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Standing on the Precipice of Martial Law

Matthew Ehret

General O’Shaugnessy, the man who could be President.

In my recent paper Why Assume There Will Be a 2020 Election?, I took the opportunity of today’s multifaceted crisis in order to revisit an important Wall Street-funded coup d’état effort of 1933-34.

As I explained in that location, this bankers’ coup was luckily exposed by a patriotic general named Smedley Darlington Butler during one of the darkest moments of America and profoundly changed the course of history.

The Deep State Plot Against JFK

The danger of World War and a military coup arose again during the short-lived administration of John F. Kennedy who found himself locked in a life or death struggle not with Russia, but with the Military Industrial Complex that had become dominated by the many Dr. Strangeloves of the Joint Chief of Staff and CIA who fanatically believed that America could win a nuclear war with Russia.

Kennedy’s valiant efforts to achieve dialogue with his Soviet counterparts, move towards peace in Vietnam, support of colonial liberation, promotion of space exploration and advocacy of a Nuclear Test Ban treaty made him a target of the Deep State of his time.

During this period, this effort was led from the top by JFK’s two most powerful American opponents: Allan Dulles (director of the CIA) and General Lyman Lemnitzer (head of the Joint Chiefs of Staff), both of whom were proponents of pre-emptive nuclear war, architects of the Bay of Pigs regime change trap and advocates of Operation Northwoods (an ultimate “inside job” precursor to 9/11 which JFK subverted).

As historian Anton Chaitkin recently reported:

“Lemnitzer had displayed what his faction viewed as his qualifications for this role back in August 1960, when, as Army chief of staff, he announced that the Army was all ready to “restore order” in the United States after a nuclear war with the Soviet Union—to bring back normalcy just as the military does after a flood or a riot”

This plot was detailed in a quasi-fictional book written by investigative journalists Fletcher Knebel and Charles Bailey published in 1962 entitled Seven Days in May and swiftly made into a famous film with unprecedented support by JFK himself who gave the film crew and director John Frankenheimer full access to the White House, advisors and materials for the film which he believed every American should see.

In the story, a patriotic lieutenant discovers the plans for the coup which is scheduled to take place during a vast military drill whereby a President who is close to finalizing a de-armament treaty with Russia will be incapacitated in a bunker while a military regime takes over America.

Tragically, where the lieutenant is able to expose the plot and save the nation in the story, by the time of the film’s 1964 release, JFK had been deposed by other means. Now 56 years later, history has begun to repeat itself with distinctly 21st century characteristics… and a viral twist.

The Stage is Again Set for Martial Law

Another President resistant to regime change and nuclear confrontation with Russia and China finds himself today in the White House in the form of Donald Trump.

As in 1933, today’s financial collapse threatens to rip the social and economic fabric of America to shreds, and just as in 1963 a powerful military industrial complex and private banking system manages a web of power which is devoted to overturning the 2016 election (and 1776 revolution) by any means. The biggest difference today is that a global coronavirus pandemic threatens to be the catalyzer used to justify military dictatorship in America and broader nuclear confrontation with Russia and China.

Instead of names like “Dulles”, or “Lemnitzer”, today’s coup directors feature such names as “Pompeo” and “O’Shaughnessy”… both Deep State assets highly positioned in 3rd and 4th place to take over the Presidency at the drop of a hat.

Terrence O’Shaughnessy: The Man Who Could Be President

Having slipped silently under the radar four weeks ago, the American Government passed a new emergency protocol into law which vastly expands powers and procedures of Martial Law under “Continuity of Government” which must be taken very seriously.

These new protocols deal at length with the triggering of Martial Law should the nation become ungovernable through a variety of foreseeable scenarios that COVID-19 has unleashed, such as “unwanted violence” caused by “food shortage, financial chaos” or also if the President, Vice President and Secretary of State all become incapacitated for any reason.

Even though this act was classified “Above Top Secret” a surprisingly in-depth March 18 Newsweek report by William Arkin documented how the “Combat Commander” of U.S. Northern Command (NORTHCOM) will immediately take power as a part of the “Continuity of Government” procedures which took on monstrous dimensions under the control of Dick Cheney in the wake of 9/11.

According to Newsweek, the new regulation drafted by the Joint Chiefs states that the military may take control where “duly constituted local authorities are unable to control the situation” even when “authorization by the President is impossible”. Arkin describes the new protocols for “devolving” leadership to second-tier officials in remote and quarantined locations.”

General O’Shaughnessy, (former Deputy of UN Command in Korea) currently doubles as the head of the North American Aerospace Defense Command (NORAD) and has devoted his past 14 months to the promotion of a military confrontation over the Arctic which he has described as “the new frontline of our homeland defense” against Russia and China who are “determined to exploit the region’s economic and strategic potential”.

NORTHCOM went operational on October 1, 2002 as part of the Neocon takeover of America. This neocon coup which came to full fruition with 9/11 was governed by a manifesto entitled the Project for a New American Century which laid out a Pax Americana of police state measures at home, regime change abroad and containment of a rising China and Russia under a religious belief in a unipolar world order.

This continental organization interfaces closely with both FEMA and the Department of Homeland Security, and was given a wide jurisdiction embracing not only the USA but also Mexico, Canada, Puerto Rico and the Bahamas, acting as “primary defender of an invasion of America”.

NORTHCOM interfaces closely with the deep state by hosting personnel from the FBI, CIA, NSA and Defense Intelligence Agency in its headquarters and is responsible for the protection of the President, Vice President and Secretary of State.

Most recently, RT has reported on March 28 that O’Shawnessy has ordered teams of “essential staff” deep into vast bunkers 650 meters below the surface in Cheyenne Mountain, Colorado to “wait out the COVID-19 crisis”.

Announcing this secretive mission, the General tweeted “Our dedicated professionals of the NORAD and NORTHCOM Command and control watch have left their homes, said goodbye to their families and are isolated from everyone to ensure they can stand watch each and every day to defend our homeland.”

Other military personnel have been banned from travelling and commanded to stay near their bases ready for action and as of March 30, over 14,600 National Guard forces have been deployed to all 50 states. Although they cannot currently engage in policing due to the 1878 US Posse Comitatus Act, Martial Law would render that provision null and void.

It is also noteworthy that only one day after the Coronavirus was labelled an “international public health emergency” by the World Health Organization on January 30, Defense Secretary Mark Esper approved nationwide pandemic plans and warned NORTHCOM to “prepare to deploy”.

This author doesn’t believe it to be a coincidence that patriotic voices who would typically be opposed to such a Martial Law agenda have been taken out of public life due to chaos emerging from the Coronavirus with Senator Ron Paul’s March 22 COVID-19 diagnosis forcing him into quarantine and the politically naive Tulsi Gabbard’s dropping out of the presidential race in order “to be prepared for the national guard duties”.

It isn’t very hard to imagine a COVID-19 diagnosis, real or fabricated to take the President and other members of the government out of office at a moment’s notice.

Time is running out for America and only bold, decisive action taken courageously and swiftly can change the course of self-annihilation upon which the republic now finds itself.

Presidents Xi Jinping and Putin have opened their arms to welcome America and other western nations into their new multipolar system which is built not upon a worship of money or militarism, but rather cooperation and creative mutual growth.

Project Airbridge collaboration between China and the USA has begun as a part of the Health Silk Road bringing millions of medical supplies to America.

Meanwhile, a brilliant coalition of former Latin American heads of State called for the creation of a new just economic order and debt jubilee as a response to the failure of the neoliberal system which shines a principled light out of the current threefold danger of economic collapse, war and Martial Law.

Originally published by Strategic Culture

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Arby
Arby
Apr 13, 2020 6:35 AM

I have zero use for Matthew’s fake history.

The Kennedy’s were terrorists, even if a good man, Robert Kennedy Jr, thinks otherwise.

https://app.box.com/s/nrb7s56g6qzwi9323nuve1irt8oe4lpc

paul
paul
Apr 11, 2020 8:03 PM

US Crapitalism has entered its Terminal Looting Phase.
The multi trillion bailout will be an action replay of 2008 on a vastly greater scale.
Administered by a real Swindler’s List of Kushner, Fink, Mnuchin, and a roll call of Wailing Wall Street’s finest, every Shylock spiv and shyster on the books.
The National Debt has jumped unnoticed way past $24 trillion.
With a Budget Deficit of $2.5 trillion of the $5.6 trillion Budget, way past 40% and growing.
All this will be clawed back with austerity on steroids and attempts by the Orange Baboon to steal Chinese and other countries’ assets to pay for it all.

Reg
Reg
Apr 10, 2020 4:06 PM
Alan Tench
Alan Tench
Apr 10, 2020 3:16 PM

This is what we’re up against in the UK:

https://twitter.com/grandad1975/status/1248247686563631104?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw

The officer in question has been ‘reprimanded’ for her gross stupidity, but unfortunately it appears to be a typical example of police idiocy.

Reg
Reg
Apr 10, 2020 3:50 PM
Reply to  Alan Tench

Sweet mother of Jesus (pbuh). I’m going to go out on a limb and say that this state of siege is here to stay. They’ll let the sheep out in the summer for a bit of frolicking but under watchful eyes. Probably with some distancing rules in place. Large gatherings of beer drinkers to be banned so that there’s no danger of riots if an economically ruined people start talking and decide to break out of their prison. Then come autumn expect the second “wave” of the virus and more hysteria. This repeats until the magic vaccine and digital implants are ready. After that, if you commit a thoughtcrime, you’re effectively vaporised.

tonyopmoc
tonyopmoc
Apr 10, 2020 4:50 PM
Reply to  Alan Tench

I don’t blame the police. They have been brainwashed too. They are frightened too. In fact almost everyone I know is both brainwashed, frightened, and not making my any sense. An extremely large number of people, were self employed, or employed on minimum wage at small businesses – most of which have been closed down. If this goes on for much longer, those businesses will go bust. Many of these people will not get any dole. If they have any family, most will be struggling too. How are people supposed to pay for food to eat, even if they get in the supermarket, to find the very last 4 Hot Cross buns, as my wife did today. She said, all the shelves had been cleared. There was almost nothing else left.

Tony

Oliver
Oliver
Apr 10, 2020 4:56 PM
Reply to  Alan Tench

Bear in mind that the Coronavirus Act became law in the UK by Royal Assent. It why they are called Rulers, as they set the Rules. Crown Immunity means they don’t have any need to abide by them. Bum deal for us.

George Mc
George Mc
Apr 10, 2020 11:08 PM
Reply to  Alan Tench

The officer in question has been ‘reprimanded’ for her gross stupidity

Only because she was being filmed. Otherwise she would have been congratulated.

And on that note, in a conversation with friends today, one of them mooted the notion that we were headed towards a police state and another, instead of picking up the ominous significance of that, said “Yes – damn straight! We need the police to come in!”

And we used to wonder at how the Germans became enthusiastic supporters of Hitler!

JudyJ
JudyJ
Apr 12, 2020 12:18 PM
Reply to  George Mc

George

I take it there were at least three of you in conversation? Isn’t that a bit anarchic? How did you achieve that without being arrested?? 😉 😉

George Mc
George Mc
Apr 12, 2020 8:05 PM
Reply to  JudyJ

It is seriously scary. When a friend called, he was floored by one of our dogs who was so glad to see him. I was about to take a photo and then stopped myself. I don’t want to create incriminating evidence!

Moneycircus
Moneycircus
Apr 10, 2020 9:20 AM

Whenever the rich talk about luck, you should be very suspicious. Opportunistic yes, but they leave nothing to chance. The wealthy are supremely suspicious and, if you are one of them or you know some of them, you will acknowledge that they are always on alert to the possibility that the person on the other side of the bargain might gain more benefit than they. In my few dealings with the very wealthy I have found them so suspicious, so averse to losing out, the negotiations so long and unpleasant that I walked away. I don’t have what it takes to be rich.

Bill Gates claims he was lucky time after time. I would say only one of those incidents was truly luck: being born as the progeny of a legal and banking family. Lucky again: Mom had some spare computers and gave them to Bill’s school. Lucky a third time: IBM approached the unknown Gates in 1980 asking him to develop an operating system. Lucky a fourth time: Gates sent them to another company but the negotiations went badly and IBM came back to Gates. Gates knew a company that did have a product called Q-DOS. IBM also knew this but chose to secretly use Gates to acquire Q-DOS. Lucky a fifth time: IBM then chose not to buy the product from Gates but to pay him a royalty instead.

