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To Make a Sailor Blush

W Stephen Gilbert

I do not believe in personal abuse of any sort. Treat people with respect, treat people as you wish to be treated yourself, listen to their views, agree or disagree but have that debate. There’s going to be no rudeness from me … I want a kinder politics, a more caring society. Don’t let them reduce you to believing in less. So I say to all activists, whether Labour or not, cut out the personal abuse, cut out the cyber bullying, and especially the misogynistic abuse online, and let’s get on with bringing real values back into politics.”

Those were the words of Jeremy Corbyn in his first conference speech as leader on September 29th 2015. He was heartily cheered.

The parliamentary Labour Party has many members who, in all seriousness, would rather lose the next election under another leader – some would say any other leader – than win it led by Corbyn. That their own survival and that of their allies as MPs might well depend on winning that election is clearly not part of the calculation, so determined are they to stop Corbyn. This faction in the party seemed to have gone quiet last summer, when it momentarily would have been hard not to be dismissed as churlish to criticise the leader for delivering a much better result in the general election than any of them had imagined possible.

Of all Corbyn’s stances they have shown themselves ready to thwart, the one about abuse, respect and a kinder politics has been the one most trampled. The rhetorical practices of individuals in politics, in public as well as in private, are on a downward slide. Seemliness and decorum have gone the way of courtesy and consideration. While some complain more and more vociferously that they are subjected to abuse and vilification, others step up the invective and the venom. In practice, many combine these stances, putting themselves forward as indomitable martyrs. We live in strange times.

In the Palace of Westminster late on a Tuesday, Margaret Hodge confronted her leader. Whether it was a chance encounter or a planned ambush goes unrecorded. What she said is not disputed. There were witnesses.

You’re a fucking anti-Semite and a racist.”

It’s perfectly impossible to imagine a comparable verbal attack by an MP on a party leader – of any party at any time in parliamentary history – taking place. Bill Cash assaulting John Major in such terms? Woodrow Wyatt saying things like that to Harold Wilson’s face? Antony Nutting bearding Eden on any terms at all? Absolutely unthinkable. It also cannot be imagined that personal abuse to the face of any other party leader would not be received with the most virulent condemnation from all sections of the party in question. There would be questions as to whether the MP was drunk. It would certainly be universally accepted that the MP would lose the whip and probably be expelled from the party and banned from the Palace of Westminster.

Yet MPs duly condemned Corbyn’s office for describing Hodge’s words as “unacceptable” and saying that “action will be taken”. If Hodge’s words are acceptable, how come much of the media reproduced them substituting “f******” for “fucking”? That implicitly announces that the word is not acceptable to readers, viewers and listeners, an awkward circle for Corbyn-hating editors to square. What about the accusations against Corbyn? If it’s acceptable to accuse someone of being an anti-Semite, is it okay to call someone a swindler or a paedophile? If Hodge’s words are acceptable, then where is the threshold? Can anyone say anything to anybody? Who can complain at being described as a fascist in the House or being called a cunt on social media?

Once upon a time, politicians were witty and resourceful and, if they wanted to insult someone they did it in a way that made everybody else and, with luck, the victim laugh. Churchill was good at this. The redoubtable Bessie Braddock, stout of heart and form, encountered the PM in the Palace of Westminster. “Winston, you are drunk,” she chided. “Bessie, you are ugly,” Churchill shot back. “But in the morning I shall be sober and you will still be ugly”. Churchill wouldn’t have heard of body-shaming. No, it’s not politically correct, but nor it a baseless slur decorated with an expletive.

Like Falstaff, Churchill was not only witty in himself but the cause that wit was in others. Margot, Lady Asquith said of him “He would kill his own mother so that he could use her skin to make a drum to beat his own praises”. I bet he enjoyed that.

In the House, there are many sins that you are not permitted to pin on a fellow member, including being drunk and being a liar. Disraeli nimbly stepped over this when anatomising Gladstone: “the right honourable member is a sophistical rhetorician inebriated by the exuberance of his own verbosity”. The House knew just what he meant but Mr Speaker was outfoxed. We like our politicians to show that they can tap-dance rather than merely stamp their feet.

Margaret Hodge has been the member for Barking since 1994. She accepted a damehood in the dissolution honours of 2015, just seventeen days before Corbyn became party leader. Nine months later, she was one of two MPs to request from the Labour Party chair that a vote of no confidence in the leader be moved.

She and Corbyn have history. It was on her watch as leader of Islington Council that allegations of child abuse in the Council’s children’s homes emerged. Hodge was obliged to reach a financial settlement with a whistle-blower whom she had attempted to discredit. Corbyn, an Islington MP throughout this period, has been accused of ‘silence’ on the issue, especially by one of his most consistent detractors, John Mann. Perhaps he was implicitly supporting Hodge. Had he condemned her, it would have carried weight.

One of the ways in which women have sought to challenge the predominance of men in many fields has been to talk like men. Is this all to the good? It used to be said that a gentleman was never unknowingly rude, a nice perception that confirmed the notion that there are rules of behaviour to be broken deliberately or not at all. I have no doubt that Dame Margaret intended to defame her leader. If she hoped to provoke him, she mistook her man. John Prescott perhaps would have socked her in the jaw. John Woodcock might have told her to go fuck herself. Corbyn said “I’m sorry you feel that”.

Cool, classy, effortlessly rising above it. Whatever else you make of this unprecedented vignette, you can certainly draw the conclusion that Margaret Hodge is no gentleman.

W Stephen Gilbert is the author of Jeremy Corbyn – Accidental Hero

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PeaceCora
PeaceCora
Jul 28, 2018 9:50 AM

Can anyone shed any light on the comment I read on another website, that Channel 4 News went to the bizarre extreme of interviewing a 14 year old Jewish girl, prompting her with questions about her fears because of things that Corbyn has allegedly said? I read this and was horrified at the blatant and outrageous propaganda that this must have been and on a par with anything that might have happened in Orwell’s 1984. I have not found anything else about this though?

A. Benge
A. Benge
Jul 28, 2018 4:36 PM
Reply to  PeaceCora

I think maybe this is the report you mean. It’s not clear what the 13yr old is asked, but she links the abuse she’s been getting to ‘what Jeremy Corbyn has been saying about Jewish people’. The journalist doesn’t bother to ask what that might be! A blatant lie is just allowed to stand! It’s a really one sided piece, no attempot to explain what the Labour party is trying to clarify etc. No mention of the fact that Jewish academics and lawyers agree with what they’re doing. Quite absurd and really sinister. https://www.channel4.com/news/jewish-newspapers-say-corbyn-government-would-be-threat-to-jewish-life

PeaceCora
PeaceCora
Jul 29, 2018 1:18 PM
Reply to  A. Benge

Thanks, for that. It is so appallingly biased and unbalanced. She was not challenged in her assumptions about anything he that Jeremy Corbyn has ‘allegedly’ said.

It is entirely down to the Right that this issue of anti-Semitism has blown up. The statement by the newspaper editor was very revealing, in that he was really just anti-Jeremy Corbyn.

PeaceCora
PeaceCora
Jul 29, 2018 1:20 PM
Reply to  PeaceCora

I find this blatant manipulation and politicising of so called anti-Semitism completely sickening. To pollute children like that is unforgivable.

Mulga Mumblebrain
Mulga Mumblebrain
Jul 30, 2018 9:45 AM
Reply to  PeaceCora

‘Polluting’ children with hatred is widespread in Israel, as Israeli researchers have noted, in the form of indoctrination into hatred of Arabs, Moslems and the Palestinians in particular. And mere ‘pollution’ is undoubtedly preferable to the Zionist approach to Gazan children ie blowing them, their families and/or neighbours and friends to pieces, or merely maiming them for life.

Mulga Mumblebrain
Mulga Mumblebrain
Jul 28, 2018 11:04 PM
Reply to  PeaceCora

The hate campaign has BARELY begun. The Zionists NEVER give up until the latest of their innumerable ‘enemies’ is destroyed. Corbyn’s refusal to bow and fully prostrate himself as required, puts him in real peril. As the Fraudian observed in a review of a book on Israel’s huge history of assassinations and death-squad attacks on leaders of its victims, their motto, drawn from the scriptures, like the Purim ‘preventative’ genocide, is ‘Rise up and kill first’.

duplicitousdemocracy
duplicitousdemocracy
Jul 27, 2018 4:41 PM

Chris Friel has written a paper joining all the dots in the attempt to destroy Corbyn. It was a very calculated campaign involving a number of well connected people. https://www.academia.edu/37055678/MURALGAGA

binra
binra
Jul 27, 2018 4:50 PM

I think it backfired as a lot who weren’t otherwise aware of the controlled Press, now are. This isn’t a blank cheque for Corbyn’s politics – but a giveaway that he is not one of the bought or compromised political class.
I would rather a cross party alliance for human being in vigilance against inhuman and destructive systems of management of human units. Which includes Pharma and Military Industrial but by no means stops there. Core human principles are not what most ‘rights’ legislation operates on.

