Discuss: Epstein Death – Autopsy Results Announced
The New York Medical Examiner has announced their findings – Jeffrey Epstein committed suicide by hanging.
The stated evidence, so far, is “multiple breaks in his neckbones”, which is fairly uninformative without knowing a) which bones or b) the nature of the breaks.
Assuming any bones were broken at all, of course, there is always the possibility the entire report is a fiction. It wouldn’t be the first time.
The announcement that he hanged himself ends all the speculation about what the “official narrative” will be. Having danced around the idea of blaming Trump, or even Putin, the establishment has gone down the path of least resistance. There is even the faintest possibility it’s actually true. Just about.
The finding doesn’t eliminate all the unanswered questions and actually raises some new ones.
We still don’t know the story behind Epstein’s alleged suicide attempt last month.
We still don’t know why he was apparently taken off suicide watch.
We still don’t know why his cellmate was moved.
We don’t know why a veteran medical examiner needed a full week to return a verdict of “suicide by hanging”, when the victim was presumably found hanging by his neck in his cell.
We don’t really know anything. Just that he’s allegedly dead, and he supposedly did it to himself.
As with most suicide findings, the press will be keen for this to be the end of the discussion. That doesn’t seem likely.
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I would have thought there needs to be a significant drop in order to gain enough momentum to cause breakage of the bones, and that seems unlikely inside a prison cell. Strangulation, sure, but not broken bones. I can only picture the hitman twisting the neck as the most likely way the bones were broke.
It seems obvious that Epstein was murdered, but in reality this is just a side issue. The MSM will happily carry on sending people down rabbit holes for ever, and ignoring the real questions. They would like nothing more than to turn this into another JFK, where people speculate endlessly, generating more heat than light. Just what motivated Epstein? Money? Vice? Paedo sex? Spying and blackmailing for Israel? All of the above? Where did his loyalties lie? Was he just a hired hand, an intelligence operative, another Christopher Steele? Or was he more of a gun for hire, an Erik Prince, serving Mossad, the CIA, the Zionist Lobby, or whoever would pay him? Or was he more of his own boss, running his own organisation in his own interests? What about Ghislaine Maxwell? Was she just Epstein’s pimp and loyal lieutenant, carrying out his orders? Or was she his Mossad… Read more »
“Surprisingly, Maxwell has not gone to ground as expected.
She made an exhibition of herself in LA a few days ago, ostentatiously eating a burger in public with a little dog in tow, reading a book about the CIA.”
I heard that she switched the burger for the dog and all that was left to go on was a book about the CIA with Rottweiler paw prints all over it.
And a burger, out cold on the floor.
I will not believe JE suicided until an independent doctor and physicist shows me, in the cell that whatever it was took place, the materiel with which he hung himself, the fixings to which he attatched the material and that the length of his fall was sufficient to kill him.
Not dead. Is now having plastic surgery and then it is off to Patagonia or similar. Face was in no way red enough given the violence said to be evident re thorax and bones. No video. Some testimony to effect no one entered his cell just before or just after estimated time of death. That is an evasive explanation.
Not dead. Holidaying.
Suicide or murder, both are hallmarks of the federal witness protection program.
In 21 years no prisoner has committed suicide at MCC.
We never saw post mortem photos of McVeigh or Bin Laden, yet NY Post shows a photo of FDNY transporting Epstein on a gurney; except the ear and nose do not match JE.
“NY Post shows a photo of FDNY transporting Epstein on a gurney; except the ear and nose do not match JE.”
Guessing you haven’t seen many cold corpses?
What we really should be asking is why the MSM is over eager to conclude that Jeffrey Epstein committed suicide and to force everyone to “move along, nothing more to see” even before the autopsy results (most certainly rushed and the announcement doctored to fit the press narrative) were released. Especially as the ones leading that charge are the New York Times (crawling with CIA operatives) and the Guardian (whose deputy editor Paul Johnston had been on an MI5 committee not so long ago).
Epstein’s death is a bit like the collapse of building 7 on 9th September 2001.
I wonder, upon finding Epstein’s body, if anyone rang 911? (for those in other parts of the world who might not know, 911 is the emergency telephone number in the United States).
