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Open Thread: Trump-Putin Summit and Mounting Hysteria

Kit

Yesterday, Trump and Putin met for a summit in Helsinki. The resulting hysteria, all throughout the mainstream media and in the minds of neocon and (self-described) “liberals” alike.

Just to be clear – it is not unusual for heads of state to meet. It is not unusual for leaders with different values or interests to discuss international politics. It’s the entire point of diplomacy.

The media at large appear to have forgotten this – giving thousands of column inches to insane ramblings employing words such as “traitor”, “treason”, “puppet” and “surrender”. Words which are rapidly losing their meaning.

Politico Magazine described the alleged Russian hacking as “our Pearl Harbor”, and demanded America “respond accordingly”. The author – a retired General in the US Army – is delightfully vague about what exactly that would entail.

The Guardian has over 13 stories – including half a dozen opinion pieces. Each more absurd than the last. Richard Wolffe does nothing but abuse both men between baseless accusation and the repetition of long-debunked nonsense. Whilst Peter Daou – a former employee of Hillary Clinton’s campaign – writes that Republican who still support Trump are “following him off a cliff to treachery”.

The Independent ran with “Vladimir Putin just humiliated Donald Trump. And Trump humiliated America”, a headline which belies the content of article somewhat, by far one of the most reasonable takes on either side of the Atlantic.

NewsWeek asks: “Did Trump Commit Treason at Putin Summit?”, before concluding – sensibly enough – that no, he probably didn’t.

CNN – predictably – went full CNN. Accusing Putin and Trump of “pulling the West apart”.

It wasn’t just print and digital media whipping up this storm. Social Media likewise worked itself into a frenzy – the Liberal twitterati working their followers up into lather not seen since the final scene of Frankenstein.

John McCain called it the most “one of the most disgraceful performances by an American president in memory”. John Brennan – ex-CIA head – called it “nothing short of treasonous”. Even Bernie Sanders – the man who was cheated of the Democratic nomination by DNC election rigging – got in on the act – calling it a “good day for Putin and a bad day for democracy”. In this way, Trump and Putin have done stirling work in exposing that – deep down – America’s political class is entirely homogenous. Neocons and “socialists” united in fighting an eternal war against an invented enemy.

The worst tweet on this subject – or perhaps any subject – must have been from Garry Kasparov:

Nowhere in the media was coverage given to ANY facet of this meeting other than the fictional “collusion”. We don’t know if sanctions, Syria, Ukraine, Korea, Iran or Nordstream 2 were discussed – and what may have been said about each, if they were. Even the collusion was only really covered in general, rather than specific. Very few column inches given over to – even less real engagement with – Putin’s offer to cooperate with Mueller’s investigation, if the US reciprocated with Russia’s investigation into Bill Browder’s business associates, and possible tax crimes.

Important questions, then:

  • What else was discussed by Putin and Trump? Syria, Ukraine or Iran?
  • Why has no coverage been given to that? Is there nothing to say, or is something being hidden behind a smokescreen?
  • Will Mueller accept Putin’s invitation to question the indicted Russians in Russia?
  • What excuse will be used when Mueller inevitably turns this offer down?
  • Why is the entire media machine turning against the Helsinki summit?
  • Is it just about the need to keep Russia as an enemy to justify increased NATO defence budgets?
  • Where do we go from here?

Kit Knightly is co-editor of OffGuardian. The Guardian banned him from commenting. Twice. He used to write for fun, but now he's forced to out of a near-permanent sense of outrage.

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Paolo
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Paolo

Come on OffG, the prospect of peace breaking out is truly terrifying to any right thinking neo colonoialist (and the modern day missionaries that assist them)..

Pam Ryan
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Pam Ryan

Jumping off the cliff of treachery, you say?. Dilly! Dilly!

Francis Lee
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Francis Lee

The whole ballyhoo reminds of a group of self-indulged brats stamping their feet because they cannot get their own way – ‘We want a war, we want a war, not fair! we want a war’. Call me Oswald Spengler, but is the west now in terminal and irreversible decline?

Pam Ryan
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Pam Ryan

Well all the signs are there. Which in fact is how we got Trump (and Brexit and a lot of other inconvenient things) in the first place. But nothing, it seems, stops the transatlantic clown car from hurtling towards the cliff of stupidity.

Joel
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We have something in common: https://theconsentofthegoverned.wordpress.com

Pam Ryan
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Pam Ryan

Thanks for this link Joel. Very interesting.

Lily Steinmetz
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Lily Steinmetz

Thanks to the Skripal business I started digging around these sites to try and get better info on current affairs. Very interesting and much more fun than what I had been reading. I assume, possibly wrongly, that the newspapers and TV like RTE or the Guardian publish all this biased rubbish because they are being paid to do so. (In fact someone close to the Guardian hinted to me that this is the case.) My question is – who would be paying them? NATO? Does anyone have any idea?

jantje
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jantje

probably not so much paying them but told what and what not to write and what to omit

vexarb
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vexarb

@Lily. See OffG thread, present owners are funded by Sorosmwho is Rothschild’s #1 in the U$A. Previous ownership Guardian Trust had Rothschild representative on Board. The Guardian has been an unashamed cheerleader for Anglo Zio Capitalist resource wars at least since New Liebor came to power under TB.Liar. The last I read of BLiar, he had been elevated much higher than to the House of Lords — namely, to a directorship in House of Rothschild.

