Faking “Water Bankruptcy” Part 1: Data Centres
Kit Knightly
We are currently witnessing the birth of a new psy-op targeting our most vital natural resource – water. And in the coming series of articles we’ll be breaking down every aspect of this emerging agenda.
The chosen label for this new fear-as-control exercise is “water bankruptcy” . It’s a name originating in a UN report published earlier this year.
The decades old grumbling rumours of a “water crisis” just weren’t scary enough you see, so just as global warming became “climate change”, and then “global heating”, and now “global boiling” – so this “crisis” is rebooted as something irresistibly alarming.
The language alone is the first indicator of what we really have here.
The broad stroke of the “water bankruptcy” narrative is:
1. The planet is running out of clean, safe drinking water
2. Climate change and the rise of AI are causing this problem,
…and – of course –
3. We really need to do something about it.
The fast developing and dark reality is a plan that will use deliberately instilled fear of water shortages to manufacture fake water shortages, and then police, commodify and monetize the global water supply in the name of “water security”.
It’s the next big psy-op evolving before our eyes, and in this series we’ll be covering every aspect of it:
– “Climate change” propaganda,
– Proposed legislative “solutions”
– The role of surveillance technology, and
– The inevitable financial pay-outs for the private sector.
Today, in part one of this series, we’ll be looking at what seems to be a tent pole of this emerging narrative – Data centres.
Very recently we have seen the emergence of a rash of media scare stories on data centres. Claims about their energy consumption and water usage are suddenly flooding the information marketplace.
This is an odd development because data centres would seem to represent the very beating heart of the surveillance state these outlets routinely promote.
The stories range from the mildly critical, as in this piece from the Times:
Surge in data centres set to push water bills even higher
To the slightly concerned, such as this from the BBC:
Scottish data centres powering AI already using enough water to fill 27 million bottles a year
To the quasi-apocalyptic, such as this offering from the ever-hysterical Guardian:
What you see here is a wetland without water’: how the datacentre boom is exacerbating Chile’s mega-drought
Or this from Al Jazeera:
AI’s growing thirst for water is becoming a public health risk
It’s no different in the US, where headlines like this…
America’s AI Boom Is Running Into An Unplanned Water Problem
Or this…
AI Is Accelerating the Loss of Our Scarcest Natural Resource: Water
…are proliferating rapidly.
Yes, bizarre as it seems the establishment media are attacking the reputation of establishment data centres.
And it gets even odder when you look a little closer – because virtually all the scare stories they are publishing are either wildy exaggerated, decontextualised or simply NOT TRUE.
So, what is the reality quotient here?
Let’s take a look. This Reuters article headlines:
AI to double data centre power and water consumption by 2030
The trouble is it gives no context for what that “doubling” means in comparative terms.
It cites the fact that data centres use “4.5 trillion liters per year” – and that does sound like a lot, but when we retrieve the missing context we find that total amount of water used annually by human beings is around 4 quadrillion litres, almost 1000x times as much.
Meaning data centres currently account for just ~0.1% of global water usage.
Sure a 2025 report estimated US-based data centres used 449 million gallons of water per day, it didn’t mention that manufacturing uses 15 billion, over thirty times as much, while the energy sector uses closer to 100 billion.
So, that scary-seeming “doubling by 2030” the UN mentioned means data centres will be accounting for just 0.2% of global water usage by 2030 – and that’s supposing all domestic, agricultural and industrial usage stays exactly the same in that time (which, of course, they won’t).
Whatever we may think of data centres as a tool of Big Brother, it’s still true that, in terms of environmental impact, farming, manufacturing and energy production all use many times more water than they do.
The press also go out of their way to muddy the distinction between “direct water use” and “indirect water use”.
Brief explanation about this:
Direct water use would be the water you use to drink, cook, clean or bathe.
Indirect water use is the water used to grow the food you eat or manufacture your clothes.
This is a clear distinction that the mainstream media have been disregarding when talking about the “water footprint” of data centres.
They routinely include indirect usage such as “water used in the production of energy” (eg. to cool nuclear power stations or in thermoelectric plants etc.) or in the manufacturing chips and other parts as part of the data centres’ direct usage.
See the recent report “Water-guzzling data centres”, from Oxford University [emphasis added]:
Water directly used for cooling is what most data centre operators focus on, but the largest source of water usage is actually electricity generation. This comes from how water is heated to generate steam which turns a turbine and generates electricity. Fossil fuels and nuclear power all consume water in this way, and even hydroelectric power involves some water loss from reservoirs.
Blaming data centres for water lost from hydroelectric dam reservoirs because they use some of the electricity produced? Does that make sense? And is this standard applied to every industry?
These and other misrepresentations are very well broken down in this post by Andy Masley. I recommend it to anyone interested in unpicking this strange story.
For example, it is commonly believed that data centres poison ground water – but again this is a distortion, because while they can can concentrate contaminants already present in the water via evaporation, or they can add cleaning and anti-scaling chemicals this is something common to virtually all industrial processes and coolant systems. There’s nothing unique about the way data centres do this.
It’s also true that many AI data centres use no water at all. Between 10% and 25% of operational data centres run air-cooling systems using refrigeration gasses (this number was much higher as recently as 2024, but many have switched because liquid cooling uses substantially less electricity). And many water-cooled centres use a closed loop system that reuses water repeatedly and treat it on site.
And no – I’m not going to bat for big tech here or volunteering to down a pint of coolant run off. I’m just reporting the fact that your average data centre is no better or worse for the water supply than most industrial sectors, and in fact uses far less water than most.
The really important question here is – why are the media torturing the statistics and definitions to create fear headlines about something so entrenched in the governmental control system?
And in fact not just the media. This strange narrative construction extends beyond the press or governmental reports and into live-action political theatre.
Witness the absurd spectacle of Alexandra Ocasio Cortez waving a jam jar full of mud around congress, screaming that data centers are making water unfit to drink:
During a House hearing with Assistant EPA Administrator Jessica Kramer on Wednesday, Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez (D-NY) pulled out two jars of brown water she said was taken near a Meta data center in Morgan County, Georgia, after it was constructed.
AOC went on to describe… pic.twitter.com/fEWpVPpuYs
— CBS News (@CBSNews) May 22, 2026
Is that water even from Georgia any more than Colin Powell’s test tube contained anthrax? It doesn’t matter and she doesn’t know, it was just handed to her before she went on stage, and for anyone interested, the actual details of the case are that a local well may have suffered sediment build up thanks to digging/construction work. It has literally nothing to do with the data centre’s usage of water – because he thing wasn’t actually operational yet.
Veteran campaigner Erin Brockovich has also joined the crusade, starting up a registry of data centres for the whole country.
A new report from the UN is “warning” (reports always “warn”) about the AI boom and the resources – especially land and water – that it’s using.
Multiple states or localities of the US are trying to ban the construction of data centres, mostly because of their “guzzling” water. This first one passed yesterday. According to a recent poll, most Americans would rather live near a nuclear reactor than a data centre.
Even Pope Leo XIV – yes, his High Holiness himself – is warning the faithful about AI data centres and the “enormous amounts of energy and water” they use.
Maybe these latter high profile contributions begin to offer some clue as to why the mainstream is demonising one of its own major tools.
AI data centers are ruining the water – something needs to be done about it.
And in case we had any doubts that this is where the ‘scary data centre’ narrative is going, Chatham House is here to really lay it out for you:
AI water usage requires governments to rethink their approach to water
…so what exactly does “rethinking our approach to water” mean?
