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If you provoke the entire world, something may happen

Andre Vltchek

The United States believes that it is so invincible, exceptional and so frightening that no one would ever dare to protest, let alone defend its people against constant humiliation, economic embargos and military threats.

It used to be like this for quite some time. In the past, the West used to bully the world before and after each well-planned assault. Also, well-crafted propaganda used to be applied.

It was declared that things are done ‘legally’ and rationally. There were certain stages to colonialist and imperialist attacks: “define your goals”, “identify your victim”, “plan”, “brainwash your own citizens and people all over the world”, and then, only then, “bomb some unfortunate country back to the stone ages”.

Now, things are slightly different. “The leader of the free world” wakes up in the middle of the night, and he tweets. What comes from his computer, tablet or phone, (or whatever he uses), is spontaneous, unpolished and incredibly dangerous. Similar in substance to what made him wake up in the middle of the night, in a first place.

He does not seem to plan; he shoots off from the hip. Today, as I am writing this essay, he has declared that he has “five strategies for Venezuela”. Go figure. Bravo!

Earlier, as he was about to land outside London, he embarked on insulting the Mayor of the British capital, calling him names. A bit like we used to do to each other, when we were five years old, in the neighborhood playground.

He has been regularly offending Mexico, and of course Iran, China and Russia.

He basically tells the leader of the most populous nation on earth – China – to “be there”, at the G20 Summit, or else.

Whenever he and his lieutenants are in the mood, they get busy antagonizing everyone: Cuba and Nicaragua, DPRK and Venezuela, Bolivia and Syria.

Of course, the main “culprits” are always the ‘biggest bad boys’, Russia and China.

Anyone, at any time, could easily land on the proverbial hit list of President Trump, and hawks of his United States of A. It could be India (which, during ‘good submissive times’ is called by the West the “biggest democracy”, or perhaps Turkey (militarily the second mightiest NATO country). The world had been converted into an entity which appears to be run by a bloodthirsty and unpredictable dictatorship. The world is an entity where everyone is terrified of being purged, imprisoned, starved to death, or directly attacked, even liquidated.

It was always like this, at least in the modern history of the planet. Colonialism, neo-colonialism, imperialism: they have many different faces but one common root. Root that has been often hidden deep under the surface.

But this time it is all in the open, raw and brutally honest.

*

Both George W. Bush and Donald Trump have one thing in common: they are honest.

Bill Clinton and Barrack Obama were both ‘suave’ presidents. They were loved in Europe, as they knew how to speak politely, how to dine elegantly, and how to commit mass murder in a ‘rational, righteous way’; ‘old-fashioned, European-style’.

The brutal, vulgar ways of W. Bush and Donald Trump, have been consistently shocking all those individuals who are pleased when things are done ‘stylishly’ and ‘politically correctly’; be it a coup or the starvation to death of millions through embargos. Or be it invasions or ‘smart’ bombing (practically, ‘smart’ meaning very far from the inquisitive eyes).

But it is not only the ‘offended sensibilities’ of predominantly European population, that matter.

The danger is that someone might take Donald Trump seriously, and respond accordingly.

In the past, verbal insults similar to those unleashed now by the US President, could easily have led to a war, or at least to the breaking up of diplomatic relationships.

And now?

In case Westerners have not realized it, yet – people all over the world are indignant. I talk to Libyans, Afghans, Iraqis, Venezuelans, Cubans, Iranians: they hate what comes from Washington; hate it with passion. They know that what is being done to them is terrorism, thuggery. But for now, they do not know how to defend themselves. Not yet, but they are thinking.

The entire world now resembles a brutal ghetto, or a slum, where a heavily armed gang controls the streets, and in fact every corner and alley.

At least in the past, subjugated people were able to hide behind decorative words and ideological pirouettes. They were able to ‘save their face’. They were sodomized in the name of ‘freedom’, ‘democracy’ and ‘human rights’. Now, a horrible reality is flying directly into all directions: “You will do as you are told!” “It is us who will decide.” “Obey, because we said so”. Entire proud nations are being reduced into states of slaves or even worse – lap dogs.

*

As everyone is well aware, even lackeys and slaves often hold grudges. And abused dogs can bite.

Throughout history, slaves rebelled. True heroes came from rebellious and enslaved nations.

This, what we have now on our planet, is not good, not a healthy situation.

The more countries that are being intimidated, the higher the chances are that somewhere, soon, things will let go; collapse.

Only terrible fear, so far, assures that if a Syrian or a Libyan or an Afghan city is leveled to the ground, there is no real retaliation: urban areas in the USA stay intact.

Only incredible patience of the Russian or Chinese leaders guarantees that, so far, even as their economies are being battered by ridiculous sanctions, the two powerful nations do not retaliate and ruin the US financial system (which is only a paper tiger).

Trump dares. He tortures and humiliates more than half of the world, then looks straight ahead and laughs: “So what are you going to do now?”

So far, the world is doing nothing.

Even the proud and mighty Iran is not ‘crossing the line’. As millions of its people are suffering because of insane sanctions, the Iranian navy is not yet engaging the US battleships that are sailing very near its shores.

Even as more and more US bases are being built right next to both Russia and China’s borders, so far there are no substantial military bases being erected by Moscow or Beijing in places such as Nicaragua, Cuba or Venezuela.

*

All this may change, soon.

And the so much dreaded (by Washington) “domino effect” may actually take place.

Non-Western leaders have also their ‘bad days’ and terrible nights. They also wake up in the middle of the night, and think, want to communicate and to act.

Imagine an Iranian leader, waking up at 2AM, and suddenly feeling overwhelmed by wrath, because Iranian men, women and children are suffering, for no reason, as a result of the perverse sadism being regurgitated by the West. What if he Tweets an insult, too? What if he just orders, on a spur of the moment, to have all those obsolete US aircraft carriers and destroyers that are floating in the vicinity, be sunk? Iran can do it: everyone knows that it can! Technically, militarily, it is easy: those ships are just sitting ducks.

Then what? Will Washington nuke Iran?

Someone may say: The West is killing millions every year, anyway. Better to fight it, in order to stop it, once and for all. Others may join. And then, then what? Will Trump give orders to kill tens of millions, just to maintain control over the world?

What if the US navy vessels bump into a Russian or a Chinese ship, as they almost did in the South China Sea, recently? What if a Russian or Chinese ship sinks, dozens of sailors die. And there is a retaliation? Then what?

What if Syria has enough and begins shooting down Israeli military jets that are bombing it, and attacking North American and European ‘special forces’ that are still located, illegally, on its territory?

