Complexities of 5G and National Security

Renee Parsons

Image source: martes-specure.com

In case you missed the kickoff, there is an unprecedented ‘must win’ wireless race for the US to cross the 5G finish line before China as alluded to during the recent Senate Commerce Committee oversight hearing on the Federal Commerce Commission.

The details were thin with no real discussion on the need for 5G or its complexities including the  national security implications of China beating out the USA! USA! or any mention of its dangerous, toxic health consequences or the true implications on the Massive Internet of Things (MIOT) decoded as the Dastardly Dark Utopian Vision of Future Illusion which promises a generation of trans-humans

One already occurring aspect of the MIOT is when the overlap between government and the unelected tech giants becomes indistinguishable, representative democracy becomes passe.

During remarks at the White House in April (with Ivanka present to make her own comments), President Donald Trump said “Winning the race to be the world’s leading provider of 5G cellular and communication networks; we want to be the leader in this. We cannot allow any other country to out-compete the United States in this powerful industry of the future. We just can’t let that happen.  It is a race America must win.”

At stake, is at least a decade of global technological, economic and military dominance that would create three million new jobs, $500 billion in GDP and $275 billion in private sector investment. 

With over 300 million consumers, the US became the world’s tech and innovation hub as a result of its 4G global leadership.  Adding $100 billion to the GDP with wireless jobs that grew at 84% and a $950 billion app economy, the US became the world’s strongest wireless economy and world leader in mobile broadband.

As a result of its leadership, today’s largest tech stocks continue to drive the US economy with a technical expertise that spawned the US-based mega tech companies (Google/Amazon/MS/FB/Twitter/MS).  Many of those American-made companies have taken thousands of skilled jobs and lucrative contracts outside the US which is, after all, what the globalist agenda is all about. As 5G looms in an increasingly competitive global market, US dominance to sustain its competitive advantage is being put to the test.

National Security Council on 5G

Sometime in late 2017, the National Security Council briefed the Trump Administration on its recommendations for a comprehensive “Eisenhower National Highway System for the Information Age,” That system would include one centralized block network to be ‘built and run’ as a ‘nationalized’ government project with completion in three years in order to prevail against China.

The document concluded with “The best network from a technical, performance and security perspective will be single block, USG secured, and have the highest probability for project success.”

The White House denied nationalization as an option, pointing out that the NSC is one of many federal agencies which will weigh in on 5G.  At his April press briefing, Trump put the idea to rest with “And, as you probably heard, we had another alternative of doing it; that would be through government investment…. we don’t want to do that because it won’t be nearly as good, nearly as fast.


Nevertheless, the document provides the NSC’s national security perspective on 5G and insights on other decisions yet to be made.  Citing “cyber emergency we face on a daily basis” with a focus on ‘nefarious actors’ of ‘malicious intent,’ the NSC consistently warned that:

  • “China has achieved a dominant position in the manufacture and operation of network infrastructure”
  • “Fact: China is currently poised to lead the global deployment of 5G.”
  • “Huawei more than doubled its market share in an 18 month period and in several areas or routing, it has caught or surpassed market leader Cisco.”
  • “Notably the FBI continues to monitor market activity and risks associated with Huawei and ZTE…permanently tasking the FBI to work with other intelligence agencies to monitor and regularly report to Congress and the Administration on the market activities and risks of Chinese infrastructure vendors would be valuable for national security.”

Part of the NSC document included excerpts from a September 15, 2018 memo from former Department of Defense Secretary James Mattis with the following:

  • “China has assembled the basic components required for winning the AI arms race.”
  • “China has already catapulted into the lead for facial recognition to support its authoritarian regime.”

The CRS further identified China as “the dominant malicious actor in the Information Domain” in its June 12th “National Security Implications,” pointing out that China is “…likely to deploy the world’s first 5G wide-area network” and that “Huawei has signed contracts for 5G infrastructure in over thirty countries including US allies.”

Since China’s National Intelligence Law requires that “any organization and citizen shall support, provide assistance, and cooperate in national intelligence work, and guard the secrecy of any national intelligence work that they are aware of” and as the Chinese government “extended a $100 billion line of credit to Huawei to finance deals abroad,” some analysts believe the implications of a government – corporate collaboration is the installation of backdoors and increased surveillance – as if the US is squeaky clean on its collaborations with Google and Amazon or organizing a cyber weapon attack like Stuxnet.

Standardized Cell Siting

The NSC asked the question “Can we standardize siting requirements? USG or Industry” in recognition that each municipality across the country has different requirements and fees for siting small wireless facilities as required by 5G.   The NSC went on to suggest “use national security to force nationwide standardization of siting requirements” and that the “bottom line is that a three year deployment time is not achievable without a nationwide standard for siting.”

Since the telecom companies are entirely too cozy with the FCC, a national security declaration is unnecessary to achieve a de facto nationwide standard for siting approvals. 

In September 2018, the FCC obtained a Declaratory Judgment to Remove Regulatory Barriers for Deployment of Wireless Infrastructure for 5G Connectivity which will provide a ‘fast track’ to circumvent local delays to cell deployment.    In response, cities across the US are opposing the FCC’s attempt to override local control decision-making regarding the installation of 5G wireless infrastructure.

In the words of FCC Commissioner Brendan Carr:

The FCC is working to get government out of the way so the private sector can start building hundreds of thousands of cells needed for 5G.  We excluded small cell from costly review procedures designed for 100 ft assigned towers.  That decision cost $1.5 billion in red tape.  FCC took another step in streamlining the local permitting process.  That decision cut another $2 billion in red tape and will stimulate $2.4 billion in small cell deployments, 97% of which will be in rural and suburban communities.”

In addition, the Streamline Small Cell Deployment Act S.1699 was introduced on June 3 to ‘streamline’ the siting process for small cell deployment in rural and suburban areas.  It has been referred to the Senate Commerce Committee for a hearing.

US Telecom Manufacturing

Thanks to the 1995 NAFTA vote which began the redistribution of millions of skilled American jobs overseas and the extraordinary growth of American telecoms relocating jobs abroad, the NSC confirmed that:

Fact: US telecommunication manufacturers have all but disappeared” and that “Today only a handful of companies are postured to play a role in global 5G deployment” followed by the facile assurance that  “Equipment manufacturers have expressed a willingness to move manufacturing facilities to the US in support of 5G.”

