Spooks and the Masked Media

Edward Curtin

“Back of the world in which we live, far in the background, lies another world. The relation between the two is not unlike the relation we sometimes see in the theater between the forestage scene in the regular acting area and a scrim scene projected behind it. Through a thin gauze we see, as it were, a world of gauze, lighter, more ethereal, qualitatively different from the actual world. Many people who appear bodily in the actual world do not belong in it but in that other.” Soren Kierkegaard, “Diary of the Seducer” in Either/Or

From the outset, the use of journalists was among the CIA’s most sensitive undertakings, with full knowledge restricted to the Director of Central Intelligence and a few of his chosen deputies.” Carl Bernstein, “The CIA and the Media,” Rolling Stone

Personality is persona, a mask…The mask is magic…Larva means mask; or ghost…it also means mad, a case of demoniacal possession.”Norma O. Brown, Love’s Body

There are innocent and guilty actors populating the American stage.

Unlike the naïve children who joyously revel in the costumes they don for Halloween, unaware as they are of the death fears they exorcise, the corporate mainstream media wear their masks year-round, while they consciously abet the United States government, its intelligence agencies, and its allies in exercising their God-given right to inflict death on people around the world, including many innocent children.

To point out the media’s sickening hypocrisy (Greek hypokrites, stage actor) is, in one way, quite easy and facile, but in another quite difficult because of the powerful hypnotic hold people’s “trusted” media have on them. To even suggest that people’s favorite mainstream media are doing the work of the secret state feels so insulting to people’s intelligence with its suggestion of gullibility that many recoil in anger at the possibility.

A common retort is that it is absurd to suggest that The New York Times, The Washington Post, Fox News, CNN, etc. are just disseminating propaganda from behind a mask of objectivity. And it is that small word “just” that reveals the falsity of the reply. For obviously these media organizations report truthfully on certain matters. For if they didn’t, their lies would not work. But when it comes to crucial matters of foreign or domestic policy – matters that involve the controlling interests of the elites – lies and deceptions are the rule.

Yes, Trump is a narcissistic mana personality who has entranced and mystified his hard core followers. But to think he is the only hypnotist on the stage is childish beyond belief. The psychoanalyst Sandor Ferenczi observed that people are so susceptible to returning to an imaginary childhood through hypnotic trances because “In our innermost soul we are still children, and we remain so throughout life.” Like the little children who go trick-or-treating dressed up as ghosts, witches, or grim reapers, adults too fear death and are easily induced to believe god-like authorities who will quell their fears and ostensibly explain to them who the good and bad guys are.

Like parents with children, the masked media magicians play the good cop/bad cop game with great success. Obama was a god; Trump, the devil. Trump is a savior; Obama, a destroyer. This charade is so obvious that it’s not. But that’s how the play is played. At the moment, all eyes are on Trump, who commands center stage. And those obsessively transfixed eyes are staring out of the heads of people of all political persuasions, those that love and those that loathe the man and all he stands for. And who has created this obsession but none other than our friends in the corporate media, the same people who gave us Obama-mania.

Meanwhile, back stage…it’s a wonderful life.

There’s Saudi Arabia and the recent news about the killing of Jamal Khashoggi and the Saudi war on Yemen. You may rightly wonder what that is all about.

And you might remember and be wondering about the poisoning, allegedly by Russia, of those Russian nationals Sergei Scripal and his daughter Yulia, who have been kept in total isolation by the British authorities for eight months.

Do you wonder about where the war against Syria went? Has it just gone to sleep until after November’s election? Is that what wars do, take naps?

Do you wonder obsessively about the upcoming mid-term election and all those “former” CIA folks running for office? “Crucial” elections, the media tell us. The state of the country is riding on them, right? Or is it the world?

There is so much to wonder about. The costumes are so creative, the masks mesmerizing. Something’s happening, right. There is so much to wonder about in Wonderland. Something is happening, as Dylan sings:

You raise up your head and you ask, “Is this where it is?”
And somebody points to you and says, “It’s his”
And you say, “What’s mine?” and somebody else says, “Well, what is?”
And you say, “Oh my God, am I here all alone?”
But something is happening and you don’t know what it is
Do you, Mr. Jones?

As you no doubt do know, The Washington Post, The New York Times and other corporate media are outraged by the killing of Khashoggi and now by the Saudis’ war on Yemen. Does their outrage make you wonder how outrage works?

Here from seven years ago:

The extent of America’s war in Yemen has been among the Obama administration’s most closely guarded secrets, as officials worried that news of unilateral American operations could undermine Mr. Saleh’s tenuous grip on power.

That was the NY Times’ Mark Mazzetti on June 8, 2011, two-and-a-half years into the Obama administration.

This is Mark Mazzetti for October 20, 2018, “Saudis’ Image Makers: A Troll Army and a Twitter Insider”:

In one conversation viewed by The Times, dozens of leaders [Saudi] decided to mute critics of Saudi Arabia’s military attacks on Yemen by reporting the messages to Twitter as “sensitive.

The article goes on to describe how the formerly Saudi good guys are getting bad and doing Russian-like stuff like trolling and “swarming and stifling critics on Twitter” in a propaganda and public relations campaign. Boy, isn’t it shocking and a cause for wonder? What they wouldn’t do!

