The Syrian Army in Idlib

Philip Roddis

This video may cause distress. Taken by their Isis captors in May 2016, it shows the humiliation of two Syrian soldiers prior to their roadside execution. Now read on …

Michael Hudson, described by former Reagan appointee Paul Craig Roberts as the greatest living economist, is clear on the problem US imperialism has faced since Vietnam. Mobilising large conscript armies to fight for Wall Street in foreign lands is no longer politically feasible.

That reality, says Professor Hudson, obliges the Pentagon to pursue its never ending wars on the global south in two interlinked ways. One is the use of state of the art death technologies which not only avoid the need for boots on the ground – a surefire vote loser – but have the side benefit of enriching the military-industrial complex’s shareholders.

But since wars can seldom if ever be won entirely from the air, a second strategy is called for. I refer to the use of proxy forces. In the middle east and (less well known) Muslim areas of China and Russia, these absolutely include armed jihadists.

Those whose understanding of US led wars in the region is shaped entirely by corporate media may well find the counterintuitive, Orwellian nature of Hudson’s second observation too much to take in. That does not make it untrue, however. Likewise his depiction of Isis, Al Qaeda et al as “America’s foreign legion”.

Cue for another commentator often quoted on this site. Writing yesterday on his blog, Stephen Gowans had this to say:

We should applaud the Syrian military’s actions in Idlib, not deplore them

Imagine journalists deploring the Allies’ liberation of Europe because the project created refugees, and you’ll understand US news media’s reaction to the prospect of the Syrian military liberating Idlib from a branch of Al Qaeda. Implicit in the condemnation is support for the status quo, since any realistic attempt to end an occupation will trigger a flight of civilians from a war zone. What is in fact support for continued occupation by reactionaries, and their imposition of a terrorist mini-state on three million Syrians, is slyly presented by the US news media as concern for the welfare of Syrian civilians.

On February 20, Wall Street Journal ran an article on what it said could be the “biggest humanitarian horror story of the 21st century,” namely, the advance of the Syrian military into Idlib, “backed by Russian airstrikes and pro-Iranian militias” which has “forced the flight of some 900,000 people” as Syrian President Bashar al-Assad vows “to retake every inch of Syria.”

To illustrate the so-called impending horror, Journal reporter Raja Abdulrahim follows “Amro Akoush and his family” as they flee “their home in northwest Syria with no time to pack a bag and no vehicle to escape the machine-gun fire and falling bombs.”

“I feel like this is the end, the army will advance and kill us all and that will be the end of the story,” Abdulrahim quotes Akoush as saying. “We no longer have hope for anything other than a quick death, that’s it. That’s all we ask for.”

In Abdulrahim’s narrative, Assad is a tyrant setting in motion a humanitarian catastrophe to satisfy his urge (are we to construe it as greed?) to “retake” every inch of his country (not recover or liberate it.) Assad’s foil, his nemesis in this tale, is Turkey’s president Recep Tayyip Erdogan, presented as the personification of the calvary [sic] rushing to the aid of hapless Syrian civilians, by dispatching tanks across the Turk-Syrian border.

Erdogan, Abdulrahim writes, “has threatened to launch a full attack on Syrian government forces if Mr. Assad doesn’t halt the military offensive. Turkey has sent more than 10,000 troops and more than 2,000 pieces of artillery, tanks and armored vehicles into Idlib.”

It all seems fairly simple: Assad is a brute who has launched a military offensive “to defeat the remnants” of Syria’s “armed opposition”, sparking a humanitarian catastrophe in embryo, while Erdogan, our hero, acts to stay the tyrant’s hand.

It’s a good story, but wrong. The “armed opposition” is not a group of plucky liberal democrats fighting for freedom, but Al Qaeda; Turkey is not the calvary [sic] but a foreign aggressor with designs on Syria that has long backed Al Qaeda as its proxy in Idlib; and Erdogan’s goal isn’t to rescue Syrians from a tyrant, but to impose a Turkish tyranny by proxy on Idlib. All of this has been reported previously in the US news media, including in Abdulrahim’s own Wall Street Journal, but has since been lost down to the memory hole. Additionally, other realities have been minimized, including the continued Al Qaeda attacks on the Syrian military and Syrian civilians.

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Vierotchka
Vierotchka
Mar 1, 2020 10:40 PM

1 Mar 2020

Tulsi Gabbard posted a video on social media, directed to US President Trump, and addressing Erdogan’s latest games in Syria, calling on Trump to “make it clear to NATO and Erdogan that the United States will not be dragged into a war with Russia by the aggressive, Islamist, expansionist dictator of Turkey, a so-called ‘NATO’ ally.”

paul
paul
Feb 27, 2020 11:06 PM

22 Turks who had no business being in Syria in the first place have just been sent to Allah.
Hopefully the first of many.
Is it wrong to say that?
Look at the video and decide for yourself.

paul
paul
Feb 27, 2020 11:11 PM
Reply to  paul

Correction, 29.
It gets better.

Dungroanin
Dungroanin
Feb 26, 2020 3:40 PM

A very revealing confession of a msm journo – even if a bit of a ‘limited hangout’ smell. (Picked up via comment on MoA)
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/opinion/2020/02/24/syria-world-collectively-lost-humanity/

Amongst the revelation that they were prepped for the attack in 2010 or before is the stunning confession she was having a high life in Beirut wine bars after spending a day getting whatsapp etc images and videos showing from the jihadi side of the invasion of Syria – which she and presumably her colleagues in the media used to ship the lies back with their byelines as cover for not actually witnessing the war.

She references the Douma lies with “The images were all too familiar ” no shit Sherlock they came from the same famous WH studios!

& ends with
“It’s a hard thing for a journalist to acknowledge, looking back on a body of work, to realise it has had so little impact.
At least, I try to tell myself, we have been on the right side of history.”

Lies. A whiff of self realisation . Total Self pity and back to total denial.

No ticker tape parades for her likes and compromised careers and consciences. Such is the fate of the modern presstitutes in all their media incarnations and I for one will never let them forget it.

Zoran Aleksic
Zoran Aleksic
Mar 3, 2020 8:35 AM
Reply to  Dungroanin

This article was for medicinal use. To all those constipated, it will bring instant relief.

Richard Le Sarc
Richard Le Sarc
Feb 26, 2020 7:15 AM

At the very beginning of the takfiri assault, the ‘Freedom-loving rebels’ captured a Syrian Army post on the border with Iraq. The Iraqis reported how these ‘Jeffersonian democrats’ set about beheading all their prisoners, and the Western MSM vermin batted not an eye-lid.

Jihadi Colin
Jihadi Colin
Feb 26, 2020 2:58 AM

A simple question: if all these millions/billions of civilians are “streaming towards the border” to “escape Assad”, how are they doing it? Along the roads? Then how come the Ottomans are sending their jihadis and war criminals along with armour into Syria down those same roads? Do they teleport over those trillions of fleeing civilians, or something?

falcemartello
falcemartello
Feb 26, 2020 12:49 AM

Same as it ever was: Lawrence of Arabia redux post modernismo anyone

JudyJ
JudyJ
Feb 26, 2020 12:05 AM

Before even watching this heart-breaking footage, just from looking at the still image at the top of the article, I was filled with immense sadness and despair. The vivid and forlorn awareness in the eyes of these young, brave, and innocent soldiers, their dignity belying their age, as their inevitable fate approached highlighted the sacrifice made by them and thousands of others like them (not to mention thousands of civilian Assad supporters). All ‘martyred’ at the corrupt will of evil Western sponsors of terrorism.

Justice MUST be seen to be done for these victims and their families.

Ken Kenn
Ken Kenn
Feb 25, 2020 10:57 PM

I reckon the idea was that when the Syrian Army won over a city or a big town there were ‘ negotiations’ between the Syrians?Russians and the US and their acolytes to get the ISIS people away from the re-captured areas.

All buses led to Idlib.

The idea?

To form a Big warehouse of ISIS for future use in another try at toppling Assad.

The warehouse is being closed down and I’ll just use an old chestnut the West always uses:

ISIS are using the population as human shields.

