WATCH: Janette McKinlay, 9/11 Survivor at Ground Zero
Janette McKinley lived just a few blocks from the World Trade Center complex in NYC. When the towers collapsed on September 11 2001 the windows of her apartment were blown in and her home was drenched with the toxic dust.In this unedited raw interview by Dylan Avery, subsequently edited for inclusion in his Loose Change film, Janette recalls the events of that day in vivid and very personal terms.
The toxic dust that was likely the cause of a malignant brain tumour that eventually killed Janette in 2010. In a form of poetic justice it was also a sample of that dust, which Janette saved from her apartment, that permitted Dr. Steven Jones et al to discover what they claim is evidence for pre-planted explosives in the WTC towers.
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Is anyone a lawyer? This page does not look serious at all to me. http://vealetruth.com/ William Veale was supposed to have represented April Gallop against Cheney, Rumsfeld and Myers who dismissed the claim on the grounds it was trivial. OMG! I just watched about half of the video. Janette is so obviously an actor. She starts off with the typical “actual truth” psyop line, “I thought it was a bomb”. How many times have we heard that one in the recent spate of staged events. She smiles all the way through, giving zero indication that she suffered through a horrible experience, and she trots out the lines about the commission being a joke and so on. It’s so damn obvious. I believe that to really get 9/11 it very much helps to have a certain steeping in all the recent staged events. The steeping helps you get a feel for… Read more »
Sorry, “frivolous” suit not “trivial.”
It becomes ever more urgent that you define what you mean. Right now you are behaving exactly like an agent paid to discredit with lunatic and poorly reasoned theories.
As I say, it helps to have a steeping in recent staged events and to know their hallmarks. Have you looked at Sandy Hook, Ottawa shooting, Manchester, Westminster, Las Vegas, San Bernardino, London Bridge, etc. If you haven’t then what I say might seem silly but if you have it makes much more sense. Staged events have hallmarks such as one I mentioned in another comment, spelling names in a variety of ways. They also have people say things that don’t quite add up or seem appropriate. Here William Veale says that April Gallop “apparently” helped other people after the bombing at the Pentagon. He’s her lawyer and he says “apparently”. Wouldn’t he know her story backwards? Of course, you could say he just says that because he doesn’t know for sure or it’s just a slip of the tongue but when you watch so many videos of these actors… Read more »
Oh my, Flaxgirl, your reasoning is anything but linear! Firstly, let’s agree to leave out all the other psyops (I don’t doubt they are that), simply because I have no data, and also because the fact one event may or may not be “staged” has no direct bearing on whether another unrelated event was. Secondly, let’s agree what we are going to consider evidence and what we are going to exclude. Subjective interpretations of subjective personal statements – are they evidence? No. Not in a scientific sense and only barely in a legal sense. Unless you’re a qualified forensic psychologist you can’t sit in the witness stand and have your opinion about what someone else’s words mean entered into the evidence record. And there’s a good reason for that – such personal, subjective interpretations can’t be measured or evaluated and are therefore meaningless as evidence. You are entitled to your… Read more »
You’re absolutely right, PSJ, seemingly strange use of the word “apparently” by William Veale will not stand up in court as evidence of any kind. However, you nor anyone else has given me any reason whatsoever to believe the 3000-died story. Do you have any falsifiable evidence to convince me?
I think my mind naturally tends to a kind of Occam’s Razor-type thinking. It automatically goes into the mode of, “How does this piece fit with all the other pieces? Does this new piece recast my thinking about the other pieces? Do all the pieces now support more this hypothesis or that hypothesis?” That is why within a very short time of the cogs starting to turn while half-watching the William Rodriguez video on YouTube autoplay (seems so very random), I had no doubt that it was a double-psyop. All the pieces fit double-psyop so much better than single-psyop. It’s funny, the one thing I had so much difficulty reconciling with the single-psyop was Mark Walsh’s interview. He seemed so jolly and obviously the reporter would have to be in on it too and it just did not fit. Sure, I totally swallowed Bob McIlvaine (he actually produces tears –… Read more »
I find it ironic that everyone’s OK with the idea that the US government killed 3,000 people in cold blood in those buildings when they managed to fake the terrorists, the planes, the hijackings and the crashes and convince people that fire brought the buildings down but when you come out and say, “Hey, they’re not actually so evil – I just worked out they faked absolutely everything, including the 3,000 people dying by using clever propaganda aimed just at truthers – because, after all, they had no reason to kill them and dealing with the loved ones of 3,000 people would be an absolute nightmare,” I’m met with no agreement whatsoever with what, to me, is an eminently logical hypothesis which has evidentiary support. Instead, I’m told there is an “urgent” requirement for me to define what I mean. I simply do not understand why saying that people who… Read more »
I can only assume, Admin, you haven’t done due diligence. When Manchester, Westminster, Charlie Hebdo and all the rest happened did you investigate them properly? I myself am not a diligent researcher. I’m a little on the lazy side. However, it only takes a few YouTube videos showing how these events are hoaxes to pick it up. You probably didn’t do that despite a number of commenters, including myself, saying these were staged events. You didn’t clarify for yourself that they were. Now that there’s this turnaround information that shows that 9/11 was, we could say, a double-psyop, you’re not mentally prepared for it. You think what I say is lunatic. It is not. It is perfectly reasoned and the 9/11 psyop is completely consistent with all the other ones except it has that nice little touch of being a double-psyop with its propaganda (using what we might term “double-agents”)… Read more »
flax – I’m not debating you or refuting you, I’m asking you to define what you mean. Which you refuse to do.
Simple question – what do you think really happened on 9/11?
I’m very happy to tell you what I mean, Admin. I don’t know what you mean though by “tell you what I mean.” I thought I had told you. What I think happened on 9/11 was reasonably similar to the Manchester bombing. For the Manchester bombing they simulated a bomb with sounds of explosions and then had everyone exit the building away from the alleged bomb area so people who were there may well have thought a bomb went off and killed people but all that happened was the sounds of explosions. Then every single media outlet showed us exactly the same single blurry photograph of the alleged bomb scene which in no shape or form resembled the carnage described. So very, very, very basic. Amazing how easy psyops can be. I find it sad the way people defend these psyops so strenuously and passionately. For goodness sake, all you… Read more »
I didn’t notice the headline of the Manchester bombing article with the the alleged image of the bomb scene:
“Full of young girls wearing kitten ears was the softest target.”
I mean, could they make it more obvious.
It just occurred to me how very low-budget the actual psyop was. Very conveniently the bomb “exploded” at the close of the concert so everyone just exited as they normally would have and wherever the bomb was alleged to have gone off was screened off. They did make quite a big effort with the crisis actors afterwards though. I find most of them completely nauseating but I do have a soft spot for Paula Robinson. I think she should get some sort of crisis actor award. UK Critical Thinker has done some great videos on Manchester but unfortunately his channel has been banned. You can get them on 153news.net which doesn’t play as well as YouTube but here’s Paula Robinson and her utterly ludicrous story on YT. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AANMKu393LU
Admit to what? I’m NOT wrong. I didn’t question if Dr. Wood was on Fetzer’s program. I question if she made that statement (which I still believe she didn’t). I would rather spend Summer sitting on my deck and enjoy the park* behind me than listen to Fetzer’s whining and gritty voice for 78 minutes. If you know the time stamp, please provide it and I will listen to your claim.