And then there’s the Times’ emotional story from October 20, 2018 by Declan Walsh with photos and video from Tyler Hicks – “This is the Front Line of Saudi Arabia’s Invisible War” – that says:

The Khashoggi crisis has called attention to a largely overlooked Saudi-led war in Yemen. On a rare trip to the front line, we found Yemenis fighting and dying in a war that has gone nowhere.

“Largely overlooked” – by whom? “Gone nowhere” – and where was it supposed to go?

Now what’s happening, Mr. Reader? Has the worm turned? Do you wonder? It’s hard to remember to forget or forget to remember, isn’t it?

Would this article – U.S. stepping up weapons shipments to aid Saudi air campaign over Yemen – from April, 7, 2015 make you wonder what’s happening now?

It begins:

The United States appears to be slowly but steadily deepening its involvement in the war in Yemen.”
So many things “appear” and disappear, it makes you wonder, doesn’t it?

Yes, the American stage is populated with so many spooky masked media characters, you’d think they were out to scare and trick us, rather than treat us well.

I’m afraid that’s what’s happening in Wonderland, Mr. Jones.

Edward Curtin teaches sociology at Massachusetts College of Liberal Arts. His writing on varied topics has appeared widely over many years. He writes as a public intellectual for the general public, not as a specialist for a narrow readership. He believes a non-committal sociology is an impossibility and therefore sees all his work as an effort to enhance human freedom through understanding. His website is edwardcurtin.com

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Edward Curtin teaches sociology at Massachusetts College of Liberal Arts. His writing on varied topics has appeared widely over many years. He writes as a public intellectual for the general public, not as a specialist for a narrow readership. He believes a non-committal sociology is an impossibility and therefore sees all his work as an effort to enhance human freedom through understanding. His website is edwardcurtin.com

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Razzer Dazzer
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Razzer Dazzer

What does the Guardian guard, except their own myopic Extreme-Left-Feminist tunnel-Vision. If it wasn’t for the Scott Trust, they would be down the toilet of history, where they belong, because they wouldn’t sell enough papers to employ their tea-person ;o) Feminist editor, Feminist contributors, including all the ‘male’ cucks.

John2o2o
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John2o2o

It’s the same here in the UK with the Guardian and the Times being possibly the primary loci for the left and right wing arms of the deep state propaganda operation. The Guardian also has an American propaganda arm as well, of course. I can hardly believe I’m writing this. Not so long ago I would have considered such sentiments delusional paranoia, but this year my eyes have really been opened to the appalling reality of the brainwashing that we are subjected to on a daily basis by the so called “security” services via the MSM. For many years I… Read more »

frank
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frank

“Now what’s happening, Mr. Reader? Has the worm turned? Do you wonder? It’s hard to remember to forget or forget to remember, isn’t it?”

The deep state has split and now there’s two factions fighting each other. That’s why there’s so much contradiction in what’s been happening. Just a theory of course. 😉

rtj1211
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rtj1211

I am afraid the whole process of joining the Establishment is intimately linked to joining the spying world. My sister was recruited at medical school, if not before, and at 26 was ordered to spy on her brother, working harmlessly in a ski resort in Switzerland. As a psychopath, she had no problems destroying all bonds of family to do so. She feigns surprise that I should not see this behaviour as normal and acceptable. My father was recruited back in the day doing colonial service instead of military service. His veneer slips too often for me to have any… Read more »

UN for sale. Media for sale. Western Civilisation for sale
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UN for sale. Media for sale. Western Civilisation for sale

It has been revealed, the Saudis bought the UN’s silence for the crimes in Yemen.

Which explains the media’s outrage in the Khashoggi case:
We haven’t been paid to remain silence for this, that’s why we’ll not shut up

jdseanjd
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Genocide is undertaken for control: the 1%s fear they cannot control a world of expanding populations with improving technology & science. Hence the drives for depopulation & De-industrialisation, once Russia is flattened.

Robert Zubrin’s book: Merchants of Despair, shows how safe & clean nuclear power is being held back by govt bureaucracy, govt over-regulation & demonisation via the 1%s fake news MSM.
It also shows some of the depopulation strategies being employed in the 21st century & traces these demonic strategies back through Brit, US & Nazi eugenics to their, IMHO, Satanic, stupid & racist roots.

http://www.drtimball.com

John Doran.

Mulga Mumblebrain
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Mulga Mumblebrain

‘Safe and clean nuclear power’??!! Where are you George Orwell?

jdseanjd
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Apart from Zubrin’s book, Mumbling Mugbrain, try this 1 hr 33 min video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vkAFu7HQyzY
If ref does not work, put in search box:
Nuclear Energy Is Not What You Think
! hr 33 mins.

I note joyfully that you NEVER EVER BACK UP ANY OF YOUR RIDICULOUS WILD CLAIMS.

John Doran.

jdseanjd
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Zubrin is a PhD nuclear engineer with 9 patents to his name or pending: one sharp chap. He also exposes the warming/climate fraud.

The roots are the vicious stupidity of Thomas Malthus & the Brit Empire & the genocidal racism of Charles Darwin.

John Doran.

