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Discuss: Jeffrey Epstein “Suicide” – UPDATED

Reports are emerging that Jeffrey Epstein, the billionaire accused of paedophilia and sex-trafficking, has died in prison – allegedly hanging himself in his cell.

For many of us here, and doubtless many of our readers, this death is not at all surprising. These things happen all the time.

This development comes after, yesterday, it was revealed a witness was claiming she was ordered to have sex with New Mexico Governor Bill Richardson and former U.S. Senator George Mitchell.

These were just the latest names associated with Epstein’s alleged trafficking of under-age girls. The “Epstein list” is long, the man was very rich and very well connected – he likely knew, in one form or another, hundreds of famous people. Obviously, not all of them are paedophiles – but many of them are probably feeling rather relieved today.

The main question confronting us on this isn’t “why”, or “how” – “who” doesn’t even really matter. No, the question which will shape things is “what now?”

Will Epstein be logged as a “suicide” and consigned to the dustbin of history? Or will he be paraded around as victim of a villain of the month?

Essentially – will the media say he killed himself, or that Trump killed him? How the coverage develops will likely be the biggest clue as to what actually happened.

Questions remain:

  • Did Jeffrey Epstein kill himself?
  • If not, who is responsible?
  • Who will the media blame?
  • Who gains the most from this?
  • Is this all just a Psy-Op or distraction?
  • How long until Putin or “The Russians” are blamed?

Discuss below, post any interesting theories, important evidence or wild speculation you can find. We may be updating this post as things develop.

UPDATE 14/08/19: Autopsy reports “inconclusive” on cause of death, waiting on “further information”.

The Daily Mail is reporting that the warden of the jail, and two guards, are facing various disciplinary measures following the suicide.

While it was initially reported there was a “camera malfunction” which prevented there being a CCTV record of the incident, that has since been “debunked”.

The current story is not there was a malfunction, but that the prison was deliberately designed to have cameras covering the hallways but NOT inside the cells. I don’t know which of those stories is less believable, honestly.

The Independent is reporting that there is “mounting evidence of failures at the chronically understaffed prison”.

The narrative direction is becoming increasingly obvious.

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Steve Hayes
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“The narrative direction is becoming increasingly obvious.” I suspect the final revision will be that the FBI investigated and found that Epstein committed suicide and recommended that the MCC review its procedures. The political media elite will heave a sigh of relief and say, “Nothing to see here. Move along.” https://viewsandstories.blogspot.com/2019/08/epstein-and-medias-changing-narrative.html

Tim Jenkins
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Tim Jenkins

What’s it got to do with the M.C.C. ?
Was he blackmailing the bosses of Lords, as well ?
After they’d caught him playing on & LBW on camera ?

Just not cricket: please Steve, tell me not the cricket cops implicated as well … 😉
That’d rock & knock high society for 6 🙂

Steve Hayes
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MCC Metropolitan Correctional Center.

PeterE
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PeterE

It’s the narrative, stupid!

So what if Rudy Guiliani say’s ‘there were probably dozens of powerful people who wanted Epstein dead’; does that make it fact?

Off course it’s reasonable for the governed to agree unquestioningly with that repeated assumption.
But how about from the elite’s point of view?

I would hazard all they want is the problem gone.
Epstein’s death is an entirely different matter.

Consider the mega powerful & their documented subterfuge.
None of them would ever sleep easy again, knowing what they know – were any of their entourage / support staff / security personal able to be bought.

It’s not the money …… that’s no issue when you’ve gazillion$

Loyalty is the key.

Ergo, it takes much more than mere money to keep the extreme level of loyal service required from threatening their elite ship.

Among other things, such a ‘package’ would by necessity include guarantees of safety, protection, insurance & rescue from captivity, should that eventuate
The ’employee’ would need to be able to trust that, why else risk one’s life?
Confidence is paramount.

Without that there would be no takers for any risky positions like Epstein’s or Maxwell’s (both of them).
It would just invite mutiny from ‘servants’ who could see what might befall them.

If Epstein were liquidated because some billionaires felt vulnerable, imagine how afraid of their own personal security specialists they’d be with what’d been witnessed over the years.

This is not the wild west, this is serious business!

We are being duped!

