WATCH: Perspectives on the Pandemic #3
“Is Our Fight Against the Coronavirus Worse Than the Disease?”
Journeyman Pictures sits down with Dr David L Katz to discuss an end to social distancing, the time-frame of vaccine development, and if the current cure may be worse than the disease.
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The Interviewee: Dr David L Katz is an American physician and former professor of public health. He has authored over one hundred academic papers, and is the former director of the Yale-Griffin Prevention Research Center and associate director for nutrition science at the Rudd Center for Food Policy and Obesity at Yale.
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The problem with these interviews is their point of departure begins with the false premises that the virus exists and is causing illness and death. This is simply not the case.
The last three minutes made worthwhile the slog through. The answer to the question, “Was the coronavirus weaponized in order to benefit the usual suspects?” is “Yes, the evidence is overwhelmingly.”- even if Dr. Katz’s default setting is to answer every question, “Sooner or later things will get better or worse, but only if we trust the people called experts today and reserve judgment and get more data until the experts arbitrarily decide what constitutes sufficient data.” Given the uncertainty which governs Dr. Katz’s mind, how could the data guys ever get out the door to collect it? We first need data to know if there is a risk to them collecting the data. In this way, the powerful are afforded eternal time to lord it over the weak and conduct their pillage. The weaponization of coronavirus proceeds here by way of the weaponization of impartiality. Dr. Katz’s inability to… Read more »
Certainty is the virus that renders this site’s ATLs to some extent and these BTL’s to an overwhelming extent the next best thing to totally fucking useless when it comes to their having anything at all effective to contribute to any effort to get the world’s more dominant societies out of the social, economic, political and environmental shit into which those societies have chosen to descend and thrash about in, so contaminating all the rest. Thank you for your contribution.
Oh, you are certain about the need for uncertainty, are you? To be consistent, you’d have to remain uncertain about the uncertainty you peddle as a virtue.
As for the accusatory inversion, you are the marketer, not I, nor this site, if the interview with you is any indication to go by.
And the world is no longer buying what you are selling, namely that we should remain uncertain about your villainy as such while you keep certainty that such an approach, sold as humility, will lead to your success in making out.
You can blame the people for their contamination through believing you and your ilk, you did so throughout the interview. “Buyer beware”, right?
Well, thanks for putting us on notice that in order to get out from under your control we will have to get wise to your game.
I think we have. Expect a fight.
Superb comments, Mr Culpa.
The sure sign of genius-at-work: Long run-on sentence containing complimentary f- and s- bombs, with gratuitous acronyms floating on top of a soup of smug self-assurance. While denouncing the “virus” of “certainty.” Yup. Genius.
Projected deaths amended from 500,000 to 20,000, how did they react? tighten the lockdown.
Hoax? Hysteria? Psyop? Who knows? Maybe. But suppose, just for a moment, that this is a genuine pandemic and health crisis. Just entertain the possibility – or even just the possibility that most people will regard it as such. 677,000 cases, 35,000 dead, 22 million unemployed in the US, with those figures (whatever you think of their accuracy) growing rapidly. What are the likely effects of all this in the short, medium and long term? Could it make radical changes (for the better) that would have been unthinkable a few weeks ago, possible or even inevitable? Could this be a golden opportunity to overturn the whole apple cart? The failings of crapitalism and corporatist globalism have been ruthlessly exposed for all the world to see. Unable to provide even basic medical supplies like gloves for hospitals. With a corrupt, incompetent, incoherent, ignorant, hopeless, faction-ridden political establishment floundering as it tries… Read more »
Then there is the psychological impact on people, as everything that has seemed solid and stable evaporates.
Of course, the consequences may equally well prove to be far from positive.
In similar circumstances an aimless drifter sleeping on park benches came from nowhere to lead one of the greatest nations on earth.
All bets are off.
Everything is up for grabs, for good or ill.
All anyone can do is roll the dice and see what happens.
It’s been planned in minute detail. Psychopaths do not play dice with the sheeple.
That’s what they’ve been saying since the beginning. Doesn’t make much sense though. The coronavirus teaches nothing except that governments are tyrannical and beyond democratic control.
We’ve been locked in our homes without the slightest justification that I can see. How does this possibly link to the financial system? Or green politics? Or a kinder type of totalitarianism that is allegedly superior to the democratic alternative?
It’s one great non sequitur repeated over and over for brainwashing purposes.
Its hard not to notice how the propaganda campaign for the Plandemic(TM) and Global Warming(TM) are so interlinked.
Dr. Shiva seems pretty sharp…. https://youtu.be/NjjybyJ59Lw
If the government closed care homes. How many self isolating, mask and glove wearing, don’t come within 2 metres screaming happy clappers would refuse to have their elderly relatives home I wonder?
Facial recognition can now track you down:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/world-europe-52157131/coronavirus-russia-uses-facial-recognition-to-tackle-covid-19
“You left the flat for one minute and they knew!”
But this is Russia. Couldn’t happen here.
Thank God we have face masks!
It’s actually designed to counter that!
What does it recognize the way that I walk.
Hot sun beating down
Burning my feet just walking around
Hot sun making me sweat
Gator’s getting close, hasn’t got me yet
I can’t dance, I can’t talk
Only thing about me is the way I walk
I can’t dance, I can’t sing
I’m just standing here selling everything
Well I was just going by that BBC clip and it strikes me now that the “We know it’s you even when you wear a mask!” may be just another bit of fearmongering bullshit.
Is the head of the political opposition in the UK retarded or has he had his life threatened? because he has just stood by and said nothing while his entire voter base, the working population of the UK, have just had their entire lives destroyed and he hasn’t said a thing he just stands there like a deer in headlights.
As the prosecutions of Assange and Salmond have shown, the judiciary is controlled by the unintelligent services. Thus, as a former DPP…
… and member of the Trilateral Commission. But probably not retarded.
Balls in a Vice? Perhaps.
🙂
more likely than retarded
My crystal ball tells me of some future nouveau labour government. It will make some pretty tinkling noises, such as going a little way towards bringing pensions back up to 2020 levels whilst bombing some African/South American country back to the stone age.
I expect he’s rooting out antisemites as that was his single most important job , he told us recently .
In fact all four labour leadership candidates said exactly the same thing and all at exactly the same time !
What an amazing coincidence.
Anyhow I dare say he is in Israel …. you don’t need a posh education and a knighthood to know that’s where the real hardcore antisemites hang out.
The British government hates the poor old and has implemented policies to murder them early for years. The Liverpool care path: murder via the starvation and dehydration in Hospitals, promotion of euthanasia: almost every year and the extension of the retirement age beyond the age when most British people are able to walk, let alone work.