ZigZag Wanderer
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ZigZag Wanderer

There is a bizarre groupthink that pervades the educated/professional classes in the ( english speaking ) West . If you do not go along with the groupthink you will find yourself in trouble regarding your career and social group. This almost certainly applies to Guardian contributors.

I recall when working for a blue chip UK company as a technical engineer , I briefly mentioned to a senior colleague that I thought the collapse of WTC7 on 9/11 was a bit strange.
The manager , who I had known and worked with for a number of years , immediately snapped ” I never knew you were one of those conspiracy theory nutters ? ” .
From that day on I was considered a less reliable character , and a less able engineer , by all the management team. Other employees asked what had I done to “piss off ” the senior management.

These days I am freelance , and living in the Salisbury Plain area near Amesbury I get to meet various MOD / Army / Intelligence officers and academics . I must admit I do go out of my way to engage them in conversation about various contentious issues such as Syria / NATO / Russia / 911 / Skripals etc. The groupthink is still there and so is the cold shoulder.

What staggers me is just how poorly , or should I say , selectively educated these people are. You would imagine that an Oxbridge educated military academic would at least have some knowledge of the Anthrax poisonings in Washington in the aftermath of 9/11. It was the Anthrax affair that the Bush administration used to link Iraq to Al Qaeda for gods sake.

He had never heard of Anthrax being used in the US and , yes you’ve guessed it , he called me a conspiracy theorist.

Mulga Mumblebrain
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Mulga Mumblebrain

On the 50th anniversary of the JFK hit, EVERY fakestream media presstitute in Austfailure declared, straight-faced, that Oswald did it, and any opinions otherwise were ‘loony conspiracy theories’. You cannot imagine stupidity, ignorance, or mendacious hypocrisy that intense, but there it is, every day, in your face, and narcissistically adoring itself as the ‘Free Press’.

Robyn
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Robyn

Just as the Australian MSM and politicians are currently occupying themselves with Russia shot down MH17.

Mulga Mumblebrain
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Mulga Mumblebrain

Not only that, but the filthy narrative has now moved back to Abbott’s deranged assertion that Putin shot the plane down DELIBERATELY. I know it’s just projection, but the obvious question ‘ Why’ is never asked by any of our presstitute arthropods.

Frankly Speaking
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Frankly Speaking

I’ve noticed this Groupthink too, in fact it’s there all the time. People feel comfortable and secure in this way. Being an outlier can cause you to lose your friends, lose your job and economic existence, seriously. Even if people may agree with you, they will not say so due to that fear and risks.

That is how the whole system builds concensus and the people who initiate that concensus process clearly collaborate in the first place, and they control the media to be able to achieve this result.

I would not normally vote for someone like Trump, I am traditional Labour, but the ridiculuous hysteria against this man is so pervasive and ridiculous, as well as against Russia and Putin, that my instinct to protect a truly free press and ultimately democracy is far higher priority than my dislike of Trump as a person. He is being vastly mis-represented by all the media. Russia too, and people who travelled to the world Cup began to see behind this new Iron Curtain of Disinformation we have created in the West.

lysias
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lysias

Read His Ulfkotte’ s book, and you will have your answer.

lysias
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lysias

Autocorrect garbled UDO ULFKOTTE’s name.

Sean
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Sean

The Guardian has long been a CIA asset.

JJ139
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JJ139

Apparently, the meeting was purely between Putin and Trump, plus presumably interpreters. Therefore there will be no leaks. Neither has gone into any detail about what they discussed. How the msm can get so foaming at the mouth without having a clue what they talked about, other than the presser afterwards, is remarkable. Much as I loathe the warmongering Churchill with millions of deaths on his charge sheet, he did say ‘jaw jaw is better than war war’. Not according to the MSM today.

MichaelK
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MichaelK

I still find it, odd or puzzling, how the Guardian has lurched so far to the political right and has embraced the conflict and war doctrine aimed at Russia, and how it’s dragged so much of liberal and left opinion with it. How did this happen? Seemingly a tiny cabal of rabid and morbid anti-Russians now control the Guardian’s news production and no one else gets a look in. There’s virtually no dissent allowed at all. It’s all so predictable and boring, how they drone on and on about Russia being the source of all evil in the world. And the rest of the media are just as bad. It’s as if the State has succeeded in placing ‘agents’ in the heart of all the media and strangled any potential opposition or criticism.

Harry Stotle
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Harry Stotle

Yes, output veers between rabid pro-war and ant-Russian propaganda, interspersed with simpering bouts of virtue signalling or identity politics.
But BTL there is a guerrilla war: clearly a substantial proportion of the readership are alienated by the Guardians lurch into fake news and anti-journalism.