Maggie
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Maggie

Exactly!! Peter.
I do not believe that Maxwell committed suicide, despite being in serious dept… look at Peter Green? They thrive on it. The more debt they have the more the ‘banks’ look after them. Maxwell was a Mossad spy, whose funeral was held on the Mount of Olives?? And if Maxwell was ”murdered” why would his daughter have gone into the business with ‘them’ in the honey trap business?
She was hooked up with Epstein because he had already proven himself useful and loyal and had a vast black book. They have been in that very lucrative business for more than forty years… BUT Epstein they made the mistake of ensnaring a royal who thought he was untouchable… and that’s where things got sticky… It is the MO to bump off anyone who flies too close to their sun. When the SHTF , favours were called in. Even Fergie got in on the act and allegedly ”borrowed ” £15,000 ‘ first payment to pay off her £5,000,000 debts??’
Daily Mail article 2015 https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2897086/Cash-strapped-Fergie-took-15-000-paedophile-billionaire-centre-claims-Prince-Andrew-slept-age-sex-slave.html

BUT Epstein hasn’t been killed IMO.. he is too important to them, and has been places that others could not.
Had he been removed then so would Ghislaine, for she knows as much if not more than Epstein?
So..Where is her arrest warrant?

Maggie
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Maggie

Spot the Trolls…
Billy the Kid
Tim Nelson
Flight Nonsense?

How can we tell they are Trolls? Because they attack other posters with their ad hominem rather than adding anything of worth..
They are so easy to spot. :-))
Please… STOP FEEDING THEM.

mark
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mark

You’re so hard on these poor guys, Maggie.
They have to earn their shekel a line.
And it keeps them off the streets.

Jen
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George
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George

I just want to say how much I appreciate the comments of Admin re: trolling. I now have an insight into how it works and the various devices used e.g. pushing comments through at such a high rate that they are bound to stall the system and appear to disappear – at which point the troll complains about being banned. I also noted the unusual amount of up votes for those trolls. I’m guessing they have brought their accomplices with them (i.e. the Breitbart contingent).

passerby
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passerby

If this suicide happened in Russia, the evening news would open with “Putin did it”.

Wildsilver
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Wildsilver

Humor me here, ok!
Given the probability that Epstein could still still alive because he did what it took & was a LOYAL operative…….. how about Robert Maxwell?
Daughter Ghislaine would unlikely want to ‘be deaded’ in / by the same service like her Dad…. soooo….
Her motivation would be ‘secured’ if it was known elimination was for patsies not loyal soldiers!
Bloody rabbit hole, soooo deep ha ha

flaxgirl
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I recently happened to read a story about Maxwell (perhaps it was from a link in a comment) and the first thing that occurred to me when it occurred to me that Epstein has probably been whisked off to some paradisicial island was probably Maxwell’s death was not suicide nor murder but simply faked too.

mark
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mark

The Untouchable And Unaccountable Elites.
Unlimited, Unimaginable Wealth, Power And Privilege.
Billionaires.
Oligarchs.
Royalty.
The Highest Level Dirty Politics.
Mega Business.
High Finance.
Domestic Spooks.
Foreign Intelligence.
Organised Crime.
The Jewish Mafia.
NGOs.
The Controlled MSM.
Financial Fraud On A Colossal Scale.
Ponzi Schemes.
Gargantuan Corruption.
Judicial Corruption.
Sex Trafficking.
Sex Slavery.
Rape.
Paedophilia.
Blackmail.
Murder.
Occult Worship.

Epstein
Wexner
Lauder
Bronfman
Maxwell
Meyer Lansky
Siegel
Clinton
Trump
Barr
Comey
Blair
Mandelson
The 5th In Line To The British Throne
Netanyahu
Peres
Barak
Hundreds Of Others.

One huge, interlocking tangled web of spaghetti.
With the Chosen Folk as the glue that holds the whole, rotten system together.
Rotten to the core.
This is the system that rules over us.
And you might as well get used to it, folks.
Suck it up.
These are your Betters.
And don’t you Deplorable Little People imagine for a moment that anything at all will come of this.
It will all be swept under the carpet.
Very quickly.
As it always has been before.

Brian Harry
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Brian Harry

And…..It strikes me that Hollywood always like to make movies about how Evil “The Mafia” are…….

mark
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mark

The Fake Mafia.
The Italian Mafia.
Not the Real Mafia.
The Jewish Mafia.

Organised Crime is not Italian (except in Hollywood.)

