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the Paris attacks: challenging the narrative of the “new 9/11”

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The narrative of the Paris Attacks flooding the corporate media right now is rigidly controlled and firmly delineated. The atrocities were committed by ISIS, which is an evil jihadi terror group with no affiliation to western governments, and there was nothing the western security services could have done to prevent them.

No deviation from this is permitted either above or below the line. If you talk about the links between ISIS and NATO or the Saudis you will be censored. Mention the name “Gladio” in the Guardian comments and you will be Memory-Holed on the spot. The idea that such events as these or such entities as ISIS even might be state-sponsored either covertly or directly is currently not permissible in our “free society”. There is currently total lockdown on any kind of dissent.

This lockdown, this suppression of alternative narratives is ultimately more important than the question of who did or did not perpetrate the atrocity. We already know the lines between “terrorist” and “western-backed rebel” are blurred. We already know there is widespread evidence of western support for radical jihadists, so that the finer details of where on the spectrum of responsibility this particular attack lies are both hard to establish and not of foremost relevance.

What really matters is that it’s already clear this event is – at best – being exploited opportunistically to create a “second 9/11.” That very term was being rolled out in the media within minutes or hours of the attacks. We are being told “the world has changed.” That more freedom has to be sacrificed, that the French constitution needs to be “amended”. Anyone opposing a shoot-to-kill policy in the UK (where no terrorist attacks have even occurred so far) are being howled down by vocal mobs. Racism against Moslems is now – like racism against Russians – almost de rigeur, in a kind of dehumanisation campaign so often used by fascist regimes to prepare a population for conquest and destruction. The only debate currently permitted in the pages of corporate news is whether we should “appease” the bad guys or declare war upon “them” (though the location of this “them” is always troubling vague). Given these artificially narrow choices it’s too obvious what the terrorised and corralled populations are likely to pick.

To that extent this already is a “new 9/11.” And it’s up to the alternative media – right now – to do a better job of challenging this Minitrue narrative than was done in 2001 and 2003. People need to be reminded that the reality they are being offered is not the only one available. That other versions are possible and plausible.

With that in mind, over the next few days and weeks we’re going to be offering contrasting takes on the meaning behind the Paris attacks by different authors, all of which challenge not only the official version, but – just as importantly – each other. We’re calling the informal series “challenging the narrative of the ‘new 9/11′”.

If you don’t agree with what a given author says – offer up your own take in the comments, or send us your views for possible publication.

We don’t want to replace one locked down “official narrative” with another. We want to open questions that don’t necessarily have easy or available answers. Because the right and ability to question is ultimately what matters, and what we need to defend. Fluid thinking, and minds open to contrasting possibilities is our best defence against the single-narrative lockstep of authoritarianism.


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  2. darlene says

    I post this for all the closed minded people … serebra sana ( youtube channel ) showed that there were drills on the same day , now here is the smoking gun … a twitter post 48 hours BEFORE the attacks in paris listing the amounts of the dead and injured and thankfuly http://www.superstation95.com got a screen shot , twitter took the post down as two many people were asking questions , so to all you closed minded people i’d say wake up but that seems to be over used instead i offer this … be positive , listen to all , follow none , tc all .




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    • If that’s the same twitter post we saw it was pretty clearly Photoshopped to change the date. There’s plenty of real evidence out there of the motives behind these attacks, and the way in which they are being exploited to further government agendas.The only thing such nonsense as this does is distract and discredit.




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  3. Parisienne says

    Dear offGuardian,

    this is an excellent and commendable initiative. As you say, the “failure” of our media to question the “official narrative” is perhaps as threatening to democracy as the attacks themselves. Even if there were no anomalies in the sequence of the current attacks (in fact there are plenty [1]), truly independent media would have to be skeptical, given that most of the major attacks in Europe between 1945 and 1990 were indeed state sponsored.

    Curiously, this time even many “alternative media” have failed to question the narrative. This might be due to the fact that many of these media outlets adopt (more or less) a Russian point of view. While this was a yielding strategy during the Ukraine crisis and other conflicts, it probably failed this time, since RT didn’t choose to “questioned more”. Only a handful of truly independent minds have remained skeptical, among them apparently the offGuardian.

    So, I’m looking forward to your Paris series.

    [1] Notably, let’s not forget that the sole “claim of responsibility” by ISIS consists of a deleted tweet by a suspended unknown private account, presented by none other than the highly dubious Israeli SITE intelligence company, famous for having published the fake Bin Ladin videos after 2001 and the Hollywood-quality beheading videos of ISIS more recently. In other words, the political interpretation of the whole event rests on a dubious tweet. Since the alleged attackers are all dead, nobody will confirm or deny having acted on behalf of ISIS… http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=a76_1262889240. Add to this the famous emergency exercises on the very same day, the notorious “undamaged Syrian passport” next to an alleged suicide bomber (of whom no video has been published, despite being right next to the stadium), the video sequence of the Pizzeria where nobody gets hurt and when the attacker aims at two ladies his AK47 blocks and he just runs away, and many other curious “details”…




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  4. joe Staten says

    So, this has just blown my little mind wide open. According to his own testimony, one of the first responders on the scene of the Bataclan attack was – believe it or not – Patrick Pelloux, emergency physician and survivor of the Charlie Hebdo massacre.

    Not only that, he says he was taking part in a drill at the time – about multiple terrorist shootings in the city!

    http://www.bfmtv.com/mediaplayer/video/patrick-pelloux-on-a-voulu-aller-tres-vite-pour-sauver-le-maximum-de-monde-695188.html

    [01 :40]

    PP : It just happens that Friday morning, Paris Emergency services were conducting a live drill on this very same type of terrorist attack.