The MSM in Britain really has been corrupted by market imperatives – survival at any cost seems to be the overarching philosophy, even if it means that meaningful reporting is now only available via alternative news sources..

Of course we have already been warned about the dire consequences of information gateways being controlled by amoral corporate interests.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RortOTy4sHs

Mulga Mumblebrain
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Mulga Mumblebrain

It’s more than 25 years since Chomsky and Herman outlined the propaganda nature of the Western ‘Free Press’, and it has grown so much more pronounced since that today it is simply mind-boggling in its dishonesty, hypocrisy, cynicism and hubris. Whenever I read an issue of Murdoch’s flag-shit, the ‘Australian’, in a library of cafe, I end up, as the priest said in the movie, feeling that I had had contact ‘…with spiritual evil’.

mog
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mog

@Michael K

I was at a party the other night in a part of the UK ‘a long way from Middle England’. Catching up with friends. Slightly gentrified Greens, successful careers in ‘worthy causes’ and the arts, busy people, parents, mostly too busy to read further than the Guardian or do more than catch BBC Radio news.
Many are sold to the casual racism of Russophobia, identity politics (expressed in support of Obama and Hillary), the unsubstantiated conspiracy theory of Russiagate, the belief that EU is progressive etc. etc.
I spoke with one more awakened friend about Monbiot (who socialises in this circle), I said that if he came to the party that I would have to leave, and that I considered him disreputable, dishonest, perhaps even sinsister : a propagandist for warmongers. He was surprised at the strength of my feeling and opinion.

Monbiot showed up, and I left fuming (for a while anyway). Later I tried to explain to others how I felt they should know the arguments against his journalistic positions. They glazed over in the familiar way that says, “I think what you are saying is questionable and extreme, and I do not trust you enough to question my world view”.
It takes a lot of reading to understand what is going on, to see through the image cultivated by people like Guardian journalists, to unpick the lies and disinformation. Most people simply do not have the time or inclination. What can one do?

I wonder how the Guardian has been swung too. I can only guess that it took a lot of money – money that was spent in a very clever way. It is very significant to what is happening generally I would say. I think democracy is unwinding, and will contintue to unwind with the blessing of its most cherishing advocates : the so called ‘Liberal Left’.

I wonder too how the demographics line up. It is clear that the corporate/ state propaganda machine is losing ground daily, but how far along is the process? [e.g. Galloway is perhaps the leading populist voice for the kind of Left which has slipped away from the influence of Liberal lies. He has a third the number of Twitter followers as Owen Jones whom I trust about as far as I can throw up. The hipster overdrive channel Novara still boost NATO boy and totally fake Lefty Paul Mason…..so how many are awake to the propaganda model and its implications?]

Asked about things, I said to another friend, “If two milliion people joined, say, The Labour Party, and were prepared to spend a few hours a week getting a proper political education, and perhaps a day a week or a day a fortnight as an activist, the things could change.”
They are more interested in their new kitchen though.

padre
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padre

It is not just about how they are not informed and not interested, but how they label anyone, who opposes them as the one with extreme and questionable views, as you pointed out.They just don’t want anybody to rock the boat and ask them to do something

Harry Stotle
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Harry Stotle

Indeed, heavy handed enforcement of ‘community standards’ is central to the group-think ideology encouraged by Guardian censors.

What sticks in the throat are the endless articles about fake news or disingenuous guff about freedom of speech.

Mulga Mumblebrain
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Mulga Mumblebrain

It is the same with the ecological Holocaust-the well-off Meanswells, safe in their cocoon of privilege and self-adoration, don’t want to know. They think that not using plastic straws will ‘ ..save the world’. I’ve often noted the inverse relationship between greed and intelligence, and end-stage Free Market capitalism simply exacerbates it to the point of parody.

pm
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pm

….sounds like you should get yer self some new friends!!!!

mog
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mog

This is the thing though, so many people out there who have grown up sharing many of the same values yet have been basically brainwashed. If they had made the time to do the reading, they would be just as outraged as I am about the behaviour of the Guardian (an dprobably more active in response)- but they haven’t, they trust it unwittingly, and trust its assertions which insist that counternarratives are unfounded, irrational or the interference of hostile enemies.

It is a theme of my life that I am surrounded by these (basically decent) people whom I cannot persuade to do a simple bit of reading.

pm
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pm

Mog depressingly true, but the thing is reality will be imposed from outside, one way or another, personally i shipped out of Blighty decades ago as it was apparent even then that the country was effectively lost to BS, so i won’t hold my breath for anything radical happening in the UK to change its behaviour, or rather the behaviour of its elite class its simply not gonna happen

Mulga Mumblebrain
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Mulga Mumblebrain

A friend of my father, a well-respected journalist and decent chap, would go into apoplexy if I suggested reading Chomsky re. the Palestinian tragedy. Like a reflex shot, but he did toil for years at Fairfax, where adoration for Israel and all things Jewish was MANDATORY. As it was and is in the Murdoch machine. The ABC deviate a little occasionally, but after a villainous campaign of abuse of their latest correspondent in the region, thoroughly pro-Israel but OCCASIONALLY speaking of the Palestinians as human beings, led by one of Parliament’s top Zionist stand-over merchants, she was replaced, by a young Jewish fellow. No possibility of any bias there, of course, but if they had appointed a Palestinian or some other Moslem, the fury that would be unleashed is horrible to contemplate.

