New Study on Rising Suicide Rates in the US Suggests Capitalism Is Quite Literally Killing Americans

by Grit Post Editorial Board, June 11, 2018

A study released late last week showed that suicide rates have risen significantly across the country. The culprit appears to be capitalism.
t’s largely assumed that people who decide to kill themselves are suffering from a mental illness. Mental Health America estimates that 30 to 70 percent of Americans who end their own lives are suffering from either severe depression or bipolar disorder. However, according to a study conducted by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC), 54 percent of Americans who committed suicide in 27 states in 2015 had no known mental health condition.
The CDC study, which examined suicide rates in all 50 states between 1999 and 2016, found that the rate of Americans taking their own lives increased by an alarming 38 to 58 percent in 12 states, 31 to 37 percent in another 12 states, and 19 percent to 30 percent in another 12 states. The CDC found that on average, suicide rates jumped by more than 30 percent for all 50 states. The only state that saw a decrease in suicide rates was Nevada:

Alarming trends
(Data by Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, Map by Magazine for the Society for Science & the Public)

The fact that more than half of these suicides were not attributed to any mental illness in a majority of states for at least one year of the period the CDC studied is remarkable, and begs the question of what other factors led to thousands of Americans taking their own lives. CDC researchers discovered that, outside of problems with intimate partners, the prime causes of suicide for Americans with no known mental illnesses were primarily financial in nature.
“For those who died, circumstances surrounding their suicide included relationship or job problems, the loss of a home, legal troubles and physical health issues,” wrote Aimee Cunningham in the Magazine for the Society for Science & the Public. “These factors played a role whether suicide victims had a diagnosed medical condition or not.”
Such a significant increase in the rate of Americans killing themselves between 1999 and 2016 in 49 states merits research into national trends during that same time period. In 2011, The Federal Reserve Bank of New York (New York Fed) published a report showing that student debt had risen by 511 percent over a 12-year period. Student debt continued to increase at a catastrophic rate, with the New York Fed finding that the average American household has roughly 828 percent more student debt in 2017 than in 1999.
Home prices and healthcare premiums also increased precipitously from 1999 to today. Data from the U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics found that, on average, housing is 51 percent more expensive in 2018 than it was in 1999. The Kaiser Family Foundation found that between 1999 and 2017, health insurance premiums increased by more than 200 percent. Last year, Quartz reported that of the $2 billion raised on crowdfunding site Gofundme between 2010 and 2016, $930 million was for healthcare expenses.

single premiums(Data and graph by Kaiser Family Foundation)

In the meantime, wage growth for the bottom 90 percent of American workers has been at a standstill since the start of the 21st century. Even though workers saw an average 15 percent increase in wages during the 1990s, data from the Economic Policy Institute (EPI) shows that the vast majority of wage earners saw no cumulative growth in real annual wages between 1999 and 2013 despite worker productivity increasing by approximately 71 percent. However, wages for the top 1 percent skyrocketed over that same time period.

productivity-compensation gap.pngtop 1% wages
When the troubling rise in American suicide rates is taken in context with the relentless redistribution of wealth from the bottom 90 percent to the top 1 percent that took place over the same period, the culprit behind the wave of suicides is abundantly clear. Working-class Americans — when faced with rapidly increasing costs of living and stagnant wages — are forced to work longer hours just to stay afloat. Tragically, for thousands of financially unstable Americans, the stress of providing for their household amidst crushing student debt, housing prices, and healthcare costs eventually became too much to bear.
America is rapidly becoming a place where only the rich can survive. If local, state, and federal governments don’t take drastic steps to correct the inequality plaguing society, the trend of rising suicide rates will only continue.
 