    Newscaster: Really? What a coincidence!

    PP: (hesitates a few seconds) It’s …. a horrible coincidence, ah yes it’s a horrible coincidence that this very evening it was… yes… a horrible coincidence….

    Another emergency drill coinciding with an identical real event? How many is that now? Is someone taking the piss or what?




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  5. Jimmy Gauvin says

    1) Knowing the sponsorship of the Paris events might be interesting
    2) Knowing why western media, and maybe others, prefers the Paris events over the Beirut events is also interesting

    But, in the end, it is how these events are being used to promote more bombs that talks plainly and clearly.
    The logic is very simplistic: more bombs will rid us of the big mean terrorists. That is the main selling point of the mainstream narrative. And I find it answers 1 and 2 above quite well.

    To those who really believe in more bombs, might I suggest a visit to the necrometrics web site ” http://necrometrics.com/ ” to blast that logic to bits.




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  6. nwqfk says

    The answer to all of this is easy. You’ll never stop the terror attacks ‘until’ we all stop these out of control people in government making all this terror possible. You will get exactly what you will put up with.




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  7. It would be entertaining to see how far this site is willing to dive down the rabbit hole of conspiracy theories (‘sure, literally thousands of Parisians witnessed/were harmed by the attacks, but sitting here in my parents basement and adding up random numbers has allowed me to determine the REAL culprits were NATO and the Jews!’) if it wasn’t using an atrocity that has shattered hundreds of families to indulge in masturbatory fantasies about one’s membership of an elite group that knows ‘what’s REALLY going on.’

    Bonus – always nice to see a publication that is willing to simultaneously claim Jihadism is all just a CIA scare story while simultaneously splooshing itself over that beefy Vladimir Putin and his glorious crusade against ISIS…




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    • Mark Gobell says

      daraghmcdowell

      Your post is hugely insulting.

      “… but sitting here in my parents basement and adding up random numbers has allowed me to determine the REAL culprits were NATO and the Jews!’) if it wasn’t using an atrocity that has shattered hundreds of families to indulge in masturbatory fantasies about one’s membership of an elite group that knows ‘what’s REALLY going on.’”

      If that’s the best you can do I feel pity for you.

      You clearly have no clue what you are talking about.

      The so-called “Jihad” of 23 August 1998 – ( 48 months, 48 weeks, 48 days before 9/11 ) should you one day, decide to research it is a completely false construct.

      Also, the alleged “2nd OBL Fatwah to – “Kill Americans and Jews of 23 February 1998” is a Zionist mastubatory fantasy, brought to you by the Sykes-Picot obsessives in Tel Avi and their sponsors in Washington and London.

      So to relieve you of your crass ignorance, perhaps you ought to avail your evidently closed mind, of this …

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      Sykes-Picot: Al Qaeda / World Islamic Front / Osama bin Laden’s alleged 2nd Fatwa to “kill Americans and Jews” on 23 February 1998

      From the Sykes-Picot Agreement on 16 May 1916 to the alleged OBL 2nd Fatwa on 23 February 1998 is:

      = 777 months, 777 weeks, 777 days

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      Likewise, for the ISIS construct and their “Declaration of the Caliphate – entitled “The End of Sykes-Pioct” on 29 June 2014″

      http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?p=1062529154#post1062529154

      So, daraghmcdowell, you fail …

      Miserably.

      I’m in my 50’s and do not live with my parents and gave up masturbating ( myself ) 3119 days ago for your information.

      Now quit the insults and do some edjakashun eh ?

      MG




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      • daraghmcdowell says

        So you can cite with perfect accuracy the number of days since you stopped jerking off, and are citing the website of a man who literally believes a secret group of lizard people run the world.

        You’re right. How could I be so rude as to fail to take you seriously.




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        • Mark Gobell says

          “.. citing the website of a man who literally believes a secret group of lizard people run the world.”

          I don’t cite David Icke’s woirk anywhere.

          Never have.

          I cite my own work which I post on a forum which carries his name.

          Even you can work that out surely …

          MG




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        • christoph says

          Aaha …..Could it have been you or one of your friends that placed that Syrian passport there after the suicide bomber blew himself up in Paris ???…or just like those Algerian born brothers where one of their ID cards was found in the get away car after the charlie hedbo massacre……or Mohammed Atta , the supposedly pilot and terrorist, whose passport turned up after his plane demolished one of the twin towers on 911 and turned the world trade center into molten metal. Paper passports are extremely durable….and ID’s turn up at the most appropriate times.

          Yep you have been playing with yourself in the basement for too long. Start thinking.

          http://thespudd.com/68-of-conspiracy-theorists-live-in-parents-basement-study-finds/




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      • daraghmcdowell says

        PS 23 August 1998 to September 11 2001 is just over 36 months, not 48. An innumerate numerologist… quite a feat.




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        • Mark Gobell says

          daraghmcdowell

          So you can cite with perfect accuracy the number of days since you stopped jerking off, and are citing the website of a man who literally believes a secret group of lizard people run the world.

          You’re right. How could I be so rude as to fail to take you seriously.

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          daraghmcdowell

          PS 23 August 1998 to September 11 2001 is just over 36 months, not 48. An innumerate numerologist… quite a feat.

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          My mishtake – 1998 should have read 1996 of course.

          http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?p=1062499862&posted=1#post1062499862

          The alleged Declaration of Jihad on 23 August 1996 to 9/11 on 11 Septmber 2001 :

          = 44+4 months, 44+4 weeks, 44+4 days

          http://www.timeanddate.com/date/dateadded.html?d1=23&m1=8&y1=1996&type=add&ay=&am=48&aw=48&ad=48&rec=

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          I have no relationship with David Icke.