Robbobbobin
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Robbobbobin

“I wonder how the Guardian has been swung too. I can only guess that it took a lot of money – money that was spent in a very clever way.”

No swinging involved on the part of the Guardian (though Viner has all the subtlety of a big fat cow in a china shop compared to some of her predecessors).

“It is very significant to what is happening generally I would say. I think democracy is unwinding, and will contintue to unwind with the blessing of its most cherishing advocates : the so called ‘Liberal Left’.”

Liberal Left? Social Democracy? Weasel words and false flags. Neither has ever been otherwise. Been suckered? Tough shit. Next time, if there is a next time, do your homework before the exam.

mog
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mog

Let’s face it, ‘democracy’ is a weasel word or false flag.

Frankly Speaking
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Frankly Speaking

Great post. I personally would not have left the room when Monbiot came in.

I would have tried to have engaged him in conversation, try and gently probe and then point to the a much bigger and wider world out there of several billion people that thinks completely differently.

I would have tried to point out to him / them that all those people, including the Russians, can’t all be wrong, and to suggest that Guardian readers and the UK MSM is the only correct viewpoint is obviously arrogant to say the least.

We should not antagonise these people, simply engage in debate at every opportunity, time and time and again. Easier said than done, I know, but for us to jump into the escape hatch is not going to change anything.

pm
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pm

it’s been a pro Blairite rag for decades, therefore its fully signed up to a progressive neoliberal agenda, wars, ragime change and all the Clintonite war like crap!

Robbobbobin
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Robbobbobin

“I still find it, odd or puzzling, how the Guardian has lurched so far to the political right and has embraced the conflict and war doctrine aimed at Russia, and how it’s dragged so much of liberal and left opinion with it.”

The Guardian has never been other than a centre-right publication in the capital-L English “Liberal Party” tradition, which – like Keynsianism – has always seen the preservation of capitalism and oligarchy against the depredations of the under classss, usually by carefully titrating the amount of amelioration that needs to be dispensed to pacify and subborn their hoi polloi class enemy in any given situation. That you seem to have believed otherwise is a tribute to their professional expertise and/or a monument to your inattention.

You don’t need to take my word for that; it is neither an opinion nor a perception of their political position based on some interpretation of what they have published as “news” and “commentary” over the years; it is all there in black and white: they are proud of both their role in society and their success and have not been shy to state it openly – at the right times, to the right audiences. It is not their fault that you have not bothered to research their background adequately (if at all). You have been successered.

Robbobbobin
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Robbobbobin

Only the “-right” part of that compound noun was meant to be rendered in bold type, though slipshod markup emboldening the entire paragraph is not something operationally amiss.

Robbobbobin
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Robbobbobin

Typo too: for “seem” read “been“.

Robbobbobin
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Robbobbobin

Typos upon on typos too: for “seem” read “seen“. Well past time for a nap.

Mulga Mumblebrain
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Mulga Mumblebrain

That is the mark of The Beast-Soros, although he is just the front-man, a kindly, old, Jewish, philanthropist as Nick Cohen asserted.

Robbobbobin
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Robbobbobin

Misattribution. To the extent Soros is involved it can only be in the latterly application of approval, imprimatur and funds. The (Manchester) Guardian was The (Manchester) Guardian long before George Soros was George Soros.

ZigZag Wanderer
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ZigZag Wanderer

Research Operation Mockingbird … Originated in US but quickly adopted by UK also. Here’s a starter .https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0KZjxjlI4x8

Robbobbobin
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Robbobbobin

CIA wasting US taxpayer’s money to bribe the Guardian to run up a false flag or two? Does the Tea Party know? What would you call that? “Taking coals to Newcastle”? The Guardian accepting the bribes? What would you call that? “Laughing all the way to the bank”?

cat sick
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cat sick

I loooooove it !

To see all the warmongers in fits of anger over this is pure joy.

To expose the depth of depravity of the media stooges frothing at the mouth at the realization that they cannot control trump but only the narrative in the media ….

After a great world cup showing the old enemy is not so bad the only thing to top it would have been England in the final with Teresa May boycotting like a spoilsport …..

vexarb
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vexarb

@cat. We didnt do so badly, Croatia played beautifully, and France pulled a cracker. There were thrills, spills and laughs all round to the end. A pity that St Theresa wasnt there to bless England, her intercession might have given Providence that nudge for our team over the last hurdle. But the England put on a jolly good show, to have got so far on their own steam.

