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State-funded BBC lets Boris Johnson claim of Russia “stockpiling novichok” go unchallenged while UK govt’s Skripal “drama” continues to defy sense & reason

Boris Johnson is given free rein to talk nonsense by state-funded Andrew Marr on state-funded BBC

The Russian election is rolling on, so far with no major hitches, and maybe even less than the expected level of Western sniping. Ghouta continues to be liberated, and so far the predictions of a chemical weapons false flag to justify NATO cruise missile attacks on Damascus have not come about. For the sake of global survival we have to hope that continues.

Meanwhile the Skripal case is exposed more and more as a poorly executed, ragged and ridiculous piece of political theatre.

The name “novichok” was very possibly grabbed from a Sky TV drama aired earlier this year.

In the TV show novichok is presented as a secret and deadly and exclusively Russian nerve agent, and this is indeed the way May presented it in Parliament. Her research team possibly didn’t bother to look any further, and this is why, when the truth about real-life novichoks emerged, the government was left floundering.

Risible of course, but currently not completely impossible.

Rather than acknowledging the dismal and embarrassing failure of their narrative the UK government, in the person of Boris Johnson, is apparently doubling down and telling fresh and even more extraordinary stories. On the state-funded BBC’s Andrew Marr show today, Johnson talked parallel-universe nonsense for 20 minutes, completely unchallenged by state-funded Marr of course, who simply let him say whatever he felt like saying, in the grand tradition of state-funded BBC complicity in state-level deceit. Johnson’s brand of weasel-words and lies by omission and commission was in the best tradition of “perfidious Albion”, even going so far as to allege at one point:

We actually have evidence within the last 10 years that Russia has not only been investigating the delivery of nerve agents for the purpose of assassination, but has also been creating and stockpiling novichok.

A claim that flies in the face of every known fact, including a) that Russia’s entire stockpile of chemical weapons was verified as destroyed last year by the OPCW, and that novichoks had never been considered viable or manufactured anywhere prior to an alleged OPCW-observed succesful atempt to do so by Iran in 2016.

The government’s rhetoric is currently so deranged, its conduct by turns so delusional and so furtive, while the basic facts of what happened to the Skripals remain so contradictory, it’s legitimate at this stage to wonder how real any of this “drama” actually is.

And what the endgame here can possibly be.


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  1. With regard to the BBC, for me the writing was on the wall when the BBC World Service (the government’s overseas propaganda unit) ceased to be funded by the Foreign Office and was bundled in with national TV and Radio, to be funded by the licence payer.

    Suddenly all pretence that our domestic broadcaster was independent and totally separate from any influence by HMG went out of the window,




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  2. Ivan says

    It is unbelievable what happens on the Independent site since last night.

    Most of the comments which were skeptical about the Skripal affair or supporting Russia got erased without any reason, leaving mostly comments denigrating the Russian state and its people.

    for example here:
    https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/russia-election-latest-putin-victory-skripal-attack-link-increase-citizen-turnout-uk-salisbury-spy-a8262996.html

    My feeling unfortunately is that such things, this wave of libel and smear, is a precursor to a war which will be opened by the US “allied” with EU, probably against Syria, then gradually hitting Russian forces there as well.




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  3. MichaelK says

    Think what this says about our mass-media, that with all their resources, thousands of journalists, always so dedicated and bustling to provide us with the latest news and views, that it’s up to Craig Murray to put them all to shame by asking the right questions, which demolishes the entire foundation for this absurd piece of crass and very nasty political theatre.

    There’s an awful puff piece in the Guardian about Cathy Newman from Channel Four News and reading it one senses that both of the journalists live in comfortable fantasy world, where they are intrepid and fearless professionals striving to present the Truth to an eager public. The News is something precious and holy for them and facts are jewels they mine with their sweat.

    Yet Cathy, an Amazon princess of journalism, can’t ask a single, simple, relevant question about this transparently pathetic piece of nonsense coming out of Salisbury… shameful and grotesque.




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    • milosevic says

      Think what this says about our mass-media, that with all their resources, thousands of journalists, always so dedicated and bustling to provide us with the latest news and views,

      The Big Lie doesn’t come cheap. The Mighty Wurlitzer wouldn’t wurlitz the way it does, if it weren’t mightily well-funded.

      that it’s up to Craig Murray to put them all to shame by asking the right questions, which demolishes the entire foundation for this absurd piece of crass and very nasty political theatre.

      And yet the Spectacle continues, undiminished and unimpeded, as if it hadn’t even noticed the demolition of its entire foundation. (Much like it survived, undiminished, the demolitions of 9/11/2001.)

      Think what this says about the Spectacle’s highly trained Audience. Only experts in Reality Control could successfully maintain their suspension of disbelief, under such extremely adverse and trying conditions.




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  4. MichaelK says

    There are so many obvious, simple and important questions about this strange affair in Salisbury and Boris Johnson’s latest extraordinary performance on the Andrew Marr Show, yet, it’s hard to find a single journalist employed within our ‘free and independent’ and ‘non-propaganda’ mainstream media, that are asking any of them.

    It’s left to Craig Murray to ask the obvious questions and take apart the absurd version of events presented by the government. How does such mind-numbing uniformity come to exist? Why do the journalists agree with the government about so much? It can’t be because the ‘facts’ are so obvious, because clearly they are not. Whatever happened to this ‘spectrum of views’ idea that our media is supposed to eagerly reflect?

    Why on earth would the Russians use such a clumsy and easily traced chemical weapon to carry out the assassination of such a minor and uninteresting, useless, ex-spy? So they spend a fortune developing a secret facility to produce chemical weapons and hand them to their network of assassins, but then decide to ‘reveal’ this costly secret in order to attack one old, clapped-out spy in Salisbury! Come on, this is ridiculous! So, the dastardly Russians are smart enough to create these weapons under our noses, but not smart enough to hide the trail back to the Kremlin and Putin!

    This entire affair… stinks and seem to be a carefully arranged provocation using a dramatic narrative copied from a second-rate tv show. So this is how WW3 begins, how droll!




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    • milosevic says

      How does such mind-numbing uniformity come to exist? Why do the journalists agree with the government about so much? It can’t be because the ‘facts’ are so obvious, because clearly they are not. Whatever happened to this ‘spectrum of views’ idea that our media is supposed to eagerly reflect?

      “It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his salary depends upon his not understanding it.” — Upton Sinclair




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      • MichaelK says

        Point taken, but this is the slide towards war with Russia after all. Money doesn’t mean much if you’re a pile ash, does it? Don’t these people think, at all, ever?




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        • milosevic says

          They’re no longer capable of thinking, in the normal sense, if they ever were. They’ve reached their exalted positions in the ruling class Establishment because they’re carefully trained themselves, probably since highschool, or earlier, to think only the kind of thoughts that will advance the interests of the ruling class, and their own careers in service to it.

