How believable is Banksy?
Kit Knightly
Two days ago, a new statue “appeared” in Waterloo Place, London.
Located between Pall Mall and Trafalgar Square and only a few hundred yards from Buckingham Palace and Horse Guards Parade – the new artwork depicts a man stepping off a plinth, blinded to his fate by the flag he’s carrying on a staff in his hand.
The resin statue is allegedly the latest work by guerilla artist Banksy, his signature appears on the lower corner and it has been authenticated by his official Instagram account.
The Pest Control Office – responsible for authenticating the anonymous artist’s works, have yet to comment.
You’ll note the quotes I put around the word “appeared” in the opening sentence. I used that word because that’s the word the media are using.
It’s the word used by the Arts Newspaper, for example. And the BBC. And CNN. And CBC. And the Independent. And the Smithsonian. And LBC. And NBC. And the Times of India.
And on the “trending topics” X page:
The I mixed it up a bit, going for “pops up” instead. And People added the word “mysteriously”.
But statues don’t just “appear”, do they? Mysteriously or otherwise.
They have to be made, transported and then placed. How was this done?
Well, the BBC attempts to answer this question in this article, which headlines “How Did Banksy Erect a Statue in Central London?”
And offers this explanation, via James Peak host of the BBC’s “Banksy Story” podcast:
He’s got a really big team who are a very, very experienced crew […] They’re the sort of dudes who can set up a Metallica concert in 24 hours: groovy folks but actually extremely organised and professional when it comes to getting things done […] They’ve probably surveilled the area, worked out what happens when, gone in the early hours with a low-loader truck and they probably sited it in a few minutes, at the quietest time possible.”
Banksy’s “really big team” of “groovy folks” even posted a video showing how to social media:
View this post on Instagram
This was all done without knowledge of, or permission from, the Westminster City Council, according to the BBC:
Westminster City Council has told the BBC it did not grant permission, as it was not given advance warning that Banksy’s team was planning this installation.
So, how will the the local authorities respond the appearance of this unsanctioned artwork?
You might think that police would be involved, and a team from Scotland Yard are going over the relevant CCTV footage even as we speak.
After all, there MUST be CCTV footage, right?
The statue was erected in one of the most recorded areas, of one of the most recorded cities, of the second most recorded country in the world.
So, you get names and faces and the license plate of their flatbed and hand out citations for illegal artwork construction or unlicensed sculpting or whatever the relevant laws might be.
And, of course, the statue will be removed.
Because London is a busy city – a busy city under a “severe terror threat” no less – so they can’t possibly just let people dump 20-foot statues around the place willy-nilly. After all, the next one might have a novichok dispenser hidden in it, or be carved entirely out of C4.
It’s the only rational response: Criminal investigation plus removal of statue.
These things are going to happen, right?
Not exactly.
A Westminster Council spokesman told the BBC:
“We’re excited to see Banksy’s latest sculpture in Westminster, making a striking addition to the city’s vibrant public art scene. […] While we have taken initial steps to protect the statue, at this time it will remain accessible for the public to view and enjoy.”
As of Saturday morning, a protective barrier has been erected around the statue, and there are no plans – as yet – to have the art piece removed.
So, it’s probably staying put for a while.
After all, it’s a “welcome note of calmness and humour”, according the BBC’s John Simpson…
Because that’s the world we live in, right?
We’re not oppressed in the least!
Sure, you won’t be able to drive without surveillance technology soon, and they want to track all your online activity, they might “have to” ban some protests…
…but if you and a “big team” of your “groovy” friends wants to rock up to the centre of London in a flatbed truck and do some anarchist artwork, you totally can and the authorities will not only be powerless to prevent you, they won’t even try and hunt you down afterwards!
Hell, if it’s good enough – or “a welcome note of calmness and humour” – they’ll even put a protective barrier around it let it stay up, with an avuncular smile for the daring anti-establishment scamps who so pricked Westminster’s pomposity. God bless’em!
But nobody wants to talk about this farce of fantasy-land world building, they all want to talk about the art and how meaningful it is.
And – surprise surprise – the critics love it.
And why wouldn’t they? The message is so topical! The poor fool is blinded by his flag – nationality, identity and tribalism are leading him off the edge of a cliff and he just can’t see it!
Maybe we should all have a lovely multipolar global government with no borders or anything!
It’s genius.
It’s like during Covid, when the anti-establishment anarchist Dread Pirate Banksy took the controversial stance of depicting nurses as superheroes to raise money for the NHS.
Take THAT establishment!
Banksy has done it again!
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Banksy is one of the biggest psyops of our time. Come on folks give your heads a shake and have a long hard think about it.
The insult to our intelligence has actually made me feel sick
Indeed nationalism is blind.
Nationalists worship their ideology blindly and in darkness. The object of their worship, a nation-state, is a creation of evil men.
Or the Devil.
Blindly believing the words of the government, the state, the occupational force infiltrating human societies.
And the state symbols are worshipped, too. You must not disrespect their sacred symbols!
What you must do is obey!
Their ideas. Their ideologies. Their religions. Their laws.
Nationalism as worship of the nation-state or any other imagined creation of man is indeed blind.
In the darkness of the Devil there is always conflict, always war.
And that war is against humanity.
Crimes against humanity are always committed by powers that we call the State.
Ignorance about the State is blindness. And blindness means one doesn’t know what one is doing and where one is going. One is like the statue by Banksy.
So yes, the artwork is brilliant.
How believable is Banksy?
I’m of the opinion that Banksy has serious connections.
I’m of the opinion that you are correct.
The argument that it’s not possible to mount a statue without being arrested is wrong. Even if there was someone watching the CCTV cameras, why would he call the police or think of a crime because of some construction work happening?
People with hard hats and equipment are considered normal.
The argument that it’s not possible for an artist to do anything subversive if the artist is not arrested, imprisoned or killed, is also wrong. That argument assumes that the powers that be are all-knowing and all-powerful.
They are not.
Again, missing the point. It’s not the fact they weren’t stopped in flagrante that is the real damning evidence (though it’s still pretty bizarre), it’s the fact they were not apprehended after the fact and even more that the Establishment flocked to praise the work and “Banksy”.
That’s not what happens when people genuinely attack the system. People who attack the system don’t get to flout the law with impunity. People who attack the system are sidelined, isolated, persecuted, smeared and mocked. The Establishment drones will either ignore them or denigrate them.
“Banksy” is a fictional idea of what being anti-establishment looks like. Try being genuinely anti-establishment and see if Alex Campbell and the Guardian sing your praises.
You make an excellent point.
The hypocrisy of it all is very clear.
There is a very similar theme across many past and current political issues. The “Free Palestine” movement, at least at the organizing level, is full of the establishment loving middle class demographic. Many with more in common with power than the people they supposedly represent. Most are very sympathetic with law enforcement when arrested, just not on camera for propaganda material. In custody (before being released within an hour of detention no less) they are like whipped Victorian schoolchildren adoring of their authoritarian masters and wouldn’t so much as fart without apologizing for the appalling atrocity they have just committed.
It’s also why many of them don’t get punished for their so-called “anarchism”, probably because its state sanctioned. All the most recent protests regarding anti-establishment rhetoric consists of the same themes, and strangely never gets reported on and often is encouraged but when the common folk hailing from some council estate take to the streets demanding why one of their own was victim of a heinous crime it’s all over TV and they are branding far-right extremists. The public can’t get enough of it and want swift justice for the offenders, that is, the protesters, not the criminals.
I read somewhere this was a gradual process that began in the sixties and seventies when government began infiltrating grassroot movements and compromising their capacity to have a voice on the real political stage. At least that was true in the US when the Vietnam war came about and then the war on drugs used to deliberately destabilize particular groups that threatened the then current administration and their agendas. In the UK the government has been dividing the population for a long time particularly taking aim at, and demonizing, the working class for generations and there’s lots to suggest over decades entire populations have been destabilized in order to make solving these issues through proper channels more difficult. The atrocities committed like in Rochdale and beyond regarding grooming gangs, failed multiculturalism and rampant failings at all levels of ordinary native people of the country. These people are branded as extremists while the never-ending extremism on the streets by the so-called “anarchists” continues unabated and is pushed on people endlessly as if completely acceptable.
BLM protests were no different. Most were highly educated privileged university students, many who had no real dealings with the problems they were claiming to be a victim of. And they sure didn’t want to live like their lower class counterparts who have experienced injustices. That was also encouraged and punishments for the depravity that unfolded was minimum but when people protest in the street over the death of innocent young girls in a working class part of Liverpool, it’s front page news and the participants are considered scum.
It makes you challenge what REALLY is anti-establishment. And this “artwork” is no different. If anything it’s spitting in the faces of all those who really contain within themselves deep resentment for the establishment in this country. It’s almost eerily convenient considering we have elections and much chaos ensuing over many contemporary issues. As you say, anti-establishment today is more virtue signalling than it is an actual legitimate stance and charlatans come and go on the timeline seeking to misdirect. Maybe Banksy is one of them? We know he’s never been thrown in jail for non-crimes like Julian Assange and probably never will but he can get closer to the seat of power in this country, erect a statue and continue on as a free man?
When a poor man can’t steal a loaf of bread from the multi billion pound empire that is Tesco without being vilified as the worst of the worst, so bad it has Daily Mail readers lapsing into a full blown psychosis, an “artist” can vandalize a public space with uncommissioned work in one of the most protected and surveiled part of the county and wait for it… Be congratulated!