Estaugh
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Estaugh

Theresa doesn’t represent England, she, (?), represents the EU corporation and other private interests.

John Gilberts
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John Gilberts

Perhaps it’s all too obvious to repeat, but the grassroots people are exceedingly ill-served both by the corporates, their presstitute media, and the wolves and sellouts that claim to ‘represent’ us. Time draws nigh for the torches and pitchforks methinks. Enough of their evil machinations and their servile idiotic society. For the sake of the little ones, a future and the planet, we can do better.

milosevic
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milosevic

torches and pitchforks

You forgot to mention guillotines.

vierotchka
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Personally, I think it smacks of desperation – kind of like a candle’s flame flaring up a half-second before dying. (fingers crossed!)

jantje
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jantje

personally,I’m sick and tired of it all,so predictable everything has become,no more genuine discussions,always the same babble,total circus but playing with the lives of millions

theroyalsecretinfo
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The question is who gets extinguished first and sadly the likelihood it is Trump and those who voted for him, beaten by the big stick of lies and fake news of the Establishment and their neo-liberal PC’s.

mightydrunken
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It’s simply more pressure and rhetoric being applied to remove Trump and sideline Russia. The narratives that Trump and Russia are all bad are being strengthened. So not desperation, just knowledge that hysterical sensationalist headlines can draw in readers and sway people.

The corporate, neo-liberal, neo-conservative and mass media love-in will probably be brought down by economic failure, just not quite yet.

candideschmyles
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To be honest I have but skimmed a half dozen pieces looking for substance and have found none. The comments here from all you comment makers I have come to broadly agree with on many issues is pretty dissapointing though. Though I think most of you have acknowledged at some point that Trump is a weapon of mass distraction it seems to me he is so effective at it that he continues to distract you despite knowing that is his purpose.
Instead of following msm down over the event horizon of logic and deduction into the black hole of nonsense why not ponder what this summit was really for? It follows on the heels of three equally opaque meetings this year between Putin and Netenyahu. Given that Trump is a President selected by a group in which Bibi is very senior, perhaps even leader, it is this dimension that needs illumination. And I would be pretty surprised if understanding what’s going to be happening next hinges on the conversations of Putin and Netanyahu not Trump.

candideschmyles
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https://www.rt.com/news/433531-netanyahu-israel-security-trump-putin/
https://www.rt.com/news/433524-browder-steele-mcfaul-investigation/

Perhaps there is a kind of war taking place between the two big power mafia outfits in the US who can be defined loosely as the Zionist Republican old guard and the Catholic Clinton pack. For a few decades they had a sort of truce and shared the US presidency, jointly agreeing the selection of the puppet in chief. Hilary had been persuaded to allow the selection of Obama on the promise she would be next. The selection of Trump has perhaps broken that truce and the enraged Clinton led camp, and led to open hostility with the the Israeli dual national Zionists who have really been dominant since the time of Alan Dulles.
While the Zionists have near total control over the CIA the FBI is more sympathetic to Clinton, as is most of MSM and European power elites.
Again the Clinton camp is not friendly to Putin where as Putin does appear to have some level of cooperative dialog with Israel and the Zionist block. This has been kept as quiet as possible till now but is being forced into the light by the tactics of the Clinton pack, with European support.
The links don’t say much but they hint at something in my ill defined and poorly expressed effort to cut through the surface confusion.

milosevich
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milosevich

All US politicians, without exception, are owned by zionism.

Mulga Mumblebrain
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Mulga Mumblebrain

Twenty-five standing ovations, ten kneeling ovations and six fully prostrate, head-banging in adoration, ovations. AIPAC and the rich ‘donors’ were watching for signs of lack of enthusiasm, after all.

Mulga Mumblebrain
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Mulga Mumblebrain

Putin is quite friendly towards Israel, apparently in part because of the large number of Russians living there. But I suspect that as a true friend, not a boot-licking bought and paid for stooge like the detritus of Western politics, Putin no doubt warns Bibi against too reckless aggression. Bibi and the Zionist terrorist racists who run Israel are so hate-crazed and aggressive that their belligerence is threatening not just the eternally brutalised Palestinians, the Israeli Arabs facing a mounting campaign of hatred and pernicious discrimination, or Israel’s neighbours, the victims of relentless Zionist aggression, but Israel itself. And, as numerous Zionist thugs have vowed over the decades, if they see Israel ‘going under’, say in a war launched against Iran, then they intend taking the world down with them-the infamous Samson Doctrine.

Tim Groves
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My favorite line from the article is: “Trump and Putin have done stirling work in exposing that – deep down – America’s political class is entirely homogenous. Neocons and “socialists” united in fighting an eternal war against an invented enemy.”

The line in Politico about this summit being “our Pearl Harbor” is reasonable if interpreted correctly. Oversimplifying and overgeneralizing, Politico and the rest of the ailing and failing, Ted Baxter, sock puppet, biased, fake news Mockingbird, dying legacy mass media consists largely of presstitutes and whorespondents working for and on behalf of the Deep State/globalist Sorosian NWO Mafia. Putin and Trump are both nationalists and each in their way represents a threat to the globalists. And when the two of them are working in tandem, the threat becomes an existential one.

