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13 Reasons to Fear the COVID World Order

The world’s reaction to COVID-19 is already providing very strong hints of what our dystopian future will probably look like.

Andrew Korybko

COVID-19 has fundamentally changed life as we know it, and it’s more than likely that our future will be a dystopian one given how various governments have already responded to this viral outbreak.

The skeptics among us are fearful that this whole pandemic is overblown and being exploited as a smokescreen for stealing our freedoms, and while their attitude towards this disease is questionable (and quite possibly dangerous), their suspicion about a government takeover of society is warranted.

Never before have governments had so much power over the people, though in these emergency conditions, that might not be an entirely bad thing for the time being seeing as how it could very well be necessary for our survival.

The problem, however, is that these newly assumed powers probably won’t be voluntarily surrendered after this epidemic ends, which is why many people are so concerned. They’re convinced that we’ve suddenly entered a period of global dictatorship, and it’s difficult to argue with them.

So much else is also changing as well, and it’s hard to keep up with the “COVID World Order” that’s been thrust upon us, but what follows is an attempt to briefly describe everything that’s already taken place and predict what will probably follow:

1. De-Facto Martial Law…

There’s no other way to describe both the “recommended” and mandatory quarantines that many in the world are experiencing than to call them what they are, a state of de-facto martial law, which isn’t being formally declared in order to not provoke any more panic than there already is.

2. …Is The “New Normal”

Now that de-facto martial law of a seemingly indefinite period has been accepted by the people (whether willingly or begrudgingly), it’ll probably become the “new normal” and be implemented countless times in the future, be it as an “overabundance of caution” in the event of another outbreak or under any other pretext.

3. Social Media Censorship Will Intensify

“Big Brother” is already here, but he’s going to become a bigger bully than ever before by intensifying his censorship of people’s social media posts on the basis that they’re “socially irresponsible” (e.g. questioning the seriousness of this disease), after which the “politically incorrect” net will widen to encompass other topics too.

4. Travel Will Never Be The Same Again

Domestic and international travel will never be the same again, with internal restrictions on movement likely becoming commonplace and most foreign guests being required to self-quarantine for a period of time except in special circumstances, thus all but killing the global tourism industry.

5. Border Control Will Become More Robust

Gone are the days of so-called “open borders” where anyone can freely move between jurisdictions at will (whether legally or otherwise), with more stringent controls being put into place to protect the local population from outsiders (including their own compatriots from elsewhere in the country).

6. Mandatory Vaccines Are Coming

For whatever one thinks about vaccines, there’s probably no way to stop them from becoming mandatory after the COVID-19 pandemic, with it being predicted that people will have to prove that they’ve been vaccinated in order to do anything at all such as study, work, travel, and receive government benefits.

7. Remote Learning & Working Will Increase

With so many people stuck at home and unable to leave except to purchase essential goods in most cases, it’s predictable that remote learning and working (the latter which will of course be for those whose jobs allow them to do so) will pick up in the coming future as society gets used to this way of doing things.

8. 5G Is Inevitable

The massive surge of online traffic from folks who are learning, working, or simply entertaining themselves online will necessitate the rapid roll-out of 5G technology despite what some people suspect are its serious health concerns.

9. Society Depends On Just A Few Jobs To Function

The “new normal” of de-facto martial law has made many people realize that society really just depends on a few jobs in order to continue functioning at the bare minimum, with these being techies, grocery store and pharmacy employees, bank clerks, healthcare professionals, food service workers, farmers, and truckers.

10. Nationalization Might Be Imminent

For better or for worse, governments across the world might go on a nationalization spree in order to take control of what they regard as “essential industries” (though whether some of them truly are or not is another story), which could lead to the informal imposition of either socialist or fascist economic models.

11. “Universal Basic Income”

Given the scale and scope of the global economic collapse that was catalyzed by the world’s uncoordinated response to COVID-19, it’s foreseeable that governments will unveil what’s been described as a “universal basic income” in order to ensure that their people can continue to at least purchase basic goods and services.

12. Mandatory Medical Training In Exchange For Government Benefits

Medical training is arguably more important than military service nowadays, so the state will probably make it mandatory in schools from here on out and for anyone who wants to receive government benefits, thereby enabling the government to draft them in the future whenever there’s a dearth of healthcare professionals.

13. Say Goodbye To Cash

The cashless society is coming, whether justified by the (real, false, or exaggerated) fear that lethal viruses can be spread by paper currency or as the government’s preferred method of dispersing its “universal basic income”, meaning that the authorities can cut folks off from their funds at any time that they want to.

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There’s no guarantee that everything that was described above will come to pass, but there’s certainly a high likelihood that at least some of it will transpire with time, though it’ll remain to be seen how sustainable these socio-economic and political changes are and whether or not they can ever be reversed.

Originally published by One World Press

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Joseph Magil
Joseph Magil
Apr 1, 2020 2:52 AM

I predict that if a universal basic income is implemented, it will come with many strings attached, reducing those who need it to the status of slaves or even livestock. It will be utterly unlike the Social Credit system propounded by Major C. H. Douglas a century ago.

mj mj
mj mj
Apr 1, 2020 2:46 AM
Stringless
Stringless
Mar 31, 2020 8:34 PM

I would add one more item: We may probably see individual hacker ‘terrorists’ revolting against the system . One day you may see a different kind of virus attack. It will paralyse the whole banking system. Your online banking, POS sales, ATMs etc won’t work for a week. What follows then is left to your imagination. A total social unrest after day 2.

Robbobbobin
Robbobbobin
Mar 29, 2020 6:28 AM

You, personally-by-proxy, wanted aeroplanes to fly into the Galápagos for your exotic summer vacation, you got Seymour and San Cristóbal airports to enable just that. Now tell me you, personally-by-proxy, didn’t strongarm Ecuador into allowing it. The end of history occurred just before before WW2 and was still in effect the day you booked your travel, perhaps?

Michael McNulty
Michael McNulty
Mar 28, 2020 7:41 PM

I wonder how many people who went into this lockdown proud to belittle conspiracy theories will soon be conspiracy theorists themselves? The government can’t take away bread and mind-numbing TV circuses and not have people delve inside their own minds and start some real deep thinking. Many used to be so busy the only thinking they could do was when they climbed in bed then soon fell asleep. That’ll change!

Robbobbobin
Robbobbobin
Mar 29, 2020 6:46 AM

“I wonder how many people who went into this lockdown proud to belittle conspiracy theories will soon be conspiracy theorists themselves?”

Not, I daresay, any of the several lapdogs who yesterday yapped at me for being too old –obviously 80+–to get in some cycling pleasure and exercise (especially not the one who ran out onto the road to do it).

Joseph Magil
Joseph Magil
Apr 1, 2020 2:09 AM

I believe most will only become more passionate in their belief in the truthfulness of the mainstream media and the rightness of every government policy. Every few years, fundamentalist Christians sit on their rooftops awaiting the rapture, which is almost 2,000 years late by my reckoning. Self-delusion is a faculty humans will never lose. I predict that conspiracy theorists like myself will become increasingly despised and looked down upon as pathetically deluded at best or evil disrupters of society at worst. The people will not come after the oligarchs or the government with their pitchforks, they will come after us.

sabelmouse
sabelmouse
Apr 3, 2020 10:28 AM
Reply to  Joseph Magil

many do seem to relish this whole thing, madness!

Cesca
Cesca
Mar 28, 2020 6:31 PM

Think this cld be an accidentally released bioweapon, by the US, can’t remember the name of the lab which was shut down for leakages late last year. Might just be a naturally occurring virus too tho, it’s far from lethal even to more at risk older ppl, the fear porn is the real danger.

Biggest danger of all tho is to people’s mental health, the propaganda is pure evil designed to cause ppl so much fear, they will agree to the most vile, freedom denying *protection* for what they think is safety.

Brian
Brian
Mar 28, 2020 8:51 AM

Essential jobs? You haven’t mentioned oil and gas production, oil refining and/or the wider energy sector? This must have been written by someone who doesn’t understand what drives everything around them. Another example of a pointless doom-mongering, incomplete mess of an arrival. The internet and social media gives a voice to people who are not qualified and proper journalists, any fool can’t write something and get it “published” now.

Ravenlincs
Ravenlincs
Mar 31, 2020 11:15 PM
Reply to  Brian

There was no claim that the list was exhaustive. Apparently in your mind a “qualified and proper” journalist is one who drives a car.

falcemartello
falcemartello
Mar 28, 2020 2:36 AM

Welcome to Orwells Brave New World. Next chapter will Be Orwells Animal Farm.
FASCISMO 101 has become the mew normal. . This my fellow bloggers is classified as a coup d’etat and the sheeple have accepted it .
SAD BUT TRUE.

Dan
Dan
Mar 29, 2020 4:49 AM
Reply to  falcemartello

Aldoux Huxley Brave New World. Orwell wrote 1984, Animal Farm. But H. G Wells wrote New World Order.

Orwell wasn’t a Fabian. The other two were .

Fabian Society is behind this virus.
Commufascist takeover using Eugenics.

Ready for their beast empire new world order.

Suit up ppl.

Ken
Ken
Mar 28, 2020 2:09 AM

What an excellent way to further divide and conquer us. I guess 9/11 and it’s fruits have grown a bit stale after nearly 19 years now. The new terror threat is biological and your new enemy is the person getting too close to you, doing an uncovered cough across the street, or your unvaccinated neighbor. I truly am worried about the kind of world my little boy faces. It’s also a lonely feeling being mostly surrounded by willfully ignorant sleepwalkers in my daily life who appear to be quite willingly accepting of their increasing oppression, with no questions asked. Thank you all for being here.

