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China And the Zombies Of The Past

Christopher Black

The hybrid war, being conducted against China by the United States and its gaggle of puppet states from the UK to Canada to Australia, has entered a new phase.

The first stage involved the massive shift of US air and naval forces to the Pacific and constant provocations against China in the South China Sea and the Taiwan Strait. The second stage was the creation of disinformation about China’s treatment of minority groups, especially in Tibet and west China.

That this propaganda campaign has been carried out by nations such as the US, Canada and Australia who have the worst human rights records in the world with respect to their indigenous peoples, subjected to centuries of cultural and physical genocide by those governments, and who refuse to protect their minority peoples from physical attacks and discrimination despite their human rights laws, shocks the conscience of any objective observer.

But not content with that, the propaganda was extended to China’s economic development, its international trade, the Shanghai Cooperation Organisation, its Silk and Belt Road Initiative, its development bank, and other facilities and trade initiatives, through which China is accused of trying to control the world; an accusation made by the very nation that threatens economic embargo or worse, nuclear annihilation, to anyone, friend or foe, who resists its attempt to control the world.

The fourth phase is the US attempt to degrade the Chinese economy with punitive “tariffs,” essentially an embargo on Chinese goods. That the objective is not better trade deals but to bring China to its knees is the fact that the negative effect of these tariffs on American consumers, farmers and manufacturers is considered secondary to the principal objective.

Last year it moved to a fifth phase, the kidnapping and illegal detention of Meng Wanzhou, the Chief Financial Officer of China’s leading technology company Huawei, in synchronicity with a massive campaign by the USA to force its puppets to drop any dealings with that company. Meng Wanzhou is still held against her will in Canada on US orders. Chinese have been harassed in the US, Australia and Canada.

The latest phase in this hybrid warfare is the insurrection being provoked by the US, UK, Canada and the rest in Hong Kong, using tactics designed to provoke China into suppressing the rioters with force to amplify the anti-Chinese propaganda, or pushing the “protestors” into declaring Hong Kong independent of China and then using force to support them.

Mitch McConnell, an important US senator implicitly threatened just such a scenario in a statement on August 12th stating that the US is warning China not to block the protests and that if they are suppressed trouble will follow.

In other words, the US is claiming that it will protect the thugs in black shirts, the shirts of fascists. This new phase is very dangerous, as the Chinese government has time and again stated, and has to be handled with intelligence and the strength of the Chinese people.

There is now abundant evidence that the UK and US are the black hand behind the events in Hong Kong.

When the Hong Kong Bar association joined in the protests the west claimed that even the lawyers were supporting the protests in an attempt to bring justice to the people. But the leaders of that association are all either UK lawyers or members of law firms based in London, such as Jimmy Chan, head of the so-called Human Civil Rights Front, formed in 2002 with the objective of breaking Honk Kong away from China, such as Kevin Lam, a partner in another London based law firm, and Steve Kwok and Alvin Yeung, members of the anti-China Civic Party who are going to meet with US officials next week.

Kwok has called for the independence of Hong Kong in other visits, some sponsored by the US National Security Council and has called for the US to invoke its Hong Kong Policy Act, which, among other things mandates the US president to issue an order suspending its treatment of Hong Kong as a separate territory in trade matters. The effect of this would be to damage China’s overall trade since a lot of its revenue comes through Hong Kong. The president can invoke the Act if it decides that Hong Kong “is not sufficiently autonomous to justify it being treated separately from China.”

In tandem with Kwok’s call for the use of that Act, US Senator Ted Cruz has filed a Bill titled the Hong Kong Revaluation Act requiring the president to report on “how China exploits Hong Kong to circumvent the laws of the United States.”

But it seems the anti-Chinese propaganda campaign is not having the effect they hoped. The New York Times ran a piece on August 13 stating, “China is waging a disinformation war against the protestors.” Embarrassed by US consular officials being caught red-handed meeting with protest leaders in a hotel in Hong Kong last week and blatant statements of support for the protestors from the US, Canada and UK as well attempts to treat Hong Kong as an independent state, the US intelligence services have now been forced to try to counter China’s accounts of the facts by declaring anything China says as disinformation.

The US and UK objectives are revealed in this statement from the article,

Hong Kong, which Britain returned to Chinese rule in 1997, remains outside China’s firewall, and thus is sitting along one of the world’s most profound online divides. Preserving the city’s freedom to live without the mainland’s controls has become one of the causes now motivating the protests.”

This statement flies in the face of the Basic Law, expressing the agreement between the UK and China when the UK finally agreed to leave Hong Kong. We need to be aware of what the Basic Law says. Promulgated in April 4 1990 but put into effect on July 1, 1997, the date of the hand over of the territory to China, the Preamble states:

Hong Kong has been part of the territory of China since ancient times; it was occupied by Britain after the Opium War in 1840. On 19 December 1984, the Chinese and British Governments signed the Joint Declaration on the Question of Hong Kong, affirming that the Government of the People’s Republic of China will resume the exercise of sovereignty over Hong Kong with effect from 1 July 1997, thus fulfilling the long-cherished common aspiration of the Chinese people for the recovery of Hong Kong.

Upholding national unity and territorial integrity, maintaining the prosperity and stability of Hong Kong, and taking account of its history and realities, the People’s Republic of China has decided that upon China’s resumption of the exercise of sovereignty over Hong Kong, a Hong Kong Special Administrative Region will be established in accordance with the provisions of Article 31 of the Constitution of the People’s Republic of China, and that under the principle of “one country, two systems”, the socialist system and policies will not be practised in Hong Kong. The basic policies of the People’s Republic of China regarding Hong Kong have been elaborated by the Chinese Government in the Sino-British Joint Declaration.

In accordance with the Constitution of the People’s Republic of China, the National People’s Congress hereby enacts the Basic Law of the Hong Kong Special Administrative Region of the People’s Republic of China, prescribing the systems to be practised in the Hong Kong Special Administrative Region, in order to ensure the implementation of the basic policies of the People’s Republic of China regarding Hong Kong.

Hong Kong is a part of China. That is the essential fact set out in the Basic Law agreed to by the UK as well as China. It is an administrative region of China. It is not an independent state and never was when Britain seized it through force and occupied it.

So the claim that the protestors are trying to preserve something that never existed, freedom from China’s control, since Hong Kong is subject to China’s control, is bogus. The fact that China permitted Hong Kong to retain its capitalist system confirms this. The fact that China can impose socialism 50 years after or sooner if certain conditions are met, also confirms this.

The pretexts for the riots, the first being a proposed extradition law between the mainland and Hong Kong which is similar to those that exist between provinces in Canada and states in the USA, the second being the claim that China’s insistence on its sovereignty over the territory somehow overrides the limited autonomy granted Hong Kong and threatens that autonomy, are without any foundation.

One could easily split Canada into pieces based on such bogus arguments or again split up the USA, or even the UK as London sees its rule of Ireland, Wales and Scotland being challenged by nationalist groups. And we know very well what violent protests will bring in swift suppression of such forces if the central governments feel threatened, especially by the violence we see used by the blackshirts in Hong Kong.

