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Slouching toward war with Russia

from the Nation.com

Turning and turning in the widening gyre
The falcon cannot hear the falconer;
Things fall apart; the centre cannot hold;
Mere anarchy is loosed upon the world,
The blood-dimmed tide is loosed, and everywhere
The ceremony of innocence is drowned;
The best lack all conviction, while the worst
Are full of passionate intensity.

The darkness drops again but now I know
That twenty centuries of stony sleep
Were vexed to nightmare by a rocking cradle,
And what rough beast, its hour come round at last,
Slouches towards Bethlehem to be born? W B Yeats, The Second Coming

Nation Contributing Editor Stephen F. Cohen and John Batchelor continue their weekly discussions of the new US-Russian Cold War. (Previous instalments are at the Nation.com)

The focus is on the Obama administration’s termination of months-long negotiations with Moscow for a joint US-Russian campaign against jihad terrorist forces in Syria. The discussion ranges from Syria to other fronts in the new Cold War, with Cohen making the following points:

§ Cooperation in Syria would have been the first major episode of détente in the new Cold War, indeed the first US-Russian military alliance since World War II, whose spirit might have spread to the dangerous conflicts in Ukraine and on Russia’s border with Eastern Europe, where NATO continues to build up its forces. The long-negotiated Syrian agreement was sabotaged not by Russia, as is alleged in Washington and by the mainstream media, but by American enemies of détente, first and foremost in the Department of Defense. DOD’s opposition was so intense that one of its spokesmen told the press it might disobey a presidential order to share intelligence with Moscow, as called for by the agreement, in flagrant violation of the US constitution. (A New York Times editorial not only failed to protest this threat but seemed to endorse it. Other major media seemed not even to notice the possibility of such a constitutional crisis, another indication of how badly the new Cold War, and the demonization of Russian President Putin, has degraded the US political-media establishment.)

§ The consequences of failed diplomacy in Syria are already evident. American politicians and media are calling for military action against Russian-Syrian forces, in particular, imposition of a “no-fly zone,” which would almost certainly lead to war with Russia. Others call for more economic sanctions against Russia, perhaps to ward off growing West European attitudes favoring an end to existing sanctions. In any event, developments in Syria have now deepened the new Cold War in words and deeds, and this is the case in Moscow as well. Putin, who has long pursued negotiations with the West over the objections of his own high-level hardliners, now seems resolved to destroy the jihadist forces encamped in Aleppo without the American partner he had hoped for. Meanwhile, talk of war also fills Russian media, and the Putin government has just began a highly unusual nation-wide “civil defense” exercise to prepare the country for that eventuality.

§ In short, the collapse of diplomacy in Syria has fully remilitarized US-Russian relations and brought the countries closer to war than at any time since the Cuban Missile Crisis. Unlike during the preceding Cold War, none of this is being discussed critically in establishment American media. The Times and The Washington Post, for example, publish articles and editorials, one after the other, declaring Putin to be an “outlaw” and “rogue” leader unfit to be an American partner on any front. In the mainstream, no one proposes § or is permitted to propose—any rethinking of US policies that may have contributed to this dire situation. No one asks, for example, if the Kremlin might be right in insisting that the overthrow of the Assad government, the primary US goal, would only strengthen terrorist forces in Syria, whose defeat is Moscow’s primary objective. In this connection, Moscow charges that détente in Syria failed in large part because Washington and its allies continue to arm and coddle, directly or indirectly, Syrian terrorists and their “moderate” anti-Assad abettors. This factor, for which there is considerable evidence, also is not explored or discussed in the US media, even in a presidential election year. Instead, CBS News’s 60 Minutes, which, like the Times, was once a gold standard of professional American journalism, recently broadcast a nuclear warmongering segment giddily marveling that the United States would soon have more “usable” nuclear weapons to deploy against Russia.

§ Cohen and Batchelor end by wondering, yet again, where was the publicly silent President Obama while his proposed détente was being killed by members of his own administration? Russians and West Europeans are also asking this question.


25 Comments

  1. I think most of us “Westerners ” Especially Europeans understand at this point the reality of America and her allies have become a self destructive empire, the gargantuan military infrastructure developed since 9/11 needs justification to exist, if the only tool you have is a hammer, every problem looks like a nail.