Change the word ‘NEW comment’ for “artist” can visit a public space in one of the most protected and surveiled part of the off guardian comments and wait for it… Be congratulated! and be allowed to post and pass verfication when no one has ever heard or seen you before.
Do you think people dont recognize your style.
LOL
so cheap
The establishment knows quite well the monetary value of Banksy’s art sold in auctions.
The establishment doesn’t attack the millionaires who made their money selling Banksy’s art or the millionaires who can afford to buy art in auctions.
The question is: who do they think owns the statue?
Whose property is it? How much is it worth? Can someone sell it to another? Greedy minds want to know. They certainly wouldn’t destroy such a valuable thing, would they?
The statue is placed on land controlled by Westminster City Council and the Crown Estate. So they practically got a piece of art worth millions, if not more. Who would be so stupid and try to destroy it, remove it or even discredit it? It may belong to the King!
It is certainly not in the interests of the landowners to remove it or harm it. The statue may be worth a fortune, and money is all they care about.
The Establishment created the “value” of the work allegedly by Banksy, by publicising and praising it.
The idea that things happen and then the media tells you about them is deeply inculcated in us, but just not true. Reality happens every day but the media ignores most of it, spins and distorts the fraction it doesn’t ignore and then fills the rest of its output with lies. The media is there to tell you a story about the world, not to report on it.
“Banksy”‘s fame happened because the media focused on “him”, not the other way around.
And no, manifestly, money is not all the regime cares about. It’s not even the first thing it cares about. What it cares about most is the power to manipulate and impose its will on the masses. If it simply cared about money it would be a lot less pernicious and deadly.
Without the power of money, the state system would have no power and couldn’t even exist.
Latest Establishment endorsement of this fraud and “his” statue is from Alastair Campbell. Yes THE Alastair Campbell, war criminal and all round creep. Like OG say in their tweet, do we need any more evidence that this whole thing is bullshit?
https://x.com/offguardian0/status/2051742076241416516?s=61&t=DeTHcz57s1sFUaN4bfPS-w
It’s a power struggle between globalists/transnational capital establishment against combined national/religious/tech establishment, fighting over the hearts and minds of the people who have nothing in common with any of their self-serving interests
Guilty by association is a fallacy.
https://fallacyguide.com/fallacies/guilt-by-association
It’s not about “guilt by association”, it’s about the simple fact that subversive anti-imperialists DON’T get lauded and publicised by Establishment drones like Campbell and John Simpson, the BBC and all the rest.
The mere fact they are celebrating this statue is proof, if you still needed any, that the “Banksy” is a psy-op.
I find it very hard to believe you’re in good faith here, but if you are, I fear your naivety and credulity will be taken advantage of at some point.
Most of this thread is about blaming and guilting Banksy because of some far-fetched or imagined association.
What’s more realistic?
Banksy is known as a graffiti artist in and around the UK, EU, and USA .
He has been seen in many pubs and clubs within Bristol and Brighton.
Many made money from his screen prints back in the day,
works as an artist, builds a career, and establishes a cult following that becomes mainstream after 25 years.
He has helped thousands of artists and hundreds of different venues.
Pro -Palestinian.
Off the Guardian, and the fanboys call him a establishment shill.
How believable is Bob moran if we apply your logic.
Bob Moran works for the world-famous Torygraph (no one can get a job there unless you’re establishment and MI5 connected) , doesn’t do anything for anyone in alternative media or the truth movement pre this position,
No back story just placed into the Torygraph.
Entertaining the rich by slandering the poor.
Alleges he got sacked during COVID, given the highest seat at the table within the MAM alternative -media world with the sob story backstory that he was sacked for exposing COVID and earns more money NOW selling his art to MAM alternative -media believers.
No questions asked, and everything BOB does is reposted, even by this site and he is treated as royalty.
Your views to me seem lob sided.
I trust banksy more than I trust your BOB.
Banksy history is provable unlike your bob history is torygraph.
Alastair Campbell would agree with you. Does that give you a good feeling?
Touched a nerve with the Bob Moran brigade.
Now apply the same logic.
You wont.
Got some examples of Moran doing that?
Ok, so who is Banksy? Speculation aside, the official story is that no-one knows who he is, so therefore his history is NOT provable.
Amyway, what’s your obsession with Bob Moran about? Other than he is ‘right-wing’ in your mind.
Outside of alt-media circles he has been forgotten about and even before was only known to Torygraph readers.
Ask anyone who Banksy is in Britain or several other countries including the US and he is very well known, even teenagers have heard of him. His reach is far greater and therefore so is his use to shape the narrative.
Cf. Miri AF: If you know their name, they’re in the game.
Obviously this is an extreme stance and ultimately self-defeating. However, there is the seed of truth in that the more highly visible a personage is, the more likely (and indeed to the point of definitely) that they are a con.
The Banksy phenomenon is so laughably fraudulent that only a population whose minds have been liquidised by covid and transgenderism could fall for it.
Says the guy who endorsed JK Rowling when she was mainstream on her transgender views.
I never endorsed Rowling for anything. And pro-trans is mainstream. Rowling’s “anti-trans” stance was pathetically weak – just like Graham Linehan’s. And in any case, she was caught on the phony divide between the trans issue and the Israel issue. Though I am averse to gatecrashing OffG to flog my own wares, I cover the issue here:
https://georgemc189059.substack.com/p/zidiot-joy-showland
Rowling’s “anti-trans” stance was pathetically weak !!
the-trans thing like the same sex toilet thing is msm plus talking points.
Gbnews or off wokey comments are no different.
George, notice how ‘moonfly’ and other relatively new or even brand new commenters know your posting history intimately?
That is because theybare all the same person
George, notice how relatively new commenters like ‘moonfly’ and other relatively new or even brand new commenters seem to know your posting history intimately?
What are the chances of that? Unless they are stalker or an old commenter.
That is because they are all the same person, who by creating new monikers constantly over a several year period gives the impression of being different and new commenters. They usually run two or three concurrently at any one time.
Yes I have noticed that and it goes to reinforce the feeling that OffG has a team of assigned Trolls to monitor and “contain” the debate.
Appears using the ‘rightwing’ as his main argument to my comment.
Then uses pending as a form of control.
Now apply the same logic to your Bob Moran hero.
Bob Moran isn’t my hero, neither is Banksy. Yet, Banksy is clearly yours.
For someone who is very quick to scream everything is fake or controlled opposition – using your by now countless multi-IDs – you seem to be selective when it suits you.
I have noticed that it boils down to your politics. Since you think OffG is right-wing and you are left-wing, you knock them. It is another of your traits that gives you away as the infamous multi-IDer.
In Banksy’s case he is sold to the public as being anti-establishment and left-wing. That is good enough for you, no critical thinking required. If he was your defintion of right-wing, then you would be calling him a fraud.
Talk about hypocrisy. By the way, I don’t control pending – Admin do.
That would explain a lot. I keep seeing “reincarnations” of the same tone and sentiments. I’m guessing that OffG is plagued by numerous trolls with multiple heads. Or maybe just the one troll as Cthulhuian monstrosity. That is not dead which can eternal lie etc.
First things first.
We are, in order of significance:
Beings.
Human beings.
Earthlings.
Lovers (if we’re lucky).
Woman or man.
Daughter or son.
Mother or father.
Brother or sister.
Friend.
Comrade.
Artist.
Bus driver, teacher, cleaner, nurse etc.
Then, well down the list:
French, English, Chinese or Calathumpian (Depending on the labels slapped on us by the Turds at the Top.
And last and least of all, Christians, Muslims, Hindus etc etc ad infinitum.
First things first.
Globalism is not the opposite of Nationalism.
They are two heads of the same ugly, insatiable beast.
Localism, or care of the people and the Earth around us, is as much as we can do as individuals on this vast, diverse planet.
Nationalism, religion and globalism were conjured up by the Ruling Class to control the Useless Eaters.
History is the proof
One wonder just how much of taxpayers cash, the English PM wants to give to Ukraine – after Starmer, met with EU bigwigs to join the mega-billion loan scheme – that’s to be given to Ukraine.
Meanwhile British and EU citizens struggle desperately with rising cost on everything from food to fuel.
I’m of the opinion that much of the funds given to France to “stop the boats” is actually covertly diverted into the Ukraine fund.
They’re both fake “wars”
That is totally believable, every time you see those folk on the rubber dinghies the dinghies are new looking and everyone has a brand new life jacket on – which looks very suspicious to me.
The rubber dinghies alleges is over the top.
Erich Fromm viewed nationalism as a dangerous, irrational form of “group narcissism” and a modern equivalent to primitive idolatry.
“Nationalism is our form of incest, is our idolatry, is our insanity. ‘Patriotism’ is its cult…Just as love for one individual which excludes the love for others is not love, love for one’s country which is not part of one’s love for humanity is not love, but idolatrous worship.”
How very “multipolar” and super kewl of you to be posting this. I’m sure it feels great to be instep with the Guardian the UN and WEF on this.
Nonsense!!
I, respectfully, disagree. My love for my country does not supercede my love of freedom and justice.
Why shouldn’t we all love our countries, our cultures, our heritage? (If we choose to).
Why should we not take pride in our communities?
Love constitutes caring. If we all truly cared for our communities, where’s the harm?
Greed, avarice, cheating, killing, blackmail, control and murder are not manifestations of love – for one’s country or otherwise.
