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Standing on the Precipice of Martial Law

Matthew Ehret

General O’Shaugnessy, the man who could be President.

In my recent paper Why Assume There Will Be a 2020 Election?, I took the opportunity of today’s multifaceted crisis in order to revisit an important Wall Street-funded coup d’état effort of 1933-34.

As I explained in that location, this bankers’ coup was luckily exposed by a patriotic general named Smedley Darlington Butler during one of the darkest moments of America and profoundly changed the course of history.

The Deep State Plot Against JFK

The danger of World War and a military coup arose again during the short-lived administration of John F. Kennedy who found himself locked in a life or death struggle not with Russia, but with the Military Industrial Complex that had become dominated by the many Dr. Strangeloves of the Joint Chief of Staff and CIA who fanatically believed that America could win a nuclear war with Russia.

Kennedy’s valiant efforts to achieve dialogue with his Soviet counterparts, move towards peace in Vietnam, support of colonial liberation, promotion of space exploration and advocacy of a Nuclear Test Ban treaty made him a target of the Deep State of his time.

During this period, this effort was led from the top by JFK’s two most powerful American opponents: Allan Dulles (director of the CIA) and General Lyman Lemnitzer (head of the Joint Chiefs of Staff), both of whom were proponents of pre-emptive nuclear war, architects of the Bay of Pigs regime change trap and advocates of Operation Northwoods (an ultimate “inside job” precursor to 9/11 which JFK subverted).

As historian Anton Chaitkin recently reported:

“Lemnitzer had displayed what his faction viewed as his qualifications for this role back in August 1960, when, as Army chief of staff, he announced that the Army was all ready to “restore order” in the United States after a nuclear war with the Soviet Union—to bring back normalcy just as the military does after a flood or a riot”

This plot was detailed in a quasi-fictional book written by investigative journalists Fletcher Knebel and Charles Bailey published in 1962 entitled Seven Days in May and swiftly made into a famous film with unprecedented support by JFK himself who gave the film crew and director John Frankenheimer full access to the White House, advisors and materials for the film which he believed every American should see.

In the story, a patriotic lieutenant discovers the plans for the coup which is scheduled to take place during a vast military drill whereby a President who is close to finalizing a de-armament treaty with Russia will be incapacitated in a bunker while a military regime takes over America.

Tragically, where the lieutenant is able to expose the plot and save the nation in the story, by the time of the film’s 1964 release, JFK had been deposed by other means. Now 56 years later, history has begun to repeat itself with distinctly 21st century characteristics… and a viral twist.

The Stage is Again Set for Martial Law

Another President resistant to regime change and nuclear confrontation with Russia and China finds himself today in the White House in the form of Donald Trump.

As in 1933, today’s financial collapse threatens to rip the social and economic fabric of America to shreds, and just as in 1963 a powerful military industrial complex and private banking system manages a web of power which is devoted to overturning the 2016 election (and 1776 revolution) by any means. The biggest difference today is that a global coronavirus pandemic threatens to be the catalyzer used to justify military dictatorship in America and broader nuclear confrontation with Russia and China.

Instead of names like “Dulles”, or “Lemnitzer”, today’s coup directors feature such names as “Pompeo” and “O’Shaughnessy”… both Deep State assets highly positioned in 3rd and 4th place to take over the Presidency at the drop of a hat.

Terrence O’Shaughnessy: The Man Who Could Be President

Having slipped silently under the radar four weeks ago, the American Government passed a new emergency protocol into law which vastly expands powers and procedures of Martial Law under “Continuity of Government” which must be taken very seriously.

These new protocols deal at length with the triggering of Martial Law should the nation become ungovernable through a variety of foreseeable scenarios that COVID-19 has unleashed, such as “unwanted violence” caused by “food shortage, financial chaos” or also if the President, Vice President and Secretary of State all become incapacitated for any reason.

Even though this act was classified “Above Top Secret” a surprisingly in-depth March 18 Newsweek report by William Arkin documented how the “Combat Commander” of U.S. Northern Command (NORTHCOM) will immediately take power as a part of the “Continuity of Government” procedures which took on monstrous dimensions under the control of Dick Cheney in the wake of 9/11.

According to Newsweek, the new regulation drafted by the Joint Chiefs states that the military may take control where “duly constituted local authorities are unable to control the situation” even when “authorization by the President is impossible”. Arkin describes the new protocols for “devolving” leadership to second-tier officials in remote and quarantined locations.”

General O’Shaughnessy, (former Deputy of UN Command in Korea) currently doubles as the head of the North American Aerospace Defense Command (NORAD) and has devoted his past 14 months to the promotion of a military confrontation over the Arctic which he has described as “the new frontline of our homeland defense” against Russia and China who are “determined to exploit the region’s economic and strategic potential”.

NORTHCOM went operational on October 1, 2002 as part of the Neocon takeover of America. This neocon coup which came to full fruition with 9/11 was governed by a manifesto entitled the Project for a New American Century which laid out a Pax Americana of police state measures at home, regime change abroad and containment of a rising China and Russia under a religious belief in a unipolar world order.

This continental organization interfaces closely with both FEMA and the Department of Homeland Security, and was given a wide jurisdiction embracing not only the USA but also Mexico, Canada, Puerto Rico and the Bahamas, acting as “primary defender of an invasion of America”.

NORTHCOM interfaces closely with the deep state by hosting personnel from the FBI, CIA, NSA and Defense Intelligence Agency in its headquarters and is responsible for the protection of the President, Vice President and Secretary of State.

Most recently, RT has reported on March 28 that O’Shawnessy has ordered teams of “essential staff” deep into vast bunkers 650 meters below the surface in Cheyenne Mountain, Colorado to “wait out the COVID-19 crisis”.

Announcing this secretive mission, the General tweeted “Our dedicated professionals of the NORAD and NORTHCOM Command and control watch have left their homes, said goodbye to their families and are isolated from everyone to ensure they can stand watch each and every day to defend our homeland.”

Other military personnel have been banned from travelling and commanded to stay near their bases ready for action and as of March 30, over 14,600 National Guard forces have been deployed to all 50 states. Although they cannot currently engage in policing due to the 1878 US Posse Comitatus Act, Martial Law would render that provision null and void.

It is also noteworthy that only one day after the Coronavirus was labelled an “international public health emergency” by the World Health Organization on January 30, Defense Secretary Mark Esper approved nationwide pandemic plans and warned NORTHCOM to “prepare to deploy”.

This author doesn’t believe it to be a coincidence that patriotic voices who would typically be opposed to such a Martial Law agenda have been taken out of public life due to chaos emerging from the Coronavirus with Senator Ron Paul’s March 22 COVID-19 diagnosis forcing him into quarantine and the politically naive Tulsi Gabbard’s dropping out of the presidential race in order “to be prepared for the national guard duties”.

It isn’t very hard to imagine a COVID-19 diagnosis, real or fabricated to take the President and other members of the government out of office at a moment’s notice.

Time is running out for America and only bold, decisive action taken courageously and swiftly can change the course of self-annihilation upon which the republic now finds itself.

Presidents Xi Jinping and Putin have opened their arms to welcome America and other western nations into their new multipolar system which is built not upon a worship of money or militarism, but rather cooperation and creative mutual growth.

Project Airbridge collaboration between China and the USA has begun as a part of the Health Silk Road bringing millions of medical supplies to America.

Meanwhile, a brilliant coalition of former Latin American heads of State called for the creation of a new just economic order and debt jubilee as a response to the failure of the neoliberal system which shines a principled light out of the current threefold danger of economic collapse, war and Martial Law.

Originally published by Strategic Culture

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Arby
Arby
Apr 13, 2020 6:35 AM

I have zero use for Matthew’s fake history.

The Kennedy’s were terrorists, even if a good man, Robert Kennedy Jr, thinks otherwise.

https://app.box.com/s/nrb7s56g6qzwi9323nuve1irt8oe4lpc

paul
paul
Apr 11, 2020 8:03 PM

US Crapitalism has entered its Terminal Looting Phase.
The multi trillion bailout will be an action replay of 2008 on a vastly greater scale.
Administered by a real Swindler’s List of Kushner, Fink, Mnuchin, and a roll call of Wailing Wall Street’s finest, every Shylock spiv and shyster on the books.
The National Debt has jumped unnoticed way past $24 trillion.
With a Budget Deficit of $2.5 trillion of the $5.6 trillion Budget, way past 40% and growing.
All this will be clawed back with austerity on steroids and attempts by the Orange Baboon to steal Chinese and other countries’ assets to pay for it all.

Reg
Reg
Apr 10, 2020 4:06 PM
Alan Tench
Alan Tench
Apr 10, 2020 3:16 PM

This is what we’re up against in the UK:

https://twitter.com/grandad1975/status/1248247686563631104?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw

The officer in question has been ‘reprimanded’ for her gross stupidity, but unfortunately it appears to be a typical example of police idiocy.

Reg
Reg
Apr 10, 2020 3:50 PM
Reply to  Alan Tench

Sweet mother of Jesus (pbuh). I’m going to go out on a limb and say that this state of siege is here to stay. They’ll let the sheep out in the summer for a bit of frolicking but under watchful eyes. Probably with some distancing rules in place. Large gatherings of beer drinkers to be banned so that there’s no danger of riots if an economically ruined people start talking and decide to break out of their prison. Then come autumn expect the second “wave” of the virus and more hysteria. This repeats until the magic vaccine and digital implants are ready. After that, if you commit a thoughtcrime, you’re effectively vaporised.

tonyopmoc
tonyopmoc
Apr 10, 2020 4:50 PM
Reply to  Alan Tench

I don’t blame the police. They have been brainwashed too. They are frightened too. In fact almost everyone I know is both brainwashed, frightened, and not making my any sense. An extremely large number of people, were self employed, or employed on minimum wage at small businesses – most of which have been closed down. If this goes on for much longer, those businesses will go bust. Many of these people will not get any dole. If they have any family, most will be struggling too. How are people supposed to pay for food to eat, even if they get in the supermarket, to find the very last 4 Hot Cross buns, as my wife did today. She said, all the shelves had been cleared. There was almost nothing else left.

Tony

Oliver
Oliver
Apr 10, 2020 4:56 PM
Reply to  Alan Tench

Bear in mind that the Coronavirus Act became law in the UK by Royal Assent. It why they are called Rulers, as they set the Rules. Crown Immunity means they don’t have any need to abide by them. Bum deal for us.

George Mc
George Mc
Apr 10, 2020 11:08 PM
Reply to  Alan Tench

The officer in question has been ‘reprimanded’ for her gross stupidity

Only because she was being filmed. Otherwise she would have been congratulated.

And on that note, in a conversation with friends today, one of them mooted the notion that we were headed towards a police state and another, instead of picking up the ominous significance of that, said “Yes – damn straight! We need the police to come in!”

And we used to wonder at how the Germans became enthusiastic supporters of Hitler!

JudyJ
JudyJ
Apr 12, 2020 12:18 PM
Reply to  George Mc

George

I take it there were at least three of you in conversation? Isn’t that a bit anarchic? How did you achieve that without being arrested?? 😉 😉

George Mc
George Mc
Apr 12, 2020 8:05 PM
Reply to  JudyJ

It is seriously scary. When a friend called, he was floored by one of our dogs who was so glad to see him. I was about to take a photo and then stopped myself. I don’t want to create incriminating evidence!

Moneycircus
Moneycircus
Apr 10, 2020 9:20 AM

Whenever the rich talk about luck, you should be very suspicious. Opportunistic yes, but they leave nothing to chance. The wealthy are supremely suspicious and, if you are one of them or you know some of them, you will acknowledge that they are always on alert to the possibility that the person on the other side of the bargain might gain more benefit than they. In my few dealings with the very wealthy I have found them so suspicious, so averse to losing out, the negotiations so long and unpleasant that I walked away. I don’t have what it takes to be rich.

Bill Gates claims he was lucky time after time. I would say only one of those incidents was truly luck: being born as the progeny of a legal and banking family. Lucky again: Mom had some spare computers and gave them to Bill’s school. Lucky a third time: IBM approached the unknown Gates in 1980 asking him to develop an operating system. Lucky a fourth time: Gates sent them to another company but the negotiations went badly and IBM came back to Gates. Gates knew a company that did have a product called Q-DOS. IBM also knew this but chose to secretly use Gates to acquire Q-DOS. Lucky a fifth time: IBM then chose not to buy the product from Gates but to pay him a royalty instead.

None of this stands up to logic: Why didn’t IBM go straight for Q-DOS; why did it first ask Gates to develop an OS; if it wanted a stealthy bid for Q-DOS why initially break off talks with Gates; and if it wanted Q-DOS why settle for not owning it but simply paying royalties?

Gates as a front is the more likely story. Fronting is common in business and even more so in intelligence. Silicon Valley was established by the Department of Defense. Computer development was supervised by the military and back in 1980 IBM was the computer industry.

IBM was, famously, the company that made Hitler’s trains run on time. IBM’s Hollerith cards ran the racial classification system. Without its punch cards the Nazis eugenicists would not have been able to categorize the homosexuals, gypsies and Jews. IBM’s AI supercomputer Watson is not named after Sherlock Homes’ sidekick but Thomas J Watson, Hitler’s sidekick who was awarded he highest decoration given to a non-German, the Merit Cross of the German Eagle With Star.

Eugenics runs deep in the Gates family, too. William Henry Gates II, aged 94, often photographed with smiling, diverse children, sat on the board of Planned Parenthood, the former American Eugenics Society.

William Henry Gates III is not the product of luck but a representative of established interests that shaped the 20th century and which are seeking to dominate the 21st. The working assumption must be that Gates is a front for the confluence of those same interests that have brought us to the brink of hell on more than one occasion.

jay
jay
Apr 10, 2020 12:15 PM
Reply to  Moneycircus

J.K.Rowling rumoured to be a ‘front’.

Vivian J
Vivian J
Apr 12, 2020 11:11 AM
Reply to  jay

Highly likely. Nice friendly occultism for children.

fred
fred
Apr 10, 2020 7:34 AM

This article is directly relevant to the article above:

Coronavirus: What Newsweek Failed to Mention About “Continuity of Government”

nondimenticare
nondimenticare
Apr 10, 2020 1:53 AM

Not directly on topic, bud kinda sorta, could someone enlighten me as to what is going on in New York? I’m in Canada, don’t listen to/watch MSM, and have heard nothing except that coronavirus is a true epidemic there. Every time I suggest to someone that the measures being taken worldwide are draconian, harmful, and do not bode well, he/she says “What about New York?” Well, what about New York?

crispy
crispy
Apr 10, 2020 8:59 AM
Reply to  nondimenticare

Why don’t you just watch your TV and you’ll find out?

Whatever you do don’t watch kremlin propaganda channel RT International,well you probably will now I’ve said that,silly me!

Moneycircus
Moneycircus
Apr 10, 2020 1:35 AM

Bill Gates has bought up the media. Do you expect them to report on him objectively?
Sherri Fink wrote a report for the NYT about being in a hospital in Brooklyn reporting on the dire conditions for staff and patients. But who is Sherri Fink?
The same producer, Sherri Fink, who made two puff pieces on Bill Gates for Netflix. One is called Inside Bill’s Brain and he is portrayed as the nerd genius. The other is Pandemic. Sherri Fink also worked on health and fellowship positions for Bill Gates in the past.
Bill Gates is buying influence in the media on a massive level: The Guardian Public Health Section entirely funded by Gates 9 million dollars; the BBC 49 million dollars to the BBC’s media action center; Al Jazeera 1 million dollars; NBC 3 million dollars.
From 58 minutes on The Grayzone video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?reload=9&v=8676Q93GW1k

paul
paul
Apr 10, 2020 2:58 AM
Reply to  Moneycircus

BBC Media Action is the outfit Zaghari Ratcliffe was working for, training subversives and opposition activists in Iran.

Frank Speaker
Frank Speaker
Apr 10, 2020 9:02 AM
Reply to  Moneycircus

But Bill Gates isn’t jewish.

George Mc
George Mc
Apr 10, 2020 9:53 AM
Reply to  Frank Speaker

Didn’t know you were anti-Semitic, Frank.

jay
jay
Apr 10, 2020 12:01 PM
Reply to  George Mc

Gates is still a couple of billion dollars short of being Jewish.

Cesca
Cesca
Apr 10, 2020 1:33 AM

Excellent article but the COG has been in control in the US since the date of 11/09/01 itself, COG is a component of most Western states since WWII but only in the direst of circs, not in contrived circs such as 9/11.

No doubt about it, whether you want to call them the Shadow Govt, the Establishment or the High Cabal like Winston Churchill did, a shadowy group of socio/psychopaths have been the real powers behind the curtain for at least 150 years, which is a minimum.

These things are not human, they are a biological error, aberrant, seriously recommend reading Anthropologist Christopher Boehm’s Hierachy in the Forest to understand what they are and how they should be dealt with.

Cesca
Cesca
Apr 10, 2020 1:40 AM
Reply to  Cesca

P.S. Seriously think this vid should go viral: COVID-19: The PANICdemic and What’s to Come – https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZiOdxRluLF8

Cicatriz
Cicatriz
Apr 10, 2020 12:29 AM

Probably would have been better in the Bill Gates thread, but a week is a long time in our current world of being stuck indoors doing nothing and the threads are moving on fast.

https://www.sott.net/article/432171-Bill-Gates-Obsession-With-Vaccines

Robert Kennedy Jr discussing Gates’ obsession with vaccines.

Moneycircus
Moneycircus
Apr 10, 2020 1:47 AM
Reply to  Cicatriz

Bill Gates is a dodgy businessman who pays journalists to write nice things about him. The crook who stole from Xerox and cornered the market in operating systems through a rigged deal with PC manufacturers. Even the people he pays to be his fans know the joke about Microsoft being a vector for viruses.
Even if he was not a front for intelligence at the beginning he soon became that, buying Skype, Linked-in, data entry like Swift-key, media outlets… see a connection?

jason_piewell
jason_piewell
Apr 10, 2020 8:52 AM
Reply to  Moneycircus

Bill Gates is the perfect establishment choice to push through draconian agendas, obscenely rich, yet looks like such a nice smiley kindly old man Grandfather-like figure, as he injects us with debilitating poison!

Frank Speaker
Frank Speaker
Apr 10, 2020 9:06 AM
Reply to  Moneycircus

Bill Gates is helping countless millions of people survive deadly diseases. Because he’s a capitalist doing so rather than a Marxist, many commenters here despise him. Would you rather those people died instead?

jason_piewell
jason_piewell
Apr 10, 2020 9:22 AM
Reply to  Frank Speaker

Is he? Proof?

Reg
Reg
Apr 10, 2020 10:45 AM
Reply to  Frank Speaker

OK, I’ll bite. Your precious capitalist Bill Gates is a great cheerleader for Monsanto’s poisons.

jason_piewell
jason_piewell
Apr 10, 2020 11:14 AM
Reply to  Frank Speaker

Recent quote from Bill Gates: “Even the issue of once you get the case numbers down, what does opening up look like? Which activities like schools have such benefits that can be done in such a way that the risk of transmission is very low, and which activities like mass gatherings may be in a certain sense more optional, so until you’re widely vaccinated, those may not, uh, come back, uh, at all.” Make of that what you will, but to me it’s a very sinister message and potentially spells the end of at least 200,000 years of human social interaction

Cicatriz
Cicatriz
Apr 10, 2020 11:17 AM
Reply to  jason_piewell

I always thought the point of living was to live.

Cicatriz
Cicatriz
Apr 10, 2020 12:32 PM
Reply to  Frank Speaker

From the above article:

“Promising to eradicate Polio with $1.2 billion, Gates took control of India ‘s National Advisory Board (NAB) and mandated 50 polio vaccines (up from 5) to every child before age 5. Indian doctors blame the Gates campaign for a devastating vaccine-strain polio epidemic that paralyzed 496,000 children between 2000 and 2017. In 2017, the Indian Government dialed back Gates’ vaccine regimen and evicted Gates and his cronies from the NAB. Polio paralysis rates dropped precipitously. ”

Nice help.

Mike Ellwood
Mike Ellwood
Apr 10, 2020 9:03 PM
Reply to  Cicatriz

Jesus! And he’s currently lecturing the world about a Covid-19 vaccine?

DunGroanin
DunGroanin
Apr 10, 2020 9:28 PM
Reply to  Cicatriz

Genuinely brilliant – a Kennedy still lives!
Maybe Bob should have added another line to his opus at the end something like – ‘you can murder the brothers too; their kids will come and then the grandkids – you can’t kill them all and they need just one shot to kill you mofo’s. Better start running’.

