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Suddenly, Western “Regime” Changes Keep Failing

Andre Vltchek

It used to be done regularly and it worked: The West identified a country as its enemy, unleashed its professional propaganda against it, then administered a series of sanctions, starving and murdering children, the elderly and other vulnerable groups. If the country did not collapse within months or just couple of years, the bombing would begin.

And the nation, totally shaken, in pain, and in disarray, would collapse like a house of cards, once the first NATO boots hit its ground.

Such scenarios were re-enacted, again and again, from Yugoslavia to Iraq.

But suddenly, something significant has happened. This horrific lawlessness, this chaos stopped; was deterred.

The West keeps using the same tactics, it tries to terrorize independent-minded countries, to frighten people into submission, to overthrow what it defines as ‘regimes’, but its power, its monstrously destructive power has all of a sudden become ineffective.

It hits, and the attacked nation shakes, screams, sheds blood, but keeps standing, keeps proudly erect.

*

What we are experiencing is a great moment in human history. Imperialism has not yet been defeated, but it is losing its global grip on power.

Now we have to clearly understand ‘Why?’, so we can continue our struggle, with even greater determination, with even greater effectiveness.

First of all, by now we know that the West cannot fight. It can spend trillions on ‘defense’, it can build nuclear bombs, ‘smart missiles’ and strategic warplanes. But it is too cowardly, too spoiled to risk the lives of its soldiers.

It either kills remotely, or by using regional mercenaries. Whenever it becomes clear that the presence of its troops would be required, it backs up.

Secondly, it, the West, is totally horrified of the fact that there are now two super-powerful countries – China and Russia – which are unwilling to abandon their allies. Washington and London do all they can to smear Russia and to intimidate China.

Russia is being provoked continuously: by propaganda, by military bases, sanctions and by new and newer bizarre mass media inventions that depict it as the villain in all imaginable circumstances.

China has been provoked practically and insanely, ‘on all fronts’ – from Taiwan, Hong Kong, Tibet and the so-called ‘Uyghur Issue’, to trade.

Any strategy that could weaken these two countries, is applied. Yet, Russia and China do not crumble. They do not surrender. And they do not abandon their friends. Instead, they are building great railroads in Africa and Asia, they educate people from almost all poor and desperate countries, and stand by those who are being terrorized by both North America and Europe.

Thirdly, all the countries in the world are now clearly aware of what would happen to them, if they give up and get ‘liberated’ by the Western empire. Iraq, Honduras, Indonesia, Libya and Afghanistan, are the ‘best’ examples.

Submitting themselves to the West, countries can only expect misery, absolute collapse and the ruthless extraction of their resources. The poorest country in Asia – Afghanistan – has totally collapsed under NATO occupation.

The suffering and pain of the Afghan and Iraqi people is very well known to the citizens of Iran and Venezuela. They are not giving up, because no matter how tough their life is under sanctions and the West-administered terror, they are well-aware of the fact that things could get worse, much worse, if their countries were to be occupied and governed by the Washington and London-injected maniacs.

And everyone knows the fate of the people living in Palestine or Gollan Heights, places which have been overrun by the closest ally of the West in the Middle East, Israel.

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Of course, there are other reasons why the West cannot get any of its adversaries to kneel.

One is – that the toughest ones are left. Russia, Cuba, China, North Korea (DPRK), Iran, Syria and Venezuela are not going to run away from the battlefield. These are the most determined nations on earth. These are the countries that have already lost thousands, millions, even tens of millions of their people, in the fight against Western imperialism and colonialism.

If one is following the latest attacks of the West carefully, the scenario is pathetic, almost grotesque: Washington and often the EU, too, are trying hard; they are hitting, they are spending billions of dollars, using the local mercenaries (or call it ‘local opposition’), and then they quickly withdraw after wretched but anticipated defeat.

So far, Venezuela has survived. Syria survived. Iran survived. China is fighting horrible Western-backed subversions, but it is proudly surviving. Russia is standing tall.

This is a tremendous moment in human history. For the first time, Western imperialism is being not only defeated, but fully unveiled and humiliated. Many are now laughing at it, openly.

But we should not celebrate, yet. We should understand what and why this is happening, and then continue fighting. There are many, many battles ahead us. But we are on the right track.

Let them try. We know how to fight. We know how to prevail. We have already fought fascism, in many of its forms. We know what freedom is. Their ‘freedom’ is not our freedom. Their ‘liberty’ is not our liberty. What they call ‘democracy’ is not how we want our people to rule and to be ruled. Let them go away; we, our people, do not want them!

They cannot overthrow our systems, because they are, precisely our systems! Systems that we want, that our people want; systems we are ready to fight and die for!

First published by New Eastern Outlook

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kevin morris
kevin morris
Aug 29, 2019 10:54 AM

I think its worth remembering that when they were both communist countries, Russia and China fell out massively. It is also worth remembering that after Vladimir Putin took over in Russia, he sought to build bridges with the west but was rebuffed, which in the longer term will prove to have been disastrous both for Russia and for the west, since now Russia is drawing closer to that gangster state that is run by the Chinese Communist Party. I know that the left loves China, but one has to be a contortionist of the most extraordinary skill still to believe that China is anything other than a state that has been taken over by psychopaths. The colonial exploitation of Tibet where it is impossible for a Tibetan to receive an education in their mother tongue, thirty million deaths from starvation as direct consequence of the Great Leap Forward, brutalisation, destruction… Read more »

Maggie
Maggie
Aug 28, 2019 12:07 PM

Excellent article Andre as always.. Thank you

Philip Roddis
Philip Roddis
Aug 28, 2019 2:20 PM
Reply to  Maggie

Excellent header image too!

uncle tungsten
uncle tungsten
Aug 28, 2019 6:49 AM

Throw the Ladies and Lords, the Barons and Baroness, the Queens and Kings the Czars and Czarinas, the Commisars and Central Committee off our Commons.

Take back the Commons from the real estate theives of the ruling class.

Break up the oligarchies in industry and the unions, in agriculture and retail, in energy and transport.

Restore dignity and the commonwealth to the people, the real owners.

Jack Leon
Jack Leon
Aug 27, 2019 9:33 PM

Why everyone on this site thinks the massive power vacuum created by the fall of the Imperial West will be filled by China and Russia filling the world with peaceful rainbows and unicorns.

Judging by how these countries have stifled freedoms and individualism on their perspective citizens, absolutely crushed journalism, like literally putting bullets into the back of their skulls(Anna Politikovskaya), this is the country that actually made a heterosexual flag? Just to be clear the US is not being defended here, just not sure I’m on side with the choice of lesser evils in this situation.

Jack Leon
Jack Leon
Aug 28, 2019 12:32 AM
Reply to  Editor

Any other suspects or motive youre aware of?
I suppose the 99 Chechnya bombings weren’t really perpetrated by Putin and 9/11 was really all The Taliban.

Either way, personally I lack the faith in the personal freedom that either of these countries espouse, China is literally creating the most invasive police state ever conceived, even by Phillip K Dick or Orwells standards. This should by all means terrify anyone who cares in the slightest about individualism, over collective control.

This is not about how heinous the US is, which they are, it is about a choice of lesser evils, I still take Western Imperialism over Chinese authoritarianism all day.

uncle tungsten
uncle tungsten
Aug 28, 2019 6:58 AM
Reply to  Jack Leon

Thanks Jack Leon but why limit the debate to the duality of totalitarian analysis whe there are many ways to develop and instill a libertarian means of government. Socialism is not imediately authoritarian. There are many democratic socialist systems in this world that deliver excellent quality of life to millions. We are intelligent beings mostly and we have worked hard over millenia to arrive at this place, so now let us install better governance shall we.