None of this stands up to logic: Why didn’t IBM go straight for Q-DOS; why did it first ask Gates to develop an OS; if it wanted a stealthy bid for Q-DOS why initially break off talks with Gates; and if it wanted Q-DOS why settle for not owning it but simply paying royalties?

Gates as a front is the more likely story. Fronting is common in business and even more so in intelligence. Silicon Valley was established by the Department of Defense. Computer development was supervised by the military and back in 1980 IBM was the computer industry.

IBM was, famously, the company that made Hitler’s trains run on time. IBM’s Hollerith cards ran the racial classification system. Without its punch cards the Nazis eugenicists would not have been able to categorize the homosexuals, gypsies and Jews. IBM’s AI supercomputer Watson is not named after Sherlock Homes’ sidekick but Thomas J Watson, Hitler’s sidekick who was awarded he highest decoration given to a non-German, the Merit Cross of the German Eagle With Star.

Eugenics runs deep in the Gates family, too. William Henry Gates II, aged 94, often photographed with smiling, diverse children, sat on the board of Planned Parenthood, the former American Eugenics Society.

William Henry Gates III is not the product of luck but a representative of established interests that shaped the 20th century and which are seeking to dominate the 21st. The working assumption must be that Gates is a front for the confluence of those same interests that have brought us to the brink of hell on more than one occasion.

jay
jay
Apr 10, 2020 12:15 PM
Reply to  Moneycircus

J.K.Rowling rumoured to be a ‘front’.

Vivian J
Vivian J
Apr 12, 2020 11:11 AM
Reply to  jay

Highly likely. Nice friendly occultism for children.

fred
fred
Apr 10, 2020 7:34 AM

This article is directly relevant to the article above:

Coronavirus: What Newsweek Failed to Mention About “Continuity of Government”

nondimenticare
nondimenticare
Apr 10, 2020 1:53 AM

Not directly on topic, bud kinda sorta, could someone enlighten me as to what is going on in New York? I’m in Canada, don’t listen to/watch MSM, and have heard nothing except that coronavirus is a true epidemic there. Every time I suggest to someone that the measures being taken worldwide are draconian, harmful, and do not bode well, he/she says “What about New York?” Well, what about New York?

crispy
crispy
Apr 10, 2020 8:59 AM
Reply to  nondimenticare

Why don’t you just watch your TV and you’ll find out?

Whatever you do don’t watch kremlin propaganda channel RT International,well you probably will now I’ve said that,silly me!

Moneycircus
Moneycircus
Apr 10, 2020 1:35 AM

Bill Gates has bought up the media. Do you expect them to report on him objectively?
Sherri Fink wrote a report for the NYT about being in a hospital in Brooklyn reporting on the dire conditions for staff and patients. But who is Sherri Fink?
The same producer, Sherri Fink, who made two puff pieces on Bill Gates for Netflix. One is called Inside Bill’s Brain and he is portrayed as the nerd genius. The other is Pandemic. Sherri Fink also worked on health and fellowship positions for Bill Gates in the past.
Bill Gates is buying influence in the media on a massive level: The Guardian Public Health Section entirely funded by Gates 9 million dollars; the BBC 49 million dollars to the BBC’s media action center; Al Jazeera 1 million dollars; NBC 3 million dollars.
From 58 minutes on The Grayzone video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?reload=9&v=8676Q93GW1k

paul
paul
Apr 10, 2020 2:58 AM
Reply to  Moneycircus

BBC Media Action is the outfit Zaghari Ratcliffe was working for, training subversives and opposition activists in Iran.

Frank Speaker
Frank Speaker
Apr 10, 2020 9:02 AM
Reply to  Moneycircus

But Bill Gates isn’t jewish.

George Mc
George Mc
Apr 10, 2020 9:53 AM
Reply to  Frank Speaker

Didn’t know you were anti-Semitic, Frank.

jay
jay
Apr 10, 2020 12:01 PM
Reply to  George Mc

Gates is still a couple of billion dollars short of being Jewish.

Cesca
Cesca
Apr 10, 2020 1:33 AM

Excellent article but the COG has been in control in the US since the date of 11/09/01 itself, COG is a component of most Western states since WWII but only in the direst of circs, not in contrived circs such as 9/11.

No doubt about it, whether you want to call them the Shadow Govt, the Establishment or the High Cabal like Winston Churchill did, a shadowy group of socio/psychopaths have been the real powers behind the curtain for at least 150 years, which is a minimum.

These things are not human, they are a biological error, aberrant, seriously recommend reading Anthropologist Christopher Boehm’s Hierachy in the Forest to understand what they are and how they should be dealt with.

Cesca
Cesca
Apr 10, 2020 1:40 AM
Reply to  Cesca

P.S. Seriously think this vid should go viral: COVID-19: The PANICdemic and What’s to Come – https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZiOdxRluLF8

Cicatriz
Cicatriz
Apr 10, 2020 12:29 AM

Probably would have been better in the Bill Gates thread, but a week is a long time in our current world of being stuck indoors doing nothing and the threads are moving on fast.

https://www.sott.net/article/432171-Bill-Gates-Obsession-With-Vaccines

Robert Kennedy Jr discussing Gates’ obsession with vaccines.

Moneycircus
Moneycircus
Apr 10, 2020 1:47 AM
Reply to  Cicatriz

Bill Gates is a dodgy businessman who pays journalists to write nice things about him. The crook who stole from Xerox and cornered the market in operating systems through a rigged deal with PC manufacturers. Even the people he pays to be his fans know the joke about Microsoft being a vector for viruses.
Even if he was not a front for intelligence at the beginning he soon became that, buying Skype, Linked-in, data entry like Swift-key, media outlets… see a connection?

jason_piewell
jason_piewell
Apr 10, 2020 8:52 AM
Reply to  Moneycircus

Bill Gates is the perfect establishment choice to push through draconian agendas, obscenely rich, yet looks like such a nice smiley kindly old man Grandfather-like figure, as he injects us with debilitating poison!

Frank Speaker
Frank Speaker
Apr 10, 2020 9:06 AM
Reply to  Moneycircus

Bill Gates is helping countless millions of people survive deadly diseases. Because he’s a capitalist doing so rather than a Marxist, many commenters here despise him. Would you rather those people died instead?

jason_piewell
jason_piewell
Apr 10, 2020 9:22 AM
Reply to  Frank Speaker

Is he? Proof?

Reg
Reg
Apr 10, 2020 10:45 AM
Reply to  Frank Speaker

OK, I’ll bite. Your precious capitalist Bill Gates is a great cheerleader for Monsanto’s poisons.

jason_piewell
jason_piewell
Apr 10, 2020 11:14 AM
Reply to  Frank Speaker

Recent quote from Bill Gates: “Even the issue of once you get the case numbers down, what does opening up look like? Which activities like schools have such benefits that can be done in such a way that the risk of transmission is very low, and which activities like mass gatherings may be in a certain sense more optional, so until you’re widely vaccinated, those may not, uh, come back, uh, at all.” Make of that what you will, but to me it’s a very sinister message and potentially spells the end of at least 200,000 years of human social interaction

Cicatriz
Cicatriz
Apr 10, 2020 11:17 AM
Reply to  jason_piewell

I always thought the point of living was to live.

Cicatriz
Cicatriz
Apr 10, 2020 12:32 PM
Reply to  Frank Speaker

From the above article:

“Promising to eradicate Polio with $1.2 billion, Gates took control of India ‘s National Advisory Board (NAB) and mandated 50 polio vaccines (up from 5) to every child before age 5. Indian doctors blame the Gates campaign for a devastating vaccine-strain polio epidemic that paralyzed 496,000 children between 2000 and 2017. In 2017, the Indian Government dialed back Gates’ vaccine regimen and evicted Gates and his cronies from the NAB. Polio paralysis rates dropped precipitously. ”

Nice help.

Mike Ellwood
Mike Ellwood
Apr 10, 2020 9:03 PM
Reply to  Cicatriz

Jesus! And he’s currently lecturing the world about a Covid-19 vaccine?

DunGroanin
DunGroanin
Apr 10, 2020 9:28 PM
Reply to  Cicatriz

Genuinely brilliant – a Kennedy still lives!
Maybe Bob should have added another line to his opus at the end something like – ‘you can murder the brothers too; their kids will come and then the grandkids – you can’t kill them all and they need just one shot to kill you mofo’s. Better start running’.

Bill looks like the kid Damian the devil child who got the worlds souls through Microsoft – as he was born too it. Makes one almost suspect Steve Jobs may have been whacked! And Apple aint as evil as its name implies…all very biblical.

But what a amazing public call out by RK jr!

Cicatriz
Cicatriz
Apr 10, 2020 10:13 PM
Reply to  DunGroanin

It gives me some hope

Shaking My Head
Shaking My Head
Apr 10, 2020 10:39 PM
Reply to  Cicatriz

Controversial vaccine studies: Why is Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation under fire from critics in India?

https://economictimes.indiatimes.com/industry/healthcare/biotech/healthcare/controversial-vaccine-studies-why-is-bill-melinda-gates-foundation-under-fire-from-critics-in-india/articleshow/41280050.cms

NEW DELHI: The Centre has shut the gate on the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation on a critical national health mission, and possible conflict of interest issues arising from the foundation’s “ties” with pharmaceutical companies is one of the reasons.

https://economictimes.indiatimes.com/news/politics-and-nation/centre-shuts-gate-on-bill-melinda-gates-foundation/articleshow/57028697.cms?from=mdr

clickkid
clickkid
Apr 10, 2020 12:15 AM

Another thing..

I’m sick of hearing about ‘our fantastic NHS’. All this clapping nonsense.

They are doing a job for which they get paid – like millions of others.

A study I read years ago came to the conclusion that after circulatory diseases and cancer, mistakes made by medical workers were the largest cause of death.

John ErvIn
John ErvIn
Apr 10, 2020 1:27 AM
Reply to  clickkid

That’s gospel. That’s a constant, not just years ago. . I’ve read repeatedly, thru years, that administering the wrong drugs, etc. , are the 2nd or 3rd most fatalities. It’s a staggering stat.

Willem
Willem
Apr 10, 2020 6:50 AM
Reply to  John ErvIn

I agree. And being a health worker myself, I can say: it is pretty awkward to hear people clap for people like me doing their job.

Reminds me that people also clap for airline pilots, certainly after they had a scary landing

Which shows that the hand clapping is fear induced.

And the heroism of health workers, who just do their job, as propagated by the meanstream media, is a perfect cover for journalists and politicians who are not doing their job.

Mike Ellwood
Mike Ellwood
Apr 10, 2020 10:26 AM
Reply to  John ErvIn

As I have said in another thread, I and my family have reason to be grateful to the NHS (not COVID19 related), and I show this gratitude by faithfully paying my taxes which I have been. doing for 52 years.

However, in the context of Covid19, only a fraction of us will need the services of the NHS.
100% of us will however, need the services of the workers in the food supply industry: farmers, importers, supermarkets, small shops, milkmen, truck drivers, freight train workers, etc, etc. I’m very grateful to all of those who are still working in this field, without whom we would not survive for very long.

Also, to a slightly lesser extent, postmen and courier drives; bin men.

I’m sure there are others.

John Pretty
John Pretty
Apr 10, 2020 10:18 AM
Reply to  clickkid

No, actually being mortal is actually the largest cause of death.

We simply do not have a rational way of coming to terms with this in our mollycoddled, technologically advanced cultures.

jim
jim
Apr 11, 2020 8:34 AM
Reply to  clickkid

Medical practitioners (doctors, nurses) just follow orders. It’s a military system. What should be criticized is the medical establishment, the ones that are giving the orders.

Daniel Spaniel
Daniel Spaniel
Apr 10, 2020 12:03 AM

I’m preparing to return to work… could somebody be so kind as to provide evidence that the corona virus cannot survive under these warm weather conditions… it is more difficult to provide evidence of malpractice in hospitals as people have been suffering at the hands of the NHS for years with little redress…

Richard Le Sarc
Richard Le Sarc
Apr 10, 2020 12:16 AM
Reply to  Daniel Spaniel

If you look at the disease progression in Indonesia, well it doesn’t look likely

Daniel Spaniel
Daniel Spaniel
Apr 10, 2020 12:40 AM

Indonesia not the most freedom-loving country?