Love of town, country, community and culture – nationalism – is being used and contorted in support of globalism. It’s a shame.
It is an abomination what colonialism and now globalism has done.
Many years ago, I too read some of Fromm’s essays, and there is some truth to what you’ve cited above.
However, we – as a group, so as not to say nationality or culture – do feel more comfortable when we are surrounded with people aligned with our values, such as personal liberty without impinging on the liberty of others, rather than being confronted with people either with vengeance in their hearts or with a supremacist mindset.
I think more than anything else that is what’s currently driving the back-to-nationhood feeling we in the West have.
In all fairness it could have been installed in 15 minutes though Banksy is obviously favoured by the ruling class given the amount of publicity he receives.
Go on then – you try it. And don’t forget to video yourself doing it and then upload the video to YT.
Let us know how it works out.
Exactly, a 4 metre high statue even made of resin placed on top of a 4 metre high plinth in central London surrounded by government offices and foreign embassies, would need a large white van or lorry which pulls up in the middle of the night to place it on the plinth with a crane.
Then it had to be secured properly to the plinth, since if it fell off as it is balanced using one fixing point ie the back foot, due to the forward centre of gravity in the air, it could land on someone’s melon.
Even 15 mins for a bunch of cowboy builders would be impossible. The job took hours and I bet they screened off the plinth while it was done. Health and safety officers then signed off on the job.
Nah. It’s been designed to be installed quickly. See comment above
I’m only speculating on the time taken to instal. It’s quite likely it was waved through by officialdom
Exactly, that was what I was saying.
Anyway, the plinth is made from stone and already was there.
Sorry, I’ve got other things on my plate. But if I were to do it I would construct the plinth and statue as single pieces, use 2 trucks, one piece on each. Each truck equipped with a small crane, each piece shackled to the crane line. Pull up, place the plinth in position and then drop the statue into place. The statue is most likely constructed of resin or lightweight material and is hollow to save weight. An extended rod from the statue base which would fit into a hole in the plinth. Could easily be done in 15 minutes.
Friends in high places.
Was your site just knocked offline?
The only thing less believable than Banksy is the ludicrous pomposity of some of the butt hurt comments. Obviously this is considered a key subject for the agenda pushers and they send their little trolls to chirp fake outrage as soon as anyone dares question this myth and its brain-numbingly ridiculous latest iteration, that “ooh how edgy, Banksy is condemning nationalism” statue.
How many exactly.?
“(A)ll of life presents itself as an immense accumulation of spectacles. Everything that was directly lived has moved away into a representation.” (Guy Debord)
I’m reminded of Andy Warhol, who spoke, autobiographically, of fifteen minutes of fame defining the (ir)reality of ‘our’ world, mediated by news du jour moving us along streams of consciousness mistaking motion for action. We act out our powerlessness on platforms enclosing a world curated for our infotainment, while the PTB carry on staging events to create the material conditions of our greater captivity.
“(W)hen we act, we create our own reality. And while you’re studying that reality — judiciously, as you will — we’ll act again, creating other new realities, which you can study too, and that’s how things will sort out. We’re history’s actors . . . and you, all of you, will be left to just study what we do.” (Karl Rove)
(What’s with the either/or nationalism v. globalism binary? Why can’t both be false choices made for us as well?)
Why do they both have to be false?
When the choice is nationalism or globalism – choose localism ?
Localism is a root of Nationalism.
Because there are unlimited other possibilities that they make sure never see light of day.
Given the nature of human beings, and the requirements of living on this planet, are there really that many actual possibilities?
who is ”frothing at the mouth”. by censoring a difference of opinion.
huh?
he/she/it skipped their meds
OffGuardian@OffGuardian0
We seem to have touched a nerve with this #Banksy nonsense. We have people in our comments section frothing at the mouth because we dared to point out the absurdity of the narrative and dear old Banksy’s touching record of promoting establishment agendas such as the climate scam. Some seem to think we are trashing the artwork, which of course we aren’t. But it’s easier to attack us for that than to deal with anything we actually said.
https://x.com/OffGuardian0/status/2051016292988334237
Absurdity of the narrative – apply this to Bob Moran.
the funniest part is how raging mad a few people get when their cherished heroes are exposed as government mind control initiatives. I saw OffGuardian’s tweet about their comments so came to check it out, absolutely hilarious anyone is trying to defend this unbelievably stupid low IQ story. The artwork is just meh too.
Bot!!!
wow, rude. I wasn’t even talking to you, but you made my point anyway.
WTF.
She writes a reasonable comment and you call her a bot. Someone new who probably now thinks what a bunch of rude See You Next Tuesday’s.Then you blubber like baby throughout the article in a million different comments about poor you being censored, which clearly you ain’t.
Man up and don’t be a pussy.
The typical name calling epithets without any point of view but negative. You lose.
In all fairness the same people who claimed London is crime ridden and police dont poilce CCTV everywhere, now all upset that someone installed a statue and wasnt caught.
The funniest part is the double standards.
You don’t mean in these comments, because there is no one doing that here. And the point isn’t that he wasn’t caught you dimwit, it’s that he WOULD have been caught if he was a genuine subversive. Are you that dim or just pretending for spook reasons?
Your reply is like a bot dumping everyone’s opinion while stating none yourself. The article is bad, defending it is bad, and Banksy’s artwork is bad? Black hole Bot, whether human or not.
Barking up the wrong tree here. While this side platforms an illustrator, that calls himself a painter, of hackneyed sentiments, Banksy who in almost every work has something to say of intelligent sociallly relevant perceptions, is torpedoed? WTF? Pick your battles well folks. Banksy is not humanity’s enemy. Nationalism is. It’s the vehicle that an elite use to mass corral a population to man their imperialist neocolonial exploits on less powerful countres and regions. All the while waiving a flag of pride for the settler colonialist homeland. And on the other hand, being anti nationalist is not being pro-globalist. Another false binary trap where everyone should know better! Freedom for god’s sake!
The idea that this lightweight resin (probably fiberglass) sculpture could not have gone up without PTB assistance/approval is ridiculous. Is all the graffiti that goes up at 3:30 am a conspiracy of the system to demoralize the populace? Or is it a statement against a demoralizing system? I suppose the theft at the Louvre with a crane in broad daylight was also an inside job? Are the PTB just totally infallible in their execution of every act within and without society? Cheesus Cryst mon! Critiques like this must make the PTB thrilled to the bone. They don’t have to do anything at all, actually. Just let the world happen and the blithering paranoids will provide more confusion than they could ever do on their own. Just take a look at Dismaland and tell me this is not an act of pure hilarious and accurate genius…
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dismaland
Or the shredded painting at auction…
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Love_Is_in_the_Bin
That the “system” accepted the shredded art, even pumping it up as now more valuable, and making money in the process, is not his fault. But he did clearly snapshot the “system” as idiotic, vapid and unconscionably greedy and corrupt, receiving useful cash from the vapid to continue. Stellar work of wide exposure and exquisite brilliance. A real artist, and artworks, of value, thank you!
OG offer zero critique of the art, they’re just questioning the plausibility of the narrative of how it got there – which is frankly ridiculous.
What’s got you so worked up?
Continual, unabated cynicism by a few OG writers. They know absolutely nothing about the visual arts, nor politically effective visual artworks, and speak from a place of ignorance feigning authority of knowledge. “Is Banksy Believable?” Is OG believable? These issues are irrelevant but hashed over and over uselessly. Banksy made a point. Nationalism like the US, and the West use to fuel hyper-bankruptcy-fund war empire (including and particularly NATO), is blind insanity (man’s face covered by the flag). Instead of applauding this perception, and the incredibly brilliant visible act of subversion, regardless of system supplication, the author attempts to insinuate Banksy as part of the problem. They promote Jordan Henderson’s work that is political illustration, not art. It’s an intellectual weakness and an indicator of ideology over reality.
They didn’t say a single thing about the artwork itself, as I already pointed out. They certainly didn’t “feign authority”. I just don’t know what you’re talking about frankly.
The whole piece is just relating the official story of how the statue got there and then quite politely pointing out the holes in that narrative. What’s wrong with that? It is a blatantly silly story. So far as I can see your problem is you don’t like the holes in the Banksy story being pointed out and more important you don’t like OG’s political position.
That’s why you dislike Jordan Henderson, for the same reason. That’s ok, but you should be honest. Don’t make out like the piece is saying things it isn’t saying and use that as an excuse to basically be insulting in a quite dishonest way. The Banksy story doesn’t add up and OG said so and it upset you, the rest is just you trying to justify an emotional response.
“Is Banksy Believable?” That’s the title. It goes on to describe that Banksy is being “allowed” to continue his public art detournements. “Allowed” means not blocked and approved by the PTB. Why would the fascist PTB promote, approve, sponsor anti-fascist art that is hyper accurate in diagnosing their evils, with ironic humor yet? They don’t. Look how many graffiti artists and political artists in the 10’s of thousands whose work never sees light of day in media and careers silently quashed by the system of silent gatekeepers, which now extends to this side of the political spectrum. I am one of them along with hordes of others. Little bugs they squash.