    Mr Putin has always commanded respect from me in his opinions and public statements , I am always amazed at the level of respect given to us even though NATO and the US have broken every promise made to Russia since the end of the Second World War.

    And we now have extremely fast and easy access to information, anyone with the motivation for truth can discover the obscure history of most modern major wars, and find that pushes for war normally preclude world changing financial collapses and threats, usually starts with an unlikely attack on us or our allies , which decades later nearly always turn out to be contrived and warnings are always intentionally overlooked, Pearl harbour , gulf of Tonkin , 9/11.

    What of the American industrialists documented to not have simply supported the rise of the third Reich , not just profited greatly from slave labour under the Nazis , but also accused by General Smedly Butler of trying to install a facist dictatorship in the US.

    You would assume they would answer for their actions in the annual’s of history , and hopefully in absence they will.

    Are we going to blindly sleep walk into hell on Earth again?

    Our leader and the multinational corporations are leading us to slaughter , and we are bleating all the way.

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  2. Kathleen Lowrey says

    Meanwhile, the U.S. election is debated on the important issue of trashy sex talk: pro or con? That we are being funneled toward an outcome where it is your patriotic duty as an opponent of trashy sex talk to vote for somebody who has been, for years and years and years, advocating every grisly military intervention and war crime possible is not ever discussed including on putatively serious media outlets. This at a time when the possibility of real nuclear war actually looms. Nukes are something else we never talk about anymore: remember when The Day After was a major media event across the political spectrum?

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  3. Jeff says

    A small part from Dumitru Duduman’s Testimony. A Warning from GOD…
    see…. http://www.ubm1.org/?page=dumi

    He said, “I brought you to this country. Dumitru, I want to wake up a lot of people. I love this country. I love the people. I want to save them. America will burn.”

    I said, “How can I save them? I can’t even speak their language? Who knows me here? How will they call me?”

    He said, “Don’t worry. I will be ahead of you. I will make great healings among the American people. You will go to television stations, radio stations and churches. Tell them everything I tell you. Don’t hide anything. If you try to hide anything I will punish you. America will burn.”

    “How will America burn? It is so powerful.”

    He said, “The Russian spies have discovered where the most powerful nuclear missiles are in America. It will start with the world calling for ‘peace, peace. Then there will be an internal revolution in America, started by the Communists. The government will be busy with internal problems. Then, from the oceans, Russia, Cuba, Nicaragua, Central America, Mexico, and two other countries (which I cannot remember) will attack! The Russians will bombard the nuclear missile silos in America. America will burn.”

    I said, “What will you do with the church?”

    He said, “The church has left me.”

    I said, “How? Don’t you have people here?”

    He said, “People in America honor people. The honor that should be given to God, they give to other people. Americans think highly of themselves. They say, ‘I serve God,’ but they don’t. In the church there is divorce, adultery, fornication, sodomy, abortion and all kinds of sin. Jesus Christ doesn’t live in sin. He lives in holiness. I brought you here so you could cry out loud. Don’t be afraid. I am with you. Tell them to stop sinning. God never stops forgiving. Tell them to repent. He will forgive them. Tell them to start preparing themselves so I can save them in the day of trouble.”

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  4. John says

    Whatever his original intentions domestically, Obama has failed as a US President to make life any better for most US citizens. His Obamacare project has been largely shredded. His attempts at gun control have been an absolute failure. The US infrastructure – roads, rails and rivers – is an unmitigated disaster at the end of his term.
    The only scope left him by a recalcitrant Congress and US Supreme Court has been in the field of foreign affairs.
    History will judge him as a weak President – he failed to stand up to all the special interests in Washington DC.
    That is why his foreign policy legacy will long be remembered – more for his failures than his few successes.
    Are all future US Presidents condemned to the same fate as him?
    I think so as the “system” has been structured to ensure that all US Presidencies are failures.
    Putin – by contrast – is the undoubted and largely unchallenged leader of his country.
    That is probably what Obama and his successors must find so especially galling.

