Hints at a developing western narrative on the failed coup in Turkey?
The fact the Guardian is giving a sympathetic ear to Fethullah Gülen, the man Turkish president Erdogan alleges was behind the failed coup, could be a hint at some of the complex realities and conflicting loyalties here. As indeed can the media’s sudden and renewed discovery of the Erdogan government’s long history of brutality, which is also being freshly aired by the BBC.
The Guardian article even suggests the coup may have been staged by Erdogan to increase his own popularity. Again this is interesting. In general it’s only regimes we’re being invited to disapprove of or demonise that are accused of shady dealings and false flags. Any suggestion that a friendly nation could stage a fake coup would usually be greeted with cries of “conspiracy theory.”
So it looks as if Erdogan is in an ambiguous position with his masters in Washington right now. A development that may not be entirely unconnected with Erdogan’s recent overtures of conciliation toward Russia.
Erdogan is demanding Gülen’s extradition, and the US is requesting evidence of the latter’s guilt before considering its position, whatever that will turn out to mean. And the Incirlik air base is apparently still intermittently being closed for use by the Pentagon, for reasons that remain unclear.
Time will no doubt reveal more. But we can at least detect the broad strokes of an emerging narrative. Erdogan’s brutality is no longer inadmissible in the neoliberal media. And Gülen is being sold to us as a more acceptable potential alternative.
Let’s see how this develops.
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I don’t believe that our political leaders and their representatives at newspapers such as the Guardian believe that ‘democracy prevailed in Turkey’. I also do not believe that they believe that Erdogan orchestrated his own coup (which is, if you ask me, equally brilliant as Putin who orchestrated the Panama papers to smear himself in MSM newspapers such as the Guardian). So why should we?
What I do believe is that Erdogan somehow has the power to blackmail EU leaders by letting them say that democracy prevailed in Turkey. I also believe that after this failed coup, Erdogan has more power to blackmail NATO, since it appears (and is claimed as such by the Turkish government) that NATO was the instigator of this coup, which horribly failed for NATO.
Question is: with what can Erdogan blackmail the EU and NATO? Which probably isn’t a very hard question to answer. Try with millions of refugees that are not allowed to cross Turkey-EU borders, or with a pipeline that must run from Qatar via Syria and Turkey to Europe.
To keep us away from these simple truths, newspapers and politicians have to spin the news from the Middle East more and more, actually to such a level that it becomes incredible for even the most brainwashed readers and followers. A dangerous situation for those who try to keep the truth out of newspapers and politics.
Meanwhile, the redacted 28 pages show that terrorism from 911 did not come from Iraq or Afghanistan, but from ‘our’ ally Saoudi Arabia. Moreover, the Chilcot report shows (to me..) that Blair is a war criminal who performed the worst war crime imaginable for a politician according to the Neurenberg trials: he started a war of agression in Iraq. One could have known. But with these publications, it has become official. Those are two major events. Judge for yourself if you like. With these publications, that is possible.
These are interesting times but also, to be honest, anxious times if you would ask me. Let’s hope that desperate needs do not lead to (more) desperate deeds (of which this failed coup in Turkey appears to be just one example).
I’ll try no to be too anxious either (being too anxious makes you silent and stupid). Hope one doesn’t mind that I try to make this point by showing the example of Kristen Breitweiser (and other 911 widows) who lost her husband in the 911 attacks, and therefore must know what anxiety is, but shows a courageous example of how to persevere in wanting to know the truth, which you, for instance, can read all about here: http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2016/07/59713.html#more-59713
Do we think the 28-pages is the final word on 9/11? I’m not sure “the Saudis did it” makes much more sense than any other version out there. Does it answer any of the key questions? Not really sure it does.
You can be positively certain it does not 🙂
The Saudis only provided the patsies. Most of the work was pure MOSSAD, who wanted a war between Islam and the West, to their advantage, as the real Osama said at the time, when DENYING al-Qaeda involvement. I believe Erdogan pulled this off, as his increasingly insane, totalitarian, reaction since, shows. I think that his innate psychopathy is beginning to run away from him.
