Owen Jones: vote for Hillary because when she's POTUS we can ask her nice to be progressive
by Catte
Owen Jones – one time darling of the liberal Left, is now, officially, endorsing Hillary Clinton.
True, they changed the headline shortly after publication. It originally read “The Sanders movement is bigger than Bernie. Now it must work with Hillary” But someone snuck in with the scissors and paste and now the headline reads “The Sanders movement is bigger than Bernie. Now it must defeat Trump”.
The Sanders movement is bigger than Bernie. Now it must work with Hillary | https://t.co/cO0DA1nobo
— The Guardian (@guardian) 26 July 2016
The Guardian’s tweet of the Jones article preserves the original wording though the article feed has been changed
But even if this might make Jones and his supporters feel a tad less queasy, it changes nothing. No matter how many sophisms and evasions are employed to try and make it seem he’s still standing by his principles even while he’s openly flouting all of them, Jones, who last year was defending Corbyn, is now endorsing Hillary “I will obliterate Iran” Clinton,
But you see Owen wants us to understand that Clinton isn’t Trump. And being not-Trump is always better than being Trump. So, even though Clinton also isn’t progressive, or honest, or sane, and even though she has no interest in helping the disadvantaged or rebuilding social infrastructure, and even though she conducted state business on a private email server so no one would be able to tell what nefarious and illegal, and potentially insanely dangerous things she was doing, and even though she presided over the Honduras debacle, and even though she authorised and gloated over the illegal murder of a foreign head of state, and even though she has threatened to “obliterate” Iran and take the confrontations with Russia and China to new heights that really might result in WW3, we absolutely have to get behind her because – hello – she isn’t Trump. And anyhow if we get her to be POTUS and make sure there are lots of lovely Democrats in Congress, maybe we can ask them to please do some of the socialist things Bernie talked about. They will probably say yes, of course And anyhow, Owen’s not sure if he mentioned this but Hillary isn’t Trump…
Yes, this is what passes for political analysis when the neolibs are slipping you wads of cash to endorse the unendorsable, the discredited and the morally broken.
The likes of Jones are paid to surrender their dignity and ethics and pretend this macabre farce is something called “democracy”, and to sell the decaying relics offered up for candidacy as if they were real choices. That doesn’t mean we have to pretend to believe them. If I were a US citizen I’d take the only truly free choice left and decline to play this game of fake reality any longer. And if we all did that, the game would be over, wouldn’t it.
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I don’t wish to appear reverse ageist or anything, and I have no idea how old he really is, but every time I see his photo, he always seems like someone not quite old enough for the sixth form and I’m afraid this tends to make me judge his outpourings in those terms.
In his daily screed today, Owen advocates more ‘door-knocking’ activism to drum up support for Labour – illustrated by his idea of where he thinks Labour supporters live:
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Charming Victorian villas in South London.
God forbid that awful people from places like this would join the Labour Party:
http://cdn.images.express.co.uk/img/dynamic/1/590x/secondary/146194.jpg
Broadwater Farm Housing Estate, Tottenham, North London.
Well fair do’s – the lifts wouldn’t be working, and it’s a lorra lorra stairs to climb!
Seriously though – I don’t think it’s London Labour has to worry about really. Where is their support in the rest of the country?
Where I live, there has been no serious Labour challenge at Parliamentary level for…well, ever really.
They’ve been known to get a few council seats on council estates (when there were such things), but there are very few (if any) of those these days. In 2015, the LibDem vote collapsed, for obvious reasons, but the votes didn’t go to Labour. Some went to the Greens, some to the NHS candidates, and sadly, a lot went to the Tories.
I am a 57-year-old U.S. citizen. To disabuse those Europeans who both live in smaller countries and have the blessing of a parliamentary system, the U.S. system never has been democratic. It is a show–a very expensive one–that the capitalist class puts on every two years in order to control the citizenry and to provide a justification for U.S. imperialism. The citizens are convinced that they don’t have to do a thing in order to make the “democracy” work, and that if they don’t like the results that either they are to blame or it is useless to oppose the system. And outside of Rome, people are told that the Roman way is best because it is legitimized by the vote of the citizens. Now, the capitalist class that controls Rome is no longer national, but transnational, being based on the transnational corporations and financial institutions and enjoying the full… Read more »
I agree totally,Trump is the answer for American recovery.
