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The Case that Obama Was a Traitor Just Got Powerful New Evidence — From the DNC!

Filings in Roger Stone case reveal lack of evidence supporting “Russiagate” allegations

Eric Zuesse

Roger Stone on his way to court, June 2019

The case that Obama’s team concocted Russiagate in order to weaken Trump if Trump were to win the Presidency has just received an important admission. The Government has acknowledged that the Obama administration lied to the FISA Court in order to get permission to investigate Trump for possible collusion with Russia.

This information came from the DNC’s own lawyer, to the current U.S. Justice Department, in the case of United States of America v. Roger J. Stone Jr.

In response to Trump operative Roger Stone’s defense effort against Special Counsel Robert Mueller’s charges, the “Government’s Response to Defendant’s Motion to Compel Unredacted Crowdstrike Reports” (available here – choose “txt” if you want to download it) acknowledges that [our emphasis]:

On June 14, 2016, the DNC, via CrowdStrike, publicly announced that it had been hacked by Russian government actors. … [But,] According to counsel [from DNC — this comes from what the DNC has communicated to the U.S. Department of Justice and is now being made public in the “Government’s Response” to Stone’s filing], no redacted information concerned the attribution of the attack to Russian actors.”

And, since all the rest, the unredacted information, likewise didn’t “concern the attribution of the attack to Russian actors” (as everyone now knows after reading the Mueller Report, because it admits this), the Obama Government actually had nothing that could be presented to the FISA Court without lying, in order for the Obama regime to be able to win that Court’s permission to investigate Trump as being a possible Russian agent.

In other words: Obama’s preparation, just in case Trump might defeat Hillary Clinton, included DNC-Clinton campaign fabrication of ‘evidence’ (via the DNC-hired CrowdStrike) to implicate Trump in treason with Russia, so as to get the FISA Court’s okay and then proceed to cripple Trump’s Presidency.

This was an internal U.S. Government war against then-candidate Trump, in order to cripple his Presidency, in the event that Trump might win — as he did.

However, can the previous President be brought up on any criminal charges at all for initiating an action to cripple his successor’s Presidency?

This is a legal question with no precedent other than, perhaps, the Watergate burglary case that — irony of ironies — drove Roger Stone’s own friend and hero Richard Nixon out of office. Perhaps Obama was even worse than that President. (Also ironically, Obama tried even more mightily than Nixon did to empower international corporations as the coming dictatorial government of the entire world.)

Here is the full key paragraph in the Government’s just-released reply to Stone:

FACTUAL BACKGROUND
By May 2016, the Democratic National Committee (“DNC”) and the Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee (“DCCC”) became aware that their computer systems had been compromised by intrusions, and they hired the cybersecurity company CrowdStrike to identify the extent of the intrusions and mitigate the threat.

On June 14, 2016, the DNC, via CrowdStrike, publicly announced that it had been hacked by Russian government actors. See, Washington Post, “D.N.C. Says Russian Hackers Penetrated Its Files, Including Dossier on Donald Trump”, June 14, 2016, available at https://www.nytimes.com/2016/06/15/us/politics/russian-hackers-dnc-trump.html.

At the direction of the DNC and DCCC’s legal counsel, CrowdStrike prepared three draft reports. 1 Copies of these reports were subsequently produced voluntarily to the government by counsel for the DNC and DCCC. 2 At the time of the voluntary production, counsel for the DNC told the government that the redacted material concerned steps taken to remediate the attack and to harden the DNC and DCCC systems against future attack. According to counsel, no redacted information concerned the attribution of the attack to Russian actors.

It, therefore, seems that if House Democrats initiate impeachment against Trump, he will initiate very serious criminal charges — perhaps even an extraordinary case of treason — against Obama, for concocting Russiagate against him.

Consequently, one may reasonably infer that Pelosi and Trump have agreed that there will not be impeachment proceedings, and that there will also not be prosecution against Obama.

However, if Trump does get impeached, then there will be virtually a civil war between Republicans and Democrats, as both cases proceed.

There is no impeachment by the House that would result in a Republican Senate’s replacement of Trump by Pence: defenestration of Trump. Trump would remain as President.

Meanwhile, the case against Obama would be proceeding full force (because the House had impeached him), and the thorough corruption that rules the Democratic Party would then become exposed to the public.