We’ll discuss that later in the series.
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I suggest, whenever government says it’s gonna do something to protect the public, hide your valuables (water, food, cash,…) and start home schooling.
This is from a moron sheep called Stooge below. (Does he have two brothers maybe?)
“Data centers are there to incipit Skynet.”
Yeah that’s right, dudes. That’s what data centers do. All of them. They DON’T do a whole slew of different things, some useful, some essential, some good some bad, some nefarious. Nope, they all -ALL – ‘incipit Skynet’. You heard it right from Stooge and can take it to the bank. But he’s not done with the wisdom pearls yet, he goes on :
“Whether they use water is beside the point”.
So, yeah those water scare stories are BS but that’s irrelevant – because there’s other fear porn about data centers he still 100% believes! Eg :
“they plan to ramp up fracking to power the bastards.”
It doesn’t occur to him the energy scare story might be as bogus as the water scare story, because he has no real logic framework for analyzing context or assessing probabilities, He just believes his trusted media until someone shoves his face in the real facts. No one has done that about the energy fear porn yet, so he continues believing.
He doesn’t know how much energy data centers consume, he just knows it must be GAZILLIONS – like more than anything else on the planet, because they need to frack harder and open up defunct nuke power stations – just to keep them going!
And this programmed drone thinks he’s part of the resistance.
Spoiler – “data centers” use about 1-3% of all the energy used on the planet – and that’s a maximum estimate.
And another 0.5% for Bitcoin transactions. Which don’t actually buy anything or do anything meaningful in the Global economy, it’s just a bunch of wanna-get-rich gamblers shuffling the magic beans back and forward between themselves.
The number of transactions back and forth isn’t than great either, nothing like the CC volume. But as the blockchain, which by design incorporates every single transaction since inception has grown in length, so now it takes enormous computing power just for a single block.
0.5% of all the electricity generated on the planet! Everything about this modern world is insane!
Hmmm, 1-3% is significant if it’s a new draw on the existing grid.
“…all the energy used on the planet” – context please? Without snarky putdowns preferred.
And by the way, politicians are jumping on the anti-data center bandwagon because they want to win their next election. This is an issue that people care very much about.
You’d like to think that’s how it works because it validates your reactive panic as something grown up and intelligent. But it’s now how it works.
You don’t even know what a data center is. You never even heard of one until you started reading about them in the media you consume. This media told you scary things about them – so you got scared. And you flatter yourself this was your own intellectual process.
No, pal. You just got pwned by propaganda pushing your little buttons, and same for all those people you know who read the same media and are also panicking.
If you care about being a real independent thinker and not just a programmed bleating sheep – do the work, ask the real questions. Here’s a few
1) what IS a “data center”?
2) what do most data centers do –
i – they just do AI
ii – they do bad secret stuff while being powered by nukes and other real BAD stuff
iii – they do many different things, including in some cases providing vital services you and your hysterical sheep-friends rely on to survive on a daily basis
Check it out and get back – or just keep stupidly bleating. Up to you.
I know people whose profession it is to agitate about these things. They tell me there are communities with 50 data centers in them. How do you think their water table is going to fare. You know they just passed permission to re-open Three Mile Island. Why? To power data centers. Sounds like a good idea.
The irony that you’re spouting this bullshit underneath an article that already made it clear
a) people are panicking about “data centers” because they are being programmed to by media-messaging and
b) that data centers aren’t even using any but a tiny fraction of water consumed globally – 0.1%!!
Some of them don’t even use any fucking water at all – they’re air-cooled. And some of them use sealed recycled water cooling.
But still the sheep bleat in unified terror – BECAUSE THEY’VE BEEN TOLD TO BY THE SHEEP-HERDER. And no amount of hard fact or common sense is going to stop them.
And your Three Mile Island trope is just classic conflation propaganda for idiots. TMI is scary – so let’s associate it will something else we want people to be scared of – DATA CENTERS.
Ffs you lame brain, how much fucking electricity do you think these places use? They’re banks of processors not industrial lasers or steel plants!
Let me tell you – they use something like 1-3% of the energy consumed on this planet. .
Yeah, that’s all. So they prob don’t need to fire up a nuke power station just to keep them going. I think MAYBE that’s idiot fear porn for idiots, how about you?
But don’t mind me and don’t let facts or common sense get in your way – just keep bleating, and be sure to beg the government to do something to keep you safe!
Sorry stooge but Thomas is right, the media panic over water is just a cover story for the fact that the networks were already doomed by lack of modernization, replacement of mains and pumps, and no doubt the aging concrete reservoirs that are spread throughout every city too. You start looking around the average city or large town and you’ll see countless concrete tanks up on hills, some are even dug into the hilltops. And I won’t even go into the siltation of ALL the dams, which makes them functionally useless after an average of 100 years.
They built all this one dam and one city reservoir at a time as our human mouse plague grew and grew but there was never the expectation we would have to replace them in 80 years time with labor and materials orders of magnitude higher in cost. They were mostly all built with gushing out of the ground $5 a barrel oil as the energy source, and more recently with unplayable municipal debt to fund the purchase. It’s the same with our crumbling bridges, highways and city centers. At $100 a barrel it’s impossible to even put a dent in these problems. So they are covering them up so they don’t have to answer the REAL question. How do do we maintain the world we built with Oil, without the Oil?
Definitely “Water” is weaponized as the next fear tool. Climate change was the last benign natural scare meme.
What will restrict data centres outside rainy regions with water more is their huge electricity consumption. If they contain strictly only national user date, ok; if they amass foreign data it becomes data colonialism/ imperialism. US and China are both guilty there.
Why are they demonizing data centers? The first paragraph of Republic of Scotland’s comment below supplies a possible explanation.
I would like to disprove the idea that water scarcity is even possible: Years ago I was introduced to Primary Water by Ellen Brown, author of Web of Debt, and other exposes of The Fed, etc..
Primary Water is the recognition of now-forgotten knowledge about water. Fresh water is created by the earth– water which has never been part of the rainfall cycle. I studied this at some length and could give you pages of documentation, but in the interest of brevity will try to control myself:
“Primary water” is newly produced by chemical processes within the earth & has never been part of the surface hydrological cycle. Created when conditions are right to allow oxygen to combine with hydrogen, this water is continually being pushed up under great pressure from deep within the earth and finds its way toward the surface where there are fissures or faults. Japanese researchers reported in Science in March 2002 that the earth’s lower mantle may store about five times more water than its surface oceans.
Pal Pauer of the Primary Water Institute, one of the world’s leading experts in tapping primary water, says a well sufficient to service an entire community could be dug and generating great volumes of water in a mere two or three days, at a cost of about $100,000. The entire state of California could be serviced for about $800 million.
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“The Fertile Crescent, which stretches from Israel to the Persian Gulf and includes the Tigris and Euphrates rivers in Iraq, is supplied at its easternmost point by a cave in an iron-red limestone cliff. This flow becomes the Jordan River. At its westernmost point are springs. One flows from the foot of a buttress on Mt. Hermon and another pours from the cliffs in waterfalls. A spring in Oregon flows at 690 million gallons a day, a spring in Missouri flows at 800 million gallons a day, and a series of springs along the Snake River in Idaho flow at 3.5 billion gallons a day.”
“In France, Professor C. Louis Kervran wrote an essay in 1977 on the origin of water in crystalline rock. He knew that most of the wells in his native Brittany were found by dowsers and dug into solid granite. In his career he knew of so many cases where tunneling into rock created floods that wiped out the construction sites that he didn’t bother to collect data on them. During a drought in 1976 the French Geological and Mining Bureau loaned drilling equipment to find water in the region. Successful wells were drilled into crystalline and metamorphic terrain.”