In addressing the issue of protecting national security from a tainted foreign supply chain, Mattis suggested   “Added assurance can be gained by ensuring that we create an IT and telecommunications manufacturing base. By securing the supply chain, we can be assured that our network is built with safe components.”

The unavoidable question is that since a ‘safe and secure’ supply chain is of national security importance and that Chinese manufactured components could not be trusted and that American manufacturers would be the most reliable purveyor of the necessary 5G components,  how exactly will the US rely on ‘safe and secure’ components in the absence of its own manufacturing base?

Executive Order

On May 15th, President Trump signed an Executive Order declaring a ‘national emergency’ that

foreign adversaries are increasingly exploiting vulnerabilities in information and communications technology and services, in order to commit malicious cyber-enabled actions, including economic and industrial espionage.”

The Order bans American telecom firms and US allies from selling US-made components to foreign telecoms while creating a banned “Entity List” which will require a USG license for foreign telecoms in order to do business with US tech companies. 

The Order, which has broad bipartisan support, did not address existing security risks of foreign-made components currently embedded in US equipment while many rural carriers already rely on Chinese made equipment.  According to the Order, the US would stop sharing intel with allies who persist in using Chinese equipment, fearing intercepted messages or sabotage.

Within days of signing the EO, Intel, Qualcomm and other US tech companies announced that they would cut off critical software and components to Huawei while Google, which has AI research centers built inside China’s information sphere, has suspended its ties to Huawei and dropped its technical support for Android. 

As the US telecom industry comply with the Order that “any Chinese equipment in the network could pose potential security concerns,” some US tech allies suspended their dealings with Huawei while some American chipmakers found ways around the ban by dropping the US-made label.

In addition, the Senate Commerce Committee introduced the “US 5G Leadership Act” which will fund $700,000 for removal of all Huawei or ZTE equipment or services from the US existing network in order to secure the 5G deployment.

While at the recent G20 Summit in Osaka, Trump reached a tentative trade deal with President Xi Jinping (with Ivanka at the conference table) unexpectedly reversing his position that US firms be allowed to sell to Huawei where there are no national security issues but leaving final resolution with Huawei to the end of negotiations.

In response, the Department of Commerce, which maintains the Entity List, has suggested it plans to continue Huawei’s ‘presumption of denial’ as it applies to a request for a business license. The thorny question remains how the US protects its national security with the use of out-sourced foreign suppliers or well-meaning allies whose own security may have already been compromised.

To be continued….

Renee Parsons has been a member of the ACLU’s Florida State Board of Directors and president of the ACLU Treasure Coast Chapter. She has been an elected public official in Colorado, an environmental lobbyist with Friends of the Earth and staff member of the US House of Representatives in Washington DC. She can be found on Twitter @reneedove31


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Tim Hadfield
Tim Hadfield
Jul 21, 2019 6:02 PM

We do not want 5G.

Frank Speaker
Frank Speaker
Jul 20, 2019 8:45 PM

There’s a load of paranoid Marxist nonsense on this topic.

Amusing that Marxists are happy to use 2G, 3G and 4G daily…and their microwave ovens too.

I’m NOT saying that there may not be potential longterm impacts of EM upon humans, rather, my point is the utter hypocrisy of Marxists who complain one year about some tech and it leading to a dystopian and dangerous future, but then the next year they fully embrace and use the tech!

Jul 18, 2019 1:19 PM

Here in China, the government’s great firewall was a stated fact of life, and in spite of the fact that most of us, including the Chinese, use a vpn, and can access any site we choose, 5-g is a roller-coaster ride, under the control of the daily political whims of the people who rule..
Another government; for example one which relies on 17 spy agencies, and all of their corporate tech oligarchs’ are on board the spying boat, will ‘highly likely’ abuse their position for political leverage..

Jul 18, 2019 12:49 PM

Looks like the IRGC have seized an oil tanker off Iran.
Expect some big bangs any time soon.

Frank Speaker
Frank Speaker
Jul 20, 2019 8:31 PM
Reply to  mark

Completely off-topic

Tim Jenkins
Tim Jenkins
Jul 18, 2019 11:38 AM

Complexities of 5G & Na-

Follow the liability & relevant jurisdiction, Intel inside Israel …

HQ for CyberWarfare & Fascist Dictatorship of Corporations over sovereign governments,
running ‘Parallel Platforms’, even within “The History of the National Security State” of every
NATO member nation …

Think about this for a second, Treason has occurred in computing circles …

With Treasonous Gaslighting from State Medias !

William HBonney
William HBonney
Jul 18, 2019 12:16 PM
Reply to  Tim Jenkins

Better to be silent, and be thought of as a fool, than to speak, and remove all doubt….

Jul 18, 2019 4:44 PM

So why didn’t you remain silent?

Jul 18, 2019 6:13 AM

I have already posted in one of the other “horrors of 5g” threads my views on this current msm led expose of 5g – that 5g is no more carcinogenic that 1g, 2g, 3g 4g and the rest, so why the upsurge in fear driven exposes? – could it be related to the contemporary reality that China is the new leader in tech innovation and that the security concerns are more about five eyes’ inability to pressure Huawei et al into installing the sort of back doors which Cisco used to implement without demur, than concern for the PRC eavesdropping in ‘the west”. Simple logic tells us that western governments’ sheet sniffers are always going to be more interested in what western teenagers/opinion leaders/ wannabe pols are saying to each other on the down low than the PRC stickybeaks could ever be.

On the other hand I suppose it is sad for usains to observe that the ACLU has gone exactly the same way as the Southern Poverty Law Center, the American Red Cross, Amnesty and all the other once lauded NGOs – that is, just another weak-arsed apologist for imperialism neoliberal style. Tho equally I guess, many of ’em are already well-aware of this sad fact.

Dave Lawton
Dave Lawton
Jul 19, 2019 12:48 AM
Reply to  UreKismet

Yo are wrong about 5G it is the wavelength which is the problem.

Frank Speaker
Frank Speaker
Jul 20, 2019 8:35 PM
Reply to  Dave Lawton

3G and 4G is already a problem because it works at similar frequencies to your microwave oven. 5G is even higher frequency, but much lower power, so impact is not worse than what we have already. The REAL answer to avoid all issues is to turn off ALL microwave, hence mobile, but nobody will do that. 5G is not markedly worse for our health.