Eric Blair
Eric Blair
Mar 28, 2020 2:43 PM
Reply to  Ken

More people are awake than you know. Most just don’t want to talk about it.

Jo Dominich
Jo Dominich
Apr 1, 2020 2:18 PM
Reply to  Ken

Ken, thank you also for being here to add to the online community that is keeping us all sane. You know, the new terror is, as you say, quite probably biological. I think back to the Skripals which was described as ‘Chemical’ bio warfare. This mass hysteria was also created around the Skripal saga but, the Government’s story was such BS the stench could not be abided by even The Sun readers in the end – until nobody believed the story anymore – and hey presto, right on cue, another load of Government BS re the Almnsurbury cases. The Skripals are clearly, unfortunately and innocently dead having been disappeared probably by Mossad, MI5 and the CIA. Now we have this virus which broke in a region of China which has a WHO specialist bio research lab just a mile away. Just saying……

Oscar
Oscar
Apr 2, 2020 6:40 PM
Reply to  Ken

When I joined the Army in 1990 we were trained in NBC tactics. Nuclear Biological Chemical warfare. Biological weapons have been around for many years so nothing really new, its just the main streaming of them. We have our very own institution in the UK for this stuff… Porton Down.
Nuclear is dying (except for N Korea and Iran) Chemical warfare is age old… Mustard Gas in WW1 and probably other things earlier. Biological is the new SCARY stuff… it’s working just look at the zombie apocalypse happening on every sofe throughout the UK… people are shit scared.

paul
paul
Mar 28, 2020 1:32 AM

The site is completely fu**ed again.

Sam - Admin2
Admin
Sam - Admin2
Mar 28, 2020 1:59 AM
Reply to  paul

How so?

JohnB
JohnB
Mar 28, 2020 1:36 PM
Reply to  Sam - Admin2

It lets paul post … 🙂

Ken
Ken
Mar 28, 2020 5:52 AM
Reply to  paul

These are very uncomfortable propositions, aren’t they Paul?

wardropper
wardropper
Mar 29, 2020 5:04 PM
Reply to  paul

It is running rather slowly these days, but completely f….., it is not.

Gall
Gall
Mar 27, 2020 11:17 PM

The elephant in the room perched on the sofa is the compelling evidence that this virus is a bioweapon but even if it wasn’t it is obvious that the Anglo/American/Zionist Empire is using or attempting to exploit this pandemic to its Geopolitical advantage first pulling a “ham sandwich”and indicting Maduro on trumped up “narcotics” charges based on no evidence whatsoever. Talk about the pot accusing the kettle! I guess the hypocrites forgot about the Opium Wars and turning Afghanistan into a big H pipeline not to mention the explosion of opiate deaths cause by Big Pharma. I mean the Drug Cartels in Central and South America ain’t got nothing like Purdue Pharmaceuticals who have been pushing their poison onto millions of Americans as “safe and effective” according to the stalwart FDA. Also US Forces had planned a preemptive attack in Iraq while they were trying to handle a pandemic and… Read more »

Petra Liverani
Petra Liverani
Mar 28, 2020 11:30 AM
Reply to  Gall

There is zero evidence of this virus, Gall. I think, generally, bioweapons are a bit of a hoax, anthrax, for example … but then prescription drugs – we might call them a bioweapon.

Robbobbobin
Robbobbobin
Mar 29, 2020 7:36 AM
Reply to  Petra Liverani

“I think, generally, bioweapons are a bit of a hoax”

It is not generally known that Bacillus anthracis has a very high IQ and, consequently, has been recruited into ASIS, via ectoplasmic communications with William of Ockham, as Controlled Opposition. William has been asked to bring along his razor to cut the throat of anyone who disagrees with his appointment.

Incidentally, do you moonlight as one of those bots that repeatedly insert the victim’s name into personal directed advertising?

binra
binra
Mar 31, 2020 11:27 PM
Reply to  Petra Liverani

This virus is a whole can of worms as a psychological weapon regardless whether it is in fact definitively isolated and proven to be the cause of symptoms or not. (Viruses get a bad press). Bioweapons. Like Rappoport receently, I have no doubt there are concerted efforts make them, but fail. What doesn’t fail are toxic exposures and along with your examples are many others that operate a negative synergy. Medical treatments are the 3rd leading cause of death in UK/US and likely in other developed countries. The real position is probably first. Lockdown the medical monopoly? Not likely! Of course we all die anyway and our medical god is our current expression of War on Death – which like all such ‘wars’ does the thing it claims to defend. If expert toxicologists were brought in instead of virologists, I believe we would not only address the needs directly instead… Read more »

Jo Dominich
Jo Dominich
Apr 1, 2020 2:27 PM
Reply to  binra

Binra, yep, fear has dominated the USA psyche for centuries – be it global, internal, external etc. Read Noam Chomskey on the Republican Party – being the ‘most evil people in america and probably earth” (something like that anyway). They keep the USA scared scared scared and keep winning elections as a result of it. Interesting Fact: Steve Bannon (yep that well known Fascist extreme right wing founder of Cambridge Analytica) and also Trump’s campaign manager and advisor – ran the campaign for the Tory Party in the last election – look at Republican dirty tricks in election – they were all evident here. I believe, but I might well be wrong, that Bannon now runs Breitbart?

Jo Dominich
Jo Dominich
Apr 1, 2020 2:22 PM
Reply to  Gall

Gall, yes strange about Maduro since USA failed to win the ‘coup’. The reality is the USA made those indictments against him to block a massive UN aid package to Venezuela and Iran. They did the same to Saddam Hussein, General Noriega, Allende, the President of Nicaragua etc. Strangely enough though the common demoniator with Venezuela and Iran is that they are both massive oil producers. I don’t see them doing it say, a country which does not have oil or natural resources that the USA could plunder.

axisofoil
axisofoil
Mar 27, 2020 9:19 PM

If the whole article in The British Medical Journal didn’t open…..here is the rest of the text. BMJ. 2005 Dec 10; 331(7529): 1412. PMCID: PMC1309667 Press Are US flu death figures more PR than science? Peter Doshi, graduate student Author information Copyright and License information Disclaimer US data on influenza deaths are a mess. The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) acknowledges a difference between flu death and flu associated death yet uses the terms interchangeably. Additionally, there are significant statistical incompatibilities between official estimates and national vital statistics data. Compounding these problems is a marketing of fear—a CDC communications strategy in which medical experts “predict dire outcomes” during flu seasons. The CDC website states what has become commonly accepted and widely reported in the lay and scientific press: annually “about 36 000 [Americans] die from flu” (www.cdc.gov/flu/about/disease.htm) and “influenza/pneumonia” is the seventh leading cause of death in the… Read more »

Ken
Ken
Mar 27, 2020 9:03 PM

What? No microchipping?

binra
binra
Mar 31, 2020 11:32 PM
Reply to  Ken

It is now realised people can be more cheaply programmed by viral fears.
Every kind of biotech is poised to launch in the wake of CVD19. See Boris at the UN immediately after his selection

Oscar
Oscar
Apr 2, 2020 6:43 PM
Reply to  Ken

That’ll be coming soon from a vaccine centre near you. Nano Electronics is the new weapon. And they can delivered via a syringe.

axisofoil
axisofoil
Mar 27, 2020 8:31 PM

Bob Dylan is still here…..and awake
https://youtu.be/3NbQkyvbw18?t=2

George Mc
George Mc
Mar 27, 2020 9:21 PM
Reply to  axisofoil

What a fucking amazing song! Where the hell did that come from? Dylan knew all this at the time but never said directly probably because he was too keen to stay alive. Now he’s 78 he doesn’t give a shit. Proof that he knew then? This from “Desolation Row”:

At midnight all the agents and the superhuman crew
Come out and round up everyone that knows more than they do
Then they bring them to the factory where the heart-attack machine
Is strapped across their shoulders and then the kerosene
Is brought down from the castles by insurance men who go
Check to see that nobody is escaping to Desolation Row

axisofoil
axisofoil
Mar 27, 2020 11:49 PM
Reply to  George Mc

JFK,9/11 and the Corona virus.
https://youtu.be/mbM4vJzq9IU?t=4

Charlotte Russe
Charlotte Russe
Mar 27, 2020 8:18 PM

JUST A THOUGHT……. What an opportune time for a virus to appear and socially distance a volatile and outraged planet. Until the arrival of COVID-19 nothing was able to thwart the tenaciousness of the Yellow Vest Protest Movement. Poverty and genocidal wars never provoked as much mass hysteria as the relentless pronouncements of COVID fatalities. Each cable TV channel has a running “Death-0-Meter.” It’s as if they’re tallying election results. The commentator excitedly predicts which geographic location has the highest death toll and is the official winner. MSNBC and CNN found an ingenious way to use election graphics, instead of citing the outcome of the rigged primaries they now tally deaths……. Thanatophobia has put the world’s population in-its-place. Every government eager to flex their muscles are wildly shaking their index finger at panic ridden populations saying all autonomy is eliminated, but it’s all for your own good………. So why is… Read more »

axisofoil
axisofoil
Mar 27, 2020 10:39 PM

Assange has also dropped out of the spotlight. Timing?

