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Since last Thursday – over a week ago – OffG has been under continued intermittent Distributed Denial of Service (DDoS) attacks from agents unknown.
Today around 7pm BST the attack increased in severity sharply and took the site down despite the defense measures we had in place. Since then we’ve been struggling to a) understand what type of attack it is and b) find better counter-measures.
It’s not proving easy. The loads on the server are dropping but are still high.
Until we beat this you’ll find the site is slow to load or completely unavailable.
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I’m not supprised!
I generally don’t like ‘inspirational quotes’, but this one might be sort of appropriate:
“A nation that is afraid to let its people judge the truth and falsehood in an open market is a nation that is afraid of its people.”
John F. Kennedy
So Kennedy said something that is not allowed!
If we could make a list of all the people who were silenced for walking disallowed territory …. we would have a long list, but beyond that …..???
You’re back! How marvelous. But I can imagine what kind of nightmare such an attack by criminal idiots is. Well, what goes around, comes around – no exception ever.
Here is another link I wanted to share about the origin of the present global nastiness:
The Alliance of Resistance – to everything that is beneficial for mankind.
(From GlobalResearch)
It’s really not marvelous, because the bottom line is not people pissing around in cyberspace.
The real world is going out with pitchforks.
@RobG: “The real world is going out with pitchforks.”
Like Dr.Assad and Pres.Putin, Iran, Hezb’Allah, Yemen and the Donbas Peoples Republic, to name only the most currently active members of the Resistance. With Cuba, Venezuela and China quietly putting their money where their mouth is. And the oppressed Gilets Jaunes in banker-occupied West Europe — how long before those long suffering French people stop turning the other cheek to banker brutality, and take up their pitchforks?
I was under the impression ‘marvelous’ is a word I could use for my excitement that the site is back up. It cetainly does not apply to the prsent state of global affairs, as the link will make clear.
Secondly, I have my own experiences facing violence. Although it is a religious notion, it still makes sense to me:
He who rules by the sword, will die by the sword.
That counts for all violence in my eyes. If it can’t be avoided, because the masses will have lost it, that’s a result and reaction to the criminal activities of the criminally rich. It would be regretable, but considering what the Western regimes are doing to large numbers of innocent people in the Eastern part, it would be logical that the oppressed will release the pressure on the responsible criminals.
It starts with DDOS, then in another couple of years, sites likes OffG will be banned by TPTB or unreachable behind the the Great British Firewall.
Probably our chums at the Ministry of Truth/ 77th Brigade doing their stuff. They have to do something with all that taxpayer’s money. We should be flattered they are targeting us rather than other truth tellers. They will probably soon be revealing the truth about Catte Black’s cannibalism and devil worshipping activities.
Take a look at the big round shiny building in the UK. Imagine how many people work there on the taxpayer coin. I don’t know how this can resolve. In the meantime let’s worship some tridents.
What is the eligibility criteria for a website to become a target for cyberattacks?
Did they give any warnings?
Do they have demands?
Did they ask for something that wasn’t followed up?
Is negotiation possible with them?
Does Alexander downer work for them?
I don’t think so. Alexander will keep a very low profile after he meddled in the US elections.
Foreign meddling: One American (Papadopoulos) claims Russia has dirt on another American (Hillary Clinton).
Australian writes report about non-Australian event = foreign meddling.
I am sure they are welcome here. Why don’t they (the cyber attackers) prove they at least part human, and join the discussion like humans, and nice animals, do.
If they have a point, why don’t they come and explain to us their superb ideas.
Best of luck with that, and hope you solve it. Was wondering if it was just me getting the ‘checkng your browser routine’ and ‘failure to connect to database’ message. Also, as pointed out below, some issues have come only since cutting over to the new server.
I blame the 77th brigade of the terrorist British army
And/or Israel! Almost forgot the other likely suspect
Would be logical considering the amount of anti-Israel bias here, but I hope it not them. Too much fun reading both plausible AND wacko conspiracy theories here.
The Braves lead the Cardinals 1-0 in the 6th. Is this good for Israel, Antonym?
Israel does make like easier for people like mark and others; simply everything considered negative on Earth by them is the fault of Israel. Working backward from this end conclusion usually bring trouble in the motive, opportunity and capability departments but imagination is a great help.
Antonym, my point was that you see nearly everything in the context of Israel. I hope you don’t mind me saying but you are more alike those you criticize than you perhaps realize.
As a knee jerk supporter, you may be trying to balance the dialogue but would you not be more effective if you actually debated the issues which make people so negative about Israel? It is a point of view drowned out by mindless accusations of anti-semitism and Mark’s comment about the truth being anti-Semitic gains traction. Unless of course there is no rebuttal to be made and this is all you have? Yes I am trying to provoke you but don’t see it as negative. There are people who are appalled by Israel but some of those are not motivated by hatred.
If you want to know who rules over us, ask who you are on no account allowed to criticise.
Nethanyahu couldn’t win the Israeli elections; he is still in front of an Israeli court; mark & co are still 101% anti Israel on the Net. Looks like your simple theory is flawed.
Start with this: who would benefit from marking Israel as the sole source of evil in this Galaxy?
You get faction feuding in every evil empire. Goering, Himmler, Ribbentrop all hated each others guts. The utterly vile genocidal Zionist Regime is no different.
That would be the Texa$ – $audi twins: no “Islamophobia” for oil and dollar’s sake. Bush – Bin Laden.
Keep fighting the good fight, Off-G.
The cyber attack experts are in Israel. Their big problem at the moment is to stop Corbyn becoming PM.
What is the nature of these attacks? You are running that browser checker app which suggests that they are simply thousands of url requests being made to the server from a large collection of remote ip addresses.
One should always be sceptical about global crisis. Was the Great Financial Crisis really a crisis, or was it a mini drama turned into a crisis and for what purposes? Economic control passed directly to globally linked technocrat central bankers and as a result and we have seen austerity and over a decade of a transfer of wealth from the working and middle classes to the 0.001%. Does one suppose a technocratic ‘solution’ to a global climate crisis will be any different in terms of economic outcomes for the people? Central bankers did not solve or address the real problems of the GFC. They have in fact created an even greater existential financial crisis which is now looming. Why should we trust in the ability of climate scientists any more than economists? The record of climate predictions are equally as poor if not worse than those of economists. Science is steeped in hubris, the response to climate change will create far more problems than it solves.
