jan 19, 2025 6:35 PM
Reply to  antonym

Regarding reliable sources, did you trust Israeli government reports of 40 beheaded babies on Oct 7th? Biden did, and got a lot of egg on his face. As for Trump, he appears to have forced the Israelis into the peace deal, the same one Biden ignored for 11 months, as he used billions of Americans’ money to buy bombs for the genocide in Gaza.

Johnny
Johnny
Jan 19, 2025 9:58 AM

Kristi Noem will be Trump’s new Secretary of Homeland Security.
Have a read of her credentials.

Apparently she’s an expert at shooting family pets, for her own ‘convenience’:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kristi_Noem

Lookout all USians.

ariel
ariel
Jan 19, 2025 5:32 PM
Reply to  Johnny

Residents of South Dakota whom I trust have informed me that she is bad news, especially has been for the indigenous residents.

Nick
Nick
Jan 19, 2025 6:36 PM
Reply to  ariel

Didn’t native American voters switch to Trump this time?

ariel
ariel
Jan 19, 2025 9:29 PM
Reply to  Nick

P-resident Trump? I don’t know the answer, we were discussing Kristi Noem specifically.

Howard
Howard
Jan 20, 2025 3:38 PM
Reply to  Johnny

And yet, this same Kristi Noem was the courageous darling of the anti-Covid crowd because South Dakota was the only US state that did not observe any aspect of the “pandemic” schtick.

Johnny
Johnny
Jan 21, 2025 12:02 AM
Reply to  Howard

Nobody, I repeat, nobody, is gonna tell this Cowgirl what to do!

George Mc
George Mc
Jan 19, 2025 9:38 AM

I meant this remark to follow the one that’s in pending:
 
Actually that Dylan song (“Desolation Row”) is one of those that seem more pertinent with each passing year e.g.
 

They’re selling postcards of the hanging

They’re painting the passports brown

 
Our “hanging postcards” are now being provided by Israel with the opportunity to cheer on the carnage. And, going by the description of a work colleague about how difficult it is to get a passport these days (and all the other restrictions on flight), it may be that passports will be a thing of the past.

Johnny
Johnny
Jan 19, 2025 9:37 AM

More than one hundred and sixty years of mystery and crime novels and almost one hundred and twenty years of mystery and crime movies and STILL the Punters haven’t figured it out.

Slow learners or what?

judith
judith
Jan 19, 2025 1:13 PM
Reply to  Johnny

Just had the same thought earlier today!

People think all the MI6/CIA “terrorist” books and movies are just la la entertainment.

I read them vociferiously, and watch most of the spy series. Have for years. Finally it dawns on you – oh this isn’t made up stuff – this is real. This is it.

So at this point I think I’ve made some headway in reading between the lines of the media propaganda hourly, bullshite and I can piece together what is probably the real story.

But even then I know – uh uh, I don’t have a clue.

Veri Tas
Veri Tas
Jan 19, 2025 11:48 PM
Reply to  judith

How the CIA has infiltrated the MSM, Hollywood and even TED Talks

http://www.theverge.com/2015/4/27/8503821/cia-ted-talk-tedxcia-false-flag

George Mc
George Mc
Jan 19, 2025 9:32 AM

Pending

George Mc
George Mc
Jan 19, 2025 9:31 AM

For me, covid was such a shock because it demanded an acknowledgement of the true nature of the media which was clearly unified to a degree I hadn’t previously suspected. It also woke me up to the fact that my pre-covid assumption of cynicism towards the media wasn’t really cynical at all i.e. the pre-covid media cleverly prompted a lot of the “cynicism” itself e.g. members of the show “Have I Got News For You” adopting an “irreverent” attitude towards the media. I suppose on some level I must have been aware that these players were employed by the very media they were mocking but I must have been keen to gloss over that. After covid, it was no longer possible to stop the cynicism from arriving at its logical conclusion i.e. that nowhere on the media would you find genuine dissidence. And indeed, it was precisely the “dissident” part of the media that was most suspect.
 
 
Nevertheless, it was still tempting to allow nostalgia to hoodwink me into thinking that “things were different in the past”. That at some point there really was a “free media”. But this is due to a lifelong habit which cannot be easily ditched. It would, after all, be quite traumatic to reject every illusion from the past. But the “covid turn” and its implications cannot be avoided. Especially when it was those formerly revered “Rock Stars” who were pushing the vax.
 