Charlotte Russe
Charlotte Russe
Mar 28, 2020 3:00 AM
Reply to  axisofoil

Everyone is suddenly obsessed with COVID-19. This YouTube channel frequently mentions Assange: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCe5hl70Es-VQ4OWvxssFH4A

mcdonagh4
mcdonagh4
Mar 28, 2020 11:59 PM

Mr Assange is just another casualty in the never ending class war , in which the global elites have won a great victory for the moment with the successful Coronavirus panic. What happens next is what should be on everyone’s mind ? Now is not the time to grieve for fallen comrades.

axisofoil
axisofoil
Mar 30, 2020 9:53 AM
Reply to  mcdonagh4

Snowden interview 3/23
https://youtu.be/9we6t2nObbw?t=60

woodlark
woodlark
Mar 27, 2020 5:50 PM

If one is born in the ‘dystopian’ future then one knows nothing else, and their lives will be ‘normal.’
Our micro-managed lives would have probably appeared insufferably intolerable to our hunter-gatherer ancestors.

Alan Tench
Alan Tench
Mar 27, 2020 7:26 PM
Reply to  woodlark

A good point. My children, now in their late 20s and early 30s don’t think anything of the spy cameras now on every street corner, and in fact everywhere. To them they are just ‘security cameras’, a normal part of life. To me, in my 60s, they are one of the most hateful, sinister, Orwellian, developments I can think of, even after 30 years of their deployment.

Mike Ellwood
Mike Ellwood
Mar 28, 2020 10:21 AM
Reply to  Alan Tench

And their generation is freely giving out all sorts of personal information on social media.

Oscar
Oscar
Apr 2, 2020 6:45 PM
Reply to  Alan Tench

Spy cameras in the street… they have them in their hands all the time

A. Scott Buch
A. Scott Buch
Mar 27, 2020 7:33 PM
Reply to  woodlark

And generation after generation of us are being born into progressively more developed versions of it and have been ever since. 1984 was always cryptically 1948. The future has always been now. We must fight, not against the implementation of a new normal, but of all the new normals which ever were and that ever will be!

Alan Tench
Alan Tench
Mar 27, 2020 4:26 PM

Identity cards anyone? Has this old chestnut reared its repulsive head yet?

fred
fred
Mar 27, 2020 9:04 PM
Reply to  Alan Tench

It’s coming: Agenda ID2020
“What is the infamous ID2020? It is an alliance of public-private partners, including UN agencies and civil society. It’s an electronic ID program that uses generalized vaccination as a platform for digital identity.”

Alan Tench
Alan Tench
Mar 27, 2020 10:03 PM
Reply to  fred

I’d never heard of that, so I just read up on it. VERY VERY CREEPY! Especially as how it’s dressed up as something that enhances privacy.

sam
sam
Mar 31, 2020 8:20 PM
Reply to  fred

Yes. Bill Gates is involved
https://id2020.org/
He thinks it would be a great idea to microchip the whole world so they can see if we have had our vaccines and eventually all our details will be on it. The mark of the beast.
Oddly it was involved in the John Hopkins University pandemic exercise last October. Now what a coincidence!
http://www.centerforhealthsecurity.org/newsroom/center-news/2019/2019-08-21-event201.html
Bloomberg gives load of money to John Hopkins University
I suppose it was called ID2020 because it was planned to be implemented in…2020?

Oscar
Oscar
Apr 2, 2020 6:47 PM
Reply to  Alan Tench

ID cards… ID chips is the future. Roll Roll Roll people for your new injectable chip… it’ll let you pay for shopping without carrying your wallet or purse or cash…. oh and we won’t tell you but we’ll be able to track via satellite and mobile phone mast.

Fuck me I wonder about my sanity sometimes….

JudyJ
JudyJ
Mar 27, 2020 4:12 PM

The UK Govt has now revised its earlier diktat about the once a day exercise excursion. They have now decreed that this should be undertaken locally and as near to home as possible and people should not drive to other areas. This follows what appears to have been a widespread unilateral police initiative to deem it contrary to coronavirus control measures to drive anywhere for the purpose of exercise or to walk the dog. Until this morning this was considered by rational people to be a drastic and purposeless over-reaction. And it appeared that until this morning the UK Cabinet Office, in response to a query from the Guardian, agreed with us. But now the UK Govt has backtracked. Can anyone out there who supports the fascist control measures please explain the logic of this in scientific terms? Apparently it is fine for me to drive 5 miles to a… Read more »

JudyJ
JudyJ
Mar 27, 2020 4:13 PM
Reply to  JudyJ

Apologies, in my annoyance driven haste the ‘block quote’ above was meant to be ‘bold’.

jay
jay
Mar 27, 2020 4:55 PM
Reply to  JudyJ

Engage people in conversation where ever you can, talk is still free…
Spread the word, spread the descent of The Crackpot Government and it’s leader, Bozo Stalin.
I intend to disobey ‘orders’ where I see them as evil.

JudyJ
JudyJ
Mar 27, 2020 5:03 PM
Reply to  jay

I have engaged five people in conversation since yesterday. Three came across as tolerating or ‘humouring’ the mad woman, one effectively told me to ‘talk to the hand’ as he had “medics in the family” who had assured him that the virus was causing mayhem, and one person seemed genuinely interested. 1 out of 5 with some insults thrown in – could’ve been worse. 😀

Ian Beeby
Ian Beeby
Mar 28, 2020 12:15 AM
Reply to  JudyJ

Talked to several people in last few days. Roughly 50/50 to those who believe the compulsive liar to those who don’t trust him. Even some people who I thought were quite sane believe the liar, and his scaremongering.]
In a few weeks time we are going to have the biggest mental health crisis ever seen. Domestic and child abuse will shoot up , caused by this mass hysteria. Mostly I am concerned for those who have to endure this “shielding” process, many with physical disabilities who can’t get the care they need.
Cheers
Ian

JohnB
JohnB
Mar 28, 2020 1:44 PM
Reply to  Ian Beeby

Similar Ian. I’d say, of those I’ve chatted to, 60% believe the bollox (they didn’t really want to chat, or even be in the same sphere of contagion as me), 40% recognise it as such.

Quite a few I’d have thought more savvy believe it though, which is sad.

Jo Dominich
Jo Dominich
Apr 1, 2020 2:40 PM
Reply to  JohnB

Ian/John as Marx said, if there was to be a revolution in Britain it would be in gardening. Ok Let’s start with Gardener’s Question Time – which, incidentally, in my travels around the excellent Netherlands, the Dutch thought was the height of British eccentricity and thought it was a sarcastic comedy programme!! As they say, stimulating a clematis is a very delicate thing!

jay
jay
Mar 27, 2020 5:04 PM
Reply to  JudyJ

That ‘disobedience’ will continue later tonight, I’m going to visit my 90 year old neighbour as I always do. She has a bottle of whiskey for me…
To me, that is evil, letting an old dear be frightened and alone without a little company, even Her supine nearest and dearest are obeying Bozo Stalin.
Google “Common Purpose” if you want to find out what has became of our once decent police.

Ian Beeby
Ian Beeby
Mar 27, 2020 10:30 PM
Reply to  JudyJ

If you watch the use less crooks (victim of multiple crimes, police response useless) none of them are staying apart. This is just their usual anti people policy and in a few weeks time, they will ask for that same public’s help after irritating them for no reason. Can see no reason for not going to more scenic areas for exercise. What I went to know is how many deaths are caused by the virus compared to those who die with it? and how many of these deaths are of the usual 1800 who die every day anyway.

JudyJ
JudyJ
Mar 27, 2020 11:50 PM
Reply to  Ian Beeby

Ian

You’ve hit the nail on the head. Your last two sentences: that’s what we’d all like to know but, for some reason, the Government seems reluctant to share that information, that’s assuming they know it themselves!

JohnB
JohnB
Mar 28, 2020 1:40 PM
Reply to  JudyJ

There is no logic.

I blame people like the guardain, for asking questions they didn’t really want to hear the answer to.

Oscar
Oscar
Apr 2, 2020 6:50 PM
Reply to  JudyJ

On my way to work today – yes essential – I stopped at local garage, at least 6 police officers getting their takeaway coffees, when I asked if I could get a take out I was told no it’s a special arrangement. WTF!!!!!! On way not one police (or PCSO) office asked where I was going, instead they joked “you’ve never seen so many of us” to which I replied, “good to see my tax money being used properly”

JudyJ
JudyJ
Apr 2, 2020 7:19 PM
Reply to  Oscar

It’s like one long holiday for the police. They’ve never had it so good. No real work to do, they can relax (whilst on official business of course!), and have freedom to harass anyone who they think is a soft touch. I doubt that they’re eager for all this to be over! 😀

jay
jay
Mar 27, 2020 4:05 PM

All the famous and important people coming down the ‘dreaded’ illness…I do not know a single, solitary soul who has it.
Is corona carried by tv cameras?

Ross Hendry
Ross Hendry
Mar 27, 2020 5:14 PM
Reply to  jay

Good point. Narcissists/ camera luvvies always rear their heads when given half a chance. Life is a movie which they must be in, even as an extra.

lundiel
lundiel
Mar 27, 2020 5:18 PM
Reply to  jay

Let’s have some silent clapping for them at 8 pm tonight.

jay
jay
Mar 27, 2020 5:35 PM
Reply to  lundiel

LoL, they must’ve been supaspreadas

Gwyn
Gwyn
Mar 27, 2020 7:37 PM
Reply to  lundiel

What time are we supposed to be giving them the clap?