I’ll guarantee that ISIS are threatening people who want to leave.

I’ll also guarantee that the media won’t report that fact.

Brian Eggar
Brian Eggar
Feb 25, 2020 8:59 PM

Did you read recently of the ISIS brigade commander in charge of 200 psychopaths who was found in France masquerading as a student on the Erasmus programme.

This all has very little to do with religion but all to do with money and the adrenaline rush from killing.

America sends 2000 of these I was going to say fighters but I am sure another word is appropriate by helicopter to Afghanistan whilst Erdogan sends 2000 to Libya and Saudi Arabia sends 2000 to Yemen.

I will be glad when Assad assisted by Putin has regained his borders and the country can go back to rebuilding all the senseless carnage. I believe America and NATO after levelling Mosul and Raqqa has just left the bodies to rot in the ruins, all this while the western media quotes the plight of the refugees and using quotes from the White Helmets to support their case.

Either these journalists are dumb or will say whatever somebody pays them to say.

Meanwhile Julian Assange a real journalist with a stitched up court purporting to show British Justice at its worst faces extradition to a life sentence in America and if like Chelsea Manning being woken up every twenty minutes during the night. That is outright torture.

Richard Le Sarc
Richard Le Sarc
Feb 25, 2020 9:14 PM
Reply to  Brian Eggar

Brian. the presstitutes are generally BOTH imbeciles and paid liars.

paul
paul
Feb 25, 2020 11:10 PM
Reply to  Brian Eggar

Most “ISIS” commanders are Mossad agents called Moshe Shlomo or something similar.
ISIS is a 100% kosher product.

Dungroanin
Dungroanin
Feb 25, 2020 6:06 PM

The developing facts on the ground are not being reported ANYWHERE in most western media.

The twitter feed of one who was that I put up on Off-G last week suddenly got cut!

Luckily there are many more.

Here is ‘Syrian Girl’ being failed to be allowed to respond on Pakistan TV as a very American sounding Syrian is allowed to rant nonstop when ever it was her turn to speak!
The propaganda to make Pakistanis hate Assad and support the jihadis and their backers is very high. Imran Khans true colurs are showing.

Syrian Girl Flag of Syria
@Partisangirl
·
12h
I’m very disappointed that my answers for the first and last part of the debate about the invasion of my county was entirely cut out
@indusdotnews
. Who is responsible for this?

News Wire with Ayza Omar | Afghan Truce | Russia-Turkey Brinkmanship…
youtube.com

paul
paul
Feb 25, 2020 9:41 PM
Reply to  Dungroanin

When you talk to ordinary moslems, UK Pakistanis or whatever, it’s depressing how they immediately express visceral hatred for Shia when the subject comes up.
It’s pointless trying to argue with them that Zionists, imperial powers and others are just playing the same old dirty colonial game of divide and rule with them, and they’re going to get shafted yet again.
They either can’t grasp this or just don’t care.
They say, “Assad is a dictator, there’s no democracy,” or whatever.
So you say, okay, why don’t you start blowing things up in Saudi Arabia, is that a democracy?
Why is Saudi Arabia bankrolling the terrorist groups in Syria? Is it because they want to promote democracy?
They generally just seem confused then and storm off without replying.
Sad but true.

Dungroanin
Dungroanin
Feb 25, 2020 11:49 PM
Reply to  paul

There are shia mosques from sub continent british too!

They are usually much smaller and self funded by the community. Dwarfed by the mega Sunni places which are funded via the usual channels.

Martin Usher
Martin Usher
Feb 25, 2020 5:32 PM

Sharp eyed observers will have noticed that at no time is the Syrian Army referred to as such in most of the media. Its ‘regime troops supported by Russian military’ or some such description which roughly translates to ‘just another group competing for the space, a group bent on extinguishing democracy’ and so on.

This area is part of Syria and it was only a matter of time before the Syrian government asserted control over it. This was bound to happen sooner rather than later because it was being used as a base to attack other parts of Syria. If the cease fire had been observed then there would have been no fighting but the Syrian government would still have eventually assumed control because, well, its Syria, not Kosovo-2020.

norman wisdom
norman wisdom
Feb 25, 2020 5:28 PM

an old book called the empire of the city of london
a dead old soldier called smedley butlermethods deceloped by david sterling of the sas
the concepts of gangs counter gangs and pseudo gang by gerneral sir frank kitson
cia mi6 mossadicks
the oded yinon new mappa plans
the new temple
the new gmo animals red heffers

the talmud
the khazar ashkanazim pirates of the synagogue of satan

no jews left nearly all thieving fake magpie

the red beards and takfiri scum are becoming atomized soil by the hour

assad the SAA
must plough on
no more delays putin
tell you chabad crime inc friends to go to hell.

Behold, I will make them of the synagogue of Satan, which say they are Jews, and are not, but do lie; behold, I will make them to come and worship before thy feet, and to know that I have loved thee.

lundiel
lundiel
Feb 25, 2020 6:51 PM
Reply to  norman wisdom

“the talmud
the khazar ashkanazim pirates of the synagogue of satan”……in Misrata.

paul
paul
Feb 25, 2020 4:27 PM

May those two brave young men rest in peace, and may their families find some comfort.
They are heroes who died fighting to defend Syria against the most barbaric, subhuman terrorist filth in history, a huge head chopping and throat slitting jihadi army well over 100,000 strong, from over 100 countries, created, armed, trained, transported and orchestrated by all the leading state sponsors of terrorism, the US, UK, France, Turkey, Israel, and the Quisling Gulf Dictatorships.
These people have posted far worse videos than the one above. They have filmed themselves beheading children and cannibalising dead bodies. The whole cost of their 150 strong PR unit that filmed this atrocity was picked up by the UK taxpayer. After the experience of Chechnya, also orchestrated by the above sponsors, Putin rightly said that all you can do with these people is kill them. Wipe them out like rabid rats. We saw the same playbook in Libya. Exactly the same thing is planned for China with the Uighurs in the near future.
The scum of the earth was turned loose in Syria with a licence to murder, burn, torture, rape, enslave and loot to their hearts’ content, generously sponsored by the UK taxpayer to the tune of £3 billion. Qatar did just one arms deal with Croatia worth $5 billion to equip this filth. Saudi Arabia bought tanks for them from Ukraine, 100 at a time. Israel sent them thousands of tons of weapons and set up holiday camps for them on the Golan area, which Priti Patel wanted the UK taxpayer to pay for. They were much better equipped than the Syrian Army.
The (mainly Sunni) Syrian Army fought back against the UK’s proxies with 50 year old T54s and MIG21s and gradually defeated them with the help of their allies.
These people are less than filth, but the Priti Patels, the Camerons, the Mays, the Johnsons, the Le Mesuriers, the Erdogans, the Netanyahus, the Bin Salmans, all the professional MSM liars, the Alex Crawfords and Lyse Doucets and Luke Hardings and their ilk who slobber over them, are a thousand times worse. That is the true measure of the scum who rule over us.
Jo Cox was a terrorist groupie and a leading cheerleader for the White Helmets. It is ironic but entirely appropriate and richly deserved that she should herself die in an unrelated act of terrorism.
The Syrian Army and people will win through and survive, though at tremendous cost. Syria is like Stalingrad, the rock on which western imperialism and Zionist intrigue have foundered, and the consequences will take many years to work their way through the system, like ripples in a pond. All the scores and hundreds of billions that have been squandered to no effect. The terrorist Foreign Legion that has now been largely wiped out. The cost to all the state sponsors of terrorism. The tidal wave of millions of refugees destabilising Turkey and Europe, undermining the EU and a factor in Brexit. The weakening of Washington’s satraps in Qatar and Saudi Arabia. Yet another ill starred military adventure, its authors hoist by their own petard. The blowback like the Manchester Arena, only the first drops from a very bitter cup that will have to be drained to the dregs.

milosevic
milosevic
Feb 25, 2020 8:47 PM
Reply to  paul

Jo Cox was a terrorist groupie and a leading cheerleader for the White Helmets. It is ironic but entirely appropriate and richly deserved that she should herself die in an unrelated act of terrorism.