Richard Le Sarc
Richard Le Sarc
Apr 10, 2020 9:39 AM
Reply to  Daniel Spaniel

Please explain.

cachaciero
cachaciero
Apr 10, 2020 11:34 AM
Reply to  Daniel Spaniel

True but it is one with an extremely high population density and while I believe that there is some evidence that the virus doesn’t like high temperatures, it probably doesn’t like high UV either but disease progression in Indonesia undoubtedly has a lot to do with general health, and living conditions IMHO.

Richard Le Sarc
Richard Le Sarc
Apr 12, 2020 5:59 AM
Reply to  cachaciero

Swings and roundabouts. ‘Too early to say’, as Zhou En-lai said.

Willem
Willem
Apr 10, 2020 6:54 AM

If you look at Southern Hemisphere (autumn) vs Northern hemisphere (Spring), it is very likely.

That+ that viruses can survive in a closed and rather cold airconditioned environment, as countries like Indonesia have in abundance (hotels, airports, etc)

jason_piewell
jason_piewell
Apr 10, 2020 9:00 AM
Reply to  Willem

In Cambodia, where currently it is constantly over 35degrees and over 60% humidity has had recorded just 119 cases. However i think the point about the weather affecting the virus is often missed, exposure to sunlight/vitamin D is long proven to help a strong immune system/protection against contagious virus, as is a healthy diet of fresh food. Lack of Vitamin D is said to be the main driver of the annual Winter influenza outbreaks, which is the main reason why Police moving on sunbathers to “stop the spread of COVID-19” is utter lunacy.

Mike Ellwood
Mike Ellwood
Apr 10, 2020 10:28 AM
Reply to  jason_piewell

Couldn’t agree more!

Willem
Willem
Apr 10, 2020 6:56 AM
Reply to  Daniel Spaniel

‘ I’m preparing to return to work… could somebody be so kind as to provide evidence that the corona virus cannot survive under these warm weather conditions’

Proof is difficult. But there certainly is a correlation between countries like Italy, NL and China, that when temps get >20C the number of people with Covid19 who visit the hospital plummet.

That correlation plus that coronaviruses are winter viruses is good enough evidence for me

clickkid
clickkid
Apr 9, 2020 11:57 PM

I know that the statistics are obviously a complete mess, but just for fun:

UK – Population 65m – deaths 7978

Sweden – Population 10m – deaths 809

UK – deaths per Million – 123

Sweden – deaths per Million – 81

Richard Le Sarc
Richard Le Sarc
Apr 10, 2020 12:17 AM
Reply to  clickkid

Still too early to draw conclusions.

Willem
Willem
Apr 10, 2020 7:01 AM

Tell me, when would you be convinced that the lock down measures, for which there is no evidence that it works, don’t work?

To me, those who believe that lock down measures work, are just that: ardent believers

Richard Le Sarc
Richard Le Sarc
Apr 10, 2020 9:42 AM
Reply to  Willem

After they are eased. Then we will see if the ‘second wave’ theories are correct. So far most of the predictions have been ludicrously overstated. That could be because of lockdown measures, or not. Ardent disbelief is also misguided.

Richard Le Sarc
Richard Le Sarc
Apr 12, 2020 6:00 AM

Even the merest dissent from the cult invites down-votes aplenty.

Admin2
Admin
Admin2
Apr 12, 2020 2:56 PM

Which ‘cult’ would that be, exactly?

Mike Ellwood
Mike Ellwood
Apr 10, 2020 10:37 AM
Reply to  clickkid

If you haven’t, check out the Youtube channel “Peerless Reads” (Andrew Mather).

He gets a bit carried away sometimes, but makes valid points I believe.

And yes, it may be too early to say, but if we end up with more deaths, it will be down to a general poor state of health due to junk food, stress and poverty, overt and hidden.
And in many cases being treated with unnecessary & useless prescription drugs.

I think Mather shows that Norway has an even lower death rate. But it’s well known that Norway, Sweden and Denmark have a high standard of living and good social cohesiveness, and in the case of Norway especially, an active outdoors-y lifestyle (in spite of the climate), which I suspect keeps them healthy.

jack(jim)
jack(jim)
Apr 9, 2020 10:41 PM

I don’t know if I trust this article but they climb it is full of proof.

COVID 19: Created in North Carolina for Bio-Warfare, Paid for by CIA, Trump Blames China (March 27 story)

https://www.veteranstoday.com/2020/04/09/pravda-us-army-created-covid-19-in-2015-research-proofs-or-debunking-you-pick/

clickkid
clickkid
Apr 9, 2020 10:59 PM
Reply to  jack(jim)

Covid-19 is psychological warfare – not biological – look at the data.

Veterans Today has come out with all sorts of nonsense over the years.

RobG
RobG
Apr 9, 2020 11:16 PM
Reply to  clickkid

Yes, I agree with that; although VT do sometimes come out with some good stuff.

Back in the day, KB’s interview on Fox was an absolute classic!

John ErvIn
John ErvIn
Apr 9, 2020 11:32 PM
Reply to  clickkid

Why go to all the cost and talent-sensitive expenditures, when you create as big ~or bigger~ a s**tstorm for us all with a menu of psywarfare and micro-managed media ops?

The psyop doesn’t have as many uncontainable perimeters as an unprecedented bug.

Strategically better in a cost/benefits analysis.

Rhys Jaggar
Rhys Jaggar
Apr 10, 2020 7:35 PM
Reply to  jack(jim)

You should not trust it.

The original research they quote does NOT describe the creation of SARS-CoV2, but it does describe creation of a hybrid virus including part of a bat coronavirus. They did develop the sorts of technologies necessary to develop a Coronavirus Bioweapon, but that paper does not prove that the US made SARS-CoV2.

It is still possible that the US did make it, but the evidence cited in that article is NOT proof.

RobG
RobG
Apr 9, 2020 10:30 PM

I should start some headlines that are the funniest, and I’ll start with this one…

https://www.theguardian.com/business/2020/apr/09/bank-of-england-to-finance-uk-government-covid-19-crisis-spending#maincontent

The Bank of England is, effectively, a private bank (just like the Fed in the US is). The money that the UK government is now borrowing from the Bank of England has to be paid back with interest.

The UK is a sovereign government that has the ability to print and issue its own currency. It does not need to borrow and pay interest to outside entities.

The present banking system is one of the biggest cons in human history.

crank
crank
Apr 9, 2020 11:15 PM
Reply to  RobG

I don’t think that is correct. The Bank of England (unlike the Fed) is a public bank : it is owned by the state. It has not been allowed to print money for the state though (since the First World War?) , but despite the denials:

Both the chancellor, Rishi Sunak, and the Bank’s governor, Andrew Bailey, are keen to quash speculation that the cost of the lockdown will eventually force the government into monetary financing, also known as “helicopter money”.

this is exactly what will happen. It will be a new era.
Boait’s comment is a noteworthy inclusion in the article.
I was for several years an active member of Positive Money, until my view about it changed. The debt free money idea makes some sense if applied correctly, but their vision of the Bank of England is liberal idiocy. The Old Lady of Threadneedle Street has a dark and sordid history which PosMoney simply ignore, choosing instead to trust the money power to the technocrats instead of the technocrats’ siblings in the private banks. Positive Money is dangerously naive in my opinion. The Bank of England should be reformed beyond all recognition.
I don’t know if I go as far as Prof. Werner’s declaration of P.M. being an astro-turf organisation (although The Guardian’s love of P.M. makes one think), but Werner’s solution of community banks makes far more sense to me, and is proven.

RobG
RobG
Apr 10, 2020 12:07 AM
Reply to  crank

I’m sorry, but I have no idea of what you’re going on about.

Are you trying to tell us that the Bank of England is not a private bank? because that’s not true.

Are you trying to tell us that a private bank can loan money at interest to a government that can issue its own currency?

Richard Le Sarc
Richard Le Sarc
Apr 10, 2020 12:19 AM
Reply to  RobG

The City of London is a private fiefdom.

RobG
RobG
Apr 10, 2020 12:37 AM
Reply to  RobG

I appreciate that what ‘crank’ and I are going on about at the moment might seem a bit mad to many folks, but it is absolutely fundamental when it comes to understanding the present economic collapse.

Bottom line is, if you can print your own currency, as one of the largest economies in the world (I’m talking about the likes of the UK), you never need to borrow money and pay interest on it,

The fact that they do borrow money and pay huge amounts of interest on it shows how totally corrupt they are.

It’s all very simple, really.

Cicatriz
Cicatriz
Apr 10, 2020 10:18 PM
Reply to  RobG

My discovery of fractional reserve banking following the financial crash was the final piece of the jigsaw. When completed, it read “you’re screwed.”

crank
crank
Apr 10, 2020 7:18 AM
Reply to  RobG

As I understand it, the Bank of England is not a private bank, no. If you have information otherwise please share. I have read this claim made many times over the years, and whilst I am ever open to being wrong, ever open to accepting yet another deception created by the powerful, I have never seen anything that tells us otherwise.
It used to be a private bank. It was created by private interests to fleece the nation. It’s key employees and directors are all closely connected to the world of private finance, and its role in the economy is as a facilitator for private banks (and other financial institutions) to continue fleecing the people who live here and abroad. But as far as I know it was nationalised many decades ago and is wholly owned by the UK state.
Private banks can and do lend money at interest to the government, and the main argument of Ellen Brown, Zarlenga, the Bradbury Pound enthusiasts and Positive Money has been that this is unnecessary, in fact that it is a form of legalised fraud. The UK government (and local governments for that matter) could finance themselves by issuing money – I think you know and agree with that.

jack(jim)
jack(jim)
Apr 9, 2020 10:24 PM

“Our dedicated professionals of the NORAD and NORTHCOM Command and control watch have left their homes, said goodbye to their families and are isolated from everyone to ensure they can stand watch each and every day to defend our homeland.”

What a brave & intelligent military the American’s have, hiding deep underground from a mild form of the flu. jesus!

John ErvIn
John ErvIn
Apr 9, 2020 11:59 PM
Reply to  jack(jim)

Well, if you think it’s just to hide from a virus.

I find the depth unnerving, as it is suggestive of thermonuclear war or whatever.

My family built a thick gauge steel heavily reinforced bomb shelter 40 ft deep (think “4 story building”) during the ’61 Cuban Missile Crisis. I spent time in it as a youngster, and I was impressed.

But O’Shaughnessy has a crib almost a half MILE deep.

What, The Flock?!

Like I say, crazies converge here.

There was a great ’80s New Twilight Zone episode that profiled your basic KuKluxer Americano survivalist nut, no doubt based on those real life Strangelovian avatars, Curtis LeMay and Lyman Lemnitzer, who builds an impregnable underground fortress in his backyard and during a crisis seals himself in, not knowing that Armageddon, as has been it’s custom ~so far~ has been postponed and in spite of his best info, he doesn’t get the bulletin.

The episode ends, years later, they are giving tours of his bunker, now enclosed above ground in a glass shell as a “Peace Dome” ~ a nostalgic memorial to the time Planet Earth narrowly escaped demise. Not knowing our war hawk “survivalist” is trapped deep below.

And he, much older but not much wiser, sealed below in his bunker with long sustainable supplies, knows even less about the current “State of the Union”. His communications station took the hit, but not much else. He is alone but triumphant, as he believes he is the last left alive.