So the Pearl Harbor analogy, although it is a bit over the top, is reasonable if you happen to be a globalist swamp creature.

DavidKNZ
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V V Putin is an accomplished Judo / Aikido (also known as “The Art of Peace.”) practitioner
Fact Check:
https://www.lawfareblog.com/benjamin-wittes-underestimating-vladimir-putins-martial-arts-skills

At Helsinki he demonstrated the diplomatic equivalent. Not behind closed doors, or in smoke filled room, but in front of a collection of reporters. Reporters who you would think were aware of Seymour Hersh, I F Stone or Robert Parry.

For instance, we can bring up Mr. Browder, in this particular case. Business associates of Mr. Browder have earned over $1.5 billion in Russia and never paid any taxes neither in Russia or the United States and yet the money escaped the country. They were transferred to the United States. They sent [a] huge amount of money, $400,000,000, as a contribution to the campaign of Hillary Clinton. Well that’s their personal case. It might have been legal, the contribution itself but the way the money was earned was illegal. So we have solid reason to believe that some [US] intelligence officers accompanied and guided these transactions. So we have an interest in questioning them.

So here is an opening for the big SCOOP, and a chance for ‘The Establishment’ to Front Up. Or shut up.
The resulting hysteria shows which choice they made
There is a detailed / cross referenced (204page) account of the machinations of William Browder at various places around the net. Its also at:
https://www.dropbox.com/s/iw13g58iw7a3e0j/TheKillingOfWilliamBrowder_Pr…

The writer is hedge fund manager Alex Krainer, and it the result of three years of careful research.
If you feel the need to be well informed, this book is a good place to start :-).
Naomi Klein makes similar points in ‘Shock Doctrine’ but why add to the fortune of that compassionate employer J Bezos??

“Krainer’s book is an indispensable contribution to understanding the connection between the looting of Russia during the disastrous shock therapy of the Yeltsin years, and the dangerous anti-Russian provocations of today. His insight into the duplicitous role of Bill Browder provides compelling evidence of how unscrupulous greed can lead to much larger crimes.” –Harley Schlanger, Schiller Institute

bevin
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bevin

Both Moon of Alabama and Craig Murray have very good analyses today. I recommend them.

Mulga Mumblebrain
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Mulga Mumblebrain

I prefer the Fraudian sewer-to see Evil lying, hypocritical, psychopaths foaming at the mouth in rabid ecstasies is truly hilarious. I knew Trump would be entertaining, but I under-estimated the fury of the ‘liberals’ at the failure of their gore bespattered Gorgon failing to ascend the Throne of Blood.

Mulga Mumblebrain
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Mulga Mumblebrain

Digging deeper into the Fraudian cess-pit, I see that the Zionist lynch-mob has been mobilised against Corbyn, YET AGAIN. Labour’s refusal to adopt the entire Zionist ‘definition’ of ‘antisemitism’, that de facto outlaws all criticism of Israel, of Zionism and of any Jew, has the Zionist thugs and their Blairite stooges going barking mad. One apparently confronted Corbyn, shrieking at him that he was a racist antisemite. Which, of course, is standard Zionist hasbara tactics. After a while, if the Thought Criminals refuse to bow and grovel properly, you turn on Moshe Dayan’s ‘mad dog’ act, in an attempt to intimidate. And the fact that a coalition of anti-Zionist Jews has urged Labour to stand firm against the ‘antisemitism’ lynch-mob, was only mentioned at the end of the article.
Which makes me ponder just how Zionist control of Western politics and the fakestream media, and the adoption of hasbara tactics ie shameless lying, gargantuan hypocrisy, and screeching vilification and character assassination have been transferred wholesale to Western politics and propaganda. The frenzy of raw hatred directed at Trump and Putin is PRECISELY akin to that directed by the Zionists and their stooges at the Palestinians and their leaders, and at Moslems and Arab as well (except for Quislings or ‘friends’ like the Sordid Arabians)in the Western fakestream media and ‘entertainment’, Hollywood in particular. It is certainly not the only root of the crazed hatred flowing through the crumbling West like an open drain, but I believe it is a major factor.

Robbobbobin
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Robbobbobin

“Which makes me ponder just how…”

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Robbobbobin
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Robbobbobin

Or, “Forget the useful idiot and associated idiots, who really killed Yitzhak Rabin?”
Or, “Why was it reported that gunshots rather than cancer that really killed Rabin?”
Or, “Who gave Yigal Amir cancer, how and why?”

