Saving Syria’s Children – The Worst Case Of Fake News?

from UKColumn

We’ve talked about this topic many times on OffG, but at a time when “fakenews” is a hashtag, it’s worth returning to this most egregious and worrying example of – at best – sloppy reporting, or – at worst – wholesale deception.

What happened at the Urm al-Kubra school on August 26 2013? Was it a chemical attack, a napalm attack or some sort of drill/rehearsal that was passed off as a real event? If the latter then where did the deception originate? Were the BBC Panorama crew, present at the Atareb hospital to film the aftermath of the alleged atrocity heroes, dupes or wilful advocates for a lie? Was the fact their program aired on the eve of a crucial vote in parliament that might have sent the UK to war against Assad merely a coincidence or a deliberate and calculated act of propaganda to push public opinion to support a very dangerous escalation in the region?

In this program Mike Robinson, Patrick Henningsen and campaigner Robert Stuart take a look at what is quite possibly the worst example of mainstream media fake news in history.

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Please share: media fackery, re: London
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mohandeer
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What was the video supposedly purporting to? It could have been a drill, who knows?

BigBG
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@Mohandeer (Susan): this video is fucking bullshit. ‘Xcuse my French – but there is no other way to put it. It is the sort of half-cocked internet ‘research’ that Treason May is going to use to close us down. I did my own analysis yesterday, and quite clearly the man with the red beard is not Khuram Butt – who quite clearly IS the man outside the Wheatsheaf pub. I was cautious, if not to say skeptical, about the photos – which were taken by Gabriele Sciotto. Sifting through the reports, I have to say his account checks out –… Read more »

mohandeer
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Thanks BigBG. I seem to be totally out of the loop on this. I watched the police officers changing their clothes and in particular the red bearded officer changing into desert camos wearing only one short sleeved T.shirt and a watch on his left wrist. Next up on this video is a guy lying apparently dead who is wearing desert camos, a light green/blue short sleeved t shirt under a dark sleeveless top(as seen walking through the streets earlier with another man) and no watch. After studying the video full screen it was obvious that one of the two men… Read more »

BigB
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BigB

Anyone with a £30 video editing suite can make and post a video. The thing is, without establishing a timeline, things can taken out of context. Perhaps this unit were stood down after the event? They could be switching roles and uniforms to say crowd or traffic control? The man with the camos could be going off duty for all we know. Seems unlikely in the middle of a major incident – but not as unlikely as him getting dressed up as a stooge to be gunned down. Did he dye his beard and apply fake tan for the part?… Read more »

mohandeer
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Yup.
The arrows skitter across and around the body of the prone man, but fail to note the dark stain below his leg, which looks like blood pooled then dragged and whoever it is can’t spell and write English very well.
And you made another good point about time referencing without dates and times the footage is useless.
Having said that, after Hillsborough, Ogreave and various other revelations about police methods, it’s no wonder so many people don’t trust the police, but this latest offering – well dodgy!

Arrby
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Who’s watching the watchers? For one example, Genuine progressive outlets. (Al Jazeera eh. One minute they’re people’s champions [http://bit.ly/2kJDUoD]. The next… And it’s not only AJ. This is all so exhausting.) For now. I fear for their future. The agents of darkness will continue their assault on light, however dim or bright. For one example.
There are other watchers, for those who believe.
Well done all of you involved in the careful, hard work of dragging this evil into the light.

M. le Docteur Ralph
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M. le Docteur Ralph

If you want to understand what the ban on “fake” news is really about conduct a Google news search for “CIA” and “France” for the past 7 days and see how many British and American newspapers published the Wikileaks disclosure that the US hacked the 2012 French presidential election.
The answer I came up with from France is: Britain none, US two (Huffington Post and KRQE, the CBS television station for Albuquerque, New Mexico).
All of the major French newspapers published the story as a major news item.

flybow
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I clearly remember the bbc during the miners strike in the 80s. They were lying then.

flybow
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If you can’t find it. Here is a link.
https://archive.org/details/BBCPanoramaSavingSyriasChildren

jdseanjd
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Mike Robinson told Patrick Henningsen on a 21st century wire episode that the BBC sent in a team to stir up the “reformers” in Syria in 2004, to get the “civil war” ball rolling.
2009, members of our Brit govt mentioned to an ex French govt member that a “civil war” was brewing in Syria.
The “protests” didn’t start until 2011.
Plenty of time to buy shares in arms manufacturerers, if you know in advance what’s coming, eh chaps?
John Doran.