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Dan
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Dan

The parasitical system and their criminal friends at wallstreet hold people back and make people desperate, unable to get ahead. They siphon the public money and laugh all the way to the bank at our expense. Just look at the ridiculous costs here: https://realitybloger.wordpress.com/2011/04/04/the-senate-how-much-does-it-cost/ You can quote as many “scholarly arguments” as you like but they are pointless and there’s no value in rebutting them if they don’t address the root cause, and instead address secondary causes. This is what restricts the debate and you’re the one trying to do it! The root cause is peoples “unfortunate circumstances arise because… Read more »

Gordon Meyer
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“For those who died, circumstances surrounding their suicide included relationship or job problems, the loss of a home, legal troubles and physical health issues,” … so, is this trying to say that none of those things could place someone in a mental health state that is possibly situational that could lead them to make a suicide attempt? As someone diagnosed with a mental health condition, a suicide attempt survivor and a trained mental health crisis responder, I find this line of thinking a terrible reaction to the suicide rates that have been at epidemic levels for longer than most people… Read more »

Jen
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Jen

Dear Gordon: Please stick to the topic which is that most suicides occur because of the particular monetary, legal and physical health circumstances victims find themselves in, and these circumstances arise because of the political and economic structures and belief systems imposed on people. To divert the conversation into a discussion of people’s mental states is a way of deflecting the focus away from the cause and onto proposing solutions that not only don’t address the cause of the problem but could worsen the problem and put the burden of blame or responsibility onto the victim.

manfromatlan
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And to add https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4482518/ Results Nine studies that altogether evaluated 2339 suicide cases and 5252 comparison participants met all selection criteria and were included in the meta-analysis. The meta-analysis suggested an overall protective effect of religiosity from completed suicide with a pooled OR of 0.38 (95% CI: 0.21–0.71) and I2 of 91%. Sub-analyses similarly revealed significant protective effects for studies performed in western cultures (OR = 0.29, 95% CI: 0.18–0.46), areas with religious homogeneity (OR = 0.18, 95% CI: 0.13–0.26), and among older populations (OR = 0.42, 95% CI: 0.21–0.84). High heterogeneity of our meta-analysis was attributed to three studies… Read more »

manfromatlan
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Dear Jen, please try not to restrict the debate. Durkheim found otherwise: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/%C3%89mile_Durkheim#Suicide Durkheim believed there was more to suicide than extremely personal individual life circumstances: for example, a loss of a job, divorce, or bankruptcy. Instead, he took suicide and explained it as a social fact instead of a result of one’s circumstances. Durkheim believed that suicide was an instance of social deviance. Social deviance being any transgression of socially established norms. He created a normative theory of suicide focusing on the conditions of group life. The four different types of suicide that he proposed are egoistic, altruistic, anomic,… Read more »

Jen
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Jen

No I wasn’t restricting the debate, I was trying not to let it go into a narrow discussion about mental health. Durkheim’s position on the other hand is restrictive, and an example of the direction into a framework that I was warning against earlier: he sees the same problem as the Grit Post writer does but from the viewpoint of the isolated individual. If we were to follow Durkheim’s approach and recommend solutions within that approach, we’d probably say that the individual must fall back into the social group or distance himself/herself from the social group, depending on that individual’s… Read more »

manfromatlan
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Despite its limitations, Durkheim’s work on suicide has influenced proponents of control theory, and is often mentioned as a classic sociological study. The book pioneered modern social research and served to distinguish social science from psychology and political philosophy

Which might be why I object to you imposing your political philosophy as the only worthwhile scope of this debate, it only creates narrow emotional constructs which limits human understanding. Not that you or I are acting as debate monitors, of course 😉

Jen
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Jen

The issue that the Grid Post article was pursuing is that capitalist society (and the belief systems and values it promotes as worthy: values such as competition, material consumption and a particular interpretation of “freedom” as in freedom from restraint and responsibility) is already a dysfunctional and sick entity. Normal people in such a society cannot thrive; it seems only sociopaths who can access power and wealth faster (by resorting to tactics and strategies that include breaking social rules and conventions, that in turn include violence and murder) can thrive in that type of society. You can say that Durkheim’s… Read more »

manfromatlan
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The article suggests but doesn’t prove that capitalism is the cause of the rise of suicide amongst Americans and asserts that mental health may not be a major factor -“54 percent of Americans who committed suicide in 27 states in 2015 had no known mental health condition”.(That leaves the other 46% as having a “mental health condition”?) So thanks, but we’re not going to keep discussion of the vital subject of increasing suicide rates within a narrow, flawed parameter, with all due respect. Also, when you look at the study instead of the magazine article https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/67/wr/mm6722a1.htm?s_cid=mm6722a1_w Vital Signs: Trends in… Read more »

Dan
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Dan

The situation really is not as complicated as you try to make it out to be. It only takes half a brain cell and a little critical thinking to realise capitalism IS the problem. You’re just another idiot who is willfully ignorant of the big red, white and blue dick being shoved up your asshole every day.

manfromatlan
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So, no rebuttal to the scholarly argument then? Have a good day.

