DISCUSS: Trump pulling US forces out of Syria?
Kit Knightly
Donald Trump, the elected President of the United States of America, is going to keep a campaign promise. Maybe.
Three years after winning office, largely on his “no more pointless wars” platform, Trump is going to pull (the totally illegal occupying) US forces out of Syria. He’s finally keeping his word. Maybe.
….almost 3 years, but it is time for us to get out of these ridiculous Endless Wars, many of them tribal, and bring our soldiers home. WE WILL FIGHT WHERE IT IS TO OUR BENEFIT, AND ONLY FIGHT TO WIN. Turkey, Europe, Syria, Iran, Iraq, Russia and the Kurds will now have to…..
— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) October 7, 2019
It is, frankly, a dark sign of the dystopian times in which we live that this is somehow considered a shock.
Of course, it’s probably not actually going to happen.
This is not the first time Trump has announced: “we’re pulling out of Syria”.
Last December, just before Christmas, Trump announced the US military was leaving Syria, nothing much ever came of it. Except for a fresh surge of “liberal” media pundits claiming this was evidence Donald was a Putin puppet.
That was his second attempt.
The first time, in April 2018, there was a “chemical weapons attack” within a week. America was “forced”, not only to stay, but to escalate the conflict by striking at Assad’s airfields.
Look out for another Syrian “war crime” to pull Trump back in before Halloween (maybe on Halloween, the US Deep State love theatricality).
Whether the US stay or go, the situation on the ground is unlikely to change. While the US can “officially” pull out of Syria, it has many other avenues open to continue its (pointless and bloody) campaign.
First, there’s Turkey. Already active in Northern Syria, and a member of NATO. The US Deep State can easily (attempt to) strike a deal with Erdogan where he carries on America’s fine legacy in the Middle East. If they have to hang the Kurds out to dry to do this, well that’s life.
However, Turkey are not necessarily to be trusted. They have their own agenda, and Erdogan has never forgiven the US for the attempted military coup in 2016 (which is pretty understandable when you think about it).
The Kremlin has made many overtures to Turkey, most recently with the sale of the S400 air defence system. Erdogan is obviously aware of his leverage, and will doubtless be playing both sides (although given how that ended for Yanukovych, he’d best be careful).
No, Turkey isn’t reliable enough, which just leaves the second option – Stay.
Not “stay” as in be US army personnel fighting for US interests under a US flag. That kind of direct, overt action makes up only a fraction of the USA’s military interventions since WWII.
No, there are other ways of staying.
They can stay as “advisors” to the Kurds, or Israel in the Golan, or Turkey. “Advisors” are great because they’re vague enough to be almost meaningless…but nevertheless, confirms there ARE US citizens on the ground. This means Iran/Syria/Russia have to be VERY careful. One dead American and all hell could break loose.
Alternatively, they can stay as “mercenaries”. Blackwatch or Dark Water or whatever cheesy name some PR focus group thought sounded cool. They’ll be “sub-contracted” to Israeli or Turkish “private security firms” or “rebel militias”. That’s a trick as old as the hills. It maintains plausible deniability.
Failing that, they’ll just bring ISIS back into the picture.
When the media or ex-generals or politicians say “The US pulling out could lead to a resurgence of ISIS” they’re not lying. They’re telling an absolute truth, but they’re talking about diverting funding and recruitment drives, nothing more.
It’s not a warning, it’s a threat.
ISIS, the leaderless, rudderless bad guys who rove the desert chanting “death to America” and yet somehow only ever end up killing Syrian soldiers. (Unless they hit the IDF by accident, in which case they apologise).
They carry on the fine tradition of “Islamic extremists” who suddenly turn up whenever America needs a proxy war.
One way or another, the Powers that Be are not done with Assad or Syria. Not for any strategic value anymore. At this point it’s just psychopathic bloody-mindedness. (Assad was meant to have been Gaddafi-ed by now).
With the US embedded so deeply in Syria, and the general powerlessness of the POTUS in terms of foreign policy, this move makes far more sense as a domestic stunt than anything else.
The Ukraine/Biden/impeachment mess is a lifeless piece of political theatre, unlikely to go anywhere, but it’s also a sticky talking point for Trump who needs a win to up his numbers.
Domestically, with 2020 looming, this is a pretty canny move.
First, it’s a fairly transparent effort to win back a lot of his anti-war libertarian voters who have probably become disillusioned with Trump in his three years of barely-altered status quo. Having promised to “drain the swamp” Trump has shown he’s more than happy to just live in it, with all the other snakes.
He needs to win back his “underdog rebel” tag, and this is a step that could do that.
It paints the line-up of democratic candidates into a corner – they can’t criticise the move without endorsing illegal interventions and handing Trump the anti-war position. But if they endorse it, they’ve likewise handed Trump the anti-war position. (Incidentally, prepare for Tulsi Gabbard to praise this move, only to be attacked as “soft on Trump” by her fellow democrats).
Joe Biden has already released a statement which pretty much sets-out what the establishment line will be on this, here.
Note there’s no question of aggression or war. No discussion of obeying international law or respecting Syria’s sovereignty. These are words American politicians barely understand. No, the key phrase is here is “abandoning our allies”.
It’s a sentiment echoed by peerless war-hawk Lindsey Graham in his tweets on the matter:
* Ensures ISIS comeback.
* Forces Kurds to align with Assad and Iran.
* Destroys Turkey’s relationship with U.S. Congress.
* Will be a stain on America’s honor for abandoning the Kurds.— Lindsey Graham (@LindseyGrahamSC) October 7, 2019
The media (and collected punditry) will likely play the “poor little Kurds” card a lot in the next few days.
How much, and how hard, will determine how much of a genuine threat to the establishment agenda this “withdrawal” really is.
Questions arise:
- Will this change anything in Syria?
- Will there be another chemical attack (or similar) which “forces” the US to remain after all?
- Will there be a resurgence of ISIS?
- Will Turkey step into the void?
- How will Biden/Warren et al react?
- Will Trump’s anti-war base be suckered a second time?
As always, discuss below.
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If Trump wants to pull out, and feels it is best for the USA to do so, then he should pull out. If Congress wants him there, then they should give him a Declaration of War.