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  5. BigB says

    Talking of Obama – does anyone know where he is? I don’t mean his physical location – I mean wheres his head at? Reading around today, it seems that the in-fighting factions of the Pentagon are fighting the in-fighting factions of the Whitehouse – to fill the power vaccuum he’s left. He seems to have gone AWOL. I thought that Plan B was the balkanisation of Syria – not the balkanisation of American politics!

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  6. Jim Porter says

    When it’s nuclear, there is no such thing as a winnable war – there are three sides, the side that gets killed immediately, the side that dies in agony within the month and the side that stays in the bunkers for 5000 years. Not sure which of these is the winner

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    • Mick McNulty says

      True. The elite don’t realize that dying last isn’t the same as survival. I just hope when the bombs stop falling the Russians, Chinese and Iranians send army engineers over to the US to breach those tunnels. They’ll have time, several years if necessary, and once breached they should divert large bodies of water into them to drown the occupants like rats.

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    • When it’s clear there is no such thing as a winnable war – the setting of nations and peoples and individual minds against each other or themselves in order to break them up, bring them to ruin and leave the ‘banker’ in control will no longer be possible. But the conditioned mind that automatically gives itself to conflict is a sort of blind golem that cleverer people can set up and operate – and they do. But if conflict is the root identity – then peace will never come of it – and perpetual war as the mind of the isolated ‘victor’ may reveal hell indeed when undone of its narrative self-specialness by which to outsource its own denials onto others.
      The management of conflict – as the management of sickness – has no intention of true resolution and operates the belief that such resolution is impossible excepting ultimate and total victory. game over.

      IF – imaginatively here – IF the purpose is to shepherd the mind of golem like automatons to the condition in which to awaken to the true nature of split consciousness of war and deceit as what has been running their world and their mind – then a harvest of re-awakening would be reclaimed from the aftermath of such Ancient shock as has stamped us in the imprint of terror and the attempt to escape or hide or overcome it as a ‘split off mind’ that fears its Source and does anything BUT look within. Fear of the true is the realm of defending a lie, is it not? – perhaps because defending the lie is the compulsion of war and the attempt to win it. Such ideas as this are not new – but any spiritual impulse is subverted, denied or made ineffective by the mind of war – or psyoperating defences against Disclosure. Unless the child of such impulse recognizes and refuses such bait and stands in integrity of its own purpose. In this, the devices of the attempt to corrupt reveal their corresponding hooks or targets in the assumed beliefs of the targetted – and so falsity reveals itself and can no longer pass off as true currency.

      if you still believe in the narrative of distinct independent nations fighting for supremacy or even survival – then enjoy the show. But within the bathwater is the baby and a true appreciation that can be wholly embraced rather than a conflicted attempt to get something that never can arrive. Such as the standing in integrity rather than warring in hate. Either can say NO! in one way or another – but one holds an integrity that is for all and the other attacks the integrity of the other at cost of its own. Believing one is special and above others can deny integrity and assert its own denials in place of true will – and redefine integrity in terms of power, identity, or any abilities cultivated to align with and serve such agenda. But such is the lack of true self acceptance and appreciation, that such conflicted people are easily fed in their vanity or ambition and thus captured as assets to work when they are deemed either a potential threat or a temporary ‘ally’.

      Thus the feeding and nurturing of fear, guilt inducing dilemmas and desire, and war as the means to prevail against such evils as are screened into an already miseducated mind daily through pervasive conditionings calculated in their effects.

      The idea of aliens experimenting on or parasitically manipulating and exploiting Earth, has a symbolic reflection and may be a lawful invitation in vibrational correspondence with our own intent and behaviour to life on Earth (and beneath the official narrative, upon our own kind). The idea of ET guiding or serving as midwife to waking from such negative loop into a ‘rebirth’ or re-emergence from a war-minded exclusion zone is of a different vibrational frequency – but what you give out is what you get back and as you sow or cultivate within yourself – so are you reaping – whether that recognition in-sights or is denied by assigning guilt and hate to the OTHER.

      Thinking can only see what it already believes – so watching the thinking and observing its effect in one’s consciousness is an honesty that will sweep out the false – if any willingness of true desire is able to still move you.