What I said was, there’s nothing they can do to stop him and they don’t want martyrs. If their minions in the press, some they can’t control either, speak positively, they just STFU and take it. As long as it’s just a few. This is not the same as allowing it. Look at what Germany has done to CJ Hopkins with literally a criminal relentlessness. His work is no more or less valid than Banksy’s and he is being crushed like a insect. The point I am making is that the issue here is seeing through the fog of various ideologies to value that which is truthful and accurately critique the system. CJ is a perfect example. But also is Banksy. Just look at the depth and breadth of his work, actions and content. They are impeccable, as Don Juan would say. This article, like so many here, go after the wrong target and in the act undermine those who are allies in getting to solidarity and later, freedom. When y’all say this article does not criticize Banksy’s work, that’s false. Y’all who are critical of my comments are definitely hatin’ on Banksy here. That’s a critique of his work as complicit to the PTB’s intent. This is a false take on Banksy’s intent and works.
As far as Jordan’s work goes, he is dogmatic about what he calls authentic art works, going wide afield from political arts into modern art movements with petty arguments based upon western civilization’s tradition “realism” painting, a small slice of what the infinite nature of painting and art actually can be. This is a kind of conservative dogmatism that drowns out other perfectly logical potentialities with blanket ideological quashes.
In the larger picture, I am arguing for more openness of critique, of possibly taking in and researching things more assiduously before making judgements, like are made in this article.
For “continuing unabated cynicism” read “they made me realise what a gullible idiot I was to ever believe this absurd adult fairytale dished out for me by the shits in charge who know my psyche better than I do”.
I did not get that impression from the piece.
It only spoke to me about the narrative.
My first thought on seeing the statue, before I even read Kit’s post, was “how did that get there?”
I don’t know anything about the artist Banksy, have only heard his name. If he wants to put up statues, well done him.
But come on, in the middle of London? In the middle of the night?
I wonder how long a vaccine needle depicting death and injury would have stayed up.
I have a political artist comrade and she has had a giant 3D cartoon hypodermic needle on the top of her car since the LOCKDOWN. She drives all over town with and it’s still there. It’s her right and she has the guts to express herself.
Having read quite a lot of your comments here and always thinking of you as a pretty clued in person I’m stunned to see you not only fall for this transparent establishment project called “Banksy”, but so blatantly and abusively misrepresent the article.
And no, nationalism is not the enemy. How can you even say that with a straight face when in doing so you’re parroting so many Guardianistas. We are daily being instructed to reject nationalism and embrace “multipolarity.” And once again “guerrilla artist” Banksy and his groovy team is batting for the New Normal side.
I am a contemporary artist of 75 years. I know what’s going on with the banksy phenomenon. He’s beyond system control when the collectors are all over his shit and the public nearly unanimously approves of his work and how he places it subversively. He gives the PTB a plausibly deniable opponent that would be dangerous to throttle, creating a martyr. They just let him be ’cause they can’t do anything else. There is no other choice but to make the statements that need to be made to build human consciousness toward realizing long standing truth. He does that and we should all appreciate ANY expressions of the truth. Cynicism towards any and everything, like expressed by some authors here, is self-destructive. Imho.
Right then, you admit this “Banksy” is being permitted to do what he does and the media story is nonsensical, which is in fact exactly what OffG is saying.
You just offer a rather improbable excuse for why he has this approval from the authorities – ie they’re too scared to stop him. Which really doesn’t hold up to any analysis,
What’s interesting is you react as if the art itself has been denigrated when the article only dismantles the process by which it got there. A process which you actually agree can’t exist in the way the media presents it.
You don’t like OG’s “cynicism”? But it’s not cynicism is it because you admit yourself what anyone not brain dead can see – that the authorities must be
at very least giving a tacit nod to the statue being there or “Banksy” and his improbable collective would have been either arrested in situ or traced after the fact and picked up.
So what is the actual source of your rage? And why do you express it by defending the art itself as if it had been attacked, and slapping labels on OffG that obviously don’t apply?
Overton window in the comment section.
“He’s beyond system control” and “he places it subversively”. I’m guessing he must have used the Star Trek transporter to beam it in without opposition or surveillance.
Nationalism in the West has become a dirty word among the chattering classes. It has been associated through propaganda with the ‘knuckle dragging’ working classes who the managerial classes enjoy sneering at. Yet, strangely they have no issue with Chinese, Indian, Pakistani, Ukrainian or any other type of nationalism.
Nationalism does not have to equate to imperialism and nor should it. Western citizens were and still are propagandised about the importance of identity through identity politics, be it sexual, gender, race or religion, all the while the Western regimes chipped away at the cultural identities and heritage of their original citizens ie white Christians (non-practising for the most part).
Nowhere in the world are there so many self-haters as in the West. This mindset does not exist in Asia, Africa, South/Latin America. The white race is going the way of the dodo, since it is on a suicide mission.
Now, some may think that is a good thing but the question they should be asking is who REALLY benefits? Which ethno-religious group is actively involved aiding mass migration into the West and the destruction of national cultural identities and the dumbing down of its peoples? These are rhetorical questions which you should already know the answer to.
Whatever the rights and wrongs of nationalism, it maybe the only thing that will prevent the extinction of a whole race of people.
https://kfoundation.org/krishnamurti-the-first-and-last-freedom-on-nationalism/
What ahistorical rubbish. Only the West uses nationalism as an energizer of violent empire. The sculpture was placed in front the UK political apparatus. The apparatus that was possibly the worst most cruel and selfish imperialst empire on Earth and one that panders to US evil like a sycophant.
Nationalism among other worthy aspects to ones life, like family, community, common sense, even language, has to be dismantled to usher in the new totalitarian regime – you appear to be fully on board with that – I’m most definitely not!
Don’t you see that your argument is a false binary one they love to trap people in? Nationalism does not include family, community, common sense or language. The opposite of nationalism, contrary to the false binary you are calling up, is not totalitarianism or globalism. It’s anti-nationalism and it’s flags that are banners for war and empire. That’s what I’m against.
Nationalism contains all the things you say it doesn’t.
https://www.etymonline.com/word/nation
Anti-nationalism is contrary to human nature.
The nationalism that myself and Banksy are talking about is like it’s simple definition here at Webster’s and drives war and empire…
1 : an ideology that elevates one nation or nationality above all others and that places primary emphasis on promotion of its culture and interests as opposed to those of other nations, nationalities, or supranational groups
see also economic nationalism
2 : support for and promotion of the political independence or self-determination of a nation or people
3 : a nationalist movement or government…
I read the Dismaland wiki you linked to. I find nothing real world credible about it. In fact it’s even more obviously bogus than the statue.
The exhibition remained in place for a month, openly sold tickets, but, took over an entire council-run deserted lido. Again, no prosecutions, no legal redress.
Believing things like this can happen spontaneously with zero approval from the PTB is a manifestation of quasi-religious faith, or some equivalent of believing in fairies.
I suspect you don’t in your deepest heart really believe the story at all, or you would be out there trying it for yourself and assuming you’d be let go with a wink and a smile.
I stand by the fact that Dismaland is a brilliant art event and critique of this rotten ass system. Yes, it is possible for an event to be permitted, secretly spun into an event that brought the locality 20M in income and still have some of the best political public art experiences of a lifetime for masses of the public. That many here are so cynical to think EVERYTHING in existence is controlled and EVERYTHING allowed a view by the public is a controlled scam, is sad. And evidence that the system, without doing a thing, is protected by their enemy’s self constructed cynicism negating all signs of glorious rebellion.
Art the establishment likes or promotes is not the art for me.
Like Bob Moran from the Telegraph.
Now a mega star within this community earning more money that he would do
working for the ToryMI5graph.
Let’s just look at the thing itself, as Heidegger would have it. There is nothing on the flag, no head on the marcher. Therefore it could represent anything. And so, nobody is hurt. Nobody is offended. No hate speech has been committed. Whatever side you are on, you can say that statue is the other side. Deep.
Thought experiment: what if someone now surreptitiously painted the flag on that Banksy statue dark blue, then painted 12 golden, five-point stars — or perhaps a NATO northstar — on that flag. Do you suppose that any arrests would follow? Or would The Guardianistas celebrate such an act a ‘symbolic resistance’? 😂
One blue six-point star
I am sure Banksy’s solidarity with Palestinian causes that amounts to 30 million, including rebuilding many of the bombed settlements.
The articles has nothing to do with that!!!!
Two fake stabbings a few days back, and now they want to ban Palestinian marches.
No mention of that.
We are scraping the bottom of the barrel with this hatchet job on this one
OG,
TR News , Breitbart , and Danny Tommo’s website would be proud of.
Nailed it. Right on my friend! OG has in many ways sabotaged it’s own credibility with unwarranted crucifixions of positive cultural expressions or limitless condemnations of anything coded as “woke”, previously termed “politically correct”. Reminds me of the fire and brimstone preacher rants. .
And so, the guy picks and chooses his topics. One for the good side, one for the bad. And quite a few artworks with no topic, or every topic, depending on how you look at it, like this one.
Any diehard fan knows there is a certain pub in the Cotswolds where, on occasions,
you may see Mr. Liam Gallagher and his partner, Debbie, frequented.
A certain ex-fan called out Liam for COVID.
True to the stories you hear about Liam, he got in this guy’s face big time.
Liam explained that Richie (Ashcroft) and he rewrote a record that had everything he needed to say in it.
He was a musician; that was all he could do. as an artist.
Matey brought him a drink, which Liam never touched, and it was left on the table.
Matey was asked later on not to come back to the bar.
