State-funded BBC lets Boris Johnson claim of Russia “stockpiling novichok” go unchallenged while UK govt's Skripal “drama” continues to defy sense & reason

Boris Johnson is given free rein to talk nonsense by state-funded Andrew Marr on state-funded BBC


The Russian election is rolling on, so far with no major hitches, and maybe even less than the expected level of Western sniping. Ghouta continues to be liberated, and so far the predictions of a chemical weapons false flag to justify NATO cruise missile attacks on Damascus have not come about. For the sake of global survival we have to hope that continues.
Meanwhile the Skripal case is exposed more and more as a poorly executed, ragged and ridiculous piece of political theatre.
The name “novichok” was very possibly grabbed from a Sky TV drama aired earlier this year.

In the TV show novichok is presented as a secret and deadly and exclusively Russian nerve agent, and this is indeed the way May presented it in Parliament. Her research team possibly didn’t bother to look any further, and this is why, when the truth about real-life novichoks emerged, the government was left floundering.
Risible of course, but currently not completely impossible.
Rather than acknowledging the dismal and embarrassing failure of their narrative the UK government, in the person of Boris Johnson, is apparently doubling down and telling fresh and even more extraordinary stories. On the state-funded BBC’s Andrew Marr show today, Johnson talked parallel-universe nonsense for 20 minutes, completely unchallenged by state-funded Marr of course, who simply let him say whatever he felt like saying, in the grand tradition of state-funded BBC complicity in state-level deceit. Johnson’s brand of weasel-words and lies by omission and commission was in the best tradition of “perfidious Albion”, even going so far as to allege at one point:

We actually have evidence within the last 10 years that Russia has not only been investigating the delivery of nerve agents for the purpose of assassination, but has also been creating and stockpiling novichok.

A claim that flies in the face of every known fact, including a) that Russia’s entire stockpile of chemical weapons was verified as destroyed last year by the OPCW, and that novichoks had never been considered viable or manufactured anywhere prior to an alleged OPCW-observed succesful atempt to do so by Iran in 2016.
The government’s rhetoric is currently so deranged, its conduct by turns so delusional and so furtive, while the basic facts of what happened to the Skripals remain so contradictory, it’s legitimate at this stage to wonder how real any of this “drama” actually is.
And what the endgame here can possibly be.


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jamienbailey
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Time for an off BBC. ?

Ross Hendry
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With regard to the BBC, for me the writing was on the wall when the BBC World Service (the government’s overseas propaganda unit) ceased to be funded by the Foreign Office and was bundled in with national TV and Radio, to be funded by the licence payer.
Suddenly all pretence that our domestic broadcaster was independent and totally separate from any influence by HMG went out of the window,

alaffcreator
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milosevic
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milosevic

Somebody should turn that into an animated GIF.

vierotchka
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Go ahead, it isn’t difficult with https://giphy.com/create/gifmaker

Ivan
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Ivan

It is unbelievable what happens on the Independent site since last night.
Most of the comments which were skeptical about the Skripal affair or supporting Russia got erased without any reason, leaving mostly comments denigrating the Russian state and its people.
for example here:
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/russia-election-latest-putin-victory-skripal-attack-link-increase-citizen-turnout-uk-salisbury-spy-a8262996.html
My feeling unfortunately is that such things, this wave of libel and smear, is a precursor to a war which will be opened by the US “allied” with EU, probably against Syria, then gradually hitting Russian forces there as well.

vierotchka
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One should make screenshots of comments which were skeptical about the Skripal affair or supporting Russia before they get erased, for future reference. 🙂

Dermot O Connor
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Perhaps the owners of the laughably titled ‘Independent’ might have a role in that?
https://www.theguardian.com/media/2017/jul/29/saudi-investor-buys-up-significant-stake-in-the-independent