 
How I shudder to recall that time when all those celeb stooges were eager to effectively trash their “legacy” in the service of this “good cause” e.g. Neil Diamond restaging “Sweet Caroline” with a negation of the “hands/touching hands” part. And then there was Dolly Parton turning “Jolene” into “Vaccine”. Some bastard even updated the Beatles’ “I Wanna Hold Your Hand” to “I Wanna Wash My Hands”!
 
 
But all of that only served to emphasise how “pop music” had been “co-opted” … or rather this realisation only served as a stepping stone towards the insight that it never needed “co-opting”. It was always part of the theatre. Still, I like to think that somewhere some things “got through” – at least some time. Dylan was definitely on to something here:
 
 

At midnight all the agents and the superhuman crew

Come out and round up everyone that knows more than they do

Then they bring them to the factory where the heart-attack machine

Is strapped across their shoulders and then the kerosene

Is brought down from the castles by insurance men who go

Check to see that nobody is escaping to Desolation Row

 
 
“Heart-attack machine” indeed. Though this device is no longer reserved for the troublesome truth seekers but is now meant for everyone. And that itself only goes to show the error of thinking that no matter how bad it is, it’s OK for you and it’ll continue to be OK for you. You may turn your eyes away from the unfortunate “disappearances” but eventually the midnight agents are going to come for you too. Indeed, they won’t even be operating merely at night but in broad daylight. And of course “for your own good”!
 

judith
judith
Jan 19, 2025 1:31 PM
Reply to  George Mc

The controlled media awakening for me happened while watching a college lecture series out of USC Santa Cruz by attorney Dan Sheehan called “Trajectory of Justice; the Eight Cases that Changed America”.

I watched the series twice through. It was better than netflix. I had lived through all eight cases, so was familiar. Sheehan was a litigator on all the cases,

Among the cases are Attica, the Pentagon Papers, The Karen Silkwood murder, Watergate, and the real Iran Contra. Also the assassination of Bishop Romero in El Salvador and it’s subsequent consequences.

Learning the truth behind those cases, and refecting on what we’d been lead to believe, was eye opening. Sheehan advises his students that he is showing them just what they will be up against should they decide to pursue a career in the Law.

It has nothing to do with truth.

I learned about Sheehan from watching a video of a 9/11 Truth Symposium sponsored by Prof Mark Crispin Miller. Sheehan was invited to speak to inform the 9/11 Truth Lawyers what they would be facing should they decide to pursue a lawsuit. He used the Karen Silkwood case as an example.

Staggering. Link to Sheehan lectures below

AntiSoof
AntiSoof
Jan 19, 2025 6:46 PM
Reply to  judith

I wouldn’t immediately use someone who talks about the climate like that as a source.

judith
judith
Jan 20, 2025 12:34 AM
Reply to  AntiSoof

I might not agree with everything he says or believes, but he has a mind like a steel trap.

His lectures on American History and the Constitution are fascinating.

Thom Crewz
Thom Crewz
Jan 20, 2025 2:08 AM
Reply to  AntiSoof

Gotta stay on the payroll somehow.

edwige
edwige
Jan 19, 2025 7:05 PM
Reply to  judith

Where is the transcript?

judith
judith
Jan 20, 2025 12:33 AM
Reply to  edwige

Not sure what you mean. The written transcripts of the lectures? I don’t know. Maybe they are not available.

edwige
edwige
Jan 19, 2025 7:07 PM
Reply to  George Mc

Thank you for saying “nevertheless” instead of “nonetheless.”

Veri Tas
Veri Tas
Jan 19, 2025 11:56 PM
Reply to  George Mc

Apart from the obvious realisation that advertising dollars steer mainstream media reporting (or lack thereof), I lost all respect for the MSM when I came across the confession of German former (now dead / murdered? ) journalist, Udo Ulfkotte:

Confessions of a journalist – CIA Puppets write our ‘News’:

German journalist Udo Ulfkotte, formerly a respected journalist for one of Germany’s main dailies, Frankfurter Allgemeine Zeitung (FAZ), talks about his past “non-official cover” for the CIA

Article with imbedded U-Tube video:
http://www.hangthebankers.com/journalist-blows-whistle-on-how-the-cia-controls-the-media-worldwide/

Johnny
Johnny
Jan 19, 2025 9:03 AM

Heaven forbid!
Telling the Truth about historical events or in the nightly news?

That’s a no, no.

They woke up to that after the reporting from Vietnam, and the ensuing public outrage and protests.

Never again