          George Orwell explains how it’s done: “To know and not to know, to be conscious of complete truthfulness while telling carefully constructed lies, to hold simultaneously two opinions which cancelled out, knowing them to be contradictory and believing in both of them, to use logic against logic, to repudiate morality while laying claim to it, to believe that democracy was impossible and that the Party was the guardian of democracy, to forget whatever it was necessary to forget, then to draw it back into memory again at the moment when it was needed, and then promptly to forget it again: and above all, to apply the same process to the process itself. That was the ultimate subtlety: consciously to induce unconsciousness, and then, once again, to become unconscious of the act of hypnosis you had just performed.”

          As you said above, they “live in a comfortable fantasy world”, where truth is whatever sustains the fantasy, and falsehood whatever threatens to collapse it. They no longer believe in physical reality; nobody who did could swallow the WTC-7 demolition, or convince themselves that it was not important enough to care about. If they paid attention to that kind of thing, or the unimportant details of the Skripal psyop, the comfortable fantasy would collapse pretty quickly, along with their careers. They’re conscious of this fact, because they know not to ask any relevant questions, and yet they’re almost simultaneously unconscious of it, because if they knew they were lying, they couldn’t project the requisite aura of truthiness and gravitas to be the frontpersons for the highbrow media. Conscious liars are relegated to the lowbrow media, where their inferior presentation merits correspondingly inferior material compensation.




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    • Orwell called it Crimestop.
      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thoughtcrime

      “Crimestop” means to rid oneself of unwanted thoughts immediately, i.e., thoughts that interfere or disagree with the ideology of the Party. This way, a person avoids committing thoughtcrime.

      In the novel, we hear about crimestop through the eyes of protagonist Winston Smith:

      The mind should develop a blind spot whenever a dangerous thought presented itself. The process should be automatic, instinctive. Crimestop, they called it in Newspeak.

      He set to work to exercise himself in crimestop. He presented himself with propositions—’the Party says the earth is flat’, ‘the party says that ice is heavier than water’—and trained himself in not seeing or not understanding the arguments that contradicted them.

      Orwell also describes crimestop from the perspective of Emmanuel Goldstein in the book The Theory and Practice of Oligarchical Collectivism:

      Crimestop means the faculty of stopping short, as though by instinct, at the threshold of any dangerous thought. It includes the power of not grasping analogies, of failing to perceive logical errors, of misunderstanding the simplest arguments if they are inimical to Ingsoc, and of being bored or repelled by any train of thought which is capable of leading in a heretical direction. Crimestop, in short, means protective stupidity.

      Also see Edward Curtin’s article, Denying the Obvious: Leftists and Crimestop
      https://off-guardian.org/2018/02/09/denying-the-obvious-leftists-and-crimestop/




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  5. So can anyone explain? The lack of confirmation of hospital is exactly the same problem as in the Seth Rich death hoax. And in each case, the maligned side obviously knows it’s a hoax but doesn’t call it out. (In the Rich hoax, it’s the Democrats). Even when you look at 9/11 both Pakistan and Saudi Arabia were actually involved and millions of Muslims know it was an inside job but how many are calling it out? None that I can see.

    It’s all a game at the top. I just don’t get it.




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    • milosevic says

      the Seth Rich death hoax

      What do you mean by “hoax”? He didn’t die? He’s not the actual source of the “Russian hackers” leak? Or the Democratic Party apparatus and the “deep state” had nothing to do with it? What would be your evidence for that?

      in each case, the maligned side obviously knows it’s a hoax but doesn’t call it out. Even when you look at 9/11 both Pakistan and Saudi Arabia were actually involved

      That’s what’s called a “limited hangout”; it’s the backup plan when the Official Story starts visibly collapsing, so that people now imagine that they’ve discovered the formerly-secret “truth”, and cease any further inquiry.

      Following the assumption that the simplest explanation consistent with the available evidence is most likely to be correct, you might conclude that for three out of four airplanes, there were no hijackers at all. The passengers and flight crews were simply gassed after take-off, as with the Moscow theatre terrorists, and the planes were then flown by autopilot to their targets. On one plane, CIA or Mossad contractors, posing as radical Islamic terrorists, were deliberately inserted, specifically to generate the panicked phone calls from the passengers on which the entire Official Story depends. Something then went wrong with the plan, and the plane either crashed or was shot down, causing it to miss its appointment with WTC-7, leading to much future embarrassment.

      See how much simpler and more reliable that is?

      millions of Muslims know it was an inside job but how many are calling it out? None that I can see.

      In Moslem-majority countries, the idea that 9/11 was a US government operation is just taken for granted. It doesn’t require any public discussion, because everybody already knows.

      In Western countries, most of the Moslem minority population, at least those still in contact with their societies of origin, are fully clued in, but are already experiencing sufficient racist backlash, both official and unofficial, that they do not wish to exacerbate their problems by publically denouncing the foundational myth around which those cultures are now organized.

      That task would properly be the responsibility of the ethnic-majority Left, but aside from a few individuals, visible in forums such as this, they seem to be missing in action. After all, if they were to educate themselves about subjects on which they would rather remain ignorant, they might then feel compelled to say something, in a moment of weakness. Then the government and “philanthropic” grants on which their comfy middle-class NGO careers depend, would dry up, and their left-liberal friends would call them “Conspiracy Theorists”, and stop coming around.

      Everybody’s got priorities.




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      • By Seth Rich death hoax I do mean he didn’t die. This two-minute video of a family interview (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LOn09bhDXMo) taken 3 days after the alleged death shows the father starting to mouth the mother’s words as the camera pans from him to her (clearly indicating scripting and also a sign they’re TELLING us it’s a hoax, that is, the “revelation of the method (ROV)” they are obliged to employ), the brother swallowing his smiles (also ROV), zero signs of anyone of grieving (ROV), platitudes and dead giveaway, the black and white Masonic panda (ROV). This is a link to a website of a Mason (seemingly just a normal Mason who’s not into the high-level stuff) recommending the movie, Kung Fu Panda, to other Masons and their children because of all the Masonic references https://www.myfreemasonry.com/threads/kung-fu-panda-the-mysteries.2085/

        I’m not sure what you mean by your explanation of 9/11. We’re both agreed it was a false flag where people died, right? I’m not suggesting that it was a hoax, although even in the case of 9/11, it seems that not as many people died as stated – who’s died since makes up millionsfold so it’s immaterial really but it’s interesting that they manage to put some element of hoax into the number who died too. http://www.septemberclues.info/vicsims_photo-analyses.shtml (The article suggests all the deaths may have been staged but that’s silly as a number of people were wanted dead. See Jeremy Rys’s film on who was in the building, who wasn’t and where they were. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n_fp5kaVYhk




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          • I wouldn’t say that at all. As I say, there’s a similarity between the Seth Rich death hoax and this one: that there is no confirmation of the hospital and if everyone recognised SR as a hoax there wouldn’t have to be any discussion about it, I’d just refer to it, but people don’t. They seem to be incredibly resistant to the idea for some reason even though the 2-min video makes it very, very clear and indicates that in no shape or form could it fit “real event” – no shape or form. It seems we all have our level of hoaxery recognition – I’m sure I have my own but it seems to be on the higher end. These events should be viewed in the massive context in which they appear, not as isolated or even simply as part of a wider let’s-go-to-war-with-Russia-thing – the context is so much bigger than that. Seth Rich and Skripal are connected, they’re not individual events that happen to have a partly similar MO. Come off it.