https://www.voanews.com/a/from-golf-range-to-free-range/3304757.html
[3,000 dead — and counting. The ongoing killing by the Bush regime’s 911 terrorist atrocity]: 9/11 Victim Compensation Fund Reports conducted by the EPA [U$ Environmental Protection Agency — Hah! Hah!] led first responders and residents to believe there was no immediate danger from the dust that erupted after the twin towers collapsed. The EPA stated that the air in Manhattan was safe to breathe in as little as 2 days after 9/11. [Hence my call for honest public services in the Western World] Unfortunately, [in the real world] countless health issues have emerged as a result of people inhaling the resulting dust from the collapse of the World Trade Centers—mostly respiratory diseases including asbestos-related diseases like mesothelioma. The James Zadroga 9/11 Health and Compensation Act was signed into law in 2011 [by President Obomba] to help the victims of exposure to the toxins released on 9/11. The act pays… Read more »
re my prev post “[was renewed in 2015 after activist lobbying]” Lobbying means that we The Citizens must organize to make the life of Our MP more difficult than his / her Parliamentary Party whip can make it. They Work for You: http://www.renew911health.org/ The Problem While Federally-funded health care and medical monitoring for thousands of injured and ill 9/11 responders and survivors has been made permanent, the compensation program for those same responders and survivors will expire in 2020 even as we are expecting thousands more cancer cases from exposure to 9/11 toxins in the coming years. We must make sure that doesn’t happen. Who Are We Citizens for the Extension of the James Zadroga Act Inc. was created by the unions and groups that worked to get Washington to respond to the health crisis facing so many injured and ill 9/11 responders and survivors. Citizens for the Extension will… Read more »
Since the whole claim of thermite in the WTC dust is disinformation spread by Steven “Los Alamos” Jones it stands to reason the “dust samples” he used were part of the disinfo. Janette McKinlay was simply another operative.
Dr Judy Wood is the only scientist who has brought genuine analysis to the science of 9/11. She lost her job for doing it and has been shunned. Jones “retired” with a pay rise and “professor emeritus” status.
Jones was also complicit in destroying cold fusion in 1989. He was employed by the Department of Energy to discredit the work of Pons and Fleischmann
Do you have any evidence for any of these libellous claims? If you don’t produce any we’re going to take down this comment.
@Admin. Please, I am no Lawyer but — unless Admin fears the respondents may sue Off-G — pray allow EC’s pathetic and transparent libels on Steve Jones & Janette McInlay to stand. This feeble troll is a sign of desperation by the criminal conspiracy behind 911 — the days when the AZC who set up the Bush / Cheney regime to commit the horrendous crime on WTC, and call on World Class Liars like Tony B.L. to justify them, are past.
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Is that you, Cass Sunstein? Or are you getting your missus, the fragrant Samantha, to do your dirty work?
Those who want to cover up the evidence of what happen often falsely claim that Dr. Wood is talking about a specific weapon and a specific location of it (e.g. laser beam from outer space, or “spacebeams”). This disinformation campaign was initiated by Steven Jones on 11/11/2006 in a presentation he gave at the University of California, Berkeley.[ available here at 1:53:47 https://archive.org/details/ liftingthefog_2006_11_11_ session2 ], telling his audience that “Judy Woods (Dr. Wood) says it’s a laser or maser from space” while showing how difficult it is to hold his hand like a beam from space. Not only does Dr. Wood NOT SAY THAT, she actually RULES THAT OUT. The mechanism of destruction of a laser beam would be from heat and produce a bright and blinding light. But we know the buildings were not cooked to death. The term Directed Energy is used because energy is directed to… Read more »
Judy Wood claimed the “star wars beam weapon” was located in space on Jim Fetzer’s radio show, November 11 2006. If she later retracted this idea that doesn’t mean it wasn’t current when Jones made his observation.
“Space beam” seems a perfectly reasonable description for a laser or maser located in space, doesn’t it? Another question might be why Wood changed her hypothesis without acknowledging she’d done so, and indeed why she and her supporters tried to pretend she had never said what she did in fact say.
“Judy Wood claimed the “star wars beam weapon” was located in space on Jim Fetzer’s radio show, November 11 2006.” I don’t believe you. Give me the link.
http://www.checktheevidence.com/audio/911/Jim%20Fetzer%20&%20Prof%20Judy%20Wood%20on%20RBN%20Live%20-%20WTC%20Destruction%2011%20Nov%202006.mp3
Admin gave you the link. Are you going to admit you were wrong?
Admit to what? I’m NOT wrong. I didn’t question if Dr. Wood was on Fetzer’s program. I question if she made that statement (which I still believe she didn’t). I would rather spend Summer sitting on my deck and enjoy the park* behind me than listen to Fetzer’s whining and gritty voice for 78 minutes. If you know the time stamp, please provide it and I will listen to your claim.
https://www.voanews.com/a/from-golf-range-to-free-range/3304757.html
Why are people obsessed about this? I was correct. Dr. Wood did not make a definitive claim the weapon was in space on Fetzer’ program. She didn’t have all the answers then. Why was Dr. Wood expected to have them? Jim Fetzer: “I must say I think we’re finding out Judy, what happened on 9/11. I’m just blown away by your work. This is the most fascinating development in the history of the study of 9/11 … I’m going to make a wild guess Judy; I’m going to presume that these [directed energy] beams had to be located in Building 7?” Judy Wood: “Nope. I don’t think so.” (It’s unlikely it was in building 7 because building 7 was destroyed the same way.) Fetzer: “Planes?” Judy Wood: “No … I think it’s very likely it’s in orbit.” Fetzer: “Oh Really?? Oh ho ho ho ho! Oh Judy. Oh my oh… Read more »
Thank you for acknowledging that Wood was indeed the first person to posit the the theoretical “Star Wars beam” weapon came from space. Perhaps now you will stop falsely claiming she never made such a claim?
She did not make a definitive statement. “I think it’s very likely it’s in orbit.” is not definitive. Frequently Asked Questions & Answers 1 The Twin Towers were destroyed faster than physics can explain by a free fall speed “collapse.” 2 They underwent mid-air pulverization (dustification) and were turned to dust before they hit the ground. 3 The protective bathtub was not significantly damaged by the destruction of the Twin Towers. 4 The rail lines, the tunnels and most of the rail cars had only light damage, if any. 5 The WTC underground mall survived well, witnessed by Warner Bros. Road Runner and friends. There were reports that “The Gap” was looted. 6 The seismic impact was minimal, far too small based on a comparison with the Kingdome controlled demolition. 7 The Twin Towers were destroyed from the top down, not bottom up. 8 The demolition of WTC7 was whisper… Read more »
Get EC’s 35 comrades to upvote you.
Big chuckles , (hear my end) , Mulga 🙂
Nice one bro 😉
@Phar. Nano-thermite is the obvious candidate for a Controlled Demolition job — and that is why the Bush regime’s Official Commission (chaired by AZC dual Israeli-U$ agent Philip Zelikow — see Ian Sheehy’s post above) carefully avoided looking for it.
You should seek help for that verbal diarhea.
You must therefore not be aware an 18 month peer reviewed scientific analysis of dust samples from 4 locations around the WTC site was already carried out by a team of scientists led by Dr Niels Harrit phd. The research paper was published in the Banthem Open Chemical Physics Journal in 2009 and it concluded large quantities of Nano Thetmite was present in the demolition of the WTC.
http://aneta.org/NielsHarrit_org/index.htm
Steven Jones is a hero
It’s starting to dawn on me that the level of disinformation is just so enormous that it’s best not to focus at all on things that aren’t particularly relevant and just stick with what is known to be true. What the perps love is disagreement between groups. Judy Wood may well be part of the psyop: having people follow her and people follow the nanothermite and people follow whatever else is EXACTLY what they want, just like the noplaners and the planers etc and the really big divide – the believers and the truthers. This is what we know to be true: —9/11 was a psyop. —WTC-1, WTC-2 and WTC-7 came down by controlled demolition – what exactly brought them down really doesn’t matter. —The footage of Flight 175 melting into the South tower is computer-generated imagery (CGI). Planes do not melt into steel frame buildings. That is a physical… Read more »
What does a plane look like when it impacts a high rise building? Before we can say the footage was faked we need to look at comparable real footage, or at least a very good computer simulation. Until we do, we’re using argumentum ad populum (“everyone knows” X is true), which is NOT evidence.
You could be correct, but without data we can’t draw conclusions.
And there is the problem of the data that supports some form of plane impact, such as the oscillation of the towers, and the plane debris found at Ground Zero.