A. Benge
A. Benge
Jul 27, 2018 11:01 PM

What a great bit of work.

duplicitousdemocracy
duplicitousdemocracy
Jul 30, 2018 6:24 AM
Reply to  A. Benge

Yes, I think so too, A. Benge. I know that the people who are plotting Corbyn’s downfall are worried about Chris’s research into their conspiracy. That’s another reason I’m trying to spread the url around as much as I can.

A. Benge
A. Benge
Jul 30, 2018 5:39 PM

A few days before the chicken coup, Dan Hodges described exactly
what would happen in an article in the Telegraph. He was correct in every detail.
So I’m not surprised he’s part of the oddly repulsive team.

Mulga Mumblebrain
Mulga Mumblebrain
Jul 27, 2018 11:43 PM

The Zionist campaign to destroy Corbyn, his ‘Leftwing policies’ and UK Labour, proceeds apace. The Fraudian sewer has another hysterical hit-piece by Zionist ultra, Freedland today. It begins, as is so often the case, with the usual emphasis on Jewish exceptionalism and their religious rites, and, as ever in these hit-pieces, a quick reference to ‘the Holocaust’, so as to set the proper scene, that of Corbyn and Labour as the heirs of all the other ‘antisemites’, even the very worst, in history. The clear imputation that Labour’s non-existent ‘antisemitism’ is of the same nature, at its roots, as that… Read more »

PeaceCora
PeaceCora
Jul 28, 2018 9:59 AM

I think that the longer this carries on, the more this smear campaign will become a massive shot in their own feet. I myself have never doubted the holocaust and I have never been ant-Semitic. I am non-racist like millions are, who never judge anyone by their race or their religion. I now though find myself n the uncomfortable position of becoming increasingly restfulness of this obscene politicisation of the Jewish religion, by this right wing, establishment movement. I even found myself today wondering if the history we have come to believe, was not in some way also manipulated.

PeaceCora
PeaceCora
Jul 28, 2018 10:01 AM
Reply to  PeaceCora

-that should read ‘increasingly resentful’

Paul Carline
Paul Carline
Jul 28, 2018 11:57 AM
Reply to  PeaceCora

There has been so much distortion – and suppression – of truth that it’s difficult to know where to start. If you care about the truth it makes sense to question everything, and especially the really big issues – including the endlessly repeated 6 million figure, which some honest Jewish historians have challenged. I would suggest reading Jewish writers on Jewish issues – like Norman Finkelstein’s “The Holocaust Industry”, for example. In 2009 (16 October), when British newspapers were not all singing from the same official hymn sheet, The Independent published an article titled: “Why would any writer make up… Read more »

Mulga Mumblebrain
Mulga Mumblebrain
Jul 30, 2018 2:58 AM
Reply to  Paul Carline

There is yet another filthy smear of Corbyn by a Zionist in the Fraudian today. This one is a Blairite enemy of Corbyn, Austin, an MP God help you all. In trade-mark fashion he begins with recollections of the Nazi Judeocide and how it affected his family, thus, as usual now, filthily insinuating a direct link between the Nazis and Corbyn. What follows is a number of lies, long refuted, but Zionists are NOTHING if not recidivist liars once their blood is up-just ask the Palestinians. But, as far as the Zionist lynch-mobs are concerned, all non-groveling goyim are Palestinians,… Read more »

Mulga Mumblebrain
Mulga Mumblebrain
Jul 30, 2018 9:57 AM
Reply to  PeaceCora

‘Going Underground’ on RT had a Jewish guest, a member of the Jewish Voice for Labour or some such title. He observed that the IHRA ‘guidelines’ were only indicative, not Holy Writ, and were rejected some time ago by the EU organ that had requested their production. He also observed that scores of Jewish groups, in the UK and elsewhere, had supported Corbyn and Labour in the face of this deranged Zionist hate campaign. But, of course, the Fraudian sewer and the other fakestream media cess-pools, and the Blairite and other Zionist Quislings inside Labour, LIE that the attitude of… Read more »

A. Benge
A. Benge
Jul 30, 2018 11:39 AM
Reply to  PeaceCora

The trouble is, too many people would have to retract their slanderous statements to allow
this attack to end. I think there ought to be some crowd funding for victims to sue for
slander or libel. That might shut some of the witch-hunters up for a bit.

mark
mark
Jul 30, 2018 6:10 AM

The anti semitic smear campaign against Corbyn has been rumbling on for some time, but things now seem to be coming to a head. There are various reasons for this. The general drive by rabid Zionist organisations like the Board of Deputies and its foreign equivalents to criminalise any and all criticism of Israel, and to demand instant punishment of any statement they deem to be “offensive.” Apparently they, and only they, have a right not to be offended. Ken Livingstone was hounded and kicked out of the Party for a comment that was manifestly historically accurate. Mark Wadsworth was… Read more »

A. Benge
A. Benge
Jul 30, 2018 11:50 AM
Reply to  mark

Crispin Blunt?
I thing it’s the Strategic Affairs Ministry, rather than Mossad, that has this particular remit these days.

timfrom
timfrom
Jul 30, 2018 5:26 PM
Reply to  mark

It’s Corbyn’s likely foreign policy direction and the implications this has for both Israel and the arms industry is what makes him Public Enemy No.1 for these people. He will need phenomenal security to fend off the assasins that are likely to be training their sights on him before, and on entering, No. 10.

It is imperative to remove/silence the backstabbers from the party in, well, the next few weeks really. By Any Means Necessary.

Mulga Mumblebrain
Mulga Mumblebrain
Jul 30, 2018 11:26 PM
Reply to  timfrom

Corbyn will NEVER ie not in this universal epoch, be allowed to be UK PM. The Zionists will not allow it, the ruling UK elite will not allow it and the thugs in Thanatopolis DC will not allow it. He must go. Indeed, even a recantation won’t save him now. He is that thing that Chomsky described as being utterly unacceptable to the global parasite elites-the ‘good example’. If the UK could escape the global parasitic blood-sucking system, who might be next? Venezuela can be subverted and strangled, its leader murdered with induced cancer, or Brazil delivered back to the… Read more »

timfrom
timfrom
Jul 31, 2018 5:07 PM

Well, we live in hope, Mulga. Without that we truly ARE fucked!

Harry Law
Harry Law
Jul 26, 2018 12:33 PM

This document is essential reading for anyone commenting on this issue: https://judiciary.house.gov/wp-content/uploads/2017/10/Stern-Testimony-11.07.17.pdf In it, the man who drafted the definition under discussion urges Congress NOT to include in legislation the various examples such as those that Labour has omitted, on the grounds that in practice those examples are regularly used by those with a political agenda to suppress academic and political discussion of the actions of the Israeli Government. How can Labour be wrong if they are doing what the author of the definition urges? “Passage of this legislation might make some pro Israel students feel better, that Congress agrees… Read more »

Mulga Mumblebrain
Mulga Mumblebrain
Jul 27, 2018 9:39 AM
Reply to  Harry Law

The Fraudian, amazingly, today has five eminent UK Jews discussing the IHRA ‘definitions’. Three are, in my opinion, quite sensible and point out how these authoritarian strictures will outlaw Free Speech and Freedom of Opinion, as they are intended to do. One commenter is a bog-standard Zionist, and the last seems to be having an each-way bet. But as we can see in two of the most thoroughly controlled slave states, the USA and France, the Zionists’ ambition is to destroy ALL criticism of Israel, and all support for the Palestinians, and even criminalise it, as has happened in France.

binra
binra
Jul 27, 2018 12:04 PM

Of course and this is another step in a long process of achieving the power to do so. ‘Destroy’ is really deny by threat of legal penalty. There are many who are in prison for simply acting and speaking in true witness and conscience. There are many who lose their career for whistleblowing fraud. You are free to think and act but you are never free from consequence of action – therefore align in what you truly love and take what comes. With the Internet anything you have said in the past can be brought forward as a crime now.… Read more »

tonyopmoc
tonyopmoc
Jul 25, 2018 10:50 PM

Today, I twice tried to post a link to this website on Craig Murray’s and my posts were deleted after a few minutes on the first attempt, and almost instantly on the smaller version. So I want to Thank You Guys at OFF-GUARDIAN. What merits deletion in this? “Storming comment on Off_Guardian by Mulga Mumblebrain…I doubt it will last long here, even though it is quite obviously true. “Hodge’s vile abuse, in my opinion, was plainly planned as part of the Zionist/Blairite campaign to destroy Corbyn. Not only did Hodge vilely slander Corbyn, but she also started wailing about her… Read more »

Mulga Mumblebrain
Mulga Mumblebrain
Jul 26, 2018 8:51 AM
Reply to  tonyopmoc

I was censored off Craig Murray’s excellent blog once I started criticising ‘Zionists’. I may have called them something more accurate, but less mealy-mouthed. On the other hand, his Comments are replete with Zionist apologists.

