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Guardian Deletes Open Letter Defending Chris Williamson Document signed by noteworthy Jewish artists and intellectuals removed “pending investigation”

Yesterday the Guardian published an Open Letter from over 100 prominent Jewish academics, artists and members of the Labour party. As of now, the letter is gone. It was removed “pending investigation”:

There has been (as yet) no explanation of what that means, or what could be being “investigated”. We read The Guardian all the time (Not for fun, it would be hard to run the website without doing so), and have never seen this happen before.

One could assume this is a response to some external force. If not a direct request, then certainly perhaps some gentle pressure. Whether that might come from senior members of the Labour party (such as Tom Watson, named in the letter), a civil servant (or other Deep State voice), or some other unknown person is impossible to know.

UPDATE: The Board of Deputies of British Jews apparently formally complained to the Guardian regarding their “mishandling” of the letter. It was covered in the Jewish Chronicle and the Huffington Post.

Either way, the letter is gone.

Of course, it’s peculiar that this particular open letter had to sent in to them anyway, since The Graun usually like to advertise the views of Noam Chomsky. At least, as long as he’s criticising the government of Venezuela, or critiqueing the BDS movement.

When he’s deploring the US-backed coup in Venezuela, or dismissing the Russiagate accusations as “a bad joke”, he tends to get less publicity.

Funny that.

Perhaps more important than the presence of Chomsky’s name, or that of Norman Finkelstein, is the sheer number of CLP’s represented by the other signatories.

Well over a hundred Jewish Labour members, representing dozens of CLPs, all completely at odds with the Parliamentary Labour Party on this issue. For years this rift – between the MPs and their members – has been obvious. It seems to get wider all the time.

You see Tom Watson et al. accusing Labour members of “bullying” MPs by calling for de-selection. None of the MPs who defected to the absurd Change UK (or whatever their current name is) faced a by-election – which means several CLPs, and thousands of loyal Labour voters, have had their votes and MPs stolen from them. The Blairite wing of the PLP, spearheaded by Watson and his cabal of climbers, have not said a word about this.

When a general election comes, this will be an issue to watch.

It is an encouraging sign for those of us who try hard to spread the truth, at least. Because it means the totally created “antisemitism crisis” is being seen for what it is by a good portion of Labour members. Just another example of ordinary people, in the real world, clashing with the media bubble.

Returning to the letter, it’s actually hard to see why they would bother censoring it, yes it is counter to the establishment narrative, but it is hardly extreme. You could almost call deleting it a desperate thing to do. A move which shows the insecurity of their position.

Whatever the eventually announced excuse reason is for removing the letter, it is certainly the wrong thing to do, and not just ethically. The Streisand effect exists. Removing the letter simply calls attention to it, far smarter to just let it rot on the back pages of the internet.

For posterity, here is a link to the archived version of the letter, and screengrab for thoroughness’ sake (an in case they manage to wipe the archive):

We have also reproduced the entire article here.

Because publishing things The Guardian wants censored is what we do.

    Questions raised:

  • What could be being “investigated” with regards to this letter? Its authenticity? It’s spelling and grammar?
  • Who has the power/influence to have this letter removed?
  • Are we about to see Chomsky and Finkelstein dismissed as “the wrong kind of jew”?
  • How long can the Labour continue with the CLP and PLP at war?
  • What poor Guardian intern is going to get fired for publishing this letter in the first place?

Kit Knightly is co-editor of OffGuardian. The Guardian banned him from commenting. Twice. He used to write for fun, but now he's forced to out of a near-permanent sense of outrage.

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Ghost Ship
Ghost Ship

Just when I thought The Guardian couldn’t sink any lower, the go and publish a letter by “Jewish figures” railing against Labour’s handling of antisemitism charges. No mention of the letter signed by Chomsky that was deleted. This seems to be the Guardian propagandising on behalf of those accusing Labour of anti-semitism and seems to be trying to distract from the letter that was deleted..

Harry Stotle
Harry Stotle

The irony is the Panorama program illustrated how non-existant Labour’s ‘antisemitism problem’ is, assuming this is the best evidence that could be mustered after such a long and tortuous campaign.

First of all it is abundantly clear there are dark forces out to hurt Corbyn – the hour devoted to prime-time telly (on the Beeb no less) was thus a golden opportunity for his accusers to finally prove, once and for all, that the likes of Williamson, Walker, Wadsworth, Winstanley, Livingstone, and of course Corbyn himself really are the bigoted monsters regularly portrayed by Jonathan Freedland and Nick Cohen (amongst others in the MSM) and by Jess Phillips, Tom Watson, Margaret Hodge, and other MPs with divided loyalties to two states in Labour.

So what was the best Ware could muster?
Doctered e-mails, dubious accusations from pro-Israeli activists (one who boasted about assaulting Jackie Walker) and unbalanced reporting about contested disputes at constituency level – in other words almost zero proof at all.
Its what we suspected all along: a poker game in which a player with a terrible hand continues to bluff in the hope that the opponent will back down because the stakes are so increrdibly high.

In the meantime Watson has gone on the attack against a colleague undergoing gruelling chemotherapy because she is not working hard enough and for doubting that the kind of evidence unearthed by Ware is sufficient to ruin reputations or have them kicked out of the Labour party (as the current antisemitism orthodoxy now demands).

mark
mark

Is there anyone in Labour more loathsome and contemptible than Friend of Mossad Tom “I Am A Proud Zionist” Watson?
Admittedly, with critters like Hodge and Phillips around he has some strong competition, but he gets the trophy.

Vote Labour in a few weeks time when Bojo screws up Brexit, and that’s what you get – not Jezza.

Dissidents_unit
Dissidents_unit

Mark, agreed. I though Steve Bell’s cartoon banned by the Guardian portrayed Watson beautifully. He is a witch-hunter dedicated to doing what his paymasters the Israeli Embassy tell him to do which is to bring down Corbyn. I laughed out loud when I saw the cartoons. Interesting that the Guardian banned it isn’t it?

harry law
harry law

What hypocrites these Blairite politicians are……
New Labour used anti-semitic Posters as propaganda now complain the party has a Anti Semitic problem.
Jeremy Corbyn fight against Anti semitism is a battle royal especially when the people claiming he is not doing enough are the same people that used Anti-semitic propaganda in their campaigns normalising this aberrant behaviour the BLAIRITES…
2005 not one eyelid batted by Hodge..
After all it’s her old pall Campbell behind it.
In order to test the Labour right-wingers’ sincerity about anti-Semitism, it’s worth looking into how many of them made vociferous public complaints in 2005 when Tony Blair’s spin doctor Alistair Campbell masterminded grotesque political attack posters depicting the Jewish Tory leader Michael Howard as a Fagin character and as a pig.
None of them!
Not a single one of them took umbrage at Campbell’s foul-mouthed and dismissive “[email protected]%k off and cover something important you twats” rant at the BBC journalists who exposed his anti-Semitism.
Right-wing Labour MP Louise Ellman for example dismissed the Fagin/pig poster scandal by saying “I do not think it is deliberately anti-Semitic”.
Does anyone seriously think Ellman would calmly dismiss the incident as some kind of “not deliberately anti-Semitic” accidental cock-up had a member of Jeremy Corbyn’s inner circle actually masterminded posters depicting a Jewish person as a pig and a Fagin character? Of course she wouldn’t have, she’d be howling outrage to the press about it if such a thing had happened (and legitimately so). https://nyebevannews.co.uk/campbells-new-labour-campaign-against-the-welsh-jew-micheal-howard-proves-hes-in-no-position-to-point-the-finger-on-antisemitism/

mark
mark

Expect more endless kvetching and oy veying from the Chosen Folk.