BlueDolphin
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BlueDolphin

Your scholarly argument reads like a person who cannot accept that capitalism, the way it is running today, puts people into bad situations that can then lead to mental health problems, financial problems, personal problems. If the system were not so overwhelming and unfair for people, they would not be driven to such extremes. People function within the contexts of their society. We are not external to it. Current mental help professionals give advise on how the person can help themselves, but can do nothing to change the horrible contexts with which we live, which is the very system that… Read more »

George
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George

What exactly is your point? That “the loss of a home, legal troubles and physical health issues” COULD place someone in a mental health state? Well yes, obviously. And if that is the case then what the sufferers need is not “professional care” but help with their homes, finances and physical health.

john2o2o
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And I don’t see your point either. They may need both kinds of help. Kurt Cobain for example wasn’t poor.

Harry Stotle
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Harry Stotle

The biggest threat to US combat soldiers is not enemy bullets but their own hands – fact.
Veterans commit suicide at the rate of 1 per hour (approx) or 7,400 per annum – that’s 21% above the national average.

Gary Weglarz
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Gary Weglarz

Before my retirement several years ago I worked for almost 40 years as a social worker in the U.S. in every realm from mental health, to child abuse & neglect, to hospice care and to drug and alcohol counseling. What was abundantly clear from personal experience (as well as the research) is that poverty and childhood trauma combine in the U.S. with racism, sexism, a woefully insufficient social safety net, and a total disintegration of the social fabric in general to create almost unimaginable suffering for a huge segment of the U.S. population. For the most part the lives of… Read more »

Mulga Mumblebrain
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Mulga Mumblebrain

This reality, of a putatively ‘Christian’ country treating its people with such undisguised hatred and sadism (and the cancer is spreading deep into the supposed ‘middle’ class)makes all the hissing and spitting by the fakestream media presstitutes, that Trump failed to bring up ‘North Korea’s human rights record’, in his little tete-a-tete, more than usually hypocritical and odious. It is the DPRK that ought to be bemoaning the USA’s hideous record of human rights abuse-and that is not even to contemplate its record of aggression, genocide, torture and destruction outside the USA.

balkydj
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Astute comment , MM .. Personally, imo, I think Vaska is being perhaps a little naive on this one (untimely suicide pick) , in some senses: specifically speaking, falling into the ZioNazi trappings of short attention spans & mind control techniques of old. After all Christine Lagarde M.D. (IMF) stated clearly in late May 2014 in Mansion House to her fellow Elites that “Capitalism has Failed”, but still the debate just gets down and even dirtier .. & comical still, in the abstract ! >> https://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/economics/10989528/Inclusive-capitalism-conference-ends-in-High-Court-battle-between-organisers.html Better watch this, to lighten up 🙂 ‘USA world leaders’ >> The sheer number… Read more »

balkydj
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_incarceration_rate#United_States Uncle Sam leading the way, by incarcerating more than any other sovereign nation, per 100,000 citizens: proving the USA to have a scant hypocritical regard for Human Rights, along with colonies of the USA running closely behind: atrocious figures made doubly ironic, given their withdrawal from the UN Human Rights Commission , absurdly claiming bias &&& like some AshkeNazi Creature of Zion The Data Speaks louder than Nikki Hayley ever could: in fact , the Data helps to illuminate what an ill informed Biased-Woman Hayley really is, not others ! ; she screeching absurdity, like some stroppy guilty schoolgirl,… Read more »

bevin
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bevin

The underlying fact is that, since the early 1970s, half a century ago, there has been an inexorable decline in Labour’s share of the national income. This means, inter alia, that there has been a steady reduction in consumer demand in the economy- a long depression, characterised by curiously low unemployment rates, which are not entirely a function of statistical jiggery-pokery. Millions of Americans are working in insecure, ill paid and humiliating jobs an affront to their self respect and an emblem of their impotence. Add to this the fact that most Americans either do not have health care insurance… Read more »

Mulga Mumblebrain
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Mulga Mumblebrain