But the zionists want no part of America First and Israel on its own.
And that is why the MSM and web sites everywhere are in full throat propaganda mode for the Hell Bitch.
I have never seen anything like this before,and the American people can see the fix is in,but over our dead bodies,if necessary.I’m pissed to shite at this massive mis and disinformation bliztkrieg.
It will backfire,just like all their attempts to marginalize him during the primaries.
Reblogged this on TheFlippinTruth.
He’s happy to support Clinton’s murderous Jewish racist agenda. All perceived threats to Israel must be destroyed. Iraq, Libya, Syria and (next up) Iran.
This is where leftist centrists think is a good place to stand in this terrifying age during which we must endure the brain-dead analysis of commentators who, in truth, are most easily understood as simple submissives to the establishment will … a will that everyone is afraid to recognise as being dominated by Jewish money and its globalist anti-commutarian agenda….submissives to the atomisation of all systems that might afford self-sufficiency to societies, that makes everybody absolutely dependent on and therefore subservient to international finance and it’s program of enslavement. Are ‘gays’ a new officer class in this operation?
The phrase “a Jewish racists agenda” should qualify for some award for unintended and self-defeating irony.
If you can tell me how it clarifies, exlains or expands your point then I’ll recognise you have a valid reason for adding it that isn’t racist or intentionally self-sabotaging.
I agree. In despair.
I agree we could call it the bigot award
IF YOU can tell me how the remark is not arguably quite true based on a fair and honest review of facts, then I’ll recognise your valid objection to it.
But, as it seems to me, the simple fact that Clinton’s policies aren’t solely confined* to the outrages which the writer describes as a “murderous Jewish racist agenda,” does not make that observation any the less true— does it!?
What, other than that, are you objecting to?
You aren’t the OP, and we’re still waiting to hear from him.
My “objection” as you term it is perfectly clear, but I’ll repeat it once more. I want to know what purpose of clarification, elucidation or explanation is served by the inclusion of the word “Jewish”.
Is the “racist agenda” aimed exclusively at non-Jews? Is it practiced only by Jews?
If neither of these things are true, and absent any other clarification, we will have to conclude the word “Jewish” conveys no useful additional information and is there merely as an expression of inaccurate personal prejudice or as an act of deliberate self-sabotage by the OP.
You have not answered that question, you’ve merely posed others that are irrelevant.
Believe it or not the point of your objection–now clearer to me–wasn’t at all clear when I posted my comment. So thank you for taking the trouble to explain it in a way that I can more clearly understand. True–I’m not the OP and can’t and don’t pretend to answer for him. As a reader, I found his comment readily understandable in a straightforward way that doesn’t offend any respectable and honest liberal-leftist democratic principles. Nor did I have to engage in any special intellectual gymnastics to reach that understanding. I can appreciate that in this matter it’s the OP’s original words and meanings which count in reply to your post–so perhaps there’s no point in my attempting to offer my view of these Re your ” …”I want to know what purpose of clarification, elucidation or explanation is served by the inclusion of the word ‘Jewish’. “Is the ‘racist… Read more »
You’re, of course welcome to make any comment you choose, but my question was directed at the OP. His disinclination to reply does really give me all the information I need, and in future we’ll regard his comments as simply racist and/or attempts to discredit by association, until we hear any information that suggests we should do otherwise.
Catte– I’ll offer what is only my own interpretation/justification of what I think is a fair reading of the comment while admitting that this isn’t necessarily what its author had in mind–though I think it is: Recap on the OP & your comment : “physicsandmathsrevision July 26, 2016 “He’s happy (i.e. Owen Jones) to support Clinton’s murderous Jewish racist agenda. All perceived threats to Israel must be destroyed. Iraq, Libya, Syria and (next up) Iran. “This is where leftist centrists think is a good place to stand in this terrifying age during which we must endure the brain-dead analysis of commentators who, in truth, are most easily understood as simple submissives to the establishment will … a will that everyone is afraid to recognise as being dominated by Jewish money and its globalist anti-commutarian agenda….submissives to the atomisation of all systems that might afford self-sufficiency to societies, that makes everybody… Read more »
It is impossible, in today’s Guardian, to even initiate a sane discussion, devoid of abuse or threat, that mentions wealthy individual Jewish donors to the PLP (far to the right of the members) and considers whether these donations buy undue influence in policy. Why is that? Take the case of Mr Michael Foster, who bought the court case to appeal against the NEC decision to allow Corbyn to stand for re-election without needing 20% of PLP nominations. An article in the guardian discussed this result: http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/jul/28/jeremy-corbyn-fights-off-court-challenge-labour-leadership-ballot My own comment in a thread about Mr Foster’s motives, perhaps the most robust in this small thread was removed (NOT deleted) – along with all the other contributions. If we’re not allowed to comment on the man’s possible motives, or point to a wealthy donor having perhaps abused his position in these matters, where on earth can we discuss this? Hopefully, here! My… Read more »
Yes,evil resides in all humans,but the rest of humanity don’t own the bully pulpit that encourages human destruction worldwide that Zion does,and no not all Jews are Zionists,but all zionists are Jews,or honorary ones like the HB,Biden,Obomba and almost our whole political class of traitors.