The formation of a new major U.S. political party could then become likelier than at any time since the Republicans replaced the Whigs in 1860.

However, this time around, the cause wouldn’t be slavery, but instead the fact that, in today’s America, it’s only the billionaires who are in control over both Parties.

In other words: the impetus for a third political Party to become financed by one or more billionaires would be the intolerable stranglehold that corruption — control of the Government by the billionaires — has over our country.

We then would have two major political parties plus a third that would then serve as the kingmaker taking bids from each of the other two in order to determine which one to throw its support to. It would be the tie-breaker.

So, the kingmaker-party would be little more than another party controlled by billionaires. They would make deals to determine which one of the other two will rule the country. American ‘democracy’ wouldn’t be fundamentally affected, because it doesn’t exist anyway, except in our schoolbooks, ‘history’ books, ‘news’ reports, and the public speeches by politicians.

It’s all a fraud. And this is why the U.S. regime wants to get rid of people such as Julian Assange.

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Martin Usher
Martin Usher
Jun 21, 2019 5:38 AM

Back in those halcyon days of the Cold War it was “freedom and democracy” opposing totalitarian states with “one party rule”. Those of us who were a little more aware of what politics really meant knew that we had a one party rule in the US — it was always like this, we voted for one or other wing of the national capitalist party. We even had laws — actually we still have laws — prohibiting communists from being involved in politics. In that sense we were just a mirror of the Soviet Union; it was a one party state but within that single party there were also numerous factions and opposing groups (and for all I know there were laws prohibiting political action by parties promoting “freedom and democracy”). These days the fault lines are now really obvious. We still can’t figure out Russia and China’s got us completely… Read more »

Solomon Balas
Solomon Balas
Jun 20, 2019 12:53 PM

Obama had visions of grandeur as a sort of Muslim Communist Messiah. Sought to globalise then control the world through the UN
Plan for Hillary to hold WH till Michelle lets Obama play king

Mucho
Mucho
Jun 20, 2019 11:57 AM

Very interesting Brendon O Connell mini-doc here concerning many of the players in this article

Jim Scott
Jim Scott
Jun 20, 2019 3:05 AM

One of the most striking features of the investigation of the “hacking” of the DNC computer is that the DNC opposed the FBI and CIA inspecting their computer and instead using Crowd Strike to investigate the hacking. This enhances the likelihood that the computer was not hacked at all. Surely the CIA could have insisted that they would carry out their own investigation. This would imply that the CIA was itself part of the conspiracy to blame Russian collusion with Trump for Clinton’s loss. The other aspect of this flawed investigation is that the NSA is tracking all electronic information and could have simply used data they had already collected to prove that the hacking actually took place. Furthermore they had lots of time to check out that the Christopher Steele dirt files compiled for Clinton was full of fake information. This file was used as a reason to open… Read more »

phree
phree
Jun 19, 2019 5:46 PM

Wow, what a stretch. It would make a good novel, though

Frank Speaker
Frank Speaker
Jun 19, 2019 2:56 PM

As political philosopher Sheldon Wolin wrote in his book, already more than 15 years ago, that we in the West are living in a system he termed as ‘Inverted Totalitarianism‘. Articles such as this just cement this truth.

Harry Stotle
Harry Stotle
Jun 19, 2019 10:51 AM

Meanwhile the Guardian would have you a believe a new dawn beckons once the Prez is black or a woman, or, in a few years time, transgender: yet strangely don’t seem to notice when the US call on their right wing allies to kill Venezuelans or Iranians, or when IDF snipers take out children for protesting about apartheid.

If anyone such as Julian Assange tries to alert the public to terrible crimes committed by state actors the Guardian will of course do all they can to discredit legitimate protests.

inLove with MOD
inLove with MOD
Jun 19, 2019 11:26 AM
Reply to  Harry Stotle

The Guardian is steadily turning into a shopfront for …..

“A document shared online by independent journalist Matt Kennard shows that the chairman of the D-Notice board thanked Johnson for being “instrumental in re-establishing links” between the paper and UK military intelligence after the Guardian had its wrists slapped over the revelations.”