            The more important similarity (prompted to me by the hospital similarity) is that it is obvious that the maligned side (Democrats, Russians) KNOW that it’s a hoax and yet don’t speak out. The Russian ambassador indicates by his jocular reference to Poirot that he KNOWS it’s a hoax and yet he doesn’t actually come out and say it, nor does Putin. Even without the jocular reference we know they know it’s a hoax.

            So to my mind all that can fit this event is exactly the conclusion of this post on the Masonic analysis about it being part of an completely-engineered very grand NWO plan – https://steemit.com/conspiracy/@lavater/sergei-skripal-poisoned-russian-spy-masonic-hoax-33-and-777-coded. If anyone else can come up with a better explanation that fits the facts, please do. For it to be anything else, surely we have to accept that the Russians don’t know it’s a hoax and they obviously will. Everyone does, even The Sun and the Daily Mail readers so the Russians should feel perfectly comfortable coming out and saying it – and here in the DM we see them saying they suspect UK intel – so they’re almost saying it but not quite. And it’s the not quite bit that’s quite important.
            http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5467255/UK-intelligence-group-poisoned-spy-Russian-paper-claims.html

            If you really want to go down the rabbit-hole into NWO plans just google “decoding The Economist cover”. I just watched this video in Spanish which I don’t understand but I could understand to a degree because of the visuals – fascinating. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V4gTC7O6TNs




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  6. Alan says

    Although I don’t speak Russian doesn’t Novichok just mean something new?, therefore usage in a drama is unremarkable. No doubt children in the future will be taught how Vladimir Putin developed and administered this nerve agent whilst disguised as an ice cream cone. As for Mr Marr, he’s a television presenter acting the role of an interviewer within a television show. In other words, pure theatre.




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    • It’s interesting that Tyler asks when wondering about the lack of confirmation of their whereabouts the question, Do they even exist? because when I saw dad was 66 and daughter was 33 I thought “You’ve got to be kidding me,” and wondered exactly the same thing. 33 is THE Masonic number while all multiples of 11 are significant – 9/11, JFK assassination 22/11.




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      • This prompts me to really wonder. If the Skripals don’t really exist – or even if they do – Russia knows this is a ludicrous false flag hoax so why don’t they call it out? The Poirot reference is a bit of a giveaway. The Dutch former high-finance operative turned whistleblower, Ronald Bernard, has said that at the very top there’s no distinction. They’re all in it together. Here’s an image taken secretly of Putin, Bush and Chinese president at a Masonic gathering. https://archive.org/details/bush_putin_china_prez




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          • Oh dear, another clanger I’ve made. However, according to the person linked to in my comment below, Putin is nevertheless a Mason, there is massive Masonic symbolism in this event and it really makes no sense for Russia not to call this out, does there, unless they’re somehow in on it? The Hegelian Dialectic “Two conflicting sides to reach a predefined conclusion, is what they always use to reach their common objective: The NWO,” makes more sense than any alternatives, no?




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            • milosevic says

              On that theory, explain why the Russian military has spent the last two years, and over a hundred lives, saving Syria from the drooling psychopaths that the NWO sent to destroy it.




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              • Milosevic, my knowledge of these matters is very limited so I cannot answer your question, but the simple facts are that this event was staged and so was SR’s death and the maligned sides know and don’t call them out … or not completely … I mean you could say the Russians do by referring to Poirot and saying they think it’s UK intel because, of course, it was but they don’t actually say the word “hoax”. There’s false flag hoaxes all over the show, including the train bombing in St Petersburg last year (https://nodisinfo.com/smoke-bombs-used-fake-terror-attack-st-petersburg-subway-bombing-hoax/) and they tend to have the same MO and they all use Masonic symbology. No side never calls the other out. Ever. They can’t because they all do it but it seems, more than that, they’re all in on it somehow or perhaps they play their own little game where they surprise each other. Perhaps the Dems didn’t know about SR till it actually happened and got caught out. They would have recognised instantly though that it was a hoax if they didn’t know in advance. I do find it a puzzle, a real puzzle but I think the hypothesis of a tiny power elite with a NWO agenda seems to fit pretty well.




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  7. It almost seems to me that the power elite are rubbing their mockery so much in our faces that they really do want us to know. I thought I’d check out The Sun as it tends to really go for it with the false-flag hoaxes (here’s a priceless example for the Manchester bombing – https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/3671647/harrowing-footage-shot-by-dad-searching-for-teen-daughter-in-manchester-arena-moments-after-bomb-blast/) but this article (https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/5840249/nerve-agent-novichok-sergei-skripal-car-russia-spy/) didn’t seem particularly more silly – it would be hard now, wouldn’t it? What surprised me was that every single comment made fun and they’re quite hilarious. I love the names of some of the commenters: Colonel Mustard, Whoflungdung, Baron Stephen Von Reichenbach.




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    • Seriously, I think they really are trying to tell us. Why would they report the Russian ambassador having a Poirot dig? Surely, people are simply forced to laugh along with it. It’s weird – all the Russiaphobic stuff and then a joke from the Russians that can only make you sympathise with them. Funnily enough, when you google “skripal” “poirot” site:.ru, there’s only one response and it’s an article in French. No doubt the UK Russian ambassador is in on it, too. Maybe he complained the Russiaphobia was simply too much and it needed to be lightened a little with his little joke that could only draw sympathetic response.




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      • Kathy says

        I have heard it said that they do have to tell us. It,s up to us if we take notice. That is why we are meant to be sleep walking and not properly awake.




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        • Kathy says

          All the world’s a stage,
          And all the men and women merely players;
          They have their exits and their entrances,
          And one man in his time plays many parts,
          His acts being seven ages. At first, the infant,
          Mewling and puking in the nurse’s arms.
          Then the whining schoolboy, with his satchel
          And shining morning face, creeping like snail
          Unwillingly to school. And then the lover,
          Sighing like furnace, with a woeful ballad
          Made to his mistress’ eyebrow. Then a soldier,
          Full of strange oaths and bearded like the pard,
          Jealous in honor, sudden and quick in quarrel,
          Seeking the bubble reputation
          Even in the cannon’s mouth. And then the justice,
          In fair round belly with good capon lined,
          With eyes severe and beard of formal cut,
          Full of wise saws and modern instances;
          And so he plays his part. The sixth age shifts
          Into the lean and slippered pantaloon,
          With spectacles on nose and pouch on side;
          His youthful hose, well saved, a world too wide
          For his shrunk shank, and his big manly voice,
          Turning again toward childish treble, pipes
          And whistles in his sound. Last scene of all,
          That ends this strange eventful history,
          Is second childishness and mere oblivion,
          Sans teeth, sans eyes, sans taste, sans everything.