Mulga Mumblebrain
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Mulga Mumblebrain

It was announced yesterday that the oceans have sequestered 25% more heat in recent decades than previously estimated. Surveys of insect life in tropical reserves have found a 90% plus collapse in numbers, caused by 2 degrees Celsius of temperature increases in the areas. YET, STILL, the lunatic cries that it is ‘fraud’. Can any species have ever produced specimens so intent on self-destruction?

jdseanjd
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“It was announced yesterday”
WHERE? mumbling mugbrain, back up your ridiculous claim.
“90% collapse in numbers”? Peer-reviewed paper ref, mumbling mugbrain? Back up your ridiculous claim.
“2 Deg C rise in temperature in “the areas” HAHAHAHA.
What areas? Backup? Mumbling Mugbrain?
The Global average temperature rise since 1850, the Little Ice Age, till now is approx 0.7 Deg C.

John Doran.

Mulga Mumblebrain
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Mulga Mumblebrain

I do love how hardcore denialists like you don’t bother to hide your stupidity and ignorance. Your figure of 0,7 degrees is utter garbage, and it is NOT uniform across the planet. It is already much higher at high latitudes like the Arctic, and it was measured, by scientists, as 2 degrees Celsius in this Puerto Rican rainforest. I just googled the study, by Lister and Garcia, published in the ‘Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences’ and found numerous references. Are you incompetent, lying, or both?

jdseanjd
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http://www.climatedepot.com/2018/10/17/analysis-global-warming-pause-extendsbecoming-clear-un-ipcc-grossly-overstated-projected-warming/

You recently claimed 60% of major animals “extirpated”, but couldn’t name ONE !!!!!

Who’s the incompetent liar ?????

Mark Gobell
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Mark Gobell

Reply to jdseanjd

So far I haven’t found any reference to the 90% claim.

On 18 October the Gruan warned :

Warning of ‘ecological Armageddon’ after dramatic plunge in insect numbers
https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2017/oct/18/warning-of-ecological-armageddon-after-dramatic-plunge-in-insect-numbers

quoting this report :

More than 75 percent decline over 27 years in total flying insect biomass in protected areas
https://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0185809

MG

jdseanjd
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Mark, I’m not even going to bother reading the industrial scale fear porn nonsense published by the graun.

NOT a single ONE of the fear porn predictions made by the One-World-Govt-Fascists since the hijacked “environmental” movement since June 1988 has come true.

It’s ALL pure BS.

MuttBrain Mumbling recently claimed 60% big animals “extirpated”, couldn’t name a SINGLE ONE, & accused me of being an incompetent liar.

Go figure.

Mulga Mumblebrain
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Mulga Mumblebrain

The study, by Lister and Garcia, published in the PNAS, reported a ‘sixty-fold’ decrease, i.e c. 98%. Learn how to read and Google.

Mark Gobell
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Mark Gobell

Thanks for not supplying a link MM. Twice. At the risk of upsetting you further, I found this : Climate-driven declines in arthropod abundance restructure a rainforest food web http://www.pnas.org/content/115/44/E10397 Bradford C. Lister and Andres Garcia PNAS October 30, 2018 115 (44) E10397-E10406; published ahead of print October 15, 2018 https://doi.org/10.1073/pnas.1722477115 Edited by Nils Christian Stenseth, University of Oslo, Oslo, Norway, and approved September 10, 2018 (received for review January 8, 2018) Here’s the “60 fold” figure you quote : “We compared arthropod biomass in Puerto Rico’s Luquillo rainforest with data taken during the 1970s and found that biomass had… Read more »

Mulga Mumblebrain
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Mulga Mumblebrain

What do you think ‘sixty-fold’ means?

Mark Gobell
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Mark Gobell

I can read and use search engines. I had no idea where the 97% claim came from so I did my best to find it. Sorry I failed so miserably. Whatever is the matter with you ?

MG

Mulga Mumblebrain
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Mulga Mumblebrain

You’re just lying, as expected. I Googled it and found NUMEROUS mentions of the study. Can you sink any lower? Of course you will!

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Admin

For heavens sake Mulga, if you googled it and found numerous links just post one of them here and stop this childish nonsense.

Stonky
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Stonky

“Surveys of insect life in tropical reserves have found a 90% plus collapse in numbers, caused by 2 degrees Celsius of temperature increases in the areas.” Mulga, this could not possibly be true. Take the UK for example. The kind of insects that are disappearing from the UK are things like houseflies, wasps, butterflies and moths. They are literally disappearing. The gap in average temperatures between London and Aberdeen is 5 degrees. The gap between the average low in Aberdeen and the average high in London is 10 degrees. The gap between the average winter low in Aberdeen and the… Read more »

Mulga Mumblebrain
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Mulga Mumblebrain

And your scientific, particularly ecological and entomological qualifications are what, precisely? I should have said that the scientists conjecture was that the population crash was caused by climate change, but the facts of that collapse, and others elsewhere, are IRREFUTABLE. As I said above, what drives you creatures to reject science, rationality and evidence?

Mark Gobell
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Mark Gobell

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MM : “!And your scientific, particularly ecological and entomological qualifications are what, precisely?”

Touché MM, I asked you the exact same question on 10 October.

https://off-guardian.org/2018/10/07/911unmasked-update-and-reminder/#comment-133720

I’m still waiting for your answer …

MG

Mulga Mumblebrain
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Mulga Mumblebrain

I have a brain not infected with Rightwing psychopathology, unlike you, so I so not reject science, rationality and evidence to suit my twisted ego, as you and the Off Guardian denialist cabal do. I rather worry about the continued existence of humanity and Life on Earth, too.