Perhaps but don’t forget that 15 of the 19 terrorists were Saudi as was the leader. Also on 9/12, The then Bush league President, helped a delegation of Saudis who were in the country, to fly home when all other aircraft were grounded. Doesn’t that raise your eyebrows?
Wait a minute – do we even know who the terrorists were? Several those originally named turned out to be falsely identified, still very much alive and not in any way connected to al Qaeda. Yet their names remain on the list of alleged perps, and, almost incredibly, no effort was made to correct the mistake and find out the real identities.
I think we are required to exercise the utmost scepticism here.
Absolutely!
Do you have a source for that? It seems that the hijackers were using stolen identities:
http://web.archive.org/web/20011222042847/http://www.portal.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2001/09/23/widen23.xml
All of the hijackers have been correctly identified by now, even though there was some initial confusion in the beginning. Stating that their names remain on the list of alleged perpetrators is false – please link to said list. And it’s also false that their real identities have not been found – they have and they’ve been known for years.
I’d be interested to see where you are getting this information from, Catte.
CIA/Mossad were the architects though.
“… Question is: with what can Erdogan blackmail the EU and NATO? Which probably isn’t a very hard question to answer …”
Indeed it’s not a hard question to answer: the answer is Incirlik air base where 50 US nuclear missiles are currently being stored.
http://warnewsupdates.blogspot.com.au/2016/07/how-secure-are-50-us-nuclear-tactical.html
If I were Erdogan, I’d blackmail NATO by denying it use of the air base and dropping hints about leasing it to … Russia perhaps.
What else could I blackmail NATO with? How about I tell Washington about the Clinton Foundation’s links to Fethullah Gulen?
http://dailycaller.com/2016/07/13/new-ties-emerge-between-clinton-and-mysterious-islamic-cleric/
If the US doesn’t want Donald Trump as US President, I could hold Washington to ransom by threatening to suggest Hillary Clinton doesn’t support “democracy” in Turkey.
The reported ‘coup’ was indeed poorly executed by standards of regime change. Mr Erdogan can bathe in more blood so imagine he is happy. It seems the ‘coup’ narrative is shielding something else, for example the little reported tactical nuclear weapon that exploded over the parliament building, as reported by VT
“…These are 4th, 5th generation nuclear triggers using lithium and deuterium with a minimal amount of Uranium….. 500ft fire ball for 3 seconds max. Above ground detonation meaning air dropped. A 750lb bomb from an F-16 can’t do that. Single burst not multiple burst. – Jeff”
As usual our attention will be diverted from what actually occurred. As to why, does it matter given the loss of life that will ensue?
Be wary of Veterans Today. They’ll have you believing that nuclear bombs are going off weekly.
Definitely a disinfo site, if not an outright spoof.
The farcical situation is that half of Europe is in bed with the USA in NATO when the USA”s grand strategy for Europe is an invasion of Arab economic migrants under cover of ‘refugees’ courtesy of organising mayhem across vast swathes of the Middle East and North Africa.
The USA wants Turkey linked to Europe not Russia and it wants to achieve that by putting a pipeline from Qatar through to Turkey.
If Europe wants that to change, Russia needs to prove its trustworthiness by promising not to invade if US troops are kicked out of Europe in the future. I can’t see the ‘weapons shield’ of Eastern Europe and the Stan Republics being withdrawn in under 30 years because there is no diplomatic leverage to cause it to happen. But kicking out the USA from Western Europe would be a good start……and can only happen if Russia and Europe have friendly relations, which the USA is most keen NOT to foster…..
Quite why Europe has let the USA behave like this is beyond me. We should all be told, in public, what the USA threatened to do to Europe if they refused to go to war in the Middle East with them.
It would show up America for what it is, after all……..
As long as Washington controls Europe, Europe and Russia will never have good relations. The US will have to be kicked out first; only then can relations with Russia improve.
The USA is a pathocracy, a ‘society’ if you can call it that, ruled by evil, aggressive, lying, deranged, psychopaths. Their aggression is genocidal, relentless and open-ended. If they did subjugate the whole planet and one day escaped into the cosmos, they would ravage worlds yet unknown, until they met an even more powerful and malevolent force, if such exists in the omniverse.
