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WATCH: Covid19 fatality rate “in the ballpark of seasonal influenza.”

Dr John Ioannidis of Stanford University has released the results of a serology study done on a sampling of Santa Clara County residents. He sat down with John Kirby from Journeyman Pictures to explain the results.

The study found that between 2.5% and 4.2% of residents have antibodies relating to Sars-Cov-2, a far greater percentage than ever previously thought, between 50 and 85 times higher than initial estimates.

This would mean that the infection-fatality ratio (IFR) of Covid19 has potentially been substantially overestimated and that it actually falls in line with seasonal influenza. (which many experts have previously suggested, and other studies have found).

Dr Ioannidis previously wrote an article for STAT magazine regarding the importance of good data when reacting to a new disease, as well as sitting down for a feature-length interview with Journeyman Pictures in late March. He was also featured on our original collection of medical experts whose opinions clashed with mainstream coverage of the current coronavirus outbreak.

You can read the entire study here, watch his previous interview here, and follow Journeyman Pictures, plus watch their pther “Perspectives on the Pandemic” interviews, here.

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jen
jen
May 28, 2020 9:59 AM

Not wanting to dismiss Ioannidis, but according to Wikipedia (hilarious, I know).. his April Covid19 study was funded by Jetblue, a privately owned airline – which, if true, is 1. a conflict of interest, 2.makes him look a bid dodgy.

Rob Dunford
Rob Dunford
Apr 21, 2020 7:36 PM

Having read through many of the comments, nobody seems to make the point that seasonal influenza deaths occur over a period of several months.
If CV19 was allowed to simply ‘do it’s thing’ without any NPI’s, then the majority of the fatalities would happen over a short period of time, possible a couple of weeks.
So 0.1% of say 25 million people is 25,000, all happening in a short period, is this acceptable for society?
This is the nature of a novel virus that we have no immunity for.
Whether the strict lockdowns were actually necessary, is another argument altogether.

Nelson Nieves
Nelson Nieves
Apr 28, 2020 2:58 AM
Reply to  Rob Dunford

The numbers are cooked.

Even if you died of something else while being infected you are counted as dying from covid-19. So the numbers have been over inflated and not just in the U.S.

I am surprised you don’t know this being as you are on Off Guardian, you must have seen the reporting on this issue.

Marvin
Marvin
Apr 21, 2020 6:50 PM

Ugh – just got fed up arguing with more idiots who choose to ignore the facts, on social media ! This was on a page called Crap You Find in Charity Shops !! They just come out with the usual insults – and every time i asked them and invited them to prove me wrong – they couldn’t !! They say the facts are wrong and made up by crazy folk (regardless of the Doctors and Scientists qualifications involved in the studies) and those presented by the media are correct ! What is wrong with these people !!!

Marvin
Marvin
Apr 21, 2020 6:01 PM

You want to take a look at this thread – it is an eye opener about the actual situation in UK hospitals !! It shows that the staff are indeed not run off their feet and that their isn’t a shortage of PPE !!! https://www.mumsnet.com/Talk/coronavirus/3886452-The-hospital-I-work-in-is-so-quiet?pg=3&order&fbclid=IwAR2s6nn-WfH5igLOEq7wS_qoab7HS722t1WatHDbF8lGQdHi2PIKuuLkvBA

SSA
SSA
Apr 21, 2020 5:53 PM

Dr John Ioannidis is way too diplomatic. He also appears scared of Big Pharma and the Deep State behind it. He skirted questions about Bill Gates, WHO, CDC, Fauci, etc. He is a good man who is unable to speak his mind because of the climate of fear.

Waldorf
Waldorf
Apr 21, 2020 8:08 AM

https://www.anti-empire.com/happy-house-arrest-sunlight-destroys-virus-quickly-new-us-government-test-finds/

Only 10 new cases reported in Greece yesterday, there has been a steady decline for over a week. There has been a lockdown since March 23, nearly a month, but the weather has also been warm and sunny – 23 Centigrade was the high yesterday.

gordon
gordon
Apr 21, 2020 6:35 PM
Reply to  Waldorf

i work in the oil industry we sell trillions of dollars of chemiculls to the big pharma farma corporations.

i would say that sunlight vitamin d and mega dosing vitamin c, taking small amounts of zinc and selinium eating a healthy diet cutting out of all fizzy drinks the avoidance of corn syrup.

is simply a waste of time i agree with bill gates herd immunity is a waste of time and effort

all the money and effort should be put into surveillance tracking video taping and multi shot vaccinations with the prize being a digital certificate and passport saying

welcome no welcome
move freely you have been vaxed.

the i’m vax id could be made to look cool like you are an fbi agent or even tv detective

avoid sunlight, do not mega dose vit c,eat junk, take your doctors medications
believe in protect the nhs
support satan

wait inside for the vaccine

be the army
of me

good times

Shaking My Head
Shaking My Head
Apr 21, 2020 3:27 AM

Similar results in another serological study, news release just published today (April 20)
http://publichealth.lacounty.gov/phcommon/public/media/mediapubhpdetail.cfm?prid=2328&fbclid=IwAR3Ivr8JIxbUDf2w68S4wCDP1xu6Cd_Cv_jaSnWBairDwgwLNTB4p-CPTL4

Los Angeles (April 20, 2020) – USC and the Los Angeles County Department of Public Health (Public Health) today released preliminary results from a collaborative scientific study that suggests infections from the new coronavirus are far more widespread – and the fatality rate much lower – in L.A. County than previously thought.

Oscar
Oscar
Apr 20, 2020 5:58 PM

And where is the UK’s illustrious Neil (I believe in scare tactics) Fergusson, he seems to have gone rather quire… I wonder if he’s crawled up his own arse.

Magggie
Magggie
Apr 21, 2020 1:14 PM
Reply to  Oscar

Also where is our resident clown? Clearly unfit for purpose and an unnecessary distraction. The covid debacle has been handled by his minions whose strings have been pulled by the WHO. And the back stage crew..
No one in our Government is in control of ANYTHING. They have been proved to be talking heads.
Why don’t the shadow people come into the light and take the credit???

gordon
gordon
Apr 21, 2020 6:44 PM
Reply to  Magggie

boris johnson is a politcal prisoner
he has been kidnapped because of his beliefs

i’m not sure what they are apart from shagging taking out non disclosure agreements the said pregnant woman
and eating steak and kidney pies mashed potato port sherry stilton pimms
and bowl of eton mess trifle

this thursday we must all clap on demand
clap for the freedom of are bullingdon
bloater

Gezzah Potts
Gezzah Potts
Apr 20, 2020 2:34 PM

I did a quick search earlier today on how often Dr John Ioannidis has appeared in the MSM, and apart from a single OpEd piece he wrote in the New York Times back in March, it seems the previous time was on ABC in Sept last year.
Correct me if I’m wrong about this.
I wonder how many of the presstitutes will cover this study conducted in Santa Clara County? A few? A handful?
I just feel contempt for these slime sitting in front of TV cameras or writing for rags who day after day keep pushing the fear porn. In exchange for a fat salary.

SSeedell
SSeedell
Apr 20, 2020 6:47 PM
Reply to  Gezzah Potts

Incredible. This man is just about the most qualified person on the planet when it comes to statistics and infectious disease. As an academic he has a H index of almost 200, with his work being cited by other academics almost 270,000 times. As an academic he isn’t far from perfection, yet our media instead choose to interview morons to fearmonger.

Frankie
Frankie
Apr 20, 2020 9:31 PM
Reply to  SSeedell

Or in the case of Fox, have “Doctor” Oz on daily to pontificate.