Question This
Question This

It is incredibly alarming the level ‘liberals’ will go to corrupt democracy. regardless of your political affiliations, you have to be seriously concerned about the future, just look at how blatantly totalitarian they are becoming.

Brexit, russia gate, skripals, antisemitism etc etc.

I say liberals, but they are anything but, you get the far left & alt right, but nothing seems worse than the extreme center that has hijacked society! But how do you stop them when the system is so utterly corrupt by them?

Harry Stotle
Harry Stotle

Yes its bizarre the way the media and nominally left-of-centre parties have been colonised by these pretenders – the sort who in their actions are pro-war, pro-austerity, and pro-establishment while all the time hiding behind the rhetoric of identity politics to pretend that they aren’t.

Torturing whistleblowers – no problem.
Turning a blind eye to Palestine – consider it done.
Backing US imperialism to the hilt – natch.
Using fake-news as a massive smokescreen – its what we do best.

Question This
Question This

That pretty much sums up your modern day liberal, a ‘hypocrite’, where right is wrong, up is down & all their values are back to front. Liberals it seems are dishonest to the core & the masses are just waking up to the fact, hopefully not to late.

timfrom
timfrom

Kit

“What poor Guardian intern is going to get fired for publishing this letter in the first place?”

Just what I was thinking. Same goes for whoever approved for publication the Dawn Foster take-down of Tom Watson which miraculously appeared in that same print edition of The Graun (8 April), copies of which might be worth holding on to, though I can’t be bothered to find out if they’re changing hands for small fortunes in politico-geek circles.

I guess it’s July and therefore holiday season and when the cat’s away, the interns will wreak merry havoc!

Don’t go gently…

Rhisiart Gwilym
Rhisiart Gwilym

Dyl Thomas original sounds better poetry: “Do not go gentle…”

timfrom
timfrom

You are of course quite correct, Rhisiart. I’m happy to defer to a Welshman on the subject of Dylan Thomas! Misremembered quote. My bad…

Yarkob
Yarkob

Firstly, a vote of thanks and compassionate concern for this: “We read The Guardian all the time (Not for fun, it would be hard to run the website without doing so)”

Secondly, I’d be amazed if this: “Whatever the eventually announced excuse reason is for removing the letter,” ever appears

Robbobbobin
Robbobbobin

“I’d be amazed if this: “Whatever the eventually announced excuse reason is for removing the letter,” ever appears”

What it says now:

A letter was removed from this page on 9 July 2019 due to errors in the list of signatories provided. We were contacted by an organisation which had not agreed to sign the letter; the organisers of the letter also acknowledge that there were other inaccuracies in the list of signatories.

One wonders if the Guardian will republish if the organisers of the letter redo the list of signatories with the original objectors and any other such or separate ‘inaccuracies’ corrected; as it was apparently an organisation which objected, if there was internal confusion (read ‘sabotage’) within that organisation for the purposes of (and why the Guardian did not just publish a correction with an apology); to what extent is the phrase ‘we were contacted’ an absolutely accurate, sequential rendering of the circumstances; etc.

Because, left as is, it potentially impugns by omission or by association any specific individual or everyone generally involved with the letter, according to the reader’s predisposition, from the organisers to the signatories (“oh, he/she was mixed up in that dodgy letter affair”) and I assume that nobody can conceive of a situation wherein the Guardian would tolerate that…

Yarkob
Yarkob

Thanks for this Robbobbobin..I haven’t yet stomached today’s issue. Not even eatedn yet. Too early for GraunWorld

There’s a distinct lack of coverage of the Epstein Mossad child-abuse sting farm being uncovered..I can’t help feeling Darroch had something to do with that, and the knowledge of what was coming (Epstein sold the Lolita Express barely a month ago) and the knowledge of an impending election over here.

The stakes couldn’t be higher right now, and, as always, the graun will be there with a handy “what does it all mean” (what do we want you to think) …

I have extra boxes of popcorn in-house for the show

Very OT, but what about these studies? Someone will be along to tell us the two sets of scientists are part of a big oil conspiracy..ho hum : https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2019-07-11/scientists-finland-japan-man-made-climate-change-doesnt-exist-practice

Robbobbobin
Robbobbobin

Another point, which I forgot to mention while first replying, is that all of the signatories are, of course, individuals and, as far as I’m aware, none are subject to collective government ministerial responsibility, nor have any described themselves in the “PROFESSION/CLP” column as official spokespersons for any of the organisations that some of them have appended to their names (e.g. Queen’s University, Princeton University, the University of Bristol, etc). Nor would any reasonable reader or editor at the Guardian’s level of social insight, assume that any of them were signing as such spokespersons. Yet the Guardian’s attempted self-exoneration clearly states that they

…were contacted by an organisation which had not agreed to sign the letter…

So are we to assume that at least one of mentioned organisations or CLPs effectively assumes a collective ministerial responsibility enforcement or no-platforming position over the individual conscience of its members, associates or employees, assuming their signature is it’s? If so, infraction of that unstated rule is surely something to be taken up internally between the said member and the said organisation, and thence possibly open to the publication of a short, personal retraction, or disassociation and apology from, the culprit, but can the underlying validity of such a gagging imposition reasonably be one for a serious news and opinion organisation to accept, apparently instantly, at face value, or determine without a far more transparent investigation than so far reported or–more insidiously–take as the basis for proceeding to a general takedown of an already-published item representing the freedom of expression of scores of other individuals and organisations connected only by shared opinion, accompanied by vague insinuations of impropiety directed at an unspecified one, all or some of them, be anything but the methodology of the gutter press?

mark
mark

ZOG and its BBC propaganda mouthpiece are going into overdrive in the Anti Jezza Smear Campaign.
This will be ratcheted up further in coming days.
The Jew Fifth Column in Labour will almost certainly stage their third assassination attempt shortly.
They have been gearing up for this with assorted Jew peers like Lord Cash For Peerages Levy spewing out their poison.
One of their stooges like Watson or Benn will front another move to get rid of him.
It will probably be some Talmudic manipulation of party rules rather than the No Confidence vote they’ve tried twice before.
This has to be their priority over the next few weeks before the 31 October deadline.
Bojo will screw up Brexit and there’s a strong likelihood of a General Election shortly afterwards.
If Farage capitalises on Bojo’s screw ups, the Tories could be hammered with Labour emerging as the largest party, though anything could happen.
They want to destroy Jezza and Labour before then.
The best outcome would be if all the Fifth Column like Levy, Watson, Ellman and all the rest joined Berger, Austin, Chuka and Co. cleared out and formed their own party. They could call it the Israel Party or the Talmud Party or the Mossad Party if they want. They could call it the Fried Chicken Party if they want. Just so long as they don’t call it Labour.