The US is engaged all over the world. France and the UK, too. And if you talk to the people in Africa, Asia, the Middle East, you very soon realize what the real feelings towards Washington are!

If you provoke the entire world, something very terrible may happen!

Now, there is an entire coalition of powerful nations, ready to defend themselves, and also defend each other. Militarily, economically, and ideologically.

The world is not a slave of the West, or the United States. It is not a latrine.

This is the new world. Considering the horrors that were spread by the West, for many long years and centuries, Asia, Africa, “Latin America”, the Middle East and Oceania, are unbelievably patient and forgiving. But the USA and Europe should not take this tolerance for granted. They should not provoke its former and present victims.

Now, we (the people from the previously ruined part of the world) are beginning to speak up: about what is being done to us – to China and Russia, to South America and Africa, and the Middle East. With awareness comes courage. With courage comes pride.

Do not misinterpret our kindness. It is not a weakness. Not anymore. Think twice before you speak (or Tweet). Think a thousand times, before you act!

First published by NEO – New Eastern Outlook

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Pepe
Pepe
Jul 17, 2019 4:37 AM

Who the fuck writes this piffle trying to pass as intellectual analysis? How biased can one be? Do facts matter?

Sheesh

MASTER OF UNIVE
MASTER OF UNIVE
Jul 17, 2019 4:30 AM

The United States of America has already provoked the wrong guy back before Bear Stearns was murdered so that Lehman Brothers would fall as it did. Controlled Demolition works wonders in Finance too post-911 Controlled Demolition of WTC 1, 2, & Building 7.

08 ushered in the controlled demolition of the Western Banking empire & the wholesale demise of Fractional Reserve Banking & Corporate America. Soon America will be a necropolis of dead cities & towns that hold only memories instead of people.

Wall Street ethos is ‘kill or be killed’ whereby America itself was killed in 08 but somehow Trump failed to read the Financial Times and likely still thinks that main street USA is as financially illiterate as he undoubtedly is.

MOU

wardropper
wardropper
Jul 13, 2019 10:11 PM

Well, we have clearly reached the stage of asking the right questions at last.
I never thought of YouTube as the friend of the educated, or the resource of scholars, but if Trump and his lunatic government ever accidentally hit upon YouTube, they can hardly fail to be struck by how much of its readership has really, really, really had enough of American exceptionalism, hubris and bullying, as well as U.S. readiness to torch the whole world and utterly ignore its own population in the service of Israel’s greed.

Gezzah Potts
Gezzah Potts
Jul 13, 2019 10:39 PM
Reply to  wardropper

Couldn’t agree with you more. The trillions the United States has spent on maintaining the Empire while whole regions are literally screwed, with the infrastructure collapsing; West Virginia, Camden NJ, Philadelphia, rural areas in states like Alabama and Arkansas, Flint Michigan, etc etc. How many homeless are there now? I had customers who visited Los Angeles recently, and they were dumbfounded at the numbers of homeless they spotted there. The whole ethos of ‘I’ve got mine, I’m all right Jack’ – the whole social darwinian nature of Neoliberalism, with the psychopaths at the top raking it in….

USAMNESIA
USAMNESIA
Jul 14, 2019 6:39 AM
Reply to  Gezzah Potts

I saw this comment recently and it seems fitting…..Because America is where the empire has centralized most of its military firepower and billionaires, Americans are the most propagandized people on earth. There are thousands of people whose whole entire job is to convince Americans that it is good and desirable to keep trillions of dollars in military hardware moving around the planet and killing complete strangers who pose no threat to any American.

Gezzah Potts
Gezzah Potts
Jul 14, 2019 8:47 AM
Reply to  USAMNESIA

True, and also immensely sad and tragic coz I would lay money that a lot of those being crushed by Neoliberalism, those in Walmart or working in a Diner in Huntsville AL, or a janitor in Tulsa, etc are those who believe the ‘american dream’ the most, and all the jingoism that goes with it, even while they’re living paycheck to paycheck, and can barely pay their utilities bill.

mark
mark
Jul 17, 2019 8:03 PM
Reply to  Gezzah Potts

Homeless – I think the official figure is 500,000. Which means nothing, except it’s more than 500,000.

According to “official figures” there are 2,000 rough sleepers in the UK. I’ve seen more than that on a trip into town.

Gezzah Potts
Gezzah Potts
Jul 17, 2019 11:46 PM
Reply to  mark

‘official figures’ (cough) mean nothing on anything. As I’ve mentioned, sell The Big Issue mag, tho am lucky enough to have a roof over my head and quite a lot of regular customers (for now). All over this city, even in the outer suburbs, more people begging, more people sleeping in parks, even in ‘middle class’ suburbs where I sell, more empty shops and a myriad of others having ‘closing down sales’, its sort of like a slow motion implosion, aye. I also see a lot of very deluded people who are oblivious to the approaching shitstorm.

BigB
BigB
Jul 13, 2019 2:47 PM

Yes, yes, Andre: the Western militarised global economic model is broken …so you keep telling us. And the Eastern sustainable trade-based global economic model is vastly superior …so you keep either implying or telling us. But you are not the only one to notice. A broken ‘Western’ weaponised economic model it is: global militarised imperialism has led to a near global pushback …and rightly so. And the shift to an ‘Eastern’ financialised global trade in goods and services; based on the latest AI-fintech infrastructure and the multilateral embrace of technological advancement – egalitarianly and humanitarianly globally implemented (the ‘Eurasian Information Infrastructure’; CPEC; BRICS=>BRICS+=>BRICS++) …to pull everyone out poverty; whilst effecting deep decarbonisation of the global economy …implementing the UN’s SDG Agenda 2030 low carbon ‘sustainable growth’ model …”in the spirit of harmonious coexistence between people and nature” (the Tianxia ‘Ecological Civilisation’) …etc, etc, etc … What you won’t say (because… Read more »

Tim Jenkins
Tim Jenkins
Jul 13, 2019 11:55 PM
Reply to  BigB

It’s Chuck Mangione & Esther Satterfield in the “Land of Make Believe” all over again, coz’ the it’s easy to distract the kids today, from what has really been causing all the climate change and the reality of Geo-engineering of the weather for corporate & military strategic gain & pain, with the derivative fund investments on the Chicago Mercantile Exchange … When the models & programming for Atmospheric & Environmental Research Inc. Weather Risk Management** with Intel Inside & their Galway based Harmony & HarmoniEPS programmers are all so compartmentalised, away from the Hirlam & Aladin Consortium & HAC’s HARP programme as opposed to the other HAARP programmers of old, all of whom feed the British Met. & French Météo offices, with a short term near weather prognosis, tuned to hectometres, with a focus on the severe weather they have been creating secretly, outside the aforementioned parameters and with zero… Read more »