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        • Yes, they do have to tell us. It’s called “revelation of the method”. The staged event analyst, Ole Dammegard, was told by an insider that they justify their evil deeds by telling us with clues, things that don’t add up, numbers and symbols, contradictions, impossibilities, ridiculousness, multiple changes in story, “leaked” candid footage, etc.

          Here is a Masonic analysis of the event starting with an image of an orange bag and a builder’s bucket (words are coded using an ancient method, Gematria, and “orange” codes to 33)
          https://steemit.com/conspiracy/@lavater/sergei-skripal-poisoned-russian-spy-masonic-hoax-33-and-777-coded

          As I stated in an earlier comment the Russians know and there shouldn’t be anything stopping them exposing it and the ambassador’s comment about Poirot surely means he’s part of it. This is the conclusion of the analysis.

          An Order Out of Chaos PsyOp aimed at increasing the Tyranny in the UK (increased “Security”) and programming the masses into hating Russia & Putin (who of course has already been blamed) in preparation for WW3.
          Why doesn’t Putin expose these hoaxes? because he’s part of the charade (member of Freemason Lodge Golden Eurasia) and it takes 2 sides to tango in a War. The Hegelian Dialectic, 2 conflicting sides to reach a predefined conclusion, is what they always use to reach their common objective: The NWO.




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  8. shaksvshav says

    The FCO had a post on twitter berating Russia for taking 10 years to get rid of chemical weapons (no mention of the USA or Israel, of course). Now Boris says they never got rid of them. They need to get their propaganda straight.




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  9. MichaelK says

    Corbyn isn’t some radical socialist as far as I can see. He’s more a traditional, middle-of-the-road… social democrat with a slightly left of centre political agenda. That the entire political spectrum has lurched dramatically to the political right over the last few decades, especially inside parliament, which is massively unrepresentative, is the only thing that makes Corbyn appear ‘radical.’




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  10. bevin says

    Perhaps the purpose of this hysteria is not to ‘prepare the public’ for an attack on Syria but to distract the public from the reality that any direct attack on Syria will lead to an immediate response by Russia.

    If Russia has indeed told the US that, if any missiles are launched against Damascus, it will sink the ships that launched them then there will either be a crisis bigger by far than the Cuban Missile Crisis or an immediate nuclear war.
    If that is the game being played then the idiotic tantrums being performed around Skrival’s case are a small price to pay for a deliberate distraction from the end of US hegemony in the Middle East.

    I have no more idea of whether this is the situation than my new puppy has but it is a real possibility.

    If the US and NATO have to retreat from southern and western Syria with nothing more to feel happy about than the fact that their actions have ruined millions of lives, caused billions of damage and further hardened the wahhabi warlords and their bandit gangs, (whose natural next move is to move into the fat and undefended pastures of the EU), that is the sort of victory those who take on a critically wounded empire win.




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    • mog says

      I increasingly think that those things can only be answered by considering religious questions.
      How much of the Neocons’ motivation comes from straightforward greed for resources, markets or monetary dominance, and how much from a religious ideology interpretted from the Old Testament ?




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        • mog says

          Fair enough.
          I have been trying to form an opinion for many years, and still haven’t.
          The pursuit of material wealth beyond a certain point seems to be driven by a craving for power.
          What is the principle of ‘power’ ? I guess that leads into metaphysics…




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          • Agreed. Some random thoughts:

            Maybe the craving for money and power shows that at root it’s a sociopathic/psychopathic insecurity. The inability to just “be” in the present arises from the fear of what that really entails – becoming conscious of and integrating repressed traumatic material.

            It’s not so much that these seemingly hyper-ambitious types are pursuing something as they are running away from something. The big problem is that our culture actively promotes this kind of self-avoidance.




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            • Paul Downey says

              “the inability to just “be””. 40 years ago somebody suggested to me that human beings had all died out in W . Europe, to be replaced by human doings. That seemed to answer a question I’d had for some time ….It might prove a useful reflection for some here.




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  11. mog says

    As far as I am concerned, the Tories have won this.
    Corbyn and McDonnell, Sturgeon and Lucas, the whole sorry racist lot of them have zero credibility and deserve all the defeat that comes their way.
    This has been a loyalty test, nothing more. The option was either to unquestioningly believe the completely unfounded statements of the Tory government or to stand up for reason, truth and the principles of justice that underscore what little is good about our society. They have bowed to the hysteria of a brainwashed, facebooked public and a psychopathic brainwashing media.
    These politicians are traitors to peace and any sense of common humanity.
    Even if the Russian state is ultimately proved beyond doubt to be solely culpable for what (if anything?) went on in Salisbury, I would still claim the above. Once those principles are thrown out, it’s darn near impossible to get them back. It is unforgivable.




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    • milosevic says

      This has been a loyalty test, nothing more. The option was either to unquestioningly believe the completely unfounded statements of the Tory government or to stand up for reason, truth and the principles of justice that underscore what little is good about our society. They have bowed to the hysteria of a brainwashed, facebooked public and a psychopathic brainwashing media.

      You could, of course, say the same thing about the even more obviously manufactured 9/11 event. That was the litmus test of all litmus tests for anybody claiming to be an opponent of the Anglo-Zionist Empire.

      Once that test had been spectacularly failed, say by the date of the original Iraq invasion in March 2003, the slide down the slippery slope became essentially unstoppable for all those who had been thereby revealed as fake-left poseurs.

      And now here we are. Colour me completely unsurprised.




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      • mog says

        I totally agree milosevic.
        The course was set back then, this is the destination.
        I think that our slide (in the UK) into totalitarianism and war is now inevitable, short of some hugely unpredicable outside intervention.
        I guess that I harboured some vague hope that someone in the political-media establishment might be awake to the idea of false flags enough to actually demand standard levels of skepticism about Salisbury (perhaps even private 9/11 skeptics ?) – but this seems idealistic twaddle now.




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    • shaksvshav says

      “Supine protoplasmic invertebrate jellies”, to use one of Boris’ favourite phrases.




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  12. Guest says

    What gets me about the comments in the guardian regarding the Russian government. Is the condescending attitude on display
    This is coupled with the complete lack of self awareness about their own countries political system.
    The uk government sells arms to oppressive regimes that end up in the hands of terrorists
    They then turn a blind eye to the activity of the gulf monarchies who fund jihadi terrorism.
    They knowingly support regime change destroying countries creating refugees

    What has Russia done that could match that?