— roger that.

Richard Le Sarc
Richard Le Sarc
Feb 25, 2020 9:20 PM
Reply to  milosevic

We can’t go on celebrating the deaths of others, even air-headed, Blairites like Cox. Far better if she had grown a brain and a conscience and seen through the propaganda lies. I know it’s asking a lot, but miracles can happen.

paul
paul
Feb 26, 2020 6:20 PM

Why not? She was cheering on this filth. I shed no tears for her. I save my sympathy for the young men in the video and their families. She was enabling this scum and she can burn in hell for all I care.

Louis N. Proyect
Louis N. Proyect
Feb 25, 2020 2:12 PM

So interesting that some leftists can decry how Saudi Arabia is bombing hospitals in Yemen and then turn around and justify such barbarism in Idlib.

https://phr.org/news/physicians-for-human-rights-condemns-attacks-in-northwestern-syria/

Sophie - Admin1
Admin
Sophie - Admin1
Feb 25, 2020 2:19 PM

I think most informed people are not ‘justifying’ the bombing of hospitals in Idlib, they are questioning the entire reality of the meme. The sheer number of hospitals (or ‘last hospitals’) allegedly being destroyed has become so vast it’s become highly implausible and a source of satire. Someone made a good Youtube video about it, which we recommend

Philip Roddis
Philip Roddis
Feb 25, 2020 2:57 PM

Indeed. To which we can add that Louis’ comparison is invalid because Damascus is taking steps any sovereign government would to recover its country’s territory. Last time I checked, Yemen has never been part of Riyadh’s legitimate turf.

I get this weird sense of disconnect with Louis Proyect. On the one hand this is the man who sees that vile comment on Vanessa Beeley – and photoshopping the face of an interlocutor he took exception to onto an image of a cockroach – as valid debating method. The man who so often ‘argues’ by means of links to specious sources that don’t – on factual accuracy, logic and/or relevance grounds – withstand a moment’s careful scrutiny. As is the case here.

On the other hand I was only last night reading a really good CounterPunch piece by him on Malcolm X. It’s well reasoned, lucid and with a good balance of personal experience and objectivity. Had I not known that other Louis, I’d have wanted to meet the author and buy him a drink.

Weird.

George Mc
George Mc
Feb 25, 2020 5:01 PM
Reply to  Philip Roddis

I am similarly flummoxed. There’s even some good stuff on Louis’s website. I could agree with his essay “What in the world ever happened to Richard Seymour?” when he says that Seymour seems to write “less and less on his blog based on historical materialism and much more in the Lacanian psychoanalytic vein”. That seems spot on to me along with another article on the bullshit of Gareth Stedman Jones.

…and then he publishes an article on WSWS man David North with a grotesque irrelevant photo and such eloquent arguments against the WSWS as “If the CP was syphilis in Trotsky’s eyes, this tiny group is not much more than a case of the crabs.” It’s as if Karl Marx suddenly morphs into the Joe Pesci character from Goodfellas.

Jen
Jen
Feb 25, 2020 10:47 PM
Reply to  George Mc

As a long-time commenter here at Off-Guardian who on occasions has had a spray from other commenters – the latest was being told off for posting crap because I said that Iranian President Hassan Rouhani pursues neoliberal austerity measures and that the Iranian electorate might view Presidential elections as more important than legislative elections – I am all too familiar with debating people who seem polite and rational on the surface, until I stray onto a topic and touch a wrong button.

People invest a great deal of energy, emotion and passion into supporting a particular cause or topic, and will defend their position relentlessly if they believe it is right – even more so if others criticise it or evidence arrives that they might be wrong. The psychological stress that a worldview or mental paradigm you have grown up with, and invested in greatly, suddenly (and through no fault of your own) becomes less than truth, may be huge.

For many people, the possibility that their own nation could be governed by grubby criminals, and moreover has always been governed by grubby criminals, for which you and your family may have made enormous sacrifices, may be too much to bear. They might deal with that by projecting such notions onto other countries.

Equally, a nation that in the past overthrew a corrupt government and replaced it with a socialist government, and that new government turns out to be less than ideal and even has corrupt elements within, ends up being a scapegoat for the disillusionment and disappointment at the realisation that socialism, like all other political systems, needs to be a continuous work in progress where one cannot just stop and say “we’re a success” because the moment one says that, that is the moment where failure begins. Success can never be guaranteed.

Dungroanin
Dungroanin
Feb 25, 2020 5:53 PM
Reply to  Philip Roddis

Bet he wouldn’t have been supporting Malcolm X when he was alive, when it mattered.

All these Gandhi and Mandela sudden supporters – also happenned to Muhammed Ali when he dropped his slave name and refused to go to Vietnam – are two faced worm tongues.

You must never be seduced by their sudden passing truths.

Like a few do here too.

Philip Roddis
Philip Roddis
Feb 25, 2020 6:16 PM
Reply to  Dungroanin

Judge for yourself. The piece I refer to begins:

Watching the six-part documentary “Who Killed Malcolm X?” on Netflix stirred up powerful memories of how important he was to my political evolution. While the documentary is focused on exploring the Nation of Islam’s (NOI) role in his murder, it also sheds light on Malcolm’s post-NOI political odyssey. By creating a rival movement to the pseudo-Islamist sect, he risked a fatal encounter with four assassins on this date fifty-five years ago at the Audubon Ballroom in New York.

Just six weeks before his death, I heard Malcolm X speak at the Palm Gardens in New York. I went with my girlfriend Dian, who was on midterm break from Bard College, just like me …

You must never be seduced by the temptation to make sweeping generalisations, nor to view human beings in simplistic, binary terms. Of course, LP may be lying about going to see Malcolm X in 1965 when I was just 12. But I doubt it, and in any case would never assume that of another writer – however irritating and worse – without good cause. Till I know different, I’ll stick with my reading that LP is flaky as hell, but that doesn’t invalidate every word he writes. Do you know something I don’t? Why not go above the line with it, and take the heat? Much as I detest LP’s MO, I do have a kind of grudging respect for his willingness to go into the enemy camp and say his piece.

It’s a lot easier to take no risks and stay in our comfort zones.

lundiel
lundiel
Feb 25, 2020 7:30 PM
Reply to  Philip Roddis

“Flakey as hell”, possibly. I know he’s a hit-and-run merchant who doesn’t engage beyond the first statement. And I feel no respect for someone who doesn’t explain the ‘whys and wherefores’ but leaves the nagging suspicion of khazar, sockpuppet or Trot.

Philip Roddis
Philip Roddis
Feb 25, 2020 8:06 PM
Reply to  lundiel

Aw shucks, lundiel. You just nailed one of my few flaws as a human being – excessive kindness.

Seriously though, LP doesn’t always do hit and run. I had a protracted exchange with him on this site. I even got a blog post out of it.

Dungroanin
Dungroanin
Feb 25, 2020 8:28 PM
Reply to  Philip Roddis

Phillip R,

Of course I should have been absolutely precise in my insta comment, but then again I am not a professional writer or blogger.

So to try and clarify my hypothetical question was implying :

‘If Louis had been in his current standing reporting on Malcolm X then, could I expect an honest supportive position from him?’

My gut says no. Quite some time ago I took mods advise here to not engage with him and treat as a troll. DRDADE.

He does seem to be stalker on your pieces here and I’d rather not look into his recollection from 55 years ago as he “went with my girlfriend Dian, who was on midterm break “. Please don’t make me! 😫

Richard Le Sarc
Richard Le Sarc
Feb 25, 2020 9:39 PM
Reply to  Philip Roddis

I’d IMMEDIATELY suspect that he is lying.