Francis Lee
Francis Lee
Jul 14, 2019 8:57 AM
Reply to  BigB

”In order globalisation to advance, it had to be accepted by more people …but not by imposing the dominant American social and philosophical beliefs and structures …” But is this possible? It would be surprising if some of the movers and shakers of the global system are getting a little uncomfortable with the way things are going. Can the whole thing be slammed into reverse without a complete disintegration? And what will emerge? Well that is anybody’s guess. What is certain is that we are headed for the biggest crack-up in this history of mankind. It seems doubtful to me that the ruling elites have either the brains or imagination to bring about fundamental changes in their system. They are like the Bourbons, ‘learned nothing, forgotten nothing.’ As Lenin once put it: ”It goes without saying that if capitalism could develop agriculture, which today is lagging terribly behind industry, if… Read more »

Gezzah Potts
Gezzah Potts
Jul 14, 2019 12:52 PM
Reply to  Francis Lee

Fully agree Francis, and like you, and most commenters here and elsewhere, I see big black clouds looming on the horizon. I’m not very literate on economic terminology, but my gut feeling is we are heading for a massive meltdown that will make 2008 look like a sunday school picnic. No one will escape the consequences of it.

Butties
Butties
Jul 15, 2019 6:43 PM
Reply to  Gezzah Potts

“No one will escape the consequences of it.”

No maybe not , but those at the bottom have a better chance of surviving it methinks.

BigB
BigB
Jul 15, 2019 11:13 AM
Reply to  Francis Lee

Is it possible for capitalism to advance as per Lord Jim’s quote: no. The American elitist Enlightenment philosophy is the logic of globalisation. Not among entire populations: but among the ruling classes. Russia is not neoliberal: but institutionally and constitutionally it is at an elite level. Russian economists were either trained in the West, or at home, by the ‘Harvard Boys’. PCR and Michael Hudson have written plenty about this – they consider neoliberalism America’s ‘Fifth Column’: https://www.paulcraigroberts.org/2018/05/25/americas-fifth-column-will-destroy-russia/ Just as Russian elites are privately educated in London and Oxbridge – so are China’s in Harvard and the Ivy League hall’s of cognitive elitism. It’s anecdotal, but when David Harvey and Michael Hudson were in Beijing for a an International Marxism conference – they were regaled by students asking “When can we have a free market”? So with cognitive elitism globally. It is privately educated, academically apartheid and quasi-exclusionary. It may… Read more »

MASTER OF UNIVE
MASTER OF UNIVE
Jul 17, 2019 4:43 AM
Reply to  BigB

Empirical reality has come home to roost and there is nothing the so-called ‘globalists’ can do about it because the ‘globalists’ lost complete control over the now defunct global economy as they got drunk on the souls of the poor and fell asleep at the wheel of global Finance to whereby the global economy ran off the rails like a runaway freight train with no engineer to apply the breaks.

MOU

Francis Lee
Francis Lee
Jul 13, 2019 12:59 PM

The usual troll strategy is to pinpoint some type of human rights issue – true or otherwise – in a target country as part of the build-up to a regime change project. Note that the belligerent power has absolutely no interest whatsoever regarding human rights in the target country; this is simply a pretext. The target country having committed the grievous and unspeakable sin of not being told what to do by the Anglo-Zionist empire should now be brought to its knees by military and non-military means ( sanctions, cyber-war and so forth). And so the non-stop hysteria listing the so-called human rights abuses goes into overdrive with an army of paid propagandists enlisted for this purpose. Of course the belligerent power is assumed to be as pure as the driven snow and its sole intention is to put the world to rights. This is taken as axiomatic by the… Read more »

George Cornell
George Cornell
Jul 13, 2019 1:26 PM
Reply to  Francis Lee

I would say absence of subhuman empathy because the Brutish for the most part thought blacks were not human. If you think that is an exaggeration, see the entry under ‘Negro’ in the very mainstream Encyclopedia Brittanica ninth edition 1888 approx. and this was only part of a general theme. Having inaugurated biological warfare in Canada by purposely giving smallpox to the Indians, they invented concentration camps in the Boer war and succeeded in causing the deaths of 30k women and children.
Their descendants in the US had no problem with Native American genocide, as it made it easier for them to break their land treaties, not a single one of which they kept anyway.

andyoldlabour
andyoldlabour
Jul 14, 2019 10:55 AM
Reply to  George Cornell

The racist behaviour was not just limited to the British, look at the behaviour of Belgium in the Congo, Italy in Ethiopia, France in Northern Africa, the Dutch in South Africa.
In the modern era, the US has been at war for 80 years, has military bases in around 70 countries and is constantly employing regime change to maintain hegemony in various regions.
In the 2016 US election, 55.7% turned out to vote. 62,984,828 people voted for Trump, 3 million more voted for Clinton.
110 million people decided not to vote at all.

George Cornell
George Cornell
Jul 14, 2019 11:01 AM
Reply to  andyoldlabour

Quite true. The British were more “successful” and innovative perhaps but for sheer rapaciousness it is hard to outdo Leopold in the Congo.

mark
mark
Jul 14, 2019 2:33 PM
Reply to  andyoldlabour

That’s very true. Tiny Belgium was one of the worst genociders. They turned the whole of Central Africa into a charnel house. From 1890-1910 in the first years of colonial rule, 10 million were slaughtered, half the population. This outmatches by far conventional accounts of the 1940s “holocaust,” though of course the victims there were “white”, so naturally they are more important and there are holocaust museums on every street corner and every other day is a holocaust memorial day, while you don’t see very many Spielberg epics about the Congo Holocaust. Italy butchered three quarters of a million in Libya in the 1920s, half the small population there. Well over 100 million native Americans were deliberately exterminated by half a dozen European countries. France had a policy of genocide in Algeria. Germany had extermination policies in East and South West Africa. The Dutch and the Portuguese rampaged across Asia… Read more »

Brian Harry
Brian Harry
Jul 15, 2019 10:00 PM
Reply to  mark

I think that those 48% of Americans realize that there is NO point in voting in the USA because the two Parties, are “Two wings of the same bird”. The “Moneymen” hold sway in the USA, via bribery(er, I mean Donations)

mark
mark
Jul 15, 2019 10:54 PM
Reply to  Brian Harry

Two cheeks of the same arse.