Yarkob
Yarkob

don’t you think they’ve kind of shot their wad with Jezza now? I mean even reasonable people have seen through the AmDram Panorama weirdness..people at work were saying how fake and bizarre it all was, even for the BBC….It would suit them better to undermine his support now..

Perhaps an allegation of historical child abuse against someone close to him..That’s an oft-used MO by the ZioNazis, and very topical right now

mark
mark

It doesn’t matter if it’s obviously untrue.
It will be endlessly repeated and pushed relentlessly through the MSM.
Like Skripal, Iraqi WMD, Russiagate, Iran’s “nuclear weapons programme”, Syria Gas Hoaxes, Gaddafi’s Viagra rape gangs, Serbian genocide, and an endless catalogue of similar false flags, hoaxes, lies and fairy stories that have now been written into the official narrative and the history books.
Facts, evidence and objective reality don’t matter any more.
As far as the MSM, Deep State, political establishment, and the Labour Party are concerned, Labour is “institutionally anti semitic.” Corbyn is anti semitic. The Party is riddled with anti Semitism, and this is one of the most pressing political issues in the UK today. Like Putin ordered the murder of Skripal. Like he rigged the US Elections, Brexit, and every other election on the planet over the past 5 years at least. Like Iran is producing nuclear weapons. Like Assad gasses his own people for the fun of it. Like a hundred other things. It’s not a case of believing 6 impossible things before breakfast, but 106.
Jezza is a communist spy, Jezza is a terrorist, Jezza is anti semitic, Jezza cheats at cards, kicks is dog and uses non organic fertiliser down his allotment. This isn’t going to stop. It has been going on for decades.
That’s why you can’t take anything at face value any more. It is clear we have been lied to about everything for decades and longer. Most of what we have been told is simply untrue.
Around 1800, the British government put out stories that Napoleon Bonaparte only had one testicle. The same story was put out about Hitler in 1939.
During WW1, the British government circulated stories that the Germans were making soap out of human bodies. The same stories were circulated during WW2, with the addition of bodies being turned into lamp shades. Just like the Iraq Incubator Babies.
We have been lied to about everything. We have been lied to for ever. That’s why I now have serious doubts about everything else that forms part of the historical narrative. Everything. Like the holocaust. Did that actually happen? Can those accounts be believed any longer? Why wouldn’t they lie about that too? Is that the one occasion they ever told us the truth?

Dissidents_unit
Dissidents_unit

Mark, wholeheartedly agree with your blog. However, like Yarkob, I see a glimmer of hope actually, despite all the lies, the mass propaganda, the corruption of democracy, of the MSM and of the BBC, I don’t know whether they have much more they can throw at Corbyn. On the plus side, the more they throw at him the more it seems, people are looking at the Labour Party Manifesto. In the circumstances, the Labour vote is holding up incredibly well. All they have is same old same old same old anti-Semitism BS, regurgitated by the MPs who are Friends of Israel in Parliament. What I am witnessing is that there is now a level of outright desperation amongst the Israeli perpetrators of anti-Corbyn propaganda and the likes of Tom Watson and Margaret Hodge. Their campaign isn’t working and they haven’t got much else to throw now.

Tom Watson and Margaret Hodge are not Labour MPs who have the good of the nation at heart they represent Israel and Israel’s interests only, they don’t give a damn about the UK. They all stood under the Labour Manifesto at the last General Election and significantly increased their share of the vote as a result. They don’t seem to understand that we, the nation, want a Corbyn led Government with a truly transformative manifesto that will redistribute wealth, see significant investment in the economy, in jobs, in a proper Brexit Deal that will benefit this country, of a properly functioning health service, of cheap, affordable transport and housing and so on and so forth. This anti-Semitism BS is an insane, delusional campaign. Watson and Hodge and others have no right standing for re-election under the Labour Manifesto.

Gwyn
Gwyn

Move over, Mrs Brown’s Boys, there’s a new BBC comedy on the block – Panorama.

Last night’s episode had me smiling all the way through at its absurdist humour. I thought the actors playing the fresh-faced youngsters with wobbly lower lips were particularly funny.

Yarkob
Yarkob

the eyebrows of one and the pupils of another on there had me doing a double-take..totally surreal episode..and it has stiff competition from the Skripal and a couple of Syria episodes..

Harry Stotle
Harry Stotle

Jesus fucking christ – currently closed for comments but even if opened what would be the point in countering the endless flaws in the BBC hit-piece since even the mildest rebuke would instantly find its way into the memory hole.
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/jul/11/bbc-panorama-antisemitism-labour-racism-jeremy-corbyn

If I had to say what is the irreducible explanation for the McCarthyism gripping Labour, it’s simply this.

NuLabour, as an unconstituted neoliberal entity, always had leaders that felt no qualms about aligning themselves with right wing governments; so Blair was strongly pro-Israel, Broon was strongly pro-Israel,
and Milibore was strongly pro-Israel.

Corbyn, wasn’t, Corbyn committed the heinous crime of expressing solidarity with Palestine.
One can almost imagine Ed sitting Jeremy down after the leadership succession then saying to him – look old horse, supporting Palestine might be the right thing to do morally, do but it can only end in tears, you do know that, don’t you?

Ken Kenn
Ken Kenn

This would be the MSM which had ED Milliband – a Jewish person ( I don’t know whether he is a practicing Jew?) being forced into eating a bacon sandwich for the benefit of the right on media and the electorate.

You know – the electorate who supposedly care about this matter – they don’t but that’s not the point.

Add to this outright offence against Milliband that his Commie dad ( definitely the ‘ wrong type of Jew’ ) was described by the right wing press as a traitor to his country.

The very same journalists who didn’t say a word at the time about that anti- semitism are now howling with fake rage.

The Labour Party under McNichol never had any antisemitism from 2011 until 2016 so they say but strangely as soon a Corbyn becomes leader it becomes rife.