tutisicecream
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A fascinating analysis and investigation from UK Column’s Insight showing quite conclusively the faked news created by BBC – and paid for with license payers money. A propaganda piece which was timed to coincide with the vote in Parliament about backing the US in war with Syria to oust Assad (another country with a democratically elected leader earmarked for regime change). The vote fortunately was lost as it would have draw the UK into another illegal war based on fabricated intelligence. The other important issue that UK Column raises is that the BBC has now set itself up as a… Read more »

mohandeer
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The problem lies in the fact that such hypocrisy is shared by so many that no-one, certainly within government and MSM, will make the observations public – it would be like opening the floodgates to criticism of their own dishonesty.

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bevin

In order to understand capitalism and imperialism it is first necessary to contemplate the fact that both are forms of cannibalism on an industrial scale. Once one has understood that such people as the children, in this propaganda piece, form the diet of those making the programme. And that the object of the programme itself is to enable the consumption of hundreds of thousands more, mere ourage pales.
What do you expect from avowed and unashamed agents of a system which eats people? And is designed to do so?

jdseanjd
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We don’t live under a Capitalist system.
Where the Banksters & their multinational corporations control govts & policies,
it’s a crony-corporatism, which is a form of Fascism.
John Doran.

@synapticshrapnel
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The economy in western nations is wholly capitalist. The means of production are privately owned and generate a profit for the owners. The vast majority of citizens sell their labour to the owners (aka capitalists) via the labour market. That’s capitalism. The system is corrupt and rigged for the benefit of the obscenely wealthy, absolutely. There is much talk of a “free market” that would magically regulate itself if only the state stopped meddling in the economy and let the corporations and banks do business. (The NHS, state provided pensions, welfare and unemployment benefits, workers rights, health and safety regulations,… Read more »

jdseanjd
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Wrong, I’m afraid. Under Capitalism, weak/insolvent companies go broke, they fail. 2008 all the major banks were insolvent. They threatened to crash the world economy so politicians put banks’ debts on the backs of small taxpayers, declaring the mega-banks “too big to fail” There’s capitalim dead & buried, right there. QE was brought in to rebuild banks’ balance sheets. This shows banks in command of government, to the advantage of the few, to the detriment of the many. Fascism, surely? It sure as shooting is NOT capitalism. Interestingly, both Fascism & Communism were founded, funded & fostered by Banksters. Two… Read more »

George
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George

As synapticshrapnel said above, the “self regulating” market i.e. the corner stone of capitalism is a fiction. Thus capitalism is a system that is based on a lie. It can never achieve equilibrium. It is prone to crises. The crash of 2008 was capitalism in action.

jdseanjd
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mohandeer
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Nicely put. Colourful, but cogent.

mohandeer
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Capitalism these days, is a myth. It died quite some time ago and was replaced by corporatism on a scale never imagined by the detractors of socialism. Once condemned by the west, Stalin, who was indeed a tyrant and dictator, can now be viewed as a pussycat by comparison. When viewed as a whole, the worlds tortured souls, whether it is from starvation, rape, death by bombs dropped by drones, thrown by ISIS from a helicopter or just plain old fashioned beheading and terror, would probably not care who was responsible if the whole world and it’s granny were in… Read more »

Jerry Alatalo
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If those at BBC and their criminal associates who imagined, moved forward and produced the clearly propagandist “Saving Syria’s Children” haven’t broken any laws, then laws in the U.K. must be updated immediately. Will any elected member of U.K.’s government do the right thing and denounce BBC for this totally immoral and deceptive action, or should people keep quiet and accept this as the “new normal”? Thank God there are good people like those who produced this expose on “Insight” to point out the outrageous, unacceptable, and truly criminal.

mohandeer
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I never watched the programme because I had chosen to boycott the propagandist BBC and Channel 4. It was just getting too expensive. Remote Controls cost £24 a time and replacing them was bad enough whenever I became so angered by the BBC misrepresentation of facts and blatant dishonesty that I ended up chucking the remote control against the wall opposite me, screaming you lying b******s. Now I have moved my furniture round and the wall opposite me is where the TV is and I really can’t afford to replace that If my disgust and anger gets the better of… Read more »

Seraskier
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Seraskier

Nothing to be found on the BBC is worth watching. You are completely right to boycott these neocon numpties

Philip Roddis
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Nothing worth watching. Hmm. Do you mean BBC news and comment or BBC, period? The latter includes Happy Valley, Line of Duty, Taboo, Apple Tree Yard, Hollow Crown, Wolf Hall and much, much more.
If you mean the former then I agree. My classical music intake has gone up a thousand percent in recent years. I used to start the day with Radio 4 but now can’t stand it. Once I’ve heard the headlines for what’s afoot – or what Beeb says is afoot – I tweak the dial to Radio 3 and its more conducive sounds.