Jul 18, 2019 4:56 AM

Whether my land was stolen by the commie East Berliners or the capitalist West Germany from Bonn and Berlin Charlottenburg did not make a difference. They are ALL about controlling you into submission and take your assets.

There is no need to make it all easier with 5G, because it is easy already.

Huawei should have said that they’d build in backdoors for echelon and the NSA; then there wouldn’t be a need to ban them.

Jul 17, 2019 8:52 PM

What this all boils down to is this.
You can buy Huawei products, which are cheap and good quality, but which MAY be spying on you.
Or you can buy its US competition, which are expensive and poor quality, and which DEFINITELY ARE spying on you.

William HBonney
William HBonney
Jul 17, 2019 9:50 PM
Reply to  mark

What Google does, Baidu does in China. For Facebook, there is QQ, WhatsApp has an analogue in WeChat. It is accepted that both a western, or a Chinese cellphone will collect data on you.

The difference is, with a Huawei phone, you are likely to have the CCP listening in on you, via a backdoor in the chipset.

Chinese surveillance is so all encompassing that they listen in to WeChat voip calls and cut the connection if they don’t like the subject of your conversation (I have direct experience of this)- they were doing this five year s ago. This is how the Chinese authorities think. They control information, they control the people.

Jul 17, 2019 10:23 PM

We were told whatever you do, do not mention the three Ts in a phone call or email or you are on the plane back home…..

Jul 19, 2019 6:39 AM
Reply to  Mikalina

I remember the same thing in green from the Vietnam War times. Never come out against it or you will suffer the consequences (artists were blacklisted, others not promoted).

44 years ago Vietnam did turn communist and the world has fallen in a heap!!! Did not make one iota of a difference. You have to think of yourself first and like they did in East Berlin develop an antenna which opinion the system will not tolerate. Leave the critiquing to the oldies. They are expensive in prison and will therefore not be taken in so easily.

Jul 18, 2019 5:55 PM

With an Apple product, you are not “likely to have”, you definitely have the CIA/ NSA/ GCHQ listening in on you, and storing it for ever in the Jewnited Snakes for future blackmail purposes.

Jul 20, 2019 9:18 AM
Reply to  mark

Like a shark on a wire, snorting air. You can only hope you don’t lose your balance or your gills don’t dry up.

Jul 19, 2019 9:32 PM

Billy the Kid should know?

Jul 20, 2019 9:16 AM

“The difference is, with a Huawei phone, you are likely to have the CCP listening in on you, via a backdoor in the chipset.”

You don’t have a technical fucking clue, do you? So why you got a technical fucking opinion?

Jean Miller
Jean Miller
Jul 17, 2019 6:56 PM

I suspect it may be a waste of time , but I have a meeting arranged with some members of our local authority to discuss their ongoing use of glyphosate in weed spraying, and the imminent role out of 5G in our City. I just want to be able to know, on my death bed, that even though it was hopeless..I didn’t just let this shit slide without voicing my utter despair.

Jul 18, 2019 5:57 PM
Reply to  Jean Miller

I saw a woman buying glyphosate in Tesco. I was surprised it was still on sale, and told her about it. She put it back.

Jul 18, 2019 11:20 PM
Reply to  mark

Scary to see the big box stores in Las Vegas with shelves full of Roundup for sale. “Get your Roundup here!”
“Get your cancer toxins here!”

Jul 20, 2019 9:43 AM
Reply to  Jean Miller

I’ve inadvertently had such discussions with local council personnel, while officially talking about something else, with each of two local council officials. About 5G with their infrastructure supremo and about Roundup with their head gardener (soil and seed level operative). They both agreed with me on both topics (infrastructure guy: “fry your brains and track your farts”; gardening guy: “should be banned”) but both said taking it any higher, up to the executive floor or into the council chamber, would just be pissing into the wind: they’d tried already.

Jul 20, 2019 9:46 AM
Reply to  Robbobbobin

For “with each of two local council officials” read “with each of two local council operatives.

Jul 17, 2019 4:16 PM

Please do not publish my comment in moderation. I can’t be bothered with this any more. Que sera, sera. It’s nothing to do with me. I came into this because I wanted to know what the hell happened on 9/11. I have a fairly good idea now, so that is enough. People are too stupid and self absorbed to even care, so I don’t care anymore either. I am going to focus on music and I am going to try to protect myself from the effects of the rollout of this wicked 5G tech which is clearly intended to harm us. People still don’t care. I hate the United Kingdom, it’s a corporatised, plastic shithole and speaking to the people here, the vast majority are brainwashed morons. The level of ignorance and stupidity here is truly staggering. Rather than get wound up about it, I’d rather just be a smug twat, laughing inside at everyone I meet as I listen to their manufactured belief system parrot lies and horse manure.
This is all you need to know about 5G. Love to this guy, Joe Imbriano.
Urgent! Forbidden information,a must watch! 5G is a kill grid that will lead to forced vaccinations.

Jul 17, 2019 10:31 PM
Reply to  Mucho

Another one bites the dust – mission accomplished.

Jul 17, 2019 3:49 PM

One already occurring aspect of the MIOT is when the overlap between government and the unelected tech giants becomes indistinguishable, representative democracy becomes passe.

Is there anybody here who seriously does not think that the overlap is already indistinguishable?

Jul 17, 2019 3:12 PM

Remember that present human nature will misuse any technology: atomic energy into atomic bombs, mobile phones into mass self spy devices etc. ; 5G will be equally misused.

Who needs 5G? Totalitarians everywhere for more control plus various MNCs pushing total addiction to virtual life over real life for more profit.
IoT = IdioT.

Jul 17, 2019 2:46 PM

BIRD is the word


Watch Brendon O Connell 1-8 to get a feel for what is going on here. It is no accident that China is in this position. Kissinger seeds now bearing fruits. Brendon’s research is all about the technology transfer, US tech being sold to Russia and China through the back door via Israel who steals it from the US. They are collapsing the US and building up Russia and China. It’s happening right now. What you are seeing here is the result of this. He’s right. https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCjgMgpXmEI5EJSJGjSntWxA/videos

Benjamin Netanyahu, Fink’s Bar in Jerusalem
“If we get caught they will just replace us with persons of the same cloth. So it does not matter what you do, America is a golden calf and we will suck it dry, chop it up, and sell it off piece by piece until there is nothing left but the world’s biggest welfare state that we will create and control. Why? Because it is the will of God, and America is big enough to take the hit so we can do it again and again and again. This is what we do to countries that we hate. We destroy them very slowly and make them suffer for refusing to be our slaves.”