Maggie
Maggie
Aug 28, 2019 1:31 PM
Reply to  Jack Leon

”Judging by how these countries have stifled freedoms and individualism on their perspective citizens.” Stifled freedom to do what? To excel in everything they do? ”absolutely crushed journalism, like literally putting bullets into the back of their skulls(Anna Politikovskaya) ” ”On trial for Politovskaya’s murder will be three brothers from Chechnya, their uncle, and a former police officer. Three of the accused have already been acquitted by a jury in 2009, but that decision was ‘overturned by Russia’s supreme court’, and a new jury was chosen for a new trial. Lom-Ali Gaitukayev is accused of organising the hit, while his nephew Rustam Makhmudov allegedly pulled the trigger. (surelooks as if Russia was guilty of this murder, duh? That is why they instigated a new investigation and trial?) Last December, Dmitry Pavlyuchenkov, a former police officer, was given an 11-year sentence for helping in the logistics of the murder, after cooperating… Read more »

BigB
BigB
Aug 27, 2019 12:17 PM

I might add – following yesterdays comment getting the usual treatment for stating brute economic realities – that the globalised economy being a dollarised one is not something you can have an opinion about. It is a fact. That so many can hold a contrafactual opinion above fact can only be due to economic illiteracy. Willfully held cherished opinion elevated despite the fact. Which could be more excusable if we had not had the ultimate in living proof of economic reality within recent living memory. If the global economic system was not largely dollarised (to 60% of the global Reserve): then a relatively minor mortgage crisis (or “savings glut”) could not possibly have become global and extending for over a decade to date. There is just no way that China and the rest of the world could be pulled in a relatively small perturbation in the value of the dollar.… Read more »

vexarb
vexarb
Aug 27, 2019 2:04 PM
Reply to  BigB

think you are right to remind us that

vexarb
vexarb
Aug 27, 2019 5:19 PM
Reply to  vexarb

BigB, I think you are right to remind us that Love of Money is the Root of All Evil, but wrong to criticize someone who rejoices when he sees that some branches of that Money Tree of Evil are withering away. The end of Hitler’s regime change plan for Europe was an occasion for rejoicing; even though it did not mean the end of Capitalist resource wars, at least a relatively united Europe enjoyed 40 years of relative peace and socialist prosperity. The end of NATZO’s regime change plan for socialist Syria and communist Iran may likewise herald a period of relative unity, peace and socialist prosperity for the ME. That is one reason to cheer; two other reasons are the re-emergence of China and Russia into a period of relative security and prosperity. So a big three cheers are justified. I remember, when socialist Syria began its resistance to… Read more »

BigB
BigB
Aug 28, 2019 10:24 AM
Reply to  vexarb

Well, yeah: there is a relative geopolitical stability with the reshaping of a multipolar world. But this is undermined by the underlying geoeconomic fragility and instability arising from globalisation and a contracting global economy. So it is as a burning mirage shimmering in a heat haze above the desert of humanities impoverishment. We all like a story we can rejoice in: a mythic tale of a kingdom of evil and a kingdom of good battling in a primordial duel to the death. In the fantasy story light always overcomes the kingdom of evils dark destruction: so we naturally align with the forces of good …heroifying the mythic contenders and denigrating the primal chaotic forces of evil. But for all the relevance this has: we might as well cast Trump as Voldemort and turn to the Harry Potter novels for economic literacy. To coin a phrase you favour: meanwhile, back in… Read more »

vexarb
vexarb
Aug 28, 2019 5:14 PM
Reply to  BigB

BigB, many thanks for your reply, and I always give you a plus for your clarity in exposing a truth which invites rejection because it is both obscure and unpleasant. And I by no means include you among those Soros-funded Trots who “attack from the Left”. But I am a simple minded person, and believe we have a right to rejoice in our little victories, even if we do not slay Mammon himself. And there is the ROI to consider – the cumulative Return on Investment. Perhaps Mammon will not be killed in some final Apocalyptic battle between Powers and Principalities in the Heavens: perhaps Mammon will die the death of a thousand cuts; perhaps the branches of the Evil Money Tree with bleed their sap and wither away, one little victory at a time from the little people in Syria, Lebanon, Iran Russia and China — for whom already… Read more »

Bootlyboob
Bootlyboob
Aug 27, 2019 11:08 AM

The leading story tonight on our MSM was the detainment and alleged mistreatment of an Australian citizen the Chinese government claims was spying (or maybe they just don’t like him because he goes around wearing US flags on his polo shirts and is calling for democracy in China). The Australian government came out in support for him and claimed his treatment was against the UN human rights declaration.

I can’t think of his name at the moment. But isn’t there another Australian citizen somewhere in the world being tortured right now with no shits given by the Australian government?

Antonym
Antonym
Aug 27, 2019 9:19 AM

Historic Chinese imperialism is being hidden: the first ruler of the Yuan dynasty – Kublai Khan made various raids in whole South and East Asia but all these are conveniently labeled “Mongol” invasions : 1258 on wards in Vietnam, 1274 & 1281 in Japan, 1277 on wards in to Burma, 1293 on Java apart from nearby Song in 1277. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yuan_dynasty#Military_conquests_and_campaigns
Fake history.

Bootlyboob
Bootlyboob
Aug 27, 2019 10:57 AM
Reply to  Antonym

Such a ‘hidden’ history it’s got its own Wiki page!!

Fake brain.

Antonym
Antonym
Aug 27, 2019 2:19 PM
Reply to  Bootlyboob

Fake reading: Wiki “Mongol” invasions of Vietnam, Japan etc. were done by Chinese emperor Great Yuan / 大元 : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mongol_invasions_of_Vietnam
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mongol_invasions_of_Japan
etc.

Bootlyboob
Bootlyboob
Aug 27, 2019 2:46 PM
Reply to  Antonym

You do know the word Yuan means Mongolian right? The Great Yuan is the dynasty of the Mongolian people who invaded China.

I mean, really, you’re either trolling or just really stupid.

Antonym
Antonym
Aug 28, 2019 2:19 PM
Reply to  Bootlyboob
uncle tungsten
uncle tungsten
Aug 28, 2019 7:15 AM
Reply to  Antonym

Remind me again who the wikipedia editorial mafia is. You do realise that it is no longer the dedicated sweet innocent of yesteryear? Like many other ‘public domains’ it has been thoroughly privatised or perhaps colonised by the straighteners and terminators of deviance.

0use4msm
0use4msm
Aug 26, 2019 8:12 PM

The bogeyman strategy only works if there is a clear a simple target to bang on on relentlessly. For a while it was Russia, but now Washington can’t make it’s mind up whether it’s North Korea, Syria, Russia, Venezuela, Iran or China, and so it keeps flip-flopping it’s focus. There’s isn’t even a shared ideology that connects these rogue states, other than their very natural desire for sovereignty. Even the public that buys into the mainstream media’s framing of the narrowtive is intuitively sensing a lack of conviction.

nwwoods
nwwoods
Aug 27, 2019 12:17 AM
Reply to  0use4msm

“Narrowtive” ..nice turn of phrase

Aiwl
Aiwl
Aug 27, 2019 1:26 AM
Reply to  0use4msm

“.. these rogue states,”
You meant ‘accused of being rogue’ by fascist regimes (i.e. US/UK/KSA/Australia etc.. ), right?

Antonym
Antonym
Aug 26, 2019 3:32 PM

The poorest country in Asia – Afghanistan – has totally collapsed under NATO occupation.

Complete BS! It is the continued Pakistani ISI influence in Afghanistan presently though their Haqqani Taliban network plus ISIS that is terrorizing Afghanistan, including intentional bombings of wedding parties
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nadahan_wedding_bombing & https://www.apnews.com
/b5ceb0cfb33d4d73aaaadf5eee19fe9d

The Pakistani army wants Afghanistan as “strategic depth” in case of a conflict with India.

Tony
Tony
Aug 26, 2019 4:00 PM
Reply to  Antonym

Ah! So the US-led invasion, with it’s endless stream of weak US-approved ‘governments’, has had nothing to do with Afghanistan’s continued instability then. Got it!!!