Global crisis are particularly useful to the globalist elite because if we accept them, they logically demand a uni-polar globalist response. This means that in western terms, a Neoliberal global body will attempt to take responsibility and ownership of the crisis. When that crisis extends to all of nature then ultimately that body will try to take imperialist Neoliberal ownership of the entire world in the financialization or market privatisation of nature by western banks and corporations. Such a uni-polar global response will not take place immediately however. Russia and China are currently embarking on the Belt and Road initiative which will run concurrently with the west’s climate timetable as it too is scheduled for completion in 2049. This will be the largest, most polluting infrastructure project in history and Russia and China have far too many weapons to dictate terms to them. Therefore the bullying imperialism of the western response will be confined to further decimating the wealth of its own citizens and dictating policy and assuming resource ownership of those countries too weak to resist, most of them in the global south.
What forms of Neoliberal, scientific and technocratic response does one suppose that this will take over the next 30 years? CCS projects will not be enough, we will see Geo-engineering projects aimed at controlling the weather along with a global roll-out of genetically modified trees and plants which are designed to store CO2 more efficiently. The fourth industrial revolution will see the end of all personal freedom and sovereignty as we move into a surveillance based totalitarianism far worse than anything envisaged by Orwell. When AI takes over medicine those in poverty will be systematically monitored with smart devices and find themselves evolving into mere commodities as an unwitting organ donor class whose real economic value is only realised once they are sadly and explicably taken too early. Once the cold and twisted logics of Neoliberalism are programmed into the system at a software and operating system level there is no questioning them and no means of judicial appeal as the decisions of machines are deemed to be unquestionable.
Surely you are a target for DDOS attacks, but also, since you “upgraded” your site there have been regular issues, and the types of issue that did not exist before.
Comments not posting and database errors are nothing to do with DDOS and I think the people who migrated the old site to the new one did a poor job, I think the database is messed up or not configured properly.
Your privacy notice at the bottom of this site also forwards to a .com address of your site, rather than .org and does not display. Check it, and you’ll see it, and it means you are not complying with GDPR. I believe this is an error symptomatic of the poor quality of the new site…hope it’s not been deliberately messed up by some developer!
There’s more issues, and that’s even before we start to worry about DDOS attacks!
Just checked, I meant the “cookie policy” pop up, it erroneously goes to .com
The bastards could fine you massively or close you down for such a “transgression”.
Good luck sorting it out.
1. The ‘database errors’ are a direct result of the DDoS attack snarling the site up. Nothing wrong with our configuration.
2. Hard to understand your point about the comments. One reason we moved was the ongoing massive issues on the old site with comments failing to appear plus the fact we had virtually no control over the comment software. 99% of those issues are now resolved. The new comment system is efficient and functional. Missing comments will inevitably still happen sometimes however, as they do will all sites.
We have decided to find your curmudgeonly carping charming.
I was trying to help and provide you with feedback to the IT issues. I have an IT role myself and have been involved in WordPress setting up, including databases and comments.
I’ll say again, processing of comments on the user end is typically very slow, even before the DDoS attacks, the timer icon is visible for many seconds.
It’s OK though, I won’t provide any more feedback since you don’t want any from me. Good luck.
Whoa I just had the delay device used on me after I had already connected to to OG but when I started this post. I was and still will suggest that the OG contact William Binney for advice on how to remedy and or identify the culprits.
Gotta’ second that, Jim, it’s all in English alright, but not a form, the royal ‘we’ can recognise,
in the purity of computer code, here @OffG, apparently . . . so, your suggestion is excellent, doable and Bill is a very rational impartial mathematical genius & humanist kinda’ guy, imho: and such investigative actions will get even easier, when, legal proceedings are finished against Kim Dotcom, if anybody is still interested in ?Julian Assange and dead Seth Rich? and Ms. Ratner & a few others like Seymour Hirsch; ‘deer’ me, what a mess in the computer & media world of today, especially in Law. 😉
I posted this link before already, but almost nobody seems to be taking the Assange, Bill & Kim Dotcom connectivity seriously, presently @OffG >>> when what Kim says in the following link, with Bill Binney is simply said, ‘HUGELY’ significant . . .
When listened carefully !
https://youtu.be/KueUkNpdDBU
Hope you see, how the PTB leverage the royal ‘we’, legally speaking … 🙂
Additionally: One point of logic, Jim, given that Kim Dotcom is STILL on bail, it follows that he must be & has had to be particularly legally very cautious & very careful & extremely wary about what he has to say about Assange & Rich and much much more, in public,
yet he feels compelled to speak.
An OffG article on Kim’s ‘fortunes’ & fateful choices is surely worthy . . .
and it would help Assange’s case, in many ways, because there is no special love lost between them and like Kim, I feel that from a media analyst’s perspective and understanding & regulating future surveillance states in Law, we all have much to learn & educate.
Corporate Law Dictates, even Secret Services with Ponzi-Budget-Systems of Finance ! ?
Existential ‘end times’, much to discuss with open source, after financial collapse.
Major change approaches, in every sense. This very cyber-attack on OffG, could be considered an easy case to prosecute, in futures bright .. . with intelligent systems,
not favouring corporations. Alles Nachvollziehbar, just follow the chain. 😉
Oh wait, what was Bill Binney saying about “Parallel Platforms” ? Holy Moly . . . ? !
Who operates that ? They get wages . . .
the flak is always heaviest directly over the target.
OT, but speaking of being over the target, i see the historical child abuse has been called a “witch-hunt” and “none of it ever happened”
the mind boggles
I thought as much: I keep getting a 504 message: unable to connect to database. It’s good news though: it means we are an irritant to someone somewhere. Don’t let the bastards get you down. Keep on doing what you are doing. Giving a voice to the people who don’t have a voice thanks to the likes of the bastards who are doing the attacking.