Admin
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Very apposite to remind people that the BBC is more than its lamentable and criminally dishonest “news” output. The corporation that brought us “Saving Syria’s Children” also brought us, and continues to deliver, some outstanding drama and music. Maybe auntie Beeb should give up current affairs and stick to what it does best.

mohandeer
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OK. Sometimes I would like to break my boycott because of the BBC History Channel, but in truth, I can find the same information in a library. If we cherry pick the programmes we like, rather than sending a clear and unrelenting message, then we might as well admit that any attempts to hold them to account are halfhearted token gestures. Not all Israelis are bad people, but the BDS movement is not aimed at them but the policies of successive murderous regimes and the only way to stop their hateful policies is to Boycott Israel as a state. South… Read more »

Jen
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Jen

It must be said though that recent series of Doctor Who, after Russell T Davies left the show and Stephen Moffatt replaced him as producer, are not a patch on what the show used to be when it was first revived, and on the show in its 1970s glory days. I stopped watching the show after David Tennant left and from what I hear about it, the show seems to be more jingoistic than it used to be.

Arrby
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I try to tune out propaganda when I’m watching shows I like, for entertainment purposes. I’ve watched Dr Who forever. Just speaking to the entertainment aspect of the show, It’s gone downhill for sure. God save the Queen?

flybow
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flybow

Put up the correct link this time. Sorry for the mistake in the Ukraine one.

Sav
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Sav

When my Mother hit 75 they were still taking money for 2 years for the licence. Took me forever to get it back. The organisation they use to hound you for licence money don’t give a stuff about ever refunding you. BBC also have a cut off point at which they claim they don’t have to reply to any complaint you have of their programming. Not that they would even take seriously one you did make in time. They deliberately string out replies, as they did for Robert Stuart, for as long as they can and hope you’ll get fed… Read more »

mohandeer
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And they wonder why people don’t care of Sky takes them over. What difference does it make who is lying to you?

mohandeer
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Reblogged this on Worldtruth and commented:
It’s well worth being reminded frequently on just how deceitful and egregious the BBC and Channel 4 are in so much of their establishment supporting propaganda.

captain Swing
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captain Swing

I can clearly remember reading through Stuart’s blog.about this BBC report. What this excellent Insight report can’t convey, given the medium and time constraints, is the sheer effrontery of the lies, the collusion and the disparagement of the original grounds for complaint. And then we had the BBC’s subsequent attempts to conceal and rebut the truth. Astounding work. For me personally, this is when I stopped watching the BBC and stopped paying the TV Licence. A truly disgraceful event, one of many I have now come to believe, in the history of the BBC. And guess what, at a friend’s… Read more »

@synapticshrapnel
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I first became aware of this story about a year and a half ago and was astounded that besides Robert Stuart (the guy who has been working to shine light onto this shameful scam) there was almost no discussion about this sketchy “documentary”. Lots of personal attacks on Stuart and his character but the “arguments” against his findings basically came down to “how dare you demean these poor children..Assad is a monster”. Watching the body language of the “victims” doing their zombie act…it is much too relaxed and they go from complete passivity to moaning ghouls staggering around like drunkards.… Read more »

mohandeer
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Your’e not wrong or mistaken. I refused to watch it on the Beeb and saw it on the alt. news. Basic intuition alone tells you something is not right, then further along you know instinctively that what you are witnessing does not accord with what is being conveyed and the dissonance just progresses from there. I still wonder how so many who watched this did not get the sense that it was all wrong and didn’t add up and that what we were seeing was a re-enactment of what supposedly happened. which then begged the question Why? Why go to… Read more »

Sav
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Sav

Even if we are to believe the injuries are real, there is no doubt in my mind that the participants are being directed to make a ‘movie’. Nothing at all adds up.
As usual – the parents of the ‘victims’ are not available anywhere. Western media would be falling over themselves to interview them to justify intervention.
Total bull. Just one in a long line of it.