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http://www.primarywaterinstitute.org/evidence.html
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Non-saline hot water released from (underwater) Gakkel Ridge in Arctic
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http://www.globalresearch.ca/california-water-wars-another-form-of-asset-stripping/5438835 Ellen Brown. Includes several innovative sources for inexpensive water. Suggestion that these are being avoided in order to enhance the value of limited water which is being bought up. It’s the people against the new “water barons” – Goldman Sachs, JPMorgan Chase, Monsanto, the Bush family, and their ilk – who are buying up water all over the world at an unprecedented pace.
AI water usage already exceeds the water usage of the biggest beverage companies in the world.
Groundwater is withdrawn by industries such as manufacturing, mining, oil and gas, energy and utilities, and construction. Apparel and food & beverage industries are highly dependent on groundwater through supply chains. According to Aquastat, 19% of global freshwater withdrawals come from industry and energy.
Having said that, the single biggest global consumer is agriculture, using 70 per cent of all freshwater reserves. This is used to: grow crops (including animal feed crops), general on-farm use, such as cleaning, sanitation, crop spraying; and to rear farmed animals which feed the world’s meat, dairy and egg demand.
Furthermore, there are moves already to develop and install closed loop cooling systems for data centres and other industries, some of which already have these installed.
I hate data centres as much as the next reader on OG for obvious reasons, including environmental (noise, EMF, …) pollution and for the agenda these are built for. However, when looking just at the fresh water or ground water issue we need to address how our societies do farming. Abandon monoculture farming and reduce the insane level of animal farming. Yea, I know, popular.
Groundwater doesn’t disappear on being used. It’s pumped back into the surface water through rivers and reservoirs and is still available for human use. Groundwater is just another replenishable resource they want you to believe is scarce so they can regulate and commodify it.
I’m surprised the tech firms haven’t pointed this out
Optimist: The glass is half full.
Pessimist: The glass is half empty.
Rationalist: The glass is too big.
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I don’t know about England, but in the US, all sorts of people, conservative and liberal, young and old, are getting all het up about AI and data centers. They attend township meetings in droves whereas just months ago, crickets. They just defeated allowing one down the road here. The fact that barca-lounger people and young texters are out getting angry about something they well should get angry about is a good thing. So what if they come out over water issues that aren’t very real (by the way, national and worldwide statistics do not equate to local, as usual–if a data center eviscerates your local watershed, I wonder how you’ll react when they tell you, “Oh, it’s only .01 percent.”) Data centers are there to incipit Skynet. Whether they use water is beside the point. Btw, they plan to ramp up fracking to power the bastards. Fracking already poisons half the state I live in. And don’t give me no statistics. Tell them to the families all with cancer who had to abandon their homes they were so poisoned.
Don’t conflate surveillnce/Skynet. Corrupt officials are allowing industries (IT is another industry) that threaten water/electricity supply, health or even the continued existence of towns. Free market, my foot.
“Statistic torturing” is the illegal tender of the media, rising irresistibly to the level of statistic genocide – The Retardian
They could use the huge volumes as a reason to seize water supplies – they can use the huge energy requirements to up the price of energy – we’ll have no idea what chemicals will be deliberately leaked from those centres – which could be used as an excuse to evacuate humans from certain areas – and place them in the coming 15 minute cities, thus clearing huge areas of land from any human inhabitants.
The scare stories from the corporate controlled media – might be released to instil those very things into our minds – prior to the PTB’s minions carrying out such acts against us – in all honesty we have no real idea what will be going inside these centres, they have been presented to us a data centres – but I find that simple term for them as a misnomer, for me they are a rung on the PTB’s ladder – a ladder of that ends with full control over us and a reduction in humanity – the now destroyed Georgia Guide Stones – indicates that humanity must be reduced to a manageable 500 million humans.
Precisely. The future and the times we are now walking into will be a time without dumb arses and ugly buglys. Only intelligent and smart people will be left.
We must scrutinise if we can – everything governments are up to – we MUST be cynical and suspicious of their motives on everything – as Chomsky said:
“No matter what you think your government is up to- they are usual up to far worse.”
It is normal to see ‘Them’ as an evil power, organisation with powers that persistently out manoeuvre checks or balances in ratcheting a systems capture of control by coercions and deceits. they are seen as unified, effective and active by stealth and guile.
My sense is that lawlessness aligns against being exposed or held to lawful account so as to fear and control under a mask of protection or socially masking defences.
I think this aligns the mind to seek and align in masking evasions as socially reinforced narratives.
However, in the mould of ‘one ring to rule them all and in the darkness bind them’, who exactly gets to wield it” and is power sharing a strength of a fear-driven hierarchy – when the common enemy has been effectively neutered.
I expect to see ‘turf wars’ that may or may not split the ‘controller class’ – depending on whether they can be brought to heel or desist via the imposing of a choke on dependencies.
Finance and Tech come to mind as the means to choke any rival.
the Climatistas are seeking tokenising Nature (well almost anything) as approved collateral for financial leverage and control (incentivisation = comply or die). Scams run as governance
But the A.I techies seek control of the knowledge base as real time surveillance and control over bio-assets
However the AI —as with the biotech bubble is a global investment against catastrophic loss (honest accounting).
A ‘Judaically’ collectivised West runs a monopolism, while an Eastern consciousness seeks a utilitarianism – which is no less a tyranny but more disposed to social ‘harmonising’ rather than abject enslavement under shifting lawless terrors.
At some level I see vengeance runs a different agenda to structuring social controls.
But my own choice is in what I choose to value and where I choose to give attention.
I never was in charge of The World, or anyone else really – and even I cant force myself against my will.
But I see the drive to make ‘narratives’ that then operate as identities in polarised factions.
Does division demand to be ruled?
The multiplication of division is the circular argument spiraling down slippery slopes imagined by strawmen surfing contextual fabrications designed as logical rules through the illusion generated in an innocent posture demanded by plausible ignorance.
But how many data centers are they building or saying they are going to build and over what time period. When sailing ships used to take months to cross the oceans they used to know that to much of any one thing often meant a shortage of something else.
But how quickly to they claim they want to build them as this would divert resources from other requirements, As for why they want to build them as just one data center would have enough computing power to do every thing useful. So the rest would be just doing non useful stuff. Is this like the tulip boom and just all the automated trading that will invest in anything that says AI rather like if you want funding add climate change to your proposal.
Could the bad publicity for infighting from the climate change lobby as Data centers need real energy and can not be run on windmills and are stealing the climate change investment. So it could be one lot over rich mad investors that are ultimately going to get you to pay for there money making schemes competing with other investing lobby group.
Lets hope they cancel themselves out and end up suing each other out of existing. But it is likely to cost the tax payer plenty.
China is apparently building some of its “Data Centres” underwater.
“China is building data centers on the ocean floor. Instead of relying heavily on giant air-conditioning systems or freshwater cooling, these underwater facilities use the ocean as a natural cooling source.
Sealed pressure-resistant modules on the seabed dissipate heat into the surrounding seawater, which acts as a natural cooling source.