Is it possible this was all faked? Sure, but show us why this is more likely (no, not why you THINK it’s more likely why, objectively, evidentially, it’s more likely).
By the way, I agree with your first two points.
Lets look at this through the psyop lens. In this psyop what we can infer is that the perps’ agenda was to: —Bring down the buildings in the WTC (all the buildings were eventually destroyed and it seems not only as a result of the crashes of the twin towers and WTC-7, for example, WTC-6 was hollowed and WTC-5 was ablaze) – for what reasons I’m not sure (especially as it seems we have been fed propaganda about their reasons) but we can only infer that that is what they wanted. —Terrorise the population by making them believe that: ——19 terrorists had hijacked 4 planes to crash them into at least three iconic buildings and probably a fourth, a seeming attempt that failed due to people on the plane managing to stop the terrorists. ——these terrorist acts had caused the death of 3,000 people in the planes and the buildings.… Read more »
Oops! Newtons third law if motion – For every action not for every reaction.
Thirty-five up-votes? A ‘flush mob’, perhaps.
@EC
Are you seriously suggesting that the collapse of the three buildings, WTC 7 , WTC 1 & WTC 2, was NOT a series of CONTOLLED DEMOLITIONS ???
Let’s keep this all nice and simple , eh ..
Yes or No ? Controlled demolitions or not, simple science ! Your Binary conclusion .. ???
Regarding 9/11 I was surprised to read just recently that the singer Donna Summer believed the lung cancer that killed her…she didn’t smoke…was from the toxic debris she breathed in that morning in the streets of Lower Manhattan.
@McNulty. Thanks for the info. The family spokesman did not mention which type of non-smoking lung cancer, saying that medical details are confidential. But if Donna’s cancer was really due to breathing in asbestos dust from the explosive demolition of WTC on 911 2001, then it most likely would have been Pleural Mesothelioma. This is a rare cancer, and a significant indicator of asbestos in the air; that is why I wrote to FlaxGirl it is important to have an honest epidemiological record of Pleural Mesothelioma incidence in Manhattan both before and after 911, right up to 2101.
[Search domain http://www.asbestos.com] Pleural mesothelioma is a rare malignant cancer caused by asbestos. Almost 75 percent of cases form in the pleura, which is the soft tissue that covers the lungs.
https://www.asbestos.com/mesothelioma/pleural/
vexarb, I do not mean to suggest that people are not dying agonising deaths of contaminants they were exposed to at Ground Zero. I find it hard to believe that people are not, however, that does not mean that they don’t have fake people pretending they are – these people can be used to propagandise whatever material aimed at truthers. With their psyops they generally mix fake into the real. There are fake witnesses mixed in with the real witnesses and fake whistleblowers mixed in with the real. It works a treat. I learnt this from Francis Richard Conolly’s film JFK to 9/11 Everything is a Rich Man’s Trick, where he points out the mixture of the real and fake witnesses with regard to the JFK assassination. This film was what awoke me to 9/11 and how the world is run generally. There’s an awful lot in that film that… Read more »
And the piece de resistance fake witness is of course Mark Walsh who, two hours after the event, told us how he saw “the plane ream through to the other side,” knew that the buildings fell due to “structural failure”, and referred to Ground Zero, the point below the detonation of a massive bomb. Due to Newton’s Third Law of Motion that states that “for every action there is an equal and opposite reaction” and because we instinctively know that in a collision between a Mack truck and a small sedan we don’t care which of the vehicles is travelling at 200km an hour or which is stationary, we’d choose to be in the Mack truck – we know that plane shown melting into the South Towers as was shown us on 9/11 has to be computer-generated imagery and they certainly do not ream through to the other side as… Read more »
Yeah, I never have, nor will bother to read anything about Bin there or Bin that, forget it, that is just bullshit and even in the officiale FBI, BIn-whatever was ONLY to be taken in as an Surspect/vitness, do you understand, that is where its standing, the fact they killed him, dont alter shit, other then of course, an corps dont talk, it simply pays to wack people, why do you think the Joojos are doing it, it pays thats why. Again, this time I think we all know the tower story is something weird, things dont ad, and when they dont ad, or is incosivable with facts as free fal, I know they are just two things, either ignorant, witch is “understandable” but not acsptable, to people lying, there is no inbetweens here. I was “lucky”, since I worked night shift, and had some days off, and was home… Read more »
If only the Con-Artists of NIST were truly Architectural artists, interested in Ikebana, History & Science, then the global PTSD, (Perverted Twisted (Sodding)/Systemic Dissonance) would have been worked through by now: I quote:- “NIST responded that there was no “clear chain of custody” to prove that the four samples of dust came from the WTC site. Jones invited NIST to conduct its own studies using its own known “chain of custody” dust, but NIST did not investigate. ” No problem NIST ! USE YOUR own SAMPLES you firkin’ SCIENTIFIC MORONS, better said Liars !! No no no, reality definitely dictates that the NIST ‘chain of custody’ should be with ball & chain :- They are just plain LIARS that belong in Prison ! However, Thank ‘feck’ for Ikebana Artists & Steven E. Jones of the BYU, exposing the Military Grade Explosive Agent, that was then in its’ height of testing… Read more »
Lots of comment here. I have one word to add: “israel”.
Jews, the “is”, and zionists were all over 911. NORAD was stood down. Dov Zakheim was everywhere. Cui bono?
I have spoken.
Funny as th e resident trolls are trying hard to take over, Yes I call on you Flaxgirl, a typical stooge if I ever saw one.
No ad hom please. Keep to discussion of the subject.
it would seem incredible that some group which had devised such a massive,history-changing event as 9/11 would NOT have a thorough, ongoing,hugely-financed cover-up,and strategy with a range of fall-backs and limited hangouts long in place, if necessary to last decades nor would not have considered the rather paltry need to satisy live witnesses to every incident, but on the old arguments rumble seemingly without even a thorough examination of ALL THE EVIDENCE which is exactly what keeps the lid on it all….” the best way to control the Opposition is to lead it ourselves”
Some people here are of their rockers. They harm non MSM news greatly with their fucking lunacy ideas, their idoitic involved conspiracies, talmudic and what not.
Why dont you go and read your Tarot cards ? Conspiracies excist, but many of the postings here are simply insane and loony.
My comment was entirely about the event. It happened. Who or whom was behind it, I do not know. What I know is that it all facts added are something is improbable, it is not natural.
The events at 9/11 in most circumstances defies scientific research, and no one has yet explained the residue from nano termite. No one. My sisters in laws (?) are quite confident in the official explanation, and will not hear anything else. And I will not trouble them, they are old and needs peace somehow.
But facts are undeniable, and the Evil Empire stands in the middle, and has not credibly refuted anything.
The US today is a dictatorship, cleverly disguised as a democracy (HA!) , where you can choose your brand of bought of politicians. Coool ehh?
Do it the Baader Meinhoff way, kill politicians that that lie.
This sort of discussion can so easily distract from the core of the matter and have us doubting the evidence of our own eyes an ears. Reminds me of a quote from ‘The Exorcist’: [Father Merrin to Father Karras] “Especially important is the warning to avoid conversations with the demon. We may ask what is relevant but anything beyond that is dangerous. He is a liar. The demon is a liar. He will lie to confuse us. But he will also mix lies with the truth to attack us. The attack is psychological, Damien, and powerful. So don’t listen to him. Remember that – do not listen.” I don’t particularly mean the “do not listen” part, but we do need to consider who it is we are listening to, and what they might stand to gain by encouraging us to see things their way. Personally, I consider the media silence… Read more »
What exactly happened on the day, who was involved, who knew beforehand and did nothing, etc, etc, to a certain extent, was and is not irrelevant. The real issue is that the Deep State was ready and prepared (with the their pre-existing 750+ page USA PATRIOT Act, etc) for the ‘new Pearl Harbor’ as conceptualized by PNAC. As Karl Rove said, the Deep State will create a ‘reality’ (911 was al Qaeda), and the ordinary people can discuss and dissect it but the Deep State will move on and create a new ‘reality’ (Saddam Hussein has WMD). Rinse and repeat.