binra
binra
Jul 26, 2018 10:30 AM
Reply to  tonyopmoc

Mentioning OG is a sure way to get deleted. And mulga’s vitriol undermines his message except to the already believers who find self-reinforcement in hating the hated. The very nature of the mind-trap of this issue is such that to speak only to the issue is to negotiate a ‘territory’ of hate and fear. But to zoom out from particulars – if Mind in its true sense is indivisible, non physical and always, then the trick of a captured attention offers a way to persist in division as a sense of both ruling over – and being ruled out (of… Read more »

mog
mog
Jul 26, 2018 2:58 PM
Reply to  tonyopmoc

Tony, As mentioned below by me, Craig Murray deleted any mention of Brenner’s historical work at the time of Livingstone’s suspension, work which shows extensive zionist appeasement of, sympathy with, and collusion with, the most offensively racist regimes of the twentieth century. I wrote to him about this censorship and he replied : There was indeed some talk of common interest between crackpot Zionists and crackpot Nazis. It is also true there was some between crackpot Scottish Nationalists and the Nazis. But fringe events ought not be accorded exceptional significance. The facts you cite are a favourite topic of people… Read more »

Mulga Mumblebrain
Mulga Mumblebrain
Jul 27, 2018 9:45 AM
Reply to  mog

Oh dear-that shews Murray to be grossly ignorant of the German Zionists’ contacts and co-operation with the Nazis, and the Transfer Agreement, or some sort of possibly intimidated disinformer. The Zionists make quite a little cottage industry out of denying the undeniable, like the fascist roots of Jabotinsky style Zionism, not to forget the standard European colonial settler racist hatred of the Indigenous whose land is coveted, but to see Murray ignorantly parroting that garbage re-writing of history is most disappointing. Particularly in the case of Livingstone being lynched by a lying mob, for the crime of telling the truth.

vexarb
vexarb
Jul 25, 2018 6:15 PM

While Westminster is playing its self-absorbed little word games, Pepe Escobar of Asia Times considers the probable effects of the latest U$rael thrust against Iran: “Back to reality, the stark options would come down to either Iran becoming a US satellite, or else Iran closing the Strait of Hormuz – something that for all practical purposes would collapse the global economy. I have been assured that Iran’s Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps has the technological means to block the Strait and would not flinch to go for it rather than yield, if the going gets tough. President Rouhani cannot resist the… Read more »

Mulga Mumblebrain
Mulga Mumblebrain
Jul 25, 2018 9:48 PM
Reply to  vexarb

The invertebrates in Westminster will do whatever Bibi wants-or the Fraudian reptiles will savage them as ‘antisemites’.

Minutoamezzanotte
Minutoamezzanotte
Jul 26, 2018 7:51 PM

Well said Mulga. Zionazis can only be exposed and defeated if people see them for what they are. Here are two links to Stephen Lendman’s articles on Global Research:
Palestinian Truth-Telling Criminalized by Israel
https://www.globalresearch.ca/palestinian-truth-telling-criminalized-by-israel/5648690
Israel Murdering Defenceless Palestinian Youths and Children
https://www.globalresearch.ca/palestinian-truth-telling-criminalized-by-israel/5648690
Forgot to say, Stephen is also an “antisemite” like the rest of us commenting here.

Jen
Jen
Jul 27, 2018 2:14 AM

Is Stephen Lendman not also a self-hating Jewish person?

binra
binra
Jul 27, 2018 7:43 AM
Reply to  Jen

The language of confusion and deceit is not that which exposes the deceit. ‘Anti-semite’ is itself a psyop – that is, a multi-faceted weapon of deceit. If you are anti Jew, say so – but is it Jews en masse or Jewish mafia who work the Jewish identity? You can easily meet loveable Jewish people who have no affinity with Israeli politics. The whole nature of shadow power is its ability to hide in shifting shadows. I say you cannot really name the power that works an anti human agenda without including yourself. Because deceits work through the minds of… Read more »

manfromatlan
manfromatlan
Jul 27, 2018 9:11 AM
Reply to  binra

Sorry, but even suggesting that “mulga or others resort to hate language” is a sign of falling for that particular psyop, since you then create a paradigm of one set of people defining “hate” and the other, policing it. I prefer to look at actions than words, since debate simply is the currency of democracy.

Mulga Mumblebrain
Mulga Mumblebrain
Jul 27, 2018 9:51 AM
Reply to  manfromatlan

Thank-you-I ceased reading binra’s maundering pontifications some time ago. If not ‘hate’ what reaction to vicious and barbaric oppression, and lying denial of it, would the Great Sage prefer, I wonder. I spent many years attempting to argue with Zionists without losing my equanimity, out of concern for what they were doing to themselves, morally and spiritually, as much as for the travails of their victims, but nearly always that was met by abuse and vilification in return. Mind you, most of the Jews I have known, personally, were and are anti-Zionists.

binra
binra
Jul 27, 2018 12:08 PM

Honesty is always welcome. Snark and smear demeans you.
The saying is that we become the thing we hate. I feel it holds true.

binra
binra
Jul 27, 2018 11:29 AM
Reply to  manfromatlan

manfromatlan : Perhaps you cannot ‘see’ your own hate when you you are identified in self-righteousness? Because it reads as justified targeting of blame. An honesty of feeling the hateful is not the same as dumping it on others – who in this case are ‘Jewish or Zionists’. Well that’s not true but that is how a mob mind works. Points can be made without resort to hate language – and the more potential for controversy, the more vital it is that the issues be addressed without personal vilifications, insinuations, snark and smear. I don’t police mulga or anyone else… Read more »

Joe Hill
Joe Hill
Jul 29, 2018 7:33 PM
Reply to  binra

Your comment strikes me as muddled psychobabble with a bit of New Age mumbo-jumbo tossed in.

Not particularly relevant to the life and death struggle being waged against Israeli racism, apartheid and ,mass murder. Quite unconvincing.

Mulga Mumblebrain
Mulga Mumblebrain
Jul 30, 2018 10:00 AM
Reply to  Joe Hill

‘Muddled psychobabble’-perfect!

Jen
Jen
Jul 29, 2018 11:31 PM
Reply to  binra

When I asked “Is Stephen Lendman not also a self-hating Jewish person?”, I was only being sarcastic.

binra
binra
Aug 5, 2018 10:31 PM
Reply to  Jen

I wasn’t addressing that. “Jew hater’ is the name given to Jews who criticize Jewish power by Jewish narrative control is it not?

john2o2o
john2o2o
Jul 25, 2018 5:42 PM

I think it is time to stop publicly smearing people. Whoever they are. It does indeed say more about the person who is doing the smearing than the person accused. It is tempting (and cheap) to ask if it would be anti-semitic to label Hodge a craven, over-privileged bitch, for example. So I won’t do that. Jeremy isn’t the only recent target of this sort of abuse. Elon Musk recently smeared someone in an appalling way and it is common practice for the ms media to smear people who hold opinions that go against the mainsteam, for example on Syria.… Read more »

binra
binra
Jul 25, 2018 7:18 PM
Reply to  john2o2o

Well one can only teach by example – or else ‘do as I say and not as I do’ operates the wishfulness of a masking over un-owned and un-faced conflicts and issues. The underbelly of guilted fear, hate or shame and etc is running underneath the mind’s attempt to eradicate it, pretend it away or hide it. This is already a manipulative or split mind and attracts to itself in like kind. Because this is the ‘information’ that manipulators seek to install or uncover so as to run you through your own mind-habits. For healing or reintegrative recognition, the conflict… Read more »

Tom
Tom
Jul 25, 2018 3:45 PM

It’s a shame that the lessons of the #metoo movement don’t seem to apply to foul-mouthed female bullies like Hodge.

vexarb
vexarb
Jul 25, 2018 11:24 AM

And the reality that Westminster’s Skripal Farce is trying to divert your attention from: Russia’s super weapons are superior to NATZO’s super weapons.

http://thesaker.is/us-is-going-to-have-to-face-reality-russias-superweapons-are-far-superior-to-natos/

The AZC, having lost militarily both in Syria and Ukraine, and facing military inferiority versus Russia and China, are now trying desperately to maintain their hold on government in the Westminster by subterfuge such as Parliamentary Friends of Israel and their pathetic smear campaign of “Anti-anti-Semitism”.