George Cornell
George Cornell
Jul 15, 2019 10:15 PM
Reply to  George Cornell

Britannica that is, he says redfacedly.

Antipropo
Antipropo
Jul 14, 2019 11:20 PM
Reply to  Francis Lee

I am 100% in accord with you my friend. My only quibble is that you would be shocked or surprised by the hypocrisy.

MASTER OF UNIVE
MASTER OF UNIVE
Jul 19, 2019 3:27 AM
Reply to  Francis Lee

The Liberal Party of CANADA led Trudeau administration has been looking into Canadian aboriginal human rights abuses & genocide for over twenty years to date. This year was the first year that the Government of Canada has admitted the word ‘genocide’ into the discourse that is publically disclosed by government. The Trudeau Liberal legacy will now indicate that it has only been the Liberal Party of Canada under a Trudeau led government that has even had the intelligence to admit fault and attempt reparations with First Nations Canada. The Conservative Party of Canada would never have had the wisdom of the Liberal Party to even hazard an apology to aboriginal Canadians let alone even mention the word genocide in any of their discourse. The Green Party of Canada has never mentioned aboriginal Canada aside from mentioning them in the environmental debates surrounding pipelines. The New Democratic Party has also demonstrated… Read more »

Jihadi Colin
Jihadi Colin
Jul 13, 2019 12:41 PM

Vitchek imagines that we in the rest of the world fear the Imperialist States of Amerikastan (and its Brutish and French slaves and lackeys). We do not. We hate them, true; I, personally, have long since realised that one can never trust an Amerikastani for a millisecond. But we do not fear them. Not after watching turbaned Afghan farmers and Iraqi slum teenagers with fifty year old rifles and homemade landmines fight the vaunted Amerikastani war criminal regime and its NATO slaves to a standstill. The Brutish are headed for a long welcome collapse and disintegration of their utterly evil nation, with the concomitant economic and social breakdown that will accompany it. That is excellent (there’s no need to have anything but Schadenfreude for the Brutish who suffer as a result), but it’s only the beginning. The Amerikastani Empire’s economy, based on the toilet paper known as the dollar, will… Read more »

Antipropo
Antipropo
Jul 14, 2019 11:27 PM
Reply to  Jihadi Colin

Amrikastani just detracts from your point of view which I generally share. You are just uninformed about the Russian Navy, the military doctrine for the Soviet and Russian Navy was and is defensive. No need to be able to “patrol” the globe, just be strong in your own waters.

George Cornell
George Cornell
Jul 13, 2019 12:28 PM

The Jeff Epstein case should be perused by all here. It provides insight into how things work in the US at the highest levels. In the Westminster pedophile scandal involving “Lord” Janner, it was possible to have ignored all the poor complainants, sodomised by Janner and his pals by simply asking the police to do so. Similarly Epstein and his friends recruited the poor, the vulnerable, the unparented and parentless children from shopping malls and passed them around their circle.Robert Maxwell’s daughter was a prominent recruiter. When they went to the police, it took several years before there was any prosecution and not a little shaming and cajoling. In a country where a black man can get life for robbing a convenience store to feed his family, Epstein got a year of “jail” where he could leave for work all day. But the embers of depravity smouldered and Bill Clinton’s… Read more »

BigB
BigB
Jul 13, 2019 4:01 PM
Reply to  George Cornell

The UK Column had an interesting segment on this yesterday. Who is Jeffrey Epstein? Teacher to trader to limited partner in Bear Stearns in four years. He is either very good; or something else is going on. Is Ghislaine Maxwell a procurer, or is Epstein a concierge for the ruling class? My ears pricked up because another man I know of went from a cabbie to having a $25 investment portfolio overnight. That man was Bill Browder. Persistent rumours of a state backer won’t go away. Ann Coulter (not an author I would normally follow) raised the possibility again. But she also raised another cogent point: this isn’t for the kids …they are playing the Acosta angle to get at Trump. Epstein is a protected asset – a CIA/Mossad ‘made-man’ perhaps? He is certainly teflon-coated. There is much more to this than meets the eye. That ‘much more’ will never… Read more »

George Cornell
George Cornell
Jul 13, 2019 5:51 PM
Reply to  BigB

Epstein had abundant video cameras on Pedophile Island in the Virgins (irony?). He was playing a dangerous game and the FBI are said to have raided the island and done lots of viewing and confiscating. Epstein had the powerful by the shorts and hell and earth were moved to accommodate him. Acosta was an ambitious accomplice. You get Epstein off, you get a cabinet post. Trump knew the pedophile well and has spoken about what a great guy he was but did point out he liked his women young, (umbilical cord severed, but only just). So now Trump will disclaim that Acosta’s hiring had anything to do with Epstein, as if. I hope Clinton finally gets his just desserts. He denied being to Pedo Island but where did Epsteins plane take him? Thailand? The crumbs on the trail of scumbaggery have been digested by the raptors but there are just… Read more »

mark
mark
Jul 13, 2019 6:56 PM
Reply to  George Cornell

It’s just unfortunate all the UK VIP paedo rings have been covered up for so long, with so many kids raped and murdered. Epstein and his handlers have half the British establishment on tape. I hope these see the light of day some time. The D Notices are probably being typed out in advance.

Tim Jenkins
Tim Jenkins
Jul 14, 2019 12:55 PM
Reply to  mark

What happened to GARRY HOY m8 ?

His was a seriously interesting CASE ? ! ?

Tim Jenkins
Tim Jenkins
Jul 14, 2019 12:07 PM
Reply to  BigB

You mean surely the same Dershowitz, who was introduced to Epstein by LDR (Lyn d’Rothschild), according to Alison Mack’s Testimony in March this year:- ‘when do birds sing?’ in Spring 😉 I believe there is no “perhaps” about all of this: just from my personal & family experience alone, (growing up in Dibden Purlieu, just a bike ride away from the Rothschild’s Exbury Gardens and Lord Montague’s Beaulieu, with Lord Mountbatten’s ‘gaff’ not so far down the road, nr. ‘Rumsey’ & Stanbridge Earls School, where uncle Nick worked): my collective family & friends experience of both Corporate & Military intelligence training & their despicable depraved methods, from 1938 onwards is neither small nor limited by compartmentalisation: BigB, I’m not exaggerating in the slightest when I say that the Zionist State of Israel has presented us all with the greatest conundrum & Legal Case of an existential nature ever, re. Habitat… Read more »

mark
mark
Jul 18, 2019 5:25 PM
Reply to  BigB

There’s a really weird temple on Lolita Island, sort of a mini Dome Of The Rock.
But it’s more like an Egyptian or pagan temple with a giant owl statue like they’ve got at Bohemian Grove.
God knows what they get up to there.
Maybe a bit of spirit cooking or sacrificing or pizza rituals.