One key factor following 911 is that the event in itself wasn’t sufficient for the US PATRIOT Act to be passed. It took the anthrax false flag against key reporters and US lawmakers opposed to its passage for the law to be rammed through. The anthrax attack has been disappeared.
I pretty much agree with everything you say, but some of the things you mention as not relevant do actually become relevant if one looks ahead to some sort of possible mechanism for stopping future ‘Deep States’ in their infantile tracks.
This is no ordinary carelessness we’re dealing with here.
@Yonatan. The anthrax hoax disappeared the day after it did its work. When the anthrax story was broadcast on the Beeb I remember saying to my wife that it should not take more than half an hour of gene sequencing to show trace where the sample came from. The deafening silence on its provenance next day confirmed that the anthrax samplse must have come from a lab in the U$A. Like the present silence on St.Theresa’s Novichok proves it came from Porton Down.
Postulating that there were no victims of 9/11 is rubbish and simply cruel. Postulating that no planes hit the towers is likewise rubbish. Most people who witnessed the events unfolding, myself included, know what we saw. And know what we heard been said. I know a person who was on the spot, a tourist, and I trust what she has told me (14 days after the attack), people died, many people, she saw people falling, people crushed, people waving from windows the towers on fire and then she decided to get out of there. She was due for a trip to the top of the towers, she had an American boyfriend who invited her to see his workplace. He did NOT make it. He died trapped near the top, in tower one, along with many others. Although she, at the moment of the collapse, “not close” (4 kilometers away) she… Read more »
No disrespect King Kong but your sister could be a disinformation agent who keeps her work very private and so, of course, could you. Now that I’ve woken up to the propaganda that is directed at the truthers what you say seems to be in that format. It reads a bit like a checklist: the money! the previous false flags! the explosions! the buildings came down by controlled demolition (I’m a civil engineer)! BUT the people really died – my sister was there. Can you say anything convincing to show that you aren’t a disinformation agent?
But then the same could be said of you, and of me, and of everyone. Maybe the buildings were never really there (did you ever see them?). Maybe the “dust” was a lie.
Don’t you see this is the ultimate self-destruction of the Truth movement?
People died. They are still finding pieces of human bone on the roofs of adjoining buildings.
“They are still finding pieces of human bone on the roofs of adjoining buildings.” So they say and we know that “they” lie, lie their heads off, in fact. So the fact that they say they’re still finding pieces of human bone doesn’t really mean anything at all, does it? If they had staged deaths that’s exactly what they would say, isn’t it? They say that the twin towers and WTC-7 came down from fire. I take it you don’t believe that so why do you assume the human bone story to be true? I believed that people died for 4 years after awakening to the fact of inside job so now believing that they didn’t is not a belief I rushed into. But then suddenly all the pieces came together. We know that 9/11 was an inside job and we know that they stage events pretending people died when… Read more »
So you think the perps are happy for it to be known the US govt deliberately blew up the buildings, but don’t want us to know no one died? Why? Surely, the reverse would be true? If no one died the perps are only guilty of deception, not the slaughter of 3,000 innocent people. In fact you could argue the REAL psyop is the one that has convinced you no one died, thereby absolving Cheney etc of the crime of mass murder. After all, why do the people who claim things like “no planes” and “no one died” get far less vitriol from the MSM than those producing hard evidence of controlled demolition? Did any of this gang ever lose their job or get vilified in the media? Maybe because the “no one died” gang are the real disinfo people? That’s the problem with these kinds of hypotheses, they are… Read more »
Admin : After all, why do the people who claim things like “no planes” and “no one died” get far less vitriol from the MSM than those producing hard evidence of controlled demolition? Did any of this gang ever lose their job or get vilified in the media? * That assertion is very difficult to quantify, let alone prove … Simon Shack’s work with September Clues and 9/11 Vicsims predates the current “nobody died” paradigm, which is a relatively recent phenomenon, frequently occurring since the Sandy Hook farce. There is abundant evidence that some “characters” in some scripts are invented, or at least are false representations of real people, who may already be deceased before the alleged crime, or in some cases, like Sandy Hook, are real people who are still alive. The widepsread repetition of the “nobody died” mantra, I suspect might be part of Cass Sunstein’s Cognitive Infiltration… Read more »
Please everyone, just watch a Chris Bollyn Q&A and all is settled. He spent 12 yrs looking into 9/11, helped to find the evidence of thermite along with Dr Stephen Jones. His Phd was on Israel/Palestine and he knew the history of Zionist terrorism to gain their objectives. Add the Yinon Plan and involvement of scores of Zionists in the cover up and it’s clear that it was a US Zionist/Israeli Zionist construct and event. I’ll let Chris Bollyn add the many names and events/proof which complete the case.
Once you add Ronald Lauder to Silverstein (chats to Netanyahu for yrs)plus Chertoff, Zelikow, the neo cons of Wolfowitz, Dov Zakheim, Feith etc. To deny Zionism control of 9/11 is ridiculous. Plus the Israeli defence minister, Shaul Mofaz, being the 1 non US member of the Neo con group in Jan 2002 when they were deciding on US foreign policy. Who dealt with the families looking for 9/11 truth? It was Israeli agents Alvin K Hellerstein originally then Kenneth Feinberg and Sheila Birnbaum dealt with those holding out for the truth.
As Ariel Sharon allegedly shouted at Shimon Peres during an argument-‘We, the Jewish people, control America’. The latest evidence, the Harpie Haley screeching in Israel’s defence as the US exits the UN Human Rights body, thereby raising its moral credibility mightily. It is actually becoming tragi-comical under the reign of Trump.
But then, even if 3,000 people were not slaughtered, we still have no right to forget the escalation in Iraq following 911, which has led to a far greater number of people (not Americans, of course) being slaughtered there…
While Libya, Syria and others on the list follow.
At any rate, the 3,000 is either verifiable or it is not.
I live too far away from the US to be able to talk to anybody who was near, or involved in, the actual event, but there are plenty of people who lived right next door. Those are the people we should be asking. Who knows, perhaps a large number of them will turn out to be literate and articulate…?
Go for it, guys.
Get with the program-no-one was killed in Iraq! It’s all for show, I tell you!
So you think the perps are happy for it to be known the US govt deliberately blew up the buildings, but don’t want us to know no one died? Why? Surely, the reverse would be true? If no one died the perps are only guilty of deception, not the slaughter of 3,000 innocent people. There is logic in your question but there is also another logic. The logic is that the force for the truth of controlled demolition is very strong. A&E9/11Truth are doing an excellent job on that (although I think their organisation must be infiltrated) so that is a tide they cannot stop and perhaps they predicted that that truth would out. So to keep the whole thing alive they have to try to keep people believing that people died. If that leaks out beyond the truthers then they’re screwed. If people think no one died perhaps they’re… Read more »
And just to add – there seems to be a great taboo about suggesting that someone didn’t die once it’s suggested they did. People find it offensive. The power elite rely heavily on this taboo. If you say that someone didn’t die when someone says they did and, in fact, the person did die, you simply got it wrong. In the quest for truth we should not allow that taboo to get in our way. The alternative is just as offensive.
Just as a gesture toward the possibility you MIGHT be wrong and MAY therefore be insulting people whose loved ones really died, how about we all agree to avoid the ugly and rather childish word “vicsims”?
When I first saw the ‘no victims’ garbage concerning the Sandy Hook tragedy, I wondered if it was just lunatic paranoiacs on the loose. However I now tend to think it is a psy-ops ‘cognitive infiltration’ scheme to discredit all those who question the ‘Official Versions’ of all the various false-flags. Next we’ll hear that KAL007 was a hologram that fooled the Rooskies, the USS Liberty was never attacked AT ALL, and Kim Jung-un is really Schlomo McTavish from Hoboken.