9/11?! it’s all so bloody obvious, yet the majority of people still don’t seem to get it.
Whoops, I meant 11th September (I’ve never got used to the ridiculous way that Americans do dates).
“(I’ve never got used to the ridiculous way that Americans do dates).
(Snap. I’ve never got used to the crap way crap heads do numercrapology.)
Its should be clear that the Medical Examiner would never under any circumstances declare that Epstein’s death was due to murder. This would then require further investigation by the State. So even with broken bones in the neck suggesting at the very least a pretty rough death, it was always going to be a suicide. The same as if somebody shot themselves twice in the back of the head. Its the American way.
The most interesting things I’ve read ( not an expert so don’t quote me on it ) was that after Epstein left/got thrown out of Bear Sterns he started a company managing other peoples asset portfolios.
The story goes that he influenced many millionaire/billionaires to give him complete control over those assets.
Why would already rich men ( they are all men ) hand over complete legal control to a guy who was allegedly good at maths but not good enough for Bear Sterns?
There has got be something at work there and I suspect the US Authorities are not starting at the beginning only interested in the more salacious stuff.
It may be that Epstein had something on these business men in the first place in order to get control of their assets.
Salacity may be involved there maybe at the start.
Epstein didn’t have the staff or organisational infrastructure to run an investment fund or hedge fund.
He may have taken in money and invested it in simple tracker funds, raking off a big “management fee” for himself.
If so, it seems clear this was a disguised way of paying blackmail money, a form of money laundering.
It may be that Trump retweeting a suggestion that the Clintons might have been involved in Epstein’s death provided more impetus to persuade the authorities to determine definitively that Epstein had committed suicide. The Medical Examiner’s decision enables CNN et al to push the narrative that Trump is a conspiracy theorist and thus is unfit to hold office.
Epstein is alive & well ? Make no mistake & the skeletons will stay hidden.
Surely the most important issue is not how he died (or even if he actually did) but people who he did ‘business’ with, the ‘great and the good’. The rest is just a massive diversion and of course, everybody goes apeshit over the nature of his death and that was the intention.
Everybody in his little black book, Acosta and the Clintons, and our very own Prince Randy Andy, should be required to testify on oath – then given polygraphs.
Yes, but will it happen? Can you see these gangster capitalists prosecuting their own? Prince Andrew for example. Surely it’s why Epstein was silenced in the first place. And what of the ‘little black book’? So Epstein knew a lot of very rich and influential people which proves, what?
These are the people who think nothing of exterminating mostly brown people in the millions, you think they’re bothered about a few pedos and some jetset hookers? Wasn’t it Prince Andrew who got caught out wearing a Nazi uniform at some party? No, it was another hooray henry, Prince Harry. There’s something seriously awry with the Windsors, maybe it ‘s all that inbreeding.
Just as we’ll never know what happened to Barbara Olson and all the other living alleged passengers (some were, no doubt, made up or already dead) on the four flights that didn’t crash (or, in two cases, even take off) on 9/11, we’ll never know whether Jeffrey breathes still or was murdered or suicided – as far as the media is concerned he is no longer and we won’t see hide nor hair of him again. The truth about what happened to him will never be published just as it hasn’t been (and never will be) for those living people who didn’t die in plane crashes on 9/11 … and so very many other people alleged to have died.
I take it back. We do know what happened to alleged victim, Michaela Dunn, of the crazed CBD knifer, Mert Ney. Precisely nothing. She is alive and well and working as the Commissioner at Essex County Commission on the Status of Women. See her on FB – https://www.facebook.com/michaela.dunn.5 – Doncha love it? They didn’t even change her name.
Best music-matcher in the staged-event analysis business, Woodrow Wobbles, has done a lovely video to Don’t It Make Your Brown Eyes Blue that shows how Mort must have managed to slip in blue-tinted contact lenses between his crazed knifing and being pinned down under a milk-crate. Watch it while you can. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WBzzaKE6hVE
Sorry, Mert, not Mort but isn’t it interesting how Mert Ney resembles mort-né, the term for stillborn in French. They love their names.
Are you trying intentionally to shred your credibility and ours by association? Blue eyes can look black in different lighting conditions, and in poorer resolutions. Two people can have the same name. Get a grip.