Guy
Guy
Jul 13, 2019 6:31 PM
Reply to  George Cornell
Tim Jenkins
Tim Jenkins
Jul 14, 2019 1:05 PM
Reply to  Guy

Well worth a bookmark, thanks Guy 😉

mark
mark
Jul 13, 2019 6:50 PM
Reply to  George Cornell

Talmudistan is the world centre of child trafficking, as it is of organ trafficking. Goy stooges like Lindsay Graham are provided with a steady supply of little boys on their freebie trips there. The Epstein organisation has all the hallmarks of a Mossad front. You have the “billionaire” Epstein himself, who apparently doesn’t have much money, with his non existent hedge fund, who appears out of nowhere with his paedo organisation fully formed and ready for business. Lavish properties that apparently belong to no one. Ghislaine Maxwell as Procuress In Chief, daughter of the Mossad agent Robert Maxwell, whose funeral was attended by 6 present and former Mossad directors. A Who’s Who of politicians, rich and famous as frequent flyers on the Lolita Express, Clinton, Prince Andrew, Branson, hundreds of others, all filmed and recorded in the Lolita Mansion for Mossad Central. Epstein has had his easy time in Jew… Read more »

mark
mark
Jul 13, 2019 9:04 PM
Reply to  George Cornell

I think the Epstein case needs a deep dive by Offg some time soon. xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Just what is going on here? Why has the case against Epstein been resurrected, and why now? is this just a normal law enforcement case, motivated by a desire for justice? My reading of this is that Trump was patiently biding his time until the Mueller/ Russiagate hoax collapsed under its own weight. That time has come. He is not disposed to forgive and forget. Trump and his administration have been the victims of an outrageous, blatant attempted coup and smear campaign involving several foreign governments, principally the UK and Ukraine, but also several others, together with the Democrat establishment, MSM, and corrupt and politicised intelligence and law enforcement agencies. They tried to prevent his election, then to cripple his administration, and impeach him. But this has failed now. It is a busted flush, and… Read more »

George Cornell
George Cornell
Jul 13, 2019 10:41 PM
Reply to  mark

FYI, I wrote the OffG ed staff almost a year ago to do a story on Epstein but got no reply. It might have been seen as tangential, or I did not present the case well but it is not too late. This story crosses several national and moral boundaries and sheds a spotlight on many of the outstanding scumbags of our time. The roaches have been scurrying, the vermin are squirmin’ , the markers are being called in, the loans cancelled and the IOUs are being disowned. Could be magical.

mark
mark
Jul 14, 2019 2:45 AM
Reply to  George Cornell

Yes, if I’m right and Trump is the prime mover behind this, I don’t think it can be covered up like it was before. It needs their equivalent of a full public enquiry, or special prosecutor.

Tim Jenkins
Tim Jenkins
Jul 14, 2019 12:47 AM
Reply to  mark

Yo mark great comments , but I think you might find that Sessions recused himself as part of Trump’s plan to focus Sessions on the Epstein Investigation 😉 I was also surprised to read elsewhere, as well as this:- “Maxwell’s criminal activities began early in his career, culminating when the collapse of the Eastern Bloc set the stage for a feeding frenzy of fraud, deceit and theft of state assets. KGB and other Eastern Bloc intelligence agents—with whom Maxwell already had established contacts—moved into the business world following the breakup of the Soviet empire, and became the sharks that devoured the assets of state resources for their own ends. The underworld flourished, and Maxwell was there to help himself to a hefty 15 to 20 percent cut as he laundered their money through Bulgaria and Western banks. Soon, Maxwell had links to criminals who dealt in illegal arms, prostitution, money… Read more »

mark
mark
Jul 14, 2019 2:41 AM
Reply to  Tim Jenkins

You’re right, this is a real can of worms.
It has the potential of a Watergate x 100.

Michael
Michael
Jul 14, 2019 6:11 AM
Reply to  mark

Trump is an Illuminati operative just as Obama (Barry Soetero), Killery and Bush 1&2. This is a soap opera being played out for you, while all the players are really on the same side.

Mikalina
Mikalina
Jul 14, 2019 7:06 PM
Reply to  Michael

Not understanding what the rule of technique is doing to him and to his world, modern man is beset by anxiety and a feeling of insecurity. He tries to adapt to changes he cannot comprehend. The conflict of propaganda takes the place of the debate of ideas.
Jacques Ellul

Michael
Michael
Jul 14, 2019 9:57 PM
Reply to  Mikalina

You and Jacques have very little faith in your own species. Mankind is forced to pollute and make war, as we are not the dominant species on this planet. The Illuminati is controlled by interdimensional entities that are not friends of mankind. The conflicts based on propaganda are contrived from a central source.

Maggie
Maggie
Jul 17, 2019 11:05 PM
Reply to  mark

They tried to keep Andrew’s name out of the Epstein scandal, and deflect the attention off him by throwing Cliff Richard to the wolves, led by the BBC. But this should not be allowed to lie hidden any longer. Why should they be above the law? Here is Epstein’s little black book . https://gawker.com/here-is-pedophile-billionaire-jeffrey-epsteins-little-b-1681383992 >>> Epstein’s former House Manager Alfredo Rodriguez tried to sell it in 2009. About 50 of the entries, including those of many of Epstein’s suspected victims and accomplices as well as Trump, Love, Barak, Dershowitz, and others, were circled by Rodriguez. (The existence of the book has been previously reported by the Daily Mail. Gawker is publishing it in full here for the first time; we have redacted addresses, telephone numbers, email addresses, and the last names of individuals who may have been underage victims.) Rodriguez didn’t share it with the FBI or Palm Beach Police… Read more »

mark
mark
Jul 18, 2019 5:19 PM
Reply to  Maggie

I was surprised Prince Andrew continued to associate with Epstein after he was jailed and a registered sex offender. Maybe he was trying to get the tapes and CDs off him. Old Andy got an almighty bollocking off Her Maj down the Palace and Charles refused to speak to him.