Bird Is The Word!

William HBonney
William HBonney
Jul 17, 2019 2:30 PM

The supposed Chinese lead in 5g technology is illusory. Huawei chip technology, one the face of it, home grown, is actually reliant on licensing from ARM, formerly, Apricot computers. Sanctions, and subsequent withdrawal of licensing would render Huawei products unsaleable outside of the middle kingdom.

An intelligent question here would be why Huawei would go to all the hassle of making their own chips, instead of doing what everyone else does, an buy in. The only plausible explanation is that there is something under the hood they don’t want us to know about. It is impossible to reverse engineer something as complex as a chip, so Huawei equipment really shouldn’t be used for secure applications. I’d contrast Huawei with Apple.. Apple once defied the FBI over device security, the idea that Huawei would act the same way with Chinese ‘law’ enforcement is a risible notion.

As for the notion that 5g is a health risk (plenty have posted that), can I be the first to say absolute bollocks. The only mechanism for cellular damage from electromagnetic radiation is ionisation, which requires a photon energy of 10 electronVolts or above. These photon energies occur for gamma, X Ray, and short wavelength ultra violet. Mid way through the UV range, electromagnetic waves cease being ionising, and hence cannot cause damage.

Jul 17, 2019 3:24 PM

Kevin Mottus confirms that they know what the mechanism is for how EMF causes cancer. Watch him in this presentation, all of it, then go through his reasearch. You are parroting industry lies. Just like smoking was harmless. Just like asbestos was harmless. You are the vermin who goes around telling people these things do not effect their health, when clearly they do, and science proves this. Stop working for the Devil, because that is what you are doing.

Read this document – go to page 57. Summary for you to read below. You are wrong. Stop lying.
Document title:
Year: 1977
Morphological, functional and biochemical studies conducted in humans and animals revealed that millimeter waves caused changes in the body manifested in structural alterations in the skin and internal organs, qualitative and quantitive changes in the blood and bone marrow composition and changes of the conditioned reflex activity, tissue respiration, activity of enzymes participating in the processs of tissue respiration and nucleic metabolism. The degree of unfavourable effect of millimeter waves depended on the duration of the radiation and individual characteristics of the organism.

Link: https://www.cia.gov/library/readingroom/docs/CIA-RDP88B01125R000300120005-6.pdf


William HBonney
William HBonney
Jul 17, 2019 11:22 PM
Reply to  Mucho

Took all of twenty seconds to find this


You useless bumnugget.

Jul 18, 2019 5:09 AM

Whenever Bonney is on the back foot which given his superficial take on tech is just about always, he resorts to angry abuse of other posters. In other words he is likely long retired & living off what he gleans from the glossy magazine tech writers who the rest of us know to be PR salespeople.

Anger has welled up until the worthless curmudgeon blossomed into the full blown bore we now see in just about every thread, spouting the ignorant detritus of mindlessly uninformed googling.
A more sociable defender of the unconscionable acts of empire would hang with his fellow travelers, but then he wouldn’t stick out like the balls on a blackfella’s dog, so we get him instead. See there is no justice.

William HBonney
William HBonney
Jul 18, 2019 7:53 AM
Reply to  UreKismet

This from Mucho

You are the vermin

If you can’t take it, don’t give it.

Martin Usher
Martin Usher
Jul 17, 2019 5:50 PM

The use of ARM processors, like many other components in a system, is subject to business decisions. ARM, like Intel’s x86 architecture, is widely used and supported so its an easy choice for a company that wishes to focus its resources on developing proprietary technology rather than reinventing the wheel. However, its not necessarily a good choice these days. I read only yesterday in a technical article about ARM starting to experience significant competition from RISC-V, something that was seen as a licensing issue. It may be — RISC-V is a collaborative, open source, development while ARM has upfront and per unit license costs — but given the current politicization of technology it may also be a prudent commercial decision. For a company like Huawei this may even make technical sense since the RISC-V architecture is far more suited to the needs of communications equipment than ARM (which was originally designed as a small footprint processor for running front panels and the like and certainly in its early versions was an unmitigated disaster for moving data).

The real action in purchased parts is FPGAs.** Xilinx has a big presence in 5G infrastructure units and is no doubt one of the American companies bellyaching about the whole Entity List business — it not only impacts their sales in the short term but if a major customer finds it in their best interests to switch to an alternative that business will be lost. For ever. Worse still, if an open core initiative takes off it will seriously undermine future business prospects of companies.

Anyway, the ‘supposed lead’ is in modem design and is very real, its reckoned to be between 2 and 5 years. Huawei and ZTE are also major players in the standards groups. The established US vendor(s) have been enjoying a virtual monopoly on 4G parts for some years and the revenues that flow from it (look up the recent Apple vs Qualcom patent licensing spat to get some idea of the money involved) so they’d be anxious to maintain that revenue stream. The obvious way to do this is to slow down the competition (and I’d expect that lawmakers are not only cheaper but easier to hire than engineers!).

** For the non-technical reader FPGAs — “Field Programmable Gate Arrays” — are logic blocks that are programmed by the user to make logic subsystems for their product, either to prototype it or for relatively small volume production runs. They can literally be made into anything. Their internal design is extremely intricate and the software needed to program them is quite complex so their architecture is not easy to copy. (Incidentally, a part like a processor is a relatively small set of equations to a FPGA; FPGA manufacturers offer either what they call ‘soft’ processors — precompiled logic to make a processor out of FPGA logic cells — or they build FPGAs with processors integrated into the design.)

William HBonney
William HBonney
Jul 17, 2019 6:54 PM
Reply to  Martin Usher

the ‘supposed lead’ is in modem design and is very real

If you had any experience of how China Unicom (and Mobile) had implemented 4g, you wouldn’t be so naive…

I have, and the speed is absolute shite.

Martin Usher
Martin Usher
Jul 17, 2019 7:42 PM

I’ve no doubt that the first attempts at building these parts were ‘sub optimal’. Developing wireless parts is a very time consuming and expensive business and will invariably result in missteps but the rewards are huge for those willing to make the investment and take the risk. I’ve been involved in a couple of wireless developments so have had a ringside seat in just how complex developing even a relatively straightforward 802.11 chipset can be. This took a major semiconductor manufacturer four generations and an eye watering amount of money to get it right — and they were starting from working (purchased) IP.