          I choose to post there because it has a huge audience.

          Did you sit at the back of the class complaining about the “black / white board” or did you take the notes down and do your homework ?

          If you’ve nothinng constuctive to add, apart from “typo anomaly hunting” then you’ve nothign constructive to conntribute.

          Have you ?

          MG




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          • Mark Gobell says

            So far daraghmcdowell

            You have contributed precisely …

            Ad hominem fallacy

            Implied guilt by association fallacy

            Anything more ?

            MG




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            • Mark Gobell says

              daraghmcdowell

              “So you can cite with perfect accuracy the number of days since you stopped jerking off, ”

              Herein lies the problem.

              You are so keen to “make a debunking name for yourself”, not only does your haste backfire on you and render your “opinions” moot, but you do not even have the nouse to see when a joke is being played on you …

              Perhaps instead of 3119 days, I should have said P444 days .

              Geddit now ?

              No thought not, Perhaps you never will eh .

              You are, however, a very useful foil …

              MG




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      • Mark Gobell says

        While we’re in the 777 groove …

        Perhaps you might like / or not / to know this …

        The London 777 events on 7 July 2005 are rooted, not in any so-called “Jihad”, but unsurprisingly in all things Zion.

        As a not-so-gentle reminder of our “historic obligations” to “ze Mandate…”

        From the British Mandate for Palestine CIF on 29 September 1923 to :

        the London 777 bombings on 7.7.2005 is:

        777 months, 777 weeks, 777 days

        http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?p=1062483771#post1062483771

        And, as you will see, it is commong practice in these scripts to pick the “lead patsy” for his role using the same method …

        MG




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    • @daraghmcdowell

      Conflating this site, and all of its contributors, with the comments of one superstitious (and over-energetic) commenter is intellectually dishonest, to say the least. But I’m sure you know that.




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      • Mark Gobell says

        SFS

        To conflate mathematics and date arithmetic with “superstition” is very, very silly …

        Almost like the Enlightenment never even happened …

        MG




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    • In your haste to use the “conspiracy” argument you seem to have overlooked the fact this comment was BTL. OffG hasn’t endorsed any numerology arguments. Nor have we blamed “the Jews.” You obviously want to slip us into some niche for argument’s sake, but sadly we don’t belong there.

      The fact numerous people witnessed the attacks is not evidence of who did them, and there’s little point in trying to dismiss the fact NATO is funding jihadists as a conspiracy theory. It’s an acknowledged fact. Too late for deflection

      And none of us live in a basement, if that helps.




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  8. Mark Gobell says

    Dov Lior, Chief Rabbi says Paris attcks are payback for Holocaust

    http://forum.davidicke.com/showthread.php?p=1062625147&posted=1#post1062625147

    If I had pointed out all of this with the date relationships, the bewildered, the dissonant and of course the Zio Hasbara crew would all resort to the usual tactics …

    Yet when the rabid “Rabbi”, a member of the tribe admits to mass murder – it’s newsworthy.

    When you have the scientific proof of that before your eyes, you ridicule, ignore and run for the hllls ..

    The reason for this ?

    MG




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    • Mark Gobell says

      Forgot to mention, the Jew, Zuckerberg / Facebook has banned David Icke from Facebook because of his proselytising on the Dov Lior confession …

      Just dandy …

      MG




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  9. DomesticExtremist says

    Well I was put on the naughty step for simply pointing out how remarkable it was that the only place in the Middle East to be untouched by the plague of ISIS was the Zionist Entity.
    I’m now in the twilight zone of pre-moderation…




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  10. Mark Gobell says

    Dear OFFG People

    Whilst I applaud you efforts with this site, (I too have had nauseating experiences on The Grauns CIF etc ) and since thye were balied out with the Zio shekel, their editrial has, unsurprisingly suffered.

    So well done for that.

    However, I think you intelligent folk, really do need to up your game vis ISIS et al.

    Allow me to explain.

    The reason why the events in Paris are being called the “French 9/11” is not the obvious one you might think.

    No it’s not the alleged number of casualties either : 129 ( > 3119 3119 3119 )

    If and when readers here and folk elsewhere, really do decide to find out what lies beneath all of this so-called “modern terrorism paradigm”, then and only then, will you be able to fully understand what is going on, who is doing it and why.

    Until then, endless hours spent pouring over media bullshit will get you precisely nowhere.

    To justify this provocative statement, consider these:

    What has changed in your understanding of these “terrorism events” since say, Charlie Hebdo ?

    Can you not recognise yourselves treading the wheel of endless repetition since Charlie Hebdo ?

    Did you not go through all of this “forensic media scrutiny” back in January 2015 ?

    For how long and how many times are you prepared to repeat same over and over again ?

    At what point are you going to desist in preference for doing something else ?

    Do you really want the answers to the questions of who / what / why and equally importantly, when ?

    How has your “forensic scrutiny” of say, the Charlie Hebdo eventsd helped you “analyse” tihs one ?

    Then may I suggest, as politely as possible, that you get your heads out of your backsides, wake up and see what is right under you collective noses ?

    You are wasting your time, “anomaly hunting” in the media. Period.