Tim Jenkins
Tim Jenkins
Jul 14, 2019 12:39 AM
Reply to  George Cornell

Bingo, i just wrote about that Epstein ‘mother’ to BigB before scrolling down and seeing your comment and the Ghislaine Maxwell connections that lead to mega scandals still today in Bulgaria.. you might like to scroll up , George… Glad to see somebody else is performing due diligence and studying the laws of Physics & Swarming, still, whilst we have some air to breathe and mark’s awake to it all seemingly too: Yep, OffG really need an article on the media blackout on the Maxwells and the Multigroup & Neva Bulgarian Tech. operations of Maxwell & Epstein and the CIA and our Talmudic Zionist friends have been pulling another fast one, with R.Kelly thrust again into the limelights as distraction, amongst so much other crap to cover up Legal Liabilities , sealed indictments and Prince Andrew’s butt and not to mention the Clintons … (whoops), i’ll never comment again until… Read more »

George Cornell
George Cornell
Jul 14, 2019 12:51 AM
Reply to  Tim Jenkins

Enjoyed your comments. I really think the Epstein case may be a Rosetta Stone for categorizing the media. As you say so much key info has been opacified. This is amenable to systematic dissection. Any takers?

Ruth
Ruth
Jul 13, 2019 11:57 AM

Ordinary people of the world have power en masse so why don’t they get together and in their everyday lives refuse to buy goods from the states they see as damaging the world, their world.

DunGroanin
DunGroanin
Jul 13, 2019 12:20 PM
Reply to  Ruth

When we did before with Apartheid South Africa – it nudged the likes of Barclays and Cape and co-operative shops into action.

When little ole grannies understand which grapes and apples to buy in obscure little towns, because of a single demonstrator – the world moves.

That is why the BDS movement is bring attacked from on high to protect Apartheid Israel using extreme legal contracts.

harry law
harry law
Jul 13, 2019 11:44 AM

“The strong do what they can and the weak suffer what they must.”[Thucydides] So true, unfortunately for the US the weak are growing stronger by the day, here are a few examples, the US gave Germany two instructions 1/ Stop the Nord Stream 2 pipeline, the US Ambassador to Germany, over the heads of the German government, warned companies involved in the project directly in letters of the punitive sanctions they faced, so far the project continues, this is very important for Germany, cheap gas to heat German homes and to make German Industry even more competitive, and at the same time asserting its independence from an overbearing US diktat. 2/ Trump wants Germany to increase its NATO spending to 2% of GDP hoping to eventually reach 4%, bearing in mind Germany’s GDP is over 4 Trillion dollars these are fantastic sums, Germany refused, in fact its projected NATO defence… Read more »

Mikalina
Mikalina
Jul 13, 2019 11:31 AM

Time for the revolution, is it, Andre. I was hoping for a few more years of quietism.

George Cornell
George Cornell
Jul 13, 2019 10:37 AM

Bush and Trump have many things in common but “honesty” is not one of them. In some ways Trump expresses the ugly warped values from the US that have always been there, but you must have been being ironic. Public lies are served at every meal. Otherwise, I agree with nearly everything said. When I was a boy, angst about nuclear war was in every mind and now 60+ years later, it remains in mine. Arrested development, Made in the USA.

William HBonney
William HBonney
Jul 13, 2019 9:42 AM

For all that Trump is a piss poor president, he hasn’t started a war (all his are inherited), what we are seeing is a negotiating strategy.

For all his bluster, I don’t think Trump will attack Iran, he isn’t particularly military minded.

Idiot Savant
Idiot Savant
Jul 13, 2019 3:25 PM

When are you going to realise that Trump is a puppet of the Pompeo, Bolton, Abrams, Pence complex ? Never, I think, judging by the tenor of your postings

William HBonney
William HBonney
Jul 13, 2019 4:30 PM
Reply to  Idiot Savant

Never attribute to malice what can adequately explained by incompetence.

wardropper
wardropper
Jul 13, 2019 10:20 PM

And never attribute to incompetence what can be adequately explained by decades of scrupulous and unscrupulous planning.

Guy
Guy
Jul 13, 2019 6:45 PM

“I don’t think Trump will attack Iran”
To be honest , he might not be war president but the main reason he will not attack Iran is his wanting another term as president .War ,which Americans don’t want , would certainly
seal his defeat in the next election . Although the electoral college which determines who is elected , in my opinion , is skewed part of what they call democracy .

DunGroanin
DunGroanin
Jul 14, 2019 12:59 AM

So Trump speaks grossly and crassly loudly, but carries a little stick, in his pants!

mark
mark
Jul 14, 2019 2:50 AM

He will do what Adelson, Singer and Marcus tell him to.
He’s just the trained monkey, they’re the organ grinders.

vwbeetle
vwbeetle
Jul 13, 2019 9:21 AM

I will be blunt. It has reached the point where everyone needs to tell the USA and Israel to fuck off.

Ruth
Ruth
Jul 13, 2019 11:59 AM
Reply to  vwbeetle

More than that – action needs to taken

wardropper
wardropper
Jul 13, 2019 10:26 PM
Reply to  Ruth

I think telling somebody to fuck off is action.
Such blunt terminology no longer comes under the heading, “Diplomacy”.
One just has to make sure it is addressed to the right people.

It’s their choice whether to comply.
And if they don’t, it’s Stage 2 of the inevitable counter-measures.
Sane mankind – what’s left of it – simply demands it.

UreKismet
UreKismet
Jul 13, 2019 7:59 AM

I’m sure I wasn’t the only reader who was meandering through this diatribe, neither roused nor revolted until I got to “Both George W. Bush and Donald Trump have one thing in common: they are honest.” WTF! Yeah, Clinton & Oblamblam are as crooked as they come – no argument there, but trying to describe either shrub, the orange moron or both, as honest, is being as deceitful and dishonest as they are. eg shrub knew damn well there were no weapons of mass destruction in Iraq just as he knew the only way he was gonna get the energy corps off his back for the tens of millions of bucks they gave him for his campaign, was to stick to the deal, invade Iraq then force the Iraqis to sign up to 30 year oil leases. The trouble was he and his helpers weren’t sharp enough and the Iranians… Read more »

Wilmers31
Wilmers31
Jul 13, 2019 7:32 AM

It cannot go on and the issue is widening, too. Turkey is taking delivery of Russian S 400 and must be sanctioned according to the law. Sanctioning a NATO country – interesting.
India seems set to also purchase the S 400 and will also be sanctioned.

America will sanction so many adversaries that she will be on her own, hopefully soon before more destruction.

Us few in Australia cannot do much against our rulers who always cave in to licking America’s behind. In September our PM Morrison goes to Washington for a State Dinner with his handler. It is quite distressing to see the rulers do the wrong thing and spend so much money on assisting in America’s addiction to destroy countries.