As far as I know, there are two methods they employ to fake deaths: —they make people up (Sandy Hook perpetrator Adam Lanza, for example) —they say people died who didn’t (Sandy Hook children, for example) “Vicsim” is the term they use for the first kind (although, funnily enough, it wouldn’t apply properly to Adam Lanza because he was the alleged perp not a victim). What do you recommend I use for “vicsim” to indicate a “made-up person” that does not give offence? On 9/11 I believe the majority would have been the made-up type of death with a few faked ones but I haven’t looked at it closely enough For those who think Sandy Hook was real I have offered $5,000 to anyone who can come up with 10 points favouring “real” over “staged” event and I have done my own exercise. One person who desperately believes “real” has… Read more »
“The logic screams no dead people”
Try this: a cloud of dust, from very large, pulverised asbestos-dinosaur buildings, blanketed part of Manhattan for several days. The logic screams dead people.
https://abcnews.go.com/Health/Wellness/911-responders-plagued-cancer-asthma-ptsd/story?id=14427512
9/11 was a movie. We don’t know what was real and what wasn’t. They interspliced fake footage with real footage. However, I don’t think they claimed people died in the dust but only in the collapses of the towers and the bombings. Is there any convincing evidence of people dying in those situations?
9/11 was only a movie for those of us lucky enough to be many miles away and watching on TV. For those who were there it was real life, and death. Have you talked to any of the people who lived through that day? Have you interviewed them? Analyzed their testimony? Found reasons to dismiss it? Have you talked to any of the few remaining firefighters still alive? Have you sat with a guy struggling to breathe even with the help of pure oxygen, trying to get enough breath in his lungs to tell you about what he saw that day, the anger he feels? Did you speak to Janette McKinlay, or any of the people like her? Did you ask Bob McIlvaine if his son REALLY died? I feel as if this event is, indeed, a movie to you, or a computer game maybe. An intellectual exercise anyway, much… Read more »
My use of the term “TV show” to describe 9/11 references the fake aircraft, nothing more.
Re: “alleged eyewitnesses” to the alleged 9/11 “aircraft”, Andrew Johnson has a study of these at checkthevidence.com
Going in Search of Planes in NYC
http://www.checktheevidence.co.uk/cms/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=134&Itemid=60
MG
I’m not an investigator, PSJ, I’m an analyst. The interesting thing about psyops is that the truth is right there before your eyes, they just use psychology to misdirect you so that you don’t see it properly. Once you work it out that’s it. Can you not see that the logic of the operation simply does not include killing the 3,000 people? It’s a psyop. They want you to believe a whole lot of things and they make you believe those things generally without having to kill people. They could have staged the deaths of 3,000 people, couldn’t they? So that is, of course, what they would have done. Killing 3,000 of your own citizens like that just doesn’t fit. Sure, they’ll kill thousands, tens of thousands, hundreds of thousands in the Middle East and send lots of soldiers off to war on false pretences but they just wouldn’t kill… Read more »
@rilme. Thanks for the Lancet link. “According to two studies published Thursday in the British journal Lancet, these rescue workers continue to struggle with respiratory illness, etc …”.
https://www.thelancet.com/pdfs/journals/lancet/PIIS0140-6736(11)60967-7.pdf
So the criminals in the Bush / Cheney regime, who are undoubtedly behind 911, not only killed 3,000 people directly by explosive demolition but also continue to kill and maim people indirectly through Chemical Pollution of Manhattan. Janette’s cancer may well be one among the Lancet’s report of 30% increase in cancer rate — possibly from exposure to thermite-pulverised fluorescent bulbs (mercury, beryllium), and heavy metals (lead, copper) as well as afore-mentioned asbestos.
Tenth Anniversary of 9/11 Brings Threat Of Mesothelioma, Awareness of Asbestos Exposure
https://www.asbestos.com/news/2011/09/06/tenth-anniversary-9-11-mesothelioma-asbestos/
Not to mention the “elevated levels of Tritium and other exotics …
Study of Traces of Tritium at the World Trade Center
https://e-reports-ext.llnl.gov/pdf/241096.pdf
MG
@Mark Gobell. Thanks for the Link. They report Tritium well below radiation threshold, it could have come from smashed Luminous Watches and the like.
vexarb : it could have come from smashed Luminous Watches and the like …
and the “aircraft” EXIT signs and weapon night sights from the WTC armoury too, apparently …
It was determined that 3 million gallons of water were hosed on site in the fire-fighting efforts between 9/11 and 9/21 (the day of the tritium measurement …
all those luminous watches eh vexarb …
MG
I will answer your question again a little differently. Why? Surely, the reverse would be true? If no one died the perps are only guilty of deception, not the slaughter of 3,000 innocent people. In fact you could argue the REAL psyop is the one that has convinced you no one died, thereby absolving Cheney etc of the crime of mass murder. What you’re basing your reasoning on is that the perps would be at some point OK for their crimes to go to court and be charged with deception. No, no, no, no, no. They don’t want the crime to go to court EVER, they want to keep it away from court. I hypothesize that how they can do that best is to keep two distinct groups: —the truthers (with certain factions – the no planers/planers and perhaps a couple of other divisions) —the believers They are all about… Read more »
Oh, Flaxgirl, you seem like a very sincere person and you take the trouble to think about all this, which is so commendable, but do please see how perilous it is to embark on this particular speculation. As I said above, the consideration of if you’re right must also be weighed against the ethical question of what if you’re wrong. For that reason alone don’t you think any question of whether or not people died should be approached with maximum respect and allowance for error? And that such words as “vicsims” should be put aside, because if by any chance wrongly applied, then a small crime has been committed against decency. I can’t answer to Sandy Hook. I know nothing about the case and I can recognize an absence of data, but for 9/11? Other people beside the government have examined that dust. The USGS did, NIST did, and private… Read more »
There may well have been human fragments in the dust – added later. Do you have any links you can provide to this alleged evidence?
Well, here is one “mainstream” study.
https://projects.nfstc.org/trace/docs/Trace%20Presentations%20CD-2/Petraco.pdf
But I think it’s important you do that research yourself. You are making the assertion no one died. That puts the onus on you to provide the data to support the assertion.
Its important we adhere to scientific and analytic methods, no?
If you go to the Journal of 911 Studies or to the articles on AE911Truth you’ll find details of other dust analyses.
There are human remains in the dust, gathered from different locations, at different times by different people.
There were human remains in the dust gathered by Janette McKinlay! Do you suggest she or someone else added those to the sample after the fact?
That’s becoming absurd, flaxgirl, as I am sure you appreciate.
I’m afraid, PSJ, that 9/11 was a massive psyop so where evidence looks as if it could easily be fabricated we have to be extremely circumspect. The NIST reports were extremely fraudulent so why should we believe the one you link to? And I’m afraid there’s evidence that Janette McKinlay is part of the psyop. As Mark pointed out in his comment her name is spelt differently in various places. Spelling names differently here and there is a classic hallmark of psyops. I noticed actually with Pasquale Buzzelli’s name, the guy who “surfed” down 15 floors of the North Tower, that within the article they spelt his surname once with only one el. http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2198838/9-11-Survivors-Pasquale-Buzzelli-survived-surfing-wave-falling-debris-speaks-miracle.html It wasn’t me who made the first assertion. It was the media. They told us that 3,000 people died. Where’s the evidence? If the best you can do is a link to a document that claims… Read more »
With respect, flax, this is the unfalsifiable hypothesis again. There is physical evidence that has been produced to show human remains in the dust. Of course it COULD be faked, but you need to show evidence it is, or might be, before making that claim. If we are allowed to simply say “that could be faked” as a reason for dismissing evidence we can effectively use that argument to dismiss any evidence about anything, can’t we?
So what you’re saying is that 3,000 people could have been killed and the best that be come up with is unfalsiable evidence? That’s OK with you? Do you not think that only unfalsifiable evidence is evidence in itself?