Maggie
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Maggie

Hi Mark,
I’ve just come upon this link from a Police file, about Epstein,
Asking the who, what and why questions.

https://qanon.pub/?q=Epstein

mark
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mark

There seems to be a common occult element.
Bohemian Grove. Epstein’s Temple. Pizzagate.
Paedophilia. Weird sex.

Maggie
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Maggie

Hi Brian,
Who owns Hollywood?
They have to keep up the pretence that it is the dirty Italians/Sicilians who are the Mafia?
”Don’t look over here, look over there.”

Who owns all the gambling clubs? Sheldon Adelson…
Who ran all the rackets? Meter Lansky…
Who controls the US government? George Soros?

Brian Harry
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Brian Harry

Hi Maggie……sshhhhsh….you’re not allowed to name them, lest you be called ‘something’…..

Maggie
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Maggie

Check out:
The National Crime Syndicate.. where it all began.
http://circle.org/jsource/the-national-crime-syndicate/

Guess who RAN the show and who were their PATSIES.

Then research Murder Inc.
https://www.nationalcrimesyndicate.com/10-deadliest-members-of-murder-incorporated/

The fate of those who refuse to work for them?
To get insight into the machinations See Aaron Russo:
”Aaron stated that an attorney friend of his told him that one of the Rockefellers wanted to meet him after viewing his video, Mad as Hell, & finding out that he was running for governor of Nevada. The interested individual turned out to be Nick Rockefeller. “I met him & I liked him,” said Aaron. “He was a very, very smart man.” According to Aaron, they became friends over a period of years. Rockefeller would visit his house for dinner, & they’d share thoughts & ideas. Various business opportunities were offered to Aaron during these visits.
“Nick & I discussed many things, one was reducing world population. In a way, I agreed, there are too many people in the world, but I don’t think I have the authority to say who’s going to die and who’s not going to die. “But”, Nick continued ”The CFR felt that they wanted to reduce world population, by about ‘fifty percent.’
Aaron said, “He was the one who told me eleven months before 911 .. that there was going to be an event, (he never told me what the event was going to be), & out of that event we would invade Afghanistan. … Then we were going to invade Iraq to take over the oil fields & establish a base in the middle east. And other countries such as Venezuela will apparently also be invaded. I remember him telling me we were going to see our military looking in caves for people in Afghanistan & Pakistan,” Such as “Osama bin Laden,” proclaimed Aaron. ”And there’s going to be this war on terror in which there’s no real enemy.” Aaron explained that because this war on terror was to have no real enemy defined, it would be endless.
According to him, this was to be done to terrorize the public into submission, as part of a strategy to bring about a “New World Order.”
One such business opportunity offered to Aaron included an invitation to join the Council on Foreign Relations. “I was definitely being recruited,” says Aaron. Apparently Aaron was well aware of the true intentions of the inner-core of the CFR. He answered, “As much as I like you Nick, your way isn’t my way, we’re on opposite sides of the fence. You know I don’t believe in enslaving people.” According to Aaron, Rockefeller’s reply was, “What do you care about those people? What difference does in make to you? .. They’re just serfs.” Aaron described Nick’s personality during this time as, “cold.”
Continuing his depiction Aaron said, “I used to say to him, what’s the point of all this? You have all the money in the world you need, you have all the power you need. What’s the point? He said, “The end goal is to get everybody chipped, in order to control the whole society. To have the bankers & the elite people control the world.”
Russo asked ”Do all the people in the Council on Foreign Relations believe the way you do?” Rockerfeller said, “No, no, no. Most of them believe they’re doing the right thing.” It looks as though at this point, Aaron was beginning to see the psychopathic traits in his friend manifest.
“He wanted me to become part of what they were doing & he wanted me to become a member of the CFR, & offered various business opportunities to me.” Aaron expressed that Rockefeller wanted to get him to stop his political activities & join them. “They wanted me to join their side,” said Aaron, “because they thought I was a mover & a shaker. And rather than me opposing them, they wanted me to join them. … But I didn’t go for it. And decided not to drop his political convictions. In fact, he began to investigate the Federal Reserve & decided to produce probably one of the most important documentaries in history. It’s called ”AMERICA: FREEDOM TO FACISM & in it Aaron targeted the head of the BEAST by exposing the sinister plans of the CFR, Rockefellers & other financial elitists.
The description of the film on Aaron’s site is as follows: “This film which is neither left, nor right-wing is a startling examination of Government.
It exposes the systematic erosion of civil liberties in America since 1913 when the Federal Reserve system was fraudulently created.
Through interviews with U.S. Congressmen, a former IRS Commissioner, former IRS and FBI agents and tax attorneys and authors, Aaron connects the dots between money creation, federal income tax, and the national identity card which becomes law in May 2008.”
The explanation continues, “This ID card will use Radio Frequency Identification (RFID) chips which are essentially homing devices used to track people. This film shows in great detail and undeniable facts that America is moving headlong into a fascist police state. <<<
Wake up!" To this account I will add that probably most of the individuals that have studied the New World Order, have learned that this ID card is that last step before a microchipped population. This chip will probably be successfully sold to an already cowed public in a variety of ways.
The Problem-Reaction-Solution formula, no doubt, will be one of them.
Whether you're a 911 Truther, a Targeted Individual, or part of the truth movement in general, you should know that the drive to abolish the Federal Reserve is probably the single most critical task to be accomplished. Aaron certainly recognized this. Remember, things such as 911 cover-ups & the Hidden Evil can only occur because congress & the president are not in control. They are puppets of corporations. The same applies to the leaders of the rest of the NATO nations. In reality, this is a global fascist-communist state, with the trappings of a democracy.