Gezzah Potts
Gezzah Potts
Apr 20, 2020 11:02 PM
Reply to  SSeedell

Which tells us how morally and ethically bankrupt the media is. There were a whole truckload of examples before this even happened.

S Cooper
S Cooper
Apr 20, 2020 12:44 PM

“Mass hysteria media disinformation/misinformation fear panic frenzies are hazardous to humanities health.” Long overdue for a cure to be found for the CorporatefascistoligarchmobsterVIRUS.

jay
jay
Apr 20, 2020 12:18 PM

Perspective…
9 million die of hunger every year…
That is a Spanish ‘flu epidemic every 5 years, although I expect the ‘flu is a quicker and more merciful death.

Waldorf
Waldorf
Apr 20, 2020 1:32 PM
Reply to  jay

Old people also die in large numbers of hypothermia during the winter in the energy-rich UK, without it being the lead item on the news day after day or a daily death count being publicised.

George Mc
George Mc
Apr 20, 2020 11:58 AM

Another celebrity dies ….naturally with COVID. This was jazz saxophonist Lee Konitz. He was 92 and if you google his name along with the word “death” the info panel that comes up is:

Cause of death: Pneumonia
Date of death: 15 April 2020
Place of death: Lenox Hill Hospital, New York, United States

Yes, you read that right “Cause of death: Pneumonia“. The BBC news page has this:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-52322691

His family confirmed to NPR he had died in New York from pneumonia related to the coronavirus.

“pneumonia RELATED TO the coronavirus.” How related? Oh who cares! Just stick it down there!

The WSWS are not in doubt:

https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2020/04/20/koni-a20.html

COVID-19 kills jazz saxophone master Lee Konitz

“KILLS”!

But the article says,

Konitz is a tragic addition to the growing list of jazz musicians who have died recently from COVID-19, a disease that spread unnecessarily due to the deliberate indifference of capitalist politicians, both Democrats and Republicans, more interested in protecting profits than people.
Other victims include saxophonist Manu Dibango, pianists Mike Longo and Ellis Marsalis, guitarist Bucky Pizzarelli and trumpeter Wallace Roney.
While this obituary was in the course of being prepared, Henry Grimes, the outstanding Juilliard School-trained bassist who performed with Konitz, among many other jazz superstars, passed away from COVID-19 Saturday at age 84.

Devastating stuff – but hang on …

Konitz remained active until the coronavirus pandemic struck. His most recent album, Old Songs New, featuring a nine-piece band was released on November 22.

So a 92 year old jazzman was still active. He obviously lived for his art. But then he – like everyone else – was forced to stop.

Let me entertain a possibility. This nonagenarian kept going because he loved and lived for his music. Suddenly he had to stop. A few weeks go by and he sinks into a depression and is prey for whatever is going around. It may – or may not – have been the COVID horror. But I think the sudden hiatus had something to do with it too.

Reg
Reg
Apr 20, 2020 12:18 PM
Reply to  George Mc

There has to be a day of reckoning. Tumbrils in every town square, I say.

wardropper
wardropper
Apr 20, 2020 7:04 PM
Reply to  Reg

One is just waiting to see which society has the gumption to do it first…

S Cooper
S Cooper
Apr 20, 2020 9:11 PM
Reply to  George Mc

The WSWS has been such a disappointment in this corporate fascist mass hysteria disinformation/misinformation propaganda campaign. It was a good way for them to recruit in record numbers, instead like PSL and Workers World they not only buy into the BIG LIE but feed it unabashedly. How sad.

Question for them. What protection will there be for political organzing if the US Bill of Rights no longer protects citizens or individuals in the US. They should consider that.

Reg
Reg
Apr 21, 2020 1:02 AM
Reply to  S Cooper

With one stroke their Trotskyism has been thrown into irrelevance. The idiots don’t see that. Their “revolution” ain’t gonna happen because they won’t be allowed to mobilise in the police state that they are cheering on. What a bunch of absolute morons.

John
John
Apr 21, 2020 2:00 AM
Reply to  Reg

Unless…. they were controlled opposition all along.

Waldorf
Waldorf
Apr 21, 2020 8:20 AM
Reply to  John

Not out of the question, but their political origins are in a particularly catastrophist interpretation of Trotskyism. Gerry Healy spent much of his political career warning against imminent fascist coups that never materialised, all the while turning his group into a particularly off the wall cult. So not going to keep their heads when nearly all around are losing theirs…

Richard Le Sarc
Richard Le Sarc
Apr 21, 2020 8:41 AM
Reply to  Waldorf

Well the fascist coup is here, so they perhaps feel vindicated.

Richard Le Sarc
Richard Le Sarc
Apr 21, 2020 8:40 AM
Reply to  John

Their journalism is often very good, when it doesn’t get hidden by their Trot pontifications.

S Cooper
S Cooper
Apr 21, 2020 2:11 AM
Reply to  Reg

It would be nice if the parties in question were not turn “a tactical error” into a “strategic mistake.” Police state terrorists breaking down peoples’ doors in the middle of the night and shooting them dead in their beds, like they did poor Fred Hampton, is not conducive to honest democracy.

Gezzah Potts
Gezzah Potts
Apr 21, 2020 7:25 AM
Reply to  Reg

Three SEP members who I gave my phone number to, I blocked them weeks ago. At the few meetings I went to (on Julian Assange) the majority were either teachers or former teachers.
There didn’t seem to be many working class type people there (factory workers, labourers, etc)
At one meeting, a lady asked a question:
“do you know anything about Agenda 21, have you heard about it”?
She was fully ignored by the person chairing the meeting. It was like she wasn’t there, which at the time I remember thinking ‘that’s a bit rude’.
No Reg, they’re pretty intelligent people – they didn’t strike me as being moronic, which then leads you to question what is Really going on?

Waldorf
Waldorf
Apr 21, 2020 8:41 AM
Reply to  Gezzah Potts

The dynamics are interesting. I went to a meeting of a different group about 25 years ago – the British SWP in fact – and one member of the audience went on about flying saucers. He may have ticked the box for “working class” but was obviously insane. I mentioned him to the meeting organiser at the end of the meeting and was chided for “looking down on the working class” – yet for the most part the SWP were college lecturers, teachers and suchlike.
The flying saucer guy never came to another meeting of theirs that I knew about, and insane people are not noted for steady political commitment…

Gezzah Potts
Gezzah Potts
Apr 21, 2020 9:37 AM
Reply to  Waldorf

Yes, I was a bit taken aback when to start up a conversation, I was asking people what they did for a job, and nearly everyone I asked said teacher, or they went: I’m retired… but I was a teacher.
Found that a bit odd.
About 22 years ago in New Zealand, I was involved in another group who were closely allied with the SWP in the UK.
In the small city I lived in at the time, in our ‘branch’ there were, um, 6 members, plus a few others who came and went.
I think the most we ever had at a meeting was about 12 people!
It was basically going out selling the paper and literature and books from the SWP.

Richard Le Sarc
Richard Le Sarc
Apr 21, 2020 8:42 AM
Reply to  Gezzah Potts

They sound like the Greens.

dedaStanko
dedaStanko
Apr 21, 2020 9:08 AM
Reply to  Gezzah Potts

Overheard a conversation in the food queue yesterday at my local Co-Op:

“..This has gone a bit too far, I am telling you..And I’m not the one to be told what to do.. I can’t tolerate anyone telling me where I can and cannot go and what I can and cannot do..But as I told you, Bill Gates warned us about this months ago, but they never take notice, do they…”

The man in front was a deputy head at the secondary school and a former science teacher with over 30 years’ experience. Moronic he may not be, but he and hundreds of thousands of other “gate keepers” like him in the MSM, police, law, healthcare, education etc. are preventing those of us who can connect the dots to implement any relevant change to the current political, economic, social and other systems in place.