We saw what happened in Spain when the Catalans attempted to split from Spain. The leaders of the movement are now in exile. We saw what the US is capable of against demonstrators when it shot them down at Kent State when students were demonstrating peacefully. These things are not forgotten. We know how the British will react to renewed attempts for a united Ireland.

China is facing attacks on several fronts at once and it will require wisdom, endurance and the strength of the Chinese people to defend their revolution and rid themselves of colonial and imperialist domination, once and for all. Those who carry British and American flags in the protests in Hong Kong, reveal who they are. They are not the future of China. They are the living embodiment of a dead history and dead ideas, zombies of the past.

First published 14 August, 2019 at New Eastern Outlook.
Christopher Black is an international criminal lawyer based in Toronto. He is known for a number of high-profile war crimes cases and recently published his novel Beneath the Clouds. He writes essays on international law, politics and world events, especially for the online magazine New Eastern Outlook.

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mark
mark
Aug 20, 2019 3:22 AM

The fake news MSM touted a crowd size of 1.7 million in Hong Kong over the weekend.
More fantasy. This is a quarter of the HK population.

Stephen Morrell
Stephen Morrell
Aug 20, 2019 6:28 AM
Reply to  mark

See this for a rational example of an accurate Hong Kong crowd estimation that doesn’t defy a fundamental law of physics (the Pauli exclusion principle) or basic arithmetic/mathematics (packing density and area), as opposed to the MSM’s lazy contempt for the intelligence of their viewers/readers. MSM estimate: 1.7m. Estimate closer to the real number: 115,000, still 13,000 lower than that of the HK police.

https://www.moonofalabama.org/2019/08/which-hong-kong-protest-size-estimate-is-right.html#more

Rhisiart Gwilym
Rhisiart Gwilym
Aug 18, 2019 10:26 PM

Riposte to the ignorant white-racist ‘Boot Hill’ and his know-nothing sub-fascistic slagging of the Australian Aborigines: What Oz Euro-whities actually OWE to the Aborigines, in effin’ spades:

Jack Leon
Jack Leon
Aug 18, 2019 9:54 PM

“So the claim that the protestors are trying to preserve something that never existed, freedom from China’s control, since Hong Kong is subject to China’s control, is bogus” ???

Really? Isn’t Crimea subject to Ukraines control? Judging by your extensive writings (which I agree with for the most part) on the Ukraine war I would say you absolutely supported Crimeas right to a referendum and succesion, even though historically they never had any independence, sounds bogus to me.

I suppose HK doesn’t get the same rights in your view as it doesn’t fit your frothing rabid anti American narrative. (which I will fairly add, is not unreasonable)

My point is I believe that in this case the majority of HK doesn’t want to become like the mainland, and that is more significant than the US interference/interests.

mark
mark
Aug 19, 2019 2:23 AM
Reply to  Jack Leon

Give them a referendum and just ignore it if it goes the “wrong” way. Same as the UK.

Tim Jenkins
Tim Jenkins
Aug 19, 2019 10:03 AM
Reply to  Jack Leon

Bollocks, you are clearly trolling & or CLUELESS as I suspected ! When you speak ANY one of all the foreign languages involved, having WORKED within their culture PROFESSIONALLY and when you have answered my very SIMPLE questions to you below, get back to me ! I live on the NATZO frontline in the West on the ‘Dreiländereck’ of Bulgaria, Turkey and Greece, within the Border Zone, on the Silk Road and my brother and his family still live on the NATZO frontline in the East and operate out of Hong Kong, Shenzhen, Beijing & Wuhan … you are fucking clueless pal, and imho, you’ve been drafted in as backup for your bosses’ (WHB) blatant failures & incompetence at convincing and disturbing these intelligent discussions here, which include direct first hand experience of the Ukraine & MH17 events, on that night, when I happened to be working with 4 computers… Read more »

Jack Leon
Jack Leon
Aug 20, 2019 3:25 AM
Reply to  Tim Jenkins

You have left the building. Was this an article on intellectual expansion through language? Are u going to even discuss the points at hand?

Tim Jenkins
Tim Jenkins
Aug 23, 2019 6:15 AM
Reply to  Jack Leon

I always leave the building when people can’t answer a variety of very simple questions, wholly pertinent, (like what do you know personally professionally), not hearsay and mainstream media ‘hit-lines’ of pure ego & self interest >>> you are wholly intellectually INCAPABLE of addressing ANY of the critical points, ostensibly beginning with the fact that you have ground zero understanding and respect for others’ cultures, because you’ve never even taken the time to understand “Man O To”, (that’s Farsi for ‘me & you’), let alone others … clearly, you don’t even know your true self, let alone others notions for life. Oh, and the article is all about the various arts of communicating positions & stance, just in case you forgot to even try to comprehend your mother tongue. So far, you’ve only spouted BS that others have wholly falsely informed you of: for example about Hong Kong, or the… Read more »

davemass
davemass
Aug 18, 2019 12:15 PM

Just scrap the SAR, unilaterally-
The Yanks have done that with several treaties, so why shouldn’t China?
Why isn’t Macao rioting? They are Cantonese as well are they not?

Tim Jenkins
Tim Jenkins
Aug 18, 2019 3:45 PM
Reply to  davemass

davemass-ively sound comment 😉

Stephen Morrell
Stephen Morrell
Aug 18, 2019 2:55 AM

Yes, the logic of the WSWS position on the Hong Kong riots is bizarre to say the least. But opportunism tends to do that, even if the opportunism itself is commonplace and isn’t so bizarre. For actual Marxists, China remains a deformed workers state despite significant and increasingly dangerous capitalist inroads initiated by Deng Xiaoping. This means defending China from imperialist attack and internal counterrevolution and building a party inside China to lead a political (not social) revolution to establish organs of workers democracy (eg, soviets). For WSWS, China ceased being a workers state “since the restoration of capitalism in China during the 1970s”. Parenthetically, one might ask, when was the Chinese state apparatus dismantled in a counterrevolution and replaced by another based on defending the institution of private property (as happened with the restoration of capitalism in the USSR)? But that mystery is a discussion for another day. The… Read more »

Tim Jenkins
Tim Jenkins
Aug 18, 2019 10:30 AM

Fair objective intelligent constructive comment, Stephen: thanks and may I add that I always look forward to reading your contributions …

Stephen Morrell
Stephen Morrell
Aug 18, 2019 11:26 AM
Reply to  Tim Jenkins

Thank you Tim. By the way, this excellent piece just appeared in Grayzone. It’s the best article so far on the main players in Hong Kong.

https://thegrayzone.com/2019/08/17/hong-kong-protest-washington-nativism-violence/

Tim Jenkins
Tim Jenkins
Aug 18, 2019 12:33 PM

Thanks for that link, Stephen: the ‘Sponge’ has been squeezed and lobbed into the deep end and I’ll be swimming in that article shortly, already in my browser of choice, ready to mop the brow, stifled by humidity …

Have a fine day,
Regards,
Tim

Maggie
Maggie
Aug 18, 2019 1:36 PM

Excellent deductions and information Stephen.. Here is another brilliant insightful article, to add to yours.

https://www.greanvillepost.com/2019/06/10/hong-kongs-umbrella-revolution-redux-washington-tries-to-destabilise-china-again/

Antonym
Antonym
Aug 18, 2019 2:55 AM

Reality check: the present Off-Guardian would be “offed” within a day under censorship the CPC censorship regime.