    The message hidden in plain site about 9/11, which as you know happened on 11.9.2001 is this:

    dd.m.yyyy = 11.9.2001

    yyyy.dd.m = 2001.11.9

    2+0+0+1 = 3 & 11.9 > 3119

    The main “9/11” point about Paris on Friday 13th November 2015 and the reason why our overlords are now referring to it as the “French 9/11” is this:

    From 9/11 on 11.9.2001 to Paris on 13.11.2015 is:

    = 3+11 years, 9 weeks >3119

    http://www.timeanddate.com/date/dateadded.html?d1=11&m1=9&y1=2001&type=add&ay=14&am=&aw=9&ad=&rec=

    Also – you need to know this:

    9/11, WTC93 and GHW Bush
    http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?p=1062499856#post1062499856

    GHW Bush became DCI CIA on 30 January 1976

    3119 + 3119 days later we got WTC93 on 26 February 1993

    3119 days after than we got 9/11

    So, now just take that in and think :

    From GHW Bush DCI CIA on 30 January 1976 to WTC93 on 26 Februaryu 1993 is:

    = 3119 + 3119 days

    From WTC93 to 9/11 is :

    3119 days

    So, from GHW Bush DCI CIA on 30 January 1976 to 9/11 is:

    3119 + 3119 + 3119 days

    Stop for a minute and take that in.

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    3119 is the 444th Prime Number = P444

    444 = 12 x 37

    37 is the current state of the nascent Israeli Empire, the Greater Israel according to the Oded Yinon Plan, is the goal, represented by the next Solomon’s Seal / Star of David as 73

    See here and the link therein.

    http://www.911forum.org.uk/board/viewtopic.php?p=165986#165986

    12 represents 33° World Masonry as in 3x2x2 > Skull & Bones

    and 4+4+4 = the Perfect Masonic Number

    indeed, 3119 is the representation of 33° World Masonry also as follows :

    33 = 3x ( 1+1+9 ) >3119

    Since we are, presumably in th UK, you also need to know this:

    London 777 ( 7.7.2+0+0+5 ) ( Nope it’s not 7/7 that’s another deceiptful distraction )

    = 777 months, 777 weeks, 777 days

    since the British Mandate for Palestine CIF on 29.9.1923

    See here: London 777 – Tube & bus bombings on 7.7.2005
    http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?p=1062483771#post1062483771

    See now what’s going on ?

    The entire WoT paradign is false. Period.

    The entire WoT paradign has been constructed using this Judeo / Masonic Kabbalastic method.

    We have all been hoodwinked. Simple as that.

    Get used to it. And get used to admitting you were and probably still are wrong. Completely wrong.

    But it’s OK. It’s not your fault.

    It’s been going on far longer than you might imagine.

    All of this “pop up terrorist outfit” – “Al Q MK II” nonsense – AQI / IS / ISIL / ISIS nonsense is just that. Steaming b/s.

    Read this and see for yourselves who is really behind ISIS, the ahem, Caliphate and all the rest of it.

    The Sykles-Picot obsessives in Tel Aviv and their sponsors in London and Washington thats who.

    http://forum.davidicke.com/showthread.php?t=295638

    Leave your preconceptions at the door and wipe you feet clean before coming in.

    If you cannot do any of that – you are going to remain, imprisoned in the cave, bewildered by the shadows cast on your four walls by the deceivers and condemned to watching them endlessly whilst kidding yourself that you really are doing something about them by forensically analysing media b/s …

    I’d say that’s a tad mad at worst and at the very least, a complete waste of your time.

    See here:

    GHW Bush, “The Magicians Nephew”, JFK, Aldous Huxley & MK-ULTRA & AQI – Abu Musab al-Zarqawi pledged allegiance to Al Q & OBL on 17 October 2004

    http://forum.davidicke.com/showthread.php?p=1062622021#post1062622021

    Questions / critique are most welcome.

    If you prefer you can reach me at forums at < my surname > .com

    “The hour is getting late” folks …

    Regards

    Mark Gobell




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    • Well, that’s certainly a POV. To me, speaking entirely personally, numerology (or whatever this is you are quoting) is just another form of pareidolia. Though having said that, Christine LaGarde of the IMF certainly seems to endorse it. 🙂




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      • Mark Gobell says

        Record quick time response = you haven’t even read over 8 years of research.

        Read the evidence.

        Ask serious questions / offer a critique – whatever you desire but, first read it.

        Knee jerk comments are a waste of your time and mine.

        If you want to use the perjorative “numerology” tag that’s your affair.

        The answer you claim to seek are right under your nose.

        Are you generally interested in finding our what is going on or are you going to continue wasting your time ?

        MG




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        • Mark Gobell says

          Appeal to authority bullshit.

          Who gives a flying f**l what Lagarde says.

          At best she’s taking the piss because folk are too dumb to notice what is right under thier noses.

          Years of experience tells them so.

          It’s me right here thats delivering the message.

          Not Lagarde OK ?

          So, read it and find out what you’ve all been missing.

          MG




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      • I don’t know if you remember, I’m sure you do but filling BTL with endless reams of twaddle was one of the very effective ways the paid trolls killed it. It was literally impossible to get a sane discussion going.




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        • Mark Gobell says

          “Twaddle.”

          Says the poster who thinks that inane comments on t’interwebs hood any value for anyone.

          Get your head out of your backside and do some reading.

          You also have absolutely no idea what you are talking about.

          Which probably explains why you resort to such tactics.

          You will never find the answers you claim to seek by scouring “copy” forim the media.

          Deep down you know that though.

          So why you kid yourselevs otherwise, only you can answer.

          Hey ho.

          Good luck eveyrone.

          You are all wasting your time.

          MG




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          • Mark Gobell says

            @ Off G Editor & shatnersrug

            Are you referring to my posts ?

            If so why not just come ight our and say so ?

            Of course, in a fair and decent world, you would then be called upon to justify such claims.

            So, which is it to be ?