“Another document detailing the minutes of a meeting held in the MoD on May 8, 2014, shows Air Vice-Marshal Andrew Vallance reported that the MoD’s relationship with the Guardian had “continued to strengthen” with Johnson on board. This strengthening was due to “regular dialogues” being held with Guardian journalists, the document says.”

https://www.rt.com/uk/462079-guardian-paul-johnson-mod-links/

Jim Scott
Jim Scott
Jun 20, 2019 3:20 AM

I don’t think that the UK or Australia where I live have their own secret service or military. They are simply regional branches of the US Deep State. After Julian Assange was rushed through a court case and jailed without time to construct his defence shows that the judiciary are also implicated in the collusion against our right to know what acts of criminality our governments are involved with.

Harry Stotle
Harry Stotle
Jun 20, 2019 9:26 AM
Reply to  Jim Scott

There is a clear conflict of interest for Judge Arbuthnot – she is ‘married to Lord James Norwich Arbuthnot, a Conservative peer. Lord Arbuthnot was a Tory MP for 28 years and was chair of the Defence Select Committee between 2005 and 2014. He’s also a member of the advisory board of the Royal United Services Institute for Defence and Security Studies (RUSI). And he is chair of the advisory board of the UK division of multinational defence manufacturer Thales. Lord Arbuthnot is also listed as a senior consultant to SC Security. Company records, however, show that Arbuthnot was a former director of SC Security, along with Lord Carlile and Sir John Scarlett, who remain as active directors.’ https://www.thecanary.co/uk/analysis/2019/06/17/assange-judge-refuses-to-step-down-despite-evidence-of-intelligence-and-defence-links/ Apparently the judge does not think these relationships will cloud her judgement but then again her main role seems to be to rubberstamp a political verdict that has already been reached… Read more »

RealPeter
RealPeter
Jun 22, 2019 12:21 PM
Reply to  Harry Stotle

Harry, it’s obvious that the Arbuthnots are not a conflict of interest, but a CONCORDANCE of interest.

DunGroanin
DunGroanin
Jun 19, 2019 4:15 PM
Reply to  Harry Stotle

It would be great if Off- G had a permanently pinned article and space for us to comment on the daily Obsessive Groaniad.

Then we could all see their distortions documented in one place!

Yarkob
Yarkob
Jun 19, 2019 10:36 AM

Isn’t Roger Stone a particular type of human? I’m not a fan, but the doc was fascinating, he’s doing exactly the right thing with the “discovery” part of the court case; forcing evidence into the light that would have stayed hidden..Appallingly badly played by the DNC’s solicitors if they didn’t see that coming..and he does seem to be rocking a look there with those shades. He’s a big Legalise It fan so ok by me in that regard..not that that stops him from being Roger Stone…

Yarkob
Yarkob
Jun 19, 2019 10:19 AM

“If you tell the truth, you don’t have to remember anything.”

Mark Twain

As exciting as this may sound to those patiently awaiting some form of “justice”, remember, as UreKismet alludes to below; we have been here before. On the edge of some kind of accounting. Groundhog day for those paying any kind of attenti0n (<1% of the population if I am feeling optimistic)

Unless the people behind the people we are talking about are removed, they will simply replace the head of the failing Hydra and replace it with a more “acceptable” face. T’was ever thus.

Far be it from me to ever incite any form of violence, but I’m beginning to agree that, sometimes, the ballot box may not be enough

UreKismet
UreKismet
Jun 19, 2019 10:04 AM

Incidentally as vital as the subject in this thread is, I reckon this is the site where Matt Kennard’s revelations (see https://twitter.com/DCKennard/status/1138493594728304640 ) vis a vis Guardian deputy editor Paul Johnson on should be given a good airing.

AFAIAC any fishwrap that has a member of senior staff on the board that decides what ‘must’ be censored cannot claim to be in the news business, it is in the propaganda game.

Francis Lee
Francis Lee
Jun 19, 2019 7:50 AM

We have to ask the question does mankind really want liberty? Are those child-like creatures walking around and staring fixedly into their mobiles fully human? As Orwell noted, ‘it is possible to by selective breeding, to produce a type of homo sapien akin to short-horned cattle.’ Or perhaps like the useless apathetic Elois in H.G.Wells ”Time Machine”.