Louis N. Proyect
Louis N. Proyect
Feb 25, 2020 9:29 PM
Reply to  Philip Roddis

Syria is about as “sovereign” as Pinochet’s Chile.

paul
paul
Feb 25, 2020 11:26 PM

Pinochet was a CIA stooge placed in power to serve corporate interests after years of US economic warfare and strangulation directed at Chile. “Make the economy scream.”
Assad and Syria have been targeted for destruction precisely because Syria is not a US satellite, Assad is not a US satrap, and Syria has an independent national bank.
If Assad was a puppet ruler like Washington’s satrap Bonesaw Bin Salman, he would be propped up along with all the petty Gulf Dictatorships. All the concerns about “democracy” or “human rights” would instantly evaporate.

paul
paul
Feb 26, 2020 9:57 PM
Reply to  Philip Roddis

It’s amazing just how many s**t-for-brains Counterpunch style faux Leftists there are, always frothing at the mouth like a rabid Rotweiler as they shill for the latest Zionist Regime Change adventure and humanitarian bombing.

Louis N. Proyect
Louis N. Proyect
Feb 25, 2020 9:28 PM

Your reply would have more traction if this website ever took Assad to task. In contrast, when CounterPunch gives a platform 75 percent of the time to people like Roddis, and 25 percent to people like me, it gets accused by the Assadist left of being a tool of the CIA because it is not 100 percent for the dictatorship. Ridiculous.

Richard Le Sarc
Richard Le Sarc
Feb 26, 2020 7:24 AM

But you are 100% for the salafist butchers-it does your ‘credibility’ no good at all.

Starac
Starac
Feb 26, 2020 7:02 PM

What on earth is going on with these comments? Do you guys really believe it is one person behind LP? A group like this employs all tools: misinformation, destruction , noise, carrots, sticks, provocations, …..

Philip Roddis
Philip Roddis
Feb 25, 2020 2:34 PM

Would that be the seventy hospitals in Idlib, Louis? Funny you should mention them. Here’s Mid East Discourse responding today to a Sky News piece four days ago.

lundiel
lundiel
Feb 25, 2020 4:47 PM

Ninety-nine Syrian hospitals
Floating in the summer sky
Panic bells, it’s red alert
There’s something here from somewhere else
The war machine springs to life
Opens up one eager eye
Focusing it on the sky
Where ninety-nine Syrian hospitals go by

Ninety-nine Decision Street
Ninety-nine ministers meet
To worry, worry, super scurry
Call the troops out in a hurry
This is what we’ve waited for

This is it, boys, this is war

paul
paul
Feb 25, 2020 4:48 PM

I haven’t heard anyone decrying bombed hospitals in Yemen, that is wholly reserved for Syria. Nor the 63,000 Yemeni children who died in one year. Nor the 1.2 million cases of cholera. They don’t exist. Just a figment of the imagination, all airbrushed out of the MSM. No Baanas in Yemen. No Dusty Boys in Yemen. No White Helmets in Yemen. Nothing to see. Nothing happening there. They are Unpeople, like the Palestinians. You can’t expect the Alex Crawfords and the Lyse Doucets and the Jeremy Bowens to bother their little geads with things like Yemen.

milosevic
milosevic
Feb 25, 2020 8:52 PM
Reply to  paul

— where’s Louis Proyect when you need him?

Louis N. Proyect
Louis N. Proyect
Feb 25, 2020 9:38 PM
Reply to  paul

I haven’t heard anyone decrying bombed hospitals in Yemen, that is wholly reserved for Syria

You didn’t seem to grasp my point. Global Research, the mother-ship of Assadist conspiracy theory, has 23,700 links on Yemen, all of them along the lines of “Yemen: the Silent Slaughter”. If you do a search on Idlib there, all you get is “Syria Military Operation to Liberate Idlib Has Begun. Estimated 40,000 Terrorists in Idlib”. This is not to be taken seriously. It makes the Stalinist press of the 1930s look saintly by comparison.

paul
paul
Feb 25, 2020 11:31 PM

Global Research has nothing to do with the MSM, thank God. If it did, it would parrot all their lies that you wish to champion.

milosevic
milosevic
Feb 26, 2020 3:49 AM

where’s Louis Proyect when you need him?

— speak of the devil, and he shall appear.

Jen
Jen
Feb 26, 2020 4:12 AM
Reply to  milosevic

That’s why I don’t talk about that other troll, the one who championed Yassin el Haj Saleh until I discovered the Syrian “activist” admitted in an op ed for The New York Times that he lived with the White Helmets for a brief period in 2013 before heading off to Raqqa in August that year, leaving his wife Samira Khalil with some friends, all of whom were later captured by ISIS and whose whereabouts are now unknown. After that, the troll hasn’t been the same smarmy wiseguy since, though he appears now and again.

Richard Le Sarc
Richard Le Sarc
Feb 26, 2020 7:26 AM

No-it follows the anti-salafist, anti-Wahhabist butchers line, whereas you are a fervent liar for those monsters, and, in my opinion, complicit through propaganda, before and after the act, in their crimes.

norman wisdom
norman wisdom
Feb 25, 2020 7:35 PM

Louis
Louis
Louis

and his israhell heil
epstein weinstein projects

hows your dad
rita katz?

Richard Steele
Richard Steele
Feb 25, 2020 9:15 PM

Hilarious as ever, Louie. Don’t you go changing!

Richard Le Sarc
Richard Le Sarc
Feb 25, 2020 9:21 PM

One really does wonder what perverted psycho-sexual rewards are garnered from supporting the vilest salafist butchers imaginable. Proyectile vomitus at its most sordid.

Gezzah Potts
Gezzah Potts
Feb 25, 2020 11:37 AM

I watched SBS News tonight to see what coverage of the Julian Assange extradition hearing was on, and this story on the liberation of Idlib came up next.
The ‘report’ showed a family in some sort of shelter, and the reporter (of the Operation Mockingbird variety) began his crap… ‘this family cowers in fear as the regimes forces creep ever closer’…
I swore at the TV and hit the off button.
How many years has there been of lies and bullshit about Syria, straight out complicity in war crimes and cheering on jihadist headchoppers as… ‘moderate rebels fighting for democracy’.
Fawning over the White Helmet filth as heroes who save little babies. Like all the do gooder liberals do.
I told a friend years ago this was all about regime change, and that ISIS, Al Qaeda and all the other terrorists swarming across Syria were funded, armed and trained by the American Empire, the CIA, MI6, Turkey, Saudi Arabia, Israel, the UAE, Qatar.
I pointed out all this terror had been planned after 9/11 to install a pliant puppet regime in Syria.
His response was: ‘that sounds like a conspiracy theory to me’.
He reads The Guardian as my other friends do.
When the staged chemical weapons attacks occurred in Syria, my friends automatically believed the version spewed out by the likes of The Guardian and ABC.
That video clip at the beginning… those young men. Dead, like so many others in that country.
Appreciate this Philip and Stephen.

Frank
Frank
Feb 25, 2020 12:01 PM
Reply to  Gezzah Potts

Regarding your guardian-chugging gullible Pavlovian friends, this must be a painfully familiar situation for many of us here. Your respect for such people ebbs away to nothing. How much longer can you ignore it and still count them among your friends? Whilst their capacity for burying their heads in sand is apparently inexhaustible, yours isn’t – and that’s why you’re here, after all.

I’d welcome the accusation I’m being intolerant, absolutist and overbearing, that there’s another way to look at this. But is there?

Willem
Willem
Feb 25, 2020 5:04 PM
Reply to  Frank

It is good to at least have friends with who you can discuss such issues, even though they may not be as informed as you are because they read the ‘lofty’ Guardian, etc.

The thing is to not lose your temper over so much gullibility and feel no anger over the fact that they think that you are gullible into believing ‘conspiracy theories’

In terms of Syria there are 2 code words you can use.