What’s more, the US plebs have been forced to go into huge indebtedness in order to keep consuming at something like an acceptable rate ie keeping food on the table. The US system is based on totalitarian rule by a psychopathic elite that hates other people, possesses no empathy or compassion, is insatiably greedy and does not care what happens to humanity after they are dead. The very worst are in total control of ‘society’, the most perfect kakistocracy as the Greeks called that situation, imaginable. What is peculiarly loathsome is that these deranged moral monsters and spiritual devils still… Read more »

Ure Kismet
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Ure Kismet

It wasn’t that long ago the US was trying to tear the USSR a new one over that nation’s policy of treating many of the citizens who struggled to fit into the socialist system as potentially suffering from an illness. See what freedom and apple pie does? Those who can’t cope are simply ignored in the US until they ‘do the decent thing’ and top themselves. Nice, particularly when the suicide stat is considered in conjunction with the US’ alarming rate of imprisonment, easily twice the rate of anywhere else. Not that the US doesn’t slot up lotsa nutters, they… Read more »

Brian Davey
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this is from my book “Credo” from Chapter 42 – The Psycho-dynamics of the financial market there is a striking correlation between mental ill health and debt – on both sides – lenders as well as borrowers. Among other things, it is now well documented that self-reported anxiety increases with the ratio of credit card debt to personal income; that the onset of mortgage debt has a negative impact on mental health on males; that of people receiving debt advice, a high proportion (62% in a UK study) reported that their debt led to stress, anxiety and depression which they… Read more »

kevin morris
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Rather than jumping on that familiar bandwagon of blaming capitalism, I suggest that people at least consider the late Harris Coulter’s goundbreaking study ‘Vaccination, Social Violence and Criminality- The medical assault on the US Brain’. Coulter worked with parents and children who had been damaged by the pertussis vaccine and concluded that the incidence of autism, almost unheard of before the second world war, has grown exponentially through the use of vaccination, particularly with the pertussis vaccine. He notes that when first made available, it was the children of parents wealthy enough to pay for vacicnation who succumbed, and that… Read more »

Mulga Mumblebrain
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Mulga Mumblebrain

I agree that mass vaccination of the very young, with an increasing burden of vaccines, all full of ‘adjuvants’ many kept secret on spurious ‘commercial’ grounds, almost certainly causes damage to some susceptible individuals, particularly as the human immune system is not yet fully functional at early age, and human neurological development continues into early adulthood. Vaccines are not, of course, the only assault on human health and function. We must also cope with chemical toxicity from thousands of novel poisons created by the chemical industry Moloch, the effects of which in particular individuals, and the synergistic damage done in… Read more »

Jen
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Jen

@ Kevin: May I ask who supplies the pertussis vaccine to the federal and/or state governments, or to hospitals (public and private) in the US? In Australia, GlaxoSmithKline Australia supplies the Boostrix-IPV pertussis vaccine to all federal, state and territory governments that have chosen to use it. https://au.gsk.com/en-au/media/press-releases/2016/whooping-cough-vaccines-availability-update/ You see, even the health problems arising from vaccines can still fall within a critique of capitalism. GSK, Merck and other pharmaceutical companies don’t supply childhood and other vaccines out of the goodness of their own corporate collective heart. You yourself have noted that when vaccination first became available, childhood autism rates… Read more »

kevin morris
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Hello Jen. I agree wholeheartedly. In my reply to Bevin I said as much. The problem with simply ‘blaming it on capitalism’ is that this has at least the potential to cloud the issue. In fact, it is at least arguable that the system of economics we have now is no longer capitalism at all, but the socialisation of risk for the wealthy, and capitalism red in tooth and claw for the rest of us. Special pleading on the part of the rich and corruption on the part of our elected representatives has resulted in an economic system that would… Read more »

Gary Wilson
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Kevin:
I still have my copy of “DPT A SHOT IN THE DARK”. I also still have my copy of “Pottenger’s Cats” and “Nutrition And Physical Degeneration”. If you read the two latter books you may come to same conclusion that I have come to best expressed by William A. Albrecht, PhD: “It’s not the overpowering invader we must fear but the weakened condition of the victim.”

kevin morris
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I couldn’t agree more Gary, but being a homoeopath myself, that should hardly come as a surprise. Unlike radicals in the anti-vaccine movement I merely call for openness and debate about the dangers of vaccination so that parents may make an informed choice. Since our supine media merely trumpets health scare propaganda nowadays openness is more needed than ever before.
It is said that towards the end of his life Louis Pasteur, who had always blamed ‘germs’ for disease, recanted and said, ‘The soil is everything’ which is essentially what you say.