Jim Scott
Jim Scott
Jun 20, 2019 3:37 AM
Reply to  Francis Lee

An excellent example of where we are heading Francis Lee. Or perhaps where we are being directed

UreKismet
UreKismet
Jun 20, 2019 4:32 AM
Reply to  Jim Scott

Perhaps, but I have much more faith in humanity myself. I’m old enough to remember old ‘commies’ describing myself and others as “long haired wastrels more interested in spearing the bearded clam than taking part in revolution”. I accept there was some truth in that description and I also accept that if I visit one of the remote communities I used to assist I will find young people dedicated to “Fortnite” or whatever.

But I will find others of the same generation keenly hunting and gathering; men & women who use their mobiles to hook up with other like minded people in other Yolgnu and balanda communities who are also dedicated to halting the mindless and ultimately futile resource exploitation that if permitted to finish will leave Oz a giant slag heap populated by far too many to feed, let alone shelter.

Brian harry
Brian harry
Jun 19, 2019 6:21 AM

“If you’ve got nothing to hide, you’ve got nothing to fear”……Joseph Goebbels.

Were he alive today, he may have been referring to the whole of the American government, from the President down, given their propensity to place the interests of Israel ahead of the United States of America, in the name of the almighty dollar.

wardropper
wardropper
Jun 19, 2019 6:09 AM

The will to fix this insanity is entirely lacking among the general public. The media, that other “opium of the masses” have done their job better than their manipulators ever dreamed possible. People are asleep. And they can’t be bothered to wake up, because it takes effort to wake up. It’s actually the very same thing that happens when the very rich give their kids everything they want, while they sometimes ignore the basic human things their kids – like all kids – desperately need: Caring supervision and guidance by good example and encouragement. The result is the same. The kids just can’t be bothered to do anything, because they have never HAD to do anything. They have no practice at it. Then they grow up, and STILL have no practice at it, because they have got used to demanding that society should allow them to continue staying asleep, while… Read more »

Wilmers31
Wilmers31
Jun 19, 2019 6:38 AM
Reply to  wardropper

Many environmental reports suggest that humankind is like locusts, destroying the earth and thus themselves/ourselves.

Regardless of which findings prophecy which demise comes first and rubs out the basics for our existence – our demise is well deserved. As we acknowledged and kowtowed to American leadership and exceptionality, then allowed to be led by a Bill Clinton, a George W. Bush, and an Obama – we deserve all we get.

‘Leader of the free world’, ‘most powerful man on earth’ – my a5se. I wish I could have done anything against that toxic leadership, but I was blinded.

Gezzah Potts
Gezzah Potts
Jun 19, 2019 8:20 AM
Reply to  wardropper

Three letters for you mate: PEP. Profound, Excellent, Poignant comment, and I feel much the same way. At times its like a surreal dream. Or nightmare if you wish. “Now I feel like an alien observing a very odd species of undifferentiated humanoid”. I try and get comfort; a spiritual connectedness from Nature, and inspiration from Taoist and Buddhist ways of being. Humans have become fully enslaved to digital screens, amongst other many distractions. Sad.

Jean Miller
Jean Miller
Jun 19, 2019 9:01 AM
Reply to  wardropper

One of the best assessments I have read ,describing the malaise of our modern times. We find the only way to navigate with joy in our life now, is to avoid all mainstream media , social media, to live as simply and with as much good health as we can. To adore nature, and appreciate her gifts including our pets and our tiny garden. And transcendental meditation too. Anything else leaves us filled with fear and anxiety, or frustrated that we are so powerless now, despite our small gestures to resist the control and madness.

wardropper
wardropper
Jun 19, 2019 10:12 PM
Reply to  Jean Miller

Thank you Jean.
As you say, we do what we can, although it is obvious that many of us wish we could do much more.
We may each have our talents and our limitations, but we can also perhaps say, with Goethe, “Him I love who yearns for the impossible”.

Many great people have actually done what was thought to be impossible in their time, and I am sure that great human beings will continue to stretch the boundaries of all sorts of things until the impossible becomes more possible than it used to be . . .

Perhaps that is even a clue to “the meaning of life” . . .?

wardropper
wardropper
Jun 20, 2019 5:30 PM
Reply to  Jean Miller

Let me just add that I do, like some others here, look in on the mainstream media from time to time, just to assess what I am supposed to think : )
It’s a useful exercise.