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  13. “The Russian election is rolling on, so far with no major hitches, and maybe even less than the expected level of Western sniping.” I haven’t looked around in the major media (which I don’t do at all really) since Putin’s expected win, but I did pop into the Toronto Star. It’s awful on anything dealing with politics and foreign policy. And that’s putting it mildly. Putin’s win elicited some typical racist ranting that the ruined Star was happy to spew at its readers: “Russia extends Vladimir Putin’s power for six more years in barely democratic election” by Vladimir Isachenkov and Jim Heintz (The Associated Press)




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    • Published on 18 Mar 2018

      Incumbent Russian leader Vladimir Putin is set to secure a resounding victory in the Russian presidential election, according to partial results made public by the electoral commission.

      With 31 percent of the votes counted, mostly in eastern part of the country, Vladimir Putin leads with 73 percent of the vote, well above the simple majority needed to avoid a run-off.

      First-time Communist Party candidate Pavel Grudinin is running second with 15 percent, while veteran nationalist politician Vladimir Zhirinovsky, who first ran against Boris Yeltsin in 1991, rounds out the top three with about seven percent.

      None of the other five candidates is on track to receive more than two percent of the vote.

      The early results are in line with exit-polls conducted by Russian polling agencies FOM, which predicted Putin would take 77 percent of the vote, and VCIOM, which forecast a final share of 73.9 percent for the current president.

      Ella Pamfilova, head of the Russian Central Election Commission, has said that there were no major violations during the vote, and that only “minor and local complaints” were received.

      Vladimir Putin is widely expected to address his supporters at a massive anniversary rally in Moscow’s Red Square, dedicated to Crimea voting to become a part of Russia four years ago.

      Putin was first elected to the Kremlin in 2000, and again four years later. Constitutionally barred from serving more than two consecutive terms, he did not run in 2008, the same year presidential terms were extended from four years to six years. Putin won 63.6 percent of the vote in 2012, and, if the early results are confirmed, he will now stay in his post until 2024, the year he turns 72.




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      • Thanks for that.

        “Putin was first elected to the Kremlin in 2000, and again four years later. Constitutionally barred from serving more than two consecutive terms, he did not run in 2008, the same year presidential terms were extended from four years to six years.” That was dodgy. But, Compared with the bloodspilling monsters that the West tosses up in our captured electoral systems, it’s piddly and probably, in important respects, good.




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    • Excerpt:

      Vladimir Putin is making an address in his electoral campaign headquarters. Putin leads the elections with some 75.5 percent of the vote, according to preliminary results.

      Vladimir Putin expressed gratitude to all his supporters and voters, stating that the election results clearly indicate that the people support his political course, despite the hard times Russia recently went through.

      https://www.rt.com/news/421645-putin-kremlin-election-speech/




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  14. Jonj says

    If in the car aircon..
    .they would have tried to brush it away….would have sneezed breathing it in even more surely it would act very quickly…residue on clothes….car interior…..in restaurant where put coats scarves etc…..




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  15. Idiocy is the new normal in both the U.S. and the U.K. Can the majority of Western people’s really believe the nonsense being spewed out by media and government spokesperson’s? This is the same old “Operation Gladio” style false flag operation that was used to demonize the left in Europe for decades. Operation Gladio should have led to the conviction and imprisonment of NATO, CIA and other Western intelligence leaders, as well as heads of state given the scores of deaths of innocent European civilians it produced. Instead the MSM pretend Operation Gladio never happened, history repeats itself before our eyes, and the public is left believing in totally fabricated events used to demonize the current “enemy” all disconnected from anything resembling physical reality. So what’s new one might ask? This bit of Western propaganda crazy is as old as the Holy Inquisition and the Crusades.




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    • milosevic says

      I keep posting this. Let me know when you think it’s no longer relevant.

      His mind slid away into the labyrinthine world of doublethink. To know and not to know, to be conscious of complete truthfulness while telling carefully constructed lies, to hold simultaneously two opinions which cancelled out, knowing them to be contradictory and believing in both of them, to use logic against logic, to repudiate morality while laying claim to it, to believe that democracy was impossible and that the Party was the guardian of democracy, to forget whatever it was necessary to forget, then to draw it back into memory again at the moment when it was needed, and then promptly to forget it again: and above all, to apply the same process to the process itself. That was the ultimate subtlety: consciously to induce unconsciousness, and then, once again, to become unconscious of the act of hypnosis you had just performed. Even to understand the word ‘doublethink’ involved the use of doublethink.

      — George Orwell, 1984




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        I read that book for the first time just two years ago.
        It took me weeks to get over it.
        How could he describe so well the world I am living in, several decades before its devolution?




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  16. The longer it goes on, the more it looks like an orchestrated false flag operation designed to demonise Russia, Putin and any dissenters in he West.
    The question is, to what end?
    Syria and Iran?




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    • Sav says

      My first thoughts were on Syria. The West looks screwed as they have been outplayed. So to soften the public for a direct attack on Damascus?

      But it’s also played out to demonise Corbyn. But that may be incidental.




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    • LostForWords says

      This whole story has looked like 100% fake news from the outset.

      The problem is certain politicians and our corporate media distort language and this causes the inattentive to actually believe in the impossible.

      For example, what is really meant by Hillary Clinton’s assertion that Russia “hacked” the American elections. I would consider hacking the American election to require that Russia used some kind of technology causing a miscount of the votes. However the voting machines were not even connected to the internet in any way that would have allowed Russia to alter the count. It is said that someone in Russia hacked some of the electoral roles of voters but this suggests they may have actually altered details in some way to deny people a vote. In reality, only read only copies of any registers were hacked so it never impacted anyone’s ability to cast votes.

      What is now becoming accepted as evidence that Russia “hacked” the American elections, is that RT published some true stories about Hillary Clinton that made voters doubt Hillary had their true interests at heart. This is very far from what I would consider “hacking”! It is instead what I would call good healthy journalism.

      The story of Russia interfering in the US election has continued relentlessly since 2016. Endless investigations and allegations are made but the best thing we can hope for is the story will eventual fade away from the news front pages. I can’t imagine the US deep state openly acknowledging their defeat in this matter. There will be no closure or just end to these allegations.

      I feel the alleged Russian novichok assassination story is going to go just the same way as “hacking the US election”. Only inconclusive evidence will ever be revealed but our press and politicians will seize on it claiming it to be incontestable proof. This issue will never get resolved but will instead fade painfully slowly from the limelight.




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      • OMG says

        Recently, someone at the OG linked to a German spoof (with photo) showing that Putin’s passport had been found at the scene, ‘hidden under a leaf’.

        I sent it to a friend who believes all of the tosh with the comment “looks like you were eight about Putin after all”.

        His reply: “The really interesting thing is that Putin wanted it to be clear it was him. Presumably this is to strike fear in the hearts of anyone who has angered him.”