It’s not me that has to come up with proof, it’s those claiming and believing that 3,000 died. Are you telling me that because the media has told us that 3,000 died it must be true and that it’s up to those who don’t believe it to provide proof that people didn’t die? Why do you take the media story as the default when we know that so many other things that they told us about 9/11 is completely false? Why is it up to others to prove it this alleged fact wrong when there are so many good reasons to suspect its falsity the major one being that it would be such an easy thing to fake and we are talking about a psyop here. Where in the agenda of this psyop would be written, “Let’s kill 3,000 people in the buildings because …????” Surely you want evidence for… Read more »
Are you saying
1.NO ONE was blown up inside those buildings
or
2.LESS THAN 3,000 people were blown up inside those buildings?
It’s a very crucial difference, so let’s clear that up first.
Admin, I can only infer that the fact that you ask me whether I think no deaths or less than 3,000 means I haven’t made my argument clear. I’ll try again. 9/11 was a massive psyop In a psyop they get you to believe certain things by made-up story and fakery of terrorists with boxcutters “crashing” planes into buildings and buildings crashing to the ground due to the faked plane crashes. Part of the psyop is also that you believe that those nasty terrorists managed to kill 3,000 people with their terrible plane crashes. Psyop. The logic of a psyop is that you fake everything and you only kill people if you want to or if necessary. So the questions are, “Did they want to kill the 3,000 people or, if they didn’t, was it necessary?” The answer to both those questions is a resounding no. We have no reason… Read more »
Flax, I believe you are being addressed by Prof Steven Jones himself. PSJ can confirm or deny it, but his previous comments on cold fusion and his prose style make it look likely to me.
What an honour for OffG.
But if it is he, don’t hold your breath waiting for a straight answer to a straight question!
If PSJ, whoever he/she may be, wanted his/her identity known he/she would have made it public. Maybe focus on the issues here and not the identities of who may be speaking or their perceived failings
Does that mean that I cannot call the BigB(oppa) ‘Brenda’, to get on friendly terms?
That’s between you and BigB 🙂
If you’re correct and the renowned Steven Jones (discoverer of thermite in the WTC dust, dismissed from his teaching post at BYU for saying he believed the towers were brought down by controlled demolition) is commenting here I for one appreciate his input. And if he chooses not to “out” himself I believe that’s more than understandable considering the vicious attacks he’s undergone over the last ten or more years.
If PSJ is indeed he or someone else makes no difference though. It’s what he says that counts, not who he is.
So, what’s your point EC?
@FlaxGirl. Sorry, I meant to give you 1 downvote but pressed the UP button and could not erase it. So, to balance the score, I gave you 10 downvotes for your many posts above, which show nothing but a subconscious desire to exercise excessive cruelty on a dead horse. (I presume that, by writing ‘I am an analyst’ you mean a psychiatrist).
If Admin can correct my mistake, only 1 downvote for Flax because normally she is a good Girl, she is.
NOTE FROM ADMIN: we can’t alter the number of up or down votes, unfortunately
When I say analyst I mean I use the hard work of others’ research and put it together in ways that can make better sense of it. There’s people calling others “disinfo agents”, there’s the massive work on the vicsims, there’s the massive work on the buildings and the planes. Then it all hits me that, of course, the perps would know that people would catch on to the buildings and the planes and that they would have propaganda developed just for us.
Dear Flax, I admired your news analysis up till this point — but there comes a time when paper alone proves counter productive. There is more than enough paper in this case.
“A moderate house of cards the greatest wit, / Though he can start it, cannot finish it”. — Goethe, Faust, trans. Louis McNeice
It is now time for the 911 case to be moved to trial, before an honest court in the real world. If the Western World cannot provide such an honest court (Nurenberg style?) to track down the criminals in the Bush regime together with their international co-conspirators, then the Western World is in deep trouble.
veaxarb : It is now time for the 911 case to be moved to trial, before an honest court in the real world. If the Western World cannot provide such an honest court (Nurenberg style?) to track down the criminals in the Bush regime together with their international co-conspirators, then the Western World is in deep trouble. The non-Zionic / Masonic world is indeed in grave trouble. The 911 trial idea is a good idea, although the “Nuremberg Process” were not “trials” as we know them, but International Military Tribunals. If the 911 Military Tribunals followed the Nuremberg Military Tribunals model, we could invent new laws to apply to those 911 crimes, that were not laws when the crimes were committed … We could also constitute the 911 IMT like the Nuremberg IMT and apply the “Nuremberg principle” where “the normal rules of evidence do not apply” … We could… Read more »
Yeh, we know, the Earth is flat too.
911 certainly happened, there is NO doubt, at least in any healthy brain. The genuine questions are, who did it, why, and how exactly.
Please go and FO. I know what my sister saw and the trauma she went through following it. Your postulations about her being a foreign agent are so insane I would do you bodily harm if I met you. I n fact it makes me angry.
You are a conspiracy nut, that does nothi g to resolve this case (or any other) your comments are general trope idiotic, lunatic and in all deference of facts.
I have pictures of this person who died, I still at x-mas speak with his parents. They lost a son and their one link is me and my sister.
Go and die under a bridge.
I am angry.
King Kong : Check “Operation Northwood”, Gestapo Google it. There is good evidence that the just-in-time release of the “Operation Northwoods document” on 30 April 2001, is also part of the planned ruse to provide “evidence” for the slogan, “9/11 was an inside job”, itself part of the psyop to blame it all on Bushco … The “Operation Northwoods document” was first presented to the world by James Bamford in his book Body of Secrets and the document leads directly to Michael Hayden, former director of the NSA as it’s source … The “Northwooods provenance” is covered by the French researcher, Laurent Guyénot’s in his most recent book, From Yahweh to Zion: Jealous God, Chosen People, Promised Land…Clash of Civilizations. Laurent Guyénot’s 3 part article : La double imposture du 11 Septembre / The double imposture of September 11 is infromative : Laurent Guyénot : Part 1 : https://www.egaliteetreconciliation.fr/La-double-imposture-du-11-Septembre-29074.html Laurent… Read more »
So, the Operation Northwoods stuff was released in order to provide people with the ammunition to show 9/11 was an inside job, as part of a grand scheme to fool everyone into believing it wasn’t an inside job?
Can’t we do better than this, people?
The mantra : “9/11 was an inside job” is described by the late Victor Thorn as “quite possibly the greatest example of Israeli propaganda ever devised” …
I agree.
The “Bush did it ” and “Inside job” mantras of Michael Moore et al, precludes “external job” does it not ?
“Inside job” infers that the 9/11 crime was perpetrated by the US government under it’s direct control of it’s own agencies.
Most folk, even a 9/11 ignoramus can understand that message.
There is nothing complicated or difficult to understand about this scenario, imo …
I suppose it’s acceptance depends upon one’s own position on the “inside job” construct.
Why do “we need to do better” Admin ?
Would the reason be so that your own understanding of the 9/11 crime, remains in tact and unchallenged ?
MG
Mark – it was a polite way of suggesting your need to peel the “conspiracy onion” is somewhat in advance of your need to be rational.
So, you are now claiming 9/11 WASN’T an inside job, and doing so in the name of being a Truther?
How is it any more plausible Mossad did this without help from the US establishment than it is al Qaeda did the same?
Great example of Trutherism consuming itself.
If you’re not deliberately trying to discredit everything from alternative history to climate scepticism, you should probably reconsider the effect you’re having by making the kind of pronouncements you make here. We do need to be politically aware do we not?
I note that you have not answered my question Admin and now you are expecting me to answer yours. Not the best way to have a discussion … MG : Why do “we need to do better” Admin ? MG : Would the reason be so that your own understanding of the 9/11 crime, remains in tact and unchallenged ? If I have understood your rather cryptic “suggestion” in the light of your subsequent “clarification”, you are suggesting that the negation of the contrived mantra : “9/11 was an insde job” is an irrational proposal ? Admin “So, you are now claiming 9/11 WASN’T an inside job, and doing so in the name of being a Truther?” What do you mean by “inside job” ? Admin : “How is it any more plausible Mossad did this without help from the US establishment than it is al Qaeda did the same?”… Read more »
Yes. What else does it mean?