Anyway, given the resources that Huawei has available to deploy I have absolutely no doubt that they will be successful. The question we should be asking ourselves is “How best can we compete?”, not wasting our time reliving old James Bond movies.

Godfree Roberts
Godfree Roberts
Jul 18, 2019 11:01 AM

May 1, 2018: Chinese partners take over ARM’s operations in China and a permanent license to use ARM’s IP. ARM’s chip blueprint is used in ninety percent of mobile devices and Apple, Samsung, Huawei, Qualcomm, Broadcom and MediaTek license its technology to develop chipsets for smartphone, tablets, wearables and connected devices.

January 7, 2019. Huawei unveils the highest-performing ARM-based 7nm CPU, the Kunpeng 920, that boosts the development of computing in big data, distributed storage, and ARM-native application scenarios by 20%.

September, 2017: Huawei unveils its Kirin 970 chipset with built-in AI, dedicated neural processing, 5.5 billion transistors/sq. cm., 25x performance and 50x efficiency of ARM’s quad-core Cortex-A73 CPU cluster, drastically reducing cost, power consumption, weight and tower size.

Jul 17, 2019 2:15 PM

The way the cookie crumbles – in terms of ever further entanglement in deceit – is of being framed between the devil and the deep blue sea – such that the feared and believed greater evil, dictates the loss of power and consciousness to a seeming ‘lesser evil’ – that may be called collateral damage or ‘breaking eggs to make omelette – as the assumption and exercise of power OVER Life (self and others) rather than within Life.

To the mind captured within its own false or conflicted investment, fear of shame and pain of loss dictates seemingly lesser sacrifices that incrementally corrupt and hollow out the capacity to FEEL and KNOW Life – such as to be subordinated or ‘tooled’ as a proxy or asset for disconnected and loveless thinking that seeks possession and control as the delay or forfending of dispossession and loss of control – in a weaponised and marketised blindness to Integrity or wholeness of Anything and Everything.

The attempt to ‘GET RID’ of hated, shaming or feared self masks as the ‘becoming or discovering’ of an independent capacity to act out fantasies of self vindication or victory in vengeance – but always with the inherent flipside of suffering the measure of our own making as victim or subject to denials, treachery and abandonment. Power struggle through narrative deceits seeks to play a negative game of pass the parcel – such that the guilt and penalty falls to the ‘others’ and away from self – and this IS the development of systemic control through the insinuation and nurturing of guilt, hate and fear – in others – such as to undermine Communication to the ruse of ‘protections or false inflations of ‘power’ that leads to powerlessness.

That deceit masks in the forms of the true is because there is NOTHING ELSE to hide in. In this way the mind-capture or Narcissism of self-imaged thinking seeks to remake Life in its OWN image just as its sense of separateness from life obliges it to inhibit, deny and substitute for all that is integral to our original Nature – as an oppositional or conflicting ‘survival’ set against Life – and seeking sustainability instead of regeneration – which is the release of the possessive investment of a personal sense of control to a ‘Vibrational Field’ self-honesty or true desire.

So the remaking of the world as a global control system draws on and is supported by deep fears of pain of loss that manifest as aggressive survival within the framework of unconsciously invested thinking. The aggressive attack is the logical best defence against being attacked first – and so it operates a self-reinforcing negative loop.

There are many negative synergies that operate destructively in our mind and our world under guise of protection or as a basis from which to draw a sense of power set against powerlessness – but all have a common root. While there is a call to give true witness into a ‘post truth’ intent of global social engineering and granular system control via the Internment of Things, this needs be within a Call to Joy – (or any of the primary and Felt-Known qualities of being). Wholeness or Integrity as Integrality is Already Connected and already in and of Communication – but we have lost the trust in our own timing as a result of interjecting thought-control into every movement of a true need.

Frameworks of thinking MAY point to or serve the heart of a true or resonant recognition, but this calls for aligning in Purpose For wholeness of being instead of being phished by fear, doubt, division of conflict and all that then demands ‘management’ as an unconscious alignment in fear masking as Order set over and against chaos.

Chaos in this sense is the result of ‘control’ that once invested in and believed, cannot be easily released.

Jul 17, 2019 11:52 AM

How about changing the conversation abouth 5G from discussion of National Security (Spying) to one about National Security (Health & Safety)

That 5G is being discussed as a done deal, without it being kicked into touch under health and saftey concerns says much for the majority of the population that is still asleep.

Jul 17, 2019 11:36 AM

The ‘MIOT’; 5G; and technocratic cyber-surrealism are the science fiction enaction of humanities virtualised insanity. They are not so much symptomatic as causal. Technology enables desire to be fixated in a displaced imaginal set somewhere in the ‘fictive future’. So much as we can actualise such things as ‘5G’ today: then the seeming future is a conceivable reality …yet one which remains as imaginary and unreal. I call it the ‘ASI-Ubermensch’. Ellul called it ‘technique’. It cannot happen …because of entropy.

The internet is the fifth largest ‘country’ in the world, in terms of energy consumption. Bitcoin is bigger than Belgium. ASI-Fintech is a huge energy drain, even now. The MIOT, coupled with the ‘Eurasian Information Infrastructure’ (in which 5G is being used as a technological ‘carrot’ which China will share with strategic partners); the fintech financialisation of everything; surveillance capitalism and BigData IT-databanking will shortly be the biggest energy consumer on the planet …for what? Has anyone considered the health effects of all this ‘speed of light’ space-time compression on consciousness? Is that where we want the remaining resources to go – to make the ASI-redundancy of humanity and commodification of consciousness infinitely faster? For whom?

In a finite world: energy is a zero-sum game. It cannot be created or destroyed: only allocated by imperialism. One countries MIOT is another countries drought and famine. And even intra-nation state: technocracy will be metropolised and centred around information capital accumulation. The metropolis and satellites will drain the resources from the general populace. Technocracy promises a Ballardian/Phil-Dickian/Huxleyian and Orwellian dystopia rolled into one. One that costs the earth.

Technology is imaginary. OK: some of it is real …but that reality only extends the technocratic imagination into the future …where greater and liberational technocracy will allow us to consume for free and augment the mortal limitations of consciousness …perhaps forever in a neo-Platonic transcendant trans-human heaven of virtual Forms…

Err, Hello technocratic phildick-brain …we do not have the physical resources to make your metaphysical ‘ASI-Ubermensch’ formalise and substantiate …not without making 99% of humanity the technochratic unemployable post-work ‘Untermensch’.