Mulga Mumblebrain
Mulga Mumblebrain
Jul 25, 2018 9:52 PM
Reply to  vexarb

The loathsome Polly Toynbee has joined the ‘smear Corbyn as an ‘antisemite’ campaign today, even quoting May approvingly. The hideous old feminazi is most concerned that Labour may be on the point of purging the elected Blairite Quislings from the Party, before they can sabotage any putative Corbyn Government by defecting, and joining the Tories in a ‘We Love Israel’ coalition.

bevin
bevin
Jul 25, 2018 10:53 PM

Polly was also an enthusiastic supporter of the SDP secession from the Labour Party which consolidated Thatcher’s rule by splitting the Labour Party. I remember her welcoming Thatcher, the UK’s first female Prime Minister, as a great step forward for women. Rich women, that is because for poor people neo-liberalism has been a disaster. Needless to say Polly a n admirer of Tony Blair is also a determined campaigner against Brexit. The terrible thing is that when people like Polly equate socialist reforms and an independent foreign policy with anti-semitism they are laying the foundations for a mass movement inclined… Read more »

Mulga Mumblebrain
Mulga Mumblebrain
Jul 26, 2018 8:58 AM
Reply to  bevin

The Zionists have long allied themselves with fascists, like ‘Christian Zionists’ and the European Islamophobic hard Right, like the Zionist created ‘English Defence League’ (just like Kahane’s ‘Jewish Defence League’, an arrogant give-away in nomenclature). These groups, of course, don’t really like Jews, the ‘Christians’ only seeing Israel as a means to cause the End Times when the Jews must convert or be destroyed, and the racist fascists will happily turn on the Jews again, once the opportunity comes. Zionism is nothing if not recklessly risk-taking.

Barbara Goodsell
Barbara Goodsell
Aug 9, 2018 8:04 PM
Reply to  bevin

Polly lost me years ago, when posing as a poor person in the Fraudian – she was shocked to find chopped tinned tomatoes were more expensive than ordinary peeled tomatoes – she had no idea, when all the rest of us KNOW. This confirmed to be she prob doesn’t even do her own shopping or at least never looks at what things are costing her…

binra
binra
Jul 26, 2018 8:18 AM

Personal derision and smear aside – there may be some substance within what you said. While at times coining pet words can seem creative, it generally operates a bubblespeak that effectively invites joining in hate – over and against an accused asserted evil. Shouting to the choir. Insofar as I find the hateful in myself, I abhor, empty or release myself of what has no belonging in my giving and receiving. Then I can speak to the issue without personal investment in the form of the outcome. I see that speaking truth to power requires this level of self-resonsibility. The… Read more »

vexarb
vexarb
Jul 25, 2018 9:59 AM

Meanwhile, back in the real world, what the “anti-Semitism” storm in the Westminster teacup is trying to divert attention from. Analyst Canthama BTL SyrPer: Israel lost big time this war of aggression against the Syrians. Though the IDF and its ISIS proxies managed to destroy many things in Syria, they gave Hizb’Allah the opportunity to train, on the job, its fighters in Large Scale Warfare with major & complex coordination of multiple groups and the use of modern hardware in battles, Also to mention, that millions of militia men (jointly funded by Iran, Syria and Iraq) were trained in this… Read more »

George
George
Jul 25, 2018 8:08 AM

Descent into infantile abuse is something that is being encouraged all the way – especially on the internet. The best way to divide people is to get them to scream at each other.

manfromatlan
manfromatlan
Jul 25, 2018 11:55 PM
Reply to  George

The reptilian brain responds well to the fight or flight rhythms of social media.

MichaelK
MichaelK
Jul 25, 2018 7:48 AM

If any other state in which the ‘far right’ held political power, in Central Europe for example, had passed such deeply offensive laws and expressed these attitudes to ethnicity; the liberal progressives in our media would be outraged and roundly condemn them as flagrantly undermining democratic values and the multi-cultural utopia they seem to favour so passionately. But because it’s Israel things are different, appeasement is the order of the day and understanding. Far-right Israeli ethno-nationalism isn’t even touched on, as this, by itself, could be seen by Israel and its supporters/allies as ‘anti-semitism.’ Corbyn’s strategy seems to be to… Read more »

Mulga Mumblebrain
Mulga Mumblebrain
Jul 25, 2018 9:57 PM
Reply to  MichaelK

You’re correct, Michael. The almost absolute absence of condemnation of Israel declaring itself an apartheid theocracy is prime facie evidence of the total control that the Zionists wield over the Western fakestream sewer. Not just by direct ownership and financial pressure, but by the terror that a false charge of ‘antisemitism’ might end their career. As you observe, imagine if Russia did anything even remotely similar.

Jen
Jen
Jul 25, 2018 12:32 AM

Not so long after Margaret Hodge insulted Jeremy Corbyn both personally and in print in The Fraudian, the Knesset passed the Nation State legislation as a Basic Law. https://knesset.gov.il/spokesman/eng/PR_eng.asp?PRID=13978 It starts: 1. Basic principles A. The land of Israel is the historical homeland of the Jewish people, in which the State of Israel was established. B. The State of Israel is the national home of the Jewish people, in which it fulfills its natural, cultural, religious and historical right to self-determination. C. The right to exercise national self-determination in the State of Israel is unique to the Jewish people …… Read more »

Mulga Mumblebrain
Mulga Mumblebrain
Jul 25, 2018 4:51 AM
Reply to  Jen

As one observer noted, that makes Israel a fully fledged apartheid theocracy, as a Jew is defined by religion, not race. And an apartheid theocracy to which all Western politicians must swear undeviating loyalty-or else.

binra
binra
Jul 25, 2018 12:20 PM

Religion only insofar as it serves purpose. That is the forms of anything are used to mask in. The Jewish Identity is anything but homogenous or unified – except in respect to the fear of being turned against by OTHERS just because they are ‘Jewish’. Jewish identity – like any identity, operates self protectively. The self-specialness of exceptionalism (not recognizing others as equally human) is not unique to Jews, but there is a significant effect from the marrying of intelligence and wealth over two millennia. So Jewish influence in all cultural endeavour is disproportionate to their demographic distribution. Jewish Internationalism… Read more »

Jim Scott
Jim Scott
Jul 25, 2018 8:01 AM
Reply to  Jen

The Nation state Law seemed to miss an important fact. The land of Israel was occupied by a number of other ethnic groups who were not Jewish. Also the Jewish control of the region only lasted around 17 years in the thousands of years of history. Sure the Jewish people killed many of the other ethnic groups like the Canaanites but the reality is there are others with a greater and earlier claim to the region now called Israel. And those people who have lived there for thousands of years alongside the Jewish people deserve human rights as much as… Read more »

Jen
Jen
Jul 26, 2018 6:10 AM
Reply to  Jim Scott

The Nation State Law (which is now a Basic Law) didn’t miss an important fact … it denies the fact completely.

W Stephen Gilbert
W Stephen Gilbert
Jul 24, 2018 10:04 PM

The Oxford lexicographers give its second meaning as “bitterly hostile”. I’m not clear what your problem is.

W Stephen Gilbert
W Stephen Gilbert
Jul 24, 2018 10:12 PM

Sorry, this is misplaced. It was meant to answer a comment down the thread.

Kaiama
Kaiama
Jul 24, 2018 8:16 PM

Nancy Astor was said to have commented “If I were your wife I would poison your coffee…”

To which Sir Winston Churchill promptly replied with “And if I were your husband, I would drink it”.

jag37777
jag37777
Jul 24, 2018 8:16 PM

Frankly, I’m getting tired of Corbyn’s meekness. The left needs fighters. Compromise has seen the complete dominance of the right.
And all this civility nonsense works into the hands of the fascists.

A. Benge
A. Benge
Jul 24, 2018 8:41 PM
Reply to  jag37777

I agree. The more he gives in, the more they’ll bully.
Apart from anything, the accusations are too preposterous to go unchallenged.
By not challenging them the ridiculous ‘rules’ are being normalised.
Why does he keep apologising for false accusations?

jag37777
jag37777
Jul 24, 2018 10:24 PM
Reply to  A. Benge

I think he’s being badly advised by people he mistakenly believes are allies and leftists. Lansman is a zionist snake and Momentum are decidedly not what they purport to be. McDonnell is just hopeless.

manfromatlan
manfromatlan
Jul 26, 2018 12:00 AM
Reply to  A. Benge

Because this is the pattern of abuse. Apologize for something even if you know you haven’t done anything wrong because something or someone’s being held hostage to give in to it: marriage, your children, a party. Except you DO have options, like um, leave, get a divorce, throw the bums out your house?

Mulga Mumblebrain
Mulga Mumblebrain
Jul 24, 2018 11:50 PM
Reply to  jag37777

Hodge’s vile abuse, in my opinion, was plainly planned as part of the Zionist/Blairite campaign to destroy Corbyn. Not only did Hodge vilely slander Corbyn, but she also started wailing about her family members who died in the Nazi Judeocide, thus clearly linking Corbyn to the Nazis. That is so repulsive,( but utterly typical of Zionist tactics), not least in the abuse of the memory of the victims of that horror for the rankest political purposes, that it thoroughly warrants dismissal from the Party. But, unlike Labour’s great stalwart Livingstone, ‘guilty’ of telling the truth about Zionist co-operation with the… Read more »

A. Benge
A. Benge
Jul 25, 2018 2:18 AM

There’s more than hypocrisy. I’ve been checking out the obsessed groups scouring the dustbins
for proof of their victimhood at the hands of Corbyn supporters; JVLWatch, The CAA. LabourAntisemitism, etc etc There are definite signs of mass psychosis. They really are demented. The apparent hypocrisy is the result
of an complete inability to think straight.