Early projects off Shanghai and Hainan show significant efficiency gains: the Shanghai project’s designers estimated about 22.8% lower overall energy consumption, while the Hainan facility has been reported to be 40–60% more power-efficient than traditional facilities, with little or no freshwater needed for cooling. “
Thanks! I just saw that meme yesterday, I was wondering whether Kit would be addressing that in his next installment. Curiouser and curiouser …
That could prove to be an insurmountable task as the data-centres mentioned have no addresses by virtue of them being deep underwater.
I see it the other way. AI is being demonised, and governments will have to step in to prevent data centres stealing all our water and electricity. Then the data centres will be repurposed for CBDC and social credit systems, and the media will be suddenly silent about their resource usage.
One thing’s for certain though: the data centres will be prioritised at times when there isn’t enough water or power for everyone.
In my European 1000 m2 lot it rains 700 m3/year. In my lot only, and same everywhere in the country per 1000 m3.
A household with 2 kids uses 100 m3/year. 600 m3/year to everything else and surplus run to the groundwater, ditches, rivers, lakes, and from there to the salty sea to be cleaned and evaporated again.
Wuaww wuaww auhhh auhhh , but the pipes are destroyed, asbest, lead, leaks and cancer reports. Many many problems. We are having so many personal problems.
Water is the ultimate commodity upon which all life on Earth depends, perhaps second only to Sun.
Therefore, it is the ultimate control mechanism. He controls the water controls every living thing, better than the food supply which depends on water anyway and much better than energy.
The big question is why link its availability and blame potential shortages on data centres rather than other users of water that consume far more? Well, since the controllers create narratives to fulfil more than one agenda, getting the public to demonise data centres could be of use to them. Most data centres are not part of the Big Brother surveillance grid, for better or worse since the advent of the computer age, they provide the services which we rely upon in daily life.
Banking, logistics, manufacturing, transport and every form of industry, utilities, services and retail depend upon them. Without them we return to the Stone Age fast. Now, if the important ones were to fail due to manufactured crises blamed on water shortages, then for example in the case of logistics, there will be no food in the supermarkets or shops within days. In the developed world everything is done on a ‘just in time’ basis, that means a logistics breakdown would lead to empty shelves within 3 days, since supermarkets only hold 72 hours worth of stock during normal times with normal demand.
Extend these data centre shutdowns to utilities providers such as water, electricity, natural gas and petrol and imagine the chaos. Health services and emergency services would collapse too.
A strategic manufactured failure of the data centres that provide the backbone to so-called civilized society would cause utter chaos, civil unrest and deaths through starvation and disease. Even if the failure did not extend to critical infrastructure that supports human life, a manufactured failure of the banking systems could wipe out the records of people’s savings and investments overnight. I am sure in that event the loans records including mortgages would remain intact – so conveniently no debt relief.
“You will own nothing and be happy….”
The growing dependence on ICT is insanity. It can fail due to natural phenomena, economic imperialism, suppliers collapse, supplier/employee error, mismanagement, crime, etc. All governments are aware of most of these threats, but seem to have a zombie-like determination to impose digital cash and digital ID, even in wretchedly poor nations.
A flu killing off the rich?
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=XyQl3xMIJl0
We should be so lucky.
Looking forward to this series – OG is always out front of these narratives. Faking water scarcity is potentially terrifying in its potential for levels of control it could be used to introduce. Genuine hardship too.
My suspicion is that we’re being softened up for Data Centers becoming State, or more likely Public Private Partnership quote unquote, enterprises. A number of Data Centers at varying stages of planning/development won’t ever be built. But enough of them will, and since Oracle, AWS and the rest have positioned themselves as Too Vital To Fail, it will be ‘necessary’ for the State/PPPs to save the jobs at risk etc etc and promise to run them in sUsTaiNaBLe ways. Behold: a study reveals that your Official Data Center, unlike those stinky behemoths in AOC’s hood, barely even uses any water at all!!!
The UK gov can find umpteen millions to subsidise Larry Ellison’s Universal World in Bedfordshire after all. The exact same Larry Ellison who runs a central panopticon apparatus. The same Larry Ellison who sends instructions to Trump, Satanyahu, Puppet Starmer, and the rest.
It’s nothing to do with water that’s for f sure.
Because official Data Center’s books dont show any use of water at all, is no excuse for ignoring all the other reports about lack of drinking water resources to the sheeple.
Water is dry, 2+2=7, and Pythagoras is a Greek restaurant where your local political copy/pasting of Trotsky is eating pizza every wednesday.
The randomness of your ‘comments’ has a certain shabby glamor
Chatham House recommending govts “rethink their approach to water” is fucking ominous. I think you’re right and something major, is coming our way.
Mandatory smart water meters? Perma-rationing? Water-permits tied to citizenry rating through your digital ID?
In the UK and other wet/temperate zones the idea of serious permanent water shortage is laughable – but people will probably be persuaded to believe it. Because most people are panicky unintelligent fools. .
In general, when something is so noisy, “in swarm”, attacked by liberals (msm establishment), it leads to the activation of the counter-reactionary swarm and the affirmation of the opposite opinion in the right camp.
So, if you want to establish a belief on the right – attack it on the left.
Perhaps that is way now the noisy and media anti-technological activism has been delegated to the liberals and is qualified as “anti-technological terrorism”. And they were specifically targeted at data centers, I think?
If I haven’t missed the article, here and elsewhere in the critical alt sphere, it still hasn’t been denied the fundamental role of data centers for the efficient functionating of technocracy (which you are writing against*)?
(*I say “against you write”, because I am not against technocracy, which is the malicious use of digital technologies for dictatirship; I am against the sinking into the digital ceespool pit in general, no matter what good it is used for, and your stuggle ensures that the sinking into the pit continues, but a victory would cement it as part of the life of the brain.)
..So after the announcement of the plan for intensive construction of data centers, there was a lot of noise, including in right-wing circles, which caused indignation and some split, after it became clear to some of them that the saviors were preparing a dark maga technocracy.
Including here, there are constantly articles after articles exposing the Trump team as an arm of the Cabal, introducing fechnocracy. “The glass filled with a lot of water, but overflows because of only a few drops”, says the ancient Greek thinker Tehnokratis in “Circle and fate”.
And exactly one if the consecutive articles here overflow the cup of the Cabal’s patience. Their technocracy was threatened. At a secret meeting on Lolita Island, the committee of the 300, the heads of the 13 families, and the Prince of this world, Rotschild, made the following decision:
“If as one people exposing our plans they have begun spreads hesitation for data centers, then nothing of their plan to rejecting technocracy will be imposible for them.
In order for the critical conservative to accept the data centers we will spread as a fact in the mainstream, through the UN, and our academics, the erroneous and easy-to-dismiss notion that the centers consume a lot of water.
And they, author after author, and site after site, will rush to refute and expose it (as we did with “vaccines save lives”, “global warming”, “the biological sex and race are social constructions”, and everything else,as result of which our Trump card being introduced to introduce technocracy.)
“Here it is, as always: if the mainstream of the liberal establishment says it, then it is the other way around – it always works like this, and we always reveal them quickly. But way do they say it? Narrative of deindustrialization, in order to set the economy back, create a crisis and ruin society”, they will say themselves and will estimate the importance of the centers (without which our technocracy cannot live).
And even before we have drunk or glasses with wine, they will shared and spread the thousand articles million times and write ten million comments in support.
And here is the big gain – whoever has ears, let him listen:
By doing this, they will water our digital flower, and it will smell even more enchanting to them.
Because the data exchange is the water of the Internet;
And he who does not drink will die, but he who drink will live, grow and have a long live.”
Minor point: did they have glasses in ancient Greece?
