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State-funded BBC lets Boris Johnson claim of Russia “stockpiling novichok” go unchallenged while UK govt's Skripal “drama” continues to defy sense & reason

Boris Johnson is given free rein to talk nonsense by state-funded Andrew Marr on state-funded BBC


The Russian election is rolling on, so far with no major hitches, and maybe even less than the expected level of Western sniping. Ghouta continues to be liberated, and so far the predictions of a chemical weapons false flag to justify NATO cruise missile attacks on Damascus have not come about. For the sake of global survival we have to hope that continues.
Meanwhile the Skripal case is exposed more and more as a poorly executed, ragged and ridiculous piece of political theatre.
The name “novichok” was very possibly grabbed from a Sky TV drama aired earlier this year.

In the TV show novichok is presented as a secret and deadly and exclusively Russian nerve agent, and this is indeed the way May presented it in Parliament. Her research team possibly didn’t bother to look any further, and this is why, when the truth about real-life novichoks emerged, the government was left floundering.
Risible of course, but currently not completely impossible.
Rather than acknowledging the dismal and embarrassing failure of their narrative the UK government, in the person of Boris Johnson, is apparently doubling down and telling fresh and even more extraordinary stories. On the state-funded BBC’s Andrew Marr show today, Johnson talked parallel-universe nonsense for 20 minutes, completely unchallenged by state-funded Marr of course, who simply let him say whatever he felt like saying, in the grand tradition of state-funded BBC complicity in state-level deceit. Johnson’s brand of weasel-words and lies by omission and commission was in the best tradition of “perfidious Albion”, even going so far as to allege at one point:

We actually have evidence within the last 10 years that Russia has not only been investigating the delivery of nerve agents for the purpose of assassination, but has also been creating and stockpiling novichok.

A claim that flies in the face of every known fact, including a) that Russia’s entire stockpile of chemical weapons was verified as destroyed last year by the OPCW, and that novichoks had never been considered viable or manufactured anywhere prior to an alleged OPCW-observed succesful atempt to do so by Iran in 2016.
The government’s rhetoric is currently so deranged, its conduct by turns so delusional and so furtive, while the basic facts of what happened to the Skripals remain so contradictory, it’s legitimate at this stage to wonder how real any of this “drama” actually is.
And what the endgame here can possibly be.


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jamienbailey

Time for an off BBC. ?

Ross Hendry

With regard to the BBC, for me the writing was on the wall when the BBC World Service (the government’s overseas propaganda unit) ceased to be funded by the Foreign Office and was bundled in with national TV and Radio, to be funded by the licence payer.
Suddenly all pretence that our domestic broadcaster was independent and totally separate from any influence by HMG went out of the window,

alaffcreator

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milosevic
milosevic

Somebody should turn that into an animated GIF.

vierotchka

Go ahead, it isn’t difficult with https://giphy.com/create/gifmaker

Ivan
Ivan

It is unbelievable what happens on the Independent site since last night.
Most of the comments which were skeptical about the Skripal affair or supporting Russia got erased without any reason, leaving mostly comments denigrating the Russian state and its people.
for example here:
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/russia-election-latest-putin-victory-skripal-attack-link-increase-citizen-turnout-uk-salisbury-spy-a8262996.html
My feeling unfortunately is that such things, this wave of libel and smear, is a precursor to a war which will be opened by the US “allied” with EU, probably against Syria, then gradually hitting Russian forces there as well.

Dermot O Connor

Perhaps the owners of the laughably titled ‘Independent’ might have a role in that?
https://www.theguardian.com/media/2017/jul/29/saudi-investor-buys-up-significant-stake-in-the-independent

vierotchka

One should make screenshots of comments which were skeptical about the Skripal affair or supporting Russia before they get erased, for future reference. 🙂

