Minnesota State Senator Scott Jensen appeared on a local news show to report that doctors were receiving instructions from the Minnesota Department of Health to report Covid19 as a cause of death, even if the patient was never tested.
Senator Jensen, who is also a practising physician, said he had never before in his thirty-five-year career received specific instructions on how to fill out a death certificate.
The apparent policy of Minnesota – to report any and all pneumonia or “flu-like illness” decedents as Covid19 cases, with or without a test – ties in with the US policy as described by the CDC’s official memos.
This is not new information, we covered the guidelines from the CDC, here.
In fact the governments of Italy, Germany, the UK and Austria all doing the same thing.
So, while Dr Jensen’s revelation isn’t as shocking as it would have been just 10 days ago, it does at least demonstrate that, within the medical world, these guidelines are not normal. In a separate interview with Lauran Ingraham, Jensen described the guidelines as “ridiculous”.
According to Jensen, citing a colleague, it is not usual practice to ever put “presumptions or probabilities” on a death certificate, but rather to “stick to the facts”.
The question still hangs in the air: Why do national and regional governments appear to be going out of their way to inflate the Covid19 death statistics?
Dr Jensen has his own idea:
Well, fear is a great way to control people, and I worry about that. I worry that sometimes we’re just so interested in jazzing up the fear factor, that…you know, sometimes people’s ability to think for themselves is paralyzed if they’re frightened enough.
Thoughts to consider.
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For Austria and Germany the information is inaccurate!
Fact is, that they do not distinguish between died OF the virus versus dies WITH the virus. But they are definitely tested.
There is no virus. Not trying to sound like a narcissist but there are absolutely none of the kind. I have looked at thousands of studies. You must first show me one publication that proves that viruses are
3: All parts of the virus detected (proteins, RNA …).
Considering that no publication from approximately 1945 until today has fulfilled points 1,2 nor 3 one cannot talk about animal viral tissues, viral pathogenesis. On the other hand, a negative control experiment proved the pathogenicity of the alleged viruses (animal or human) to be incorrect, no pathogenicity and no infection with the said alleged viruses. Vaccines contain components of dying monkey cells, for example, and this is misinterpreted as an alleged attenuated virus.
Bill Gates vaccines paralyzed 500 000 children below the age of 5 in India, killing thousands in Africa, causing neural damage on thousands upon thousands. The vaccines are manufactured inside of labs using gain-of-function and the diseases they are said to prevent are the ones you receive from the injections. Read this: https://fort-russ.com/2020/04/robert-f-kennedy-jr-exposes-bill-gates-vaccine-dictatorship-plan-cites-gates-twisted-messiah-complex
A previous comment about the covid death rate trending towards the overall mortality rate – and that that overall rate would increase as a consequence of the lockdown- was said mostly in jest. However, after listening to this testimony below (which has the ring of truth to me), I am starting to think this is actually starting to happen. If patients are presumed to have covid on arrival, treated in medically dangerous ways, then killed by that treatment; if patients are dying at home, scared to go to hospital to get treatment; if the systems of preventative medicine and things like organ donation grind to a halt – then lots and lots of people are going to die. And all this before the effects of things beyond the medical systems come to the fore.
This is all starting to look potentially genocidal.
In the US it’s being used to cull the underclass, as expected.
These forecasts of population and GNP for all countries were put up in 2014.
Massive reductions are seen or all western countries – eg USA to have fewer than 100 Million people by 2025.
Precisely why they were published is unclear, Deagel seems to be involved in the arms industry.
What a weird yet fascinating website. I find no About page and cannot make any sense of the site’s overall purpose, except perhaps to track data pertaining to military hardware? But why bother with that, and why bother gathering then interpreting all those statistics into population and GDP predictions stretching to 2025? A lot of work for nothing but the purported honesty of or interest in the process? The site’s explanation in ugly puce text under the stats pages you link to reads like the work of enthusiastic amateurs to me. But overall, very mysterious indeed.
And to wipe out the middle-class
A double whammy
^^^ Must watch. ^^^
Long version: ICU Nurse Whistle blower
Notable points: because of the bad guidelines coming from the medical establishment and above: the numbers for covid are being inflated and people are being killed.
And medical practitioners are forbidden by law to speak out.
There’s a few counter points to consider there. Historically the death rate doesn’t change in balance because things like traffic deaths decrease. But to dismiss suicide and suffering on this basis is crass. But it does not increase.
Rebutting that is that we don’t see this level of hysteria often and folks are avoiding treatment for other things.
Yet in 🇨🇦 for decades folk wisdom says never go to hospital for any but a serious reason and know the difference.
You don’t just expose yourself to risk but pollute the hospital with your cold or flu.
I think we have a responsiblity to make sure that supply and triage issues will not needly kill anybody in the future.
And some gov’t power play would backfire hugely if they try it.
I refuse to join the jingoistic speculation around weaponization and in particular China recently because the history of the virus and location data can be argued both ways.
They make the ideal victim in larger geopolitical economic / power play. Cui bono tells you nothing. They all do if at all.
The genetic evidence is extremely weak (non existant).
Thus fascism and a cover for the latest crisis of capitalism are all that remain as a motive.
Culling as an argument is obviously weak given the survivors are stirred up.
Given the way this and all viruses work I think the virus as natural argument is clearly on top lacking clear evidence to the contrary.
Which further supports the opportunistic fascism danger you all argue for. Good call in balance.
The problem with that is, that some physicians now discovered, that patients who are intubated expire very quickly compared to patients who are getting only oxygen. So a number of deaths could be prevented, by treating the people differently. In Germany this means treating people not according to what the guidelines say, which can be a problem.
TOO many “if’s &’s & but’s” in your stmt … I only go on FACTS … AND the CDC has been ‘manipulating #s’ for SO long, there needs to be an AUDIT – ASAP. Dr. Scott Jensen is ethical and KNOWS facts. Dr. Simon Gold states FACTS & she has been an MD for 25+ yrs AND her DAD has been an MD for 60+ yrs. WE are BEING lied to by CDC, FDA, especially fake fauci & his ‘scarf friend’ that has NOT EVEN renewed her medical license – BECAUSE they’ve ALL been paid off by china, WHO crook tedros, bill gates who wants to ‘control vaccines’ BECAUSE he believes America’s population is TOO LARGE & is a One World Order creep …. ALL NEED PROSECUTION, FINED & JAILED — ASAP!!!!!!
A bit more music for the mayhem. Actually there’s a bit of a story behind this one, in that Edwyn Collins is lucky to be alive. Collins’ story shows how you can triumph over almost impossible odds.
Orange Juice and Rip It Up…
I’m dancing around my room to this in my Hazmat suit, while clutching a copy of the Communist Manifesto, and all the while wrapped in reams of bog roll.
It’s a funny old world.
Yeah you go Ro flatten that goddammed curve
“Rob’ of course.
I absolutely agree with Senator Dr Scott Jensen because for weeks the most competent and serious scientists have been denouncing, too, the non-conformity of the statistics referring to the number of cases and deaths due to the coronavirus. For these experts, SARS-CoV-2 is not as letal as the health authorities and the media would have us believe. For them, there is fraud, whether unintentional or intentional.
The stakes are high for a global economic and financial reshape, people’s health and most basic freedoms are supposed to be of the slightest importance.
Hockey stick statistics.
My wife breathlessly tells me that there are mass graves being dug in New York. So:
Why drone footage? Is this all happening in secrecy? Are the authorities – or some authorities – trying to hide this away?
Sounds like a steep increase. But hang on:
If the city has cut the time for bodies to remain unburied then that would explain the sudden increase right now. Of course with this deadly virus raging etc. you’d expect the bodies to keep piling in. But I would say that the present short term increase has been explained.
What is the daily average death rate in NYC?
Is there any website I can go and check mortality average’s arose and the world?
Well that’s the big question. There are plenty of sites churning out numbers but not giving any breakdown of the numbers – e.g. by age, possible other complicating factors etc.
My advice would be to carefully scrutonise all articles to see if they actually say “died OF coronavirus” Usually they say that such and such a number had the virus and then so many died. The imlpication being that they died of the virus.
Also check for other oddities e.g. the curious cloak-and-dagger reporting I noted above where these “sinister” events are being filmed from on high. Why do that? Why not just contact the authorities and find out directly what’s going on?
Most importantly – check to see if unusual events are being caused by the claimed accelerating deaths or by precautions taken against presumed accelerating deaths.
“presumed accelerating deaths” should read “projections of presumed accelerating deaths”.
This website is very good. https://www.worldlifeexpectancy.com/united-kingdom-influenza-pneumonia I have provided a link to the page about influenza and pneumonia, but you can look up deaths from all causes, in order, for every country. The statistics are from 2017.
Sorry, the life expectancy website doesn’t give statistics for individual cities.
According to data obtained from the CDC’s National Center for Health Statistics Mortality Surveillance System website, total U.S. deaths for the first three weeks of March are DOWN 10% from the average of the prior four years for the same three week period.
The average for weeks 9 through 11 for the four prior years was a total of 170,555 deaths. For weeks 9 through 11 this year, the total is 153,015, meaning 17,540 fewer people died in America during the first three weeks of March than could be reasonably expected. And the gap between historic deaths and weekly deaths is widening. For week 11, just 47,655 Americans died, 8,773 and 15% fewer than the average for week 11 in the prior four years. And while data on week 12 is not complete, it is trending similar to week 11 and will likely be down by 15% (around 8,700 deaths less than expected) even though 1,919 COVID-19 deaths were reported (in week beginning 3/22).
what if the boxes are empty??
New York Mobilizes Rikers Island Prisoners To Dig Mass Graves for Coronavirus Victims
Did I hear this correctly from the Doctor stating that it is not a serious disease for 90 % of people ????
Yes, estimates from various sources say it is harmless or mild for 80-99% of those infected.
Shame about Sleboda. I kind of liked him. All people confronted with the facts that their glued up narrative cannot handle act the same (I’ve done it) : they say something absurd, like an asshole, then run away.
Doing a bit of research on music. I wonder is Beatle mania like Cov-19 in reverse?
Not wishing to diminish the problem. Any mental health professionals out there?
the beatles where a tavistock military project
this is not a viral but a country of the mind issue
many of the record companies where spu out of the air ministry
experiments in sound
experiments in the mind
experiments tv programming
plato and his many caves
This “lockdown” is not about “saving” lives, since everyone will die one day anyway. This is all about (possibly – no guarantee) prolonging lives. Those at risk (with few exceptions) are the already very sick and elderly. As those of us with independent enough minds already know.