Fights are not always simply binary the “Good” vs the “bad”. During WWII five different warriors struggled with each other and happily the two worst got the most damage (Hitler and Stalin). Mao survived to wreck China for a few decades, crippled Roosevelt lost control of the US Deep State and Churchill nicely lost his empire.
Imagine Stalin attacking Hitler first or Mao losing in China, or Roosevelt getting suddenly healthy and powerful….

Martin Usher
Martin Usher
Aug 17, 2019 8:09 PM

You have to ask yourself why they bother. This type of hybrid warfare against a non-enemy, not even a potential threat, seems an enormous waste of resources that makes no sense unless its seen through the lens of a version of the “Great Game”** where it exists merely for the sake of existing. The only explanation must be that there are so many jobs dependent on it that it can’t stop even if it had to because the people involved wouldn’t let it. From a historical perspective the game is a losing proposition., the best that could be hoped for is a stalemate for a period of time. From a social and economic perspective its a huge waste of resources, resources that could be funneled into improving the lot of billions and stabilizing our existence on this planet (because unlike the Victorians we just don’t have the luxury of regarding… Read more »

Rhisiart Gwilym
Rhisiart Gwilym
Aug 17, 2019 7:49 PM

People doing pretty well at ignoring the ‘Bonney’ troll(s) now. Keep it up folks! Strangle the trolls with shunning: careful application of DR. DADE’s medicine: Don’t Read. Don’t Answer Don’t Engage. Scroll past his/her/their input un-glanced. Dead easy to do, I assure y’all. Surest way to strangle them – especially the paid shit-stirring, lying crooks operated by Tel Aviv central. ‘Bonneys’, every one of them. Only worthy of prompt strangulation.

Regarding the – apparent – volunteer half-wit troll named ‘Boot Hill, John Pilger, at his website, has plenty of sober realism and hard facts about the plight of the Australian Aboriginals, to counter the sort of quarter-millimetre-deep, factually-challenged (let’s call it that), toxic, racist rubbish that BH is pushing. Recommended.

Gezzah Potts
Gezzah Potts
Aug 18, 2019 2:01 PM

I echo you about not engaging with the trolls in any way – just ignore their comment. Regards this new one, Boot Hill, the level of openly racist bigotry in Australia is a real eye opener.
I’ve lived here bit over 15 years, and the hatred directed at Aboriginal people as well as Muslims and Sudanese is quite blatant. After the Christchurch massacre (I’m from Christchurch) and after Jacinda Ardern had donned the hijab in solidarity, I had a guy come up to me and go “your bitch Prime Ministers a muzzie, she wears the burkha”.
The vile views Boot Hill expresses here are fairly common in Aussie, especially away from the large cities. You’ve probably seen John Pilger’s documentary Utopia?

Molloy
Molloy
Aug 20, 2019 12:24 PM

Film is called Utopia by John Pilger.

To the eternal shame of 5 Eyes fascists and slave traders everywhere.

Molloy
Molloy
Aug 20, 2019 12:30 PM
Reply to  Molloy

Apologies on behalf of vimeo. Utopia, full film, now on youtube….

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=gYCNWpJuVRQ

¡No pasarán!

Jack Leon
Jack Leon
Aug 17, 2019 5:39 PM

Wow, did this guy just compare human rights abuses in the west to China? Where millions are held indefinitely for their religious beliefs, churches are torn down, outlawed and replaced with pictures of Xi Jing Pooh, bibles burned. If Jewish people were being persecuted like Muslims are in western china we would have invaded already. Writing a book with a gay sex scene is 10 years in prison, people are literally tagged, marked and scored on their dedication to the PRC. China is absolutely the greatest threat to humanity and democratic freedom on the planet, akin to the fourth reich. Honk Kong may be supported by the west, but the motivation is based on the legitimate terror of losing all of their freedoms and human rights, as they will. Anyone supporting this government will be on the wrong side of history. This is not in support of all the atrocities… Read more »

Ramdan
Ramdan
Aug 17, 2019 6:07 PM
Reply to  Jack Leon

“If any one of you is without sin, let him be the first to throw a stone at her”

Harry Stotle
Harry Stotle
Aug 17, 2019 6:08 PM
Reply to  Jack Leon

‘Wow, did this guy just compare human rights abuses in the west to China? ‘ – I think he was refering to the fact settlers from Europe colonised lands belonging to indiginous populations by the use of violence and force (and on a mass scale).

This power was consolidated by decades of slavery allied to a racist culture developed to rationalise these abuses.

At the moment millions (in Britain) have been impoverished by class war aka austerity providing further proof, if proof were needed that the groups like the public school elite or corpocracy are perfectly content to shit on their own citizens.

So lets not pretend that amoral states like Britain, the US or Australia can claim any form of moral authority given their imperial legacy or propensity for economic and military force if weaker countries make the same mistakes as the aborigines or native Americans.

William HBonney
William HBonney
Aug 18, 2019 9:25 AM
Reply to  Harry Stotle

I think he was refering to the fact settlers from Europe colonised lands belonging to indiginous populations by the use of violence and force (and on a mass scale).

Which is entirely irrevelant to the here and now. You cannot justify repression now, by referencing what those long dead did to each other.

Harry Stotle
Harry Stotle
Aug 18, 2019 1:47 PM

The problem is juxtaposing the US as any kind of moral entity against which the actions of China, or ideed any other demonised nation can be judged: Russia, Iran, Korea, Venezuela, Syria, Palestine, all the usual suspects.

The US is the worlds leading terror state, long time ally of despots and in its current guise teetering on the brink of outright fascism, a development that may well supplant the form of corporate cryptofascism that has long defined its internal culture as well the nature of the relationship with all of the other countries it seeks to trample on.

Trump is the catalyst who brought these simmering forces right out into the open, and Americans, those forgotten by Obama, forgotten by Hillary and forgotten by Bill love him for it, even if it means screwing themselves and the rest of the world over.