Gezzah Potts
Gezzah Potts
Apr 21, 2020 9:50 AM
Reply to  dedaStanko

Bill Gates…!!? Jesus. I mentioned the other day, that from my own experience (and others at OffG) the more educated a person, the more likely they are to swallow the propaganda hook, line and sinker, and adhere to the establishment narrative and directives.
Especially the ‘directives’ part. Or risk social ostracisation and being frowned upon by their peers.

S Cooper
S Cooper
Apr 21, 2020 3:35 PM
Reply to  Gezzah Potts

Egads! The Zombie Pods have taken over the SEP. It is rife with them.

Say it isn’t so, say it isn’t so.

Gezzah Potts
Gezzah Potts
Apr 21, 2020 11:00 PM
Reply to  S Cooper

It seems very so… which is why I severed my links with them.

Waldorf
Waldorf
Apr 21, 2020 8:32 AM
Reply to  Reg

They also seem obsessed with go-back-to-work pressure (growing, because people want to restart the economy and lockdowns are no kind of long-term solution) being some kind of attempt to kill off the workers. No revolution was ever started by people in lockdown, however. Actually there is potential grist to the mill for left-wingers – the disastrous failings of neo-liberalism have been exposed and there is also a lot of economic pain now that can only grow. But to benefit from it, it would be necessary to come out of lockdown. The WSWS appear to want to stay there.

Gwyn
Gwyn
Apr 20, 2020 11:24 AM

Here’s a copy of the text message that I’ve just sent to a friend of mine:

If you see anyone clapping, banging pots and pans, etc., to show appreciation for the NHS, ask them whether they voted Tory at the last election.

If they say that they did, point out to them that the Tories are determined to fully privatise the NHS.

You should then tell them to shut the FUCK up.

*End of party-political broadcast*

ame
ame
Apr 20, 2020 11:44 AM
Reply to  Gwyn

whilst ALL Mp’s got a 10k stay at home bonus durting CV the essential key worker lik NHS did not even get a pay rise in how long .??

Gwyn
Gwyn
Apr 20, 2020 12:56 PM
Reply to  ame

That 10k thing was a piss-take. Reason enough on its own to get the pitchforks out.

Cheeky bastards.

jay
jay
Apr 20, 2020 12:16 PM
Reply to  Gwyn

The wards are not overflowing and the NHS are refusing to treat the sick. The bumped the old off with the LCP and are refusing to treat the sick.
They are silent about the lies, about the hoax.
And the fools are applauding them.

Gezzah Potts
Gezzah Potts
Apr 20, 2020 2:26 PM
Reply to  jay

Because the vast majority are sheep – the herd mentality (not herd immunity)
Everyone I know I directed to this site, Dr Sucharit Bhakdi, Wolfgang Wodarg, Swiss Propaganda Research, The Corbett Report, John Ioannidis (above) about 3 weeks ago now, and they just don’t want to know period. At all.
They want to read the fecken Guardian and watch Amy fecken Goodman or the ABC instead. Not a single response.

wardropper
wardropper
Apr 20, 2020 7:09 PM
Reply to  Gezzah Potts

It’s hard to realize the fact that most of the people one counts as friends are really not very bright… but of course that can be pure genetics. We have to show tolerance and compassion for those who just don’t have the wit to be other than terrified.
It’s a very different story, however, for those who are deliberately brainwashing the sheep in this fashion. Tolerance and compassion simply don’t apply there.

Gezzah Potts
Gezzah Potts
Apr 20, 2020 10:58 PM
Reply to  wardropper

You’re right Wardropper. Believe me, I haven’t had any ‘tolerance’ for the MSM in a long time.

Steve Hayes
Steve Hayes
Apr 20, 2020 1:09 PM
Reply to  Gwyn

This clapforcarers was apparently started by a Dutch woman called Annemaire Pals, who lives in London, and looked at what was happening in other countries and thought we should do the same. https://clapforourcarers.co.uk And on the basis of the suggestion of someone no one had heard of the whole country decided to clap for carers at eight o’clock every Thursday. If you find that credible, could I interest you in a bridge I have for sale?

Moneycircus
Moneycircus
Apr 20, 2020 1:38 PM
Reply to  Steve Hayes

The Totally Spontaneous Health Worker Balcony Applause Phenomenon 😉
https://www.corbettreport.com/mp4/propagandawatch-balconies.mp4?_=1

Harry hopkins
Harry hopkins
Apr 20, 2020 2:04 PM
Reply to  Gwyn

Perhaps you should have added this link so that they could see for themselves the Tories cheering when they blocked a nurses’ pay rise.

RTB
RTB
Apr 20, 2020 11:02 AM

I see no reason to doubt that there will be a large spike in excess deaths when the data comes out tomorrow.
As a layperson my ability to fully fathom the exact reasons why, are limited, but no doubt scientific papers for years to come will discuss those issues.
My concern is that the experts knew from the beginning who the at risk groups were, and the course of actions taken were to protect those groups, and yet excess deaths both here and in much of the rest of western europe would suggest that they may have failed in that task. If so – why.

clickkid
clickkid
Apr 20, 2020 11:24 AM
Reply to  RTB

There probably will be.

Yes, the risk groups should have been protected.

Just think of the hit the economy has taken. Only a fraction of that economic cost would have been necessary to protect those risk groups, and the economy could have been kept on the road.

My sense of things is that many politicians are now looking for a way out. Several European countries have begun a retreat from the measures, although if one were to believe their narrative and their statistics so far, then there would be no justiication for ending the lockdowns.

That is the tell.

ame
ame
Apr 20, 2020 11:50 AM
Reply to  clickkid

The risk groups should have been protected. they got sent a DNR form a few days after the CV act was cloak and dagger ed through parliament

last year during the long drawn out brexiot ritual the elder generation was told there pensions where going up to 67

a year later if your 70 or a risk group your services are no longer needed

pls sign this form and die

jay
jay
Apr 20, 2020 11:29 AM
Reply to  RTB

Yeah, people are dying before doctors can treat them with the Liverpool Care Pathway (or whatever they do or don’t call it these days).

Joerg
Joerg
Apr 20, 2020 11:01 AM

See Corbett’s – again remarkable – contribution: The video “LIES, DAMNED LIES AND CORONAVIRUS STATISTICS” – https://www.corbettreport.com/coronastats/

Harry hopkins
Harry hopkins
Apr 20, 2020 10:56 AM

My next door neighbour is in full panic mode along with most of my near neighbours. They devour the BBC and Guardian and have a fear in their eyes I would not have thought possible a few weeks ago. I’m doing some shopping for three of them as my attitude to this whole sorry business shifts between scepticism and downright disbelief that there is anything untoward going on over and above normal flu like illnesses that carry away the elderly and seriously ill every day of the year.
Last Thursday my neighbour was out at 8pm blowing her whistle and another family were out clapping although I must report that this outbreak of two faced appreciation by people who may vote Tory simply brings me to a point of sickening nausea. My neighbours are middle class, relatively wealthy, want for nothing but are showing themselves to be utterly stupid during this present ‘crisis’. My wife and I are keeping our council but I long to say ‘Is the current crisis in the health service not linked to Tory cuts of ten years standing?’ I would like nothing better than to give them a history of the NHS, who founded it and when (believe me they don’t know!) and that Nye Bevan said at its inception that “The NHS will last as long as there are people left to fight for it”. It takes all my self discipline when these people are blowing their whistles, banging their pans and clapping their hands to refrain from telling them that for the last five years I have been giving money to help get elected a politician who put the NHS at the forefront of his policies alongside policies that would truly transform this country for the benefit of the huge majority of people. But they were convinced by the MSM that he was the Devil incarnate. But I say nowt. What’s the point? These people are among the great brain dead of our country who believe that if the BBC, the MSM and the Prime minister say something then it must be true and if you call into question this bedrock of their lives then it is you who is the mad dog and it is you who needs to be ‘reprogrammed’.
As Mark Twain said- “Never argue with stupid people, they will drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience.”
And finally—thanks Off guardian! Reading your stuff makes me realise that I’m not alone in seeing the world through different eyes and that there is always a different narrative to consider. I feel calm and contented as we travel through this period. I have a lovely wife a nice garden, did have wonderful parents who gave me the gift of independent and tolerant thought and taught me that there is always a different point of view to consider.