Whilst I disagree with the “not allowed to come back to the bar” part,
I checked out this video Richard Ashcroft did with Liam Gallagher,
and also Richard Ashcroft refusing to do any gigs or shows with any promoter that had a vaccine certification policy.
Both have massive record deals and are kind of establishment-owned.
I respect their art. More so now, I understand Liam also produced that record.
I respect Banksy for his art and support of Palestinian causes and what they have gone through.
Does that make me a control-op shill.
Or stupid.?
Maybe to the first, definite yes to the latter.
Since it’s the nationalists’ ox being gored in this case, the artwork has to stay. Meanwhile, in Providence, RI: https://turnto10.com/news/local/mural-ukrainian-refugee-iryna-zarutska-that-sparked-backlash-to-be-removed-snow-street-providence-rhode-island-march-30-2026
They say that murder was a hoax. It does look kind of fake on the video. You know, the idea is to whip both sides into a frenzy.
“Weird Scenes Inside the Canyon.”
https://daily.jstor.org/was-modern-art-really-a-cia-psy-op/
A hearty, focused and committed nationalism is the UK’s (the West’s) only hope, or it will soon cease to exist as a unique culture and people.
Yeah, duh. When I suggested modern art was just CIA, the art lovers on here threw a hissy fit. When I said my monkey could do that, they tut-tutted to beat the band.
“The real name of Banksy is Robin Gunningham, who later changed his name to David Jones. This identity was revealed through a major investigation by Reuters, which analyzed public records and travel data. Banksy has maintained his anonymity, which has been central to his brand and the high market value of his works.“
Like Robin Hood 😂
Robin of Locksley stands for England.
I can’t say for sure if Banksy is or isn’t part of the establishment, but murals like this one certainly hit the mark with the current kangaroo trial of the Filton Six.
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Great bit of art.
Banksy is clearly ‘deep state’ or have very good connections – otherwise the media or the authorities would have exposed him long ago. Quite likely those England flags that appeared up lampposts last summer were similar. You always know they are up to something because the media looks the other way, the CCTV doesn’t work and the perpetrators aren’t ‘found’. They are just gaslighting the public with Banksy and the flags.
💯
They just haven’t been bothered to do any do diligence.
Usually it is right leaning ‘deep state’ media outlets that do the fake out of date exposing.
So you can become depended on them for news and viewership.
So, just for shits, care to explain what “fake out of date exposing ” is?
Is this some unbelievably dumb attempt to try to make being a gullible idiot cool?
The real hip where it’s at guys just believe everything Big Bro tells them, right, no “exposing” for them. It’s out of date, who needs it. Just tires the brain.
Oh, and is it ok to “depend” on state sponsored outlets for “news and viewership”?
It’s just those little indy outfits that are trying so hard to mislead us.
Very sub par trolling woolee old son.
The place is crawling with them recently. The infamous long time multi-ID troll has been churning out new IDs for this article plus there were a few newbies (spook types) who hit the multipolarity articles hard then vanished in a puff of smoke.
Apparently statues and immigrants can just appear overnight.
Maybe Bansky is an immigrant 😉
Bankski.
How dare you show your prejudice against fine-upstanding statues of nothing who have appeared out of nowhere just like your own ancestors to make a life for themselves.
The name often carries the signature of its maker.
You are provided with narratives by which to shape and support your avatar/identity in story.
I find the rather smug anti-narratives share the same lack of curiosity as the ‘control’ narratives.
Judgement can be called decision or conclusion.
What if Everything is in truth Open?
The ‘anon’ narrative or masking persona can represent anyone or any team.
While I often refer to a world of lies or the split (pathological) mind that projects them, I do hold for a true world that holds and shares true blessing. But to restore such a sanity calls for releasing the fixation of a mindset in grievance.
I do see the ‘evil’ or deceiving narrative of gaslighting -ie guilting fear and threat narrative, but I also hold for and share in the Holy Spirit of a true discernment.
Wholeness doesn’t belong to ‘religious narrative’ curation either – but to all – without exception.
If you at some level consent to ‘get lost’ in the experience of a ‘self-will’ – would not the part of you that is aware of wholeness and unwilling to ‘separate’ even in concept, be the ‘bridge of your truth restored as your true awareness?
Regardless what anyone or anyone else may think, intend or do, it is my decision as to the meanings I give and accept and live from. The self-will runs a circular self-reinforcing bubble of judgements that are partial, limiting, dividing and framing of rules and filters that develop the terms and conditions for transaction and exchange in the world so generated – and contested as a predicated war on reality/distortion of truth.
To bring the act of decision out from its hiding place or defence complex, into the light of a simple clear presence may first require the loosening and releasing of otherwise ‘locked down and lockstepping’ beliefs, convictions and dictates – in our own mind.
How be-livable is a loveless or joyless existence propped up or boosted by – whatever self-medicating or self augmenting mitigation and diversion from a ‘lack-driven’ life cast or presented as a face of control?
Tolerance for pain (I include meaninglessness within pain in life) is not infinite.
My sense is that those who stir or respond to the call to joy (The call to wake in wholeness) will release the sacrifice of love to control, one step at a time, such as to join and share in the living – by releasing the ‘dead’.
While those ‘who want it darker’ will double down in self illusion by intensifying its dictate as their saviour in death, vengeance and defiance of a life they can not see or share in, because they only see what guilt and fear dictate.
Bottoming out as the tipping point of a fundamental shift of consciousness is not IN the world of the control-addict, but its utter lack of true foundation revealed —to immediate replacement by the grace of true being. It’s not that The Father rushes in – so much as our projection of love’s denial ceases to operate as an exclusion zone. Love never left the mind that thought to run off in its own image.
How believable is anything? – is the test of whether you want it. Whether in truth you are willing to accept it as part of who and what you are now.
You don’t have to Do anything to deny the lie and the father of it, but be whole in doing as an extension of being. Of thought and feeling as an unfolding fulfilment. Joy in our day and the moment at hand is a matter of honouring connection or communication and exchange.
Coming ‘back’ into natural presence is also the awareness or noticing of any interjections, interruptions or ‘attacks’ on your peace—instead of their glossing over as a narrative continuity of seeking fulfilment externally or from outside your sense of self-lack and limitation.
be-living can be consciously aligned to serve and prepare for knowing being—without triggering the recoil to an ego of projective definitions.
Having sketched that out I went to see what the actual ‘banksy’ depicts this time.
OK – whatever it may be for you that flags, symbolises or signifies the identity you march or rally under – it operates a self-blinding concept or ideological capture.
The boot of a past made in anger stamps on the present as it marches to a future forever…
Or rather to a past never released and a future thus aborted. And so the Show Goes On!
With all the attention we give it.
So down to earth, Banksy is from a bank?
I use Banksterism for systemic financial fraud and a rigged or captured control system. The capacity to leverage institutions, governments, media and public is a much wider application of their device for repackaging toxic debt-conflict into narratives, big lies or variant strains of the ‘noble lie’ by which to manage perception and thus shape response to intended outcomes.
banking on ‘futures’ is an investment seeking to minimise risk by offsetting to ‘othereds’ or ‘socialising the pain to maximise private profit’.
i don’t see ‘THEM’ as homogenous or unified – by anything except alliance of self-interest – that may be internalised as systemic capture relative to protected investments.
So I allow for differences and divergences of perceived self-interest.
I also stay open to different ‘messaging’ operating to different targets or audiences.
That Banksterism is deeply involved in restructuring the human order on all levels is simply part of the world I am born and raised in. I can call it other names; why steal kingdoms when you can steal the mind by which they think, communicate and exchange.
But the management of minds, emotions and perceptions carries consequences that also have to be managed – unless you are a hit and run opportunist.
Banksyi-sm is a bit like Q or the organised ‘Resistance’ in ‘1984’.
perhaps its critical that the belief that there is one is kept alive as part of the management script?
But what I sketch out is not engaging with or fighting lies in their own framing.
What is framing but the context of intention or purpose that runs beneath the pretext or provocation for baiting engagement?
“How believable?” might be rephrased as how willing are you to accept as real or true for you?
I can believe there is a new statue as shown, but who put it there and for what purpose?
I live my own purpose. the symbol I see in this one might serve a waking up from polarised false flagged identity conflict, but I wouldn’t bank on it outside my own decision. You may see whatever serves you – as you currently define and accept yourself to be.
I once read that CIA mind control programming had taken some ‘targets’ so deep into dissociation that there was some movement to bring them back. But what do I know! I feel that not all who are aligned in the ‘restructuring agenda’ are set on destruction of humanity, but some are – or some facet of our minds runs a psychopathic hatred of life (deep or demonic self-hatred).
But it runs dark while fronting as power of protection against projected or predictive risk.
The question really is: How believable is it ? your pro free speech and pro art.
Lets see,
Graffiti was put up in towns and cities from before the break-dancing era , from ” fuck the I*A” to “no **** in the union jack,” to “free Tibet.”
If you followed the inception, you’d notice he is taking the mickey.
Graffiti put up in towns and cities was against them for controlling , and people were angry.
I showed real examples of what I called not for and pro art ⏫ .
I don’t agree, BUT I will allow their art or expression. You don’t . You have a low tolerance for any form of expression that doesn’t suit your world view.
Now towns and cities pay artists who they would have imprisoned for graffiti to decorate bridges and shops, and it is not called art.
You called it graffiti and wanted people imprisoned for it. So do your hardcore commentators. Hypocrites.
Banksy is real, as his art is cutting edge.