MichaelK
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MichaelK

Think what this says about our mass-media, that with all their resources, thousands of journalists, always so dedicated and bustling to provide us with the latest news and views, that it’s up to Craig Murray to put them all to shame by asking the right questions, which demolishes the entire foundation for this absurd piece of crass and very nasty political theatre. There’s an awful puff piece in the Guardian about Cathy Newman from Channel Four News and reading it one senses that both of the journalists live in comfortable fantasy world, where they are intrepid and fearless professionals striving… Read more »

milosevic
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milosevic

Think what this says about our mass-media, that with all their resources, thousands of journalists, always so dedicated and bustling to provide us with the latest news and views, The Big Lie doesn’t come cheap. The Mighty Wurlitzer wouldn’t wurlitz the way it does, if it weren’t mightily well-funded. that it’s up to Craig Murray to put them all to shame by asking the right questions, which demolishes the entire foundation for this absurd piece of crass and very nasty political theatre. And yet the Spectacle continues, undiminished and unimpeded, as if it hadn’t even noticed the demolition of its… Read more »

MichaelK
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MichaelK

There are so many obvious, simple and important questions about this strange affair in Salisbury and Boris Johnson’s latest extraordinary performance on the Andrew Marr Show, yet, it’s hard to find a single journalist employed within our ‘free and independent’ and ‘non-propaganda’ mainstream media, that are asking any of them. It’s left to Craig Murray to ask the obvious questions and take apart the absurd version of events presented by the government. How does such mind-numbing uniformity come to exist? Why do the journalists agree with the government about so much? It can’t be because the ‘facts’ are so obvious,… Read more »

flaxgirl
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Orwell called it Crimestop. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thoughtcrime “Crimestop” means to rid oneself of unwanted thoughts immediately, i.e., thoughts that interfere or disagree with the ideology of the Party. This way, a person avoids committing thoughtcrime. In the novel, we hear about crimestop through the eyes of protagonist Winston Smith: The mind should develop a blind spot whenever a dangerous thought presented itself. The process should be automatic, instinctive. Crimestop, they called it in Newspeak. He set to work to exercise himself in crimestop. He presented himself with propositions—’the Party says the earth is flat’, ‘the party says that ice is heavier than… Read more »

milosevic
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milosevic

How does such mind-numbing uniformity come to exist? Why do the journalists agree with the government about so much? It can’t be because the ‘facts’ are so obvious, because clearly they are not. Whatever happened to this ‘spectrum of views’ idea that our media is supposed to eagerly reflect?
“It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his salary depends upon his not understanding it.” — Upton Sinclair

MichaelK
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MichaelK

Point taken, but this is the slide towards war with Russia after all. Money doesn’t mean much if you’re a pile ash, does it? Don’t these people think, at all, ever?

milosevic
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milosevic

They’re no longer capable of thinking, in the normal sense, if they ever were. They’ve reached their exalted positions in the ruling class Establishment because they’re carefully trained themselves, probably since highschool, or earlier, to think only the kind of thoughts that will advance the interests of the ruling class, and their own careers in service to it. George Orwell explains how it’s done: “To know and not to know, to be conscious of complete truthfulness while telling carefully constructed lies, to hold simultaneously two opinions which cancelled out, knowing them to be contradictory and believing in both of them,… Read more »

always write
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always write

has anyone seen the ” victims” yet?

vierotchka
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Craig Murray published an excellent article yesterday:
Boris Johnson Issues Completely New Story on “Russian Novichoks”
https://www.craigmurray.org.uk/archives/2018/03/boris-johnson-issues-completely-new-story-on-russian-novichoks/

flaxgirl
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So can anyone explain? The lack of confirmation of hospital is exactly the same problem as in the Seth Rich death hoax. And in each case, the maligned side obviously knows it’s a hoax but doesn’t call it out. (In the Rich hoax, it’s the Democrats). Even when you look at 9/11 both Pakistan and Saudi Arabia were actually involved and millions of Muslims know it was an inside job but how many are calling it out? None that I can see.
It’s all a game at the top. I just don’t get it.

milosevic
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milosevic

the Seth Rich death hoax What do you mean by “hoax”? He didn’t die? He’s not the actual source of the “Russian hackers” leak? Or the Democratic Party apparatus and the “deep state” had nothing to do with it? What would be your evidence for that? in each case, the maligned side obviously knows it’s a hoax but doesn’t call it out. Even when you look at 9/11 both Pakistan and Saudi Arabia were actually involved That’s what’s called a “limited hangout”; it’s the backup plan when the Official Story starts visibly collapsing, so that people now imagine that they’ve… Read more »

flaxgirl
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By Seth Rich death hoax I do mean he didn’t die. This two-minute video of a family interview (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LOn09bhDXMo) taken 3 days after the alleged death shows the father starting to mouth the mother’s words as the camera pans from him to her (clearly indicating scripting and also a sign they’re TELLING us it’s a hoax, that is, the “revelation of the method (ROV)” they are obliged to employ), the brother swallowing his smiles (also ROV), zero signs of anyone of grieving (ROV), platitudes and dead giveaway, the black and white Masonic panda (ROV). This is a link to a… Read more »