Gary Wilson
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Kevin: The way I heard it he said, “The microbe is nothing, the terrain is everything.” I think that applies to both us and to the soil. For some time I have been familiar with the evidence left by the late soil soil scientist, William Albrecht, PhD. His evidence shows that nature works, literally, from the ground up. It starts with the ability of the soil to produce protein. My goal in improving soil fertility is to create the microbes that are at the bottom of the food chain. That is my approach to bring back a butterfly that is… Read more »

manfromatlan
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That would be Antoine Bechamp’s Theory of Illness:
Regarding the condition of the organism as a breeding ground of illness as opposed to the Germ Theory, you want to look up Antoine Bechamp, the French biologist who was the contemporary of Pasteur
http://www.metropolisink.com/2014/04/bechamp-or-pasteur.html

BigB
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BigB

I touched on this in another comment, but essentially I agree with this take: a sick diet is making us sick. The ‘Green Revolution’ in farming is lowering soil fertility (and killing biodiversity); the resultant crops have less and less nutrition; that remaining nutrition is then processed out – essentially as waste; the resultant denatured ‘food’ is lowering intelligence levels, making us sick, and susceptible to physical and mental illness. I would add another dimension to our changing diet: sugar. High fructose corn syrup and invert sugars might just be among the worst of our inventions. Along with the denatured… Read more »

Mulga Mumblebrain
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Mulga Mumblebrain

And then there is glyphosate, most notorious as Roundup. It kills the soil biota, all those arthropods and other beneficials that are central to soil health. Soils are basically being stripped of life and vitality. No-one cares in the capitalist kakistocracy, of course, just so long as profits always grow. When GE ‘crops’ immune to Roundup were introduced and pushed, the blood-suckers claimed, bizarrely, that LESS Roundup would be required, an obvious lie that goes against capitalist religion and commonsense, the fakestream presstitutes circulated it, unquestioningly, as required for their employment. Naturally Roundup use has soared, with crops drenched in… Read more »

Big B
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Big B

Once you start using Roundup (plus ‘Roundup Ready’ biotech mononcrop patented and licensed seeds) you need more and more Roundup …and a lot more water. Hydrological systems collapse; the runoff causes algal blooms and hypoxic dead zones… …This is all too familiar and predictable. One of the first environmental books I (and everyone else) read was Rachel Carson’s ‘Silent Spring’ …replace DDT with Roundup and on we go… 🙁

Mulga Mumblebrain
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Mulga Mumblebrain

And remember how the psychopathic Right, if you’ll forgive the tautology, attacked Carson, in the vilest manner, as being responsible for ‘millions of deaths’ in the poor world, because DDT was no longer used against malarial mosquitoes. As if those Rightwing vermin gave a stuff over how many millions or billions of ‘useless eaters’ died under any circumstance? You still see that shite from time to time in some Rightwing hate sewer, often in a Murdoch latrine. This, and countless other examples, remind us of a central truth, and one that the human beings refuse to contemplate and accept-to their… Read more »

Mulga Mumblebrain
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Mulga Mumblebrain

What I do, B, is define all shits as ‘Right’. It’s just a silly shorthand, based on the seating arrangements at the French assembly at the end of the 18th century. Generally, if a person is a ‘conservative’, ‘liberal’, ‘Free Marketeer’, etc, they are shits and I’ll call them ‘Rightists’. There are so-called, ‘Leftists’ who are not, of course, but that’s all part of the brainwashing. A true Leftist is simply non-psychopathic, humane, compassionate, and free of insatiable greed- in my opinion at least.