A cautionary tale for these times.

~~~~~

Yakov Smirnoff: “Is this a great country, or what?” 1980s ad campaign

Richard Le Sarc
Richard Le Sarc
Apr 10, 2020 12:22 AM
Reply to  John ErvIn

‘I’ll vote for a Smirnoff-early and often!’

Richard Le Sarc
Richard Le Sarc
Apr 10, 2020 12:20 AM
Reply to  jack(jim)

They are not hiding from the flu, or coronaviruses, but from what is to come.

John ErvIn
John ErvIn
Apr 10, 2020 1:20 AM

Too true, but they’ve had their bunkers out there forever. I hitchhiked cross country, twice, as a lad, and those bunkers, bottomless pits, silos, etc. have been there forever, even well before I passed through the Rockies a half century ago. Back then, Vegas was two blocks, “The Strip”, now it’s a vast monstrosity like LA. But those were already huge back then.

These people are “crackpot realists”.

They march in their stern world of their own making. The real world would be a lot better off if they’d just stay there.

lod
lod
Apr 9, 2020 10:03 PM

I commented on another piece from on this site that the BoJo ICU story was clearly nonsense.
When I visited my grandfather in an ICU a few years ago he and the other three patients in his ward were all gravely ill. That is what ICU is for, people who are very close to dying. I think, but open to being corrected, that once in an ICU there is a 50/50 chance you leave either to a recovery ward or the morgue.
Now here is Boris admitted to the ICU. Then merely two days later he’s as bright as a button and sitting up in his bed running the country again!
You can always find a grain of truth in amongst the media lies though. They said that Boris needed 4 litres of oxygen. The normal threshold for submission to an ICU is a need for 15 litres. So he was an ICU patient in name only. He was never lying in his bed at deaths door.
I sensed last weekend that there was some wider dissent on government policy even among the mainstream. This was a perfect story to put a stop to that because ‘if the PM could become really sick then it must be really bad’.
Maybe the vast majority of people in the UK have never experienced an ICU therefore can’t see through the spin. But they don’t seem to be capable of thinking critically through any part of this thing.
Appreciate this might be a small part of the global crime against humanity currently taking place but it just ground my gears.

Ian Beeby
Ian Beeby
Apr 9, 2020 10:52 PM
Reply to  lod

Most sensible people knew it was only a publicity stunt

RobG
RobG
Apr 9, 2020 10:59 PM
Reply to  lod

You are quite correct in what you say (but you’re not allowed to say it thesedays!). The Boris stuff was obviously a PR stunt, as is the Nightingale Hospital and all the rest of it (and don’t worry about spaffing up the wall huge amounts of tax payer’s money).

These people are criminals, who everyone knows have been running the NHS into the ground for decades in order to privatise it.

May Hem
May Hem
Apr 9, 2020 11:50 PM
Reply to  RobG

nice trick by boris (and his PR team) to get public sympathy and approval. he’ll probably get voted in next election, for being a ‘corona hero’.

Daniel Spaniel
Daniel Spaniel
Apr 10, 2020 12:08 AM
Reply to  May Hem

Either him or Sir Keir. What’s the difference?

Richard Le Sarc
Richard Le Sarc
Apr 10, 2020 12:26 AM
Reply to  May Hem

What ‘next election’?

Nick
Nick
Apr 10, 2020 4:11 AM
Reply to  May Hem

Not sure. The number of deaths in UK will be high.. People will not forget his herd immunity ‘strategy’. Unless they are idiots

Mike Ellwood
Mike Ellwood
Apr 10, 2020 10:41 AM
Reply to  Nick

His herd immunity strategy was reversed almost immediately.

Nick
Nick
Apr 10, 2020 10:07 PM
Reply to  Mike Ellwood

No way. UK will have more deaths than UK.

Nick
Nick
Apr 10, 2020 10:08 PM
Reply to  Nick

*Italy

Richard Le Sarc
Richard Le Sarc
Apr 12, 2020 6:03 AM
Reply to  Mike Ellwood

After it was revealed. Two weeks or more is a long time in these circumstances. BoJo boasting of shaking hands with everyone was dumb, too, as he discovered.

William Wallace
William Wallace
Apr 10, 2020 10:07 PM
Reply to  May Hem

Boris is going to wish he was dead- when he has to face up to the fact that he has killed the UK economy.

Buffoonish jokes from the wild-haired Turkish *** adulterer will not cut it with regular British people who have lost everything.

crank
crank
Apr 9, 2020 11:56 PM
Reply to  lod

My old man was put in an intensive care ward last year because it was the only place with space at the time, even though he didn’t need that level of care. It’s possible that BJ was on an actual IC ward – but was not seriously ill. A bit of oxygen for a high perhaps ?
Another close relative works closely with NHS managers. He doesn’t think that there is a fascist take over of society. He thinks my views on political conspiracies are absurd.
I spoke to him this evening and he confirms that the Excel hospital in London is mostly empty – that there is currently little need for it. He also predicted that another emergency hospital built in the regions in which he has been involved, will remain unused, as there remains a lot of spare capacity in the nearby city’s hospitals.
To any reader that is just an anecdote and should be treated as such, but, it has to be said, there are more and more of them going around. The hospitals are for the most part quiet it would seem.
If there were a deliberate attempt to inflate the figures through spurious COVID diagnosis community deaths then it would fit. No postmortems…

Willem
Willem
Apr 10, 2020 7:18 AM
Reply to  crank

‘ The hospitals are for the most part quiet it would seem’

It’s because
1. people are scared of going to hospitals (patients and visitors) as they (rightly in my opinion) think that health care workers are infected (in NL they are obliged to continue to work even if they have a cough)
2. Most elective procedures are canceled as doctors prepare for Armageddon and are all taking rounds at the A&E (where it is more busy than usual but not that busy)

For the individual patient this is all very bad planning

And it is also very bad for hospitals as it diminishes their revenue. After all they need patients to make money

And so it is also very bad for health care workers who are getting paid by the hospitals who are (depending on how rich the hospital is) quickly running out of money.

And all of that just for a simple flu.

As Stimpy said: ‘when does the hurting stop’

cachaciero
cachaciero
Apr 10, 2020 11:52 AM
Reply to  crank

Re ICU and Oxygen In so far as I recall oxygen points are available on most / all beds on standard wards so there would be no requirement to move a patient to ICU just for Oxygen. However ventilation equipment and procedures are another story, suspect that BoJo was moved as a precautionary “just in case” measure… or because it made good copy and fitted the narrative.

Richard Le Sarc
Richard Le Sarc
Apr 10, 2020 12:25 AM
Reply to  lod

No-ICUs are for the gravely ill who might be rescued. The gravely ill who are going to die, go into ‘palliative care’, and Nature takes its course, or, if they are in great pain and suffering, they are euthanised with opioid pain-killers and other medications. BoJo is PM, too, so they need to save him, and avert chaos. Once he appointed Raab as acting PM, no doubt they redoubled their efforts to salvage him.

Admin2
Admin
Admin2
Apr 10, 2020 12:49 AM

I believe ICU is for critically unstable patients, who need immediate life support to stay alive. Palliative Care is a form of treatment aimed at easing suffering and can also be applied in an ICU setting. I used to work in a hospital, but in an unskilled capacity, so I am more than happy to be corrected.

Richard Le Sarc
Richard Le Sarc
Apr 10, 2020 9:49 AM
Reply to  Admin2

What you say is the same as that which I asserted. Gravely ill, or critically unstable are the same thing. High Dependency is one step down, often for those well enough to leave ICUs, but not well enough for the wards. Many surgical patients, after major ops, go to ICU for close monitoring, with or without ventilation, with invasive monitoring like arterial and central lines and intracerebral pressure monitoring. Palliative care is intended to ease suffering on those expected to die, like end-stage cancer patients, or the very elderly with multiple pathologies. Intervention in the last weeks of life is a very lucrative business, hence the opposition to euthanasia.

cachaciero
cachaciero
Apr 10, 2020 11:58 AM

An interesting observation about palliative care and its profitability, has woken up some thoughts about my mothers death in a Nursing Home, need to mull that one over, thanks.

Richard Le Sarc
Richard Le Sarc
Apr 12, 2020 6:05 AM
Reply to  cachaciero

You only have to work in the area, for a while, to see the pattern that holds. The opposition to euthanasia, unprincipled and mendacious, is another sign.

Admin2
Admin
Admin2
Apr 10, 2020 4:20 PM

Fair, although “ICUs are for the gravely ill who might be rescued” is a tad confusing, to me, as it implies that some sort of triage based on life-expectancy were involved. Whereas, if someone on a palliative care ward contracted pneumonia and suffered severe breathing difficulties, I suggest they’d be moved to an ICU. This was why I suggested “critically unstable”. Again, happy to be corrected.

Richard Le Sarc
Richard Le Sarc
Apr 12, 2020 6:10 AM
Reply to  Admin2

Triage is originally three categories. The dying efforts to help which would be futile. The well enough, who just require monitoring as they recover. And those who need assistance, surgically or medically, to prevent deterioration to the first category, and an expected eventual recovery. Nowadays it is more complex, particularly in the US dystopia, where first intervention is the well-known ‘wallet biopsy’. Someone in a palliative care ward who develops pneumonia would be treated according to life expectation, some palliative people lasting months, even years, and in the USA it depends on MONEY, ie insurance cover. Apparently at Maimonides Hospital in Brooklyn, it now depends on religion, too.

DunGroanin
DunGroanin
Apr 9, 2020 9:37 PM

???????????????????????????????

DunGroanin
DunGroanin
Apr 9, 2020 9:33 PM

On lock down still eh?

Have a meeting and agreed to implement the new policy without explanation? No trial , no jury?

Just the sentence without charge or defence!

Bravo Magistrate Baraisters, BRAVO!

https://www.craigmurray.org.uk/archives/2020/04/singalongavanessa/

RobG
RobG
Apr 9, 2020 11:32 PM
Reply to  DunGroanin

I’m sorry DunGroanin, because whilst I’m a supporter of Julian and have every sympathy for him, we are now all in the same situation, even though many people don’t seem to have realised this yet.

DunGroanin
DunGroanin
Apr 10, 2020 8:24 AM
Reply to  RobG

Yes Rob i totally agree as you would know if have been able to see my belated posts.

I wasn’t referring to Assange – except for the link. And the following.

Why an innocent person awaiting a trial – not even by jury- is being tortured and crucified in a high security hell is THE biggest news besides from Covid – the washing of hands by ALL the media including alt-news sites on the subject is the tell tale killer evidence of complicity and their conspiracy. We know them by their un-thoughts, un-words, these are their actions, by which it is evident which devilish tune they dance to…

————————

It seems we are being subjected to fight club rules.
And random emails, with links to nowhere, with no replies by the faceless & nameless, except for their numbers!

I AM NOT A NUMBER.

Martial law is underway – in places and ways most won’t see except in hindsight, ‘we were only obeying orders’ they will claim.

Still GUILTY believe it or not.

The lynch mobs are gathering on the boards – if you aren’t dragging your arses out into these streets too make the designated noises with your ‘neighbours’ – then you are judged to be a bad villager / ‘not one of us’ / in need of censure.

Bravo you Magistrates Baraisters, BRAVO!

I’ll be right here – watching and posting – not seeking escape or exile for myself alone.
Be seeing youse.

Frank Speaker
Frank Speaker
Apr 10, 2020 9:19 AM
Reply to  RobG

We’re all about to be extradited to the US on espoinage charges? No, it’s not the same at all, especially for you in south western France.

Objective
Objective
Apr 10, 2020 9:46 AM
Reply to  DunGroanin

Why is it Assange supporters (often avid socialists) are so selective, where its the liberal left with socialist values (strong state) that are begging government for greater restrictions on our freedoms.

Its simple you know why he wont be let out, hes a fucking flight risk! Should he be in prison for the crime of telling the truth NO… Should he be extradited for political “crimes” NO.. Should he be held in a high security prison Hmmm, debatable, should he be treated with dignity & respect in prison by the authorities YES… IS he NO…The real debate is should we even have prisons?

We all know if hes let out of prison he will do a runner. Good luck to him, but i fear he will never leave a prison without a coffin overcoat. But he must of known what he was risking going up against the intelligence services of the world, so hes got to accept responsibility for a large percentage of his fate. Stop being hypocrites. many of you believe in incarceration just not when its one of your own against the capitalist state.