Credibility? Are you people still falling for this garbage, because it throws in a few half truths and reasonable points about crisis actors? You do realise that globally, the MIC is worth trillions. Their new warfare department is cyber. They’re going to have some sophisticated writers and techniques to confuse, hijack threads and gain trust from other posters. It really is no wonder we are so screwed, as a people, when the vast majority of your readership and editorial seem to be sucked in by this, on a site that really should know better, where these points have been made clear several times. Oh dear. We’re so fucked, lol. If this is the quality of the resistance, there is no resistance.
“Go back to bed America, your government is in control.”
Yet again, as a website, you have categorically failed to do any proper digging on Epstein, just spewing out the same shit as everyone else. You get more juice in the MSM. Weak as piss
Whoa, calm down there. Take some breaths. Of course we’re aware anyone who comments here – including you – is potentially a ‘MIC cyber warrior,’ we just don’t find it as terrifying as you seem to. Most are painfully easy to spot, and ‘sophisticated’ would not be the word of choice. I’m sure they would love to think they’re the supercool stealthy saboteurs you describe. In fact they’re people like ‘William HBonney’ saying ‘you suck!’ and running away. As to flax. We highly doubt she’s a MIC ninja, though of course it’s always possible. But either way most people here politely ignore her and almost no one believes her ‘everything is fake’ stream of consciousness ranting. So, the resistance is probably safe. 🙂 Hope you feel better soon. PS – if you want to come over as more than another clumsy agent of disruption yourself, don’t just throw abuse, point… Read more »
“I learned about the no planes theory on 9/11 from Flaxgirl”.
Almost a direct quote, from either a victim or another fakist, on this website in a recent post. I care not how I am perceived, I’m all but done with this site, keep posting James Corbett investigates.
“. But either way most people here politely ignore her and almost no one believes her ‘everything is fake’ stream of consciousness ranting.” No, they don’t. That’s the problem.
You offer nothing of substance about Epstein, his background, his businesses, his backers, his associations, nothing. That’s the issue. Why are you asking me to provide the information for you? Weird kind of journalism you’re invrsted into
you had the chance to show you were sincere & not just another type of disruptive troll. Sadly you clearly are just that. You have no wish to contribute and no genuine complaints. We’re done with this exchange. Feel free to keep posting, but please note our comment policy
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“you had the chance to show you were sincere & not just another type of disruptive troll. Sadly you clearly are just that.”
Sorry Mummy, I promise to be a good boy from now on
Fortunately, hols have separated me from the computer I usually use for image processing so I have had to make do with my much less competent travelling tablet to do some analysis of one of the series of images taken in the same location as that at 0:37 in the video this poster references in her “stream of OCD”: Best music-matcher in the staged-event analysis business, Woodrow Wobbles, has done a lovely video to Don’t It Make Your Brown Eyes Blue that shows how Mort must have managed to slip in blue-tinted contact lenses between his crazed knifing and being pinned down under a milk-crate. Watch it while you can. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WBzzaKE6hVE otherwise I might have spent a lot longer on this instance of her malign* drivel than it is conceivably worth. Whole image adjustments only (basic white balancing and correction for underexposure; no spot retouching or complex manipulation involved). The… Read more »
“Phoney neck bone of contention”, a perfect control of the narrative that Epstein really is dead, no matter how . Frankly, the way Rudy Giuliani was rattling on about his death as one of three options, suicide, revenge murder by cellmate or silencing murder by enemy, plus the gross incompetence involved etc etc makes me think of the phrase “trying to hard”.
Judicial hangings were/are designed to snap the neck bones, causing death to come quickly .That is why the victims body weight, slackness of rope, height of drop are carefully calibrated . Some judicial hangings don’t end with a broken neck Suicide hangings are one thing….if the suicide has the choice, they can leap or kick off from a height, and access a rope Even this does not always end in neck snapping and pretty instant death, but asphyxiation .People generally don’t have the physics at their fingertips. Jail suicides are another , and most often end in aspyxiation .There just isn’t the height , or the ligature . “Zhongxue Hua, the Bergen County medical examiner in New Jersey, said a neck fracture was atypical in a suicide but warned not to jump to conclusions. “It’s unusual to have a neck fracture,” Hua said. “But the first question to address is… Read more »
Hanging can take the head off completely.