Antonym
Antonym
Aug 26, 2019 6:33 PM
Reply to  Tony

The US had 8,500 troops in Afghanistan in June 2019, peanuts compared to the Taliban (60,000) or the Pakistani Army (650,000) next door. https://www.nato.int/nato_static_fl2014/assets/pdf/pdf_2019_06/20190625_2019-06-RSM-Placemat.pdf

Pakistan is the only overland supply route available for the US military; roads via Iran and Russia are politically out. All their fuel, ammo and food towards Afghanistan is under Pakistani ISI control from 1978 till now, with the interruption of 2009 – 2015 . https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NATO_logistics_in_the_Afghan_War#History

Tony
Tony
Aug 26, 2019 7:39 PM
Reply to  Antonym

But the last 20 years of military and political control count for nothing. Fine.

Haltonbrat
Haltonbrat
Aug 26, 2019 4:37 PM
Reply to  Antonym

ISIS is a tool of western countries plus Israel. AP is also a tool of Zionism. And as for Wikipedia:
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2010/aug/18/wikipedia-editing-zionist-groups

Tony
Tony
Aug 26, 2019 5:51 PM
Reply to  Haltonbrat

Israel did the donkey work evacuating the White Helmets from Syria.

Haltonbrat
Haltonbrat
Aug 26, 2019 8:35 PM
Reply to  Tony

Yes. because the White Helmets worked for them.

uncle tungsten
uncle tungsten
Aug 28, 2019 7:37 AM
Reply to  Tony

Mule rescues donkey.

uncle tungsten
uncle tungsten
Aug 28, 2019 7:40 AM
Reply to  Haltonbrat

OMG Haltonbrat !! you linked tothe grauniad. Wash you keyboard out immediately. Passing round grauniad links is like sharing used toilet paper. Please, never in polite company.

mark
mark
Aug 26, 2019 5:14 PM
Reply to  Antonym

Afghanistan has been the victim and playground for Neocon intrigue for years.
A liberal, progressive left wing regime that furthered women’s rights and social provision was destroyed by Uncle Sam in its own interests to weaken Russia.
Bin Laden and his splendid chaps were put on the CIA payroll for the purpose.
The result was a long running bloodbath with 28,000 Russian and 1,4 million Afghan dead.
Followed by years of civil war, US invasion and the imposition of a narco warlord puppet government on the country.

Tony
Tony
Aug 26, 2019 5:55 PM
Reply to  mark

Hasn’t Afghanistan gone from having hardly any opium production prior to the US-led invasion, to currently being the source of something like 99% of the world’s source for heroin?

mark
mark
Aug 26, 2019 9:45 PM
Reply to  Tony

The Cocaine Import Agency runs the coke trade out of South America.
Might as well run the heroin trade out of Afghanistan as well.

Martin Usher
Martin Usher
Aug 27, 2019 12:10 AM
Reply to  Antonym

Have you considered that the Pakistan of 1980 may not be the same country with the same players as the Pakistan of 2019? Also, when you get a weak/chaotic government then its quite likely that different factions or forces within a country may pursue widely different goals?

Jen
Jen
Aug 27, 2019 6:45 AM
Reply to  Martin Usher

Antonym ain’t Antonym unless he’s running interference for The Powers That Be from his call-centre cubicle in Tel Aviv.

Antonym
Antonym
Aug 27, 2019 8:33 AM
Reply to  Jen

Women(?) I have never set foot in Israel! I do have Israeli colleagues though 😉
Do I claim you to be writing from Gaza?

I blame Nethanyahoo for being obsessed with 1/2 an Iranian Shia nuke while Sunni Pakistan has 160 nukes and counting – courtesy of China, missiles from North Korea.
Does Israel or anybody else think they is immune to Sunni radiation?

Peter Brown
Peter Brown
Aug 27, 2019 11:43 AM
Reply to  Antonym

You keep posting wikipedia as if it is some bastion of truth.

uncle tungsten
uncle tungsten
Aug 28, 2019 7:34 AM
Reply to  Antonym

Thank you Antonym but I see the shenanigans by the USA and its vassal army of craven mates as nothing more than a blockade between Pakistan, India and ultimately China. The One Belt One Road strategy of China is to be smothered at birth according to the USA. To prove that point note the BS histrionics fomented amongst the Uighurs in Western China and now the escalating belligerence among the Balochis in South East Pakistan. Why is the USA and vassal army still in Afghanistan? Bin Laden is long gone and so is most of his crappy gang. We all know the role played by the Saudi Arabian embassies in installing the hijackers in USA for the 9.11 attack. We all know the laisez fair complicity of the USA deep state and its minions in enabling the 9.11 slaughter. So what is the reason for the USA to linger in… Read more »

Francis Lee
Francis Lee
Aug 26, 2019 2:29 PM

It has now come to the stage where NATO cannot fight a ground war against Russia, China, or even Iran. Since firstly, there would be huge opposition to such another crackpot piece of military adventurism, in both the US and more so in its vassals. The Korean, Vietnam (Indo-China), and Iraq wars ended the era of massive ground conflicts in which hundreds of thousands of ground troops were involved. More importantly was the draft, which met with massive opposition in the US itself. Secondly there was the enormous cost of such a dubious venture. The cost of these wars led to a run on the dollar as other states were cashing in their surplus dollars for gold, all of which resulted to Nixon taking the dollar off the gold standard in August 1971. Empires, as the US is learning, are expensive little items, and as the British also found out… Read more »

Bittersweet
Bittersweet
Aug 26, 2019 1:16 PM

Who will plan economies: Financial managers (Trump and Wall St), or democratic governments (Bernie)? Bonnie Faulkner: If there were pressures to create a New International Economic Order in the 1970s, what was this new order looking to achieve? Michael Hudson: Other countries wanted to do for their economies what the United States has long done for its own economy: to use their governments’ deficit spending to build up their infrastructure, raise living standards, create housing and promote progressive taxation that would prevent a rentier class, a landlord and financial class from taking over economic management. In the financial field, they wanted governments to create their own money, to promote their own development, just like the United States does. The role of neoliberalism was the opposite: it was to promote the financial and real estate sector and monopolies to take economic management away from government. So the real question from the… Read more »

Aiwl
Aiwl
Aug 26, 2019 1:10 PM

Restricting the freedom of Xinjiang jihadis is a thorn in the backside of the criminals in Washington as they see their ability to brainwash, recruit and train more terrorists from the area is hugely reduced.

One of the cancers that needs to be eliminated is the propaganda device called VOA, voice of america. It needs to be dealt with and eliminated from all Asian countries. Even today, in VietNam, there are brainaltered creatures who listen to VOA and believe that the US is a force for freedom and democracy.

nottheonly1
nottheonly1
Aug 26, 2019 3:54 PM
Reply to  Aiwl

I didn’t know that. I always thought it stand for ‘Venom of America’. Or worse.

Martin Usher
Martin Usher
Aug 27, 2019 12:14 AM
Reply to  Aiwl

I would have thought that the Vietnamese would treat America with courtesy but overall would keep it at arm’s length. The US government trashed the place before leaving — it was said that it left the North with no building higher than a single story. It killed an injured countless people. The Vietnamese seem to be very nice about it but I doubt they’ve forgotten.

uncle tungsten
uncle tungsten
Aug 28, 2019 7:43 AM
Reply to  Martin Usher

And Laos, and Cambodia…..

Aiwl
Aiwl
Aug 26, 2019 12:19 PM

Something needs to be spelled out. Everytime, the mullahs in Washington use the words ‘National Interest’, they must be stopped and forced to explain in details what they mean by this so-called ‘National Interest’.

It is the duty of journalists and governments around the world to force the Washington regime to explain in full details what they mean by ‘National Interest’, everytime the expression is used!

They should not be allowed to use the excuse ‘National Interest’, to shut debates, any longer!

Haltonbrat
Haltonbrat
Aug 26, 2019 12:06 PM

Palestinians also stand tall against Israeli genocide.

vexarb
vexarb
Aug 26, 2019 11:47 AM

Andre: “Suddenly …”

You wrote of course “Suddenly” as shorthand for 7 years of blood sweat and tears by the Axis of Resistance (Syria, Hezb’Allah, Iran and Russia). Preceded by decades of individual resistance before these Allies came together in a united front.