“Russia needs to prove its trustworthiness by promising not to invade if US troops are kicked out of Europe”
What a ridiculous statement. Why would Russia want to invade? What would it gain by doing so? It is becoming self-sufficient in food, courtesy of sanctions. It has energy supplies. It has so much land to spare it is offering free land for farmers. Anyway, how would Europe know it had actually invaded, given there are apparently 9000 Russian soldiers with tanks and armor in Ukraine that cannot be detected by satellite or communications intercepts? Maybe Europe already has been invaded by the Russians and doesn’t know it?
Delicious!
The current situation in Turkey is complex and murky making it difficult to call the origins of the failed coup just yet. It is possible it was a CIA organised coup as in Ukraine in 2014 or Erdogan’s attempt to consolidate his own power, or even Mossad might be considered as possible instigators.
There are several things which are clear though. Firstly under Erdogan’s rule Turkey is fast becoming a failed state as Ukraine albeit with a much greater military capability and diversified economy. Secondly Erdogan was snubbed by Obama at the Nuclear Security Summit in Washington back on 31 March as he is clearly seen as an unreliable ally/asset. Thirdly more recently and after this snub he has moved to attempt some form of rapprochement with Russia regarding the shoot down of their SU-24 in Syrian air space.
All of which shows his current situation as leader internationally is both fragile and unstable.
I think it was a failed CIA coup, and to deflect attention from it, the Guardian entertains the possibility of a fake coup organised by Erdogan. The Guardian hate conspiracy theories, so with the suggestion of one, they are desperately trying to avert attention from the US.
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My money is on the Caliph having staged this farce, in order to consolidate his Islamo-fascist rule. The quick sacking of hundreds of judges is pretty strong supportive evidence, I would say. And don’t you just love the habitual filthy mendacity of the Western MSM sewer, describing Erdogan, the friend and business partner of Daash from the beginning of the assault on Syria, as central to the West’s ‘war on IS’.
I think you lost your money. My bet is on the cia as Erdo leaned to Ru Ir Sy and Ir, fired the PM and Intel chief
Admittedly the CIA has been sloppy lately, what with herding IS, blaming Saudis for 9/11 and fixing the French terrors. Erdogan’s shoot down of the Russian Su24, probably CIA ordered, has backed him into a corner. Putin knows this and is very patient, because getting Turkey onside in Syria would ease his burden. So, did the CIA throw an “off-the-shelf” coup at Erdogan which failed, or did he try it on himself to root out opposition? More analysis needed. Let’s see how many heads roll.
If the CIA or MOSSAD was behind it the first priority would be to kill Erdogan, their favourite ‘decapitation’ polivy. No sign of that.
I’m in the middle of reading about gladio right now, and the last few days events seem typical of the political terrorism enacted in the EU to achieve greater US control that’s described in the book. My feelings are that Erdogan arranged this in order to justify greater control measures. If it was against Erdogan I think he would be dead, unless it was merely a warning. It all went too smoothly for him.
Exactly. If this had been a real coup, Erdogan would be gone. If the Turkish army knows one thing, it’s how to carry out a successful coup. No–this was a fake, staged by Erdogan himself.
There is the possibility that the coup leaders, whoever they are, already knew that Erdogan’s government had drawn up a list of military people, judges and magistrates to be purged so they tried to pre-empt those purges and ward them off by staging the coup earlier than they had planned. This possibly accounts for the amateurish way in which the coup was carried out.
Of course Erdogan invokes the name of Fethullah Gulen in searching for scapegoats and the timing of his accusation is suspicious. You usually wait until you have credible evidence of a connection before you start accusing people. But this could just be an example of Erdogan’s street cunning to tie the cleric into the coup.
Considering the ties of Gulen to the Clinton Foundation, I don’t think it is really a stretch to consider his involvement, especially if it is a CIA originated coup. Using extremist clerics is a pretty standard operation for CIA coups in the ME.