All racism is bad in my book but I fail to see why anti- semitic racism is raised to the top of the anti racist pile over and above every other form of racism or religious persecution.

The answer must be something else post 2016.

That answer is fear of a Corbyn government and the different politics it would bring with it.

It animates the MSM – the BBC – the Israeli government and of course the US State.

Within the latter State are individuals who believe that Armageddon will occur in Israel and that all Jews will repent and become Christians and thereby everyone will go to heaven in blazing Chariots.

Now – you don’t get any more anti semetic than that.

Ask Bannon – Trump and Pompeo.

mark
mark

Some people have pointed out that if there is a weight limit on The Rapture, all three will be left behind.

Ken Kenn
Ken Kenn

There seems to be quite a lot of The Chosen Few these days.

Haltonbrat
Haltonbrat

And Friedland in this article says:
“But a statutory investigation by the Equality and Human Rights Commission is under way, which has much, much more information. No doubt, when the time comes, there’ll be an effort to cast the EHRC as biased and Blairite, but it won’t wash. ”

Biassed? Am I not correct in thinking that the leaders of the EHRC are both Jewish? Seem to have read that in the Jewish Chronicle.

Dissidents_unit
Dissidents_unit

Haltonbrat, you are correct that the Head of the EHRC is Jewish and one of his Deputies is. The Deputy has allegedly recused herself from the Investigation because something like this anyway, prior to her appointment to it she had e-mailed or tweeted “It is good to see someone who is Jewish at the Head of the EHRC”. David Isaacs Jewish also. Allegedly, he has also stepped aside from the Investigation because of the conflict of interests. If you want to know more, the story broke in The Morning Star and is covered quite in-depth on The Canary Uk online newspaper.

What I find curious and interesting is the absolute certainty with which Friedland makes his statement and appears to know that the conclusion will not be in Labour’s favour. Makes you wonder doesn’t it? I for one am sick and tired of the Israeli Government, the Israeli Embassy and the MPs who are Friends of Israel interfering in our democratic parliamentary process, attempting to dictate our Foreign Policy, attempt to bring down Labour MPs who they do not like or who are critical of Israel’s massacre of Palestinians. The UN are vocally critical of Israel and have passed various Statutes or whatever they do, they are not deemed to be anti-Semitic (except by Nuttyahoo of course). That allegations seems only to be levelled at Corbyn and the Labour Party.

Tim Jenkins
Tim Jenkins

There you have it folks, printed in black & white, (lol),
the Guardian admits its’ own nature, (above the line)

“… A MASTER OF LOW_LIFE DIALOGUE “

🙂

Harry Stotle
Harry Stotle

Oh look – another snake from the Panorama ‘documentary’ that has been found out (from 8:08).

The poor young lad who suffered terrible antisemitism at the hands of Corbyn’s Labour just happened to be present when Joan ‘lets call it a million’ Ryan was tying up a deal with Shai Masot.

Ella Rose pops up at 0:25 dissing Jackie Walker.

Ducking stool crimes, all, according to Tom Watson.

Gezzah Potts

Stomach churning, jaw dropping…. just complete slimebags. Why don’t they all just buy a one way ticket and go live in their beloved Israel. Thugs for apartheid. Thanks for the video link.

harry law
harry law

Just how cruel and bigoted the Labour party are to their Jewish members was perfectly illustrated at the start of the Panorama programme last night. Opening the programme was an almost tearful young lady complaining about Anti-semitism in the Labour party.
Little did anyone know, and the shows producers never told us, was that Ella Rose [the tearful girl] was a former Director of the Jewish Labour Movement [JLM], now its equalities officer and that she knew Shai Masot [the spy in the Israeli Embassy really well] and she worked with him when she was public relations officer at the Israeli Embassy, she said that the JLM brought an Israeli Embassy delegation to the Labour party conference. Well well well. https://electronicintifada.net/blogs/asa-winstanley/jewish-labour-movement-worked-israeli-embassy-spy

Harry Stotle
Harry Stotle

Ware had a full hour to set out his stall so I assumed the program would finally present introvertible evidence such as Corbyn dressed up in a Nazi uniform (like half of the tory party) or Chris Williamson meeting with right wing extremists in the EU (like half of the tory party) but such a moment never came.

Instead we had comprised accusers making vague allegations without the former Sun journalist offering Labour spokespersons any right to counter the nature or veracity of what was being claimed such as ‘I suffered a lot of antisemitism’, and ‘someone screamed at me’ (perhaps because the duplicitous Rose had been rumbled by a Labour activist?)

Needless to say the Guardian are today furiously deleting any poster BTL who does not buy into the pro-Israeli with-hunt, hook, line and sinker.

A basic tenet of justice is that all parties are permited to explain their version of events but the new McCarthyism dispenses with such niceties – after all what counts for more, age old legal concepts, like balance or fair play or the crocodile tears of hardened propagandists, especially if those tears are shed by a distressed young woman?

mark
mark

There’s a sequel being planned now on the gas chamber Jezza has been nuilding on his allotment.

George
George

This reeks of that business with the 38 Degree petition which upset poor little Laura Kuenssberg with all the nasty misogynist abuse she was receiving – and which was never verified. And don’t forget dear little Dame Margaret Hodge who only swore at Corbyn’s face before being (briefly) suspended only to be let off and who then said that while waiting for the verdict she felt “like a Jew in Nazi Germany”. Isn’t there something ludicrously bourgeois about these gentle middle class folk suffering from all this (alleged) uncouth behaviour?

Steve Hayes

A comparison of the BBC’s Panorama “Is Labour anti-semitic?” and Al Jazeera’s “The Lobby” would clearly reveal the fact that the BBC is a propaganda organisation, promoting disinformation.

Tim Jenkins
Tim Jenkins

If I were Lord Justice Leveson, (after being maliciously & disrespectfully censored & closed down by disMAY and her not so civil service), a sense of civil duty, to inform all of the magnitude & scale of outrage in public disinformation and media ‘trends’, would prevail …

George
George

I didn’t watch the Panorama shite last night but I see they are going for the mental health issue in a big way:

https://www.politicshome.com/news/uk/political-parties/labour-party/news/105223/labour-goes-war-bbc-over-panorama-probe-anti

And the Beeb’s attitude (as if you didn’t know) is to back up their “findings” to the hilt:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-48929244

The key sentence from the Kuenssberg creature is this:

“Panorama discovered there was backlog of 1,000 anti-Semitism allegations this spring, with only 15 people having been expelled.”

The word “allegations” is completely overlooked here. The implication is that these thousand complaints were supposed to be taken at face value and the Labour party was automatically supposed to carry out a pogrom on its members.

And this is why I never watch the BBC – or indeed any TV station. I go straight to the net.

mark
mark

Looks like arch Zionist and Israel apologist Ware has been raking in the shekels again for his Panorama hit job.