Agreed, in fact we are running a short series on that very issue later this year. But the idea you misdirect a movement by pointing it in the right direction makes little sense.
“But the idea you misdirect a movement by pointing it in the right direction makes little sense.”
“The right direction” presumably, since you do not define it, being your own understanding of the 9/11 crime … vis the “Inside job” slogan …
Therefore, because you are, wedded to an idea, any other proposal becomes irrational …
Not circular logic at all …
MG
What does this mean ?
“If you’re not deliberately trying to discredit everything from alternative history to climate scepticism, you should probably reconsider the effect you’re having by making the kind of pronouncements you make here. We do need to be politically aware do we not?”
Also, since you mention “Al Qeada”, do you have any evidence that such an organisation ever existed ?
MG
For heaven’s sake, Mark. I don’t have time to laboriously explain everything I say to you multiple times. Your theories are counter-rational and unsourced. That’s a problem for us here. However you’e free to keep posting them.
Of course al Qaeda exists, it’s a database of US assets in the ME.
For heavens sake Admin, I don’t have time to laboriously try to understand everything you post, even though I have asked you to explain yourself … Your theory about the US government attacking it’s own people is counter-rational and unsourced. That’s not a problem for me as you are free to think whatever you like. What is a problem for me, is that I do not understand your posts. So I ask for clarificaiton and now you say you are too busy … Not the best way to have a discussion. If you are relying on the alleged “Northwooods document” as “antecedent evidence” for the “inside job” assertion, then, as my reply to King Kong illustrates, there is much to doubt about it’s provenance… Re: “Of course al Qaeda exists, it’s a database of US assets in the ME.” So, Princess Tony’s former Foreign Secretary, Robin Cook magically finds his… Read more »
You’re arguing against a ghost of your own creation. Move on.
I think not.
“arguing against a ghost of your own creation” is exactly what you are doing.
You are objecting to others having an alternative opinion about the “9/11 was an inside job”, contrived dogma.
You characterise that as “irrational”.
You are also asked to clarify your cryptic use of the English language, but you are too busy to do so, even though you can find the time to make other posts.
You accuse me of other things, but so far at least, refuse to back up those accusations with any evidence.
Your objections to anyone challenging your own, deeply embedded idea that, “9/11 was an insde job”, is your “ghost”, not mine …
MG
Just to add on a slightly different tangent. My belief is that they knew that a significant percentage of people would recognise controlled demolition so they simply go with that. They have their disinformation agents right along with that clear truth, however, how they misdirect is making us believe that people died. I don’t quite understand it but they don’t seem to be too worried about the controlled demolition – it’s just so damn obvious so how can they really be so worried in any case – but they really want people to believe that the 3,000 died. I don’t know exactly why it’s so much more threatening for them for complete hoax to be exposed rather than just inside job but that’s the way it seems to me.
The idea since the incident is not to peel an onion layer by layer to get to the truth, but to add layers to the onion in order to hide it more.
For what it’s worth, Building 7 looks like a classic controlled demolition but Buildings 1 and 2 were literally blown UP – as in the direction of the blasts. These heavy steel beams were launched upwards in an arc – they didn’t collapse ( as in fall straight down ) as they should have done if explosives and nano thermite was used.
The plane crashes may have been used to disguise the initial noise ( the most important initial damaging explosions ) at the base of the towers but I can’t say that as a fact. The fact is that Newtonian Laws
were broken that day – so the experts had best re-write the Physics books.
I’m afraid I don’t really get the big distinction between “inside job” and “inside/outside” job. I think most people think that a number of countries were involved, and “inside job” is simply a term that distinguishes the perpetrators of the crimes of the day from 19 guys with boxcutters. Of course, Israel was involved – I’d say few doubt that – but we also know Saudi Arabia and Pakistan were too and it would be very remarkable if the UK weren’t in some way. Obviously, Jane Standley pre-announcing WTC-7’s collapse is significant. And I vaguely read countries in Central Asia were involved. I mean, it’s humongous. To my mind the whole misdirection thing is not to do with which countries were involved but to ensure we think that people really died but I’m not sure why it’s so important to them.
I rather fancy it was a joint enterprise by the MOSSAD, various sayanim and the ‘Continuity of Government’ crew led by Cheney. I cannot see any two of these three doing it themselves. The Zionists for the ‘Clash of Civilizations’ war on Islam they needed for their Oded Yinon Plan ambitions to be realised, the sayanim for YUGE!! profits and Cheney et al for the control of Middle Eastern hydrocarbons, ‘…the greatest material prize in history’.
Let’s stop arguing about different interpretations of previous actions and act in a scientific manner. Follow the trail of evidence. As I mentioned, Chris Bollyn, immediately tarnished as an anti semite for suggesting Israeli involvement was attacked on his property by plain clothes federal agents. He fled to Sweden in fear for his life. He had massive knowledge of how Israel has historically used terrorism from its inception, including the King David hotel bombing, the USS Liberty, mass murder in Deir Yassin by Lehi etc. Ariel sharon, Yitzhak shamir, Menachem begin, Shimon Peres were all terrorists. The WTC complex was privatised off via Zionist Ronald Lauder to Zionist Larry Silverstein in July 2001. He then doubled the insurance and added a terrorism insurance.He was absent on 9/11 even though he was there every day since gaining ownership. Michael Chertoff was the lead prosecutor at the time. Philip Zelikow (Israeli national)… Read more »
Absolutely, but the MOSSAD and the local sayanim could not have undertaken the operation without the assistance of allied Sabbat Goyim, plainly headed by Cheney and Rumsfeld, the ‘Continuity of Government’ head honchos since the 1980s. The neo-conservatives who planned the whole ‘Clash of Civilizations’ War on Islam, and who so presciently predicted that a ‘New Pearl Harbor’ would be needed to get the rabble on side, were nearly all Zionist Jews, many acolytes of the Judaic supremacist philosopher, Leo Strauss. But they do not, yet, totally control all the aspects of the US Government, so they needed goy accomplices, whose ambitions melded with theirs.
Absolutely. There are huge numbers of non Jews involved in the cover up. Giuliani for one major example. The Christian evangelicals are as bad as anyone. Neither them nor Zionists are ppl of faith imo, they are white supremacists. They have different ultimate aims though.
So, the Operation Northwoods stuff was released in order to provide people with the ammunition to show 9/11 was an inside job, as part of a grand scheme to fool everyone into believing it wasn’t an inside job?
Quite possibly yes.
Whay is that interpretation difficult to understand ?
MG
Admin
I have just re-read your post an my reply to it now needs to be changed :
So, the Operation Northwoods stuff was released in order to provide people with the ammunition to show 9/11 was an inside job, as part of a grand scheme to fool everyone into believing it WASN’T an inside job?
*
I had not read this bit properly :
“as part of a grand scheme to fool everyone into believing it WASN’T an inside job?”
No.
That’s just twisted. Wherever did you get that from ?
I thought your post read :
So, the Operation Northwoods stuff was released in order to provide people with the ammunition to show 9/11 was an inside job, as part of a grand scheme to fool everyone into believing it WAS an inside job?
Quite possibly yes.
Why is that interpretation difficult to understand ?
MG
This discussion is over. Move on please.
Admin
You accuse me of things I have not done and refuse to answer questions on anything you post.
You also have, so far, refused tp provide any evidence for your baseless fantasies and now, presumably in your role as “Admin”, tell me to shut up …
How very grown up of you and OffG …
I’m sure your attitude detracts from the stated OffG “cause” …
Whenever you can spare the time Admin, please post the evidence you have for accusing me of things I have not done.
Or, alternatively, whenever you can spare the time and muster the requisite character, you could just just apologise for making unfounded accusations …
MG
One of the obvious tactics of the Deep State perpetrators of the various false flags committed to drive the rabble into a proper jingoistic frenzy is the lurid conspiracy theories that serve to discredit by association all the plain facts of the matter, that point, unerringly, to a common or garden conspiracy of the type that elites have engaged in for centuries. So you get ‘mini-nukes’, ‘holograms’, ‘no victims’, ‘death-rays’, blah, blah, blah, all intended to discredit the truth of controlled demolition in the public mind. Mind you the question of what hit the Pentagon and what disappeared down a small hole in Pennsylvania are much more intractable questions, but what happened, and why, and by whom for what purposes, in New York is pretty clear.
