The Satanic Nature of the Atomic Bombings of Hiroshima and Nagasaki

Edward Curtin

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Ahab is forever Ahab, man. This whole act’s immutably decreed. ‘Twas rehearsed by thee and me billion years before this ocean rolled. Fool! I am the Fates’ lieutenant; I act under orders.” Herman Melville, Moby Dick

The greatest evil is not now done in those sordid ‘dens of crime’ that Dickens loved to paint…But it is conceived and ordered (moved, seconded, carried, and minuted) in clean, carpeted, warmed, and well-lighted offices, by quiet men with white collars and cut fingernails and smooth-shaven cheeks who do not need to raise their voice.”C. S. Lewis, author’s preface, 1962, The Screwtape Letters

American history can only accurately be described as the story of demonic possession, however you choose to understand that phrase. Maybe radical “evil” will suffice. But right from the start the American colonizers were involved in massive killing because they considered themselves divinely blessed and guided, a chosen people whose mission would come to be called “manifest destiny.” Nothing stood in the way of this divine calling, which involved the need to enslave and kill millions and millions of innocent people that continues down to today.

“Others” have always been expendable since they have stood in the way of the imperial march ordained by the American god. This includes all the wars waged based on lies and false flag operations. It is not a secret, although most Americans, if they are aware of it, prefer to see it as a series of aberrations carried out by “bad apples.” Or something from the past.

Our best writers and prophets have told us the truth: Thoreau, Twain, William James, MLK, Fr. Daniel Berrigan, et al.: we are a nation of killers of the innocent. We are conscienceless. We are brutal. We are in the grip of evil forces.

The English writer D. H. Lawrence said it perfectly in 1923, “The American soul is hard, isolate, stoic and a killer. It has never yet melted.” It still hasn’t.

When on August 6 and 9, 1945 the United States killed 200-300 thousand innocent Japanese civilians with atomic bombs in Hiroshima and Nagasaki, they did so intentionally. It was an act of sinister state terrorism, unprecedented by the nature of the weapons but not by the slaughter. The American terror bombings of Japanese cities that preceded the atomic bombings of Hiroshima and Nagasaki – led by the infamous Major General Curtis LeMay – were also intentionally aimed at Japanese civilians and killed hundreds of thousands of them.

Is there an American artist’s painting of Tokyo destroyed by the firebombing to go next to Picasso’s Guernica, where estimates of the dead range between 800 and 1,600? In Tokyo alone more than 100,000 Japanese civilians were burnt to death by cluster bombs of napalm. All this killing was intentional. I repeat: Intentional. Is that not radical evil? Demonic? Only five Japanese cities were spared such bombing.

The atomic bombings were an intentional holocaust, not to end the war, as the historical record amply demonstrates, but to send a message to the Soviet Union that we could do to them what we did to the residents of Japan. President Truman made certain that the Japanese willingness to surrender in May 1945 was made unacceptable because he and his Secretary-of-State James Byrnes wanted to use the atomic bombs – “as quickly as possible to ‘show results’” in Byrnes’ words – to send a message to the Soviet Union. So “the Good War” was ended in the Pacific with the “good guys” killing hundreds of thousand Japanese civilians to make a point to the “bad guys,” who have been demonized ever since. Russia phobia is nothing new.

Satan always wears the other’s face.

Many Baby Boomers like to say they grew up with the bomb. They are lucky. They grew up. They got be scared. They got to hide under their desks and wax nostalgic about it. Do you remember dog tags? Those 1950s and 1960s? The scary movies?

The children of Hiroshima and Nagasaki who died under our bombs on August 6 and 9, 1945 didn’t get to grow up. They couldn’t hide. They just went under. To be accurate: we put them under. Or they were left to smolder for decades in pain and then die. But that it was necessary to save American lives is the lie. It’s always about American lives, as if the owners of the country actually cared about them. But to tender hearts and innocent minds, it’s a magic incantation. Poor us!

Fat Man, Little Boy – how the words echo down the years to the now fat Americans who grew up in the 1950s and who think like little boys and girls about their country’s demonic nature. Innocence – it is wonderful! We are different now. “We are great because we are good,” that’s what Hillary Clinton told us. The Libyans can attest to that. We are exceptional, special. The next election will prove we can defeat Mr. Pumpkin Head and restore America to its “core values.”

Perhaps you think I am cynical. But understanding true evil is not child’s play. It seems beyond the grasp of most Americans who need their illusions. Evil is real. There is simply no way to understand the savage nature of American history without seeing its demonic nature. How else can we redeem ourselves at this late date, possessed as we are by delusions of our own God-blessed goodness?

But average Americans play at innocence. They excite themselves at the thought that with the next election the nation will be “restored” to the right course. Of course there never was a right course, unless might makes right, which has always been the way of America’s rulers. Today Trump is viewed by so many as an aberration. He is far from it. He’s straight out of a Twain short story. He’s Vaudeville. He’s Melville’s confidence man. He’s us.