This refusal to recognize reality is getting tedious,and impinges on the veracity of this site.
I also point out that this site exists because the zionists destroyed the Graun.
What a fuss about nothing! The phrase ‘jewish racist agenda’ means a jewish agenda (true, that’s where the money is), which is racist (also true). Good syntax. End of story.
Again, you are not the OP from whom we are still waiting to hear. But ok…
The money for what? Where is it? Are all the world’s Jews contributing to this fund? And are non-Jews banned from contributing? If not, in what sense is it “Jewish”?
It is financed by rich, Rightwing Jews, who identify strongly with Israel, exculpate its crimes, and work to destroy any support in the West for the Palestinians. You are surely not going to deny that, are you? Are you going to deny the money power in Western politics of rich Jews (now threatening to de-fund Labour unless Corbyn goes)who are working to ban or criminalise the BDS movement and ALL criticism of Israel as ‘antisemitism’.
Oh please. You actually believe the wealthy see this in terms of race? They’re just hoping you see it that way and waste your time and discredit yourself with this junk. Israel isn’t there for “the Jews”, it’s there to give the elites a foothold in the ME and a convenient platform for both creating chaos and invoking racism as a means of stifling debate. They want people such as yourself to make the issue of Israel an issue of Jewishness, because by doing so you allow them to call you antisemitic and effectively silence you. Of course there are wealthy Jews trying to get rid of Corbyn, just as there are wealthy non-Jews trying to get rid of Corbyn. But in singling them out you play exactly the game you are intended to play, and you make it more difficult for those who criticise the genocidal polices of Israel… Read more »
Well, that is a tiny master-class in casusistry. To begin, the anti-BDS forces will slander the movement as ‘antisemitic’ as long as it dares exist, and many will do so not just to smear, intimidate and silence, but because they truly believe any attitude but total groveling, as when Bibi surveys the Congress, is ‘antisemitic’. As for the rest, it is simply a recipe for censorship, for NOT daring to notice the concerted, organised and determined work of one TINY elite to dominate the Western world, and to so control societies that Free Expression such as BDS and criticism of Israel is banned and criminalised. The rich parasite caste are, indeed, the architects of our global Hell, but from among them the most determined, controlling and demanding are Jewish elites, and to deny that is mendacious and to ignore it simply cowardice, or collaboration. When these controlling elites act as… Read more »
A foothold in the ME?
God help US from writers like this,who say nonsense to support their nonsensical writings.
To be called an antisemite today is a badge of human honor.
I strongly disagree that Israel is a foothold of the West in the ME.
In fact that statement reveals you a victim or dupe of propaganda from defenders of shite,the hasbarists.
It is actually the splinter which started this whole infection of terror,which won’t end till its puss filled existence is lanced by Palestinian freedom.
That’s basically my reading of it, too.
That is not an answer to my original question. Please explain why the word “Jewish” is required or what it elucidates, clarifies or explains.
When one peruses the shit posing as the Guardian, and its insane anti-Corbyn hate screeds, one soon notices that the outside forces threatening to cease financing Labour if Corbyn remains, and endeavouring to remove Corbyn from the contest through ‘law-fare’, are virtually all Jews. When one looks up Mr. Foster the litigant, one soon discovers an article appearing under his name in the Daily Mail, that, in my opinion, is simply psychotic in the rage of furious hatred directed at Corbyn, basically for speaking up for the Palestinians. Well at least your Masters are no longer bothering to hide in the shadows.