DunGroanin
DunGroanin
Apr 10, 2020 6:00 PM
Reply to  Objective

In what way is he a flight risk?
No flights flying.
No passport.

There are plenty of actually convicted of something, who get released and others on remand who are ankle tagged – which keeps them in their agreed places.

JA didn’t leave the country did ?
Everyone knew exactly where he was in sanctuary and asylum.

He jumped bail – broke the law- he was punished for that – rightly so.

He has served his sentence- and should be legally released.

He is not violent and a threat to the public and in Broadmoor as a psychopath like Brady.

You may think that he should be treated exceptionally but he is innocent of any crime that he has been tried and found guilty of.

You may think kafkesque justice is correct and would happily suffer it yourself.

Standing by and watching such a massive injustice and political imprisonment in my country after resisting nazism is not a good look and spits on the memory and sacrifices of these who preserved justice and fair play here.

I regret you feel differently.

Cicatriz
Cicatriz
Apr 10, 2020 10:20 PM
Reply to  DunGroanin

I would suggest any flight he is on would be greater risk…

John Pretty
John Pretty
Apr 10, 2020 10:22 AM
Reply to  DunGroanin

Murray’s groupies are here, I see …

John Pretty
John Pretty
Apr 10, 2020 10:24 AM
Reply to  John Pretty

I strongly believe that Murray’s association with Julian could damage his chances of release.

DunGroanin
DunGroanin
Apr 10, 2020 6:06 PM
Reply to  John Pretty

Did the magisterium decide that. How do you know?

If you had read my o/p and replies you would know it wasn’t about JA except in passing… but keep parroting. It’s funny.

Richard Le Sarc
Richard Le Sarc
Apr 12, 2020 6:11 AM
Reply to  John Pretty

Assange NEVER had ANY chance of release. Murray is irrelevant.

DunGroanin
DunGroanin
Apr 10, 2020 6:03 PM
Reply to  John Pretty

Who’s a pretty boy, parroting here i see?

crank
crank
Apr 9, 2020 9:27 PM

On the Evil Scale (of 1 to 13) this must rank at 13:
https://www.thelastamericanvagabond.com/top-news/killer-enterprise-how-big-pharmas-most-corrupt-companies-plans-corner-covid-19-cure-market/
I wonder if the Porton Down element would eventually connect to Kelly? He knew some bad shit.
I wonder how Galloway’s film is coming along ? Actually I don’t give a fuck anymore.

Daniel Spaniel
Daniel Spaniel
Apr 10, 2020 12:20 AM
Reply to  crank

GG seems to have lost it bigtime.

Objective
Objective
Apr 10, 2020 9:51 AM
Reply to  Daniel Spaniel

Galloway is becoming a dictator with his new found “workers party” & communist deputy leader. I used to watch his you tube show every Sunday but the last few weeks his egomania is becoming ever more authoritarian. Its like watching a clone of Hitler grooming his followers with his loud mouthed rants against capitalism & liberty. Galloway is fast becoming a national socialist and we know how that ended for Adolf!

crank
crank
Apr 11, 2020 9:33 AM
Reply to  Objective

He certainly likes attention that is for sure. I stopped paying attention to him after noticing that over half his tweets featured photographs of…George Galloway.
It was like a version of the infamous ‘cult of personality’ regimes we have seen the world over.

crispy
crispy
Apr 11, 2020 7:24 PM
Reply to  Objective

What do you expect from someone who has a show on kremlin propaganda RT, this is what Putin wants for Europe,thats why i challenge kremlin propaganda unfortunately to many people think kremlin propaganda is good because it gives a voice to so called anti imperialist

John Pretty
John Pretty
Apr 9, 2020 8:02 PM

lol, it’s 8pm in the UK and the sheep are setting off fireworks!

John Pretty
John Pretty
Apr 9, 2020 8:06 PM
Reply to  John Pretty

By the way, I have been reading the offg twitter timeline and I have to say that I am proud to be a “rabid libertarian”.

John Pretty
John Pretty
Apr 9, 2020 8:33 PM
Reply to  John Pretty

lol, PPS, I have been feeling slightly ashamed of myself for criticising those setting off fireworks – I know they mean well, but they’re just so sold on this. It’s so tiresome.

Cicatriz
Cicatriz
Apr 9, 2020 8:36 PM
Reply to  John Pretty

I wonder if a sufficiently stirring propaganda campaign will have them appluading the banks?

“If we don’t have bail-ins, you’ll all die”

George Mc
George Mc
Apr 9, 2020 8:39 PM
Reply to  John Pretty

A friend asked me if I was joining in “the clap” tonight. I had no idea there was another one. And to be honest I don’t much care. Are we going to do a clap for every service now? Is this clap supposed to make them feel better when their systems are collapsing from too many people catching the cold? Does anyone remember the other meaning of “clap”?

Matt UK
Matt UK
Apr 9, 2020 9:14 PM
Reply to  George Mc

I did think it was harsh wishing a nasty sti on the nhs workers 😂

Richard Le Sarc
Richard Le Sarc
Apr 10, 2020 12:28 AM
Reply to  Matt UK

It’s part of the sneer, like a Bullingdon Boyo burning money in front of the homeless. Tories despise nurses, believe me.

Germs Bond
Germs Bond
Apr 9, 2020 11:25 PM
Reply to  John Pretty

where did the sheep get fireworks?

Daniel Spaniel
Daniel Spaniel
Apr 10, 2020 12:22 AM
Reply to  Germs Bond

They seem somewhat misplaced!

Objective
Objective
Apr 10, 2020 9:55 AM
Reply to  John Pretty

If only they knew how corporate the NHS is & how much of it has already been privatized. The hypocrisy of the Tories to come up with the mantra SAVE the NHS… CUNTS (sorry cant help myself, when ever i think about it, i start to steam)

Richard Le Sarc
Richard Le Sarc
Apr 12, 2020 6:12 AM
Reply to  John Pretty

That’s a tautology, or redundancy.

jack(jm)
jack(jm)
Apr 9, 2020 8:43 PM
Reply to  John Pretty

The fools are cheering their own imprisonment, how they must be laughing at us.

jay
jay
Apr 9, 2020 9:14 PM
Reply to  John Pretty

Yeah, more clapping here in Scotland.
Known idiots setting off fireworks, an excuse for a whizz bang.

binra
binra
Apr 9, 2020 11:25 PM
Reply to  John Pretty

Not long ago Spain’s king gave a public address to a large number of the population making a potbash of cacaphony to indicate they were not listening.

While my demeanour is respectful to others it is not signalling subscription and support for the collective mind-meld with covid19 and the media blitzkrieg.

Overtly signifying non support for the current regime in a way that respects others freedom of choice feels like some kind of witness. I let my imagination wander in and out here.
But I extend the invitation to cone up with something.

RobG
RobG
Apr 9, 2020 7:53 PM

Bojo has just come out of intensive care; now there’s a surprise.

On the other side of the Atlantic I’m amazed at how many people are still taking the Presidential election seriously.

There won’t be another election, because the US economy is collapsing faster than a house of cards and very shortly you’ll be looking at 30% to 40% unemployment and total anarchy will ensue.

Unfortunately this might mean another world war (don’t forget to hate those darn Russkies and Chinks for your predicament), because the psychopaths who rule us always use war as their last card.

clickkid
clickkid
Apr 9, 2020 8:16 PM
Reply to  RobG

I’m expecting civil war in the US rather than World War.

Frank
Frank
Apr 9, 2020 8:43 PM
Reply to  clickkid

Civil war in the US?
We can but hope.

RobG
RobG
Apr 9, 2020 9:42 PM
Reply to  clickkid

I sincerely hope there is no violence.

To state the old cliche, we are the many and they are the few.

It’s a bit like the guy behind the curtain in the Wizard Of Oz movie.

Cicatriz
Cicatriz
Apr 9, 2020 8:38 PM
Reply to  RobG

As Gerald Celente often states: “when all else fails, they take you to war.”

clickkid
clickkid
Apr 9, 2020 9:21 PM
Reply to  Cicatriz

Gerald Celente also often states: “when people have nothing left to lose, they lose it.”

Cicatriz
Cicatriz
Apr 9, 2020 9:38 PM
Reply to  clickkid

He has a lot of insightful one liners. His constant referring to the New York Times as the “toilet paper of record,” is quite apt for the current times.

clickkid
clickkid
Apr 9, 2020 10:12 PM
Reply to  Cicatriz

Yeah ..that’s a good’n.

I like the Italian Bronx style ….

The top Investment bankers are the “White Shoe Boys”

George Mc
George Mc
Apr 9, 2020 8:42 PM
Reply to  RobG

Bojo has just come out of intensive care

Nah he didn’t just come out of intensive care. The doctors warned him to stay in but he gritted his teeth and said, “Now look – you slackers! I’ve got a jolly country to run! Don’t stop me!” as he ripped off his life support system and struggled magnificently to the stage!

Matt UK
Matt UK
Apr 9, 2020 9:15 PM
Reply to  George Mc

😂👍

RobG
RobG
Apr 9, 2020 9:51 PM
Reply to  George Mc

This Easter weekend looks like it will be a highwater mark in all this, and particularly so here in France.

John ErvIn
John ErvIn
Apr 9, 2020 10:48 PM
Reply to  George Mc

Yeah, like when Reagan stumbled into Bethesda Hospital after his 1981 (alleged) Hinckley shooting, right out of a ’40s b&w B movie, and collapsed, only to have doctor’s say a hollow-point bullet had penetrated to within A QUARTER INCH of his HEART.

Whew! That was close. And the miracle worker near-martytr President leapt from his gurney not much later ~ from “descent from the Cross” to “Resurrection” ~ a triptych tableau ~ and back to work he goes, to run the Free World from the Big Round Room!

Thespian that he was, he set the tone for all these more “stagey” events.

He must have seen the same script that Teddy Roosevelt had, when he got shot in the chest and simply walked it off to his next stop.

We are so lucky to have such tough guys running our world.

John Hinckley, Jr., the mind-controlled bot who fired that ’81 shot, is the son of John Hinckley, Sr. head of World Vision, who had employed Mark David Chapman as a security guard at Fort Chaffee, Arkansas ~~ and who, just weeks before the Reagan “shooting”, had assassinated John Lennon, December 8 1980.

Coincidence or Conspiracy? “We report, you decide.”

Richard Le Sarc
Richard Le Sarc
Apr 10, 2020 12:32 AM
Reply to  John ErvIn

I love a good coincidence theory.

Richard Le Sarc
Richard Le Sarc
Apr 10, 2020 12:30 AM
Reply to  George Mc

I’d replace ‘magnificently’ with ‘manfully’.

Steve Church
Steve Church
Apr 9, 2020 10:12 PM
Reply to  RobG

Easy, Rob. There’ll be an election, just like so many before. Meaningless.

crispy
crispy
Apr 9, 2020 7:02 PM

More propaganda regurgitation,this time from Strategic Culture,another kremlin orientated outfit

Ehret,also likes to get his ‘ message’ out on Fort Russ,also pro kremlin

Oh,incidentally who pays for Off- Guardian,just asking?????

Admin2
Admin
Admin2
Apr 9, 2020 7:57 PM
Reply to  crispy

I’m sure you’ve asked this before, Crispy, and been answered. Our readers fund Off Guardian. Just to be clear – our READERS fund Off-Guardian. I am not rolling on piles of Kremlin cash as I write this. We are not bankrolled by the fossil-fuel industry or big pharma or some shadowy illuminati. Our readers fund Off-Guardian via our paypal, our patrion and our Bitcoin wallet. 😀 Admin2

crispy
crispy
Apr 9, 2020 9:00 PM
Reply to  Admin2

….so you’re not ‘ skint’????

Loverat
Loverat
Apr 9, 2020 9:49 PM
Reply to  Admin2

Crispy

It is a mystery.

Admin 1 and Admin 2 are a clever combination. I have studied their shift patterns and posts here for some time.

Kit and Catte are the brains behind the operation. I suspect their paypal and Bitcoin wallet facility only cover the basic expenses – their obsession with cats.

The rest of the funding , is anyone’s guess.

crispy
crispy
Apr 9, 2020 10:17 PM
Reply to  Loverat

They’re certainly a clever combination of putting old crispy down the memory hole,they’ve been doing it for ages

Just as well I’m not a sensitive type otherwise i might take umbrage

Admin2
Admin
Admin2
Apr 9, 2020 11:07 PM
Reply to  crispy

Crispy, the previous three comments of yours I ‘memory-holed’ were such masterworks as:

I do the kind of job which tells you to go fuck yerself,cunt!

and

Go fuck yerself cunt

and

Why don’t you try North Korea you dim cunt bag

I’ll remind you of our comment policy:
BE POLITE. We understand debates get heated and we accept a certain degree of colourful language can creep in, but empty ad hom or extreme personal abuse is strongly discouraged and may be removed when it is particularly gratuitous.

I warned you I’d be removing more of these. So, please quit whining.

crispy
crispy
Apr 9, 2020 11:21 PM
Reply to  Admin2

I’ve been very polite tonight,not used the C word once,followed your sage advice,just like a good little chap

But what you don’t understand is none of it’s personal,just a bit of banter,that’s all,i think Australian cricketers call it ‘ sledging ‘

You’re to sensitive,you wouldn’t last five seconds in the army!

Admin2
Admin
Admin2
Apr 9, 2020 11:41 PM
Reply to  crispy

And I appreciate that, I do. Thank you for toning it down. You may recall, I have published your rude comments before when they’ve been directed at me 😉 so I’m not just catering to my sensibilities here. ‘Bants’ is all very well, but please reciprocate, and have a thick-enough skin not to cry foul when your comments don’t all make it through. Thanks. Admin2