Aaron started a nation-wide movement to abolish the Federal Reserve. Because of his popularity & passion for following things through to perfection, he most likely would have been able to assemble massive support. The financial elite were well aware of his capabilities, which is why they attempted to recruit him in the first place. They obviously knew he could pose a significant threat to their control. They knew he had a plan that could potentially work. An intelligent, independent person, who won't sell out, is their worst enemy. In my opinion, he is exactly the type of person they would target. There's a type of energy that certain individuals give to an activity. A single person can literally motivate hundreds, thousands, or millions of people. Sometimes, just by their presence. There are many labels society can give to such individuals. The financial elite recognize that they exist, & when they're identified, they absolutely must be recruited or destroyed in some manner.

Unfortunately we've entered an era when assassinations can be silent & traceless. There's no question about the existence of this technology.
Most of all, they provide clever concealment by producing a death that has the appearance of a natural occurrence, the perfect crime.
Was Aaron Russo assassinated? We may never know for sure. One thing is for certain, the financial elite had the means, the motive, & the opportunity to do so.

As they could have done with Epstein, but they knew he was a loyal and faithful servant, so they arranged for him to be replaced.. IMHO

flaxgirl
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Yes, the victims of their Satanic Ritual Abuse talk about them.

Fiona Barnett is an Australian woman whose Nazi Lithuanian stepgrandfather hired her out to a VIP paedophile network – https://pedophilesdownunder.com/

And Ronald Bernard, a Dutch a high-finance operative, also talks about how they operate – https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nEpcY5JU120

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“Billionaires.
Oligarchs.
Royalty.
The Highest Level Dirty Politics.
Mega Business.
High Finance.
Domestic Spooks.
Foreign Intelligence ………………… ”

Is this the curriculum for the imposed ‘Western Civilisation’ degree at Wollongong University in Australia?

davem
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davem

Novichok.
So it was Putin this time…
And when Assange goes the same way he’ll be blamed.

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Ending

In 2007, Epstein’s attorneys wrote:

“Mr. Epstein was part of the original group that conceived the Clinton Global Initiative,

[1] a project ‘bringing together a community of global leaders’

[2] to devise and implement innovative solutions to some of the world’s most pressing challenges.”

Interesting what brings global leaders together, isn’t it?
Innovative solutions? Did we see any? Where? in Epstein’s friendly skies!!

It is still shrouded in mystery how successive Australian governments donated more than $88 million to Clinton charities for this kind of ‘innovative solutions’.

And one can only wonder whether imprisoning and slow torture of Assange is in fact an implementation of “innovative solutions to some of the world’s most pressing challenges”!!!!

I guess, there is an urgent need for Innovative Solutions to fix the broken legs of those champions of oil, coal, human rights and freedom.

Steve Hayes
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The corporate media are now (Monday) reporting that the Medical Examiner, having conducted an autopsy, is unable to determine the cause of death. The faux journalists seem remarkably lacking in curiosity as to why a man who was found hanged in his cell presents such a difficulty.

Molloy
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Molloy

mark…

Surely the question is, “Does anyone seriously believe that this was suicide?”