Tim Jenkins
Tim Jenkins
Aug 18, 2019 3:25 PM
Reply to  Harry Stotle

The devil is in the detail Harry: notice the purpose of the ‘Inception’ music soundtrack to this piece of propaganda by M.M., whose voice, I could listen to no more, after 1:59, I switched off, because … This is the music employed & ‘dubbed’ over “The Great Dictator”, speech by Charlie Chaplin, after so many years of silent movies, the man spoke profoundly, & eloquently: which coincidentally is a speech that I posted, just yesterday in a reply without comment to ‘Nottheonly1’, after much consideration from myself on which version, of the many versions to publish, under ‘NTO1’s comment under the following article, to which Vexarb subsequently comments & reflects upon. The reason I point you towards this very subliminal direction in direction, is that I wish for all readers to fully grasp the wholly scientific relationship between, ‘PHYSIOLOGY & PSYCHOLOGY’ in marketing today, with Hollywood backing from its’ ‘INCEPTION’… Read more »

Harry Stotle
Harry Stotle
Aug 18, 2019 5:54 PM
Reply to  Tim Jenkins

Agreed: I would have preferred Michael Moores monologue without the music because the content stands up on its own in my opinion. I linked to the speech because is a precis of the central message in his film ‘Farenheit 11/9’ which, for those who haven’t seen it, begins by asking – ‘how the fuck did that happen’ – ie Trump being elected president. The film’s pivotal moment occurs during the Flint water crises: a crises engineered by Michigans’ corrupt governor, Rick Synder, so as to benefit big business. Flint’s unsafe water is predominantly consumed by poor black families. Obama is summoned to Michigan and it is first assumed that he is there to fight on their behalf. In fact he’s not: Obama sides with the corporations. In front of a packed audience he asks for a glass of Flint water then drinks it signifying its supposed safety despite toxicology reports… Read more »

Tim Jenkins
Tim Jenkins
Aug 18, 2019 3:32 PM
Reply to  Harry Stotle

oh and one last thing Harry, note carefully the final high frequency ‘squelch’ over & out & a specifically audible finale, that moves to ‘Cut’, for extra stunning effect in brain-waves & thought processing of the physical kind, with a view to emphasis of the psychological subliminal ‘training’, in play: which makes Uriah Heap & Black Sabbath look like novices, in terms of carefully & heavily orchestrated refinement . . . (chuckle) 😉

Jack Leon
Jack Leon
Aug 18, 2019 7:28 PM
Reply to  Harry Stotle

“The US is the worlds leading terror state”? You are in the context of this argument inferring you would rather live in China. The US is a corporate communist state, it is run as all Western civilizations under control of banks, financial giants and captains of industry. They have destroyed countless nations, Vietnam, Korea, Iraq, Iran, Syria, Lybia, Yemen, Honduras and more, mostly i the name of money and power. They have murdered Millions and Millions of innocent people in the last century alone. Anyone in here that thinks that, Imperial Japan, Germany, The Soviet Union or China, given the opportunity would have consolidated power through less violent means literally lives in a fluff cloud filled with rainbows and unicorns. The fake war on terror, drugs, indigenous genocide, countless wars, slavery are all atrocious facets of American history, none of which change the fact that right now America is still… Read more »

Tim Jenkins
Tim Jenkins
Aug 23, 2019 6:33 AM
Reply to  Jack Leon

I would much rather live in China than the USA, because the USA is not only the biggest backer of terrorism and drug distribution and everything-everything that is wrong in this world today, but also the USA has the HIGHEST number of PEOPLE INCARCERATED >>> in prison, pal ! You really are so stupid with your trolling that you are in full denial of the facts and just throwing straw men & straw dogs, as the most simple projection & transference and ‘look over there’ tactics & strategy, that will not wash, in these circles @OffG’suss & riddle me this one … The state of California just turned in a $6 BILLION profit on their prison systems, for what they call ‘Justice’ (so far removed!): is this the future that you want, where we just lock everybody up who even just dares to think differently about the 50,000 homeless in… Read more »

Tim Jenkins
Tim Jenkins
Aug 23, 2019 7:34 AM
Reply to  Jack Leon

Oh & Jack, just in case you don’t understand English or French (it certainly appears), for the street expression in your neck of the woods, where bears shit, what you do is called “GASLIGHTING” … and may I respectfully suggest that you take a lighter and hold it right up your bum, next time you fart 😉 and don’t forget to ignite … 🙂

Jack Leon
Jack Leon
Aug 18, 2019 7:14 PM
Reply to  Harry Stotle

I’m by no means disillusioned to the fact of how America, Britain or any western power has attained or maintains their contol and power. The colonial acts of our forefathers have no bearing in comparing our current regimes. I’m simply stating that the level of control exerted on peoples free will within these countries and China are literally not even close.
China is a worksheet to absolute totalitarian dissolution of individualism and freedom. Like another commenter stated none of us would even be having this conversation in China.
People that have lived under regimes like dictator Xi and worse, can appreciate the freedoms that clearly are so easily traded for indignant self righteousness.

Tim Jenkins
Tim Jenkins
Aug 23, 2019 6:37 AM
Reply to  Jack Leon

SO TELL US HOW YOU KNOW ?

BRING IT ON !!!

FINALLY STAND UP & BECOME MAN !

Martin Usher
Martin Usher
Aug 17, 2019 8:26 PM
Reply to  Jack Leon

Chinese society — a very old culture — has always included a lot of minorities. It also values harmony and stability. Any attempt to cause friction or instability will get push back. It won’t be because of religion per se but any attempt to use religion as a wedge to promote disunity will be countered. Hong Kong was a British colony for many years under the terms of a lease. During this time there was no democracy in the colony, it was ruled from London (although, obviously, like any other municipal district it would have had a lot of local control over its day to day activities). Since it reverted back to China at the end of the lease the colony has been semi-autonomous, retaining a lot of local control but part of the PRC. We hear a lot about “Freedom and Democracy” but mostly from people who don’t understand… Read more »

Jack Leon
Jack Leon
Aug 18, 2019 8:00 PM
Reply to  Martin Usher

Freedom and Democracy can be very abstract and even deceiving terms as our elected (carefully vetted bots) don’t even have control over the most significant policy decisions, monetary policy. Freedom of speech, mobility, sexuality, religion(for purpose of faith, which in itself is a threat to PRC), these are clealy evident in a persons day to day existence. Being assigned a social score based on who you choose to socialize with, your faith, how much time you spend reading official propaganda, if you put recycling in the wrong bin, if you jaywalk, being rewarded for turning on your neighbours, friends and family. Then restricting your ability to be part of society, publicly shaming non conformist based on your score, this is the wet dream of a authoritarian dictatorship. It is a project of human control that goes way beyond freedom or democratic or human rights, these are clearly evident erosions of… Read more »

Tim Jenkins
Tim Jenkins
Aug 23, 2019 7:03 AM
Reply to  Jack Leon

I’m seriously considering leaving the ignorant barbarous multitudes, with absurd kiddy viewpoints from brainwashing & censorship, for to facilitate Mafia Fascist Rule in the EU & Western nations, inc. Apartheid in Israel, for good: I mean specifically any system that needs to pay for trolls like you to maintain their charades, charades that have compromised the whole of academia & science, cannot be worth saving or contributing to, any more … My creative knowledge & scientific wisdom, is your loss: so you are, WRONG AGAIN PAL ! Some of us have had no problem living & working in China & Hong Kong for many many decades, as well as other languages & cultures: and you Jack, are so naive, poorly educated & brainwashed & spouting just junk comments, that demonstrate that you have “Zero, undoubtedly literally zero.” knowledge of what I’m talking about and you also have “Zero, undoubtedly literally… Read more »