Mailman here. Syrian update by SyrPer analyst Canthama: #302711 As the Turkish regime continue to invade Syria pushing US stooge SDF away from the border, developments show signs that this event was pre-planned backstage by some countries: 1) Russia-Iran-Turkey met few weeks back to talk about Idlib. 2) Last Monday US declares leaving the border and Turkey announce invasion. 3) Turkish regime and its National-Syrian-Army stooges (2/3 are hard core ISIS) start air & ground attacks into Syria. 4) US/Israel stooge SDF did not demand the civilians to leave the area until the first bombs dropped, major chaos and 1st civilian casualties. 5) After a day of battle, SDF is massively retreating from the largest cities. 6) Many dozen US forces seen leaving Syria to Iraq thru Semalka crossing. 7) US declared NFZ in NE corner of Syria to protect its soldiers during the massive retreat that is expected in… Read more »
Composite news / review on NE Border situation. Among the contributors I recognise Syrian Girl, Sarah Abed and Britain’s very own Vanessa Beeley.
https://www.syrianperspective.com/2019/09/mileikowski-netanyahu-desperate-for-any-diversion.html#comments
Oh for an Edit Button!
https://www.patreon.com/posts/syria-turkey-and-30648590?utm_medium=post_notification_email&utm_source=post_link&utm_campaign=patron_engagement
Well done, Trump. A President with the guts to stand up to the US military and the dark forces backing the ‘Kurds’.
Yanukovych wasn’t covert.He wanted to have agreements both West & East,but the neocon U.S. foreign policy wouldn’t have it any way except their way,and demanded that Yanukovych pick a side!He did,& they didn’t like it!State Department shifted-up,and the putsch in Kiev (2014) went ahead as prepared.G. Pratt,V. Nuland,a friendly Dutch broadcasting crew,being already in place.
I just hope Trump is serious this time. As Kit noted, he’s promised to pull out of Syria before, only to renege once the deep state gets a hold of him. I wonder: is that what this sudden emergence of ‘Ukrainegate’ is really all about? Is it just an attempt to punish Trump for threatening a Syrian pull-out? Inquiring minds want to know …
from Marwa Osman @Marwa__Osman
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Syrian President Bashar Assad warned the #SDF many times
“The US will not protect you
The US will not safeguard you in their hearts or their laps,
The US will put you in their pockets so as to become a bartering tool along with their dollars
If you will not prepare yourselves to defend your country then you will become slaves for the Ottomans,
No one will protect you except your country,
No one will defend you except the Syrian Arab Army.”
Of course its all over bar the clearing of the battlefields. Of course there will be no further attacks on Syria by the US (unless on a piece of waste ground like before) – the defence would be efficient and any actual damage or death would be retaliated swiftly. Of course Fukus is in full retreat having been given their ultimatum months ago. Of course the proxy army will be abandoned – i bet many are uighars, who will be re-educated back in their homelands. Of course peace and prosperity encompassing the EU and the EAEU will prevail and all the Natzo forces will head home like so many failed crusaders – grateful for the mercy of their would be victims. And no there will be no first use of WMD out of spite. Trump like Gandhi may never get a Nobel Peace Prize – but his reputation will last… Read more »
Did the Terror War on the Syrian Economy Succeed? Uncle $cam’s weak point: too much money, too much worship of money, too much financial blackmail, too much belief in Mammon, too little belief in humanity. “Syrians are proud people and have managed to build up their economy despite hardship, challenges, sanctions, and threats from all around, to reach self-sufficiency in almost all basics: food, medicine, housing, power, clothing, education, among others. These were provided for free or at incredibly low costs [by Syria’s Socialist govt], especially when comparing to neighboring countries. Lebanon, for instance, was importing Syrian electricity and produce, Jordan was importing electricity, receiving free drinking water after Israel dumped its sewers into the Jordan River, and importing massive quantities of bread and produce from Syria. The cost of living in either these two countries was 5 times more of that than in Syria.” https://www.syrianews.cc/did-syrian-economy-survive-us-led-war-of-terror/ Wartime Syria under Socialist… Read more »
You won’t be reading about that in the Guardian!
Even Private Eye is anti Assad.
That nauseating little turd Heslop spends his time being oh-so-daring by attacking anti establishment figures like Galloway. It isn’t a shadow of what it was under Cook. Just more Faux Left controlled opposition, like Democracy Now/ Counterpunch/ Guardian.
[Britain’s nutritional health under Socialist-Coalition] was a terrific bit of historiography,I’d never heard! Thanks for this.
Reader’s Digest Bumper Book of British History (or something like that). A postwar souvenir, I came across it recently in a house near Hendon.
Might the Syrian Air Force (perhaps with ‘help’) bomb the invading Turkish military, with locations and movements supplied by the Kurds on the ground?
Turkey has changed sides and will be out of the racist natzo empire.
Syria does not have a Rothschild owned Central Bank Why do the Rothschild’s want their Central Bank in every nation and even go so far as to organise a war on the nations which do not submit to their demands. Prof. Werner brilliantly explains how the banking system and financial sector really work. BANK’S DON’T LEND MONEY – EXPLAINED – they are parasites tricking you and your nation out of the wealth you produce as promissed in the securities or promissory notes they are given. They are out to own the world. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EC0G7pY4wRE “…………This author has made the claim again and again that Soviet Marxism has nothing to do with labour, ethics, production or philosophy. It was merely a means to transfer the wealth of labour to the overwhelmingly Jewish members of the Communist Party. Since the party planned all economic production from Moscow, it implies that the party therefore… Read more »
Caltrop many thanks for Link to Prof.Werner’s brilliant explanation in plain colloquial English. I particularly liked 2 points, both of them related to the baleful Witch of Westminster:
1. The disappearance of Small Banks for Small Loans. My Abbey National mortgage disappeared into Santander. Interesting that Germany never gave up its small banks.
2. The debt bluff (bluff as in cliff) with personal debt soaring up a steep, from ground level (zero% of GDP) to 200% of GDP, according to his graph near the end.
Rightly was she named Maggie Snatcher.