Mark Gobell
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Mark Gobell

That’s not an anawer MM, that’s simple abuse and deflection. You ask others to justify their views by questioning their scientific credentials and I remind you that I asked you the same question 14 days ago now and I’m still waiting for your answer … This is your second attempt at a response and all you can offer is further abuse in lieu of an actual meaningful answer. I remind you and others also, that mush of the Climate Change Cult’s alleged philosophy is predicated on some notion of concern for the planet and humanity. How do we square the… Read more »

Mark Gobell
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Mark Gobell

Mulga Mumblebrain: Nov, 2, 2018 I have a brain not infected with Rightwing psychopathology, unlike you, so I so not reject science, rationality and evidence to suit my twisted ego, as you and the Off Guardian denialist cabal do. I rather worry about the continued existence of humanity and Life on Earth, too. Do you even know the meaning of the psychological concept of projection ? When you finally decide to reveal your scientific credentials to the world MM, folk can then begin to consider whether you are competent to assess “climate science.” Until then, you come across to me… Read more »

Mark Gobell
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Mark Gobell

MM : I rather worry about the continued existence of humanity and Life on Earth, too.

Yet you have immense difficulty treating those fellow humans with anything other than contempt.

MG

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Admin

Virtually every post you make these days is a torrent of abuse at someone or another, seemingly at random and without the slightest provocation most of the time. Stop. Or if you genuinely can’t please talk to someone or seek help.

Mulga Mumblebrain
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Mulga Mumblebrain

Stupid, ignorant, mendacious ecological catastrophe denialists are, in my opinion, the very worst type of creature extant. The very worst, working as they do to reject science, rationality and evidence in their Evil Crusade to advance their diabolical cause of hastening human extinction. I have been impressed since they first crawled out of the fossil fuel industry financed sewer, by the sheer Evil of it all.

Mulga Mumblebrain
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Mulga Mumblebrain

Come on ‘Admin’. I have a wager that you lot are really an off-shoot of the ‘Living Marxism’ cabal, posing as ‘dissidents’ to cover your REAL purpose-to deny and reject EVERY ecological catastrophe descending on humanity, in the interests of the economic forces behind them.

Stonky
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Stonky

I’m coming round to the Admin view here. This latest post is so demented that it has to be a wind-up. Mulga has been taking the piss out of us all, all the way.

Admin
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Admin

Mulga, we have a bet on here at OffG that you’re actually Monckton in disguise, playing a clever game to make all believers in AGW look like lunatic intolerant anti-rational bigots.

Stonky
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Stonky

Please don’t ban or mod Mulga. One of OffGuardian’s greatest strengths is that it is one of the few places that still allows a ‘robust’ exchange of views.

Mulga’s not actually threatening people with violence, and you would have to be rather oversensitive in my view to find his/her torrents of abuse anything other than funny.

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Admin

We don’t ban people. And we don’t get precious about politeness. But there are limits.

Stonky
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Stonky

You’re not listening Mulga. I’m not disputing the catastrophic fall in insect numbers. It’s plain to anybody with two eyes and a brain who drives in the British countryside at night that moths are disappearing. The point I am making is that any ‘scientist’ who ‘conjectures’ that this is being caused by global warming or climate change is full of shit. The data in my post is IRREFUTABLE too. In fact given that it’s based on simple temperatures measured with a simple thermometer, it’s a hell of a lot more irrefutable than the algorithmic BS that the warmists conjure up… Read more »

Mulga Mumblebrain
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Mulga Mumblebrain

You do not seem to appreciate that it is the RATE of temperature increases that matters, NOT the extent (and the rises have barely begun). And the situation in a Puerto Rican rainforest is different from the UK, where the environment is drenched in insect-killing pollutants, particularly chemical poisons. Ecosystems are fragile, easily disrupted, but resilient, but only so long as change is gradual, not abrupt, as at present. What drives you to reject plain scientific findings, and educated conjecture? Is it fear, or ideology?

Stonky
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Stonky

“You do not seem to appreciate that it is the RATE of temperature increases that matters, NOT the extent…” Don’t be silly Mulga. Concerning the rate of temperature increase:The average low temperature in Aberdeen is 5 degrees over the year. The average high temperature is 11 degrees. That means the average ‘rise’ in temperature in a single day is 6 degrees. There must be many days when the rise is much higher than that. So insects can withstand a “rate of temperature increase” of 6 degrees in a single day, but they’re being wiped out by a “rate of temperature… Read more »

Mulga Mumblebrain
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Mulga Mumblebrain

Nothing quite like a Rightwing imbecile dedicated to destroying its own species. Or are you.

Stonky
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Stonky

Mulga, I’m not right-wing or an imbecile. I’ve read the Puerto Rico study and the data seems very sound. There is a temperature rise, and there is a sharp fall in the insect populations. But the suggestion that the one has caused the other is pure conjecture, offered without one shred of scientific evidence. And it ignores the salient fact that there have been huge falls in insect populations elsewhere, where there is not a shred of evidence of temperature rises. If I were to claim that the fall in insect populations has been caused by the rise in the… Read more »

Moriartysleftsock
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Moriartysleftsock

Who says the current rate of warming is unusual? Ice cores and tree ring data can’t give us such detail.We are only guessing about all such things.