What happens is his underground following, which he had before the cult fake status that you all have now seen, makes what he calls shabby.
Commercialism is what you’re now seeing.
He ridicules art critics, as it is a shit bullshit world.
This weak hit piece by a commercialism alt media brand not understanding and coming in after the hype is low.
So much for free speech and expression. See how does that sound and make you look.?
Like that Sotheby’s painting cutting up is aimed at something considered stupid : 10 million for a painting or KLF burning millions ; it’s all media hype with an undercurrent.
You sound right-leaning, pretending to be ex-groovy left , and let’s see how your art writing sounds to other critics-it doesn’t hold up. I have that right to say that,
Awfully weak, having to censor those you disagree with, as it makes you just as bad as those you claim you’re against.
About control. Which he explains it is all about, CCTV proves it is all lies as 100s of videos have shown in how you can put up things without getting noticed.
Why not go out and try something. Your to scared because CCTV told you you would get caught.
That proves the point.
Your controlled.
Right on, my friend. Like the Situationists which had totally spot on critique of of modern Spectacular society, their quest of perfect non-spectacular etiquette traps them in an intellectual prison of their own making. This unnecessary high bar happens here as well. Likewise they are trapped in their own bleak illusions of a 100% inauthentic world. A tragedy. Banksy is perhaps, along with Ai Weiwei, the smartest and most socially and politically accountable artists on the planet. When I saw Banksy picked out, it just shows the extreme blindless and insensitivity that plagues humanity with fatally flawed ideologies that are no better than totalitarianism. Goes along with the commentary censorship they try to keep quiet. Sad.
So, if Banksy is a real individual and not just a branding psyop and if he’s genuinely anti-establishment as you claim, how is he allowed to continue?
Why are establishment shills falling over themselves to praise him? Why are his improbable “groovy gang” immune from prosecution?
Like the article says this is the same country where people are surveilled everywhere they go, where they get arrested for unacceptable tweets or social media posts. So, how do you explain this Banksy entity’s apparent immunity to detection or prosecution.
Hey – why not try emulating Banksy’s “daring” and see how you get on. I think it will be an interesting experiment
Allowed to continue? Do you actually believe everything in public view has been vetted and controlled by the PTB? Nonsense. His work appeals to anti-system critics and the PTB always allow SOME system critique so they have plausible deniability totalitarianism. Don’t blame artists like Banksy. He presents truth in it’s basic form and it is up to viewers like yourself to get it, or call it bullshit. Problem is he’s right on about nationalism, the ultimate driver of war empire.And his tactics are impeccable.
Yes, just as you admitted in your previous comment to me. It’s obvious they could trace him and charge him if they wanted, but they don’t. You believe he gets that permission because the PTB are scared of him. But you still admit he is “allowed” to continue.
And yes, everything that appears in the media has been vetted and controlled. You don’t get on their platforms or get flattered by establishment drones like John Simpson unless the establishment approves of you.
I mean, you’ve been an artist for 75 years apparently but no John Simpsons are celebrating your rebellion are they.
“Blindless”? You and Minie seem to have the same problem with forming coherent sentences.
Why are you pretending OG are attacking the statue ‘s value as art when what they’re doing is exposing the brain dead stupidity of the Banksy myth. Maybe it’s an amazing statue, but the story of how it got there and of Banksy being an anti-establishment Robin Hood figure is absolute gobshite.
And what “fatally flawed ideologies”? I don’t see any “commentary censorship” either. They don’t censor you and I would in a heartbeat if you tried to post this lowest common denominator troll food on my website.
well said, i think they’re too lax with trolls here. Differing opinions is one thing and I’m all for free speech but allowing people (or bots) to rock up and just be slanderous about the site or other commenters is not “free speech”, it’s abuse.
Critique is “abuse”? Good God man. We’re here to research and discuss ideas, not be “kind”,… er polite. You sound like the dem “woke” ‘fraidycats or the belligerent right like trump that finds a reason to censor people for any words that may offend.
That is why they come here.
It is the only place left that allows persistent ad-hom abuse and baseless criticism of the site and its editor and guest authors. That is not the same as detailed evidence and example based critiques.
A campaign of abuse lasting over a year by one troll caused Todd Hayen to call it a day and quit OffG.
Iain Davis found out the hard way on his Substack that allowing a free-for-all turned his comments section into a war zone around a year and half ago. Full on highly personal ad-homs were directed at him and other commenters. It is the worst case I have ever read. In my view, he has never recovered from it.
Harry Belafonte appears out on no where, screaming more censorship
to stop people having a different view on the topic,
like Sandy being attacked and me.
You must be new here. Your not under the “PENDING” overlord? Well that’s their hidden ejection seat used as they please. And because internet apps, like this comment section,are two-way mirror wolds those in the other side are the ones who control what people see. The flawed ideologies are like the 100% cynicism towards anything seen by the public. They think everything being seen is controlled and staged. Like Banksy. Bullshit. The elite auto control their own class, but popular culture movements, good or bad are not controllable.
But you’re not on pending now, are you?
You were always getting into heated arguments with admin Sam about being censored, but I assume he is no longer here, since I only see Elvira as the admin now.
Anyway, why is it that those that bleat the most about being pended or censored still come back for more? Are they masochists? They could just go somewhere else, except….
It is because OffG publishes the comments calling them shills, controlled oppo, frauds, mainstream alt-right, woke right, Christians and any other perceived put down to continue doing so. That is reason those commenters including the obvious troll(s) keep coming back, since anywhere else would ban them.
PS. I’m not implying you’re a troll but you’re pallying up to one – probably unknowingly – who is obvious and uses multi-IDs in an attempt to disguise it.
I am indeed still pending, every comment. But it seems Elvira is a much more objective Admin and I still see my comments go through. Much appreciated Elvira!
I write here because most articles are right in line with what I am perceiving in the world at this time and I want to add whatever i can as useful additional argument. I don’t have time for any other substacks or other site usually on paywalls. I was shadowbanned on FB, am shadowbanned on Meta’s IG, and am now banned from FB by insane authentication protocols. All for the better actually. After many years using computers I’ve come to see the internet deployed as a FAKE replacement for society. Suckering humanity into self-alienation and paranoia, the perfect precursor to totalitarian control.
I do not use aliases or fraudulently present myself. I know I am on every spy database in the US as a dissident seen at many protests since 2000. They can be manipulating me on the net or not, i have no idea. But I am too old now to do much damage. I’m just a little bug they like to squash periodically. Yes, there are genuine people around keeping the fire going until we are free. It’s our duty and honor to do so.
I have now been placed in that pending club too it seems, all because of a now deleted thread by OffG today.
The topic was started by one person, then a certain other commenter blew a fuse, at which point I simply added some links with material to read.The absusive one continued his ranting against everyone else involved. I was not rude in anyway, and now I am on pre-mod, despite being a supporter of OffG and having defended them regularly.
Anyway this will be my last comment, if I am now on permanent pre-mod, since I have to live by my principles which means I must leave.
Hopefully, this gets published.
I didn’t agree with your comments on this article but have on others. All the best.
You are NOT pended. You wrote your name wrong for three or four posts so the system thought you were new and pended them.
You wrote “Rolling Rcok”. I fixed it.
Sorry, I didn’t realise. Fat fingers and I didn’t notice it for a few comments in a row!
If you wish please feel free to delete the comment above. I gave Sandy an upvote anyway.
Sorry, I didn’t realise. Fat fingers and I didn’t notice it for a few comments in a row!
If you wish please feel free to delete the comment above. I gave S a n d y an upvote anyway.
I don’t agree with Sandy on this issue, but there’s nothing censorable about his opinion. I’ve read enough of his posts over the years to believe that he is in absolute earnest.
Sandy’s opinion was NOT censored. You read it here. Names that go into pending are put there by Akisment or by us because these name sometimes act like trolls with too much rudeness and nothing else, so we need to make sure they are not trolling. But as you see they are still free to be very rude to us if they choose. Mr Sandy does not like us but we still give him courtesy of a space.
You misread me. I know Sandy was not censored. I only disagreed with the poster Kite Flier who suggested that he should be.
On an ironic note, thank you for rescuing my post from “Pending” so quickly.
On the contrary, I love OG. It is one of the few spaces where excellent articles and interesting commentary exchange useful ideas. Sam was pernicious and personal in how he treated me and i was ready to stop posting here, until you came along. Thank you! I don’t believe my comments rude, though, Sam certainly did. Maybe I’m wrong. I must say Kit’s across the board cynicism, like this Banksy piece, of seemingly everything in existence is something I do want to counter. The world just isn’t controllable as many think, imho. But I do like most of his perceptions and social commentary. And most of the other writers. (Edward and CJ are my favorites and my wife and myself met CJ on his road trip in Portland.) The visual arts spectrum is my most knowledgeable beat so for those issues, i get into it. And I see this one got me close to 20 responses, and I was able to respond back. It get’s real here at OG and that is awesome. Cheers!
It is a cracker work of art. Nonetheless.
Banksy is shit and Bob moran from the telegraph is amazing. 😂
You gotta love the radicalization from being on the net.
So awoke they’ve fallen back to sleep
No, not really.
Oh, “staycations” are back in vogue:
https://metro.co.uk/2026/05/03/uk-staycation-made-son-year-2-28184001/
Any resemblance to lockdown is of course entirely coincidental….
I never didn’t have staycations. I called them unemployment.