BigB
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BigB

Whoah, bud, I’m afraid it’s not as easily reductive as that: bad Right – ‘good’ Left? The Right may be paleoconservative and extremised …but it’s the “sordid materialistic calculus” that is killing the planet …and that is ubiquitous. That might seem unnecessarily blaming at first: but also, it is the only liberational praxis we have …to envision an equitable future to replace the mass karmic hallucination of hell on earth. Heaven may or may not be possible, but with a new awareness, we might avoid the Mad Max – Hunger Games – Handmaid’s Tale future we’re heading for! There might… Read more »

kevin morris
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AbsolutelY!

bevin
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bevin

“Rather than jumping on that familiar bandwagon of blaming capitalism, I suggest that people at least consider the late Harris Coulter’s groundbreaking study ‘Vaccination, Social Violence and Criminality- The medical assault on the US Brain’…’
The notion that a public health regimen us unrelated to the socio-political characteristics of the society in which it is found is mind boggling.
If this is your view of the relationships between policies and politics I urge you to explain the logic behind your conclusion- as to the crap about vaccines, we’ve heard it all before.

Jim Scott
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Jim Scott

If indeed there is a problem with vaccinations causing autism and with this being forced on parents by authorities, then it could be seen as an example of capitalism via medi-business causing autism and mental illness.

kevin morris
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And you will carry on hearing about it until something is done about it, for those- and there are many- who have seen their loved ones damaged by vaccination are growing impatient. Please remember that most governments including those of the UK and the US have funds to compensate for vaccine damage. There would be no reason for such funds to exist if vaccine damage didn’t exist. How is it that autism, was such a rare incidence prior to the introduction of the pertussis vaccine in the early forties that psychiatrists could blame the victims’ mothers for being too cold,… Read more »

George
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George

The rise in autism may also have a lot to do with non-stop 24 hour mind-numbing advertisment strewn entertainment and immersion in the virtual worlds of computer games, mobile phones and the internet. Not to mention the compulsively expanding racks of dazzling multi-coloured consumer items – all declaring themselves to be completely different from each other but in fact differing by miniscule amounts.

Mulga Mumblebrain
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Mulga Mumblebrain

If humanity survives, a highly doubtful prospect, our future descendants will look back on the psychological and spiritual molestation and manipulation of advertising, let alone its ubiquitous pollution of every available space, as one of the gravest evils that twisted, greed-driven, pathopsychology ever concocted.

manfromatlan
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Doesn’t address those children who developed autism symptoms after receiving their shots at the age of 2 though. https://www.naturalnews.com/047072_MMR_vaccine_autism_government_coverup.html A Freedom of Information Act (FOIA) request filed in the UK has forced the Department of Health to release confidential documents outlining the details of MMR’s initial approval back in the 1980s. These documents reveal that GlaxoSmithKline (GSK), the manufacturer of the MMR vaccine Pluserix, knew that there were problems with the vaccine causing a high rate of adverse events in children. Among these were encephalitis and other conditions associated with autism. Concerned that the British government was withholding information about… Read more »

George
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George

I didn’t put forward my suggestion in the spirit of an absolute Either/Or. I’m just saying that the speeded up, belligerent tsunami of non-stop entertainment, various realms of virtual reality, and – something I didn’t previously mention – the constant pressure from advertisers to instilll a sense of constant self-loathing also contributes. We may be heading to an autistic society. If it’s not already here. Capitalism encourages sociopathic behaviour.

manfromatlan
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We’re good. As a parent of autistic children then a holistic physician (now retired) I had to develop my own views on the subject. See Not Incurable- New research on Autism (2007)https://manfromatlan.blogspot.com/2007/12/not-incurable-new-research-on-autism.html and The Natural Treatment of Mental Illness (2012) https://manfromatlan.blogspot.com/2012/08/the-natural-treatment-of-mental-illness.html

manfromatlan
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manfromatlan
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An article I wrote in 2011: The Criminal Mind https://manfromatlan.blogspot.com/2011/09/criminal-mind.html
which shows the connection with increased levels of mental illness, psychopathy and depression in society.

Jen
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Jen

Has anyone noticed that the states recording the highest percentage increases in suicide rates in the CDC study from 1999 to 2016 appear to be either Republican-voting states or states with small populations living in small, perhaps mostly rural areas with low levels of investment in infrastructure and social and community institutions and networks? States with small populations are naturally going to record very high jumps in the suicide rate if the initial suicide rate figure in 1999 is very low. So that is a statistical feature to bear in mind. On the other hand, the states recording decreases or… Read more »

aallord
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aallord

Political in red state/blue state? Nevada is red (1% decrease)… Minnesota is blue (38%-58%), Vermont is blue (38%-58%) while New Hampshire is red (38%-58%)…. My only point here is maybe, just maybe we should stop looking at the red state/blue state aspects and dig deeper into the American society as a whole… We can always look at the minuscule and then we miss the obvious..