And if anyone from 77 Brigade – or whoever – is listening …it’s your future to. As they used to say in Spain: “If you tolerate this: then your children will be next”. And they will not have a voice. Or anyone to speak for them. Or a future.
[Which was also the theme of a pretty good song by the Manics]
Reasonable to assume the opposition is monitoring, compromising and creating these sort of sites. It’s not called the ‘net’ or ‘web’ for nothing. The internet was the ARPAnet. html came out of CERN, the post-war nuclear research project.
Have you considered alerting Jeremy Cunt?
Cunt is a powerful advocate of free-speech providing that speech falls within narrow, establishment friendly parameters set by Kath Viner and other Quislings across the MSM.
https://off-guardian.org/2019/07/11/hypocrisy-taints-uks-media-freedom-conference/
You mean the same Jeremy Hunt who has cheered on the jailing and torture of Julian Assange.
Harry, may I suggest he be called Jeremy Rhymeswith?
Join the discussion..Jeremy near-homonym.
You are making waves with fine reporting, fine articles, and a very open and uncensored comment section. I know they produce a lot of hard work, but the attacks are also compliments of a sort.
Yesterday mid-afternoon UK time, a comment of mine wouldn’t post. I refreshed the page and got an error message along the lines of “Unable to connect to database”. It’s the first time I’ve seen that. I worried you had been hacked and the hacker had trashed your database. Apparently not, but it was an ominous message nonetheless. I guess the DDOS load was so great, the database connect timed out.
Good on you! cobbers, you must be getting under their skin. SyrPer is likewise under attack, offline for a couple of days. Cloudflare Protection Service seems to have restored both of you, most of the time.
Thank you for telling us this Off Guardian – I’m not very techno savvy and for the last week – including just now been getting something called CloudFlare telling me I’m being redirected and something called DDOS is giving a coded number. From here in New Zealand I read all your posts. Keep up the great service.
Bastards. Any site that shines a spotlight on the vast crimes of the Rogue Empire and the 0.01% parasites will be targeted. They want our dissenting voices silenced. Screw that and screw them.
Last 3-4 days, have found it literally impossible to post a comment here. Couple times have waited over 10 mins for comment to appear – and nothing.
Good luck with getting things back to normal. So much for freedom of speech.
Same here couldn’t post and couldn’t comment
Yep, got pretty frustrating, and swore at my phone a number of times! Should’ve realised it was…. Them. Again.
Sounds like you might possibly have something on your side too. You might want to consider to reset your phone, you never know what nasties have been installed by those with five eyes. Then, always use a reputable VPN such ProtonVPN made by the guys at CERN, or any other VPN you trust.
Thanks Frank.
Fight the power, Off-Graun!
It may also be related to the Manhattan Conspiracy, about which OffGuardian has had quite a few articles. Like the ‘Moron’ one, reiterating that those who still believe the official fairy tale about the controlled demolitions being worthy of that qualifier.
Here is another gem that will make them choke. You can fool some morons for 18 years (+?), but you can’t fool intelligent people even for a short time.
Finally the truth rears its mighty head to scream – Article on Veterans Today (10-02-2019) about the Manhattan Nuclear Demolitions.
I don’t understand what your point is nottheonly1, but this is my point if it in any way answers yours.
However the buildings came down, a form of controlled demolition was used. All the talk of thermite, thermate, nanothermite, nuclear, directed energy weapons and other other means are distraction propaganda. A major type of propaganda used in the 9/11 propaganda strategy, if not the main one, is distraction. The basics of 9/11 are very simple.
There were no plane crashes which by definition means:
— the story of 19 terrorists is BS
— the twin towers did not come down by fire
— the claim that 265 died in plane crashes is false
— there is no evidence that supports the remaining 2,735 people died in the buildings
9/11 was Trauma-based Mind Control Psychological Operation where the only major things that happened for real on the day were:
— Destruction of three buildings at the WTC, damage to others and damage to the West Wing of the Pentagon
— Many drills occurred which were used to aid the official story as an excuse for the failure of air defence and no doubt had other purposes and while a number of drills were declared, the “live” evacuation drills of the buildings were not – I think we can assume a number of measures, including subway drills, were used to minimise the number of people in the buildings at the time of the alleged crashes.
And guess what? The molten metal story looks as if it might be fake. Oh my goodness. First the magic dust, now the molten metal. I wonder what the purpose of the molten metal story is, assuming it is fake.
Is someone paying you to post this moonshine, Petra? Or is it just a favourite delusion of yours that dismisses objective realities with blind determination? Blends of fact with tosh – such as yours here – are worse than the official cospithirry, taken neat, at spreading smoke and confusion. (Ask old man McIlvaine whether or not his son Bobby died in the destruction of the towers; as also all the other bereaved family members who’ve fought all this time to get to the truth. Shame on you for this ‘no deaths’ nonsense!)
The same goes for ‘directed energy weapons’, and also quite probably for the mini-nukes stories: smoke-blowing tosh to confuse the issue as thoroughly as possible. Anyone seeking serious clarity about what really happened in the 11/9 false-flag needs to be aware of this sustained rearguard action of the plotters to prevent the truth getting out. You have to assume that that was always part of the planning, seeing that their necks would always be on the line if the truth ever gets ascendancy – as it now seems to be doing, slowly but steadily. Will the real plotters run out the clock, and die before the tip-over point of public awareness of the true story is reached? Or will some of them actually stand trial? That’s something that they have to be working to prevent, for the rest of their lives.
Hence the mountain of specious tosh and deliberate disinformation which has been larded onto the general truth-seeking discussion about the false-flag. Anyone visiting a high-quality truth-serving website such as Off-G needs to be aware that this sort of obfuscation is always thrown into the discussions by the deliberate smoke-blowers. But trawl widely about on the subject – even at highly-dubious sites such as Veterans Today – and you learn eventually to smell the difference between the sincerely-meant inputs and the smoke.