Moneycircus
Moneycircus
Apr 20, 2020 11:05 AM
Reply to  Harry hopkins

I get the impression that there may be something superstitious about the clapping and whistle blowing… that these would-be sensible middle class, ever-so-modern types are actually trying to ward off evil spirits

clickkid
clickkid
Apr 20, 2020 11:13 AM
Reply to  Harry hopkins

The most relevant part, for me, of your description of your neighbours was:

“My neighbours are middle class, relatively wealthy, want for nothing ….”

ie – no or few penalties or believing nonsense.

The greater the negative consequences are,in the real physical world, or believing in nonsense, the less likely one is to believe that nonsense.

The clock continues ticking on the economy …

Gwyn
Gwyn
Apr 20, 2020 11:36 AM
Reply to  Harry hopkins

I really enjoyed reading your comment, Harry. I agree with every word of it. I, too, am sickened by the hypocrisy of those who voted Tory and are now clapping, whistling, and banging their little pots and pans to show their ”appreciation” of the NHS.

I will continue to try to point out this and other obvious truths to people, but it’s bloody hard work, as you’re well aware.

Oh, and thanks for quoting the great Aneurin Bevan. A personal hero (and compatriot) of mine.

Greeting from North Wales.

jack(jim)
jack(jim)
Apr 20, 2020 10:53 AM

Guardian: ” Trump backs lockdown protesters”

The very subtile campaign to make the far-right the heroes continues. Scare the public to death with the prospect of a police state then send in the ‘white knight’ to saver us all.

I refuse to believe that a government that has just stolen $6 trillion under the cover of this crisis is on the side of the people or liberty.

clickkid
clickkid
Apr 20, 2020 11:09 AM
Reply to  jack(jim)

“Guardian: ” Trump backs lockdown protesters”

The very subtile campaign to make the far-right the heroes continues”

That was in the Guardian.

Do you think Guardian-readers will be thereby convinced to see the ‘far-right’, as you term them, as the new heroes?

Waldorf
Waldorf
Apr 20, 2020 1:35 PM
Reply to  clickkid

More likely to link the evil Trump to the evil protesters.

Moneycircus
Moneycircus
Apr 20, 2020 11:24 AM
Reply to  jack(jim)

The Powers That Be are not monolithic and certainly not “the gub’mint”. There is range of rival interest groups at war with each other. The $6 trillion heist has little to do with Trump, whatever you think of him.
The strongest insight currently comes from John Titus’ channel Best Evidence https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCLvRDyn_rVvZ7RRwdcEiJGw/videos

clickkid
clickkid
Apr 20, 2020 11:27 AM
Reply to  Moneycircus

Yes, one of the main characteristics of an empire in decline is that faction-fighting, previously relatively concealed from view, erupts into the open – ie the story since 2015.

Reg
Reg
Apr 20, 2020 10:45 AM

And Lincoln’s latest. He’s a ballsy fella, he is . . .

Gwyn
Gwyn
Apr 20, 2020 11:55 AM
Reply to  Reg

Excellent stuff, Reg. Very ballsy, as you rightly say.

I particularly enjoyed the pigeons…

Reg
Reg
Apr 20, 2020 11:56 AM
Reply to  Gwyn

You should check out his squirrel video. Very cute.

Gwyn
Gwyn
Apr 20, 2020 12:09 PM
Reply to  Reg

I’ll be checking it out. Just as soon as I’ve finished watching the ”clapping seals” video of his that you posted…

(Pigeons…squirrels…seals…and sheep. Lots and lots of sheep).

Steve Church
Steve Church
Apr 20, 2020 10:36 AM

Don’t know why I haven’t posted this link before, and maybe someone else has. But for what it’s worth:

https://hat4uk.wordpress.com/2020/04/19/dark-sermon-for-a-damp-sunday-evening/

A Brit living somewhere in the south of France who seems to have his head on straight.

dedaStanko
dedaStanko
Apr 21, 2020 10:44 AM
Reply to  Steve Church

Thanks Steve, I’ll add that to my list of blogs worth reading.

Reg
Reg
Apr 20, 2020 10:31 AM

This is an excellent video. Fast forward to 1:00:00 and watch the bells go and people clap like performing seals. The controllers must be delighted with how it’s all going.

T Brites
T Brites
Apr 20, 2020 10:53 AM
Reply to  Reg

The only positive thing we can extract from this SRF & Billionaires & Jesters Planned Event, is that the Few are surrounded with billions of ignorant people.

At least we now know we can’t count with them for anything.

In short… we’re screwed.

clickkid
clickkid
Apr 20, 2020 11:04 AM
Reply to  T Brites

Not true.

Don’t be fooled by the monolithic media presentation. Many of those billions have their doubts – and that number is growing.

Global Society/economy is a massive and intricate superorganism, a large part of which has now come to a standstill.

This is unsustainable. Even the majority of those billions who have no doubts still have to make a living.

…and the few know it.

We are not screwed.

Waldorf
Waldorf
Apr 20, 2020 1:42 PM
Reply to  Reg

Wag The Virus.

Waldorf
Waldorf
Apr 20, 2020 10:30 AM


German satirical song on the Pest. Carpe diem does not seem seem to be the usual response to Covid-19, however.

Dungroanin
Dungroanin
Apr 20, 2020 10:25 AM

Total Deaths = Total infections x Infection Fatality Rate.

That is without mitigating medical intervention – a variable based on resources made available and their efficacy.

Total Infections is also an analogue of the herd immunity population no.

Put in your own guesses for two of the three elements of that equation to calculate the 3rd.

It really is not brain surgery but is BASIC rocket science.

ALL ELSE IS STRAW.

Countdown to lift off is at this posting – T minus 23 hours and 5 mins.

George Mc
George Mc
Apr 20, 2020 10:19 AM

On the sudden upsurge of charity in the UK, there’s this apt quote from Henning Wehn:

We don’t do charity in Germany. We pay taxes. Charity is a failure of governments’ responsibilities.

clickkid
clickkid
Apr 20, 2020 10:39 AM
Reply to  George Mc

I live in Germany.

Plenty of food banks here, and the number of pensioners who spend their days – and evenings – looking for thrown away bottles, so that they can claim the deposit, has exploded in the past few years.