Why do we just accept the fact that there is a massive flu outbreak every year, is that normal?, has that always happened? did it happen 60 years ago, or is it government policy? The British and US life expectancy has been going down for the past few years is flu doing that or just government policy ?
The NHS was infiltrated by the EU funded Marxist Common Purpose group which set up
Super Management system which blocked the investigations by Sir Brian Jarman who
was investigating the many hundreds of unavoidable deaths including around five hundred
at the Gosport Memorial Hospital and found he was being blocked constantly by the Common Purpose Management. The Police investigation into the deaths called it corporate manslaughter.
There it goes on the news again and again and again and again and again and again….
And I thought about that final scene from Orwell’s “1984” when Winston is blasted in a bar and staring up at the ubiquitous TV screen and realising how much he loves Big Brother. Yes, you the viewer will come to love COVID. COVID is now your lord and master. COVID cares for you. COVID knows your every wish, every desire, every secret.
In the beginning was COVID, and COVID was with God, and COVID was God.
Stalin would have loved what American CIA tech have planned for us, linking all the ‘sick’ dissidents together via their bluetooth on your mobile phones and, then locking them all up in ‘quarantine’. If some of them don’t come out alive of course it was the virus.
Get the system in place then murder the free thinkers or lock them up and torture them, just like dozens of CIA client countries do in the world today.
https://yle.fi/uutiset/osasto/news/48_residents_die_of_covid-19_at_helsinki_nursing_homes_11_in_kiuruvesi/11309312
60 out of 75 deaths in Finland are in care homes.
I can’t prove that there were government ‘doctors’ seen walking onto old peoples homes with pillows in their hands, but I know it’s true.
Got sent this, take note: Here are the official Coronavirus guidelines: 1. Basically, you can’t leave the house for any reason, but if you have to, then you can. 2. Masks are useless, but maybe you have to wear one, it can save you, it is useless, but maybe it is mandatory as well. 3. Stores are closed, except those that are open. 4. You should not go to hospitals unless you have to go there. Same applies to doctors, you should only go there in case of emergency, provided you are not too sick. 5. This virus is deadly but still not too scary, except that sometimes it actually leads to a global disaster. 6. Gloves won’t help, but they can still help. 7. Everyone needs to stay HOME, but it’s important to GO OUT. 8. There is no shortage of groceries in the supermarket, but there are many… Read more »
With apologies to Leo Sayer
Thank you, I needed that laugh!
If I wanted an ‘internet relationship’ with my family and friends I would join facebook or even twitter.
But I don’t want an internet relationship with anyone
I want a REAL relationship
This lousy government is denying me that opportunity – not because of anything I have done but because they are corrupt and criminal and see themselves as above the law of the land
Where is the resistance to this tyranny??????
I’ve drawn up a little poster and I have stuck it on my front door. I am also considering physically posting it on local noticeboards and delivering it through letterboxes
I’m trying to be creative in a reasonable manner and try to do something
So when I die I will be able to say AT LEAST I F**KING TRIED
If there is a mass walk out it should happen, on May 1st. People are protesting in the US.
Speaking about idiocy and statistics, here is some more
There is an inverse correlation between incidence of Covid19 and other bullshit, and where the the total amount of bullshit: C, is a constant. In other words, if the incidence of covid19 has peaked (as it has done now), there must be other forms of bullshit that will take over the narrative as total bullshit is a constant.
This appears to be true in my work (see my laments of yesterday), but also in the world, where we were freed from Greta Thunberg, Brexit, the US elections, the gender issues and so on and so forth the moment Covid19 started to take over the world news.
So, this might be the eye of the storm: where Covid19 has reached its peak and will slowly disappear, with other bullshit eagerly waiting to take over the narrative.
Enjoy it while it lasts…
Willem’s Law
Now that most people are off work, why haven’t we we shut down care homes?
that would be too obvious …
tonigh tonight later
it will be 8 oclock thursday
clappathon time
medication medication time
clap for oded yinon
clap for the red heffers
dance like the guys danced on the 9 and 11
dance like the doctor and the nursey
dance yourself dizzy guy
clap until your hands bleed
you will dance vicky
i will make you a star
star
without the red shows
bed blockers the infirm and crazed charley mansons
clap harder
all for a good cause
the army of me
the nhs
molech
the new temple rising
a new world satanick order
clap donate your energy for harvesting
clap all the way to slaughter
make your date
summer is a cumin in
the wicker man needs human souls
fools all
It has become the custom at our house, at 8pm on a Thursday, to enjoy a rendition of God Save the Queen by the Sex Pistols:
The Queen is at economic war with the British people
So time to peak of Covid19=21st March (Spring) plus 10-14 days independent of lockdown.
The following charts are not perfect to show this, as they should have started the x-axis with the date of lockdown and then move forward, but you get the idea.
Italy peaked.
Spain has peaked.
Netherlands has peaked.
US has peaked.
Still, the muckymucks fail to adress that their flattening curve did not take one aspect into account of what would flatten the curve. And that is, as is usual for common cold, Spring! What they do talk about, at least in NL, is that we should be VERY careful not to end the lockdown to soon, as it might lead to a ‘second wave’.
When will it dawn on these experts that their advice to governments is impoverishing nations and is leading to deaths on a grand scale, based on their idiotic viewpoints?
Charts don’t copy…
Go to worldofmeters where I found them
Keir Starmer had overdone the blusher on the news. Hope he’s not going to contract covid 19.
It was applied with a 2m long stick.
Steer Kalmer… the robot.
If you don’t have time to listen to the entire interview, forward to the (55:00 min) point and listen to the last question and answer. It addresses a core underlying issue in all of this and challenges the notion one should credulously believe in the “good intentions” of our government’s “you’re all on house-arrest” response.
I happened to come across this video yesterday, prior to noticing it on this website. Dr David L Katz a New Haven CT resident graduated from Dartmouth College, Albert Einstein College of Medicine, and Yale School of Public Health. He’s a former director of the Yale-Griffin Prevention Research Center. If you contemplate Katz’s comments, it seems he ultimately sees “herd immunity” as the only logical answer for dealing with this virus. Of course, the most at risk populations would need to practice greater precautions, but the same can be said of those fearful of contracting the flu. During every flu season, populations with compromised immune systems and the elderly always have a greater chance of becoming seriously ill. What I found most interesting, is the “interviewer’s questions” compelling Katz to comment on the general poor health of most Americans primarily due to obesity related illnesses like diabetes and heart disease.… Read more »
Can’t disagree with any of that.
Just one thing that is not followed through…
‘During every flu season, populations with compromised immune systems and the elderly always have a greater chance of becoming seriously ill.’
Yes. But it is mitigated.
By pre-existing herd immunity from previous STRAINS of the flu;
By flu vaccinations developed for NEW strains; and
By a hospital capacity to deal with the increased need of these who will need it.