Did it ever occur to those who are fixated on him that if those who own and run the country wanted him gone, he’d be gone in an instant? He can tweet and tweet idiotically, endlessly send out messages that he will contradict the next day, but as long as he protects the super-rich, accepts Israel’s control of him, and allows the CIA-military-industrial complex to do its world-wide killing and looting of the treasury, he will be allowed to entertain and excite the public – to get them worked up in a lather in pseudo-debates. And to make this more entertaining, he will be opposed by the “sane” Democratic opposition, whose intentions are as benign as an assassin’s smile.

Look back as far as you can to past U.S. presidents, the figureheads who “act under orders” (whose orders?), as did Ahab in his lust to kill the “evil” great white whale, and what do you see? You see servile killers in the grip of a sinister power. You see hyenas with polished faces. You see pasteboard masks. On the one occasion when one of these presidents dared to follow his conscience and rejected the devil’s pact that is the presidency’s killer-in-chief role, he – JFK – had his brains blown out in public view. An evil empire thrives on shedding blood, and it enforces its will through demonic messages. Resist and there will be blood on the streets, blood on the tracks, blood in your face.

Despite this, President Kennedy’s witness, his turn from cold warrior to an apostle of peace, remains to inspire a ray of hope in these dark days. As recounted by James Douglass in his masterful JFK and the Unspeakable, Kennedy agreed to a meeting in May 1962 with a group of Quakers who had been demonstrating outside the While House for total disarmament. They urged him to move in that direction.

Kennedy was sympathetic to their position. He said he wished it were easy to do so from the top down, but that he was being pressured by the Pentagon and others to never do that, although he had given a speech urging “a peace race” together with the Soviet Union. He told the Quakers it would have to come from below. According to the Quakers, JFK listened intently to their points, and before they left said with a smile, “You believe in redemption don’t you?” Soon Kennedy was shaken to his core by the Cuban missile crisis when the world teetered on the brink of extinction and his insane military and “intelligence” advisers urged him to wage a nuclear war. Not long after, he took a sharp top-down turn toward peace despite their fierce opposition, a turn so dramatic over the next year that it led to his martyrdom. And he knew it would. He knew it would.

So hope is not all lost. There are great souls like JFK to inspire us. Their examples flash here and there. But to even begin to hope to change the future, a confrontation with our demonic past (and present) is first necessary, a descent into the dark truth that is terrifying in its implications. False innocence must be abandoned. Carl Jung, in “On the Psychology of the Unconscious,” addressed this with the words:

It is a frightening thought that man also has a shadow side to him, consisting not just of little weaknesses – and foibles, but of a positively demonic dynamism. The individual seldom knows anything of this; to him, as an individual, it is incredible that he should ever in any circumstances go beyond himself.

But let these harmless creatures form a mass, and there emerges a raging monster; and each individual is only one tiny cell in the monster’s body, so that for better or worse he must accompany it on its bloody rampages and even assist it to the utmost. Having a dark suspicion of these grim possibilities, man turns a blind eye to the shadow-side of human nature. Blindly he strives against the salutary dogma of original sin, which is yet so prodigiously true.

Yes, he even hesitates to admit the conflict of which he is so painfully aware.

How can one describe men who would intentionally slaughter so many innocent people? American history is rife with such examples up to the present day. Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya, Syria, etc. – the list is very long. Savage wars carried out by men and women who own and run the country, and who try to buy the souls of regular people to join them in their pact with the devil, to acquiesce to their ongoing wicked deeds. Such monstrous evil was never more evident than on August 6 and 9, 1945.

Unless we enter into deep contemplation of the evil that was released into the world with those bombings of Hiroshima and Nagasaki, we are lost in a living hell without escape. And we will pay. Nemesis always demands retribution. We have gradually been accepting rule by those for whom the killing of innocents is child’s play, and we have been masquerading as innocent and good children for whom the truth is too much to bear.

“Indeed, the safest road to Hell is the gradual one,” Screwtape the devil tells his nephew, Wormwood, a devil in training, “the gentle slope, soft underfoot, without sudden turnings, without milestones, without signposts.” That’s the road we’ve been traveling.

The projection of evil onto others works only so long. We must reclaim our shadows and withdraw our projections. Only the fate of the world depends on it.

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What really gets me about the nuclear issue is the unbelievable double-think so many in the west have managed to maintain.

When dealing with Iran or North Korea, we refuse to even entertain the idea of these nations possessing nuclear capabilities on the basis that they MIGHT use them to kill hundreds of thousands of people.

Meanwhile, the US, the only nation has literally proven its willingness to massacre hundreds of thousands of civilians using such a weapon, has never had its status as a nuclear power questioned.

This is the definition of American Exceptionalism.

Great article, by the way!

USAma Bin Laden
USAma Bin Laden

When confronted by the crimes of the American Evil Empire…sorry… Land of the Free, American apologists across the political spectrum resort to WhatAboutism–by casting the finger of approbation against some other nation or government and disingenuously muttering but, but what about what they did?