MichaelK
MichaelK

Think what this says about our mass-media, that with all their resources, thousands of journalists, always so dedicated and bustling to provide us with the latest news and views, that it’s up to Craig Murray to put them all to shame by asking the right questions, which demolishes the entire foundation for this absurd piece of crass and very nasty political theatre.
There’s an awful puff piece in the Guardian about Cathy Newman from Channel Four News and reading it one senses that both of the journalists live in comfortable fantasy world, where they are intrepid and fearless professionals striving to present the Truth to an eager public. The News is something precious and holy for them and facts are jewels they mine with their sweat.
Yet Cathy, an Amazon princess of journalism, can’t ask a single, simple, relevant question about this transparently pathetic piece of nonsense coming out of Salisbury… shameful and grotesque.

milosevic
milosevic

Think what this says about our mass-media, that with all their resources, thousands of journalists, always so dedicated and bustling to provide us with the latest news and views,
The Big Lie doesn’t come cheap. The Mighty Wurlitzer wouldn’t wurlitz the way it does, if it weren’t mightily well-funded.
that it’s up to Craig Murray to put them all to shame by asking the right questions, which demolishes the entire foundation for this absurd piece of crass and very nasty political theatre.
And yet the Spectacle continues, undiminished and unimpeded, as if it hadn’t even noticed the demolition of its entire foundation. (Much like it survived, undiminished, the demolitions of 9/11/2001.)
Think what this says about the Spectacle’s highly trained Audience. Only experts in Reality Control could successfully maintain their suspension of disbelief, under such extremely adverse and trying conditions.

MichaelK
MichaelK

There are so many obvious, simple and important questions about this strange affair in Salisbury and Boris Johnson’s latest extraordinary performance on the Andrew Marr Show, yet, it’s hard to find a single journalist employed within our ‘free and independent’ and ‘non-propaganda’ mainstream media, that are asking any of them.
It’s left to Craig Murray to ask the obvious questions and take apart the absurd version of events presented by the government. How does such mind-numbing uniformity come to exist? Why do the journalists agree with the government about so much? It can’t be because the ‘facts’ are so obvious, because clearly they are not. Whatever happened to this ‘spectrum of views’ idea that our media is supposed to eagerly reflect?
Why on earth would the Russians use such a clumsy and easily traced chemical weapon to carry out the assassination of such a minor and uninteresting, useless, ex-spy? So they spend a fortune developing a secret facility to produce chemical weapons and hand them to their network of assassins, but then decide to ‘reveal’ this costly secret in order to attack one old, clapped-out spy in Salisbury! Come on, this is ridiculous! So, the dastardly Russians are smart enough to create these weapons under our noses, but not smart enough to hide the trail back to the Kremlin and Putin!
This entire affair… stinks and seem to be a carefully arranged provocation using a dramatic narrative copied from a second-rate tv show. So this is how WW3 begins, how droll!

milosevic
milosevic

How does such mind-numbing uniformity come to exist? Why do the journalists agree with the government about so much? It can’t be because the ‘facts’ are so obvious, because clearly they are not. Whatever happened to this ‘spectrum of views’ idea that our media is supposed to eagerly reflect?
“It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his salary depends upon his not understanding it.” — Upton Sinclair

MichaelK
MichaelK

Point taken, but this is the slide towards war with Russia after all. Money doesn’t mean much if you’re a pile ash, does it? Don’t these people think, at all, ever?

milosevic
milosevic

They’re no longer capable of thinking, in the normal sense, if they ever were. They’ve reached their exalted positions in the ruling class Establishment because they’re carefully trained themselves, probably since highschool, or earlier, to think only the kind of thoughts that will advance the interests of the ruling class, and their own careers in service to it.
George Orwell explains how it’s done: “To know and not to know, to be conscious of complete truthfulness while telling carefully constructed lies, to hold simultaneously two opinions which cancelled out, knowing them to be contradictory and believing in both of them, to use logic against logic, to repudiate morality while laying claim to it, to believe that democracy was impossible and that the Party was the guardian of democracy, to forget whatever it was necessary to forget, then to draw it back into memory again at the moment when it was needed, and then promptly to forget it again: and above all, to apply the same process to the process itself. That was the ultimate subtlety: consciously to induce unconsciousness, and then, once again, to become unconscious of the act of hypnosis you had just performed.”
As you said above, they “live in a comfortable fantasy world”, where truth is whatever sustains the fantasy, and falsehood whatever threatens to collapse it. They no longer believe in physical reality; nobody who did could swallow the WTC-7 demolition, or convince themselves that it was not important enough to care about. If they paid attention to that kind of thing, or the unimportant details of the Skripal psyop, the comfortable fantasy would collapse pretty quickly, along with their careers. They’re conscious of this fact, because they know not to ask any relevant questions, and yet they’re almost simultaneously unconscious of it, because if they knew they were lying, they couldn’t project the requisite aura of truthiness and gravitas to be the frontpersons for the highbrow media. Conscious liars are relegated to the lowbrow media, where their inferior presentation merits correspondingly inferior material compensation.