This is a new virus with no herd immunity and no vaccines or no hospital capacity.
Important don’t you think?
In 2018, and during other past years the vaccine was ineffective at treating the flu. Viruses mutate. That’s how they survive. Hospital capacites during the 2018 was pressed to the max, but it was not discussed. Usually, those who are uninsured or underinsured (87 million Americans) never seek a physician’s care. If the uninsured become seriously ill they go to an emergency room, or remain untreated. As far as this being a new virus, it appears 80% who contract it are asymptomatic or suffer very mild symptoms. I’m of the opinion, that COVID-19 has been circulating around the US since last fall. The very first verified case was in Washington State. No one thought much of it at that point. It was not until the mainstream media news grabbed on to COVID-19 like starving vultures that the world became crazed. Russiagate and Ukraine-gate had been sucked dry media scavengers. I… Read more »
Again nothing to argue in that. And at least you know it exists, is new, and vaccines don’t exist for it now or its future strains yet.
Which is why it is so bloody dangerous even at 0.1% ifr.
“This is a new virus with no herd immunity” ….. how do you know that ?
No – one has been tested yet.
And the excess deaths? Are they just made up people?
Just denying that countries all across the world friends or foes are ALL agreeing it is real, new and causing deaths won’t make it go away.
Might as well stick your head in the ground.
What excess deaths .. ?
If you pulled your head out of your – hole in the ground – you may have noticed the ONS death stats released earlier this week. But you probably won’t want to believe them. So what’s the point of asking?
Why would anyone care to argue a false point. Present some evidence that supports your question/statement about excess deaths.
15 million people die every year. How many excess deaths do we have with 125,000? That number being totally fictitious to start with.
Why would anyone want to see the proof that they are wrong?
It’s a good question- ever been wrong?
Seeing as you are unwilling to look up the Office of National Statistics yourself – I won’t either.
But would you believe an expert?
James Tozer
@J_CD_T
·
7h
In Britain, data from
@ONS
suggest excess deaths of about 7,000 in the four weeks to April 3rd. A revised count of covid cases—using death certificates, rather than daily data from hospitals—came to 6,200 in the same period. (8/14)
https://mobile.twitter.com/J_CD_T
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And he is even putting together graphs for these who can’t get their head around tables of data, and not just for the UK.
Just so you understand, no one dies from Covid 19. They die from Pneumonia. Or other under lying conditions. So take your death certificate data and stick it where the sun doesn’t shine.
Excess deaths caused by Covid will be calculated by the Epidemiology crowd after they have all the data. Trolls like you should take your propaganda to a crowd more accepting of being bullshitted.
By the way did the UK do as the CDC did in the US and direct physicians to place Covid 19 as the cause of death if the patient died of any respiratory condition including pneumonia. Those stats would truly overwhelm and data related to this virus. They also said to mark covid as the cause regardless if they were tested. Hmm seems rather suspicious.
“no one dies from Covid 19. They die from Pneumonia”
That pretty much shows your fake news parroting ignorance.
Covid 19 is the illness that causes the particular pneumonia.
SARS-CoV-2 is the particular virus that causes the particular covid illness.
The excess deaths have become evident as the deaths have become exponential.
Whatever the reason of death is it is the total number of deaths daily that is the only thing that would show if there are excess deaths occuring.
YOU are not interested in the actual facts and are spreading your fake news and ignoring the actual data and science I posted for you that PROVES excess deaths.
WHY?
Stupid is as stupid does
Lockdown for at least another 3 weeks
This is beyond criminal and the government and its private medical backers – Witty and Vallance are beyond a joke
https://drmalcolmkendrick.org/2020/04/12/the-lockdown-is-not-a-way-of-beating-this-virus/?fbclid=IwAR0RVNaj1I6M6-5sYXgQIFqavIaA2LsFWb9cxIg017DjTbuFccACd-91DWA
The situation in the UK at 5.45pm on 16th April 2020 is criminal
Shoot a happy clapper at 8.0pm tonight is my suggested policy
Sing ringa ringa roses with a dying fly finale, is mine.
Criminal matches my thoughts on this now.
Shoot a happy clapper at 8.0pm tonight is my suggested policy
why not just loudly shout “BOO”, instead. maybe the idea will catch on.
Only if you decide thats what you want.
We should be pushing for economic change post-virus. Governments are going to use it for a reset that will absolve them from any economic blame for the last 45 years of wealth redistribution. We should be shouting for the rich to start paying higher taxes to fund real social security for all of us.
This virus has exposed the total lack of planning for any unusual situation along with a realisation of just how many jobs rely on those people who have so much disposable income that they find an economy of useless service jobs.
Shut down charity shops forever. Make wedding parties in French chateaux unaffordable, f off Dick and Angel. Put Kirsty and Phil out of a job forever. Make school catchment areas equal.
We don’t need the rich to pay even the taxes they are supposed to to fund social security or any other public spending. The government can just choose to do so. It doesn’t.
We only need to collect the tax the rich don’t pay to limit social inequality and stop them inflating assets with their tax avoidance.
I know all about MMS and fiat money. It’s time we lived within our means and stopped pretending we have eternal growth.
Maggies household budget eh?
Knowing something is not the same as understanding it.
When have we lived ‘within our means’ when has the national debt been zero?
New UK wwebsite:
https://lockdownsceptics.org/
Swiis Propaganda Research updated:
https://swprs.org/a-swiss-doctor-on-covid-19/
Snippet:
“•New antibody data from the Italian community of Robbia in Lombardy shows that about ten times more people had the corona virus than originally thought, as they developed no or only mild symptoms. The actual immunization rate is 22%.”
It will all be exposed, but how can we hold them accountable. Just like trying to get service from a government worker, they just laugh in your face. I think more drastic measires are called for. Violence as an option needs to be considered, otherwise they will just carry on with their new top down authoritarian scenario.
The best way to avoid the panic ensuing around the Coronavirus would be for the media to stop talking about it
The media is the virus.
The media is the Bubonic Plague…..
Which is why they are talking about it – their ‘deep state’ sponsors want people to panic. The media orchestrated the panic buying of toilet paper and baked beans, while pretending the public were to blame.
It’s certainly been interesting for me as someone who doesn’t have a TV and doesn’t read the newspapers to go about my business as normally as possible and observe the strange behaviour at the moment.
The majority do not have an original idea in their head. I used to think many people adopted ideas “off the peg” — finding it less effort than working things out for themselves. After all, that’s what newspapers are for /s.
But now I doubt if they even do that. I think they look at other people and just copy what other people do, copy what other people say, how they dress, what they buy….
The Groan today playing up the “there are more under-reported Covid-19 deaths in care homes than you think” line. Meanwhile, 3-week extension to UK lockdown expected to be announced today. And apologies for linking to MSM, but this is quite interesting: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-52308783 Coronavirus: Nine in 10 dying have existing illness […] More than nine in 10 people dying with coronavirus have an underlying health condition, figures from the Office for National Statistics show. The ONS looked at nearly 4,000 deaths during March in England and Wales where coronavirus was mentioned on the death certificate. In 91% of cases the individuals had other health problems. The most common was heart disease, followed by dementia and respiratory illness. On average, people dying also had roughly three other health conditions. It comes amid signs the coronavirus outbreak is deterring people from going to A&E. The number of people attending major units has nearly… Read more »
I think the figures on deaths in care homes will end up a scandal but I think that will have little to do with CV19 and much to the criminal way some of these places behave.
Rappoport on the swine flu “epidemic” ten years ago. That Fauci (I won’t call him “doctor”) should be hanged.
https://blog.nomorefakenews.com/2020/04/16/heres-what-sharyl-attkisson-told-me-about-the-2009-pandemic/
The scourge of vaccines in the “Third World”. Now coming to the “free”, “affluent” West:
http://www.wrongkindofgreen.org/2020/04/15/vaccination-most-deceptive-tool-of-imperialism/
Thanks for this Reg.
at 8pm sharp if your not out clapping converting to clap dumb dom
This could go against you in job interviews in years to come
New Study- 50% of COVID-Positive Deaths in Europe Have Been in Nursing Homes:
https://ltccovid.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/04/Mortality-associated-with-COVID-12-April-3.pdf
Perfectly natural… That’s where the number of fragile very old people exist!
Thanks for all the data, you have posted, I think “Crying wolf” as government and media have done over the coronavirus will come back to haunt humanity when a real killer virus appears, thanks to the propensity for humans in the their ever increasing billions to live cheek by jowl globally
Mortality disproportionately associated with being old… shock horror.
Chris Cuomo faking coronavirus illness for media, actually out and about and getting into altercation with 65 year old bicyclist: https://thehill.com/homenews/media/492907-hamptons-bicyclist-files-police-report-after-verbal-confrontation-with-cnns
Chris Cuomo has coronavirus and is in quarantine, yet he travels to a construction site to see how his new house is progressing, and then threatens to assault a cyclist, who had had the audacity to ask why the governor’s brother was ignoring the rules? Of course Cuomo has a history of lying, hypocrisy and threatening behaviour – no wonder he is a CNN star.
Poor Fredo.
He does have his problems.
The Cuomo family is trying to parley a “good crisis” into POTUS appointment ?
Unlikely, since Trump is a Republican and they’re not.
A bit off topic, but this is probably the most insightful article on the social/political aspects of what we are witnessing that I have read. Hopkins always has a good dose of humor in his essays. That is still here to some extent, but this is more serious than most of his writing.
https://www.unz.com/chopkins/brave-new-normal/#comment-3841051
That was publish here also! April 15, 2020! It’s still visible on the homepage of this site!
https://off-guardian.org/2020/04/15/brave-new-normal/
I know that! SteveK9 apparently was distracted!
He is not all the way on the side of Dr. Wittkowski, but I think there is general agreement here. Where he seems to be off, is the statements that NYC health care was overwhelmed. If he gets the opportunity to volunteer at a NYC Hospital, he may get a more realistic perspective.
Well, I’ve had enough now. Just back from a local store to get a loaf and bottle of milk – time taken 3 minutes – in that time I received insane stares, two arguments about social distancing and a person on the till who would not accept cash – apparently the £20 note I offered for payment was old and nobody knew where it had come from – doh! The paranoia of these people is bewildering to say the least and highly problematic going forward because I do not want to know these irrational and inhuman people. I just want to kill. Even if a freeing of the lockdown comes about these people will still want to ‘maintain’ their distance because of some irrational fear – there is no doubt the propaganda has got them all by the goolies – it is truly insane – I’ve never known anything like… Read more »
I’m having similar experiences at supermarkets. People queuing are anxious that everyone maintains the official distance, to the inch, and will give you a baleful stare if they think you’re not. Store staff are enjoying their new-found status as essential workers and the power they have to tell you off. For now at least they’re revelling in reversing the usual “customer is always right” maxim and treating you with the thinly veiled contempt they’ve always secretly felt.
Enough already.
Perhaps time to go to a smaller grocers’ – typically owned by first generation immigrants.
Agreed. It is much nicer there. And you also get the feeling that you’re helping people instead of corporations when you buy something there. A win-win
If you can afford the newly inflated ‘ration prices’ they charge from the elderly and those who cannot afford transport to get to a supermarket.
No such store near me in West Dorset unfortunately, but 4 supermarkets within walking distance.
Here, in Paris, we have “superettes”, some of which are local antennas of the big chain stores, but, in our neighbour hood, run by first or second generation immigrants as well, and they are just as fed up with all this as I am. We chat and laugh about the idiocy of the situation. We do have, however, those tight-assed customers who are terrified by the gov’t propaganda who display all kinds of strange behavior. We hope to be able to leave for the southwest family home soon. What a relief that’ll be.
If things go back to normal or at least more like normal, people like that may revert to less alienated human interaction. Chances are this was under the surface anyway though and it takes a crisis to make it come to the surface.
At least you can shame them to death when the boogie man is gone and it’s safe to come out and play
I cannot and don’t want to engage with these morons
fortunately, the morons have solved that problem for you. they very helpfully identify themselves to you by maintaining the government-mandated minimum separation, thus ensuring that there will be no possibility of accidental engagement.
these people were always around, now they’re just immediately obvious. life is so much simpler this way, because you no longer have to talk to them, before realizing how stupid they are.
That is very true. In fact, I have met many new friends in the last few weeks. And the bullshitters have left me mostly in peace, since they self-isolate.
It already makes me sort of nostalgic when I come to think what our world will look like after coronavirus, with all the bullshitters back in the street and in office demanding our full attention for their schemes and plans and talking points that are all bullshit.
Please, let them self-isolate for a little bit longer.
You have encountered deep stupid. Hoist your shield. Don’t let them get to you. Idiocy is s virus.
Well i’m just sitting on the local pub bench getting the last half hour of sun and people are jogging past breathing heavily every 20 seconds!
They are all observing social distancing though, so it must be alright.
The mental rationalism and rehabilitation that people are experiencing is a joy to behold. Anthropologists should be paying attention!
I don’t know why you posted this video, this guy is clueless. Post a few German doctors, they know how to tell the truth.
No MSM reporting of the growing protests so it’s important to realise that this is happening now!
https://youtu.be/QRuYu8-_w18
Grab this idea and take action quick as the financial crash will start to break many people.
Also this is essential viewing from UK Column:
https://youtu.be/C3ldtVWKlQI
Just watched. It is excellent.
https://www.zerohedge.com/personal-finance/22-million-last-4-weeks-has-erased-all-jobs-created-great-recession
22 Million lost jobs in the US in the last 4 weeks – 710 for every ‘covid-19 death’
Mine one of them. Not “with Covid” … “because of Covid.”
Current budget deficit $2.7 trillion of a $6.2 trillion budget.
43 cents borrowed for every $ spent.
Before offering my own thoughts on this I would like to hear from people on this forum as to what they think are the primary motivations of those forcing these lock downs upon us.
1. Hysteria of the people, whipped up by the media, combined with incompetence and groupthink of government.
2. We all know that an economic collapse was inevitable anyway, so the governments are putting the security infrastructure into place, trying to proactively control the collapse. To be followed by a global financial reset, after a period of hyperinlation, which destroys both the value of debt and the corresponding paper claims. The security infrastructure (lockdowns etc) is necessary for them to be able to control the massive social disorder, that can be expected in this scenario.
I tend strongly to the second option at the highest level, but I think that at lower levels number two is in play.
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“I tend strongly to the second option at the highest level, but I think that at lower levels number one is in play.
Thank you for that- I tend to be thinking similar thoughts on this. I think about the context leading into this “pandemic.” There already was social unrest all over the globe. Last summer for example protests and riots in Wuhan- coincidental? No need to review the social unrest already manifest or brewing throughout Europe and S America.
How do you think the decision making process occurs on this? How did the shift happen so quickly- the opportunism so pervasively?
I have no greater insight into the ‘decision making process’ than any of us do. There is therefore not much point in me addressing that. In my opinion it has been very clear since 2008 at the latest, that we have a monetary and financial paradigm shift in front of us. Many analysts, such as Peter Schiff, linked in this discussion, realize that. If so many independent analysts realize that, then we can be sure that the insiders know that too. This is inevitable, because the total market value of all the paper claims to wealth in existence – bonds, cash, shares (partly) etc. vastly exceeds the capacity of the physical plane to provide goods and services of equal value at current market prices. Therefore, the total value of all paper claims must be devalued relative to the physical world. If you scan the publications of say the BIS, then… Read more »
clickkid, why would the ruling elite want to the destruction of the value of debt? Debt is for them an asset by which they extract wealth from the real economy. They would be impoverishing (relatively speaking) themselves.
“Debt is for them an asset by which they extract wealth from the real economy.”
Sure, but eventually the weight of debt inside every system which is built on it, eventually crushes the real economy so much, that it is counter-productive for them – that plus the increasing sociopolitical dissatisfaction.
I’m sure you’re familiar with the evidence that each dollar of debt taken on has been producing less and less in terms of the conventional measures of economic growth.
Eventually, the pressure builds up to push the reset button.
In 1920s Weimar big industrialists and financiers did very well out of it – their debts were wiped out.
Absolutely true . In recorded history no national debt has ever been paid down . A global crisis of some sort always causes a reset ,although said reset is never admitted to be called what it was. .
Resetting the economy without admitting the last 45 years has been a fuck-up.
For those who’ve engineered and run the economy for the past 45 years it’s been hugely successful, they now dominate everything on planet earth as a result. They’ve well and truly fucked the rest of us up as well as the planet we live on in the process though, that’s for sure.
You know it is illogical, I know it is illogical and so do government ministers and advisors, so the only question left to ask is, why are they still inflicting house arrest and economic armageddon on the population? ………..that is a very worrying question.
Governments know better than you and I, how irrational this is, but they are still destroying our lives.
Peter Schiff lists the economic damage to the US economy, (later in video, around 20.00) His predictions are often right but the timing off, but his detail and facts are always current.
‘Self-inflicted Wounds Can Be Just as Fatal – Ep 562’ (he’s an economic libertarian)
Peter Sciff (sorry wrong link above).
To reduce world population now that they have AI.
more precisely: 1/3 of world pop. on lockdown, i.e. more about 2.5 billion. Say there is 30% unemployment among these (a conservative figure). That is 750 million. Say, about 30% of those die of hunger or malnutrition, that is 250 million. Say, about 10% of the rest die of illnesses due to lockdown, that is 175 million. That is 425 million dead due to lockdown (a conservative estimate). Id say 1/2 billion may die. Keep this going for another month, that makes it 1 billion. Keep it going until the end of June, that is more than 1.5 billion… Until the end of the summer, and you’ve reduced the world population by 1/2. With AI you no longer need the jobs that those billions used to do… Now that may be what is wished for. Whether or not this will happen is a different matter: so much can happen the… Read more »
ps: this way population is reduced without money spent, while allowing some to get even richer on the way. While reduction through a humane and reasonable family planning would be expensive and require real long term planning, education, the change to an economy that can thrive with less people, etc, etc…
Also it will get rid of all those with already serious conditions under lockdown who will simply die at home without a sound, without access to medical care: thats many numbers of people got rid of at one go without spending one ounce on them. Rather they are paying their lockdown and their death with their taxes.
This at least provides a rational for India’s extension of the lockdown…
hope, do you seriously believe that the global elites are engaged in a criminal conspiracy to murder half the world’s population?
We cannot know. But not overnight, but over a few years, there may be a serious reduction in the world population as a consequence of lockdowns. And
hence in moments of despair, what is happening is so horrid, one cant help speculating and thinking the worst.
All I wish for is go away far in a rural place in a country with some sense (given 2/3 are not locked down, such countries exist) as soon as borders are open, get a small house with a garden, in the middle of nature, there, where people are still human, and are too connected with nature and life rather than the virtual world of the internet or TV to fear death, and forget the rest: watch history unfold from afar… It must be fascinating to watch from afar as a spectator.
I believe it. Wouldn’t put anything past them. We’re not dealing with normal people. That’s plain as day.
I tend to think that those people are not just going to sit there and die.
For weeks people have been denied access to health and social care on a massive scale. GPs surgeries are closed. People are told not to use A & E. Much scheduled care has been cancelled. Indeed, even the corporate media have been forced to acknowledge that many health care facilities are virtually empty. Social care staff are off sick or self isolating. Old people in care homes are being restricted to their rooms, much like prisons on lockdown. Many people are isolated in their own homes. The above average non-coronavirus related deaths certainly looks like an unintended (albeit predictable) consequence of the response. Only on Friday (10 April Coronavirus Daily Update press briefing) Matt Hancock admitted that the government had not considered how many people might die as a result of the response to the virus. The government’s failure to consider how many people might die as a result of… Read more »
What do you think are the primary motives that are driving these draconian measures from various governments?
I think looking for a rational explanation for the draconian measures is a fool’s errand. I think the elites have gone collectively mad. https://viewsandstories.blogspot.com/2020/04/coronavirus-policy-making.html
At it’s heart I think it’s nothing more unusual than graft and incompetence. In the past, regardless of how corrupt and self serving they were, politicians listened to both experts and lobbyists and tried to find the most profitable balance. Shinzo Abe is an example of someone who’s responded to this in the ‘normal’ way. Throw everyone a bone but don’t rock the boat too much. But these days, in most countries, all the experts ARE lobbyists. And most politicians aren’t very bright, are totally out of their depth and have spent their whole career being groomed and conditioned by lobby groups. There’s always been crazy super rich with ill-conceived u/dystopian ideas. But politicians were confident enough in themselves and able to think far enough ahead to know when to say no (some of the time at least). Then it’s just the normal crisis exploitation feeding frenzy. A domino effect… Read more »
It is only irrational if you assume the government’s concern here is public health. It is unlikely to be, simply on the basis that there have been far worse illnesses prevalent in the developed world in living memory that have not brought on a draconian eonomy-destroying lockdown.
The coronavirus looks more like an excuse for a political clampdown and economic collapse, followed by asset-stripping and power-grabbing by the rich.
It makes perfect sense when you look at it like that. Although I suspect it will backfire on the organisers sooner rather than later.
Thom, your position is based on the assumption that these draconian measures are the result of a global elite conspiracy, but what evidence is there to support that assumption?
In the UK, Bill Gates (the frontman for the Rockefeller eugenics program) has given (bribed) the BBC into supporting their agenda (yet another reason not to pay the licence fee) and also bribed the Chief Medical Officer Chris Whitty for $40 million dollars. We see people in the cabinet that are supposedly ex-employees for international banks so its not hard to see that our
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custodians are in the pocket of the big boys. Pharmaceutical companies, IT conglomerates, global media, Davos types etc are also involved. I suspect that similar has happened elsewhere but I cant prove that. I think that pushback in countries such as Germany is because these parasitic organisations dont have as much control as they do here in the fascist UK
MoH The fact that various elite interests are using their power and influence to push their interest does not mean that the draconian measures are their policy. It is simply evidence that they are trying to exploit the situation.
Here’s a bit of a clue……….
https://mronline.org/2017/07/23/the-american-empire-and-its-media/
These people aren’t stupid, its clearly a controlled demolition of the economy. The Western Financial system actually died in September when the Fed lost control of interest rates in the RepoMarket, but I’m sure the death certificate will list Covid as the cause. A streamlined, efficient, top down controlled economy with lots of robots and remote workers is the goal, and the small, weak, and poorly capitilized businesses will succumb to their more powerful competitors.
The present crisis of humanity is evident in political, economic and cultural forms. The subversive creed of nihilistic individualism was bound to eventuate in such a social catastrophe as is increasingly evident. How did we ever fall for the nonsensical claptrap of ‘rugged individualism’ and ‘winner takes all’ – those toxic theories which gave rise to uncontrolled centrifugal and necessarily destructive social forces as promulgated by the likes of Mrs. Thatcher and Ayn Rand. ‘There is no such thing as society.’ I beg to differ. In fact homos sapiens, are, have always been, and always will be social creatures. The Robinson Crusoe model only exist in the frankly deranged views of those quoted above. This is not a new or novel view but one that can be traced back for over a hundred years and perhaps longer. The clash between collectivism and individualism has been ever present. Humankind is both… Read more »
Referring to Durheim’s “The Division of Labour” as a polemic is the kind of vocabulary misuse I see daily in the corporate media. “The Division of Labour” is a sociological study.
Polemic: A strong verbal or written attack on someone or something.
I beg your pardon but it was a polemic and it was directed against Adam Smith’s ‘Wealth of Nations.‘ which was an early statement of economic liberalism I think you might getting mixed up with his more widely read work ‘Le Suicide, which was a study.
Francis Lee, no I was not getting mixed up. “The Division of Labour” was a classic sociological study, as every first year Sociology student knows. And Adam Smith’s “Wealth of Nations” was actually a work of Moral Philosophy, not economic liberalism.
Self-isolation in lockdown – allied in lockstep seeking to PASS OFF as individualism. Being is relation by nature and by definition. Constructs of society (ideology) like constructs of individuality (self-image or masking persona) operate a construct world (Matrix) of a reversal of Life where true cause is denied and the denial is hidden as a false flag or projected diversion. In WANTING to cast Cause OUTSIDE responsibility in order to evade exposure in penalty, power is given to externals as a trade of for a personal or secret/private sense of control (self-isolation and social distance). The idea being weaponised is of collective responsibility as blame that demands sacrifice of individual and unique expression of a will that is Universal, as the power source for the imposition of a private agenda taken to a deeper level of inverted dissociation under density of denial. The individual will is perhaps best expressed in… Read more »
Just heard the BBC radio news state that Prof Neil Ferguson has warned that ‘it may be necessary to continue some form of lockdown measures until a vaccine is available’. I am sure I was not alone in thinking that Neil Ferguson should STF up!
Paid puppet…paid Charlatan. If wasn’t this idiot, there’d be plenty more waiting to fill it’s shoes…
Funded by Bill Gates
Fergusson got Foot and Mouth disastrously wrong in 2001, when millions of animals were needlessly slaughtered as a result of his recommendations. His predictions about the 2009 swine flu epidemic were wildly out (he wanted to impose ‘lockdown’ conditions then), and his assessments of Zika were wrong. To suggest that social distancing will need to continue indefinitely is utter madness. Fergusson lives in a parallel universe of mathematical models, completely detached from reality.
It is all ‘wrong’ by intention and design. He’s paid to deliver the models that serve the agenda of his paymasters. Just as is William Gates. Payment can take many forms and deceits – not just ‘pocketfuls of mumbles such are promises’. The conferment of elite privileges can work a one way ticket or Faustian pact.
To give up everything for a self-aggrandisement or gratification is to align in protecting it at cost of sacrificing everything to keep it.
“Just as is William Gates.”
Agreed, but only if his “paymaster” is metaphorical – the self-aggrandisement you refer to.
If you believe he is at the top of the pyramid that is your freedom.
Yes, they are trying to move the goalposts as their hoax runs out of legs. (The day they announce the commencement of a mandatory vaccine program should be a signal to engage in pronounced civil disobedience.)
The smaller, earlier peak; and the determined effort to maintain the lockdown regardless
Wasn’t that the purpose of “flattening the curve”? To extend the “danger” into the future for as long as they deem necessary?
There is only one voice talking and it is the lie and the father of it. The responsibility I take for myself is to give it disregard and listen through it rather than to it. Coercive controls are dictating terms on the willingness to buy the story. THAT he is given ear for advice is the indication that UK Gov and Gates are already ‘in bed’ as aligned agenda that does not have the interests of the people at heart. UK Column has and is covering some of the underlying root systems that operate as seeming different fronts. As long as we think there is a system running that operates on reason as we see it, we will be run as an identity of state entitlement and seek permission for being there, instead of extending an identity of shared worth from which to call the state to account. Well the… Read more »
On his own terms, Ferguson is correct. His March paper predicts (p.10, Fig 3, green line on chart) a massive, hospital-busting outbreak following the lifting of a general lockdown. The new outbreak is similar in size to the outbreak that would have happened in an unrealistic theoretical scenario where no action was taken at all, and he advocates repeated general lockdowns to deal with the outbreaks that follow. This is why the Swedish policy is lower risk.
Not sure where Dr Katz lives: but life was sociopathological long before CV-19. Where there was rampant opioid substance abuse; self-medicated harm; anomic suicides; pandemic racism and supremacism; and all manner of iatrogenic abuse of hierarchical and dictatorial harms (dis-ease caused specifically by the capitalist’s cures). In as much as people were deeply encultured in ritualised harm: they became normalised by it. I’m not sure why anyone would want to return to even a semblance of passivity to extreme mental illness and violent self-harm: such is the normative ‘normality’ these days? As in the Catch 22 of the Yosarian Dilemma: those deemed by themselves to be the ‘well’ or ‘normal’ and ‘free’ are the most narcissistically normative and sociopathologically sick of the whole lot. And thus fit to continue. ‘Normal’ life was the collective descent into madness: and the life-blind determination of our own impending economically determinate extinction. The pathology… Read more »
Only one small point of, maybe, disagreement. Yes, the good doctor was reasonable and, in a way, naïve. But he did, at the end, hint at the poisonous world we inhabit thanks to what we call the “normal” way of doing things, qualifying his remarks by saying that the economic part of the question was not his field of expertise. A kind of cop out, yes, but he admitted the inherent “co-morbidity” underlying said “normality”.
These excess deaths that the ONS released yesterday are very concerning: The provisional number of deaths registered in England and Wales in the week ending 3 April 2020 (Week 14) was 16,387; this represents an increase of 5,246 deaths registered compared with the previous week (Week 13) and 6,082 more than the five-year average. Of the deaths registered in Week 14, 3,475 mentioned “novel coronavirus (COVID-19)”, which was 21.2% of all deaths; this compares with 539 (4.8% of all deaths) in Week 13. https://www.ons.gov.uk/peop… There indeed does appear to be around a third more excess deaths in Week 13 than other comparisons. This is exceptional. I am hearing various uncorroborated reports that the reasons for these excess deaths are due to the following reasons: – People are not getting routine treatment such as chemo, surgery and diagnostics due to the overwhelmed hospitals that they went on and on about in… Read more »
I looked over the ONS figures and came to the same conclusion, that deaths ‘with’ Covid-19 alone cannot explain the sharp increase for week ending 3rd April. We really need to be investigating how the harsh measures are affecting deaths, I find this very concerning…
Lets be frank here. This isnt a scandal, this is state enforced murder.
My other concern is that when we do eventually get off our arses and protest, they will be waiting and will use it to clamp down further.
Thanks for that analysis…
The main danger is the public who believe the lies. I was talking to a friend in my local Aldi about the covid statistics and out of the blue, a man threatened to “punch my face in” because supposedly, He had had a covidised death recently in His family. That is the second supermarket that I have been barred from since this fiasco started.
A former workmate’s wife was over-due for a liver transplant, that was a couple ago I spoke to Him…I expect She will be dead by now.
My next door neighbour has an autistic son, He is a difficult handfull at the best of times and I have previously seen her sporting black eyes etc.
There is no day care for Him and He doesn’t understand the change in routine…
When universal credit and furlough pay doesnt arrive, expect a sudden sea change. They may believe the insane propaganda but their primary concern will be to feed themselves (certainly as stocks at home dwindle) and what happens then will be anyones guess.
The only certainty is that they want us to die as evidenced by the denial of healthcare, the stress of economic obliteration, the uncertainty of future payments and the mental strain we are enduring due to collective house arrest. The Outer Party members that is the politicians, the MSM presstitutes, ‘scientists’ and law enforcement are collaborationists in megadeath to cull the worlds population. The reality of this needs to be understood as we really cant understate what is happening
Yup, they are ensuring that the shops are well stocked…
I have my Faith…
If you don’t have Christ, then they do own you…
I don’t really have much fear now.
Does anybody have any thoughts on the many countries in the euromomo.eu data graphs that as far as the latest week 14 data show no increase whatsoever in mortality rates all through this winter/spring season?
Wales, Ireland, Greece, Portugal, Norway, Northern Ireland, Scotland, Sweden, Portugal, Malta, Luxembourg, Hungary , Finland, Estonia, Denmark, Austria are all showing no significant increases, and across the board are also showing their overall mortality rates are far lower than 2016-17 and 2017-18 seasons.
I’ve seen very little attempt to explain this, except the information showing that for sure in England, Italy and Spain they are choosing to include both people never tested for Covid-19 in the Covid-19 death statistics, as well as the dying ‘with’ and not ‘from’ phenomenon.
There wasn’t a real flu season in Europe this year. So part of the people who now (truly) die of CV19 would have died from flu. That explains the spike to some degree. Another part, for more interesting, that is not explained by death due to airway diseases.
To see the excess mortality of lockdown/corona one should compare the excess mortality in Sweden (no lockdown but cv19 present) vs the excess risk of a similar country that was in complete lockdown, like France and something in between, like the NL.
Then you will see how much lifes were worth killing to save their economy by imposing a lockdown
There wasn’t a real flu season in Europe this year.
Would you have stats on that? The same is true for the US- even after the CDC predicted it would be a bad season and listed record high flu positives for weeks 6 and 7 for example we are now seeing the CDC post record low stats for weeks 12,13,14 for flu positives.
I have compared these numbers with the CDC numbers over the last 10 years and the statistical anomaly is blinding. I would be interested in seeing the flu surveillance reports of Europe over the past 10 years for comparison if anyone has it.
This is from NL, see page 19, no flu spike in 2019-2020
https://www.rivm.nl/sites/default/files/2020-04/Epidemiologische%20situatie%20COVID-19%20in%20Nederland%2016%20april%202020.pdf
I also seen numbers from Italy where the death rate this winter was actually below average. But somebody sent that to me in pdf, and I don’t know where you can find that on the web
Portugal – Within NORMAL YEARS – data source
The most similar cases to my country that I went and saw data (Italy and Spain) are just basically the same… Including the flu vaccine coincidence.
If we look at Portugal pneumonia deaths for a longer timeline then weak SARS-CoV-2 needs to improve the capabilities!
data Portugal pneumonia
Why, off-Guardian did a piece on it just two weeks ago.
Just an idea: perhaps an open thread on what fellow posters doing to stay healthy and cheerful? I’m stuck in Tbilisi, Georgia, and I’ve had to find substitutes for the supplements that have run out. I built up a gruesome tolerance for raw garlic. Given its powers of social distancing I don’t think I’ll ever be accepted back into polite society. Several cloves every few hours are also said to be good for the blood and the airways. Thankfully there is only a curfew at night so walking in the Caucasus sunshine is a joyful source of D. Other culinary quirks include a teaspoon of 50/50 turmeric and pepper over each meal which makes me sneeze like hell and keeps the neighbors on their toes (supposedly anti-inflammatory and anti-oxidant). Lemons but especially the peel which I’ve discovered is where the benefits are. Along with a handful of mushrooms (only regular… Read more »
If you can find Amla berries (probably as a dried powder), they are supposed to be a good source of vitamin C.
Wow, I’d adjust the turmeric/pepper to 80/20, or even 90/10. (IANANutritionist).
I read a paper a few years ago that the smell of citrus peel can be effective against some cancers. The smell of the peel ! 🙂
The smell of pee too!
The new video on corbettreport.com “WAS THERE FOREKNOWLEDGE OF THE PLANDEMIC – QUESTIONS FOR CORBETT” really connected the dots for me! In this video we learn that the US-Government organisations “USAID” and “PREDICT” were deeply involved with the Chinese “Wuhan lab” (English named: “Wuhan Institute of Virology of the Chinese Academy of Sciences”) that were the first to have ‘detected’ SARS-Cov-2. This Wuhan lab got millions of $$ from the US health organisations (which of course are under control of Big Pharma). And now to the ‘connecting dots’ I mentioned: For this please allow me to repeat my comment on OffG from two weeks ago: “Also this story with this Chinese oculist Li Wenliang was very strange. Some weeks ago on youtube there was a video with an interview with a German virologist Dr. Köhnlein …”CORONA – Alles nur Panik (Dr. Köhnlein)”… After pointing out that these tests only check… Read more »
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(should be Dr. David L. Katz)
Another excellent point from Katz: if your policy to avoid population exposure has been highly effective and you are isolated geographically like New Zealand, if there is no circulating virus and the levels of transmission falls to zero, but almost no one has had it, you remain forever at risk of a resurgence whenever someone brings it into the country, until and unless there is a vaccine.
So you either have to cower in place until there is a vaccine, or reimpose the cowering whenever there is a case, or build immunity. Where the data is most robust (South Korea, Japan, Germany) the vast majority of Covid infections are mild and to the best of our knowledge they are immune. The anecdotes about reinfection are unreliable since we don’t know for sure if they were infected in the first place, says Katz.
That’s exactly the situation we’re also in here in Australia. Some commentators are suggesting that we can eradicate the virus by locking down for another few months. Aside from the economic devastation this would cause it would mean that we’d have to keep international borders closed indefinitely: the virus is loose in the rest of the world and there’s no putting it back in the bottle. With a few exceptions – including some fellow Aussies who comment on OffG – people seem to have lost all perspective and sanity here. I’m scared that we’re going to paint ourselves into a corner where we run out of vital goods; we’re very dependent on imports, but few people seem to understand this or how complex and fragile supply chains are.
Exactly Sam!
What we have been witnessing for the last few weeks is collective madness – hysteria. Individuals can ignore reality and behave insanely until they run out of money. Then, they either come to their senses or die.
Same with societies. It just takes a little longer.
Hi Clickkid, About a month and a half back you wrote the following, which I copied and passed onto quite a few of my friends. It so perfectly sums up the situation then (and now): “Dear boomers, The world’s zillionaires would like to thank you for being so well-behaved and for having worked decades at your soul-destroying jobs, to pay off those mortgages which you so gladly hung around your own necks and to pay into those pensions for your golden years.. Without your naive belief in this ponzi system we created, we would never as become as rich as we are now. You dutifully spent your apathetic evenings staring through glazed eyes at the TV screens showing the programming we caused to be created. You spent hours arguing over the merits of the various candidates for political offices, who in reality were all our errand boys. For fifty years… Read more »
Thanks Sam. I’m in Melbourne, havn’t worked for almost 3 weeks ( NZ citizen – sell a street mag) and was going to a different part of Melbourne each day. In the last 6 weeks or so, have met just 2 separate people (both out on the outskirts) who questioned this. One guy (originally from France) stated it would be used as an alibi for the collapsing financial system (which is basically what I think plus a few other things) and the second guy just went: ‘its a fucken scam, its all a big scam’ however he was in an vile mood and didn’t want to talk. Everyone else I know, including scores of customers have all completely flipped. They’ve swallowed everything without even blinking. And yes, I’ve told friends & customers to visit here and other sites and watch the videos. They probably think I’m a conspiracy loon. They… Read more »
I’ve been following your plight in your comments, Gezzah!
I spoke to a neighbour today who originally was skeptical. Now she dons her mask and disposable gloves when she goes out. And we’re in Adelaide, which has been pretty much untouched – basically a couple of small local outbreaks, one in airport workers and the other in the Barossa.
Oh well, at least there are a few of us not buying the insanity. 🙂
True, and obviously there are others here in Oz who are on the same wave length but who wouldn’t be aware of sites like OffGuardian or Wrong Kind Of Green.
Hmm, do miss the Adelaide Hills and the Central Markets (moved here from Adelaide just over 3 years ago)
Aussies have really lost it – in my small coastal village people are calling the cops on neighbours leaving the house more than once a day! Yet not ONE community transmission here, and not a single case in the hospital. Its nuts…I have my suspicions this is a nice cover up for a global financial coup. Look for the Epoch Times doco on the origins of the virus. Well worth a watch too.
What will happen in the village as jobs disappear, incomes fall, pensions get cut and the property market grinds to a halt on collapsing prices?
Don’t trust anything by The Epoch Times or New Tang Dynasty TV, these media outlets are run by members of the Falun Gong religious cult which receives funding from the US government for various digital projects including hacking. The organisation possibly also receives support and funding from the CIA and the National Endowment for Democracy either directly or indirectly.
A cult that believes that homosexuals and children of mixed-race backgrounds are sub-human and destined never to enter heaven has to be batshit crazy, yet American taxpayers unknowingly are funding it.
It’s a classic ‘wicked problem’. This virus, itself, is far more dangerous than ‘ just the ‘flu’ I fear, as I regret we will discover.
All the epidemiology data indicates you are wrong.