            A critique / refutation base on critical analysis or sly underhand remarks ?

            If you have something to say about my work / posts then since I presume you are adults it behoves you to say it.

            So say it.

            Otherwise, folk might get the impression that you don’t know what you are taling about and haven’t the courage of your implied convictions.

            MG




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            • This is an open forum Mark and you are welcome to post anything you wish as long as you remain within guidelines of respect and politeness. My comment was simply an acknowledgement of the fact that trolling can take many forms. If we believed that to apply to you we would probably be asking you to stop posting.

              Can I suggest, though, that links to a website containing your arguments might be better than really really long comments, which can tend to clog things up? You can make your salient points much easier to grasp that way.




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          • Good to hear. The corner of YouTube normally given to rational (and semi-rational) dissent has been flooded with Flat Earth and “Paul is Dead” videos. It’s an effective technique. The problem with being the Off Guardian is that moderating comments and/or banning commenters might look hypocritical (any reader capable of a nuanced view would not see it that way, of course)… but would it be feasible to sequester extravagantly nonsensical (and space-hogging) comments in a sidebar, for example?




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            • Mark Gobell says

              Hello SFS

              Have you researched “The Beatles” at all ?

              vis

              MK-ULTRA / Huxley / Wasson et al

              Occult metaphors / allegories etc

              Since you are clearly dismissive of the things you deride above, one would assume therefore that you have done some research to give you the confidence to publicly denounce the work of others.

              So let’s hear what you have to say on all things “occult Beatles” please.

              Hopefully, at the very least, you are aware of a famous work of theirs and it’s inclusion in official assasination narratives ?

              I’m sure the world would love to hear what you have to contribute to that debate …

              MG




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        • O Lucky Man! says

          Ah the broad spread of public opinion, so broad it disappears over the horizon and disengages from its moorings at times. If you will permit, in the style of Mark Gobell —

          Mark, you strike me as a straight up kind of guy who has had his problems and suffered

          So well done for that

          However have you ever anal-ysed your own name?

          Simple numerological substitution for M A R K
          gives us 13 1 18 11

          Let’s get rid of those two gatekeepers 1’s on either end, and look inside the real mystery

          3 1 18 1

          It’s still a little bit hidden in there in plain sight but not beyond our powers of anal(ysis)

          3 1 1 8+1 gives us 3119

          Worrying for you

          You are too dumb to see what is right under your nose

          Who gives a flying f**l(sic) why

          But you are

          Your years of experience must tell you so

          Good:

          Are you even worth redeeming I wonder…

          Well you have a choice. Continue in your bewilderment, staring at the shadows on the wall
          kicking ’em around a bit with your navel gazing pet chinchilla, over a lager-top or two.

          Or may I suggest, as politely as possible, that you get your head out of your own backside all the
          better to wipe your feet clean with.

          When was the last time you admitted that you lie to yourself every day as this 3119 has been going on all your life?

          But the beauty of being ignorant is – you don’t know it.

          Hey ho …

          — Apologies to any sentient life that may have been inadvertently harmed in this message. Please moderators DELETE it if you think it is just feeding the troll but I thought it might bring a bit of amusement to lighten the textual burden here. Keep up the good work.

          … no Mark, not you. Deep down you know that, so much so that it’s laughable really…

          (Dammit, enough! Got to get back to work ;-))




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          • Mark Gobell says

            O Lucky Man!

            A very poor attempt, you have to agree, at snidey, ill-informed denigration.

            Quite why you resort to Gematria is a mystery.

            I talk about apples and you choose to respond with a childish post about oranges.

            Read the posts, offer a critique if you wish and then grow up.

            “Troll” the slander of choice on t’interwebs for those who have no other argument, is a very weak response to volumes of evidence.

            Perhaps you lack the resources to understand what it is that confronts you.

            Try again O Lucky Man!

            MG




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            • misericordia says

              There’s no mystery why O Lucky Man ‘resorted’ to gematria: to show, as has been done many times, that gematria is a poor way to make sense of the world. An example of what I mean can be seen in the work of John Michell, who is quite sympathetic to the utility of gematria, and makes a compelling case for its (sporadic) use in the New Testament scriptures in the original Greek. But in one memorable example, he demonstrates that, if making sense of things may be likened to a game of cards, gematria is the Joker: the famous sentence “And his name is 666” yields exactly the same number by Greek gematria as the name “Jesus Christ.”

              This parlour game is very diverting, and I’m using that word deliberately. What is critical now is to piece together a coherent picture of the Paris events.




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              • Mark Gobell says

                “I talk about apples and you choose to respond with a childish post about oranges.”

                And now you follow it up with a further post about oranges.

                Why is that ?

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                    Ha ha staggeringly funny …

                    It’s apples, we’re talking about, not plums or bananas …

                    Apples.

                    MG




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                      No man is so unhappy as he who has a gift no one wants, be it apples or oranges.

                      Seeking the key to it all will “get you only so far as the vacant lot next to the lumbar yard, where they have roll call.”




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  11. Pingback: Paris Attacks: Challenging the narrative of the “new 9/11” | Scoop Feed

  12. before Corbyn the UK had become a One-Party State, with Tory and New Labour interchangeable. Post Dr.David Kelly murder the BBC has become the official government Propaganda Muck Spreader. Farage was squashed like a bug by the Daily Mail, Sun etc and Corbyn blasted from day one. To get an independent News story you have to watch Al Jazeera or RT-Russia Today. To believe a Cameron lie should be a NHS IQ Test .




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    • Mark Gobell says

      You wanna know under who’s authority Dr David Kelly was murdered ?