flaxgirl

Orwell called it Crimestop.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thoughtcrime
“Crimestop” means to rid oneself of unwanted thoughts immediately, i.e., thoughts that interfere or disagree with the ideology of the Party. This way, a person avoids committing thoughtcrime.
In the novel, we hear about crimestop through the eyes of protagonist Winston Smith:
The mind should develop a blind spot whenever a dangerous thought presented itself. The process should be automatic, instinctive. Crimestop, they called it in Newspeak.
He set to work to exercise himself in crimestop. He presented himself with propositions—’the Party says the earth is flat’, ‘the party says that ice is heavier than water’—and trained himself in not seeing or not understanding the arguments that contradicted them.
Orwell also describes crimestop from the perspective of Emmanuel Goldstein in the book The Theory and Practice of Oligarchical Collectivism:
Crimestop means the faculty of stopping short, as though by instinct, at the threshold of any dangerous thought. It includes the power of not grasping analogies, of failing to perceive logical errors, of misunderstanding the simplest arguments if they are inimical to Ingsoc, and of being bored or repelled by any train of thought which is capable of leading in a heretical direction. Crimestop, in short, means protective stupidity.
Also see Edward Curtin’s article, Denying the Obvious: Leftists and Crimestop
https://off-guardian.org/2018/02/09/denying-the-obvious-leftists-and-crimestop/

always write
always write

has anyone seen the ” victims” yet?

vierotchka

Craig Murray published an excellent article yesterday:
Boris Johnson Issues Completely New Story on “Russian Novichoks”
https://www.craigmurray.org.uk/archives/2018/03/boris-johnson-issues-completely-new-story-on-russian-novichoks/

flaxgirl

So can anyone explain? The lack of confirmation of hospital is exactly the same problem as in the Seth Rich death hoax. And in each case, the maligned side obviously knows it’s a hoax but doesn’t call it out. (In the Rich hoax, it’s the Democrats). Even when you look at 9/11 both Pakistan and Saudi Arabia were actually involved and millions of Muslims know it was an inside job but how many are calling it out? None that I can see.
It’s all a game at the top. I just don’t get it.

milosevic
milosevic

the Seth Rich death hoax
What do you mean by “hoax”? He didn’t die? He’s not the actual source of the “Russian hackers” leak? Or the Democratic Party apparatus and the “deep state” had nothing to do with it? What would be your evidence for that?
in each case, the maligned side obviously knows it’s a hoax but doesn’t call it out. Even when you look at 9/11 both Pakistan and Saudi Arabia were actually involved
That’s what’s called a “limited hangout”; it’s the backup plan when the Official Story starts visibly collapsing, so that people now imagine that they’ve discovered the formerly-secret “truth”, and cease any further inquiry.
Following the assumption that the simplest explanation consistent with the available evidence is most likely to be correct, you might conclude that for three out of four airplanes, there were no hijackers at all. The passengers and flight crews were simply gassed after take-off, as with the Moscow theatre terrorists, and the planes were then flown by autopilot to their targets. On one plane, CIA or Mossad contractors, posing as radical Islamic terrorists, were deliberately inserted, specifically to generate the panicked phone calls from the passengers on which the entire Official Story depends. Something then went wrong with the plan, and the plane either crashed or was shot down, causing it to miss its appointment with WTC-7, leading to much future embarrassment.
See how much simpler and more reliable that is?
millions of Muslims know it was an inside job but how many are calling it out? None that I can see.
In Moslem-majority countries, the idea that 9/11 was a US government operation is just taken for granted. It doesn’t require any public discussion, because everybody already knows.
In Western countries, most of the Moslem minority population, at least those still in contact with their societies of origin, are fully clued in, but are already experiencing sufficient racist backlash, both official and unofficial, that they do not wish to exacerbate their problems by publically denouncing the foundational myth around which those cultures are now organized.
That task would properly be the responsibility of the ethnic-majority Left, but aside from a few individuals, visible in forums such as this, they seem to be missing in action. After all, if they were to educate themselves about subjects on which they would rather remain ignorant, they might then feel compelled to say something, in a moment of weakness. Then the government and “philanthropic” grants on which their comfy middle-class NGO careers depend, would dry up, and their left-liberal friends would call them “Conspiracy Theorists”, and stop coming around.
Everybody’s got priorities.