“A thousand years is but the blink of an eyelid to The =Lord”. — Old Testament

Frank Speaker
Frank Speaker
Aug 26, 2019 11:46 AM

Sorry Mr Vitchek, but amongst your good intentions there’s a whole pile of wishful thinking. The Beast is only having a short rest before regrouping and attacking again. …This horrific lawlessness, this chaos stopped; was deterred… Really? Hong Kong seems to be descending into chaos and other cities may end up going the same way. …the West cannot fight… it is too cowardly, too spoiled to risk the lives of its soldiers… Not all, their kids are used as cannon fodder, war after war. Vietnam, the Gulf….next will be the hot wars with Russia and China. The kids are being conditioned to fight this upcoming war by being de-sensitised to violence and reflexes fine-funed through video games. A whole army being trained in the art of a new war with drones and other tech innovations. Imperialism has not yet been defeated, but it is losing its global grip on power.… Read more »

Father Beyond
Father Beyond
Aug 26, 2019 10:43 PM
Reply to  Frank Speaker

In that case let everyone know what your hopes are for the future of humanity – we are listening. . . . . .

uncle tungsten
uncle tungsten
Aug 28, 2019 7:51 AM
Reply to  Frank Speaker

I firmly believe that China (ncluding Hong Kong) close every five eyes embassy in HK. Beijing is where they should be and then permit a skeleton staff trade centre in HK. Enough of these colour revolutions and the BS from NGO fronts who have tossed their credibility.

Shut out the five eyes group asap and everywhere. Let them operate a teading office with minimal staff.

Glasshopper
Glasshopper
Aug 26, 2019 11:28 AM

Where does Off Guardian find these “journalists” who are so eager to ignore – or downplay – the longstanding and increasing oppression of Uigurs in Xinjiang?

I understand that it is important to highlight the wrongdoings of the West, but if in doing so, one jumps into bed with even worse regimes, or ignores their behavior, you are not providing readers with anything new, but are actually making things worse.

If media outlets like Off Guardian are eager to distance themselves from the lies and distortions of the MSM, they ought to be more choosy about who they publish.

Haltonbrat
Haltonbrat
Aug 26, 2019 12:01 PM
Reply to  Glasshopper

Are you accusing Off-Guardian of being antisemitic in not criticising every country who could possible be matched with genocidal Israel, as detailed in the IHRA definition of antisemitism?

Glasshopper
Glasshopper
Aug 26, 2019 12:23 PM
Reply to  Haltonbrat

What are you raving about? My comment had nothing to do with Israel. I realise this forum is a magnet for obsessive Judeophobes, but you really are losing the plot today.

Haltonbrat
Haltonbrat
Aug 26, 2019 12:33 PM
Reply to  Glasshopper

Because the argument you are making is exactly that used by the Israelis to stifle criticism of their crimes against humanity. Your reply proves your position on that and not just your aggressiveness which is typical of the Israeli culture. I have no problems with Jews except for those who support the crimes of Israel which are numerous and intense.

Bootlyboob
Bootlyboob
Aug 26, 2019 12:27 PM
Reply to  Glasshopper
Glasshopper
Glasshopper
Aug 26, 2019 12:59 PM
Reply to  Bootlyboob

I’m well aware of Sunni extremism in many countries. Including my own. It does not justify the oppression which existed many years before 9/11 etc.

Aiwl
Aiwl
Aug 26, 2019 12:35 PM
Reply to  Glasshopper

Interesting how supporters of slaughtering of Muslims in several countries simultaneously, and oppressing [poor] Muslims worldwide, are the first to criticise vocational centres and restricting the jihadis’ movements in Xinjiang.

Glasshopper
Glasshopper
Aug 26, 2019 2:59 PM
Reply to  Aiwl

What do people like you know about Xinjiang? Have you travelled all over the region as i have? Do you have friends who’ve married into the community?

Of course not. And neither does the clown who wrote this article.

Haltonbrat
Haltonbrat
Aug 26, 2019 4:50 PM
Reply to  Glasshopper

Again you debate just like the Israelis whose tactic is to close down debate by saying that the other person has not been to Israel and therefore cannot have a view on the subject. Also why do you feel the need to insult the author. Again the Israelis continually use insults in attempt to shut the other person down.

mark
mark
Aug 26, 2019 5:21 PM
Reply to  Haltonbrat

Anyone who criticises Talmudistan (Norman Finkelstein, Gunther Grass, Cortez, Chomsky) are automatically banned from entry.

uncle tungsten
uncle tungsten
Aug 28, 2019 8:05 AM
Reply to  Editor

Thank you editor, I fully agree. Another blogger elsewhere always refers to israel as ‘occupied palestine’ just to drive the point home.

And a big THANK YOU for printi g and Andre Vitchek writing. I enjoy visiting his home page and also finding good interviews. He is one manificent humanitarian. Even the grasshoppers sing his praise.

Glasshopper
Glasshopper
Aug 26, 2019 7:15 PM
Reply to  Haltonbrat

I’ve been a stalwart supporter of the Palestinian cause since the early 80’s. I don’t need some muppet preaching to me in a discussion on Uigurs.

You are clearly obsessed with shoe-horning in your favorite topic where it doesn’t belong.

Haltonbrat
Haltonbrat
Aug 26, 2019 8:42 PM
Reply to  Glasshopper

Your mention of “obsessive Judeophobes” in relation to people bringing up the subject of Israel’s oppression of Palestinians does not suggest that you are a supporter of justice for Palestinians.
You are still being aggressive. Where did you learn to debate – at Eton?

Martin Usher
Martin Usher
Aug 27, 2019 12:23 AM
Reply to  Glasshopper

The trick that you’ve got to watch out for is the idea that a member of a cultural minority cannot by definition be a citizen of their country. This was pushed at us over the rail route to Lhasa — its not a way to enable a people to participate in the life of their country, its a way for “Han Chinese” to colonize someone else’s territory. Its the same with the far west; apparently the Belt and Road Initiative is all about Han Chinese colonization, the suppression of minority cultures and so on. Mapping this line to other countries you find that its really a ploy to break up countries that are getting too big for their boots. I suspect that there’s quite a lot of people in US government circles who’d like to see China go the way of post-1991 USSR, break it up into bits that ideally… Read more »

George
George
Aug 26, 2019 9:36 PM
Reply to  Glasshopper

“Have you travelled all over the region as i have?”

The old ex cathedra manouevre. We are not worthy.

Father Beyond
Father Beyond
Aug 26, 2019 10:46 PM
Reply to  Glasshopper

Read his books and you will find out who the real “clowns” are

Aiwl
Aiwl
Aug 27, 2019 1:11 AM
Reply to  Glasshopper

“What do people like you know about Xinjiang?”

Ah yeah right, if one doesn’t have personal relationship with a Brazilian tree, they shouldn’t be allowed to show their position on Amazon’s Fires.

I have seen this argument used by some spooks trying to shut debates with commenters who didn’t live where significant malicious cockup by the ZioAlliance happened (and still happening).

mark
mark
Aug 26, 2019 5:18 PM
Reply to  Glasshopper

Cue more crocodile tears for “the poor Uighurs” from the same people who killed half a million Iraqi children under 5 in Iraq.

Glasshopper
Glasshopper
Aug 26, 2019 7:19 PM
Reply to  mark

The discussion is not about Iraq, a subject i’m likely to agree with you on.

I am curious what you have against Uighurs though. Do you dismiss the Rohingya too?

You don’t seem very even handed on the topic of minorities being abused.

mark
mark
Aug 26, 2019 9:53 PM
Reply to  Glasshopper

I’m just a suspicious of stories about 6 million moslem Uighurs in concentration camps being turned into lamp soap and shades from the same people who are currently waging a hybrid war against China, and who are obviously so, so concerned about the welfare of moslems.

uncle tungsten
uncle tungsten
Aug 28, 2019 9:14 AM
Reply to  mark

The USA is soooo concerned about theUighurs that it totally forgot to reserve some concern for the Venezuelan people that it is curently starving and denying national wealth to so they can purchase hospitals, expand education services build new infrastructure etc.