Speaking of plain scientific findings, the only study of insect decline I have read (done in Germany) specifically ruled out climate change as a likely cause. Do you have other data?

Mulga Mumblebrain
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Mulga Mumblebrain

The rate of climate change at present is ten to twenty times more rapid than at, say, the PETM of 55 million years ago, because the rate of accumulation of CO2 in the atmosphere is ten to twenty times more rapid. The science regarding that is settled, but denialist imbeciles, or liars, or both, simply refuse to believe the facts, and thus materially aid the process of humanity bringing about its self-destruction. It’s a real achievement.

Mulga Mumblebrain
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Mulga Mumblebrain

‘AGW central at Langley’??!! There’s the paranoid imbecility of the conspiracy fanatic denialists for you. The CIA controls ALL the Academies of Science, ALL the scientific societies and 99% of actively publishing climate scientists, in the world, does it? No wonder humanity is on its way out when it produces creatures like the Offguardian denialist cabal.

Moriartysleftsock
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Moriartysleftsock

I The rate of climate change at present is ten to twenty times more rapid than at, say, the PETM of 55 million years ago You’v been skim-reading Wikipedia haven’t you, me ole abuse-merchant? Read more carefully. The science is anything but settled, even according to the Wiki editors, who get their line straight from AGW-central at Langley. No real world data is available to us about climate 55million years ago. Think about it for a moment – how would it be? We don’t even have tree rings or ice cores for that far back. We have a few trace… Read more »

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1. Do you have any data you can source to for the catastrophic disappearance of British insects such as houseflies and wasps?

If global warming isn’t responsible what would be in your view?

Stonky
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Stonky

1. No. But there are endless references online to studies showing a shocking decline in all sorts of British insects. I haven’t been to check any of the original sources, because I tend not to bother when something bears out my own “lived experience” (copyright: Guardianistas) 100%. 2. No idea. I’m not a biologist, zoologist, or entomologist. I just wish we would spend a bit of money trying to find out about the causes of something catastrophic that has already actually happened, instead of spunking billions down the drain worrying about something that might happen in 50 years, by which… Read more »

PSJ
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PSJ

Sources for the 90% collapse in insect numbers? The claim the oceans are “sequestering” the warmth is mere speculation, an attempt to explain away the absence of the expected increase in global temperatures over the past 15 or so years. The warming seems to have stopped you see, while Co2 continues to rise. This of course would falsify the AGW hypothesis if it were to continue. So the proponents of the AGW hypothesis have put forward the idea the warming hasn’t stopped, it’s just that the seas are acting as a kind of heat sink. There’s not much evidence this… Read more »

Mulga Mumblebrain
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Mulga Mumblebrain

As one expects at this denialist redoubt, here comes the usually hard Right omni-denialism one usually sees from the likes of Matt Ridley. The sequestration of heat in the oceans is scientific fact, attested by numerous studies. Do you deny the action of gravity, too? And the collapse of insect populations world-wide has been shown by numerous studies. Do you deny the laws of thermo-dynamics and entropy, too? What drives you creatures?

PSJ
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PSJ

As I believe I said to you previously when you offered a similar example of strange invective, I’m not “hard right”. I’m a (very) ex-Republican who would happily vote for a socialist candidate provided they weren’t wedded to de-humanisation and climate insanity. But we don’t have such people where I live. Or anywhere much really. I don’t “deny” (really beginning to hate the crude politicization of that word by the new generation of Brown Shirts!) there is a decline in insect population. I am pretty sure there is. I was surprised by your figure of “90%” though and would like… Read more »

Mulga Mumblebrain
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Mulga Mumblebrain

It is easy to Google that study of rainforests in Puerto Rico, but your refusal to do so gives the nature of your hard Right omni-denialism away. Just because you find hard Right omnicidal ideology and pathopsychology ‘normal’ does not mean that the non-insane do so too.

Moriartys Left Sock
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Moriartys Left Sock

If the sequestration of heat in the ocean is “scientific fact” and not simply a current theory, please point to where this is claimed as such in any scientific publication.

Mulga Mumblebrain
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Mulga Mumblebrain

The temperatures of the oceans have been measured over many decades, recently by satellite measurements that show thermal expansion of the oceans as well, and by the latest generations of scientific buoys that measure temperature, salinity and other values at various depths. We also have the EVIDENCE of increasingly widespread coral bleaching, algal blooms and mass die-offs of various species. All these are attested in scientific studies and publications too numerous to mention, but denialist fanatics like you cannot name a SINGLE study that refutes these findings. Your crazed mendacity is simply pathological.

Moriartysleftsock
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Moriartysleftsock

Crazed mendacity”? I asked you a simple and polite question for heaven’s sake!

A question you didn’t answer by the way.

To repeat – I have read many studies of ocean data, and many theories on the “missing” heat being soaked up in the deep mid-oceans. I am not aware of any study anywhere that claims these theories are proven fact.

If you do know of such a study, post a link. If you don’t post a link we will all have to assume you have made yet one more extreme claim you simply have no data for.