      Or are you too going to stay “forensically anal – ysing the media b/s hoping to find a clue ?

      Dr David Kelly – the one man who knew the truth about the elusive WMD, the one man who had to be silenced …

      Murdered 17 July 2003

      = 59 months, 59 weeks, 59 days

      since the vainglorious marionette, Prince Bliar’s “New Labour” dog and pony show on 1 May 1997

      http://www.timeanddate.com/date/dateadded.html?d1=1&m1=5&y1=1997&type=add&ay=&am=59&aw=59&ad=59&rec=

      So, what’s is 59 ?

      Why don’t you know what 59 represents ?

      What is it with the pre-occupation with the “who”, the “why”, the “where” the “how”

      but not the when ?

      Why is that ?

      It’s like “the when” doesn’t even matter to you people.

      That’s a fundamental part of the Trivium Method you are all missing out on so you will never, ever get the full picture with only some of the keys ….

      You know that really don’t you. Deep down inside you do know that.

      And yet you all seem to think that you’re weally weally sewious about anal – ysing world events.

      It’s laughable really.

      Are you even worth redeeming I wonder …

      Well you have a choice.

      Continue in your bewilderment, staring at the shadows on the wall, kicking ’em around a bit with your navel gazing mates, over a latte or two …

      Or, wake up and smell the proverbial …

      It’s your choice …

      *

      So tell me :

      Why don’t you know what 59 represents ?

      Is it because you’re all far too up the intellectual snobbery pooh-pipe ?

      Spending your time blogging your thoughts, like they matter to anyone ?

      Like they make any difference whatsoever to anyone ?

      Like they are able to induce some raised awareness, lift our collective consciousness, simply because you’re pulling apart media fairy tales ?

      When was the last time you admitted that you lie to yourself ?

      Tell me that and I’ll tell you the secrets to Dr Kellys murder ?

      Do you really even want to find out ?

      I’m not so sure.

      MG




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      • so when is the next event scheduled then? – or you need to wait for it to happen first before you can do the math to some apparently important event – that only becomes important when the numbers add up?




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        • Mark Gobell says

          Hello sum1

          Humans, for some unexplained reason are obsessed with the future.

          I have asked for explanations for this phenomenon and the only answer that seems to fit is:

          “Because we are.”

          So what say you ?

          Why do you ask ?

          I get asked this question, usually derisively, more often than any other.

          Usually by smart arses trying to mock.

          Which speaks volumes about them, I’m sure you will agreee …

          Experience shows that it is usually asked by folk who have not even bothered to read, understand or try to comprehend the information presented.

          I spend a great deal of time on this. I rarely have time to look into future dates because of the work load decoding the past.

          Secondly, think about what you are asking.

          Do you think it would be productive and helpful in trying to get the message across, by making bold assertions about the future ?

          What would happen if I did and they proved to be incorrect ?

          Would that assist or hinder ?

          Would you do it ?

          So that’s the sort of very basic consideration you might have exercised before asking such a question.

          Where possible I do keep half an eye on future dates when the conjunction of relationships from the “usual suspects” root events result in the patterns often seen.

          However, I do not publish them for the very obvious reason of undermining the method which I am trying to persuade folk to learn about.

          I have no idea what the evil bastards are going to get up to next.

          Even if I did, foolishly make such claims, I have no idea whether it’s going to be another Dunblane, or Soham, or a bombing or a whatever.

          If you spend some time going through my work, you will learn that it is never a single relationship that results in an event.

          It is always a conjunction from several root events.

          So, for example:

          Privately, I suspected 14, 15 & 16 November for reasons explained here.

          Events for 14, 15 & 16 November 2015 and possible near future dates
          http://forum.davidicke.com/showthread.php?p=1062621241#post1062621241

          That contradicts what I said above about not publishing, but note, that post was made on the morning following the Paris events as I felt compelled to point out the conjunction of GHW Bush and Netanyahu.

          As I say, privately, I was expecting something, probably “big” to happen starting on the 14th because of this conjunction.

          That post is the only time I have publicly stated anything about the future and I only did so in light of Paris, on the next morning because I had no idea how long “Paris” would go on for.

          So, the answer is yes, if I spend the time doing it. But no, you are not going to hear about it.

          You will note that the above link details the following future possibles:

          19, 20 & 21 November 2015

          That sequence starts today, so we’ll see.

          To be clear:

          Public announcements about posisble future dates would be conunter-porductive if they fail and marvellous if they worked.

          It’s a risk which is not worth the candle.

          Also, there is one very important aspect you have probably overlooked here.

          That concerns the nature or type of events that “the audience” would accept as “being dodgy” for want of a better description.

          So for example, we can all agree that say, 9/11 or Paris certainly qualify as events of interest.

          When I ask folk why, they usually cannot qualify “why” very clearly at all, other than “generalisations” about what “tickles their fancy”.

          So, if I were to pronounce forth on say, a child abduction, even in the past, some folk would just respond derisively, with ridicule, because “child abductions and child murders” are not on their radar of the type of events to consider.

          They just happen apparently.

          So, those who maybe concerned with so-called terrorism, would probably respond like that to the suggestion of a crime involving say, children, whereas, those concerned with the latter might discount the former.

          I have had much experience of this.

          It is very difficult to find an audience that

          (a) has the ability, time & effort required to get into this paradigm

          (b) would accept the wide variety of “categories” of all the different events

          So, there you see the landscape.

          An example for you.

          I posted recently about Jesus Christ and 9/11

          Stop laughing ! ( only joking there )

          OK the reason why is very clear.