It’s quite pathetic, though very predictable for a nation like the United States, which in reality is not so much a nation, as it is a religion.

And if there is one thing that the Americans–and indeed Anglo-Americans in general–cannot stand, it is to have their religion of Americanism be called out as worshiping a false God.

America Is a Religion – An Aggressive One

Regarding the nature of the Satanic and evil in general, evil is not only defined by barbarism, mass murder, or genocide, which are enduring features of the human species itself.

Evil is more sophisticated.

Evil involves the manipulation of the “good.”

Evil involves the perversion of some type of noble values or universal ideals as a mask to disguise one’s malevolent nature, which can include barbarism, mass murder, genocide, etc.

Today, there is no greater evil than Anglo American “liberal democracy,” as embodied by the self-styled Leader of the Free World and its allied axis nations.

It is under the guise of championing democracy, freedom, liberty, human rights, blah, blah, blah, that the greatest crimes–particularly imperial wars of aggression–are committed by the United States of America and its crime partners like the United Kingdom.

See their wars against Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya, Syria, Yemen, Yugoslavia as only recent examples of the malevolence and, yes, evil, that the Anglo Americans have inflicted upon the world.

The Anglo American Empire today is merely the bastard spawn of the British Empire, both of whom–unlike the German Third Reich or Japanese Empire–have largely escaped the full judgement of history, not to mention punishment for their world historic crimes.

The Anglo Americans thus have not only gotten with their continuing crimes but also arrogantly propagandize much of the world into believing that they are the moral judge, jury, and indeed universal defenders of vaunted “democratic values and ideals.”

As even a Brit, Harold Pinter, was able to recognize regarding the USA (but not his own UK):

“The crimes of the United States have been systematic, constant, vicious, remorseless, but very few people have actually talked about them. You have to hand it to America. It has exercised a quite clinical manipulation of power worldwide while masquerading as a force for universal good. It’s a brilliant, even witty, highly successful act of hypnosis.”


THAT is evil, the satanic in its greatest manifestation.


Good article by Curtin, but I take issue with his suggestion that the primary reason for dropping the bombs was to send a message to the Russians. Secretary of State Byrnes might have seen that as a bonus, but for him and for Truman the dropping of the bombs was just a continuation of the conventional civilian bombing that was already going on and that we had used against the Germans. It was designed to bludgeon the Japanese into accepting our unconditional surrender terms, which they were still unwilling to do even after we dropped the two A-bombs. They only surrendered when we dropped our unconditional surrender demand, upon a formula suggested by Secretary of the Navy, James Forrestal. It’s all explained in my article, “Oliver Stone on the Japanese Surrender.” http://dcdave.com/article5/130122.htm.

Stone, like many American historians these days, argue that it was to Soviet Union’s entry into the war against Japan that brought about the Japanese surrender, but he and they are dead wrong about that.

Edward Curtin
Edward Curtin

No, Oliver Stone and I are right.


Uncle $cam $till $atanic:

Iswnews this sad report on the latest US-Saudi-Israeli atrocity in Yemen

US-Saudi Aggressors Targeted a School Bus Filled with Children While Passing a Local Market in Dhahian Southern Saada in Yemen

A total of 47 people, mostly children under the age of 10, were killed and 77 were injured when two Saudi-led airstrikes hit a school bus in Dhahyan popular market, the victims were on their way to attend a summer school in Dhahyan.

The head of delegation for the International Committee of the Red Cross (ICRC) in Yemen, said on a twitter that “scores killed, even more injured, mostly under the age of 10” after the attack targeted a bus that carries children in the Dhahyan market. The organization stressed that “civilians must be protected during conflict under international humanitarian law.”

However, the Saudi-owned Al Arabiya television quoted a statement by the Saudi-led coalition as saying that “Thursday’s airstrikes targeted Iranian-allied Houthi rebels who fired a ballistic missile on Wednesday at the Saudi commercial city in border Jazan region.”

In response, AnsarAllah spokesman Mohammed Abdulsalam mocked the coalition statement as “absolutely ridiculous.”

“They killed pupils driving to school … this is a war crime,” Abdulsalam tweeted.


Mulga Mumblebrain
Mulga Mumblebrain

For the Wahhabist barbarians of Sordid Barbaria killing Shia, like the people of Yemen, is a very good thing. A genocidal regime as befits a close ally of Israel and the USA, the Wahhabist vermin see killing Shia and other ‘apostates’ as a compulsion, not to mention non-compliant Sunni etc.


This was sent to me by someone to whom I had forwarded Curtin’s article.



@GrassHopper. Link was worth reading; it opened a new — $pecifically $atanic and Anti-Christian — perspective on Nagasaki. Blogger Perloff might be distorting Dionisi’s book into propaganda against Zionist Freemasons such as Truman, but the Diaries of General Jordan which claim the Roosevelt / Truman Administration shared A-bomb technology with Stalin are presumably authentic.