That’s what your licence fee is paying for, folks.

Gezzah Potts

And that’s why I don’t watch the Australian equivalent here (Four Corners on ABC) or in fact any TV period. Brain-dead banal bumfluff for the indoctrinated masses. Okay, I occasionally flick thru a Murdoch rag while waiting for a coffee or read the World headlines on ABC when I get up in the morning, but apart from those, don’t look at or read mainstream media. Actual stories, I go to various independent sites online.

Maggie
Maggie

WOW! Take a look at this man Ken o’Keefe. Who really calls a spade a spade.
I cannot believe that one man can speak such truth.

mark
mark

Ken was on the Gaza Aid Flotilla when Zionist thugs seized the ships and murdered several of the people on board. He has put his life on the line before now.
The Zionist got their 30 shekel whores to ban Press TV in the UK.
The UK government has just held a big jamboree in support of “international press freedom,” a few miles away from Julian Assange’s jail cell.

Francis Lee
Francis Lee

To quote Finkelstein’s book ‘Gaza’.

”On 31st May 2010 a humanitrian flotilla en route to Gaza carrying 700 passengers/crew came under attack in international waters by Israeli commandos. The flotilla’s 6 vessels were delivering ten thousand tons of badly needed supplies to Gaza’s beleaguered population. By the end of the Israeli assault in the middle of the night nine passengers aboard the flagship Mavi Marmara had been shot to death…

If Operation Cast Lead was a turning point in the attitude of the world against us ‘ the redoubtable Gideon Levy of Haaretz rued, ” is this operation is the second horror film of the apparently ongoing series.’ Still, ever the PR maestro Israel managed to spin the comomandos as the victims of the attack…

”’Our soldiers were beaten’ Nobel Peace Prize laureate Israel PM Shimon Peres solemnly intones … ”Just because you didn’t want to ill anyone … You fought morally and showed valour in your acts” he told the commandos. ”I salute you and admire your courage and restraint even in the face of danger to your own lives.”

Yes it takes real guts when some ‘terrorist’ is coming at you with a kitchen fork and all you have to defend yourself is an assault rifle.

To continue.

”Some 90% of Israeli Jews supported the decision to stop the flotilla and believed that Israel had used the right amount of force or not enough whilst only 16% supported and end to the siege of Gaza. One of the commandos responsible for killing multiple passangers was reportedly in line for a medal of valor while deputy PM exhorted Israeli defence minister Ehud Barak to award medals to all the commandos: ‘The warriors (sic) courage is exemplary and they deserve a citation.”

Quoted in ‘Gaza: An Inquest Into Its Martyrdom. Norman G. Finkelstein.

Another day another massacre in the IDF.

Rhisiart Gwilym
Rhisiart Gwilym

I keep making these rather wan pleas for the Rectification of Names (qv). In this instance I’m calling for what is deceitfully called the IDF to be called by its right name(s). I prefer the zOF: the zionistan Offence Force. You might prefer another variant. But at least devise a label that calls it honestly what it is: a cowardly – and actually not very effective against serious military opponents – bunch of racist thugs tormenting and killing unarmed and virtually helpless people, in propagation of the vile, racist, nazi (sic!), apartheid doctrine of zionism.

There you are, gotcha-creeps some years ahead! Prime anti-semitic poison from an obviously fascist loony (not and not) for you to quote dishonestly, out of context, and shorn of key parts of the text. Be my effin’ guest!

Tim Jenkins
Tim Jenkins

Probably worth reminding ourselves at this juncture, that Joe MEADORS has also been highly active in said Flottilas to Gaza, including being arrested & detained by the IDF for no legitimate reason, other than the pro-active intimidation of a US citizen, again recently:-
of course, the mainstream media immoral censorship of Brave ole’ Joe and his plight for people to see the light of day on this sickening systemic murder & Apartheid, is ten times more revealing, given Ole’ Navy Joe’s presence onboard the …

USS LIBERTY,

precisely at the moment the IDF attacked Syria & seized the Golan Heights, whilst the IAF attacked the USA & their unarmed USS LIBERTY Navy personnel, killing 34 innocents, with 100% Malice Aforethought: the first IAF Pilot on the scene saw the US Flag on the USS Liberty in international waters, then he informed HQ & other pilots of the reality and disobeyed orders by flying home, only to get arrested for not murdering Americans …

Joe was there on the Bridge as signalman during the attack, witnessing …

“He and Francis Brown hauled up a second American Flag after the steaming colors were shot down early in the air attack. That flag can be seen at http://www.ussliberty.org/g/battleflag.gif. Mr. Meadors was on the bridge throughout the attack and was one of several eyewitnesses to the machinegunning of the liferafts. ” ! ! !

http://www.ussliberty.org/whoisjoe.htm

Back in the day, under the meaningless Geneva Convention …

No further comment, other than the Censorship of Israeli Military culpability & the illegal protection of Israeli Murderers on that day, must finally cease and an accurate picture of the appalling & galling Israeli methods recorded in History, for all to study, especially obligatory in Israeli schools for ALL JEWS ! Make it Mandatory to understand that shooting unarmed US citizens in life rafts in international waters is in fact outrageous, shameful & a serious indictment of the state of the nation of Israel, ever since …

Harry Stotle
Harry Stotle

Well, we’ve certainly reached peak antisemtism tonight – it seems initial allegations about neo-nazism in the Labour party were made by an Israeli asset, Ella Rose.
https://electronicintifada.net/blogs/asa-winstanley/jewish-labour-movement-worked-israeli-embassy-spy

Why didn’t former Sun reporter John Ware mention this in his hatchet-job, sorry, I meant documentary.

Gezzah Potts

Why am I completely unsurprised by this Harry? Ella Rose sounds like another Mata Hari. The devious, completely underhanded activities of these people. Just slime. I watched The Lobby late last year, was most enlightening indeed.

Harry Stotle
Harry Stotle

Ware’s hit-piece began with Ella Rose telling the camera she had been ‘the victim of a lot of antisemtisim in the Labour party’ and that while leafleting (at a party conference) someone ‘screamed abuse in my face’ – this, apparently, constitutes ‘evidence’ in the current climate.

So from the outset it was clear Ware had set the evidence bar at ground level while needless to say there was no requirement for participants, such as the duplicitous Rose, to provide any DOI (declaration of interest)

According to the link (above) the transcript shows that Ella Rose discussed with Robin (an undercover reporter) how he could get a job at the Israeli embassy.
She tells him that two possible positions, one to promote Israeli culture and another to monitor the BDS movement for Palestinian rights, had both been recently filled.
She reveals her intimate knowledge of the embassy’s hiring procedures. One of the candidates, she states, was “going through security at the moment.”
“I could’ve got you an interview as well,” Rose adds.
Rose also states she is close friends with two key figures in the embassy responsible for hiring, and that she had herself “put together half of the list” of candidates for the anti-BDS position.
She offers to help Robin, who was posing as an activist with Labour Friends of Israel, forge links with the Israeli embassy: “I’m more than happy, I can give you the email address if you want to send your CV.”