With you now I don’t know what your point is either – in regard to DEWs anyway. That, of course, is tosh but my point is that it’s not of great significance what exactly brought the buildings down – knowing that it was controlled demolition of one kind or another is sufficient.
Yes, I’m sure if I ask old man McIlvaine (a close anagram of villain as another recogniser of staged death and injury has pointed out) he’ll tell me the sob story about his son, Bobby, and with great indignation that the 9/11 Commission Report is a work of fiction. Oh yes! Of course he will because he’s a disinformation agent, and, as always, they let us know that clearly. See Point 5 https://occamsrazorterrorevents.weebly.com/3000-dead-and-6000-injured-a-lie.html.
While I may seem a loony on OffG I’m certainly not the only person in the world who recognises that 9/11 death and injury were staged. Simon Shack worked it out a WHOLE DECADE AGO http://septemberclues.info/ (not that I agree with everything he says). I was a little slow on the uptake I have to admit cos even though I thought what he said was quite compelling, like you, I believed in old man McIlvaine, the Jersey widows, April Gallop, Richard Grove and a couple of others.
But the death and injury story was starting to crack here and there and then suddenly I “got it” while half-watching a video on William Rodriguez. I got that there is a massive propaganda campaign targeted at truthers to keep us believing in real death and injury.
Hopefully, Rhisiart, one day you’ll get it too.
Gwilym: presuming from that, that you know that Petra is the re-invention of Flaxgirl’s trainee shaving blogspot for kids, & controlled opposition shouting “controlled opposition” (same person obviously & stylistically G’teed), I wondered over strategy in future & DR.DADE perhaps dealing with this poorly informed patient’s delusions . . . ?
Maybe it’s still a little early to call DR.DADE and given the mammoth reduction in blatant trolling (thankfully), Flaxgirl is good for a laugh and a huge Peter Tosh ‘doobie’ could be recommended & would be worth consuming, before reading ‘Smoke & Mirrors from Fantasylalaland Flaxgirl’ / Petra 🙂
Back2life & back2reality, I think you’ll enjoy listening to Kim Dotcom & Bill Binney:
very carefully and in its’ entirety. Kim seems keen to set the records straight, despite,
being on bail ! and, as for Bill, on first learning of Bill Binney less than a couple of months ago, by Flaxgirl’s own admission, she stated that she’d never heard of him or “Parallel Platforms”, accusing him of being “Controlled Opposition” immediately, which if you’ve studied anything about 11/9/2001 & the NSA & ‘ThinThread’ and the missing D.o.D. $$$Trillions$$$ & WTC 7, it is literally IMPOSSIBLE to not know about Binney 😉
Like many seeking the truth (unless you’re shilling real hard for someone) on 9/11 you are sort of near the mark and sort of waaaaaaaay off
Did you watche the embedded videos in the article?
And if you tell me to be way off, then you are also saying that the physicists are way off. I am not a (nuclear) physicists either, but my critical thinking and knowledge of the general facts about nuclear reactions makes this explanation absolutely trustworthy. And compared with the all lies official fairy tale, it is the only explanation that makes sense and method that was indeed doable. People are generally decades behind the actual capabilities of the military/darpa projects/capabilities.
Why can they still be duped into the rejection of what explains the physical laws at play on this day? And in slight alteration of an old notion about how to find out who controls you, I state here:
Tell me which explanation you are ridiculed the most for and I show you what really happened.
And please, do yourself (and anybody else for that matter, too) the favor and watch the embedded videos (3). Find out about the ‘civil nuclear demolition program’ that existed in the mid sixties, will you? Find out what people thought about nuclear detonations ebing useful in controlled demolitions and mining operations/dam constructions.
The most shameful part about all this is the incessant scrubbing of the truth from mankind’s archives all over the globe and the publications of lies on wikipedia and affiliated dictionaries. The deception is wholesale. The Manhatten Conspiracy is so much more than the demolition of a ‘Trade Center’ that was dedicated to plunder and rape the world. It’s much bigger crime against humanity is the destruction of the critical thinking of a large part of mankind.
You can quote me as having said:
Consider the most disturbing explanation and you will be closest to the truth.
Israel did 9/11 not mini nukes that don’t cause radiation
I always wondered how a person with no conscience would react to this FACT. Now I know. Thanks and keep up deluding yourself. It’s your life to throw away.
The trouble with coming late to 9/11 truth (2014) is that so much stuff other people worked out years and years ago gets buried – sometimes it’s actually those who support the official story who point it out, ironically (eg, this supporter of the official story points out the anomalies in William Rodriguez’s timeline https://sites.google.com/site/911stories/rodriguez%27stimelinewayoff%3F).
A number of people worked out that the molten metal story was fake but it keeps getting perpetuated (thanks in large part to good ol’ Architects & Engineers for 9/11 Truth) but despite five years of relatively dedicated research I’ve never seen it said that it was fake. Unfortunately, most prominent truthers are seduced by what controlled opposition is telling us rather than recognising what genuine nobody researchers say. In this forum thread from 2006! people show they recognise that the molten metal story is fake
https://forum.cosmoquest.org/showthread.php?46566-Metal-of-Honor&s=d131b3c9e3e244dd284ece83689de38a(Editor:You are now basically citing troll sites in support of the official narrative. What next? ‘Popular Mechanics’ on how free fall didn’t happen?)
It’s funny. You think you’ve worked out so much fakery and you’ve been so ruthless in not accepting anything at face value in the “9/11 story” but you’re still seduced, constantly.
I may well be wrong about not being concerned about what exactly brought the buildings down. Very, very wrong. I wouldn’t be at all surprised if all the different theories about what exactly brought the buildings down and the fake molten metal story will be used in such a way that in the bogus court case that presumably will take place at some point, the bogus prosecution side will be able to engineer some kind of stalemate verdict using the confusion of theories (including the molten metal fakery) for how the buildings came down. As death and injury were staged and we know that Bob McIlvaine et al are disinformation agents, we know that the Lawyers’ Committee is a sham. No doubt in court there will be some kind of rejection of the case because it will be proven there was no molten metal, no thermite, etc. It also seems the story of the building wreckage being shipped off instantly and illegally is bogus too!