flaxgirl

By Seth Rich death hoax I do mean he didn’t die. This two-minute video of a family interview (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LOn09bhDXMo) taken 3 days after the alleged death shows the father starting to mouth the mother’s words as the camera pans from him to her (clearly indicating scripting and also a sign they’re TELLING us it’s a hoax, that is, the “revelation of the method (ROV)” they are obliged to employ), the brother swallowing his smiles (also ROV), zero signs of anyone of grieving (ROV), platitudes and dead giveaway, the black and white Masonic panda (ROV). This is a link to a website of a Mason (seemingly just a normal Mason who’s not into the high-level stuff) recommending the movie, Kung Fu Panda, to other Masons and their children because of all the Masonic references https://www.myfreemasonry.com/threads/kung-fu-panda-the-mysteries.2085/
I’m not sure what you mean by your explanation of 9/11. We’re both agreed it was a false flag where people died, right? I’m not suggesting that it was a hoax, although even in the case of 9/11, it seems that not as many people died as stated – who’s died since makes up millionsfold so it’s immaterial really but it’s interesting that they manage to put some element of hoax into the number who died too. http://www.septemberclues.info/vicsims_photo-analyses.shtml (The article suggests all the deaths may have been staged but that’s silly as a number of people were wanted dead. See Jeremy Rys’s film on who was in the building, who wasn’t and where they were. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n_fp5kaVYhk

Admin

This discussion is wandering way off topic isn’t it.

flaxgirl

I wouldn’t say that at all. As I say, there’s a similarity between the Seth Rich death hoax and this one: that there is no confirmation of the hospital and if everyone recognised SR as a hoax there wouldn’t have to be any discussion about it, I’d just refer to it, but people don’t. They seem to be incredibly resistant to the idea for some reason even though the 2-min video makes it very, very clear and indicates that in no shape or form could it fit “real event” – no shape or form. It seems we all have our level of hoaxery recognition – I’m sure I have my own but it seems to be on the higher end. These events should be viewed in the massive context in which they appear, not as isolated or even simply as part of a wider let’s-go-to-war-with-Russia-thing – the context is so much bigger than that. Seth Rich and Skripal are connected, they’re not individual events that happen to have a partly similar MO. Come off it.
The more important similarity (prompted to me by the hospital similarity) is that it is obvious that the maligned side (Democrats, Russians) KNOW that it’s a hoax and yet don’t speak out. The Russian ambassador indicates by his jocular reference to Poirot that he KNOWS it’s a hoax and yet he doesn’t actually come out and say it, nor does Putin. Even without the jocular reference we know they know it’s a hoax.
So to my mind all that can fit this event is exactly the conclusion of this post on the Masonic analysis about it being part of an completely-engineered very grand NWO plan – https://steemit.com/conspiracy/@lavater/sergei-skripal-poisoned-russian-spy-masonic-hoax-33-and-777-coded. If anyone else can come up with a better explanation that fits the facts, please do. For it to be anything else, surely we have to accept that the Russians don’t know it’s a hoax and they obviously will. Everyone does, even The Sun and the Daily Mail readers so the Russians should feel perfectly comfortable coming out and saying it – and here in the DM we see them saying they suspect UK intel – so they’re almost saying it but not quite. And it’s the not quite bit that’s quite important.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5467255/UK-intelligence-group-poisoned-spy-Russian-paper-claims.html
If you really want to go down the rabbit-hole into NWO plans just google “decoding The Economist cover”. I just watched this video in Spanish which I don’t understand but I could understand to a degree because of the visuals – fascinating. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V4gTC7O6TNs