Monobazeus
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DunGroanin
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DunGroanin

Apropo??
Rentagob is down under with racist dirty diggers at the behest of his master Morrdddork?

Wildsilver
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Wildsilver

From what I’ve seen so far most posts express clear views about the concept of law / justice.
Let’s call that filter ‘rose coloured glasses’ for the purpose of this journey.

The belief underlying it assumes the aristocrats, oligarchs, royalty, titans, churches, mafias et al who sit at the big table share similar views.

Nothing could be further from the truth.

ref Paul Williams ‘…. the unholy alliance between the Vatican, CIA & Mafia’.
or Richard Cottrell ‘….Nato’s dagger at the heart of Europe’ where in ch 13 ‘Something rotten in the State of Belgium’ Epstein’s counter part proved untouchable.

To understand how this can be, one needs to ‘walk in their shoes’ so to speak.

Consider Epstein from the position of those he worked for.
He was competent & successful in his role.
He delivered what was asked over a very long time.
He was charged once & convicted, kept his mouth shut & went to jail.

He’s been an exemplary employee & served his masters well.
Loyalty is highly prized & rewarded

Had he spilled the beans he’d be dead.
He didn’t & isn’t.

The powerful he worked for had him removed from the scene to ring fence the circus frenzy before it gets out of control.
He’s been put out to pasture & will spend his life flitting between gated communities.

The rational for this view is it’d become problematic to get ‘decent help’ if at the first sign of trouble they were eliminated.

Nobody wants problems & there are countless ways of making them go away.

Just my view for what it’s worth.

DunGroanin
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DunGroanin

The priapic toad used to a luxuriant daily existence would no way have come to terms spending any time actually in a cell never mind more months and years.

Haven’t the problems just multiplied? If all these who he had sign non-disclosures are now free to talk?

surferdave
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surferdave

Of course the man is gone (most likely) but the blackmail materials are all still in someone’s hand. He was probably not the main blackmailer, he was just rewarded well for running the honey pot for decades, the true handlers have the material and can rest a touch easier that Epstein can’t finger them. The big question is what happened to the contents of the locked safe full of CDs of ‘underage’ girls (and left unsaid, their ‘elite’ abusers).
I have long suspected that the targets of the blackmail willingly enter into the honey pot because the deal cuts both ways, give us control of you and we will make you powerful. Mutual trust sort of.

Ben Trovata
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Ben Trovata

“Honor among thieves”,then?!( So to speak.)

Monobazeus
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DunGroanin
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DunGroanin

Apropo??
Is the genesis of the shitfest based on the well overdue release of Hess’ records?

mark
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mark

Seriously, does anyone really believe this was NOT a murder???
The only question is who did it, Colonel Mustard or Miss Scarlett.
We don’t need Poirot or Sherlock Holmes on the case, Inspector Clouseau’s quite capable of handling this one.

This would have been a multiple of the OJ Simpson trial, a real feeding frenzy extravaganza.
The MSM couldn’t have ignored it or covered it up.
What has come out so far is just the tip of the iceberg.
The fact that Epstein was re arrested after all this time is probably a function of faction feuding within the Deep State.
It is probably linked in a way to Russiagate, coming after the Muller enquiry degenerated into broad farce.
Trump is aware of the conspiracy against him by Clinton, the MSM, the Dirty Cops, the Spooks and the British Establishment to sabotage his election campaign and then his presidency.
This is his way of going nuclear against them, in time for the next election.
He knew Epstein, but he’s not the one who took 26 trips to Lolita Island.
Ghislaine Maxwell will probably go to ground in Talmudistan for the foreseeable future.

This speaks volumes about the true nature of the US “Justice” system and Deep State.
It’s reminiscent in a way of the arrest and murder of Steve Biko, though of course there’s no comparison between the two men.
And we are about to hand over Julian Assange to the tender mercies of this system.
Maybe they will give him Epstein’s old cell.

This is so blatant.
It’s like the Deep State saying, “Look at us, f… you, we can do what we like and get away with it.”