          Apparently, one of the possible dates for JC’s birth is, get this:

          11 September 0003

          So, do the maths to 9/11 and you’ll see that there are precisely:

          = 666 + 666 + 666 years

          between the two.

          See here:

          Jesus Christ and 9/11

          https://forum.davidicke.com/showthread.php?p=1062601962#post1062601962

          I presented this to a Christian chap I know who is very Bible / Scripture aware and all he could do in response was mumble something about “coincidences”.

          I haven’t heard from him since.

          So, what do you think is going on there ?

          My guess is that when it carries very significant meaning, some folk just cannot, really cannot handle it.

          So, there’s another parameter that needs to be considered.

          Hopefully now you can see that this is not a game.

          The rather flippant, ill-considered expectation that “future possibles” should be published, diminishes when you consider the world we have to operate in.

          Next:

          How would you react if I were to post, details of the roots to say, Soham, Milly Dowler, Sarah Payne, Madeleine McCann et al ?

          When you have considered that properly then ask yourself this.

          Why is that any different to say, a bomb going off far way in some distants land killing multitudes ?

          Answer that and you’ll start to see that there is a huge problem with bringing bad news to folk, especialy when it’s “on their doorstep”, in their “own back yard”, as it were and crucially, when it involves children.

          Let alone trying to overcome the very firm mind-control the the TV exerts.

          I’m amazed that anyone with half a brain still thinks Muslim terrorists did 9/11.

          I regularly meet folk who haven’t even bothered looking into it.

          My all time favourtite response to “how come you don’t know about 9/11 ?” was:

          “I was on holiday at the time”

          And that’s the world we live in.

          Then there are the demographics of the folk to whom these results point a finger of accusation.

          The right wingers don’t want to hear anything to the contrary about “brown skinned terrorism”.

          The liberals don’t want to hear anything about any particular group / tribe.

          And each tribe doesn’t want to hear anything about their own.

          Are you getting the picture here ?

          Good.

          Have you figured about what 59 is yet ?

          It’s not rocket science.

          If you had all paid attention at school you would at least have the nouse to know where to look.

          But since you probably didn’t, then you don’t, and that means you are stuck.

          It’s a shame and it’s your loss.

          But the beauty of being ignorant is – you don’t know it.

          And so it goes …

          MG




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          • well – depending on the dateline.. theres mali. which fits your 19-20-21
            are you affiliated in any way with al-cia-duh by any chance?

            when you say you could spend the time to do the numbers, to work out events in the future, but say, it wouldnt look good if you were incorrect, makes me feel that if there is doubt, about future, there must be equal doubt about the past.. but of course, it is much easier to work backwards ..

            others here have alluded to a tactic of so much information on sites that want to expose things like the impossibility of the official account of 9/11.. that anyone with an open mind is turned of my the reams of mis information, disinformation and obfuscation.

            you may be right about what you say, but i cant get my head arounds it. you say “the real reason its called a new 9/11” – is not why we might think, but you don’t tell us why.. and like someone else said, david icke.. yes – he has an audience, and as much as id like him to be part of a genuine search for truth.. its the lizard thing..

            i understand 9/11 official account to be impossible, and that those in charge of the government of that day, and those that continue the lie, should be held to account.. and we can do that, without lizards or numbers.

            not being very good at maths.. i cant even remember a phone number.. so when i see your posts.. my eyes glaze over. cant you just put down what you are saying in a single, concise, paragraph.. and tell me what the numbers mean. apparently, hidden in there, is the answer..

            just give me the answer, who is doing all this.. and if you know what when where why and how, chuck them in too – thanks




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            • Mark Gobell says

              sum1

              Thank you for at least taking a look at the links and I note your comment about “near future possibles” vis Mali and the Bamako Hoyel event.

              However, I’m not a fortune teller and David Icke has nothing to do with this. End of discussion.

              A single consise paragraph:

              “The patterns found in the relationships between the dates of major world events, wars, assassinations, terrorism, politics, etc., indicate that there is something more at work than the random chaos of disorder or the quantum-mumbo-jumbo whimsical nature of time. The analysis reveals repeating use of numeric patterns between events. These patterns probably indicate esoteric meaning. Because of the novel date arithmentic method, the patterns and relationships between events have hitherto been completely undetected. It is my contention that these patterns reveal a design methodology and which holds significance for and which bears withness to, the authors of these events. Further, I aver that the narratives provided for these events are designed using the methodology and that ergo, they are, in the main, false. I conclude that this entire matrix bears witness to the fingerprints of 33° World Masonry and Zion.”

              Just as Walter Ulbricht’s Berlin Wall, created the physical divide in Germany between “Communism” and “the West / capitalism”, on the very day when Leon Trotsky would have been 777 months, 777 weeks, 777 days old …

              Just as Boaz and Jachin / Joachin and Boaz & Solomons Temple = Twin Towers & WTC7 had to be demolished on the day when GHW Bush would have been DCI at the CIA for precisely 3119 + 3119 + 3119 days.

              9/11 – that awful day with all that illusion burned into the world’s brain and precisely 3119 days after “terrorists” allagedly tried to blow up the World Trade Centre last time in 1993.

              On the day when GHW Bush would have been at the CIA for 3119 + 3119 days.

              3119 is the 444 th ( four hundred and forty fourth ) Prime Number P444

              There are zillions of prime numbers.

              3119 is the 444th Prime Number in the list.

              444 is 12 x 37

              = 3x2x2 x 37

              322 is Skull & Bones = 33° World masonry

              37 is the Seal of Solomon, the Star of David, the current establishment of the Nation of Israel. 73 is the next expression of Solomon’s Seal, numerically.