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      • George Cornell says

        Unable to accept the fact that their minion poodle, the Goldman candidate, lost the election to a virtually unelectable fool, the MSM and those who control it have gone into the abyss.

        So first it was the ridiculous electoral college system. Then seamlessly transitioning from the preelection slander of Sanders and Trump, they ramped up the preelection diet of 6 anti Trump articles per day per paper into editions having no news but anti Trump news.

        Having gotten nowhere they return to the old theme – that the odious harridan did not actually lose, but was cheated by those nasty Russkies, without whom she would be flying in Air Force One, on her way to supervise regime change in any imagined enemy of Israel, practising the endearing chortle she graced us with, when Gaddafi was sodomised and murdered.

        Now that donations to the fraudulent Clinton Foundation have desiccated, what is there for Hillary to do? I suppose she could pull out her old photos taken with Goldwater and dream that her offspring will somehow get her a double discounted fare on that same plane.




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          the endearing chortle she graced us with, when Gaddafi was sodomised and murdered




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    • eddie says

      Syria and Iran, or maybe Easter Island.
      Doesn’t matter, really, as long as the MIC keeps providing a robust portfolio to its 1%-ers, whose profits are imperative.
      Viet Nam got them hooked; the profits far out-weighed the ‘collateral damage’, and so it goes..




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  17. LostForWords says

    I was driving to pick up some firewood at around 2 PM today (Sunday) and heard a local radio (sorry not sure of the station) news story that announced the novichok was delivered to the victims as a powder that had been introduced to the air conditioning unit of the Skripal’s BMW.
    I got home and around 4-30 PM I looked for the story on line. BBC news, Guardian, Independent and RT were not running with this story.
    It is doubtful local radio station would make this kind of thing up without somebody officially giving them the story.
    I wonder why this announcement was only available on local radio?




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        So the car would have to have been undetectably broken into and the air con spiked with novichok the night before?




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          This scenario is nothing like the old days of the USSR with the assassination by poison pellet from a specially made air-gun disguised as an umbrella.
          The poison pellet was highly targeted and discreet.
          By contrast poisoning the BMW car would likely contaminate anyone recovering it which would cause massive public outrage towards Russia.
          However a car makes such a convenient crime scene for investigators.
          A closed environment unlikely to have been disturbed since the Skripals left the car.
          Easy to move to a secure location.
          Maybe the FSB left some convenient ID in the glove box?
          I will be interested to see if the samples given to OPCW are taken directly from the Skripals spinal fluid or from the BMW’s pollen filter?




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    • Sav says

      Badly maintained AC systems can also create their own toxins and make you violently ill. Having A/C on with exhaust leaks can even kill you.




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      • LostForWords says

        Thomas Peterson’s observation that the BMW would have to have been secretly interfered with is just one issue but there are other problems with the story too.
        My feeling is that a good lung full of novichok blasted from a BMW’s air-con would cause the Skripal’s immediate difficulty in completing their car journey.
        It is hard to imagine how afterwards they parked the car, got a car park ticket, enjoyed a meal, downed a couple of pints at a local pub and then wondered about Salisbury on a window shopping amble, all after being contaminated with the worlds most toxic nerve agent?
        I’m sure Boris can explain how the toxic dust is made from micro bubbles that dissolve in the lungs and release the toxin only after a couple of hours.




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        • Lung delivery is described as the way to ensure fastest nerve agent action. Through the skin is described as 30-40 minutes.

          Aircon blowing on face would be consistent, but it again sounds nonsense unless the Russians want to be caught, saying ‘See what we can do.’

          The problem is no career derailing sanctions for lying politicians, lying scribblers and editors and misinforming intelligence officers.




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          And wouldnt the people breaking into the car and spiking it with novichok have to be wearing protective gear themselves?




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  18. bevin says

    Mike Whitney is always good-he seems to have been dropped by counterpunch-
    https://russia-insider.com/en/will-deep-state-launch-false-flag-syria-russias-election-day/ri22817?
    If that link doesn’t work go to Russian Insider.
    As I said below, I get the feeling that the Novichko story was meant to be bumped out of the news agenda by something really big. It quickly served its primary purpose: to embarrass Corbyn and keep the Blairites blaring out their calls for war on the master’s behalf. Miniature Poodles just aren’t happy unless they are in bouncing around in daddy’s lap.




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      Whitney’s still available at Unz. com. Unfortunately, CounterPunch has ceased to be a reliable source. A lot of their better authors have been dropped, including Israel Shamir, Linh Dinh and Bouthaina Shabaan. The website’s illustrious founder, Alexander Cockburn, died a few years ago, and his successor, Jeffrey St. Clair, just isn’t the same.




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      • bevin says

        It looks like a straight swap: Mike Whitney for Louis Proyect who sees the siege of East Ghoutta as another Leningrad. Mind you he probably sees himself as another Lenin.




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        • witters says

          Sad, but true. And Louis Proyect, oy! I think the Great Decline was most clearly marked with Andrew Levine’s endless essays on how Trump would never ever ever be elected in the US. That was his special insight, his real connection to the “American people,” and absolute political tosh.




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      • I had my own bad experience with Jeffrey St. Clair and blogged about it. It wasn’t anything earth-shattering. I pointed out that a link on his site had been hijacked and he insulted me. What a class act!




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  19. MichaelK says

    The Tories were in desperate straights until the Cossak cavalry came riding over the horizon to save them, and I suspect desperate measures where deemed necessary.

    Luke Harding basically makes a living writing crime fiction involving spies and Russians. It’s a fictional narrative tarted-up as journalism. The British press absolutely adore this kind of stuff and so do the public. I’m waiting for Inspector Barnaby to turn up in Salisbury dragging young Morse behind him.

    The trouble for the opposition, or someone like Corbyn, is how alone and isolated he is in this kind of fantasy fiction landscape. It’s a dramatic stage, like the lower chamber, bursting with symbolism, role-playing and its own rules and rhetoric, and this all puts a non-actor like Corbyn at a tremendous disadvantage. How does one stand up to a baying lynch mob when their blood is up? It’s possible in fiction in movies, but in real life, it’s incredibly difficult. It requires extraordinary qualities to face down a mob and survive, let alone turn them around. Corbyn doesn’t have those qualities to spare at the best of times, so he’s at a terrible disadvantage, attempting to inject reality and rationality into a thrilling piece of high political drama which the British not only invented but excel at.

    Of course he gets no help from the media who support the thrilling horror story ’cause it’s the kind of entertainment they prefer, prefer to real life where the welfare state and the economy are falling apart around our ears. Here the ‘story’ wins out against the ‘truth’ every time. That’s just the way the British press is configured and one cannot expect anything else or any change or reform to alter things.

    Faced with the choice of publishing an exciting bit of fiction that could lead to war, instead of sober and careful analysis that might make people think and reflect, they’ll choose the former every single time.