Mulga Mumblebrain
Mulga Mumblebrain
Jul 25, 2018 5:49 AM
Reply to  A. Benge

The Zionist lynch-mob represents only part of English Jewry. Those Jews who do not agree with the Jewish elites’ hate campaigns against Corbyn have been erased from existence by sewers like the Fraudian. The Jewish elites claim to speak on behalf of ALL Jews, a lie that the Rightwing media and the Tories regurgitate, all in a great, open, conspiracy with the Blairite Quislings to destroy Corbyn and ensure continuing elite rule, one-sided class war and foreign aggression and genocide that go on indefinitely. As Hodge so perfectly illustrates, as do innumerable Likudnik fascists and Orthodox and Ultra-Orthodox goy-haters (and… Read more »

George
George
Jul 25, 2018 8:26 AM

“she also started wailing about her family members who died in the Nazi Judeocide”

This is such a familiar “wail” that I wonder how much “mileage” is left in this particular line. I have no idea what the truth is about Hodge’s family past. Her claims may be true. But I’m reminded of a comment from Norman Finkelstein whose own family lived through the Holocaust. Finkelstein commented that his own mother used to say, “If all the people who survived the Holocaust really had then who did Hitler kill?”

Ricsi
Ricsi
Jul 25, 2018 4:32 PM
Reply to  George

Spot on truth from a jew, Auschwitz plaque used to say 4 million died,now it says around 1 million,jew maths 6 minus 3 still equals 6 ???

Mulga Mumblebrain
Mulga Mumblebrain
Jul 25, 2018 10:14 PM
Reply to  Ricsi

The important concerns with the Nazi crimes, in my opinion, are, first, to not deny the murder of the Jews, whether four million or six. That would be morally repugnant and fall right into the Zionists’ hands. But, as well, we ought, I believe, strongly criticise those Zionists who use the Judeocide as an excuse for Israel’s barbaric crimes. And we must oppose the ‘Holocaust’ religion, that has quasi-deified Jews in the West, and made ‘remembrance’ of that genocide, AND NO OTHER, a veritable religion throughout the West. While the ‘Holocaust’ religion bombards us with an almost daily diet of… Read more »

George
George
Jul 25, 2018 10:27 PM

I agree that allowing disgust at Zionist manipulation to spill over into overt anti-Semitism plays right into their hands. I often find that sites which attempt to critically asses the Holocaust often cross this line. Indeed many of those sites turn out to have tirades against the Left and modernity too – in short they are often neo-Nazi sites. I sometimes think this is intentional i.e. a false duality is being posited. Either you accept completely the Zionist emotional blackmail bollocks or you are a Nazi.

Jen
Jen
Jul 26, 2018 6:08 AM
Reply to  George

The tragedy behind this development where we have to choose between two odious extremes is that the Israeli government deliberately fanned this particular flame by positing that Israeli interests were synonymous with and should stand for Jewish interests, even when the situation was such that what looked good for short-term Israeli political interests (or the interests of the small number of individuals and families that dominate Israeli politics and society) would harm the long-term interests of Jewish communities around the world.

Mulga Mumblebrain
Mulga Mumblebrain
Jul 26, 2018 9:32 AM
Reply to  Jen

Not only that, but the Zionists are the source of much of the Islamophobia that has driven the genocides in Afghanistan, Sudan, Somalia, Iraq, Syria, Gaza, Libya etc, with Iran firmly in the gun-sights. Not just through financing of Islamophobes, and the propaganda of the ‘Clash of Civilizations’ or even the 9/11 false flag, but through popular entertainment, particularly Hollywood, which always portrays Arabs, Moslems and Palestinians in particular in ways that would make Streicher blush. Mentioning this RELENTLESS hate-mongering is, of course, insufferably ‘antisemitic’.

binra
binra
Jul 26, 2018 10:09 AM

The lie can be insinuated into your mind – but you do not have to listen there.
The deceiver then offers a course in vigilance and housekeeping.
It is by reacting that we take the baited hook – and reactive anti anything speaks of the mind captive to a hate agenda.
Perhaps the increased intensity of being so ‘baited’ and lied to is the last chance to ‘catch the bus’ of a different operating system than hate-fuelled identity – including that which masks under ‘social acceptability’.

binra
binra
Jul 26, 2018 9:30 AM
Reply to  George

Yes – in order to research one has to tune in to the signal and tune out the noise. Some of the noise is enough to keep out anything but a desire for true that does not first frame what truth should be. Identity in hate operates the same agenda whatever ‘side’. Part of the mechanism is of being so insulted as to be baited and triggered into hate reaction – and the insult in this issue runs much deeper than hurt feelings – or rather the hurt is so terribly felt as to want to push it away or… Read more »

binra
binra
Jul 26, 2018 8:53 AM

The use of victim to guilt ‘others’ is the way power in the world operates. This goes down deep – in terms of the human personality structure. International Jewish power may in some sense be the first to acquire and apply such a manipulative ‘technology’ within the modern times of the global reach of outer technologies – but the underlying idea is a golem or robotic set of reactions that can be set up or framed in such a way as to serve one’s agenda – even perhaps while convinced they are opposing it. Its usage is very clever and… Read more »

ThomPrentice (@ThomPrentice)
ThomPrentice (@ThomPrentice)
Jul 24, 2018 8:13 PM

In a word, NO. Although I used to think YES. This is the way Ann Richards waltzed into the Texas Governor’s mansion and her reign was no different than the white men (and one impeached governor’s wife) who preceded her. She did a lot for DI-VER-SI-TAY — which sounded good at the time in the same way “AH FEEL YORE PAIN” sounded good at the time. But we went backwards and backwards fast. RE: One of the ways in which women have sought to challenge the predominance of men in many fields has been to talk like men. Is this… Read more »

Mathias Alexander
Mathias Alexander
Jul 25, 2018 6:58 AM

Where is the question that Thom Prentice is saying “No” to?

Achie1954
Achie1954
Jul 24, 2018 7:37 PM

I absolutely detest filthy language. To me, there is no room for it in public discourse, nor from my personal position, in private discourse as well. Crudeness implies a certain lack of sophistication and language capability!

jag37777
jag37777
Jul 24, 2018 10:26 PM
Reply to  Achie1954

Said many a polite, civilised carpet bombing imperialist.

binra
binra
Jul 25, 2018 1:59 PM
Reply to  jag37777

Saying may show compliance and conformity to ‘correctness’ – but the doing is the fruit of what is held within. I don’t know that swearing is filthy – excepting we deem it and suffer it so. I understand that many have an active antipathy to swearing in or under any context but I still hold that the true context is what provides the meaning. So in Corbyn’s quote I detect the context of ‘correctness’. However that does not make him an ‘evil person’. The ability to articulate is not in itself necessarily and expression of integrity. In what way do… Read more »

manfromatlan
manfromatlan
Jul 25, 2018 11:51 PM
Reply to  jag37777

But not all.

bob
bob
Jul 24, 2018 6:24 PM

Is Hodge still a member fo the labour party? Why hasn’t she been scaked? What is the labour party for?

Admin
Admin
Jul 24, 2018 9:00 PM
Reply to  bob

Being scaked sounds grim – but probably deserved

Francis Lee
Francis Lee
Jul 24, 2018 9:34 PM
Reply to  bob

What is Labour for? Good question. I wish I knew.

Mulga Mumblebrain
Mulga Mumblebrain
Jul 24, 2018 11:53 PM
Reply to  bob

The UK Labour Party exists to serve Israel-it’s right there in the compulsory IHRA ‘guidelines’, paragraph 223, sub-section 342.

Punnoval
Punnoval
Jul 24, 2018 6:01 PM

Surely Mr. Gilbert has got it wrong about “Churchill wit”. Here is the true versions of many of Churchill’s “legendary” quips:
http://billanddavescocktailhour.com/the-churchill-wit/

That is where Margaret Hodge must have found her inspiration.

Francis Lee
Francis Lee
Jul 24, 2018 9:38 PM
Reply to  Punnoval

Yes, a particular favourite of mine is: ”An empty taxi drew up and Attlee got out.” In a more contemporary context it would read: ”An empty Limousine drew up and Jan Stoltenberg got out.”

Jen
Jen
Jul 25, 2018 12:21 AM
Reply to  Francis Lee

Actually the contemporary context was: “An empty taxi stalled on its way. Why? Jens Stoltenberg was driving it.”

Believe it.

Mulga Mumblebrain
Mulga Mumblebrain
Jul 25, 2018 10:19 PM
Reply to  Francis Lee

Or, as the Goons said, ‘A hansom-cab drew up, and out stepped an ugly passenger’.

wardropper
wardropper
Jul 30, 2018 1:02 PM

The Goons said it all – about everything.
I wish our political “representatives” had 1% of their wit.

W Stephen Gilbert
W Stephen Gilbert
Jul 24, 2018 9:55 PM
Reply to  Punnoval

Our readers may not know (but of course you do) that your link is to a satirical site. It’s not altogether successful because, although Churchill had an American mother, he never actually spoke American.