Jen
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Jen

I didn’t say or imply that the voting record across the US had anything to do with the increase or decrease in suicide rates in different states. There appears to be some correlation between voting record and + or – changes in the suicide rates which can be put down to sociological factors influencing voting patterns in the various states. Democrat voters tend to be urban dwellers living in cosmopolitan cities on the seaboard and Republican voters are likely to live far inland where the economy is not doing so well. They may also be living in areas where access… Read more »

Fair dinkum
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Fair dinkum

The most tragic measure of ‘successful’ nation.

rtj1211Rhys Jaggar
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One tends to suspect that if the suicide decision is logical then many or all of the following will pertain: 1) They have no stake in the future – no children, no hope of children, no access to any children they do have; 2) No stake in the present – no career, no prospect of a career, no prospect of financial prosperity; 3) No emotional bonds – broken family, no emotional support, no community integration; 4) No affiliation to a prevalent value system – dissociation from national values, lack of religious faith, no feeling of belonging; 5) No realistic goals… Read more »

Jen
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Jen

“… No affiliation to a prevalent value system – dissociation from national values, lack of religious faith, no feeling of belonging …”
When I saw this part of your statement, goaded by the malicious side of my nature, I couldn’t resist looking up Utah’s suicide rate and the rate of increase in that state’s suicide rate from 1999 to 2016: it’s been a whopping 46.5%.
https://www.sltrib.com/news/2018/06/07/suicide-rates-rise-sharply-in-utah-and-across-the-country-new-report-shows/
Yup, that’s Utah, where over half the population belongs to the Church of Latter-Day Saints which lays heavy importance on the family as an institution.

James Graham
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I’m Scottish. I’m not familiar with the US. The Latter-Day Saints are non-Catholic….Protestant. I studied Social Science. I’d expect to find suicide rates are higher for Protestants and lower for Catholics.

Jen
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Jen

In Europe, the nations that reported the highest suicide rates in 2012 according to a World Health Orgaisation study were Lithuania, Russia and Hungary. Two of these countries are traditionally majority-Catholic countries. Suicide rates were generally higher for eastern European countries than western European countries: one indication that changing from socialist societies to capitalist societies is not resulting in a better life for many people.
https://jakubmarian.com/suicide-rates-by-country-in-europe/
Curiously the Republic of Ireland reported a higher suicide rate than the UK did that year.

manfromatlan
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Here’s a scholarly refutation of your generalized statement about suicide rates in ‘Catholic’ Lithuania, ahem. http://www.mdpi.com/2077-1444/9/3/71/pdf D Gailienė Mar 5, 2018 – The Lithuanian case is intriguing because before WWII, along with Catholic Poland, it showed much lower suicide rates than its Protestant neighbours Latvia and Estonia. However, today Lithuania is among the leading countries in terms of the prevalence of suicide. Abstract: Religion as a protective factor against suicide was introduced in Durkheim’s theory of suicide and analysed from various perspectives in multiple studies. The Lithuanian case is intriguing because before WWII, along with Catholic Poland, it showed much… Read more »

Jen
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Jen

What part of my comment was Danute Gailiene’s article refuting? And is that question about Russia experiencing “long-term politics of atheisation” – well, Russia used to be part of the Soviet Union – supposed to be a rhetorical question? All that I was showing was that while national or regional suicide rates may correlate with particular religious denominations, the links are not due to cause-and-effect. Possibly the correlations may relate to particular cultural values and institutions that existed in some countries before they became Christian and which ended up being valued by the particular religious denominations that became dominant in… Read more »

manfromatlan
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Since you quoted a study then used your own interpretation to back your argument In Europe, the nations that reported the highest suicide rates in 2012 according to a World Health Organisation study were Lithuania, Russia and Hungary. Two of these countries are traditionally majority-Catholic countries. Suicide rates were generally higher for eastern European countries than western European countries: one indication that changing from socialist societies to capitalist societies is not resulting in a better life for many people. and seem congenitally incapable of seeing the actual studies and links I provided refute every one of your ill informed cultural… Read more »

James Graham
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