Mulga Mumblebrain
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Mulga Mumblebrain

Demanding ‘links’ for widely reported science is a favourite denialist sleight of hand. Look it up yourself. Just Google ‘Heat sequestered in the oceans’, and there are numerous studies and copious scientific evidence, but what is that compared to hard Right ideological fanaticism and hatred of Life on Earth?

Mulga Mumblebrain
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Mulga Mumblebrain

PSJ, scientific studies have shown that 150 zettajoules (ie ten to the 21st power) of heat have been sequestered in the oceans over the last 200 years. Only a die-hard Rightwing denialist fanatic would call that ‘..a very small possible increase’, as you do. And it simply ignores the coral bleachings and mass die-offs of life and algal blooms etc, that are the EVIDENCE of oceanic warming, but I confidently expect you to deny that, too.

PSJ
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PSJ

Well, if only “Right ideological fanatics” want to see some data before accepting claims made by anonymous abusive people on the internet then – call me a Right ideological fanatic. Oh wait, I think you already did. Or maybe it was “hard right omnicidal Zionazi cabalist”? Anyhow, I have Googled “heat sequestered in the oceans” as suggested above. I have also read all the scientific papers on the subject I could find in a couple of online libraries I am signed up to (not just today, I have been following the sequestration argument for some time). I have found numerous… Read more »

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If asking for evidence is a cunning ploy of the denialists, the best riposte would seem to be to provide that evidence rather than look as if you don’t have any and are resorting instead to ad hom as a diversion.

Admin
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Admin

We aren’t a denialist redoubt we are a free speech redoubt. Stop sniping at this site and at the people who keep it running 24/7

jdseanjd
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The genocidal war on Yemen is just that: a war for genocide. The US is arming, fueling & guiding the head-choppers to their targets, preferably buses full of school children, hospitals & schools. A main ambition of the 1%s is a vast depopulation, “to save Mother Gaia”. Hence all the MSM fake news wailing about environmental crises & catastrophic man-made global warming, a complete nonsense. Ted Turner, CNN boss is on record as wanting a 95% population reduction: getting rid of 13 of fourteen people alive now. http://www.c3headlines.com & click on Quotes. There are three main planks of the 1%s… Read more »

Ken Kenn
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Ken Kenn

All the above doesn’t surprise me at all. The trouble with Ted’s theory is that if there are fewer humans to exploit – there will be fewer exploiters as well. Perhaps Ted and his ilk are deep down really good guys ( they are always guys ) and he will be willing to share his bowl of stored cornflakes with fellow surviving exploiters after the plan goes wrong. Re: the mass media’s machinations – all medias represent somethings or someones interests. In the US there are anti Chinese capitalists and pro Chinese capitalists – i.e. those with a stake in… Read more »

jdseanjd
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They’ve exported their middle class & working class jobs to China for slave labour rates & thus better profit margins.

This is not capitalism. It’s best described as a form of crony capitalism: ie Fascism.

Mulga Mumblebrain
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Mulga Mumblebrain

You have to be literally insane to deny the ecological Holocaust that is rapidly accelerating. 60% of all animals extirpated since 1970, for a start, and from an already low base. Do you want to deny that? You are, however, correct to expect the Evil elites to practise a great genocide of the ‘useless eaters’. That, I believe, is certain and close at hand.

jdseanjd
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MugBrainMumbling I do admit I’m astonished you have the nouse to admit to the elite depopulation agenda,

JD.

jdseanjd
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“60% of all animals extirpated since 1970” HAHAHAHAHAHAHA.
Name one.
Name 10.
Name 20.
You are a nutcase.
“FROM A LOW BASE” HAHAHAHAHAHAHA.
We are in a healthy warm interglacial period, which started approx 15,000 years ago.
Prior, we were in a deep glacial period, which lasted approx 85,000 years, a pattern which has prevailed for approx 800,000 years as shown by Antarctic & Greenland ice core data.

Your ridiculous ravings are getting most satisfyingly easy to demolish, muttering mugbrain.

John Doran.

Stonky
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Stonky

“You have to be literally insane to deny the ecological Holocaust that is rapidly accelerating. 60% of all animals extirpated since 1970, for a start…” This is absolutely true, but the thing about it is – it has already happened. Therefore it couldn’t possibly be the result of “global warming” or “climate change”, whose impact to date must be barely discernible against the background of natural fluctuations in temperature and climate. So why aren’t we trying to find out what it really is, and doing something about that, rather than bleating about a (possibly imaginary) catastrophe that’s going to hit… Read more »

Fair dinkum.
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Fair dinkum.

We’ve now got Sky news on free to air TV in Australia.
It’s a gabfest of grea$y gargoyles pontificating the putrid worldviews of their high lord and slimy leader, Rupert Murdoch.
Excuse while I throw up.

frank
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frank

You still watch TV? 😉

Mulga Mumblebrain
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Mulga Mumblebrain

I’ve long believed that the Dirty Digger is either Satan himself, or his representative on Earth.

Gezzah Potts
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Gezzah Potts

Fair Dinkum: ha ha ha, absolutely love your line about Sky News: ‘gabfest of grea$y gargoyles pontificating the putrid worldviews…..’. Brilliant. But also how far too the right has Aussie society moved since the imposition of the warped con job, also known as Neoliberalism.