How on earth is anybody meant to take this sort of suberfuge in good faith and why did the BBC fail to fulfil its supposed role as an impartial broadcaster.

Of course pointing any of this out virtually guarantees a fresh wave of antisemitism slurs not to mention a torrid session on the Tom Watson’s ducking stool.

Ironically the Blairite witch-hunt proves the polar opposite of what it has set out to achieve (tarring Corbyn supporters as antisemitic).
What it actually proves is how many Labour MPs still blindly support an apartheid state irrespective of the human rights abuses regularly committed by Netanyahu’s government in Palestine – not that Ware, or anyone else at the BBC lose much sleep over the fact Paelstinian children are being executed by IDF snipers.

Gezzah Potts

Thanks for the background info. What truly vile creatures. And of course they don’t lose any sleep on how many kiddies are killed by the world’s ‘most moral army’….

mark
mark

With British sniper rifles and dum dum bullets.
Good for business, like Yemen.

Rhisiart Gwilym
Rhisiart Gwilym

Oh JHChrist no, Gezza! Mata Hari was actually quite attractive and seductive. Have you seen Ella Rose? As physically undesirable as she’s morally repugnant. Comprehensively horrible, in fact.

Rhisiart Gwilym
Rhisiart Gwilym

PS: And before anyone starts snowflaking about ‘appearanceism’ let me just say: Let’s be realistic: Some people are indeed physically unattractive; ugly, in the older, franker, non-PC lexicon. It’s a fact of life, round which there is no way. Deal with it! ER is a prize example. She might earn more sympathy, affection even, if she weren’t also such a nasty, offensive, belligerent zionist. She makes the basic obligation to try to be mildly kind and respectful to all sentient creatures quite a task. I falter at it in her case, as you see; but she does seem to go out of her way to earn the aversion.

Tim Jenkins
Tim Jenkins

🙂 You mean ER, like Golda Meir or Henry Kissinger ? 😉

“One cannot and must not try to erase the past,
merely because it does not fit the present.”

Golda Meir said that, after the USS Liberty coverup . . .

“As physically undesirable as she’s morally repugnant.”
Apt, under the circumstances & fair . . .

Gezzah Potts

Didn’t know anything about Ella Rose until I saw a clip Harry Stole put up on the UK The Lobby and she was at the start of it. The whole bloody lot of them are morally repugnant to the point of yelling at my phone: ‘you bastard scum’. And the most hilarious thing of all (not) is presstitutes in the West have screamed blue murder about Russia interfering in elections, and undermining Western ‘democracy’ while these worm douchebags like Ella Rose, John Mann, Joan Ryan, Tom Watson, and their handlers at the Israeli Embassy….. Jayzus Rhi.

George
George

This Labour anti-Semitism mirage started when that rottweiler John Mann verbally assaulted Ken Livingston over allegedly calling Hitler a Zionist – all of which was filmed by a camera team who just happened to be passing. I was curious about this Mann creature and found this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NfoKPdk_hNY

I didn’t have the stomach to watch all this, but I did notice the oddly strained manner of Mann, the feeling that even he didn’t believe the crap he was spouting. And note how “Comments are disabled for this video”.

Maggie
Maggie

Jesus George, that’s ten minutes of my life I am not going to get back.
Note how Mann says that they have to get young people involved in the fight against misinformation… Like the Hasbara???

”The Israeli government encourages all citizens to actively engage in Hasbara. Recently, it even distributed brochures with talking points to all Israelis traveling abroad (a Hebrew web version of the campaign can be viewed here). Israelis are asked to engage in politically-oriented conversations with their hosts and contacts abroad. Rather than discuss the Palestinian conflict, they are advised to cite Israeli technological achievements, mention environmental policies and take pride in notable cultural works. The West Bank is to be discussed – under its ancient Hebrew name, Judea and Samaria – as a potential tourist marvel.
Until a few years ago, the main government agency carrying out Hasbara work was the Israeli Ministry of Foreign Affairs, through its Media and Hasbara department. Under Ehud Olmert’s government, and more so under Netanyahu’s, there was a considerable increase in Hasbara efforts. Prime Minister Netanyahu has launched for the first time a Hasbara Ministry, headed by a government minister (the current hasbara minister is Yuli Edelstein). The Hasbara Ministry includes a situation room, which operates in five languages; it has a new-media team that can reach, according to the office’s web page, 100,000 volunteers on social media networks, as well as many bloggers.
UPDATE: The Ministry of Hasbara is hiring! “Advantage to minorities and representatives of the gay community.” More details here.
On top of the Hasbara Ministry, there is a Hasbara branch in the Prime Minister’s Office (in charge of both local and international PR). The IDF Spokesperson has an international arm with a new media branch, which makes Hasbara efforts and does not limit itself to providing information on army activities. Other government agencies, such as the Ministry of Tourism or the Ministry of Culture, also take part in ad-hoc Hasbara activities. There are other agencies that have gradually moved into greater involvement in Hasbara – perhaps the most notable is The Jewish Agency, which used to serve as a liaison to Jewish communities abroad, and now trains its envoys to American campuses (and UK as was shown in the ‘Lobby.’) to engage in propaganda.
Under Foreign Minister Avigdor Lieberman, the Foreign Ministry was instructed to take a bigger role in the Hasbara effort (a popular rant against the foreign ministry for many years was that it deals with peace-making instead of advocacy, and Lieberman has promised to solve that). I was contacted awhile ago by a private agency that won a contract with the foreign ministry; they were looking for professionals to play hostile journalists in simulations with Israeli diplomats.
Much of the Hasbara work carried out outside official channels – but with heavy official influence – is carried out through non-governmental organizations such as Stand With Us, The Israel Project and more. These organizations produce resources – booklets, slideshows, flyers, maps, polls and more – and spin news events in ways which are favourable to the Israeli government. A lot of thought is put into influencing opinion-makers: journalists and bloggers are flown on a regular basis to tours in Israel, accompanied by government officials, while Israeli representatives – former diplomats, journalists, soldiers and officers – are brought to give lectures at campuses, think-tanks, conferences and other public events around the world. Organizations also try to influence the grassroots level by granting Hasbara fellowships to international students in Israel.”
(..)
https://972mag.com/hasbara-why-does-the-world-fail-to-understand-us/27551/

I’ll say one thing for them, they are bloody organised….

I

DunGroanin
DunGroanin

I first came across the insidious plotters on the beaches of Thailand some years ago. Handsome youngsters recruted in Israel, getting bronzed and buffed before heading to Oz to honeytrap ‘white’ jewish related citizens back ‘home’. True story that.