I have noticed the same strange media focus on data centres recently, in fact I have commented on it here. Why are they doing this? The tie-in with the “water bankruptcy” narrative seems clear – but still, why focus on data centres when they are essential to the control machine? They could focus on farming or industry which use much more water.
Is it perhaps because they realise data centres are already unpopular and it might be easier to get public opinion behind a “water bankruptcy” fear campaign based on their antipathy to dara centres and AI?
The fact most data centres have nothing to do with AI is of course also left out of the narrative.
Data centers have nothing to do with AI? I thought they were providing the data for AI.
Come on guys – just when I think I understand it all.
I said MOST data centers have nothing to do with AI. Some do.
Data centres are really just big offices dedicated to processing information. They’re communication and processing hubs and most of what they process is just the day to day traffic that keeps society running in this modern age.
All delivery services rely on data centres, Electricity grids and water supplies, emergency services – police, fire, ambulances – hospital appointments, travel networks, essential medicine supplies, holiday bookings, traffic information, mail orders – you name it and a data centre is involved in keeping it running.
Without data centres modern life would grind to a halt and there would be empty shelves in the shops, essential medicines undelivered – chaos actually and genuine threats to life.
When people talk about data centres negatively what they are really talking about are quite specific ones that process surveillance, and the minority involved in generating some AI.
These can be said to be either hostile or a waste of space. But even so – their environmental impact remains pretty low compared to most human activity so attacking these specific data centres on that ground makes little sense. rather they should be challenged for the work they do and its potential impact on privacy.
The question is, as Kit says – why is the establishment using distorted propaganda to discredit the reputation of an essential establishment tool?
It is potentially quite sinister.
I wrote a comment similar to yours about this theme and why the controllers maybe demonising data centres. Anyway, it went to pending
Yes, I read it just now – we are thinking alike on this issue
Move aside scary viruses. Flesh-eating screwworms are a-coming for humans, as soon as the little critters mootate and learn to jump species… And there arent no injections developed to protect us. But first they’re a-gonna decimate the cattle herds that are bringing the world to an end with their farts.
Expects to hear of entire herds put down soon – to protect us ?
Though there are no jabs, they can scan your body, cut out each worm or cyst (or pretend to), and present you with a fat bill.
In the UK treated sewage water is pumped back in the reservoirs and rivers to be reused as drinking water. It’s actually not hard to filter out the tampons and toilet paper and kill the biological disease carriers. The problems is people flush a lot of other weird stuff down the dunny, Old pharmaceuticals, household poisons and forever chemicals etc that the treatment system can’t filter or neutralize. And I’m not referring specifically to the toilet, all the grey water from washing machines and kitchen sinks and laundry tubs goes down there too. Who hasn’t poured some old garden chemical down the laundry sink?
I stopped drinking tap water 15 odd years ago to avoid the fluoride. I wouldn’t touch it with a barge pole now! Get yourself a rainwater tank.
I have to be honest here and say this article has gotten me rather befuddled and confused. As I typed that I just saw a middle aged man with a man bun walking his dog down an empty street… fully masked. Maybe he thinks his dog will give him Ebola or Monkey Pox or something. It’s bonkers here. But I digress… why would the media presstitutes be planting doubts about data centres that are springing up everywhere like mushrooms after rain. The very same data centres that will be the foundation of the digital panopticonic gulag and surveillance state, where data is being touted by the WEF minions as “the new oil bonanza”. And yes Kit, I’ve seen those videos of people in Georgia who supposedly live next to data centres in that state, and they paint a disturbing and miserable picture since the data centres were built. I’ve seen articles from alternative media sites warning how bad data centres will be, and how they will use vast amounts of water, not to mention the noise they emit. There’s a huge data centre being built in the next suburb of West Footscray to where I live, and a massive data centre at Plumpton on the northern outskirts of Melbourne that will be the largest in Australia and cover a whopping 350 hectares. So why are they planting doubts about all this?
That’s what Kit says in the article – it’s weird. They’re planning something obviously
Damn good question. It seems counter-intuitive. And yet they are doing it. AOC is an establishment puppet currently bashing data centres with phony factoids! Very bizarre.
Like you said… its weird, and yep, very aware that AOC is an establishment puppet, and I forgot to mention that the Greens and a socialist group here have started kicking up a fuss and raising concerns about the data centres being built in Melbourne as well.
Maybe they do intend to start using those mini nucleur reactors to operate the data centers. And the excuse will be “Well, the alternative is running out of water.”
I really do feel for the people who live near these huge centers. You can surveille me all you want, but do it quietly. That noise would put my last nerves on edge.
Important:
Be careful who you trust.
Wicked people in all places
https://francisoneill.substack.com/p/the-curious-case-of-ed-the-techie
OT:
23:30 sure is a long minute.
Its a psyop, and they are mocking you to your face telling you.
Off topic😖
Another nail in the ‘Covid’ coffin?
https://brownstone.org/articles/the-shocking-damage-caused-by-covid-policies/
Here’s hoping.
And again.
A voice from the grave:
https://www.globalresearch.ca/christine-cotton-final-message/5928773
From a brave soul on the inside of Big pHarmer.
I just read that yesterday. I’d never heard of her but wow, she did extensive study on the cvid and vaccine corruption.
Was her pain caused from the vaccine? That was never established.
Not sure Judith.
So what’s her point? I am gathering something like there was no quality control on the “vaccines” and they just shipped out any old crap. But I can’t tell from your link and I can’t read the article from the medical journal. Summary please.
You can find her story on Global Research. It’s right there at the top of the page, with her photo.
Where’s my comment here, made this am PST? You guys are back to censorship?Can’t allow critique? Is this not totalitarianism.
What happened to my comment here?
your comment has perhaps run away with Kit’s article? No, all are here I think.
Remote districts attract data centres. The bribes are lower, and the residents can get little publicity or afford to prosecute.
If electricity generation consumes too much water as the article suggests, the choices are (a) buy sustainable technology (b) for direct use of water, buy solar-powered machines that condense water from the air.
What most of us get free with piped water: chlorine, fluoride, alum (aluminium sulphide).
This almost sounds like a psy-op to justify these fucking evil data centers for something, AI, that we should put in a shitcan and slam the lid shut. It’s like, hey, they’re not so bad, it’s all being exaggerated so they can control our water. Well no shit, one feeds the other, that’s how it works. They need the data centers, and they do take a lot of fucking water, so they have to condition the public to accept that, because the public at large is surely accepting any technology thrown their way. The fight is against AI and technological dystopia and those doing it.
The generalizations, such
“as we find that total amount of water used annually by human beings is around 4 quadrillion litres, almost 1000x times as much. Meaning data centres currently account for just ~0.1% of global water usage”,
are seriously skewed to not account for individual situations, such as the one in my own community and many other places in the U.S. And again, the main point is no matter how you paint it, these things, and the reason for them, are big trouble in many ways, not just some fucking psy-op to control our water resources.
But then again, I’ll reserve judgement until I see more of the series.
Maybe the aim of the psy-op is to influence governments to provide public (taxpayer) funding for Elon’s ambition to place a million privately ownedhigh powered data centers into near space orbit where they wont need water to cool them because, as everybody knows, space is ‘cool man, cool’ ?
“smart” tech modifies the head and collects it’s processes within the data centres captive environment, best thing you can do is to drop them in water .
What happened to the FAKE war article with over 300 comments?
Why do I have to reboot OG to post?
The fake war article is where you last found it. It has not disappeared or run away!