Technology; progress; and deferred prosperity are the unholy trinity of present dehumanisation. Consciousness is ’embodied’ and will never be ‘disembodied’ and downloadable on to a chip. A broader philosophical discussion would reveal the the entire ‘ontotheoligical’ system of current thought is disembodied – from the pre-Socratics, Plato, Aristotle – through Descartes – and beyond. We essentially have the same inability to be fully human that we have always had. Humanity, for us, is always somewhere else …somewhere only accessible by technological means.

Perhaps we should accommodate the consciousness we have already: before we trade it in for an algorithmic machinic-mind of pure technological rationality …but no humanity. Nature is slow: and not available for instantaneous download …or non-local ‘disembodied’ dominion (switching on the kettle when you are ten minutes from home: Meh!). We’ll miss it when it has gone and we exist as binary code in the Matrix of the Singularity.

Technology for the sake of technology (is technique) for the sake of the technocratic ASI-Ubermensch consciousness hackers. We do not need to augment and instantiate a specific overclass: not when we realise that the consciousness we have already got is vastly superior to its digitalised counterpart. One with which we can perhaps still save nature from techno-dominion and destruction? And in doing so: save ourselves from a technological technocratic cyber-fascist dystopia.

Godfree Roberts
Godfree Roberts
Jul 17, 2019 11:11 AM

Our media have been strangely silent about 2Q 2019 stats:

Huawei’s handset sales rose 50% and Apple’s fell 30%;

Huawei won 63% of all 5G equipment contracts;

Huawei will ship 5G handsets next month – a full year ahead of Apple.

Jul 17, 2019 11:55 AM

Godfree, my dear friend: the media silence to the 2Q 2019 stats (inasmuch as they are not totally fabricated) is precisely because they spell slow-motion implosion of the entire capitalist economic system. Expect negative yield bonds, subzero rates, and plenty of ‘easing’ as the virtual printing presses are set to permanent print. Powell, Carnage, Draghi/Lagarde are panicking to pretend they are not panicking.

A few handsets will make no difference. Or are you just looking at the PBoC’s own phony GDP data? Everything else screams global recession.

Godfree Roberts
Godfree Roberts
Jul 17, 2019 12:23 PM
Reply to  BigB

I’ve been expecting the slow-motion implosion of the entire capitalist economic system for sixty years.

The only time I didn’t expect it was in 2007, when I borrowed $1 million to buy out my partner and the business collapsed the following year!

I’ve also been following the PRC’s stats for 60 years and have yet to see even one of them falsified. Can you provide an example?

Jul 18, 2019 10:46 AM

I already did: $37tn of debt that ‘appeared’ in the PBOC’s own data in 2016. Not so much falsified, as ‘forgotten’. Which, at 106% of debt to GDP, suddenly doubled China’s hidden debt bomb. Whoops, I wonder why they were hiding that for a decade? Dealing with the situation will be “painful” said an official. (I already posted the links if you remember).

GDP is a completely fake statistic. It fails to differentiate productive and non-productive ‘growth’. It is also a political hot potato: with academic and policy papers claiming only ‘dictators’ fake GDP. However, if you accept that everyone fakes GDP: it does not necessarily negate the research.

GDP on its own tells you nothing, anyway. So the propaganda minefield can be avoided. We need to be looking at Minsky’s dataset – as advocated by Steve Keen – and relating GDP to debt ratios …particularly private debt. (Keen has about 3 websites since he moved to Patreon. I’ve lost track of the page of data he refers to.)

Nonetheless: the important dynamic is debt servicability …not size of debt or growth of GDP individually. Debts grow exponentially. GDP must at least equal rate of debt service: otherwise any extra GDP is merely going to service debt. It is not ‘growth’ at all. It does not represent new tangible economic expansion – merely increased borrowing and debt. In other words, everyone’s data is false, because the parameters are false.

Crucially, and counter-intuitively, paying down debt decreases economic activity. As debts continue to grow beyond the rate of economic GDP ‘growth’ – debt servicability becomes more and more “painful”. Open market operations – ‘easing’ – is a short term solution. But monetising debt to pay debt is Ponzification – which is exactly what everyone is doing …China at the rate of borrowing 23% of GDP per annum.

The heterodox economists have explained this all, time and time again. Debts that cannot be paid, will not be paid. But it is the servicability of debt – not the mass of debt – that matters.

China’s over-reported ‘growth’ has been falling from double digits to 6.2% in Q2. This does not tell us anything, on its own. How much of that growth is ‘growth’? How much is consumed as debt servicing, rollovers, retstructuring, exotic financial instruments, etc? How much of that is just ‘printing’?

An economy built on the “biggest private equity bubble” in the history of capitalism (as Keen puts it) – expanded solely since 2008 – with contracting quarter on quarter growth rates will inevitably reach its debt inertia ‘Minsky Moment’ and enter crisis.

The argument that it has not happened yet, so it never will, is a weak one. Capitalism has had a series of catastrophic crises in that time …not least in ’87 and ’07. I maintain capitalism died in ’07-’09 as the ‘recovery’ was merely the cosmetic masking effects of credit/debt cycles. GDP and stock market ‘growth’ is mainly the financialisation of debt and derivatives of debt …and credit adventurism to pay the debt. The ‘real’ productive economy is flatlining and declining due to entropy. But that is another ballgame; measuring economics in terms of bio-physical flows.

Most broadly: capitalism cannot expand exponentially at any rate of growth. Even 3% produces a 23 year doubling (and a 46 year doubling of the doubling). Exponential debts rise exponentially; real GDP must decrease due to entropy; and monetising debt to cover the difference can only lead to one outcome. It is the most simple of axioms: you cannot expand exponentially in a finite bound system …you cannot. Yet the whole world economics is built on the imaginary pretence that you can. You can’t: its that simple.

Finally: we have no isolatable entities in the global market economy: everything is interdependent with everything else …as ’87 showed. Crisis will be global: because the price mechanism is the transmission mechanism – as Jack Rasmus has shown. Every asset class is a proxy for every other asset class – China is not immune or separate. If a liquidity crisis develops in the offshore euromarkets – particularly the dollar market – every nation on earth will be drawn in. And China has been suffering from a dollar shortage for a while now. Currencies – particularly for export nations – rely on the dollar. 60 years is a long wait. Unfortunately for us all: we shouldn’t have to wait much longer. Extend and pretend with easing can only last so long.