George Cornell
George Cornell
Jul 13, 2019 11:01 AM
Reply to  Wilmers31

Australia has become a US mini-me and risks being known forever as its little star struck servant. Cannot for the life of me understand it.

Nondimenticare
Nondimenticare
Jul 13, 2019 7:53 PM
Reply to  George Cornell

Canada too. Ditto.

George Cornell
George Cornell
Jul 13, 2019 8:39 PM
Reply to  Nondimenticare

Not quite as bad since the odious Harper was found surplus to requirements but surely no angel.

wardropper
wardropper
Jul 13, 2019 10:30 PM
Reply to  George Cornell

I think the explanation is simply the organized placement of key people in key positions all over the western world over the last decades.
We have reached the point where normal people no longer occupy such positions, with extremely rare exceptions.

George Cornell
George Cornell
Jul 13, 2019 11:02 PM
Reply to  wardropper

But there seems to be some general morality there based on my 6 visits. But none in foreign policy.

wardropper
wardropper
Jul 13, 2019 11:38 PM
Reply to  George Cornell

Isn’t that just the normal, overwhelming difference between people and their governments today?
The population don’t craft foreign policy. Only the elite get to do that.

George Cornell
George Cornell
Jul 14, 2019 12:13 AM
Reply to  wardropper

Yes, you are right. But you would think that those families who sent their innocent boys off to die in Afghanistan would care. Or has Australia succumbed to the US model of having the military at all sporting events, and to telling them they are all heroes, no matter how unemployable, how ignorant or how lacking in decency? And having their families actually believe it. It’s alright then?

wardropper
wardropper
Jul 14, 2019 2:33 AM
Reply to  George Cornell

I hope Australia hasn’t done that, although I don’t know much about the country at all.
It is perhaps relevant to mention here that a very good friend of mine said, several decades ago, “the real enemy (and oxymoron) is military thinking”.
Coming from a military family today isn’t the same as becoming a captain in the navy was two or three hundred years ago, and it must be difficult, as it always is, to question your very roots, when military thinking has been in the background of your entire life.
I suppose nobody imagines that THEIR offspring will perish in a non-cause which was totally invented by a neocon berserker a long time ago, and in somebody else’s country too, since that would be so unjust, right?

Wilmers31
Wilmers31
Jul 14, 2019 4:54 AM
Reply to  George Cornell

No, not yet but the glorification of the military is very, very widespread. The lies are, too, of course. I am a new Australian and it is all quite sickening because it is increasing. I do not know how many people are honestly on that anti-China/anti-Russia/pro US juggernaut. The military is generally not popular and despite having been forced, the Vietnam returnees were spat at and got tomatoes in their faces. That has only changed marginally because returned soldiers hardly find work. But they must be quite afraid because the establishment gets more intense all the time. They had a big recruiting campaign and only had 600 applications when they needed 2,400. The money they spend on all military things is absolutely mind boggling, even including 500 million for an underground war museum in Canberra. The one thing in their favour is probably that nobody wants to be the one… Read more »

Antipropo
Antipropo
Jul 14, 2019 11:56 PM
Reply to  Wilmers31

I think 6 Collins class subs were built, I’m pretty sure there have never been more than 3 operational any given time. Repairs and lack of trained crews the main issues. I lived in Adelaide where they were built; despite being “top secret” anyone with a dinghy could motor down the Port River and see the arse end of a couple hanging out the back of the shed. What a fuckin joke. For certain none of those subs, part of the grossly misnamed “Australian Defence Force” have ever fired a shot in anger. It’s just part of the price we pay for the “protection” of the US. Many over here need to recall that the so called “Brisbane line”was a plan to concede Japanese conquest of Australia north of Brisbane.

Jen
Jen
Jul 18, 2019 12:15 AM
Reply to  George Cornell

Dear George,

You would certainly not want to be visiting Australia during the second half of April each year, when the media is full of Anzac stories and propaganda.

You also would want to avoid watching television and reading the newspapers – so-called “quality” and “tabloid” papers, they are all no different from one another in their glorification of the military and their deliberate conflation of sport and sport celebrities with faux military “virtues” – and to avoid the various football Grand Final events in September and the Melbourne Cup horse race in November each year.

George Cornell
George Cornell
Jul 18, 2019 12:25 AM
Reply to  Jen

Thanks Jen. Not surprised. American mores have seeped into Canada in this context. So baseball games in Toronto routinely have a public military presence with uniformed overfed officer preening in the adulation of the crowd, but at least there is no flyover by jets like has become customary in the US. It is sickening and embarrassing.

mark
mark
Jul 14, 2019 2:42 PM
Reply to  wardropper

They are either simply bought, with bags of money, or blackmailed for paedo and similar activities.

Jen
Jen
Jul 18, 2019 12:32 AM
Reply to  George Cornell

“Australia has become a US mini-me and risks being known forever as its little star struck servant. Cannot for the life of me understand it.”

Try reading these articles and you will see the problem in Australian federal and state politics that most of us Australians aren’t aware of.

“The religious minority seizing power in the Liberal Party”

“The Devil and Scott Morrison: What do we know about the prime minister’s Pentecostalism?”

“As Australia becomes less religious, our parliament becomes more so”

When politicians in Australia’s two main political parties are coming from more marginal evangelical Christian streams (even within the mainstream Christian denominations) at a time when most Australians are becoming more secular, that tells you the country is heading towards becoming some sort of theocratic oligarchy. This certainly has implications for Australia’s future foreign policy, especially with regard to the Middle East and dealing with China.

George Cornell
George Cornell
Jul 18, 2019 12:07 PM
Reply to  Jen

Interesting and remarkably similar to the US. “Onward Christian soldiers” was not meant to be about invading, plundering, murdering and breaking treaties and conventions. Religion has been and is being used to justify all manner of abominable behaviour. Not what God, if there is one, had in mind, surely. Thanks for the links.