crispy
crispy
Apr 9, 2020 11:49 PM
Reply to  Admin2

Thicker than rhino skin me, so you’d really have to go some to upset me

Besides i always like to get that little memory hole gambit going as it seems to touch a bit of a raw nerve

Personally and I’m been very frank now, I’d have banned crispy an age ago,yes, yes i know you don’t do that,but can’t you make an exception,just once?

Admin2
Admin
Admin2
Apr 10, 2020 12:08 AM
Reply to  crispy

Well, compliments come in all shapes and sizes, as they say, and I think that was actually the nicest compliment you could give us, Crispy. Have a nice night. A2

paul
paul
Apr 9, 2020 10:35 PM
Reply to  Loverat

These are common aliases used by only our most experienced agents.

paul
paul
Apr 9, 2020 10:36 PM
Reply to  paul

The Kit Kat Rowntree Group is our most important front organisation.

crispy
crispy
Apr 9, 2020 10:41 PM
Reply to  Loverat

this bloke called Kit, who writes stuff for this site,had his article about ” covid 19 death figures, a substantial over-estimate”,published on one of those pro kremlin propaganda sites I’ve mentioned

Infact he’s had his work published on the fanatical site called Russia Insider,a very unpleasant place full to the brim with Nazi goose stepping types,i suppose thats just another example of what Louis Proyect calls Red- Brown coalition at work!

anyway getting back to our man’ Kit’,Funny thing is right at the end of his article theres a reference to the image,the same image as on the Off Guardian article,which states that the image is from The Spectator,and then throws down the gauntlet for them,The Spectator,to take legal action,but not to bother as they have no money,I’m assuming it was Mr Knightly who added that? But who knows

All a bit attention seeking if you ask me,but Mod 2 has informed me me that Off Guardian is solvent,so who knows perhaps The Spectator may indeed take up the challenge?

Maybe Off Guardian readers have deep pockets?

I understand legal action can be very expensive

Loverat
Loverat
Apr 9, 2020 11:41 PM
Reply to  crispy

Come on crispy

What legal action?

For me Off G are about the most moderate, non political site there is during these dark times.

Thats why ordinary folk donate. And take it from me, no chance on earth anyone could rightfully sue for anything they’ve written or republished.

crispy
crispy
Apr 9, 2020 11:45 PM
Reply to  Loverat

Its not me you should ask

Go to the pro kremlin website called Fort Russ, you’ll find the off guardian article written by Knightly there

Maybe someone on that site wrote that last line?

But it is the kind of thing that can in the highly litigious UK get you into the brown stuff

Admin2
Admin
Admin2
Apr 9, 2020 11:59 PM
Reply to  crispy

Oh come off it!! A simple view of the original piece here (currently still on the front page of Off-g) reveals that Kit did not mention anything about the spectator photograph or how ‘broke’ Off-G is!! You are reaching here. Off-g has no control over who republishes our material and no association whatsoever with the site you mention. I stated elsewhere we received funding from our readers. I informed you of nothing about how solvent or insolvent we are.

I honestly don’t know what poor Off-g has ever done to you, Crispy, to warrant such deep-rooted suspicion on your part! Most upsetting (this is banter).

crispy
crispy
Apr 10, 2020 12:04 AM
Reply to  Admin2

Sorry i was just reversing out,but go and check for yourself

You really should take more care of who gets hold of your stuff,if you have a problem talk to Fort Russ!

Because someone has put that little line right at the bottom,check it

Now good 🌙

Admin2
Admin
Admin2
Apr 10, 2020 12:10 AM
Reply to  crispy

I did check. Wasn’t us. They should probably make that clearer. Thanks for flagging it up.

crispy
crispy
Apr 10, 2020 12:10 AM
Reply to  Admin2

….one last thing,ffs i sound like Columbo, RT International got £200 grand fine for talking BS

better get onto Fort Russ and get things changed before The Spectator sees👀 it!

paul
paul
Apr 10, 2020 3:03 AM
Reply to  crispy

Glad you’re reading Russia Insider.
You might learn something.

crispy
crispy
Apr 10, 2020 8:28 AM
Reply to  paul

I’ve learnt they’re a bunch of neo Nazi scum, incidentally they banned me,not for pointing out their pro Nazi rantings, and hatred against jews, but for swearing,you couldn’t make it up could ya

Even RT International had to bin them,including Peter Lavelle, who’d gone into business with Charles Bauseman, the creator of said site

How embarrassing

Freem
Freem
Apr 11, 2020 9:56 PM
Reply to  crispy

as an analyst I must point out it takes work to put together an article like this. bravo cat duo or whoever yous are.

crispy, you’re trolling is delaying readers from getting to the important stuff. so please get out of the way (insults are a waste of time).

clickkid
clickkid
Apr 9, 2020 11:33 PM
Reply to  Loverat

” I have studied their shift patterns ”

You have obviously put a great deal of effort into this.

Admin1
Admin
Admin1
Apr 10, 2020 1:34 AM
Reply to  Loverat

As we say at the bottom of every article, we have no other funding whatsoever beside individual reader donations through Patreon, PayPal and Bitcoin, which has indeed always barely covered our expenses. We are incredibly grateful for every penny of it though. Without it we would not be able to function. We are asked to take advertising and sponsored content, but we don’t want to go that route.

Oh and we receive no remuneration for articles being published elsewhere. We have an open policy and encourage other outlets to use our work, and all we ask in return is a credit to the original.

crispy
crispy
Apr 10, 2020 8:48 AM
Reply to  Admin1

Which obviously leaves you wide open to the kind of criticism,and very valid criticism,which has been levelled against you by people such as Louis Proyect

I’m sorry to say this but you people at Off Guardian do yourself no favours by allowing your work to be published on sites like Russia Insider,its a typical rabidly anti-Semitic site with a comments section full to the brim with Nazi head bangers who’d just love another go at the holocaust

It’s not good enough that you don’t mind who publishes this stuff,you should,otherwise all you do is become part of that Red-Brown coalition of angry and frankly ugly people who wont make the world a better place,no you’ll just accelerate it into full blown confrontation

Off Guardian there is no credit being associated with websites like Russia Insider,Fort Russ,or anyone else like them

Admin2
Admin
Admin2
Apr 10, 2020 11:50 AM
Reply to  crispy

Stop concern-trolling.

crispy
crispy
Apr 10, 2020 1:25 PM
Reply to  Admin2

Not trolling just pointing out some facts,obviously you’re sensitive to this sort of truthful statement,not my problem

I judge people by the company they keep,you lot keep bad company,but then i know you don’t actually care

Admin2
Admin
Admin2
Apr 10, 2020 1:44 PM
Reply to  crispy

And you’ve made that point, multiple times, and I checked out the link, and I thanked you for flagging it up, and I’ve forwarded it to the relevant people. You have openly admitted to probing, troll-like behaviour. Please inform me, in as many words as you deem necessary, where this conversation ought to go now?

crispy
crispy
Apr 10, 2020 2:29 PM
Reply to  Admin2

Well I’m off to read Louis Proyect,he’s a bit more sensible and understands the toxic nature of Red-Brown propaganda,which unfortunately you people at Off Guardian have become a part of

paul
paul
Apr 9, 2020 10:33 PM
Reply to  Admin2

Don’t worry, tovarish, the roubles are in the post.
Keep infiltrating your decadent society.
Vladimir Vladimirovich will contact you shortly with further instructions.

crispy
crispy
Apr 9, 2020 11:40 PM
Reply to  paul

…i doubt it,poor old rubber chops Putler has gone AWOL, he’s done one, and left the mayor of Moscow to deal with the virus,now thats wha i call leadership! 😉

not that you’d know any of this if you indulge yourself with kremlin premier propaganda channel,RT international,which incidentally doesn’t seem to be beemed live from its Moscow studios,would that be because Moscow is in lock down 😁

Anyway it seems the Russkies are about to have a bit of a torrid time with the dreaded virus,Oops nearly forgot myself then,yup corrected that, Russia doesn’t have a problem with it,only the west,i know this because RT International told me 😂😂😂😂

paul
paul
Apr 10, 2020 3:10 AM
Reply to  crispy

Old Vlad seems to be muscling in and playing with everybody else’s train set, worrying himself silly over the dreaded virus, wandering around ICU wards complete with spacesuit, rather than going AWOL. Surprised he hasn’t just fled to one of his billion dollar mansions we hear so much about in the Economist.

crispy
crispy
Apr 10, 2020 8:52 AM
Reply to  paul

How come he’s passed the covid responsibility to the mayor of Moscow then?

paul
paul
Apr 10, 2020 3:14 PM
Reply to  crispy

Probably because he has to take responsibility for all 6.5 million square miles of the country, not just the 13 million in Moscow. The other 130 million outside Moscow might have a few worries about CV as well.

He really should try harder to live up to his Guardian cartoon villain role.

crispy
crispy
Apr 10, 2020 12:00 AM
Reply to  Admin2

Well it’s been fun Admin 2, Admin 2 sounds a bit Orwellian that, but i feel like I’ve driven past and actually got stuck in the Off Guardian cul-de- sack, so I’m gonna bug out

See you again as a I’ll probably drive by soon,be good and don’t forget social distance😷

milosevic
milosevic
Apr 10, 2020 5:46 AM
Reply to  crispy

as the saying goes, don’t let the door hit you in the ass, on your way out.

John ErvIn
John ErvIn
Apr 10, 2020 7:55 AM
Reply to  milosevic

Shouldn’t there be a comma after the second “the”?

crispy
crispy
Apr 10, 2020 9:50 AM
Reply to  crispy

So why did that comment get 6 down thumbs thingy?

Here i am being polite,and using that little picture thing with face mask to make the point of keeping yourselves safe and thats the response

Crispy shakes his head in disbelief

Mike Ellwood
Mike Ellwood
Apr 10, 2020 12:22 PM
Reply to  crispy

You still here? Thought you were leaving.

jay
jay
Apr 9, 2020 9:22 PM
Reply to  crispy

Somewhat ironic that your comment is allowed to stand, revealing the dark secrets of offg that you have you discovered with you wit and intelligence, then isn’t it?
The mods can’t be on their jobs, oh wait a moment, there is admin giving you an answer…
I don’t see this happening anywhere in the non-kremlin funded main stream rubbish.
Funny that eh?
Funny how that is the first ‘accusation’ of fools, shills and trolls even although is getting worn threadbare…What are you, a little of each perhaps.

crispy
crispy
Apr 9, 2020 9:52 PM
Reply to  jay

….comment is free!

….apparently, but then i have to be very careful,otherwise you wont be able to enjoy my full repertoire

Hugs and kisses fro m crispy 💋💋

crispy
crispy
Apr 9, 2020 10:44 PM
Reply to  crispy

Blimey someone has actually given me the thumbs up!

So there are sane people who also understand BS kremlin propaganda

crispy
crispy
Apr 9, 2020 10:56 PM
Reply to  crispy

….and 1 down thumbs thingy for the Mod, not guilty

crispy
crispy
Apr 9, 2020 11:53 PM
Reply to  crispy

…blimey and someone has given poor old crispy the thumbs down!

I bet i must have the most thumbs down thingies by now

Gold medal for unpopularity goes to crispy

Grafter
Grafter
Apr 10, 2020 1:41 AM
Reply to  crispy

Admin please get rid of this Crispy he writes some tedious and boring shite.

crispy
crispy
Apr 10, 2020 8:50 AM
Reply to  Grafter

Language!

Daniel Spaniel
Daniel Spaniel
Apr 12, 2020 12:27 AM
Reply to  crispy

Timothy!

Objective
Objective
Apr 10, 2020 10:00 AM
Reply to  Grafter

Free speech dude! Like it or not s/he should have the right to be an irritating pain the bum & say shite you don’t like.

Anyways s/he is partly right, there’s not a government on this earth that doesn’t sell its own propaganda, Russia is no better or worse than many.

jack(jim)
jack(jim)
Apr 9, 2020 6:35 PM

It is very true that the biggest Empire in history, the USA, doesn’t even exist for much of our media in the UK, it is like some invisible passive benign force that they hardly every refer to and certainly never attribute, ambition, goals or aims to, It is invisible, like god or the sky.

For those ‘alternative’ voices, that claim they are blowing the whistle on our corrupt system, to miss the 50 elephant’s in the room, that is the American Empire is no accident. Like Hitler they spout on about this stupid international conspiracy called the New World Order, reminiscent of Hitler’s own rantings against the jewish conspiracy, which they claim is made up of of international businessmen & bankers who are trying to takeover the world. This plot is essentially antisemitic in origins but they still use it to distract from the existence of the Empire, but by repeating it they reveal their own true loyalties and roots in the white supremacist American religious far-right.