Francis Lee
Francis Lee
Aug 17, 2019 9:31 PM
Reply to  Jack Leon

Join the discussion. Yeah right. It’s difficult when there are those who don’t want a discussion but simply want to make cheap, usually irrelevant points. This is the premise that they always, and I mean always, start from. 1. There are good countries and there are bad countries. The good countries are the US and its empire – including most importantly Israel. 2. Then there are bad countries – Russia, China, Iran and so forth. It may seem that the good countries include Saudi Arabia, and apartheid Zionist state of Israel, with its proven IDF kid-killers who are occasionally unleashed to ‘mow the grass’ in Gaza as the Zionists would put it. But these are ‘good’ mass murderers and tyrants as opposed to Eurasian types. This of course represents the Manichean-schizophrenic mindset of the true believer. And there is not much point in arguing with him. The mind-level is frankly… Read more »

Tim Jenkins
Tim Jenkins
Aug 18, 2019 10:03 AM
Reply to  Jack Leon

Hi Jack, (obviously highly unlikely your real name), any chance you’ll be contributing intelligently and knowledgeably, fielding working experience from any profession, to this comments section ? 1) What do you know about China? 2) What is your professional realm(s) of knowledge, that relates … ? 3) Can you speak Mandarin or Cantonese ? 4) Do you have any Chinese family ? 5) Are you happy with your government ? 6) Where do you live ‘happily’ today, in good conscience ? Your starter for 6, after which I feel confidant I can destroy your pig ignorant arrogant bullshit comment, for which I suspect you were paid: coz’ imho, only a paid moron would write such a dumb fucked up culturally ignorant & insulting comment, specifically most insulting to the author of what is a fine article, from a person who is clearly far wiser and more developed intellectually than you… Read more »

William HBonney
William HBonney
Aug 18, 2019 11:51 AM
Reply to  Tim Jenkins

3) Can you speak Mandarin or Cantonese ?

Neither can you, but you can simulate it with Google Translate.

Oliver
Oliver
Aug 18, 2019 2:14 PM
Reply to  Tim Jenkins
    China was attacked on August 12 2015, 6 hours after the departure of UK foreign secretary Philip Hammond from Tianjin. The explosion sequence at Tianjin left a crater 100m across. The energy required to do this is measured in kilotons. On August 20 the Chinese banned the import of crab from Anglesey in Wales citing ‘toxic chemicals’ and ‘heavy metals’, a diplomatic way of saying that the Wylfa nuclear power station had been identified as the plutonium source.

    Likeliest delivery system was the ‘Taranis’ stealth drone.

Tim Jenkins
Tim Jenkins
Aug 18, 2019 2:46 PM
Reply to  Oliver

Big thanks for this pointer Oliver, for everybody’s benefit: I recall studying and analysing the chain & implications of that horrific & devastating explosion, searching film immediately &&& we can already guess much of the rest, that will be revealed in good time, more conclusively …

You just made my hair stand up, reminding me …

Again thanks and compliment for some serious critical thinking.
Regards,
Tim

Jack Leon
Jack Leon
Aug 18, 2019 8:26 PM
Reply to  Tim Jenkins

Nothing, not one thing you stated has any relevance on this discussion, literally just a vat of insults based on your belief of your vast comprehension of Chinese culture. “when I was in Hong Kong & China long before the handover in ’97’, during the handover and after the handover of various ‘exchanges’ and have a brother who has lived in China for over 35 years and we have much Chinese family … and of course, we study the currency matters in play daily, as a big culturally diverse international family, like checking the strength of the Yuan/RMB and the Hong Kong Dollar, that is still pegged to the US Dollar …”????? What does any of this have to do with my beliefs that the current Chinese government (which has pulled more people out of poverty than any government ever, and has accomplished great things) is imprisoning millions of people… Read more »

Maggie
Maggie
Aug 18, 2019 1:40 PM
Reply to  Jack Leon

Jack Leon…. F off troll!

Jack Leon
Jack Leon
Aug 18, 2019 8:29 PM
Reply to  Maggie

Disagreeing with the premise of this article makes me a troll? Mature response

mark
mark
Aug 18, 2019 3:32 PM
Reply to  Jack Leon

Just spew out all the standard Regime Change talking points. We now have “millions in concentration camps.” Perhaps its six million, being turned into soap and lamp shades. This concern for supposed Moslem grievances is all very touching from countries which have invaded the moslem world slaughtering, starving and immiserating tens of millions and bombing countries back to the Stone Age. If I was a moslem, I think I’d take my chances with China. It is not China which has rampaged its way across the planet like Nazi Germany on steroids, currently waging economic warfare against most of the planet and threatening simultaneous wars against Iran, Venezuela, DPRK, Russia, China, and half the other countries in the world. Hong Kong is just the latest in a long line of Washington Regime Change projects, conceived, planned, directed, bankrolled and orchestrated by the same CIA Front Groups. Tell Julian Assange, Chelsea Manning… Read more »

Jack Leon
Jack Leon
Aug 18, 2019 8:37 PM
Reply to  mark

The concern for Muslims is not the point, at all, Christians are having their churches destroyed and literally not allowed to congregate as well, just so u know. Also what is happening in western China will likely be introduced to regular Han Chinese. I’m very well aware of the invasion and desecration of muslim countries in the name of a completely BS war on terror, and I was and am a staunch critic of every such campaign, doesn’t mean I support the largest country in the world openly rolling back human rights to the dark ages. If your country arbitrarily decided to imprison hundreds of thousands or millions of citizens for having whats app, or a beard or writing a book with a homosexual scene in it I would hope u would be concerned.

mark
mark
Aug 19, 2019 2:31 AM
Reply to  Jack Leon

In China you can worship whatever gods you like provided they are not socially harmful or promote violence. But they are rightly suspicious of imported foreign cults that have literally caused the deaths of millions in the past.

Western countries have precious little authority to preach lofty sermons to anybody about human rights. Their records, past and present, are uniformly appalling. China could not hold a candle to them in the oppression stakes.

Tim Jenkins
Tim Jenkins
Aug 23, 2019 7:17 AM
Reply to  Jack Leon

YOU ARE SO POORLY EDUCATED THAT YOU DON’T EVEN KNOW WHICH IS THE LARGEST COUNTRY IN THE WORLD !

RUSSIA >>> NINE TIME ZONES , YOU TROLL ! and before you respond with population numbers, China is not the largest on that front anymore, either, you complete fuckin’ ignoramus !

Get a life & stop trolling ! Start learning, boy …

https://data.mongabay.com/igapo/world_statistics_by_area.htm

Jen
Jen
Aug 19, 2019 3:56 AM
Reply to  Jack Leon

You had better be prepared to back up your statements with facts, as opposed to repeating whatever the MSM says.