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    • Though the firebombing of Hiroshima immediately preceding the dropping of the ‘gadget’ as it was called by the secret and fragmented team who brought it through, opens some doubt as to whether in fact it was a huge psyop – and photos do not show what would be expected from one huge central blast – such as a huge crater – I felt to say that a recent study on survivors (some in their in their 90’s )generally had a few months difference in life expectancy to a control group from elsewhere.
      I also note that the hugely negative impact assigned to Chernobyl is not borne out by the mammalian or other wildlife. Figures vary wildly in reporting. I might add other hugely negative assignment that have a negative voodoo effect just as if they were in fact deadly. Just the ‘diagnosis’ can and does kill. One cannot and should not abandon feared beliefs just on hearsay – for they are like icebergs with their foundations hidden from surface sight, but from inner recognition and acceptance of a clearer perspective.
      Questioning everything can be like putting brackets around it – so as the allow expansion and revision or perspective – and switch the core identity from a narrative continuity of ‘identity investment’ to an honesty of being. For the war to control asserted narrative (and complex narrative ‘instruments’) is all about mind-capture and control.
      if you are engaged in using your mind as an external control over a denied sense the feeling of being – then you already know how the mind-lie operates – but don’t want disclosure because you believe it protects you and gives you power. If you found the link between your thoughts and an actual experience of powerlessness, meaninglessness and futility of seeking outside for what you have in effect traded in and exchanged for a false promise – would you be curious – or assign it to the belief that such thoughts witness to the truth of who you are?
      What if all seeming power had to operate through the willingness to disinvest of it in order to then be ‘controlled’ by a trojan intent – that is an intent that has a back door through which a hate operates unseen – such as self-righteous attack.
      Why look to future through the past when the past belongs behind you. Who can create or open and attract fresh perspective with fear-framing every thought? Set your present free to unfold by not setting it in terms of a past made in anger. No one can live another’s life – but we can neglect our own and so NOT be there for each other. I don’t say take BACK control so much as uncover the true balance or alignment that was lost to the believed NEED to call in an EXTERNAL ‘saviour’ – for if you do not recognize truth at heart – and you override your own deepest sense of honesty – then you ARE giving permission for what then transpires – no matter how blame is then employed, outsourced or projected as if to be rid of it. Trojan thinking.

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      • Jim Porter says

        Just a few details – no craters as they (Little boy and Fat Man) were set off half a klik above ground level, and their explosive strength was in the 15-20 kiloton range and the normal size these days are measured in megatons. The radioactive dust that is thrown up by these would get blown around the planet – planet Earth lives, humans die

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  7. From an April 2003 Haaretz article:

    The war in Iraq was conceived by 25 neoconservative intellectuals, most of them Jewish, who are pushing President Bush to change the course of history. Two of them, journalists William Kristol and Charles Krauthammer, say it’s possible.

    This is a war of an elite. [Tom] Friedman laughs: I could give you the names of 25 people (all of whom are at this moment within a five-block radius of this office) who, if you had exiled them to a desert island a year and a half ago, the Iraq war would not have happened.

    http://www.haaretz.com/news/features/white-man-s-burden-1.14110

    All one has to do is to change Iraq with Libya, then Syria and this news story stays current. What Tom Friedman finds funny about that war–Iraq–that makes him laugh is beyond me.
    Maybe if Mr. Friedman were to experience first-hand the sheer terror of fleeing from artillery shells falling down around him or smart bombs raining down from the sky, with no safe place left to run, and roving, armed psychopathic gangs, who shoot anything that moves, maybe if Tommie were to ‘enjoy’ that not as a well-paid spectator but as an unwilling participant, maybe then he wouldn’t think it so funny?

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    • Thanks for the link Greg.

      Thomas Friedman is a time-serving bumboy to the 25 “intellectuals” changing the course of history. Old news.

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  8. paulcarline says

    What I miss is any mention of Israel, its part in the Syrian conflict (it is known to be supporting the mercenaries and could be arming them), and how it is likely to react in the event of a military clash between the US (and its allies?) and the Syrian and Russian forces.
    It’s rumoured that Israel was/is hoping to ‘acquire’ a slice of a dismembered Syria and certainly has no interest in seeing its strongest supporter suffer a humiliating defeat at the hands of the Russian forces. Would Israel use its nuclear weapons (possibly mini-nukes)?
    Any thoughts?