Unaccountable
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Unaccountable

Making things really hopeless is, the spooks seem to have unlimited budgets, and, with the least accountability of any profession. Their budget in the US is part of the annual $700 billion allocated for defense. There is simply no incentive for the spies to behave in the interest of the average person on the planet. They are even rewarded for the damage they make, and they receive more money to even make more damage. Whatever authority politicians have over intelligence services is being eroded steadily. You can see government officials negotiating with the spooks. Horse trading, you do this for… Read more »

Gwyn
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Gwyn

”The Guardian is editorially independent, meaning we set our own agenda. Our journalism is free from commercial bias and not influenced by billionaire owners, politicians or shareholders. No one edits our Editor. No one steers our opinion. This is important because it enables us to give a voice to the voiceless, challenge the powerful and hold them to account. It’s what makes us different to so many others in the media, at a time when factual, honest reporting is critical.” Comedy gold from the spineless government stenographers of the Guardian, who fearlessly and independently print whichever lies they’re told to… Read more »

Gezzah Potts
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Gezzah Potts

Exactly Gwyn. Prime example of a gutless stenographer at The Guardian would be one Luke Harding. I wonder if these ‘people’ even have a conscience? Or is that naivety on my part?

Gwyn
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Gwyn

Nothing resembling a conscience has been detected in these weak-minded little people, as far as I know, Gezzah. Although an inflated sense of their own importance most definitely has been.

The interview with Aaron Maté in which the pathetic Harding flails helplessly as he’s questioned about alleged collusion between Trump and Dr Evil, I mean, Vladimir Putin, is a sight to see. It’s typical of the Guardian to employ such non-entities as Harding, of course.

Mulga Mumblebrain
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Mulga Mumblebrain

Today’s Russophobe rant concerning WADA, by the execrable Marina Hyde, sans Comments, naturally, shews the Fraudian hate-mongering liars in all their sordid glory.

Stonky
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Stonky

Ah, Marina. Or to give her her proper title, Lady Hyde-Your-Aristocratic-Roots-Behind-A-Fake-Name…

Gwyn
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Gwyn

Yes, Mulga, they do like to spread the hate over at the Guardian. I saw a clip of Christina Patterson on Sky News in which they were discussing the Pittsburgh synagogue shooting. Not very surprisingly, she brought up the subject of anti-Semitism in the British Labour Party.

There’s no end to their dirty lies.

Thomas Peterson
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Thomas Peterson

Great that I can come to Off Guardian and get the condensed version. ‘Marina Hyde’ ‘WADA’ is literally all I need to know about that article.

Mulga Mumblebrain
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Mulga Mumblebrain

Apparently Ms Hyde (I wonder who her Jekyll is)wants Russians banned from sport forever. The rantings of the hate-crazed elites and their stooges have long passed the pre-apocalyptic stage. I rather think that Ms. Hyde would welcome war with Russia.

Yarkob
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Yarkob

I don’t think Ms Hyde would know a Russian if they came up and stuffed a Novihoax-soaked sock in her mouth. I would hazard a guess and say that she’s never even met somebody from Russia

Gezzah Potts
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Gezzah Potts

Another excellent article Edward. While reading, kept thinking of such presstitutes as Philip Williams, Michael Rowlands, Tony Jones, and Virginia Trioli, all at ABC here in Aussie. Just reaching for a bucket….. The lies, distortions, and self censorship of the mainstream media has reached Orwellian proportions. But the real evil in all this is how so many have lapped up the propaganda, drunk the Kool Aid, and believe what they hear or read. Mass Groupthink. If you post comments on news media Facebook posts, such is the level of brainwashed conformity, you are accused of being a Russian troll or… Read more »

Gwyn
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Gwyn

Gezzah – I know what you mean about that level of brainwashed conformity. I occasionally post comments at the Guardian which assert that maybe, just maybe, what we read about Putin and Russia every day is part of a propaganda campaign. For this, I’ve been called a ”paid pro-Putin troll.” Very predictable.

Often, though, my comments just get deleted (sometimes with a little message saying they’ve been deleted, sometimes not. Straight down the Memory Hole, in those cases). The Guardian’s little slogan of ”Comment is Free” always raises a wry smile.

Mulga Mumblebrain
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Mulga Mumblebrain

The ABC hate-mongers are particularly, and viciously, Sinophobic. NO story appears anywhere in the Western fakestream media hate-machine concerning China that is not negative, and increasingly hateful, and the ABC is no exception. The undisguised racist dread and fury at China’s rise is pretty much what I have confidently expected for many years, because the various scum considered fit to be propaganda apparatchiki must believe firmly in the superiority of the West and the great White Man and his ‘Judeo-Christian’ genocide cult, over all the lesser races and cultures. That China is rising, inexorably, to a position of eminence in… Read more »

Antonym
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Antonym

Mulga logic:

Australia exports loads of coal and uranium to China: vicious racist nazionists, polluters, $%&*#! etc.

China consumes loads of (Australian) coal and uranium: ecologic forerunners, insects are doing great, best for environment, safe development, Western bias, etc.

Mulga Mumblebrain
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Mulga Mumblebrain

This evening the ABC ‘news’ had a hate rant against China and New Guinea daring to co-operate, without asking the White Bosses’ permission, and a lie-fest, given GREAT prominence and length, where the numbers ‘imprisoned’ in Xinjiang had mysteriously grown from the original lie of ‘one million’, to ‘two million’. It was based on ‘research’ by ASPI, a think-tank financed by Lockheed and Raytheon, among others. The sheer frenzy of the clearly racist hatred is quite amazing, but not at all surprising.