Admin
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This discussion is wandering way off topic isn’t it.

flaxgirl
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I wouldn’t say that at all. As I say, there’s a similarity between the Seth Rich death hoax and this one: that there is no confirmation of the hospital and if everyone recognised SR as a hoax there wouldn’t have to be any discussion about it, I’d just refer to it, but people don’t. They seem to be incredibly resistant to the idea for some reason even though the 2-min video makes it very, very clear and indicates that in no shape or form could it fit “real event” – no shape or form. It seems we all have our… Read more »

Alan
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Alan

Although I don’t speak Russian doesn’t Novichok just mean something new?, therefore usage in a drama is unremarkable. No doubt children in the future will be taught how Vladimir Putin developed and administered this nerve agent whilst disguised as an ice cream cone. As for Mr Marr, he’s a television presenter acting the role of an interviewer within a television show. In other words, pure theatre.

shaksvshav
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shaksvshav
flaxgirl
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It’s interesting that Tyler asks when wondering about the lack of confirmation of their whereabouts the question, Do they even exist? because when I saw dad was 66 and daughter was 33 I thought “You’ve got to be kidding me,” and wondered exactly the same thing. 33 is THE Masonic number while all multiples of 11 are significant – 9/11, JFK assassination 22/11.

flaxgirl
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This prompts me to really wonder. If the Skripals don’t really exist – or even if they do – Russia knows this is a ludicrous false flag hoax so why don’t they call it out? The Poirot reference is a bit of a giveaway. The Dutch former high-finance operative turned whistleblower, Ronald Bernard, has said that at the very top there’s no distinction. They’re all in it together. Here’s an image taken secretly of Putin, Bush and Chinese president at a Masonic gathering. https://archive.org/details/bush_putin_china_prez

milosevic
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milosevic

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flaxgirl
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Oh dear, another clanger I’ve made. However, according to the person linked to in my comment below, Putin is nevertheless a Mason, there is massive Masonic symbolism in this event and it really makes no sense for Russia not to call this out, does there, unless they’re somehow in on it? The Hegelian Dialectic “Two conflicting sides to reach a predefined conclusion, is what they always use to reach their common objective: The NWO,” makes more sense than any alternatives, no?

milosevic
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milosevic

On that theory, explain why the Russian military has spent the last two years, and over a hundred lives, saving Syria from the drooling psychopaths that the NWO sent to destroy it.

flaxgirl
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Milosevic, my knowledge of these matters is very limited so I cannot answer your question, but the simple facts are that this event was staged and so was SR’s death and the maligned sides know and don’t call them out … or not completely … I mean you could say the Russians do by referring to Poirot and saying they think it’s UK intel because, of course, it was but they don’t actually say the word “hoax”. There’s false flag hoaxes all over the show, including the train bombing in St Petersburg last year (https://nodisinfo.com/smoke-bombs-used-fake-terror-attack-st-petersburg-subway-bombing-hoax/) and they tend to have… Read more »

Jay Q
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Jay Q

What the heck? Crazy, crazy image!

flaxgirl
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It almost seems to me that the power elite are rubbing their mockery so much in our faces that they really do want us to know. I thought I’d check out The Sun as it tends to really go for it with the false-flag hoaxes (here’s a priceless example for the Manchester bombing – https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/3671647/harrowing-footage-shot-by-dad-searching-for-teen-daughter-in-manchester-arena-moments-after-bomb-blast/) but this article (https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/5840249/nerve-agent-novichok-sergei-skripal-car-russia-spy/) didn’t seem particularly more silly – it would be hard now, wouldn’t it? What surprised me was that every single comment made fun and they’re quite hilarious. I love the names of some of the commenters: Colonel Mustard, Whoflungdung, Baron Stephen… Read more »

flaxgirl
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Seriously, I think they really are trying to tell us. Why would they report the Russian ambassador having a Poirot dig? Surely, people are simply forced to laugh along with it. It’s weird – all the Russiaphobic stuff and then a joke from the Russians that can only make you sympathise with them. Funnily enough, when you google “skripal” “poirot” site:.ru, there’s only one response and it’s an article in French. No doubt the UK Russian ambassador is in on it, too. Maybe he complained the Russiaphobia was simply too much and it needed to be lightened a little with… Read more »