The USA has so much concern that even its poodle over the Atlantic at airstrip one has stolen the Venezuelan people’s gold so they cannot improve health services, expand education etc etc. The five eyes look on approvingly and should any vassal blink then the USA will simply push up the price of oil as punishment. That increase will not affect the USA as it continues to stripmine the wealth of its future generations to achieve self sufficiency right now.

Mucho
Mucho
Aug 28, 2019 1:50 PM
Reply to  uncle tungsten

PM Bibi Netanyahu Boasts “Israel is the Second Eye of Five Eyes”

uncle tungsten
uncle tungsten
Aug 28, 2019 7:58 AM
Reply to  Glasshopper

Just to reveal another MIGHTY journalist for readers here (and certainly Grasshopper you must take your pills) do take a trip to mintpressnewsDOTcom and read all of Whitney Webb’s extraordinary writing. Not one word of it is anti semitic but it is dreadfully revealing of the ugliness of the USA.

Philip Roddis
Philip Roddis
Aug 28, 2019 12:32 PM
Reply to  Glasshopper

It might help, Glasshopper, if you identify your sources on “the longstanding and increasing oppression of Uigurs in Xinjiang”. I for one am no longer willing to trust MSM on much at all beyond the football results. Least of all when it comes to those countries which, regardless of their motivation and internal politics, stand in the way of Western imperialism. I add that ‘regardless’ sub clause because, while I welcome the broad thrust of Andre’s rousing piece, I wouldn’t go so far as to endorse the claim that: “… Russia and China do not crumble. They do not surrender. And they do not abandon their friends. Instead, they are building great railroads in Africa and Asia, they educate people from almost all poor and desperate countries, and stand by those who are being terrorized by both North America and Europe.” This paints R & C as saintlike altruists when… Read more »

Robbobbobin
Robbobbobin
Aug 28, 2019 1:11 PM
Reply to  Philip Roddis

‘It might help, Glasshopper, if you identify your sources on “the longstanding and increasing oppression of Uigurs in Xinjiang”.’

Erm:

Have you travelled all over the region as i have? Do you have friends who’ve married into the community?

Patient “anecdotal” evidence bad, identifiable textbook assertion definitive? Ever thought of becoming a medic?

Philip Roddis
Philip Roddis
Aug 28, 2019 1:39 PM
Reply to  Robbobbobin

Good point Robbobbobin.

I’ve had similar re Syria from a person who presumed to speak for its people, against Assad, on the ground that unlike me she’d had a few refugees round for tea. To claim higher ground (moral and/or epistemological) on the basis of acquaintance (real or putative) with a tiny sample of an ethnic or national group is childish and worthless.

Robbobbobin
Robbobbobin
Aug 29, 2019 7:10 AM
Reply to  Philip Roddis

Everybody claims higher ground for situations they know of from living there, having lived there, travelling there, having relatives there, having friends there, working there, speaking the language there and reading or listening to reports from there. And for every one of those you’ll find someone from or related to someone from the same general area with a similar view of the conditions but quite the opposite interpretation of them. Nevertheless, this sort of personal or trusted firsthand hearsay insight remains for everyone the very best sort of insight anyone can get and they are right to claim higher ground for their consequent views, regardless of whether others choose to accord it them or not. Most of us live amongst tiny samples. How else would parliametary parties with MPs regularly conducting surgeries with consituents all over the UK fuck up so spectacularly in their anticipation of the outcome of the… Read more »

George
George
Aug 29, 2019 8:19 AM
Reply to  Robbobbobin

Ah but sometimes it’s a case of: Everybody claims higher ground for situations they CLAIM TO know of. It sometimes happens that whenever e.g. China is mentioned, somebody pipes in with “I lived there for five years” or whenever an invasion is mentioned, someone says, “Well I was there when the bullets started flying” etc. Maybe they were. But sometimes people are known to fabricate. (Shock horror!)

DunGroanin
DunGroanin
Aug 26, 2019 10:28 AM

The highwater mark for the centuries long Anglo Imperialism is constantly reached across the globe. Indian subcontinent, Tibet, Korea, Vietnam, Cambodia… in the east. Afghanistan and across back to the ME now … the desperate bottom of the barrel petty caesars of the declining Empire are now splashing around in the Med’ – Boltons latest missive by twitter: “All hands on deck in the campaign to stop Iran from funding terror, destabilizing the globe, and breaking international sanctions. The illicit oil heading to Turkey on the Adrian Darya 1 must not be allowed off-loaded in port or at sea.” !!!!!!!!!!! How the fuck can anyone take the failing Empire at all seriously when one of its highly placed unelected arseholes starts telling the World about what not to do with ONE fully laden oil tanker, thoisands of miles from his homeland?? Who the fuck do they think they are telling… Read more »

nottheonly1
nottheonly1
Aug 26, 2019 11:17 AM
Reply to  DunGroanin

Bolton is a mentally ill subject whose sense for reality is so much compromised,that he lives in a fantasy world like anybody who believes to be Napoleon, or worse. He is constantly projecting his own criminal activities onto others.

Part of his mental illness is that he is incapable to realize that nobody is taking him serious anymore – but people that are mentally worse off then him. He and his fan base belong into closed mental healthcare, where they can wear their Napoleon hats and hide their hands under their jackets.

Father Beyond
Father Beyond
Aug 26, 2019 11:11 PM
Reply to  nottheonly1

My diagnosis of the life-condition of John Bolton is that he displays all the classic attributes of the psychopath. He tries to present a charming facade, behind which lies a complete lack of empathy with human life, which to these warmongering delinquents, remains a commodity to be disposed of in the satisfaction of their lusts and cravings for money, power, influence and status, at the base of which lies a perversion of the dignity and worth of all life, human or otherwise, which struggles to survive in the face of extinction on this planet, which is the property of no-one yet the property of all.. He is a high priest of Neo-liberalism and he expounds the “Monroe Doctrine” – which is but one of the heretical doctrines of Imperialism. The criticisms being directed towards Andre Vitchek here (and elsewhere) are unfounded and give the impression that these superior beings who… Read more »

Martin Usher
Martin Usher
Aug 27, 2019 12:25 AM
Reply to  nottheonly1

There are plenty more Boltons where he comes from. Most are a bit more subtle in their approach but they still share the same goals.

I m
I m
Aug 27, 2019 8:53 AM
Reply to  nottheonly1

In all honesty and in reply to ‘Father Beyond’ i’m convinced these people are simply crazed from watching too many superhero movies.

BigB
BigB
Aug 26, 2019 9:26 AM

I’m not sure what has happened to Andre. I used to wait on each new report from the global frontline with anticipation. Now, he is becoming increasingly deranged. He is increasingly obsessed with an imagined geography of Occident and Orient, East and West, that is completely contrafactual in the face of the globalised trans-national capital markets. The greatest pool of liquidity is ‘offshore’: that is neither East or West – but an integration of both. The imagined geography disaggregating them is just that: unreal and imaginary. He says his people are ready to fight and die for ‘their’ systems. This means they are ready to fight and die for the dollar. The globalised system is dollar based: despite the largely unfounded internet meme of de-dollarisation. The alternative systems – including the NDB, AIIB, CRA – are all dollarised for loans. If you want some of your money from the CRA… Read more »

George
George
Aug 26, 2019 8:32 AM

Another issue is what this means for the home populations of the Western nations. As the Western ruling class finds it harder and harder to intimidate the countries it has been bleeding, it will find its own formerly luxuriant position in danger and will start to demand more and more from its lower classes. And since the threat of a worker’s revolution (posed very concretely by Russia and China in the first half of the 20th century) no longer applies, the welfare state (formed as a concession to keep the proles in line) will become increasingly decimated. Our ruling class no longer even has to pretend to care. In short, the UK and US publics will start to become more and more like the foreign native populations targeted by the West.