The article written by Kit, calling all the current wars fake, not the video or the Whitehead thing.
yes, it is where it always was – you think it escaped perhaps? 🙂
You know, OG’s “pending” business and how comments get withdrawn and then posted back just causes confusion for those of us here who occasionally criticize the content of articles and are subject to stupid whack-a-mole regimens. It’s just another way to institute plausible deniability censorship while confusing/embarrassing those commenters. I thought with the change from other/previous Admin, if it actually happened (there’s no way to tell in this two-way mirror of the internet), that things would change. But as long as anyone is kept in your pending FAKE prison, I can see the trap is set to do what it’s designed to do. It just goes to prove the impossibility of the internet to perform as an actually useful social tool for humanity to communicate and exchange ideas. Talk about FAKE. New boss, just like the old boss. Have a nice day! 😉
[Just for your information, when I am here for more than a bit, the POST COMMENT button will not engage and I have copy my text, refresh the page, then paste back in.]
Comments do not get withdrawn and put back unless by accident. Pending is very necessary or you would all be buried under the spam. For every comment you make would be 200 about nasty things and brides to be bought and games to play. No, pending is better.
The problem with posting is that we must have Cloudflare protecting us all day and night or site will really disappear. It means things are slow – for me also. I am asked to prove I am human person about five times in an hour!
Thanks for the response, Elvira. While I understand your organizational concerns, having me on PENDING, is totally unnecessary. And I can’t tell you the battle I have had trying to figure out why I’m being PENDED and then the incidents i’ve encountered have made me believe the internet is impossible to trust in any way. Nothing personal. Your predecessor was a real piece of work tho.
Cheers!
This place is kind of hilarious. The sycophancy, especially to Kit, is interesting but no different from many places I’ve frequented. As an “Old schooler”, I agree with ya.
This is the only site I go to where I have to verify I’m a fucking human every single time, and even then, half the time it doesn’t work.
For real. Everything for Kit is FAKE and he has no answers nor does he seem to want any fixes. Fear porn and go crawl in a corner. Go figure. Why kinda revolutionary is that? Al have you read Callenbach’s “Ecotopia”? You might find it fun from a number of perspectives. Cheers!
we are also then the only place you visit that must have Cloudflare on day and night just to stop the bad guys from breaking in and taking down site! Perhaps there is a reason for that?
Also I think only place where you can say how bad we are all the time and still get welcome in?
I can’t agree with your first two points Al, I see far less sycophancy and far more room given to criticism on here than on any comparable site. Where are you visiting that allows more hostility to be expressed toward the site itself BTL than here?
In fact I think they have been too lenient that way in the past. It’s one thing to critique an article or policy but quite another to turn up and routinely smear the actions and motives of the authors/editors without providing any justification beyond being disgruntled at what they say
Dude, stop whining at the admin like some entitled Karen!
If you were on the PENDING list, you would not be saying that! What’s more, you have no idea who that Karen was. That “Karen” was a white asshole ratting, playing COP, ADMIN, on some black folks enjoying themselves, barbecuing by the Lake in Oakland, CA. You’re the Karen here. Entitled? Get yourself a dictionary.
This article if made by AI would be called slop. Criteria for this series of articles is apparently from Andy Masley, a person who could not even respond to a comment in contradiction to his data, with facts, but an assertion of attribution of water uses that’s in error. Read the article yourself.
https://dl.acm.org/doi/10.1145/3724499
Almost every article sited outside Masley’s is firmly on the side of massive data center water consumption as real.
Fresh water sources are not even mostly drinking water and when cooling servers evaporates water from wells, acquifers and other local drinking water sources, they are evaporated, CONSUMED, lost to local resident use. There are many more areas than Georgia with data center water problems in the US. Water and other reasons are why we in the US are trying like hell to stop data centers. They make noise for miles that makes living near them impossible. AI is something only the elite want to make instant money from, at humanity’s expense. There’s one planned in Utah that is twice the size of Manhattan! This is not normal. The US at around 4000 data centers has more than the next 14 countries and many many more planned. US daily per capita water use is 3732 litres, 2.33x the world average of 1600 cited by Masley.
Masley’s funding for his article writing
https://www.andymasley.com/
is from
https://coefficientgiving.org/
a philanthropic organization that sponsors biosecurity research to the usual corporate list of elites…
https://coefficientgiving.org/funds/biosecurity-pandemic-preparedness/
A little better research up front please!
Actually the article is extremely well researched – your emotional bias is showing.
From my own recent research into this it doesn’t seem as if anyone is questioning the very low percentage of water consumption by data centres. About 0.1% of global water usage seems to be agreed across the board, which is peanuts compared to industry and farming.
What these media fear mongers do is ignore this fact or any other context in order to present what amounts to propaganda.
And please remember most data centres have nothing to do with AI and many actually perform vital functions in maintaining food and commodity supplies, online shopping, social security payments etc.
But ultimately it’s not about attacking or defending data centres – it’s about being wise to a fast-developing agenda of which this data-centre fear porn is just a part.
Fair comment!
Its just difficult to see if you actually defend 5000 Data Centers at the size of Manhattan plastered all over America because they make online shopping and pay social checks to drug addicts.
Are Data Centers good in your opinion?
The mere fact you ask “are data centres good” demonstrates estrangement from what they are. You might as well ask “are books good?” or “are cupboards good?”
It totally depends on what is in them and the purpose to which they are put.
Some data centres organise the distribution of vital medicine. Some run cloud systems where people store their photos, work projects etc. Some keep surveillance systems in operation. Some keep social security payments going.
If you use Netflix or Amazon or Archive.org, or any online research tool – you are accessing a data centre.
So, the answer is – the good data centres are good, the bad ones are bad.
I don’t know where you live but in the US, the epicenter of AI, the AI/Tech industry are demanding a doubling of data centers, for AI, and a doubling of total energy in the US, for their “needs”.. This drives mini-nukes on site of data centers, with a terrifying buildout of death technology that has been frozen in the US for 50 years. Rural communities are being drained of water access when these data centers evaporate local drinking water, much less noise and destruction of land, ecosystem and life quality. Driving people to cities may be a side objective.
More internet, cloud, data use to replace physical society with an AI policed remote control economy, is their objective and what we commoners must put a halt to. Data centers are indeed an anti-society tool of the elite to cage humanity.
Since data centres use at maximum 4% of the total energy output then doubling their number would increase the energy output of the US by another 4% – it certainly wouldn’t double it!
The idea that a collection of server banks can require vast heretofore unknown inputs of energy is frankly ridiculous.
If a car plant or a steelworks can run off the grid – using vastly greater anounts of energy – then obviously data centers can too. The fact some of them opt to use generators or off-grid systems is just a choice. Many industries do the same. It certainly doesn’t indicate some gargantuan occult energy consumption. – What would they be using such immense amounts of power on? They are just large processing units.Scaled up versions of your home computer.
While data centres can be a tool of the state (though not all of them are), they simply do not have this insane level of environmental impact claimed for them. It breaks down on any kind of analysis and therefore the motives behind pushing this extreme propaganda need to be deeply questioned.
Do you really advocate closing down all data centres? Removing the cloud? Do you realise modern life would screech to a halt? No food in the shops, no medicines in the pharmacies, no phone connections, no internet, no communication, no fuel.
Do you not think a happy medium might be better?
pending
The aim of the psy-op is to soften us up for the acceptance of having to drink recycled sewerage water, and maybe even to encourage heavy public (taxpayer) investment in building big energy demanding desalination plants to provide the water for the privately owned data centers ?