JudyJ
JudyJ
Jun 19, 2019 12:17 PM
Reply to  wardropper

As @Gezzah says, ‘PEP’. Coincidentally, as I was walking my two dogs yesterday – in the peace and solitude I so appreciate – I was reflecting on the current state of affairs in so-called ‘developed’ society and the world as a whole. I am in my years of upper middle age and find it soul destroying to encounter young zombified people with the, seemingly, ubiquitous earphones (what are they all listening to??) and no awareness of people or the environment around them; to watch teenagers trashing the new playground opposite my house with litter and roadwork barriers dragged by them from nearby roads (why?); to visit green spaces during school holidays and find them littered with aluminium cans, plastic bottles, sandwich wrappers and empty crisp packets (again, why?) which I do my best to clear up; to live in a world in which it is apparent that anyone under 40… Read more »

Frank Speaker
Frank Speaker
Jun 19, 2019 2:49 PM
Reply to  JudyJ

Very thoughtful, well put.

wardropper
wardropper
Jun 19, 2019 9:27 PM
Reply to  JudyJ

Well, PEP to you too, Judy (and Gezzah), and thank you both for your compassionate confirmation that we are on the same page. Always looking for the light at the end of the tunnel, I am reminded that we shouldn’t forget that there are very compelling philosophic and spiritual avenues to explore, even if some of them enter territory metaphysical enough to scare off some people, and there is definitely hope to be found in some of them – even if some of their methods and conclusions can seem very exotic to many of us who were conventionally educated. Some of them also require a lifetime’s study to fit their ideas into a relevant perspective for modern humanity. After all, for decades it has been fashionable to laugh at anything which smacks of religion, spirit, divine purpose, or soul, but when we look at where the dullness of utter materialism… Read more »

Ramdan
Ramdan
Jun 19, 2019 11:14 PM
Reply to  wardropper

New’ ideas regarding values and wealth have been with us for a long time: look in the major spiritual traditions. And I’m refering to Spiritual traditions NOT religions which have all (to a greater or lesser extent) been corrupted and distorted hence, you have the ‘Holy’ wars done in the name of a guy (Christ) that never ever talk about going to war or violence as means to promote or protect his teachings. Or the manslaughter of Rohingyas by so called “Buddhist monks”, where Buddha most known teachings opens saying “Hatreds never cease through hatred in this world; through love alone they cease. This is an eternal law.” Guided by these spiritual teachings, money has no value, nor does any other material thing beyond what is necessary for living, but definitely not as means to exert power or any other vain pursuit. Major spiritual teachers (Buddha, Christ, Lao-Tsé) taught that… Read more »

wardropper
wardropper
Jun 19, 2019 11:42 PM
Reply to  Ramdan

I certainly agree with much of what you say, Ramdan, and you point to many valid details regarding man’s search for meaning in the universe. Thank you for those references. On a lighter note, perhaps you can’t put new wine into old bottles, but old wine can definitely reveal amazing and unsuspected qualities . . . As you point out, the past is not all bad news, and it is the corrupt interpretation of what Christ and Buddha taught which has led us on our current path of devotion to money and power. I often wonder what most of the people who go to Church on a Sunday are actually thinking while they sit there. Things are not the same as they were a couple of thousand years ago. To my mind, religious tradition and culture have their place, even now, but modern man will be taking retrograde evolutionary steps… Read more »

Ramdan
Ramdan
Jun 20, 2019 12:46 AM
Reply to  wardropper

That’s why I talk of ‘spiritual traditions’ and not of religions. Religions are mostly regarded as outdated or out of touch, mostly based on externalities and have become a ‘ritual’, the travesty of spirituality (“Ritual is the husk of true faith, the beginning of chaos.” Lao Tzu).
Spiritual teachings are about inner truths, and those are atemporal.

..current state of affairs is just the result of years and years of accumulation….and the way you and many more feel is actually good, but Krishnamurthy puts it better:

“It is no measure of health to be well adjusted to a profoundly sick society.”