Jo Dominich
Jo Dominich
Apr 1, 2020 2:45 PM
Reply to  jay

Jay, now you’ve raised an interesting point there. I have tracked, over the years, the celebrity trend of being diagnosed with what I call ‘conditions du jour’ – when Aspergers was a popular diagnosis, how many celebrities miraculously claimed to have recently been diagnosed with it – loads. Now one thing, there is no such thing as late onset Aspergers, you have it from birth/childhood or you don’t. Then there came OCD, OMG, I lost count of all the celebrities and famous people who came forward to claim they had been diagnosed with this. These are just two – there are many more but would be too long for here. Clinical OCD is a severely debilitating mental illness which traps someone in a cycle of activity which has its roots in psychological and emotional disturbance. The same with Asperger’s. Now of course it’s CV-19 but hey, they’ve probably just got… Read more »

John Martin
John Martin
Mar 27, 2020 3:15 PM

I have rarely been so afraid. The world is slipping further and further into fascism, and there doesn’t seem to be anything I or anyone else can do about it. Previously, voting would perhaps have given the illusion of some control over the events that shape our lives, but that has long since gone. And far worse than what the state is doing, is how many people are cheering from the sidelines. My wife is asthmatic and is a bit worried about catching the virus, but even she is of the opinion that the restrictions are justified. I am sitting here at home, and it feels like I’m in prison, yet I have never broken the law in my life. And yet now, I am in the depths of despair. These restrictions are not going to be lifted after six months. It takes impossible naivety to think otherwise. I don’t… Read more »

jay
jay
Mar 27, 2020 4:06 PM
Reply to  John Martin

We could have more freedom in prison…

clickkid
clickkid
Mar 27, 2020 4:55 PM
Reply to  John Martin

John,

in my opinion what we are seeing is not the creation of a New World Order, although those at the top may think it is, rather these are the last gasps of the Old Order.

The measures which have been introduced are not sustainable. They are crippling the economies of the world.

Nery Christian Cerna
Nery Christian Cerna
Mar 31, 2020 8:40 PM
Reply to  clickkid

That is exactly what this is. The willful destruction of the OLD order. The elites are burning down the Titanic. Those who survive and fall into the ocean, will be grateful to be able to live on a wooden raft.

JohnB
JohnB
Mar 27, 2020 10:02 PM
Reply to  John Martin

I have rarely been so afraid. Fear is failure. A tad trite maybe, but oh so true. I am sitting here at home, and it feels like I’m in prison, yet I have never broken the law in my life. Not even a speed limit ? 🙂 Maybe the universe is punishing you for going 75mph on a motorway … And yet now, I am in the depths of despair. Darkest hour is just before the dawn. Take care of yourselves, John. Eat well, sleep, exercise. watch some old Ken Dodd shows. Peruse this website. These restrictions are not going to be lifted after six months. It takes impossible naivety to think otherwise. Meh. Once a sufficient number of people wake up to their absolute absurdity, they’ll be toast before you know it. I don’t know what to do. Stay positive. Maybe perform one act every day that brings us… Read more »

Jo Dominich
Jo Dominich
Apr 1, 2020 2:51 PM
Reply to  John Martin

John Martin, they will be lifted by Easter I predict for a variety of reasons. In Italy, the public are now having enough and have started to defy them. A Government cannot keep people in indefinitely especially when they have created a situation where mass unemployment is already starting. I detect Cabin Fever has started with some of my colleagues who I am still in touch with, friends, family and acquaintances. Nil desperandum – fear will keep you a prisoner hope will set you free – yep, tagline of The Shawshank Redemption. Keep psychologically well, flout the rules, go out 10 times a day if necessary, get out in the fresh air as much as you can and keep psychologically fit and positive. Keep on this site for reasoned dissent and some humour. The Yellow Vests movement will be out on the streets before long – we should start one… Read more »

1of7billion
1of7billion
Mar 27, 2020 3:00 PM

I know things may seem bad at present, and like those in power are doing “the mother of all crackdowns.” But I do think we need to keep some perspective. i.e. I wonder that if there really is this organised age old conspiracy to enslave humanity to a level that even George Orwell could not have imagined, by some “Illuminati” group hiding in the shadows or in plain sight even, but pretending they are all good citizens, how did the masses ever get the kind of freedom and aid they’ve had in particular since the end of the 2nd world war – in the UK anyway – in the form of the NHS and welfare state and right to a university education, such that even the poorest person is if talented and hard working enough able to rise to at least professional status? So yes, I’d agree that since Mrs… Read more »

clickkid
clickkid
Mar 27, 2020 4:58 PM
Reply to  1of7billion

There is no way the UK will ever have a referendum again.

The last time showed it to be too unpredictable.

lundiel
lundiel
Mar 27, 2020 5:36 PM
Reply to  1of7billion

Electoral reform won’t help us, our political parties are all beyond redemption. We are ruled by a loose alliance of security services, think tanks, NGOs, financiers, global corporations, senior civil servants and public institutions. All backed by the media, marketing and advertising, educationalists, religious leaders and academics. You’d literally have to tear the whole lot down and start from scratch in order to make real changes.
You are right to say “we still have an immense amount of freedom and aid by comparison”. That’s how they keep us in line as ‘managed democracies’) and will continue to do so until the cyclical crash that brings the whole lot down. Ane they aren’t by any means stupid, so times like this can only drive people’s suspicions of motive.

Mike Ellwood
Mike Ellwood
Mar 28, 2020 10:25 AM
Reply to  1of7billion

Elections have been abolished….sorry, postponed. Even less chance of a referendum.

paul
paul
Mar 31, 2020 9:39 PM
Reply to  Mike Ellwood

We don need no stinkin elections!!

TFS
TFS
Mar 27, 2020 2:42 PM

Covid19, The Chinese and World Military Games in China of last October.

The 300-stong US contingent stayed at the Wuhan Oriental Hotel. It is located a mere 300 meters from the Huanan Seafood Market, where China’s outbreak began.

World Military Games in China of last October.

https://hat4uk.wordpress.com/2020/03/25/covid19-crash2-china-hits-back-at-us-propaganda-panics-pompeo-as-dow-jones-makes-miracle-recovery/

Ramdan
Ramdan
Mar 27, 2020 1:58 PM

There was no need to go through Covid to realize the dystopian tones of the path human “civilization” have been folowing for a while …..this was clear long ago for any aware observer…Covid just happend to make it patently vivid on a large scale.

Gwyn
Gwyn
Mar 27, 2020 1:58 PM

The de Piffle monstrosity, I mean, our esteemed prime minister, has now supposedly tested positive for the virus.

Next up: Her Majesty the Old Baked Bean. The flag-wavers of Little England go (even further) into meltdown…

Sgt Oddball
Sgt Oddball
Mar 27, 2020 2:08 PM
Reply to  Gwyn

it *beggars* belief…

jay
jay
Mar 27, 2020 4:08 PM
Reply to  Gwyn

Bozo Stalin DNR.

Mucus Aurelius
Mucus Aurelius
Mar 27, 2020 6:27 PM
Reply to  Gwyn

Well, you can be sure of one thing – the Joke of Edinburgh will definitely not be ordering a Chinese takeaway

Gwyn
Gwyn
Mar 27, 2020 7:30 PM
Reply to  Mucus Aurelius

Ah, yes – the prick who joked about being reincarnated as a virus (seemingly oblivious to the irony of having already been reincarnated as a parasite…).

Ken
Ken
Mar 28, 2020 6:12 AM
Reply to  Gwyn

Gwyn, I got such a laugh from the above comment. Thanks!

Gwyn
Gwyn
Mar 28, 2020 11:09 AM
Reply to  Ken

Glad to hear it, Ken! Thank you!

Jo Dominich
Jo Dominich
Apr 1, 2020 2:57 PM
Reply to  Gwyn

Gwyn, Bozo Stalin has not tested positive for CV-19 and does not have it. He is a pathological liar. How convenient it was for him to go into self-isolation just when he was at the receiving end of severe criticism for his failure to accept the EU’s offer of a procurement exercise to purchase ventilators in quantity and at an affordable cheap cost and other criticisms surrounding him at the time. Great way to exit stage left isn’t it. He hasn’t got it neither has Matt Hancock – it’s called in the magic circle – a disappearing act.

Jo Dominich
Jo Dominich
Apr 1, 2020 2:58 PM
Reply to  Jo Dominich

Sorry forgot to say, Bozo Stalin? Nah. Bozo Adolf is more like it.

Gwyn
Gwyn
Apr 1, 2020 3:19 PM
Reply to  Jo Dominich

As well as pretending to have the virus to serve the purpose that you mention, he’s also a lazy bugger who’s breezed through life without having to do a day’s hard work, Jo.

What is it with these born-to-rule types and their tendency to disappear when they might have to roll their sleeves up?

1of7billion
1of7billion
Mar 27, 2020 1:41 PM

I think there are so many factors in play here, that it’s not easy to see exactly what all the outcomes are for even those who may think they are in charge of the game, and in fact, I would debate if anybody really is. For example, one of my own personal theories, is that – however it seems – China actually started this Draconian set of measures against its own population, caused the international scare to begin. And in fact the fabled abuse of the doctor who tried to “blow the story” but was allegedly tried to be repressed (clearly not very successfully, you will note), so beloved a news story to the Western media, was the key “set up” element to fool the China-abuse-hungry Western media and governments, causing them actually to “sting” themselves, by aping the Draconian measures the Chinese had taken, whose likely purpose was to… Read more »

Thom
Thom
Mar 27, 2020 2:00 PM
Reply to  1of7billion

Interesting stuff. My take on the role of the Left, however, is that they are being used to front calls ‘to do more’ that are actually originating with the Deep State and even the conservative establishment. The Left has very often been used to legitimise right-wing, extreme policies – remember the Iraq War and many other issues. I think this is what is happening here. Remember too that Trump has been at loggerheads with the American military-industrial complex for all his presidency.