Alan
Alan

Although I don’t speak Russian doesn’t Novichok just mean something new?, therefore usage in a drama is unremarkable. No doubt children in the future will be taught how Vladimir Putin developed and administered this nerve agent whilst disguised as an ice cream cone. As for Mr Marr, he’s a television presenter acting the role of an interviewer within a television show. In other words, pure theatre.

shaksvshav
shaksvshav
flaxgirl

It’s interesting that Tyler asks when wondering about the lack of confirmation of their whereabouts the question, Do they even exist? because when I saw dad was 66 and daughter was 33 I thought “You’ve got to be kidding me,” and wondered exactly the same thing. 33 is THE Masonic number while all multiples of 11 are significant – 9/11, JFK assassination 22/11.

flaxgirl

This prompts me to really wonder. If the Skripals don’t really exist – or even if they do – Russia knows this is a ludicrous false flag hoax so why don’t they call it out? The Poirot reference is a bit of a giveaway. The Dutch former high-finance operative turned whistleblower, Ronald Bernard, has said that at the very top there’s no distinction. They’re all in it together. Here’s an image taken secretly of Putin, Bush and Chinese president at a Masonic gathering. https://archive.org/details/bush_putin_china_prez

Jay Q
Jay Q

What the heck? Crazy, crazy image!

milosevic
milosevic

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flaxgirl

Oh dear, another clanger I’ve made. However, according to the person linked to in my comment below, Putin is nevertheless a Mason, there is massive Masonic symbolism in this event and it really makes no sense for Russia not to call this out, does there, unless they’re somehow in on it? The Hegelian Dialectic “Two conflicting sides to reach a predefined conclusion, is what they always use to reach their common objective: The NWO,” makes more sense than any alternatives, no?

milosevic
milosevic

On that theory, explain why the Russian military has spent the last two years, and over a hundred lives, saving Syria from the drooling psychopaths that the NWO sent to destroy it.

flaxgirl

Milosevic, my knowledge of these matters is very limited so I cannot answer your question, but the simple facts are that this event was staged and so was SR’s death and the maligned sides know and don’t call them out … or not completely … I mean you could say the Russians do by referring to Poirot and saying they think it’s UK intel because, of course, it was but they don’t actually say the word “hoax”. There’s false flag hoaxes all over the show, including the train bombing in St Petersburg last year (https://nodisinfo.com/smoke-bombs-used-fake-terror-attack-st-petersburg-subway-bombing-hoax/) and they tend to have the same MO and they all use Masonic symbology. No side never calls the other out. Ever. They can’t because they all do it but it seems, more than that, they’re all in on it somehow or perhaps they play their own little game where they surprise each other. Perhaps the Dems didn’t know about SR till it actually happened and got caught out. They would have recognised instantly though that it was a hoax if they didn’t know in advance. I do find it a puzzle, a real puzzle but I think the hypothesis of a tiny power elite with a NWO agenda seems to fit pretty well.

flaxgirl

It almost seems to me that the power elite are rubbing their mockery so much in our faces that they really do want us to know. I thought I’d check out The Sun as it tends to really go for it with the false-flag hoaxes (here’s a priceless example for the Manchester bombing – https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/3671647/harrowing-footage-shot-by-dad-searching-for-teen-daughter-in-manchester-arena-moments-after-bomb-blast/) but this article (https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/5840249/nerve-agent-novichok-sergei-skripal-car-russia-spy/) didn’t seem particularly more silly – it would be hard now, wouldn’t it? What surprised me was that every single comment made fun and they’re quite hilarious. I love the names of some of the commenters: Colonel Mustard, Whoflungdung, Baron Stephen Von Reichenbach.