Godfree Roberts
Godfree Roberts
Jul 18, 2019 11:06 AM
Reply to  BigB

You haven’t provided an example of anything. You simply added one unsupported allegation to another.

As to ‘we have no isolatable entities in the global market economy: everything is interdependent with everything else,’ when our economy imploded in 2008, China’s kept roaring along–while keeping its debt at the same level as ours and entirely domestic.

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Jul 18, 2019 2:18 PM

If you are saying that Keen, Hudson, Rasmus et al can’t back up their assertions with solid data sets: I’m afraid you are completely wrong, Godfree.

And I’m not sure whose data you are looking at: apart from central bankers. Those I have named either are, or were, Professors of Economics of long standing. The dynamics I have outlined are iterated and reiterated over and over in their published work. If you want a specific reference: I always recommend “Systemic Fragility in the Global Economy”.

Here is an extract from a recent post that substantiates what I said:

The US halting of interest rate hikes in 2019 may relieve pressure on emerging market economies somewhat in 2019. But that easing will be more than offset by China’s 2019 economic slowdown now underway. In the second half of 2018 investment, consumer spending, and manufacturing all slowed markedly in China. Officially at 6.6% for 2018, according to China statistics, China’s real economy is no doubt growing less than 6% due to the methods used to estimate growth in China. Its manufacturing began to contract in late 2018, and with it a significant slowdown in private investment and even consumer spending on autos and other durable goods. China’s slowing will mean less demand for emerging market economies’ products and commodities, including oil and industrial metals. A respite for emerging market economies from the US dollar rising will thus be offset by China slowing.


The global economy is global: I can’t see what the problem is in getting this. Fed rate rises cause emerging markets to submerge; and China’s slowdown exacerbates the problem – because everything is interdependent in a global economy. The mediator is the euromarkets in the dollar reserve.

As for China’s ‘growth’ post-2008: it was due to the largest debt funded internal public works campaign ever undertaken. But much of the infrastrucure and ‘Ghost Cities’ remain as ‘non-peforming’ debt. That is where the bulk of the offbook shadow banking liabilities came from in the PBoC’s own data. Rasmus has a whole chapter on China’s “Triple Bubble” economy that stems from that date – entitled “China: Bubbles, Bubbles, Debt and Troubles”

Excessive industrial and monetary policy is unsustainable, and will have significant negative externalities on the global economy. The next financial crisis, in China, will come from the excessive extension of credit from both fiscal and monetary authorities, and will come from government and corporate bond market defaults, as the system is severely over-leveraged. China is using more and more debt to fix bad debt problems, and the simulative multiplier-accelerator effect on the economy is deteriorating (decelerating) quickly.

This is a precis from a review. If you want the full monty on the data and mechanisms – you’ll have to buy the book. I cannot recommend enough that you do. People do not seem to be able to grasp that the global economy is global. And the fragility stems from this very fact. And the fintech financialisation of everything speeds up data transfer …only to make things worse. Have you heard of the ‘flash crash’ and trading algorithms that will kick in in a volatile market. It goes global in minutes: as it did in ’87 …while traders scramble to shutdown.

We do not learn: we just speed things up …making the global economy incredibly vulnerable to shocks or loss of confidence. A perceived false correction will trigger robots to sell and …

The reality is our economic and financial system are extremely fragile, and we are facing ever higher systematic-systemic credit default (illiquidity) risk, and another severe financial crisis, great recession and depression, as our tools and system are ineffective and broken.

From the review. The reviewer is quite well qualified too, which adds to the validation of Keen, Hudson, and Rasmus’ “unsupported allegations” I drew on.


Jul 18, 2019 4:46 PM
Reply to  BigB

People rant so much tosh about China and its alleged impending economic collapse but every time it is just the sort of nonsense Rasmus wrote, which for some particularly odd reason has been quoted in the BigB post as a plus for the US. It states that is the so-called collapse in China’s economy is just a minor slowing in growth. Growth that has far exceeded that of any large western economy from the 90’s right through this century.
Right here is a chart of US growth since 1990, as you can see apart from a brief period in the late 90’s when growth ran just over 4% annually, the US economy hasn’t run at above 4% in a very long time.

On the other hand this chart of China’s growth which unfortunately doesn’t go back that far and so omits the extended period in the noughties when Chinese growth was regularly above 10%, it does show that between July 2016 and July 2019 growth in China has always remained well above 6%.

When one considers that the US GDP figures are somehow enhanced by debt – that is to say an increase in borrowing is translated across to an increase in GDP, it is germane to consider whether the US has experienced any real growth at all or if its alleged increased GDP is in fact merely a reflection of the vastly increased debt load on the US economy. In the US there has been considerable growth in corporate debt, personal debt and government debt.

This article written in 2017 discusses the fact that public sector debt alone was running at $20 trillion back then and questions whether loan sources are drying up, while this 2018 piece points out that treasury borrowed close to a $trillion for that year alone. This was an 84% increase on the previous year. Apparently paying back never figures into the calculation since every year more is added by borrowing more to ‘roll over’ the existing debt.

This article discusses how it is that debt grew so large in the US. One of the most concerning issues for any US citizen must be that the biggest public holder of treasury debt is social security. Citizens have been assiduously paying for their retirement but Uncle Sam has been equally dedicated about sneaking the contributions away to buy guns etc, off of the corporations with the most ‘persuasive’ lobbyists. All the better to run their unsuccessful but expensive & cruel wars with.

HTF? is all of that going to be paid back to ensure say, millennials can have any sort of retirement in 50 years? More likely there will be more tax breaks for the rich, but the average shit kicker won’t be getting the heat off of a DC boondoggler’s shit much less any income or medical support.

I cannot for the life of me comprehend why it is that so many americans have been persuaded to believe that China’s economy going tits up would be a good thing. Right here we are told that China is the biggest foreign holder of US debt – chiefly treasury bonds.

If China ever ran short of a quid, particularly if it was caused by US posturing to voters about tariffs etc, the Chinese could unload US paper to pick itself up and deal the US a big whammo in the process. I mean why not; if the US steps on trade with China, then China unloading treasuries and further depressing the US economy would be all upside for them economically & politically.