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Michael Major

OffGuardian asks proper journalistic questions about the summit while most of the mainstream media suffers a chicken-hawk / chicken-little panic attack while drinking its bathwater and drumming for a “humiliating” punitive final solution to Russia. Investors, as occurred with the 911 “attack,” are hungrily gaming what the desired effect will be on the NYSE? In other news, Russia, responding to American warmonger angst is financing an Aaron Sorkin (Charlie Wilson’s War, West Wing) musical drama mini-series (provisionally titled Getting Smarter) to explicate and exorcise the scope, scale, pathos, history and romantic delusions of the “deep state” and the characteristic absence of life and humanity in the perverse pale-faced castrati mandrinate who serve its mission. The mini-series promises to compel ordinary Americans to rise-up and destroy their elite ivy covered amoral educational institutions and topple the absurd corporate insider class with humiliating mockery sufficient to acheive their serial cascading suicide. Meanwhile, Canada in an attempt to recover its 1st degree groveling vassal status, is promising to further subsidize and reduce taxes on the western armaments industry, declare it environmentally sustainable and free it from the yoke of bureaucracy, political payola, public criticism and trade unionism. After which Harper will return in jesus boots and become the queen’s governor general with dictatorial powers. and so to bed, perchance to dream…

Mulga Mumblebrain
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Mulga Mumblebrain

I spent a few hours yesterday, when it was too wet and wild to venture outside, watching Youtube videos describing China’s simply amazing progress, in every field. There is the real enemy, the not at all phantom menace that has the deranged civilizational supremacists of the Yankee Reich, its Five Eyes stooges and co-conspirators and the other Western oligarchies so deranged with fear and rage. Russia is just a way-station, a source of great loot to be pillaged again, as the country is vivisected by some New Yeltsin. The performance of the Western fakestream media hate-machine grows more frenzied and extreme every time Putin tweeks their Exceptional noses, and smirks at it. I love his smirk!!!!

Hugh O'Neill
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Hugh O'Neill

Why must China be considered an enemy? China has invested billions in the “One Belt One Road” (OBOR) infrastructure: civil engineering – as opposed to the uncivil kind of the West’s MIC. Since the US hegemony was founded on the Pearl Harbor myth, then the creation of OSS/CIA, the moral arc has been plunging ever lower and has no redeeming features. Sic transit gloria mundi. China has suffered centuries of Western exploitation, but may not be as inhuman as the Anglo-American model, but surely can be no worse?

Mulga Mumblebrain
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Mulga Mumblebrain

China is considered an enemy because it is NOT the USA, it is NOT Western, it is NOT Judeo-Christian, and its people are ‘mere Asiatics’. And it has had the effrontery to create the most successful economy in history, and a society that is non-aggressive, co-operative and generally beneficial to its people and those who desire friendly relations.

Hugh O’Neill
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Hugh O’Neill

Thanks for the clarification. We are in total agreement. China has beaten the Capitalists at their own game, but the losers will not take defeat kindly. I imagine China will have anticipated and prepared well in accordance with Sun Tzu insight.

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Mulga Mumblebrain
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Mulga Mumblebrain

The Chinese are ready. They, I imagine, fully anticipated the frenzy of Western racist angst that would be unleashed once they rose to global pre-eminence. They know history, not just their own, but that of the 500 years of European aggression, pillage, destruction and genocide around the world. I just wonder how sanguine they are about humanity’s chances of surviving the Real Evil Empire’s rabid death-throes. But they are doing their best, and we, in Austfailure, as ever, are doing our boot-licking worst.

pm
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pm

China are the enemy because they have a plan, along with Russia, to trade outside the doller, and hopefully drag a bunch of other countries with them, thus de-dollarising the global economy, and bringing the US war machine down, they basically see the dollar as a form of weaponised currency which America uses to ‘harvest’ the economies of the world, thus recycling the currency back to America at every one else’s expense

i suspect they see the Euro currency as part of this scheme therefore it makes no sense for that currency to fail from their perspective, so any notion that China or particularly Russia want to bring down the EU i think doesn’t make sense, after all, if the Americans have ‘managed’ Europe for decades, then surely it makes strategic sense for Russia and China to turn the European block into a tool to be used against America, its essentially a form of asymmetric geopolitics, although from an American perspective its all beginning to look like a very serious existential threat to American hegemony which is why Trump is against multilateral trade, the WTO and so called trade deals like TTP and TTIP, basically he wants to try and peal countries away from globalisation because he and his advisers know China is the biggest beneficiary of the current form of globalisation and hence its biggest supporters along with the EU, don’t forget Merkal is still very keen on TTIP, because she sees it as a soft power tool, not only against America but also against Russia and China

the question is once the Chinese achieve their goals will they be so keen on globalisation? currently they have Putin to give them a big guarantee for energy, but unlike the Chinese leader, Putin has less than six years left, I’d suggest its six years from now when the world will reach crunch time, which will also coincide with the American electoral cycle , i suspect its then that America will go for regime change in Russia, if they fail then its curtains for them as their, and unfortunately our only options will be all out war, and I’d expect the Guardian and western MSM to back all of the aforementioned

so basically the Chinese and Russians are playing a kind of good cop, bad cop routine, in which so far the Russians have taken most of the heat, but without Russia, or rather with a pro western Russia its curtains for china!

under Obama , and now Trump, the Americans are trying every trick in the book to prevent what many predict is the end of American hegemony, they ain’t gonna go down without a fight thats for sure

so six years from now, or thereabouts, is crunch time!