Editor: This is an excellent example of how disinformation works on gullible minds to persuade them to go full circle and end up supporting the official 9/11 narrative in the guise of exposing ‘fakery.’ This person’s journey is on record, from rational skeptic to spiralling claims that more and more of the hard solid evidence for controlled demolition is ‘faked’ in order to conceal some poorly envisioned underlying ‘truth’ that defies the laws of physics and reason. If she isn’t a government-funded troll she is unwittingly providing her services to the guardians of the official conspiracy theory for free.
Of course, if you took the case to court with the planes, using the Bureau of Transportation Statistics data and got an aircraft accident investigator and video expert to show the plane crashes were faked, how the buildings collapsed wouldn’t even come into it!
Much simpler, no?
What you really have to keep in mind is:
The “9/11 Truth movement”, the “loved ones”, the 9/11 Commission, the 9/11 Commission Report, the debunking of the NIST reports, Architects & Engineers for 9/11 Truth, Leroy Hulsey’s study of the collapse of WTC-7, the 9/11 Lawyers’ Committee and the eventual court case were ALL PART OF THE PLAN. As if they wouldn’t be! It’s all about control of the story and when it’s all about control of the story there is absolutely no way you’d introduce a real element such as the killing of 3,000 people. The fastest way to utterly and completely relinquish control of the story and potentially expose yourself to revolutionary beheading would be to do such a crazy thing as that.
So much of 9/11 is pure theatre. So much seeming tension, contradiction and fighting between parties is all completely STAGED. It’s all theatre.
One example is the Norman Mineta/Dick Cheney nonsense about the plane 50 miles out and getting closer. What a chortle! I bet they had a good laugh over that one.
https://extremeprejudiceusa.wordpress.com/2013/08/26/secretary-mineta-confirms-dick-cheney-ordered-stand-down-on-911/
Oh dearie dear. You completely misinterpret what I say. There seems to be no agility in your thought, Editor. Ever since I woke up to 9/11 and then especially since waking up to controlled opposition my mind is ready to turn in an instant while I haven’t seen evidence of your mind turning once on anything. I’d dearly love to know what you feel your knowledge is of 9/11 and the last time you accommodated new information or changed your mind on anything. Is your understanding that there was controlled demolition as said by truthers and that 3,000 people died and 6,000 were injured as told to us in the official story? Is that your understanding? Understanding 9/11 takes changes of thought – you certainly cannot stay fixed in your thoughts on the subject because it’s so full of twists and turns.
I believed in the molten metal from pretty much the time I learnt of it. I was thoroughly convinced. Oh yes, we see John Gross looking most discomfited when accosted by alleged truthers asking about the molten metal and it seems so eminently plausible and supported by various sources, doesn’t it? On my webpage on the collapse of WTC-7, Point 7 of my 10-point exercise is on the molten metal. I put an abbreviated version of it below.
https://occamsrazorterrorevents.weebly.com/collapse-of-wtc-7.html
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7. NIST lied about evidence of molten metal – NIST also excluded investigation of controlled demolition on the basis that there was no evidence of molten metal. However, Mark Loizeaux, president of Controlled Demolition, Inc. (CDI) of Phoenix, Maryland, who wrote the clean-up plan for the WTC, confirmed the presence of molten metal at the site.
“Yes,” Loizeaux said, “hot spots of molten steel in the basements.” These incredibly hot areas were found “at the bottoms of the elevator shafts of the main towers, down seven [basement] levels,” Loizeaux said.
The molten steel was found “three, four, and five weeks later, when the rubble was being removed,” he said. Loizeaux also confirmed that molten iron had been found in the rubble of WTC 7, the tower owned by Larry Silverstein which was neither hit by an airplane nor severely damaged, but which collapsed mysteriously in the late afternoon of 9/11.
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But, you see, unlike you, Editor, I’m capable of seeing where my thinking is mistaken and am very happy to change it. As soon as I saw the video I link to above showing firefighters allegedly in a molten metal situation but obviously acting out nothing much at all, my thought on the molten metal changed in an instant. An instant. 9/11 controlled opposition means TRUTH MIXED WITH LIES. Do you get that, Editor? Truth mixed with lies. So we need to take the attitude that anything that might seem so eminently plausible and supported by various sources may well be a lie – and when one is pointed out as such then I change my mind. Do you really think that Mark Loizeaux is a reliable witness? You know that Controlled Demolition, Inc. had the contract for the cleanup job? – At least, that’s what they’ve told us but it sounds plausible enough, no? And, who knows, perhaps they had the contract for the demolition, too.
Yes, I quote him on my site but now I know I was wrong to trust his words.
Molten metal is not hard solid evidence for controlled demolition, Editor. Now I realise that molten metal is not in the least a normal result of controlled demolition and I defy you to find examples outside 9/11 where molten metal is found in the rubble. I also defy you to find compelling visual examples of molten metal at Ground Zero.
Editor, can you describe what these people are doing in this video? https://youtu.be/txk6tCZ1p6s
So, you see, what I can see coming is that the “molten metal” fabrication may be used in court to weaken the bogus prosecution case – it’s pure speculation, of course, but we have to wonder why this bogus phenomenon has been introduced into the story.
You display no understanding of the wall-to-wall controlled opposition implemented in the phenomenon that is 9/11 and no understanding of how the power elite conduct their psyops.
Just noticed this editorial comment now. LOL. The funny thing is I couldn’t work out what CTer referred to and just realise now on looking again that it refers to conspiracy theorist. So these people support the official story. But as I say, those who support the official story can still point out the truth. I am not “citing” them. I am simply linking to their comments and I think their comments are sound. People who support the official story can be very good at pointing out false things said by the controlled opposition who more easily seduce truthers. Do not dismiss those who support the official story just because they support it. Judge by what they say, Editor – sometimes it’s more accurate than what truthers say.