Whilst it is true that the Empire includes the oligarchs and mega Corporations in it’s ranks, they are not above the military industrial complex, they are part of it, and they share a commitment to US national success over the rest of the world. They are fighting for themselves and for their club of American interests, a trough from which they all drink as we saw recently.

At a time when the US spends vast amounts of money on it’s military security state, and when it employs unknown hundreds of thousands of people in the US and all over the world, many of whom are no doubt self funding, through projects like the Iran-Contra affair, through crime, and when they are wrecking elections, rigging business deals, and directing the military and government policy of hundreds of ‘independent states’, the likes of David Icke will still point to some fictional grouping of bankers and refuses to acknowledge the Empires, power, organisation and even it’s existence.

As evidence, I see today David Icke was given the help of the US tech giants to promote his work. Youtube removed one of his talks, which youtube had promoted to millions of people on the day of it’s release, I know because it ended up on my list of videos, only to deleted from the site a few hours later, to give him street credibility and attention.

Don’t give these fake opposition any chance to convince you it is all the bankers, because if they are pointing in any other direction than towards the USA’s military industrial complex, then you are part of the problem not the solution. Because if you are not pointing at it, then they are owned by it.

ZigZagWanderer
ZigZagWanderer
Apr 10, 2020 12:08 AM
Reply to  jack(jim)

” the likes of David Icke will still point to some fictional grouping of bankers and refuses to acknowledge the Empires power , organisation and even it’s existence .”

It took me about ten seconds on Mr. Ickes website to find all this content where he discusses American Empire .

You need to get out more ……..

HONEST GOVERNMENT AD – JULIAN ASSANGE / AMERICAN EMPIRE
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THE COLLAPSE OF THE AMERICAN EMPIRE? – CHRIS HEDGES
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AMERICAN EMPIRE: AN ACT OF COLLECTIVE MADNESS (2016)
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THE ISLAMIC STATE AS ‘PLACE-SETTER’ FOR THE AMERICAN EMPIRE. ISIS IS THE PRODUCT OF THE US MILITARY-INTELLIGENCE COMPLEX
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2 September 2017
THE AMERICAN MILITARY EMPIRE: IS TRUMP ITS WOULD-BE EMPEROR?
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22 July 2017
PENTAGON STUDY DECLARES AMERICAN EMPIRE IS ‘COLLAPSING’
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24 June 2017
THE AMERICAN EMPIRE IS NOW EFFECTIVELY BEING RUN BY GENERALS
The American Empire with Allan Nairn
29 January 2017
THE AMERICAN EMPIRE WITH ALLAN NAIRN
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23 November 2016
‘FAKE NEWS’? CIA DIRECTOR ADMITTED TO US SENATE ~ 400 AGENTS DICTATE FAKE NEWS TO MANIPULATE AMERICANS FOR ROGUE STATE…
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17 September 2016
NIGHTMARISH GLOBAL MILITARY AGENDA. THREATS OF US NUCLEAR ATTACKS AGAINST NORTH KOREA. AMERICAN EMPIRE IS THE REAL…
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AFTER KEYSTONE XL: TRANSCANADA BUILDING NORTH AMERICAN FRACKED GAS PIPELINE EMPIRE
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BREEDING MENTAL ILLNESS TO FURTHER AMERICAN EMPIRE
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13 March 2015
THE AMERICAN EMPIRE IS A THREAT TO EVERY NATION’S SECURITY
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4 February 2015
‘AMERICAN SNIPER’: HUMANIZING AND GLORIFYING A MASS MURDERER FOR THE EMPIRE
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4 March 2014
WHAT’S THE ROLE OF AMERICAN EMPIRE IN THE NEW WORLD ORDER?
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30 December 2013
THE RUSSIAN BEAR STEPS IN AS THE AMERICAN EMPIRE UNRAVELS IN THE MIDDLE EAST
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OLIVER STONE: ‘I FEEL LIKE A DISSIDENT AGAINST THE AMERICAN EMPIRE’
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COULD 9/11 TRUTH TOPPLE THE AMERICAN EMPIRE?
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NO AUSTERITY FOR THE AMERICAN EMPIRE: OBAMA PROVIDING MASSIVE STIMULUS FOR HIS BASE-BUILDING SPREE
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CHRIS HEDGES ‘BRACE YOURSELF! THE AMERICAN EMPIRE IS OVER & THE DESCENT IS GOING TO BE HORRIFYING!’
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jack(jik)
jack(jik)
Apr 10, 2020 10:58 AM
Reply to  ZigZagWanderer

But you ignore his entire narrative and everything he says about the reason for our problems, he points in another direction, not towards the American Empire as the guilty party……..Why are you pretending its otherwise ?

ZigZagWanderer
ZigZagWanderer
Apr 10, 2020 11:20 AM
Reply to  jack(jik)

I’m not pretending anything.

You stated that Mr. Icke refuses to acknowledge even the very existence of American Empire which is a clearly a ridiculous and easily proven lie.

So I spent less than a minute to prove , beyond any doubt , that you are pushing malicious disinformation based on your own unhinged prejudices.

crispy
crispy
Apr 10, 2020 11:33 AM
Reply to  ZigZagWanderer

Ah,David Icke, the chosen one,the son of god!

I remember when he used to present a BBC sports programme,then went completely bonkers,sat in a BBC studio in the most ghastly plastic track suit and told the world he w as the second coming

which in my book is what ‘ unhinged ‘ looks like

jack(jim)
jack(jim)
Apr 10, 2020 5:25 PM
Reply to  ZigZagWanderer

There are no comparable forces to those in the USA that can control the media, control governments and control other governments overseas, they do not exists.

And all these agencies in the US have loyalty to the greater American project and are direct by the USA’s political and economic elite, including the splinter rogue elements who will claim to be working in the interests of the USA. At no point does Icke point to that machine and say that they are behind all the trends he is complaining about, when they so clearly are.

It looks like I am shattering some some dreams here and I’m sorry for that, but until he comes out and points directly at the CIA,NSA and the USA’s structures and blames them and American interests, for the majority of operations that we are being subjected to, then the man is not telling the truth.

I should add that Alex Jones and David Icke, I believe are both deep state agents who reveal a tremendous amount about the organization they work for, because that is their USP. So take the gems these guys offer, but don’t be fooled by their narrative, it’s the state protecting itself from accusation by controlling the popular but extremist opposition.

Freem
Freem
Apr 11, 2020 10:06 PM
Reply to  jack(jim)

Sorry but the biggest empire in history was the Mongols under Ghenghis Khan. And also, at any point in history, there are always a few empires on the globe…British, Byzantium, Catholic Church, Spanish, Romans, Greeks, Persians, Phoenicians…

Gary Weglarz
Gary Weglarz
Apr 9, 2020 5:34 PM

The article linked below illuminates what remains hidden or obscured amid the “pandemic” propaganda. Who would ever imagine that our Western elites would ever lie to us about matters of life and death? I’m completely stunned!

“British Parliament Confirms: Libya War was Based on Lies” –

http://global-politics.eu/british-parliament-confirms-libya-war-based-lies-turned-nation-shit-show-spread-terrorism/?fbclid=IwAR2mLETeZ-fUAU-cDUNCDavMVaj1lvPIyJSaGvp89ITOsR8mHkStOkM7SSE

This damning article from “The Grayzone” discussing “Human Right’s Watch” as simply a propaganda arm of Western imperialism is also well worth reading:

https://thegrayzone.com/2020/04/08/billionaire-human-rights-watch-sanctions-nicaragua-venezuela/

Richard Le Sarc
Richard Le Sarc
Apr 10, 2020 12:36 AM
Reply to  Gary Weglarz

Human Rights Watch is the New York Zionist version of Amnesty International, another sewer of hypocrisy and Imperial agit-prop.

Charlotte Russe
Charlotte Russe
Apr 9, 2020 5:23 PM

What I find particularly offensive is how the corporate state-run mainstream media news constantly compares the “panic plandemic” to the calamities of the 1930’s and the dire need for FDR-style leadership. In fact, it’s absolutely nauseating that the same “commentator creeps” who since 2016 described Bernie’s platform as being socialist or in some cases communist are now embracing FDR and the New Deal. If FDR, were alive today he would never be elected president. Franklin Delano Roosevelt, would be considered too far to the Left. And if he managed to get elected, none of his “New Deal Programs” would ever get to first base, especially with a “$250 million golden girl” like Nancy Pelosi running Congress.

The cheerleaders of every needless military intervention, who have discredited every attempt at genuine social reforms are now brazenly embracing FDR and his new deal. If this schizoid collection of sociopaths controlling the airwaves and the official narrative weren’t so dangerous they’d be laughable.

EVERY YEAR INFLUENZA AND PNEUMONIA RANK AS AMONG THE MOST DEADLY ILLNESSES IN THE UNITED STATES.

Having said that, it’s becoming more evident each day the “panic plandemic” is just a massive scale psyops operation. I’m not saying the coronavirus does not exist, of course it does. But what I am saying, is that when all is said and done we’ll see that the mortality rates from COVID-19 will not be as high as the 80,000 deaths which occurred in the US during the 2018 flu season.

Furthermore, COVID-19 is not that “special during.” During every flu season blacks have a higher rate
of mortality: “Racial disparities in deaths from the flu and pneumonia come about as a result of a variety of factors. People of color tend to be poorer, and thus are more likely to lack sufficient access to effective medical care.”

And just like any other flu season Older adults are most at risk from influenza and pneumonia. “The older people are, the more likely they are to die from these illnesses.”

On the basis of the above data, it’s only logical to conclude the “hysteria” surrounding COVID-19 is “manufactured” to serve the interests of several diverse groups: the hysteria gave justification to once again transfer trillions to bailout the big banks and Wall Street; it gave the pretext to heighten authoritarian control over the world’s population; it gave additional powers to money-crazed pharmaceutical companies and ancillary organizations associated with “vaccine happy” Bill Gates; it’s giving free reign to the intelligence agencies to use “COVID-19 testing” as a pretext to institute fierce legalized “citizen tracking” of day-to-day activities; and most importantly COVID-19 has shown power hungry freaks that panic-ridden populations capitulate easily into a docile, weak and easily manipulated mass of nothings…

With this in mind, I would not compare the Orangeman to the US President described in “Seven Days in May,” as cited by Erhet in his article: “Standing on the Precipice of Martial Law”– not yet anyway. Although, it should be noted, that the intelligence agencies are working hard at creating a discernible schism between the Executive Office and the Pentagon. But if the truth be told, Trump is truly not a threat to the status quo. If Trump, was a danger to the existing powers there’s many a way, other than a JFK-style bullet to dispose of the buffoon. So obviously, Trump is considered a useful distraction, allowing for business as usual. In this regard, Trump is president because he satisfies the needs of the military/security/surveillance/corporate state.

BOMB THEM BACK INTO THE STONE AGE

As a point of information, for decades there’s been various cabals of fanatical nutcases eager to destroy humanity. In the 1960’s, Air force General Curtis LeMay wanted to nuke Russia. He was the bizzaro General who said: “Bomb them back into the Stone Age,” as a way to defeat North Vietnam during the Vietnam War.

It also should be mentioned, that in the 1960’s U.S. nuclear war plans called for the destruction of the Soviet Union and China as “viable societies.” “The document in question pertains to the Single Integrated Operational Plan, (SIOP) which governs the numerous war plans and their associated options that govern how America would fight a nuclear war. In June 1964, senior military leaders (including Air Force Chief of Staff LeMay) were sent a staff review of the current SIOP.”

That explains, why the US Government as well as the the Soviet Union built elaborate underground bunkers.

Garrett Graff the author of: “Raven Rock: The Story of the U.S. Government’s Secret Plan to Save Itself–While the Rest of Us Die” describes in detail many of the intricate US subterranean facilities.

“The Raven Rock complex built near Camp David is sometimes nicknamed the “Underground Pentagon.” This name succinctly summarizes the facility’s purpose: if the Pentagon in Arlington, Virginia, were ever destroyed, the Department of Defense would attempt to regroup at the Raven Rock Military Command (RRMC.) In essence, Battle Staff and high-ranking officials in the U.S. government would head to Raven Rock as soon as an attack was confirmed.”