Reg
Reg
Mar 27, 2020 2:06 PM
Reply to  Thom

I agree with you. It’s the “Responsibility to Protect” virus carriers. Wreathed in virtue, fully “liberal” and absolutely on-board with anything the imperial scumbags do. In fact, I’ve just described a Grauniad drone.

wardropper
wardropper
Mar 27, 2020 2:52 PM
Reply to  Thom

I would say that Trump has APPARENTLY been at loggerheads with the American military-industrial complex, but the continuation of US imperialism all over the place leaves me unconvinced.
You’re either president, or you’re not. If you can’t do what you think is important for the country, then you have to quit the job and try to pave the way for a person with stronger character and integrity to follow you.

clickkid
clickkid
Mar 27, 2020 5:00 PM
Reply to  wardropper

Factions – the Pentagon vs the CIA

Trump is Pentagon

wardropper
wardropper
Mar 27, 2020 6:56 PM
Reply to  clickkid

Or, the CIA is Pentagon, Congress, Senate, Supreme Court AND Trump.
I don’t think we are any longer governed by government. It’s something else entirely.

wardropper
wardropper
Mar 27, 2020 2:47 PM
Reply to  1of7billion

The thing is, 1of7, these “frightened, politically insecure leaders” actually chose a career in politics, although I am constantly asking myself what on earth would lead someone in the 21st Century to follow that path… If they do it because the pay is good, because they like ordering other people around, or because they just like to look important, then to my mind they belong in the category of narcissistic, arrogant psychotics, who are way beyond being “frightened”, or “politically insecure”. After all, they can always stick together and hide behind each other’s misdemeanours, enjoying the self-confidence which comes from “the group”. They may indeed, as you suggest, be dupes, but that doesn’t mean they are in the same category as the ignorant dupes to be found in the bulk of our populations. On the contrary, they, in turn, are quite deliberately taking part in the duping of the latter,… Read more »

Nery Christian Cerna
Nery Christian Cerna
Mar 31, 2020 8:46 PM
Reply to  1of7billion

You are forgetting one thing- Event 201. It’s obvious by looking at the videos of their meeting, that the elites knew the “pandemic” was coming. They were making last minute preparations, and making sure everyone is on the same page.

Donald Trump is just another puppet of the elites. The people who run the show are the Zionist bankers. It’s no coincidence that Trump has a wealthy Jewish son-in-law. I think he even mentioned once that his mother was part Jewish.

breweriana
breweriana
Mar 27, 2020 1:17 PM

Public Health England’s (PHE) epidemic intelligence activities monitor global HCID (high consequence infectious disease) events. These are published in a monthly summary in the form of a downloadable pdf file. The summaries followed monthly, through 2019, right up to the December bulletin, thus: https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/863349/Global_high_consequence_infectious_disease_events_December_2019.pdf In that issue, the monthly update for December 2019 we have: ‘UNDIAGNOSED DISEASE Events Wuhan, Hubei Province, China. In late December, an outbreak of viral pneumonia of unknown aetiology was identified in Wuhan. Many, but not all cases were linked with a seafood and live animal market in the city (Huanan South China Seafood Market). The cause was SUBSEQUENTLY IDENTIFIED as a novel coronavirus. A FULL UPDATE WILL BE PROVIDED IN THE JANUARY 2020 SUMMARY.’ (uppercase added). No information is given at all as to who, how, where or when the cause became known, and no further bulletins have been publicly issued since! But then, a… Read more »

Sgt Oddball
Sgt Oddball
Mar 27, 2020 1:42 PM
Reply to  breweriana

“This has become a political, not a medical, matter.”

– *obviously*…

breweriana
breweriana
Mar 27, 2020 2:14 PM
Reply to  Sgt Oddball

outside the UK, it should be called martial law, by now.

What is the most scary part to me personally, is the suggestion of mandatory vaccinations – they are good, say some. Likewise, so were the cattle trucks taking certain folk to ‘safety and security’ a long time ago, said some.
“The welfare of the people in particular has always been the alibi of tyrants, and it provides the further advantage of giving the servants of tyranny a good conscience.”
Albert Camus quotation.

Sgt Oddball
Sgt Oddball
Mar 27, 2020 2:27 PM
Reply to  breweriana

i feel like i’m living through ‘watership down’ right now – and i ain’t jokin’…

JohnB
JohnB
Mar 27, 2020 2:36 PM
Reply to  Sgt Oddball

Embleer Frith !

Sgt Oddball
Sgt Oddball
Mar 27, 2020 2:45 PM
Reply to  JohnB

fiver *ruled*, though…

Mike Ellwood
Mike Ellwood
Mar 27, 2020 11:20 PM
Reply to  Sgt Oddball

Or “The Plague Dogs”.

Mike Ellwood
Mike Ellwood
Mar 27, 2020 11:19 PM
Reply to  breweriana

Enforced mass medication. Like fluoridation of water. Another bad idea.

Mucho
Mucho
Mar 27, 2020 1:15 PM

No-one suspects that 5G will harm our health. We know 100% for a fact that 5G will harm our health. We have the documents to prove this. Here is a summary of those health effects from an official CIA document, page 57, link below: “Morphological, functional and biochemical studies conducted in humans and animals revealed that millimeter waves caused changes in the body manifested in structural alterations in the skin and internal organs, qualitative and quantitive changes in the blood and bone marrow composition and changes of the conditioned reflex activity, tissue respiration, activity of enzymes participating in the processs of tissue respiration and nucleic metabolism. The degree of unfavourable effect of millimeter waves depended on the duration of the radiation and individual characteristics of the organism.” https://www.cia.gov/library/readingroom/docs/CIA-RDP88B01125R000300120005-6.pdf?fbclid=IwAR1Dj66H-keC2xXKWjkF6B9kbKgns8IfNBarDYSa-G8d7NYlFrn7NGkPnWw Proper 5G uses millimeter waves. They may in the UK initially go sub mmw and claim this is 5G, but the plan… Read more »

Mucho
Mucho
Mar 27, 2020 1:21 PM
Reply to  Mucho
Jo Dominich
Jo Dominich
Apr 1, 2020 3:11 PM
Reply to  Mucho

Mucho, interesting the information is from the CIA isn’t it because China are at the forefront of it’s developoment. As Mike Pompeo said “the 5G War is one that we, the USA, has to win”. So, it’s only when China is the only country seriously advanced in its’ development and the USA have effectively put in sanctions to prevent other countries buying it (which haven’t worked) but they also see it as a ‘war’. Propaganda is Propaganda is Propaganda. Once again, the anti-China narrative is taking hold.

TFS
TFS
Mar 27, 2020 1:13 PM

Sorry OffG : Off Topic.

Any chance you could run some articles of updates for various things people who read this website are interested in? You could label it ‘Out in the Wild : Update’.

1. Alex Salmond (updates by Craig Murray)
https://www.craigmurray.org.uk/archives/2020/03/tomorrow-is-another-day/

2. The MH17 Trial. (update by John Helmer). Contains a doozey…..
https://johnhelmer.net/judge-drops-a-bombshell-in-mh17-trial-dutch-prosecutors-conceal-court-order-to-produce-us-satellite-data-allegedly-showing-buk-missile-firing/

3. Skripals (again John Helmer). Novichok and Porton Down.
https://johnhelmer.net/british-chemical-warfare-laboratory-admits-it-was-producing-and-testing-novichok-in-2014-four-years-before-sergei-skripal-discovered-it/

Sophie - Admin1
Admin
Sophie - Admin1
Mar 27, 2020 1:34 PM
Reply to  TFS

We’d love to but our resources are finite and the police state rollout worldwide seems the most urgent issue right now, to us and to our contributors. But we will no doubt be covering these other major events when we can.

If anyone sends us good material on them we will certainly publish.

TFS
TFS
Mar 27, 2020 1:36 PM

Here’s another one:

March24th: 9/11 fight continues in New York. Grand Jury Petition

https://www.ae911truth.org/news/654-historic-battle-brewing-in-nyc-over-lawyers-committee-grand-jury-petition

Thanks for reply.

Sgt Oddball
Sgt Oddball
Mar 27, 2020 1:43 PM

not being funny – but how can we help? – maybe research, etc.,?…

Germs Bond
Germs Bond
Mar 27, 2020 3:32 PM
Reply to  TFS

I’m going to have to look into this.

Porton Down admits to primate testing of Novichok in response to a freedom of information request!

The MH17 stuff looks interesting.

wardropper
wardropper
Mar 27, 2020 1:06 PM

Thank you. Now let’s have 14 ways of DEALING WITH the bloody CoVid World Order. I think we’ve all got the message about how awful it is.
It’s hard, I know, but we need to call out by name, using the information and evidence we have, those who are actively promoting this ludicrous and deadly panic.

Mucho
Mucho
Mar 27, 2020 1:15 PM
Reply to  wardropper

Chris Wittey. Boris Johnson. Matt Hancock. CRIMINAL CHARGES MUST BE PRESSED AGAINST THESE CHARLATANS.