Pablo
Pablo
Aug 26, 2019 3:24 PM
Reply to  George

Good points George, although as Vladimir Lenin allegedly said “The best way to control the opposition is to lead it ourselves.”…..Or have a look at ‘Wall Street and the Bolshevik Revolution’ book by Anthony C Sutton, available widely or pdf here; https://www.voltairenet.org/IMG/pdf/Sutton_Wall_Street_and_the_bolshevik_revolution-5.pdf

https://steemit.com/life/@steemtruth/controlled-opposition-your-friend-might-be-your-enemy-truth

Also Mao was a “Yaley” – headline: ‘Yale Group Spurs Mao’s Emergence’ http://digital.library.yale.edu/cdm/compoundobject/collection/yale-ydn/id/135148/rec/14
https://www.corbettreport.com/china-and-the-new-world-order-transcript/

So it seems that the ‘workers revolutions’ were not 100% grassroots up risings, just as today’s “Colour Revolutions” often arise out of the hidden hand of various change agents and NGO’s whose cover is as providing humanitarian support etc.

The Welfare State may have been as you say a concession, but there could conceivably be other reasons too maybe?

George
George
Aug 26, 2019 4:37 PM
Reply to  Pablo

I think the Western governments, having had decades of practice and observation, know full well not only to control the opposition and not only to lead it but to create it too. In a way, all this is just an extension of capitalist consumerism. The idea is to find out what everyone wants and then manufacture the image of it, but not the reality. According to the Adam Curtis documentary, “Century of the Self”, Edward Bernays, father of the modern PR industry, was asked by cigarette manufacturers how to get women to smoke (in those days it was considered a male activity and the cig industry figured it was missing out on a huge potential market demographic). Bernays did a bit of research and found out that what women wanted was to be more independent “like men”. So Bernays staged a publicity stunt whereby a number of young attractive women… Read more »

mark
mark
Aug 26, 2019 5:24 PM
Reply to  George

Our ruling elite has run out of places to loot.
Unfortunately those pesky Russkies/ Chinks/ Eye-ranians won’t play ball any more.
So they have to cannibalise their own societies, eat their own tail and loot their own countries instead.

Wilmers31
Wilmers31
Aug 26, 2019 7:29 AM

For a one-son family no reason is good enough for war.

Since ‘the pill’ people adapt their family size to their financial or other means. This results in one-son families at a significant percentage. Russia is quite an example. Due to their housing restrictions they had (have) small families. When I heard in 1982 how distraught Soviet mothers were who had to bury welded zinc coffins (coming from Afghanistan) I knew the Soviet Union was on borrowed time – and then they threw the whole system out.

“But it is too cowardly, too spoiled to risk the lives of its soldiers.” No, mothers do not like to see their one son used for war, war that serves the big corporations and not the people who are told it is their fight.

Arby
Arby
Aug 26, 2019 6:54 AM

Andre’s report here is too simplistic to be useful. He needs to learn nuance. When you’re reporting on imperialists’ designs on places like China, it doesn’t help the reader to care much about the report if it’s unbalanced. People know about China’s social credit system. Therefore, Andre, Say something about that. (You come across as attempting to manipulate readers when you leave out facts that are most of us are aware of.) Acknowledge that it’s bad. American imperialism isn’t the only evil in the world either. As for fascism, Andre seems to have the same aversion to speaking plainly about it as almost everyone else has, in my view. Wherever you have the political and capitalist class working together, running everything and cutting the people out, you have fascism. That’s the definition I’m using because it’s useful ‘and’ correct. Mussolini – who I think we can all agree knows something… Read more »

George
George
Aug 26, 2019 8:42 AM
Reply to  Arby

The issue of China’s social credit system – or, indeed, anyone’s – is irrelevant to the point begin made in the essay. You speak as if we – the public – can freely choose between this and that system. We can’t. We’re stuck with our system at present just as the Chinese are with theirs. And the point is that our system, which has been relentlessly intimidating other systems, is now in severe problems because the other systems are fighting back.

Arby
Arby
Aug 26, 2019 8:42 PM
Reply to  George

I have a feeling that replying to these comments in my email (aol) is a waste of time. I replied to this one that way and I see nothing. Hmm.

I will continue to raise the issue of China’s obscene social credit system when the discussion involves unqualified praise for that country, just as I will continue to raise the issue of the crushing of Palestinian human rights when I am in a discussion about an article giving unqualified praise to nazi Israel.

Others can do as they wish.

George
George
Aug 26, 2019 9:15 PM
Reply to  Arby

“Unqualified praise”? I fail to see it. The article is entirely centred on the West’s efforts to bully and suppress others. And of the resistance of those others.

Arby
Arby
Aug 27, 2019 1:04 PM
Reply to  George

Here’s what I don’t see. I don’t see Andre pointing out ‘any’ faults of the Chinese system. And that’s what I said.

George
George
Aug 27, 2019 5:12 PM
Reply to  Arby

There’s a lot of things Andre didn’t point out e.g. the weather in China, the national dress, the suicide rate, the top ten favourite pop bands etc.

Arby
Arby
Aug 26, 2019 9:33 PM
Reply to  George

I’ve tried a zillion times to respond to you. This is another attempt. The reply disappears every time. There’s nothing special about the reply either.

Martin Usher
Martin Usher
Aug 27, 2019 12:35 AM
Reply to  Arby

The Chinese social credit system is a peculiarly Chinese way of trying to manage a population that simultaneously has one foot in the 18th century and the other in the 22nd. There are lots of examples of Chinese behaving badly — youTube has some videos of what happens when some Chinese encounter an all you can eat buffet, for example — but its not because the “Chinese” are bad but their uneven collective history. At that point what would you do? Deny progress until the worst elements catch up with the rest of society or apply relatively lightweight coercive measures? We have similar structures in the West. Americans (and increasingly the British) live or die by the credit rating. Get a crap score and you won’t just be able to get credit, you’ll find it difficult to rent a place to live, to apply for school and 101 other things.… Read more »

Arby
Arby
Aug 27, 2019 1:05 PM
Reply to  Martin Usher

Acknowledged.

Bootlyboob
Bootlyboob
Aug 26, 2019 6:22 AM

In case anyone hasn’t read it yet, I highly recommend this book:

The Imperial Cruise: A Secret History of Empire and War.

James Bradley is surely in the running to become the first foreign member of the Communist Party. 🙂

Red Allover
Red Allover
Aug 26, 2019 6:19 AM

What Third World theorists tend to leave out is this. Imperialism is also a disaster for the common people of the imperialist nation itself. The Roman Empire devastated the average Italian farmer. They could not compete with cheaper crops and crafts from Gaul or Libya. In the Spanish Empire, the riches of South America made a few grandees on top fortunes, while inflation impoverished the Spanish people for centuries. In Britain at the height of their Empire, in World War I, when they were in desperate need of fighting men, fully 40% of recruits had to be rejected as too malnourished and stunted from factory work to serve. Jack London wrote that he got better food as a prisoner in America then as a worker in England. And the American Empire is the same. Told they are fighting to defend America’s freedom, US soldiers are really fighting to export the… Read more »

DunGroanin
DunGroanin
Aug 26, 2019 10:50 AM
Reply to  Red Allover

RedA, Sort of, but …. there was NO Italy to speak of during the Roman Empire, just as there was no Greece during their Athenian Empire (Italy only came to be fairly recently in history) Infact many of the reknown leaders of both these ancient empires, originated from the serbian areas (there is a big untold story in that) These Empires like almost all were built on slavery – the oldest profession in the world is not prostitution – slave master is older! But you are right in recognising that the battle is between the slave owners and their slaves – the fear of a slave uprising requiring an iron heal and chains, and frequent culling. The mince meaters of the trenches was about protecting the aristocrats from their rising able young male populations who were throwing off their ancient yokes and ignoring religious control and demanding more from their… Read more »

bevin
bevin
Aug 26, 2019 10:07 PM
Reply to  Red Allover

“In Britain at the height of their Empire, in World War I, when they were in desperate need of fighting men, fully 40% of recruits had to be rejected as too malnourished and stunted from factory work to serve.”
Excellent points. It was not just factory work, though. Rural labour was also depressed to the point of lifelong malnutrition. Furthermore the standards of the recruiters were very low: there were entire regiments of Bantam soldiers- composed of soldiers less than five feet tall.
Recruits for the Napoleonic wars, in a time of terrible destitution among the masses- were much healthier.

mark
mark
Aug 27, 2019 2:18 AM
Reply to  bevin

I wonder how they would compare to the present day if we had to bring back the draft.
If you subtract the raving gays and drag queens, the trannies on a cocktail of hormone suppressing meds, the junkies, the punks, the morbidly obese, those unable to wear boots, I think they might have to reject a lot more than 40%.