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    • John says

      Genie Energy Ltd. is an American energy company headquartered in Newark, New Jersey. It is a holding company comprising Genie Retail Energy, a retail energy provider in the United States, and Genie Oil and Gas, which develops conventional oil and oil shale projects in the United States, Mongolia, Israel and in the occupied Golan Heights…..Genie Energy’s Strategic advisory board is composed of: Dick Cheney (former vice president of the United States), Jacob Rothschild, 4th Baron Rothschild, Rupert Murdoch (media mogul and chairman of News Corp), James Woolsey (former CIA director), Larry Summers (former head of the US Treasury), and Bill Richardson, an ex-ambassador to the United Nations and energy secretary.[2]
      Source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genie_Energy.
      Genie – and others – need Israel military control over the Golan Heights and control through terrorists through the remainder of Western Syria to pipeline oil and gas to Turkey, from where it can be pipelined into Europe, thus cutting out Russia from the European energy market.

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    • BigB says

      Isreal covets the Golan Heights – which it has illegally occupied since 1967. Syria wants them back, not least because they are the rightful occupiers – but because most of the water supply for drought stricken Damascus comes from there. The complication – theres oil in them thar’ hills. Check out the board of the parent company prospecting there – Cheney, Murdoch, Jacob Rothschild. Is there no end to the greed of the war-profiteers?
      http://www.globalresearch.ca/drilling-for-oil-in-the-israeli-occupied-region-of-syrias-golan-heights-a-violation-of-international-law/5532455
      As for the nuclear option – I sincerely hope not – but you have to at least allow for the current Netanyahu regime playing the old Golda Meir card of the ‘Samson Option’ if things got ugly. To that end it would do well to note that the IDF has a shiny (newish) fleet of Dolphin class submarines supplied by Germany (at their own taxpayers expense – guilty consience perhaps?) So it now has the capability to deliver tactical nuclear weapons by land, sea and air – not that it will admit it. http://www.palestinechronicle.com/israel-the-bomb-and-western-double-think/

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    • I think they would consider using them… but ONLY if the Zionists judge that they would not have retribution. If it goes to Nukes….it will be very fast and quite comprehensive as to what countries get Russian nuke hits. Think of it like this… you’ve must have seen some Clint Eastwood western movies, and how he faced 3 or 4 gunslingers and blew them away in a few seconds. That will be the outcome of a Nuke war.

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  9. The US intervention when/if it comes will be justified on the grounds of ‘humanitarian intervention’. Modern imperialism’s version of ”The White Man’s Burden.”Something must be done! Of course, this ‘justification’ for will ignore such salient and inconvenient facts as the Saudi’s systematic bombing of Yemen. The US and its allies are nothing if not inconsistent. Additionally, the systematic bombing of civilians is not new and was known as ‘area bombing’ when the British Royal Air Force, Bomber Command and the USAAF carried this policy during the Second World War. Here’s what they said and did.

    Sir Arthur (Bomber) Harris. Commander in Chief RAF Bomber Command 1942-1945 Invented ‘Area bombing’ of German cities directed against civilian population. Hamburg, 42,000, deaths and Dresden, 22000 deaths, in particular were on the receiving end of fire bombing.
    • Dresden? Is there such a place any longer? I want to point out that, besides Essen, we never actually considered any industrial sites as targets. The destruction of industrial sites was something of a bonus for us. Our real targets were always the inner cities.

    Curtis Le May (1906-1990) US Airforce Commander 1942-45. Chief of the 8th Air Force in UK was responsible for daylight bombing of Germany. Later moved to Pacific theatre preoccupied with fire-bombing Japanese cities with one particular raid on Tokyo resulting 100,000 civilian deaths.
    • There are no innocent civilians, so it doesn’t bother me so much to be killing innocent bystanders.
    • If we had lost the war, we would have all been prosecuted as war criminals.

    Not forgetting, of course, the atomic bombs on Hiroshima and Nagasaki, Agent Orange chemical warfare in Vietnam and the use of depleted uranium, and the latest innovation -drone warfare, which to date has killed in excess of 4000 innocent civilians. This is total war as practised in the 20 and 21 centuries. No-one is innocent, though the victors will always downplay what they did. The winners of course write the history books.