So coming back to your editorialisation of my comment, Editor, after a few exchanges:
You are unable to defend the hypothesis that molten metal was present in the rubble at the WTC, evidenced by the fact that you cannot answer these questions:
1. Is molten metal in the rubble a recognised characteristic of controlled demolition?
2. Where is any visual evidence of molten metal at the WTC?
You will see on this video that I posted on my website thinking (mistakenly) it showed evidence of molten metal that one of the comments appearing in the top 10 is:
TheSaint135 – Molten steel? What molten steel?
Although I don’t really like it being suggested that I’m gullible (certainly have been though and will continue to be – but this is hardly surprising when you have masters of dupery fooling you) and don’t like it being said about me, “If she isn’t a government-funded troll she is unwittingly providing her services to the guardians of the official conspiracy theory for free,” I’m obliged to thank you because your insults prompt me to do that little bit more research (I’m a little lazy even if sadly obsessed) to get the golden nugget!
The Philip Ruvulo video is such a nugget – and we do have to give credit to the perps because they always give the game away. They really do. You still haven’t taken that analytic tool on board yet, have you, Editor? I cannot recommend it more highly. It’s free and it makes it so much easier to analyse their hoaxery.
The Philip Ruvulo video contains three snippets, each showing zero relation to each other content-wise nor showing any obvious connection to molten metal in the WTC rubble. The tiny snippets at the beginning and end make absolutely no sense at all in terms of molten metal in the rubble so this is them giving it away while although the main snippet is about molten metal there is no obvious connection to the WTC rubble. https://youtu.be/nsw2j-3MCMg
I have to say that I don’t think Philip and his colleagues are acting here so I think they’re simply commenting on something other than molten metal at the WTC, possibly even talking about a film they’d seen – whatever, though, it’s hard to see how “channel rails” fit in the WTC rubble … and, of course, there is no visual evidence of it.
This is reminiscent of the Collateral Murder video. It seems the audio track is mostly genuine snippets of pilots and ground staff speaking stitched together and laid over footage that has no connection. And here again, Editor, a very good analysis of the anomalies in that video is done by someone who thinks the video is real – he’s slightly hamstrung by that mistaken thought but still does a great job! https://5thstate.wordpress.com/2010/04/
It seems you believe the story about a still from the video of firefighters working by flashlight was mistakenly used to promote the molten metal theory. Perhaps you’re being a little gullible yourself here, Editor, because it doesn’t look like the firefighters are doing any identifiable work and you haven’t responded suggesting work they might be doing. I cannot say this story sounds convincing to me.
That’s not and has never been claimed to be a video of molten metal. It’s firefighters working in the rubble with a light source.
Dr. Steven Jones briefly used a still from this vid under the mistaken impression it was showing molten metal – but it wascorrected when the mistake was pointed out.
That video is strawman debunking to entrap the gullible.
The eye witness testimony of molten metal in the rubble is considerable. We have an article devoted to the subject.
Yes, the video wasn’t claimed to be of molten metal. That would be an absurdity but, as you point out, on further research I learnt that the still from the video was said to be used by mistake by Dr Steven Jones.
But you see I have a little problem with “firefighters working in the rubble with a light source” – that’s what made me realise the lie, that fakery of some kind seemed to be occurring. I cannot see any nature of “work” being done here. Perhaps you can suggest a possible type of work being done?
If we consider that 9/11 was full of falsities uttered here there and everywhere, “eye-witness” testimony is not compelling evidence, is it? If there really were molten metal in the rubble I’d expect digital evidence, wouldn’t you? So I ask you:
— Do you know of another instance of controlled demolition where molten metal is found in the rubble?
— Can you point to any clear visual evidence of molten metal at Ground Zero?
Here we have Philip Ruvulo and other firefighters speaking of molten metal, lava and “channel rails”. At the end of the clip, someone says “Obviously there was no machinery, it was all gone.” Why “channel rails” and “machinery” in relation to the WTC controlled demolition rubble? Their testimony seems 100% genuine, doesn’t it? This could easily be testimony from another event, couldn’t it, because we see no digital evidence of what they describe.
First, I was gullible in believing that 9/11 was the work of 19 terrorists armed with boxcutters. Then I woke up a little but still gullibly believed that 3,000 people were killed and 6,000 were injured … and still gullibly believed in molten metal. Then I woke up to the controlled opposition and realised that the 3,000 dead/6,000 injured claim was a lie … but I didn’t go back to question the molten metal as I also haven’t for a number of other things because it didn’t occur to me. However, when I came across this video it made total sense.
Please refrain from editorialising my comments and just make your own comment on my comment. Please desist from using the word “troll” in relation to me. I am not a troll or troll-like person – the suggestion is absurd.
And please, Editor, let me know when you wake up from any current thoughts you may have on 9/11. I’m most curious to hear when your mind makes a jump.
A possible theory is that Philip Ruvolo and workmates may well be speaking about a film that they were shown and the purpose of screening the film to them was to generate words from them about molten metal for inclusion in the “molten metal” chapter of the “9/11 story”. The guy at the end who mentions machinery could be absolutely anyone talking about anything – similarly for guy at the beginning.
This is why I love Off-Guardian: wacky, wackier, wackiest. The first one is “controlled demolition” of many WTC buildings in Manhattan. Petra is from the last category.
I have no idea what your point is, Antonym. There is no doubt whatsoever about controlled demolition. What I doubt – in fact, what I refute (only now after 4 or 5 years of believing otherwise) – is molten metal in the rubble. It was refuted at least as far back as 2006 ago by those who support the official story and in 2009 by a truther (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=txk6tCZ1p6s&feature=youtu.be).
I refute molten metal for the following reasons.
— There is no evidence, as far as I know, saying that it is a characteristic result of controlled demolition.
— There is no clear visual evidence of it at the WTC.
— At least one eyewitness testimony (see comment above) about molten metal provided to us does not clearly relate to the rubble at the WTC. Words in the testimony suggest that it could relate to some other event. In any case, eyewitness testimony alone is not necessarily reliable as we need to consider its source, eg, Mark Loizeaux of the demolition company Controlled Demolition, Inc. who, we are told, had the contract to remove the wreckage (and may, for all we know, have had the contract to demolish the buildings).