If millions of people are being arrested and imprisoned for their religious beliefs in China, you should be supporting that statement with links to websites or blogs showing satellite images of the prisons or camps where these people are being held.

If churches and other buildings are being destroyed, you need to show where in China they are being torn down.

It helps to be able to spell the name of China’s current President as well.

It would also help if you didn’t resemble another Canadian-based troll who used to flood Off-Guardian comments threads with comments with the intent to distract attention and disrupt discussion.

Harry Stotle
Harry Stotle
Aug 19, 2019 12:42 PM
Reply to  Jen

Indeed, Jen – apart from that it astonishes me how any rational person can believe the western corpocracy gives a shit about conditions in Hong Kong …….. or Afghanistan, or Iraq, or Syria, or Venezuela, or of course the poor souls (allegedly) surrounded by Gaddafi’s forces in Benghazi, conveniently providing a false pretext for further failed military intervention (thus turning Libya into a failed state riven with slave markets and sectarian violence). How can anyone take the US seriously when they cannot even provide water that is not a significant health risk to the citizens of Flint (money for bombs, yes, clean water, sadly, no). At the car plant it was different – once it was known lead polluted water compromised the standard of car components the supply was soon switched back its original source, Lake Huron, rather than the murky Flint river flowing from the taps of predominantly poor… Read more »

nottheonly1
nottheonly1
Aug 17, 2019 4:39 PM

Thank You for this explanation of the facts about this situation. Two days ago I commented on what now appears to be definitely controlled opposition – ‘wsws.org’ – a comment that differed from what You wrote only in phrasing and length. The reason why I commented in the first place was the incessant use by the ‘wsws’ of the term ‘regime’ when addressing China. The finger pointing was sickening and the willful blindness towards the openly fascist policies of the West, especially fascist U.S., did not sit too well with the hypocrites at wsws. Their rabid attack on China and their outrage at the Trump remark of “knowing Xi JinPing well” outed them for what they really are: controlled opposition. As if the former illegal annexation and subsequent occupation of Hong Kong by the fascist UK would have created a tectonic split separating Hong Kong from the Eurasian plate. By… Read more »

Jack Leon
Jack Leon
Aug 18, 2019 8:41 PM
Reply to  Guy

I pointed fingers the day Obomba and HRC let Zelaya be outed to turn the country into a failed narco state, this article is about HK.

mark
mark
Aug 19, 2019 2:35 AM
Reply to  Jack Leon

30 million plus illegal immigrants in the US. Half the country de facto part of Mexico. Uncle Sam has been hoist with his own petard, after his endless cowboy antics and intrigues in Honduras, Guatemala, El Salvador, Nicaragua.

Tim Jenkins
Tim Jenkins
Aug 23, 2019 8:01 AM
Reply to  Jack Leon

Weren’t you such a good little boy, pointing fingers and forgetting about the corruption within the CIA and their drugs wars, which they fuelled long before HRC & Obama were in the room. Indeed they still fuel drug wars: ever heard of Dilayna Gaytandzhieva and/or Silkway Airlines’ 747’a to & from Transit Hub Azerbaijan, arms flown in for distribution to the terrorists in all directions and drugs out, the return load, to & from Bulgaria, jack ?

This article is about HK and we wish to know what you know, personally about HK or China, for that matter, not hearsay propaganda & old gaslighting !

Alles Klar ? See ?

Boot Hill
Boot Hill
Aug 17, 2019 2:18 PM

“….Australia who have the worst human rights records in the world with respect to their indigenous peoples,”

What’s this bollocks that Australia treats its aboriginal people badly??? Are you kidding?? Any human rights violations and the lefty millions would rise up in righteous anger. They get billions, and I mean many billions spent on them, houses built for them, land handed over, the lot. They even get a larger dole than a non-aboriginal person. That’s why lots of white people claim they are aboriginal and get an excellent deal out of the system. Seriously if you are aboriginal in Australia and claim you are oppressed, then its more likely to be the corrupt tribal elders doing it than whitey.

George
George
Aug 17, 2019 2:48 PM
Reply to  Boot Hill

“the lefty millions would rise up in righteous anger”

If only!

“lots of white people claim they are aboriginal ”

With boot polish perhaps?

Boot Hill
Boot Hill
Aug 18, 2019 7:36 AM
Reply to  George

“With boot polish perhaps”

Bwahahahahaha If only. No, the aboriginals are perfectly white. Its called self-identity politics. You only need a smidgeon of aboriginal blood, perhaps 1/200 and its quite acceptable.

George Cornell
George Cornell
Aug 17, 2019 3:45 PM
Reply to  Boot Hill

Aren’t you forgetting that in Tasmania the settlers lined up, marched across the island separated from each other by only metres and shot all Aboriginals on sight. Real sweeties they were. I suppose that does not qualify as bad in your view.

Yes there are attempts at redress but genocide, which that was in its most egregious form, is not easy to compensate. Your attitude is disgraceful, if you don’t mind me saying, and speaks volumes, best left unsaid.

George Cornell
George Cornell
Aug 17, 2019 3:48 PM
Reply to  George Cornell

And the land handed over (so magnanimously), as you put it? You mean the land taken by force and now handed back in minuscule amounts? That land?

Boot Hill
Boot Hill
Aug 18, 2019 7:54 AM
Reply to  George Cornell

This happened to the ancestors of the current generation of aboriginals. Redress for the practices of the past to be paid to the current generation is an insoluble moral question. Presumably you are in favour of reparations paid to African-Americans for slavery? How far back to you want to go? Demand reparations from Rome for invading Britain in 60BC? The point I was trying to make is that aboriginals in Australia are well treated and a lot of government money is spent on their welfare, unlike the Palestinians for example. In Australia, its cool and hip in some government departments to be a white aboriginal. Do you want the current Australian state and population to roll itself up and hand it all back to the former “owners”? If so, its not practical or desirable, the aboriginals would lose their welfare benefits and access to modern weapons. The world as it… Read more »

George Cornell
George Cornell
Aug 18, 2019 8:01 AM
Reply to  Boot Hill

It is indeed a very difficult dilemma but you were painting a rosy picture which seemed OTT.
Reparations are appropriate under the circumstances but they should not be resented or boasted about.

mark
mark
Aug 18, 2019 3:47 PM
Reply to  Boot Hill

Give the whole place back to the Abos and the roos. Could only be an improvement on what there is now.

Western Values
Western Values
Aug 17, 2019 4:41 PM
Reply to  Boot Hill

It’s an open secret, most of the fundings go into the pocket of the government’s contractor/blue-eyed/rich friends.

It’s a British tradition to meticulously plan aid in a way that the publicly intended recipient never receive any penny except what shows in photo shoots for public relations purposes.

Can we tell you, here, to get stuffed?! Sorry, it that’s too harsh, but I am sure you have a thick skin. So, I believe it wouldn’t matter what we say.