1. Timber Sycamore (even Wikipedia has a page on this ‘operation’ that explains that the rebels are CIA sponsored mercenaries
2. Timber sycamore Jeff Sachs (Jeff Sachs is the man who made this operation knowledgeable in the mainstream, which you can google)

Not sure if your friends would look this up. But they may be curious and maybe sort things out for themselves.

wardropper
wardropper
Feb 25, 2020 6:18 PM
Reply to  Willem

It’s a tough issue really. My own mother would simply never have believed that what she considered to be an elected government could be guilty of evil deeds, but she was still my mother. In her own way, she was curious about certain things and wanted to educate herself about them, but they were not the same things which I am curious about, and politics just wasn’t on her list.
Then there is also the pretty obvious fact that people are born with different levels of awareness. None of Johann Sebastian Bach’s many children achieved his brilliant heights of artistry, craftsmanship and creativity, and I think most of us who read OffG are similarly well aware that many in our own families don’t know what we are talking about when we get serious about the abominations committed by our so-called “representatives”.
If one is inclined to consider Karma as a thing in one’s life, then it would also be very natural to consider the idea that people can have a great wealth of previous experience behind them, or hardly any at all… I try to view that scenario with a fair smattering of compassion.

Orage
Orage
Feb 25, 2020 9:21 PM
Reply to  wardropper

Wardropper
“None of Johann Sebastian Bach’s many children achieved his brilliant heights of artistry, craftsmanship and creativity..”
Come on! You can’t expect every genius of the highest order to have even more brilliant offsprings otherwise mankind would spiral out of control. Rather look at the achievement that two of his offsprings came off very well with reputations of excellence of their own CPE and JC, despite being under the shadow of such a great father.

wardropper
wardropper
Feb 26, 2020 2:20 AM
Reply to  Orage

That’s exactly my point. I precisely DON’T expect genius to be handed down like that. CPE and JC were excellent (well-trained and experienced), but they lived in a different world from their father, and entirely different things mattered to them.
Similarly, the essential emphasis found in OffG is of considerable importance to me, yet there are many people for whom it makes no sense at all. Why is it important to me? Because I am not my father, or my mother. I have come to my personal conclusions about the matter.
In any case, although the Bach children apparently considered their father to be very old-fashioned, their opinion in no way detracts from the far-greater impact which their father’s output still has on music lovers in 2020.
All this was simply to point out that the source of adult people’s opinions is more their own experience than what they have been told by others.

wardropper
wardropper
Feb 26, 2020 2:24 AM
Reply to  wardropper

My last paragraph assumes we are talking about intelligent adult people, since the less intelligent find it burdensome to distinguish between honesty and propaganda.

Richard Le Sarc
Richard Le Sarc
Feb 25, 2020 9:48 PM
Reply to  wardropper

A number of Bach’s sons were good or even great composers, but there’s only on JS Bach.

Jen
Jen
Feb 26, 2020 1:59 AM
Reply to  wardropper

On the other hand, the family known as the British Royals unfailingly demonstrates mediocrity and a nose for sniffing out money and friends in high places (regardless of those friends’ other activities) from one generation to the next.

Gezzah Potts
Gezzah Potts
Feb 25, 2020 9:27 PM
Reply to  Willem

Few years ago, I pointed them to the work of Vanessa Beeley, Eva Bartlett, Moon Of Alabama, Strategic Culture, etc, and the response was:
‘they’re too friendly with Assad they seem to support his regime’.
Therefore, all the brilliant analytical work of those independent reporters was deemed not legitimate.
But the presstitutes in rags like The Guardian were deemed trustworthy and legitimate.
Appreciate your reply W.

Gezzah Potts
Gezzah Potts
Feb 25, 2020 9:18 PM
Reply to  Frank

Appreciate your reply Frank. Its something that troubles me, and my respect for them is nowhere near it was years ago when I first met them.
Principally due to the issues of Syria and Julian Assange but also about the Capitalist system itself. You’re right.
And you’re not being intolerant or absolutist.
What is being done round the world in our name, the breathtaking evil.. (just refer to the above video as one of hundreds of examples).

milosevic
milosevic
Feb 25, 2020 11:10 PM
Reply to  Frank

Your respect for such people ebbs away to nothing. How much longer can you ignore it and still count them among your friends? … I’d welcome the accusation I’m being intolerant, absolutist and overbearing, that there’s another way to look at this. But is there?

It’s unpleasant to have to consider the degree of paralytic stupidity that would be necessary, for anyone to believe that describing some idea as a “conspiracy theory” is sufficient to refute it. It’s even more distasteful to recall that they didn’t even come up with this idiocy by themselves, but merely suckled it from the warm and inviting teats of the CIA’s Mighty Wurlitzer.

https://wikispooks.com/wiki/Conspiracy_theory

My own feelings for such people passed by “contempt” quite some time ago (perhaps when they happily accepted Operation MK-CHOMSKY as the final word on the 9/11 event), and currently could only be adequately described as “disgust” and “revulsion”. I feel slimy just from talking to them; fortunately, the slime quickly washes off once I’m free from their presence. I certainly don’t need any “friends” who subject me to such intellectual and moral filth.

the following link may provide some cynical amusement, of the sort occasioned by accidentally stepping in dogsh**:

https://www.cia.gov/library/readingroom/search/site/conspiracy%20theory

milosevic
milosevic
Feb 25, 2020 11:32 PM
Reply to  milosevic

… the lady doth protest too much, methinks.

New Film Promotes “Right Wing Plot” Theory of Kennedy Assassination

milosevic
milosevic
Feb 25, 2020 11:39 PM
Reply to  milosevic

*** Executive Action (1973) ***

https://www.dailymotion.com/video/x3uhs0j

Richard Le Sarc
Richard Le Sarc
Feb 25, 2020 9:43 PM
Reply to  Gezzah Potts

SBS has been the WORST of all the salafist fan-boys and girls. Really, really, intense lying and vicious anti-Syrian Government hatred, from day one to now. I often wonder why. Saudi money? Zionist pressure? Or just the usual presstitute Groupthink taken to repulsive depths. I’d dearly love to see one of their feminazi voice-over hysterics spend a year or two as a guest of their ‘rebel’ salafist idols.

milosevic
milosevic
Feb 26, 2020 3:54 AM

I’d dearly love to see one of their feminazi voice-over hysterics spend a year or two as a guest of their ‘rebel’ salafist idols.

— but didn’t you just say, “We can’t go on celebrating the deaths of others, even air-headed, Blairites like Cox”?

Richard Le Sarc
Richard Le Sarc
Feb 26, 2020 11:53 PM
Reply to  milosevic

As I said, and was somehow construed to be inadmissable, you’ve got me dead to rights there. I should really say something like ‘I hope the feminazi head-chopper fan-girls get to spend some time as ‘wives’ of the vermin, dressed in black, head to toe, and taking second or third priority after the latest sex-slaves’. Killing is really not the way to go, even for air-heads like Cox. She was plainly just a ‘useful idiot’ Blairite.

Gezzah Potts
Gezzah Potts
Feb 26, 2020 6:03 AM

I only watched the last 2 nights for any coverage about Julian Assange.
Um…. ding doing… Wikileaks Facebook page.
TV will not be on tonight. Period.
There’d be more truth and reality on My Kitchen Rules than the fake crap on SBS purporting to be ‘news’.
The ‘reporter’ (oxymoron) for last night’s story on Idlib was Quentin Somerville whose name rings a bell. Former Dateline presenter?
These pricks sit in Sydney or London or New York and get fed this crap by scum like Elliott Higgins or the White Helmets PR, or the CIA.
Um, didn’t Frank Lowry have a close connection with SBS? You know… That Frank Lowry.

Richard Le Sarc
Richard Le Sarc
Feb 26, 2020 7:34 AM
Reply to  Gezzah Potts

Haganah Frank? One-issue Frank? Lowy Institute Frank? That Frank?

Gezzah Potts
Gezzah Potts
Feb 26, 2020 9:25 PM

Yes!! That very same Frank.

Richard Le Sarc
Richard Le Sarc
Feb 28, 2020 9:24 PM
Reply to  Gezzah Potts

Utterly despicable Guardian editorial today, accusing Syria and Russia of targeting pre-schools and primary schools, this time. Ten or eleven if I remember the sludge correctly. Pray God that somehow these vermin face justice one day for propaganda service in the cause of aggression and genocide, and get the Streicher treatment they so richly deserve-commuted to life in SuperMax.