Countries in the Middle East rely heavily on desalination plants, and Big Tech has installed data centers. Iran has made it clear the desalination plants in the hostile countries surrounding it are those countries Archilles Heels. (The more complex the relied on technology becomes, the more fragile it becomes).
No one in the “greatest nation” wants to know why China is managing with few new data centres. As PT Barnum may have said, “There’s one born every minute”.
Apparently, as ‘republicofscotland’ has noted, the Chinese are building their AI data-centers under water: https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/china-powers-ai-boom-with-undersea-data-centers/
I did read about that. It makes no sense to me as it is in the sea (off the coast), not in any of its cold rivers. Another even more outlandish claim by a writer from China about a year ago is that the “centres” will be some satellites.
Then there’s the ‘elephant’ in the room.
Seventy percent of world water use is for animal agriculture, and more than half of that is in dairy production.
Humans do not need animal products to survive. Tens of millions of healthy vegetarians and vegans proves that. But don’t believe me: Do some research. Eclectic research.
I await the tsunami of down votes.
As for Data Centres: Fuck em. Just more ways to sell more shit to more people.
Tsunami? A chuckle perhaps, a sideways glance. The truth is Meat and dairy have sustained humans throughout all time whereas Veganism and Vegetarianism are just middle-class fads that are fading away, Again. You won’t find any at the top or the bottom of the food chain I assure you. Do some research on the fruitarian movement of the 1890’s, a fad that came and went.
Better a chuckle than an inoperable bowel cancer or blocked arteries caused by the consumption of animal fats.
Humans eat animals out of tradition and peer pressure. End of story.
Your body, your choice.
Their body (billions of them) NO CHOICE.
https://www.vegansouls.com/top-vegan-animals
(Ten of the world’s largest creatures are vegan).
The world’s fastest growing dietary choice is veganism.
Ever read the research on the high turnover and the psychological damage felt by those Folks who work in animal slaughter factories?
Fruitarianism is useful as a detox diet.
Dude that is outdated uninformed BS.
The promotion of chemically unstable vegetable fats as “healthy” was a Bernaysian propaganda campaign instigated by the seed oil industry when they needed to find a fresh market for their product when petroleum products replaced them as engine and industrial lubricants.
So yeah people were persuaded to consume hydrogenated chemically extracted sludge previously deemed unfit for human consumption, bottled with pretty pics of sunflowers on the label or dyed yellow and sold as a “healthy alternative to butter”.
And that’s when heart disease really went off the charts, but another Bernaysian ad campaign persuaded people this was down to consuming animal fats, even though all the arterial plaques ever examined showed them to consist of UN saturated fat – which made sense because unsaturated fats are unstable and breakdown in the body into unhealthy compounds the body can’t deal with.
But the seed oil industry and Big Pharma just lied and said the exact opposite and advised people to eat even more “healthy” seed oil sludge – so even more people died from heart disease.
The truth only started to come out about 20 years ago. Animal fats are saturated, stable and safe. Unsaturated vegetable fats are unstable and highly dangerous.
Eat butter, cream, and cook with lard. If you’re vegan stick to cold pressed saturate fats fats like avocado oil or coconut oil.
Stay the fuck away from sunflower oil or blended veg oils – they are poison
Most vegans have done far more research, and a far more fastidious in their food choices than your average artery blocked, dead meat, “I’ll eat what my daddy did” omnivore.
Tell us something we don’t know.
If you think animal fats block arteries you have done no research, just consumed Bernaysian advertising.
Some things you apparently don’t know –
1 : the fatty plaques that cause heart disease have never been shown to contain saturated fats – always unsaturated fats.
2 : the mechanism for how unsaturated fats would breakdown in the body and cause atheroma (fatty plaques) is well understood since unsaturated fats are unstable and break down into toxic or inflammatory compounds the human body can’t process.
3 : saturated fats however are very stable and don’t break down into these unhealthy compounds.
4 : the rise of epidemic heart disease tracks with the widespread introduction of “healthy” unsaturated fats into the human diet.
5 : you can be vegan and still avoid unhealthy fats. Coconut oil and avocado oil are both saturated stable fats and very safe to consume.
And the ethics of animal slaughter?
https://nyupress.org/9781479825967/the-omnivores-deception/
Should we let that just run, crawl, fly or swim past?
Or will we grab it, cage it, kill it, slice it, cook it, and eat it?
Oh enough of the Eastern Religious guilt trip please. If someone wants to eat like a rabbit that’s their choice but it should be obvious by now that the vast majority of us reject it and no amount of pseudoscience preaching is going to change that.
And if you claim it’s not a religion, which it is, shopping mall Buddhism basically. Then you believe in Evolution and that we are just animals too. Well a scant look around the animal kingdom shows me that killing and eating is the ‘evolved’ practice on Earth. I have nothing against Vegans, I just find their constant proselytizing a bit cringe.
When it comes to ‘proselytizing’, Muck Donalds, their ilk, and the dairy industry win by a blood soaked mile.
They’ve been flogging their products for at least eighty years.
You omnivores need to get out a bit more:
https://nutritionstudies.org/the-china-study/
For your information I have a sibling who raised two children from birth as vegetarians. She became one after being involved with the Animal Liberation movement. Both children grew up gaunt and withdrawn and one has tons of medical issues to this day!
They both left home around age 18 and within a year both had become MEAT eaters. Their bodies craved it all their young lives but they were denied it by a fanatical control-freak mother. When I look back now I consider it a form of child abuse. And that’s a true story, I watched it unfold.
Yeah, I’ve heard those type of anecdotes many times.
Also heard the antithesis of them too.
How do you know? Where did you get your information about human sustenance through the ages? I know where. You made it up!
For your information, the majority of people in most societies–with exceptions like Mongols and Eskimos–live primarily on grains and vegetables.
Your average Roman legionary at porridge, bread, olive oil. And then marched 30 miles in full gear. And then built a walled encampment. Then ate porridge bread and oil. Went to sleep and did it again the next day. All on porridge bread and oil. No, Rome conquered the world on vegetables. In fact, the Romans considered porridge and bread and oil hard foods. Why, because grain has to be crushed and ground and mashed and baked, while soft food like meat, just has to be grilled and sliced from the bone. In other words, to the Romans, real men were vegetarians. These are actual historical facts, as opposed to the dream world you create to justify your own ignorant behavior.
Please don’t twist my posts and make stuff up ok!
I said above “Meat and dairy have sustained humans throughout all time”
I didn’t say “Meat and dairy have sustained ALL humans throughout time.
You’re historical cherry picking was uncited, but even then what does it amount to? Do you honestly believe Roman infantrymen didn’t eat meat when the opportunity arose? They had butchers in their camp kitchens. Here, this will explain it for you. So much for your “historical facts”
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SvWSeNPRBQ4
Did the Native peoples of America and Australia etc eat meat? Yes, the buffalo was a prime food source in America for thousands of years and one of the reasons for the “Indian wars” And Australian natives had advanced weapons solely designed to bring down game. It was their major food source and even today their right to hunt traditional meat animals is protected. By Law.
Anyone on the planet who could get their hands on some meat would gobble it down I assure you, it’s only certain religious sects that abstain, and in our culture that’s shopping mall Buddhism. Born out of the meditation and Guru mania of the 1970’s. But you have to be a wealthy middle class person to indulge in it, those nuts you need for protein cost a fortune and most become “Organic Food” buyers too, which adds a lot to the shopping bill. Are you “organic”
It’s you who are living in the dream world my friend. A captive of the vegetarian food industry.