Rhisiart Gwilym
Rhisiart Gwilym
Aug 17, 2019 7:28 PM
Reply to  Boot Hill

Your in the wrong place, Boot, if you think that sort of ignorant redneck fascist rubbish will pass muster here.

William HBonney
William HBonney
Aug 18, 2019 2:54 AM

Disturbing your echo chamber, was he?

Ceres
Ceres
Aug 18, 2019 1:54 PM
Reply to  Boot Hill

Australia really has a terrible history and a terrible present when it comes to the treatment of its indigenous people. I’m amazed whenever I hear their government blathering on about “human rights”! Not too many human rights for aboriginal Australians with a huge degree of persecution by a white racist police force. Most of the gaols are packed with aboriginals, many there for minor misdemeanors like unpaid parking tickets etc. My guess is that you’re about twenty times more likely to be harrassed by the police if you look aboriginal. The imprisonment rates for aboriginal australians probably exceeds the internment rates for uyghurs in China on a percapita basis. 1 in 50 Australians have been to prison ? 1 in 6 First Nations people have been to prison One in 50 Australians living have been to prison. More than 500,000 Australians living have been incarcerated. One in 625 Australians are… Read more »

mark
mark
Aug 18, 2019 3:44 PM
Reply to  Boot Hill

Most of the Abos were simply exterminated in the colonial period, like the Redskins in America, or the Darkies in the Belgian Congo.
Abos were gunned down for sport in organised hunting parties, sort of like going after grouse or rabbits. Women laid on picnics to turn it into a fun day out for all the family.
The survivors were so marginalised, destitute and powerless, that it wasn’t worth the bullets to finish off the remainder. They could just be enslaved and treated as a curiosity, like the duck billed platypus.

Western Values
Western Values
Aug 17, 2019 2:15 PM

What an exceptional breed of lowlife degenerates, they love Chinese investments. With the money earned, they want to build military installations to attack China.

0use4msm
0use4msm
Aug 17, 2019 2:08 PM

This is a 21st century equivalent of the Opium wars. China ought to kick out any consuls that are caught prompting the protest leaders.

Tim Jenkins
Tim Jenkins
Aug 23, 2019 8:17 AM
Reply to  0use4msm

The Opium Wars never actually ended my friend: and the financial clout involved in these drug wars of Mafia Fascist Bosses in the West, very much largely including the CIA ( is naturally against the Triads, actually), is why we are seeing so much trouble in Hong Kong, as the Central Banks and Banking systems in the West, are exposed for their Narco-collusion in the banking world, with everybody from El Chapo to the Pope and his convicted pedophile Vatican Bank Treasurer, Cardinal Sinner George Pell, banged up in OZ’, presently, as well … What is happening in Hong Kong has absolutely nothing to do with extraditions and in fact the extradition case that sparked & ignited the troubles, was likely wholly justified, but, a mere facade and Joshua Wong is quite possibly a lot more than just some CIA trained Spook & Stooge ‘student’, but that will all be… Read more »

Gezzah Potts
Gezzah Potts
Aug 17, 2019 1:45 PM

Thanks Christopher for your takedown of the nefarious machinations by the hegemon to bring China to its knees, all in its flailing and increasingly desperate attempts to remain Top Dog. Almost daily it seems in the Aussie media are stories vilifying and demonising China, while Aussie politicians line up behind the United States in their role as apparatchiks of the Anglo Zionist Empire.
Its completely cringeworthy to see how low Aussie politicians will crawl in their pathetic attempts to suck up to those they obey in Washington, and I might add Tel Aviv also. I’m not even Australian, and I feel embarrassed. And yet, the most irrational thing of all: China is Australia’s largest trading partner. How many billions is the Australian Govt putting at risk, all to play deputy sheriff? A dying Empire is also a very dangerous beast.

George Cornell
George Cornell
Aug 17, 2019 1:22 PM

This from the Gatestone Institute, a self-described “non-partisan” think tank, which says their aim is to educate the public about things not reported in the Mainstream media. President Nina Rosenwald , VP Naomi Perlman. They are a scary lot and close to John Bolton. They routinely bash China under the byline of a Chinese name and use Muslim names to bash Muslims. Here is a brief snippet from today. ———- “America Can Stop China from Dominating Artificial Intelligence–And Should by Gordon G. Chang • August 17, 2019 at 5:00 The People’s Republic of China, nonetheless, is already an AI powerhouse, and for America to maintain its edge—and to prevent U.S. tech from being used for exceedingly disturbing purposes —Washington should force U.S. companies to end cooperative AI projects in China. The West should be seriously concerned: whoever wins at AI will both dominate the global economy and field the most… Read more »

George
George
Aug 17, 2019 2:51 PM
Reply to  George Cornell

““non-partisan” think tank” – there’s a warning right away.

“their aim is to educate the public about things not reported in the Mainstream media” – ah yes – that old left liberal media distorting the patriotic truth!

George Cornell
George Cornell
Aug 17, 2019 3:28 PM
Reply to  George

Yes, it belongs in the oxymoron Hall of Fame.

William HBonney
William HBonney
Aug 17, 2019 1:14 PM

What a hypocritical use of liberty and free speech, from a westerner, to criticise those who would seek it from themselves.

George
George
Aug 17, 2019 2:52 PM

“What a hypocritical use of liberty and free speech”

Well – you’d know all about that Billy Boy!

Cascadian
Cascadian
Aug 18, 2019 6:50 PM

Are you still here? Still, I suppose air is free, even to those who don’t deserve it.

Western Values
Western Values
Aug 17, 2019 12:54 PM

Reported in May 2019, Donald Trump’s former chief strategist Steve Bannon declared:

‘Shutting down’ Huawei ‘10 times more important’ than trade deal with China… ‘We are going to shut it down’.

Previousy, Brendan Carr of the Federal Communications Commission said that companies that want access to US markets need to first prove they “share Western values.”

Please note, Steve Bannon is worshipped by Chinese VOA (Voice of america) listeners/viewers at the same time they worship Jesus Christ in underground churches.

Freak show
Freak show
Aug 17, 2019 12:28 PM

“.. carry British and American flags in the protests in Hong Kong”

Holding “We want our democracy” and “We want our freedom” pacards is an illusion: a tap with running water but not connected to any pipe.

Maggie
Maggie
Aug 17, 2019 11:08 PM
Reply to  Freak show

@ Freak Show
All these ”protesters” were recruited by ‘V’ (previously Blackwater) from the Philipines in 2009.

Freak show
Freak show
Aug 17, 2019 12:18 PM

Up to 2 million protestors running amok (in HK) for dodgy cooked up premises.

And our Assange is languishing in jail, suffering alow torture, and no ‘Free Assange’ placard in sight in Sydney.

The brainless in HK haven’t heard of what is happening to Assange, and pretend not to know who is torturing him. They are even raising the disgusting american flag on HK streets. It is a freak show.

And it doesn’t make sense.

William HBonney
William HBonney
Aug 17, 2019 3:09 PM
Reply to  Freak show

The brainless in HK

Where do you get off, patronising millions of people, whose plight you cannot understand, from your bedsit?