Rhisiart Gwilym
Rhisiart Gwilym

Rectification of Names again: hasbara is basically deceitful, lying, cheating propaganda; aka ‘bollocks’. So may I recommend the appropriate portmanteau Rectification: ‘hasbarollocks’. (No copyright claimed.Please use and spread as widely as possible. No need to let the zionists make all a the propaganda running.)

Robbobbobin
Robbobbobin

“So may I recommend the appropriate portmanteau Rectification: ‘hasbarollocks’. (No copyright claimed.Please use and spread as widely as possible…”

Too close to “hasbararocks”. Dave McGowan once asked me what “bollocks” meant. Don’t know why – we hadn’t been discussing it. Probably just too English. But if he didn’t know, it’s a safe bet many Americans don’t. And maybe “hasbara” is equallt opaque to many others less up to speed with a new and different idea of Israel and zionism? My occasional tagline is as below, but a generic portmanteu word that spelled it out wouldn’t hurt. Try again?

__________
Proud to be anti-FAsCemitic

(Never quite sure about the hyphen, without it too much like the single word “Antifa” beloved of general-purpose anti-fascists, with it less specific than the usually single word “antisemitism” beloved of the IHRA. {If our tv had ears it could suspect that, for all the supposedly radical anti-fascism I mostly shout at it, I had some underlying traces of fascism myself. I mean, Hitler did inspire a new sort of road system and a classic motor car design grace it and, even better, Mussolini did get the railways running to schedule.})

wardropper
wardropper

I really wonder why people who appear to be decent, law-abiding, courteous, yet outspoken where appropriate, would even dream of going into politics.
Does it really not occur to them that if they ever make it to, say, Foreign Secretary, Minister of State for Defence, or even Prime Minister, the CIA will contact them and set out a few “provisions” for their future well-being?
I mean, what educated politician has not considered this scenario?
Tell me, somebody.
I’m all ears.
And if they seriously have not considered it, then, as my “representatives”, their mental deficiencies are frankly unworthy of any voter’s support.

mark
mark

Like Bolton, who threatened the family of the OPCW director if he didn’t resign.
You just have to repay these people in their own coin.
It’s the only thing they understand.
You have to fight fire with fire.
Nothing is off limits.
Anything goes.
Anything and everything is justified.

wardropper
wardropper

Perhaps that’s a bit too much like “back to the jungle”, Mark?
At any rate I honestly can’t see myself threatening Bolton’s family . . .
Assuming he has a family . . . Why any human being would have anything to do with him would certainly be beyond my comprehension on the best of days.

mark
mark

No, there are no limits with these people.
None.

Maggie
Maggie

I expect the ice dart is primed and ready, and Jezza will go the same way as Robin Cook who dared to expose AlQaida as the CIA data base of mercenaries being used in Afghanistan… and John Smith who Bliar predicted would die of a heart attack?? Or perhaps they are rusting an old pen knife in readiness?
There is too much invested, too many palms have been greased to let Jezza spoil things – The Ministry of Defence (MoD) has said it will cost £17.5bn to £23.4bn to procure the replacement system for Trident alone. That is the estimate at 2013-14 prices.
And the NHS has already been promised to the highest bidders.
‘The rumours are true. Jeremy Hunt co-authored a book in which he openly professed a desire to privatise the NHS.
In the next volume Mr Hunt could quite easily outline a ‘Dummie’s guide for Privatising a Public Service……’
Slowly run the service into the ground.
Facilitate a media onslaught so that that public believe that the system and the workers within are failing them.
Gradually usher in private enterprise in the name of ‘efficiency and safety’.
Perusing the national press this past week has been like watching such a story unfold in real time. In addition to the government’s farcical behaviour over Junior Doctors’ contracts, the events at Addenbrooke’s Hospital can be seen as a microcosm of the upheavals occurring throughout the NHS.
https://whatwouldvirchowdo.wordpress.com/2015/09/24/weve-found-jeremy-hunts-book-and-yes-he-does-want-to-privatise-the-nhs/
And I believe that BOJO has already shaken hands on a new Military Industrial Complex contract. (Makes a change from Prince Andrew?) Bojo just can’t wait to bend over for Trumpety. If he thinks Kim’s comments were bad..I can’t wait to see Trumps reaction when he realises what Bojo has been saying about him.
https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2019/07/boris-johnson-auditions-to-be-trumps-next-whipping-boy
This is a man, after all
who has been fired from two newspapers for making up stories;
who was fired from the shadow cabinet for lying to the leader of the opposition;
who arranged to try and beat someone up (he couldn’t even manage that);
who managed to get the sentence of a British woman held on an (at best) highly questionable conviction in a country not known for the impartiality of its judicial system, doubled;
who bought water cannons with which to attack potential London rioters, despite the then-Home Secretary vowing they could never be used;
who compared the French President to a WWII POW camp guard;
who joked that dead bodied in Libya presented a business risk;
who recited a colonial-era poem in a Burmese temple
The list, frankly, is pretty long, and recited even in Conservative-leaning newspapers, which perhaps shows just how divisive a figure he is.

Haltonbrat
Haltonbrat

I regret to say that you are right.

Maggie
Maggie

I don’t think it necessarily works like that wardropper. I believe they are honey trapped and compromised, to ensure they toe the line. Except for Jezza.. they couldn’t get anything on him.. so they have had to invent things around him.
Clinton fell foul of with Monika Lewinsky, The imbecile Bush and his coke and rent boys, Cameron and the pig’s head, Trump and the golden showers, Blair and his wife’s fitness guru, and the latest Varun Gandhi. These of course are just the tip of the iceberg exposes, and were warning shots.. God only knows what is really under the surface. It is rumoured that most of them are set up by Ml6 with very young girls and boys, and videoed for insurance purposes?.. I believe that Jimmy Savile used to be the procurer.. how else did he manage to dine with ‘kings’ and queen Maggie, and receive a knighthood? Now it appears that Epstein has stepped into his shoes.

wardropper
wardropper

Yes indeed, but my question tacitly asks: What does Jezza think he has that no one else has, which would enable him, say, as Prime Minister, to thwart the clear objective of Washington to promote perpetual war on this planet for profit?
Washington doesn’t play by any rules except its own, and doesn’t think Britain is worth bothering about in any case. So what happens when Corbyn says he intends to scrap all nuclear-connected militarism in the UK, and to make it his priority to look after the British people’s best interests, instead of those of the USA and Israel?
The press go all-out to destroy him. That’s what happens.
So my question still stands: Why, knowing this, would Corbyn even want a political career?
The day he becomes Prime Minister is the day he is called to account by the thugs in Washington, and they will have their way, as they have always done.
The only thing that cheers me somewhat is the growing tide of outrage at US political arrogance, but I can’t see Corbyn reaping the benefits of that any time soon.