Gezzah Potts
Gezzah Potts
Feb 29, 2020 1:14 AM

Jesus…. This is just outrageous. Filth. Filth. Filth. Another prime example as why I won’t look at or read their bullshit ( except for the 2 nights at the start of the week for coverage about Julian Assange).
I’ve a good mind to post some very strongly worded comments on Mzz Red Queen – Van Badham Facebook page, but they’d be automatically deleted.
There’s probably trigger words like Syria or Julian Assange or Wikileaks that gets your comment disappeared.
Don’t want the biodynamic hand washed Quinoa crowd in a tizzy over being confronted with any uncomfortable news….
The fecken hypocrisy of these creatures.

Vierotchka
Vierotchka
Feb 29, 2020 2:17 AM
Reply to  Gezzah Potts

I post plenty of posts and comments containing the words Syria, Julian Assange and Wikileaks, and none of them have ever been deleted. So go ahead, do your worst!

Gezzah Potts
Gezzah Potts
Feb 29, 2020 2:36 AM
Reply to  Vierotchka

Okay, thanks V, tho in the past have posted comments on Socialist Alternative Facebook page that were deleted (when I checked later at an internet cafe) and did post once on Van Badham Facebook about Julian Assange, but no one said a single word about it – like it wasn’t even there (didn’t check at internet)
Like your video clips by the way when someone (usually PL) makes a stupid comment, cheers…

Vierotchka
Vierotchka
Feb 29, 2020 3:20 AM
Reply to  Gezzah Potts

You’re welcome.

The owners/admins/moderators of a Facebook group can delete posts and comments. I have on occasion deleted some on my wall because they were insults directed against me.

I’m glad you like my animated gif comments. In my opinion, they have a greater impact than just words. The recipients hate them, of course!

Gezzah Potts
Gezzah Potts
Feb 29, 2020 5:37 AM
Reply to  Vierotchka

Nice! Just watching the withering George Galloway speech (25th Feb) that you posted a couple of days ago.
It infuriates me that people I’ve known for years either couldn’t give a rats tinker about Assange, think he was wrong disclosing what he did… Or suspect he is a rapist, Yet think the White Helmets are brave civil defence volunteers saving babies.
It’s truly so fucked and so surreal and the sheer cowardice of so many in the West.
George Galloway: “the war criminals are on the BBC and ITV raking in millions and millions and millions…. I spit upon the 4th Estate”. Hear hear….

Vierotchka
Vierotchka
Feb 29, 2020 3:21 AM
Reply to  Gezzah Potts

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BigB
BigB
Feb 25, 2020 10:41 AM

[Further to @lundiel’s comment below].

Has there been no British involvement in Syria? Does the FCO not support the ‘Tamkeen’ Jihadi Council’s in Idlib? Does the Conflict, Stability and Security Fund not (potentially) fund the very Sharia Court that condemned these brave fighters? Whose money paid for this?

‘American Imperialism’ becomes a perfidious lie when we cannot take responsibility for the murder of Syrian soldiers and children in Idlib. We paid for this with our money. And we supported this with our vote.

https://thewallwillfall.org/2019/08/25/white-helmets-local-councils-is-the-uk-fco-financing-terrorism-in-syria-with-taxpayer-funds/

https://www.voltairenet.org/article209309.html?__cf_chl_jschl_tk__=f9c98708415017f8e10a572b09ba488c8dfab5c8-1582623424-0-AYkYiYlX_yjjdZWn0Yr1c3FXOJHTD79Yu_STFZYNz8s0E2L0oYoYy7zCT6qIF8XYym9lhGtzM_8qkWIDlPT2HSYKhY_5H-mkvUxDUWgY_IUF5xOcKvuWDdnKPt2p0JL__FcXGE83Q8nKy2e8df-64OYsGVTIVCnsTeqjqGHr9UV7QuEBTEfPgeJteEQg78HDvnVtNNSmq_8Y0bx3yrtIYBfD7l_l0yRagzdYvjK73IDJH3–bOdJjVLLwcW11APB68D4CjNf5sPJkCavB6EyyBX2WgH48dPzhAzQbwcMb6au

As for the alternative to Johnson – whose pet project was the terrorist ‘High Negotiation Council’ when he was FM – was, of course Labour. Who also support NATO, their proxies, the White Helmets, and the FCO and CSSF. And on these very forums came the progressive rallying cry to vote …in support of the murdering of soldiers and children in Syria.

The depersonalising bureaucracy and depoliticising corporate political structure took that vote as a mandate to carry out this, and other gross inhumanitarian acts like it. Everyone knows the score. Everyone (except Proyect) knows what is really going on in Syria. Only, we develop selective amnesia when it comes to vote. And selective displacement of the crimes of the authoritarian institutions – like NATO and the FCO – we voted to legitimate.

Well, it was our alienated, abdicated powers – and abnegated self-sovereignty and self-responsible personal autonomy – that were taken as the mandate for the ongoing war crimes in Idlib. We did this. But we cannot stand to face up to the fact. Which is the sign of the immaturity of those who cannot make their own decisions …so we constitute a transcendent authoritarianism that murders, pollutes, and genocides on our behalf. Which we call ‘American Imperialism’ so as to not have to face the facts of who we really are. Or take responsibility for what we really do.

And until we can face fact and reality: ‘American Imperialism’ will continue to exercise our freedoms for us …to murder and genocide at our free will. And we will continue to tacitly support them by abdicating any involvement whatsoever …continuing to construct imaginary entities that distance responsibility to save us from from the fact we consented to this not two months ago.

The silencing process of selective and constructed amnesia is the only reason the war crimes we legitimated pile up on our behalf. It was ‘them’, ‘over there’, ‘the imperialists’. Our empathic blindness, constructed amnesia, and implicated silence is the co-constitution of the covenant of alienated powers that is ‘American Imperialism’.

Until we can connect the event – the murder – back to the vote and back to the enthusiastic support we had at the the time for the vote …and accept the legitimation of the murder the vote entails …many, many, more will die. In our name. For our procedural silence in support of the regimes we made.

Qui tacet consentire videtur

Gezzah Potts
Gezzah Potts
Feb 25, 2020 12:00 PM
Reply to  BigB

“Many more will die. In our name. For our procedural silence. In the regimes we made”.
Unfortunately B, there’s more than a few Proyect’s out there, gatekeeping and shilling for one of the most debauched Empire’s to have ever existed.
Without conscience or even basic decency.
Lies upon lies upon lies.
Everyone I know believes the contrived bullshit about the White Helmets. Even The Big Issue mag (taken over in Aussie by neoliberal idpol zombies) had a little puff peice about them a while back.
I havn’t voted for anyone for over 20 years.
They’re all the same; bought and paid whores for the Corporations and the Bankers and apparatchiks for the Empire.
For imperialism. For more death and destruction in countries… ‘over there’.

Zoran Aleksic
Zoran Aleksic
Feb 25, 2020 10:02 PM
Reply to  BigB

Yes. In your name. Not mine.

BigB
BigB
Feb 26, 2020 11:39 AM
Reply to  Zoran Aleksic

No one is separate from their culture. The total means of cultural reproduction is an imaginary separation into atomistic individualism, with any amount of screening discourses and legitimising myths that separate the culture from the true realities if the generation of that culture. In this case – murder. Which allows a sanitised and propagandised cultural constitution of innocent selfhood – not in my name.

Well, I do not want murder, hybrid wars, the bombing of children in Yemen, or environmental degradation – to name a few aspects of cultural genesis I vehemently oppose – to be carried out in my name either. Packaging up the blame and projecting it on something we shall euphemistically call ‘American Imperialism’ does nothing to reveal – and everything to conceal – that Britain has taken a very active part in the Syrian campaign. The war crimes and imperialism are on us too.

If we ever really want to change this: it has to start with ethical honesty and with taking at least some moral responsibility for cultural regeneration – that is the validation of the cultural institutions that commit unspeakable crimes against all humanity every moment of every day. If we collectively transfer blame to someone else’s imperialism: nothing changes. Ever. Until we take it upon ourselves to change the culture of violence to a culture of peace.

Richard Le Sarc
Richard Le Sarc
Feb 26, 2020 11:55 PM
Reply to  BigB

Well said, Blanche.