That’s what happened to Saddam Hussein.
It causes unconsciousness in between 8-12 seconds.i
That is the intended goal. People are given a ‘truth’ that doesn’t ring true. The truth however is, that:
You can bribe, or blackmail a lot of people sometimes – but you can’t bribe, or blackmail all of the people all of the time.
In that lies the possibility that the truth will be revealed at some point.
Take also note that Epstein’s Madam was allegedly photographed at a Burger joint in L.A. (RT)
A citizen’s arrest did not take place. Why?
It is only hearsay at the moment, hearsay and stories but not enough meat in my view to detain a person. Why are the authorities not making a move to question her?
The system has so many ways and means. Did my brother die from suicide in 2008 or did the new landlord initiate the first of two fires so the tradies could come in on time? Was Berlin police even interested? 23/24th June 2008, Roland Gurski, Ansbacher Str 61, Berlin. My late brother could have afforded relocation if the Kohl-Regime had not stolen our assets. The crooks have a way of getting away with theft and murder.
Given the main crimes, Maxwell was engaged in sex trafficking of minor girls to rich and powerful ‘minorphiles’ (my creation). Unless the trafficking of underage girls is no longer a crime, Maxwell is of course a free woman. However, there are enough substantial allegations of committed crimes by her partner Epstein and herself, that warrant her arrest to prevent her from disappearing.
And while it is off topic, yes, Kohl should have spent the rest of his life in prison. For treason and embezzlement. He was protected by the U.S. and answering only the occupation force. Just like Merkel. Another question has to be, how many Germans were involved in Epstein’s underage sex trafficking operations?
“Did my brother die from suicide in 2008 or did the new landlord initiate the first of two fires so the tradies could come in on time?” Sorry to hear that. FWIW, based on a personal but far less traumatic experience, I would be easily persuaded of the latter: that he was the victim of both the same old same old what are, effectively, regular, everday conspiracies of governments everywhere, all the time, and the regular, everday conspiracies of multitudes of ordinary citizens everywhere seeking material gain from the exploitation of others, regardless of the cost, in everything from the modern slave trade to the destruction and even the careless taking of the lives of hapless “collateral damage” like your brother. Many decades ago some colleagues and I hired a commercial venue in the UK for a little promotion of a new product we had developed and wanted to get… Read more »
“Jeffrey Epstein’s Death Was On 4Chan Before Officials Announced It — And Authorities Had To Look Into It”
https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/janelytvynenko/fdny-review-jeffrey-epstein-4chan-post
It’s a distraction. Watch anything but Epstein hoax.
No – you are a system defender.
If Epstein did indeed live this lifestyle from ‘intelligence’, as Acosta was told, then he feathered his nest with money from Mary & Joe Taxpayer.
Intelligence money. whether from US, UK, Australia, France, Israel, or Britain is taxpayer money. Epstein had plenty of money. If only half of it was from intelligence/taxpayer – what benefit did the taxpayers get?
About his previous murky injury: “Jeffrey Epstein found injured with marks on his neck in New York jail cell, sources say” https://www.nbcnews.com/news/investigations/jeffrey-epstein-found-injured-marks-his-neck-new-york-jail-n1034301 Jeffrey Epstein, the millionaire financier who is being held on federal sex trafficking charges, was found injured and in a fetal position in his cell at a New York City jail, sources close to the investigation told NBC News on Wednesday night. Epstein, 66, was found semiconscious with marks on his neck in his cell at the Metropolitan Correctional Center in Manhattan some time in the last two days, the sources said. Epstein is on suicide watch, two sources said. While the two sources said that Epstein may have tried to hang himself, a third source cautioned that the injuries weren’t serious, questioning whether Epstein might have staged an attack or a suicide attempt to get a transfer to another facility. Another source said that an assault hadn’t… Read more »
I wonder what the 2 hour visit by a ‘young, beautiful woman’ just before his ‘suicide’ was all about?
Posting this for the record – apparently the hyoid bone rarely breaks during hanging, but Epstein’s hyoid bone was broken
https://eu.usatoday.com/story/news/health/2019/08/15/mystery-surrounds-hyoid-break-epstein-death-suicide-murder/2017579001/
Bloody hell, Quincy M. E. has shown up to comment.