Kathy
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Kathy

I have heard it said that they do have to tell us. It,s up to us if we take notice. That is why we are meant to be sleep walking and not properly awake.

milosevic
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milosevic
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flaxgirl
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Yes, they do have to tell us. It’s called “revelation of the method”. The staged event analyst, Ole Dammegard, was told by an insider that they justify their evil deeds by telling us with clues, things that don’t add up, numbers and symbols, contradictions, impossibilities, ridiculousness, multiple changes in story, “leaked” candid footage, etc. Here is a Masonic analysis of the event starting with an image of an orange bag and a builder’s bucket (words are coded using an ancient method, Gematria, and “orange” codes to 33) https://steemit.com/conspiracy/@lavater/sergei-skripal-poisoned-russian-spy-masonic-hoax-33-and-777-coded As I stated in an earlier comment the Russians know and there… Read more »

Kathy
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Kathy

All the world’s a stage, And all the men and women merely players; They have their exits and their entrances, And one man in his time plays many parts, His acts being seven ages. At first, the infant, Mewling and puking in the nurse’s arms. Then the whining schoolboy, with his satchel And shining morning face, creeping like snail Unwillingly to school. And then the lover, Sighing like furnace, with a woeful ballad Made to his mistress’ eyebrow. Then a soldier, Full of strange oaths and bearded like the pard, Jealous in honor, sudden and quick in quarrel, Seeking the… Read more »

shaksvshav
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shaksvshav

The FCO had a post on twitter berating Russia for taking 10 years to get rid of chemical weapons (no mention of the USA or Israel, of course). Now Boris says they never got rid of them. They need to get their propaganda straight.

MichaelK
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MichaelK

Corbyn isn’t some radical socialist as far as I can see. He’s more a traditional, middle-of-the-road… social democrat with a slightly left of centre political agenda. That the entire political spectrum has lurched dramatically to the political right over the last few decades, especially inside parliament, which is massively unrepresentative, is the only thing that makes Corbyn appear ‘radical.’

MichaelK
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MichaelK

Here’s a pretty misrable, unfortunately rather accurate, summation of a lot that’s wrong with our political culture and how difficult and dangerous it’s become to voice even the mildest criticism of the state’s attitude towards Russia.
http://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2018/03/19/corb-m19.html

bevin
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bevin

Perhaps the purpose of this hysteria is not to ‘prepare the public’ for an attack on Syria but to distract the public from the reality that any direct attack on Syria will lead to an immediate response by Russia. If Russia has indeed told the US that, if any missiles are launched against Damascus, it will sink the ships that launched them then there will either be a crisis bigger by far than the Cuban Missile Crisis or an immediate nuclear war. If that is the game being played then the idiotic tantrums being performed around Skrival’s case are a… Read more »

mog
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mog

I increasingly think that those things can only be answered by considering religious questions.
How much of the Neocons’ motivation comes from straightforward greed for resources, markets or monetary dominance, and how much from a religious ideology interpretted from the Old Testament ?

Ross Hendry
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100% greed in my view. The religious ideology is just presentational.

mog
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mog

Fair enough.
I have been trying to form an opinion for many years, and still haven’t.
The pursuit of material wealth beyond a certain point seems to be driven by a craving for power.
What is the principle of ‘power’ ? I guess that leads into metaphysics…

Ross Hendry
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Agreed. Some random thoughts:
Maybe the craving for money and power shows that at root it’s a sociopathic/psychopathic insecurity. The inability to just “be” in the present arises from the fear of what that really entails – becoming conscious of and integrating repressed traumatic material.
It’s not so much that these seemingly hyper-ambitious types are pursuing something as they are running away from something. The big problem is that our culture actively promotes this kind of self-avoidance.