Marvin
Marvin
Apr 21, 2020 6:53 PM
Reply to  clickkid

I really love those bottle / can deposit schemes and wish they would do them here ! We have one company – Barr – famous for Irn Bru – that does it. They benefit everyone and are great for those looking for a little extra cash !

elsewhere
elsewhere
Apr 20, 2020 10:17 AM

Berlin rally against Covid 19

jack(ji9m)
jack(ji9m)
Apr 20, 2020 10:39 AM
Reply to  elsewhere

They are using brutality as standard now, to scare the population.

jack(ji9m)
jack(ji9m)
Apr 20, 2020 10:57 AM
Reply to  elsewhere

Does it scare people when they show police brutally or does it make them angry and determined to fight?

I suspect RT would like to suppress dissent as much as western governments, so think it scares people.

Waldorf
Waldorf
Apr 23, 2020 8:47 AM
Reply to  jack(ji9m)

Turkish TV channels tend to show a rather large amount of police violence, but it is hard to avoid the impression that this is done to intimidate – “go on a demo or protest, and this will happen to you”.

marvin
marvin
Apr 21, 2020 6:55 PM
Reply to  elsewhere

Looks like Germany is going back to its Nazi years !! Of all the countries in the world – they are the ones that need to be very careful about such enforcement !

Waldorf
Waldorf
Apr 23, 2020 4:01 PM
Reply to  marvin

German riot cops are certainly no gentler than anyone else’s. To be I have noticed a little more criticism of lockdown measures and associated civil liberties headaches in Germany than in some other places.

richard
richard
Apr 20, 2020 10:14 AM

3,925,511 Communicable disease deaths this year so far. Not a mention. I guess poor people in third world countries don’t count.

jack(jim)
jack(jim)
Apr 20, 2020 10:41 AM
Reply to  richard

Maybe because it is 20th in the causes of death in the 3rd world, they have it in perspective. And they have no private wealth worth stealing.

T Brites
T Brites
Apr 20, 2020 11:00 AM
Reply to  richard

They only count if it’s SARS-CoV-2 related… Anything else doesn’t matter!

Today 50,000 refugees can drown in the Mediterranean that it isn’t even news!

Today 10,000 children can shore up dead in a popular south European beach that no one will take pictures!

We could go on endlessly!

Humanity at its best…

Moneycircus
Moneycircus
Apr 20, 2020 9:25 AM

To control the population you have to control the people who message the population.
“It’s illegal to possess these stolen documents (the Podǝsta emails). You see it’s different for the media. So everything you are learning about this you are learning from us.” – Chris Cuomo
“He (Trump) might have undermined the messaging so much that he might actually control what people think and that is our job.” – Mika Brzezinski
Documentary: https://www.outofshadows.org/
Featuring George Carlin, Kevin Shipp, Ian Fleming, Ricky Gervais at the Golden Globe, Liz Crokin, Ben Swann…

Dungroanin
Dungroanin
Apr 20, 2020 10:29 AM
Reply to  Moneycircus

FREE JULIAN ASSANGE

If you believe in free speech and rights to publish – every publisher should be shouting every day – FJA

jay
jay
Apr 20, 2020 9:17 AM

Our Gallant leader and Freestyle shagger Bozo is still displaying a complication of the phony crony…
The doctors call it facialis pullem deformem, literally, ugly chicken face, you will know it better as ‘last chicken on the shelf’ face.

clickkid
clickkid
Apr 20, 2020 9:08 AM

Things are starting to fall apart in South Africa:

https://www.zerohedge.com/health/capetown-cops-fire-rubber-bullets-teargas-south-african-food-shortages-spark-riots-looting

“One community leader in Cape Town has pleaded with South Africa’s leaders to combat food shortages now. Joanie Fredericks, of the Mitchells Plain township, said:

“Mr President we are in the middle of a food crisis. It’s war out here.

“People have broken into tuck shops. They have attacked people. The simple reason is because they are hungry.”

Richard Le Sarc
Richard Le Sarc
Apr 20, 2020 10:00 AM
Reply to  clickkid

This is the fruit of the treachery of Mandela. who ‘freed’ South Africa straight into the arms of the IMF and the neo-liberal blood-suckers. Why do you think the Western MSM loved him, but reviled Mugabe?

Alan Tench
Alan Tench
Apr 20, 2020 10:52 AM

Mandella ‘freed’ South Africa into the arms of the ANC.

paul
paul
Apr 20, 2020 8:51 PM

No, Mandela was a great man. He made South Africa safe for Anglo American, RTZ and De Beers. And that’s all that matters at the end of the day. All the Darkies living in cinder block shacks with no water, no electricity and no jobs would certainly agree, I’m sure. He was able to spend $250,000 on his daughter’s wedding after spending 20 years in the chokey sewing mail bags. Must be a lot of money in the mail bad business.

Geo
Geo
Apr 20, 2020 9:04 AM

Based on an IFR of 0.1% – in the UK we have 16k circa deaths at present, that would suggest that 16 million in total have been affected in total, working backwards. Based on this approximate, we are therefore perhaps closer to herd immunity then generally assumed.

That also means that (assuming a level of immunity in the recovered population), that the R value should drop somewhat from it’s peak too, given there are already a substantially large number (although still a minority) have immunity, therefore the infected people can’t in theory pass on the virus at much. So this outbreak could reduce the infection rate for any future waves of this.

Again, all of this is conjecture, but just some theory based on the Stanford research so far.

I think Jay Bhattacharya at Stanford is planning a few more serology studies that, if similar in conclusion, will clearly give credence to the Santa Clara study. Not to mention we have the Diamond Princess ‘case study’ – where as I understood, the IFR was 1% amongst a median age of 60-65, again supporting the Santa Clara study.

We also know from South Korea and Germany where there has been a lot of testing that the IFR was around the Santa Clara estimate.

I’d be curious to know of any other supporting studies / serology studies coming up.

Dungroanin
Dungroanin
Apr 20, 2020 9:57 AM
Reply to  Geo

Your reasoning for estimation of total infected, based on ifr rates is a valid estimation equation.

If ifr = 0.01%. If deaths are 20k.
Then total infections = 20k/0.001
= 20 million.
(about 30% of UK population of ~ 70k)

So what population percentage is heard immunity ? 50,60,70,80,90,100?

At 60% e.g and 0.1% ifr. Total deaths would be
70million* 0.6* 0.001 =42,000

The constants aren’t fully agreed yet.
The ifr seem to be ranging between 0.1% and 0.35%.
The herd immunity level required too.
Covid deaths are an estimation because tests are inadequate.

So whats an upper level estimation for the above calculation?

At 80% HI and 0.35% ifr total deaths would be:
70 million* 0.8 * 0.0035 = 196,000
———-

The ONLY real datum we have is TOTAL EXCESS deaths. The week to end 10th April is due out publicly Tue morning.

Mike Ellwood
Mike Ellwood
Apr 20, 2020 11:06 AM
Reply to  Geo

For what it’s worth, this Newsweek report writing about a Cambridge University research project into the origins of “Covid-19”, and claiming it might have been around since September 2019. (I previously posted a link to a Metro report on the same subject, but they seem to have just copied what Newsweek wrote).

https://www.newsweek.com/coronavirus-outbreak-september-not-wuhan-1498566

There are some interesting and relevant comments beneath the article.

Richard Le Sarc
Richard Le Sarc
Apr 21, 2020 8:48 AM
Reply to  Mike Ellwood

Apparently it ’emerged’ no earlier than September, 2019, just as the repo explosion signaled the end of the debt Ponzi scheme. A coincidence theory, I know.