              4 is the Perfect Masonic number.

              Within every triplet, 111 to 999 the number 37 is implicit.

              9/11 that awful day that “celebrated” the alleged “9/11 birth date of Jesus Christ on 11 September 0003”

              The very same day when JC would have been precisely

              666 + 666 + 666 years old …

              I am not in any way an expert on the alluded to, ancient meanings of numbers. My only sources for attempting to interpret, what I consider to be, their clearly exceptional use, are those that are easily available. I’ve read much about the Masonic tradition over the years and from where that emanates etc. So follow your nose and see where that goes or any other reference to any other culture who revered numbers. See what you come up with.

              My current working hypothesis is that the rosetta stone 9/11 event, appears to provide the clues as to whom is responsible.

              The usual suspects. The power of ages casting it’s shadows. Plus ca change.

              I can only readily do anything back to 1752, when they last changed the calendar.

              And, relatively speaking, I’ve only dipped my toes into much of that history, just some of the major events from then onwards, the dynasties etc, take your pick.

              The New World Order, from whichever route you approach it is nothing more than a long line of power, extending from the depths of time, expressed by those who play their part, the powerful and wealthy. As per …

              President GHW Bush, in the most modern declaration, had been announcing it to the world since the first Gulf Slaughter in 1990 / 1991 – Operation Desert Shield / Storm, lanuched oin the contrived pretext of evicting our erstwhile lackey and “Iran proxy War” protagonist, the Ba’athist thug, Saddam Hussein from his little excursion into April Glaspie’s non-priority Gulf Oil State, Kuwait. You know, the event that so angered “Osama bin Laden”, according to the narrative, that HE declared Jihad on the entire non-Muslim world, which as the world knows, has resulted in the death of probably a million or so Muslims and many thousands of others by now.

              Poppy’s son GW Bush reincarnates Gulf Slaughter II in the War of Terror wake of “alleged Islamic terorrism on 9/11 et al” , all of which has coincidentally conspired to gradually erode civil liberties, the right to a trial by jury, publicly declared evidence, control orders, the odious practice of entrapment co-ercion and secret state subversion, miscarriages of justice, much legislation, more control grid, information sharing, intrusion into our lives, you know, the usual characteristics of suppression…

              So, the chap who is alleged to “hate our freedoms” has encouraged our overlords to take them away from us. On OBL’s behalf, as it were. Legislation is enacted in response. And again in response to the next terrorism event. The insatiable appetite of the secret state. Total Information Awarenes. The general public, is effectively hypnotised, ultimately because it claims to be, too busy to notice. TV is the all pervasive Medium and everybody gets the Massage …

              Whichever route one takes into the NWO and to whom Ron Suskind referred to in his : “Reality Based Community, we are an Empire now … ” – not so allegorical recapitulation of Plato’s Cave, the answer can be found in my links.

              Whichever route one takes into that network, their allegorical tales / fantasies require interpretation. Their narratives are published, for a reason. They are designed like they are, for a reason. Whether they are assassinating Presidents, starting wars, poisoning French villages with LSD, the War on Terror / Al Q narrative, all of it. Lies. So just working with the grammar alone, the words and the pictures they paint and to what they actually refer, that’s an essential worthwile task imo, so you don’t have to worry about the numbers and not understanding them. It’s all war propaganda and lies.

              It’s a great pity imo that numbers are often difficult for folk. I hope that at least the symmetry of the number patterns is obvious. The frequency of occurence is simply astounding.

              What conclusions you draw from all that I have tried to explain are up to you.

              For me, the only conclusion is 33° World Masonry and Zion. It’s as simple as that.

              I hope that answers your question.

              MG




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              • thanks for taking the time to repond.
                “so you don’t have to worry about the numbers and not understanding them. It’s all war propaganda and lies.”

                i perfectly understand it is all propaganda and lies.. without the need for all your maths.,
                im not sure though, how all your work helps us get any closer to a world where we are not at the mercy of the psycopaths that are responsible.

                you say.. “Just as Boaz and Jachin / Joachin and Boaz & Solomons Temple = Twin Towers & WTC7 had to be demolished on the day when GHW Bush would have been DCI at the CIA for precisely 3119 + 3119 + 3119 days.” – if Bush got hit walking across the road by a bus, a month before.. that would throw out all the numbers, how can they plan for things without knowing for sure he would still be alive for the 3119 + 3119 + 3119 days scenario?

                they may be zionist, be theyre not gods..

                i can quite happily accept that those behind 9/11 could get quite a kick out of such a thing as getting all the numbers to add up.. i just cant see it helping to bring anyone to justice, when so many people are still happy enough to scoff at the mere though of 9/11 et al; being anything other than exactly how it is explained as per the official version, despite in your face evidence such as the physics defying building 7, and watching the twin towers being explosivley dustified, while being told they are collapsing.

                thanks for your time.. its been interesting,, might try some of those combinations in the next lotto draw. . good luck.




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                • Mark Gobell says

                  I’m told, although I have no proof of the claim, that the FBI for example, use “numerology” in their investigations, especially for “serial” type crimes …

                  Scenario:

                  If you were personally connected on the side of the victim in some crime and that crime was just one in a series of similar crimes and you discovered that each of those crimes occurred 3119 days apart …

                  What would you do ?

                  Also, if you really cannot see any benefit in any of the information I present, may I ask you what benefit do you see in any information being presented vis 9/11 et al ?

                  In my, not so humble opinion, the relationships between events provide the answers you are looking for.

                  They point to the real perpetrators of the crimes.

                  They add clarity and remove confusion.

                  In short, they provide the answers you claim to seek.

                  MG




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