But they could probably form completely new units like Transsexual Team Six, the 3rd Heavy Lesbians, and the President’s Own San Francisco Gays to take the enemy from the rear.

I don’t know what effect they’d have on the enemy, but they’d certainly frighten me.

Antonym
Antonym
Aug 26, 2019 2:44 AM

China has been provoked practically and insanely, ‘on all fronts’ – from Taiwan, Hong Kong, Tibet and the so-called ‘Uyghur Issue’, to trade.

Four totally different peoples with various cultures and locations “provoked” the dragon? No, the dragon wants to dominate and lashes its tail. Next in line are Vietnam, Korea, the Philippines, Bhutan. After India, Afghanistan, Myanmar and Malaysia.

Andre’s first foreign membership to the CPC has been accepted in Beijing.

Bootlyboob
Bootlyboob
Aug 26, 2019 6:20 AM
Reply to  Antonym

Trolls tend to repeat themselves don’t they? Pointing out facts doesn’t correlate to being a sycophant for the Communist Party.

Frank Speaker
Frank Speaker
Aug 26, 2019 8:46 AM
Reply to  Bootlyboob

He’s not a troll, that’s unwarranted, he just has a different opinion to you, and quite often me.

Bootlyboob
Bootlyboob
Aug 26, 2019 9:16 AM
Reply to  Frank Speaker

Nah, what’s unwarranted is repeating the absurd accusation that the writer of any OffG writers are puppets of the CCP.

Bootlyboob
Bootlyboob
Aug 26, 2019 9:17 AM
Reply to  Bootlyboob

When are we getting edit buttons by the way?

nottheonly1
nottheonly1
Aug 26, 2019 11:48 AM
Reply to  Frank Speaker

If you are citing a sentence of the essay as a blockquote and still don’t see its real meaning, that could very well be interpreted as willful. The sentence says clearly “China has been provoked..” and that is what is happening. China is provoked and subjected to a trade war that is only possible because Clinton B. exported U.S. manufacturing to China. A trip to any store, especially large retailers will make that obvious.

‘MADE IN CHINA’ did not exist pre-Clinton B.

Haltonbrat
Haltonbrat
Aug 26, 2019 12:09 PM
Reply to  Frank Speaker

As in the Israeli view of their country’s history. It’s the freedom fighters who are the terrorists.

Arby
Arby
Aug 26, 2019 6:56 AM
Reply to  Antonym

Andre’s simple statement, in this case, is simply, observably (John Pilger’s “The Coming War With China” for example) correct.

bevin
bevin
Aug 26, 2019 10:09 PM
Reply to  Antonym

There have been many foreign members of the Communist Part in China, including, I believe Norman Bethune, something of which many Canadians are proud.

axisofoil
axisofoil
Aug 26, 2019 2:43 AM

Didn’t work in Vietnam.

Aiwl
Aiwl
Aug 26, 2019 11:52 AM
Reply to  axisofoil

There are many aspects to conflicts.

For inflicting so many diseases and chronic health problems on the population, this is a huge success for Big Pharma as generations of vietnamese keep paying enormous treasure to deal with these illnesses and disabilities caused by the chemicals and bombs of the [democratic] criminal invasion.

I am not illustrating a success for Big Pharma, but drawing attention that these crimes must be accounted and completely compensated for, and a system to be put in place, so this can never happen again.

mark
mark
Aug 26, 2019 2:35 AM

What the economists call The Law Of Diminishing Returns applies. It takes the expenditure of more and more effort and resources to achieve the same result. Or in the case of Uncle Sam’s efforts over the past 30 years, to achieve nothing at all. By any rational assessment, it is clear that this is a dead end, and something else should be tried. But if you look for historical precedents, you can see this will simply not happen. Uncle Sam will continue to apply brute force in heavier and heavier doses, until he is defeated and no longer physically capable of doing so. The Hundred Years’ War (1337-1453) was a disaster for France and England. France was devastated and reduced to famine conditions as armies rampaged across the countryside applying scorched earth tactics. Most people in England had to endure crippling taxation to pay for it all. Hence the Peasants’… Read more »

Frank Speaker
Frank Speaker
Aug 26, 2019 8:52 AM
Reply to  mark

Good post Mark, but when you way “America is a lot weaker than is generally realised, even militarily”, you are ignoring that they’ve already authorised the “pre-emptive” use of nuclear weapons and I’m sure the neocons are mad enough to use them. They’d be willing to take everyone else down with them, they are utterly evil psychopaths.

nottheonly1
nottheonly1
Aug 26, 2019 11:55 AM
Reply to  Frank Speaker

There is a ‘reading’ by Edgar Cayce ‘The Sleeping Prophet’ about the fate of the United States. Before it can unleash its own pre-emptive strikes, it will be pre-emptively prevented from doing that. By an alliance of Russia, China, India and unspecified other Nations. While it is ‘just’ a prophecy, he was quite accurate with the majority of his readings. Nostradamus had also a ‘Centurion’ that could be applied to this situation. We will find out. Because the clock is ticking and one thing the U.S. regime does not have is Time.

Aiwl
Aiwl
Aug 26, 2019 1:34 PM
Reply to  nottheonly1

“an alliance of Russia, China, India”

Russia and China seem to be building a formidable alliance.
India, on the other hand, seems to be ruled by zionist neocons.

mark
mark
Aug 26, 2019 5:43 PM
Reply to  nottheonly1

I wouldn’t give too much credence to Nostradamus.
In all except one isolated case, all his predictions are complete BS.

mark
mark
Aug 26, 2019 5:36 PM
Reply to  Frank Speaker

You’re quite right. America is like the black sheriff in Blazing Saddles who puts a gun to his head and says – Stand back or the nigger gets it!

This quite a plausible outcome.
Look at the people running that country (and their satellites like the UK.)
Arrogant, venal, corrupt, incredibly ignorant, delusional, and ideologically driven.
War, economic, social, political collapse, can no longer be avoided.

Philip
Philip
Aug 26, 2019 1:41 AM

I summarize the western imperial strategy as: First they send in the banks then they send in the tanks.

Antonym
Antonym
Aug 26, 2019 9:27 AM
Reply to  Philip

Eastern CPC also sends in the banks first (another copyright violation 😉 : BRI. Till now they followed up with war ships till Malaysia. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Belt_and_Road_Initiative#Malaysia and https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spratly_Islands_dispute#Malaysia

Remember the CPC is just getting warmed up, not stumbling at 3/4 race like the US deep state.