Punnoval
Punnoval
Jul 24, 2018 11:01 PM

When I saw your Churchill quote, I stumbled over to my walker and shuffled to my dusty bookcase. There, I found a 1973 copy of “The National Lampoon Encyclopedia of Humor”, done mostly by the long deceased Michael O’Donoghue. The Churchill Wit item has been copied many times on different websites.
I remember finding it funny at the time as it seemed a lot closer to the “true Churchill persona” than the artsy clever stuff that’s attributed to him.

Jen
Jen
Jul 25, 2018 12:19 AM
Reply to  Punnoval

Let’s hope the not so Honourable Member for Barking finds her inspiration in Winston Churchill’s wit only. I dread to think what would happen if she finds inspiration in past actions and opinions of his concerning people in far-off British colonial territories. ‘O’Reilly, Churchill and “Poison Gas” ‘ https://richardlangworth.com/poisongas Sam Dalrymple “The shameful truth about Churchill” http://cherwell.org/2017/12/23/churchill-and-india/ Richard Seymour “The Real Winston Churchill” https://www.jacobinmag.com/2018/01/winston-churchill-british-empire-colonialism In the context of this comments forum and the article it’s attached to, mention of Winston Churchill is unfortunate if innocent on Punnoval’s part.

manfromatlan
manfromatlan
Jul 26, 2018 12:06 AM
Reply to  Jen

The point I believe was in civilized debate it’s always better to respond with wit than childish insult. Margaret Hodge will sadly, never grow up.

Jen
Jen
Jul 26, 2018 6:02 AM
Reply to  manfromatlan

Sadly it seems that in Westminster these days, there is neither proper debate nor civilisation. Margaret Hodge is one of many petulant overgrown toddlers. She would not dare to insult Jeremy Corbyn if she did not think she had the support of other Blairite Labour Party members in case Corbyn decided to give her what she deserved.

binra
binra
Jul 26, 2018 10:01 AM
Reply to  manfromatlan

Quite a few people elect to a crash course in life on their deathbed.
Never say never – except you recognise the active limit to your own thought, perception and perspective.
You don’t have to live who she is being the expression of – but I feel you will find that judgement blocks our own freedom in being.
Some people in my life have helped me recognize who I am NOT or where NOT to go.
They may not have intended this – but I took the education.

vexarb
vexarb
Jul 25, 2018 8:22 AM
Reply to  Punnoval

@Punoval. Yes, sounds just like Margaret Hodge, “Go F***k yourself”. So unlike the deadly courtesy of Churchill’s own wit: ”

Shaw: I am enclosing two tickets to the first night of my new play; bring a friend—if you have one.

Churchill: Cannot possibly attend first night; will attend second—if there is one.

binra
binra
Jul 24, 2018 5:29 PM

Personal insult, smear or attack says more about the would be accuser than the accused. Unless of course we join in believing or needing to believe it true. Lack of substance resorts to smear and trickery – but in this and many similar cases there is the sense of the little dog barking because it stands in front of its owner. The penalties that can be attracted by refusal to conform may just as well apply to those who are willingly being used. The other side of this particular trick is of needing to maintain ‘anti semitism’ to maintain an… Read more »

timfrom
timfrom
Jul 24, 2018 4:59 PM

What’s eating Hodge is that she was one of the people who urged Corbyn’s inclusion on the Leadership election ballot paper in the first place – a rather patronisingly inclusive gesture which blew up in her face big time.

Maybe she’s just not a fan of irony!

Harry Stotle
Harry Stotle
Jul 25, 2018 8:35 AM
Reply to  timfrom

Hodge may have encouraged Corbyn’s inclusion but she ultimately threw her lot in with red-tory, Liz Kendall.
https://www.newstatesman.com/politics/2015/06/who-nominated-who-2015-labour-leadership-election

Hodge was especially exercised about the possibility of workers representatives influencing the leadership campaign telling Len Murray to shut up – not sure is she called him a racist or anti-semite though.
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/labour-leadership-contest-margaret-hodge-tells-union-barons-to-shut-up-and-stop-interfering-10273747.html

frank
frank
Jul 24, 2018 3:15 PM

I don’t know if people have seen the Al Jazeera documentary. The Lobby.

the pair
the pair
Jul 24, 2018 7:23 PM
Reply to  frank

oh my. does she kiss netanyahu’s ass with that mouth? she’s like a more masculine malcolm tucker or something.

Minutoamezzanotte
Minutoamezzanotte
Jul 24, 2018 8:12 PM
Reply to  frank

Thanks for the link frank .This investigation confirms that zionist control masses of politicians in the UK (and throughout the world) and those who haven’t allowed themselves to be indoctrinated or blackmailed by them are under constant attack. Labour leader Jeremy Corbyn is a good example of that. Have you got the link for part II?

Mulga Mumblebrain
Mulga Mumblebrain
Jul 25, 2018 12:00 AM

The TOTAL control of Western politics, particularly in the Anglosphere (in the USA it now goes down through State level politics to the local)by the Zionists of the Israel First Lobbies is surely unprecedented in history. All achieved by straight political bribery, a modicum of emotional blackmail, and the support of ‘Christian Zionists’ many of whom are, in reality, true Judeophobes using the Jews to advance their apocalyptic fantasies that culminate in the forced conversion or destruction of the Jews. Not a happy situation, and one that must end in a catastrophe for all concerned-it has been a catastrophe, growing… Read more »

rilme
rilme
Jul 25, 2018 1:28 AM

Usually, if you click “Watch on Youtube”, you’ll see Part 1, and in the bar on the right, some related videos, like Part 2.

frank
frank
Jul 25, 2018 9:59 AM

Hi mate. It is there on you tube.

manfromatlan
manfromatlan
Jul 27, 2018 1:20 AM
manfromatlan
manfromatlan
Jul 27, 2018 1:24 AM
George Cornell
George Cornell
Jul 24, 2018 3:04 PM

Margaret Hodge, member for Barking, or is that barking member? What a disgusting discredit to her species.

vexarb
vexarb
Jul 24, 2018 3:43 PM
Reply to  George Cornell

Barking mad. As Dr.Johnson would have said in our time, accusations of “‘anti-Semitism” are the Last Resort of a desperate Anglo Zio Capitalist.

“If you resort to foul Language your cause is already Lost” — Sean Connery, virtual expert in Japanese Martial Arts.

vexarb
vexarb
Jul 25, 2018 7:21 AM
Reply to  vexarb

PS when I wrote the above “accusations of “‘anti-Semitism” are the Last Resort of a desperate Anglo Zio Capitalist” I feared I might have done Margaret Hodge an injustice. But apparently I did not. Looking up Margaret Hodges on the web, I find Margaret Oppenheimer, born into a German Jewish dynasty second only to the Rothschilds in the Hereditary Aristocracy of Wealth. A natural born “Islington left wing firebrand” together with the young Tony B.Liar and Jack Straw. Ideal protege for Soros’s Identity Politics takeover of the Western Left, just like Kilary Klingon in the U$A. From the Guardian 2003,… Read more »

Mulga Mumblebrain
Mulga Mumblebrain
Jul 25, 2018 10:25 PM
Reply to  vexarb

False accusations of ‘antisemitism’are not a ‘last resort’ by any means. They are far more often the First Choice of these scurrilous, defaming, intimidating thugs.

binra
binra
Jul 26, 2018 9:16 AM

He was talking about foul language. Do you think that the way you structure and frame your language is expressing and inciting hatred of Jews? While painting them as all powerful hate figures! Are you aware that sowing anti-semitism is part and parcel of the Jewish identity manipulation? If you believe ‘others’ have and may again turn hatred and persecution upon you at any time just because you are Jewish – would you be inclined to be very self-sensitive about anything that could set off such an outcome? If you were a leader of such a diverse identity and see… Read more »

kingfelix
kingfelix
Jul 24, 2018 2:50 PM

‘Virulent’ doesn’t mean what the author thinks, so ‘virulent condemnation’ doesn’t make sense.

rilme
rilme
Jul 25, 2018 1:44 AM
Reply to  kingfelix

Like many English words, virulent has an original meaning and some metaphors that spring from it.

The original meaning is: marked by a rapid, severe, and destructive course. Like a virulent infection
OR: able to overcome bodily defensive mechanisms: pathogenic virulent bacteria.

The metaphors:
Extremely poisonous or venomous
Malicious: malignant virulent racists
Harsh or strong: virulent criticism

We could say that Hodge’s remarks were poisonous or that she spewed venom at the leader of her party. It is not literally true.

Yarkob
Yarkob
Jul 25, 2018 8:46 AM
Reply to  kingfelix

but taken as a whole it is both cogent and true. and your point is?