Paul Downey
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Paul Downey

“the inability to just “be””. 40 years ago somebody suggested to me that human beings had all died out in W . Europe, to be replaced by human doings. That seemed to answer a question I’d had for some time ….It might prove a useful reflection for some here.

mog
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mog

As far as I am concerned, the Tories have won this. Corbyn and McDonnell, Sturgeon and Lucas, the whole sorry racist lot of them have zero credibility and deserve all the defeat that comes their way. This has been a loyalty test, nothing more. The option was either to unquestioningly believe the completely unfounded statements of the Tory government or to stand up for reason, truth and the principles of justice that underscore what little is good about our society. They have bowed to the hysteria of a brainwashed, facebooked public and a psychopathic brainwashing media. These politicians are traitors… Read more »

shaksvshav
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shaksvshav

“Supine protoplasmic invertebrate jellies”, to use one of Boris’ favourite phrases.

shaksvshav
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shaksvshav

“Craven opportunists” (me)

milosevic
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milosevic

This has been a loyalty test, nothing more. The option was either to unquestioningly believe the completely unfounded statements of the Tory government or to stand up for reason, truth and the principles of justice that underscore what little is good about our society. They have bowed to the hysteria of a brainwashed, facebooked public and a psychopathic brainwashing media. You could, of course, say the same thing about the even more obviously manufactured 9/11 event. That was the litmus test of all litmus tests for anybody claiming to be an opponent of the Anglo-Zionist Empire. Once that test had… Read more »

mog
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mog

I totally agree milosevic.
The course was set back then, this is the destination.
I think that our slide (in the UK) into totalitarianism and war is now inevitable, short of some hugely unpredicable outside intervention.
I guess that I harboured some vague hope that someone in the political-media establishment might be awake to the idea of false flags enough to actually demand standard levels of skepticism about Salisbury (perhaps even private 9/11 skeptics ?) – but this seems idealistic twaddle now.

milosevic
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milosevic

Big B
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Big B

Now we know what the significance of reinforcing al-Tanf was: they are training the FSA in the use of chemical weapons there – according to Russian General Staff spokesman General Sergey Rudskoy.
https://zerohedge.whotrades.com/blog/43175985996

Harry Law
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Harry Law

Mrs May takes no chances… from Zero Hedge

Harry Law
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Harry Law

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Guest
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Guest

What gets me about the comments in the guardian regarding the Russian government. Is the condescending attitude on display
This is coupled with the complete lack of self awareness about their own countries political system.
The uk government sells arms to oppressive regimes that end up in the hands of terrorists
They then turn a blind eye to the activity of the gulf monarchies who fund jihadi terrorism.
They knowingly support regime change destroying countries creating refugees
What has Russia done that could match that?

Arrby
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“The Russian election is rolling on, so far with no major hitches, and maybe even less than the expected level of Western sniping.” I haven’t looked around in the major media (which I don’t do at all really) since Putin’s expected win, but I did pop into the Toronto Star. It’s awful on anything dealing with politics and foreign policy. And that’s putting it mildly. Putin’s win elicited some typical racist ranting that the ruined Star was happy to spew at its readers: “Russia extends Vladimir Putin’s power for six more years in barely democratic election” by Vladimir Isachenkov and… Read more »

vierotchka
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Excerpt:
Vladimir Putin is making an address in his electoral campaign headquarters. Putin leads the elections with some 75.5 percent of the vote, according to preliminary results.
Vladimir Putin expressed gratitude to all his supporters and voters, stating that the election results clearly indicate that the people support his political course, despite the hard times Russia recently went through.
https://www.rt.com/news/421645-putin-kremlin-election-speech/

vierotchka
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vierotchka
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Published on 18 Mar 2018 Incumbent Russian leader Vladimir Putin is set to secure a resounding victory in the Russian presidential election, according to partial results made public by the electoral commission. With 31 percent of the votes counted, mostly in eastern part of the country, Vladimir Putin leads with 73 percent of the vote, well above the simple majority needed to avoid a run-off. First-time Communist Party candidate Pavel Grudinin is running second with 15 percent, while veteran nationalist politician Vladimir Zhirinovsky, who first ran against Boris Yeltsin in 1991, rounds out the top three with about seven percent.… Read more »

Arrby
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Thanks for that.
“Putin was first elected to the Kremlin in 2000, and again four years later. Constitutionally barred from serving more than two consecutive terms, he did not run in 2008, the same year presidential terms were extended from four years to six years.” That was dodgy. But, Compared with the bloodspilling monsters that the West tosses up in our captured electoral systems, it’s piddly and probably, in important respects, good.