But even so, they will want this out of the news cycle as soon as possible.
My guess is that we will get another Skripal, another Charlie Hebdo or Manchester Arena, VERY, VERY SOON.

flaxgirl
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But perhaps too obvious, Mark, a little too obvious. Where is the evidence that he is dead at all? If he’s all palsy walsy with the powers that be maybe he took a little back door exit from the jail and is now on a private island living it up. There is no evidence of that, of course, however, why believe he is dead at all?

mark
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mark

It tends not to end very well for useful people who have outlived their usefulness and become a liability.
Manuel Noriega. Saddam Hussein. Diem. Trujillo. Skripal. Litvinenko. Gaddafi. David Kelly. Diana Spencer. JFK.
Very different people with one thing in common.

Wilmers31
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Wilmers31

Please include Witness K (Australia’s Timor Leste fraud).

flaxgirl
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True, but for some of those people can we be sure even they’re dead? Not saying they’re not, but can we be sure? It only occurred to me a couple of months ago that perhaps Princess Diana is still alive. Someone brought the possibility up and it made me think. Surely, her sons would suspect something – if not at the time then later – and would be very unhappy about that (or perhaps that’s what royals simply have to swallow) – and she wrote in her diary that she suspected her husband was going to kill her (or something like that)? Doesn’t sound a little stagey? – a little bit of set up? But not saying she didn’t die, not saying that at all. But it’s not unreasonable to think that she and Dodi decided they just wanted to get away from it all and live in a bit of peace and quiet which would have suited the royals fine and dandy and pretty easily organised, no?

In the case of Epstein, wouldn’t the threat of certain things being released upon his being murdered carry a certain weight? The thing is, is there any good reason to think he’s dead any more than to think he’s alive? I’d say it’s 50-50 either way.

mark
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mark

If I was Epstein, I’d leave a few delayed action bombs ticking away in the event of my sudden demise.

Tim Jenkins
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Tim Jenkins

“It tends not to end very well for useful people who have outlived their usefulness and become a liability.”

Q: do you think Flaxgirl & Flight nonsense fall into this category, of late . . . ? 🙂

Certainly, Iliya Pavlov of the Mossad Maxwell’s ‘Multigroup BG.’ fell into this category, because after Mossad had failed to kill him by blowing his armourplated BMW up, leaving a 7 metre long deep hole in the road (coz’ he wasn’t in the car), they just sent a sniper instead & one day shortly after, walking out of his offices … doooof, from a huge distance and nobody will ever know who did it …
and I suspect that many will be taken out this way, in the coming months …

mark
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mark

You could be right. A lot of JFK figures suddenly died in very mysterious circumstances.

Maggie
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Maggie

True Mark, As did 911 observers?
Marvin Bush’s Nanny being one of the most suspicious?
”Marvin P. Bush, the president’s younger brother, was a principal in a company called Securacom that provided security for the World Trade Centre, United Airlines, and Dulles International Airport.”

>>>Sixty-two year old Bertha Champagne, described as a long time “baby sitter” for Marvin and Margaret Bush’s two children, son Walker, 13, and daughter Marshall, 17, was found crushed to death by her own vehicle in a driveway in front of the Bush family home in the Alexandria section of Fairfax County. Champagne reportedly lived at the Bush family home.

http://www.fromthewilderness.com/free/ww3/101003_bush_death.html

Champagne had left the residence to retrieve something from her car, which police say had somehow been left in gear. According to the police report, the car rolled forward and pinned the woman between it and a small building next to the driveway (possibly a checkpoint built by the Secret Service when Marvin’s father, George H. W. Bush, was president).

The car crossed Edgehill Drive, a small street in front of the Bush compound. The vehicle then crossed a busy two-lane street, Fort Hunt Road, finally coming to rest in a wooded area across the street that adjoins the prestigious Belle Haven Country Club.

No explanations have been offered as to why the vehicle did not move until Champagne was in a position to be crushed.<<<

Molloy
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Molloy

Arafat. Biko. Bhutto.

mark
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mark

Chavez.

Molloy
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Molloy

Rabin. Hammarskjöld.

Molloy
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Molloy

Robert Kennedy.

Molloy
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Molloy

(……replying to mark)

Arafat. Biko. Bhutto.

Molloy
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Molloy

Robert Finlayson Cook. Archduke Franz Ferdinand.

Molloy
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Molloy

Willie MacRae. Pat Finucane. Martin Luther King.

Tim Jenkins
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Tim Jenkins

But perhaps too obvious, Cowgirl, a little too obvious, once again,

that yours is the comment of our resident, “Controlled Opposition”, within one huge ‘Psyop’, which the internet was in fact designed to be … to be or not to be controlled opposition, that is the question Flaxgirl must face !