Owen’s synapses must be in knots, the poor lad
Sane progressive expects the Democrat Party to split with 10,000s of resignations if there isnt a miracle this week- if the opposition to both HRC and T doesnt divide and moves to Gill Stein and especially if Sanders would only take his revolution forward and accept Gills offer to step aside and give up the anyone but T nonsense, a major advance could be made in Nov if and only if voting fraud is addressed in coming weeks. HRC did not win the nomination.Sanders won convincingly.He failed to challenge both the massive flipping and the election fraud so sheepdog may be the reputation he finally goes away with.There are numerous citizens lawsuits but Gasse J threw out Wisconsin suit even despite the massive delays and queues as not effecting the result, so this doesnt look hopeful without a legal breakthrough and massive protest to bring the fraud to wider attention.
Sanders was clearly the sheep-dog, and I won’t be surprised if an e-mail showing that reality appears. He is, in fact, with his total and immediate roll-over, even as the corruption of the process was categorically exposed by the e-mails, making no pretense otherwise, spitting in the face of the latest generation of suckers who thought that the elite plutocracy of the USA could be ‘reformed’ from within. He was the geriatric Obama, dispensing more Hopium for the dopes. And when Clinton feigns adoption of Sanders policy, like not signing the TPP, she is LYING.
Sanders’ own campaign called him the “youth whisperer”, but sheepdog is accurate. I have been calling him a sheepdog since 2014 and predicting, correctly, that he would both lose the nomination and endorse Hillary. This was inevitable since he SAID he would endorse her from the start of his so-called campaign. Perhaps he did so hoping that the DNC would play fair, but that goes to show you he’s no socialist. A real socialist would have been able to size up the opposition, not made any gentleman’s agreements with them and waged a real campaign.
So far as I’m aware, there must be a mechanism for an Independent to put their name on the ballot. If the majority of people in the USA are really thinking that voting for either Hillary or the Donald is worse than having unprotected sex with an HIV+ hooker, then the Independent would barely need any publicity. They’d just need to be on the ballot. Course, the Establishment might get cute and put a far-right nutcase up as ‘another Independent’ so as they would have someone who’d do as they were told no matter what. But until the US public say ‘da nada! Pasta! Finito! To hell with the Democrats and the GOP!’, you’ll still get the choice of ‘let’s invade Iran’ or ‘let’s nuke Russia’. You’ll get the choice of giving Israel a blowjob or agreeing to be tied up and have kinky sex with Israel. You’ll get the… Read more »
There are a number of other candidates beyond the Catwoman and The Penguin.
You can find a list of those still in the race, alongside those who have already withdrawn, here:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_presidential_election,_2016
I don’t know the exact mechanism, but Jill Stein, the Green Party candidate, offered him her slot (or a higher slot) on the ballot paper, I believe. Obviously, he didn’t take her up on it. I think he didn’t want to “do a Ralph Nader”. Ralph Nader (still going strong) regretted that Bernie had attempted to stand as a Democrat. (You can find all this on Youtube … much more informative than the Grauniad… 🙂 )
Holy Schmoley, Batman!
The Boy Wonder’s credentials as a card-carrying New World Order shill haven’t really been in question since January this year – when he penned this fact-free Russophobic screed:
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/jan/26/vladimir-putin-russia-oligarch-british-left-speak-out
Perhaps the most laughable thing in it is that he claims to be speaking for “the British Left” 😀
He thinks “la Gauche c’est moi”.
Owen Jones has lost all credibility with his quest for publicity at any price. He’d sell his granny for whatever he could get if it served his interests. He’s a hypocrite and a propagandist opportunist. He doesn’t give a fig about the Syrians, the Palestinians, the Yemeni or anyone else but himself. At best he is a worthless egocentric loser who wants to be heard, whatever drivel he is spouting and is a traitor to the socialist/centrist movement, his only loyalty is to himself. Nothing he writes or says can be taken seriously anymore.
There is no substitute for hard-earned experience. And yes, Owen has not been around long enough to speak from it or base his actions on it.
It’s like a simple equation … 1 + 1 = 2 😅
The game would not be over. And we are not U. S. citizens. Despite all “-xits” of all times we live in Europe. Hopefully that is the challenge.
Oh dear. Owen should have waited till he’d started shaving, and wearing long trousers, before playing pop politics.