M.E. Thomas – “Confessions of a Sociopath ”
That sir, is the M.E. you need to study, you poor weak minded parasitic Troll 😉
You’ve been asked not to feed the troll. I’m going to close this thread to lessen the temptation to keep on sniping.
You mean, Epstein’s hyoid bone was reportedly broken – “reportedly broken” and “broken” are not one and the same thing.
If he was murdered Putin’s henchmen did it. No one does murder like a Russian, except a Russian former KGB colonel
except Mossad
Why isn’t someone on ‘suicide watch’ placed in a suicide proof environment?
Convenient that.
They are, including paper sheets that can’t bear weight. Epstein was supposedly taken off suicide watch just before his supposed death
And where is the ‘whatever it was’ that he used to hang himself?
…. and what convenient *hooks* or similar are there in cells to hook ~ whatever belt, bootlace, sheet used as ~ the noose over? To break his neck, what high point was there to leap from; otherwise surely he would have died from self-strangulation/ asphyxiation? When I was in a simple police cell my glasses [slashed veins] and shoelaces [strangulation] were removed from me [I didn’t wear a belt]. It certainly doesn’t seem to make common sense.
In Britain, the post mortem, by a Home Office pathologist, would establish the physical cause of death. Sometimes this is delayed in waiting for toxicology results. Probably “Suspension” (Hanging.) Any separate injuries or existing medical conditions would be noted in the post mortem report. In the absence of any police criminal investigation, it would then be for a Coroner’s Inquest, almost certainly sitting with a jury, to give a verdict. Suicide, accidental death, misadventure, unlawful killing, open verdict. It is for the Coroner’s Court to examine the evidence and arrive at a verdict. If there is doubt or uncertainty, there is the option of an Open Verdict. Hanging could lead to a verdict of accident or misadventure in certain circumstances. There was a case where a group of youths saw that someone had left a noose hanging from a tree in a park. One of them, larking around, put his… Read more »
He killed himself and the proof is the BBC said it,anyone who disagrees wears a tinfoil hat Snerf snerf (teehee they don’t know I’m a troll!)
I feel massively complemented by this, although I imagine that wasn’t your intention.
The real William Bonney could give you excellent advice about holding a gun the right way around.
I think you mean ‘complimented’ not ‘complemented’ although a case could be made for the latter. But not by you. Trolls can’t spell. Another giveaway indicator.
‘complemented’ is interesting. Gives the game away.
One possibility not covered here – is he actually dead? I see no reason to take even that much on face value
Excellent question. The alleged pic of his body was at very least debatable. There’s a case to be made Timothy McVeigh was spirited away by his handlers. Why not Epstein?
My money would be on him being murdered. Too hard to manage keeping the lid on the plan without a body wouldn’t it?
Then file a writ of habeas corpus.
Well, the article above did say “allegedly” dead:
Might be a cremation coming up!
I guess he doesn’t have any family, or they’re being silent (or complicit in something)? It seems like if he did and they had suspicions they’d want an independent autopsy, and not just let the state do whatever it wants with the corpse. Of course he was a horrible scumbag so maybe no one wants to claim his cadaver.
His body was claimed by an unidentified young female associate, according to one report.
The incomplete information about how he could carry out a suicide is only one of many uncertainties. But why wait a week? The NYT knew and stated it was a suicide within a few hours after he was discovered. There is a whiff of rattus odoriferous.
My questions:
[1] what convenient *hooks* or similar are there in cells to hook the noose over?
[2] what belt, bootlace, sheet was used?
[3] to break bones in his neck, what high point was there to leap from; otherwise surely he would have died from self-strangulation/ asphyxiation?
When I was in a simple police cell my glasses [slashed veins] and shoelaces [strangulation] were removed from me [I didn’t wear a belt].
It certainly doesn’t seem to make common sense that a cell [even if for one not on suicide watch] would contain so many opportunities to top oneself.
You’re right. It defies common sense. It takes a lot of force to break all those neck bones and it is not at all clear where that force came from. There are examples in intentional hanging where a drop of a few feet was insufficient to cause death or fracture.