Thousands of architects and engineers can’t be wrong. No other proof required.
Frankly speaking, people trained in the “hard sciences” who have to deal with objective reality are less likely to be wrong about the causes of failure of structures than journalists, politicians, lawyers and other craftsmen whose main tool is words. But what drives A&Efor911Truth is more important than their professional discipline; they are driven by respect for the truth — the same drive that motivates the people who set up Off-G, and most of the people who write here. Remember that the official 911 Commission contained some “hard science” experts — but it was chaired by a top politician from the Bush regime, who probably cowed them into submitting that ridiculous document; even so, many professionals resigned from the Committee in disagreement — but their reasons for disagreement with the regime line were gagged by Official Secrets with heavy penalties for disclosure. “The first casualty in War is Truth” —… Read more »
I said the shiz about architects and engineers before yet you got 7 thumbs and I got 2! Haha. Read shiz mo fo’s. I mean peace. Love all you guys. I just need insecure praise!
I hope people who say no one died on 9/11 will watch this and consider other similar testimonies and re-think.
There is strong evidence to suggest that no one died on the day or, at least, almost no one, assuming no one died accidentally or a very small number were targeted. Certainly, the number who’ve died since whether it be from invasion of the Middle East, post-service suicide, suicide or other death due to the evil in general that 9/11 has led to, is vast, but that does not mean no one died on the day and that, in fact, just like all the other drills on 9/11 the collapses of the buildings and the alleged plane crash into the Pentagon were a form of drill, too. http://septemberclues.info/vicsims.shtml Although I was exposed to the material suggesting no one died awhile ago, I simply glossed over it, thinking that there was clear evidence that people had died from seeming whistleblower-people such as Bob McIlvaine, the Jersey Widows, April Gallop, Richard Grove… Read more »
@FlaxGirl. Three of your questions could readily be answered — but only if we could rely on the honesty of professionals who represent public services for the U$ regime. The ridiculous evidence-free assertions in the official 911 report, and in similar post-911 govt publications show that govt agencies in the West have succumbed to political intimidation by criminal regimes (e.g. reports on the Skripal case fabricated by the Ulic4K regime). An honest public service would tell you: 1. How many people on 911 said they were going to the WTC and never returned. 2. Whether the WTC building was really declared a public danger because it had been flame-proofed with asbestos. 3. Whether the clouds of white dust seen exploding from the WTC buildings carried enough asbestos into the air of Manhattan to cause a significant rise in the epidemiological incidence of an asbestos-related Lung disease (namely, Pleural Mesothelioma) during… Read more »
vexarb : “The ridiculous evidence-free assertions in the official 911 report” The “9/11 Commission Report” Philip Zelikow was the executive director of the 9/11 Commission. Philip Zelikow, a self-described expert in “the creation and maintenance of public myths,” wrote the 9/11 Commission Report in chapter outline before the Commission even convened. Zelikow, architect of the Bush Doctrine of framing criminal wars of aggression as “pre-emptive wars,” is the co-author of an astonishingly precognitive 1998 Foreign Affairs article speculating about the likely political and cultural consequences of a massive Pearl Harbor style event such as the destruction of the World Trade Center – a catastrophe that, he said, would split time into a dimly-remembered “before” and an Orwellian “after.” https://alethonews.com/2016/04/21/911-coverup-czar-zelikow-doesnt-know-what-the-real-story-is/ The Corbett Report : 9/11 Suspects: Philip Zelikow https://www.corbettreport.com/911-suspects-philip-zelikow/ * The 9/11 Commission report’s main protangonist, Khalid Sheikh Mohammed, ‘I was responsible for 9/11, from A to Z’, and much more… Read more »
The majority of the alleged, “9/11 hijackers narrative”, is Kabbalistcially linked to prominent Nazis, thus forming the basis for the perennial “complaint”, the Nazi WW2 Holocaust narrative…
9/11 Hijackers Martyrdom Video : Nazi : “Final Solution” Reinhard Heydrich : John McCain : Mossad
https://forum.davidicke.com/showthread.php?p=1062976704#post1062976704
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KSM : Khalid Shaikh / Sheikh Mohammed : PNAC : Frank Carlucci
When not referencing the self-evident Nazis, the narrative’s Kabbalism points elsewhere …
PNAC’s Frank Carlucci was born on 18 October 1930
Reportedly, on 17 November 2000, the US authorities issued an international arrest warrant for the narrative’s nominated “9/11 mastermind”, KSM …
http://www.historycommons.org/context.jsp?item=a111700ksmwarrant#a111700ksmwarrant
INClusive =
= 666 months, 666 weeks, 666 days
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KSM : Khalid Shaikh / Sheikh Mohammed : PNAC : Donald Kagan PNAC’s Donald Kagan was born on 1st May 1932 * June 4, 2002 : Khalid Shaikh Mohammed Is Publicly Identified as 9/11 Mastermind http://www.historycommons.org/context.jsp?item=a060402khalidshaikh#a060402khalidshaikh The photo of Mohammed on the right has been flipped to better compare it. [ Source: FBI ] Khalid Shaikh Mohammed (KSM) is publicly identified as the “mastermind” behind the 9/11 attacks. He is believed to have arranged the logistics while on the run in Germany, Pakistan, and Afghanistan. In 1996, he had been secretly indicted in the US for his role in Operation Bojinka ( see January 6, 1995 ), and the US began offering a $2 million reward for his capture in 1998 ( see January 8, 1998 ), which increased to $25 million in December 2001. An international warrant for his arrest was issued in November 2000 ( see November 17,… Read more »
“9/11 Hijackers narrative” : “Salem al Hazmi and Abdulaziz al Omari arrived in NYC” : Larry Silverstein WTC owner Silverstein Properties, Larry “Pull it” Silverstein was born on 30 May 1931 * The 9/11 Commission’s staff reports are similarly constructed and provide many more nodes to the “9/11 Hijackers” narrative. Monograph on 9/11 and Terrorist Travel http://govinfo.library.unt.edu/911/staff_statements/index.htm The Muscle Hijackers PDF Pages 8 to 9 In late April 2001, the muscle hijackers started arriving in the United States, specifically in Florida, Washington, DC, and New York. They traveled mostly in pairs and were assisted upon arrival by Atta and Shehhi in Florida or Hazmi and Hanjour in DC and New York. The final pair, Salem al Hazmi and Abdulaziz al Omari, arrived New York on June 29 * From Larry Silverstein born on 30 May 1931 to “9/11 Hijackers narrative” : Salem al Hazmi and Abdulaziz al Omari arrived in… Read more »
There are various spellings of Janette MacKinlay’s name : Janette McKinley, Jeanette Mckinley, Janet McKinley etc etc
Architects and Engineers for 9/11 Truth : In Honor of 9/11 Survivor Janette MacKinlay
http://www1.ae911truth.org/faqs/422-in-honor-of-911-survivor-janette-mackinlay.html
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President GHW Bush : “The time has come to put an end to Arab-Israeli conflict.”
GHW Bush, WTC-1993 and 9/11
9/11 – an attack on Christendom ?
https://off-guardian.org/2018/06/07/consensus-reality-has-outlived-its-usefulness/comment-page-1/#comment-123744
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An attack on Christianity-by Talmudic Judaism?
Nothing but total disgust for the American nation sleepwalking through their own history. Oblivious as to the criminal behaviour of their own government. A cancer on this small planet and those who endorse their actions are no better.
Certainly no tradition or appetite across the US MSM to examine the behaviour of their rulers.
Some would still be in denial even if photos were produced of Cheyne, Rumsfeld and Bush planting nano-thermite at the WTC.
Monbiot and Co prop up the 2 planes 3 towers myth this side of the pond.