I think fundamentally Trump doesn’t believe in American involvement in endless wars to change unfavorable governments. As a practical, basically non-ideological, person, he sees that they are counter-productive, though, on the plus side, they do give America a chance to exercise its military might. However, the fact American might never seems to prevail in ending these conflicts sort of contradicts the idea that American military might even makes any sense. How is it possible that the Taliban cannot be defeated even after 18 years of effort by, in Trump’s words, ‘the most powerful military, by far, in the world!’. It is a serious juggling act to keep everyone happy, something even the best juggler in the world couldn’t do, much less an oafish sort of character like Trump. But, we can all be thankful that Hillary didn’t win, seeing her psychopathy in her gleeful statement about Gaddafi’s horrible murder, ‘We… Read more »
The Jewish Declaration of War on Germany . The Economic Boycott of 1933 . Few people know the facts about the singular event that helped spark what ultimately became known as World War II – the international Jewish declaration of war on Germany shortly after Adolf Hitler came to power and well before any official German government sanctions or reprisals against Jews were carried out. The March 24, 1933 issue of The Daily Express of London (shown above) described how Jewish leaders, in combination with powerful international Jewish financial interests, had launched a boycott of Germany for the express purpose of crippling her already precarious economy in the hope of bringing down the new Hitler regime. It was only then that Germany struck back in response. Thus, if truth be told, it was the worldwide Jewish leadership – not the Third Reich – that effectively fired the first shot in… Read more »
Caltrop, I read that headline from the Daily Express of that period but do not see how it squares with what I read of Rothschild’s (JPMorgan) previous loan negotiations with Hitler, nor the Jewish head of BoE transferring Czech gold to Hitler in 1938, nor Hitler having a Jewish banker, nor the BIS doing business with Nazi Germany across the Swiss border during WW2. Nor the huge financial and industrial transfers from the Anglo Zio Capitalist world to build up the war machine of Nazi Germany.
“By their fruits shall ye know them” — New Testament
Hitler and the Banksters: The Abolition of Interest-Servitude . By Dr. Ingrid R. Zundel on September 13, 2011 . This article was written for mature and thoughtful people who want to understand today in light of yesterday. It was not written for baboons who start to howl the moment they hear “Hitler” – the way the monkeys of my youth used to howl in front of my window in South America when they heard a thunderclap. . Its author is a relatively young South African banker by the name of Stephen Goodson. I have his permission to post it. . Here goes: . [START]………………….. . “……………………………..Shortly thereafter Hitler joined this party and received a provisional certificate of membership numbered seven. His first act on assuming control of the party was to rename it the Nationalsozialistiche Deutsche Arbeiterpartei (National Socialist German Workers Party). . Feder, who was the principal drafter of… Read more »
Caltrop, I thank you and my fellow South African, Stephen Goodson, for this interesting information. So it was Hitler himself who renamed his party as Socialist; and Feder who put forward some excellent Socialist principles, with which I fully agree. Pity that Hitler’s innate love of treachery induced him to dismiss Feder, and allow himself to be used by Anglo-French Capitalists as their “Bulwark against Communism”, and turn the German Army into a Capitalist battering ram for the takeover of East Europe and the invasion of Communist Russia. If Hitler had stuck to those Socialist principles which he “printed in Leaded Type” (above), and if he had sincerely joined Soviet Russia in the struggle against Capitalism, Hitler would have avoided the death of 4 Million Germans (including his own shameful end) and the world might have been a better place today. “Who would the sword of Justice wear Should be… Read more »
http://www.renegadetribune.com/exposing-stalins-plan-to-conquer-europe/
https://russia-insider.com/en/christianity/russian-church-exile-strongly-and-rightly-supported-hitlers-invasion-russia-amazing
Did Germany attack France and England? . By GPD on June 8, 2016 . The misinterpretation of not only Russian, but also world history by Russian liberals has broken all boundaries of reasonable. Not that long ago, a frequent guest at Echo of Moscow radio station, Konstantin Remchukov, posted a tweet about the lies of Joseph Stalin and the Pravda newspaper. . “Stalin to Pravda editors, 11.30.1939: “It was not Germany that attacked France and England, but it was France and England that attacked Germany,” Remchukov tweeted. . In his tweet, Mr. Remchukov puts emphasis on the extent of lies of both the Pravda newspaper and Joseph Stalin. It appears, though, that the question of lies in this case is nothing but a question of faith. Some believe in God, others believe in the transmigration of souls, and someone else – in liberal values. . In order to understand this,… Read more »
Irving on Churchill Dismantling Churchillian Mythology “…..Hitler is still hoping that this madman in England will see reason or that he will be outvoted by his cabinet colleagues. So he’s not doing Churchill the favor of bombing any English towns. Churchill is frantic because he thinks he’s being outsmarted by Hitler. On July the 20th he sends for Sir Charles Portal, the Chief of Bomber Command, and he says to Sir Charles Portal, as we know from records from Command to the Air Ministry, “When is the earliest that you could launch a vicious air attack on Berlin?” Sir Charles Portal replies to Winston, “I’m afraid we can’t do it now, not until September because the nights aren’t long enough to fly from England to Berlin and back in the hours of darkness. September, perhaps, and in September we will have the first hundred of the new Sterling bombers …”… Read more »
ENGLAND INITIATED TERROR BOMBING J.M Spaight, CB, CBE, Principal Secretary to the Air Ministry (RAF) conceded that “Hitler only undertook the bombing of British civilian targets reluctantly three months after the RAF had commenced bombing German civilian targets. Hitler would have been willing at any time to stop the slaughter. Hitler was genuinely anxious to reach with Britain an agreement confining the action of aircraft to battle zones.” (6) The first breach of international law occurred very early on in England’s war against the German nation. As the noted jurist, F.J.P Veale surmised. “This raid on the night of May 11th 1940, although in itself trivial, was an epoch-marking event since it was the first deliberate breach of the fundamental rule of civilized warfare that hostilities must only be waged against the enemy’s combatant forces, Their flight marked the end of an epoch which had lasted for two and one-half… Read more »
Caltrop, thank you for all that interesting information, so rarely seen in Anglo-French circles. Especially the quote from David Irving, for whose knowledge of WW2 German-related sources I have great respect. I regard the unjust imprisonment of Irving for his research on the Nazi concentration camps a blot on European civilization. But this does not change the fact that Hitler abandoned National Socialism for National Racism, thereby making Nazi a dirty word, turning the German Army into a crazy Capitalist tool for the invasion of Soviet Russia, and thus leading himself and millions of Germans to disgrace, destruction and death.