Those not in the Rupert Murdoch age category (he’s 89) have been given the message that they ought to stay inside and avoid others. For the foreseeable future. Not because it will “save” their lives (they are not at risk) but because it MIGHT (it might not) help “save” (ie, perhaps prolong) the lives of elderly people like everyone’s favorite grandad Mr Murdoch. Who runs a global media empire.
The thing is, there is no guarantee that “your” decision – well, okay nobody actually asked you if you wanted to “self isolate” (I’d have said no, you can fuck off) will actually make any difference at all anyway. You might not even get the blasted bug. Or maybe you’ve already had it and didn’t notice. You might not even pass it on anyway.
Let me put to you the following scenario:
God came to Rupert Murdoch, and said. “Mr Murdoch, you have a choice. You can have ten weeks more life or you can have five weeks more life. However, if you want ten weeks more life there is a catch. You have to imprison your granddaughter in her home for those ten weeks. She will be allowed exercise,but permitted to spend time only with her parents. If you want her to continue life as normal then you only get five weeks.”
What is your decision, Mr Murdoch? (If you were in Mr Murdoch’s position what would you do?)
(Rupert chose the ten week option, but the ten week option came with a guaranteed journey to Hell for all eternity. The five week option offered a short trip to Purgatory, with the option of Heaven if sufficient reparation for his many sins was made. Roops should have read the small print.)
Good comment. Ultimately our vulnerable are hostage.
For those who can bear it: Noam Chomsky, in self isolation in Arizona, being questioned about coronavirus and what to do about it
His answer (I kid you not): Trump is a buffoon, we will get extinguished by global warming or nuclear war, and yes: coronavirus can have terrible consequences. If we trust Trump, that wil be the end of us all (so, implicitly, vote Biden). We humans are so terrible, trusting in all these Hitlers that have been around since Chomsky’s youth, that, in a way, we all deserve to die. Oh yeah, and we should organize (we always need to ‘organize’), but this is a bit hard in self-isolation, but we will find ways (but Chomsky is never explaining how that is going to happen).
Of course Chomsky doesn’t say this in four sentences but in a half hour long and b.o.r.i.n.g conversation with an interviewer who idolizes him and never asks a difficult question, like: ‘but Noam, since the US government, as you have been saying for ages, doesn’t care about its own population, why does it suddenly care and puts people, like you, in self-isolation for their own good, while at the same time corporations are bailed out by that same government with trillions of dollars?’
see for yourself
Oh, btw, I note from her Instagram page, the bane of my love life, Murray’s Russian groupie Tatyana, is in full quarantine mode.
“Tanya” is sporting a very generous face mask and her deep blue-gray eyes are just visible beneath the hood of her coat. From the photo it would appear that she has courageously ventured outside to purchase a fresh supply of chocolate.
I hasten to add that as I value my life (she has already skewered my heart), I will not be telling Tatyana that multipack Kit Kat’s are no protection against coronavirus disease.
As you have often said, “she’s a clever girl.” Presumably Tanya has decided that she wants to die happy …
Chomsky’s success has much to do with his name. CHOM, onomatopoeic, substantial, a satisfying mouthful, considerable like a basset hound (which is precisely the laboured and overly-measured manner in which Chomsky speaks), and SKY, denoting Russian or Polish heritage worthy of respect.
I don’t see what his name has to do with it, and in any case Slavic names sometimes trigger xenophobia.
Chomsky has answered your questions a THOUSAND times. Read his books, and you’ll see.
A friend in France is saying that the lockdown – ie imprisonment of the British people, is due to extend for another 3 weeks – can’t verify it at the moment, but this could be a media ruse or it could be the government telling its friends one thing whilst they tell us something different
We are at about day 60 of 100 in this current wave so more like about another 6 weeks with phased releases for a 4 day or so week follwed by 10 off to shepherd the spread of the necessary herd immunity. Which hopefully will be sufficient to avoid as drastict a lockdown on the second wave.
My comments are not being published, in a timely manner and all such information that i impart is being missed because of being in pre mod due to the ‘system’ according to Off-G. Certainly not censorship – just a computer algorithm…
Me too. Seem to be on pre-mod since asking a few questions and making a few personal observations that were at odds with some of the Off-G commentary.
All very mysterious.
Certainly takes the fun out of engaging with co-commentators when posts do not appear in real time, but take several hours to show up.
Is it just a gltch, or is it censorship – I have no idea?
It’s censorship Harry, because you are just that important, and we are so bad at it we let all your bellyaching slip through our soviet style dragnet.
Lol. Admin1. I should start paying attention to this.
Harry, for what it’s worth: I like your comments on Covid19 as they follow somewhat the same paradigm (of what Covid19 is) in my hospital.
Since it is fair to say that all of us don’t know what is going on with Covid19 (since there is simply not enough information), we are all entitled to have an opinion as long as it is well constructed and kind.
Anyway that is how I see it.
The Irish lock-down has been extended today to May the 4th – new legislation was signed in to law on Tuesday night which makes it illegal to travel more than 2km from your house.
There are exceptions to this listed on the government website, egs include essential shopping & visits to the pharmacy where there are none with 2km. Health care workers travelling to/from work, etc
Also hospital appointments are allowed however these have all been cancelled anyway.
When they added the legislation Tuesday night they said it would expire this Sunday 12th and was only to stop people travelling over the Easter Bank Holiday weekend.
Then surprise surprise it was extended today by 3 week.
Was this legislation voted on in the Dáil, or are your TDs shirking from home, like our MPs?
A small number from each party are going in & no “emergency” legislation so far has been voted against, they are all in complete agreement.
Very pleased with the progress of our whatsapp street group. I only knew about it, because a couple in our road a week ago, last Friday delivered leaflets to every door – just in our road (that’s the entire point – if you don’t live in our road, you can’t join). You just reply by whatsapp, with your first names, and house number. I instantly replied what a Brilliant idea, and that we would help in any way, and if anyone wanted to borrow – I mentioned a specific garden tool – I said, once I have finished with it, anyone in our road can borrow it. Since then almost everyone in our road has joined our whatsapp street group, and via it have offered all kinds of help, and no one from outside our road, even knows we are doing it, or if word has leaked, they have been told to do the same thing in the road they live. I admit I am now being drowned with whatsapp messages from around 100 people in my road, but all of them are nice and helpful, together with an occasional bit of paranoia ( eg will be sprayed – and we will stick it in your wellington boot) – but all of it is non-political, and a lot of it is completely hilarious.
So we have got a community. We are now wandering up and down our street to try and find a glimpse of someone inside their house, so we know what they look like and can put first names to house numbers.
My wife has of course got our curtains Wide Open.
Pretty similar with our local bowls and social club as the focus.
Great stuff, Tony. There’s similar community collaboration happening in my own little neck of the woods.
And thus far the indications are that huge numbers of French will be on the streets protesting this weekend – and as well as being beaten-up and gassed by the CRS, they now also face huge fines and imprisonment.
We know the old saying: when people have nothing left to lose, they lose it (their temper).
I do sense some hidden message there. In our road we are all over 80,( except me ) so too old for that kind of stuff. No wonder Craig Murray refuses to have you on his site.
Greetings Liverat at 3825. I dunno. You can’t all sit out front? Apart?
Oh crap. *LoveRat*. That was word prediction seeming either malicious or Freudian. Apologies.
I mean what sort of jerk would address an elderly person that way?
That’s great. I am keenly interested in positive use of neighborhood apps.
This message appeared on the “Nextdoor App”: “Please pass & share I need help! I don’t know who or where 2 ask. My husband has been given 8 months or less 2 live. He has glioblastoma grade 4. The most aggressive cancer there is. After 42 days of Chemo & Radiation he desperately needs a MRI. to get a baseline 2 CONTINUE. Because of the Virus he can’t. Help! Without it we don’t know if it’s grown back, or if the tumor has changed place.. I know it would take a miracle to save him but there is no chance if he can’t get further treatment. He can not because HE CAN NOT GET A MRI DUE TO THE VIRUS. The Company that monitors his heart will not send a rep, to the hospital to slow down his heart. He will die without treatment . With, we can squeeze more months. I want those months. The hospitals won’t take him because he can get Covid19. If he was a celebrity or rich,they would find a way. He is a celebrity 2 us. Any help appreciated. & SHARE THE HECK OUT OF THIS UNTIL MAYBE SOMEONE CAN & WILL.”
When this man dies will his death certificate cite COVID-19 as the cause, or will it say COVID-19 COLLATERAL DAMAGE.
How many millions at this very moment, are physical and psychological victims of COVID-19 collateral damage. I bet, many thousands of deaths will “not” be from the coronavirus, but will result from collateral damage associated with the virus. Millions, are not seeking medical attention for conditions which could quickly metastasize and become deadly. Physicians have temporarily closed their practices, some are offering telemedicine, but for most that will not be sufficient, especially if you can no longer pay your cell phone bill. A simple skin condition condition overlooked for just a few months could be a deadly melanoma. In fact, even tooth infections not treated can kill–infections that fester can travel to the brain and other major organs.
I can only imagine, the psychological devastation caused by bureaucratic policies shattering millions of small businesses whose owners invested their entire life savings into a “normally” profitable little neighborhood store.
Stephanie Ruhle, is the NBC News Senior Business correspondent and anchor of MSNBC. She previously was managing editor and news anchor for Bloomberg Television as well as editor-at-large for Bloomberg News. Today, on “Morning Joe” she seemed absolutely gleeful describing the impossible hoops small business owners would need to jump through to secure bank loans. And then she became even more delighted about how many commercial property owners would be denied rent, thereby exacerbating the financial crisis. Rich neoliberal Ruhle, doesn’t know the first rule of capitalism– the big banks will NOT suffer from the COVID-hysteria shenanigans she and her ghoul associates are promoting, it will be the middle-class and small business owners who will be hit the hardest. Does sadist Ruhle actually believe that the working-poor who lose their jobs will automatically get them back, or are they most likely to join the ranks of the homeless.
PROPAGANDA IS CAUSING PEOPLE TO LOSE THEIR MIND
Fiendish commentators on MSNBC and CNN appear elated knowing their pounding propaganda converted a nation into docile fools.
They show video clips of empty dystopian looking city streets eerily appearing as if an entire population has been wiped off the face of the Earth.
In our current dystopia, the security state working hand-in-glove designed a propaganda “neutron bomb.” A bomb which doesn’t emit enhanced radiation, but is emitting enhanced “psychological torture.” A high yield nostop weapon devastating all social interconnections, while minimizing any actual physical destruction. Hence cities without any life, or perhaps cities without any “intelligent life.”
Archie Bunker, in the 1970’s comedy classic “All in the Family” frequently referred to his son-in-law as “meathead.” When asked why he called his son-in-law meathead, Archie would reply “Because he’s dead from the neck up.” The corporate state-run mainstream media news has created a population that’s DEAD FROM THE NECK UP! People have become mentally enervated and are too phlegmatic to do their own research. The population refuses to awaken their critical thinking skills.
Relentless misinformation is being forced-fed by showbiz state-asset commentators earning millions. An example of one such creature, is the “Polish Princess” Mika Brzezinski whose entire family for decades have been little more than State Department grifters securing fame and fortune through genocidal wars. The most demented creatures are the most remunerated. Perhaps, that’s why her and her greasy sidekick intern lover/Joe each earn $8 million a year. And this does not include all the other profitable ancillary books, as well as the Polish presstitute Brzezinski’s “Know Your Value” scam advising older gullible women with no assets nor influence about how they too can become successful entrepreneurs. By the way, where would Mika be today if Zbigniew Kazimierz Brzeziński wasn’t such a “fine apparatus” for US imperialism. Zbigniew, a genuine Russophobe spent decades promoting policies generating terrorist organizations deployed to savagely murder indigenous populations.
REPORT THE EVILDOING SPREADERS
Neighbors are sheepishly peeking through curtains similar to how elderly women for decades looked out windows in Mafia ridden Little Italy, watching to see if something gruesome will occur. In Little Italy, these women donned all in black would never think of coming forward to say they witnessed a crime, but today neighbors are eager to report on a family or a small group not practicing social-distancing. The happiness of a small group daring to enjoy sunshine and fresh air is anathema to the frustrated and dumbfounded.
COVID-19 doesn’t require a “Bill Gates Vaccine” it requires a public willing to remove their rosy-colored propagandized infested glasses and replace them with a pair of Dorothy-like sparkling red slippers. If they click these dazzling heels together, perhaps like Dorothy they’ll suddenly realize the POWER for change is within their own two feet. So get out of those germ infested houses and allow the fresh air and sunshine to reveal the “personal liberty” you deserve, but are being denied.
I believe you’ve caught the essence of the situation.
Well, it seems that the passage of our lives depends upon a number.
I still await reliable figures of excess deaths, which are the only true measure of this.
We know of course that the figures are being deliberately falsified to make them as high as possible. Doubtless there are some who are happy to falsify them.
In the meantime the Guardian is gorging itself on the latest horror number and lying in the way only it can to it’s readership. The sheeple are “loving” it of course.
I’m not sure it will end until they have us all strapped down in our homes. To be shot on sight if we dare step outside. Nothing less will satisfy these monsters.
If it were up to me I would have done nothing. I would have let the thing run it’s course. As it would. We know it only takes the very sick and elderly. Why should the lives of young and healthy people be sacrificed to prolong the lives of the old?
I am middle aged and my life is largely unfulfilled. I have always wanted to be married. I have always wanted a family of my own. I’ve been leaving it late. Now I must wait for government permission before even meeting a woman.
Will that time ever now come?
Your time will come.
We are living through what is probably the most extraordinary event in human history.
I know many will no doubt hate me for saying this, but in a way we are privileged to witness something that most humans throughout the eras have never witnessed.
The coming months are going to be very difficult indeed (I won’t soft soap it), but I do remain optimistic about the long term.
The most extraordinary stupid event in human history.
I don’t, but I’m a pessimist.
We are living through the collapse of capitalism, a global ecological collapse without real precedent in geologic time and the end of Western global dominance, one way or another. It has been certain since 1989, and all those stooges chipping away at the Berlin Wall had no idea.
“the collapse of capitalism” to be replaced with something even more oppressive and guaranteed to continue profits for the financiers and corporations.
The directors behind the scenes will use a script with a newer and a catchy title, but it will be the same production, by the same cast.
There is no way to know. But if you don’t live right each day going forward it never will happen. And maybe that’s the key thing anyway. We all make mistakes.
I have tried to read the Independent but the adds are insane making it neigh on impossible but I think the jist is that the UK lockdown is being implented illegally and that the Police do not have the powers to stop and demand someones details, nor can they demand to know the reason why a person is outdoors, if this is true, how many more unlawful abuses are being carried out in the UK? I also tried to read about an Australian Lawyer who is offereing free advice regarding covid19 penalties.
I am massively suspicious of this covid19 and placing the UK under house arrest and if this is not legal, why the bloody hell are people allowing it to happen, at what point do the people say enough is enough?
Also I read that UK and USA wish to get compensation of China which has me thinking if this is all a prelude to John Pilgers documentary about the coming war with China.
Message from China to US and UK:
“Deduct a certain amount for Covid-19 before sending us the cheque for the opium trade reparations – plus interest”
War with China?
War often bankrupts countries. The US and UK are bankrupt already.
98% of medicines on sale in the west contain ingredients from China.
If China were somehow destroyed?
Mmmm – how many people in the US and the UK rely on various medicines?
Yes: even my vitamin C comes from China (almost certainly).
When nations are bankrupt they go to war. Great way to repudiate the national debt and create a new currency regime.
The USA government considers China a major trading partner, a source for cheap production, a place where toxic manufacturing can be done cheaper, and as a major enemy.
Borderline personality disorder?
Oh god…bloody Versailles all over again. That didn’t end well.
So I take it no one here actually knows what rights uk subjects/citezens still have?
If people actually knew what rights they still had, then it would put the people at an advatage over the police and the govt, I would think it would be in the interest of a free and just press to publish exactly what rights we still have and how far police powers extend.
A “free and just” press would be termed “fake news”.
Individuals in non compliance with orders during a national emergency would be considered “terrorists”.
Disagreeing with supplied data would earn the title of “denier”.
All of this is already in place, and has been field tested, and proven to be effective, for over two decades.
the adds are insane making it neigh on impossible
Get a browser extension called Ublock Origin. Or, if you like a bit of a fiddle, UMatrix (my No 1 choice). Then add ClearURLs, HTTPz and Decentraleyes. Then you’ve got a sparkling clean internet. I’m on Firefox.
The media amplification of the COVID-19 message is n part owing to this, from MintPress News:
“…the Gates Foundation underwrites the entire Global Development section of the Guardian, and has given the British newspaper over $9 million. Studying its donation database, it transpires it has also contributed over $3 million to NBC Universal, over $4 million to the influential French newspaper, Le Monde, over $4.5 million to NPR, $1 million to Al-Jazeera, and an astonishing $49 million to the BBC’s Media Action program, to name only a few. He who pays the piper, it is said, calls the tune.”
The “mockingbird” media (smaller outlets copy-catting the larger ones) then take the message and run with it.
Add to that the “charitable donations” of the Gates Foundation – second largest donor to WHO, partner in the World Economic Forum, donations to and investments in Big Pharma, etc. – and we seem to have a successful global campaign by one billionaire oligarch. (And be sure to find Robert Kennedy Jr.’s statement on the Foundation’s “contributions” to the health of Africans and Indians, linked here at OffG, though I can’t find it at the moment.) The Constant Gardener, anyone?
The NHS has been turned into something like a cult. It’s concerning how the military are suddenly working hand in glove with the NHS. Yesterday on Radio 5 they had a 10 minute interview with a former Royal Marine who is now in senior managment in the NHS. My understanding is that police, NHS military etc were kind of kept apart, but this is obviously not how things are done now. Maybe this has been going on for a long time, but are we now seeing the reality of the fact that basically all the institutions are now completely infiltrated and managed by military/intelligence? This is fascism. We have had strong warnings about this kind of thing.
JFK A HAUNTING AND PROPHETIC SPEECH
the crossover that you talk about is government policy – it is in the fusion doctrine and it is in the rapid response memorandum – I’ve been downvoted here for saying this but the evidence is there for those who want to find it – there is no accountability of government – they all talk the same language and all talk the same shit!”
This should be game, set & match on the hoax:
Well worth the read, here are a few extracts:
Dave Rasnick has had exchanges with David Crowe about this, and concurs, “To my knowledge, they have not yet purified this virus.”
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Great article. Thank you.
Here are David Crowe and David Rasnick talking in a podcast in The Infectious Myth series, from 31st March. It covers a lot of the same ground:
Attempting to place the ‘index case’ in Wuhan is disinformation. It was introduced to Wuhan, accidentally or deliberately.
Whether it was introduced or not is inconsequential in terms of what is being said – 18 negative tests but because she had the symptoms & 3 others in the house had the same symptoms but tested positive she was presumed positive.
A flag should have been raised there – ie maybe the test is boll*x & the 3 other people have the same random illness as her which has nothing to do with a coronavirus.
Here is another article, besides the New York Times I post below, saying the US is undercounting the number of corona virus deaths. That should be obvious because the US still does not have enough testing equipment. https://www.moonofalabama.org/2020/04/us-will-cover-up-its-own-coronavirus-death-toll.html#more
Moon of Alabama has gone over to the other side … in a manner of speaking.
b denies the eisenhower rhineland open air camps
believes dresden a necessary evil
seems happy about germany paying israel billions in compensation until 2070
deletes comments on israel getting free dolphin class submarines from germany.
limited hang out like most places
How is it likely that undercounting is a problem, if state health authorities are instructing doctors to attribute respiratory cases to Covid-19?
They’re not “undercounting” anything. Any death is being recorded as a C19 death, if you haven’t noticed. They are hard at work trying to fart out a dramatic “pandemic” death number to make us scream wide-eyed like an audience in a Hammer horror movie. And the mendacious vermin at the NYT are the last people I’d trust on anything. Same for their ideological cousins at the Grauniad. In fact, hasn’t the Graun come out with a similar fairytale about “undercounted” casualties in the UK? All in it together, they are.
Grauniad is talking the other day about 900 new deaths in one day! FFS!
We can also find news saying the US is underreporting the number of corona virus deaths. https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/05/us/coronavirus-deaths-undercount.html
Peter Hitchens: the last real man standing.
another one of his excellent interviews this week where he tried to explain to anyone who will listen, that we are suffering a terrible madness.
Peter Hitchens – absolutely awesome.
A must watch interview.
Hitch schools millennial. The ABC of reporting is assume nothing, believe nobody, check everything. I don’t know that I’m right but I also don’t know that the government’s right.
Peter Hitchens – rational thought and sound reasoning and not enough are listening.
So well done .
This from GOV.UK
‘Registered medical practitioners (RMPs) have a statutory duty to notify the ‘proper officer’ at their local council or local health protection team (HPT) of suspected cases of certain infectious diseases.
Complete a notification form immediately on diagnosis of a suspected notifiable disease. Don’t wait for laboratory confirmation of a suspected infection or contamination before notification. Consult the PHE Notifiable Diseases poster (PDF, 1020KB, 1 page) for further information.
Send the form to the proper officer within 3 days, or notify them verbally within 24 hours if the case is urgent by phone, letter, encrypted email or secure fax machine.
If you need help, contact your local HPT using the postcode lookup.
For more detail on reporting responsibilities of RMPs, see page 14 of Health Protection Legislation (England) Guidance 2010.
All proper officers must pass the entire notification to PHE within 3 days of a case being notified, or within 24 hours for urgent cases.’
The gold standard of UK Notification Of Infectious Diseases.(NOIDs). Been around since diseases were discovered, or words to that effect!
In other words if any RMP even suspects a patient is infected by an infectious disease, for example covid-19, then it must and will appear in a NOID report, the results which are published weekly online for our perusal. Therefore NO covid-19 infection, let alone an associated death will escape reporting. The first UK covid-19 infection thus reported appears as far as I can see no earlier than week 10(ending 08/03/2020), where 3 patients were reported. Susequent weeks up till week 14(ending 05/04/2020), yield increasing numbers, where in week 14 210 cases were reported. Not all will have died. So it begins to look as if the number of deaths are somewhat exaggerated.
scroll down to second/third last page for where –
‘Notifications not shown or not shown seperately in the main table’ and the coved-19 figures await.
There is lots of evidence that this virus can be very serious for those who are susceptible to its effects.
There is an increasing number of emergency doctors adapting their treatment as they understand COVID-19 and its serious effects more.
Nevertheless, it’s also becoming obviovery clear that in dealing with this new variant of SARS, we have collectively fallen into a mass hysteria and probably mass psychosis.
I don’t believe the COVID situation to be a conspiracy per se, people are genuinely concerned and fearing death itself. To put into perspective, this the first serious virus pandemic in an age when everyone is inter-connected via social media as well as open to the flood of clickbait and corporate agenda “news” of the MSM. It’s all combined to create a toxic mass hysteria across the planet, we are reacting to the virus illogically.
There are inevitably some governments, regimes and other self-interest groups who will take advantage of this unique crisis and mass psychosis for their own benefit, but that’s always been the case since time immemorial. This is what we really need to be very wary of going forwards.
Nonsense such as people pouring out of their homes en masse to clap for ‘Our Dear Leader’, clapping for ‘Our Heroes’, police officers patroling supermarket aisles and inspecting the contents of shopping baskets for “non essential” yet legally sold items is no different to living in a totalitarian state.
The only way that this can be stopped and reversed is through mass civil disobedience (but peaceful) once the COVID death rate starts to plummet soon, if the totalitarian behaviour still continues into the late spring and beyond. Although I’m not really convinced that compliant sheep will show much resistance to being herded by barking mad dogs.
I don’t believe it is a conspiracy at all, but the complex way in which the world now works (or did work) has led to it.
I don’t mean to be flippant (or perhaps I do) but death is not something new.
It is my contention that this hysteria has been fuelled by the way in which people in technologically advanced cultures now handle (or rather fail to handle) death.
The absurd “death is a tragedy” meme has permeated our cultures. People parrott this without thinking about it. If this is your attitude then life has to be a fairly miserable experience for you. Because you ain’t going to avoid it! It’s not a love-it-or-hate-it thing.
A cousin of my father in her sixties died last year from cancer. Apparently she was in some sort of care home and died peacefully and was at ease with the whole thing. I cannot see where the tragedy lies in this. It is a normal and perfectly natural part of the human experience. And ultimately nothing to fear.
No these are crimes and lies. THIS IS 100% A CONSPIRACY. Maybe there is no new pathogen, maybe they released a bio-weapon, maybe bats in Wuhan causesd a new virus, it doesn’t make any difference, because the orchestrated, pre-planned actions which have been taken are proofs of the conspiracy. This is the part the criminals are controlling centrally and dictating to everyone else.
Also, just like the “shoddy intelligence” (planted lies which criminal plants in the government presented to everyone as credible) which brought us the WMD lies which were published to create hysteria, fear and act as justification for the illegal invasion and occupation of Iraq and the Middle East, the government came out and lied about how many people were going to succomb to Covid19 . They said 500,000 at one point then once they got the change of direction they wanted they reduced the figure to 20,000 to regain credibility from the lies they deliberately released and to get themselves off the hook but these are essentially the actions of criminals in the act of committing a crime in full view of the public
What’s changed since the last pandemic, apart from our complete attachment to always-on devices, is that a huge proportion of people, especially Millennials, have become extremely narcissistic. Their extreme narcissism cannot allow them to accept that they are mere mortals like the rest of us. This inevitably leads to a psychological crisis if they believe the invisible killer is about to pounce upon them.
This political & economic horror show, that we are going through today has so many parallels to the other great scam of our age, the War in Carbon, that I hope many will now see for the fraud it is and I hope this Covid scam exposes that it too is a US Psyop being played out in plain view.
Both sought to assert their credibility on scientific model predictions, In both cases the initial data was exaggerated and pumped into the machines to give the desired result, which owed more to political & economic ambition than to genuine science. In the case of the War on Carbon, it was based on the falsehood of an infinity increasing temperature rise, which no natural process might ever curb, unlike every other instance of temperature rise. Also bases on the assumption that it was happening as a result of co2 in the atmosphere. so we were left with the absurd prediction that we will be cooked alive unless we acted in 12 years to reduce, the plant food, co2 in the atmosphere.
Covid was also based on incorrect data knowingly entered into computer models. Any shop assistance can tell you that if you only include people who are very ill from a disease, with previous conditions, and exclude the thousands or even millions who had no or only mild symptoms, then you will have a very high death rate. This was no mistake, it became clear following the German reports and the Oxford study that this was a fraud.
Once they were able to predict the absurd 500,000 deaths in the UK by cooking the death rate and the expected infection rate, they could panic any reluctant government into locking up the entire population.
Both causes depended massively on media, controlling of the story, censorship and the blocking of any serious challenges to the chosen scientists. Only approved scientists were allowed to feed evidence to government, all other sources and challerges were marginalized had their funding cut off and demonised, exactly what is happening now.
The achievements of the Covid operation are very similar to those of the War on Carbon, large transfers of wealth to US corporate sector through tax incentive and green grants and the impoverishment of the working population, the damaging of small & medium sized businesses via regulation or economic destruction and unusual restrictions on the daily lives of the working population.
Unlike in the war in carbon, the war on Covid has been much more effective and far quicker than the war on carbon in achieving its targets of Corporate welfare, impoverished small bushiness and totally restrained media, democracy and population.
I suspect the War on Carbon will pick up the reigns of oppression when the war on covid is allowed to subside slightly. There are many now pointing at the destruction of our economy as a victory for the environment.
For the USA the war on carbon had no downsides because they never signed up to any of its expensive regulatory constrains or taxes, they exempt themselves from all its burdens after their scientists and ‘environmentalists’ groups had persuaded the rest of the world to sign up to its burdens, reducing their own economic competitiveness.
The US played a blinder and had tricked the world into fighting Carbon and even the Carbon units (us) as they reaped the benefits of cheap energy and an unregulated industrial sector as they try to rebuild their own economy..
It could also be argued that the US have made us pay, via dollar QE, for their 6 trillion in corporate loans just announced last week, which may eventually cause the collapse of the dollar, but until then act as a tax on all dollar holders around the world, as they find the currency they hold, is devalued incrementally by the addition US QE. In other words the US is pumping our money into their economy as long as we overseas hold USD debt snd currency.
Remember real science doesn’t need censorship it doesn’t ban opposing voices and it doesn’t need to censor the public, because it can easily win any argument, only when it is lying does it need protecting.
I was thinking the same today re: climate change. I have long thought ‘climate change’ some kind of hoax but it had been slightly too big a leap for me to believe it was an organised conspiracy by many governments. In the light of the ‘coronavirus’ situation, not any more. I wonder how many others will be making those kinds of mental leaps in future as a result of the coronavirus?
If a scientist performing an experiment with mice wishes them to gather at points A nd B in a maze, then he doesn’t conspire with them. He merely places cheese at points A and B and waits for nature to take its course.
If a rich man with enough money to employ many scientists wishes them to promote theory A or theory B, then he doesn’t conspire with them. He merely makes it lucrative to promote theories A and B and waits for nature to take its course.
Why, when ALL the Academies of Science and scientific societies on Earth and 98% or so of active climate scientists say something is so, do you believe that it is a ‘hoax’? Why when global average temperatures are unambiguously rising, with the last five years the warmest ever recorded, and permafrost, montane glaciers, sea ice, permafrost etc all furiously melting, and coral reefs bleaching, repeatedly, worldwide, do you believe this is all a ‘hoax’?
Speaking purely personally, I believe the whole Covid scenario has highlighted for me EXACTLY how a consensus involving 98% of scientists COULD exist while not reflecting all that much of reality, if any, at all. Without wishing to start a fight, merely offering my view for the sake of perspective, the earth appears to warm and cool, as historic data seems to indicate, and everything else, every institutionalised human element, is at least up for a second look.
I think that this is a bad comparison. I would not say that there is a consensus among scientists about covid-19, as this site has actually demonstrated.
What we see is a propaganda campaign by the msm. And what we see is medical practitioners being forced to follow orders from the medical establishment and above.
There’s no ‘consensus’ because we know next to nothing about SARS CoV 2, or CoVid 19. Everyone is jumping to conclusions, but reality is the medical system stress.
Well that ‘view’ is simply misguided. The Earth rarely, if ever, warms as rapidly as it has over the last 200 years. Generally, when it does, it ends in catastrophe. You are mistaking human time for geologic time. As for ‘second’ looks-climate science has had tens of thousands of them.
That such tripe gets 29 (so far)upvotes is hilarious. There have been numerous times in planetary history when rises in atmospheric carbon-based greenhouse gases have caused temperature increases of several degrees Celsius and mass extinctions. CO2 is plant food, but plants DIE in droughts and floods caused by climate destabilisation. Look to the Great Barrier Reef, bleached for the third time in the last five years, and to Australian forests, being destroyed by repeated and increasingly frequent mega-fires for refutation of that ludicrous canard.
There are orders of magnitude MORE wealth involved in continuing the fossil fuel death-cult than ANY Green initiatives, and FAR more jobs in environmental business than coal or oil, which also leave their communities devastated by local pollution, or mercury, other heavy metals, fly-ash etc. As for the USA benefitting from using its fossil fuels, I assume you are referring to the ‘fracking’ Ponzi scheme that massively pollutes US water supplies for zero effect but mountains of unpayable junk debt and local earthquakes, too. As for ‘real science’ that does not mean whatever the Dunning-Krugerites want it to mean.
Richard, your whole ‘argument’ is based on the argument of authority (if 98% of scientists say so, it must be true) and ad hominem (Dunning-Krugerites). That is not helping you or me in any way to understand if global warming is or is not a fact.
BTW, most important inventions were made by people who were not part of the group think and who were ridiculed in their own time. Think of Copernicus, Semmelweis, Socrates, Jezus, etc.
Hardly-if not ‘authority’ in science, then what? Industry disinfo, that the denialists quote as if they were ‘authorities’ in anything but lies and misrepresentaion? As for the Dunning-Krugerites, that is description, not ‘ad hominem’. And if you think that the climate destabilisation denialists are in any way comparable to the figures you put forward, then I despair. As for the science in Copernicus’ time and that now, they are incomparable, and Copernicus was only restating knowledge known to the Greeks, Hindus, Chinese and Arabs for some time.
Dr Scott Jensen
I’m amazed that Fox news actually broadcast this?
Can’t see any of the UK presstitutes being able to expose this…..
Those that are capable of Critical Thinking even in times of manufactured FEAR are so few, that WE don’t stand a CHANCE against a multi-million Herd of Ignorant People.
And to make thing worst many of those so called doctors and scientist – which clearly they aren’t – that PROMOTE and SUPPORT such moronic behavior due to theirs official statements and opinions are on the 1st place of people responsible for this Collective Stupidity.
“Be careful when you follow the masses. Sometimes, the M is silent”
– Anonymous –
Could be the mini manifesto of the Dunning-Krugerites. Who needs science? Not us!!!!!!!!!!!
Craig Murray wrote in March that
I think the numbers support his argument and I believe there will turn out to be more deaths from Hong Kong flu than from Corona virus.
First you need to compare like with like. In 1968 the population of the UK was approximately 55 million, it is currently around 66.5 million, so 78,000 deaths due to Hong Kong flu in 1968 would be the equivalent of around 94,000 deaths for the current population (of course given the fact that the average age in 1968 was 72 and it is now over 80 the adjusted Hong Kong flu figures for the current population should be even greater but I am not a statistician).
The Diamond Princess is probably the best statistical sample for Covid 19 as it became a breeding ground for the virus:
So anyone who survived the breeding ground without being infected was probably not susceptible to infection.
Plus they tested practically the entire ship and the testing revealed that over half of the people infected showed no symptoms:
If you look at the Diamond Princess overall statistics, you arrive at a crude mortality rate of 0.3% and a case fatality rate of 1.7%.
Total number of Passengers & Crew
No. infected showing no symptoms
% infected showing no symptoms
Crude Mortality Rate (CMR)
Case Fatality Rate (CFR)
If you apply that crude mortality rate of 0.3% to the latest estimate I could find from the ONS for the UK’s total population of 66.4 million you arrive at an expected number of deaths from Covid 19 of 200,000 people.
However, you also need to adjust for age. If you look at the Italian statistics you will see that the thing about this disease is that essentially you have to be over 60 and already sick to die of it.
In Italy, only 5% of the 16,654 deaths were people under the age of 60, half of whom were in the 50 to 59 age group. Furthermore, in their statistical sample only 3% of all patients (including those over 60) did not have a co-morbidity.
Again taking the Diamond Princess cruise ship as an effective statistical sample and separating out the passengers and crew you get the following statistics:
If you take the higher passenger crude mortality rate of 0.5% for the passengers and apply it to the over 60 population in the UK of 15,838,666 you get an expected number of deaths from Covid 19 of 71,292.
So you end up with a number for the UK that is both less than the absolute number of deaths for Hong Kong flu in 1968 (78,000) and is some 15% less than the number of deaths for Hong Kong flu as adjusted for the current population (94,000).
So are we dealing with:
or #Incompetent Gov?
You’re right I think, but sadly at this point I feel like discussing statistics and numbers not adding up is like starting a discussion about if 1+1 really equals 2, in other words you’re entering a discussion about something that should be self-evident to anyone who isn’t under some kind of spell. Sadly a lot of people seem to be under exactly such a spell at the moment. And I don’t think logic will wake them up. Still you’re right I think and we should keep trying.
Latest info from NL
Some facts: 24% of all confirmed Covid19 cases is health care personnel!
Which confirms my suspicion as almost everyone in my hospital coughed, and I had symptoms (very mild) myself (in the weekend fyi)
They test more since 6 April, mainly elderly and vulnerable patients. So that will increase the CFR for Covid19 for sure
Even so, after a continuing streak of warm sunny weather in NL, the number of hospitalizations for Covid19 (graph aantal in ziekenhuis opgenomen patienten) continues to plummet!
Same for daily deaths, total no of ICU admissions and PCR positives
So get outside, get a tan, enjoy the sun as long as you can.
But don’t forget to wear sunscreen as Baz Luhrmann sang
I am in Greece, and despite the lockdown supposed to last to April 27 at least, quite a lot of people were moving around outside because the weather was sunny (a high of 23 Centigrade). It is to reach a high of 24 tomorrow.
I think we could have given them a run for their money, temperature-wise, today.
Thank Willem. 🙂 But sod off with the sunscreen – it is poisonous shite.
And now this:
This is surely some bizarre ‘real-fake’ news via the backdoor of a supposed ‘leak’. If it is, then the PTB are feeling the heat of constant and reasonable criticism from experts on the absurdity of shooting the horse to save it from the virus.
Let the Fearphoria Games rage on!
Admittedly I barely even look at the headlines in the mainstream media anyone, but has anyone seen any stories at all about the effects of the lockdown on real people? The businesses and education dreams ruined, the petty inconveniences of everyday life now?
Imagine if, let’s say. a travel company had gone bust – the stories in the mainstream media about people’s holiday ‘misery’ and plans shattered as a result of the ‘fat cat boss’ would be all over the newspapers. Now we have millions not only with their holidays ruined but not earning and out of jobs too. Women who cannot have fairly basic services like having their hair cut (where is the Guardian on that, I wonder? Imagine if anyone else except the Guardian’s government sponsors had been responsible for subjecting women to that degradation).
But nothing in the media about these millions of stories and concerns, just government propaganda. I assume either the media are forbidden from reporting anything negative about people’s situations or they are voluntarily not doing to please their backers.
Even more sinister, you’ll see that on professional forums of various kinds that anything complaining about the situation or highlighting grievances and hardships is shut down. And not mentioning any names, but certain well-known supposedly independent commentators on the internet appear to be being rather coy about the whole crisis.
But on a brighter note, it’s a lovely day here in the UK and many more cars and people are out than at the start of the lockdown – it almost feels like a normal day. Happy Easter!
‘Anymore’ not ‘anyone’, obviously. Sorry
RT not allowing any comments now.
“has anyone seen any stories at all about the effects of the lockdown on real people? ”
This got some coverage on the BBC because it involves a reasonably well-known sportsman but it’s the tiny tip of what must be a concealed iceberg….
“Former England spinner Shaun Udal fears his Parkinson’s condition may seriously deteriorate after losing access to some of his vital treatment. Ex-Hampshire and Middlesex player Udal, 51, revealed last April that he has the progressive neurological condition. His muscular reactivation treatment has been suspended because of the coronavirus pandemic. “It’s been challenging,” Udal told BBC Radio Solent. “There’s been a marked difference in my shakes…. “Thankfully I’m not at the back-end stage, but the muscle reactivation treatment was really helping me with my speech and the dragging of my legs,” Udal said. “Having that was really paramount to my weekly routine, helping me get through relatively pain-free….
But that’s been stopped for three weeks now and I’m really noticing the difference. It’s impacting my day-to-day life in terms of talking and walking””.
This should be the Groaniad’s stock in trade really shouldn’t it? Can just imagine a Marina Hyde piece sneering at the working classes and their multipack toilet rolls and crisps.
stories at all about the effects of the lockdown on real people”
2 years ago I lost the one person I was extremely close to. We were exceptionally close. Not everyone has that experience in life. I fell very ill during the following months, with very high temperature. If I pulled through it is because some acquaintances took me to emergency and then had me stay with them for more than a month and nursed me in a way few would nurse someone they hardly knew. After that I spent most of the last 2 years traveling (colleagues got me transferred for a some months so I would be in a different environment) and staying with or near kindly acquaintances. In short its really because of the human warmth I met with that I believe Im still here.
Today with the lockdown Im locked up in the home we shared all alone: I have no right to see anyone, go anywhere, nor has anyone the right to come and see me. Im just about at the stage where incessant support on the phone is keeping me going, and the work I do (which can be done from home) and which when Im immersed in (Im once again able to since the last months, thank God), I forget everything. More than work its like a calling you may say.
However had I lost this person only last year or more recently, and even more so now, when you are not allowed to be with anyone, then I would have simply died, or possibly become insane with deep depression.
I heard of someone who has indeed last week lost someone close (not from Covid, but an unfortunate accident, he was young). She lives alone in a city different from where her family is. She has no right to go to the funeral, to be with her family. The country I am in, out of fear of covid, people have become inhuman: even people in the same building are afraid to visit neighbours. (For police arent going to come and see inside buildings: I can understand the fear of police and army; it needs courage to defy them, but not the inhumanness coming from fear of a virus). So she is alone, all alone.
I would not like to be in her place. And Im sure there are many like her.
The measures are more than inhuman: in many situations, it can be utter cruelty, utter torture. Its bad enough otherwise…
I wouldnt really understand what its like losing someone really close . But 6 years ago, I lost so much blood, through internal bleeding (ulcer complications) I collapsed and nearly died on 4 separate occasions within a short period. Gradually as I recovered I discovered I had brains, focus and energy I never had before. Some say it was the numerous blood transfusions gave me this – maybe but there was something else which kept me alive and made me stronger.
Perhaps there was something guiding you too and you will feel a similar strength. I didnt realise until a few years later. Things happen for a reason.
I still don’t know anyone who knows anyone who’s got it.
Neither do I, although admittedly the reported figures are low. However despite this a Nightingale hospital is being set up.
I just took a quick look at comments in the Guardian. This stood out as a reinforcement of Guardian-centric mindset and an emotional appeal for upvotes….it is literary happy-clapping for liberal pretend lefties.
Imagine having that for a internal monologue.
Thanks for sharing that.
Sneer and smear, typical Guardian.
The Tories are using the Left ( or a controlled version of it) as cover. They did the same in the Iraq War, pretending it was all for humanitarian reasons. Sadly they usually seem to oblige.
Same with the NHS – it’s a just a cover. Everyone would laugh if Johson told the truth – “Stay home, save MI6”
Yeah Starmer it was him and Thornberry that torpedoed Labours chances in December with his banging on about a second referendum. And the idiots in the Labour Party just voted him in.But you know what he looks like a leader doesn’t he? Another neoliberal stooge ready to defend big business by stopping real democracy in the Labour Party.
“Legacy of coronavirus pandemic must be a new Keir-led society’
To quote the inimitable John Junor: “Pass the sick bag, Alice!”
Too early for ‘Keirtastrophe’?
do you mean this Keir Starmer?
In July 2008, Attorney General Patricia Scotland named Starmer as the new Head of the Crown Prosecution Service and Director of Public Prosecution. Appointed as Director of Public Prosecutions in Gordon Brown’s hopeless fag-end New Labour Government back in,Sir Keir’s job was to find ways of not charging corrupt politicians caught defrauding the taxpayer by fiddling their expenses.
On 11 September 2008, Malik Mannan stabbed his 26-year-old wife Sabina Akhtar to death. During their short marriage, he was violent to her on 25 separate occasions; two months before her death he threatened that he was going to come home with a knife and “slaughter” her. He is currently serving a life sentence. And who else to blame but Mannan for what was a truly despicable crime? According to Sandra Horley of Refuge, we can also blame the police and the Crown Prosecution Service for Akhtar’s horrendous murder. Horley believes that, under human rights legislation, the authorities had a duty to protect her right to life, a duty that they signally failed to carry out. Helena Kennedy QC agrees that there are sufficient grounds to sue the Greater Manchester Police and the CPS. They see this as a test case, one which may bring about a change in policy in the area of domestic violence.
In February 2009 he approved a decision not to prosecute the keystone cops over the illegal fatal shooting of Charles de Menezes on the London underground four years earlier.
In July 2010, Starmer announced the decision not to prosecute the police officer Simon Harwood in relation to the death of Ian Tomlinson; this led to accusations by Tomlinson’s family of a police cover-up. After a subsequent inquest found that Tomlinson had been unlawfully killed, Starmer announced that Harwood would be prosecuted for manslaughter. The officer was acquitted in July 2012, but dismissed from the police that September
For these achievements amongst others he was appointed in 2014 ‘Knight Commander of the Order of Bath’ (KCB) for “services to law and criminal justice”.
He also worked sporadically (to the tune of a small fortune) for law firm Mishcon de Reya, notorious as one of three firms that brought arch Remoaner-mong Gina Miller’s High Court legal challenge, chucking spanners in the Brexit works and costing the taxpayer £millions in order to delay Appeaser May invoking Article 50.
Keir Starmer is also a member of an organisation that believes, we the people have too much freedom too much democracy – the Trilateral Commission
Don’t forget his leadership in the lack of prosecutions regarding Saville and his accomplices or in the false imprisonment of Assange with the ‘don’t you dare get cold feet’ memo to Swedish prosecutors who had decided there was no chance of persuing the fake rape charges.
Shome mishtake? Fear-led society, shurely? – Ed
You’ve got to laugh!
And all through the election when Labour were fighting the election on ‘duh it’s about the NHS …stoopid’ they were focusing on brexit and Corbyn and the fake judaeophobia.
It’s ok now they got their boy and girls in charge ( the anti brexiteers!) who will ‘engage with the government ‘ abandoning their fake anti-brexit stance to rubber stamp a hard one, on the back of this crises and a ‘coalition of the willing’ – just like Clegg did in 2010 – knifing their supporters in the back. No not knifing, screwing them front, back and sideways.
Starmer was a traitor who threw Corbyn under a bus. Why would he be trusted? He is all for himself and is a centrist, if not right of centre.
Where are the lockdown Authoritarians dining?
Where are they holidaying?
Where are they taking their kids for entertainment?
How are they filling their down time?
How long can they last in a state of ennui?
These, and many other questions, will become obvious as today’s news becomes tomorrow’s fish and chip wrappers.
David Geffen confirmed he was coping well in a tweet from his $590m superyacht in the Caribbean with its crew of 45.
Currently looking at death announcements in corporate-media for “Covid-19” in April thus far. As you might know, these have been quite hefty.
All of them report a number for cases where there is no underlying (pre-existing) illness (so, the number of cases where it becomes possible to attribute the death to “Covid-19” uniquely [although I doubt this can very rarely by done in the UK]). This number is never larger than 50. On one day, only 4% had no pre-existing illness.
There will be a follow up to this:
Hiding the truth in the lies, all part of the coronavirus swindle: Eddie Large and 568 others
That’s a good article. I hadn’t thought of the fact that Large must have got it in hospital.
I note that spin doctor Derek Draper is apparently in hospital with cv19. I wonder if we would be hearing about this though if he was in hospital with anything else?
Talking of spin doctors, does anyone know how Dominic Cummings is getting on? Last heard of (by me anyway) he was self-isolating at home with symptoms. The stress of being the power behind the throne can’t have been doing his immune system much good, and rumour has it, he’d been hitting the sauce, and I don’t mean H.P.
The front page of the Groaniad today was going on about “hundreds” of people in care homes dying, and not being included in the numbers.
No doubt the underlying message was: “You think it’s bad – but it’s actually much worse than you think!” – Fear porn, in other words.
Well even under the Coronazi Enabling Act 2020, I presume a doctor still has to sign a death warrant, sorry, death certificate for people in care homes, even if he is now allowed to make up the cause of death, so long as it is COVID-19. So why wouldn’t these deaths (which may well be in line with normal numbers – old people tend to have the diseases of old age – be included in the figures, even if slightly delayed?
I was wandering around the ONS website, trying to get a feel for trends in weekly death figures (how morbid we have all become lately), when I found a useful breakdown, relevant to my comment about care homes.
On the following webpage, certified death numbers are broken down by location, and total and the number involving Covid19.
For Week 13 (W/E 27th March) we have:
Care Home Number of deaths: 2,489 Number of COVID-19 deaths: 20
So, not many in care homes, at least as registered on the death certificate.
Unsurprisingly, most registered covid-19 deaths were in hospital: 501 out of 5,105
(most by a long way – so, about 10% of hospital deaths were covid-19 ).
Looking at it another way: “The analysis shows that of deaths involving COVID-19 in Week 13, 92.9% (501 deaths) occurred in hospital with the remainder occurring in hospices, care homes and private homes.”.
A lot of other interesting stuff there.
I made my regular sport today, of an assault on the comments section of the guardian. I was called a Russian by the ‘house trolls’, and promptly ‘moderated’ and half my comments deleted as usual, for questioning government policy on lockdown, after only an hour of fun.
The whole page was full of the usual irrelevant & pointless comments joined by those intent on creating fear and panic, which is what the Guardian likes. I was very annoyed to see they left up comments citing death raters of up to 2, 3, & even 7%, which is just criminal, given the real figures are way below that at 0.04-0.01% but that did not surprising me as the Guardia are trying to add to the hysteria, not inform the public.
Here are a few of my excellent observations, many of which were promptly deleted:
”So if Imperial colleges projections of 500,000 dead, which you claimed provoked you into the lock-up of the British people, have been revised down to current projections of 20,000 dead, which is a pretty normal flu season death total, why has the government NOT revised down it’s response to what is now a pretty manageable virus outbreak ?”
They immediately deleted these in the form of question that real journalists might ask:
”Minister: How many people are going to die due to deferred medical treatment in the NHS ?
Minister: How many people are never going to work again, following this economic crisis that you and your government have created ? ”
”Minister: According to Imperial Colleges projections, how many people are never going to work again, following this economic crisis that you and your government have created ?”
”Minister: given Imperial colleges terrible record in model projections, and their history of errors, do you think you should have entrusted the future of the whole British economy to these people ? ”
”There must be a very large number of 130 to 150 year old people in the UK, dying from this virus, given that the average age of death from this virus is 81 years old as shown in figures from Italy, yet all I see in the news in the UK are middle age people and children dying of the virus. ”
Excellent observations. Keep battling away.
The Guardian deserve contempt. Never being a reader, I struggle to think of any scenario where the guys who set up Off G were once fans. But perhaps sometime before their hard drives were hammered to bits, and proper jounalists driven out there may have been some appeal.
Loverat I was once checking out of the library, holding a copy of The Guardian and an Indian lady said, “the only newspaper that reports foreign news fairly”, or something like that. I’m talking about the early 1980s, when the Telegraph still believed “blacks” began at the Irish sea and got more wild and woolly the further you went. The Times was still trying to be the daily suppository of the upper classes.
Apart from The Guardian you could trust the Financial Times on the basis that it had to report things accurately since many of its readers had investments at stake and would not tolerate disinformation.
All newspapers were affected by the decision to cut reporting in favour of opinion pieces and features, which began in the late 1980s and had nothing to do with competition with the Internet.
Having watched the FT play it’s part in a US orchestrated media campaign against Italy/Greece, with the Euro as it ultimate target, during 2011/12 , I know them to be as big liars as all the others. To me it looks like the oligarchs need real information, everyone else is just a victim being played.
“I was called a Russian by the ‘house trolls’, and promptly ‘moderated’
As a student of the language I’d call that an honour.
You’re now one of those statistics they use when they point out they’ve deleted 1,432,476,193,328 posts for misogyny.
I hope you got a screen cap for the next round of “What guidelines did this post breach?
So you think I was deleted for my terrible written English? I think there are worse than me there who seem to survive quite well.
You must realize that the jesters in government are fully IGNORANT in regard to basic stuff, specially basic stuff regarding Biological events.
In light of that, the jesters go ask the so called “professionals” how they must act.
And since [fake] doctors and scientists are in full stupid mode – if they were REAL doctors and scientist this wasn’t happening -, we are just witnessing in real time what a collective Herd of Stupid [with College degrees] People are able to due.
Well done comrade. Hope the Moscow gold reaches you safely. 🙂
There’s no virus, no. Nothing kills nobody. Flu. Just like your fantastic 12+10 “experts” said. Wonder what will be your next subject. You imagine and write these articles for living, I suppose.
There is no-one here who says that SARS-CoV2 does not exist.
There are many here who think the way the world ‘measures’ ‘CoVid19 cases’ and ‘CoVid19 deaths’ as about as objective as asking 100 men how many women on earth have big tits. In case you had not realised, different men have a different view on what ‘big tits’ constitutes…..
Dying from SARS-CoV2 is vastly different to dying with SARS-CoV2. Which is very different from being infected with SARS-CoV2.
The reason that folks question the official narrative is because it has about as much rigour as 9/11 propaganda, the IPCC global warming schtick and the ‘Russia is the biggest evil on earth’ hooey.
I’m not in a disagreement with the specifics you lay out above. BUT I see many people here who, during the last couple of weeks, have claimed that it’s hoax in order to panic people. No-one can or should deny that and try to rewrite history.
Many here know that the government response is a hoax. The virus and it’s severity is a whole different story, but facts about it have also been manipulated to justify government actions.
David Icke claims that the virus is a hoax because he wants to direct people who question government policy to take up an incorrect, extreme potion, and get slured with the same extremist tag that he is always slurred with. It’s called shitting in the punch bowl.
This allows you can make your false allegations against all people who question government, which is what you are dutifully doing.
I reckon you guys get what you deserve. Isn’t that the case in all democratic countries? I’m not from US and don’t wanna resolve your problems. Unless you ask, that is. But you’ve got plenty, I do see that.
Your post did not single out individuals, you made a blanket false allegation against offg, suggesting falsely that the 22 experts featured had said there was no virus. A LIE.
Oh, look who’s talkin’. Did I hurt you? Do you even feel hurt or do you enjoy that?Those “experts” (don’t know where you dug ’em out – quite an achievement – hurrah, maybe?) said (maybe fearing that panic will f**k up their pension plans) that the virus is just a flu. This is my final comment for any comment that may refer to my post. I see some below. Like the childish comment about virus infecting certain groups in society. I’m sorry but the virus is very democratic and doesn’t care who the f**k you are, what you wear, how old you are and how many like-minded friends you’ve got. But you guys don’t wanna get it. It’d be bad for your business. Why don’t I go and post my angry denouncements somewhere else and so forth? No need to. I don’t know how you were built and what is the ultimate goal you want to achieve. Chaos, I suppose. Gladly, I’m perhaps older than the most of you and may never see the world you’re aiming at. Finally, I think we’ve got some thing in common. It’s always appropriate and good to question the public or mainstream information. Always. Anyway, that’s how I’m built. But there’s a fine line where it should end. Goodbye.
You’ve posted this stuff before shit. In the interest of parity, why not go on the Guardian or the Mail and post angry denouncements of people who go completely over the top?
There are many views here, as elsewhere The important thing is Off G are following a very rational line based on whats known and using government figures and science. Its a question of interpretation of these facts. If you think this interpretion leads to the extreme actions then thats a view. Either way we should know soon whether these measures were proportionate or not. And the merits of questioning this is borne out by a long timeline of things they got wrong.
Those readers who go further into possible unevidenced scenarios perhaps are not being unreasonable given this track record. Nothing would honestly surprise me these days.
Because hoax can be interpreted two ways (at least):
1) There is no virus, everything is fabricated by the media
2) There is a virus, it’s killing people, but the media and some medical processes are over-inflating these figures (see video).
There are a couple in camp 1. Most in camp 2 (as am I).
As I see it, the virus is a problem, specifically to certain groups in society. Those people should be protected. Crashing the economy will cause imeasurable damage to far greater numbers of people than those who will die from this outbreak.
As I constantly ask of people who think the current approach is rational: how do we support a health service with vastly reduced tax revenue, vastly increased benefit payments, vastly increased inflation from money creation, vastly incrased national debt and collpased supply chains, both nationally and internationally?
Even if I accept that doing nothing (which is a false dilema as this is not, and should not, be a choice between do nothing and soft martial law) would have overwhelmed the NHS and cost lives in the ball park of Neil Ferguson’s initial estimates, the consequences I list above will break the NHS as we know it and leave far more ruined lives behind.
We needed a response of cool, calm precision. We got a hysterical madman weilding a flail.
Like namesake and fellow [email protected] Nial Fergursson’s drivel too…
The initial response of Herd Immunity was likely correct. So why was the PM pressurised into the opposite approach? Has the PM been moved sideways because of his beliefs? The outcome of the current lockdown policy is not going to help Brexit but might support Remain.
I think Sweden have likey got it right. Most of it’s detractors claim Sweden is doing nothing, which isn’t true, it is in fact putting some limitations in place and putting out guidelines to protect the vulnerable. The country currently has favourable outcomes compared to many (esp the UK). So why is still getting criticism? Alterior motives?
Shit it is at least possible that covid 19 doesn’t exist. They’ve faked everything else and the pandemic exercise 201 featured a novel coronavirus. That is suspicious is it not? All that’s required is a dodgy test and Bob’s your uncle. As someone said: the test IS covid 19.
And in some way it is a HOAX… One just needs to go READ the raw DATA, and also many of the scientific papers written about Influenza, Pneumonia, IAV, IVB, CoV etc, to realize that SARS-CoV-2 is not a powerful new strain of the Corona Virus Family!
A CLEAR example is the case of Italy… Just because the Main S H I T Media is now televising deaths of old weak Italians due to pneumonia in real time, that doesn’t mean this is UNUSUAL!
Just a small taste of what YOU CAN FIND if you want to!
August 8, 2019 (before this current FLU circus!)
Investigating the impact of influenza on excess mortality in all ages in Italy during recent seasons (2013/14-2016/17 seasons).
We estimated excess deaths of 7,027, 20,259, 15,801 and 24,981 attributable to influenza epidemics in the 2013/14, 2014/15, 2015/16 and 2016/17, respectively, using the Goldstein index. The average annual mortality excess rate per 100,000 ranged from 11.6 to 41.2 with most of the influenza-associated deaths per year registered among the elderly. However children less than 5 years old also reported a relevant influenza attributable excess death rate in the 2014/15 and 2016/17 seasons (1.05/100,000 and 1.54/100,000 respectively).
Over 68,000 deaths were attributable to influenza epidemics in the study period. The observed excess of deaths is not completely unexpected, given the high number of fragile very old subjects living in Italy. In conclusion, the unpredictability of the influenza virus continues to present a major challenge to health professionals and policy makers. Nonetheless, vaccination remains the most effective means for reducing the burden of influenza, and efforts to increase vaccine coverage and the introduction of new vaccine strategies (such as vaccinating healthy children) should be considered to reduce the influenza attributable excess mortality experienced in Italy and in Europe in the last seasons.
So, in some way this is INDEED A HOAX!
The virus, of suspect origin, is real; the well orchestrated global response is a hoax, a malicious xtrevilist deception.
Deception is the strongest political force on the planet.
What I say, Rhys, is that there no evidence for any special virus playing a genuine role at all in this alleged pandemic and there is clear evidence against it (all alleged patients we are shown in the media do not display symptoms) … and I have serious doubts about the virus strain SARS-CoV-2 existing at all – but it makes no difference whether it does or doesn’t, there is zero evidence it plays any genuine role. The alleged pandemic is a psyop and in psyops they don’t need real viruses or real pandemics, it’s all done with smoke and mirrors. The only thing for real in this alleged pandemic is that people die – but only as they always do – and I think it’s perfectly possible that a small number of people who have allegedly died are just people who wanted to conveniently disappear, just as people always have and which they do quite often in other psyops.
You believe what you want “shitstorm”, but this site has never said there is no virus.
Where do people like you come from?
Take a good look at the mirror and tell that you have not deliberately downplayed it all along.
Downplayed what? According to worldometer 16,193,000 people have died in the world this year to date. According to worldometer 97,000 from coronavirus. Coronavirus accounts for 0.60 % of the world’s deaths this year.
Why aren’t you wetting yourself over the 99.4% of people whose deaths have nothing to do with coronavirus?
There is a virus, there is a problem, but the threat is being massively exaggerated.
Buy your covid 911! war bonds now!
I wouldn’t like hysterical panicked surgeons doing my operation for me.
So why would I listen to people who peddle fear porn? There’s enough science and with a diligent mind go through the reports and statistics available, but not used by media outlets strangely you can work this out.
If we had no immune systems I’d be worried. But the media is acting like we don’t.
We do, no need to worry.
Well, they’re trying to.
Vitamin C is bad for you and don’t go out in the garden this weekend you might start synthesising Vitamin D. Hancock also threatened to ban our daily exercise. Getting some cardio work in will obviously be of no help if you come down with something that hits your respitory system.
Here’s the thing, there’s a place for pharmaceuticals. That place is after our immune systems fall short. Unfortunately it is not always enough and that’s a little more common these days after decades of eating crap and sedentary lifestyles (I’m looking at me, too, more the former than latter).
Don’t critical think, you will self combust.
let’s stick to the article whilst this happens:
Lack of vitamin D is directly connected to mental health. In the low countries supplements are provided in order to reduce teenage suicide. The best way to get vitamin D is to walk in the sunshine.
For years the BBC used to add a warning to its weather forecast: don’t spend more than 20 minutes in the sun. Horror! Cancer! Death! This in grey olde Ingerland, where entire summers can flit past without a fortnight of uninterrupted sunshine. Tempted to throw my shoe at the screen instead I became aware of the drip feed of propaganda.
Denial of easily observed phenomena, or common sense, is now called gaslighting. Was the BBC trying to render the population unhealthy or was it simply f**king with our minds in order to undermine our confidence in our own skills of observation.
Vitamin D is the enemy of the drug corporations profits….. it’s absence in our bodies can cause so many minor ailments.
And some major ones!
“Lack of vitamin D is directly connected to mental health.”
Odd, I didn’t know that hot countries had mentally healthier people.
There are a number of people that consider that maintenance of good “mental health” is not a matter which has anything to do with drugs. They usually don’t get to work for big pharma though!
As a Brit who has been living in Cyprus for the past 15 years, I had never thought about it before, but I must say that the people here do appear to be in better mental health than in the UK. You never see a local engaging in deviant acts like walking down the street talking to themselves. There is little violent crime and the streets are safe. Local youth may be boisterous at times, but does not engage in hooliganism or vandalism, apart from graffiti. I wonder if this could be down to the sun and an abundance of vitamin D? Of course, strong family values and extended family ties have to be considered as another factor.
There are probably a lot of factors as you say.
I’ve often thought that in highly seasonal geographies, like the UK, we probably developed a lifestyle around getting through winter (lack of food, dangers from the weather) and conserving energy. SAD might have it’s origins here. It may not jive well with a modern society expecting you to pull 8/9-5 or worse every day all through the winter.
Lack of vitamin D is also connected to asthma. I should know as I cured my asthma with vitamin D and a very relaxed paleo diet. I stopped taking it for a few days since I thought I was getting enough sun in the garden. (Paradoxically, I am spending a lot of time outside during lockdown.) However it probably wasn’t sunny enough since the asthma came back and I had to take my steroids. Back on the vitamin D and I’m fine. I have a great deal of sympathy for people at the moment whose symptoms include shortness of breath. I do think the importance of vitamin D should be more widely known about.
John, the answer to your question I discovered while working in the Emirates. The heat is so intense it is hard to stay outside. The result is that many Arabs suffer a serious vitamin D deficiency. A colleague from Pakistan said they have the same problem. People spend their lives in air conditioned shopping malls or inside the house. They have all the problems that result from that, mental and physical.
is this acceptable to the population as thousands lose their jobs … ?
I read that Bob, funny how those bar stewards always have money in the kitty for themselves.
Communities minister’s excuse:
These political chancers should be arrested if any of them take another £10k bribe when real people are losing their jobs and income. The political class at government and local level should be taking a a 50% wage reduction in these “difficult times”.
A relatively new study is now claiming that a novel human coronavirus that is named severe acute respiratory syndrome coronavirus 2 (SARS-CoV-2) (formerly called HCoV-19) that emerged in Wuhan, China causing a pandemic can remain for several hours to days on surfaces and in aerosols, a new study published in the New England Journal of Medicine found.
The study suggests that people may acquire the coronavirus through the air and after touching contaminated objects. Scientists discovered the virus is detectable for up to three hours in aerosols, up to four hours on copper, up to 24 hours on cardboard and up to two to three days on plastic and stainless steel. Apparently, the virus was assumed to be physically present in samples taken from the upper and lower respiratory tract of patients and an “inoculum” was obtained for the tests.
If you click onto the Methods section in the Supplementary Appendix of the article you will find that there is no further information about these alleged viruses used for the experiments other than this:
If you have the patience to then go through the paper by (Holshue et al 2020) they quote:
The reference to PCR by (Marra et al., 2003) is to be used in diagnosis (which doesn’t work):
The next quote refers to viral ‘isolates’ they obtained which are not pure isolated virus particles as I have mentioned elsewhere:
Marra, M. A., Jones, S. J. M., Astell, C. R., Holt, R. A., Brooks-Wilson, A., Butterfield, Y. S. N., Khattra J., Asano, J., K., Barber, S. A., Chan, S. Y., et al. (2003) Science 300, 1399-1404.
Again, no method was specified as to how the “isolates” were indeed purified at all, if that had been done then a figure would have been specified for the density gradient which the pure particles banded at, and the size of the particles would have been given along with an electron micrograph.
In other words, they never bothered to isolate the pure virus FIRST before using rRT-PCR in the studies – it turns out that they got the full genetic sequence of 2019-nCoV through the National Institutes of Health GenBank database. This was allegedly provided by Chinese researchers on January 7th 2020 but all you find in GenBank are genetic sequences and no original papers that claim to have isolated pure viruses by scientific methods (e.g. ultrafiltration and ultracentrifugation etc) other than PCR which was never meant for virus identification.
However, the most important factor is omitted from the current study. No mention whatsoever as to how the alleged viruses used in the study were first determined, identified or isolated from other particles and contaminants and whether or not any pure particles were separated in order to determine their genomes and proteins, and their infectivity.
Only after that has been successfully carried out can these experiments make any sense, and only then can they be conducted to determine how long any alleged viruses can persist on various surfaces under different environmental conditions. The problem is if the alleged viruses in question have not been purified how do we know that they are not just harmless exosomes or other microvesicles that are produced by our body’s defences to a toxic agents other than a virus that would probably yield the same or similar results?
So really, how are the authors of the study supposed to know what they are testing in the samples used if the alleged viruses they claim to be using have never been effectively isolated and obtained in a purified from all other particles that are not viruses? The answer is they don’t really know what remains from their samples after many hours –it could be anything but a virus.
Thank you for this.
The findings in the study you cite about how long the virus can stay active on various surfaces is contradicted by research carried out in Germany by Dr Hendrik Streek, in which no active covid19 viruses were discovered on any surfaces whatsoever in households containing several highly infectious persons. Sadly, I only know this from a German TV interview of Dr Streek, so do not know how his research team tested whether or not the covid19 virus is present in the first place, in active or inactive form. Interesting nonetheless that his research contradicts that published in the NEJM.
Thanks for replying, I’m glad that at least somebody agrees with the stuff on alleged pathogenic viruses that I am posting. These viruses get the blame for everything without any concrete and conclusive scientific proof that they are the true cause of anything!
I understand that Dr. Hendrik Streeck is the director of the Institute of Virology and Institute for HIV Research at the University Bonn. He conducted a pilot study and found that contrary to original assumptions, he has not been able to prove transmission via door handles and the like (i.e. so-called smear infections).
Nothing via doorhandles, toilet seats, kitchen surfaces, cloths, hair, in the air, and not even on cats!
I too have come across contradicting research – on aerosol transmission. Cant find the link but described as not the main driver of infection. Then we have tabloids saying we should watch out for joggers breathing on us outdoors. So need to give them a wide swerve. Just think they’ve shut down the country based on hunches and guess work.
Even the distancing measures are arbitrary. Joe Public thinking that at 2 metres they are safe but at 1.9 metres….ooh, don’t know what you might catch. And we have shut down the whole country on the basis of a measurement that some ‘expert’ has plucked out of the air and probably has no effect whatsoever.
Whats that old saying, rubbish in rubbish out. Very informative post.
You are correct and there’s plenty of rubbish around – anything but the proof that I believe everyone wants, namely, that this alleged disease causing coronavirus physically exists and indeed is infectious. But that won’t happen.
Unfortunately, the powers that be have been coming up with all sorts of rubbish that people are nevertheless falling for and making out that this ‘pandemic’ is all down to this deadly virus as its the easiest way to con the population who have been indoctrinated by medical propaganda and germ theory for decades. While at the same time the economy and financial system continues on its downward spiral into oblivion.
blinded by ‘science’
No blinded by the dogma that speaks in the name of science: for it is not founded on sufficient or any reproducible observation/experiment, nor does it take into account any counter-observation/experiment. Its also as is usually the case of dogma illogical.
Do you mean that I am blinded by science, or you are blinded by science or we are all blinded by science?? Please be a bit more specific.
If science is the problem then I can put things in very simple terms. The alleged deadly coronavirus or its ‘mutations’ has never been proven to physically exist by any scientist to date. I am not saying viruses do not exist, I am questioning the idea that single virus is or can be the cause of a single disease. I would further argue those who hold that coronavirus is the sole cause of Covid-19 symptoms that cannot be proven either unless all other interfering and intersecting causes can be effectively excluded which is extremely unlikely if not impossible.
This interview has me puzzled. It feels scripted and as if it could just be controlled opposition pushing out limited truth but when I looked up Senator Jensen he seems – unbelievably – to be genuine. Surely not. I’ll try emailing him and see what response I get.
There’s no point in endlessly pointing out the many and varied anomalies. Call it out for what it is – a Trauma-based Mind Control Psychological Operation in the guise of a live pandemic exercise – and look at the fallout. My speciality is analysing the psyops themselves not the fallout but I know that the fallout is the most important “part” of the psyop. OffG has published a few articles on this which is great … and we need more. Although they love hoaxing us anyway and maintaining a constant level of fear for better control, the fallout from this psyop is and will be enormous. What scares me is that with the constant psyopping of us they’re massively building the number of their collaborators. They’re just everywhere. I think of Nazi Germany – how many collaborators had to be involved for what happened to happen?
Jensen: Last Friday I received a 7-page document that told me that if I had an 86 year-old patient that had pneumonia that was never tested for COVID-19 but some time after she came down with pneumonia and we learn that she had been exposed to her son who had no symptoms but later on was identified with COVID-19 that it would be appropriate to diagnose on the death certificate COVID-19.
Anchor: Why would they want to skew the deaths to COVID-19?
Jensen: Well, fear’s a great way to control people. I worry about that. I worry we’re so darned interested in just jazzing up the fear factor, sometimes people’s ability to think for themselves is paralysed if they’re frightened enough and that’s not what I want people to be. I want people to say, “We’re going to get through this, I’m going to use my head, I’m going to go to different sources, I’m going to listen to different sources and I’m going to think for myself because that’s what America’s about.
“This interview has me puzzled. It feels scripted”
WHy don’t you just listen to what is being said. Maybe they rehearsed it beforehand!
John, I did listen and, as you can see, I transcribed part of it above. All that’s said is good but it still feels scripted – not saying it is – because as I say – I think Jensen looks genuine. When everything you get in the media is just straight lies or controlled opposition it’s hard to believe something genuine when it comes along.
In the pilot study by Dr Hendrik Streeck I have just referred to in my reply to Toby. Hendrik stated the he was not surprised that 31 out of 40 people died in the Heinsberg district.
” One of the deceased was older than 100 years, so even a common cold could have led to death”. Hendrik said.
Thanks, Tony. Obviously, massive scientific fraud is going on. The mind boggles, doesn’t it?
See this comment thread for what I believe exposes fraud on SARS-CoV-2 sequencing:
Obviously, the way they’ve conjured up “asymptomatic” and “false-positives” as if they’re two categories although they cannot be distinguished is another example of fraud, no? To me, this is a real litmus test. How can they possibly come up with these two categories without fraud? How can they know that a positive test for an allegedly asymptomatic infected person is not simply a false-positive?
– asymptomatic – infected but no symptoms
– false-positive – test positive but without infection
A further category might be symptomatic false positive in other words a cold.
Yes, you can test positive and be ‘asymptomatic’ i.e. and not necessarily have any symptoms, and also test ‘positive’ without infection, due to the test not being carried out correctly or for other reasons discussed below. But that’s only according to their logic.
The antibody tests for coronavirus are similar to those for HIV and both have never been properly validated as far as I am aware, which means nobody knows what their results really mean. Since the tests are chemical reactions to antigens, which are substances that provoke an immune response.
Many dozens of conditions can produce a positive result on these tests, including various prescription drugs that combine with proteins, drug abuse, toxins, flu vaccinations, past infection with malaria or other diseases, pregnancy, and liver disease, which can all produce a positive result when tested for coronavirus. Also, in any sample of the general population, a certain percentage will score “positive”, for reasons unknown.
As I have stated before antibodies to coronavirus are non-specific since the virus has never been isolated to use as a gold standard. The tests probably would not work even if the virus was isolated if any other underlying conditions or infections were present.
Since the tests have never been validated, and the virus has never been isolated, there is really no such thing as either a “false positive” or a “true positive”. Even among those who are tested “positive”, because nobody has ever demonstrated true viral infection, which would mean many whole, cell-free viruses in the blood.
Interested to ask, someone linked to two pages the other day. One is a paper (with a slightly suspicious name, I must say) called “SARS-CoV-2: an Emerging Coronavirus that Causes a Global Threat” in which they mention isolating the virus, and the other was a long list of ‘subsamples’ recorded by lots of countries.
I don’t know enough about isolating viruses to have an opinion, but I can dig out the links, if you would like a look?