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    • Yes, I find it quite strange that WE are now the protector of oppressed countries all around the world. OK…I’m being somewhat facetious . But we do use underhanded techniques to change the leaders and govt’s of so many countries for many ,many years. These actions which are primarily designed to benefit the multi-national corporations have ALWAYS caused death and harm to the civilian populations of those countries. If the US had a REAL MSM source… rather then the corporate club one …American citizens would be aware of the facade called Democracy that is upon us now.

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    • We mustn’t forget the big RAF propaganda coup – the much vaunted dambusters – taking out the mohne, eder and sorpe dams – flooding the ruhr valley – crippling Germany’s heavy industry. Well, for a few days anyway – nice music though.
      We didn’t take out they’re industrial capacity because we needed it — American bankers paid a lot of our money for those machines. Similarly German technologies (developed from American patents) Google Operation Paperclip. It’s worth noting that Werner Von Braun – father of America’s missile / Appolo program was a Major in the SS – Google Dora – Mittleburg

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  10. Bjax says

    America is a Rogue Terrorist State now. Bankrupt morally and financially, they strut the world like the last days of the Raj. It’s over for them, and they know it. History shows that collapsing countries become more and more extreme as they spiral towards their eventual demise. I think there will be war with Russia, because it’s obvious that the Whitehouse is not running the country. Orders are coming from factions within the Pentagon, which itself is also falling apart from in-fighting. Any war hardened army vet can see that America will not win a war against Russia, and for this reason they are against this course of action. But suited Soros characters continue to use their power to ferment the idea of a winnable war. The mainstream media is bought and paid for long ago, but it is their narrative that the masses follow. As we know, it’s not journalism, it is propaganda, from mindless text thugs who don’t seem posses the intelligence to understand the implications.
    America has never won a war. Vietnam was not won by America, though enough movies would show otherwise. The war in Afganistan still continues 15 years later, Iraq, Libya, Syria … they are all broken countries, but the US did not has not, and cannot win these wars, but they still waged them. The big difference this time is that they have picked a formidable foe to fight with. US army generals agree that they are out Teched by Russia, and those Americans are along way from home. As Russian generals have stated, when the first salvo of cruise missile come into Syrian sovereign air space, they will all be taken out, which should stop the US there for a awhile. And unless America has battalions of air force willing to do suicide missions, things may stop there. If not, then all those mainstream media mocking birds will be leaving work early, to try and protect the children and family against radioactive fall out drifting across Britain and the rest of the world.

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  11. The war of narrative control operates the ‘continuity of mind’ in what we then experience as time. Mind-control plays out upon bodies, as ascendency ’em’ over ’em’ life yields dawning powerlessness… The ‘victor’ is the last to know. Shall not such reversal be of course itself reversed?

    The spiral of the widening gyre reaches its zenith,
    The mind no longer feels, receives or hears its Soul – as Movement of being, of which its entirety is,
    fragmentation, conflict, and further loss in the attempt to regain or manually replace the hollow – lack, and isolation of ungrounded centre-fold.
    An innocence of being – of our being… covered and drowned by guilt and blame, fear and hate, war and terror. True witness lost to reactive division in attempt to hide behind intensity of passion.

    Revisiting The Fall No 2879261
    Re-stamping the boot of hate on the face a new epoch, as portal through which to birth into shock?
    Or
    Recognise the embrace of such mind from Soul perspective?

    Earth prisms here
    as you accept in your heart
    So shall you be.

    The second coming is but
    A dawning of what had seemed forever lost
    to loss of what had seemed irrevocably true.
    In the flip of time
    from the expansion of presence
    As future serves to heal the past
    instead of embodying its enslavement.

    I Magi Nation
    gifts wholly
    to true desire.
    But to Herod’s fixed clutch on threat
    All power to himself beget.

    O love are you tired yet?

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  12. tommytcg says

    ……resolved to destroy the jihadist forces encamped in Aleppo without the American partner he had hoped for. Rollocks. Pres Putin knew all along US was arming, guiding IS.

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