flaxgirl

Seriously, I think they really are trying to tell us. Why would they report the Russian ambassador having a Poirot dig? Surely, people are simply forced to laugh along with it. It’s weird – all the Russiaphobic stuff and then a joke from the Russians that can only make you sympathise with them. Funnily enough, when you google “skripal” “poirot” site:.ru, there’s only one response and it’s an article in French. No doubt the UK Russian ambassador is in on it, too. Maybe he complained the Russiaphobia was simply too much and it needed to be lightened a little with his little joke that could only draw sympathetic response.

Kathy
Kathy

I have heard it said that they do have to tell us. It,s up to us if we take notice. That is why we are meant to be sleep walking and not properly awake.

Kathy
Kathy

All the world’s a stage,
And all the men and women merely players;
They have their exits and their entrances,
And one man in his time plays many parts,
His acts being seven ages. At first, the infant,
Mewling and puking in the nurse’s arms.
Then the whining schoolboy, with his satchel
And shining morning face, creeping like snail
Unwillingly to school. And then the lover,
Sighing like furnace, with a woeful ballad
Made to his mistress’ eyebrow. Then a soldier,
Full of strange oaths and bearded like the pard,
Jealous in honor, sudden and quick in quarrel,
Seeking the bubble reputation
Even in the cannon’s mouth. And then the justice,
In fair round belly with good capon lined,
With eyes severe and beard of formal cut,
Full of wise saws and modern instances;
And so he plays his part. The sixth age shifts
Into the lean and slippered pantaloon,
With spectacles on nose and pouch on side;
His youthful hose, well saved, a world too wide
For his shrunk shank, and his big manly voice,
Turning again toward childish treble, pipes
And whistles in his sound. Last scene of all,
That ends this strange eventful history,
Is second childishness and mere oblivion,
Sans teeth, sans eyes, sans taste, sans everything.

flaxgirl

Yes, they do have to tell us. It’s called “revelation of the method”. The staged event analyst, Ole Dammegard, was told by an insider that they justify their evil deeds by telling us with clues, things that don’t add up, numbers and symbols, contradictions, impossibilities, ridiculousness, multiple changes in story, “leaked” candid footage, etc.
Here is a Masonic analysis of the event starting with an image of an orange bag and a builder’s bucket (words are coded using an ancient method, Gematria, and “orange” codes to 33)
https://steemit.com/conspiracy/@lavater/sergei-skripal-poisoned-russian-spy-masonic-hoax-33-and-777-coded
As I stated in an earlier comment the Russians know and there shouldn’t be anything stopping them exposing it and the ambassador’s comment about Poirot surely means he’s part of it. This is the conclusion of the analysis.
An Order Out of Chaos PsyOp aimed at increasing the Tyranny in the UK (increased “Security”) and programming the masses into hating Russia & Putin (who of course has already been blamed) in preparation for WW3.
Why doesn’t Putin expose these hoaxes? because he’s part of the charade (member of Freemason Lodge Golden Eurasia) and it takes 2 sides to tango in a War. The Hegelian Dialectic, 2 conflicting sides to reach a predefined conclusion, is what they always use to reach their common objective: The NWO.

milosevic
milosevic
milosevic
milosevic
shaksvshav
shaksvshav

The FCO had a post on twitter berating Russia for taking 10 years to get rid of chemical weapons (no mention of the USA or Israel, of course). Now Boris says they never got rid of them. They need to get their propaganda straight.

MichaelK
MichaelK

Corbyn isn’t some radical socialist as far as I can see. He’s more a traditional, middle-of-the-road… social democrat with a slightly left of centre political agenda. That the entire political spectrum has lurched dramatically to the political right over the last few decades, especially inside parliament, which is massively unrepresentative, is the only thing that makes Corbyn appear ‘radical.’