JudyJ
JudyJ
Mar 28, 2020 12:09 AM
Reply to  Mucho

Very interesting. Precisely the three who now claim to have, or possibly have, Covid-19.

wardropper
wardropper
Mar 29, 2020 5:02 PM
Reply to  Mucho

Thanks Mucho. More names, please, everybody.

JohnB
JohnB
Mar 27, 2020 10:19 PM
Reply to  wardropper

Professor Neil Ferguson. Imperial College.

Mucho
Mucho
Mar 27, 2020 12:57 PM

The opening 30 minutes of the Adrian Chiles show on Radio 5 this morning is well worth a listen to get a handle on just how farcical this whole charade is. They really are doing a great job of proving how easy it is to fool people and turn them into dribbling morons. So called doctors sounding totally clueless, contradicting themselves all over the place, it has to be heard to be believed, then confirming that the tests produce both false positives and false negatives (Covid 19 was only supposedly isolated on 13th March https://www.independent.co.uk/news/science/coronavirus-covid-19-virus-isolate-canada-scientists-mutations-strains-a9399226.html so how they have all these tests ready for something isolated 14 days ago is something of a mystery and yet more proof this is nothing but a giant hoax, a government manoeuvre where basically the virus hoax is the cover story for the imposition of the New World Order)…..okayyyyy……people saying they KNOW they had… Read more »

Sgt Oddball
Sgt Oddball
Mar 27, 2020 1:47 PM
Reply to  Mucho

“THERE HE GOES!!!…”

😉

clickkid
clickkid
Mar 27, 2020 12:52 PM

In a previous post I mentioned Western governments printing money to stop living standards from falling. Supply chains are now being critically inpacted across the world in a ‘death by a thousand cuts’ scenario. Most of production now in Europe and North America is completely shuttered down. So, there we have the supply shock – the volume of goods and services available for purchase is shrinking. On the demand (consumption) side we have the western central banks and governments now vomiting forth an apparently endless stream of monopoly money in a frantic attempt to sustain their citizens’ living standards. Decreasing supply meeting this flood of money means hyperinflation, for which enough fuel has already been produced in the last 50 years anyway. It gets worse. In the UK something like 80% of households live paycheque to paycheque, their money goes out at least as fast as it comes in. They… Read more »

jiri
jiri
Mar 27, 2020 12:36 PM

There migh be an another aspect of all of this. If i recall correctly then China was struggling with US sanctions and trade war for about a year or two. There is authoritarian regime, right? So if I hypoteticaly send out a message, well dont have actually to create anything, there are plenty already, so just a message, about some new virus, what was “found”, coz they have the best laboratiories globaly to find some unseen shite and with that global medical network working like charm, there are many options. Afterwards send few real information to social media, create few “reallistic leaked flicks” with many deaths and start local theater, well perhaps circus, for few hundert tousends citizens, which is pretty much doable with such goverment, in the end this is not as comlicated as large military excersise and wait for about 3-5 months, when social and mainstream media catch… Read more »

Reg
Reg
Mar 27, 2020 12:58 PM
Reply to  jiri

Don’t want to sound like a conspiratorial loon (which I am, by the way), but our dear friend Soros owns WuXi PharmaTech Inc. Yep, a biotech company in Wuhan.

https://breakingnewshouse.com/2019/05/11/all-companies-owned-by-george-soros-in-the-united-states-and-abroad/

George Mc
George Mc
Mar 27, 2020 12:24 PM

Relax everyone. Boris has it. Now they wouldn’t lie about a thing like that!

wardropper
wardropper
Mar 27, 2020 1:08 PM
Reply to  George Mc

When one of our dear leaders ends up in an emergency corona ward, then I’m listening.

Sgt Oddball
Sgt Oddball
Mar 27, 2020 2:35 PM
Reply to  wardropper

why? – they’re prolly lying to you to fake-out your sympathy… – where are *you*?, where you *at*?… who’s close by you?, – family?… – friends?… – give them your attention, not some pinnochio on a stage…

wardropper
wardropper
Mar 27, 2020 3:05 PM
Reply to  Sgt Oddball

Read my comment properly, please, Sgt. Of course fakery will go on, but I’m talking about one of our leaders actually, really, ending up on life-support due to CoVid19. When that happens, I’m listening, and not until then.
A rough parallel would be one of the witch-hunt stories (Salem?), where practically any woman was liable to be accused of being a witch – until the wife of the local witch-finder/magistrate was accused too. Then the magistrate decided that enough was enough, and the hysteria disappeared overnight.

Sgt Oddball
Sgt Oddball
Mar 27, 2020 3:18 PM
Reply to  wardropper

“A rough parallel would be one of the witch-hunt stories (Salem?)”

… except they didn’t have a media-industrial-complex relentlessly chugging *shit* down your brain-pan 24/7 back then…

pls: *WAKE THE FUCK UP!!*

– like the fugees said ‘how many mikes?’…

– how many celebs?…

wardropper
wardropper
Mar 27, 2020 7:00 PM
Reply to  Sgt Oddball

I did say a “rough” parallel. That means not to be taken as an exact parallel. The point of my parallel was to indicate the sort of thing that can actually put a stop to mass hysteria.
I woke up a long time ago, and I completely agree with what you say about the media.

Sgt Oddball
Sgt Oddball
Mar 28, 2020 3:31 PM
Reply to  wardropper

“I woke up a long time ago, and I completely agree with what you say about the media.”

i know, wardropper, from reading your many other comments onsite, and as an OffG noobie please accept my apologies… – just *exasperated* at this media-driven psyopery.

– rather, please take my comments as intended, as attempting to illustrate a general point, and directed at the entire audience here, not you personally, tho’ i’ll admit this shit is making me more twichy than i’d like.

wardropper
wardropper
Mar 29, 2020 4:55 PM
Reply to  Sgt Oddball

I get the twitchiness too, Sgt, as well as your general point. It’s a problem I noticed as soon as texting and FaceBook became a thing in our society. People who actually meet and talk together are generally pretty considerate and read each other’s facial expressions accurately enough. But when all they have is a text to go on, it’s all-too easy to imagine a negative tone behind it.
I’m as guilty as anyone there, so my apologies too.

Mike Nagel
Mike Nagel
Mar 27, 2020 9:09 PM
Reply to  wardropper

If some celebrity gets the virus and then dies this will bring it home for many folks. But if Prince Charles, Tom Hanks, Mrs. Trudeau, Prime Minister Johnson and others all go on to live many more years the n what are we to think?

wardropper
wardropper
Mar 29, 2020 4:58 PM
Reply to  Mike Nagel

Exactly. Not that one would wish death upon anybody, but it would certainly alter the public perception of what seems to me, and to several respected scientists, to be a commonplace bug.
One thing that characterizes our modern media is that they never think anything through to the end, if that might conflict with “a dramatic narrative”.

SteveEss
SteveEss
Mar 27, 2020 12:23 PM

Apparently we PD’s (Pandemic Deniers) can no longer counter that “seasonal flu is far worse than Covid-19″… Turns out the CDC (and WHO, and others) have been lying about those #s for years as well…

https://blog.nomorefakenews.com/

I’m considering unretiring, and opening up ‘Ye Olde Iron Umbrella Shop’…

Borncynic
Borncynic
Mar 27, 2020 11:59 AM

Just back from my daily trip to the circus, that I previously called a supermarket. The tape is now being stuck to the pavement outside and sheep are being made to queue acres apart. The one-upmanship amongst the retailers is a sight to see now. By tomorrow I fully expect to see the supermarket further down the road crank up the symbolism with some other futile idea.

Thom
Thom
Mar 27, 2020 12:28 PM
Reply to  Borncynic

I’ve just done the same – an hour’s wait to get into Sainsbury’s. I don’t think many of us will be looking at the supermarkets in the same light again after these events. It all seems suspiciously well planned and coordinated too.
But if there is a positive, at least it should show beyond doubt what the British government has become – a treacherous junta of big business and the security agencies that has left the country like a cross between Soviet Russia and the Taliban’s Afghanistan.

clickkid
clickkid
Mar 27, 2020 1:03 PM
Reply to  Thom

Dictatorships like people standing far apart. It means they can’t whisper anything to each other.

wardropper
wardropper
Mar 27, 2020 2:13 PM
Reply to  clickkid

They still have their mobiles – as yet…

Reg
Reg
Mar 27, 2020 3:16 PM
Reply to  clickkid

Excellent! I wish I had thought of these lines!

Mike Ellwood
Mike Ellwood
Mar 27, 2020 11:25 PM
Reply to  clickkid

hmm…yes, weren’t queues outside shops supposed to be a typical negative stereotypical image of the communist system?

Sgt Oddball
Sgt Oddball
Mar 27, 2020 1:12 PM
Reply to  Borncynic

starve them of your bux… – all of the local grocers near me (indian, pakistani, lebanese, etc.,…) ain’t getting their shelves stripped bare… – am *very* lucky to have a lebanese supermarket open 24/7 and *chock-full* of produce (incl: fresh fruit and veg) right now… – all the muppets seem to be heading for the big chains…

**think* global, *act* local…*

Jo Dominich
Jo Dominich
Apr 1, 2020 3:27 PM
Reply to  Sgt Oddball

Sgt yep. I have a Lidl 4 mins walk away, and it is an oasis of calm actually. I can also recommend Poundland, the corner shops you refer to as I have for a long time bought rice, herbs and other food from the local Asian Food Shop. I buy my meat from a butchers and, not being a fruit or a vegetable eater with the exception of peas and tomatoes, buy what I need in my local market. A City Analyst said on the radio that, at the end of last week, there was £1bn more food in people’s houses than ever before. Who is making megabucks here?