George Mc
George Mc
Apr 20, 2020 9:03 AM

I caught a little of the mainstream rhapsody yesterday. There’s a care worker being praised for all the work she’s doing – accompanied by the ubiquitous soulful piano music. She’s a Harry Potter fan so they get two of the cast to commend her – all of this via multiple linkage from separate rooms. Oh OK – I am sure there are care workers who are indeed carrying out heroic tasks. (But there always have been.)

But then we go over to the TV studio where there are two presenters and one says, “It humbles you to be in the presence of greatness”. I would have choked if I wasn’t so dumbfounded. What the fuck is going on here? Yes I can see the dedication in so many people. But why this attempt to elevate some into sainthood? And the endless clapping displays. And the sports “heroes” peddling away on their isolated bike machines to raise millions. It all looks suspiciously like war propaganda. And, just as in war propaganda, if you express any of your suspicions, you will be accused of ridiculing the efforts of these saints.

Grafter
Grafter
Apr 20, 2020 10:05 AM
Reply to  George Mc

Yep pretty sick reaction that but all part of the great pantomime we are being forced to endure.

richard
richard
Apr 20, 2020 10:18 AM
Reply to  George Mc

yep, the NHS is always overwhelmed during the flu season-

“UK: London’s temporary Nightingale hospital has remained largely empty, with just 19 patients being treated at the facility over the Easter weekend. London’s established hospitals have doubled their ICU capacity, and are so far coping with surge’

marvin
marvin
Apr 21, 2020 6:57 PM
Reply to  richard

I read an article that said most London hospitals operate at 120% capacity ! Now they are at 75% or less !!

Mike Ellwood
Mike Ellwood
Apr 20, 2020 11:28 AM
Reply to  George Mc

And then there’s

A gong for Captain Tom? PM will ‘look at ways to recognise’ WWII hero, 99, who has raised £17m for the NHS by walking 100 laps of his garden – as he says ‘I’d love to meet our marvellous Queen’
War hero Captain Tom Moore triumphed has completed final ten lengths of his garden on a zimmer frame
99-year-old finished last few steps of his 2,530-yard walk at his home in Marston Moretaine, Bedfordshire
Before he started the final leg of his challenge, he was saluted by four soldiers from the Yorkshire Regiment
He was given a rousing greeting as he began final stretch of fundraising walk which has raised £17million
The Duke of Cambridge and Duchess of Cornwall are said to have written to the Second World War veteran
[…]
Second World War hero Captain Tom Moore will be rewarded with an honour by the Prime Minister after he completed the final 10 lengths of his garden on a zimmer frame and raised a staggering £17million for the NHS.

The 99-year-old has captured the imagination of the public during the coronavirus lockdown with his heroics and finished his 2,530-yard walk at his home in the Bedfordshire village of Marston Moretaine with a huge smile yesterday.

Following the achievement, Boris Johnson’s official spokesman hinted at a possible knighthood and said: ‘Tom has demonstrated a lifetime of bravery and compassion. The PM will certainly be looking at ways to recognise Tom and his efforts’.

The Duke of Cambridge and Duchess of Cornwall have also written to the Second World War veteran after William made an undisclosed donation to the 99-year-old’s appeal, Kensington Palace has said.

It comes as Captain Moore, who has now successfully raised a total of £17million through his JustGiving page, said: I’d be amazed to have such an honour and meet our absolutely marvellous Queen. It’s unbelievable that it could happen.’

(Apologies for quoting the Daily Fail, but at least I didn’t give a link)

Will they relax the lockdown restrictions in order to let Tom meet Brenda?

Fair play to the old boy, and at least he’s getting fresh air and exercise, but I can do without all the hooey and virtue-signalling and credit-sharing associated with it.

George Mc
George Mc
Apr 20, 2020 2:23 PM
Reply to  Mike Ellwood

As Henning Wehn said, “We don’t do charity in Germany. We pay taxes. Charity is a failure of governments’ responsibilities.”

I can see that there are vast numbers of people out there who want to help, who want to make a difference and who care. And the fact that they can e.g. peddle “10 miles” in their bedrooms means they have plenty of energy. But what a total futile waste. Think of what else they could have done in terms of directly helping out. And, from the other side, what about the money raised? If some charity challenge had failed, e.g. if Captain Tom hadn’t finished the 10 lengths, would the givers say, “No. No-one’s getting my money till he does it!”

Of course, this is great news to the rich at the top – to have all the plebs knocking themselves out just to redistribute their money amongst themselves while these rich get to keep theirs.

marvin
marvin
Apr 21, 2020 6:58 PM
Reply to  Mike Ellwood

They are really putting him on a pedestal !! They are using him as another martyr !

John
John
Apr 22, 2020 11:44 PM
Reply to  George Mc

Media agendizes your empathy (where, when and what), it agendizes your concern, your fear, your reverence, and much more, and it rewards you for your compliance and suport, and it will condemn you those who do not comply.

Thus, like Oscar Wilde wrote:

“High hopes were once formed of democracy; but democracy means simply the bludgeoning of the people by the people for the people. It has been found out. I must say that it was high time, for all authority is quite degrading. It degrades those who exercise it, and degrades those over whom it is exercised. When it is violently, grossly, and cruelly used, it produces a good effect, by creating, or at any rate bringing out, the spirit of revolt and Individualism that is to kill it. When it is used with a certain amount of kindness, and accompanied by prizes and rewards, it is dreadfully demoralising. People, in that case, are less conscious of the horrible pressure that is being put on them, and so go through their lives in a sort of coarse comfort, like petted animals, without ever realising that they are probably thinking other people’s thoughts, living by other people’s standards, wearing practically what one may call other people’s second-hand clothes, and never being themselves for a single moment.”

jay
jay
Apr 20, 2020 8:51 AM

The covid death figures are deliberately presented by the MSM to allow no comparison to deaths in other years or from other causes.
If they were, the hype would be all too obvious. For example, 30000 died from hypothermia last year, why wouldn’t they publish the fact that 3000 poor old ladies had frozen to death in a week in the bleak midwinter? Or that 9 million people died from starvation world wide. Instead we ‘must’ focus on covid deaths. But, the flim flam is worse than that. Because, the majority of covid deaths are from other morbity.
This very website published an expose that the recent covid deaths in Italy are overstated by as much as 90%. The Italians collate their figures in a similar fashion to ours.
So, we ignore all of these other preventable deaths and destroy our way of life and ecconomy for a relative handful (if even a handful). Does that make any sense whatsoever?
And this apparant madness is happening worldwide, there will be famines in the 3rd world because of this nonsense to ‘save’ a mere relative handful of lifes?
Welcome to the NWO.
Short on order, long on chaos.

DAVID
DAVID
Apr 20, 2020 10:15 AM
Reply to  jay

I’m a bus driver, wheres my f-ing platitudes???

jay
jay
Apr 20, 2020 11:34 AM
Reply to  DAVID

See Boris, He loves us all…

beer
beer
Apr 20, 2020 1:03 PM
Reply to  DAVID

You’re a hero <3

JohnB
JohnB
Apr 20, 2020 3:09 PM
Reply to  DAVID

They’ll be along in minute …

jack(jim)
jack(jim)
Apr 20, 2020 8:40 AM

Coronavirus V: Last Week Tonight with John Oliver (HBO)

John Oliver reinforces government justification for house arrest and total destruction of the world economy.

jay
jay
Apr 20, 2020 8:52 AM
Reply to  jack(jim)

The eyes are windows to the soul.

Richard Le Sarc
Richard Le Sarc
Apr 20, 2020 10:01 AM
Reply to  jay

Verily.

Arsebiscuits
Arsebiscuits
Apr 20, 2020 11:17 AM
Reply to  jack(jim)

A walking talking piece of shit.

nondimenticare
nondimenticare
Apr 20, 2020 6:05 PM
Reply to  jack(jim)

I have a bit of insight into this via my family. My “progressive” siblings, laden with early baggage, are still eager to be part of the “cool kids” contingent. They devour John Oliver, Trevor Noah, Stephen Colbert nightly. They’re cool and funny and progressive, and I believe what they believe – ergo, I’m cool and funny and progressive too. Downright pathetic at our age.

jack(jim)
jack(jim)
Apr 20, 2020 8:37 AM

Wed knew this 4 weeks ago when the German evidence started to appear, which means government knew it 6 weeks ago, but they still placed us under house arrest.

Paul too
Paul too
Apr 20, 2020 2:09 PM
Reply to  jack(jim)

Plus ramped up the propaganda, sorry ‘addressed covid-19 public relations issues’ significantly to try to justify it.

Jojo
Jojo
Apr 20, 2020 8:09 AM

As more testing gets done, the fatality rate keeps dropping. Who woulda thunk it? D’oh.
———
Did We Just Blowup the Economy for a Bug with a 0.14% Fatality Rate?
By Chris Centeno, MD / April 18, 2020

If you remember way back to my second Corinavirus post 6 weeks ago, I posted that the fatality rate of this coronavirus was far less than the media was reporting. Now a new Stanford study just supported that idea after testing a large sample of people in one community. The results look much like my initial thoughts, the death rate of coronavirus is nowhere near what has been reported. Let’s dig in.

The Basic Math Problem with Media Reported Mortality Rates
The media has reported all sorts of fatality rates for COVID-19. Everything from 1% (ten times more lethal than the average flu bug among all age groups) to 3-7%. The actual mortality rates reported back in early March outside of environments that were total chaos were 0.2%-0.65% (1-3). The current US rate based on our total tests versus total deaths is about 0.5%.

However, anyone with a medical or science background has known for quite some time that these numbers are fiction. Meaning that we know that there are huge swaths of people out there who had the bug and never had any or had very mild symptoms and who were never tested. Hence, the real math looks like this:
….
https://regenexx.com/blog/did-we-just-destroy-the-economy-for-a-bug-with-a-0-14-fatality-rate/

Geo
Geo
Apr 20, 2020 8:32 AM
Reply to  Jojo

Exactly. I have seen a few MSM journalists starting to try and attack the Stanford study – look at Ambrose Evans in the Telegraph – it obviously doesn’t fit his agenda.

Clearly there may be some holes in the data and in the study, but that doesn’t completely destroy its credibility. The elephant in the room is that the lockdowns have been based on the original WHO death rate which was extremely misleading.

There will be more of these serology studies coming out over the coming weeks no doubt that will strengthen this more accurate assessment.

Sam
Sam
Apr 20, 2020 8:41 AM
Reply to  Geo

There are already a few. One of them, and a good summary of several others, can be read here:

Has SARS-CoV-2 Fooled the Whole World?

jack(jim)
jack(jim)
Apr 20, 2020 8:58 AM
Reply to  Geo

By refusing to test governments are able to confirm the high death rates.

richard
richard
Apr 20, 2020 10:20 AM
Reply to  Geo

Vs Neil Ferguson who presented such alarmist figures based on non peer reviewed work and oh yes …. he has never made a correct prediction in his life.

Richard Le Sarc
Richard Le Sarc
Apr 21, 2020 8:50 AM
Reply to  Geo

The Stanford ‘study’ is seriously flawed. Peer review will not be kind.

Admin2
Admin
Admin2
Apr 21, 2020 1:25 PM

Or do you just desperately want it to have been created in some lab somewhere, at the expense of your logical faculties? This is the only study of its kind. More should be welcomed so we can stop reasoning backwards.

George Mc
George Mc
Apr 20, 2020 7:46 AM

I had a strange dream last night where there were two different societies. One was the way ours used to be i.e. before the COVID stuff hit, and the other had a belief that they had a virus which they didn’t have. The latter could not be talked out of it since their entire culture and self-identity was based on this belief. The dream ended with someone from the first society walking up and down and shouting, “It’s a con! It’s a con!”

Moneycircus
Moneycircus
Apr 20, 2020 6:58 AM

Social distancing is the Tinder mentality gone mad. It protects us from the dangerous randomness of social interaction. Like a dating app, it saves us from those difficult introductions, chance conversations and untidy loose ends of real life.
Living at one remove from reality is already the norm for millions who dress, style their hair, decorate their homes, chose their holiday destinations with a selfie in mind, and who practice their poses for the friends they know exclusively and only on Facebook, Instagram or Snapchat.
These posts are far from spontaneous. Posters often reach out to a close adviser to gauge reaction and modify the communication before posting it, lest it strike the wrong effect. That is two removes from the immediacy of contact with real people, in fact, it’s three: You have a virtual walled garden into which you allow only certain friends, then you prepare an interaction with them but you first negotiate that interaction with a trusted advisor so that you say the right things in the right way.
No risk of a social media faux pas. I’m keeping it real, yah!
Covid-19 is the perfectly constructed, modern generational virus and the response makes perfect sense to those who date by app. No wonder the prison lockdown has been embraced so enthusiastically. It plays to the same fears and desires by selling a lie: that you can sanitize your life while getting more of what you want. (I note that some OCD sufferers have said that the injunction to wash hands repeatedly was not the kind of advice they needed to hear). Some users of dating apps have tired of the endless swiping: left to reject, right to like and new apps offer more “authenticity” by… wait for it.. ever-more curated, pre-approved groups of users. People you might actually let yourself talk to.
Digital passports would be the ultimate introduction for those seeking a safe way to talk to real, live humans. Dating apps already offer some pre-approval and even from mummy if you use Tinder’s Ma Filter. Now you may be freed from mom’s clutches, only to be embraced by The State, with the ability to select your next date from their digital passport, filtered by income, job type, social credit store and infection status.

Moneycircus
Moneycircus
Apr 20, 2020 7:16 AM
Reply to  Moneycircus

To save space, the rest of my post is here: the false promise of a shield from risk.

Reg
Reg
Apr 20, 2020 5:19 AM

This lad goes round NYC on his bike and a camera. Check him out before he’s taken down . . .

https://www.youtube.com/user/lincolnkarim1/videos

richard
richard
Apr 20, 2020 8:12 AM
Reply to  Reg

Had a flick thru- Incredible, Nothing!

Tutisicecream
Tutisicecream
Apr 20, 2020 9:06 AM
Reply to  Reg

Thanks for the link really good. A quick flick through and you find conversations with passers by discussions with security and the police about the legality of the orders given to him by them. And of course the key point that the lock down is nothing to do with the virus and all about social manipulation or by its trade craft name perception management. Is guy shows you there’s really not a lot happening in reality.

Tutisicecream
Tutisicecream
Apr 20, 2020 9:11 AM
Reply to  Tutisicecream

Whatever make sure you watch this short bit
https://youtu.be/bqLvACos3nQ?t=1375

Loverat
Loverat
Apr 20, 2020 4:07 AM

https://mobile.twitter.com/ClarkeMicah/status/1252015115936948225

Have a debate with Hitchens on Twitter, get your facts wrong – and he sends you to bed. So funny.