From the review, Dionisi’s book apparently well complements my article, “Oliver Stone on the Japanese Surrender.” http://dcdave.com/article5/130122.htm


If using the term Satanic – please offer some definition as to exactly what you mean. Terror symbols can be added for narrative justification – as in invoking an anti-authority.

I have unanswered questions around the dropping of atomic bombs on Hiroshima and Nagasaki – as on much of WW2 instigated a ‘new world order’ that is no less active today.

But regardless the means of death and destruction, an intentional and industrial mass sacrifice of civilians was the underlying nature of WW2 – which was also the theme of the concentration camps – the narrative of which is set by top down edict disallowing of the natural process of historical revision.

The practice of sacrifice can be that of forsaking one’s own, to gain more than one loses. or a partial loss to offset a believed greater gain. It can also be the reenactment of private gratification in the expression of power as terror – to be as gods in dealing death is to gain reinforcement for the wish-belief of attaining or reclaiming lost or a ‘rightful’ sense of denied power. Sacrifice traces back to the reenactment of the observed activities of the gods that became set in mythological narrative, along with appeals and appeasements for favour or escape from terror or penalty for presumed sin. Thus the magic of assigning the ‘payment’ in sacrifice for ‘order’ to be restored or maintained, is the selection of others to forfeit their lives – perhaps to be ‘glorified’ thereby.

Saturn/Chronos was observed to be ‘killing’ his own offspring – but this was after a Saturnian ‘golden age’. The saying is that you don’t know what you had until it’s gone – but this is a COMPARISION and not a truly relational presence. The dissatisfaction or indeed hatred of a world that fails to live up to or support a fantasy fulfilment of a personal sense of lost or denied power and connection operates as the perception of UN-worthiness, ugliness and worthlessness – which is then used to justify its destruction and remaking in the fantasy image. Keeping a fantasy agenda must sacrifice truth by believing their is none but what (power) dictates – including the power of deceit.

In some sense I associate ‘satanic’ with a love of form-based meanings at expense of truly felt and recognized meaning. This is the making of meanings assigned to forms that become idols of symbols of life – that are not themselves alive – and this extends to the dead letter and concept of an alien will – for it masks in the forms of life – yet ‘lives’ only on the sacrifice given it.

There is another aspect to Satanic – as the story of Job illustrates. The oppositional intent that sets up a choice NOT to know, or to be other than you are (within its conflicted sense of denial as a power unto itself). The development of this
negatively polarised ‘choice’ – (put in quotation marks because we are not humanly aware of this as a choice until it is revealed in light of a true awareness) IS the basis from which an awakened consciousness of light freely chooses or accepts the true, releasing the false. The expansion of consciousness to include and redeem all that is true by release of (identifying) false, is a different self and world experience than the need-driven compulsions of survival under terror that is of course hidden or veiled and masked out by the survival urge.

Moral integrity cannot be codified – although of course there are guidelines such as the 10 commandments or more positively, the two that Jesus chose to exemplify. But the former can be blind, merciless and inducing of compliance under fear – as well as the inhibiting of base impulses. The latter requires the disinhibiting of the ‘higher mind’ as the embodiment of inspired communication. To the ego-kingdom both are equally seen as threat to its order and both are pushed down to unconsciousness that becomes feared for what is hidden there instead of aligned in as the unselfconscious miracle of communication that we may yet open to in play or joyous endeavour. The attempt to regain the forms and feelings of an experience of grace or beauty will operate against the innocence of being open and with Now. In this sense we also deny our joy in the attempt never to lose it or to grasp and protect it.

The call to embrace Life is not the call to sacrifice but it seems that way to our investment in the possessive sense of control. Releasing what truly has no real belonging in the true of me is releasing the basis for a world of sacrifice.
Doing what we truly want is different from imposing a will over our true desire. Coercion is not needed within freely aligned purpose. But higher willing is – and that doesn’t come from rebranding the same old patterns of self-evasion.

My sense of a willingness to ‘sacrifice’ my first born son is not in human terms, but in terms of the release of my own THINKING or self-imaged miscreation in exchange for a true and direct relational awareness. This also was the ‘reward’ to Job whose intuitive faith was not baited or deceived by the forms of the world.

If a loveless deceit interjects to subject us to a world of fear and pain of loss – then let that serve the undoing of our correspondence within its thinking. Clean up your room, as the space in which to go forth from in conscious purpose aligned in a true acceptance of worth – because nothing we mask or manufacture can substitute for the love of Life, and the love of another as our self. This is a gift revealed. Not an application or possessive claim of ideology.


Binra, you asked for definitions; here is my start:


How the Term “Satan” Originated
It was the Egyptian Set, the Egyptian God known as Set, which represented Satan or Saturn; the Persians, instead of calling it Saturn or set, called the planet Satan, and personified the planet as though it were a person. This Awareness indicates that the Persians were the first to invent the personification of that which was called Satan. Later, the time being in approximately the mid part of the Christian Age, Western mystics, in studying various religions, latched on to the Persian teachings of Satan and brought into the Christian religion. Prior to that there was no Satan.