You are what Lenin described as a ‘useful idiot’. Neither side respects you.

Sophie - Admin1
Admin
Sophie - Admin1
Aug 17, 2019 3:27 PM

We’re confident no one will waste time responding to this blatant attempt to provoke a reaction

William HBonney
William HBonney
Aug 18, 2019 2:20 AM

We’re confident no one will waste time responding to this blatant attempt to provoke a reaction

What curious champions of free speech you are… You see no contradiction in your free speech stance, whilst promoting countries with no free speech–I would say its only your own free speech you value.

Try running a counter culture and anti government site in the middle kingdom, and see what happens.

mark
mark
Aug 18, 2019 12:22 AM
Reply to  Freak show

The true figure is probably about 200,000.
There are only 7 million in Hong Kong, including old people and new born babies.
The Regime Change Merchants constantly inflate crowd sizes to a ludicrous extent.
When Morsi was overthrown in Egypt, crowd sizes of 30/ 33/ and even 34 million were touted by the MSM, out of a population of 85 million. Impartial sources, using Google Earth and similar systems, gave an estimate of half a million.
Any accounts in the western MSM need to be treated with considerable scepticism.

mark
mark
Aug 18, 2019 12:35 AM
Reply to  mark

Events in HK bear a remarkable resemblance to those in the Ukraine Maidan 5 years ago.
Western politicians and diplomats and CIA Front Groups like the NED playing an active part.
Providing money, advice, training, orchestrating demonstrations and riots.
Constantly trying to provoke increasing violence.
Steadily escalating demands that can never be met.
Any concession immediately rejected out of hand.
The aim being regime change and the destabilisation of the rest of China.
Linked to the ongoing military confrontation with China, economic warfare, propaganda, and incitement of Islamic terrorism.
China should reassert control over HK, suppressing riots with all necessary force, expelling subversive foreign politicians and organisations.
If elements in HK are willing to act as tools of hostile foreign powers, they need to accept the consequences of their actions.

William HBonney
William HBonney
Aug 18, 2019 4:47 AM
Reply to  mark

@Admin, OffG (whatever you call yourself)

The concept of free speech specifically excludes incitement to violence, and yet, your eagle eyes have completely failed to spot this

suppressing riots with all necessary force

in the post above. Strangely, though, you are all over my commentary like a rash..

George Cornell
George Cornell
Aug 18, 2019 6:37 PM

Yes, like a diaper rash.

mark
mark
Aug 19, 2019 7:52 PM

If that affects your delicate sensibilities then for heaven’s sake don’t watch any footage of Madrid’s Fascist Boot Boys clubbing down women and old people in Catalonia, Macron’s Goon Squads blinding and maiming demonstrators by the score in Paris, or the Washington Gestapo clubbing and tasering Occupy folk sitting peaceably in the road. Or the IDF kiddie killers blowing off the heads of 9 year olds with British sniper rifles and dum dum bullets.

Maggie
Maggie
Aug 18, 2019 11:43 AM
Reply to  mark

Where did the ‘Chinese’ (looking) protesters emerge from?
They were recruited from the Philippines in 2009.

Maggie
Maggie
Aug 18, 2019 11:53 AM
Reply to  Maggie

2016 Presiden Duerte told US to get out of Philippines.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-ozcwK2zex4Join the discussion…

2017 President Duerte says US want Philippines to fight China.

Fair dinkum
Fair dinkum
Aug 17, 2019 10:28 AM

They do what they do for their own evil ends.
It makes me ashamed to call myself an Aussie.

Maggie
Maggie
Aug 17, 2019 11:11 PM
Reply to  Fair dinkum

Fair Dinkim,
Your fellow Aussies are all being brainwashed and propagandised ready for the war with China, just as they were Korea. You are this year’s patsies.
I bet your History Channels, TV and films are all about your war with Korea?

Fair dinkum
Fair dinkum
Aug 18, 2019 2:13 AM
Reply to  Maggie

War with China?
Too late. The economic invasion is done and dusted. We are foreign owned, lock, stock and barrel.
Tens of billions are being spent on submarines and fighter jets to prop up the MIC, as thousands go homeless.
Psychotics rule.

eddie
eddie
Aug 17, 2019 10:19 AM

The Five-Eyes mutts are still lying & barking, but the caravan has truly moved on; taking the high road to win-win economic co-operation with the other 190 countries of the world..

JTMcPhee
JTMcPhee
Aug 17, 2019 3:52 PM
Reply to  eddie

Win-win just how? All based, like all the rest of the world’s political economy, on growth and consumption. Driven by the lizard brain. All points to global collapse, of human population right along with the other species and ecosystem we all are winning our way toward. And the billionaires want to export this “system” of terminally cancerous attitudes, beliefs and behaviors to other planets and beyond. Anyone else note the parallels between our human behaviors, conquering and consuming to death and moving on to the next place, and those of the boo-hiss aliens in “Independence Day”? The US Imperial military mostly exists to assure the supplies of petroleum that it, the largest consumer of petroleum on the planet, needs to keep on waging war and disruption, all just in assuring itself the petroleum it needs to keep this idiotic loop closed. I’d vote to loose the drone swarms and disseminate… Read more »

BigB
BigB
Aug 17, 2019 8:11 PM
Reply to  Editor

You don’t actually have to be a misanthropist to draw a similar set of negative conclusions. I hope against hope we’ll snap out of it: but over the last 40 years I’ve watched us accelerate the worst and cannibalise the best …for quarterly shareholder returns that benefit no one (not even the rich). For all our great achievements: the next decade or so will decide whether we are a viable species or not. It’s a brave economist – or Jay Powell – who will not admit that we are on the cusp of a global recession …of orders of magnitude greater than the GFC. However it pans out: the chances are that we will refloat the assets of the already super-rich – at the expense of the productive and social welfare economy – and carry on sucking the life out of the planet …killing our co-evolutionary interspecies communities without compunction… Read more »

George Cornell
George Cornell
Aug 18, 2019 6:35 PM
Reply to  BigB

Survival of the species may turn out to be more a function of expanding populations like it is with insects, or cells of the immune system. and/or because of space colonization, more than successful cohabitation. Our gossamer thin veneer of civilization, predicted to expand with the abolition of epidemic disease and with attenuation of malnutrition, has done anything but.
You’re right, the time to panic has been upon us for decades. Are we engineered to fail, having to rejig on the fly, cursed with drives which once helped us survive? It is a recurrent dark thought.

George
George
Aug 17, 2019 6:25 PM
Reply to  JTMcPhee

I certainly noticed that the behaviour of the aliens in “Independence Day” read like a projection of …no, not “our” behaviour but that of the capitalist system i.e. like a locust swarm depleting every environment it touches.

Bootlyboob
Bootlyboob
Aug 18, 2019 12:24 AM
Reply to  George

Chronicles of Riddick has a similar theme. Much better movie than Independence Day as well.