Mulga Mumblebrain
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Mulga Mumblebrain

The Chinese have made plain, over and over again, that Xi, at present, has only one extra five year term. The ‘President for Life’ guff is typical Western bull-shit propaganda.

mightydrunken
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I find it funny and sad that the Russian hating and bombing the Middle East seems all for nothing except for possibly gaining more control over international affairs. Yet at the same time China is going strength to strength, the West will not be able to influence China or even do much. Imagine if we imposed severe sanctions against China, our economies will collapse. China appears to be mostly keeping its head down and getting on with the job of economic and developmental progress and extending their economic influence across the planet.

It looks like the future is China’s, which considering our behaviour is probably a good thing.

I just wish we fixed our own problems and co-operated fairly with the rest of the world…

Paul X
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Paul X

As is so often the case in recent years, especially with Ukraine in 2014, the media have gone overboard with their partisanship. It’s a sign of desperation.

Lloyd Gaarder
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Lloyd Gaarder

It will be interesting to see, by the end of the week, what the public’s opinion of the press is. Wouldn’t be surprised if the press made itself less trusted than ever.

If Trump is reelected with the popular vote as well as the electoral college in 2020, will the press continue to call Trump supporters uneducated morons?

The MSM is accelerating its own death spiral.

Jools
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Jools

“I’m ready to call this the darkest hour in the history of the American presidency. Let me know if you can think of any competition.”

How about nuking 2 Japanese cities to test out a new toy knowing that it would be unnecessary in order to win WW2?

Illegally bombing large chunks of Asia in order to further its ambitions in Vietnam?

Illegally invading Iraq and turning the middle east into a lawless meat grinder of jihadist madness?

As commander in chief the US president is responsible for all this and more. The real question is where to stop.

Mulga Mumblebrain
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Mulga Mumblebrain

Kasparov, like many chess champions, is deranged.

MichaelK
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MichaelK

I kind of think that Trump’s supposed ‘narcissism’ is based on his fear, which is widespread among the ruling elite, that the US simply can’t go on like this anymore. It doesn’t have the money and more importantly, it doesn’t have enough support from the people for all these incredibly destructive and costly wars. A substantial majority of ordinary Americans want the system to fix America first, not the rest of the world. This is a major problem for the ruling class who see it as imperative that that the US conquers the world in order to maintain its’ position as the only remaining western empire. Only China and Germany have shown that one doesn’t need to create a vast and expensive world empire in order to flourish economically. Money and trade can succeed where brute military force fails.

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rtj1211

The real insanity is continuing to believe that the MSM is sane, wishes to hold elite power to account, is anything but an outsourced whoring PR channel for MIC/bankster interests.

I grew up and saw Israel and Egypt hold peace talks – they were warring protagonists, not sabre-rattling oil economies. It was reported as the height of statesmanship, whatever you thought about the politicians concerned.

I saw Germany reunited and the Cold War end. Dreadful scandal, both those things.

I saw as an adult bilateral agreement in London to pursue peace talks in Northern Ireland with two sides who had been blowing each other up for two generations. The US helped to broker the talks and there has been mostly peaceful existence now for almost a generation.

Right now, by those standards, the US and Russia should be getting Turkey, Syria, Israel, KSA, the Emirati statelets and Iran around a table and the EU should be helping them to do so.

India and Russia should be getting all the Stan republics into conference to resolve the eyesore of Afghanistan and the US should be ordered out of Afghanistan. Neither Russia nor India should be taking their place.

Canada and Mexico should be brokering talks about the various messes created in the American land mass, focussing on the role of US military training in fomenting coup over many decades. The US should be in the dock, not the Chair.

An honest broker needs to be found to chair talks on Korea: that will not be China, Russia, the US nor Japan. Australia and New Zealand might be suitable.

African leadership should be brokering talks on the ongoing calamities in the Horn of Africa.

This diplomacy is what prevents all out warfare.

Why are the Western Presstitutes so opposed to it?

Kenneth Lindemere
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What makes you think that Australia, the 51st state, would be an “honest” broker?

Mulga Mumblebrain
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Mulga Mumblebrain

Austfailure is more a second Puerto Rico, or Micronesia-a stooge state owned by the USA, that obeys orders at all times.

eagle eye
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eagle eye

operation Mockingbird, as previously mentioned. The Military Industrial Complex has as its intelligence/propaganda arm the CIA, who own all mainstream media operatives, whether those operatives know it or not.

Kaiama
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Kaiama

If the Republicans and Trump win the mid term elections big time then I would fear for Trump. He’ll wind up like Kennedy.

Robbobbobin
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Robbobbobin

Which Kennedy?

Sean
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Sean

Both JFK and RFK.