MichaelK
MichaelK

Here’s a pretty misrable, unfortunately rather accurate, summation of a lot that’s wrong with our political culture and how difficult and dangerous it’s become to voice even the mildest criticism of the state’s attitude towards Russia.
http://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2018/03/19/corb-m19.html

bevin
bevin

Perhaps the purpose of this hysteria is not to ‘prepare the public’ for an attack on Syria but to distract the public from the reality that any direct attack on Syria will lead to an immediate response by Russia.
If Russia has indeed told the US that, if any missiles are launched against Damascus, it will sink the ships that launched them then there will either be a crisis bigger by far than the Cuban Missile Crisis or an immediate nuclear war.
If that is the game being played then the idiotic tantrums being performed around Skrival’s case are a small price to pay for a deliberate distraction from the end of US hegemony in the Middle East.
I have no more idea of whether this is the situation than my new puppy has but it is a real possibility.
If the US and NATO have to retreat from southern and western Syria with nothing more to feel happy about than the fact that their actions have ruined millions of lives, caused billions of damage and further hardened the wahhabi warlords and their bandit gangs, (whose natural next move is to move into the fat and undefended pastures of the EU), that is the sort of victory those who take on a critically wounded empire win.

mog
mog

I increasingly think that those things can only be answered by considering religious questions.
How much of the Neocons’ motivation comes from straightforward greed for resources, markets or monetary dominance, and how much from a religious ideology interpretted from the Old Testament ?

Ross Hendry

100% greed in my view. The religious ideology is just presentational.

mog
mog

Fair enough.
I have been trying to form an opinion for many years, and still haven’t.
The pursuit of material wealth beyond a certain point seems to be driven by a craving for power.
What is the principle of ‘power’ ? I guess that leads into metaphysics…

Ross Hendry

Agreed. Some random thoughts:
Maybe the craving for money and power shows that at root it’s a sociopathic/psychopathic insecurity. The inability to just “be” in the present arises from the fear of what that really entails – becoming conscious of and integrating repressed traumatic material.
It’s not so much that these seemingly hyper-ambitious types are pursuing something as they are running away from something. The big problem is that our culture actively promotes this kind of self-avoidance.

Paul Downey
Paul Downey

“the inability to just “be””. 40 years ago somebody suggested to me that human beings had all died out in W . Europe, to be replaced by human doings. That seemed to answer a question I’d had for some time ….It might prove a useful reflection for some here.

mog
mog

As far as I am concerned, the Tories have won this.
Corbyn and McDonnell, Sturgeon and Lucas, the whole sorry racist lot of them have zero credibility and deserve all the defeat that comes their way.
This has been a loyalty test, nothing more. The option was either to unquestioningly believe the completely unfounded statements of the Tory government or to stand up for reason, truth and the principles of justice that underscore what little is good about our society. They have bowed to the hysteria of a brainwashed, facebooked public and a psychopathic brainwashing media.
These politicians are traitors to peace and any sense of common humanity.
Even if the Russian state is ultimately proved beyond doubt to be solely culpable for what (if anything?) went on in Salisbury, I would still claim the above. Once those principles are thrown out, it’s darn near impossible to get them back. It is unforgivable.

milosevic
milosevic

This has been a loyalty test, nothing more. The option was either to unquestioningly believe the completely unfounded statements of the Tory government or to stand up for reason, truth and the principles of justice that underscore what little is good about our society. They have bowed to the hysteria of a brainwashed, facebooked public and a psychopathic brainwashing media.
You could, of course, say the same thing about the even more obviously manufactured 9/11 event. That was the litmus test of all litmus tests for anybody claiming to be an opponent of the Anglo-Zionist Empire.
Once that test had been spectacularly failed, say by the date of the original Iraq invasion in March 2003, the slide down the slippery slope became essentially unstoppable for all those who had been thereby revealed as fake-left poseurs.
And now here we are. Colour me completely unsurprised.

mog
mog

I totally agree milosevic.
The course was set back then, this is the destination.
I think that our slide (in the UK) into totalitarianism and war is now inevitable, short of some hugely unpredicable outside intervention.
I guess that I harboured some vague hope that someone in the political-media establishment might be awake to the idea of false flags enough to actually demand standard levels of skepticism about Salisbury (perhaps even private 9/11 skeptics ?) – but this seems idealistic twaddle now.