Zoran Aleksic
Zoran Aleksic
Feb 29, 2020 11:14 PM
Reply to  BigB

No, I’m not separate from my country’s culture. I guess hardly anyone is. Therefore, the wars were and are in the name of those atomistic individuals of the culture. Subsequently, the burden of guilt or the glory of sanctimonious crusades is on them, too. Unless, we’re discussing an absolute monarchy.
The term ” American imperialism ” actually conceals very little. It has always been Anglo-American imperialism. So, if I’m not mistaken, your country. In your name.
Syria is just a trending topic of discourse, just one in a long procession of post WWII humane interventions of the aforesaid Empire.
And for the importance of being earnest, I’m neither an American nor HM’s subject, so not in my name.
On the whole, I do agree with your comment.

Einstein
Einstein
Feb 25, 2020 10:00 AM

Worst of all, for me as a Briton, is to see the craven acquiescence of the British press in the face of the British Foreign Office’s unscrupulous, immoral support of the fanatical, barbarous jihadis – using our taxes.
I never thought I’d see the day when the Guardian became Izvestia, the Telegraph became Pravda and the Times became TASS. And the British government locks up journalists, such as Assange, to pander to the Pentagon, the New Kremlin.
Now the only way Westerners can get some inkling of the truth is by reading Russia Today.
How Orwell would have laughed!

Frank
Frank
Feb 25, 2020 5:27 PM
Reply to  Einstein

Wrong. The Guardian became itself, The Telegraph became itself, The Times became itself and the British Government came to resemble, albeit more visibly, none other than itself.

They aren’t OTHER THINGS from whatever country you’ve designated as more backward than your own.

You simply started noticing corruption quite late in life and are still very much in denial due to the discomfiture it causes you – given the amount of yourself which, ‘as a Briton’, you’ve invested in the notion that you live in a civilised country. Morever, by implication, that YOU are civilised.

And you’ll carry the illusion that you live in a civilised country to the grave regardless of what you see, and regardless how many Assanges you see getting jackbooted. For you it’ll always be like the Soviet Union, like Nazi Germany etc etc.

In this way you preserve that green and sceptered isle in a safe little bubble. Forever and ever, Amen.

Richard Le Sarc
Richard Le Sarc
Feb 25, 2020 9:54 PM
Reply to  Frank

England a ‘civilised country’? Good God, that is hilarious.

Martin Usher
Martin Usher
Feb 25, 2020 5:54 PM
Reply to  Einstein

The Guardian has always been the mouthpiece of the British establishment, just as the other media outlets in the UK. The difference was that back in the day the ‘ruling classes’ (for want of a better term) felt sufficiently secure that they could tolerate a certain level of dissent. They could draw on many decades’ worth of experience with Fenians (Irish nationalists) and Continental revolutionaries and nihilists to know just how far they could let things go before they had to take action, always preferring factionalism and internecine squabbling to direct action (but being quite prepared to take such action if the circumstances warranted it).

We tend to overlook the fact that what we know as ‘communism’ isn’t really communism as such, its more accurately called ‘Russianism’ or something like that. Its characteristics were forged in the particular circumstances of Russian history and culture, the whole mess leavened with a heady dose of pie-in-the-sky idealism (at least in the early days). I’ve never had to read “Pravda’ but I suspect its no different from having to plow through the “Times” from that period (certainly a journal of record for the UK government). Even today the The Guardian has always been the mouthpiece of the British establishment, just as the other media outlets in the UK. The difference was that back in the day the ‘ruling classes’ (for want of a better term) felt sufficiently secure that they could tolerate a certain level of dissent. They could draw on many decades’ worth of experience with Fenians (Irish nationalists) and Continental revolutionaries and nihilists to know just how far they could let things go before they had to take action, always preferring factionalism and internecine squabbling to direct action (but being quite prepared to take such action if the circumstances warranted it).

We tend to overlook the fact that what we know as ‘communism’ isn’t really communism as such, its more accurately called ‘Russianism’ or something like that. Its characteristics were forged in the particular circumstances of Russian history and culture, the whole mess leavened with a heady dose of pie-in-the-sky idealism (at least in the early days). I’ve never had to read “Pravda’ but I suspect its no different from having to plow through the “Times” from that period (certainly a journal of record for the UK government). Even today the “Telegraph” reads more like a propaganda organ than a source of news (and as for the tabloids…..). So, realistically, all that’s happened in recent years is that the upper echelons of UK government are both feeling insecure, they’ve have lost the ability to control indirectly the masses so feel they have to exercise more direct control over the media.

Richard Le Sarc
Richard Le Sarc
Feb 25, 2020 9:53 PM
Reply to  Einstein

One word answers all-Zionism. The destruction of Syria is essential to the Oded Yinon Plan, and its previous incarnations and subsequent reiterations. As Smotrich, the Deputy Speaker of the Knesset declared on Israeli TV a few years ago, ‘Damascus belongs to the Jews’, as does all of Eretz Yisrael, ‘..from the Nile to the Euphrates’. To speak of these unchanging Zionist ambitions, or even to acknowledge their existences, makes you an ‘antisemite’, funnily enough.

TFS
TFS
Feb 25, 2020 9:41 AM

Strap in, I think the Corona virus is someone’s idea of a wet dream come true.

Who’s gonna benefit whilst the West is distracted in ‘lockdown’?

1. Anyone trying to hide the International Financial Ponziopoly Scheme going pop.
2. What will Israel do. Push to take more of Palestine?

The possibilities offered by the Coronavirus to be used by State Actors across the planet, is a gift horse waiting to be used and abused.

Orage
Orage
Feb 25, 2020 9:28 PM
Reply to  TFS

Nothing new here. Haven’t you heard of disaster capitalism?

paul
paul
Feb 25, 2020 9:53 PM
Reply to  TFS

Never let a good crisis go to waste.
They’re up to something.
Maybe with China, Iran or imposing more censorship.

Richard Le Sarc
Richard Le Sarc
Feb 25, 2020 10:02 PM
Reply to  TFS

Just look to the movies, ‘World War Z’, in particular. Plucky little Israel surrounded by ravening, blood-thirsty, monster sub-humans, protected only by its walls, and its disinhibition in shooting the monsters in the head. ‘World War Zionism’.

milosevic
milosevic
Feb 26, 2020 12:33 AM
Reply to  TFS

— the funny thing about “gift horses” is that many of them aren’t really “gifts” at all; they’ve merely been kept hidden in the back of the stable, waiting for the appropriate occasion to be trotted out, to propel their real master’s new bandwagon.

milosevic
milosevic
Feb 26, 2020 12:39 AM
Reply to  milosevic

— 9/11 being the paradigmatic “gift horse” for all time, of which all other gift horses, ponies, mules, and donkeys, are merely pale and lesser imitations. (until now, anyway, although “corona virus pandemic” seems very promising.)

Guy
Guy
Feb 25, 2020 9:23 AM

If there is a hell,I hope that there will be a special place reserved for these heartless criminals who have sold their souls for monetary purposes and government so-called intelligence services .In this Orwellian
world that we find ourselves in ,unspeakable horrors have become common place ,and I get the feeling that I just want to get off .Have we hit bottom yet as just when we see a glimmer of light shining through the darkness ,more horror is exposed to sink us to the bottomless pit .

lundiel
lundiel
Feb 25, 2020 8:39 AM

I saw too many of those videos, briefly, before they were taken down, to watch another. Libya made me sick to my soul and the final humiliation of Muammar al-Gaddafi along with the rejoicing of Hilary Clinton made me realise, there is no humanity left; we are politically bankrupt destroyers and the media are the worst of us……particularly the British media

Those whose understanding of US led wars in the region is shaped entirely by corporate media may well find the counterintuitive, Orwellian nature of Hudson’s second observation too much to take in. That does not make it untrue, however.

Not only is it not untrue…..it is a proven fact:

The British government covertly established a network of citizen journalists across Syria during the early years of the country’s civil war in an attempt to shape perceptions of the conflict, frequently recruiting people who were unaware that they were being directed from London.