— There is video from which a still was taken that was briefly and allegedly mistakenly used to promote the molten metal theory, however, the video does not clearly indicate firefighters going about their work but rather suggests some sort of acting taking place.
Then there’s the fact that we must always keep in the back of our mind that controlled opposition is a huge part of the 9/11 phenomenon, that is, we are told a mixture of truth and lies and that any hint of anomaly must be pursued.
When I look at Point 5 on my webpage on the collapse of WTC-7 I notice that all the characteristics – bar molten metal – come from Richard Gage’s tutorial on the collapse of WTC-7. I could go back and check his tutorial to see if he himself mentions molten metal but I’m not going to do that. My assumption is that he doesn’t because otherwise I see no reason that I simply wouldn’t have used that part of his tutorial as a reference. Assuming he doesn’t, that’s an interesting point, isn’t it? The expert architect himself does not mention molten metal.
https://occamsrazorterrorevents.weebly.com/collapse-of-wtc-7.html
What I really fail to understand is why, when what I say only seems like perfectly good common sense to me, there is so much hostile reaction to it. I do not think that what I say is so left-field. I believed in the molten metal as much as the next truther, OK? I was all for it, Antonym, but when something alerted me to the possibility that it was a made-up lie my mind took it on with alacrity as I know that they have us fooled every which way and it suddenly seemed obvious that molten metal in the rubble for weeks and weeks lacked plausibility.
Two simple questions:
a) What was the motive for this controlled demolition of the WTC and a part of the Pentagon?
b) The US IT community didn’t manage to keep many US governmental whistle blowers quiet, but for your controlled demolition they did a fabulous job: not plausible. https://www.whistleblower.org/timeline-us-whistleblowers/
I don’t know what the motives were beyond the obvious ones – except in the case of WTC-7 where I think at least one of the motives of the collapse was to distract truthers massively with it.
I’m afraid “whistleblower” generally to me is synonymous with “disinformation agent”. If you know of any whistleblowers who say that both the buildings came down by controlled demolition and the plane crashes were faked let me know. Anyone, who is not definitive on controlled demolition and is ambivalent on the plane crashes or who declares there were any planes is either a useful idiot or controlled opposition in my book.
Please spell out what is “obvious” about this motive: my imagination is not that fertile.
“This” motive? I’m referring to the obvious motives of invading Afghanistan and Iraq and the Patriot Act.
The Iraq invasion needed a fake Saddam’s WMD trigger; 9/11 didn’t do the trick.
IF 9/11 was not an inside job the Patriot act can be explained as a quick and dirty band-aid for the total intelligence failure – just on the wrong place and by the same failed services.
Afghanistan was done half-heartedly: under CIA pressure the US army let the the worst guys escape by foot to Pakistan through the Adi Ghar and Tora Bora caves and by plane from Kunduz. The US is still paying that price till today.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kunduz_airlift
‘Excellent’ fixations Flaxgirl for controlled opposition …
I’m afraid Flaxgirl / Petra , that you blew your cover & blogspot to the high hell of controlled opposition, the moment you declared Bill Binney as controlled opposition, in my book … remember when you said words to the effect “Never heard of him or Parallel Platforms” ? !
Just a couple of months ago ? !
Clearly you know nothing of importance or the importance of being earnest in any Court of Law.
Nobody can be so ignorant of events on 11/9/2001, WTC7, missing $$$TRILLIONS$$$ from the D.o.D. and know nothing about Binney & Wiebe, ‘ThinThread & Parallel Platforms’ and what Enron were speculating on, i.e. The Weather, unless they were controlled opposition ! And let’s be honest, Flaxgirl / Petra cannot even differentiate between a False Flag op. & a ‘Psyop’, though I have explained clearly and you choose never to answer me >>> your problem Flaxgirl ! Carry on Wasting your life working for idiots on the wrong side of history in the making . . .
WTC 7 WAS THE TARGET ! & that Pentagon Wing . . .
You idiot firkin’ Flaxgirl ! Frollicking up the wrong tree again:
Change yer’ knickers, they are heavily stained & strained … 😉
mebbe your CENSORSHIP could be at the root of the ‘problem!
oh yeah and just coincidentally u$a and its 2 poodles (GB&PENAL OZ) announce the demand to encryption!!!
bahahahahahhahahahahahahhahahahahhahahaha!
Like him, loathe him Churchill had a quote for most situations. The Eliot Higgins, Oliver Kamm’s and El on the wrong side of history this time around. The enemy within which needs rooting out.
Those who attack sites like this are in effect complicit in covering up state and media crimes – for which they are likely to be held legally accountable. They should think about that and the damage they are causing to the UK by escalating international conflict.
‘Now this is not the end. It is not even the beginning of the end. but it is, perhaps, the end of the beginning’
Off- G – keep up the Dunkirk spirit!
Dunkirk only worked, because the super evil leader Adolph H. ordered the Panzers to stand down and let the Limeys escape to fight another day.
That might be true but you can’t deny the one thing us Brits are good at is a military evacuation. Gallipoli, Dunkirk, White Helmets from Syria.
Anyway I think that Churchill quote came after El Alamein. The days when arguably our military had something to be proud of.
Nowadays our military are used by the state and media which put them and all of us at risk by their lies and escalations. The 77th brigade are in effect a bunch of traitors as they work against the interests of British people. The battle now is to defeat them.
This is accompanied by formerly censorship-free sites like VK suddenly deleting dissenting voices with as specious excuses as Twitter. Is there a connection?
If our governments were truly interested in protecting our freedoms and political life from interference, like they declare incessantly, stopping DdoS attacks against independent media like OffG by unknown actors should be highest on their list of priorities (sarcasm).
The message I’ve been getting – which oddly enough has coincided with serious difficulties accessing other sites and downloading email – is “DdOS checking by Cloudflare” – and suggestion to wait 5 seconds for it to connect. So far it has done so.
This incidentally seems to coincide also with a proliferation of agents of influence and disinformation, like a metastasizing cancer, in the msm, at least here in OZ.