Gary Weglarz
Gary Weglarz
Jul 13, 2019 6:50 AM

The Orange One’s crime in the eyes of American and Western oligarchy is that he is such an obvious pathetic buffoon that he’s a really bad “look” for empire. It was so much easier for America and our Western “allies” to pretend dedication to our much talked about “humanitarian” values and concerns when we had ‘Slick Willie’ Clinton or Barack ‘Peace Prize’ Obomber doing their smooth charming engaging psychopathic jive for the camera, while they were bombing and killing of course. One can’t look around the West at leadership anywhere, however, without being completely appalled. Western governments now constitute what amounts to a large interlocking global criminal enterprise involved in everything from extortion, drug trafficking, mass weapons sales and gun running, human trafficking, illegal wars, starving civilians, supporting terrorists to use in our “regime change” crimes, massive financial crimes – you name the criminal activity – Western governments are sure… Read more »

Gary Weglarz
Gary Weglarz
Jul 13, 2019 6:54 AM
Reply to  Gary Weglarz

PS – you literally can’t keep up with the never ending unethical and criminal behavior of Western institutions and corporations:

https://medium.com/@caityjohnstone/top-assange-defense-account-deleted-by-twitter-ba5e4c3b3213

Tim Jenkins
Tim Jenkins
Jul 14, 2019 1:03 AM
Reply to  Gary Weglarz

Absofirkin’lutely unfirkin’believably criminal behaviours everywhere I look every step i take,
you nailed it Gary !

mark
mark
Jul 13, 2019 4:03 AM

Maybe we actually need another war to smash the United Snakes and Talmudistan once and for all. Maybe that is just what it takes, and afterwards, if anything is left, when the Exceptional And Indispensable Folk and the Chosen Folk have been incinerated, it will be possible to rebuild something better. Let the strutting little sawdust Caesars with their “big, beautiful weapons” have their war and see how much they like it. When this subhuman filth are starving and freezing in the rubble of their ruined cities, like Germany in 1945, watching their children die in front of them for lack of food and basic medicine, they will finally appreciate what they have inflicted on so many hundreds of millions for so many years. And maybe finally begin to clean up their act. But that’s what it will take. And nothing before in human history will ever have been so… Read more »

Antonym
Antonym
Jul 13, 2019 4:11 AM
Reply to  mark

Pathological hatred. Go to your KSA or China paradises to cure.

greg
greg
Jul 13, 2019 6:25 AM
Reply to  Antonym

howz langley bot boy?

milosevic
milosevic
Jul 13, 2019 8:04 AM
Reply to  greg
Gezzah Potts
Gezzah Potts
Jul 13, 2019 8:58 AM
Reply to  milosevic

Appreciate the link Milo. Trolls here, trolls there, trolls everywhere. Here in Australia, quite a few frothing, rabid zionist trolls who I’ve had more than a few unpleasant, unsettling run in’s with on various sites here. They’re like mushrooms after rain….

George
George
Jul 13, 2019 9:43 AM
Reply to  milosevic

Thank you for that, Milo. Suddenly a lot becomes clear. Though I suspect that this particular troll army is just a drop in the ocean. I wonder how many more of those centres exist. I have noticed e.g. that most web sites acquire comments at the rate of perhaps – at most – a dozen a day. But Brietbart can publish an article and, within a matter of hours, gather a few thousand comments – and the number goes up even as I watch. I suspect that Brietbart has a squadron of hack commentors who each pose as ten or more identities and all they do is sit there pumping out comments.

William HBonney
William HBonney
Jul 13, 2019 11:21 AM
Reply to  milosevic

Not Langley, Tel Aviv

Whenever one makes the accusation of paid commenting, one’s own record becomes suspect. Fess up, no way you do this for free.

George
George
Jul 13, 2019 3:04 PM

“Whenever one makes the accusation of paid commenting, one’s own record becomes suspect.”

By that logic, if you complain about someone carrying out genocide then you too must become suspect of genocide.

wardropper
wardropper
Jul 13, 2019 10:34 PM

I think “piffle” would be the operative word here.

Tim Jenkins
Tim Jenkins
Jul 14, 2019 1:41 AM

Fess up, no way you do this for free.

coz’ nobody with such midget minded deliberately provocative irritating Racist Sinophobic buzz words like yours WHB, always in such adamant distraction from or defence of any Zionist positioning, could be anything other than a pro-Apartheid Fascist loving Talmudic Tart > Fact

Projection & Transference, just in time for a Jeffrey Epstein sick kiddies story bed time reading of the Magic Roundabout & some Disney Fox News.

Mikalina
Mikalina
Jul 14, 2019 8:15 PM
Reply to  milosevic

And not to forget Cheltenham……

https://theintercept.com/2014/02/24/jtrig-manipulation/

Antipropo
Antipropo
Jul 13, 2019 6:33 AM
Reply to  Antonym

I thought about a polite and reasoned response but then go fuck yourself you dimwit, just seemed more appropriate.

Tim Jenkins
Tim Jenkins
Jul 14, 2019 1:27 AM
Reply to  Antipropo

Lol, I had a similar attack of lost patience elsewhere, earlier …
I feel ya’ all the way Antipropo 🙂 lmao

wardropper
wardropper
Jul 13, 2019 10:32 PM
Reply to  mark

No, Mark.
Another war smashes everything – us included.
That’s no option for any kind of future.

mark
mark
Jul 13, 2019 10:49 PM
Reply to  wardropper

Yes, but maybe it just can’t be avoided any more.
Maybe it should have happened already and we’re just living on borrowed time.
I thought we’d reached breaking point last April.

wardropper
wardropper
Jul 13, 2019 11:43 PM
Reply to  mark

Perhaps so, but let’s not give up and hasten it.
People cease to live useful lives when they think they are being led to extinction by lunatic leaders.
I have a hunch that the next ten years are not going to turn out the way those psychopaths would like in any case.
As others have suggested, they have used up all their moral ammunition, and they only have pure wickedness left.
That’s going to show.

mark
mark
Jul 14, 2019 3:08 AM
Reply to  wardropper

People I know who were around then said September 1939 came as a relief. They knew war was coming and had been continually living on their nerves for five years. That mental strain seemed worse than war itself. The Iranians have had to put up with this for 40 years, not five. If I were the Iranians I would respond aggressively to every provocation. They should have shot down the US plane as well as the drone. Some people say this is falling into a trap but I don’t accept that. Failure to react is just taken for weakness and leads to more provocations. If the plane had been shot down as well, the tanker would not have been hijacked. They should have seized a British ship the following day. For the same reason I think they should have withdrawn completely from the JCPOA a year ago and left the… Read more »

wardropper
wardropper
Jul 14, 2019 4:13 AM
Reply to  mark

I totally get your comment.
But frankly I think the Iranians, despite the appalling provocation, are showing considerable wisdom in not immediately giving the neocons their WW3.
The ultimate weapons available to both sides are no longer bows and arrows, or even tanks and warships, and I like to keep in mind Einstein’s prophecy that WW4 would be fought with sticks and stones . . .