A number of leaked documents seen by Middle East Eye show how the propaganda initiative began in 2012 and gathered pace the following year, shortly after the UK parliament refused to authorise British military action in Syria.

We’ve had 8 years of false reporting from Syria, along with the Syrian Observatory guy in his bedroom. From the documents obtained by MEE:

“The objective of the project is contribute [sic] towards positive attitudinal and behavioural change.”

This was further defined as: “Reinforcement of popular rejection of the Assad regime and extremist alternatives; promotion of the moderate values of the revolution; promotion of Syrian national identity.”
“Media coverage of the project will be distinctly unwelcome due to the risks to Syrian employees and to project effectiveness that it would generate,” says one.
“The implementer is not permitted to speak publicly (to the media or at academic conferences) about their work without the explicit permission of HMG [Her Majesty’s Government]. This will be enforced by a Non Disclosure Agreement.”

lundiel
lundiel
Feb 25, 2020 8:57 AM
Reply to  lundiel

I should have added: The media coverage in the west preserves the illusion that there is a “moderate” element that deserves/demands the support of all liberal thinking people. This is reinforced daily below the line in those articles you are allowed to comment on in the Guardian and of course, by people like Louis whatshisname.

Frank
Frank
Feb 25, 2020 12:07 PM
Reply to  lundiel

Well said, indeed, lundiel. Humanity appears to have left the building.

Richard Le Sarc
Richard Le Sarc
Feb 25, 2020 7:55 AM

Here in Austfailia the ‘multicultural’ SBS TV has been and remains, a viciously mendacious, hypocritical and fervent supporter of the salafist butchers, and enemy of the Syrian Government, since Day One. And remains so. Its stable of feminazi voice-over artistes, have long perfected the art of spitting out ‘barrel bombs’, ‘Assad’, ‘Russia’, etc, with poisonous venom. And the beloved ‘rebels’ with their dozens of ‘hospitals’ and the admired White Helmet jihadists, with their impeccable uniforms and shiny helmets, are the apple of all their eyes. Why this is so, whether from Saudi money, or the recruitment of more than ordinarily vicious Rightwing human detritus-who can say. But it really screams out for justice, one day. Propaganda work for child decapitators and the other vermin of the assault on a previously peaceful multi-ethnic, multi-faith society, is really the bottom of the barrel.

Gall
Gall
Feb 25, 2020 7:46 AM
Einstein
Einstein
Feb 25, 2020 10:26 AM
Reply to  Gall

Since the units Erdoğan has sent to Idlib are mostly nationalist, Kemalist Turkish units hostile to his fanatical jihadism, and he has sent them ill-equipped, Syria might turn the tables on him by offering this Turkish army refuge in exchange for turning against Erdoğan and setting up a Kemalist government-in-exile based around Hatay, i.e. in Idlib.

Antonym
Antonym
Feb 25, 2020 7:31 AM

This CIA Islamist mercenary circus started in Pakistan before the USSR army’s entry into Afghanistan in 1979. Operation Cyclone was co planned by Jimmy Carter’s NSA Brzezinski and inspired by the Pakistani ISI. Brzezkinski wanted to give Poland relief from Russia, while the ISI wanted US funding and weapons against India. Thousands of Jihadis entered the US through KSA unhindered for training.
9/11 was an oops! but not a surprise for the CIA, more like a work related accident. Remember G.W. Bush face expression in that Florida Kindergarten: not shocked at all, just trying to think of a way to slither out of the fall out.

Richard Le Sarc
Richard Le Sarc
Feb 25, 2020 7:57 AM
Reply to  Antonym

The al-Qaeda operatives involved in 9/11 were just the patsies, the cover-story for the 9/11 false flag operation mounted by the MOSSAD, US sayanim and elements of the US Deep State, ie Cheney and Rumsfeld et al. You know that Antsie, and so does anyone who has studied the event.

Antonym-vent
Antonym-vent
Feb 26, 2020 2:33 AM

My theory explains the lack of will shown by US deep state to get to the bottom of 9/11 as they were the careless import belt of jihadis-for-training themselves. A few of those blew up domestically – Oops! It explains the Saudi – only flights out of the US after too: more good -bad guys to be hidden. Same for Guantanamo – keep them away from objective press interviews.
Your Mossad theory has no explanation for the above, apart from the total lack of motive to attack the biggest Jewish city on Earth – on the soil of their biggest supporter.

milosevic
milosevic
Feb 26, 2020 7:27 AM
Reply to  Antonym-vent

Netanyahu Says 9/11 Terror Attacks Good for Israel

The Israeli newspaper Ma’ariv on Wednesday reported that Likud leader Benjamin Netanyahu told an audience at Bar Ilan university that the September 11, 2001 terror attacks had been beneficial for Israel.

“We are benefiting from one thing, and that is the attack on the Twin Towers and Pentagon, and the American struggle in Iraq,” Ma’ariv quoted the former prime minister as saying. He reportedly added that these events “swung American public opinion in our favor.”

Richard Le Sarc
Richard Le Sarc
Feb 26, 2020 7:43 AM
Reply to  Antonym-vent

Ludicrous! The motive was plain-the New Pearl Harbor predicted by the Zionist front, the PNAC, in one of its propaganda pronouncements. A New Pearl Harbor needed to provoke the USA to do Israel’s dirty work in destroying the countries of the Middle East in pursuit of the Oded Yinon Plan. And then you have ‘Lucky’ Larry Silverstein not going to breakfast to the first time in a restaurant high in one tower, and the ‘Five Dancing Israelis’ filming the atrocity in real time, from New Jersey, and celebrating the deaths of three thousands, ‘wildly’. Anyone doubting the Zionist responsibility needs only consult any of Chris Bollyn’s excellent videos.

Vierotchka
Vierotchka
Feb 26, 2020 12:06 PM

A total of 2,977 people were killed in New York City, Washington, DC and outside of Shanksville, so it was not three tousand deaths in NYC. Overall, 2,605 U.S. citizens, including 2,135 civilians, died in the attacks, while an additional 372 non-U.S. citizens (excluding the 19 perpetrators) also perished, which represented about 12% of the total.

Richard Le Sarc
Richard Le Sarc
Feb 26, 2020 11:58 PM
Reply to  Vierotchka

They were not the ‘perpetrators’-they were the patsies. Most had false identities, of course, and I dare say they were as surprised when the planes hit the towers as the rest. As for Shanksville-well no plane crashed there, nor at the Pentagon, as the evidence on the ground plainly shows.

Vierotchka
Vierotchka
Feb 27, 2020 3:06 AM

I concur.

Vierotchka
Vierotchka
Feb 27, 2020 3:22 AM

I was aware of all of that right from the beginning. Even the BBC reported that some of the alleged terrorists were still alive and well.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/1559151.stm

Information Clearing House had a page dedicated to that fact, and proved that even more of the alleged terrorists were still alive than what the BBC recounted – but I can’t find that link any more, last time I saw it was in 2002 or thereabouts.

paul
paul
Feb 26, 2020 6:27 PM
Reply to  Antonym-vent

The same explanation as the attack on the USS Liberty.

Rhys Jaggar
Rhys Jaggar
Feb 25, 2020 7:13 AM

It all seems fairly simple: US ‘journalists’ are now bare faced liars for the US Deep State.

Perhaps the only way to change them is to offer them the choice of continuing that behaviour or choosing that their children might live?

How can it be terrorism doing to US propagandists what their deep state has done to millions of foreigners for decades?

milosevic
milosevic
Feb 26, 2020 7:31 AM
Reply to  Rhys Jaggar

— threatens the lives of children in order to blackmail their parents into ceasing their support for war crimes.

— gets twenty upvotes.

Stay classy.

Vierotchka
Vierotchka
Feb 25, 2020 6:06 AM

Very troubling and difficult to watch video, but necessary.

hotrod31
hotrod31
Feb 25, 2020 5:08 AM

Thank you OffG and Philip Roddis for continuing to shine a light on the black-hearted, avaricious corporate bastards who control these proxy murderers. And, a silent prayer for the souls and the families of the two unfortunate Syrian soldiers.