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    • ‘The trouble with the opposition, or someone like Corbyn, is how alone and isolated he is..’MichaelK
      SO, Instead of continuing to be the audience, isn’t it time that we, the people, rose up off the sofa and made our voices heard in support of the only sane voice in this outrageous drama?
      Corbyn can’t, and nor should he be expected to, do it alone.




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        I couldn’t agree more. It is way past time and gaining more urgency every day.




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    • Big B says

      Michael: as for Corbyn, just how “alone and isolated” is he? And isolated how: there is no ideological ground between the parties on this – a fact he himself tried to verify in his recent Guardian article. The isolation is all smoke and mirrors fairground trickery: he stands ideologically aligned and in lockstep with May’s treason. He has endorsed that her binary options are the only two possible alternatives. I am sure you have read it in black and white.

      https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/mar/15/salisbury-attack-conflict-britain-cold-war

      Propagandists like Ancona and Cohen are trying to produce the illusion of choice and real quantitative and qualitative difference: where none exists. This is supposedly based on Corbyn’s alleged reluctance to blame Russia in strong enough terms. Yet he does confirm that the “use of military nerve agents on the streets of Britain is barbaric and beyond reckless”? He does not question the conclusion that it was Novichok: which “has been identified as of original Russian manufacture”. Nor does he question the implicit assumption that Russia carried on developing and stockpiling a mythical Soviet super-toxin: only that Russia may have “allowed these deadly toxins to slip out of the control it has an obligation to exercise”. I’m not sure that you can differentiate between these positions? Only the likes of Ancona and Cohen can make a living out of making them seem different.

      And judging by the Blairite reactionaries: you’d have thought he had denounced the charade and called the whole thing a hoax: which it would not seem unreasonable to assume it is. But this is all part of the bloodsport of modern party politics too: the illusion is created that there is a diverse opinion and dialogue – when all you have is the cacophony of a disagreeable agreement. And Corbyn is doing his best to appease and be part of this mass psychotic, chemically induced delusion.

      And when it comes to agreement on the international Russophobic agenda: here Labour are not the doves of appeasement; they are the hawks in the vanguard of the ruling-class agenda. Bill Browder is a one man Cold Warrior who is singularly responsible for the Global Magnitsky Act agenda: based on lies and designed to suit only the few; not the many – and the Labour party have been his vehicle in the UK. Preceding the Skripal false flag: they have been driving this racist xenophobic upper one percent supra-national Cold War provocation against the “Putin regime”; as even Corbyn calls it. Corbyn uses weasel words to call for appeasement from one side of his mouth: while from the other foams the “Magnitsky-style sanctions” mantra. This is class-collaboration at its most insidious: that is, if he is so intoxicated by the “military nerve agent” hallucination that he does not realise he is being duped by the billionaire activist class. If he does know what he is doing: he is a class traitor – pure and simple.

      https://www.strategic-culture.org/news/2018/02/01/meet-corrupt-billionaire-who-has-brought-about-new-cold-war.html

      So coming back to my question: just how isolated is Corbyn? It seems to me that he is ideologically indistinct from May over Russia? In fact, he is advancing the billionaire globalist Cold War provocation for them. His calls for appeasement and empirical rationality have to be tempered with this fact. He wants to avoid the “new cold war” by pushing for sanctions that are part of an elite supra-national Magnitsky Act agenda …that is determined by billionaires toward the ideological ends of a new cold war? That seems confused thinking to me: from which I am entitled to ask – just who is he serving here? The many, or the few? From his inclusive Everyman (or PC Everyperson) roots – just how isolated in the pursuit of power has he become? And how much further is he willing to go?




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        You’re right of course. I was really reffering to the reaction of the Labour Party, which seems to be spooked and in a panic.




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    • milosevic says

      What they are doing is smearing any dissent about events in Salisbury as a ‘conspiracy theory.’ This is very convenient and useful indeed. Corbyn’s on the ropes once more and a couple of years of steady progress wiped out in few days

      Thus do the ruling-class benefits continue to flow from the endless cornucopia that is the 9/11 false flag event. Any genuine left that had accumulated fifteen years of experience in exposing that would simply laugh at this latest idiocy; in fact, the ruling class would not have dared to try it, because it would only serve as further evidence of their psychopathic criminality.

      But sadly, if there existed a genuine left of any significance, we would be living in an alternate universe, no less remote from actually-existing reality than the delusional fantasy world that the Establishment wishes us to mentally inhabit.




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  20. MichaelK says

    https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/mar/18/jeremy-corbyn-vladimir-putin-russia

    Well, the Guardian/Observer from the liberal/left end of the UK’s free and independent media spectrum, wouldn’t agree with Catte’s observations for a second. They’d cry… conspiracy theorist crank! Everything, apparently, except conspiracies involving the Russians, is mere coincidence. The very idea that Downing Street would simply lift a lurid plot from a television series involving dastardly Russians and a secret nerve agent called Novichok has no significance at all and to even suggest otherwise must mean one is a Russian sowing discord and aiming to split the West!




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      You have the causality the wrong way around. The lurid plot is first concocted by the state intelligence agencies, and then planted in the mass media to create the appropriate ideological environment for the actual false-flag black op to be uncritically accepted at face value.




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  21. Big B says

    We need a new Winston Churchill to lead us out of this unholy mess. No, not Boris: though he did his best to channel the Churchillean rhetoric and revive the spirit of “the Few” and our Dunkirkean “finest hour” (and perhaps suggest that a new Battle of Britain is about to take place?) …when he stood in front a WW2 Hurricane at the old RAF control centre at Uxbridge to declare that it was “overwhelmingly likely” Putin personally ordered the hit. If he was to further model himself on his idol: maybe he could have quoted: “But if we fail, then the whole world, including the United States… […] will sink into the abyss of a new dark age made more sinister, and perhaps more protracted, by the lights of perverted science”?

    No, not that Churchill at all: but he eugenic Churchill who, in 1910-11 was in favour of the confinement, segregation, and forced sterilisation of a class of persons then described as the “feeble minded.” Had the 1913 Mental Deficiency Act, that Churchill helped draft, been targeted at the four classes of Idiots; Imbeciles; Feeble-minded persons; and Moral Imbeciles among the Aristocracy and Establishment of the day – he could have prevented the lunatics from breeding and taking over the asylum? Perhaps only the hope of a mass Sectioning of their progeny – plus the class-collaborationist politicians that represent their interests – under a revived Mental Deficiency Act 2018 can save us? Or as Churchill campaigned for: compulsory labour camps for “mental defectives” – especially ones who believe in Novichok?

    [The OPCW are due in the UK tomorrow: perhaps they should stop off in Eastern Ghouta if they really want to investigate a chemical weapons lab?]