Gezzah Potts
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Gezzah Potts

Mulga: Agree. Agree. Agree. Again. Sigh. I havn’t watched ABC morning news for ages, but totally concur with your summation of the odious Michael Rowlands. Put the cretinous stenographer in the same box as the equally odious Philip Williams. Stopped watching ABC when I found myself yelling F*** F*** F*** at the TV a bit too often. Just the fecken Empire blood soaked Imperialist cheer squad lies and distortions…

Mulga Mumblebrain
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Mulga Mumblebrain

I particularly loathe the sell-outs who adjusted to the Howardisation after 1996, and the recent Murdochisation, like the vile Phillip Adams. Even the Science Show, long the last holdout, disgraced itself two weeks ago with ludicrous propaganda defences of Roundup as ‘good for the environment’, in controlling weeds, and ‘safe’, a very Big Lie indeed. It was only a matter of time.

DunGroanin
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DunGroanin

Nice article. Almost seem to be reading my mind 🎃

The narrative control machine is losing it’s mind. It is being fact checked and instantly rebutted by the sophistication of internet posters.

A very spooky time for the spooky spooks and their masters.

Can they invent a diverting war quickly enough?

vexarb
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“Do you wonder about where the war against Syria went? Has it just gone to sleep…” On the contrary: Syria has repulsed the invasion by NATZO & its Jihadis. Uncle $cam (head of NATZO) wasn’t even invited to an important meeting between Russia and the 3 biggest NATZO members on the Eurasian mainland (Turkey, Germany and France) at Istanbul. Uncle’s silence is understandable, a result of acute embarrassment. Syrian Arab News Agency reports from Ankara: The final statement of the Istanbul summit, which brought together leaders of Russia, Germany, France, and Turkey, _stressed commitment to the territorial integrity of Syria_,… Read more »

vexarb
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PS I know this article says: It’s only a paper moon / Hanging up on a cardboard tree / It’s a Barnum & Bailey world / Just as phoney as it can be ….

But here really is: What France, Germany, Turkey & Russia agreed in Istanbul

https://www.rt.com/news/442449-istanbul-syria-summit-highlights/

1. Only political solution for Syria

2. Start work on constitution in Geneva

3. No to division of Syria

4. Keep ceasefire & destroy terrorists

5. Boost humanitarian aid

6. Help return of refugees

7. Internationally observed elections

[Courtesy of Abu Ali BTL SyrPer, half an hour ago]

frank
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frank

Why do they need a new constitution though?

mark
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mark

That little pipsqueak Jeremy Hunt was blaming Yemen on Russia today. Apparently it’s all Putin’s fault.
The Empire and its various satellites seem to have decided to ditch Bin Salman, with their MSM all singing from the same hymn sheet..
Maybe they just want a more reliable and less uppity satrap as their puppet in Shady Wahabia,
MBS was getting a bit impudent, threatening Canada and trying to buy Russian S400s.
It tends not to end well for US satraps who have outlived their usefulness – Diem, Trujillo, Noriega, Saddam, to name just a few.

deinvestiture
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As for the audience demanding “a say in what’s happening on stage” – merely a resultant of infected minds by massively effective propaganda. Unless the audience recognizes that the script and stage ain’t its, and becomes habituated to ignoring it or destroying it, its better interests can never be served. Ignored and/or destroyed out of existence the question of “Then what?” does arise like a new sun, and all answers proffered to it like fractal beams of light attendant only to it – once again filling man’s hopeful heart with possibilities for his and his neighbor’s spiritual renewal – pregnant… Read more »

Robert Laine
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Thanks Edward and Happy Halloween. In the case of Chile it is telling that, after Allende was elected President, Agustin Edwards (owner of El Mercurio, the largest newspaper) met with Nixon and Kissinger. The CIA had been active in Chile in the early 60s when it was clear that Allende’s Socialist Party was gaining influence, but after the Edwards meeting CIA dollars really started to flow, mainly to fund the trucker strike which crippled the economy. El Mercurio published many articles of fake news after the coup to keep the readers on-side. Fortunately the CIA seems to be too busy… Read more »

MichaelK
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MichaelK

In modern, urban and increasingly electronic, civilization; we are all, to one extent or another, players or performers on a very large, multi-faceted, stage with designated roles within it. In earlier civilizations, which before the modern world emerged, were feudal and extremely rigid and stratified, the roles allotted to different players were clear and obvious; the king, the aristocrats, the clergy, the warrior class, the soldiers, the peasants etc. Up until recently, our form of society looked very different and we called it… ‘democracy.’ Now, interestingly, the broad consensus about the ‘play’ the ‘stage’ and our allotted ‘roles’ in it,… Read more »

tonyopmoc
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tonyopmoc

MichaelK, I like your post, but I think there are several roles / worlds on “essentially our giant stage, what we call ‘society’”, and where your own personal world is, depends on what if anything you are currently doing. The people in this world you meet on a daily basis, talk to, relate to and maybe even work with, are the ones that have a real effect and impression on you. Only a small percentage of people, whether they are working or not, have any real interest or awareness, of what is going on in the world outside their own… Read more »