Set (deity) – Wikipedia
Set / s ɛ t / or Seth / s ɛ θ / (Egyptian: stẖ; also transliterated Setesh, Sutekh, Setekh, or Suty) is a god of the desert, storms, disorder, violence, and foreigners in ancient Egyptian religion.
Let’s pause there; for, is not Uncle $cam the Full $pectrum Dominator of “the desert, storms, disorder, violence, and foreigners”?


Set – the 3rd son of Adam and Eve, … no “god”, but man.


@Gheorghe. Interesting, that A&E’s 3rd son should have been named after an Egyptian god; Egypt is in N.Africa on the S.E.Med while Eden seems to be in Yemen — Red Sea / Indian Ocean area. While Abraham came from Basra on the Persian Gulf. But Noah’s Ark landed on Mt.Ararat in the N.E.Med / Black Sea area. The Wandering Jew already?


The Black Sea deluge hypotheses may or may not match Noah’s flood but there are quite a few Ice Age collapse flood that match it.
The wandering Jew may just be the Hyksos invaders who’d been expelled from Egypt. Quite a few correlations between myth and history.

Ross Hendry

Gregory Bateson suggested that the fate of Hiroshima might have been determined at Versailles in 1919 when the Allies reneged on their armistice promise to the Germans of a just peace with soft terms and no punitive measures. This sell out led ‘fairly directly and inevitably’ to the second world war.

For Japan, towards the end of WW2, ‘there was a lot of talk about “unconditional surrender,” perhaps because we could not trust ourselves to honor a conditional armistice’.



The rentier class who’d encumbered America with the national debt did the same to Germany. Leading to WWII and the cycle of permanent war for permanent debt servicing. (Rothschild agent Lazar Wolf was involved in the Lincoln assassination plot, bankers financed Japanese rearmament for the 1905 war with Russia, Germans and Japanese saddled with permanent war guilt).

Ross Hendry

Hi manfromatlan

Interesting – thanks.

We’ve conversed before – I used to post under the moniker ‘Odysseus’ on Peter Quennell’s site.


Hi, Ross, yes I remember, also on twitter.


A very good book “Lords of Finance” by Liaquat Ahamed

With penetrating insights for today, this vital history of the world economic collapse of the late 1920s offers unforgettable portraits of the four men whose personal and professional actions as heads of their respective central banks changed the course of the twentieth century

It is commonly believed that the Great Depression that began in 1929 resulted from a confluence of events beyond any one person’s or government’s control. In fact, as Liaquat Ahamed reveals, it was the decisions taken by a small number of central bankers that were the primary cause of the economic meltdown, the effects of which set the stage for World War II and reverberated for decades.


All the Leaders of all the races, tribes, and nations of people in the world at various times in history fully qualify as monstrous, and in particular in the inducing of hordes of lesser individuals to enforce their monstrosities. Whether it’s Native Americans, Native South Americans, Asians, Africans, or Europeans, enslaving, killing, torturing, or cannibalising, or maybe just killing for fun or religion, all can just point the finger at someone else to relieve their guilt.
It’s a pointless exercise. After succumbing to exhaustion or the annillation of the ‘enemy’, the adult response is just to make friends, start over, and try again to get along, at least for a while until those with influence choose to exercise their evil intentions, usually for no particular reason other than to enhance their personal power and/or wealth.
Think about Iraq, Libya, and on the agendum, Syria, Russia, Iran, ad infinitum. It’s always been and will never end.
Zero-base thinking, akin to the zero-base accounting of the ’70s is probably the best defense to survive the moment we’re in.


“Ahab is forever Ahab, man. …. I am the Fates’ lieutenant; I act under orders.”

Ahab believes that the whiteness of the whale represents evil, and in my youth I read some critics who spread that whale-hunter propaganda. But when I came to read the book, my first revelation was that Ahab was actually the Anglo Capitalists lieutenant, acting under orders from “his” ship’s real owners – a couple of Anglo Capitalist brothers. Ahab was their hired hand, their Specnatz Advisor to a multicultural troop recruited from low-wage countries around the globe. Although Ahab grandiloquently purported to be Fate’s Crusade to Against Evil, when I came to read what his ship actually did, they caught living whales and converting them into whale meat, whale oil for lamps, whale bone for corsets, and spermacetti for cosmetics and industrial lubricants: from all of which Products his Capitalist owners expected profit. But Ahab’s mad Yankee Suprematist course around the globe, seeking to wreak Exceptionalist vengeance on the creature which had dared to hurt him when he hunted it, consumed all the profit from that Last Crusade. Thus, in my mind, that flick of the tail and final butt of the head from the White Whale, which destroyed not only all Ahab’s little attack craft but also his big mother ship, was Gaia grown finally impatient with would-be “Fate’s Lieutenant”.