Ben Trovata
Ben Trovata
Aug 26, 2019 6:56 PM
Reply to  Philip

“…First comes the soldier with his sword,and then the historian with his sponge. — Lord Acton”

nottheonly1
nottheonly1
Aug 26, 2019 1:40 AM

It has been long in the making. The mill stones of the Universe grind slowly, but they grind relentlessly and persistent. Bob Marley once sang that ‘You can fool some people some time…’ The truth is, that the West was able to fool its share of the global population for some time – but it was never able to fool seven billion people all of the time. One can call it what one wants, I call it Evolution. Evolution does not abide by the delusional wet dreams of grandeur by a selected Kast of hyper rich and their political puppets. These forces serve only as the sorely needed contrast to wake up all of the people. The collective empire and its stooges need to run around naked for all to see. They do that by clinging on to war crimes, crimes against humanity and psychological projection. The West is sitting… Read more »

Cassandra2
Cassandra2
Aug 26, 2019 1:43 PM
Reply to  nottheonly1

The numbers certainly favour humanity, but the ‘Master Elite’ (a completely hidden entity) hold all the power (political systems), money (offshore), the narrative (via MSM ownership & propaganda matrix) and will ultimately gain complete control over the people through the escalating (slow creep) application of their ‘Technocratic’ systems (China’s social credit system is simply an early trial run). Refer to link for the rise of Technocracy: https://youtu.be/49ItdM4uBpU Numbers hold the potential to resist and overturn the virulent ‘global’ ambitions of the ‘Master Elite’, but only if UNITED. That is why they have applied prodigious effect, over the past 70 year, to socially and economically destabilising American and European Society. Dumb down education, off-shore de-industrialisation, immigration overload, ineffectual military actions, EU breakdown of sovereignty etc. etc. The results are evidential to their success in creating social division, confusion and despair. A ‘catalyst’ is required to rally the people to action, but… Read more »

nottheonly1
nottheonly1
Aug 26, 2019 4:41 PM
Reply to  Cassandra2

All true. However, I just talked to my Mom and she told me that a man a dozen years her junior died in their building. In spite of having a pace maker – like my father. It is this belief in technology that has removed one essential truth from the minds of the people: When you time has come – no money, nor machine will save you. Same goes for empires, especially wanna-be empires. When their time comes, nothing will suffice to prevent them from dissolution. Everything is temporary. No exception to this fact. Like You said, I see the real main problem in what has been called ‘the machine’ as well. It is bureaucracy that has the potential to do humanity in. No one really accountable – all just doing their job – passing new legislation, ordinances, rules and regulations that will affect those who put their stamp on… Read more »

Cassandra2
Cassandra2
Aug 26, 2019 7:01 PM
Reply to  nottheonly1

Thank you Notheonly1 for taking the time to respond.

I fully understand your sentiments, having studied the history and cycle of empires, Sir John Glubb’s ‘Fate of Empires’ for example. They have all succumbed to the corruption of their ‘human’ administrations.

The empire now evolving and about to envelop the world will not suffer the fate of previous empires for it will not be controlled and administered by ‘humans’.

Technocracy, as described in Patrick Woods excellent three part interview (link featured), will establish a system of social management and control that will be totally automated and capable of self optimisation as people’s data access/penetration reaches a point of optimum saturation.

I.E. THIS EMPIRE WILL NOT BE OPEN TO HUMAN INFALLIBILITY. THE SYSTEM DEVELOPED WILL SIMPLY RESPOND TO THE DESIRES AND WHIMS OF IT’S ‘MASTER ELITE’ INITIATORS.

Martin Usher
Martin Usher
Aug 26, 2019 12:48 AM

I assume that those organizations that push “Freedom and Democracy” are staffed by professionals and like any organization that been around for some time its institutionalized its processes and procedures. Its a bit like a corporation hawking a commodity product, something that’s as exciting as, say, a soap powder. The product eventually becomes well known globally and so difficult to re-brand as ‘new and improved’. Obviously if the targets for their product are at all on the ball they will have studied the marketing methodology used against them and developed and deployed a counter product. The first line of defense is the obvious one that “Freedom and Democracy” tends to result in “Impoverishment and Oppression” for those lucky enough to have had a successful color revolution. The second line is to understand the formulaic provocations and develop appropriate non-reactions to them. The third line is to open channels with the… Read more »

Basher
Basher
Aug 26, 2019 12:22 AM

Love it Andre. We are on off-g coz we know. We need to show others. It isn’t easy, talking to family and friends, who still get their information from BBC and the Guardian. I had my brother to stay recently and he ignored all I had to say. He’s still using BBC info as source to argue a point with. I love him. It’s so tough. I feel like he sees me as his deluded big brother, influenced by ‘ fake news’. He won’t listen.

H.F.S
H.F.S
Aug 26, 2019 2:16 AM
Reply to  Basher

In 2009, the Nieman Foundation for Journalism at Harvard University reported that the annual Pentagon Public Relations Spending is approximately $5 billion (link) “Reporters need to examine where the line is between public relations and propaganda, or if there is a line at all. This year [2009] the cost of ‘winning hearts and minds’ at home and abroad is expected to be at least $4.7 billion. It is well known by now that a secret Pentagon program recruited dozens of former military leaders as “message force multipliers.” The Pentagon, starting in 2002, fed them talking points, took them on tightly-managed trips to Iraq and Guantanamo Bay, and carefully monitored their media appearances. This pundits program, it appears, was only a small part of Pentagon attempts to get out its message in favorable terms.” Diane Farsetta http://www.niemanwatchdog.org/index.cfm?fuseaction=Ask_this.view&askthisid=400 This spending (employing an estimated 27,000 people for recruitment, advertising and public relations —… Read more »

Father Beyond
Father Beyond
Aug 26, 2019 4:05 AM
Reply to  Basher

And you love it, Basher, because in a climate of despair, in a culture of apathy and resignation, we are seeing beams of hope piercing the permanently overcast skies of a stolen land – ruled outright by the very people who are now beginning to experience a rude awakening to the fact that scammers, thieves and perverts never prosper. It was John Pilger who said of Andre’s book (Revolutionary Optimism – Western Nihilism) “In an age of formula media. Andre Vitchek’s work is truly exceptional – – – fiercely independent and bracing in its challenges to the echoes and lies of great power.” In the end, the invective of conviction and the integrity of those of true courage is no match for the cowards and bullies, no matter how powerful they may imagine they are. The Empire is now in the kalpa of disintegration which will be the herald of… Read more »

nottheonly1
nottheonly1
Aug 26, 2019 4:25 PM
Reply to  Father Beyond

For those who understand German, there is an exceptionally well done publication that occasionally translates English articles into German, but I have never seen one of their articles translated into English. It’s called Rubikon and their journalistic capabilities are stellar. Maybe I can translate some of their articles and ask OffGuardian to publish them?

Gezzah Potts
Gezzah Potts
Aug 26, 2019 9:10 AM
Reply to  Basher

I have friends who get all their news from The Guardian or ABC here in Aussie. One of them is fairly open now to looking at sites like Information Clearing House or Moon Of Alabama, the others won’t have a bar of it, point blank refuse to look…. ‘conspiracy theories’ ‘fake news’ etc.
Today saw a car sticker for ABC that went: Independent Media>>>ABC. Had to do a double take, then thought – even their bloody stickers are fake. More bollocks from Aunty.

Capricornia Man
Capricornia Man
Aug 26, 2019 10:59 AM
Reply to  Gezzah Potts

For a year, now, its Radio National breakfast programme has repeatedly peddled the “systemic antisemitism in the British Labour Party” lie. No contrary speakers, facts or statistics permitted. This conforms to its “Code of Practice”, the ABC insists.

Gezzah Potts
Gezzah Potts
Aug 26, 2019 11:46 AM

Agree with you CM. After Trumpf was elected, it was the whole Russiagate garbage, on and on ad nauseaum, now its full scale hyperventilating about the Hong Kong protests (directed and funded by CIA front groups like NED)and yeah, rampant anti semitism in the UK Labour Party.
ABC are stenographers for Empire and Imperialism. They are not impartial or unbiased. Look at ‘reporters’ like the truly odious Philip Williams, or Michael Rowland or even Emma Alberici. These people serve the agenda of the Anglo Zionist Empire.
Ask yourself, where is the coverage of the Gilets Jaunes in France compared to the amount of coverage they’ve given to the Hong Kong protests. Look at how they covered Venezuela. Impartial? Ha ha ha…. I try and boycott them, however occasionally take a peek to see how bad they are. Ugh.

Capricornia Man
Capricornia Man
Aug 26, 2019 10:04 PM
Reply to  Gezzah Potts

Indeed, GP. A standard ABC tactic when reporting these sorts of issues is lying-by-omission: omitting relevant and readily available facts which might contradict its narrative. Occasionally, one wishes we had a license fee here so one could make a point by refusing to pay it.