Sgt Oddball
Sgt Oddball
Mar 27, 2020 11:45 AM

just stuck my head out the window here in a typical brit metropolis and grabbed a lungful or two, and i thought of this:…

“Not a Martian in sight! The day seemed dazzling bright after my imprisonment and the sky a glowing blue. Red Weed covered every scrap of ground but a gentle breeze kept it swaying, and oh! the sweetness of the air!”

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S6A4F5ai2kI

– you can *literally* smell spring (for once)…

*this too shall pass*…

Estaugh
Estaugh
Mar 27, 2020 11:38 AM

Just announced on RT, Borish has tested positive for coronavirus: Peter and the Wolf?

Thom
Thom
Mar 27, 2020 12:30 PM
Reply to  Estaugh

Right on cue – and I guess he doesn’t need to worry about moving between his various houses and families. I wonder what else he tests positive for?

wardropper
wardropper
Mar 27, 2020 2:26 PM
Reply to  Thom

What else he tests positive for will be revealed after 30 years.

wardropper
wardropper
Mar 27, 2020 2:26 PM
Reply to  wardropper

Correction: 30 years, plus his remaining life-span.

Jo Dominich
Jo Dominich
Apr 1, 2020 3:32 PM
Reply to  wardropper

Wardropper, I like it. It brought a smile and a laugh. I strongly suspect that what he will be diagnosed with in 30 years plus his remaining life span depends on how far up the Orange Baboon’s nether regions his head is up. Shit is highly contagious when a Baboon and his Mini Me Baboon spout it from their mouths and causes a speech disorder underpinned by a complete inability to tell the truth.

wardropper
wardropper
Mar 27, 2020 2:23 PM
Reply to  Estaugh

I don’t like to indulge in semantics, but aren’t we talking about “The Boy Who Cried, ‘Wolf'”?
Peter and the Wolf is not about a boy who was constantly alarming people by pretending he saw a wolf, but is best known as a musical story by Prokofiev for narrator and orchestra about a boy who fearlessly trapped a local wolf and marched home with it, along with his animal companions. The music is priceless. Highly recommended for all ages, unlike Boorish, who would never fearlessly do anything at all – except talk crap.

Estaugh
Estaugh
Mar 27, 2020 11:03 PM
Reply to  wardropper

Yes, your right. The boy who cried wolf. Thanks.

Alan Tench
Alan Tench
Mar 27, 2020 11:29 AM

Did anyone mention identity cards? They’d be really useful to those low-life police hounding people in the countryside.

jay
jay
Mar 27, 2020 11:49 AM
Reply to  non

Whaaaaallllll, that illness is a veritable heat seeker for folk in the GNUs….

Sgt Oddball
Sgt Oddball
Mar 27, 2020 11:51 AM
Reply to  non

…i bet all the celebs falling prey to the lurgi make a *remarkable* recovery, – alternatively maybe they’ll *die in agony* as this “doctor”, writing for the heil describes…

– judge for yourselves (the heil article, not bojo’s chances, more’s the pity)…

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8138581/Coronavirus-frontline-NHS-doctor-reveals-patients-dying-agony-just-start.html?fbclid=IwAR0JWmR9COpjyz_sMfe5SOcYuViJsKq9bnHyQFGxeUs6l1ilU3p85nF0jSg

JudyJ
JudyJ
Mar 27, 2020 11:14 AM

I’ve heard it all now. I saw yesterday circulating on Twitter video footage from the Peak District showing people individually or in couples walking remotely in the Peak District with no one else near them. There were captions over each piece of footage saying that they were contravening the containment rules because they had driven there. I thought it was a parody but I have just heard on the Radio news that it was genuine aerial footage filmed by the local police and they had produced it as a public information bulletin. The police chief in charge was asked to explain the heavy-handed approach. His sarcastic and smug defence was that it was perfectly justifiable because instructions to the public are that they should only undertake essential travel and [in his words] “the instructions don’t say ‘keep travel to a minimum unless you happen to want to go to the… Read more »

JohnB
JohnB
Mar 27, 2020 11:34 AM
Reply to  JudyJ

Apologies, it is from the Gaurdian. Useful/important though

Police said members of the public should not be driving anywhere to walk their dogs or exercise.

However, the Guardian checked with the Cabinet Office, which is overseeing restrictions on movement, and a spokeswoman confirmed that the guidelines did not prohibit driving somewhere for exercise or dog walking.

Sgt Oddball
Sgt Oddball
Mar 27, 2020 3:25 PM
Reply to  JohnB

… – coz we could catch it form dogs?!??!!!…

😉

Sgt Oddball
Sgt Oddball
Mar 27, 2020 3:27 PM
Reply to  Sgt Oddball

“from dogs” … – *obviously* i can’t actually “form” dogs, like out of thin air, or shit…

😉

Mike Ellwood
Mike Ellwood
Mar 27, 2020 11:29 PM
Reply to  JohnB

You can always trust the coppers to exceed their authority. Which is why one should always always always question the routine request from them for extra powers. And that’s just in normal times. These times are anything but normal.

Jo Dominich
Jo Dominich
Apr 1, 2020 3:35 PM
Reply to  JudyJ

Peter Hitjchens blog. As the excellent Lord Sumption says, these so called containment measures are not law – there is a qualitative difference between instructions and the law. The Police cannot, and I repeat, cannot penalise members of the public for failing to follow unreasonable, idiotic instructions. The Police, as Lord Sumption quite rightly points out, are the to uphold the LAW not INSTRUCTIONS

sabelmouse
sabelmouse
Mar 27, 2020 10:52 AM

not sure vaccine mandates will even be needed after this, or censorship re that issue.

Mikalina
Mikalina
Mar 27, 2020 11:11 AM
Reply to  sabelmouse

Sadly, Mouse, and probably difficult for most members of the commonwealth to believe or understand, it will ALL be voluntary: the vaccines, the inspections, the directions, the food shortages, forced collections and distribution, the devolvement of power, the ‘watcher’ in each block, the reporting of, what… ‘rightists’, ‘subversives’, ‘bio-terrorists’?

If a plan has worked before, it will work again – and what we are going through has already happened elsewhere – and it worked.

milosevic
milosevic
Mar 27, 2020 10:38 AM

Moon of Alabama has clearly gone off the rails, but left this amusing graphic for posterity:

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Seamus Padraig
Seamus Padraig
Mar 27, 2020 11:03 AM
Reply to  milosevic

Yeah, very disappointed about MoA. I’ve followed ‘b’ for years! He almost never let us down on anything important in the past. Sad to see him succumb to the Great #CoronaHoax of 2020.

But there are actually quite a lot of people in the alt-media, both left and right, who really want to believe in this. They all seem to think they can somehow game this ‘plague’ politically to get their favorite reforms passed. The right-wingers are all so happy about having their borders back (even though they can’t leave their houses), while the lefties are overjoyed that they’re now all finally going to get socialized medicine–YEAH!!!

Poor dupes …

Sgt Oddball
Sgt Oddball
Mar 27, 2020 11:56 AM
Reply to  milosevic

*saved*…

– that’s a map of the dystopiaverse, right there…

Sgt Oddball
Sgt Oddball
Mar 27, 2020 11:58 AM
Reply to  Sgt Oddball

… – where’s ‘the man in the high castle’, tho’… – i feel cheated!…

😉

Thom
Thom
Mar 27, 2020 12:33 PM
Reply to  milosevic

Gone off the rails… or got a bung or threat to toe the line. It isn’t the only supposedly ‘alternative’ site, unfortunately, that has either been silent or mealy-mouthed about the coronavirus lockdown.

Reg
Reg
Mar 27, 2020 3:18 PM
Reply to  Thom

Maybe some grim-looking blokes came round with hammers to smash their laptops

Estaugh
Estaugh
Mar 27, 2020 10:34 AM

http://jdmichel.blog.tdg.ch/archive/2020/03/24/hydroxychloroquine-comment-la-mauvaise-science-est-devenue-u-305255.html. The link is in french, a must read, (for those with the lingo).Exposes the ties between govs and the Big Pharma lobbies; their collusion in policy making, how they control the ‘scientific’ narrative, (ie, lies), and why they poo-poo chloroquine. Plenty of links to other articles on same subject, some in english, (like the following):-https://publications.parliament.uk/pa/cm200405/cmselect/cmhealth/42/42.pdf . What is taking place is a Corporate coup d’etat, courtesy of our present governance of occupation.

sabelmouse
sabelmouse
Mar 27, 2020 11:44 AM
Reply to  Estaugh

weird, google not translating.

George Mc
George Mc
Mar 27, 2020 10:32 AM

I suppose this is marginally off topic but lots of folk have posted a clip of a Simpsons episode featuring the creation of a phoney pandemic. The trouble is that I can find nothing to tell me which episode this is from. There’s a Simpsons fan site which lists it as an episode called “The Plague” and yet the Wiki page of Simpsons episodes doesn’t list this title. (I’ve noted that some things are very difficult to find on the net. Is that intentional or am I being paranoid?) Can anyone help?

Here is the clip:

lundiel
lundiel
Mar 27, 2020 12:29 PM
Reply to  George Mc

That’s a cracker.

milosevic
milosevic
Mar 27, 2020 12:57 PM
Reply to  George Mc
George Mc
George Mc
Mar 27, 2020 9:23 PM
Reply to  milosevic

Thanks!

Reg
Reg
Mar 27, 2020 10:18 AM

Dear off-G bods, just to let you know, C J Hopkins’s latest piece is out. Grab it quick. I want to comment!