You may want to read Matthias Chang’s classic, Brainwashed for War: Programmed to Kill. It explains how the people are always deceived into fighting needless wars that do not benefit anyone but the elites.

The atomic bombings were war crimes. Not the only Allied atrocities, though, but the ones that are widely known.

Harry Stotle
Harry Stotle

“The bombs prevented thousands more US troops from being wounded or dying, not to mention countless collateral Japanese and Asian non-combatants.” – no, that was a lie invented by McGeorge Bundy (later the architect of the war in Viet Nam)
https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/the-myth-of hiroshima_us_5943d82de4b0d188d027fd76

The ‘we had to do it’ myth arose after journalists such as John Hersey reported on the terrible human suffering in Hiroshima.
The devastation inflicted by ‘Little boy’ was profoundly at odds with America’s perception of itself as a civilised society so propaganda was necessary to maintain certain self serving illusions.

Since little was learned after these criminal deeds it left the door open for the US to commit further acts of unilateral aggression while most people in the west remained blissfully ignorant of them (even when they were collapsing buildings, and murdering thousands of people in New York).

This is the crux of it – America does shit yet the queue of apologists for what they have done (including widespread support in the MSM) never seems to exhaust itself.
Until this changes the pattern is doomed to repeat itself (it would seem either Russia or Iran is next up)


American propagandists deliberately suppressed the effects of “atomic plague” – or radiation – in order to make the evil seem acceptable. They blamed the deaths on the blast alone. Access to the ruins was strictly controlled: limited to what we would call “embedded journalists” today. Only one Australian journalist, Wilfred Burchett, managed to escape the military chaperones to file his uncensored reports. John Pilger later interviewed him:


Imagine if the Daily Express where still a world leading truthbreaking outlet!

Harry Stotle
Harry Stotle

One things for sure if a Viner led Guardian was reporting the post Hiroshima catastrophe they would soon be censoring anybody that did not subscribe to the ‘we had to do it’ school of thought (for contravening ‘community standards’).

Fascinating article here

To quote from it: “As soon as Japanese physicians and scientists reached Hiroshima after the bombing, they collected evidence and studied the mysterious symptoms in the ill and dying. American officials confiscated Japanese reports, medical case notes, biopsy slides, medical photographs, and films and sent them to the US where much remained classified for years (some for decades). Historians note the irony of American Occupation officials claiming to bring a new freedom of the press to Japan, but censoring what the Japanese said in print about the atomic bombs.”

And: “An additional explanation for the censorship of information pertaining to radiation is that US officials did not want the new weapon to be associated with radiological or chemical warfare, both of which were expanding in scope and funding after the war. Those associated with the atomic bomb wanted it to be viewed as a powerful but regular military weapon, a traditional “combat bomb.”

So only ‘a traditional combat bomb’ apparently – what sort of person actually swallows this kind of shit?


When testing the atomic bomb, observers were stationed not that far away, and wore sunglasses for protection.
People in downtown Las Vegas were able to see the explosions; it was an event, and was sold as a tourist attraction.

It’s pretty obvious that even in the ’50s, the full effects of radioactive exposure were not fully known.

Harry Stotle
Harry Stotle

“It’s pretty obvious that even in the ’50s, the full effects of radioactive exposure were not fully known.” – not all of the late stage effects but enough to know that Operation Teapot entailed significant health and environmental risks.

The US military suppressed clinical data from Japanese medics after the blasts in Hiroshima and Nagasaki then allowed cold war paranoia to blinker their judgement when it came to looking after the welfare of their own colleagues.
In other words the military might not have been able to quantify all of the risks but this is not the same as suggesting the tests were in anyway safe.

Mulga Mumblebrain
Mulga Mumblebrain

The atomic bombings were Standard Operating Procedure for the USA, which goes out of its way to target civilians. For the latest example, the psychopaths in Thanatopolis DC claim that their utterly illegal sanctions on Iran, ordered by the USA’s true ruler, Netan-yahoo, are not intended to harm the Iranian people. But as before with regard to Iran, and was one of the prime mechanisms of genocide inflicted on Iraq in the 90s, medicines will be central features of the sanctions, and the USA will attempt, with typically vicious thuggery, to force third parties like India to join in this attack on Iranian society. And sometime in the next few years, when another Hell-hound like Madeleine Albright is confronted with the human death toll of these sanctions, she, he or it will snarl ‘Yes’, all those deaths of children were ‘Worth it’.


Sorry for the duplication – I sent this comment when my previous comment seemed to disappear into the ether after I posted it.


One might read history very differently from this article. It became clear near the end of the war, that a culture which for centuries honored suicide as a path to heaven (like modern Islam), was going to fight to the death. A suicidal pattern was becoming observed in battles leading up to the A-Bombs in which troops died rather than surrender. The bombs prevented thousands more US troops from being wounded or dying, not to mention countless collateral Japanese and Asian non-combatants.