And much as I admire Irving the meticulous sifter of historical documents, the man himself is a casual British racist of the type that was only too common before the war. Which is no reason to lock the man up for publishing non-Kosher results from scholarly research.
Too bad Churchill brought the Americans into WWII: the EU would be either NAZI or Soviet run -so much better than the present .
But the biggest boon for Irving & co: Israel would have never came into being. It would have been Islamic state no. xx. Jews would have been 100% eradicated from East + Western Europe and the ME.
No, they’d be sunning themselves and picking coconuts in sunny Madagascar.
Poland had a population of 35 million in 1939.
About 21 million Poles.
3 million Polish Jews who had a lot of discrimination.
1 million Germans.
10 million White Russians and Ukrainians in the eastern part of the country, seized from Russia in 1920. There were very few Poles there.
This is the territory re occupied by Stalin in 1939.
The Poles were prone to wild statements about invading Germany and seizing Berlin etc.
How Hitler defied the bankers Article from: http ://www. wakeupfromyourslumber. com/node/6720 Many people take joy in saying Wall Street and Jewish bankers “financed Hitler.” There is plenty of documented evidence that Wall Street and Jewish bankers did indeed help finance Hitler at first, partly because it allowed the bankers to get rich (as I will describe below) and partly in order to control Stalin. However, when Germany broke free from the bankers, the bankers declared a world war against Germany. When we look at all the facts, the charge that “Jews financed Hitler” becomes irrelevant. Los Angeles Attorney Ellen Brown discusses this topic in her book Web Of Debt. . . When Hitler came to power, Germany was hopelessly broke. The Treaty of Versailles had imposed crushing reparations on the German people, demanding that Germans repay every nation’s costs of the war. These costs totaled three times the value of… Read more »
Wasn’t the discussion about Trump pulling forces out of northern Syria…. Does Caltrop the Hitler sympathiser ever think about anything else but his/her anti-semiti rants?
Yes, I understand that it is off topic, but it is interesting to think about WWII from a different perspective. Actually, it seems to me (especially from watching the information videos by James Corbett about WWI) that WWII was very well just an extension of WWI, something Hitler probably didn’t want at all, but was forced into it. I suspect that he wanted to reunite Germany and bring all the disparate parts back together again, something all Germans probably wanted, but the powers that orchestrated WWI wanted a reprise. It all sounds very nefarious, but perhaps it was as bad as that!
If it’s a question of thinking “about WWII from a different perspective” and that perspective is James Corbett’s, well… thanks but no thanks.
It collapsed because the Zionists opposed it.
This is a link to something out of The Barnes Review – a virulent anti-semitic website and denier of the Holocaust. Why are these commentators even given space?
Why do you assume the Pentagon wants these conflicts to end? The longer they last, the longer the Pentagon has an excuse to stay. Afghanistan, for example, is in a strategic location: nestled between Iran, Pakistan, China and the Central Asian ‘Stans’. It’s the perfect entry point onto the Eurasian chessboard.
It would be typical Washington “shrewdness” to facilitate pulling out of Syria, then let Turkey do its worst against the Kurds (and Turkey’s worst is very bad…) until pictures start emerging of Turkey going over the top and tremendous western outrage ensues. When that outrage is passionate enough, the US will move right back into Syria, quite oblivious of the fact that Syria and its national leaders don’t want it there, and Erdogan might even find himself in a similar position to Hussein and Gadhafi – on the receiving end of the fact that Washington has got bored with him… Today’s USA is an utter farce. At least with a poisonous snake you know that it is an actual snake, and give it all due respect as such. But the USA’s foreign policy pretends to be something which it is not: A paragon of virtue; when it is, in fact,… Read more »
But a very big farcical venomous snake. It may start to collapse from within. The cracks in their system are getting larger. They hate each other in a way which is hopeful.
The Protocols of Zion Notes II – The Symbolic Snake of Judaism. Protocol III opens with a reference to the Symbolic Snake of Judaism. In his Epilogue to the 1905 Edition of the Protocols, Nilus gives the following interesting account of this symbol: “According to the records of secret Jewish Zionism, Solomon and other Jewish learned men already, in 929 B.C., thought out a scheme in theory for a peaceful conquest of the whole universe by Zion. As history developed, this scheme was worked out in detail and completed by men who were subsequently initiated in this question. These learned men decided by peaceful means to conquer the world for Zion with the slyness of the Symbolic Snake, whose head was to represent those who have been initiated into the plans of the Jewish administration, and the body of the Snake to represent the Jewish people – the administration was… Read more »
Caltrop, since you take the Protocols seriously (which I do not) I consulted WikiPedia: “Sergei Aleksandrovich Nilus b. 1862 in Moscow – 14 January 1929 was a Russian religious writer and self-described mystic. He was responsible for publishing for the first time “in full” The Protocols of the Elders of Zion in Russia in 1905. It appeared as the final chapter of his book (The Great within the Small and Antichrist. Notes of an Orthodox Believer).” So let’s compare what he predicted ca.1905-1929 to what we know today: “As this Snake penetrated into the hearts of the nations which it encountered it undermined and devoured all the non-Jewish power of these States. It is foretold that the Snake has still to finish its work until it has encompassed the whole world. This it is to accomplish by using every endeavor to subdue the other countries by an ECONOMICAL CONQUEST.” I… Read more »
The Protocols are true in the sense that Shakespeare’s plays or 1984 are true.
None of these represent actual historical events.
There were no actual historical figures like Romeo, Juliet, Prospero, Caliban, Winston Smith, or Big Brother.
But the authors create a world from their own imagination to explore different issues and reveal a greater truth.
Like 1984, The Protocols are a warning, showing us a dystopian future which is on the cards if we do not work to prevent it.
Without researching the others, Trump and Cameron are definitely Jews. The Protocols . But, what are the facts? . “We rejoice to learn that on May 14, 1935, the Cantonal Court of Berne, Switzerland, openly denounced the so-called ‘Protocols of the Elders of Zion’ as forgeries, obvious plagiarism, immoral, and manifestly prepared for the purpose of inciting popular passion against the Jews”. Thus said the “New York Evening Post”, May 14, 1935. . SILENCE FOR FACTS . This has been repeated endlessly ever since. . BUT when the Swiss Court of Appeals on Nov. 1, 1937 not only acquitted the principal defendant, Sylvio Schnell, and assessed the entire cost of the trial, 30,000 francs, against the state and reversed the verdict, Jewry kept SILENCE! The decision cited the fact that the Marxist-Judge Meyer had heard not one witness for the defense; had kept no Court record of the proceedings; and… Read more »
All Roads Lead To Tel Aviv.
Sharon to Peres: We Control America
https://www.mediamonitors.net/sharon-to-peres-we-control-america/
The last time Donald Trump fooled the world into believing “We’re leaving Syria!” was on December 19, 2018, – within 24 hours of a United Nations (December 20, 2018) meeting outlining the horrific mercenary terrorist-supportive crimes of the White Helmets.
Fully aware that this is a sentiment shared by many here, I like to refer to an interview with Cindy Sheehan on MintPress in which the core message is to end the unlimited spending of the war machine. The accompanying movement ‘Rage Against The War Machine‘ will kick off on October 11th, 2019.
(From MintPress)
In another revealing confirmation, the U.S. regime is already trying to back-pedal on the troop withdrawal, that has been nothing else but a removal of 50 (!) troops from the immediate area of the announced Turkey incursion.
(From MadhouseNews)
Last but not least, Kurdish forces might just do what some of us hinted at earlier. PressTV reports on Kurdish forces considering joining with Syrian forces to counter the announced Turkish incursion. The question is now, what will become of the fake troop withdrawal by illegally present U.S. regime forces?
None of this really matters, because we’re looking at a USUKIS empire that is rapidly collapsing before our eyes, with the China – Russia axis coming to the forefront.
The only real question is if USUKIS will start using unprovoked nuclear weapon attacks as they sink below the waves.
Believe me, these people are mad enough to use nuclear weapons.
They are the only ones who have. I do think there is good from within but how to unlock it?
@RobG: “these people are mad enough to use nuclear weapons.”
Until they learn the other side have those as well.
Have you seen the new Russian hypersonic missiles? Nothing in the U$ can touch them.
And the small fry — Israel, UK, France — can no longer count on a Houthi or some other fuzzy wuzzy woggy not going to the souk and buying a bargain surplus nuclear warhead for his cheap homemade missile.
The Duck changes the page every day in order to maintain attention. If anyone detracts from his attention getting he interlopes into their topical subject matter as well.
Vote Trump for prison.
Lock him up!
MOU
He may be an attention-craving buffoon, but in fact he is a distraction.
It’s very easy to forget, or ignore, all sorts of important things while he flits around, wondering what game-changing cosmic thoughts might enter his head during the next hour or two.
The Duck has no game changing ideas or thoughts in his atrophied dementia riddled central nervous system. He wants a wall & Greenland plus more attention. What he needs is a rubber room & medication.
MOU
All of Washington needs a rubber room & medication.
The problems the US has is the price of oil. They’ve given up on controlling the flow, but in order to push the price higher they need further conflict. War is off the menu until after the election of the next president. The flip from Russia to Ukraine indicates a foreign policy on flux – with lots of loose cards in play.
But hey what about Trump’s shock and daw??
Well the Guys and Gals at the Graun are spinning in ever decreasing circles about whether it’s the weather or war. In this conundrum we have an unanswered pitch. What is causing devastation of the planet? Normal human activity or war? so you might think more of the latter might be advisable.
Answers on a postcard or a more surveillance friendly tweet to Cathy Viner the Head Hitter in Chief of the Gaslighter.
Well the Guys and Gals at the Graun are spinning in ever decreasing circles about whether it’s the weather or war. In this conundrum we have an unanswered pitch. What is causing devastation of the planet? Normal human activity or war? so you might think more of the latter might be advisable.
I suppose it as nothing to do with the worlds population going from 4 billion to 9 billion. They all want energy CO2 they all want meat CO2 + Methane. They all want drinking water Food energy + water = a lot of P##s + Crap do i need to go on.
The west as done its bit it’s cut both population growth and emissions, its now down to the developing world. Or it will be up to nature to sort things out and it won’t be pretty.
Mailman here. From Pat Buchanan, the first I have read that source; it justifies his high reputation among Truthers:
https://buchanan.org/blog/is-trump-at-last-ending-our-endless-wars-137583
Unless he’s changed his tune recently, Uncle Buck is no Truther.
There’s just one thing missing – OIL. Which is of course one of the main reasons the US chose this part of Syria to be the “Caliphate” and why it bombed the bridges on the Euphrates, and why it chose to start its show in Sinjar and Kobane, and end it in Baghouz. Turkey has an interest in allowing the SDF to continue to control the oil fields near Deir al Zour, because they benefit from the transit trade of Syrian oil. So maybe it’s only if the Kurds decide finally to go with the Syrian government that some justice will prevail. Unlike other militant groups, the Kurds never said they were fighting the SAA and Damascus, even though they were supposedly working for the US.
https://www.loc.gov/resource/g7421h.ct002142/?r=-0.038,0.17,0.69,0.359,0
“OIL”: & Gas pipelines, Transit revenues, with transient politics, politicians & ‘loads’ …
My ‘guess’ is now that B.P. have their Azerbaijan $28 billion pipeline, from the Caspian Sea to Europe, up and running and their Khazzan Gas field having started to yield their largest regional profits down South, already moving to ‘Phase 2’ (first production) planned in 2021,
they will want regional political stability, with,
Oman being next door to Yemen and B.P.’s chequered history in Iran …
compromise could prevail for a while, but nothing G’teed.
Will this change anything in Syria? Yes. If the US pulls out, Idlib will likely fall quicker, the quicker the better. Will there be another chemical attack (or similar) which “forces” the US to remain after all? Less likely than before, because ISIS’s ability to do this from their nests in Idlib has been significantly degraded. Will there be a resurgence of ISIS? If the Syrians/Russians mop up Idlib quickly, there won’t be much of one in Syria. ISIS might then change its focus to Yemen now that the Saudis can’t defend their oil refineries from Houthi attacks and would like to spend their ill-gotten gains on infiltrating Yemen with ISIS et al. Will Turkey step into the void? Turkey have been invited to step into the void already by US neutrality on their current proposal to ‘step’ into Syria’s 30km northern fringe. The Kurds won’t be able to defend… Read more »
Stephen Morrell Good summing up, but i hope the last bit is wrong. What is happening right now is a three cornered fight. Turks would like to see a resurgence of the Ottoman Empire, it can’t expand north, south is its only option. plus a conflict that appeals to nationalism takes the pressure off the Turkish economic problems, Win, win for Turkey Saudi the home of Islam, for a long time under the thumb of the Ottomans, until. Turkey chose the wrong side in WW 1 and oil was discovered. The oil wealth as been used to spread it’s Wahhabi version of Islam around the world. Iran [Persia] was forced to submit to Islam, but then settled on its own version of Islam. Now we have a heady mix of religion and politics. The Iranians are Persian [not Arab] and have a history going back to 3 millennia. Plus the… Read more »
I think the last bit will be most likely to be true. If Trump changes his mind and doesn’t pull the US out of Syria, his anti-interventionist base can say he was forced to yet again by the blob. If Trump manages to pull it off, they’ll be pleased. Either way his base will stay with him because to them he’s infallible and this is a cult.
Plus, at the moment, there’s not better option than him anyway.
This is about the most sensible – and well-informed – comment I’ve read on here this morning. Keep it up Stephen. This site needs balanced minds.
I noticed Lindsey Hilsum parroting the Lindsey Graham line on Ch4 News last night. I’ve kept an eye on Graham since his Atlantic Bridge days, the man is a little “down-home” Carolinian with a cute Southern accent and a pathological hatred of Iran. He used to frighten his constituents with tales of the Iranian Republican Guard planning to smuggle a suitcase-sized nuclear device into Charleston Naval Base. He will do anything in his power to destroy, what he believes is the evilest country in the world…..and the United Kingdom is, and always has been, largely behind him.
He comes from the same mould as Jesse Helms who had an obsessive hatred towards Cuba and was a southern “ gentleman “. The British Empire supported the Confederacy during the American civil war it appears they still support it.
Compulsive liars cannot ‘keep their word’ because their words change to suit the situation/s they are confronted with.
The Emperor of Hubris is first and foremost, the Emperor of expedience.
I love how Amerikastani liberals who couldn’t tell a Kurd from a curd are always willing to destroy Syria to protect the Ckurds or Kcurds or whatever.
Those poor peace-loving Kurds. Why any country would not want them within their borders is beyond me. Iraq was invaded for the Kurds, don’t forget that. What loyalty they engender and repay. It’s that maudlin “win one for the Gipper “(or Kurds) that makes the world go round. Aren’t we lucky to have the US take one for the team of the righteous and beat up those big meanie nations who speak ill of the cuddly Kurds.
Iraq was invaded for oil: oil that may just have driven you to work. It certainly kept a toxic ideological culture going for a few more years too many. It is an amazing capacity we have developed to blame our victims for our own lack of self-responsibility, isn’t it?
Indeed it was. But you will recall the frequent appeals to altruism in the US for the victims of gassing. It has worked in the past to justify mad dog behaviour.
Oil is a red herring much touted by our hasbara chums.
It is a distraction, a diversion, a smokescreen.
All these wars were conceived, written and orchestrated from Tel Aviv, with the usual goy whores providing the dumb muscle, the money and the blood for their Zionist masters.
Indeed … And here , in just 22 seconds , it is from the horses mouth. https://youtu.be/wHmhf_wrcrM
Your car must be driving on snake oil as you sure do sell it.
Or for control of the oil as well as control on the price of oil. Energy control globally is the big prize. Outsourcing toxic debt from corporates to populations for the sustainability of control systems as protection rackets is the expertise of survival in such terms focused through cunningly framed narrative manipulations targeted to cultivated fear, shame and guilt. I recommend Engdahl’s Myths, lies and Oil Wars for a background of oil cartels that spread way beyond oil – within highly disciplined networks of transnational influence. Maintaining Oil and energy scarcity has been a significant basis of overwhelming wealth and power of influence that is set on remaking the world in its own image. So while oil is often if not always a factor – control of oil and its distribution is. Under carbon guilted social debit economy and the 5G+ IoT a real-time surveillance and control system can be… Read more »
Cue endless kvetching about “the poor Kurds” and “the brave Kurds.” We may even get a Kurdish Baana soon. What you need to remember is that they were willing accomplices in the Zionist plans to completely destroy Iraq and Syria. They deserve to pay a price for that.
Some sort of deal appears to have been done by Syria, Turkey, Russia. The long delayed liberation of Idlib from terrorist occupation will go ahead. The western proxy head choppers will be displaced and either forced out, or allowed out, to the north east, where Turkish forces are invading the US/ Kurdish protectorate. The Turks will be allowed to crush the Kurds. The US and their Kurdish clients have no say in any of this. The US will be an irrelevant bystander. Hence Trump’s big mouth going into overdrive about his “great wisdom” and threats to Turkey. The Kurds deserve all they get. They are just a Zionist catspaw. They have no independent agency. They are the whores of the Middle East. The Kurds always whore themselves out to other powers, who use them for a while and dump them as soon as it is convenient. In the past, they… Read more »
You’re exactly right about the Kurds, they have always -always!- gone for the shortest term advantage, the most temporary of alliances, have switched sides in a heartbeat, and therefore are trusted by absolutely nobody.
Nor should they be.
Kurds have been fighting for their own country for more than 300 years. That makes different alliances necessary as the landscape changes. I find it surprising that they allowed themselves to be used, because expecting something positive from the US …… never.
Unless someone pulls the plug arbitrarily like Trump now seems to do, nothing will ever improve or change. The money that it costs to keep American soldiers in a place where they are neither invited nor welcome can be spent on something productive.
You know what really irks me? It’s the generalization of ‘the Kurds’. It’s always ‘the Kurds’.
Please note that ‘the Kurds’ are a majority of women, children and the elderly. It is the macho leaders that love to fight and kill. The victims of this macho bullshit are always the women, children and the elderly. Women lose their husbands/boyfriends, children their fathers and the elderly their sons and daughters.
No one ever talks about that. It is the same all over the world, where dickheads love militarism, fighting and killing others.
It is not ‘the Kurds’, or any other ‘the’ at that. It’s always machos with small brains and big chests.
Actually, a sizeable number of the Kurdish forces (the Peshmerga) that have been fighting are indeed female. Not only male machos.
Yes, the female Kurdish Peshmerga soldiers are fighting apparently to serve on the front lines.
From War Is Boring:
“The Kurds Won’t Let Their Women Soldiers Anywhere Near the Front Line”
Looks like the macho leaders would prefer to get themselves killed first before they’ll allow women soldiers to fight.
You’re quite right of course. People are people, whether it’s Russian peasant farmers under Stalin, factory workers in the 3rd Reich, ordinary Jews under the Zionist Regime. They just want to lead their lives, do their jobs, and bring up their families. But that doesn’t matter. Because they don’t count. They don’t make the decisions. They just provide the cannon fodder for the Stalins, the Hitlers, the Netanyahus, the Blairs and the Trumps. If it were left to the man in the street, there would be no Stalingrads, Verduns, Vietnams or Syrias. No sane individual would want to travel thousands of miles to kill some stranger very similar to himself to advance some cause or agenda he could never understand. But that’s irrelevant, because like Trotsky said, you may not be interested in war, but war is certainly interested in you. That’s why you have to generalize. And the Kurds,… Read more »
They have whored themselves out to everybody, been dumped by everybody the moment it becomes convenient, and left in the lurch to face the consequences of their own actions countless times. The US used them to destabilise the Iraq Regime of the 1950s, pre Saddam Hussein, and then dumped them, subsequently supplying Iraq with the napalm that was used to bomb them. Similar things have happened at least once in every decade since. This is what the US does. It creates chaos and instability as an act of policy. It will support some puppet dictator for a while, then some Islamist terror group like ISIS or Al Qaida, then some new general or strongman, constantly playing off one faction against another, alternating between them. The aim is just to keep everything on the boil and leave the country weak and unstable, wide open to looting by global corporate interests. The… Read more »
@Mark. What he said.
This is the endgame. A long game of bloodchess by NATZO — which we are losing. The first move by Dr.Assad way back in 2011 beat us: as soon as we opened with our NATZO ISIS pawns he offered the Kurds autonomy. By 2013 Assad had played so well that another international chessmaster joined the game. And always, behind Assad and Putin, giving advice and support — the Persians, the people who invented chess.
Dr.Assad: “Not an inch of Syrian soil”.
Russian dictionary under Stalin, use of word inch: “Not an inch of Soviet Soil”.
Spot on Mark
But if the DNC persists in putting up such cretins to oppose him, the Orange Man will probably win by default in 2020 anyway.
I just hope that if Trump does win in 2020, the screaming MSM may just shut the F##k up and give him a chance to put is ideas into some form of action. Maybe the US will follow China’s lead and rebuild the US’s Infrastructure and play down the US’s role as world policeman.
That’d be nice. But far more likely if Trump wins re-election is just more Impeachmentgate to keep him under control.
The tragedy of it all is that ordinary Americans deserve so much better. They are the real losers. There are 330 million Americans, but the best they can come up with is Clinton, Beto, Buttplug, and a whole parade of pantomime clowns.
Peter, it may turn out that wart-festooned Trump will be the “best” candidate, which says plenty about the current excruciating talent pool. Can anyone win without swearing fealty to the MIC, Israel, and the MSM? And beating their breast about keeping America safe? Talking smack about China?
Mark: I know I’m wasting my time: but you just rationalised as justifiable the genocide of the Kurds. And no one picked you up. What do we become when we normalise genocide as justifiable? Your hatred of the “maggots of Talmudistan” – to synthesise some of your more choice phraseology – is palpable. I guess there is no point saying – but for the record – that the Kurds are as much victim of the imperialist Middle Eastern policies of others …right from when Churchill divided their ancestral lands in three. And Arthur ‘Bomber’ Harris learned and honed his own genocidal skillset there. And no, their allegiances have not always been skillful. But who to trust when everyone betrays you? The flirtation with the Rojava Free State shows some humanist attempt. The Saudi-Israeli-USUK Zio-NATO alliance: not so much. But at the end of the day: they are people who do… Read more »
If instead we get rid of an economy driven by debt the rest maight follow.
BigB, it is never a waste of time to remind us of our common humanity. Or so I believe. Dr.Assad MD, with his usual clemency, offered “the Kurds” autonomy on Day 1 of the NATZO invasion because, being a skilful chess player, he foresaw that the endgame would be played in Syria’s northern border area: the one adjoining NATZO’s Largest Army. Now that NATZO is in retreat “the Kurds” — having tried all other options and failed — would be well advised to take up Dr.Assad’s offer. A Kurdish cry to rejoin Syria would checkmate both Uncle $cam’s and NATZO/Turkey’s unlovely plans to overstay their unwelcome presence in Northern Syria. But as you know, “the Kurds” are as much the prisoners of their regime as are “the British” and “the French”. Nevertheless, “the voice of the people” or “the general will” or “the will of all” or “the national consensus”… Read more »
Genocide and mass slaughter are just the norm and everyday reality throughout the region. Palestine, Iraq, Syria, Iran, Yemen to name but a few. This isn’t going to change. Other countries like Venezuela, DPRK, Russia, China, are in the cross hairs for destruction. That is the reality. But sometimes you just have to point out when people are the authors of their own misfortune, like the Kurds and the Arab quisling dictators in bed with the US and the Zionist Regime, offering to pay them to invade and bomb other moslem countries. This has been a common thread in the history of the region, going back to the Crusades. Jerusalem was stormed in 1099 because Sunni and Shia were too busy fighting a civil war to stop it.
This has been a common thread in the history of the region, going back to the Crusades. Jerusalem was stormed in 1099 because Sunni and Shia were too busy fighting a civil war to stop it. You forgot to mention the Muslim invasion of a Greek/Latin speaking mainly Christian population due to the civil war between the West and eastern Roman Empire. Nor the forced conversion and slaughter of the indigenous people. Nor the same thing in Iran and India. Not to mention the expansion of the Ottoman Empire well into the 18th century. How long did the Crusades last in their attempt to take back christian lands? Was it all in the name of religion? Or was it all about the lust power and greed. Things have not changed much over centuries apart from the names of the players. The ordinary people still get crapped on by their leaders,… Read more »
I wish “most Turks” would want justice for the Kurds, fellow Muslims too. Or the Yemeni, or Uyghurs etc.
I wonder if they had “enough justice” in Cyprus themselves? Looks like they are going into Syria again to get some more.
If Israel was allowed only half of what Turkey does – by Lefty Western “standards”…
Somebody get the lad a shoehorn . . . while I get an albino porcupine,
the mighty Ant. needs help, ‘ramping’ ,
in new boots & ole’ panties 🙂
Ant! This is not a competition. Both can be bad, very bad. The degree matters very little to the victims.
Antonym sighing that a small bully with a long rap sheet for brutality and violence is not allowed to grow into a big bully with an even longer rap sheet for brutality and violence.
Lost your moral compass somewhere in your zeal to always bring up the subject of Israel anywhere, everywhere?
So far as I know Turkey hasn’t shot hundreds of pre teen kiddies in the head with British sniper rifles and dum dum bullets. Or played the Uber Parasite, extorting trillions from the rest of the planet.
The most you can lay at Turkey’s door is some dodgy kebabs.
Ever noticed on lamestream media when they feature a clip about ‘the Kurds’ that it ALWAYS features women. Women soldiers, women protesters etc …..
It’s like they are pushing some type of scripted agenda or sumthin 8).
I thought all the Kurds were women.
I didn’t know there were any Kurdish men.
Like everybody in Aleppo and Idlib are aged 5.
They’ve got to keep the Antifa on board by showing them PC images of the Peshmerga.
Trump has lost the battle to take over Syria and install a Rothschild owned Central Bank. There is not much point now in having a couple of thousand troops holed up on the Syrian-Iraqi border. Trump Seeks Congressional Funding for 60,000-Man Army to Overthrow Assad . Posted on March 8, 2018 by Eric Zuesse ISIS, or ISIL, or Islamic State, has been almost completely defeated in Syria, but the U.S. Department of Defense is requesting an increase instead of a decrease in funding to support “Vetted Syrian Opposition,” or fighters in Syria against Syria’s Government, and it refers to these fighters as being part of America’s “strategy to defeat ISIS,” instead of as being what they now obviously are: fighters for regime-change, or to overthrow Syria’s Government (which is headed by its President Bashar al-Assad, who received 89% of the votes cast throughout Syria in the internationally monitored 2014 Presidential… Read more »
ISIS is defeated. That’s why the U.S. regime needs now more troops in Syria to defeat ISIS.
There is only one solution to the U.S. problem. It is provided below. Everything else will not bring peace to the Middle East, but escalate day by day.
There are too many idiot ‘analysts’ that make a lot of money – being nothing else than the weatherman for geopolitical weather. I take screencaptures of the weather predictions for years now. NEVER is the weather as it was predicted. I can prove that.
Native North American Indians found out the hard way that you can never, ever trust the pale faces – whose descendents are now in control of the U.S. wanna-be empire. And people have the audacity to talk about that ‘the Kurds’ can not be trusted.
Who knows?????? My Take is it is forcing the stuborn bak stabbing Kurdish plutocrats and oligarchs to settle pettle their will be no new Israel in the ME. It appears on the surface that the Erdoghan along with Iran and the Slavs are cooridinating to get the kurds bak on track . Meanwhile in typical Turkish fashion they will be responsible for 3 million Syrian refugees o,further more Trump the frump has stated that the Turks will be responsible for all the Takfiri prisoners or whatever they are called during this day and age of py -op news coming from every angle. I suspect more false flags and the slavs have opened up a safe corridor in Der ezure for possible refugees . Al bukhamal opening border crossing between Iraq ans Syria at the bottom the Euphrates brought about an obvious response by the kabal and voila massive uprising in… Read more »
A lot of people say that Putin is a chess player. Chess players know – consciously or subconsciously – about ‘The Art of War’ as explained in perfection by Sun Tzu. In combination with the ‘I Ching’ a picture arises that is clear beyond any doubt: When the time comes to act, one has to act. Hesitance will be rewarded with failure. There are quite a number of points at that state of a war to consider. I recommend reading the book and why it is regarded as the only work about war that has never failed to deliver when its findings are applied. The only solution now is for the alliance that is keeping Syria from being Libya-ed, Iraq-ed, or Yemen-ed – Syria, Russia, Iran, Iraq and Yemen – to erase all foreign forces in Syria. It will be messy, but it has to be done. Destroy all forces… Read more »
@NTO1. What he said.
Trump has a US presidential re-election to win in November 2020 while the CIA/ FBI/ Fed / KSA cabal has too.
Is it my imagination but did you leave out a key Middle Eastern part of that cabal? Yet you include KSA but not Israel? Yet you mention Israel in nearly all your posts. What gives?
I think in terms of Turkey and the Kurds this US withdrawal if it goes ahead likely to be less important in the grand scheme. I didn’t immediately think of a false flag in terms of this decision as it was focused on the Kurds but we know there are dark forces behind the scenes and the usual suspects up in arms about the US decision and still a big risk of a fabrication in Idlib. I think now Israel is the biggest threat to Syria wrapping up the war and it’s determination to escalate the conflict to other countries. Turkey – I don’t rate their military and I sense Saudi Arabia are winding down their involvement. US will likely stay or leave behind their ‘advisors’. There seems to be an issue of pride here – the Americans don’t wish to admit defeat. Putin and Assad playing this like a… Read more »
No oil.
Israel has to be left out because it still can’t quite get a government together as long as Satanyahu still wants to be part of a future government and the rest of Israel still doesn’t want Satanyahu to be part of any future government but would rather see him and his missus Sara to be a future part of the Israeli prison system.
Black and white stripes would suit the ‘Yahoos but I doubt that’s what Ant had in mind, Jen.,