Surely this means OffG is doing the right thing and attracting attention, but those who want to stop us don’t play by the rules. Otherwise Julian Assange would be a free man, and Yulia Skripal would be telling her story to the Daily Mail.
The CIA did invent the internet after all… with help from Mossad and MI6 no doubt.
Dr. Berners Lee invented the Internet on contract by the Pentagon. MI6 is a Five Eye.
Mossad is a one eye. And Quantum Mechanics is a better eye.
MOU
But you forgot the Two I’s:
https://ahtribune.com/world/europe/uk/integrity-initiative/2782-two-eyes-phase-ii.html
Who I think might be the problem….
Extremely interesting link. Nice article too, David. Intelligence is fun stuff and I keep abreast of it as much as possible. You are a good lead for Oz & UK stuff. Thanks for the link and keep me posted always on Intel stuff as I’m likely on the same side as you too.
Cheers, MOU
Seems better now. No warming about the browser checking the site for 5 seconds. It is sick how this site would get attacked, just for being a forum to allow mainstream media stories to be questioned (a good example is the ridiculous Skirpal poisoning story, which was completely ignored by mainstream media when it ran out of steam – such a ridiculous and irrational narrative, unbelievable that MSM let it pass without serious scrutiny!).
Warning about a 5 second security check of browser is back! Haven’t seen that anywhere, not even on Infowars! Why pick on OffGuardian?
Infowhores is pure Zionist propaganda! It’s never Israel in jewnes mind it’s Iran or the chi coms (Chinese communists for the uninitiated
I misunderstood the 5 second browser check warning, as Admin clarified what it meant (nothing nefarious, thankfully).
Obviously you’re doing something right…..
Dissent.
It gives you a warm feeling
inside.
One can’t help but wonder just how “routine” such government attacks is various forms are these days at progressive sites like this. I am now finding I can’t seem to post a comment at ConsortiumNews a site I’ve long followed and commented at. Is it the site suddenly censoring respectful pertinent comments, or is it other entities doing so without the site even being aware of what is happening? Difficult to know.
Lefties are being kettled by Psyops.
MOU
Funny you should mention that, Gary. I had one of my (intended) comments censored over at Consortium a few days ago. I was trying to criticize Jonathan Cook’s awful article on Greta Thunberg … and my comment somehow never made it onto the site!
Seamus – very interesting that not only your comments, but also my two comments also critiquing “Cook’s awful article on Greta” were also what was censored. Very sad in my opinion when respectful comments written to add to the conversation are simply disappeared with no explanation. I’d like Consortium to comment on this issue, as this hasn’t been their policy in the past, and I wouldn’t automatically assume they are the culprits, as I certainly wouldn’t put it past the government’s troll boy army to be hard at work “managing” our discussions for us.
“Let the dogs bark, Sancho. It’s a sign that we’re moving forward”
El Quijote
Good luck
For about a week now after I click on my OffGuardian preset button I get a security check and I have to click a box to show I am a human and then OG appears.
Langley USA likely thinks OFF-G is not spreading FOX News enough. They will get bored & move along to their next victim website or blog. Only the USA would be behind this to frustrate free speech on Internet.
Always remember they need you in the game otherwise there is no game at all.
MOU
So it couldn’t be the c*nts at MI5, MI6, or the BBC? You give americans too much credit for all the disaster in the world. Why it could be the poodle boys in Paris. No insult to the poodles is meant.
Langley Gomer Piles are out en masse for the USA Government push on for the election showdown of the century. The Langley Gomer Piles always flex their cyber strength when
running Information Operations on dissident websites. I was on Zero Hedge way back where they did similar stuff.
The Langley Gomer Piles leave a fingerprint when they act up for no good reason such as the recent hit on OFF-G. The European Union spooks n’ IOs are likely too busy & overworked to being playing games like the Langley Gomer Piles do.
If the Langley Gomer Piles were a Punk Rock band they would have a simple beat that would mark them out as punks.
MOU
I am afraid this is just the beginning. There is an article on The Saker about the unintelligence agencies having outsourced their workload to corporate contractors. You can read about it here:
The Terrorists Among US – The Coup Against the Presidency
Much more than a description of present affairs, the article provides the BTL sentiment that without taking appropriate steps to stop this development, we are clearly done for. It goes without further explanation that the troubles at OffGuardian are related to this takeover by the unintelligence agencies. Alone to ponder about the disturbing fact that there are now in excess of four million people contracted by these regime agencies, causes permanent headshaking.
And since every letter that is typed and published is recorded, it will be next to impossible to mobilize the masses to demand an immediate end to this criminal undertaking. Which makes it somewhat clear that a number of protest movements are actually fake – as they are allowed to take place. If a protest movement had concrete demands and would pose the possibility of large scale disruption of criminal business as usual, the goons would swarm out and act out what French illegal laws enforcement has shown to be the response to large turnouts of citizens that demand redress.
If there could only be dedicated young IT specialists the way Hollywood movies portray them to be and help you out in finding the source for the DDOS’s with proof of origin. But the article at The Saker does point into the plausible direction. You have scratched at a number of fake narratives and the criminals in question don’t like that in the least.
If it is a comfort at all, The Guardian, the NYT, Washington Post et al never get DDOS’ed. At least they don’t report of such. Maybe they will tomorrow? To deflect from their real associations with the criminals in question?
The DDOS’s are a hello to OFF-G from the Gomer Piles at Langley USA. They are attempting to classically condition OFF-G to only publish USA-centric pro-script that the CIA & CENTCOM would appreciate.
The Gomer Piles at Langley are practicing for WW3 Martial Law shutdown of dissident voices and lefties.
MOU
You mean ‘Loonley’?
Yup, Loonley.
They did the same thing to ZH back in the 2016 election for likely the same reasons.
MOU
https://www.se.com/uk/en/
A regime sub-contractor. Similar employer as FCO, great at exploiting individual staff by blackmail re child abuse cover-ups. The usual empire MO.
Now that is flattery. Must mean you are getting at the truths they are most threatened by.
Somebody got their feelings hurt and it pushed them to cyber crime. Bless their heart.
The bastards at it again. Their day is coming.