Recall, it took TWO A-bombs to trigger Japan’s surrender – two. One can just as easily assert that ending a lost war by nuclear bomb saved many war-weary Japanese civilians caught up in the situation. It also saved millions of Koreans, Chinese, and Indian civilians from slaughter.

To characterize all Japanese civilians as innocents is rubbish. Most Japanese supported their war with the US and actively participated in manufacturing food, war machines, and ammunition to sustain the war.

As for scaring the Russians, that hypothesis is right out of the Alex Jones playbook. At that time, Russia was beyond war-weary, had been economically devastated by the war, millions of civilians and soldiers dead – millions more wounded or starving. Russia wa no immediate threat to anybody – least of all the US. People who know their history know chronology is telling. The only reason the US had animus to the pre-Soviet Russians was a misguided historical fear that communism would upend global capitalism – that US and European workers would once again start striking and demanding socialist services like healthcare and better pay. We have come a long way – full circle.

Mulga Mumblebrain
Mulga Mumblebrain

Garbage apologia for US genocide. DESPICABLE.


Neither ancient nor modern Islam’s “a culture which for centuries honored suicide as a path to heaven”. The Quran is very strict about that. Only the ancient and current iterations of the Hashishin, maybe 🙂


I agree that scaring the Russians was not a reason for dropping the bombs. Not only is that out of the Alex Jones playbook, but it’s out of Oliver Stone’s playbook and the Leftist playbook in general. See “Oliver Stone on the Japanese Surrender.” http://dcdave.com/article5/130122.htm.

The rest of this comment, however, is pure establishment baloney. Curtin is absolutely right that the bomb dropping was unnecessary. We ended up accepting surrender terms from Japan that were essentially the same as what they were offering, not only before we dropped the bombs, but also before the bloodiy invasions of Iwo Jima and Okinawa. Our stringing out the war was likely done partially at the behest of the pro-Communist advisers that Truman had inherited from FDR. It was a pro-Russian policy, not an anti-Russian policy.


In Judeo-Christian culture, ressentiment rules, says Nietzsche;

Only those who suffer are good, only the poor, the powerless, the lowly are good; the suffering, the deprived, the sick, the ugly, are the only pious people, the only ones saved, salvation is for them alone, whereas you rich, the noble and powerful, you eternally wicked cruel, lustful, insatiate, godless, you will be eternally wretched, cursed and damned.

To put it another way, the Christan’s other cheek is the Jews revenge.


@rob a bobbin. Alas, poor Frederick! A good second-rate mind gone soft through his urge to propagandize instead of patiently establishing the truth about human behaviour (Genealogy of Morals, 1887) then ruined by a final descent into clinical madness (1889).

Mulga Mumblebrain
Mulga Mumblebrain

Gone ga-ga because of tertiary syphilis, I fear-unless he was faking it.


Almost certainly not faking but, with the hindsight of advances in neurology and the recorded progress of his symptoms, perhaps as or more likely frontotemporal dementia, in which the common characteristic of several subtypes is a physical shrinkage of the frontal lobes of the brain. Similar to Alzheimer’s but generally earlier onset and with differences in progression. Either way, more medical misfortune than moral culpability.


@Rob and Mulga. That’s what I meant by “clinical” madness; not Nietzsche’s fault. But the rhapsodci slapdash of his language, and the facile simplificity of his cartoon match between two straw men — Creeping Jesus vs Noble Overman — are his fault. A good secondrate philosopher gone soft and joined the prose poets — or worse, founded a cult.

Mulga Mumblebrain
Mulga Mumblebrain

His sister was responsible for the cult. He wrote nonsense beautifully. I’m assured it is even more impressive in German. Russell’s musings on what would have happened to Nietzsche if he did try to put his propositions for male-female relations into effect were quite droll.


I like Terry Eagleton’s summation of Nietzsche:

“Nietzsche is an astonishingly radical thinker, who hacks his way through the superstructure to leave hardly a strut of it standing. As far as the base goes, his radicalism leaves everything exactly as it was, only a good deal more so.”


I hear the utopian Aryan-supremacist settlement Nueva Germania, founded by Elizabeth Nietzsche and her husband Bernhard Förster in the 1870s, still survives in Paraguay – but it is very poor and the descendants of the German families suffer from physical and mental health problems associated with inbreeding.



Koreans are probably the best judges of whether living under a cruel Japanese military regime or living under the current US military regime is worse.

At least the Japanese did not pretend they were bringing “freedom” and “democracy” to the Koreans while the Korean peninsula was under their rule.


On seeing this load of racist tripe from CE, I am reminded of the saying “Best stay quiet and be thought a fool than to open your mouth and remove all doubt”.

If anyone allowed the Japanese to evade responsibility for war crimes, it was the Americans themselves by punishing and executing a token few politicians like Tojo and allowing others like Shiro Ishii full immunity for their crimes if they agreed to give the US information and the results of research on biological and chemical weapons used on POWs and civilians.