Socialist media. Demand money for a look.
There are some role models out there:
https://www.globalresearch.ca/whats-next-towards-happiness-economy/5924659
Bizarre
The blind leading the blinded:
https://www.garydbarnett.com/the-extreme-hypocrisy-of-arrogant-americans-concerning-immigration/
Yanks prefer cowboys.
I’m sorry but that’s like some 7th-grade history essay. Not informative at all. And sucking up for extra credit.
I’ve explained it a thousand times. Here’s a thousand and one.
They are always trying to shame us for looking down on those fine, upstanding, decent hard-working people who only want to find a good life for themselves and their families. How could we be so prejudiced, so bigoted, so drooling rednick crude and stupid and unfair?
There you have the little braindead movie scenarioi that gets trotted out every time any intelligent person tries to explain objectively, without emotional scapegoating appeals, just what is wrong with immigration.
Here’s the thing (no mater how the redneck who says it drools, it’s the truth): The powers that be are the ones who benefit from immigration. That is “immigration,” not “immigrants.” “Immigrants”, individually, might well be the salt of the earth. Fine upstanding excellent people.
Doesn’t matter. Salt of the earth or scum of the earth, they were not brought in for their contributions.
Immigration lowers wages and raises rents. Salt or scum, good or bad, reputable or dis-. Doesn’t matter. Immigration also prevents any kind of organizing, any kind of solidarity, any kind of unionization, any kind of mass action that might make a difference. In addition to lowering wages and raising rents.
And that is why intelligent, well-meaning, decent, thoughtful citizens, including naturalized legal aliens whose origins lie outside the borders, oppose immigration.
Shame on them, the dirty rednecks.
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Of course banksy is woke establishment he’s from brizzle
It’s stunts like these that reinforce my opinion that the art world is just another platform for the establishment, a release valve for the discontented that persuades them they have a voice and they can rally against the status quo. In reality what artwork in the uk has been a genuine cause for change, most of it seems reflective upon the individual, usually the artist, even if there is a splash of social commentary what good will it do. It might win a few prizes and critics will do a nice write up, both establishment tools, but it will be forgotten about, bought up and sat in a private residence for an investment while the rest us can buy a book on it for the coffee table, to make us feel like we’re part of something.
Events like this, I suspect, cost a lot of money. The kind starving artists can’t afford. All they can afford, sometimes, is paint and canvas. Not enpugh, I’m afraid.
Banksy is just another part of the unreality matrix.
The presence of the word “vibrant” is enough to mark anything as a psyop.
BTW the attempt to grant immunity from prosecution to pesticides was defeated in Congress a couple of days ago. Two-thirds of Republicans voted for it. I guess Big Ag will have to wait a little longer to make sure the glyphosate ruling can’t happen again. Lab-grown goop won’t need pesticides….
Another word I look for as a giveaway is “robust”.
Or ‘diverse’.
Mmm, so the $uiturd$ were rounded up. So to speak.
Whether from a lab, indoor factory or greenhouse, whether GMO or not, we will get a cocktail of poisonous compunds it raises output or profit, reduces cost, or kills useless eaters. Only evil Russia bans this stuff.
Banksy’s ‘anti-establishment’ street creds have covered the following topics amongst others:
Climate change
Consumerism (multiple times)
Support for the NHS during the Scamdemic
Anti-war – because the ‘solution’ is global governance
‘Crude Oils series’ of paintings – anti-fossil fuels
Ironic for an artist (whoever or how many he is) whose artworks – that doesn’t involve knocking down the sides of buildings to recover it – sell for millions of dollars each, has claimed that he considers commercial success a mark of failure for a graffiti artist.
https://uk.finance.yahoo.com/news/revealed-banksys-15-most-expensive-150100807.html
More irony in his artwork ‘Sale Ends Today’ depicting the little people bowing down to the god of consumerism, since said artwork sold for $6.1 million (£4.8 million) at auction.
banksy more like wokesy
More like bank$ing it.
So John Simpson newsman posts a tweet giving full starry eyed approval to the statue. It seems we now live in a world where government actions come “from below”. It’s like a dictator standing beside you pretending to be “one of us”.
Or taking a bullet ‘for us’
Australian Authorities are about to put in place Social
HarmonyCohesionlegislation… ‘Antisemitism’, already doing considerable work in silencing
dissent and criticism, seems to be becoming the label that replaces
‘dis-information’…
What Comes Next Will Affect Every Australian. Here’s What’s Actually happening
(14:23):
The Social Harm Cohesion – to give it its proper name.
Big Mutha is watching us.
They are hilarious.
Harmony grows from equality.
Tax the Turds at the top.
Well said, makes me think of UN SDG #17.
Banksy is simply stating the obvious. Nationalism IS divisive.
When will we see a statue depicting the insidious wedges of racism, religion, classism, sexism, ageism et etc ?
No way Jose! They are the weapons of divide and conquer.
C’mon Banksy, pull your finger out. Nationalism is so 20th century.
The WEF globalists love you for this.
I’m expecting a big cheque any day now.
The ashtrays in my Maserati are full.
It’s time for a changeover.
Did you actually read that to which you replied?
Footy teams are divisive, too.
Yep, claimed, trained and debrained by media corporations and multi millionaires playing with their balls
Just look at the state the EU nations are in now, because they shun nationalism – Brussels big wigs have arrested and imprisoned those who have spoken out against EU corruption, and vote rigging within the bloc by the EY bigwigs is rife, such as with recent elections in Romania and Moldova.
NATO’s arming up, without God Emperor Trump, is shunning nationalism? Hah!!! The West, US/EU/UK/AU has been a united colonialist empire prosecuting violent extractive empire since the Gilded Age united them. Israel is their aircraft carrier of neo-imperialism for geopolitical control of that oil producing Middle East. The “woke” immigrant invasion is merely cheap labor sabotage of the domestic working class, created by their war-machine US. A real twofer bonanza.
What next? Is being in families ‘divisive,’ too?
Families are real and lovable, or not.
Teams are inventions of deviousness.
This reminds me of an incident in my town a few years ago. A small business painted a large mural on the side of their building — very visible; you couldn’t miss it. Apparently it was a zoning violation and city officials originally notified them to remove it.
What did the mural depict? Six arms with clenched fists held high, like the old “power to the people” image. One arm was white, the others various shades of tan, brown and black.
This was two years after George Floyd was murdered in nearby Minneapolis. The mural is supposed to depict solidarity or inclusivity or diversity or some such.
Townsfolk evidently liked the mural and chimed in, so city officials backed down and didn’t pursue the matter. The mural remains up to this day.
I don’t mind the mural. I don’t have strong feelings one way or the other. But as in the Banksy case, this smells of selective enforcement of the law.
It gives a lot of jobs to public servants, BBC and the like. Everybody will write about it, comment on it, a point on the meeting agenda 😅 .
It will be discussed all over England by ordinary people, even in the world. It keeps us all together, we are all in the same soup!
Public opinion on cultural developments is more likely to be allowed by the PTB than any policy oppositions or prosecutions of police for killing innocent citizens. The cops will get off, but the mural will stay as a concession.
Apologies for this off topic but important to share, This news warrants its own article and I hope Off Guardian will agree.
The implications of the withdrawal of the UAE from OPEC are important. This will accelerate the India Middle East Europe Corridor (IMEC), making the Strait of Hormuz redundant.
“The UAE exited OPEC on May 1, 2026. If Iran’s military capacity is permanently degraded and Hormuz returns to free navigation, the UAE pumps at full ADNOC (The Abu Dhabi National Oil Company), capacity into a high-priced market, free of OPEC quota constraints, with its corridor infrastructure positioned to capture the lion’s share of India-to-Europe trade flows.
Its tokenization platform settles the commodity transactions. Its AI infrastructure provides the logistics intelligence. Its stablecoin architecture captures the financial flows. The UAE becomes the hub of the twenty-first century trade order.
The petrodollar system that has underwritten American financial hegemony since the Nixon era — is being dismantled and replaced.”
The Trump family and Steve Witkoff’s family are deeply involved and will benefit financially.
https://patrickwood.substack.com/p/boom-united-arab-emirates-exits-opec
President Trump is using US defense forces to pursue his personal
business interests… That’s what all the obfuscation is meant to conceal…
‘[IMEC] … what we are witnessing is Trump ushering in the long held globalist
dream of setting up a private technocracy, in this case (IMEC), to control what
could be the most valuable trade route in the world… [….] we are witnessing the implementation of the first big stage of the globalist Great Reset.’
Haifa, in Israhell, is central to IMEC, as is Gaza, just south of Haifa…
IMEC – Trump Tears A Page From The WEF Playbook To Launch His Version Of Technocratic Globalism.
https://secularheretic.substack.com/p/trump-tears-a-page-from
What fresh distraction-nonsense is this?
Trump is a mere puppet, a fool in motley dancing for your entertainment. His every utterance and action is controlled and approved before we even see it. He doesn’t choose his suit without getting an ok from his handlers
But even supposing he was actually a functioning POTUS in the way imagined by the founding fathers and the Constitution, there are layers of authority between him and his access to the military that would never permit him to “use defence forces for his own private business interests” – unless those interests coincided with their own larger objectives.
This entire story is constructed to narrow the focus on to Trump and away from the actual drivers of this agenda. Trump is the gesticulating grotesque frontman for a massive global move, and it will drop him in an instant the moment he ceases to be useful.