Raven Rock or shall I say “craven rock” was created between 1951 and 1953 by blasting into the side of a greenstone mountain. The mountain, in addition to a fortified bunker, would “supposedly” provide protection from nuclear blasts.

“Raven Rock contains multiple power plants, multiple water reservoirs, an uninterrupted power supply, independent water sources, a helipad, and a fire department, in addition to the aforementioned rooms. It is essentially a small city. Once its blast doors close, over 3,000 U.S. government officials could survive there for weeks, if not months.”

Raven Rock, is just one of numerous massive bunkers: Peter’s Mountain in the Appalachians is designated for the intelligence community. It’s a department-store-sized bunker, capable of housing several hundred people. The intelligence agencies relocate there in the event of an attack on Washington. There’s Mount Weather in Bluemont VA. This is designated for the civilian government. It is designed to hold the civilian leadership of the US government, including the President, the Supreme Court, Cabinet officials, and some senior congressional leaders. It was actually expanded under JFK’s administration to include sewage treatment plans, reservoirs for drinking water and even its own fire and police departments. Remember these are all underground. NORAD in the Cheyenne Mountains is also capable of holding reservoirs for water and fuel. There is even an underground lake, which requires rowboats to patrol. And of course, there’s a smaller bunker under the White House where “tax dollar heart recipient Cheney” slinked into with a bunch of other ghouls while the World Trade Center was demolished.

So while the US population is sheltering in place the sociopaths responsible for the holocaust will quickly
depart to their secret caves. Don’t despair, there’s a slew of fancy schmancy bunkers waiting for the super-wealthy with all the bells and whistles. These psychopaths are convinced they’ll survive a worldwide nuclear holocaust by fleeing underground. In actuality, they’re building grandiose coffins, in the same way pharaohs thousands of
years ago built an elaborate sphinx as a monument to their own death.

Gary Weglarz
Gary Weglarz
Apr 9, 2020 5:38 PM

(“These psychopaths are convinced they’ll survive a worldwide nuclear holocaust by fleeing underground. In actuality, they’re building grandiose coffins, in the same way pharaohs thousands of years ago built an elaborate sphinx as a monument to their own death.”)

– nice observation Charlotte.

Charlotte Russe
Charlotte Russe
Apr 9, 2020 5:43 PM
Reply to  Gary Weglarz

Thanks–you might find this video interesting:

jay
jay
Apr 9, 2020 6:23 PM

And the kings of the earth, the great men, the rich men, the commanders, the mighty men, every slave and every free man, hid themselves in the caves and in the rocks of the mountains, and said to the mountains and rocks, “Fall on us and hide us from the face of Him who sits on the throne and from the wrath of the Lamb!

Revelation 6:15,16

Charlotte Ruse
Charlotte Ruse
Apr 9, 2020 6:34 PM
Reply to  jay

I’m an agnostic–so whatever–history tepeats itself. Primarily, for the reason I cited in a previous thread–Homo sapiens are a synthesis of human and beast.

jay
jay
Apr 9, 2020 9:24 PM
Reply to  Charlotte Ruse

So, what is the difference between human and a beast, there can’t be any by your reckoning…

Charlotte Russe
Charlotte Russe
Apr 10, 2020 3:34 AM
Reply to  jay

To put it briefly–the “beast” is the sociopathic part of the Homo sapien.

Mike Ellwood
Mike Ellwood
Apr 10, 2020 12:27 PM

Seems a little harsh on the beasts.

Charlotte Ruse
Charlotte Ruse
Apr 10, 2020 12:47 PM
Reply to  Mike Ellwood

Beasts, can handle the excoriation
they’re sadistic vicious creatures.
It’s obvious, just listen to the commentators on MSNBC.

paul
paul
Apr 9, 2020 7:43 PM

The SIOP referred to involved dropping 3,300 large nuclear weapons on 2,100 targets in the whole of the communist world, including 900 cities.
The initial death toll was estimated at between 285 and 1,000 million (when world population was half what it is today.)
Of course this was just the initial attack and took no account of Russian and Chinese retaliation, the thousands of smaller tactical nuclear weapons, British and French nuclear arsenals, chemical and biological weapons, and conventional warfare..

Charlotte Ruse
Charlotte Ruse
Apr 9, 2020 8:51 PM
Reply to  paul

Pretty horrific. The unimaginable suffering for what–geostrategic hegemony. The world is controlled by the mad.

paul
paul
Apr 9, 2020 11:07 PM
Reply to  Charlotte Ruse

The “average” weapon was 1.5 megatons, about 100 x Hiroshimas.
Even Albania was going to get 1 bomb. I wouldn’t have thought there was anything worth bombing in Albania, but apparently there was.
Greater Moscow was going to get 8 bombs.

About this time, the US had a project to develop a bomb so powerful that just one would destroy the whole of the Soviet Union.
Russia went one better. They had a project to develop one so powerful it would destroy the whole planet. The idea was to put this thing on a big merchant ship and sail it up and down the coast. Then if Russia was destroyed in a sneak attack, the matelots on board would light the blue touch paper, and goodbye world, spoiling the big party in Washington.
In a rare outbreak of sanity, neither of these monstrosities were actually produced.
Russia detonated the Tsar Bomba of 50 megatons during this period, setting it off in the Arctic. A real Mother Of All Bombs, it punched a hole in the earth’s atmosphere and smashed half the windows in Sweden. They were going to double this to 100 megatons, but had second thoughts. Maybe too many complaints from the Swedes. Makes Trump’s effort in Afghanistan look a little bit weedy by comparison.
The Russians actually developed a Doomsday Machine called “Perimeter” or “Dead Hand” in the 1980s, in response to Reagan’s Pershing and Cruise missiles. This thing is still in service and can be set to partly or fully automatic. It sends out signals to military and political headquarters periodically. If it doesn’t get a reply, it starts checking things like seismic activity, radiation, temperature and air pressure. If it doesn’t like what it sees, it comes to the conclusion that everybody has been wiped out and initiates the retaliation, firing off a cascade of missiles.
Of course all this is old technology and they can do much better nowadays.

Charlotte Russe
Charlotte Russe
Apr 10, 2020 3:59 AM
Reply to  paul

The whole thing sounds like something out of a dystopian novel where zany rulers are determined to obliterate the planet. Here’s some more nutsy stuff:

During the Cold War, General Thomas S. Power initiated a program whereby B-52s performed airborne alert duty under code names such as Head Start, Chrome Dome, Hard Head, Round Robin, and Operation Giant Lance. Bombers loitered
near points outside the Soviet Union to provide rapid first strike or retaliation capability in case of nuclear war.

The program was involved in the following nuclear-weapons accidents:

1961 Goldsboro B-52 crash[6]
1961 Yuba City B-52 crash
1964 Savage Mountain B-52 crash[Notes 1]
1966 Palomares B-52 crash
1968 Thule Air Base B-52 crash. The Thule accident signaled the end of the program on January 22, 1968.

Richard Le Sarc
Richard Le Sarc
Apr 10, 2020 12:42 AM
Reply to  Charlotte Ruse

Actually the killing and the inflicting of suffering is the reward. It makes them think that, by being inflicters of Death, they become its Master.

Richard Le Sarc
Richard Le Sarc
Apr 10, 2020 12:41 AM
Reply to  paul

They didn’t take a nuclear winter into account in those days, but it does illustrate the primacy of Thanatos in the American psyche.

John Pretty
John Pretty
Apr 9, 2020 7:57 PM

“$250 million golden girl” like Nancy Pelosi running Congress.

– Shouldn’t that be “$250 million golden granny”?

I disagree with your assertion that this is planned by the way. I don’t see it as “obvious”. You are entitled to your view and I am entitled to mine.

For sure, there are plenty of creeps who stand to gain from the chaos, but do not assume that governments are run by clever people. Much of the time they behave like clowns in suits.

Charlotte Ruse
Charlotte Ruse
Apr 9, 2020 8:59 PM
Reply to  John Pretty

https://youtu.be/AoLw-Q8X174
Planned in the sense that the creeps worked out a pandemic scenario. And duplicity in that the military/security/ surveillance/ corporate state were locked and loaded.

They’ve gotten a way with much worse. Propaganda has turned most of the population into receptive dimwits.

Igor
Igor
Apr 9, 2020 10:46 PM
Reply to  John Pretty

The government is staffed with puppets promoted from the ranks of the ultra wealthy elite families. Cleverness is not mentioned in the job requirements.

Richard Le Sarc
Richard Le Sarc
Apr 10, 2020 12:44 AM
Reply to  John Pretty

‘250 million golden mummy’ by the looks of her. No shortage of embalming fluid during the lock-down. Thank God the Chinese haven’t got a hold of our formaldehyde!

mcdonagh4
mcdonagh4
Apr 9, 2020 10:07 PM

Curtis LeMay knew 1 true thing . If you start a war for any reason , you must win it before accepting the guilt or blame that invariably attaches. In our own version of the Cassandra myth Americans simply refuse to believe that.

Charlotte Russe
Charlotte Russe
Apr 10, 2020 2:52 AM
Reply to  mcdonagh4

But look at LeMay’s strategy for winning a war—the utter devastation of the enemy. Perhaps, the best solution is not to start “phony” wars that kill millions.

Seamus Padraig
Seamus Padraig
Apr 9, 2020 10:29 PM

The establishment likes FDR because he was a war-monger. His very meager ‘New Deal’ was only meant to tide the American people over a few years until the permanent war-economy was ready.

Charlotte Russe
Charlotte Russe
Apr 10, 2020 3:27 AM
Reply to  Seamus Padraig

The business establishment “tolerated” the New Deal very begrudgingly. Remember, 1930’s America was quite different than the US today. Back then, there were powerful progressive movements. Hundreds of thousands belonged to socialist and communist organizations and labor unions were gaining strength. These numerous Leftists groups were willing to violently mobilize. And we can’t forget, the 1917 Russian Revolution terrified all capitalists who thought their own citizenry would be the next to revolt. Those are the reasons why FDR managed to get the New Deal through. In other words, the New Deal SAVED capitalism.

Of course, the elites accepted Roosevelt he was part of the ruling class. Theodore Roosevelt was the uncle of Eleanor Roosevelt later wife of Franklin Roosevelt. Franklin Delano Roosevelt was born into privilege. Though the Roosevelts were not as wealthy as their neighbors — the Astors, Rockefellers, and Vanderbilts — the family lived in a large house with several servants in an upscale neighborhood.

The overriding objectives of the Roosevelt family was always to sustain the status quo, and that included pursuing the US imperialist agenda. By the way, a little known fact, Kermit “Kim” Roosevelt Jr., a grandson of U.S. president Theodore Roosevelt, was a career intelligence officer who served in the Office of Strategic Services, forerunner to the Central Intelligence Agency (CIA), during and following the Second World War, went on to found Arabist organizations such as the American Friends of the Middle East, and then to play the lead role in the CIA-sponsored overthrow of Mohammad Mossadegh.

It should also be mentioned, that FDR was told to ditch Henry Wallace as his running mate
and to pick Harry Truman. Roosevelt dutifully followed orders. The heads of industries knew FDR was on death’s doorstep and did not want Henry Wallace to assume the presidency. I could continue, but you get the point…..

Willem
Willem
Apr 9, 2020 4:49 PM

Today’s data report on Covid19 from NL

https://www.rivm.nl/sites/default/files/2020-04/COVID-19_WebSite_rapport_20200409_1203.pdf

First, as acknowledged by RIVM, in NL we have (since last week) increased the number of people being tested on Covid19 (more lax triage system). So that the total number of people who have positive test results is not surprising.

What is ‘surprising’ is that, after another sunshiny and warm day with temp of 24C here, the number of hospitalizations due to Covid19 has gone down again (see figure 2 document). And which is impressive given that the number of people being tested for Covid19 has gone up!

The number of people admitted at ICUs is also slightly going down, deaths with Covid19 are going down and the PCR positives are going down.

The meanstream media here has seen this, and gloat about that the measures are working.

But that doesn’t make sense as what you see happening in NL is also happening at the same time in Italy. But Italy was 2 weeks earlier in lockdown than NL. So why does the number of hospitalizations and death with Covid19 go down in both countries at the same time? – Answer: because the weather changed in both countries at the same time!

And since you will not be likely to find this info in the lamestream about that the weather is stopping Covid19 in NL, I guess we have to do it for them.

And the message that has to be send is clear: Get out, get a tan, enjoy the sun as much as you can.

Or as the Beatles sung