Japan’s political and military establishment pursued empire because others (like Britain, France and Germany) had already pursued empire and were still doing so. In pursuing empire (a very Western idea at the time), Japan defeated another empire: the British empire in Singapore in February 1942. Hardly conservative, backward or stagnant for the period.

But keep going, CE – every place must have its village idiot.


On seeing this latest piece of racist tripe from Comite Espartaco, I am reminded of the old cliche “Best be thought a fool and stay quiet than to open your mouth and remove all doubt”.

The fact is that the Americans punished and executed some Japanese war criminals but pardoned others if the latter willingly provided their conquerors with information or research into bioweapons and chemical weapons that the Americans did not already have. There is plenty of information available on the Internet concerning the fate of Shiro Ishii, head of the notorious Unit 731, if one is willing to search.

In pursuing empire, the Japanese were doing what European powers before them – Britain in particular, and France – had already done and were still doing. At the same time Japan was committing atrocities in China and other parts of Asia, Britain allowed 2 – 3 million to starve to death in the Bengal area in India.

In pursuing empire, Japan did what no other European power had been capable of doing: defeat the British Empire in Singapore (February 1942) in the most embarrassing way possible – by riding bikes down through the Malay Peninsula and into Singapore island while the British were expecting a sea invasion. The Japanese army captured 80,000 British, Indian and Australian POWs and 40,000 British Commonwealth civilians. By underestimating Japanese ingenuity and fighting prowess, the British suffered the worst military defeat in history.


No-one is excusing Japanese WWII war crimes and atrocities on this comments forum. But the Americans themselves did – back in the 1940s and 50s in order to pursue its own geopolitical ambitions in the vacuum left behind by the British, the Germans and the Japanese.

Mulga Mumblebrain
Mulga Mumblebrain

The USA was SO disgusted by Japanese war-crimes that they installed Japanese war criminals in power, destroyed trade unions, attacked socialists and Communists, and after a ten year reign, turned a mock ‘democracy’ over to the rich and the Imperialist ‘enemies’ of but ten years past, and these have ruled a one-party regime ever since, now headed by US favourite, Abe, an hereditary fascist, Imperial Japanese apologist and denier of the Nanjing Holocaust.


So horrified were the Americans by Japanese war crimes that they even considered turning over the whole Korean peninsula back to the Japanese to govern after 1945.

comite espartaco

Considering the atomic bombings without the context of the war and the Japanese atrocities in Asia, is an unsustainable abstraction that can only fool those who want to be fooled. It would be comparable to saying that Hermann Göring should not be hanged, because he did not do anything in person or that soldier should not shoot as they could kill someone that did not shoot. There is a corrupted, flawed and racist logic in blaming ‘Americans’ and ‘Westerners’ for all types of crimes, while allowing the ‘Japanese’ to evade all responsibility for some of the most atrocious abominations in history because they lost the war they started. The criminal Japanese Empire, rejected unconditional surrender with the hope of avoiding revolution, occupation and responsibility for war crimes, while it practiced the most ruthless policies towards those it conquered.
It is, simply, not true that ‘Western’ minds are willing to accept ‘fig leaves’ to cover heinous crimes. On the contrary, it is Western critique that has moved modern history, as opposed to more traditional, conservative, backward, stagnant and uncritical ‘Oriental’ ways of thinking.
Japan’s elites wanted an empire and were prepared to go to the most brutal war to acquire it, dragging the whole population with them, but in their desperation to exploit and plunder Asia, they attacked a giant that could only crush them, as it duly did.

Mulga Mumblebrain
Mulga Mumblebrain

Only a lying hypocrite would assert that opponents of the A-bomb atrocities are according Imperial Japan the ability to ‘..evade all responsibility some of the most atrocious abominations in history…’, and only a truly vile racist and inhuman thug would believe that innocent Japanese civilians deserved to be evaporated, or burned beyond recognition or be poisoned, generation after generation, for the crimes of a vicious elite who treated any dissent from the populace with vicious cruelty.

Harry Stotle
Harry Stotle

The article is not an apologia for Japan’s barbarity it is an attempt to situate violence exercised by successive US governments in a broader political context, and unlike 1940’s Japan one that persists to this very day.

At the heart of Curtin’s analysis is a concern about a willingness amongst western minds to accept self-evident fig leaves rather than the heinous deeds they often cover.

If you look at the Irving link below (and leaving aside some of his other repugnant views) you will see that there is a paper trail verifying America’s disregard for a diplomatic solution – this is an undeniable historical fact, surely?

It’s pathetic to say that just because Japan was a cruel imperial power this gave the US carte blanch when it came to murdering hundreds of thousands of civilians.
Needless to say the media campaign in the aftermath of the bombing was based on lies including this cracker from the New York Times which claimed “No radioactivity in Hiroshima ruin”

Can you see a pattern here?