Brutally Remastered
Brutally Remastered
Jul 24, 2018 2:17 PM

Good God, the point here is that Zionists have been trying to subvert free speech in this country, through the law courts too, since early 1900’s. They are terrified of Corbyn’s stance on the plight of the Palestinians and what effect that would have on the efforts of Hasbara and the israel lobby on whitewashing this slow genocide. I despair and I despaired at the low numbers who came to protest at the visit to Downing Street of that arch victim and psychopath Netanyahoo (or however one is meant to spell his name). Let Britain’s last industry, that of armaments… Read more »

George Cornell
George Cornell
Jul 24, 2018 3:15 PM

It seems an engineered bit of English vocabulary to have the word anti-Semite equated with wanting death to the Jews and the other hatespeak that comes out of Hodge’s mouth. The language needs words for intermediate views like perhaps ho-hum or take-Semites-or-leave-them.The very fact that a nauseating scumbag like Hodge uses this as the centrepiece of her anti-Corbyn views says much about the vituperative harridan. Of course it isn’t true anyway. Corbyn has courage to stand up to these fascist views.

Mulga Mumblebrain
Mulga Mumblebrain
Jul 25, 2018 12:15 AM
Reply to  George Cornell

‘Antisemitism’ is a pure invention, used by the Zionists to vilify, intimidate and drive from public life all those who dare to oppose their repulsive terrorist apartheid regime, or their TOTAL control of Western politics. Indeed they boast, from time to time, of its effectiveness as a tactic. Judeophobia, on the other hand, the hatred of all Jews simply because they are Jews, is like all such racist, sectarian and other xenophobic hatreds, Evil and stupid. The sham IHRA ‘definitions’ of ‘antisemitism’, in my opinion, fall into the category of social engineering to outlaw ALL criticism of Israel, ALL criticism… Read more »

Seamus Padraig
Seamus Padraig
Jul 25, 2018 12:26 AM

‘Antisemite’ used to mean someone who hated Jews; now it just means anyone Jews hate.

rilme
rilme
Jul 25, 2018 1:59 AM
Reply to  Seamus Padraig

… except when the people the Jews hate are semitic, such as Palestinians, and others.

binra
binra
Jul 25, 2018 12:34 PM
Reply to  rilme

Part of the nature of doublespeak is to set up such inconsistencies as part of a mentally and emotionally manipulative framework of thought. Another is to make it harder for anyone but Jews to use the term Jewish – except of course those who give power to ‘Jews’ by blanket hate-judgement. Jewish power is hidden by nature. Perhaps because as a diaspora across many nation states, it had to learn to be. Possession is nine tenths of the law – is a saying that comes to mind. Who and how is anyone called to account if they have the backing… Read more »

Harry Stotle
Harry Stotle
Jul 25, 2018 9:54 AM
Reply to  Seamus Padraig

I hear what you are saying, but such sentiments apply only to certain Jews (or their supporters). In other words elements in Israel and elsewhere are equally appalled by the way right wing zionists are cynically using the holocaust, and anti-semitism as forms of political guilt leverage. Hodge is either buying into this tactic or is an absolute fruitcake if she honestly believes Corbyn is a racist in any meaningful sense of the word. Corbyn has a number of faults but his support of Palestine although atypical for many western leaders is still fairly anodyne and has more to do… Read more »

Robbobbobin
Robbobbobin
Jul 25, 2018 4:59 AM

“Moreover, describing Zionism as akin to Nazism is plainly hurtful to Jews, but also, plainly, true in so very many aspects, particularly as Israel marches further Right.”

https://www.haaretz.com/.premium-calling-rivals-nazis-an-israeli-tradition-1.5313246

binra
binra
Jul 25, 2018 12:48 PM

To what extent is the ‘Nazi evil’ a Jewish construction? I am not suggesting Nazis were without evil – but the apportioning of all war-guilt to the Nazis along with the payload of guilting not only the German but also the European (and hence US) psyche with mass-produced genocide of Jewry – all set the post world war 2 world order – that persists today. What power does not embrace necessary evils – in its own frame of identity? But to what degree is the narrative set by the winners? – who were not nation states btw. Revision can of… Read more »

Seamus Padraig
Seamus Padraig
Jul 25, 2018 12:24 AM

I despair and I despaired at the low numbers who came to protest at the visit to Downing Street of that arch victim and psychopath Netanyahoo (or however one is meant to spell his name).

And I’m sure you’ll never see a giant baby-blimp of Netanyahoo floating in the London sky, either–certainly not while Ziomoz Sadiq Khan is on duty!

rilme
rilme
Jul 25, 2018 1:57 AM

Mileikowsky, one of the Polish invaders of Palestine, now calls himself “netanyahu”, because it sounds like the hebrew form of “Nathan”, a biblical name.

The invaders’ town of Netanya was built after the Palestinians living on the coast were killed and forced out. The “is” have worked hard to erase all signs of Palestine.

Antonyl
Antonyl
Jul 24, 2018 2:08 PM

Margaret Hodge speaks exactly like Mulga Mumblebrain!

Antonyl
Antonyl
Jul 24, 2018 2:30 PM
Reply to  Antonyl

Same style and vocabulary, just one notion in reverse.

vexarb
vexarb
Jul 24, 2018 4:02 PM
Reply to  Antonyl

@Antonyl. The Right Hon.Member for Barkyng’s vocabulary is the vocabulary of the gutter, and her style is the style of the gutter press. I would be surprised if you could adduce similar examples from Mulga’s Mumblings. fMumble’s Brain is over sensitive to the wickedness of the the AZC and the sufferings of their victims, but Hodge is a TB.Liar foot soldier without the Oxford polish and no multiple directorships in Rothschild companies.

Mulga Mumblebrain
Mulga Mumblebrain
Jul 25, 2018 12:20 AM
Reply to  vexarb

I don’t think I’m ‘over-sensitive’. I see the wickedness of Zionism’s crimes and the suffering of Israel’s victims, and I also worry over the backlash that Zionist infamy and Israeli crimes will, inevitably,cause, once, if ever, the incessant brainwashing to love Israel, ignore its crimes and hate its victims, wears off.

rilme
rilme
Jul 25, 2018 2:05 AM

I think vexarb is under-sensitive to the crimes and wickedness of the “is” and to the suffering of this and many other children. Perhaps vexarb would be more sensitive to suffering if his hand looked like this:
https://off-guardian.org/2018/07/22/no-carole-cadwalladr-this-is-what-war-looks-like/
(Don’t look if you’re squeamish.)

vexarb
vexarb
Jul 25, 2018 8:52 AM
Reply to  rilme

@Rilme. Actually, Mulga and I are broadly in agreement; it’s a matter of accent and mental balance. For my own position on AZC War Crimes see my comment on the link you gave. “When peering into the chasm, be aware that the chasm is peering deep into you”. — Nietzsche, written shortly before he saw a cart horse being cruelly whipped in the street, threw his arms around the suffering beast’s neck, burst into tears and descended into clinical madness. When viewing the tragic farce of world politics, one sometimes has to laugh in order not to cry. But whether… Read more »

binra
binra
Jul 25, 2018 9:56 AM
Reply to  vexarb

(I see we have a bleed through from Winston Smith’s sexual passion). ““When peering into the chasm, be aware that the chasm is peering deep into you”. — Nietzsche, written shortly before he saw a cart horse being cruelly whipped in the street, threw his arms around the suffering beast’s neck, burst into tears and descended into clinical madness”. I often recall that story of Nietzsche although I didn’t associate such feeling response itself with ‘descent into clinical madness’. (What exactly is ‘clinical’ madness? – Do you see how the mind interjects?). Neitzsche took on and opposed what he identified… Read more »

vexarb
vexarb
Jul 25, 2018 3:08 PM
Reply to  binra

[email protected]: “I see Nietzsche as having been lured into ‘resisting evil’ rather than aligning in true. … The Promethean vision has a Promethean end in pain and isolation – because the true of Man is in no way separate from ‘God’. ” Yes, Nietzsche certainly condemned himself to Promothean pain when he hyped the Crtique of Pure Reason into a bald rationalist slogan: God is dead. Because he had finer feelings than Bentham or Wagner. He wept as Jesus wept, as Vergil wept, over the Lacrimae Rerum. What a supreme feat of self punishment by the Hard Man of Philosophy,… Read more »

binra
binra
Jul 25, 2018 4:00 PM
Reply to  vexarb

Not the place to expand on Nietzsche but I made my key points to my appreciation of him. Qualified clinicians – did you ever hear of the ‘thud experiment’ – it is worth a quick look. That was likely part of sending ‘qualified’ psychiatry into the arms of pharma and the medical models of ‘chemical imbalance’ as the basis to effect brain damage and diagnose the symptoms as worsening disease condition – and up the meds. madinamerica.com is not a bad glimpse into that world. The attempt to take on and shape the world is likely to be taken on… Read more »

vexarb
vexarb
Jul 25, 2018 5:48 PM
Reply to  binra

@Binra. Thanks for the link to Suffering from Mental Illness in the USA (madinamerica.com). I read the following article and thought it was a pretty good account of what it feels like to live a normal life “in the community” while suffering from clinical madness. My sincerest regard to the woman, whose courage and eventual arrival at something like equanimity pretty much resembled that of my psychotic son in similar circumstances. Healing From Schizophrenia Kerstin Ogard By Kerstin Ogard The report on “meta-analysis” of trials on the efficacy of tranquillizers (Do Tranquillizers Work?) was also a pretty good, objective assessment.… Read more »