Maggie
Maggie

I know what you are saying War D, but I have followed Corbyn for over thirty years, and never once has he veered from his path… I like everyone else have been frustrated by his apparent ‘lack of commitment to Brexit, and his silence over Ken, Jackie, Chris and Mark.. but I think he is playing the long game. They obviously know he is still backing them, as was shown by his very warm welcome of Chris when he returned.. If that actually WAS the return. It could have been videoed anywhere?
I posted videos last night of a guy called Kenneth O’keefe, and I think he is well worth investigating. He talks exactly like Jezza but with bigger balls. The difference being that he isn’t standing for PM??? So he takes no prisoners, is more vociferous, and brutally honest. I slept better after watching him than I have done for months, for he puts EVERYTHING into perspective.
”A weak and fractured country is all part of the NWO plan.” The head of the state is the Finance Industry. All World Governments are puppets carrying out the orders of the Bankers.
The revolution is already started, and it’s called ”’awareness.”

Whistle-blower..The Greater Israel Project. 2014

Stupid wars:

wardropper
wardropper

Thanks Maggie.
Like many of us here, I am also looking for the inspiration for a good night’s sleep! I hope you’re right about Corbyn, but the Brexit thing is rather worrying.

Like Mark here, I am pretty certain that the Bolton/Pompeo loons would stoop to anything to halt him in his tracks, should real authority look like being his.
I mean, who can resist a threat to their family, for example?

I see there a good reason for some of the world’s greatest teachers and moral leaders NOT going into politics . . .

wardropper
wardropper

Oh, and Kenneth O’Keefe puts by far the most sane perspective on the whole Ultra-Super-Zionist thing. I don’t think I have seen him before. Thanks again.

ve
ve

Corbyn is different. He was happy being a back bencher, staying true to his OWN beliefs. Consistently voting against the Blairites. Political leaders have a ego that drives them to the top. They go to Eton and are educated to rule us. They crave power & attention. Corbyn is an accidental leader, he didn’t seek it. He was encouraged to put himself forward for election to have a leftist on the ballot, to show that leftists could still be part of Labour. That they were given a fair chance. Enough MP’s supported him, for the same reason – to show political balance. The political establishment has NOTHING on him. They’ve been through his entire life in microscopic detail, through his bins, and hacked his phone. They found NOTHING real – hence the invented attacks. Even with these hysterical smears Labour have a 6 point lead in latest poll. If GE was called now, Labour would be largest party by far, in a hung Parliament. Onwards & upwards

wardropper
wardropper

Well I certainly appreciate the optimism in that comment, and I seriously hope you are right.
My only doubt about Corbyn concerns what seems to be an undecided and somewhat moveable stance regarding Brexit.

Dissidents_unit
Dissidents_unit

Don’t worry about Brexit – he will arrive at a deal with the EU that will be the best for Britain including jobs, an improved economy and protection of workers rights. Doesn’t matter about any political manouverings, he will stand by what he believes.

wardropper
wardropper

A heartening comment. Thank you.
Let’s just hope the media allow him to have a chance, since I also worry that the population have already been dumbed down to the point that they wouldn’t know a good leader from a lethal one.

Mike Ellwood
Mike Ellwood

Not sure about that. He rejected May’s Deal because it wasn’t “Brexit In Name Only” enough. Do you mean that he will just go for “Remain and Reform”? In which case…

https://www.thefullbrexit.com/nationalisation

https://www.thefullbrexit.com/remain-reform-remain

https://www.thefullbrexit.com/remain-and-revolt

https://www.thefullbrexit.com/remain-and-reform

Dissidents_unit
Dissidents_unit

Corbyn is a man of honour, decency and principle. He will stand up to the USA and yes, it might well cost him, but he will do it and I hope with it, change the British political landscape forever. From where I am sitting, the USA to me appears to be a loose cannon who is losing international power at a rate of knots. Hence all these sanctions against everyone in the world. Corbyn has already withstood and weathered a sustained, malicious, vicious, twisted, hysterial campaign against him both by the MSM, the Israeli Government, The CIA, Trump, Pompeo, the Integrity Initiative, you name it. Hasn’t dragged much up though has it?

Currently, the USA is isolated in the world in relation to Iran, nobody is supporting them except our own stupid, warmongering, utterly corrupt Jeremy Hunt and Bojo. The UK will pay a heavy price on this. A Government does not go illegally taking maritime fleet ships thus committing acts of piracy. It should think, consider and reach a diplomatic solution.

Corbyn won’t kow tow to the pressure of the Deep State, he’ll fight it, make it public, challenge it and probably the CIA/Mossad/MI6 will have to assassinate him to shut him up (and oh yes, must blame it on the Russians).

That is why Israel, the USA and the British Government are mounting this sustained campaign against him, they know he cannot be bought. Interestingly enough, that is the problem the USA and others have with Putin, he cannot be bought as he has nothing in his past to blackmail him with. We, the West, owe a great deal to Putin and Xi Ping in terms of a counter balance to US international aggression.

wardropper
wardropper

I admit I sometimes play devil’s advocate, since everything you say is exactly as I would like to believe, but I am under no illusions as to the price which has often been paid by men and women of principle when it comes to common decency in politics, and I like to “know mine enemy”.
Apart from the malignant agenda behind most of what is going on in the Middle East today, I am also concerned that the steady placement of the “correct people” in the most responsible oversight jobs during recent decades has led to a situation where the Establishment is unaware of anything but itself, while the general population has no contact with it at all.
I see that as a big problem – a foreseeable one, but one which is not being dealt with, since the media have covered it up for so long.
So we have our current “Washminster”, which is entirely self-centred and entirely unaware of the intelligent, educated and experienced people among the general public who no longer have access to normal means of democratic criticism of their government.
This has been seen to, and is not a coincidence.

mark
mark

The most vile and degenerate perverts are deliberately promoted and placed in high office because they are easier to control. Paedos who like torturing children. This kind of thing is rife in the Establishment. Savile, Rolf Harris and similar people are expendable because they are just on the fringes, and even they are protected for years. People like Cyril Smith and Janner are given a licence to rape children for their lifetime, so long as they serve the interests that protect them. Anything that has come to light so far is not even the tip of the iceberg. Clinton’s buddy Epstein faces more child prostitution charges, but these have gone to the corrupt and politicised Southern District of New York, so there will probably be another cover up. If Epstein goes Full Deep Throat and spills the beans on all the VIP paedos, he will probably be found dead in jail. But something could ciome of this. Epstein bugged all the paedo trips to his mansion on Lolita Island, and tapes and photos of Prince Andrew and all the others could turn up. They’re probably writing out the D Notices in advance.