Antonym
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Antonym

What, Epstein was not murdered by “the Zionists”? Everyone else is according to the Gospel of mark.

mark
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mark

Nuttyyahoo could well have had a hand in it. Or any of a number of Zionist billionaires he stiffed. The list of suspects is long and undistinguished. A Who’s Who of the scum of the earth. But you can’t rule out the goy scum of the earth either. What’s one more addition to the Clinton Body Count?

Fight nonsense
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Fight nonsense

How one can tell that this site systematically and opportunistically curries the favor of adherents of antisemitism and white supremacism: it routinely delays the visibility of comments that run strongly counter to these creeds. I’ve made many comments that have not appeared until days or even weeks later, and that most certainly WOULD have elicited a response from the assorted Nazis and fascist hoodlums frequenting this site. But when I find that my comments are finally visible, it’s long after the article is highlighted as the most recent additions to the site and have already passed from most frequent view, ensuring that no or very few responses will be posted to them. This is how OffG can talk out of both sides of its mouth: it claims simultaneously that “Truth really should be sacred” (while also espousing “The right to be wrong”), but it also wants to enforce a type of conformity of narrative. Thus when my comments are posted and delayed, they can just say, “But we DID post your comments. No one is censoring anything” while ensuring that the comments don’t interfere with the love-in among fascists.

Admin
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Your paranoia does you no credit. For a while you were multi-posting so fast the system thought you were a spambot and began auto-sending your posts to the spam folder. When we found them there we restored them.

At one pint you had 54 comments in the spam folder. 52 of them were your semi-abusive rants about the Apollo program. None were about Nazis. So you are deceptive.

Most sites would have banned anyone as systematically abusive as you are toward OffG and its staff. Here you are not even placed on pre-mod. An acknowledgment of that from you would display a bare minimum of honest intent on your part.

We suggest you and those ungracious enough to upvote you find another site to frequent and see how much of your ad hom is tolerated there.

PS – your credibility is only further damaged by using propaganda memes such as ‘white supremacist’ to mass-denigrate. You must be well aware this site has NEVER posted anything that could be remotely defined in such terms.

Therefore you are trolling.

This thread is being closed as being OT. No doubt you’ll continue your abuse on another one.

mark
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mark

No one is censoring you.
Everybody likes to laugh at the village idiot.

Tim Jenkins
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Tim Jenkins

Laffin’ so much, can’t think what to say and the idiot is still trying to draw my fire elsewhere on to the loony tune of Lunar debates, that he’d managed to successfully corrupt …

only minutes ago, an email notice arrived from flight nonsense to me on the old article 🙂 😉

And just for the record, mark, not just my inbox confirms what I’m gonna’ say, also the new date & time stamps here @OffG >>> there is no doubt now in my mind, that as I originally suggested to cowgirl, she has in fact called in for backup and flight nonsense is her back up troll to cover the failures that our resident controlled opposition has made in the last weeks … 😉

mark
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mark

Variety is the spice of life.

Tim Jenkins
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Tim Jenkins

Lol, it would seem that my thumbs down total is ever increasing evidence of the spicy effect & nature of red hot Mexican chilli peppers up some people’s butts 😉
Lmao . . . 🙂

William HBonney
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Lol, it would seem that my thumbs down total is ever increasing evidence of the spicy effect & nature of red hot Mexican chilli peppers up some people’s butts 😉
Lmao . . . 🙂

No, it’s the fact that even a card carrying Nazi would regard you as a bit out of order, and advise you to calm down a bit.

flaxgirl
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I have found comments appearing a long time after posting too, Fight nonsense, and I completely appreciate your inclination towards a paranoid explanation for this phenomenon (I suffer it myself sometimes) but I cannot imagine that OffG are controlling comments in this manner. I’m sure it’s some kind of glitch.

Wilmers31
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Wilmers31

And for whom are we posting?

Only 30 % is for the general public, 70 % is for the apparatchiks. Make no mistake, the apparatchiks monitor all comment strings to measure the temperature of us deplorables and we do like to show them what we think of rulers, manipulators and so forth.

They might even react to that although the leaders who have led us down the cliff and up the garden path will probably, in the initial phase, react in their usual inept way. As more and more people turn away from the American and British manipulative mindsets, a big enemy has been built up, against whom Pompeo wants to install missiles all over the world – for payment of course. (Protection money, like in Sicily).