Big B
Big B

Now we know what the significance of reinforcing al-Tanf was: they are training the FSA in the use of chemical weapons there – according to Russian General Staff spokesman General Sergey Rudskoy.
https://zerohedge.whotrades.com/blog/43175985996

milosevic
milosevic

shaksvshav
shaksvshav

“Supine protoplasmic invertebrate jellies”, to use one of Boris’ favourite phrases.

shaksvshav
shaksvshav

“Craven opportunists” (me)

Harry Law
Harry Law

Mrs May takes no chances… from Zero Hedge

Harry Law
Harry Law

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Guest
Guest

What gets me about the comments in the guardian regarding the Russian government. Is the condescending attitude on display
This is coupled with the complete lack of self awareness about their own countries political system.
The uk government sells arms to oppressive regimes that end up in the hands of terrorists
They then turn a blind eye to the activity of the gulf monarchies who fund jihadi terrorism.
They knowingly support regime change destroying countries creating refugees
What has Russia done that could match that?

Arrby

“The Russian election is rolling on, so far with no major hitches, and maybe even less than the expected level of Western sniping.” I haven’t looked around in the major media (which I don’t do at all really) since Putin’s expected win, but I did pop into the Toronto Star. It’s awful on anything dealing with politics and foreign policy. And that’s putting it mildly. Putin’s win elicited some typical racist ranting that the ruined Star was happy to spew at its readers: “Russia extends Vladimir Putin’s power for six more years in barely democratic election” by Vladimir Isachenkov and Jim Heintz (The Associated Press)

vierotchka

Published on 18 Mar 2018
Incumbent Russian leader Vladimir Putin is set to secure a resounding victory in the Russian presidential election, according to partial results made public by the electoral commission.
With 31 percent of the votes counted, mostly in eastern part of the country, Vladimir Putin leads with 73 percent of the vote, well above the simple majority needed to avoid a run-off.
First-time Communist Party candidate Pavel Grudinin is running second with 15 percent, while veteran nationalist politician Vladimir Zhirinovsky, who first ran against Boris Yeltsin in 1991, rounds out the top three with about seven percent.
None of the other five candidates is on track to receive more than two percent of the vote.
The early results are in line with exit-polls conducted by Russian polling agencies FOM, which predicted Putin would take 77 percent of the vote, and VCIOM, which forecast a final share of 73.9 percent for the current president.
Ella Pamfilova, head of the Russian Central Election Commission, has said that there were no major violations during the vote, and that only “minor and local complaints” were received.
Vladimir Putin is widely expected to address his supporters at a massive anniversary rally in Moscow’s Red Square, dedicated to Crimea voting to become a part of Russia four years ago.
Putin was first elected to the Kremlin in 2000, and again four years later. Constitutionally barred from serving more than two consecutive terms, he did not run in 2008, the same year presidential terms were extended from four years to six years. Putin won 63.6 percent of the vote in 2012, and, if the early results are confirmed, he will now stay in his post until 2024, the year he turns 72.

Arrby

Thanks for that.
“Putin was first elected to the Kremlin in 2000, and again four years later. Constitutionally barred from serving more than two consecutive terms, he did not run in 2008, the same year presidential terms were extended from four years to six years.” That was dodgy. But, Compared with the bloodspilling monsters that the West tosses up in our captured electoral systems, it’s piddly and probably, in important respects, good.

vierotchka

Excerpt:
Vladimir Putin is making an address in his electoral campaign headquarters. Putin leads the elections with some 75.5 percent of the vote, according to preliminary results.
Vladimir Putin expressed gratitude to all his supporters and voters, stating that the election results clearly indicate that the people support his political course, despite the hard times Russia recently went through.
https://www.rt.com/news/421645-putin-kremlin-election-speech/

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