binra
binra
Jul 25, 2018 7:38 PM
Reply to  vexarb

If a self aggrandisement or indeed vengeance speaks louder to our willingness to listen, then we only hear ‘truths’ that support our ’cause’. The mind’s focus operates a filtering distortion. ‘In this world’ everyone is mad – as in Alice… But I don’t want to go among mad people,” Alice remarked. “Oh, you can’t help that,” said the Cat: “we’re all mad here. I’m mad. You’re mad.” “How do you know I’m mad?” said Alice. “You must be,” said the Cat, “or you wouldn’t have come here. ~ Lewis Carroll, Alice in Wonderland However, not everyone gets to sit on… Read more »

binra
binra
Jul 26, 2018 10:43 AM
Reply to  vexarb

‘If only’ is an admission of defeat or a wishful wist over a hard fact. ‘People’ are not what we think and our person is more than what we think. Because ‘people’ are already engaged in a self-protective identity – the truth takes second place to utility in terms of marketisation and weaponisation. That some manipulate this does not mean we are not already given to running the habit unchecked. Indeed the ‘manipulators’ are likely the means by which to uncover such vulnerabilities and address them. Because our own mind is too well hidden to notice while truth is not… Read more »

binra
binra
Jul 26, 2018 10:51 AM
Reply to  vexarb

Perhaps ‘shall’ be used is better than ‘will be used’ – because it is a decision and not simply waiting on future circumstance. But pain can induce an unwillingness to persist in what is not working – even if it is the only trick we know – and I see loss of communication as loss of function from which only pain of conflict and loss can arise. While the pain can be outsourced the corporate ego seems to gain its world of profit at cost of Soul-felt awareness of being.

Jen
Jen
Jul 25, 2018 12:37 AM
Reply to  Antonyl

Do you actually ever read The Mumbler’s comments?

vexarb
vexarb
Jul 25, 2018 9:16 AM
Reply to  Jen

@Jen. I read all Mulga’s comments, both here and on the Saker Vineyard, and agree with every one of them. But I think Mulga concentrates too much on the Zionazi aspect of Anglo Zio Capitalism, to the detriment of what I think are the more Lasting Evils of Anglo Capitalism: the Gospel of Greed, the promulgation of Apart-Hate toward Lesser Breeds without the Law, and a tendency toward Authoritarian Rule by Propaganda without Truth; as preached by Christians such as St.Margaret Thatcher, St.Theresa May, Son of the Manse Brown and St.Tony B.Liar.

Jen
Jen
Jul 25, 2018 11:35 AM
Reply to  vexarb

My question was directed to Antonyl actually 🤗

vexarb
vexarb
Jul 25, 2018 2:45 PM
Reply to  Jen

@Jen. Sorry, misread the depth of indentation. But let it stand, both Mulga and I are extremely concerned over the misuse of power by a tiny minority of over priviledged Jews — such as Margaret Hodge ne’e Oppenheimer — and of a possible backlash against Jews in general. In my case especially because my children and grandchildren are dual citizen English-Israeli.

Mulga Mumblebrain
Mulga Mumblebrain
Jul 25, 2018 10:39 PM
Reply to  vexarb

What is even worse is that the Zionist fanatics WELCOME any anger or hatred directed at Jews that their barbarism and arrogance provokes. Creatures like Bibi, or Lieberman, or Smotrich et al, and their Orthodox and Ultra-Orthodox allies like the late unlamented Ovadia Yosef, or the settler Judaic Taliban, HATE the goyim, and welcome any hatred that they provoke in return. They also hate non-fanatic Jews as well, and vilify them as ‘self-hating’. They are piranha who swim in a sea of hatred. After all, how many goyim know that certain Orthodox Rabbis have declared that the Nazi Judeocide was… Read more »

binra
binra
Jul 26, 2018 9:50 AM

So Bibi is well pleased with mulga then! One of the abilities of something exemplified but not unique to the Jewish power-mind is to compartmentalise completely contradictory facets of thought and behaviour without any self-doubt or self division. Under an overriding identity of a ‘jealous god’. This shows itself as a total lack of introspection or indeed of accountability – excepting when circumstances dictate going through the motions. Or perhaps among one’s ‘equals’ but still in terms of effecting agenda rather than questioning it. In terms of life as power struggle this gives what seems like a winning hand –… Read more »

Antonyl
Antonyl
Jul 25, 2018 2:50 PM
Reply to  Jen

First all of them, but now it has become a repeating litany where the only ones guilty of anything on this planet are “the racist Zionists”: they are behind everything (conspiracy no.1!!). Predictable and boring. Sorry waste of research talent with plenty of time on the hands.

vexarb
vexarb
Jul 25, 2018 3:47 PM
Reply to  Antonyl

@Antonyl. You said above that Mulga uses language as bad as that used by the Hon.Member for Barking. When are you going to quote chapter and verse? And where on this thread did you read that “racist Zionists are the only ones guilty of anything on this planet”?

Remember, Corbyn did not start this fight. The smear of “fracking anti-Semite” was uttered by a Jewish MP from the ultra-wealthy Oppenheimer clan, who voted for Blair’s war against Iraq, and consistently defends Israel against charges of racist discrimination against Palestinians.

Mulga Mumblebrain
Mulga Mumblebrain
Jul 25, 2018 10:45 PM
Reply to  Antonyl

That is rubbish. First, as the recent legislation declaring Israel an apartheid theocracy shews, ‘racist Zionist’ is utterly tautologous. Second no-one in their right mind declares the Zionists are the ‘only ones guilty’. The Zionists are simply vastly over-represented in crime and barbarity on the planet, directly or though the goy stooges they control through money power. Even more deranged, however, are denialists like you, who deny every single Zionist crime-you’re truly Hodgian in your madness.

bevin
bevin
Jul 24, 2018 1:25 PM

“Whatever else you make of this unprecedented vignette, you can certainly draw the conclusion that Margaret Hodge is no gentleman.” I would go further. Hodge is acting in accordance with a plot developed, among others, by the Israeli Embassy, to split the Labour Party and set up a new splinter group on Parliament which will, firstly, seek to prevent the UK’s departure from the EU, secondly, continue the destruction of the NHS and persist on the neo-liberal course first charted by Healey and Callaghan. And thirdly maintain the slavish following of US foreign policy. Corbyn’s candidacy for the PM’s position… Read more »

mog
mog
Jul 24, 2018 4:27 PM
Reply to  bevin

I recently read an article in ‘Jacobin’ about ‘Corbyn under fire’. It referenced another piece by David Rosenberg which addressed the Livingstone question: https://rebellion602.wordpress.com/2017/04/05/hero-or-villain-the-livingstone-question/ It’s a hit piece on Brenner, just the same tactics as all hit pieces. I regularly speak to people who are confused that a Left wing politician is called ‘anti-Semitic’. Also confusion that there is an alliance of pro-Isreal Zionist opinion and Fascist sympathies. Unfortunately there remains much writing (even in the radical Left press) which obfuscates the common ideological and historical roots of these movements. Even Craig Murray deleted all BTL comments which referenced Brenner’s… Read more »

manfromatlan
manfromatlan
Jul 24, 2018 9:44 PM
Reply to  mog

Yep, the stranglehold of the Zionist fascist lobby on Labour. You can take the Oppenheimer out of Cairo, you can’t take the Cairo out of Lady Hodge 🙂 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Margaret_Hodge

Martin Usher
Martin Usher
Jul 24, 2018 11:58 PM
Reply to  mog

The trick is to redefine anti-Antisemitism to encompass any critique of Israel and especially Israel’s policies with regard to Palestinians. I must admit that I was a bit puzzled by the pieces in the media about the Labour party being anti-Semitic, its a bit of a weird concept if you have any knowledge of its history, but once I found a clarification about how it was defined these day by the ADL (in the Daily Telegraph, of all places) then everything became crystal clear. Its actually an effective tactic because it puts people on the defensive; we all know what… Read more »

Mulga Mumblebrain
Mulga Mumblebrain
Jul 25, 2018 12:31 AM
Reply to  Martin Usher

The Zionists have used the ‘civility in discourse’ tactic to destroy their victims in the USA, (like Salaita)for the ‘uncivil’ crime of simply denouncing Israel’s mass slaughter of children in one of its regular, ritual, ‘lawn-mowing’ operations in Gaza. And Howard Jacobson vilely denounced those who criticised the Cast Lead massacres of children, as ‘antisemites’ for doing so. Followed recently by sullage by the same ‘author’ in the Fraudian sewer hysterically declaring that Jews (all of them, of course)would NEVER invent false accusations of ‘antisemitism’ (it being a ‘sacred’ act in his twisted theology)even as false accusations, entirely invented out… Read more »

Fair dinkum
Fair dinkum
Jul 24, 2018 1:12 PM

That’s the thing about psychopaths.
No subtlety.