Big enemy: China. Iran and Russia are no longer frightening us out of our wits, so it must be China who gets us dancing to Washington’s whistle. The more we understand their kind of music, the more we turn away, and then the whistle is turned up again. I do not think they will ever understand, because it would mean having doubts whether the American mindset is ultima ratio.

Tim Jenkins
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Tim Jenkins

Very sound comment Wilmers in these times where so many are collecting all Data online, every ‘Bit’ being the nature of the gigantic ‘Psyop’ called the internet: where they worry about the specific algorithm to analyse the various ‘Bits’ in the jigsaw, later &

The William Binney & Kurt Weibe ‘Affair’ of blowing whistles, confirms this all, way beyond any reasonable doubt and the “Parallel Platforms” they described and continue to warn of is exactly what our resident “Controlled Opposition” Flaxgirl and Trolls like, Flight Nonsense NEVER comment on … not rocket science as to Why ! ? !

Just like they don’t want us talking about amazingly compromised governmental security systems, with the theft of ALL U.S. government Data involved on members of Congress & the Senate, including all their credit card numbers (lol), by Imran AWAN.
Imran Awan, who didn’t just specialise in Leaks & Hacks, no no no, this IT guy just walked into government facilities and picked the whole servers and computers up and walked calmly out of the building, stealing the equipment lock stock & smoking barrel and hiding them in his “Lift Shaft” & datsa’ FACT ! How to SHAFT …
Music to my ears, gonna’ play the theme from “SHAFT”

Greetings,
Tim

Tim Jenkins
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Tim Jenkins

Without a shadow of a doubt, Flaxgirl/Cowgirl, glitches are very largely down to your positioning of controlled opposition and your jolly trolling friends there @GCHQ of NATZO obscene goals to dictate to all humanity … !

Swivel on it & live with it, until you & your ‘friends’ address your collective elementary mistakes IN UNDERSTANDING BINARY code & accept that your methods will never succeed, young girl !

Oh, and fuck yer’ 9 thumbs up, they have simply had the same difficulties that you and i have had: the only difference being that some of us know why the algorithms function in this manner and are patient with your bosses inept systems of algorithmic control & the built in ‘Nodes’ in Fibre Optic Cables, for mass surveillance & control & collection of every ‘Bit’ of Data and this point is apparently way above your pay grade & comprehension, mathematically: just like “Parallel Platforms” and exactly what William Binney & Kurt Weibe have been telling you, since the 11th September 2001 …

Capricornia Man
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Capricornia Man

Ad-hominem abuse of those whose opinions you disagree with renders anything else you have to say unfit for serious consideration.

George
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George

The usual procedure: lots of invective, fiery frothing, big words all to back up a claim that we are supposed to just take on faith i.e. that your comments have been delayed. There is a delay in comments appearing but it is not long. I’ve never had any trouble. But – hey! You know this is a “leftie” site so be sure to keep up with the abuse that’ll really sting i.e. that we are all “Nazis”, “Fascists” etc.

Admin
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Admin

We would appreciate it if all of you would stop feeding these abusive trolls please.

noseBag
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noseBag

I think you missed an important question for which the (definitive) answer remains outstanding…is he dead? It’s almost certain he had/has an incredible amount of dirt to dish, but then, just think of all those very powerful people he was of great ‘service’ to – would they really want him dead, or just quiet? For him to be disappeared off to some distant, generously funded, paradise, with the threat of instant assassination if the jaw starts flapping, seems an equally likely scenario to suicide for me.

Michael LEIGH
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Michael LEIGH

Your NOSEBAG comment herewith that Mr J Epstein may be still be alive echos a conversation I had with a friend very recently, who claimed that the video of Epstien being carried out of his prison on a strecher looking very different by way of being clean shaven rather than bearded, and my informant further suggested that Mr J Epstien was very much alive and on his way to totally dissapear from further public visibility?

Monobazeus
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Monobazeus

Doubt very much the dude is dead. No US autopsy. Rolled him out on a trolley as first leg on his new life with a new face.

GMW
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Latest BREAKING NEWS: “U.S. government buries Epstein at sea!” 🙂

Jen
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Jen

Moi, I’m awaiting the news (but not with bated breath) of Epstein’s burial in Jerusalem next to Robert Maxwell’s grave with Satanyahu and several senior Mossad and ex-Mossad personnel gathered to see him off.