In a nutshell, comparing China’s and the US’ economy is akin to lining the beach bodybuilder up against the 90lb weakling.

Godfree Roberts
Godfree Roberts
Jul 18, 2019 11:49 PM
Reply to  BigB

Permabears like Keen, Hudson, Rasmus et al can back up their assertions with solid data sets. So can I. So can you. They don’t amount to a hill of beans.

Nov 1, 2006 – “Jack Rasmus in his new book, Obama’s Economy: Meanwhile, economic growth is rapidly slowing in China..”
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Western economists have always been wrong about China’s economy. They are not useful arbiters of national economies–especially one that runs on different principles to theirs, is much bigger, more diverse, and growing three times faster than any in history. Here’s what I mean:

1990. China’s economy has come to a halt. The Economist
1996. China’s economy will face a hard landing. The Economist
1998. China’s economy’s dangerous period of sluggish growth. The Economist
1999. Likelihood of a hard landing for the Chinese economy. Bank of Canada
2000. China currency move nails hard landing risk coffin. Chicago Tribune
2001. A hard landing in China. Wilbanks, Smith & Thomas
2002. China Seeks a Soft Economic Landing. Westchester University
2003. Banking crisis imperils China. New York Times
2004. The great fall of China? The Economist
2005. The Risk of a Hard Landing in China. Nouriel Roubini
2006. Can China Achieve a Soft Landing? International Economy
2007. Can China avoid a hard landing? TIME
2008. Hard Landing In China? Forbes
2009. China’s hard landing. China must find a way to recover. Fortune
2010: Hard landing coming in China. Nouriel Roubini
2011: Chinese Hard Landing Closer Than You Think. Business Insider
2012: Economic News from China: Hard Landing. American Interest 
2013: A Hard Landing In China. Zero Hedge 
2014. A hard landing in China. CNBC
2015. Congratulations, You Got Yourself A Chinese Hard Landing. Forbes 
2016. Hard landing looms for China. The Economist
2017. Is China’s Economy Going To Crash? National Interest
2018. China’s Coming Financial Meltdown. The Daily Reckoning.

I’ve been studying China’s economy much longer and much closer than Jack Rasmus.

Your précis of Rasmus’ claims, “The next financial crisis, in China, will come from the excessive extension of credit from both fiscal and monetary authorities, and will come from government and corporate bond market defaults, as the system is severely over-leveraged. China is using more and more debt to fix bad debt problems, and the simulative multiplier-accelerator effect on the economy is deteriorating (decelerating) quickly,” is nonsense.

China is under-leveraged compared to the West: its debt burden is one-third ours, all of it is domestic and most of it is inter-departmental IOUs.

Nor does Rasmus examine debt quality: Chinese debt quality is excellent, with asset coverage of 4.8:1. Nor is there any sign that China is using more and more debt to fix bad debt problems. IF anything, that’s a characteristic of US and EU economies, not China’s.

Here’s a glimpse of where some of China’s ‘debt’ lies.

It tells the past, the present and the future:
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Jul 19, 2019 7:32 PM

No serious economists or anyone in the industry use “The Economist” any more. It is widely recognised as being so ideologically driven and biased that its content is virtually worthless. It is the Neocons’ house magazine.

Martin Usher
Martin Usher
Jul 17, 2019 8:37 AM

I’ve worked in the networking field for many years, a lot of it involved in developing tools and techniques for testing protocols and device and network performance. This is a very big field so I won’t pretend to know about everything but my considered judgment listening to the thrashing around of our government is that they are pretty much ‘full of it’. Its embarrassing. They may fool chunks of the electorate, they’re certainly fooling each other but they’re not going to fool professionals. They also need to recognize that while the US has a lot of skilled and clever people so do other societies; we never had a monopoly on brains, it was our entrepreneurship and organization that originally put us out in front.

As has been pointed out, working in this business has been an exercise in decline for many years. After the boom years of the 1990s we were treated to layoff after layoff as cost cutting and outsourcing became the primary management tools. Engineering was tedious, capital intensive and time consuming, far better to buy the kit in ready made and badge engineer it and who better to make it than the Chinese — helpful, eager and, above all, cheap. We could make product in the US but why bother? We can offload a lot of capital intensive work and make extra cents on the dollar by just handing the work over. Obviously we need to get them used to global supply chains, manufacturing organization and techniques but they’re eager pupils (and yes, we know that the local workforce was muttering about ‘giving away the farm’ but farms are messy and muddy, we don’t need to know about this sort of thing, food arrives in our markets ready wrapped).

We’re now in a situation where we’ve got a chronic shortage of skilled engineers (hiring has been difficult for at least 15 years now) and a bunch of corporations that are all but shell operations. Rewinding this is going to take time, effort and investment. What is not going to work is the kind of pronouncements we’re getting from government; it has all the ring of marketing BS with an added dash of paranoia — the pols and pundits have noticed that a lot of skilled people are foreign born — many are Chinese — so now we’re hearing about ‘infiltration’ and ‘spying’. So let’s make life difficult for them — maybe they will ‘go back to where they came from’ (and earn more money than they can here in the process).

I haven’t written anything about the actual technology but that’s a whole different subject. Suffice to say the US is a bit of a backwater when it comes to mobile technology, its not well developed, coverage is hit and miss in many areas — I’d be happy with reliable 4G service. I live in an area of California that’s going to get 5G service soon; what’s on offer is not standards compliant, its designed primarily for short distance point to point service (duplicating the capabilities of fiber and cable). We’re getting it not because we need it but because we’re an upscale area that’s got juicy demographics. If the Brave New World of the Internet of Things does pan out as envisaged expect it to be a world of rental and control, the sort of thing that is currently being fought under the banner “Right to Repair”.

Jul 17, 2019 8:17 AM

This might be of interest:


‘Stevens [Lecturer in Global Security at King’s College, London] stresses that there is no evidence – at least nothing in the public domain – of any wrongdoing by Huawei, and the company itself insists on its innocence.

‘”We are probably the most audited, inspected, reviewed, poked and prodded company in the world,” said John Suffolk, head of Huawei’s cyber security operations in an interview last year.’

But then the inevitable pressure comes:


Of course, the source for the latter is the BBC – you may decide to take that into account.

Jul 17, 2019 7:47 AM

For those who are interested, I’ve compiled a resource (constantly updated) on 5G at: