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Will the Democratic Party Exist after 2020 Election

Renée Parsons

DNC Debate Oct 15 2019; Westerville, OH, USA (Meg Vogel/The Enquirer via USA TODAY NETWORK)

Even before Rep. Tulsi Gabbard threatened to boycott the October 15th Dem debate as the DNC usurps the role of voters in the Democratic primacy 2020 election and with an impeachment inquiry against President Donald Trump on the table, the Swamp was stirred and its slimy muck may be about to come to the surface as never before.

If so, those revelations are long overdue.

It is no secret to the observant that since the 2016 election, the Democratic Party has been in a state of near-collapse, the victim of its own hubris, having lost their moral compass with unsubstantiated Russisgate allegations; those accusations continue as a futile exercise of domestic regime change.

Today’s Dems are less than a bona fide opposition party offering zero policy solutions, unrecognizable from past glories and not the same political party many of us signed up for many years ago. Instead, the American public is witnessing a frenzied, unscrupulous strategy.

Desperate in the denial of its demise, confronting its own shadow of corruption as the Dems have morphed into a branch of the CIA – not unlike origins of the East German Stasi government.

It should not be necessary to say but in today’s hyper volatile political climate it is: No American should be labelled as anything other than a loyal American to be deeply disturbed by the Democrat/CIA collusion that is currently operating an unprecedented Kangaroo Court in secret, behind closed doors; thus posing an ominous provocation to what remains of our Constitutional Republic.

As any politically savvy, independent thinking American might grasp, House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, Senate Minority Leader Chuck Schumer and their entire coterie of sycophants always knew that Russiagate was a crock of lies.

They lied to their willing Democratic rank n file, they lied to American public and they continue to lie about their bogus Impeachment campaign.

It may be that whistleblower Ed Snowden’s revelations about the NSA surveillance state was the first inkling for many Americans that there is a Big Problem with an out-of-control intelligence community until Senate Minority Leader Chuck Schumer warned that Trump was being ‘really dumb” in daring to question Intel’s faulty conclusion that Russia hacked the 2016 election.

“Let me tell you. You take on the intelligence community = they have six ways from Sunday at getting back at you.”

Inescapably, Schumer was suggesting  that the Congress has no oversight, that there is no accountability and that the US has lost its democratic roots when a newly elected President does not have the authority to question or publicly disagree with any of the Intel agencies.

Since the 2016 election, there has been a steady drumbeat of the US Intel’s unabashed efforts to undermine and otherwise prevent a newly elected President from governing – which sounds like a clear case of insubordination or some might call it treasonous.

The Intel antipathy does not appear to be rooted in cuts to a favorite social services program but rather protecting a power, financial and influence agenda that goes far deeper and more profound than most Americans care to contemplate.

Among a plethora of egregious corporate media reactions, no doubt stirred by their Intel masters, was to a July, 2018 summit meeting between Russian President Putin and Trump in Helsinki emblematic of illegitimate censures from Intel veterans and its cronies: 

Trump sides with Putin over US Intelligence” – CNN

Did Trump Commit Treason at Putin Meeting?” – Newsweek, and

Trump Slammed Over Disgrace, Disgusting Press Conference with PutinNewsweek.

Not one praised Trump for pursuing peace with Russia.

And yet, fellow Americans, it is curious to consider that there was no outrage after the 911 attacks in 2001 from any member of Congress, President Bush or the Corporate Media that the US intelligence community had utterly failed in its mission to keep the American public safe.

There was no reckoning, not one person in authority was held accountable, not one person who had the responsibility to ‘know’ was fired from any of the Intel agencies. Why is that?

As a result of  the corrupt foundation of the Russiagate allegations, Attorney General Bob Barr and Special Investigator John Durham appear hot on the trail with law enforcement in Italy as they have apparently scared the bejesus out of what little common sense remains among the Democratic hierarchy as if Barr/Durham might be headed for Obama’s Oval Office.

Barr’s earlier comment before the Senate that “spying did occur’ and that ‘it’s a big deal’ when an incumbent administration (ie the Obama Administration) authorizes a counter-Intelligence operation on an opposing candidate (ie Donald Trump) has the Dems in panic-stricken overdrive – and that is what is driving the current Impeachment Inquiry.

With the stark realization that none of the DNC’s favored top tier candidates has the mojo to go the distance, the Democrats have now focused on a July 25th phone call between Trump and Ukraine President Volodymyr Zelenskyy in which Trump allegedly ‘pressured’ Zelenskyy to investigate Joe Biden’s relationship with Burisma, the country’s largest natural gas provider.

At issue is any hanky panky involving Burisma payments to Rosemont Seneca Partners, an equity firm owned by Joe’s errant son, Hunter, who served on Burisma’s Board for a modest $50,000 a month.

Zelenskyy, who defeated the US-endorsed incumbent President Petro Poroshenko in a landslide victory, speaks Russian, was elected to clean up corruption and end the conflict in eastern Ukraine.  The war in the Donbass began as a result of the US State Department’s role in the overthrow of democratically elected Ukrainian President Viktor Yanukovych in 2014.

Trump’s first priority on July 25th was Crowd Strike, a cybersecurity firm with links to the HRC campaign which was hired by the DNC to investigate Russian hacking of its server. 

The Dems have reason to be concerned since it is worth contemplating why the FBI did not legally mandate that the DNC turn its server over to them for an official Federal forensic inspection. 

One can only speculate…those chickens may be coming home to roost.

Days after an anonymous whistleblower (not to be confused with a real whistleblower like Edward Snowden) later identified as a CIA analyst with a professional history linked to Joe Biden, publicly released a Complaint against Trump. 

House Speaker Nancy Pelosi announced the initiation of an ambiguous Impeachment Inquiry campaign with little specificity about the process.  The Complaint is suspect since it reads more like a professionally prepared Affidavit and the Dems consider Pelosi’s statement as sufficient to initiate a formal process that fails to follow the time-honored path of a full House vote predicating a legitimate impeachment inquiry on to the Judiciary Committee.

Of special interest is how the process to date is playing out with the House Intelligence Committee in a key role conducting what amounts to clandestine meetings, taking depositions and witness statements behind closed doors with a still secret unidentified whistleblower’s identity and voice obscured from Republican members of the Intel Committee and a witness testifying without being formally sworn in – all too eerily similar to East Germany.

The pretense of shielding the thinly veiled CIA operative as a whistleblower from public exposure can only be seen as an overly-dramatic transparent performance as the Dems have never exhibited any concern about protecting real whistleblowers like Snowden, Chelsea Manning, Bill Binney, Thomas Drake, John Kiriakou, Julian Assange, Jeffrey Sterling and others who were left to fend for themselves as the Obama Administration prosecuted more true, authentic whistleblowers than any other administration since the Espionage Act of 1917.

As the paradigm shift takes its toll on the prevailing framework of reality and our decayed political institutions, (the FBI and DOJ come to mind as the Inspector General’s report is due at  week’s end), how much longer does the Democratic Party, which no longer serves a useful public purpose, deserve to exist?

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ThomPrentice
ThomPrentice
Oct 26, 2019 1:04 AM

CORRECT: The Democratic Party as is doe not deserve to continue to exist.

CORRECT: THis Deep State CIA “Whistleblower” is ***** NOT ***** in the SAME CLASS as the International Heroes Snowden, Chelsea Manning, Bill Binney, Thomas Drake, John Kiriakou, Julian Assange, Jeffrey Sterling and the rest. IF the CIA “whistleblower” is INDEED, a whistleblower at all.

And why aren’t the damned Democrats agitating for the release of Chelsea Manning from Constitutionally Prohibited DOUBLE JEOPARDY and JULIAN ASSANGE from Constitutionally Prohibited CRUEL AND UNUSUAL PUNISHMENT?

ThomPrentice
ThomPrentice
Oct 26, 2019 1:01 AM

EVIDENCE, PLEASE?: “to clandestine meetings, taking depositions and witness statements behind closed doors with a still secret unidentified whistleblower’s identity and voice obscured from Republican members of the Intel Committee and a witness testifying without being formally sworn in – all too eerily similar to East Germany”

The hearing to take DEPOSITIONS are like TAKING DEPOSITIONS in REAL TRIALS, that is, NOT OPEN TO THE PUBLIC AND OFTEN NOT DISCLOSED EVEN AT TRIAL !

What is the DIFF betw DEPOSITIONS and WITNESS STATEMENTS?

Evidence of voice obscuring from ONLY Republican members … ? How is that technically possible?

Not formally sworn in? EVIDENCE, PLEASE.

Look, if it is all these things, then so be it. But let’s have some fucking EVIDENCE, puh-lease !!! Some FOOTNORES would be nice, ESPECIALLY if the LINKS do not WORK.

ThomPrentice
ThomPrentice
Oct 26, 2019 12:57 AM

This link doesn’t work: “analyst with a professional history linked to Joe Biden, p

ThomPrentice
ThomPrentice
Oct 26, 2019 12:56 AM

is this true? I do not recall this happening at the time of the Nixon impeachment, but perhaps it did.

RE: “time-honored path of a full House vote predicating a legitimate impeachment inquiry on to the Judiciary Committee

mark
mark
Oct 27, 2019 12:19 PM
Reply to  ThomPrentice

Impeachment is just a Bread And Circuses Distraction, a Big Rabbit Hole serving both Republican and Democrat factions, the 2 sides of the Kosher Sandwich. It is a big nothing burger. It is manufactured, synthetic nonsense.

It distracts Trump’s Base from his failure to deliver on a single one of his promises.
– Say, buddy, thought you were going to Drain The Swamp. What happened there, Donny?
– Thought you were going to Build The Wall. How did that go, Donny?
– Thought you were going to end all the crazy wars for Israel and Bring The Troops Home. How did that work out, Donny?
-Thought you were going to rebuild all the crumbling infrastructure. What was that all about, Donny?
– Thought you were going to reform Obamacare. Have any luck there, buddy?

Let’s have an endless Punch And Judy Show that is going nowhere filling up the air waves. It avoids having to talk about and think about embarrassing things like the real issues. Let’s threaten to impeach the Orange Man for paying off Stormy Daniels instead. Have to get our priorities right.

It serves Democrats in exactly the same way. Two sides of the same coin, two cheeks of the same arse.
It distracts attention from the corrupt, third rate nonentities they are putting up to oppose the Orange Man.
It avoids talking about the real interests of the people they used to represent once upon a time. Unemployment, health care, education, debt, inequality, housing, homelessness, drugs, crime. Let’s concentrate on the really important things, toilets for trannies and Stormy Daniels.

Then the Two Cheeks Of The Same Arse can carry on lining their pockets, robbing people blind, lying through their teeth, and serving the interests of the people who matter. Israel, Wall Street, the billionaires. Business as usual. Have to get the priorities right.

John Thatcher
John Thatcher
Oct 22, 2019 11:53 PM

My comments appear when I first post them,then they disappear,why is that please Admin?

John Thatcher
John Thatcher
Oct 22, 2019 12:01 PM

Thank you Renee for a sane and thoughtful piece.

Fair dinkum
Fair dinkum
Oct 22, 2019 9:08 AM

There are no ‘polical parties’
They are instruments of expedience for vested interests.
They are vehicles for ambition and authority addicts.
They are a JOKE on the folk.

Fred
Fred
Oct 22, 2019 6:13 AM

‘I can’t think properly’: Assange disoriented as court rejects delay for extradition proceedings

With his supporters rallying outside the court building, Julian Assange showed signs of exhaustion and psychological torment as his lawyer made a bid to delay US extradition proceedings – but the London court ruled against him.

https://www.rt.com/uk/471425-assange-court-hearing-us-extradition/

Formulas
Formulas
Oct 22, 2019 5:39 AM

Usually, Party = People + Ideology + Money (must be a lot of it, for a party in the US)

But things are not what they seem. Upon closer inspection, thanks to Assange and all those who advocate for transparacy, we now know, the Elites in the Democratic Party have their own agenda that is disconnected from the party members’ aspirations. We know very clearly this Party is pursuing an ideology that is exactly the opposite of the openly stated beliefs.

Hence the updated formula: Democratic Party = Elites + Money + Intelligence Agencies Takeover.

Rhys Jaggar
Rhys Jaggar
Oct 21, 2019 10:14 PM

Good to see that a few Americans are finally calling time on the fairy story that ‘America is the Greatest Democracy in the World.’

I am not even sure it is the greatest oligarchy in the world, to be honest. Russia would definitely be in with a shout there.

0use4msm
0use4msm
Oct 21, 2019 9:52 PM

Let me tell you. You take on the intelligence community = they have six ways from Sunday at getting back at you.

To which one can reply: “Chuck, are you speaking as a victim of deep state extortion, or as one of its enforcers?” What Schumer is describing is all the more reason for real patriots to take on the intelligence community tooth and nail, in defense of US democracy, if that term is still to have any meaning of actual value. If we’re to give in, as Schumer advises, then we’re de facto burying democracy.

nottheonly1
nottheonly1
Oct 21, 2019 9:16 PM

Thank you for this exquisite summary. There are a few ‘however’ though. But they don’t take anything away from your work – they add to it.

The first and most important point about ‘the two party system’ (which in itself is a total joke) reveals itself in the question which arme you use to salute the Führer. The Democrats salute with the left arm, the Republicans with the right arm.

It is no secret to the observant that since the 2016 election, the Democratic Party has been in a state of near-collapse, the victim of its own hubris, having lost their moral compass with unsubstantiated Russisgate allegations; those accusations continue as a futile exercise of domestic regime change.

The Democratic party has been in a state of near-collapse since 1944 – the year the fascists among the party leaders stole the nomination from Henry A. Wallace. Wallace had the majority support not only in the Democratic party, but the overwhelming backing by the entire working class. He was their man.

It is part of the American delusion to reject the fact that the U.S. was founded on principles of fascism. In its history, fascist dictators were never a problem for it. The opposite is true. Fascist dictators were only seen as a problem, when they started a life on their own – when they were competing with the U.S. in any way, or getting too big. Therefore, the Democratic party wing of the fascist U.S. elite never had a moral compass. Wallace wanted to end segregation way before it became inevitable. The whole ‘civil rights’ thing would have been moot with Henry Wallace and not the Über-Nazi Truman in the white house. If you have not done so, watch this historic footage of the 1944 Democratic party convention.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5N60joKW174

Today’s Dems are less than a bona fide opposition party offering zero policy solutions, unrecognizable from past glories and not the same political party many of us signed up for many years ago.

Today’s Dems are only in an Orwellian way ‘opposition’, but the truth is that they never were anything closely resembling that. The two party system does not provide for opposition (as explained in a recent study about what policies are implemented over those the public wants to be implemented) – if only in a comical, entertaining way. The bread and games way. The U.S. has the problems it has now because there never was anything worthy of an opposition. Only two sides of one fascist coin. And anybody who has signed up after 1944 was definitely never paying attention as to what this left arm of the Führer party did to the working class. (Which was at one point the majority of American citizens)

The Intel antipathy does not appear to be rooted in cuts to a favorite social services program but rather protecting a power, financial and influence agenda that goes far deeper and more profound than most Americans care to contemplate.

Because the ‘Intel’ has always been the instrument of the elites to crush dissent, to harass the citizenry, to spy on it and to manipulate public opinion. This is the result of importing Nazis to get the job done. ‘Intel’ in the U.S. is unadulterated fascism and only answers to those keeping the swamp wet. And while I am unsure about Americans not caring to contemplate, I am sure that they are incapable to contemplate by now.

Considering that the gullible party base is cheering war criminals, celebrating corrupt psychopaths and agreeing to fund a ‘God with U.S.’ fascist military without limitations, never demanding the trillions of stolen tax payer monies to be recovered from ‘the troops’, it is highly likely that this cess pool of corruption will keep staining the flag of any good the U.S. ever stood for. These people are like Goebbels and Hitler on steroids. The only goal they have is to be the ones that install, what Smedley Butler could prevent from happening in the early 30’s. A fascist dictatorship, payrolled by the owner class with the help of the U.S. GESTAPO and SCHUTZSTAFFEL.

In order to prevent that from happening, anybody remaining in the ‘Democratic’ party is guilty by association for the crimes under its leadership. The Democratic party needs to be dissolved and its entire leadership – including previous administration members – tried for treason on the American people, war crimes, crimes against humanity and corruption.

The same is also true for the fascist Republican party under Führer Cheney and the Bushes. War crimes don’t have any statutes of limitations – ask the Jewish Organisations that are still hunting down Germans for crimes perpetrated 80 years ago. There is a notion stating ‘No Justice – No Peace’ and it is more important and valid today than ever before.

There will be no future without justice. No exceptions to the rule. None whatsoever. A treasonous ‘supreme’ court judge belongs behind bars as much as any ‘ordinary’ criminal, whereas the ordinary criminal might sit behind bars BECAUSE of the treason by the ‘supreme’ court judge.

Cynicism allows for the notion to ‘Get the Beer and the Popcorn’, but in the light of having loved ones in the States, I cannot afford that notion. When the criminally corrupt and fascist U.S. regime collapses, their Nazi stooges will do overtime. It was the same way in Germany – first in the Reich and then in the ‘Democratic Republic’. The powers above the puppets and presstitutes will use any means available to maintain their positions. Over a billion hollow rounds amunition and a totally militarized ALEC laws enforcement will ensure that. Violent overthrow might not be as easy as the second amendment crowd makes itself belief.

Now, to answer the headline question, I certainly hopey that it will cease to exist. Its members would have to take it to a non-kangaroo court and sue it to death. Death is what it deserves for being despicable at epic proportions. And its ‘leaders’ need to bei either locked up behind bars, or admitted into padded cells.

nottheonly1
nottheonly1
Oct 21, 2019 9:46 PM
Reply to  nottheonly1

News for those who believe that change is possible:

Jen
Jen
Oct 22, 2019 1:31 AM
Reply to  nottheonly1

Ironic that in his zeal to become Absolute Omniscient Caesar of the US empire, the one thing Jeff Bozo … er, Bezos omitted to do at each and every step of the process in taking over the entire country was organise mass book burnings. After all, he and Amazon started out by controlling the quantity and quality of books and other published reading matter.

Antonym
Antonym
Oct 22, 2019 3:51 AM
Reply to  Jen

Ironic that Bezos last ~50% of his former fortune to one woman, his ex-wife. May he marry again.
Still, Amazon’s business model is brilliant, it just needs much more competition.

Antonym
Antonym
Oct 22, 2019 3:53 AM
Reply to  Antonym

lost

George Mc
George Mc
Oct 21, 2019 7:48 PM

“And yet, fellow Americans, it is curious to consider that there was no outrage after the 911 attacks in 2001 from any member of Congress, President Bush or the Corporate Media that the US intelligence community had utterly failed in its mission to keep the American public safe.”

Can you imagine the effect of any outrage directed against the intelligence community? For one thing, it would alert everyone to the existence of this community. For another, it would encourage everyone to focus on the details of what happened on 9/11. And finally, it would direct attention away from external enemies. Indeed such outrage would threaten to completely alter the entire 9/11 narrative. That’s why the role of the intelligence agencies was never going to become an issue.

wardropper
wardropper
Oct 21, 2019 5:07 PM

I’ve mentioned this before, but the current “descent into madness” mirrors exactly the scenario to be found in Goethe’s “Faust”, Pt. II, as well as Caligula’s, Nero’s, Mussolini’s and Hitler’s rises and falls.
If there are any sane Americans left, they must surely be wondering, after the relentless media propaganda bludgeoning of recent decades, what on earth the point of remaining sane might be.

Gary Weglarz
Gary Weglarz
Oct 21, 2019 4:11 PM

There is an unmistakable progression in our American descent into collective madness. From our credulous collective acceptance of the “magic bullet” – to accepting the complete fantasy that steel and concrete can simply pulverize into dust in mid-air “if the State says it can” – to the now increasingly accepted notion that the very concept of “peace” itself – is simply a “Russian talking point” to be distrusted and opposed, along with any ‘traitors’ who might utter such unapproved sentiments.

In my 67 years I have never before witnessed such collective madness, particularly among the more supposedly “progressive” segments of our population. The Democratic Party position appears to be “by all means hate Trump” – “but at all costs it is even more important to hate the very notion of ‘peace'” – even when the hated “P-word” is spoken by one of our own candidates.

One can’t help but think that all the work decades ago of former CIA director and psychopath Allen Dulles in bringing scores of Nazi’s into the organization along with their varied expertise – has played a role in now having created a nation in which our very own endlessly pro-war – “portable Nuremberg rally” – composed of panels of talking heads, and “experts” and “pundits” – is brought to us every single day. Our very own “one minute of hate” brought right into our homes, or even on our phones as we travel, on our computer screens, or over the car radio, or provided by the late-night TV “hip” comedian’s quips, or through the latest Hollywood movie or TV show, or by the “liberal” day-time TV celebrity dancing with war criminals – or, or, or – every freaking day of the year – just like clockwork – we are enclosed within the most seamless propaganda apparatus the world has ever seen.

Jihadi Colin
Jihadi Colin
Oct 21, 2019 4:03 PM

Oh, please, like the Daymockratic Party is anything but part of the same organisation as the Ripupthepublican Party, a single entity with two faces whose only purpose is to block any other evtrants from setting up shop in the political marketplace. As such it will never be allowed to disintegrate. That would offer the possibility of people getting access to choice, and the Amerikastani Empire cannot afford to give even the brain dead zombies that comprise the Amerikastani electorate a genuine choice.

Jihadi Colin
Jihadi Colin
Oct 21, 2019 4:04 PM
Reply to  Jihadi Colin

*entrants.

Please introduce an edit option on your comment section.

lundiel
lundiel
Oct 21, 2019 3:32 PM

What has become clear is it wouldn’t be enough to change economic policy in any western (NATO) country, you’d have to disassemble the security services as well.

John Thatcher
John Thatcher
Oct 22, 2019 12:07 PM
Reply to  lundiel

Yes lundiel.

Brian Steere
Brian Steere
Oct 21, 2019 12:02 PM

When an illusion disintegrates of its capacity to pass off as true, will truth reveal itself to our willingness of acceptance?
Or will a shift to a new version of the same evasion and denial of truth be invoked and given sacrifice to as ‘saviour’.
If we collectively choose to accept the Internment of Things as the means of systemic controls running on guilt and fear manipulation for the sustainability of an elitism set over the living – then let it be made in full consciousness of being a choice.
The political party is a factionalism where polarised identities are played off against each other.
Polarised identity is a factional elitism set over and against its feared or hated evil.
The very nature of fear is division of conflict that – once accepted – invokes defences that are set in the frame of the fear without any ‘democratic’ inner process of communication. In other words fear reacts blindly in the frame of its ‘flagging’ of guilt.
NOTE that generating conflict by flagging and targeting guilt away from self is a need for guilt to reside in others and for conflict to be perpetuated for the sustainability of the illusion of judgement as whole truth.
Guilt locks in what fear sets up as a sense of retaining a private sense of control over reality aka ‘judgement’.

The illusion of ruling over (setting and enforcing of rules) depends on the ruling OUT of truth by its substitution. We simply do not make truth – excepting by illusory substitutions seeking mutual or collective reinforcement.
We can make any kind of face we choose and be-live it as our personal assertion by finding mutual reinforcements of alliance, opposition and diversion, but when the wind changes we find we have become identified and framed in our own narrative ‘spin’. Everyone protects their investments. But recognising a poor or false investment is the opportunity to top feeding a monster as if it is too big to fail and make a clear place from which to reconnect a dept of feeling and being that the ‘endless and inescapable struggle’ denied us.
Inescapable is in the frame of its setting. one has to release the frame to open a new view and that means we have to become aware OF the frame of our thinking, our emotional investment and our reactivity. It is not unlike a robot – running an old program of defence within which a bubble reality operates.
A conflicted foundation must re-enact itself in all that follows after, and a narrative of denial and diversion can only make time and space in which to push the issue away.
Turning around to look at the foundations of our thought is the result of a change of heart. Nothing else has the power of command. You are the power of decision no matter how your mind frames your sense of self and world. The ‘mind-in-spin’ cannot hear this because it fears you would withdraw allegiance from it. This is true enough but it is also running as your own self-conviction -ie: as if it is You – and so fear of ‘extinction’ rises from the opportunity to look on what you are NOT as a disclosure or indeed revelation of a truth we share in – regardless the meanings and roles and casting out. The mind ‘rebels’ to the heart’s despair – that is – to the lack of active decision. And so prevarication becomes the framing of a sense of survival set against feared truth – projected onto the ‘unknown’.
Re-active assertion of a past made in fear and anger thus stamps onto the face of a rising presence in its belief that slavery is freedom and that sustainability of the reversal of truth demands sacrifice NOW!

Truth does not demand sacrifice of anything but illusions that be definition were never true. Identity conflict is Authority conflict. The power of decision has been given away to ‘external power’. But only as an ongoing decision. In other words it remains up to you where you go for truth.

Hacking NOTE to OG and all
As I was to post this I noticed
johny conspiranoid
@[redacted]@gmail.com
was autofilled in my sending name and email. They have no association with me.

nottheonly1
nottheonly1
Oct 21, 2019 9:30 PM
Reply to  Brian Steere

Your browser ‘autofills’ the fields, not the comment module. When you disable the ‘cookies’, the module will no longer be able to remember you. So, you need to dump your browser cache, erase all cookies (under ‘privacy’) and start anew. Anybody correct me if I am wrong.

Brian Steere
Brian Steere
Oct 21, 2019 9:53 PM
Reply to  nottheonly1

I realised that but have no idea where the autofill info (above) came from. It has no association with me. So if a cookie can be put onto my computer from OG – that has disinfo in it that would explain it – or of course from an intercept. Or a remote hack of cooke files.
I felt better to mention it than not.
It hasn’t recurred after clearing cookies so far.

Brian Steere
Brian Steere
Oct 21, 2019 9:57 PM
Reply to  Brian Steere

johny conspiranoid appears to be a real commenter on caitlin’s blog and elsewhere – at leas a quick search suggests this. Maybe admin could delete the email from the post?

Sophie - Admin1
Admin
Sophie - Admin1
Oct 22, 2019 12:28 AM
Reply to  Brian Steere

Done. Don’t know why that name and email would be associated with you. It’s quite odd. The auto fill is on your local machine and shouldn’t be affected by anything on OffG. We’re looking into it.

Brian Steere
Brian Steere
Oct 22, 2019 11:53 AM

Thankyou. I did not think to check the content of a false autofill before publishing it.
In order to generate the cookie for autofilling ‘johny’ I should have had to post a message as that identity on my Mac (in the normal course of events).
I did a site search to see if that has happened unknowingly before…
(18 legitimate posts to OG by johny conspiranoid but none recently).

I have not noticed any other weirdness apart from an email saying that that post:

https://off-guardian.org/2019/10/21/will-the-democratic-party-exist-after-2020-election/#comment-98927

– had been approved. I don’t know that I have ever had such an email approved response from OG before. (?)

Gezzah Potts
Gezzah Potts
Oct 22, 2019 12:38 PM
Reply to  Brian Steere

Hi again Brian. This is a reply to the comment you sent me just before as it hasn’t appeared on my phone yet. Yes, same as what happened with you with the name Johhny Conspiranoid in your autofill, I had a fellow commenter here at OffG, Hugh O’Neil and his email address appear in my autofill instead of my own name and email address. Found that really odd.
Yeah, weird things happening. Articles not appearing in real time, they seem frozen from hours and hours earlier and lots of comments missing from the article on my phone Compared to when I check that same article at an Internet cafe.
Will try nottheonly1 advice about erasing cookies and dumping browsing cache.
NOTE: these issues have only happened with Offguardian site. They havn’t happened at other sites I’ve recently commented on, including Caitlin Johnstone, Mintpress News, etc.
I know we’re being monitored by ‘certain people’ (the enemies of humanity if you will) who were probably the same people behind the recent DDoS attacks here, and attacks on us early this year, so, I dunno – I’m trying not to come across as paranoid, but this has been going on for few days now. Sorry for lengthy reply, hope your day goes well, and the weather is relatively nice in your part of England, cheers….

Brian Steere
Brian Steere
Oct 22, 2019 3:15 PM
Reply to  Gezzah Potts

Thanks for clarifying.
Well there may well be all sorts of people doing all sorts of things to push a particular narrative and agenda. I cant live their lives for them.
I feel that if an error or point of compromise is uncovered – then it can be corrected. A teen hacker could play around and seem to be anyone we project them to be – so I would leave it open and not react to imaginary scenarios. Better to focus in what is worthy – in my opinion.
Your apology for the time you spend in the way you want makes no sense to me! Perhaps you meant that opening a simple personal sharing found more to say than reporting some facts. But that is also living this day well – isn’t it?

Gezzah Potts
Gezzah Potts
Oct 22, 2019 2:17 AM
Reply to  Brian Steere

Brian, the same thing has been happening with my phone. My phone is freezing the stories at specific points so on the actual page here, there are 29 comments. On my phone now, it shows just 8 comments this story, and your comment plus Nottheonly1 reply and your other comments do not appear on my phone. Same with other stories the last few days at OffG. Descrepancy in what is on my phone compared to when I look at the same story in an internet cafe. I went to post a comment on the ISIS resurgence story and Hugh O’Neill’s name and email address appeared on my autofill instead of my own name. Making this comment in a cafe.

Brian Steere
Brian Steere
Oct 22, 2019 11:26 AM
Reply to  Gezzah Potts

We access through different networks, different operating systems and browsers, so some issues can be a lack of refreshing of content from an ISP’s proxy – for example – or even our own cache.
When you say the same has been happening for you – do you mean someone ELSE’s information autofilling your reply field?
Or simply weird behaviours?

Sophie - Admin1
Admin
Sophie - Admin1
Oct 22, 2019 11:55 AM
Reply to  Brian Steere

Can anyone experiencing this email us at [email protected]

Tim Jenkins
Tim Jenkins
Oct 25, 2019 10:47 AM

I communicated my experiences, before & during down time: please check your email for contact & submissions, to crosscheck and as test of functionality.

If they were not received, (3 emails) I can forward copies to the above email address, though I neither trust Gmail nor Yahoo (who I use, but have proven themselves compromised @Key moments, in the past).

You should already have from me, 3 emails, from an independent private email & servers: Please confirm receipt.

Grafter
Grafter
Oct 21, 2019 12:01 PM

“And yet, fellow Americans, it is curious to consider that there was no outrage after the 911 attacks in 2001 from any member of Congress, President Bush or the Corporate Media that the US intelligence community had utterly failed in its mission to keep the American public safe.”

There was also no outrage that reinforced steel structural skyscrapers could suddenly collapse in freefall and disintegrate in front of a awestruck public. America can never be safe whether under a Democratic or Republican banner. It is a circus on which a frenzied media feeds and the never ending array of performing acts reduces their audience to the role of passive and docile spectators. The entire USA political system of government has been totally corrupted, is in decline and terminally ill for the foreseeable future.

Fair dinkum
Fair dinkum
Oct 21, 2019 10:22 AM

Have they ever been ‘political parties’?
They are instruments of expedience for the ruling class.
They are the filthy facade of ‘democracy’
They are golden stepping stones for ambitious self aggrandisement.
They are a joke. On the people.

Brian Steere
Brian Steere
Oct 22, 2019 12:32 PM
Reply to  Fair dinkum

Venting the spleen can get thumbs up – because a lot of people have a lot of anger – from a deep sense of betrayal or treachery. Where to go with that?

Who or what exactly is the ruling class? It isn’t simply an aristocracy now.
How much is self-interest running along established identities in fear of loss from change?
Is their more to human society than lies and deceits?
Is hatred and vengeance the solution – or the nature of the problem?

I also hate the loss of trust and sharing in life to a fakery you cant even send up – but at what point is blaming hate serving more than a shift of energy in our private worldview?

Democracy depends on a free press and an accountable and transparent society.
It depends on responsibility for being informed as well as for giving honest information.

Running on auto-pilot – is using others as a basis of following and then blaming them for your choice?
A lot of this is inherited or acquired habit in reaction to inheritance.
Did Soros the child experience horror and blame it on nationalism to set his life in hate and vengeance set upon them?
Nothing but loving to hate can set such a blind ‘righteous’ agenda.

Nationalism can be blamed for many ills – but beneath that is identity as a sense of self in a world of horrors – that society masks over – perhaps with the very attempt to escape or overcome them.

I don’t think that we do not have the answers, so much as we each have to uncover them in ourselves through our own living. We cant just run on old ‘answers’ – perhaps because too may hide in the form of them for them to mean anything anymore.

Democracy in the sense of having a voice in the decisions that affect us – cant just be a vote – but a process of communication – inner and outer both.
I look at the power of words and see that rule can also rule out.
What can rule out my capacity to communicate more effectively than an attempt to overrule it by emotionally polarised reaction?

There are many who may seek to frame or bait me into division – but finally it is my call as to where I give acceptance and if I make a mistake – I can learn from it.

If ‘They are lying to us!’ has merit – what is the next step?
Recognition of illusion as illusion is THE condition for curiosity to rise with regard to what then IS true!

Seamus Padraig
Seamus Padraig
Oct 21, 2019 7:34 AM

Langley’s takeover of the Democratic Party is now complete: https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2018/03/07/dems-m07.html

Tutisicecream
Tutisicecream
Oct 21, 2019 5:30 AM

Tulsi Gabbard, “Hillary & her gang of rich, powerful elite are going after me to send a msg to YOU: “Shut up, toe the line, or be destroyed.”

https://secure.actblue.com/donate/tulsi-take-back-party?refcode=tw191020

This fight back is being buried by the media everywhere. Including the devious “end is nigh” sandwich board known as the Guardian. Tulsi, excluding her anti war stance, would seem to tick most of the boxes they espouse. Yet they never mention her. How strange is that?

Or maybe not so strange given the Graun’s foreign policy [here feel free to name just about all the WMSM] stance, which is straight out of the CIA/MI6 play book.

Tutisicecream
Tutisicecream
Oct 21, 2019 5:46 AM
Reply to  Tutisicecream

See also Caitlin Johnson:

https://medium.com/@caityjohnstone/russian-asset-is-a-meaningless-noise-war-pigs-make-with-their-face-holes-c883685ad4c

The pigs are squealing for Russiagate 2. infinitude…

Harry Stotle
Harry Stotle
Oct 21, 2019 11:38 AM
Reply to  Tutisicecream

Gabbard, like Assange has been unpersoned by the Guardian.

This way opposition to neoliberal hegenomy evaporates if the MSM do not report it.

And a journalist is not being tortured in a British security facility if the MSM do not report it.

Syme does not exit – he never existed. To say otherwise is thoughtcrime.

eddie
eddie
Oct 21, 2019 6:38 PM
Reply to  Harry Stotle

Ah yes, the Guardian. It is still in business? Remember ‘you tell us’? Ha !
For those of us in China, all British media is blocked, which is both good and bad..
Fortunately, the Independent’s Fisk & Cockburn are available elsewhere (Counterpunch).
To go even further off-topic, Le Carre has a new one coming out, icymi.. Cheers !

harry stotle
harry stotle
Oct 21, 2019 8:46 PM
Reply to  eddie

Oh, yes,still purveying the usual bullshit – always a niche in the market for an intelligence asset masquerading as independent media platform.

SharonM
SharonM
Oct 21, 2019 5:01 AM

Good article, thank you:)

The Democratic Party is a pro-war, CIA-infested, human-trafficking-child-raping, atomic bomb dropping, coup-making, drone-murdering, neo-McCarthyite party, which compliments the pro-war, CIA-infested, human-trafficking-child-raping, crusade-loving, coup-making, drone-murdering, 9/11 orchestrating Republican Party. I hope both parties cease to exist;)

Seamus Padraig
Seamus Padraig
Oct 21, 2019 7:32 AM
Reply to  SharonM

The Cliff Notes version of contemporary American politics right here!

nottheonly1
nottheonly1
Oct 21, 2019 9:42 PM
Reply to  SharonM

That sums it up very nicely. I could have saved myslef writing my more detailed response. But since Uruguay is experiencing rolling blackouts, my response that I had started when I was the first, did not get through until moments ago. There are elections at the end of the month here and thus far Uruguay was governed by Frente Amplio, the closest to a social democratic party. But Herman Pompeo et al sure would prefer a more fascist regime here, the likes the U.S. supported in the 70’s in Uruguay. When the former President Pepe Mujica was incarcerated and tortured under U.S. supervision.

mark
mark
Oct 21, 2019 4:35 AM

Will any of the major parties survive in their present form after the next election?
The Democrats and Republicans, Labour and the Tories in the UK. Merkel, Macron, the EU.
The legacy fake MSM is dying on its feet, its credibility and integrity long since shredded.
The spooks and secret police organisations, arrogant, corrupt, self serving and incompetent.
The same applies to all institutions, the monarchy, the civil police, parliaments, financial organisations.
Stolen referendum results.
Blanket surveillance and snooping on ordinary people.
Endless corruption scandals.
When systems lose legitimacy, they can collapse overnight, gone with the wind, like GDR in 1989.
The situation now is so volatile and unstable that anything is possible.
All existing structures could be swept away overnight.
Everything is becoming increasingly turbulent and unstable.
Anything can happen from one day to the next.

Antonym
Antonym
Oct 21, 2019 4:08 AM

Probably but any actually democratic nation deserves at least one mayor opposition party that can take over through elections when the ruling club gets too complacent – or too easily int symbioses with their own deep state. This happens usually after 5 to 8 years.