And you are a captive of habit, tradition and the “Feed the man meat bullshit” my friend.
Absurd statistic. Irrigation is used for crops, not livestock.
I’m a vegetarian. But I still don’t approve of nonsense.
Surrounded by dairy and vegetable farms, I can see, every day, which corporatised, privatised, behemoths consume the most water.
Anyways, AI and Wiki, via government sites, spewed out the stats.
“Anyways”? So they talk like hillbillies as far away as Australia now. Another sign of the Apocalypse.
Words become legitimate through common usage:
https://linguisticsguide.com/anyway-or-anyways-which-is-correct-how-to-use-plus-examples/
how can you “see” that?
Massive overhead and flood irrigation on dairy farms.
Just to fatten the herds via lush paddocks.
Drip systems on veggie farms.
Your last sentence saved you….this time.
We cant all live like cows on a grass field. Just saying. Fine that you and the veggies can do it side by side with dairy.
During a major water shortage a few years back the authorities promoted “Shower With A Friend” as a means for us to use less water. I didnt have any friends at the time and after not showering for a week i had even less friends.
Like most of these “issues” it’s the city people who are engaged in them, people who are solely dependent on government and large infrastructure to meet their daily needs. While many rural towns have city style water supplies the residents also have tanks typically. I myself have 10,000 L of rainwater tank storage, so a loss of city supply would be a big inconvenience, not a disaster.
Now as for the Problem, it is most recognizable in the disruption of urban water supply, leading to restrictions. That is what we are hearing. But if you talk to any city water dept. worker or engineer, on the side of the road, they will tell you the reality. And the reality is around 50% of water pumped into cities is now lost due to leakage of the aging pipe networks. At least that is what I was told and it made perfect sense given the age of these networks. I have questioned more than one group of workers too, and story was the same. It explains the continual drop in pressure over time as they seek to minimize the leakage, have you noticed that? Over the decades I mean. Sewage workers have told me a similar story about the established network they work on. It’s been stressed to the limit by increasing human density in urban and city suburbs where unit towers spring up like daisies and one block is divided into 2 or even 3. And you can’t just dig up every street and backyard and replace it all. That’s impossible now.
Has anyone ever heard of this? I would doubt it. It’s the reality hidden in plain sight and the people are instead fed reasons that are, let us say, Huge and existential, beyond the ability of governments to fix. This way governments avoid questions they have no answer for, no solution too. Replacing all the water mains from the dams to the houses and other buildings is basically affordable if not impossible without Major disruptions. They can barely keep the roads free of potholes, barely keep up with the major leaks as they occur. Over the past 100 years we have collectively built, with the aid of cheap oil, an infrastructure we cannot replace without a vast new source of cheap energy. The last 100 years was a big experiment designing the ‘perfect’ living arrangement for people who demanded the soft life, the easy life. Well sorry, but it’s over.
To keep capital/project/bid costs down, it is routine evade maintenance and refurbishment. Some pipes are still asbestos-concrete. In a US town, most pipes were found to be lead over a decade ago. Fracking in the region poisons acquifers and pipe water.
Only a Brit or someone from a similarly soggy country could question the issue of water scarcity.
The reason Australia’s population is so small relative to its land mass? Water scarcity in large parts of the country, and water insecurity in much of the rest.
Dorothea Mackellar said it first and best over 100 years ago:
I love a sunburnt country,
A land of sweeping plains,
Of ragged mountain ranges,
Of droughts and flooding rains.
Drought is a given here. It’s cyclic, although not altogether predictable, and thus not altogether plannable. For example, cities that rely on lakes for their municipal supply can use only what is in those lakes, and no more.
As for me, I’m well out of the city. I rely on a rainwater tank for my water supply. Even though I live in the rainy south, I risk running out of water every summer unless I drastically change my habits in relation to showering, laundry, dishwashing, etc.
Water scarcity is very much a thing.
And it was the first thing on my mind when I returned to Australia after 25 years in the US to find that our population had ballooned from just under 18 million to over 25 million while I was away. My first thought about the “Big Australia” immigration policy was this:
Where is the water for all those extra people going to come from?!
Isnt it just a question about tank size, digging a deep well or the like?
If people would just move to where there are water plenty, coastlines, mountains, so no problem.
But it seems people MUST live in the middle of a desert and they MUST live on the edge of a tectonic plate movement which frequently makes earthquakes…….and it is all god his fault……..because god didnt stopped these earth movements.
The fact water can be scarce in some places doesn’t mean they aren’t going to invent a crisis and use it to fuck with us even more than they are now.
Dicey water regularity ? You will still have data centers, and you will like it – regardless. And the data centers will have their full regular water regardless of rains’ irregularity…
What I don’t get is why the need for all the water there? Can’t they recycle what they need in a closed loop. Well of course, but the cost!
I agree. I grew up in California and now live in Oregon, supposed land of rain, that perpetually borders on severe drought. And this is on the west side of the Cascades. California, surprisingly, is a categorized as a desert. If we don’t have big snow packs there, we have drought conditions. The US is a different animal than Europe and here we have problems providing enough and clean drinking water. It’s been a fact of life all my life. Psyop… bullshit.
Except in tiny nations, every politician dreams of the power he can get from a bigger population.
Why would you say that the narrative around water use for data centers is a “psy op?” If anything, it seems like the mainstream is engaging in a dual-purpose narrative: perform a limited hangout of the truth, but appear to share the public’s concern in order to distract and disarm their alarm, while at the same time doing the predictive programming of the “useless eater” serfs to condition them to accept it when the water is gone, at which point they’ll just say the cause is “climate change” instead of the truth which is that the data centers DID take the water.
America’s aquifers are depleting at unsustainable rates due to aggressive agricultural pumping and urban sprawl. With nearly half of monitored sites showing significant declines since 1980, this crisis threatens the nation’s long-term agricultural dominance, food prices, and drinking water availability.
Ground water is what they call fossil water, it takes millennia to fill those aquifers and only centuries to empty them.
So you didn’t read the article or you’re just too dumb to understand some basic math?
Data Centres use 0.1% of the water that gets consumed every year.
0.1%.
99.9% of the water humans consume every year is NOT consumed by data centers.
But people are such dumb sheep they start bleating in terror as soon as they see some decontextualised fear porn. And once their brains get addled with the fear it’s no use trying to explain some basic facts to them.
No wonder the PTB despise the masses. They really are as easy to herd as sheep. A few stupid headlines is enough to get them all steamed about any non-problem from data centers to “immigrants” to “climate change” to “far right extremists” – then see them beg for some action to “solve” the non-existent problem
In some US towns, people already suffer a lack of water, and have got nowhere with complaints. This was after any one off the Big Tech Brothers moved into the neighbourhood.
People living in arid areas have always been on a knife edge with water – this isn’t new. What’s new is the weaponisation of this ongoing REGIONAL issue into a FAKE GLOBAL problem for dystopian ends.
Create a narrative of scarcity, surveil & limit daily individual and/or family consumption, or purchase “water credits” like carbon credits in the marketplace.
Tie the narrative to one or more UN SDG “standards” as the moral imperative.
Get the Pope involved.
Tokenization.
And then there is the apparently arbitrary linkage between AI/date centres and water. I confess that every time I saw an example of AI, it didn’t seem logical to instantly think, “Gosh, that must consume an awful lot of water!”
Maybe we are now firmly ensconced in the realm of the non sequitur. The propaganda system uses X to aim for Y when there is no connection between the items. As in: