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Is ‘hate-crime’ a media-creation?

Do we accept the designation of ‘hate crime’ simply because state and corporate sponsored outlets ask us to, or do we interrogate beyond the proffered narrative?

Renee Parsons

As part of Remarks by President Trump on Mass Shootings in Texas and Ohio on August 5th, President Donald Trump announced that.

Today, I am also directing the Department of Justice to propose legislation ensuring that those who commit hate crimes and mass murders face the death penalty, and that this capital punishment be delivered quickly, decisively, and without years of needless delay

Normally it might have been expected that the mainstream media would run with Trump’s support of the death-penalty-for-hate-crimes as proof positive that the man is off his rocker. Instead, the statement garnered barely a flicker of public notice. Did anyone in authority bother to confirm that the shootings were indeed motivated by ‘hate?’

As the mainstream media consistently rush to judgment, speculation too often becomes fact before all the evidence is considered (ie Russiagate) as the MSM is relied on to provide factual and critical background information.

And yet since 65% of the American public believe that the MSM is peddling fake news begs the question of why should detailed reporting on these tragic events be left to a discredited media establishment or that their information on these recent shootings be considered truthful? 

Why should the American public trust the MSM for what may have already been determined to be a ‘hate’ crime without providing evidence of the hate – as the Divide and Rule Game continues undeterred sowing division and conflict among the American people.

It remains unclear exactly why either tragedy is being specifically labeled a “hate” crime instead of felony murder as if there is a larger agenda to establish ‘hate’ as a bona fide. 

Obviously, such barbaric mass killings are not normal behavior as the rationale for such conduct must stem from some deep emotional depravity just as the epidemic of suicides of young white males who have lost hope in American society makes no more sense.

There is an endemic crisis throughout the country and the political class are responsible. Decades after federal government elimination of grants for community mental health programs, ‘hate’ is the favorite determinant factor as the world’s most violent nation creates a generation of emotionally or mentally unstable young men, many of whom may be on mind-numbing psychiatric drugs. 

Since the MSM has failed to inform the American public of advanced mind control practices; perhaps the MSM itself and the young shooters are part of widespread experiment using MK Ultra or other state-of-the-art brain manipulation techniques.  How would the American public ever know which might be true?

The 21 year old El Paso shooter was immediately identified  as a right wing Trumper acting on behalf of the President’s “hate” rhetoric and that he had posted an anti-immigration racist tract entitled  An Inconvenient Truth – all of which turned out to be something less than the truth.

Decrying mass immigration as an environmental plea for population control sounds more like something John Muir might have written rather than a hate-filled racist diatribe justifying the slaughter.  

Perusing the alleged politically charged manifesto included such statements:

Our lifestyle is destroying the environment of our country…If we can get rid of enough people, then our way of life can become more sustainable.

There is, however, a problematic psychiatrist father of uncertain character in the background as the shooter drove 650 miles from his home to El Paso before committing the crime and surrendering to authorities.

On the other hand, the Dayton shooter also defies the usual partisan identity and has been acknowledged as a 24-year old member of the Democratic Socialist Party, a Bernie and Elizabeth Warren supporter and was dressed and masked as an Antifa member at the time of the shooting.  His weapons and ammo magazines appear to have been legally acquired, he had a high school history as a bully who kept a hit list and made violent threats.

Meanwhile,  the Democrats who consider themselves the responsible party on gun control,  failed to restore the assault gun ban when they had the votes in 2010 as they prefer fanning the flames of more ‘hate’ by blaming Trump’s loose lips even though the once-revered ACLU does not oppose the Second Amendment.

One wonders that if the El Paso shooter can be tagged with being influenced by Trump rhetoric, did the Dayton shooter receive his inspiration from Antifa or perhaps Elizabeth Warren?   It is too much to expect any rational media voice to inquire – all of which brings us back to the President’s Remarks endorsing the death penalty.

How exactly did this ‘hate’ language make its way into Trump’s remarks as “hate” has become a preoccupation of American society and the Administration as its Special Envoy to Monitor and Combat Anti-Semitism’s very life purpose is to root out hate – not hate of all kinds but only that of the Jewish variety.

Historically, the American criminal justice system, flawed as it is, requires any jury in a criminal case to consider the Defendant’s level of conscious intent to commit a criminal act as well as the illegality of the act without specificity to the psychological issues of that intent.

Originally, hate crime laws were expected to offer special protection based on an individuals’ sexual orientation, gender, religion, disability or racial identity as perceived by the perpetrator.  

In a manner that does not occur in normal criminal proceedings, defining the “hate” component of a crime requires a distinct determination that the defendant’s actions were solely motivated by thoughts of ‘hate.’

In a worse case scenario, is Trump suggesting that the death penalty may be applied to what is determined to be a hate crime even if that crime has not resulted in a death?   

The reality is that hate crimes may be difficult to distinguish from a run-of-the-mill felony murder, thereby increasing the hate crime penalty makes little sense since first degree murder is already subject to the death penalty. Therefore, it appears that a redundant death penalty for a crime that would already call for the death penalty is little more than…overkill.

In other words, hate crime prosecution necessarily relies on criminalizing thoughts as the NSA claims it has already developed remote neural monitoring revealing one’s most hidden private thoughts or an iphone may be bugged with implants to reduce impulse control.

Many legal scholars would respond that the Equal Protection Clause of the 14th Amendment and the Due Process Clause in the Fifth Amendment already provides all American citizens with the guaranteed right to equal protection under the law (ie Brown v. Board of Education and Roe v. Wade) and therefore such hate laws are unnecessary and may be unconstitutional.

Since the Constitution already protects the rights of aggrieved parties, why would Congress initiate an entirely new category of duplicative Hate Crime laws unless they needed the extra legislative accomplishment to justify their existence or to satisfy prominent politically-connected constituencies or to create a nefarious political agenda.

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Jihadi Colin
Jihadi Colin
Aug 26, 2019 9:23 PM

“the Divide and Rule Game continues undeterred sowing division and conflict among the American people.” The more divided and infighting between Amerikastanis, the more they hate each other, the more they weaken their country, bring it closer to its demise and disintegration; and that is definitely a result to be desired. At one time, prior to 2016, I still imagined that one could be friends with some Amerikastanis. That was stupidity on my part, since I had seen Amerikastanis who were “antiwar” under Bush overnight switch to being enthusiastically pro-war under the Nobel peace prize “winner” Barack Hussein Obama, despite the latter being a worse war criminal even than Bush under just about any category you care to name. Still, I held on to 2016, only to find that the very same Amerikastanis who had professed to literally want to skin Bush alive in 2006 were hailing him as a… Read more »

mark
mark
Aug 25, 2019 10:26 PM

You now have automatically to disbelieve any and every official narrative and anything that appears in the MSM. And anything put out by controlled opposition like Counterpunch and Democracy Now. It is almost certainly completely false. If you have a chapter of 4 KKK people, 3 of them are FBI agents and the 4th is a reporter. The same is true of “Antifa.” Half of them are cops. The leader of “ISIS” in Libya turned out to be an Israeli Mossad man. ISIS was a creation of western countries, Israel, Turkey, and the Gulf dictatorships. “ISIS fighters” have been seen with their sleeves rolled up revealing US Army tattoos. Strange how these hard drinking, drug taking, pork eating, whoring, “Islamic radical terrorists” have never once attacked Israel. Strange how they exported vast quantities of oil stolen from Iraq and Syria to Israel completely unhindered for a couple of years before… Read more »

Jihadi Colin
Jihadi Colin
Aug 26, 2019 9:26 PM
Reply to  mark

I’m not sure where you got that information about the Libyan ISIS leader being Mossad. I’m not saying it’s untrue, I need a reliable source proving your contention.

mark
mark
Aug 26, 2019 10:42 PM
Reply to  Jihadi Colin

Israeli national and Mossad spy Benjamin Efraim.
He was the leader of 200 Libyan head choppers and throat slitters, and also a “radical mosque preacher” in his own right, using the name “Abu Hanf.” (26/8/17.)
There are known to be at least “several tens” of Mossad agents running the whole show and making sure all the throat slitting goes swimmingly.
The Head Honcho of “ISIS”, “Abu Bakr Al Baghdadi,” is widely reputed to be one of them, though I don’t know of any concrete evidence being produced.
This is all quite plausible. In due course it will probably be revealed that his real name is Shlomo Gobbowicz and he’s a close mate of Nuttyyahoo.
Edited by Admin to remove gratuitous racism

Maggie
Maggie
Aug 27, 2019 7:14 PM
Reply to  mark

Hi Mark: HERE ARE THE LINKS FROM MY OLD RECORDS.. https://www.veteranstoday.com/2017/08/27/mossad-officer-leading-isis-as-mosque-imam-arrested-in-libya/ Senator John McCain’s Whoops Moment: Photographed Chilling With ISIS Chief Al-Baghdadi And Terrorist Muahmmad Noor! Senator JohnMcCain with Syrian Al Qaeda / ISIS terrorists. ISIS Chief Abu Bakr Al-Baghdadi (aka Elliot Shimon, Jew) circled in red ! ISIS(ISIL), Al Qaeda, Muslim Brotherhood … are all owned/controlled by western Illuminist intelligence agencies: CIA, MI5/6, Mossad … http://madworldnews.com/  Does anyone remember the article about John McCain being a traitor? Does the man in the red circle look familiar? Everyone put on your shocked face for John McCain’s whoops moment. It seems the Arizona Senator who was upset at Obama for the mess in Iraq was photographed chilling out with ISIS terrorist leaders in Syria! – Senator John McCain was making headlines but not for saying he was happy Eric Holder was persecuting illegal aliens or his lie about Holder investigating the… Read more »

Yonatan
Yonatan
Aug 23, 2019 2:45 PM

Hate crime, like thought crime, is double-plus ungood.

Harry Stotle
Harry Stotle
Aug 23, 2019 3:27 PM
Reply to  Yonatan

Yes, irony upon irony – the MSM, presumably inspired by PC now actually communicates in ‘newspeak’.

What term from Orwells dystopia will be popularised next, ‘crimethink’?

It may sound hyperbolic but are thoughts being restructured to comply with the principles of Ingsoc?
https://33hpwq10j9luq8gl43e62q4e-wpengine.netdna-ssl.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/04/1984_-_newspeak_dictionary.pdf

Fair dinkum
Fair dinkum
Aug 23, 2019 1:27 AM

The word ‘hate’ is a cop out (pardon the pun).
Isn’t more to do with ignorance and fear?
Ignorance and fear provide the fertile ground for sowing the seeds of hate.

Frank Speaker
Frank Speaker
Aug 22, 2019 11:19 PM

Did anyone in authority bother to confirm that the shootings were indeed motivated by ‘hate?’

I stopped right there. Do you think the shootings were in some way motivated by love instead?????!!!

Neil McCormick
Neil McCormick
Aug 23, 2019 3:40 AM
Reply to  Frank Speaker

There are other alternatives to hate than love – try plain anger for instance – but I do get your point. Maybe the MSM looking into each crime for what it is rather than rushing to find a box to put it in is a good start.

George
George
Aug 23, 2019 8:07 AM
Reply to  Frank Speaker

I think you’ve hit on something there. The words “Love” and “Hate” are now standing in for the words “God” and “Devil” i.e. these are just labels to say “us” and “them”, like the old games of “cops and robbers” or “cowboys and indians”. (Actually – even these old games have more informational content.)

TheThinker
TheThinker
Aug 23, 2019 10:20 PM
Reply to  George

I’ve been reading a collection of essays by a Australian guy called Careys – on Democracy and propaganda, fully named, Taking the Risk out of Democracy. He died unpublished but his papers were collated in a book after. Here some bits from my read that were interesting. In Jan 1994 David Hume reflecting on the consequences of the recent state terrorist projects that Washington had organised and directed in its Central American domains, with the Church a prime target. They took special note of ‘what weight’ the culture of terror has had in domestically the expectations of the majority vis-a-vis alternatives different for the powerful; the destruction of hope, they recognised, is one of the greatest achievements of the free world doctrine of ‘low intensity conflict’ what is called ‘terror’ when conducted by official enemies. Noam Chomsky 1994 Propaganda is the management of collective attitudes by the manipulation of significant… Read more »

Roland Spansky
Roland Spansky
Aug 23, 2019 3:21 PM
Reply to  Frank Speaker

Dude, you need to update your worldview. You’re locked in this idea that the stories put out to us by the media are reality-based because their basic aim is to inform, that they are motivated to be “news.” You have to realize they are not. These corps are all controlled by a tiny tiny group of people who have a more or less common view of what they want the world to be like. Their media is used to put out an endless stream of mind-controlling bullshit designed to make us conform to their ideas. It’s rarely reality-based. Why does it have to be? Who’s gonna call them on it if it isn’t? There are no checks and balances any more. Disney pretty much rules the world. If these guys want us to think there’s a war they just have to tell us there is. The actual war may not… Read more »

gardenfiend
gardenfiend
Aug 25, 2019 9:18 PM
Reply to  Frank Speaker

Quit quote mining. The author was using the word ‘hate’ with regards to ‘hate crimes’.

I know, words strung together in sentences and paragraphs are confusing sometimes. I recommend you read articles all the way through in future, perhaps multiple times.

Wiki definition of hate crime:

A hate crime (also known as a bias-motivated crime or bias crime) is a prejudice-motivated crime which occurs when a perpetrator targets a victim because of their membership (or perceived membership) in a certain social group or race.

Your perpetual adversarial stance BTL is starting to look more and more transparently premeditated. I hope for your sake you ARE a troll, as this is some pretty low IQ, illiterate and judgemental behaviour otherwise

Try harder next time.

Brian Steere
Brian Steere
Aug 22, 2019 9:08 PM

Mind control in the sense of shattering peoples minds as children to ‘breed’ personalities to later use is somewhat unbelievable to a sense of other people as like myself at heart even if I really don’t like them. But places like https://www.newsarticles.media/news-articles/mindcontrolnewsarticles offer a portal into this if you have the stomach to look. However I see that as as technological development and extension of a mind already set on control – of others and world, seeking out and abusing the helpless and voiceless. That many terrorist events result in killing rather than maiming or capturing the perpetrator can suggest they have a story that does not support the narrative.Along with early reports of more than one perpetrator – that are then ignored as the narrative takes shape. Narrative control IS mind control of narrative invested identities – and propaganda that has developed the psyop under the surface of PR… Read more »

nottheonly1
nottheonly1
Aug 22, 2019 6:50 PM

May I add a few thoughts? The fist one is related to my Mom. She is of old age and her mind is showing that. For various reasons she has been overwhelmed by my Dad having decided to move six times over the last ten years. The work was mostly done by my Mom – my Dad does not help. He watches the news all day. Yesterday she told me “I hate him!” That’s painful to hear for me. I tried my best to explain that ‘hate’ is the opposite side of the coin that has ‘love’ on the other. Both are emotions. As long as there are emotions, it is next to impossible to step back and let go of the situation. This applies to the ‘hate’ Trump is speaking of and with him a lot of other people. ‘Hate’ is used to stir up emotions in those who… Read more »

Junaid
Junaid
Aug 22, 2019 5:28 PM

Thank you for this article
On August 22, Tehran presented the Bavar-373 anti-aircraft missile system, which is considered in Iran as a more advanced system New “Faith”: Iran introduced its counterpart S-300

New “Faith”: Iran introduced its counterpart S-300

George
George
Aug 22, 2019 5:25 PM

The use of the word “hate” has become another thought-stopper. It’s like calling something “Evil” without further explanation. I first realised this when I found the following article which is specifically about Off-Guardian:

https://www.stopfake.org/en/russian-trolls-exiled-from-guardian-find-home-for-their-hate/

The title is in the URL itself but it’s worth emphasising since it headlines the article:
“Russian trolls exiled from Guardian find home for their hate”

And there it is – the simple assertion “hate”. It’s so crass. It’s like cartoon propaganda – which may well be the most effective kind. And it echoes that old staple, “They just hate us!”, “They are haters!” and, best of all, “Hatred of the good for being good.” That last one is a masterstroke since it absolves one side of investigation while shoving all blame onto the other side. Best of all, the more “they” hate us, the more “good” we must be!

Ramdan
Ramdan
Aug 23, 2019 12:17 AM
Reply to  George

F***…. am I russian now?…..and where can we pick our passports?? 🙃

Capricornia Man
Capricornia Man
Aug 23, 2019 5:22 AM
Reply to  George

The article you provide a link to offers the following wisdom:
‘In line with the Kremlin’s goals, OffGuardian seeks to undermine trust in the “mainstream media”.’

Capricornia Man
Capricornia Man
Aug 23, 2019 5:26 AM

Wanted to finish my above post by observing that, for anyone capable of a moderate level of independent thought, the “mainstream media” have done a brilliant job of forfeiting trust all by themselves.

Elementor
Elementor
Aug 23, 2019 2:50 PM
Reply to  George

LOL – my favorite bit of that article is where they cite Kit’s use of the internet-4Chan meme “accidentally the…” as evidence English isn’t his first language!!!!

ROFL I literally nearly fell of my chair laughing.

This lady is revealed as either truly ancient, a cultural hermit or or herself a non-native English speaker.

Also she lies her ancient ass off about Ukraine.

Roland Spansky
Roland Spansky
Aug 23, 2019 3:11 PM
Reply to  Elementor

That is fricken priceless

Rhys Jaggar
Rhys Jaggar
Aug 22, 2019 2:31 PM

The real difficulty with all ‘hate crime’ stuff is proving that a hating state of mind exists. The key point here is that those offended by statements or those victimised may assume hate to be present when it may be hatred of an individual, not their sex, religion, sexual orientation etc. Here are few hard questions: 1. If I state, correctly, that several leaders of Russian mob families are- or have been Jewish, does that make me antisemitic? I say absolutely it does not. I would back that up by saying that several other crime overlords profess to have Christian ancestry. So not all mob capos are Jewish…..and being Jewish does not make you more likely to lead a life of crime…. 2. So what about if I killed a Jewish mobster because his hoods sexually abused my daughter? Does that make me antisemitic?? Absolutely not. I would kill any… Read more »

wardropper
wardropper
Aug 22, 2019 7:10 PM
Reply to  Editor

I share Norman Finkelstein’s view that the appropriate response, both by us and by the Labour Party, for example, is to funnel any such accusations to a small unit which will answer any serious charges in detail, leaving the rest of us to state quite clearly, “It’s over. We’re not having our wide political and global interests forced into an endless, energy-sapping and time-wasting series of protests against ridiculous charges. We are not answering them any more. Take them to the relevant unit, and leave our free speech alone.”
That said, Rhys does a great job of making his point, and perhaps the concept of “hate” is not so irrelevant to that point.

Martin Usher
Martin Usher
Aug 22, 2019 9:04 PM
Reply to  Editor

Antisemitism is not what’s being discussed, its just a well known example of ‘hate’ that we can all more or less agree on. Its a tricky subject to discuss because its the closest thing that we have to Thoughtcrime in contemporary society so we need some sort of ground state we can work from. The example of Jewish mob bosses is useful but we could have chosen American ones rather than Russian ones — the Jewish ‘mob’ was preeminent in US cities before being displaced by the Italians/Sicilians. What I think is important, though, isn’t stated and that’s the idea that tribal identity has gradually been made important with our identity is inextricably bound up with our tribe, a tribe differentiated by religion, race or orientation but not notably by our economic class. The question shouldn’t be to argue among ourselves about details and crumbs but to ask why allowing… Read more »

flaxgirl
flaxgirl
Aug 22, 2019 2:18 PM

Oh for goodness sake. It’s all faked … and they tell us it’s faked loud and clear. I have a webpage on how they tell us clearly. https://occamsrazorterrorevents.weebly.com/they-tell-us-clearly.html Obviously, it must be a legality because these events are so full of obvious holes they have to be deliberate and in some cases what happens is virtually impossible such as in the event that happened in my own city last week. Mert Ney brandishes a knife in the middle of an amazingly empty Clarence St with BROWN EYES but when we see him pinned ludicrously under the milk crate he has BLUE EYES, a change in eye-colour obviously effected with blue-tinted contact lenses. Does anyone seriously believe that a dextrous Mert pulled out and inserted these contact lenses between his knife-brandishing and being pinned? Brown eyes https://www.news.com.au/national/nsw-act/courts-law/accused-sydney-stabber-mert-ney-suffering-in-jail-after-leg-surgery/news-story/e522f3ce939d1af835c8301897e55b8e Blue eyes https://www.theaustralian.com.au/nation/loners-ideology-of-death-revealed/news-story/2be3afe37ee71f54d48e4ea701855ad4#&gid=null&pid=1 Scrutinise the media stories. Notice all the contradictions in the various… Read more »

flaxgirl
flaxgirl
Aug 23, 2019 6:02 AM
Reply to  Editor

The blue/brown eyes thing is a non-issue, it can be created simply by changes in lighting levels or resolution. We pointed this out to you once already. Apologies, I do not remember seeing that, however, I’m not sure your assertion is valid – you’d have to show an example that matches mine. When you say the link didn’t work I wonder if you copied the entire link or just clicked because obviously the link wasn’t underlined for its entirety and for it to work you needed to copy and paste it. In any case I found a better link – see below. If you scroll down on this page you will see a ring around Ney’s eyes which clearly indicates a contact lens. https://pressfrom.info/au/news/australia/-141427-sydney-stabbing-accused-mert-ney-reportedly-saw-michaela-dunn-and-other-sex-workers-before-alleged-attacks.html In this photo of a tinted contact lens you will see a similar-looking ring. https://eyecandys.com/collections/colored-contacts/products/eyecandys-opal-grey-colour-contacts As usual, OffG, you select one item only – which you… Read more »

different frank
different frank
Aug 22, 2019 3:04 PM
Reply to  flaxgirl

My personal favourite is Woolwich.
The most laughable fake event.
http://sonarz.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/07/Amateur.png

Wot, no blood?

different frank
different frank
Aug 22, 2019 3:18 PM
Reply to  flaxgirl

Just because there are uniforms, it does not mean they are cops.

flaxgirl
flaxgirl
Aug 23, 2019 6:57 AM

No, but I think they often are because these events are really drills pushed out as real and response agencies are key players. In this video, the very observant Woodrow Wobbles identifies training going on. He notices one guy hanging around the milk crate who looks like a guy at an event in Melbourne and he identifies the words, “Lock it, lock it, lock it … Let go,” suggesting the police are being trained.

Maggie
Maggie
Aug 24, 2019 1:54 PM
Reply to  flaxgirl

I am in agreement with you Flax. Definitely looks like a training drill.

flaxgirl
flaxgirl
Aug 25, 2019 1:25 AM
Reply to  Maggie

Thanks, Maggie. It does feel a bit lonely in the comments when your position is the outrageous, not-(according-to-my-opposers)-well-supported one of claiming that virtually all shooting/bombing, etc events reported 24/7 by the media are fake.

Doctortrinate
Doctortrinate
Aug 22, 2019 10:14 PM
Reply to  flaxgirl

Flaxgirl: …I looked at the Philly cop video you posted – very interesting, as am also unsure of it’s authenticity – though perhaps not for the same reason as yourself….as to myself , the drops/drips and dribbles themselves seem to be counterfeit,…possibly edited into the film – and detectable by slowly (frame by frame) playing through it…revealing some unusual and seemingly unfeasible characteristics…..of couse, would still be fakery , but with a twist – Media created even.

Elementor
Elementor
Aug 23, 2019 2:54 PM
Reply to  Doctortrinate

Agree. It looks at first glance as if those dots just appear, which leads to thinking the cop “sprays” them or something similar, but on close analysis it looks wrong. I suspect it’s been faked, a honeypot for the unwary hoax-buff.

Doctortrinate
Doctortrinate
Aug 23, 2019 9:22 PM
Reply to  Elementor

precisely Elementor – well seen and put …” a honeypot for the unwary hoax-buff”

quite possibly.

Cheers.

flaxgirl
flaxgirl
Aug 25, 2019 1:15 AM
Reply to  Doctortrinate

I do find “honeypot for the unwary hoax buff” pretty funny. Not that it’s not a perfectly valid inference because, after all, Bill Kaysing, the first person to come out and say that the moon landings were a hoax was obviously a CIA plant whose purpose was to mislead the 5-10% or so of the population who never believe authorities by default in order to undermine their ability to persuade people when the government really does commit crimes. Yes, it could be a honeypot. I myself think it does not look fake and if it had occurred to me that anyone might think it did I would have done more investigation to find other clues. These things are nauseating and one gets tired of trawling through the media rubbish to find the nuggets of hoaxery. It was so much better pre Feb-2018 when YouTube wasn’t so censored and other valiant… Read more »

Maggie
Maggie
Aug 25, 2019 1:47 PM
Reply to  flaxgirl

Spot on Flax as usual. Philadelphia Shooting AK47 for two hours and no body dead or injured….. pwha!

FALSE FLAG!!!


Sadly only 6.900 hits? Which is why they criminals know they can get away with MURDER.
This brilliant video is 1 and a half hours long, but has invaluable information about all the false flags, predictive programming and human responses.
Kevin Barret does ALL the leg work for us… but as he says, collect all the evidence, question all narratives, but keep an open mind, and beware red herrings.
911, ISIS, Charlie Hebdo, Paris football stadium, Paris Bataclan nightclub, 7/7, Brussels Airport. Orlando.
Note how the public’s telephones are collected and CCTV is obliterated..
WARNING do not dare to cross Netanyahu and the Zionists and you know what you will get?

flaxgirl
flaxgirl
Aug 27, 2019 10:02 AM
Reply to  Maggie

Thanks for that, Maggie. This so helps with promoting the meme that staged events are a common phenomenon. They are a definite thing that is common. OffG and other commenters on this site manage to somehow maintain an obtuse blindness to all the indications in so very many events that bear testimony to the fact that they are a very-well confirmed phenomenon, containing certain clear hallmarks and are a phenomenon that is, alarmingly, increasingly common. I mean, there’s the Philadelphia event exactly one day after the Sydney event – not to mention so very many others. OffG accuses me of inappropriate certitude. When you accept the phenomenon of these events that includes in its MO that THEY TELL US LOUD AND CLEAR that the event is staged then certitude is not inappropriate – it is perfectly appropriate in this circumstance. As I say above, even if you’re wrong in interpretation… Read more »

flaxgirl
flaxgirl
Aug 25, 2019 3:42 AM
Reply to  Elementor

In case you don’t receive a notification and don’t happen to look, Elementor, I answer both you and Doctortrinate on their reply.

contact lenses
contact lenses
Feb 7, 2020 11:34 AM
Reply to  flaxgirl

There is nothing logical in the dismissal of these occasions as organized or shifting back and forth about them either.

Seamus Padraig
Seamus Padraig
Aug 22, 2019 1:02 PM

‘Hate crimes’ are just thought-crimes, pure and simple. They are now criminalizing political points of view. The Constitution is dead. … even though the once-revered ACLU does not oppose the Second Amendment. Of course the American Civil Liberties Union doesn’t oppose the Second Amendment–it’s a civil liberty! That being said, with things going the way they’re going, I wouldn’t be at all surprised in the ACLU eventually does turn against the Second Amendment. Once upon a time, not so many years ago, they were free speech absolutists as well–does anyone else here remember the infamous Skokie Nazis? The ACLU actually argued their case pro bono! But in more recent times, they have succumbed to the logic of the campus ‘hate speech’ craze. Many legal scholars would respond that the Equal Protection Clause of the 14th Amendment and the Due Process Clause in the Fifth Amendment already provides all American citizens… Read more »

Harry Stotle
Harry Stotle
Aug 22, 2019 1:01 PM

“Today, I am also directing the Department of Justice to propose legislation ensuring that those who commit hate crimes and mass murders face the death penalty, and that this capital punishment be delivered quickly, decisively, and without years of needless delay” – unless they are neocons in which case they can kill with impunity under the usual rubrics – ‘liberal intervention’, ‘bringing democracy’ or ‘humanitarian aid’.

Hell, we can even stage pop-festivals and invite grotesque figures like Sir Richard to belt out ‘Imagine’ while the local militia tool up with CIA hardware before wreaking havoc on unarmed civilians.

If western audiences become slightly sceptical the MSM will do its usual job of reassuring them that mass murder is an inconvenient externality when it comes to building a brighter future.

Elementor
Elementor
Aug 22, 2019 12:53 PM

Why should the American public trust the MSM for what may have already been determined to be a ‘hate’ crime without providing evidence of the hate Terrific point. Where do we draw the line on skepticism about official narratives? How much do we really know about these shootings, the identities of the shooters, even the reality of the crimes? I don’t want to get into full “it’s a hoax” mode, but surely it’s only intelligent to recall there are documented cases of fake events and therefore being prepared to allow the possibility any event may be fake is objectively the only rational response. What stops us? Nothing more than the same kneejerk rejection that makes other people refuse to consider 9/11 may have been an inside job or JFK may not have been shot by LHO. It’s not per se crazy to entertain the possibility, or per se offensive either.… Read more »

John Thatcher
John Thatcher
Aug 22, 2019 4:27 PM
Reply to  Elementor

The old adage,”The price of freedom is eternal vigilance” comes immediately to mind,and that particularly applies to government and government action.As you rightly point out,there have been too many examples of fake events and official lies for anybody to be complacent.Treat all with caution and judge on the weight and quality of the evidence.If the evidence is not conclusive in any direction maintain a sceptical state of mind.

Elementor
Elementor
Aug 22, 2019 6:44 PM
Reply to  John Thatcher

So very true. And yet so many of the enlightened are unwilling to assimilate this into their thinking. You can call it laziness maybe. It’s tempting to simply replace the received wisdom of the mainstream media with the received wisdoms of the alternative media. But in this case what are we doing? More is needed of us, as you so rightly say. How many are prepared for the continuous effort of questioning and skepticism required in order to be a truly independent and responsible human being? The lack of responses so far here is not a good sign. Hey there OffG columnists Phil Roddis, Ed Curtin, CJ Hopkins, Eric Zuesse, Renee Parsons, and hey there BigB, Jen, Maggie, Antonym, Mark, and other “stars” of this forum. People actually come here to read what you guys have to say. This question of fakery is a major subject impinging on our future… Read more »

Elementor
Elementor
Aug 23, 2019 2:56 PM
Reply to  Elementor

So no one wants to have a serious non-kerazee debate about the potential for fake shootings? Too far outside the Overton Window? How disappointing. It’s bizarre, even flaxgirl would rather troll the admins that just have a sensible debate with someone who’d like to talk to her.

Anna
Anna
Aug 23, 2019 6:13 PM
Reply to  Elementor

Very good and valid question Elementor. Not so very long ago, I happily dismissed most ‘fake shooting’ narratives as either merely far-right/lumpen (sorry for such a crass term)-baiting/monetising, conspiracy theories – of the Alex Jones variety. However, after about two-three years of observing media biases, I find it so much easier to spot where the overriding narratives appear to reside. However the actual events unfold is often less important than their ultimate goal, which is of course mass censorship and getting round that terribly inconvenient Second Amendment. This is I believe, the main agenda of the so-called Hate Crime. Yes, I am aware that this makes me appear to some rather Info-Wars but that’s the joy of shedding my own confirmation bias! I do now assume that there is state or states involvement in all these terror events. They are manipulated/controlled (of sorts), whether the perpetrator knows of it or… Read more »

flaxgirl
flaxgirl
Aug 25, 2019 9:18 AM
Reply to  Elementor

I’m always prepared to have a sensible debate, Elementor. Always. I wasn’t on my computer yesterday and haven’t seen all these posts. As far as I’m concerned all mass shooting/bombing and similar events breathlessly reported 24/7 around the world that I’ve ever looked at have been fakes … and unquestionably so. This is simply due to straightforward aspects of their modus operandi: 1. They always give us gratuitous clues with things not adding up, smiling grievers, contradictory versions of the story, physical impossibilities, inappropriate tone and register and on and on some of which simply CANNOT be shoehorned into “real” event. (We can only infer this is some sort of legality) 2. They NEVER provide a single piece of evidence that a believer of their story can brandish to say, “Hey, this shows real.” It is utterly impossible to say, “This event shows reality through x y, or z.” Impossible.… Read more »

axisofoil
axisofoil
Aug 22, 2019 10:21 AM

Remember this?

MLS
MLS
Aug 22, 2019 12:59 PM
Reply to  axisofoil

Another level of fakery altogether, faking mind-control!