Arsebiscuits
Arsebiscuits
Mar 27, 2020 10:38 AM
Reply to  Reg

Can you link it?

Seamus Padraig
Seamus Padraig
Mar 27, 2020 11:12 AM
Reply to  Arsebiscuits
Steve
Steve
Mar 27, 2020 10:06 AM

Mega bail outs of trillions once again as the banks and corporations privatise their profits and socialise their losses. Governments are ushering in a new wave of socialism under the cover of an epidemic while the clueless masses cheer them on. They get what they deserve, just a pity that the well informed get dragged down with them too. It’s like a race to the bottom. Went to the supermarket today, nice and early, 7:15, thought I’d be wise and beat the scramble from the hoards. Pulled into the car park and saw an orderly queue of people waiting with their trolleys 2 meters apart. Thought ‘you sad bastards’. I then went and dutifully joined my place in the queue thus instantly becoming one of the plebs, and paying attention to the strips of hazard tape on the ground ensuring everyone complied. I noted 2 women were wearing face masks,… Read more »

Sgt Oddball
Sgt Oddball
Mar 27, 2020 1:20 PM
Reply to  Steve

*uuurrrrrggggh* – brains!…

Devan Maistry
Devan Maistry
Mar 27, 2020 10:04 AM

Nafeez Ahmed writes: I contacted Professor Neil Ferguson, the lead author of the Imperial College paper and a member of SAGE, about the problems identified with his paper and its underlying assumptions. He did not respond.
He did, however, surface on Twitter on 22 March, where he conceded that his model assumptions were written more than 13 years ago and based on the specific dynamics of a flu pandemic. In other words: the model was not calibrated for COVID-19 and failed to sufficiently incorporate new relevant data. According to Professor Sridhar, this is clear evidence of how the Government “messed up”.

https://bylinetimes.com/2020/03/23/covid-19-special-investigation-part-one-the-politicised-science-that-nudged-the-johnson-government-to-safeguard-the-economy-over-british-lives/

jay
jay
Mar 27, 2020 10:07 AM
Reply to  Devan Maistry

“The simplest way to judge whether we have an exceptionally lethal disease is to look at the death rates. Are more people dying than we would expect to die anyway in a given week or month? Statistically, we would expect about 51,000 to die in Britain this month. At the time of writing, 422 deaths are linked to Covid-19 so 0.8 per cent of that expected total. On a global basis, wed expect 14 million to die over the first three months of the year. The worlds 18,944 coronavirus deaths represent 0.14 per cent of that total. These figures might shoot up but they are, right now, lower than other infectious diseases that we live with (such as flu)”. Prof John Lee, writes for the Spectator.

JudyJ
JudyJ
Mar 27, 2020 10:53 AM
Reply to  Devan Maistry

“model assumptions were written more than thirteen years ago and based on the specific dynamics of a flu pandemic”

This sounds an appalling and disingenuous excuse. I wonder if Dr Ferguson might care to reveal how much of taxpayers’ money he was paid to regurgitate thirteen years old evaluations.

George Mc
George Mc
Mar 27, 2020 10:03 AM

I love your wit Off-G. From your twitter:

“Are you still arguing that the epidemiology is wrong?”

No. We’re arguing the epidemiology is right.

You’re saying the epidemiology doesn’t matter, because this nurse looks sad.

Sgt Oddball
Sgt Oddball
Mar 27, 2020 12:01 PM
Reply to  George Mc

it’s all about the *feels* – shurrup and eat yer greens, citizen!…

jay
jay
Mar 27, 2020 12:02 PM
Reply to  George Mc

I appreciate that and does it not just sum things up.
Maybe a round of applause would have cheered her up? I choose to show my appreciation in a different way by paying her wages with my taxes.

Joerg
Joerg
Mar 27, 2020 9:13 AM

Here something psychological: When we discuss with our fellow citizens that we don’t believe this Corona panic most of them – even very intelligent and reasonable people – refuse to listen to us any further. This is because we have hit a psychological problem: The “Overtone Window“. For this see: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Overton_window Two examples for “Overtone Window”: 1) About 10 years ago (nearly 10 years after 911) I was busy commenting on a quite good blog of a very “lefty” – if not Marxist – person. We also communicated with a lot of e-mails and by telephone. Of course he was against the wars against the Iraq and Afghanistan and so on. Of course he was against NATO and of course against George W. Bush. But when I demanded (in a discussion by telephone) that never a plane could have driven into this one side of the Pentagon he got very… Read more »

George Mc
George Mc
Mar 27, 2020 9:31 AM
Reply to  Joerg

The Overton Window would certainly apply to the presented political spectrum. Everyone is familiar with the “Left to Center to Right” line. The “acceptable” part of this line has been moving ever rightwards for a long time now. And when Tony Blair assumed the lead of Labour, they were practically indistinguishable from the Tories – a fact not lost on Margaret Thatcher who even referred to the shift as her greatest achievement. And it worked. Many thought – and still think – of Blair as “left”. Thus when Corbyn came along with some moderate but actual left policies, he was denounced for being an extremist!

Rhys Jaggar
Rhys Jaggar
Mar 27, 2020 9:53 AM
Reply to  Joerg

I agree with this, some of the blogs I quite enjoy reading and contirbuting to are having people start to say that sort of thing to me. ‘I hope that you have changed your views on CoVid19’ and the like: to which I reply ‘Show me the Data to make me change my mind!’ or the like. Data is not a BBC scaremongering article cherry picking data to maximise scaremongering. It is factual data without political manipulation. That is very difficult in this CoVid outbreak as mere presence of virus is now deemed to be cause of death in many places. Everyone with a brain knows that is not the case. What also gets my wick is how people claim that dying of CoVid19 is somehow worse than dying of any other number of diseases. My grandmother died in 1973 of metastatic bone cancer, which was singularly unpleasant. I personally… Read more »

JudyJ
JudyJ
Mar 27, 2020 11:02 AM
Reply to  Rhys Jaggar

Rhys

You fail to recognise that people infected with Covid-19 end up on mechanical respirators upside down, gasping for air and begging to be put out of their misery before they die.

😀 (I didn’t really want to put a smiley face but thought I ought to in order to confirm irony for the benefit of other readers!)

Mike Ellwood
Mike Ellwood
Mar 27, 2020 11:36 PM
Reply to  Rhys Jaggar

I agree with Woody Allen when he said “I don’t fear death. I just don’t want to be there when it happens”.

jay
jay
Mar 27, 2020 10:00 AM
Reply to  Joerg

Most people seem to forget, that we went to war based on a lie. The ones that do, blame the lone gunman, Tony Blair when the whole establishment including the third estate where rigidly behind the WMD. A massive conspiracy, that was a conspiracy theory then but is now just accepted as fact. Criminals conspired to lie to us for financial and material gain costing the deaths of 1 Million innocent people. Again, we have WMD, Boris’s WMD…Wuhan of Mass Distruction. If you are Christian and I am, then the heliocentric model of the solar system is not scriptural, since Joshua 10 tells us… On the day the Lord gave the Amorites over to Israel, Joshua said to the Lord in the presence of Israel: “Sun, stand still over Gibeon and you, moon, over the Valley of Aijalon.” 13 So the sun stood still and the moon stopped till the… Read more »

axisofoil
axisofoil
Mar 27, 2020 11:21 AM
Reply to  Joerg

I tell people they have to remember that the sun is on a rail, firmly fastened in the firmament at each end and turns off for the return trip in the dark. Explaining the rail’s arch in terms of the Golden Gate bridge or Hoover Dam adds depth.
When I travel, I don’t change my clock. I insist mine is the correct time and politely ask everyone to change theirs. This is a good exercise in observing facial expressions. When I compare these expressions to when I am telling people the truth, I find they are just about the same expressions. Almost like everyone has gone to the same Facial expression seminar.
I think you have also noticed that people are disconnected from reality. So……we might as well entertain ourselves while we are here.

Sgt Oddball
Sgt Oddball
Mar 27, 2020 12:38 PM
Reply to  axisofoil

it’s funny you saying this, axis… – back before this convid shit *got ‘real’* i watched the repo market blow-out last september and put my wargaming hat on:- just *what would it take* for the fuckers to keep their ponzi robbery-waggon on the road any further?… …every path led to this conclusion: – a reality-warping re-engineering of human society itself – *planetwide*… shortly after it struck me that we are at a historical *fulcrum*, not at all unlike the copernican revolution in cosmology which (amongst other things) overthrew the supremacy of the catholic church as a political power in europe (ie: ‘the modern world’). – go read arthur koestler’s ‘the sleepwalkers’ for an excellent lowdown on this… – what we are (potentially) now facing is *nothing less* than a ‘cosmological’ socio-econo-political paradigm shift away from a clapped-out old nag of an all-powerful financial system which pupeteers the rest of social… Read more »

Sgt Oddball
Sgt Oddball
Mar 27, 2020 12:03 PM
Reply to  Joerg

“the overtone window” … – so it’s something to do with harmonics, then?…

(*being facetious*… 😉 )

Sgt Oddball
Sgt Oddball
Mar 27, 2020 12:11 PM
Reply to  Sgt Oddball

… srsly tho’ – there is *no such* thing in our world as an ‘overton window’… – repeat after me: – “left *is* right *is* left *is* right *is* left *is* right *is* left…” – same goes for *any* other trivially ideological dialectic you care to map out… – at this point there is *only* them and us, evil and good…