Bill looks like the kid Damian the devil child who got the worlds souls through Microsoft – as he was born too it. Makes one almost suspect Steve Jobs may have been whacked! And Apple aint as evil as its name implies…all very biblical.

But what a amazing public call out by RK jr!

Cicatriz
Cicatriz
Apr 10, 2020 10:13 PM
Reply to  DunGroanin

It gives me some hope

Shaking My Head
Shaking My Head
Apr 10, 2020 10:39 PM
Reply to  Cicatriz

Controversial vaccine studies: Why is Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation under fire from critics in India?

https://economictimes.indiatimes.com/industry/healthcare/biotech/healthcare/controversial-vaccine-studies-why-is-bill-melinda-gates-foundation-under-fire-from-critics-in-india/articleshow/41280050.cms

NEW DELHI: The Centre has shut the gate on the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation on a critical national health mission, and possible conflict of interest issues arising from the foundation’s “ties” with pharmaceutical companies is one of the reasons.

https://economictimes.indiatimes.com/news/politics-and-nation/centre-shuts-gate-on-bill-melinda-gates-foundation/articleshow/57028697.cms?from=mdr

clickkid
clickkid
Apr 10, 2020 12:15 AM

Another thing..

I’m sick of hearing about ‘our fantastic NHS’. All this clapping nonsense.

They are doing a job for which they get paid – like millions of others.

A study I read years ago came to the conclusion that after circulatory diseases and cancer, mistakes made by medical workers were the largest cause of death.

John ErvIn
John ErvIn
Apr 10, 2020 1:27 AM
Reply to  clickkid

That’s gospel. That’s a constant, not just years ago. . I’ve read repeatedly, thru years, that administering the wrong drugs, etc. , are the 2nd or 3rd most fatalities. It’s a staggering stat.

Willem
Willem
Apr 10, 2020 6:50 AM
Reply to  John ErvIn

I agree. And being a health worker myself, I can say: it is pretty awkward to hear people clap for people like me doing their job.

Reminds me that people also clap for airline pilots, certainly after they had a scary landing

Which shows that the hand clapping is fear induced.

And the heroism of health workers, who just do their job, as propagated by the meanstream media, is a perfect cover for journalists and politicians who are not doing their job.

Mike Ellwood
Mike Ellwood
Apr 10, 2020 10:26 AM
Reply to  John ErvIn

As I have said in another thread, I and my family have reason to be grateful to the NHS (not COVID19 related), and I show this gratitude by faithfully paying my taxes which I have been. doing for 52 years.

However, in the context of Covid19, only a fraction of us will need the services of the NHS.
100% of us will however, need the services of the workers in the food supply industry: farmers, importers, supermarkets, small shops, milkmen, truck drivers, freight train workers, etc, etc. I’m very grateful to all of those who are still working in this field, without whom we would not survive for very long.

Also, to a slightly lesser extent, postmen and courier drives; bin men.

I’m sure there are others.

John Pretty
John Pretty
Apr 10, 2020 10:18 AM
Reply to  clickkid

No, actually being mortal is actually the largest cause of death.

We simply do not have a rational way of coming to terms with this in our mollycoddled, technologically advanced cultures.

jim
jim
Apr 11, 2020 8:34 AM
Reply to  clickkid

Medical practitioners (doctors, nurses) just follow orders. It’s a military system. What should be criticized is the medical establishment, the ones that are giving the orders.

Daniel Spaniel
Daniel Spaniel
Apr 10, 2020 12:03 AM

I’m preparing to return to work… could somebody be so kind as to provide evidence that the corona virus cannot survive under these warm weather conditions… it is more difficult to provide evidence of malpractice in hospitals as people have been suffering at the hands of the NHS for years with little redress…

Richard Le Sarc
Richard Le Sarc
Apr 10, 2020 12:16 AM
Reply to  Daniel Spaniel

If you look at the disease progression in Indonesia, well it doesn’t look likely

Daniel Spaniel
Daniel Spaniel
Apr 10, 2020 12:40 AM

Indonesia not the most freedom-loving country?

Richard Le Sarc
Richard Le Sarc
Apr 10, 2020 9:39 AM
Reply to  Daniel Spaniel

Please explain.

cachaciero
cachaciero
Apr 10, 2020 11:34 AM
Reply to  Daniel Spaniel

True but it is one with an extremely high population density and while I believe that there is some evidence that the virus doesn’t like high temperatures, it probably doesn’t like high UV either but disease progression in Indonesia undoubtedly has a lot to do with general health, and living conditions IMHO.

Richard Le Sarc
Richard Le Sarc
Apr 12, 2020 5:59 AM
Reply to  cachaciero

Swings and roundabouts. ‘Too early to say’, as Zhou En-lai said.

Willem
Willem
Apr 10, 2020 6:54 AM

If you look at Southern Hemisphere (autumn) vs Northern hemisphere (Spring), it is very likely.

That+ that viruses can survive in a closed and rather cold airconditioned environment, as countries like Indonesia have in abundance (hotels, airports, etc)

jason_piewell
jason_piewell
Apr 10, 2020 9:00 AM
Reply to  Willem

In Cambodia, where currently it is constantly over 35degrees and over 60% humidity has had recorded just 119 cases. However i think the point about the weather affecting the virus is often missed, exposure to sunlight/vitamin D is long proven to help a strong immune system/protection against contagious virus, as is a healthy diet of fresh food. Lack of Vitamin D is said to be the main driver of the annual Winter influenza outbreaks, which is the main reason why Police moving on sunbathers to “stop the spread of COVID-19” is utter lunacy.

Mike Ellwood
Mike Ellwood
Apr 10, 2020 10:28 AM
Reply to  jason_piewell

Couldn’t agree more!

Willem
Willem
Apr 10, 2020 6:56 AM
Reply to  Daniel Spaniel

‘ I’m preparing to return to work… could somebody be so kind as to provide evidence that the corona virus cannot survive under these warm weather conditions’

Proof is difficult. But there certainly is a correlation between countries like Italy, NL and China, that when temps get >20C the number of people with Covid19 who visit the hospital plummet.

That correlation plus that coronaviruses are winter viruses is good enough evidence for me

clickkid
clickkid
Apr 9, 2020 11:57 PM

I know that the statistics are obviously a complete mess, but just for fun:

UK – Population 65m – deaths 7978

Sweden – Population 10m – deaths 809

UK – deaths per Million – 123

Sweden – deaths per Million – 81

Richard Le Sarc
Richard Le Sarc
Apr 10, 2020 12:17 AM
Reply to  clickkid

Still too early to draw conclusions.

Willem
Willem
Apr 10, 2020 7:01 AM

Tell me, when would you be convinced that the lock down measures, for which there is no evidence that it works, don’t work?

To me, those who believe that lock down measures work, are just that: ardent believers

Richard Le Sarc
Richard Le Sarc
Apr 10, 2020 9:42 AM
Reply to  Willem

After they are eased. Then we will see if the ‘second wave’ theories are correct. So far most of the predictions have been ludicrously overstated. That could be because of lockdown measures, or not. Ardent disbelief is also misguided.

Richard Le Sarc
Richard Le Sarc
Apr 12, 2020 6:00 AM

Even the merest dissent from the cult invites down-votes aplenty.

Sam - Admin2
Admin
Sam - Admin2
Apr 12, 2020 2:56 PM

Which ‘cult’ would that be, exactly?

Mike Ellwood
Mike Ellwood
Apr 10, 2020 10:37 AM
Reply to  clickkid

If you haven’t, check out the Youtube channel “Peerless Reads” (Andrew Mather).

He gets a bit carried away sometimes, but makes valid points I believe.

And yes, it may be too early to say, but if we end up with more deaths, it will be down to a general poor state of health due to junk food, stress and poverty, overt and hidden.
And in many cases being treated with unnecessary & useless prescription drugs.

I think Mather shows that Norway has an even lower death rate. But it’s well known that Norway, Sweden and Denmark have a high standard of living and good social cohesiveness, and in the case of Norway especially, an active outdoors-y lifestyle (in spite of the climate), which I suspect keeps them healthy.

jack(jim)
jack(jim)
Apr 9, 2020 10:41 PM

I don’t know if I trust this article but they climb it is full of proof.

COVID 19: Created in North Carolina for Bio-Warfare, Paid for by CIA, Trump Blames China (March 27 story)

https://www.veteranstoday.com/2020/04/09/pravda-us-army-created-covid-19-in-2015-research-proofs-or-debunking-you-pick/

clickkid
clickkid
Apr 9, 2020 10:59 PM
Reply to  jack(jim)

Covid-19 is psychological warfare – not biological – look at the data.

Veterans Today has come out with all sorts of nonsense over the years.

RobG
RobG
Apr 9, 2020 11:16 PM
Reply to  clickkid

Yes, I agree with that; although VT do sometimes come out with some good stuff.

Back in the day, KB’s interview on Fox was an absolute classic!

John ErvIn
John ErvIn
Apr 9, 2020 11:32 PM
Reply to  clickkid

Why go to all the cost and talent-sensitive expenditures, when you create as big ~or bigger~ a s**tstorm for us all with a menu of psywarfare and micro-managed media ops?

The psyop doesn’t have as many uncontainable perimeters as an unprecedented bug.

Strategically better in a cost/benefits analysis.

Rhys Jaggar
Rhys Jaggar
Apr 10, 2020 7:35 PM
Reply to  jack(jim)

You should not trust it.

The original research they quote does NOT describe the creation of SARS-CoV2, but it does describe creation of a hybrid virus including part of a bat coronavirus. They did develop the sorts of technologies necessary to develop a Coronavirus Bioweapon, but that paper does not prove that the US made SARS-CoV2.

It is still possible that the US did make it, but the evidence cited in that article is NOT proof.

RobG
RobG
Apr 9, 2020 10:30 PM

I should start some headlines that are the funniest, and I’ll start with this one…

https://www.theguardian.com/business/2020/apr/09/bank-of-england-to-finance-uk-government-covid-19-crisis-spending#maincontent

The Bank of England is, effectively, a private bank (just like the Fed in the US is). The money that the UK government is now borrowing from the Bank of England has to be paid back with interest.

The UK is a sovereign government that has the ability to print and issue its own currency. It does not need to borrow and pay interest to outside entities.

The present banking system is one of the biggest cons in human history.

crank
crank
Apr 9, 2020 11:15 PM
Reply to  RobG

I don’t think that is correct. The Bank of England (unlike the Fed) is a public bank : it is owned by the state. It has not been allowed to print money for the state though (since the First World War?) , but despite the denials:

Both the chancellor, Rishi Sunak, and the Bank’s governor, Andrew Bailey, are keen to quash speculation that the cost of the lockdown will eventually force the government into monetary financing, also known as “helicopter money”.

this is exactly what will happen. It will be a new era.
Boait’s comment is a noteworthy inclusion in the article.
I was for several years an active member of Positive Money, until my view about it changed. The debt free money idea makes some sense if applied correctly, but their vision of the Bank of England is liberal idiocy. The Old Lady of Threadneedle Street has a dark and sordid history which PosMoney simply ignore, choosing instead to trust the money power to the technocrats instead of the technocrats’ siblings in the private banks. Positive Money is dangerously naive in my opinion. The Bank of England should be reformed beyond all recognition.
I don’t know if I go as far as Prof. Werner’s declaration of P.M. being an astro-turf organisation (although The Guardian’s love of P.M. makes one think), but Werner’s solution of community banks makes far more sense to me, and is proven.

RobG
RobG
Apr 10, 2020 12:07 AM
Reply to  crank

I’m sorry, but I have no idea of what you’re going on about.

Are you trying to tell us that the Bank of England is not a private bank? because that’s not true.

Are you trying to tell us that a private bank can loan money at interest to a government that can issue its own currency?

Richard Le Sarc
Richard Le Sarc
Apr 10, 2020 12:19 AM
Reply to  RobG

The City of London is a private fiefdom.

RobG
RobG
Apr 10, 2020 12:37 AM
Reply to  RobG

I appreciate that what ‘crank’ and I are going on about at the moment might seem a bit mad to many folks, but it is absolutely fundamental when it comes to understanding the present economic collapse.

Bottom line is, if you can print your own currency, as one of the largest economies in the world (I’m talking about the likes of the UK), you never need to borrow money and pay interest on it,

The fact that they do borrow money and pay huge amounts of interest on it shows how totally corrupt they are.

It’s all very simple, really.

Cicatriz
Cicatriz
Apr 10, 2020 10:18 PM
Reply to  RobG

My discovery of fractional reserve banking following the financial crash was the final piece of the jigsaw. When completed, it read “you’re screwed.”

crank
crank
Apr 10, 2020 7:18 AM
Reply to  RobG

As I understand it, the Bank of England is not a private bank, no. If you have information otherwise please share. I have read this claim made many times over the years, and whilst I am ever open to being wrong, ever open to accepting yet another deception created by the powerful, I have never seen anything that tells us otherwise.
It used to be a private bank. It was created by private interests to fleece the nation. It’s key employees and directors are all closely connected to the world of private finance, and its role in the economy is as a facilitator for private banks (and other financial institutions) to continue fleecing the people who live here and abroad. But as far as I know it was nationalised many decades ago and is wholly owned by the UK state.
Private banks can and do lend money at interest to the government, and the main argument of Ellen Brown, Zarlenga, the Bradbury Pound enthusiasts and Positive Money has been that this is unnecessary, in fact that it is a form of legalised fraud. The UK government (and local governments for that matter) could finance themselves by issuing money – I think you know and agree with that.

jack(jim)
jack(jim)
Apr 9, 2020 10:24 PM

“Our dedicated professionals of the NORAD and NORTHCOM Command and control watch have left their homes, said goodbye to their families and are isolated from everyone to ensure they can stand watch each and every day to defend our homeland.”

What a brave & intelligent military the American’s have, hiding deep underground from a mild form of the flu. jesus!

John ErvIn
John ErvIn
Apr 9, 2020 11:59 PM
Reply to  jack(jim)

Well, if you think it’s just to hide from a virus.

I find the depth unnerving, as it is suggestive of thermonuclear war or whatever.

My family built a thick gauge steel heavily reinforced bomb shelter 40 ft deep (think “4 story building”) during the ’61 Cuban Missile Crisis. I spent time in it as a youngster, and I was impressed.

But O’Shaughnessy has a crib almost a half MILE deep.

What, The Flock?!

Like I say, crazies converge here.

There was a great ’80s New Twilight Zone episode that profiled your basic KuKluxer Americano survivalist nut, no doubt based on those real life Strangelovian avatars, Curtis LeMay and Lyman Lemnitzer, who builds an impregnable underground fortress in his backyard and during a crisis seals himself in, not knowing that Armageddon, as has been it’s custom ~so far~ has been postponed and in spite of his best info, he doesn’t get the bulletin.

The episode ends, years later, they are giving tours of his bunker, now enclosed above ground in a glass shell as a “Peace Dome” ~ a nostalgic memorial to the time Planet Earth narrowly escaped demise. Not knowing our war hawk “survivalist” is trapped deep below.

And he, much older but not much wiser, sealed below in his bunker with long sustainable supplies, knows even less about the current “State of the Union”. His communications station took the hit, but not much else. He is alone but triumphant, as he believes he is the last left alive.

A cautionary tale for these times.

~~~~~

Yakov Smirnoff: “Is this a great country, or what?” 1980s ad campaign

Richard Le Sarc
Richard Le Sarc
Apr 10, 2020 12:22 AM
Reply to  John ErvIn

‘I’ll vote for a Smirnoff-early and often!’

Richard Le Sarc
Richard Le Sarc
Apr 10, 2020 12:20 AM
Reply to  jack(jim)

They are not hiding from the flu, or coronaviruses, but from what is to come.

John ErvIn
John ErvIn
Apr 10, 2020 1:20 AM

Too true, but they’ve had their bunkers out there forever. I hitchhiked cross country, twice, as a lad, and those bunkers, bottomless pits, silos, etc. have been there forever, even well before I passed through the Rockies a half century ago. Back then, Vegas was two blocks, “The Strip”, now it’s a vast monstrosity like LA. But those were already huge back then.

These people are “crackpot realists”.

They march in their stern world of their own making. The real world would be a lot better off if they’d just stay there.

lod
lod
Apr 9, 2020 10:03 PM

I commented on another piece from on this site that the BoJo ICU story was clearly nonsense.
When I visited my grandfather in an ICU a few years ago he and the other three patients in his ward were all gravely ill. That is what ICU is for, people who are very close to dying. I think, but open to being corrected, that once in an ICU there is a 50/50 chance you leave either to a recovery ward or the morgue.
Now here is Boris admitted to the ICU. Then merely two days later he’s as bright as a button and sitting up in his bed running the country again!
You can always find a grain of truth in amongst the media lies though. They said that Boris needed 4 litres of oxygen. The normal threshold for submission to an ICU is a need for 15 litres. So he was an ICU patient in name only. He was never lying in his bed at deaths door.
I sensed last weekend that there was some wider dissent on government policy even among the mainstream. This was a perfect story to put a stop to that because ‘if the PM could become really sick then it must be really bad’.
Maybe the vast majority of people in the UK have never experienced an ICU therefore can’t see through the spin. But they don’t seem to be capable of thinking critically through any part of this thing.
Appreciate this might be a small part of the global crime against humanity currently taking place but it just ground my gears.

Ian Beeby
Ian Beeby
Apr 9, 2020 10:52 PM
Reply to  lod

Most sensible people knew it was only a publicity stunt

RobG
RobG
Apr 9, 2020 10:59 PM
Reply to  lod

You are quite correct in what you say (but you’re not allowed to say it thesedays!). The Boris stuff was obviously a PR stunt, as is the Nightingale Hospital and all the rest of it (and don’t worry about spaffing up the wall huge amounts of tax payer’s money).

These people are criminals, who everyone knows have been running the NHS into the ground for decades in order to privatise it.

May Hem
May Hem
Apr 9, 2020 11:50 PM
Reply to  RobG

nice trick by boris (and his PR team) to get public sympathy and approval. he’ll probably get voted in next election, for being a ‘corona hero’.

Daniel Spaniel
Daniel Spaniel
Apr 10, 2020 12:08 AM
Reply to  May Hem

Either him or Sir Keir. What’s the difference?

Richard Le Sarc
Richard Le Sarc
Apr 10, 2020 12:26 AM
Reply to  May Hem

What ‘next election’?

Nick
Nick
Apr 10, 2020 4:11 AM
Reply to  May Hem

Not sure. The number of deaths in UK will be high.. People will not forget his herd immunity ‘strategy’. Unless they are idiots

Mike Ellwood
Mike Ellwood
Apr 10, 2020 10:41 AM
Reply to  Nick

His herd immunity strategy was reversed almost immediately.

Nick
Nick
Apr 10, 2020 10:07 PM
Reply to  Mike Ellwood

No way. UK will have more deaths than UK.

Nick
Nick
Apr 10, 2020 10:08 PM
Reply to  Nick

*Italy

Richard Le Sarc
Richard Le Sarc
Apr 12, 2020 6:03 AM
Reply to  Mike Ellwood

After it was revealed. Two weeks or more is a long time in these circumstances. BoJo boasting of shaking hands with everyone was dumb, too, as he discovered.

William Wallace
William Wallace
Apr 10, 2020 10:07 PM
Reply to  May Hem

Boris is going to wish he was dead- when he has to face up to the fact that he has killed the UK economy.

Buffoonish jokes from the wild-haired Turkish *** adulterer will not cut it with regular British people who have lost everything.

crank
crank
Apr 9, 2020 11:56 PM
Reply to  lod

My old man was put in an intensive care ward last year because it was the only place with space at the time, even though he didn’t need that level of care. It’s possible that BJ was on an actual IC ward – but was not seriously ill. A bit of oxygen for a high perhaps ?
Another close relative works closely with NHS managers. He doesn’t think that there is a fascist take over of society. He thinks my views on political conspiracies are absurd.
I spoke to him this evening and he confirms that the Excel hospital in London is mostly empty – that there is currently little need for it. He also predicted that another emergency hospital built in the regions in which he has been involved, will remain unused, as there remains a lot of spare capacity in the nearby city’s hospitals.
To any reader that is just an anecdote and should be treated as such, but, it has to be said, there are more and more of them going around. The hospitals are for the most part quiet it would seem.
If there were a deliberate attempt to inflate the figures through spurious COVID diagnosis community deaths then it would fit. No postmortems…

Willem
Willem
Apr 10, 2020 7:18 AM
Reply to  crank

‘ The hospitals are for the most part quiet it would seem’

It’s because
1. people are scared of going to hospitals (patients and visitors) as they (rightly in my opinion) think that health care workers are infected (in NL they are obliged to continue to work even if they have a cough)
2. Most elective procedures are canceled as doctors prepare for Armageddon and are all taking rounds at the A&E (where it is more busy than usual but not that busy)

For the individual patient this is all very bad planning

And it is also very bad for hospitals as it diminishes their revenue. After all they need patients to make money

And so it is also very bad for health care workers who are getting paid by the hospitals who are (depending on how rich the hospital is) quickly running out of money.

And all of that just for a simple flu.

As Stimpy said: ‘when does the hurting stop’

cachaciero
cachaciero
Apr 10, 2020 11:52 AM
Reply to  crank

Re ICU and Oxygen In so far as I recall oxygen points are available on most / all beds on standard wards so there would be no requirement to move a patient to ICU just for Oxygen. However ventilation equipment and procedures are another story, suspect that BoJo was moved as a precautionary “just in case” measure… or because it made good copy and fitted the narrative.

Richard Le Sarc
Richard Le Sarc
Apr 10, 2020 12:25 AM
Reply to  lod

No-ICUs are for the gravely ill who might be rescued. The gravely ill who are going to die, go into ‘palliative care’, and Nature takes its course, or, if they are in great pain and suffering, they are euthanised with opioid pain-killers and other medications. BoJo is PM, too, so they need to save him, and avert chaos. Once he appointed Raab as acting PM, no doubt they redoubled their efforts to salvage him.

Sam - Admin2
Admin
Sam - Admin2
Apr 10, 2020 12:49 AM

I believe ICU is for critically unstable patients, who need immediate life support to stay alive. Palliative Care is a form of treatment aimed at easing suffering and can also be applied in an ICU setting. I used to work in a hospital, but in an unskilled capacity, so I am more than happy to be corrected.

Richard Le Sarc
Richard Le Sarc
Apr 10, 2020 9:49 AM
Reply to  Sam - Admin2

What you say is the same as that which I asserted. Gravely ill, or critically unstable are the same thing. High Dependency is one step down, often for those well enough to leave ICUs, but not well enough for the wards. Many surgical patients, after major ops, go to ICU for close monitoring, with or without ventilation, with invasive monitoring like arterial and central lines and intracerebral pressure monitoring. Palliative care is intended to ease suffering on those expected to die, like end-stage cancer patients, or the very elderly with multiple pathologies. Intervention in the last weeks of life is a very lucrative business, hence the opposition to euthanasia.

cachaciero
cachaciero
Apr 10, 2020 11:58 AM

An interesting observation about palliative care and its profitability, has woken up some thoughts about my mothers death in a Nursing Home, need to mull that one over, thanks.

Richard Le Sarc
Richard Le Sarc
Apr 12, 2020 6:05 AM
Reply to  cachaciero

You only have to work in the area, for a while, to see the pattern that holds. The opposition to euthanasia, unprincipled and mendacious, is another sign.

Sam - Admin2
Admin
Sam - Admin2
Apr 10, 2020 4:20 PM

Fair, although “ICUs are for the gravely ill who might be rescued” is a tad confusing, to me, as it implies that some sort of triage based on life-expectancy were involved. Whereas, if someone on a palliative care ward contracted pneumonia and suffered severe breathing difficulties, I suggest they’d be moved to an ICU. This was why I suggested “critically unstable”. Again, happy to be corrected.

Richard Le Sarc
Richard Le Sarc
Apr 12, 2020 6:10 AM
Reply to  Sam - Admin2

Triage is originally three categories. The dying efforts to help which would be futile. The well enough, who just require monitoring as they recover. And those who need assistance, surgically or medically, to prevent deterioration to the first category, and an expected eventual recovery. Nowadays it is more complex, particularly in the US dystopia, where first intervention is the well-known ‘wallet biopsy’. Someone in a palliative care ward who develops pneumonia would be treated according to life expectation, some palliative people lasting months, even years, and in the USA it depends on MONEY, ie insurance cover. Apparently at Maimonides Hospital in Brooklyn, it now depends on religion, too.

DunGroanin
DunGroanin
Apr 9, 2020 9:37 PM

???????????????????????????????

DunGroanin
DunGroanin
Apr 9, 2020 9:33 PM

On lock down still eh?

Have a meeting and agreed to implement the new policy without explanation? No trial , no jury?

Just the sentence without charge or defence!

Bravo Magistrate Baraisters, BRAVO!

https://www.craigmurray.org.uk/archives/2020/04/singalongavanessa/

RobG
RobG
Apr 9, 2020 11:32 PM
Reply to  DunGroanin

I’m sorry DunGroanin, because whilst I’m a supporter of Julian and have every sympathy for him, we are now all in the same situation, even though many people don’t seem to have realised this yet.

DunGroanin
DunGroanin
Apr 10, 2020 8:24 AM
Reply to  RobG

Yes Rob i totally agree as you would know if have been able to see my belated posts.

I wasn’t referring to Assange – except for the link. And the following.

Why an innocent person awaiting a trial – not even by jury- is being tortured and crucified in a high security hell is THE biggest news besides from Covid – the washing of hands by ALL the media including alt-news sites on the subject is the tell tale killer evidence of complicity and their conspiracy. We know them by their un-thoughts, un-words, these are their actions, by which it is evident which devilish tune they dance to…

————————

It seems we are being subjected to fight club rules.
And random emails, with links to nowhere, with no replies by the faceless & nameless, except for their numbers!

I AM NOT A NUMBER.

Martial law is underway – in places and ways most won’t see except in hindsight, ‘we were only obeying orders’ they will claim.

Still GUILTY believe it or not.

The lynch mobs are gathering on the boards – if you aren’t dragging your arses out into these streets too make the designated noises with your ‘neighbours’ – then you are judged to be a bad villager / ‘not one of us’ / in need of censure.

Bravo you Magistrates Baraisters, BRAVO!

I’ll be right here – watching and posting – not seeking escape or exile for myself alone.
Be seeing youse.

Frank Speaker
Frank Speaker
Apr 10, 2020 9:19 AM
Reply to  RobG

We’re all about to be extradited to the US on espoinage charges? No, it’s not the same at all, especially for you in south western France.

Objective
Objective
Apr 10, 2020 9:46 AM
Reply to  DunGroanin

Why is it Assange supporters (often avid socialists) are so selective, where its the liberal left with socialist values (strong state) that are begging government for greater restrictions on our freedoms.

Its simple you know why he wont be let out, hes a fucking flight risk! Should he be in prison for the crime of telling the truth NO… Should he be extradited for political “crimes” NO.. Should he be held in a high security prison Hmmm, debatable, should he be treated with dignity & respect in prison by the authorities YES… IS he NO…The real debate is should we even have prisons?

We all know if hes let out of prison he will do a runner. Good luck to him, but i fear he will never leave a prison without a coffin overcoat. But he must of known what he was risking going up against the intelligence services of the world, so hes got to accept responsibility for a large percentage of his fate. Stop being hypocrites. many of you believe in incarceration just not when its one of your own against the capitalist state.

DunGroanin
DunGroanin
Apr 10, 2020 6:00 PM
Reply to  Objective

In what way is he a flight risk?
No flights flying.
No passport.

There are plenty of actually convicted of something, who get released and others on remand who are ankle tagged – which keeps them in their agreed places.

JA didn’t leave the country did ?
Everyone knew exactly where he was in sanctuary and asylum.

He jumped bail – broke the law- he was punished for that – rightly so.

He has served his sentence- and should be legally released.

He is not violent and a threat to the public and in Broadmoor as a psychopath like Brady.

You may think that he should be treated exceptionally but he is innocent of any crime that he has been tried and found guilty of.

You may think kafkesque justice is correct and would happily suffer it yourself.

Standing by and watching such a massive injustice and political imprisonment in my country after resisting nazism is not a good look and spits on the memory and sacrifices of these who preserved justice and fair play here.

I regret you feel differently.

Cicatriz
Cicatriz
Apr 10, 2020 10:20 PM
Reply to  DunGroanin

I would suggest any flight he is on would be greater risk…

John Pretty
John Pretty
Apr 10, 2020 10:22 AM
Reply to  DunGroanin

Murray’s groupies are here, I see …

John Pretty
John Pretty
Apr 10, 2020 10:24 AM
Reply to  John Pretty

I strongly believe that Murray’s association with Julian could damage his chances of release.

DunGroanin
DunGroanin
Apr 10, 2020 6:06 PM
Reply to  John Pretty

Did the magisterium decide that. How do you know?

If you had read my o/p and replies you would know it wasn’t about JA except in passing… but keep parroting. It’s funny.

Richard Le Sarc
Richard Le Sarc
Apr 12, 2020 6:11 AM
Reply to  John Pretty

Assange NEVER had ANY chance of release. Murray is irrelevant.

DunGroanin
DunGroanin
Apr 10, 2020 6:03 PM
Reply to  John Pretty

Who’s a pretty boy, parroting here i see?

crank
crank
Apr 9, 2020 9:27 PM

On the Evil Scale (of 1 to 13) this must rank at 13:
https://www.thelastamericanvagabond.com/top-news/killer-enterprise-how-big-pharmas-most-corrupt-companies-plans-corner-covid-19-cure-market/
I wonder if the Porton Down element would eventually connect to Kelly? He knew some bad shit.
I wonder how Galloway’s film is coming along ? Actually I don’t give a fuck anymore.

Daniel Spaniel
Daniel Spaniel
Apr 10, 2020 12:20 AM
Reply to  crank

GG seems to have lost it bigtime.

Objective
Objective
Apr 10, 2020 9:51 AM
Reply to  Daniel Spaniel

Galloway is becoming a dictator with his new found “workers party” & communist deputy leader. I used to watch his you tube show every Sunday but the last few weeks his egomania is becoming ever more authoritarian. Its like watching a clone of Hitler grooming his followers with his loud mouthed rants against capitalism & liberty. Galloway is fast becoming a national socialist and we know how that ended for Adolf!

crank
crank
Apr 11, 2020 9:33 AM
Reply to  Objective

He certainly likes attention that is for sure. I stopped paying attention to him after noticing that over half his tweets featured photographs of…George Galloway.
It was like a version of the infamous ‘cult of personality’ regimes we have seen the world over.

crispy
crispy
Apr 11, 2020 7:24 PM
Reply to  Objective

What do you expect from someone who has a show on kremlin propaganda RT, this is what Putin wants for Europe,thats why i challenge kremlin propaganda unfortunately to many people think kremlin propaganda is good because it gives a voice to so called anti imperialist

John Pretty
John Pretty
Apr 9, 2020 8:02 PM

lol, it’s 8pm in the UK and the sheep are setting off fireworks!

John Pretty
John Pretty
Apr 9, 2020 8:06 PM
Reply to  John Pretty

By the way, I have been reading the offg twitter timeline and I have to say that I am proud to be a “rabid libertarian”.

John Pretty
John Pretty
Apr 9, 2020 8:33 PM
Reply to  John Pretty

lol, PPS, I have been feeling slightly ashamed of myself for criticising those setting off fireworks – I know they mean well, but they’re just so sold on this. It’s so tiresome.

Cicatriz
Cicatriz
Apr 9, 2020 8:36 PM
Reply to  John Pretty

I wonder if a sufficiently stirring propaganda campaign will have them appluading the banks?

“If we don’t have bail-ins, you’ll all die”

George Mc
George Mc
Apr 9, 2020 8:39 PM
Reply to  John Pretty

A friend asked me if I was joining in “the clap” tonight. I had no idea there was another one. And to be honest I don’t much care. Are we going to do a clap for every service now? Is this clap supposed to make them feel better when their systems are collapsing from too many people catching the cold? Does anyone remember the other meaning of “clap”?

Matt UK
Matt UK
Apr 9, 2020 9:14 PM
Reply to  George Mc

I did think it was harsh wishing a nasty sti on the nhs workers 😂

Richard Le Sarc
Richard Le Sarc
Apr 10, 2020 12:28 AM
Reply to  Matt UK

It’s part of the sneer, like a Bullingdon Boyo burning money in front of the homeless. Tories despise nurses, believe me.

Germs Bond
Germs Bond
Apr 9, 2020 11:25 PM
Reply to  John Pretty

where did the sheep get fireworks?

Daniel Spaniel
Daniel Spaniel
Apr 10, 2020 12:22 AM
Reply to  Germs Bond

They seem somewhat misplaced!

Objective
Objective
Apr 10, 2020 9:55 AM
Reply to  John Pretty

If only they knew how corporate the NHS is & how much of it has already been privatized. The hypocrisy of the Tories to come up with the mantra SAVE the NHS… CUNTS (sorry cant help myself, when ever i think about it, i start to steam)

Richard Le Sarc
Richard Le Sarc
Apr 12, 2020 6:12 AM
Reply to  John Pretty

That’s a tautology, or redundancy.

jack(jm)
jack(jm)
Apr 9, 2020 8:43 PM
Reply to  John Pretty

The fools are cheering their own imprisonment, how they must be laughing at us.

jay
jay
Apr 9, 2020 9:14 PM
Reply to  John Pretty

Yeah, more clapping here in Scotland.
Known idiots setting off fireworks, an excuse for a whizz bang.

binra
binra
Apr 9, 2020 11:25 PM
Reply to  John Pretty

Not long ago Spain’s king gave a public address to a large number of the population making a potbash of cacaphony to indicate they were not listening.

While my demeanour is respectful to others it is not signalling subscription and support for the collective mind-meld with covid19 and the media blitzkrieg.

Overtly signifying non support for the current regime in a way that respects others freedom of choice feels like some kind of witness. I let my imagination wander in and out here.
But I extend the invitation to cone up with something.

RobG
RobG
Apr 9, 2020 7:53 PM

Bojo has just come out of intensive care; now there’s a surprise.

On the other side of the Atlantic I’m amazed at how many people are still taking the Presidential election seriously.

There won’t be another election, because the US economy is collapsing faster than a house of cards and very shortly you’ll be looking at 30% to 40% unemployment and total anarchy will ensue.

Unfortunately this might mean another world war (don’t forget to hate those darn Russkies and Chinks for your predicament), because the psychopaths who rule us always use war as their last card.

clickkid
clickkid
Apr 9, 2020 8:16 PM
Reply to  RobG

I’m expecting civil war in the US rather than World War.

Frank
Frank
Apr 9, 2020 8:43 PM
Reply to  clickkid

Civil war in the US?
We can but hope.

RobG
RobG
Apr 9, 2020 9:42 PM
Reply to  clickkid

I sincerely hope there is no violence.

To state the old cliche, we are the many and they are the few.

It’s a bit like the guy behind the curtain in the Wizard Of Oz movie.

Cicatriz
Cicatriz
Apr 9, 2020 8:38 PM
Reply to  RobG

As Gerald Celente often states: “when all else fails, they take you to war.”

clickkid
clickkid
Apr 9, 2020 9:21 PM
Reply to  Cicatriz

Gerald Celente also often states: “when people have nothing left to lose, they lose it.”

Cicatriz
Cicatriz
Apr 9, 2020 9:38 PM
Reply to  clickkid

He has a lot of insightful one liners. His constant referring to the New York Times as the “toilet paper of record,” is quite apt for the current times.

clickkid
clickkid
Apr 9, 2020 10:12 PM
Reply to  Cicatriz

Yeah ..that’s a good’n.

I like the Italian Bronx style ….

The top Investment bankers are the “White Shoe Boys”

George Mc
George Mc
Apr 9, 2020 8:42 PM
Reply to  RobG

Bojo has just come out of intensive care

Nah he didn’t just come out of intensive care. The doctors warned him to stay in but he gritted his teeth and said, “Now look – you slackers! I’ve got a jolly country to run! Don’t stop me!” as he ripped off his life support system and struggled magnificently to the stage!

Matt UK
Matt UK
Apr 9, 2020 9:15 PM
Reply to  George Mc

😂👍

RobG
RobG
Apr 9, 2020 9:51 PM
Reply to  George Mc

This Easter weekend looks like it will be a highwater mark in all this, and particularly so here in France.

John ErvIn
John ErvIn
Apr 9, 2020 10:48 PM
Reply to  George Mc

Yeah, like when Reagan stumbled into Bethesda Hospital after his 1981 (alleged) Hinckley shooting, right out of a ’40s b&w B movie, and collapsed, only to have doctor’s say a hollow-point bullet had penetrated to within A QUARTER INCH of his HEART.

Whew! That was close. And the miracle worker near-martytr President leapt from his gurney not much later ~ from “descent from the Cross” to “Resurrection” ~ a triptych tableau ~ and back to work he goes, to run the Free World from the Big Round Room!

Thespian that he was, he set the tone for all these more “stagey” events.

He must have seen the same script that Teddy Roosevelt had, when he got shot in the chest and simply walked it off to his next stop.

We are so lucky to have such tough guys running our world.

John Hinckley, Jr., the mind-controlled bot who fired that ’81 shot, is the son of John Hinckley, Sr. head of World Vision, who had employed Mark David Chapman as a security guard at Fort Chaffee, Arkansas ~~ and who, just weeks before the Reagan “shooting”, had assassinated John Lennon, December 8 1980.

Coincidence or Conspiracy? “We report, you decide.”

Richard Le Sarc
Richard Le Sarc
Apr 10, 2020 12:32 AM
Reply to  John ErvIn

I love a good coincidence theory.

Richard Le Sarc
Richard Le Sarc
Apr 10, 2020 12:30 AM
Reply to  George Mc

I’d replace ‘magnificently’ with ‘manfully’.

Steve Church
Steve Church
Apr 9, 2020 10:12 PM
Reply to  RobG

Easy, Rob. There’ll be an election, just like so many before. Meaningless.

crispy
crispy
Apr 9, 2020 7:02 PM

More propaganda regurgitation,this time from Strategic Culture,another kremlin orientated outfit

Ehret,also likes to get his ‘ message’ out on Fort Russ,also pro kremlin

Oh,incidentally who pays for Off- Guardian,just asking?????

Sam - Admin2
Admin
Sam - Admin2
Apr 9, 2020 7:57 PM
Reply to  crispy

I’m sure you’ve asked this before, Crispy, and been answered. Our readers fund Off Guardian. Just to be clear – our READERS fund Off-Guardian. I am not rolling on piles of Kremlin cash as I write this. We are not bankrolled by the fossil-fuel industry or big pharma or some shadowy illuminati. Our readers fund Off-Guardian via our paypal, our patrion and our Bitcoin wallet. 😀 Admin2

crispy
crispy
Apr 9, 2020 9:00 PM
Reply to  Sam - Admin2

….so you’re not ‘ skint’????

Loverat
Loverat
Apr 9, 2020 9:49 PM
Reply to  Sam - Admin2

Crispy

It is a mystery.

Admin 1 and Admin 2 are a clever combination. I have studied their shift patterns and posts here for some time.

Kit and Catte are the brains behind the operation. I suspect their paypal and Bitcoin wallet facility only cover the basic expenses – their obsession with cats.

The rest of the funding , is anyone’s guess.

crispy
crispy
Apr 9, 2020 10:17 PM
Reply to  Loverat

They’re certainly a clever combination of putting old crispy down the memory hole,they’ve been doing it for ages

Just as well I’m not a sensitive type otherwise i might take umbrage

Sam - Admin2
Admin
Sam - Admin2
Apr 9, 2020 11:07 PM
Reply to  crispy

Crispy, the previous three comments of yours I ‘memory-holed’ were such masterworks as:

I do the kind of job which tells you to go fuck yerself,cunt!

and

Go fuck yerself cunt

and

Why don’t you try North Korea you dim cunt bag

I’ll remind you of our comment policy:
BE POLITE. We understand debates get heated and we accept a certain degree of colourful language can creep in, but empty ad hom or extreme personal abuse is strongly discouraged and may be removed when it is particularly gratuitous.

I warned you I’d be removing more of these. So, please quit whining.

crispy
crispy
Apr 9, 2020 11:21 PM
Reply to  Sam - Admin2

I’ve been very polite tonight,not used the C word once,followed your sage advice,just like a good little chap

But what you don’t understand is none of it’s personal,just a bit of banter,that’s all,i think Australian cricketers call it ‘ sledging ‘

You’re to sensitive,you wouldn’t last five seconds in the army!

Sam - Admin2
Admin
Sam - Admin2
Apr 9, 2020 11:41 PM
Reply to  crispy

And I appreciate that, I do. Thank you for toning it down. You may recall, I have published your rude comments before when they’ve been directed at me 😉 so I’m not just catering to my sensibilities here. ‘Bants’ is all very well, but please reciprocate, and have a thick-enough skin not to cry foul when your comments don’t all make it through. Thanks. Admin2

crispy
crispy
Apr 9, 2020 11:49 PM
Reply to  Sam - Admin2

Thicker than rhino skin me, so you’d really have to go some to upset me

Besides i always like to get that little memory hole gambit going as it seems to touch a bit of a raw nerve

Personally and I’m been very frank now, I’d have banned crispy an age ago,yes, yes i know you don’t do that,but can’t you make an exception,just once?

Sam - Admin2
Admin
Sam - Admin2
Apr 10, 2020 12:08 AM
Reply to  crispy

Well, compliments come in all shapes and sizes, as they say, and I think that was actually the nicest compliment you could give us, Crispy. Have a nice night. A2

paul
paul
Apr 9, 2020 10:35 PM
Reply to  Loverat

These are common aliases used by only our most experienced agents.

paul
paul
Apr 9, 2020 10:36 PM
Reply to  paul

The Kit Kat Rowntree Group is our most important front organisation.

crispy
crispy
Apr 9, 2020 10:41 PM
Reply to  Loverat

this bloke called Kit, who writes stuff for this site,had his article about ” covid 19 death figures, a substantial over-estimate”,published on one of those pro kremlin propaganda sites I’ve mentioned

Infact he’s had his work published on the fanatical site called Russia Insider,a very unpleasant place full to the brim with Nazi goose stepping types,i suppose thats just another example of what Louis Proyect calls Red- Brown coalition at work!

anyway getting back to our man’ Kit’,Funny thing is right at the end of his article theres a reference to the image,the same image as on the Off Guardian article,which states that the image is from The Spectator,and then throws down the gauntlet for them,The Spectator,to take legal action,but not to bother as they have no money,I’m assuming it was Mr Knightly who added that? But who knows

All a bit attention seeking if you ask me,but Mod 2 has informed me me that Off Guardian is solvent,so who knows perhaps The Spectator may indeed take up the challenge?

Maybe Off Guardian readers have deep pockets?

I understand legal action can be very expensive

Loverat
Loverat
Apr 9, 2020 11:41 PM
Reply to  crispy

Come on crispy

What legal action?

For me Off G are about the most moderate, non political site there is during these dark times.

Thats why ordinary folk donate. And take it from me, no chance on earth anyone could rightfully sue for anything they’ve written or republished.

crispy
crispy
Apr 9, 2020 11:45 PM
Reply to  Loverat

Its not me you should ask

Go to the pro kremlin website called Fort Russ, you’ll find the off guardian article written by Knightly there

Maybe someone on that site wrote that last line?

But it is the kind of thing that can in the highly litigious UK get you into the brown stuff

Sam - Admin2
Admin
Sam - Admin2
Apr 9, 2020 11:59 PM
Reply to  crispy

Oh come off it!! A simple view of the original piece here (currently still on the front page of Off-g) reveals that Kit did not mention anything about the spectator photograph or how ‘broke’ Off-G is!! You are reaching here. Off-g has no control over who republishes our material and no association whatsoever with the site you mention. I stated elsewhere we received funding from our readers. I informed you of nothing about how solvent or insolvent we are.

I honestly don’t know what poor Off-g has ever done to you, Crispy, to warrant such deep-rooted suspicion on your part! Most upsetting (this is banter).

crispy
crispy
Apr 10, 2020 12:04 AM
Reply to  Sam - Admin2

Sorry i was just reversing out,but go and check for yourself

You really should take more care of who gets hold of your stuff,if you have a problem talk to Fort Russ!

Because someone has put that little line right at the bottom,check it

Now good 🌙

Sam - Admin2
Admin
Sam - Admin2
Apr 10, 2020 12:10 AM
Reply to  crispy

I did check. Wasn’t us. They should probably make that clearer. Thanks for flagging it up.

crispy
crispy
Apr 10, 2020 12:10 AM
Reply to  Sam - Admin2

….one last thing,ffs i sound like Columbo, RT International got £200 grand fine for talking BS

better get onto Fort Russ and get things changed before The Spectator sees👀 it!

paul
paul
Apr 10, 2020 3:03 AM
Reply to  crispy

Glad you’re reading Russia Insider.
You might learn something.

crispy
crispy
Apr 10, 2020 8:28 AM
Reply to  paul

I’ve learnt they’re a bunch of neo Nazi scum, incidentally they banned me,not for pointing out their pro Nazi rantings, and hatred against jews, but for swearing,you couldn’t make it up could ya

Even RT International had to bin them,including Peter Lavelle, who’d gone into business with Charles Bauseman, the creator of said site

How embarrassing

Freem
Freem
Apr 11, 2020 9:56 PM
Reply to  crispy

as an analyst I must point out it takes work to put together an article like this. bravo cat duo or whoever yous are.

crispy, you’re trolling is delaying readers from getting to the important stuff. so please get out of the way (insults are a waste of time).

clickkid
clickkid
Apr 9, 2020 11:33 PM
Reply to  Loverat

” I have studied their shift patterns ”

You have obviously put a great deal of effort into this.

Sophie - Admin1
Admin
Sophie - Admin1
Apr 10, 2020 1:34 AM
Reply to  Loverat

As we say at the bottom of every article, we have no other funding whatsoever beside individual reader donations through Patreon, PayPal and Bitcoin, which has indeed always barely covered our expenses. We are incredibly grateful for every penny of it though. Without it we would not be able to function. We are asked to take advertising and sponsored content, but we don’t want to go that route.

Oh and we receive no remuneration for articles being published elsewhere. We have an open policy and encourage other outlets to use our work, and all we ask in return is a credit to the original.

crispy
crispy
Apr 10, 2020 8:48 AM

Which obviously leaves you wide open to the kind of criticism,and very valid criticism,which has been levelled against you by people such as Louis Proyect

I’m sorry to say this but you people at Off Guardian do yourself no favours by allowing your work to be published on sites like Russia Insider,its a typical rabidly anti-Semitic site with a comments section full to the brim with Nazi head bangers who’d just love another go at the holocaust

It’s not good enough that you don’t mind who publishes this stuff,you should,otherwise all you do is become part of that Red-Brown coalition of angry and frankly ugly people who wont make the world a better place,no you’ll just accelerate it into full blown confrontation

Off Guardian there is no credit being associated with websites like Russia Insider,Fort Russ,or anyone else like them

Sam - Admin2
Admin
Sam - Admin2
Apr 10, 2020 11:50 AM
Reply to  crispy

Stop concern-trolling.

crispy
crispy
Apr 10, 2020 1:25 PM
Reply to  Sam - Admin2

Not trolling just pointing out some facts,obviously you’re sensitive to this sort of truthful statement,not my problem

I judge people by the company they keep,you lot keep bad company,but then i know you don’t actually care

Sam - Admin2
Admin
Sam - Admin2
Apr 10, 2020 1:44 PM
Reply to  crispy

And you’ve made that point, multiple times, and I checked out the link, and I thanked you for flagging it up, and I’ve forwarded it to the relevant people. You have openly admitted to probing, troll-like behaviour. Please inform me, in as many words as you deem necessary, where this conversation ought to go now?

crispy
crispy
Apr 10, 2020 2:29 PM
Reply to  Sam - Admin2

Well I’m off to read Louis Proyect,he’s a bit more sensible and understands the toxic nature of Red-Brown propaganda,which unfortunately you people at Off Guardian have become a part of

paul
paul
Apr 9, 2020 10:33 PM
Reply to  Sam - Admin2

Don’t worry, tovarish, the roubles are in the post.
Keep infiltrating your decadent society.
Vladimir Vladimirovich will contact you shortly with further instructions.

crispy
crispy
Apr 9, 2020 11:40 PM
Reply to  paul

…i doubt it,poor old rubber chops Putler has gone AWOL, he’s done one, and left the mayor of Moscow to deal with the virus,now thats wha i call leadership! 😉

not that you’d know any of this if you indulge yourself with kremlin premier propaganda channel,RT international,which incidentally doesn’t seem to be beemed live from its Moscow studios,would that be because Moscow is in lock down 😁

Anyway it seems the Russkies are about to have a bit of a torrid time with the dreaded virus,Oops nearly forgot myself then,yup corrected that, Russia doesn’t have a problem with it,only the west,i know this because RT International told me 😂😂😂😂

paul
paul
Apr 10, 2020 3:10 AM
Reply to  crispy

Old Vlad seems to be muscling in and playing with everybody else’s train set, worrying himself silly over the dreaded virus, wandering around ICU wards complete with spacesuit, rather than going AWOL. Surprised he hasn’t just fled to one of his billion dollar mansions we hear so much about in the Economist.

crispy
crispy
Apr 10, 2020 8:52 AM
Reply to  paul

How come he’s passed the covid responsibility to the mayor of Moscow then?

paul
paul
Apr 10, 2020 3:14 PM
Reply to  crispy

Probably because he has to take responsibility for all 6.5 million square miles of the country, not just the 13 million in Moscow. The other 130 million outside Moscow might have a few worries about CV as well.

He really should try harder to live up to his Guardian cartoon villain role.

crispy
crispy
Apr 10, 2020 12:00 AM
Reply to  Sam - Admin2

Well it’s been fun Admin 2, Admin 2 sounds a bit Orwellian that, but i feel like I’ve driven past and actually got stuck in the Off Guardian cul-de- sack, so I’m gonna bug out

See you again as a I’ll probably drive by soon,be good and don’t forget social distance😷

milosevic
milosevic
Apr 10, 2020 5:46 AM
Reply to  crispy

as the saying goes, don’t let the door hit you in the ass, on your way out.

John ErvIn
John ErvIn
Apr 10, 2020 7:55 AM
Reply to  milosevic

Shouldn’t there be a comma after the second “the”?

crispy
crispy
Apr 10, 2020 9:50 AM
Reply to  crispy

So why did that comment get 6 down thumbs thingy?

Here i am being polite,and using that little picture thing with face mask to make the point of keeping yourselves safe and thats the response

Crispy shakes his head in disbelief

Mike Ellwood
Mike Ellwood
Apr 10, 2020 12:22 PM
Reply to  crispy

You still here? Thought you were leaving.

jay
jay
Apr 9, 2020 9:22 PM
Reply to  crispy

Somewhat ironic that your comment is allowed to stand, revealing the dark secrets of offg that you have you discovered with you wit and intelligence, then isn’t it?
The mods can’t be on their jobs, oh wait a moment, there is admin giving you an answer…
I don’t see this happening anywhere in the non-kremlin funded main stream rubbish.
Funny that eh?
Funny how that is the first ‘accusation’ of fools, shills and trolls even although is getting worn threadbare…What are you, a little of each perhaps.

crispy
crispy
Apr 9, 2020 9:52 PM
Reply to  jay

….comment is free!

….apparently, but then i have to be very careful,otherwise you wont be able to enjoy my full repertoire

Hugs and kisses fro m crispy 💋💋

crispy
crispy
Apr 9, 2020 10:44 PM
Reply to  crispy

Blimey someone has actually given me the thumbs up!

So there are sane people who also understand BS kremlin propaganda

crispy
crispy
Apr 9, 2020 10:56 PM
Reply to  crispy

….and 1 down thumbs thingy for the Mod, not guilty

crispy
crispy
Apr 9, 2020 11:53 PM
Reply to  crispy

…blimey and someone has given poor old crispy the thumbs down!

I bet i must have the most thumbs down thingies by now

Gold medal for unpopularity goes to crispy

Grafter
Grafter
Apr 10, 2020 1:41 AM
Reply to  crispy

Admin please get rid of this Crispy he writes some tedious and boring shite.

crispy
crispy
Apr 10, 2020 8:50 AM
Reply to  Grafter

Language!

Daniel Spaniel
Daniel Spaniel
Apr 12, 2020 12:27 AM
Reply to  crispy

Timothy!

Objective
Objective
Apr 10, 2020 10:00 AM
Reply to  Grafter

Free speech dude! Like it or not s/he should have the right to be an irritating pain the bum & say shite you don’t like.

Anyways s/he is partly right, there’s not a government on this earth that doesn’t sell its own propaganda, Russia is no better or worse than many.

jack(jim)
jack(jim)
Apr 9, 2020 6:35 PM

It is very true that the biggest Empire in history, the USA, doesn’t even exist for much of our media in the UK, it is like some invisible passive benign force that they hardly every refer to and certainly never attribute, ambition, goals or aims to, It is invisible, like god or the sky.

For those ‘alternative’ voices, that claim they are blowing the whistle on our corrupt system, to miss the 50 elephant’s in the room, that is the American Empire is no accident. Like Hitler they spout on about this stupid international conspiracy called the New World Order, reminiscent of Hitler’s own rantings against the jewish conspiracy, which they claim is made up of of international businessmen & bankers who are trying to takeover the world. This plot is essentially antisemitic in origins but they still use it to distract from the existence of the Empire, but by repeating it they reveal their own true loyalties and roots in the white supremacist American religious far-right.

Whilst it is true that the Empire includes the oligarchs and mega Corporations in it’s ranks, they are not above the military industrial complex, they are part of it, and they share a commitment to US national success over the rest of the world. They are fighting for themselves and for their club of American interests, a trough from which they all drink as we saw recently.

At a time when the US spends vast amounts of money on it’s military security state, and when it employs unknown hundreds of thousands of people in the US and all over the world, many of whom are no doubt self funding, through projects like the Iran-Contra affair, through crime, and when they are wrecking elections, rigging business deals, and directing the military and government policy of hundreds of ‘independent states’, the likes of David Icke will still point to some fictional grouping of bankers and refuses to acknowledge the Empires, power, organisation and even it’s existence.

As evidence, I see today David Icke was given the help of the US tech giants to promote his work. Youtube removed one of his talks, which youtube had promoted to millions of people on the day of it’s release, I know because it ended up on my list of videos, only to deleted from the site a few hours later, to give him street credibility and attention.

Don’t give these fake opposition any chance to convince you it is all the bankers, because if they are pointing in any other direction than towards the USA’s military industrial complex, then you are part of the problem not the solution. Because if you are not pointing at it, then they are owned by it.

ZigZagWanderer
ZigZagWanderer
Apr 10, 2020 12:08 AM
Reply to  jack(jim)

” the likes of David Icke will still point to some fictional grouping of bankers and refuses to acknowledge the Empires power , organisation and even it’s existence .”

It took me about ten seconds on Mr. Ickes website to find all this content where he discusses American Empire .

You need to get out more ……..

HONEST GOVERNMENT AD – JULIAN ASSANGE / AMERICAN EMPIRE
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THE COLLAPSE OF THE AMERICAN EMPIRE? – CHRIS HEDGES
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AMERICAN EMPIRE: AN ACT OF COLLECTIVE MADNESS (2016)
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THE ISLAMIC STATE AS ‘PLACE-SETTER’ FOR THE AMERICAN EMPIRE. ISIS IS THE PRODUCT OF THE US MILITARY-INTELLIGENCE COMPLEX
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2 September 2017
THE AMERICAN MILITARY EMPIRE: IS TRUMP ITS WOULD-BE EMPEROR?
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22 July 2017
PENTAGON STUDY DECLARES AMERICAN EMPIRE IS ‘COLLAPSING’
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THE AMERICAN EMPIRE IS NOW EFFECTIVELY BEING RUN BY GENERALS
The American Empire with Allan Nairn
29 January 2017
THE AMERICAN EMPIRE WITH ALLAN NAIRN
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‘FAKE NEWS’? CIA DIRECTOR ADMITTED TO US SENATE ~ 400 AGENTS DICTATE FAKE NEWS TO MANIPULATE AMERICANS FOR ROGUE STATE…
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AFTER KEYSTONE XL: TRANSCANADA BUILDING NORTH AMERICAN FRACKED GAS PIPELINE EMPIRE
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THE AMERICAN EMPIRE IS A THREAT TO EVERY NATION’S SECURITY
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‘AMERICAN SNIPER’: HUMANIZING AND GLORIFYING A MASS MURDERER FOR THE EMPIRE
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4 March 2014
WHAT’S THE ROLE OF AMERICAN EMPIRE IN THE NEW WORLD ORDER?
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THE RUSSIAN BEAR STEPS IN AS THE AMERICAN EMPIRE UNRAVELS IN THE MIDDLE EAST
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OLIVER STONE: ‘I FEEL LIKE A DISSIDENT AGAINST THE AMERICAN EMPIRE’
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COULD 9/11 TRUTH TOPPLE THE AMERICAN EMPIRE?
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NO AUSTERITY FOR THE AMERICAN EMPIRE: OBAMA PROVIDING MASSIVE STIMULUS FOR HIS BASE-BUILDING SPREE
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CHRIS HEDGES ‘BRACE YOURSELF! THE AMERICAN EMPIRE IS OVER & THE DESCENT IS GOING TO BE HORRIFYING!’
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jack(jik)
jack(jik)
Apr 10, 2020 10:58 AM
Reply to  ZigZagWanderer

But you ignore his entire narrative and everything he says about the reason for our problems, he points in another direction, not towards the American Empire as the guilty party……..Why are you pretending its otherwise ?

ZigZagWanderer
ZigZagWanderer
Apr 10, 2020 11:20 AM
Reply to  jack(jik)

I’m not pretending anything.

You stated that Mr. Icke refuses to acknowledge even the very existence of American Empire which is a clearly a ridiculous and easily proven lie.

So I spent less than a minute to prove , beyond any doubt , that you are pushing malicious disinformation based on your own unhinged prejudices.

crispy
crispy
Apr 10, 2020 11:33 AM
Reply to  ZigZagWanderer

Ah,David Icke, the chosen one,the son of god!

I remember when he used to present a BBC sports programme,then went completely bonkers,sat in a BBC studio in the most ghastly plastic track suit and told the world he w as the second coming

which in my book is what ‘ unhinged ‘ looks like

jack(jim)
jack(jim)
Apr 10, 2020 5:25 PM
Reply to  ZigZagWanderer

There are no comparable forces to those in the USA that can control the media, control governments and control other governments overseas, they do not exists.

And all these agencies in the US have loyalty to the greater American project and are direct by the USA’s political and economic elite, including the splinter rogue elements who will claim to be working in the interests of the USA. At no point does Icke point to that machine and say that they are behind all the trends he is complaining about, when they so clearly are.

It looks like I am shattering some some dreams here and I’m sorry for that, but until he comes out and points directly at the CIA,NSA and the USA’s structures and blames them and American interests, for the majority of operations that we are being subjected to, then the man is not telling the truth.

I should add that Alex Jones and David Icke, I believe are both deep state agents who reveal a tremendous amount about the organization they work for, because that is their USP. So take the gems these guys offer, but don’t be fooled by their narrative, it’s the state protecting itself from accusation by controlling the popular but extremist opposition.

Freem
Freem
Apr 11, 2020 10:06 PM
Reply to  jack(jim)

Sorry but the biggest empire in history was the Mongols under Ghenghis Khan. And also, at any point in history, there are always a few empires on the globe…British, Byzantium, Catholic Church, Spanish, Romans, Greeks, Persians, Phoenicians…

Gary Weglarz
Gary Weglarz
Apr 9, 2020 5:34 PM

The article linked below illuminates what remains hidden or obscured amid the “pandemic” propaganda. Who would ever imagine that our Western elites would ever lie to us about matters of life and death? I’m completely stunned!

“British Parliament Confirms: Libya War was Based on Lies” –

http://global-politics.eu/british-parliament-confirms-libya-war-based-lies-turned-nation-shit-show-spread-terrorism/?fbclid=IwAR2mLETeZ-fUAU-cDUNCDavMVaj1lvPIyJSaGvp89ITOsR8mHkStOkM7SSE

This damning article from “The Grayzone” discussing “Human Right’s Watch” as simply a propaganda arm of Western imperialism is also well worth reading:

https://thegrayzone.com/2020/04/08/billionaire-human-rights-watch-sanctions-nicaragua-venezuela/

Richard Le Sarc
Richard Le Sarc
Apr 10, 2020 12:36 AM
Reply to  Gary Weglarz

Human Rights Watch is the New York Zionist version of Amnesty International, another sewer of hypocrisy and Imperial agit-prop.

Charlotte Russe
Charlotte Russe
Apr 9, 2020 5:23 PM

What I find particularly offensive is how the corporate state-run mainstream media news constantly compares the “panic plandemic” to the calamities of the 1930’s and the dire need for FDR-style leadership. In fact, it’s absolutely nauseating that the same “commentator creeps” who since 2016 described Bernie’s platform as being socialist or in some cases communist are now embracing FDR and the New Deal. If FDR, were alive today he would never be elected president. Franklin Delano Roosevelt, would be considered too far to the Left. And if he managed to get elected, none of his “New Deal Programs” would ever get to first base, especially with a “$250 million golden girl” like Nancy Pelosi running Congress.

The cheerleaders of every needless military intervention, who have discredited every attempt at genuine social reforms are now brazenly embracing FDR and his new deal. If this schizoid collection of sociopaths controlling the airwaves and the official narrative weren’t so dangerous they’d be laughable.

EVERY YEAR INFLUENZA AND PNEUMONIA RANK AS AMONG THE MOST DEADLY ILLNESSES IN THE UNITED STATES.

Having said that, it’s becoming more evident each day the “panic plandemic” is just a massive scale psyops operation. I’m not saying the coronavirus does not exist, of course it does. But what I am saying, is that when all is said and done we’ll see that the mortality rates from COVID-19 will not be as high as the 80,000 deaths which occurred in the US during the 2018 flu season.

Furthermore, COVID-19 is not that “special during.” During every flu season blacks have a higher rate
of mortality: “Racial disparities in deaths from the flu and pneumonia come about as a result of a variety of factors. People of color tend to be poorer, and thus are more likely to lack sufficient access to effective medical care.”

And just like any other flu season Older adults are most at risk from influenza and pneumonia. “The older people are, the more likely they are to die from these illnesses.”

On the basis of the above data, it’s only logical to conclude the “hysteria” surrounding COVID-19 is “manufactured” to serve the interests of several diverse groups: the hysteria gave justification to once again transfer trillions to bailout the big banks and Wall Street; it gave the pretext to heighten authoritarian control over the world’s population; it gave additional powers to money-crazed pharmaceutical companies and ancillary organizations associated with “vaccine happy” Bill Gates; it’s giving free reign to the intelligence agencies to use “COVID-19 testing” as a pretext to institute fierce legalized “citizen tracking” of day-to-day activities; and most importantly COVID-19 has shown power hungry freaks that panic-ridden populations capitulate easily into a docile, weak and easily manipulated mass of nothings…

With this in mind, I would not compare the Orangeman to the US President described in “Seven Days in May,” as cited by Erhet in his article: “Standing on the Precipice of Martial Law”– not yet anyway. Although, it should be noted, that the intelligence agencies are working hard at creating a discernible schism between the Executive Office and the Pentagon. But if the truth be told, Trump is truly not a threat to the status quo. If Trump, was a danger to the existing powers there’s many a way, other than a JFK-style bullet to dispose of the buffoon. So obviously, Trump is considered a useful distraction, allowing for business as usual. In this regard, Trump is president because he satisfies the needs of the military/security/surveillance/corporate state.

BOMB THEM BACK INTO THE STONE AGE

As a point of information, for decades there’s been various cabals of fanatical nutcases eager to destroy humanity. In the 1960’s, Air force General Curtis LeMay wanted to nuke Russia. He was the bizzaro General who said: “Bomb them back into the Stone Age,” as a way to defeat North Vietnam during the Vietnam War.

It also should be mentioned, that in the 1960’s U.S. nuclear war plans called for the destruction of the Soviet Union and China as “viable societies.” “The document in question pertains to the Single Integrated Operational Plan, (SIOP) which governs the numerous war plans and their associated options that govern how America would fight a nuclear war. In June 1964, senior military leaders (including Air Force Chief of Staff LeMay) were sent a staff review of the current SIOP.”

That explains, why the US Government as well as the the Soviet Union built elaborate underground bunkers.

Garrett Graff the author of: “Raven Rock: The Story of the U.S. Government’s Secret Plan to Save Itself–While the Rest of Us Die” describes in detail many of the intricate US subterranean facilities.

“The Raven Rock complex built near Camp David is sometimes nicknamed the “Underground Pentagon.” This name succinctly summarizes the facility’s purpose: if the Pentagon in Arlington, Virginia, were ever destroyed, the Department of Defense would attempt to regroup at the Raven Rock Military Command (RRMC.) In essence, Battle Staff and high-ranking officials in the U.S. government would head to Raven Rock as soon as an attack was confirmed.”

Raven Rock or shall I say “craven rock” was created between 1951 and 1953 by blasting into the side of a greenstone mountain. The mountain, in addition to a fortified bunker, would “supposedly” provide protection from nuclear blasts.

“Raven Rock contains multiple power plants, multiple water reservoirs, an uninterrupted power supply, independent water sources, a helipad, and a fire department, in addition to the aforementioned rooms. It is essentially a small city. Once its blast doors close, over 3,000 U.S. government officials could survive there for weeks, if not months.”

Raven Rock, is just one of numerous massive bunkers: Peter’s Mountain in the Appalachians is designated for the intelligence community. It’s a department-store-sized bunker, capable of housing several hundred people. The intelligence agencies relocate there in the event of an attack on Washington. There’s Mount Weather in Bluemont VA. This is designated for the civilian government. It is designed to hold the civilian leadership of the US government, including the President, the Supreme Court, Cabinet officials, and some senior congressional leaders. It was actually expanded under JFK’s administration to include sewage treatment plans, reservoirs for drinking water and even its own fire and police departments. Remember these are all underground. NORAD in the Cheyenne Mountains is also capable of holding reservoirs for water and fuel. There is even an underground lake, which requires rowboats to patrol. And of course, there’s a smaller bunker under the White House where “tax dollar heart recipient Cheney” slinked into with a bunch of other ghouls while the World Trade Center was demolished.

So while the US population is sheltering in place the sociopaths responsible for the holocaust will quickly
depart to their secret caves. Don’t despair, there’s a slew of fancy schmancy bunkers waiting for the super-wealthy with all the bells and whistles. These psychopaths are convinced they’ll survive a worldwide nuclear holocaust by fleeing underground. In actuality, they’re building grandiose coffins, in the same way pharaohs thousands of
years ago built an elaborate sphinx as a monument to their own death.

Gary Weglarz
Gary Weglarz
Apr 9, 2020 5:38 PM

(“These psychopaths are convinced they’ll survive a worldwide nuclear holocaust by fleeing underground. In actuality, they’re building grandiose coffins, in the same way pharaohs thousands of years ago built an elaborate sphinx as a monument to their own death.”)

– nice observation Charlotte.

Charlotte Russe
Charlotte Russe
Apr 9, 2020 5:43 PM
Reply to  Gary Weglarz

Thanks–you might find this video interesting:

jay
jay
Apr 9, 2020 6:23 PM

And the kings of the earth, the great men, the rich men, the commanders, the mighty men, every slave and every free man, hid themselves in the caves and in the rocks of the mountains, and said to the mountains and rocks, “Fall on us and hide us from the face of Him who sits on the throne and from the wrath of the Lamb!

Revelation 6:15,16

Charlotte Ruse
Charlotte Ruse
Apr 9, 2020 6:34 PM
Reply to  jay

I’m an agnostic–so whatever–history tepeats itself. Primarily, for the reason I cited in a previous thread–Homo sapiens are a synthesis of human and beast.

jay
jay
Apr 9, 2020 9:24 PM
Reply to  Charlotte Ruse

So, what is the difference between human and a beast, there can’t be any by your reckoning…

Charlotte Russe
Charlotte Russe
Apr 10, 2020 3:34 AM
Reply to  jay

To put it briefly–the “beast” is the sociopathic part of the Homo sapien.

Mike Ellwood
Mike Ellwood
Apr 10, 2020 12:27 PM

Seems a little harsh on the beasts.

Charlotte Ruse
Charlotte Ruse
Apr 10, 2020 12:47 PM
Reply to  Mike Ellwood

Beasts, can handle the excoriation
they’re sadistic vicious creatures.
It’s obvious, just listen to the commentators on MSNBC.

paul
paul
Apr 9, 2020 7:43 PM

The SIOP referred to involved dropping 3,300 large nuclear weapons on 2,100 targets in the whole of the communist world, including 900 cities.
The initial death toll was estimated at between 285 and 1,000 million (when world population was half what it is today.)
Of course this was just the initial attack and took no account of Russian and Chinese retaliation, the thousands of smaller tactical nuclear weapons, British and French nuclear arsenals, chemical and biological weapons, and conventional warfare..

Charlotte Ruse
Charlotte Ruse
Apr 9, 2020 8:51 PM
Reply to  paul

Pretty horrific. The unimaginable suffering for what–geostrategic hegemony. The world is controlled by the mad.

paul
paul
Apr 9, 2020 11:07 PM
Reply to  Charlotte Ruse

The “average” weapon was 1.5 megatons, about 100 x Hiroshimas.
Even Albania was going to get 1 bomb. I wouldn’t have thought there was anything worth bombing in Albania, but apparently there was.
Greater Moscow was going to get 8 bombs.

About this time, the US had a project to develop a bomb so powerful that just one would destroy the whole of the Soviet Union.
Russia went one better. They had a project to develop one so powerful it would destroy the whole planet. The idea was to put this thing on a big merchant ship and sail it up and down the coast. Then if Russia was destroyed in a sneak attack, the matelots on board would light the blue touch paper, and goodbye world, spoiling the big party in Washington.
In a rare outbreak of sanity, neither of these monstrosities were actually produced.
Russia detonated the Tsar Bomba of 50 megatons during this period, setting it off in the Arctic. A real Mother Of All Bombs, it punched a hole in the earth’s atmosphere and smashed half the windows in Sweden. They were going to double this to 100 megatons, but had second thoughts. Maybe too many complaints from the Swedes. Makes Trump’s effort in Afghanistan look a little bit weedy by comparison.
The Russians actually developed a Doomsday Machine called “Perimeter” or “Dead Hand” in the 1980s, in response to Reagan’s Pershing and Cruise missiles. This thing is still in service and can be set to partly or fully automatic. It sends out signals to military and political headquarters periodically. If it doesn’t get a reply, it starts checking things like seismic activity, radiation, temperature and air pressure. If it doesn’t like what it sees, it comes to the conclusion that everybody has been wiped out and initiates the retaliation, firing off a cascade of missiles.
Of course all this is old technology and they can do much better nowadays.

Charlotte Russe
Charlotte Russe
Apr 10, 2020 3:59 AM
Reply to  paul

The whole thing sounds like something out of a dystopian novel where zany rulers are determined to obliterate the planet. Here’s some more nutsy stuff:

During the Cold War, General Thomas S. Power initiated a program whereby B-52s performed airborne alert duty under code names such as Head Start, Chrome Dome, Hard Head, Round Robin, and Operation Giant Lance. Bombers loitered
near points outside the Soviet Union to provide rapid first strike or retaliation capability in case of nuclear war.

The program was involved in the following nuclear-weapons accidents:

1961 Goldsboro B-52 crash[6]
1961 Yuba City B-52 crash
1964 Savage Mountain B-52 crash[Notes 1]
1966 Palomares B-52 crash
1968 Thule Air Base B-52 crash. The Thule accident signaled the end of the program on January 22, 1968.

Richard Le Sarc
Richard Le Sarc
Apr 10, 2020 12:42 AM
Reply to  Charlotte Ruse

Actually the killing and the inflicting of suffering is the reward. It makes them think that, by being inflicters of Death, they become its Master.

Richard Le Sarc
Richard Le Sarc
Apr 10, 2020 12:41 AM
Reply to  paul

They didn’t take a nuclear winter into account in those days, but it does illustrate the primacy of Thanatos in the American psyche.

John Pretty
John Pretty
Apr 9, 2020 7:57 PM

“$250 million golden girl” like Nancy Pelosi running Congress.

– Shouldn’t that be “$250 million golden granny”?

I disagree with your assertion that this is planned by the way. I don’t see it as “obvious”. You are entitled to your view and I am entitled to mine.

For sure, there are plenty of creeps who stand to gain from the chaos, but do not assume that governments are run by clever people. Much of the time they behave like clowns in suits.

Charlotte Ruse
Charlotte Ruse
Apr 9, 2020 8:59 PM
Reply to  John Pretty

https://youtu.be/AoLw-Q8X174
Planned in the sense that the creeps worked out a pandemic scenario. And duplicity in that the military/security/ surveillance/ corporate state were locked and loaded.

They’ve gotten a way with much worse. Propaganda has turned most of the population into receptive dimwits.

Igor
Igor
Apr 9, 2020 10:46 PM
Reply to  John Pretty

The government is staffed with puppets promoted from the ranks of the ultra wealthy elite families. Cleverness is not mentioned in the job requirements.

Richard Le Sarc
Richard Le Sarc
Apr 10, 2020 12:44 AM
Reply to  John Pretty

‘250 million golden mummy’ by the looks of her. No shortage of embalming fluid during the lock-down. Thank God the Chinese haven’t got a hold of our formaldehyde!

mcdonagh4
mcdonagh4
Apr 9, 2020 10:07 PM

Curtis LeMay knew 1 true thing . If you start a war for any reason , you must win it before accepting the guilt or blame that invariably attaches. In our own version of the Cassandra myth Americans simply refuse to believe that.

Charlotte Russe
Charlotte Russe
Apr 10, 2020 2:52 AM
Reply to  mcdonagh4

But look at LeMay’s strategy for winning a war—the utter devastation of the enemy. Perhaps, the best solution is not to start “phony” wars that kill millions.

Seamus Padraig
Seamus Padraig
Apr 9, 2020 10:29 PM

The establishment likes FDR because he was a war-monger. His very meager ‘New Deal’ was only meant to tide the American people over a few years until the permanent war-economy was ready.

Charlotte Russe
Charlotte Russe
Apr 10, 2020 3:27 AM
Reply to  Seamus Padraig

The business establishment “tolerated” the New Deal very begrudgingly. Remember, 1930’s America was quite different than the US today. Back then, there were powerful progressive movements. Hundreds of thousands belonged to socialist and communist organizations and labor unions were gaining strength. These numerous Leftists groups were willing to violently mobilize. And we can’t forget, the 1917 Russian Revolution terrified all capitalists who thought their own citizenry would be the next to revolt. Those are the reasons why FDR managed to get the New Deal through. In other words, the New Deal SAVED capitalism.

Of course, the elites accepted Roosevelt he was part of the ruling class. Theodore Roosevelt was the uncle of Eleanor Roosevelt later wife of Franklin Roosevelt. Franklin Delano Roosevelt was born into privilege. Though the Roosevelts were not as wealthy as their neighbors — the Astors, Rockefellers, and Vanderbilts — the family lived in a large house with several servants in an upscale neighborhood.

The overriding objectives of the Roosevelt family was always to sustain the status quo, and that included pursuing the US imperialist agenda. By the way, a little known fact, Kermit “Kim” Roosevelt Jr., a grandson of U.S. president Theodore Roosevelt, was a career intelligence officer who served in the Office of Strategic Services, forerunner to the Central Intelligence Agency (CIA), during and following the Second World War, went on to found Arabist organizations such as the American Friends of the Middle East, and then to play the lead role in the CIA-sponsored overthrow of Mohammad Mossadegh.

It should also be mentioned, that FDR was told to ditch Henry Wallace as his running mate
and to pick Harry Truman. Roosevelt dutifully followed orders. The heads of industries knew FDR was on death’s doorstep and did not want Henry Wallace to assume the presidency. I could continue, but you get the point…..

Willem
Willem
Apr 9, 2020 4:49 PM

Today’s data report on Covid19 from NL

https://www.rivm.nl/sites/default/files/2020-04/COVID-19_WebSite_rapport_20200409_1203.pdf

First, as acknowledged by RIVM, in NL we have (since last week) increased the number of people being tested on Covid19 (more lax triage system). So that the total number of people who have positive test results is not surprising.

What is ‘surprising’ is that, after another sunshiny and warm day with temp of 24C here, the number of hospitalizations due to Covid19 has gone down again (see figure 2 document). And which is impressive given that the number of people being tested for Covid19 has gone up!

The number of people admitted at ICUs is also slightly going down, deaths with Covid19 are going down and the PCR positives are going down.

The meanstream media here has seen this, and gloat about that the measures are working.

But that doesn’t make sense as what you see happening in NL is also happening at the same time in Italy. But Italy was 2 weeks earlier in lockdown than NL. So why does the number of hospitalizations and death with Covid19 go down in both countries at the same time? – Answer: because the weather changed in both countries at the same time!

And since you will not be likely to find this info in the lamestream about that the weather is stopping Covid19 in NL, I guess we have to do it for them.

And the message that has to be send is clear: Get out, get a tan, enjoy the sun as much as you can.

Or as the Beatles sung

John Pretty
John Pretty
Apr 9, 2020 7:59 PM
Reply to  Willem

“And the message that has to be send is clear: Get out, get a tan, enjoy the sun as much as you can.”

I am seeing plenty of the sun Willem, but with my skin a tan is impossible. Just as well the sun is still weak. I will be putting on my factor 50 before the summer arrives.

Willem
Willem
Apr 9, 2020 8:55 PM
Reply to  John Pretty

Well, there is a song for everyone🙂

Daniel Spaniel
Daniel Spaniel
Apr 10, 2020 1:01 AM
Reply to  Willem

That’s nice.. some good advice in there… but I never bother with sunscreen… limited exposure and coconut oil!

Mike Ellwood
Mike Ellwood
Apr 10, 2020 12:34 PM
Reply to  Daniel Spaniel

Same here, especially as sunscreen is possibly carcinogenic.

Daniel Spaniel
Daniel Spaniel
Apr 10, 2020 1:06 AM
Reply to  Willem

PS are we allowed to post songs now? So long as OffG doesn’t start asking what’s on my mind… :- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j7Vl0peys90

Daniel Spaniel
Daniel Spaniel
Apr 10, 2020 1:48 AM
Reply to  Daniel Spaniel

A reminder as to the calibre of people who can survive mass bullshit: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w2NUQm3CzuA

Daniel Spaniel
Daniel Spaniel
Apr 10, 2020 4:13 AM
Reply to  Daniel Spaniel

Daniel Spaniel
Daniel Spaniel
Apr 10, 2020 12:53 AM
Reply to  John Pretty

I wore shorts today.. and I never where shorts under normal circumstances.

Igor
Igor
Apr 9, 2020 10:52 PM
Reply to  Willem

Temps above 70 F kill the virus. Sunshine (UV) certainly gives an assist.

Richard Le Sarc
Richard Le Sarc
Apr 10, 2020 12:46 AM
Reply to  Igor

Tell that to the Indonesians, Igor.

Willem
Willem
Apr 10, 2020 7:32 AM

They have air conditioning.

Richard Le Sarc
Richard Le Sarc
Apr 10, 2020 10:01 AM
Reply to  Willem

Dear me. Really? Ever been there?

woodlark
woodlark
Apr 9, 2020 4:33 PM

15 years ago an article of this nature would have been dismissed by the vast majority, including me, as somewhat far fetched. Given all that has happened ( especially since 9/11 ), that is no longer true. The likelihood of the establishment narrative being correct is about as likely as Epstein having hung himself.

Cicatriz
Cicatriz
Apr 9, 2020 8:44 PM
Reply to  woodlark

When it comes to a choice between the BBC and David Icke claiming that “Covid-19 is an infection caused by shape-shifting satanic lizardman injecting 5G radiation from black helicopters into people,” I’m probably going with Icke these days.

At least he doesn’t demand £12 a month with threats of jail time for the privilege.

jack(jim)
jack(jim)
Apr 9, 2020 4:07 PM

We should at least consider what might have caused this tyranny to come about, or the conditions that might be being used to justify it, to parts of a reluctant Military and political class in Washington. I’m sure they can convince otherwise liberal minds in the establishment, that this ‘soft tyranny’ is the only way out of America’s dire economic situation, in addition to gifting themselves trillions of dollars in parachutes to buy as many assets as possible, while the dollar still holds its value internationally.

Only a few months prior to this, man made crisis, the Fed was pumping unlimited funds into the US banking system, in response to a bank run, similar to the one that circled the globe in 2008, but this time around it was only happening in the USA, not Europe or Asia. US Financial institutions stopped trusting each other and were only placated by new laws which allowed for the unlimited printing of dollars by the fed. These were desperate measures and I’m sure the US Washington elite know that this is not sustainable, it will eventually lead to hyperinflation and or a banking collapse and the complete destruction of the US dollar, which leads inevitable to the end of American hegemony over much of the world.

In only a matter of only months, similar to the way the Soviet Union’s dramatic implosion of the late 80’s, the USA could become completely powerless. most of their 800 US military basses would need to be closed rapidly and solders brought home as funds dried up. The USA economy without much manufacturing would be in a dire situation, unable to afford Chinese or European goods. No doubt they would try to establish a new currency quickly but the rest of the world would never allow it to have the power the dollar once had.

Faced with this, what we are perhaps seeing is their way-out, their solution, a ‘mild’ tyranny where the screws will be tightened slowly and a lockdown maintained. During this period they need to crash the dollar and reshape their economy, I have no idea how they are going to do that, the task looks hopeless but they are buying time. But one thing I am sure of, and that is, if the US is going to go down, then they will want to take the rest of the world down with them, they are not going to go quietly into the night, and they have proven to be rather a nasty ruthless state to their own people, and to the millions they starve and torture overseas.

Richard Le Sarc
Richard Le Sarc
Apr 10, 2020 12:48 AM
Reply to  jack(jim)

Chalmers Johnson, if I remember correctly, envisaged a rapid collapse of the USA, and many foreign-based troops being told to ‘find their way home’.

Germs Bond
Germs Bond
Apr 9, 2020 3:46 PM

Trouble with this thesis is that Russia and China would need to be co-conspirators in their own annihilation. Also the article ends up happy clapping about new and lovely forms of capitalism as we languish under the vilest type of oppression. This is a counter narrative being peddled almost subliminally by the psychopaths don’t fall for it.

Moneycircus
Moneycircus
Apr 9, 2020 3:24 PM

Thirty years ago almost anyone could have told you what is wrong with the world as O’Shaughnessy sees it. Even Bill Gates would have drawn comparison with a James Bond villain. Today the issue is not (even) that some people admire their words, it is that most people have nothing to say. Absolutely nothing.
The education system seems to teach that holding opinions is wrong: all is relative and if you do oppose something stridently, you can only do so from a position of victimhood. Otherwise, by definition, you are speaking from a position of privilege. Have We All Gone Mad? The Snowflake Epidemic https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xdnSweR7F0Q

gpcus
gpcus
Apr 9, 2020 3:23 PM

I read this article on strategic culture site and find amazing anyone can still believe the “Another President resistant to regime change and nuclear confrontation with Russia and China finds himself today in the White House in the form of Donald Trump” tale… How blind can you be? Maybe he wished that before getting elected (or pretended it TO BE elected…) but three years and a half on, after worsening relation with China, Russia, Iran, Venezuela, North Korea and regime change\control operations going on in the whole set of empire provinces and neighborhoods, the “Trump cleaning the swamp” fantasy should be ready for the bin of history!

mcdonagh4
mcdonagh4
Apr 9, 2020 2:53 PM

Good article thanks for it . The recently departed Kirk Douglas sure made a lot of great movies.

Richard Le Sarc
Richard Le Sarc
Apr 10, 2020 12:49 AM
Reply to  mcdonagh4

Aye, but Lancaster was even better in that one. And Frederic March-they don’t make fillums like that no more.

Mike Ellwood
Mike Ellwood
Apr 9, 2020 2:48 PM

Andrew Saul, among other things questioning the need for shutting down the world because of a virus, when a healthy immune system can cope with a broad range of viruses:

“Vitamin Masterclass Covid 19 episode”

jack(jim)
jack(jim)
Apr 9, 2020 2:19 PM

When exposing this virus fraud, we could easily be an unwitting player in the tyranny’s narrative, because who will be blamed when it becomes obvious what we are saying is true or if a large minority of the population begin to be convinced that it is a hoax ?……. Our feckless democratic governments or what remains of them of course will get the blame, not the deep state who I believe are behind all of this. And who will the democracies call upon to put down any uprising, the military of course. Heads the deep state win OR Tails the deep state win.

In the USA they have created at least 20 million unemployed destitute families, who are unable to pay their rent, power, petrol, bills, taxes, even food bills and who lost their health insurance with their jobs. It was estimated prior to this ‘crisis’ that 40% of the American population could not survive a $400 emergency, So we are looking at a very large angry mob of perhaps million of people on the streets, in a few weeks time looking for blood, created deliberately by the US government that provided only a fig leaf of $1,200 tax credit to help during this crisis, when millions have zero income.

I cannot imagine that the US government do not know what they are creating here, with unrest and battles in the street looking inevitable, requiring military intervention. The CIA have been engineering unrest like this for years overseas, so they know very well how to create riots, requiring military intervention, followed by far right totalitarian government. This looks like it is turning into a textbook coup to me.

Magggie
Magggie
Apr 9, 2020 2:48 PM
Reply to  jack(jim)

Same here jack, it is clear as day that the ‘Establishment’ run everything here. They never change but the puppets they chose do. It’s all one big sham. The US have been angling for culling the population ever since they imported the nazis after the last war.
They tried sterilisation which the people resisted in the end, and now it is going to be a massacre, just as they did with the American indigenous people. I saw this coming years ago, why else do you think they were so eager to remove guns by setting up all the false flags, Sandy Hook etc..
God help us all.
This can only end in tears, especially when you have so many “pillars of the community” so willing to lie through their teeth.

jack(jim)
jack(jim)
Apr 9, 2020 3:16 PM
Reply to  Magggie

Please god, somebody disagree with me, I don’t want to believe what logic and history are telling.

Cicatriz
Cicatriz
Apr 9, 2020 3:45 PM
Reply to  jack(jim)

You’re completely wrong. Everything will be fine. The banks have got our backs and Bill’s vaccine will make viruses disappear forever.

We’ll get through this. See you on your doorstep tonight.

May Hem
May Hem
Apr 10, 2020 12:08 AM
Reply to  Cicatriz

And then they come to the rescue of the angry masseswith the trap of the Universal Basic Income (UBI). Spain has already announced they will do this. Beware – this will trap low income, no job people into a technocratic hell.
https://johnclarkeblog.com/node/35

Richard Le Sarc
Richard Le Sarc
Apr 10, 2020 12:51 AM
Reply to  Magggie

Maggie, the US elites inspired the Nazis with their eugenicist programs, not the other way around.

Thom
Thom
Apr 9, 2020 2:18 PM

Well, in the queue for Sainsbury’s this morning, I heard the first person loudly saying the whole coronavirus saga was “probably a hoax”. Maybe one swallow doesn’t make a summer but who knows? If the public awake en masse to the idea it’s a hoax, the results will be as unpredictable as revolutions in Eastern Europe.
Possibly this explains why Johnson is ‘indisposed’ at such a delicate time (they just don’t want him taking the blame for the oppression) and the media are determinedly pushing their single narrative (ie ‘be very afraid’).

Mike Ellwood
Mike Ellwood
Apr 9, 2020 2:29 PM
Reply to  Thom

They possibly don’t want him blurting out the truth, or clues to the truth, inadvertently.

jay
jay
Apr 9, 2020 2:52 PM
Reply to  Thom

I tend to sing loudly when passing people in the aisles etc:
“The government’s telling big fat lies
Dooodaaaah Dooodaaaah
Boris Johnstones telling you lies
Dooodaaaah Dooodaaaah
Hyping up all the dead…
Dooodaaaah Dooodaaaah

Moneycircus
Moneycircus
Apr 9, 2020 3:30 PM
Reply to  jay

Hoorah! I believe nonsense literature is the corrective to postmodernism. As it can’t be defeated (antifragile) and is impervious to mockery (Alan Sokal) we must mock the reality we see around us.
There is more sense in the Owl and the Pussycat than in any academic, military or political speechifying.

jay
jay
Apr 9, 2020 3:53 PM
Reply to  Moneycircus

Never underestimate the power of mockery.

Paul Vonharnish
Paul Vonharnish
Apr 9, 2020 4:29 PM
Reply to  jay

Good one jay: Try this lighten up ditty: > https://youtu.be/nmUXntGlqFI

jack(jim)
jack(jim)
Apr 9, 2020 3:11 PM
Reply to  Thom

I did wonder if Johnson was off message on this and was trying to minimise the damage to the UK economy, like Sweden are doing, because I am sure the Empire would not like that.

Germs Bond
Germs Bond
Apr 9, 2020 3:38 PM
Reply to  jack(jim)

He didn’t croak so he’s gotta be in on it surely?

jack(jim)
jack(jim)
Apr 9, 2020 4:33 PM
Reply to  Germs Bond

I am sure there are varying degrees of commitment to the tyranny

Arsebiscuits
Arsebiscuits
Apr 9, 2020 5:21 PM
Reply to  jack(jim)

Boris is off getting his Johnson BJ’d by the front line staff.

clickkid
clickkid
Apr 9, 2020 9:36 PM
Reply to  Arsebiscuits

No wonder, they’re saying Boris could be staying in hospital for a while.

He’ll be ‘carried’ out eventually.

snow
snow
Apr 9, 2020 2:10 PM

It is very interesting that the West, whose leaders loudly proclaim its Christian tradition,
is keeping its citizens locked up and implementing unprecedented repression right during the time symbolizing the torture and assassination of Jesus, and the Christians and Churches in these countries are saying nothing: accepting to be locked up. Its all-round house arrest: preventing people to live, millions have lost/are losing their livelihoods and goodness knows how they’re going to it.
But no Christians are mum. Isnt this a blatant failure of what passes for Christianity (which indeed is very different from any teachings attributed to Jesus)? Frankly it baffles me.

snow
snow
Apr 9, 2020 2:12 PM
Reply to  snow

I meant to eat. Sorry its very disturbing to see the Christian community not reacting at this precise time of the year.

jack(jim)
jack(jim)
Apr 9, 2020 2:21 PM
Reply to  snow

The Christian church have form when it comes to supporting tyranny.

sharon marlowe
sharon marlowe
Apr 9, 2020 2:24 PM
Reply to  snow

It looks like christianity has existed so long only because it serves the State, Empires, Colonialism, and/or Imperialism. If it actually inspired an effective resistance, then it probably wouldn’t exist in mainstream/establishment thought;)

mcdonagh4
mcdonagh4
Apr 9, 2020 3:02 PM
Reply to  sharon marlowe

ALL 3 middle eastern sand god religions are misogynistic and expressions of a male elites oppression of women and slaves , initially based on “soldiering” as surpluses began to appear after the last ice age ended in the Northern hemisphere..

clickkid
clickkid
Apr 9, 2020 7:48 PM
Reply to  mcdonagh4

The Virgin Mary enjoys the central position in Catholicism – a celebration of motherhood.

I’m sure Bill Gates doesn’t like that.

As for Islam – lots of western women convert.

jay
jay
Apr 9, 2020 3:03 PM
Reply to  snow

I aspire to be a Christian.
I’m not obeying anything I deem to be evil.
You are right about the Churches…The leven was in a long time ago.
But, Still decent people worship there, the doors are locked to them.
Christ and we Apostles of Christ did not self-isolate from the sick and the old.
So, you are quite right, this bogus lockdown IS absolutely antichristian.
I talk to anyone who will listen, that if they don’t have Christ, they are owned.
Maybe it us who have failed Christ and God and this is why we have lost protection from evil.
This is what has been prophesied that a one world government will show itself, although I feel it is just flexing it’s mussels now…

snow
snow
Apr 9, 2020 4:14 PM
Reply to  jay

Yes indeed the history of the Churches is dark. But why are not Christians speaking out: they should do so tomorrow. And where are the parish priests? I dont mean the upper hierarchies of the Churches. In South American, priests courageously gave their lives during the dictatorships. In the West they need fear for their lives as yet, nor imprisonment if they spoke with one voice. They should all refuse to take mass through TV and the internet. Mass is not that, its about communing all together in the same place without keeping apart. In fact, by speaking out now, they would ensure never to have this fear later. And they would have the eternal gratefulness of the peoples, all the peoples, not just Christians.

snow
snow
Apr 9, 2020 4:15 PM
Reply to  snow

It should be: they need not fear

jay
jay
Apr 9, 2020 6:04 PM
Reply to  snow

Redemption is a personal thing and we are minded to be diligent students of the bible.
Scripture warns of these times, the leven in the Church, the NWO.
Am I surprised by current events no, do I believe what the state tells me no, will I obey every evil order that will put my soul in jeorpardy, no.
Church is for fellowship, but it is not necessary for redemption, we have faith in Christ and the Holy Spirit to guide us.

Richard Le Sarc
Richard Le Sarc
Apr 10, 2020 12:54 AM
Reply to  snow

Where are the parish priests? Fiddling the kiddies as usual, I dare say.

sharon marlowe
sharon marlowe
Apr 9, 2020 1:48 PM

Moon Of Alabama on twitter today telling OffGuardian that totalitarianism saves lives:

https://twitter.com/OffGuardian0/status/1248202643908026371

Gary Weglarz
Gary Weglarz
Apr 9, 2020 2:40 PM
Reply to  sharon marlowe

sharon – it seems that a lot of people are learning to embrace their – “inner authoritarian” – it would seem.

sharon marlowe
sharon marlowe
Apr 9, 2020 3:58 PM
Reply to  Gary Weglarz

Yes, Gary, sadly.

Richard Le Sarc
Richard Le Sarc
Apr 10, 2020 12:56 AM
Reply to  sharon marlowe

When a country decides to let ‘er rip in a search for quick ‘herd immunity’, we’ll have a test case for comparison. It’ll probably happen in the USA or UK first, I imagine.

Sophie - Admin1
Admin
Sophie - Admin1
Apr 10, 2020 1:09 AM

When exactly did herd immunity become equated with stupid thinking and Trump? Isn’t it a standard concept of epidemiology, and the basis of how vaccines are presumed to work?

Richard Le Sarc
Richard Le Sarc
Apr 10, 2020 10:05 AM

When acquiring ‘common’ herd immunity to a novel virus involves many casualties and a collapsed health system. That’s when. Saying that it will not is a bet where the losers, if it be wrong, will number in the millions. We are, in any case, going to find out, because the USA can’t stay locked down for much longer. If it goes badly, there will be war on China.

Rhys Jaggar
Rhys Jaggar
Apr 9, 2020 1:41 PM

So what would ‘martial law’ America do if the world said: ‘Everyone sanction the USA!’?

Start bombing the shit out of everyone, or for the first time in 250 years actually accept that humans living outside America have every bit as much right to be here, every bit as much right to human rights and absolutely have the expectation that murdering psychopaths born in the USA should have no rrights to any form of legal due process, dignity or anything else that they have denied so many countless millions of people the past 75 years…..??

Richard Le Sarc
Richard Le Sarc
Apr 10, 2020 12:57 AM
Reply to  Rhys Jaggar

Bomb everybody. A leopard does not change its spots.

Voz ZeroBel
Voz ZeroBel
Apr 9, 2020 1:39 PM

Modern Slaves are only receiving the fruits of our submissive and irresponsible way of living.

Very simple!

And clearly we want more of that.

Reg
Reg
Apr 9, 2020 12:56 PM

Further to the discussion . . .

jack(jim)
jack(jim)
Apr 9, 2020 2:48 PM
Reply to  Reg

The New World order is a fantasy, this is pure America empire building, they are doing all of this in co-operation with US Corporations, that about good old fashion Empire. Note in the video he starts off by fluffing and talking up the power of the US military, Alex jones does that too and we should all know who he works for.

jay
jay
Apr 9, 2020 3:11 PM
Reply to  jack(jim)

jack(jim)
jack(jim)
Apr 9, 2020 7:24 PM
Reply to  jay

Brilliant.

Grafter
Grafter
Apr 9, 2020 12:51 PM

Going for one or two hour walks every day talking to others out and about and passing by the terrified masked individuals who seem to think covid19 is blowing around our streets. This morning I ran into a BBC cameramen with all his gear. Told him that his company were part of the problem by spreading biased and inaccurate information to which he strongly disagreed. He then explained to me that his cousin died from Covid19 yesterday aged 57. Told him was sorry to hear that and asked if he had underlying health problems. He said yes he had cancer. Was reluctant to take the conversation further but one can understand the feelings of those whose relatives are affected. This however gives more credibility to the fear agenda on which our political leaders have embarked for reasons as yet are unclear.

Rhys Jaggar
Rhys Jaggar
Apr 9, 2020 1:43 PM
Reply to  Grafter

You should have asked if he was still on full pay.

Nothing is more inhumane and disgusting than those being paid in full telling those being paid nothing they have to do what those being paid in full tell them to.

Voz ZeroBel
Voz ZeroBel
Apr 9, 2020 1:43 PM
Reply to  Grafter

Reasons are very simple:

1st – Inject more trillions of currency into the Owners Banks and into Financial Markets (they’ve been doing this since the Last Party)

2nd – Test new forms of COMMAND & CONTROL, since so many new techs are today available for them to control the Herds of modern dumb slaves.

3rd – Have fun watching…

May Hem
May Hem
Apr 10, 2020 12:29 AM
Reply to  Voz ZeroBel

How right you are. While most of us are under house arrest, the ‘authorities’ are busy installing a techno-hell for the millions now unemployed, poor and desperate. They will all be ‘blockchained’ if they don’t obey the rules – ie the authorites’ rules!

” the imposition of biometric digital identity, individual and population behavioral analysis via artificial intelligence, and satellite surveillance as benevolent interventions tied to the “equitable” delivery of Covid-19 vaccines.

Public health is being weaponized as a tool of bio-surveillance and profit extraction.”

from the excellent blog of Alison McDowell called “A Skeptical Parent’s Thoughts on Digital Curriculum”

voz zerobel
voz zerobel
Apr 10, 2020 2:56 PM
Reply to  May Hem

You might like to read this one

Biocompatible near-infrared quantum dots delivered to the skin by microneedle patches record vaccination

And the news report!

And of course the part of the MONEY ALWAYS comes from the same sociopath billionaires!
The research was funded by the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation and the Koch Institute Support (core) Grant from the National Cancer Institute.

IANA
IANA
Apr 9, 2020 1:44 PM
Reply to  Grafter

I can iust imagine that most people who hear that anecdote would not take the conversation further one hearing that ‘he died of cv19’ so would not be privy to probably the most important fact – that he had cancer.

That would then only enable the further spread of the covid19 meme as this then becomes a tale of ‘someone who died of covid19.

Thanks for helping demystify that.

clickkid
clickkid
Apr 9, 2020 11:54 AM

“A police officer has warned his force will consider roadblocks and searching shopping trolleys to stop lockdown flouters putting lives at risk.

Chief Constable Nick Adderley of Northamptonshire Police said they force will now ramp up the enforcement of coronavirus regulations.

Mr Adderley said the “three-week grace period is over”, and people in the county could now face fines or a criminal record.

He said the force may have to resort to more extreme measures such as road blocks and searching shopping trolleys should people continue to break the rules.

Mr Adderley said: “These are not guidelines anymore. This is the law.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/global-health/science-and-disease/coronavirus-news-latest-boris-johnson-updates-uk-cases-deaths/

This is good news.

This will piss people off no end, increasing their inteerest in findiing out what the heck is really going on, and thus leading more to question the narrative we are fed.

Come on plods!

Mike Ellwood
Mike Ellwood
Apr 9, 2020 12:02 PM
Reply to  clickkid

“three-week grace period is over”

What three-week grace period? When was that ever announced?

And searching shopping trolleys for what, exactly?

These people have just been waiting for something like this haven’t they.
Not just Easter, but the authoritarian’s Christmas and birthdays all rolled into one.

NowhereOH
NowhereOH
Apr 9, 2020 2:01 PM
Reply to  Mike Ellwood

And searching shopping trolleys for what, exactly?

Those meddling kids! I mean, that sneaky virus! (And possibly the lingering residue of ‘thought crimes’)

According to Dr. Fauci, we now understand so much more about viruses thanks to COVID. Despite his Feb 28 2020 article in the New England Journal of Medicine, he’s now saying that the ‘behavior’ of this virus is completely unpredictable. Sorry, can’t find the link yet– happened to see it in a news teaser this morning. They keep acting like viruses are alive, as though they’re alien beings from another planet sent to invade.

lockdown flouters

Good name for a band.

mcdonagh4
mcdonagh4
Apr 9, 2020 3:08 PM
Reply to  NowhereOH

Bacteria and Viruses are forms of life that will outlast humanity on this planet ,and they very well may be alien to the planet.

NowhereOH
NowhereOH
Apr 9, 2020 4:44 PM
Reply to  mcdonagh4

They may absolutely be alien and they have contributed a lot to our evolution, but they haven’t suddenly changed their behavior. Bacteria are alive, but we don’t have quite the same consensus:

https://www.virology.ws/2004/06/09/are-viruses-living/– No
https://www.sciencealert.com/are-viruses-alive– Yes
https://www.zmescience.com/medicine/are-viruses-alive/– Maybe
https://www.livescience.com/58018-are-viruses-alive.html– Still maybe

Perhaps I should have phrased my comment as “they keep acting like viruses are sentient, as though they’re intelligent alien beings from another planet on a campaign to invade.”

Daniel Spaniel
Daniel Spaniel
Apr 9, 2020 6:33 PM
Reply to  NowhereOH

Flout it baby!

John ErvIn
John ErvIn
Apr 9, 2020 8:34 PM
Reply to  NowhereOH

“Lockdown Flouters”

Good name for a Band. Has a certain Punk edge to it, or maybe just a working translation of “Gilets Jaunes”.

The virus *may* really be from outer space. Instead of the “magic bullet” that killed JFK, this is arguably a “magic virus” expelled by some meteor, and thus every bit as “unpredictable” as that bullet, acquiring all kinds of new properties, possibly through a process of mutation, even exacerbated by global Mainstream Media Manipulation, itself a sort of weird kind of new genetic modification.

Hey, it could happen!

We’ve seen photographs of it for weeks, as captive audiences, like cruising knobby red-pronged globes, microscopic visitors from Space.

Those were just its baby photos.

It belongs to the human family now, we have got to watch our little Magic Virus grow up right before our eyes!

It’s a star, like a Kardashian, a reality TV bad actor, like our orange President!

You saw those X Files episodes about the Black Oil, alien beings in the form of a viscous scum, invading human hosts, just like this virus, with a will of its own.

If Fauci keeps going like this, Chris Carter can sue him for infringement.

May Hem
May Hem
Apr 10, 2020 5:09 AM
Reply to  NowhereOH

In an Aussie newspaper I read an even better description….”blatant flouters”.

Daniel Spaniel
Daniel Spaniel
Apr 9, 2020 12:03 PM
Reply to  clickkid

I thought it was a three week isolation period… with this warmer weather how can the virus be continuing? How can they justify it being extended? How are people dying in hospitals (assuming they are, as reported, apparently)? How many scandals are concurrent?

Grafter
Grafter
Apr 9, 2020 12:23 PM
Reply to  Daniel Spaniel

They can’t so will resort to force. It’s in the name police “force”.

Mike Ellwood
Mike Ellwood
Apr 9, 2020 1:08 PM
Reply to  Grafter

I can remember a time when the term “Police Service” was being pushed, to make them seem more nicely nicely. But I’ve noticed that that pretence has gradually been dropped and it’s back to “Police Force” most of the time now.

(But perhaps I’m just paranoid 🙂 ).

NowhereOH
NowhereOH
Apr 9, 2020 2:01 PM
Reply to  Mike Ellwood

Just like the Korean War was a “police action”.

Objective
Objective
Apr 9, 2020 4:28 PM
Reply to  NowhereOH

The police were originally meant to be Peace officers, to keep the peace. Oh how we’ve strayed from the Magna carter & principles of common law.

Richard Le Sarc
Richard Le Sarc
Apr 10, 2020 1:08 AM
Reply to  NowhereOH

And the ‘police’ got their backsides handed to them, so leveled the country in a rage of vengeance.

Paul Vonharnish
Paul Vonharnish
Apr 9, 2020 4:38 PM
Reply to  Mike Ellwood

Hello Mike Ellwood: Heh, heh… New Rule: If you’re not paranoid, you’re crazy…

bob
bob
Apr 9, 2020 12:06 PM
Reply to  clickkid

yet I saw a headline that the police were ‘backing off’ harrassing people and telling ‘snitchers’ to stop calling them … hmmm …. anybody tried to cancel a holiday …. the insurance companies are not helping …. and so it continues

jack(jim)
jack(jim)
Apr 9, 2020 12:36 PM
Reply to  clickkid

You underestimate the cowardice of the British people but if there is conflict it is because they have engineered it. Locking the population in their homes to go mad is not the act of a caring government it is the act of a military coup.

George Mc
George Mc
Apr 9, 2020 12:38 PM
Reply to  clickkid

All if which confirms my suspicion that this is a pre-emption of the coming breakdown cast in a form favourable to the rulers.

bob
bob
Apr 9, 2020 1:35 PM
Reply to  clickkid

and this:

a woman locked up for two days and a prosecution process that is illegal – what’s not to like?

Thom
Thom
Apr 9, 2020 2:28 PM
Reply to  bob

There seems to be a predictably hypocritical narrative going on – blaming the police for ‘abusing’ the powers that the government and the UK’s client media keep saying they have.

Objective
Objective
Apr 9, 2020 4:36 PM
Reply to  Thom

No body really knows what powers they have because the Coronavirus Act 2020 is so vague.

But they don’t need the Coronavirus Act 2020, they already have the Civil Contingencies Act 2004

Voz ZeroBel
Voz ZeroBel
Apr 9, 2020 1:46 PM
Reply to  clickkid

Boris Johnson tested positive for Covid-19“… The level of ignorance of the populace is so huge that they don’t even care about writing stupid stuff like that!

PWL
PWL
Apr 9, 2020 2:20 PM
Reply to  clickkid

Police powers under the regulations are illusory – and it makes sense because Coronavirus is a hoax. People are invited to acquiesce to the narrative and the lockdown; both end when people will not.

PWL
PWL
Apr 9, 2020 4:54 PM
Reply to  PWL

Further to that:
The coronavirus police state (2): The illusion of police powers under Regulations 6 & 8 of Coronavirus Regulations (link)

Thom
Thom
Apr 9, 2020 2:25 PM
Reply to  clickkid

Exactly. Which is why it’s an empty threat.

Daniel Spaniel
Daniel Spaniel
Apr 9, 2020 6:26 PM
Reply to  clickkid

Every member of the force, has a camera phone of course…

paul
paul
Apr 9, 2020 7:52 PM
Reply to  clickkid

In France and Cyprus you have to apply for written permission to go out for an hour.
In India they beat you up.
In Albania they club and tear gas you and confiscate your car or bicycle.
In the Philippines they just shoot you.

Jean Wilson
Jean Wilson
Apr 10, 2020 12:37 AM
Reply to  paul

And they’re worried about a little old virus? But then this is different – its a rogue virus!

Richard Le Sarc
Richard Le Sarc
Apr 10, 2020 1:09 AM
Reply to  paul

In India the cops always beat you up. It’s a tradition.

John Pretty
John Pretty
Apr 9, 2020 8:10 PM
Reply to  clickkid

Apparently they backtracked on this as soon as word got out. My plod seem to be among the more reasonable ones. I’ve seen less of them since the lockdown than I used to see.

paul
paul
Apr 9, 2020 11:20 PM
Reply to  John Pretty

There was a big plod cull after 2008 as part of the austerity to pay for the bankster bailout.
Their numbers were cut by 20,000, along with bedroom taxes, pasty taxes, caravan taxes, universal credit, and all the rest.
The army was cut to 70,000, the air force lost half its planes, and most of the navy was turned into razor blades, making it difficult for General Blimp and Captain Mainwaring to stage a decent coup.

May Hem
May Hem
Apr 10, 2020 12:32 AM
Reply to  clickkid

May there be many more flouters. I’m one too.

bob
bob
Apr 9, 2020 11:43 AM

At a time when we are all finding out who our friends really are, I stumbled across this piece of shameless self-preservation – from the Premier League – they used to run football in the UK

All Premier League players want to, and will, play their part in making significant financial contributions in these unprecedented times.

Going forward, we are working together to find a solution which will be continually reviewed in order to assess the circumstance of the COVID-19 crisis.

The players are mindful that as PAYE employees, the combined tax on their salaries is a significant contribution to funding essential public services — which are especially critical at this time.

Taking a 30 percent salary deduction will cost the Exchequer substantial sums. This would be detrimental to our NHS and other government-funded services.

The proposed 30 per cent salary deduction over a 12-month period equates to over £500m in wage reductions and a loss in tax contributions of over £200m to the government.

What effect does this loss of earning to the government mean for the NHS? Was this considered in the Premier League proposal and did the Health Secretary, Matt Hancock factor this in when asking players to take a salary cut?

Some clubs are apparently setting up charities to help fund the NHS. Liverpool have furloughed all non-playing staff, Tottenham have asked for a bailout for their non-playing staff and on it goes – this is what the virus does to people

George Mc
George Mc
Apr 9, 2020 12:59 PM
Reply to  bob

Interesting logic. That means the League should campaign for the players to get paid ten times as much so they can contribute ten times more to the NHS.

Watt
Watt
Apr 9, 2020 2:42 PM
Reply to  George Mc

I’m mindsd to do the same!

Rhys Jaggar
Rhys Jaggar
Apr 9, 2020 1:46 PM
Reply to  bob

And if their cuts paid to keep those laid off employed? That might not cover all the tax shortfall, but it would probably cover 40% of it.

And it would be far more valuable in showing the people who really make football tick that they are actually valued.

Richard Todd
Richard Todd
Apr 9, 2020 2:32 PM
Reply to  bob

If the UK workforce are being jailed ( sorry, isolated) with no pay, or a percentage c/o HMG, what right have footballers to demand their phenomenal wages? “All for one”, eh? They even have the temerity to demand deferral, which isn’t a cut at all.
Besides, with the withdrawal of their revenue streams and the refunding of the same, where is the money coming from?

JudyJ
JudyJ
Apr 9, 2020 3:03 PM
Reply to  bob

As I have commented previously I actually see this initiative from the Government as a cynical move with sinister motives. Why did Hancock choose to single out footballers, and no other high earning sectors? Could it be that footballers as an entity are regarded as influential when it comes to manipulating the behaviour of the general public? Once footballers have agreed to give up some of their earnings, how long will it be before the rest of us are ‘invited’ to give up a portion of our income or savings to help the economy, and not just the NHS, ‘recover’? Was he just testing the water and softening the rest of us up?

As soon as I heard Matt Hancock declare in a public briefing that footballers should make this sacrifice I was suspicious, having just watched the video interview with the German economist Ernst Wolff, in which he warned that the failed global economy could well drive governments to lay claim to 20% or 25% of every citizen’s wealth to sustain a replacement global monetary system.

Daniel Spaniel
Daniel Spaniel
Apr 9, 2020 6:38 PM
Reply to  JudyJ

The self-employed were ordered to give up 20% of average earnings from last three years equivalent period (whatever that is) some weeks ago. If footballers give into this it will be foolish of them.. overpaid they may be, but they can set a good example by hanging on to what rights they have.

binra
binra
Apr 9, 2020 11:43 AM

I am currently blocked from commenting on youtube and the two comments to this page have not showed – and so are they being blocked?
To date OG has remained open, but the forces aligned at controlling dissent are fuelled by the fear of billions, quite apart from dollars.

binra
binra
Apr 9, 2020 11:45 AM
Reply to  binra

Ok I can see this got through. But no sign of the denial of service protections on the site today.

binra
binra
Apr 9, 2020 12:02 PM
Reply to  binra

Now I see one of them beneath and I relax. The other will likely follow.
Am I alone here in being blocked from commenting on Ytube or elsewhere?
It isn’t surprising given the stated intent to do so. But my sense is that only permitted ‘critical perspectives’ will be allowed and viewable to a lockdown internet of managed self-isolation.

Gezzah Potts
Gezzah Potts
Apr 9, 2020 12:47 PM
Reply to  binra

Hi Binra… was going to take a few days off from commenting, refresh, and just have ‘time out’ then saw your comment.
Have read so many articles, watched so many video clips, and made so many comments the last couple of weeks may as well be studying for a degree.
But no, there’s been no DDoS service protection for a couple of days now (I think, but please don’t ask me what day it is tho…) and there’s been no mention on OffG twitter about attacks.
I’ve noticed a few of the blogs I’ve been on recently are using the Bitchute channel instead of YouTube.
Given the psychological nature of the Powers That Be, so to speak (aka sociopaths) it’s only a matter of time before they really clamp down on sites like this one.
They want to silence all dissenting voices with complete control.
Have you checked out both John Steepling and Cory Morningstar facebook pages as well as the blog Wrenchinthegears? Recommended.
Enjoy your day B✌️

JudyJ
JudyJ
Apr 9, 2020 3:10 PM
Reply to  Gezzah Potts

Hi Gezzah

Hope you’re suitably refreshed. 😀 I keep meaning to do similar, but always make the mistake of ‘just having a look’ at what’s happening and what’s being said BTL each morning…and then I’m hooked in again. Ah well, maybe tomorrow…!

Cheers.

J.

Gezzah Potts
Gezzah Potts
Apr 9, 2020 3:31 PM
Reply to  JudyJ

Thanks Judy… Just looked at so much info the last few weeks, it’s like… 😵
Anyway, hope your Easter is okay, and you get out for a few walks, cheers.

Binra
Binra
Apr 9, 2020 7:04 PM
Reply to  Gezzah Potts

I see the bringing of darkness to light as a process of willingness for reintegration.
The recognition of my own comes with the release of what doesn’t belong or serve me.
This is a transformational education of a shift from model construct to felt connection.
The pattern of a separate or self-isolating withdrawal and withholding from life is being made ever more clear. But while set exclusively outside it operates from fear or division given power by reactive allegiance.

I expect I lost you there – but without the inner responsibility, the outer works a tyranny – or a split off identity in wilful ignorance and inversion – that seeks a finds some strategy or cover story by which to not know anything but.

I look anywhere and use this quote at times:

“I’m for truth, no matter who tells it. I’m for justice, no matter who it is for or against. I’m a human being, first and foremost, and as such I’m for whoever and whatever benefits humanity as a whole.”

― Malcolm X

Everyone has blind spots or pet themes that distort or block some of what comes through.
I look to communication that does not feed fear – even if illuminating the patterns by which fear fuels control agenda.

crispy
crispy
Apr 9, 2020 10:22 PM
Reply to  Gezzah Potts

Are you the same Gezzah who comments on the saker?

Gary Weglarz
Gary Weglarz
Apr 9, 2020 2:50 PM
Reply to  binra

binra – “Am I alone here in being blocked from commenting on Ytube or elsewhere?”

I’ve experienced a strange phenomena over the last several months when it comes to posting comments and I share this (like you binra) wondering if others here in the U.S. or other countries are finding anything similar. I am grateful that I can ALWAYS post a comment here at OffG. However, I’ve found that I can no longer post a comment through the three primary platforms I’ve been using literally for years now: “Disqus,” “Youtube,” and at “Medium.”

I typically post politically related comments through all three platforms, mainly at progressive web sites, although at both Youtube and Medium I would often post comments challenging MSM propaganda. I was in fact a paid subscriber to Medium and worked for about 10 days with their IT support attempting to reinstate my account access and my ability to post comments. We even tried to use a second email address to start a new account. Nothing the Medium support team could do (and we tried everything) would allow me to either access my old account, access a new account, or to be able to again post comments at Medium. Very strange. Either the Medium support staff were being completely disingenuous, or the “blocking” was not occurring through their web site, but at some “other” level entirely.

Mind you I’d never experienced problems at any of these sites before a few months ago. I’m officially “registered” at each of them with a username and password. And I’ve received no notice from any of them that I’d violated ANY “community standards” or that I am being officially blocked from posting for any reason. I simply can no longer post at any of these sites and seem to have no recourse in the matter. This has all taken place since sometime in January.

I’m sharing this because I’m curious to know whether I’m simply an exceptionally unlucky chap, or if this phenomena is more widespread among those who post at progressive web sites, or who post at MSM sites challenging official propaganda narratives?

Binra
Binra
Apr 9, 2020 5:50 PM
Reply to  Gary Weglarz

Perhaps OG could have an ‘Open page’ for reports of such censor?
As I said it isn’t just an exclusion to be suffered personally but a way of presenting illusions of opposition or critical view that lead the unaware to experience it as a freely shared platform.

For my part I question a number of fear and control narratives, but not as a call to hatred or violence, and am not surprised in the current time to meet a block. But I suspect – without being able to prove it – that bringing up the 5G element with it reported resonance with oxygen molecules at 60ghz as a potential co factor in the specific phase of ‘dry viral pneumonia’ hypoxia, inflammation from perhaps unbound iron, and organ failure – which as the crowning feature of what otherwise is experienced as a similar flu or cold (and of course can be either because these don’t go away just because CV19 has taken and been given ALL the focus).

I don’t know if the 5G is actually playing a role but I don’t know enough to rule it out or consider it most improbable relative to other factors. But the means to test it are within easy doing for the powers that be – although independent oversight and transparency is critical to prevent industrial whitewashing.

I note my ‘blog’ which is a public repository for a random few of my posts – rather than attempt at generating a social portal, is still up for my own viewing.
http://willingness-to-listen.blogspot.co.uk/ and this is a google owned service. So I sense at this timing youtube has its own algorithm for identifying and blocking – that hasn’t extended to being denied access the Net. I foresee a social credit rating setting privileges soon enough.

Blocking ‘counter narrative’ is active policy for the ‘re-establishing of public trust’ (!) I could tell them, they are never going to restore or get back to such ‘normality’ and the insane attempt to force narrative reality by coercion and deceit embodies pathological dissociation from their own humanity under belief they are fighting evils or forfending extinction, or even bringing on destructive choking off of life support by design for the purpose of a new world order for the persistence of the old world controllers.

It is true that we become what we hate while being the last to recognise it.
Virtue signalling identities offer a hit of self-vindication by setting against the ‘bad guys’ or the ‘bad virus’ or (insert flagged identifier as appropriate).
There is a lot of hatred in the human heart – because fear is given protection and sanctuary there in love’s name. Self isolating fear seeks lockstep in protective narrative allegiance – not to serve, reveal or illuminate the truth – but to choke it such that only essentials to its war effort are allowed in or out.

We explicate or externalise our inner realities to our world. I recognise and support the individual freedom to generate conflicts and fears as part of our own learning experience in life, but not of the deceiving and terrorising of others as a way to set up systemic disempowerment or slavery under substitution or replacement for life. But I cannot interfere with the many who choose this as a seeming freedom, protection or insulation from their fear.

The decision to override the will of others for what we believe is their own good is attack on the will that we all share – by a mind capture or mind control that conflicts or divides to rule out true desire under fight or flight.

nottheonly1
nottheonly1
Apr 10, 2020 1:37 PM
Reply to  Gary Weglarz

I stopped publishing on ‘medium’ when they suppressed an article of mine critical of the ‘military research’ on all Hawai’ian Islands. ‘Minds’ is 100% ‘The Big Club‘. YT=Google=MINSC.

Just imagine for a moment that MINSC is creating an ‘Internet just for YOU’. When you go onto ANY website, you won’t see what I see. What you believe to be information published by various sources is instead ALL coming from a filter system (containing manipulated content a lá ‘wikipedia’) – most importantly pertaining the ‘comment sections’ anywhere.

The abilities to present to each user under house arrest a different version of ‘internet’ exists. It would be foolish to discard the possibility of it already widespread implemented.

How would I know that, what I write indeed appears on a screen, let’s say in Tunbridge Wells, or Findhorn. Zimbabwe, Beijing, São Paulo, or Berlin? Personally I would have the opportunity to check that out with a friend in Berlin. An IT person allergic to news.

For whatever odd reason I am reminded of ‘Staying Alive’ by the Bee Gees, but have just looked and found out that a million people have already used that same kerf.

Binra
Binra
Apr 11, 2020 5:19 PM
Reply to  nottheonly1

Indeed we must know that this is overtly and intentionally being nudged all the time and so our sense of a public space me be very limited – or even illusory.
However I relate to your comment as real to me and join with you – and have a sense of this in many commenters in many places – if only in part – because our identity is often framed in particular blind spots or ‘idols’ defended as truth.

There are two aspects to ‘when two or more gather in My Name – there I Am’. One is the willingness for learning, sharing, exchange and communication – and the others is the relational Field that lives through us and knows itself as one or as a shared recognition of the Living – which embraces the activity or endeavour as a context of Meaning shared in – rather than contested meanings seeking dominance, attention, or reinforcement – all of which operate a noise relative to the signal of a true resonance.

I have a sense that our idea of impact is backwards and that the attempt to run life backwards generates the need for ever greater hits to an ever more numb and hollow consciousness. So I am content to tune in to the Qualities of the Field – rather than to toil and spin for possession and control of a fleeting illusion – that therefore implicitly demands ever more sacrifice to maintain its narrative demand or gratification regardless the original impulse is no longer associated with even the replication of joy.

Ultimately it is what we give that sets the measure of our receipt.
To move with that which moves you as one is the art of being.
There are some whose art is not recognised or shared in their lifetime.
But they lived its bringing forth as a communion and perhaps as an inability NOT to do so. Can we argue with our being – yes – but only as long as we can bear the consequence.

I feel its no good asking anyone here if my posts to other places appear to them, because we share a common profile.

Mike Ellwood
Mike Ellwood
Apr 9, 2020 12:04 PM
Reply to  binra

That has worried me slightly, recently. The frequent delays to the site used to be frustrating, but now the lack of them has me worried for different reasons.

Grafter
Grafter
Apr 9, 2020 12:26 PM
Reply to  Mike Ellwood

RT have shut down their comments section.

sharon marlowe
sharon marlowe
Apr 9, 2020 1:02 PM
Reply to  Grafter

Both RTAmerica and RTUK have not shut down their comment section, Grafter, I just checked.

mcdonagh4
mcdonagh4
Apr 9, 2020 3:14 PM
Reply to  sharon marlowe

I was blocked from commenting on RT Tuesday but not today RT seems to allow comments on selected by them topics but not on others ala The Telegraph.

mcdonagh4
mcdonagh4
Apr 9, 2020 3:11 PM
Reply to  Grafter

When it comes to censorship RT is one of the worst . That they are now committed to supporting this Panic-demic is disappointing.

Binra
Binra
Apr 9, 2020 6:19 PM
Reply to  mcdonagh4

Real politik has to choose its battles. But Pharma is in many ways more pervasive than military dominance – and is not in self-isolation but networked in corporate ‘socialism’ set over the living.
So ‘what can you do?’
Then the opportunity of ‘pandemia’ has all kinds of incentives to increase controls against ‘trouble at home’. Macron doesn’t need a helicopter on standby now the virus is in his sights instead of in the streets.
All the drills have served to condition not just us, but the services to be brought into lockstep for the lockdown.

I’ll give another opening to life to communicate through us in calling to mind the pupation and transformation cycle for the release of the blind ‘getting phase’ of our species.

If there is no way back – what is our vision for forwards – and from where would it arise? Wiping out the human virus? Replacing human consciousness with systemic controls – as rats in a lab?
We may not WANT to live as much as we fear to die to change – and so lockdown in a flattened curve that stretches death/change into delay of extended misery.
For better or worse, the means to live as we did is being choked back by a top down dictate. Perhaps they regard it as a ‘realpolitic’. ‘Leaders’ do not play an open hand. They do not trust that Disclosure wont freak us out and incite mayhem. Even this event is revealing how easily we can become psychotic under fears given power. But NOTHING in it calls on the power of love. Quite the opposite.

It wouldn’t take much for the ‘new Jews’ to be shunned and disappeared as a sacrificial scapegoat, given in worship to a god of fear and control. There is always a price to pay for corruption, and getting others to pay it is a crowning deceit set in thorns set in hate, taking joy in giving pain as an instant of release from an inner torment that has no escape from its own conviction.

binra
binra
Apr 9, 2020 11:13 PM
Reply to  Mike Ellwood

Update – I am just getting access to OG quickly after many weeks of long waits, and sometimes switching browsers to find a way to post.

How and when this kind of communication will be shut down is open but without a sea change of non support for an anti-life agenda (covered in a shell that is designed to obtain entry by emotionally invested reaction), it is hardly likely to be allowed to persist.

Where do we go?
We live the lives we have and share.
There is communication within our being as well as between us. There is communication in every moment of relational awareness, but none of these are able to register in a mind engaged in conflict. Awareness of felt or discerned truth is the first casualty of reacting to the call to war as if your name was called up.

There is no guarantee that a spoof site wont be delivered in place of the true – so rather than worry – expect every kind of nonsense – but develop a nose for deceits that can also be ignorant – for example copy paste ‘warnings’ that relay.
Am I writing to OG readers or to the ‘intelligence’ services?
I do not use such thinking, I write to the living from a willingness to listen within.

The movement of being is not a conceptual structure to then apply, but is that which restores our sense of self, life and right relation by moving through us and being moved.

Fear and control strangles and restricts the capacity of life as motion of rhythmic exchange – to render life unworkable.

Rachel Wild
Rachel Wild
Apr 9, 2020 11:40 AM

This is a brilliant piece of journalism. Thank you. I have just added it to :: Our Economy Is Way More Sick Than Us! (which is also a MUST READ)

Daniel Spaniel
Daniel Spaniel
Apr 10, 2020 1:57 AM
Reply to  Rachel Wild

That’s lovely.. just started reading xx

jack(jim)
jack(jim)
Apr 9, 2020 11:16 AM

The great philosopher and alleged CIA operative Alex Jones always used to say of the CIA, if it works they will keep using it, over and over again until it doesn’t, and I believe him.

To me the way this virus event has unfolded has so many similarities to the other major ‘events’ of the last 10 years. Like the Global warming campaign, the anti-socialist antisemitism campaign and also Brexit, all slightly different operations but essentially run in the same way. I’m sure there are parallels to be drawn with the CIA operations in the Ukraine, Venezuela and other parts of south American.
They all have a media shut down to block alternative opinion, like there was a blanket D-notice across the whole country and now even the world perhaps via 5 eyes. They all had illusive, flawed & misleading evidence, which keeps disappearing and morphing as required to justify their arguments, and they all used selected specific ‘experts’ probably directly controlled, to feed the ‘information’ to the press and the useful idiots in parliaments, as well as using corrupted international bodies (US controlled) and finally everything is wrapped up in a message of emotional blackmail, broadcast over and over again on the TV and across the media.

Along with the US tech algorithms that direct the people to the ‘right’ information, each event must be using tens of thousands of trolls on the internet to bully and insult people and shame and shut down independent voices. Perhaps 30,000 agents working in a call centre in Virginia could achieve all this in the major news outlets and journals in one hundred countries. How much would it cost to change the worlds opinion, perhaps a few billion dollars?

We should be grateful to the Guardian comments page for signalling to us when another operation is about to begin, because it immediately starts to censor even publicly known facts, that contradict the narrative they want to push. When you are not allowed to pass judgement on the most serious accusations levelled against the official political opposition, in your country during an election, then you know your democracy is in real trouble and is compromised.

To me it is clear that these are all operations, with multiple aims and targets to further the Empire’s interests, what is hard to understand is how, already their abilities have become so extensive and complete that the network is capable of producing these results with total ease. This is what it felt like to live in the Soviet Union, we are all now reading the articles at the bottom of page five to discover what is really going on in our country, not the headlines.

But we should not forget that whilst we had our heads firmly in the sand over the past 60 years, the CIA & deep state and it’s sister agencies overseas, in cooperation with the US Corporate complex. have been unifying and refining their skills and psychological operations. It is shame on us that we are only waking up after it is too late to stop.

BigB
BigB
Apr 9, 2020 11:07 AM

From ethos to mythos: from pathos to bathos…

Greek metaphysical terms that ask the question “Can you smell the bullshit”. Because libertarian ethotic practices of the bourgeois hyperself is all Mathew – and his virtual consort Cynthia – can manage. For a loose molecular assemblage of subjects that are in total hysteria about ideology and propaganda – and rightly so – when the site starts publishing such bullshit …you gotta wonder “Why?”

Well, I gotta wonder why.

From the pathetic virtual historographic passage eulogising the apotheosised JFK: we sink to the absolute bathetic hilarity of attempting to bathe Trump in the Sophic light of wisdom JFK only had in the fervour of inauthentic imaginations …this is tragicomic bullshit.

To the meat of CoG: despite the leveraging of the fantasy narrative – there are some salient facts here. But anyone who knows anything about CoG knows the oeuvre of Peter Dale Scott. And they will know America has been standing on the precipice of martial law since 9/11 ushered the pre-written Patriot Act. And what has never been ascertained in fact, is whether it has not already been under some form of martial law – with the Constitution suspended – since 9/11. It certainly was until 2016 or so: because Obama kept extending the provision of the states of emergency (adding his own codicil). I have no reason to suppose Trump has not done the same …so is America already under martial law under the provision of CoG is actually an open question. It is certainly nothing new or unique to CV-19.

So, I gotta ask: do you really think that we can grow infinitely under some new regime (of who, of what – the trinity of Trump-Xi-VVP?) and develop as hyper-individual ethotic practices of selfishness – with bounded rationality and delimited moral compassion? Because that is EXACTLY why we are neck deep in ultra-individualistic doo-doo right now. From which the chances of coming out smelling of roses are diminishing day by day.

Libertarian fascism of the hyperself and hypergrowth of an imaginary economic infinitism is the synergy of the one and only causal mechanism that is now overtly fascising and metastisising in full and plain open view. Which is a clear and present danger to all life on Earth …the life we have not already murdered with the ethotic practices of libertarian fascism of hyperselfism and hypergrowth. Mythologising it in yet more identitarian propagandic bullshit does not change a thing. Inventing imaginary heroes to propagate the same mysogynistic hyperviolence against all life that lead to this utterly tragic nadir of human history are actually pathetic. And not in its original rhetorical meaning. Just plain crass – with a fascising and metastisising ulterior motive of its own. And bathing Trump in the imaginary light that shone from a Kennedy asshole is a new nadir of sorts.

In short: anyone who is clinging on to hopes of a mythical moving on whereby they do not have to completely change their own ways: and give up completely on the ”Blut und Boden” material wealth they thought they had in *their* possession is now one of ”Them”. As in “I’m alright, it’s the others” …just like Matthew and Cynthia (check out their libertarian Big Banking backers).

This is propagandic bullshit of the worst sort. This has been BB raising the questions no one wants to hear. Which is pathos – an appeal to the real felt emotions and the new ethos of practices of selflessness that is now the ”only way out”. That is: if libertarian fascist practices of apotheosised selfishness – the old ethos of hypergrowth – have left any way out. Practices of a different kind of self-maximising greed are not the solution: just ”business as usual” of the problem. It’s Bodhicitta (the ethos of selflessness) or the barbarism of the american silk road synthesis of hypergrowth under the trinity of an ascension of Trump-Xi-VVP as the new holy trinity of the hyperindividual ethos. Sounds like hell to me.

#NoDealForNature when the hopium is worse than both the weaponised disease and the proposed cures.

John Pretty
John Pretty
Apr 9, 2020 11:18 AM
Reply to  BigB

Smells like teen spirit … BigB, have you swallowed a dictionary?

BigB
BigB
Apr 9, 2020 7:38 PM
Reply to  John Pretty

I apologise: but not too much. The way we order social reality and the language we use to communicate the rational order are not two separate things. Which is a common theme of alternative discourse. The clear, precise, logical, and rational ideal-type language of Russell, Frege, Carnap and the early Wittgenstein is intelligible only as the rational ordering of social reality …which is neither real, objective, rational, or the correct order of the real.

If it was benign: then so what? But the linguistic order and logical rationalisation of bodyhood and consciousness is the very same bio-medical semantic dictatorship around half the world finds itself subordinate to today. And the other half are hardly free.

We are simple biological creatures whose greatest gift is their organisational power of communication. But the ordering of that communication is classbound; hierarchical; priviliged; personalised (as in the private property of the sense of ownership); instrumental (as in the dominative hierarchy of the sense of agency). Language construes and orders realities: and not the other way around.

So words matter to me. I like to mix it up. I never like to say the same thing twice in the same terms. But there is method in my madness. Continental speakers invented new idioms: not to be abstruse …and definitely not to be unintelligible. But not to be reduced to the ideal-type language of analytical logical-formalism (Russell etc) …which says nothing at all – with analytical clear precision (it is precisely tautological non-sense: Wittgenstein). And what it does say – clearly and intelligibly – is the proto-fascism of the novum ordo seclorum. The ideology is in the hidden order of the language: resist it if you can.

Steve Church
Steve Church
Apr 9, 2020 11:25 AM
Reply to  BigB

Couldn’t agree more. I’m going to cite parts of it, if I may.

Borncynic
Borncynic
Apr 9, 2020 11:37 AM
Reply to  BigB

I understood about 2 sentences of that.

Steve Church
Steve Church
Apr 9, 2020 11:54 AM
Reply to  BigB

My only problem is with your use of “pathos”. I had to look it up because I have a memory of pathos being a descent towards a kind of pyschic malady. Then again, maybe that’s what you intended.

BigB
BigB
Apr 9, 2020 3:14 PM
Reply to  Steve Church

Pathos is originally part of the Aristotelean rhetoric of proofs and persuasion of ethos, logos, and pathos. As ethos has been hyperindividualised: appeals to objectivity, logic and reason (logos) have come to dominate appeals to intuition, affect (body-sense) and emotion …which cloud universal reason. The overall result of the subversion by the rational order over most of what it means to be human – privileging a transcendent (disembodied) and essentially unknowable Universal Rationality (making the essence of being human essentially unknowable and supersensible (beyond experiencing; noumenal)) is what we are experiencing right now as the ‘rational order’ of things …as it goes batshit crazy on the ordure of its own totalising tendencies.

Hence; the modern semantic field of ”pathetic” is, well, pathetic. Emotions are what make us feel alive: not reason alone. Aristotle at least understood that engaging and communicating – if not persuading itself – had to encounter the entire individual on every level. You only have to look at the modern connotations of ”pathetic” …appeals to stop being emotional and ”be reasonable” …well I’m feeling pretty emotional right now and I don’t feel like necessarily.

We suppressed being fully human – being emotionally intelligent – for a rational order that is neither very rational or particularly well ordered. In fact, it is on the verge of disintegrating. If we ever get the chance to produce a new order: putting the Trump Triumverate in charge doesn’t seem like much of an improvement to me ! 😀

Steve Church
Steve Church
Apr 9, 2020 4:01 PM
Reply to  BigB

Thanks for that, BigB.

Tim Jenkins
Tim Jenkins
Apr 11, 2020 10:50 AM
Reply to  BigB

Great rant of rational thought processing, BigB:- you said so much that I wanted to say, that I can only add the word Shorts, as in (lol) …

“…imaginary light that shone from a Kennedy asshole is a new nadir of sorts “& shorts 🙂 rigging the markets, wearing golf shorts & Navy Shorts, too, I bet you know the sort.

“…just like Matthew and Cynthia (check out their libertarian Big Banking backers ” &&& their shorts, you’d be hard put to describe in full, fashion of today: (I swear too often, FFS, but Teflon Don has a free pass with that Biden ass, as Sanders sucks short straws, in opposition, again . . .) and Donny loves shorts & puts it about, market wise: indeed quite the master of negotiating bankruptcy & chapter 11, I recall, with many shorts in his wardrobe & portfolio, I’m sure 🙂 I’ve been focussing on Greenhouses within a Greenhouse and the gassing we’ve received, without proper process. Clearly, the only reliable information source, with 100% accuracy record, was Wikileaks and any critical thought must conclude truly >>> We Are All Julian Assange, now! Just as we predicted in advance.

Testing times ahead, for any society & cultural legacy, to avoid short-falls …
& memory holing things like, say, DUM Dumb military abuses of our taxes, destroying OUR Greenhouse with Depleted Uranium Munitions.

The short & long of it being, it’s gonna’ get real messy, this time around and, simply said: is the majority going to be obedient, again, with more “Socialism for the Sociopathic/Psychopathic Rich” ? Elites That Evade Justice, like the cheeky Cheney/Murdoch Gang of Clintons, Bushes, Blairs, Merkels, Macrons & Mays of this world, who wish to see Assange suffer & die, in prison, rather than clarify collective massive military abuse of funding, including the miraculous collapse of WTC 7, with the SEC investigations into Monsanto, Enron & GE and the IRS within, along with all the security agencies files, who presumably must have known something about Rumsfeld’s missing $$$Trillions$$$ and the financing of the controlled demolition of same, as confirmed by 4 years of computer modelling at the University of Fairbanks, Alaska >>> (not far from HAARP, geographically speaking) :-
no worries, cue next distraction please,
I have it … the new pearl harbour next panic horror,

NPHCovid19E4-Exhaustion of synaptic gaps, gone viral with system overload,
sniff n’ tears g’teed, like page 3 🙂 best talk ‘tits’, (says it all), looking back to Murdoch’s early years… Back to reality: spring is here and despite bruising travels,
‘me’ blue tits are thriving, again… 🙂
A good sign to Get Wild ! Time for Leveson2 😉 to short circuit UK media regulation?!
Keep it up, respecting yourself first,
Best Wishes,
Tim

mcdonagh4
mcdonagh4
Apr 9, 2020 3:20 PM
Reply to  BigB

Bafflegab at its finest a fun read !

crank
crank
Apr 9, 2020 11:04 AM

NORTHCOM went operational on October 1, 2002 as part of the Neocon takeover of America. This neocon coup which came to full fruition with 9/11 was governed by a manifesto entitled the Project for a New American Century which laid out a Pax Americana of police state measures at home, regime change abroad and containment of a rising China and Russia under a religious belief in a unipolar world order.

But who were/ are the ‘Neocons’ ? What was their core ideology? Where did it come from? Why does this article not mention Israel once, even in passing ? Did those regime changes do anything but strengthen Israel’s geopolitical standing in the world?
If the volumous writing which details the ‘continuity of foreign policy’ between Israel and the US is granted due consideration, then would that in any way alter the picture painted here of Trump as somehow analogous to Kennedy (i.e. ‘..another President resistant to regime change‘) ? What about Trump’s many obvious and clear connections (political, personal and business) to pro-Israel fanatics, do they bear consideration ?

Presidents Xi Jinping and Putin have opened their arms to welcome America and other western nations into their new multipolar system which is built not upon a worship of money or militarism, but rather cooperation and creative mutual growth.

Russia is the second largest arms exporter after the US. The Russian defence sector accounts for about 20% of all manufacturing jobs in the country. Why misrepresent this so?
As we enter this new phase, articles like this which claim to be clarifying are in fact obfuscating by omission.

John Pretty
John Pretty
Apr 9, 2020 10:46 AM

I just spoke to my parents who are in their seventies. My father said they drove (about a mile) to the local golf course, where he is a member to walk the dog. “We ain’t really supposed to …”

Well, I suppose I am also sinning against the government by driving to remote parts of the countryside for a walk, but I consider it essential for my mental and physical health to get away from this.

Another commenter today asked if we were feeling claustrophobic. I said, no, but in fairness that may only be because I am walking in the countryside most days.

Mike Ellwood
Mike Ellwood
Apr 9, 2020 12:45 PM
Reply to  John Pretty

If the law is an ass, then TPTB should expect it to be flouted, and I hope you and your parents carry on as you are. Although I wonder if it is even the law (no, I am not going to look into the small print), or just the interpretation by the likes of the Chief Constable of Northamptonshire.

I am lucky in that I (living on the edge of a smallish town) can get to almost open country within about 5 minutes, just walking from my house, and can get to almost wilderness in about another 5. It’s hard to believe that there could be wilderness here, barely an hour’s train ride from London, but there is. Well, it’s perhaps not entirely natural wilderness. A lot of it will be former gravel pits, probably then used for landfill, and then allowed to grow over. It’s been reclaimed by nature and appears to be a haven for natural life. I saw butterflies yesterday of the kind that I haven’t seen in my garden for years. And a couple of swans on a small “artificial” lake.

More people are discovering these areas now as they (like I) seek places to walk and wander, but it’s still possible to find places where you don’t see another soul for hours.

Where I have met people, I’ve seen examples of both the insane panic-inspired behaviour, and the normal friendly human behaviour that we used to take for granted. Now, I’m English, have been all my life, and everyone knows that the rule in England is that in towns and cities you ignore strangers, but in the countryside, you talk to them. The lonelier the place, the more likely you are to speak to them. This rule seems to be in suspension at the moment, at least for some people. These people walk on by, not daring to speak or even look at you. Some “freeze” and let you go by (which is illogical because of they kept walking, they’d be free of you much quicker). I can’t blame them, given the panic propaganda, and fortunately, not everyone I meet is like this.

The experience of the Channel Islands in WW2 shows that, had the UK been invaded, there would have been just as much collaboration with the occupying forces here as there was in other occupied countries. We might all like to think we would have been brave resistance fighters, but how many of us would have been in reality. Most of us would have kept our heads down and hoped for a quiet life.

But (at the risk of invoking Godwin’s law), I would put money on it that the likes of the dick-swinging, truncheon-wielding Chief Constable would have been the first to go crawling to the local Gauleiter, asking how may they possibly be of service, and offering names and addresses of people that the honourable Herr would be particularly interested in.

Rhys Jaggar
Rhys Jaggar
Apr 9, 2020 1:51 PM
Reply to  Mike Ellwood

Places like yours are local to me too: gravel pits, canal paths, paths in wooded areas, paths crossing closed golf courses.

I have met plenty of folks walking their dogs out there. Shame canal tow paths were designed for horses, not CoVid19-lockdown dimensions. I just turn away from anyone I have to pass less than 2m away. Not that it happens often. Maybe 5 people in 40 minutes. I suspect the sunlight does more for my immune system than any risk to spreading disease (I have no symptoms and have had none the past 4 months).

Allotments are not a bad place to while away sunny days. You are bound to be social-distancing, just staying on your own plot.

NowhereOH
NowhereOH
Apr 9, 2020 2:13 PM
Reply to  Mike Ellwood

We might all like to think we would have been brave resistance fighters, but how many of us would have been in reality. Most of us would have kept our heads down and hoped for a quiet life.

I ask myself this every day. Right now, I’m just trying to get people I know to question the established narrative and refusing to cave on the frankly insane ‘precautionary’ measures being endorsed by the media. A time may come, however, when that is not enough…

NowhereOH
NowhereOH
Apr 9, 2020 2:09 PM
Reply to  John Pretty

I hope your parents make this ‘crime’ a serial offense.

My walk in the woods is the highlight of my day.