On a lighter note’, take a look at this movie (Baraka-1992)…very interesting, amazing photograph and music…. wordless..but an image is worth thousand words…

https://youtu.be/heJmw-Dsp0A

wardropper
wardropper
Jun 20, 2019 4:59 PM
Reply to  Ramdan

Thanks for the link, Ramdan, That’s a beautiful thing to watch. I agree with all you say, and I often use that Krishnamurti quote myself! My personal battle with the existence I find myself in is the question of building bridges between what the spirit has taught me (the inner truths you speak of) and what my fellow human beings seem to be looking for, but without the benefit of the guidance I have been fortunate enough to have in my life. The world we live in no longer experiences the connection with spirit which was obviously normal in ancient times, and people have now accustomed themselves to think that their addiction to materialism will do perfectly well instead. Although that saddens me, I cannot bring myself just to say, “Well, lucky me, to have found enlightenment; pity about everybody else . . .” I have been a performing musician… Read more »

Ramdan
Ramdan
Jun 20, 2019 8:41 PM
Reply to  wardropper

Inpatient? Maybe, but you are not alone. Patience is a virtue. This is something we need to learn, to cultivate. How do we let go of the need to change anything. This doesn’t mean not to care but only to do what you have to do, what you feel you have to do not because of a need to change anything but just because it has to be done. Others may find the way, perhaps with our help, but remember, we can only point the way. Each one, have to strive his/herself. Powerless? Not really. Sometimes is just that we want more of what we can do, or that what we do feels like not much. Humility, that’s another virtue. As you so cleverly said, we do what we can. Powerless? Not really: “If you think you are too small to make a difference, try sleeping with a mosquito.” ―… Read more »

wardropper
wardropper
Jun 20, 2019 9:19 PM
Reply to  Ramdan

Thank you again.
Mettā

Gezzah Potts
Gezzah Potts
Jun 20, 2019 7:41 AM
Reply to  Ramdan

Much appreciate your meaningful comments here also Ramdan, and yes, seen Baraka several times. No words needed to describe it – just take it in.

The Thinker
The Thinker
Jun 19, 2019 10:04 PM
Reply to  JudyJ

Hi Judy, I agree with your sentiments and the soul destroying mindlessness that seems inescapable around us. But, I can also say I have seen children taking part in litter picks, caring about the environment, championing projects and positively engage in ways to make communities and our environments better for all. When we see the negative aspects of society constantly and how the new generations have embraced the throw away culture with apparent gumption and the need to own those new gadgets to keep up (in the fear they will fall behind with tech culture and norms) I can also see a tipping point where they turn away from such technologies as they realise that it isolates them from the real world and robs them of vital social spaces, places to be ‘off-line’ and engage the brain in meaningful discourse. There will always be elements of society which fall outside… Read more »

JudyJ
JudyJ
Jun 20, 2019 11:49 AM
Reply to  The Thinker

Thanks, Thinker. It sounds as though you’re experience and knowledge gives you an advantage over my comparatively limited observations of ‘the youth’ of today. It would be nice to think that my generalised assessment is indeed misguided and not representative of the majority of younger people. I certainly wouldn’t mind admitting I am wrong if this is the case!

JudyJ
JudyJ
Jun 20, 2019 11:51 AM
Reply to  JudyJ

Correction: ‘Your’ not ‘you’re’ of course!

mark
mark
Jun 19, 2019 11:15 PM
Reply to  JudyJ

The planet would get on just fine without us. The bees are far more important in the general scheme of things.

wardropper
wardropper
Jun 20, 2019 12:04 AM
Reply to  mark

That’s quite true in a way, Mark, but our burdensome gift of consciousness and self-awareness, which bees do not have, comes, at least to my mind, with a heavy dollop of responsibility. As a musician, I can appreciate, for example, what god-like achievements Beethoven, Bach and Mozart were capable of, and while I love what bee culture achieves in its own way, not one single bee can bestow such gifts upon mankind. A plus in one area seems to mirror a minus in another, assuming we are mostly glad that we are not bees. We really have to learn to recognize, love, and encourage our future Beethovens, because the composers I mentioned took upon themselves that responsibility at no small cost. What they did was go far beyond the requirements of their “job description”, in order to leave us a lasting treasure, but at the moment we treat them as… Read more »

Ramdan
Ramdan
Jun 20, 2019 2:30 AM
Reply to  JudyJ

Young people might seem oblivious to the whole world.They, however, are even worst than older people. Older people at least had time to engage and sort of develop to certain extent social habilities and relations, outside living. Millennials and Z guys have grown fully entangled within a ‘virtual world’. The result is deep, unprocessed suffering.
Another symptom of a growing disease.

https://www.rt.com/news/462211-millennials-suicide-gen-z-economy/

Jim Scott
Jim Scott
Jun 20, 2019 3:49 AM
Reply to  Ramdan

I don’t think that at all. My experience is that many of the young people I know are attending protests and are involved in consstructive community projects. Though there are many who are living hedonistic consumptive lives. I think that it has always been so. It’s almost as though we have two separate species inhabiting the planet.

Ramdan
Ramdan
Jun 20, 2019 2:25 PM
Reply to  Jim Scott

As with everything else, nothing is black or white.
To put it poetically: In this treacherous world nothing is truth nor lies. It all depends on the color of the glasses through which your looking.
More than two species I would say is two different perspectives, different levels of inner wisdom.
Some look at life through the ‘Self’ prism and others look at it through the No-self.

http://www.frontiersin.org/articles/10.3389/fpsyg.2016.00124/full

The Thinker
The Thinker
Jun 19, 2019 9:37 PM
Reply to  wardropper

WarDropper – I can only add that I understand where you are coming from and you are not alone in your thoughts and musings. My ‘third’ eye as I call it opened about a decade ago and I never viewed the world the same again. In some ways, I envy those whose are happily bumbling along within the system as they seem to just get on with life. I do that too, but with an eye that deconstructs and reconstructs the things I am shown, when my gut instinct tells me to question it. That gut instinct (almost a survival tool) in our biology has been slowly stripped out of people and they can no longer question or cast a critical eye over what they are told is the way of the world and this is how you must comply. (Think China Social credit system) You talk about losing the… Read more »

wardropper
wardropper
Jun 19, 2019 9:55 PM
Reply to  The Thinker

Thank you so much, TT. I’m beginning to think there are a surprising number of enlightened thinkers here at offG, whether just by coincidence, or driven here by the failure of almost everything else . . . who knows? But most reassuring. Like the body, the soul requires nourishment, and when I recall what I once read about the Tibetan monks believing that there were people around us who look human, but are not, I feel I have to consider the opposite proposition too: that there are people around us who are “morally” more evolved than the average person. And so, just as we must avoid the former like the plague, we must also seek the latter for all we’re worth and see if we can’t learn from them something of why we are here on this Earth. I am convinced that many people consciously, or unconsciously, really want to… Read more »

Starac
Starac
Jun 20, 2019 1:37 AM
Reply to  wardropper

W,
Good observations. And, ha ha ha. Last sentence was funny.

The Thinker
The Thinker
Jun 20, 2019 7:55 PM
Reply to  wardropper

Hello WD thank you for your response, I pondered it on the bus to work today, observing little acts of kindness along the way. A man who was very immobile with a walker could not get off the bus, all the passengers who were incoming patiently helped him alight safely before getting on and continuing their travels. A Lady knelt down talking to a homeless person, having come out of the supermarket, giving him a sandwich and drink. A bloke asking for directions and a couple animatedly showing him the way. Just small acts, but people’s instinctive need to help as others hurried along in the throng. It is rather whimsical, but I think you will understand what I mean about human kindness and how it changes people in small ways. A few months ago I was given a little tool to remind me about mindfulness and the way we… Read more »

wardropper
wardropper
Jun 20, 2019 9:23 PM
Reply to  The Thinker

One learns a lot here, TT.
Thanks again!

Gezzah Potts
Gezzah Potts
Jun 19, 2019 5:21 AM

Very good, however am still waiting for Mr Hopey Changey pyscho man to appear in court at The Hague for war crimes, mass murder, and the droning of wedding parties, funeral possessions and minors. All in the name of spreading ‘freedom and democracy’ of course. Guess I’ll be waiting until the next Ice Age for that to happen. Like any blood drenched monster from the West ever faces war crimes anyway. How much is Tony Blair now worth? And I hear Obama is raking in a few dollars on the Wall Street speaking circuit. Probably for services rendered.

Brian harry
Brian harry
Jun 19, 2019 6:24 AM
Reply to  Gezzah Potts

Regret1bly, the USA is not a signatory to the International Criminal Court(neither is Israel) Lucky about that huh?

Gezzah Potts
Gezzah Potts
Jun 19, 2019 10:56 AM
Reply to  Brian harry

Hmmm, I forgot about that Brian, thanx for reminder.

Brian harry
Brian harry
Jun 19, 2019 1:08 PM
Reply to  Gezzah Potts

Keeping up with everything is impossible these days….

mark
mark
Jun 19, 2019 11:20 PM
Reply to  Gezzah Potts

Our Tony is worth well north of £100 million.
He has 7 huge mansions (different one to sleep in each night of the week is a must) and a portfolio of over 60 properties. All guarded at public expense. Nothing too good for our Tone.
All well deserved of course – think what a splendid job he did of bringing peace to the Middle East.

Gezzah Potts
Gezzah Potts
Jun 20, 2019 8:04 AM
Reply to  mark

Crime pays then? Wonder how many times he’s been to confession to ‘absolve his sins’. Can this world get any more surreal when you have industrial scale mass murderers raking in millions and living in luxurious mansions and not facing any justice for their many crimes while whistleblowers get thrown in jail, and people merely standing on a street holding up signs (Free Julian Assange) have half a dozen cops descend on them and get arrested also. And much of the ‘freedom loving’ world continues remaining fast asleep. Or just look the other way and pretend they see nothing.

mark
mark
Jun 21, 2019 12:38 AM
Reply to  Gezzah Potts

Well, he’s Save The Children’s “Humanitarian Of The Year.”
Sort of like appointing Adolf Hitler as your goodwill ambassador to Israel.
Or appointing Saudi Arabia chairman of the UN Human Rights and Women’s Rights Committees.

UreKismet
UreKismet
Jun 19, 2019 5:07 AM

If only . . . . of course the scenario of mexican standoff or circular firing squad between rethugs and dems which the writer envisages will never come to pass as the wise heads (for wise read cynically opportunistic) of each half of the american empire party will get together and cut a deal as they always do when a potential mutually destructive issue arises. The last major one I can recall occurred during prez 2000 when George ‘the shrub’ Bush and Al ‘Fibber’ Gore caught each other stuffing ballot boxes, voting the dead and denying African Americans the right to vote. As awful as it was that the shrub won, it is doubtful things would have been much different if The Fibber’ had possessed sufficient nous to ensure ‘Cigar Bill’ stymied the Bush family’s Florida machinations (remember brother Jeb was Florida governor) so if Gore had won the ‘official’… Read more »

Fair dinkum
Fair dinkum
Jun 19, 2019 4:29 AM

When you lay down with Satan.
You get up a PSYCHO.

Wilmers31
Wilmers31
Jun 20, 2019 6:17 AM
Reply to  Fair dinkum

Today’s President is tomorrow’s postage stamp.

mark
mark
Jun 19, 2019 3:42 AM

Republicans and Democrats in the US.
Tories and Labour in the UK.
Just two cheeks of the same arse.
Two rattlesnakes fighting in a pit.
Two scorpions fighting in a bottle.
Who cares? What difference does it make to anyone but them?
Arrogant, corrupt, venal, delusional, ignorant, degenerate low life.

Brian harry
Brian harry
Jun 19, 2019 6:27 AM
Reply to  mark

“Two cheeks of the same arse”……Brilliant!

Wilmers31
Wilmers31
Jun 19, 2019 6:41 AM
Reply to  mark

They told us soooo often that the one party-state was despiccable. They brought us the two-party-state and you are not content?

SharonM
SharonM
Jun 19, 2019 2:06 AM

The crimes of the U.S. government are sooooo vast that I just can’t get past a simple, “uh huh”, after reading this article. Treason in this regime? This regime. The one that has been slaughtering innocent masses all around the world for decades. All of it freely voted for by over half the eligible voters. My country has half of it’s voters voting for two war parties. One war party leader is undermined by another war party leader. Okay? I can’t even fake concern.

axisofoil
axisofoil
Jun 19, 2019 1:34 AM

“It’s all a fraud”……..says is all.