The IMEC /BRI story is not at all about rivalry. What rivalry can exist when the manipulators manage all sides? It’s about using the illusion of rivalry as a stalking horse for previously agreed massive societal and geopolitical change.
Brilliant analysis ! You sure know your stuff ! No flies on you !
So stablecoin and tokenization on a smartphone is our new money yes. How wonderful.
The US has also been attacking the rival to their IMEC project, which is the Belt and Road trade route via northern Iran, which China has been building for the last 20 years. Both trade routes give mostly overland access from India, Africa, etc to Europe, making them immune to any blockages on the Strait of Hormuz. This will weaken Iran’s present strong position.
We are in the midst of great changes in the international un/balance of power happening now, which will affect each one of us. The US is a dying empire and it won’t go down with just a whimper.
How the US is using terrorism to stop China’s Belt & Road initiative.
Well yes. They are said to have 800 military US bases all over so why not.
So far they destroyed the 2’nd gas pipe to Europe, want Greenland as their own, downed Syria, entered into a war with Iran and took over Venezuela’s oil.
And before that even worse. Incredible the rest of the world still believe they can “enter into a dialogue” with this Godzilla.
Even if they did, the gorilla has a boss. Some very rich people of dual nationality.
The USA may be a dying empire, and that’s why Trump is pursuing his own business interests, using the dying empire’s defence forces to assist him…. Allegiance to money tops patriotism any day. The comprador class – they’re
all in it for themselves…
IMEC & BRI don’t rival each other, they compliment each other. If the PTB seriously wanted to compete with or defeat China why would they have spent the last forty years dismantling the western industrial infrastructure and moving it to Beijing, Shanghai etc?
China is the chosen new centre of imperial operation. What we are witnessing is, as Wood correctly says, a coherent initiative to finally dismantle the remains of US power through destroying the petrodollar, prior to shifting the “empire” to its new location.
Don’t be blinded by the name ‘Trump’ into assuming this is a US or western-centered move. Not at all. Trump is working for the “multipolar” NWO, whether he knows it or not.
Of course they’re not rivals. That’s why US backed terrorists in Baluchistan are attacking BRI infrastructure, and why Israhell is bombing the BRI China-Iran railway infrastructure… And i’m impressed by how you wrote all that without squeezing in mention of Israhell. Well done, Old Chap !!
You need the word “allegedly” inserted there.Are all these alleged attacks actually doing anything to weaken China? Or are they merely token or even illusory in order to promote the conflict narrative for the reasons I constantly outline.
Israel is a racist apartheid regime that I have never supported in my life, but it’s rather cheap of you to try to distract with veiled accusations – especially as neither you nor May Hem mentioned Israel either!
Rather poor trolling Old Chap!
China has been anticipating the current situation for many years. They are well prepared.
https://warwickpowell.substack.com/p/chinas-preparedness
” Of course they’re not rivals. “
John Pilger’s 60th documentary is both a warning and an inspiring story of resistance.
When the United States, the world’s biggest military power, decided that China, the second largest economic power, was a threat to its imperial dominance, two-thirds of US naval forces were transferred to Asia and the Pacific.
This was the ‘pivot to Asia’, announced by President Barack Obama in 2011. China, which in the space of a generation had risen from the chaos of Mao Zedong’s ‘Cultural Revolution’ to an economic prosperity that has seen more than 500 million people lifted out of poverty, was suddenly the United States’s new enemy…
Chapter 2 describes China’s remarkable rise. Using rare archive film, Pilger describes ‘the century of humiliation’, when the Chinese were depicted as the ‘yellow peril’ in the West and racial stereotypes were a staple of Hollywood.
Author James Bradley describes the opium trade and the colonisation by Britain and the other imperial powers. ‘The American industrial revolution was funded by huge pools of money… from illegal drugs in the biggest market in the world, China,’ he says…
..In 2015, Pilger reports, the US Navy and its regional allies, including Australia, rehearsed a blockade that would cut China’s lifelines of oil, trade and raw materials…
The Coming War on China – John Pilger
Which was what the coup in Ukraine plus conflict there and the war in the Gulf is leading to !
“[500] million people lifted out of poverty”. There’s that damned phrase, again ! I’ve lost count, but i know i’d be rich today if for every time i read or heard it… It is repeated so often i wonder if it’s not propaganda. And it’s never explained… Like – how was ‘poverty’ defined ? Was it ‘living on a dollar or less a day ? If so, then, living on $1.05 a day meant ‘lifted out of poverty’… (‘At least The Poor had their Dignity’ – you might say.).
Compare it to “[500] people’s lives were save by the ‘covid’ vaxx.”
Many generations ago my forebears were lifted out of poverty, the landed / upper classes pushed them into, by the Industrial Revolution… We’ve been Wage Slaves* since, and if The Technofeudalists win the current version of The Class War, we’ll be pushed back into poverty – for evah !!
** Apparently there’s ‘Dignity’ in labour, too. I never felt it, though my mum felt quite proud she could make ends meet [as could a lot of people who were trained by The Great Depression]…
” There’s that damned phrase, again ! I’ve lost count, but i know i’d be rich today if for every time i read or heard it… It is repeated so often i wonder if it’s not propaganda. And it’s never explained… Like – how was ‘poverty’ defined ? “
Here is one way !
‘ In 1949, at the time of the Chinese Revolution, the infant mortality rate in China was 200 per 1,000 live births; this declined to fewer than 50 by 1980. A World Bank study in 1988 noted, “Much of China’s success in improving the health of its people can be attributed to the health policies and the national health service delivery system.” ‘
A history of China’s fight against poverty – Asia Times
I agree somehow. But DONT call me Old Chap.
If you call me Old Chap just once, like you did to Robber Baron, I am not gonna give you any thumbs up anymore!
Would me Old Mucker be more appropriate ?
Only Mucker is ok.
Ok Mucker, it is timeless !
“.. China why would they have spent the last forty years dismantling the western industrial infrastructure..”
The plan, instigated by the usual suspects Rockfeller’s/ City of London, shift industrial production to China, for the usual reasons : greed, weaken organised labour and keep the peoples of both Western and Eastern countries as serfs. However, just as the Bolshevik revolution didn’t transpire as they intented ie world revolution led by Trotsky et al so their plans with China failed. The result of unintended consequences !
The success of China’s model poses a threat to the neoliberal order
When U.S. political leaders single out China as an existential enemy of the West, it is not as a military threat but for offering a successful economic alternative to today’s U.S.-sponsored neoliberal world order..
..That order was supposed to represent the End of History, succeeding through its logic of free trade, government deregulation, and international investment free of capital controls, while detouring away from industrial capitalism’s anti-rentier policies…
..We can now see the absurdity in this self-satisfying evangelical view that had emerged just as Western economies were deindustrializing, as a result of the dynamics of their neoliberal finance capitalism.
The vested financial and other rentier interests are rejecting not only China but the logic of industrial capitalism as described by its own 19th-century classical economists…
..Western neoliberal observers have closed their eyes to recognizing the ways in which China’s “socialism with Chinese characteristics” has achieved its success by a logic similar to that of the industrial capitalism advocated by classical economists to minimize rentier income…
Michael Hudson: How the Global Majority can free itself from US financial colonialism – Geopolitical Economy Report
“The success of China’s model poses a threat to the neoliberal order..
..economists to minimize rentier income…”
The US attack on Iran is designed as part of their plan to isolate and weaken China and Russia.
It is going well for the US. They don’t care if they are seen to be losing. They are successfully reducing the export of oil from the Gulf and attacking shipping. They want to control all the gas and oil in the world and charge high prices for it.
Their plan to isolate and surround China and Russia is going splendidly. Watch for their next step – to close/disable shipping through the Strait of Malacca.
Want proof? See their original National Defence Strategy 2026 where they state “Restoring Peace Though Strength for a New Golden Age of America”.
https://static.mediapart.fr/files/2026/01/26/2026-national-defense-strategy.pdf
So the globalists get to achieve the energy shortage they need to crash western economies and then blame the US for it – perfect
Big news and Patrick is a great source of information.
Its Brian not Patrick, 21st Century Wire, but both have very sources of analysis.
Minie is referring to the writer Patrick Wood, whose site I recommend …. https://patrickwood.substack.com/
He was the understudy of Professor Antony C Sutton whose books are, unlike so many of the articles here, very well researched and more importantly supported with excellent evidence. His key phrase was ” never go beyond the evidence “
I quite like the statue. The flag in it symbolizes ideology, which blinds and leads to death.
The man in it wears a suit, so he’s one of those snakes in suits, and he kinda looks like trump.
If people’s nationalistic emotions are hurt by this, they should rethink their nationalism, rather than oppose artwork.
Anti-nationalism aka globalism is also an ideology, and it can be followed blindly and fanatically. It adapts are uniformists – all have to be equal – a la Mao’s cultural revolution. That is the Titan’s mindset.
It’s brilliant, as usual from Banksy. Many here have become lost in unquenchable cynicism.
Globalists wear suits too.
The field of the flag is blank… empty, and dark, the color of night and death, as with the ideology of Globalism.
was walking on air prior to setting foot on the pedestal.
The Authorities will most likely remove it claiming the removal is “To Protect
The Children (TM)”… Though even more likely they’ll claim the removal is to
protect it from pigeons using it as their shithouse…
And we all know what great appreciators of Art pigeons are…
I think you missed the entire point of the article.