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mental_Deficiency_Act_1913




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  22. Betrayed planet says

    Boris (or Bojo the Clown as he is now called, or the CIA stooge as he is also called) has I believe blown it. Too much hype, too many lies, manipulation and of course Theresa the exceptional stateswoman that she is high fiving it in Salisbury with a ridiculous expression on her diseased face have between them shown the unfortunate and long suffering people just what a motley crew of psychopaths they really are. Even Tories are somewhat taken aback by this treasonous behaviour.
    I think the majority do not believe this story, it’s possible the majority no longer trust the MSM which in time will bring about the demise of many news outlets including the traitorous Guardian.




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      Theresa the exceptional stateswoman that she is high fiving it in Salisbury with a ridiculous expression on her diseased face

      Do you have a video for that?




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  23. Sav says

    Day in, day out people are found collapsed and ill – drug taking etc. Do doctors start suspecting a nerve agent attack? In less than 24 hours that was being headlined. Bit strange?

    News of the policeman becoming ‘ill’ isn’t heard of until 7th December. Two days after the ‘nerve agent’ news comes out. The impression people are getting is that he fell ill at the scene. But this isn’t true. Nor do we know what his symptoms were. Just that he also went to hospital. This could even be just a psychosomatic illness once he heard about the nerve agent. Or saw an opportunity for a nice retirement package or to be a hero. None of the other policemen there or the doctor suffered anything.




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  24. Thomas Prentice says

    What strikes me here is what people in the “drama industry” would call “set” and “blocking.”

    The NEWS set has been Americanized or rather, Fox-And-Friendsified — comfy chairs, cozy and close with each other offering easy intimacy and softball questions. It is hard to ask sharp follow-up questions in this sort of intimate arrangement.

    It is the opposite of what BBC interview sets USED to be with reporter and interviewee at ends of a rather long table interrupting coziness and easy intimacy and imposing appropriate distance which prevents coziness and easy intimacy and promotes direct Q and A and, if needed, sharp follow-up questions.

    I don’t have television and voted it off the island in 2011 during the horrific Barack Obama abomination scheme to destroy Social Security and Medicare; Medicaid and Food Stamps and the rest of the Social Contract because of HDD aka High Deficit Danger and, aisde from Keith Olbermann, the US news media did breathless hysterics, “oh woe is us” et cetera.

    The deficit was then $15 trillion; it is now over $20 trillion and heading North. NONE of the US social programs have contributed to the deficit: it is ALL MILITARY and East German Police State spending what done it.

    There has been no hysteria over HDD since 2011. Although the Trump tax cuts will baloon the deficit by several more trillions … and the war cry will again arise: HDD aka High Deficit Danger AGAIN so let’s CUT the social contract.

    And the media and the DD aka Damned Democrats will go along with it.




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  25. https://imageshack.com/a/img924/8918/yAMpPG.jpg

    Translation:

    “What surprises me most about all this Skripal story? It seems that no one watched a TV series “Strike Back” till 5th season. It uses the exact same scenario. Even the gas is the same “Novichok”. Which was created by the chemist, who escaped from Russia.

    And it seems that the British government does not have any ideas about what to do next, because the series has only 6 episodes out of 10 by now. Where the cliffhanger is that now the British intelligence got their hands on the Novichok…”




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  26. Chryz says

    Just read the Andrew Rawnsley article and was a little heartend to see that the majority of the comments are completely disbelieving of the blame Russia line. probably why so many of the other Guradian articles on the subject have no comments section.




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  27. bevin says

    John Helmer has some interesting ideas. He calls the May/Johnson claims a ‘blood libel’ and points out that under British law it is a criminal offence to accuse a nation of murder.
    Also interesting is his revelation of Canada’s role in the UN in attempting to obscure the very clear rules under the Chemical Weapons Convention which the UK- taking its cue from Israel and the US- seems to believe does not apply to it.
    I remain convinced that the Tory plan/script calls for something big to happen soon- if this nonsense is not rapidly displaced from the news agenda it is going to make May an international laughing stock.
    http://johnhelmer.net/the-blood-libel-of-the-british-government-sic/#more-18877




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      I remain convinced that the Tory plan/script calls for something big to happen soon- if this nonsense is not rapidly displaced from the news agenda it is going to make May an international laughing stock.

      My dread thoughts exactly. It would be the end of them, they are doubling down as if confident that such spuriousness will be insignificant the other side of ……………….




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  28. avenir says

    I must say when Boris said that, my alarms bells started to ring. Why would he compound the rather dodgy narrative with more of the same if it isn’t part of a larger narrative to paint the Russians with the possession and use of chemical weapons? Would the NeoCon crazies be mad enough to directly enter the civil war in Syria and directly fight the Russians? With talk of John Bolton entering the white house as Trump’s National security adviser, Trump’s pre-election rhetoric seems to have been nullified by the people he’s appointing. So is the plan to enter the Civil War and then attack Iran and Hezbollah in the process – a wider middle east conflict? I must say I am concerned and hope Boris is simply trying cover up one lie with another and digging himself a deeper hole to lie in.

    By the way I was going to comment on Andrew Rawnsley’s article today in the Observer but it seems to be #ToryTrollFarm Sunday there.




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    • Harry Law says

      US Ambassador Haley said not long ago

      United States Ambassador to the United Nations Nikki Haley on Monday said the U.S. is willing to take military action to end the Syrian bombing of civilians if the U.N. is unable to do so.

      “When the international community consistently fails to act, there are times when states are compelled to take their own action,” Haley told the Security Council, noting that this is one of those times.

      “We warn any nation determined to impose its will through chemical attacks and inhuman suffering, but most especially the outlaw Syrian regime, the United States remains prepared to act if we must,” Haley said. “It is not a path we prefer. But it is a path we have demonstrated we will take, and we are prepared to take again.” http://thehill.com/policy/international/378007-nikki-haley-us-is-prepared-for-military-action-if-un-doesnt-stop-syrian
      Since then Senior Russian politicians have warned the US that any aggression against places in Syria where Russian troops are embedded will be met by force and the source of the attack will be destroyed. I think the Russians are deadly serious.




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        This again is very concerning, I also notice the Russians have been very circumspect in the use of their latest military technology in Syria preferring to use the Cold War stuff. Their anti-aircraft and anti-ship systems, their hypersonic cruise missiles may surprise the West used to fighting a defenceless enemy.




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  29. Kavy says

    I have read that when he is not in public he is very serious, he clown persona is just for show. He’s a narcissist and maybe even a psychopath, the same for Theresa May. They know the whole thing is a set up, and Russia is not guilty of anything. Russia has posed no threat to the West. Theresa and Boris know they are starting this war to gain control of the world’s resources, including Russia’s and China’s. They know this is evil, but they think they can get away with it.




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  30. stevehayes13 says

    Before interviewing Boris Johnson, Andrew Marr asserted that President Putin deals with opposition by killing them in the streets. I have complained to the BBC.




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  31. As foreign minister our Boris is the most pathetic thing in the world: a clown who’s not even funny.




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