‘I suggest you go to bed’

Sam
Sam
Apr 20, 2020 3:51 AM
Jean Wilson
Jean Wilson
Apr 20, 2020 3:33 AM

Cashless society? Blockchain? Digital Prison? To be announced on 25 april 2020 by China, the first country to install its nation wide techo-hell:

“Blockchain Service Network is a cross-cloud, cross-portal and cross-framework public network that enables developers to easily and affordably develop, deploy, operate and maintain permissioned and permissionless blockchain applications and nodes.

While most people have judged China by its anti-digital currency stance, its blockchain efforts have been in high gear in the past few years. For one, Chinese companies have been among the most prolific in filing blockchain patents. And now, it’s all finally coming together in a groundbreaking network. The government intends on expanding the network internationally aggressively, once it proves it can scale domestically. The infrastructure is already in place, Li revealed, stating, “We have already deployed some international nodes in other countries, such as the U.S., Japan, Australia, Brazil, South Africa, Singapore and France.”

The US won’t like this at all. How will they react – or have they already acted by sending their corona bioweapon to china???

https://coingeek.com/china-gears-for-global-domination-with-national-blockchain-network-rollout/?fbclid=IwAR3HslCgaFt6JZ_72fxE9TtJxXW5GPR8sR2Xf8hX2woCT6uww8e44wDMswo

and, what is blockchain? you’ll be hearing a lot more about it soon.

https://coingeek.com/bitcoin101/

Richard Le Sarc
Richard Le Sarc
Apr 20, 2020 10:04 AM
Reply to  Jean Wilson

Excellent news-the Chinese renaissance marches on!

May Hem
May Hem
Apr 20, 2020 3:02 AM

Now Bill wants to hear you cough. University of Washington (aka Bill Gates) wants to listen to you cough at home.

“A team from the Paul G. Allen School of Computer Science & Engineering is developing an app that will allow health organizations to monitor coughs from self-quarantined COVID-19 patients at home. Right now, the researchers need to train the app to recognize coughing sounds, so they are asking for participants who can complete a quick 15-minute survey to collect coughs and other vocalizations.”

What next? A fart app?

https://slate.com/technology/2020/04/cough-covid19-coronavirus-app.html?fbclid=IwAR2rodUM741zE6jajg0FxQX-PDoJx1WyrOcgkQQrdkOhFW51YiabT8tGelk

Moneycircus
Moneycircus
Apr 20, 2020 4:23 AM
Reply to  May Hem

Listening to you at home without your permission? Unfortunate oversights, of course. Will never happen again.
Remember when Amazon’s Alexa picked up a private discussion between spouses about a new hardwood floor, then sent an email about the conversation to a contact? https://techcrunch.com/2018/05/24/family-claims-their-echo-sent-a-private-conversation-to-a-random-contact/
Or when Apple’s Siri was found to be recording the sound of people’s lovemaking? https://www.cnet.com/news/apple-will-no-longer-keep-siri-recordings-for-people-to-listen/

acar burak
acar burak
Apr 20, 2020 2:28 AM
Moneycircus
Moneycircus
Apr 20, 2020 5:19 AM
Reply to  acar burak

Very good discussion with a leading Swedish epidemiologist, Prof. Johan Giesecke. How to reverse the prison lockdown? – it has to be removed slowly, one rung at a time or you will see a big rise in deaths and pressure to reimpose the curfew. That is the cost of the lockdown policy.
Waiting for a vaccine will not work in a democracy. It will take too long. Immunity passports or wristbands has the problem that the antibody tests are not perfect. Do you need a passport? No. You just find people who have developed immunity and let them go back to work.
Infections may climb as UK returns to work – that is the only way to discover the extent of herd immunity. This is an unavoidable consequence of the UK’s prison lockdown policy. However he categorically rejects the Imperial College claims that deaths would have been higher without the curfew.
He says the political ramifications of the panic are totalitarian and dangerous and are still rolling out. Politicians decided to flex their muscles. They wanted to show force, perhaps to compete with the Chinese response. How long can you keep a prison lockdown in Europe? You can do that in China but not in a democracy. Britain is using its police far too much. Sweden sends health inspectors to check restaurants and public places – not police.
As Covid is not that different to influenza, you cannot really stop it from spreading. Those countries that are held up as successful in “stopping” it, will see a resurgence. They have delayed not prevented deaths. It will roll over Europe. You can protect the elderly. But the death rate is no higher than regular flu and there is no reason to panic.
There is a difference from the annual flu season which is spread by children. Covid does not seem to affect children particularly. With Covid people under 50 are a distinct minority, despite MSM giving disproportionate publicity to young people. The role of young people is to avoid infecting others, same as in any flu season.

Richard Le Sarc
Richard Le Sarc
Apr 21, 2020 8:54 AM
Reply to  Moneycircus

In Wuhan you have communal solidarity and faith in Government. The house-bound were served by a massive network of couriers, delivering food and necessities. They took the hit for their country. In Western dystopias, thanks to the magic of ‘freedom’ and ‘democracy’, the public is divided into increasingly bitterly partisan camps who HATE each other with growing fervour.

Admin1
Admin
Admin1
Apr 21, 2020 8:59 AM

What about the videos of protesters in Wuhan?

Lost in a dark wood
Lost in a dark wood
Apr 20, 2020 2:11 AM

This is a May 2010 report by The Rockefeller Foundation and Global Business Network.
Title: Scenarios for the Future of Technology and International Development
It can be found here:
https://archive.org/details/pdfy-tNG7MjZUicS-wiJb/mode/2up

It is dicussed by Dana Ashlie here:
https://youtu.be/ZphK_CMUbKg?t=1300

I have so far only skimmed through the document, but it looks significant. It states in discussing the “Lock Step” scenario:

In 2012, the pandemic that the world had been anticipating for years finally hit. Unlike 2009’s H1N1, this new influenza strain — originating from wild geese — was extremely virulent and deadly. Even the most pandemic-prepared nations were quickly overwhelmed when the virus streaked around the world, infecting nearly 20 percent of the global population and killing 8 million in just seven months, the majority of them healthy young adults. The pandemic also had a deadly effect on economies: international mobility of both people and goods screeched to a halt, debilitating industries like tourism and breaking global supply chains. Even locally, normally bustling shops and office buildings sat empty for months, devoid of both employees and customers.

elsewhere
elsewhere
Apr 20, 2020 1:52 AM

Another chilling video by Dr. Buttar

S Cooper
S Cooper
Apr 20, 2020 1:32 AM

Want to see the human population death rate go sky high? Leave the useless eaters penniless, throw them out of their homes without food and then subject them to the elements, fraught and rife with all soughts of nasty microbes and pathogens. A virtual Bill and Melinda Gates eugenicist wet dream come true.

So many useless eaters to dispatch (out of their misery) from this vale of tears, so many vaccinations to hawk along the way.

Magnus
Magnus
Apr 20, 2020 11:31 AM
Reply to  S Cooper

Gates would probably find a way to sell the homeless drugs to end their lives with…in the name of philanthropy.

“[the federal judge] had compared Microsoft’s executives to “drug traffickers” and “gangland killers,” said Bill Gates had “a Napoleonic concept of himself”

https://www.computerworld.com/article/2497911/the-microsoft-breakup-that-never-happened.html

Martin Usher
Martin Usher
Apr 20, 2020 7:38 AM
Reply to  Doubter

At an educated guess it will all be based on “The Game of Life”, a simulation program dating from the earliest days of computing. Modelling is essentially gaming where the world — the game space — has entities in it that interact using defined rules. You really don’t need state of the art programming for this unless you’re trying to make something like “Call of Duty” where you’re trying to model light, sound and ballistics in real time so it looks like a movie. So 13 year old code should work fine.

BDBinc
BDBinc
Apr 20, 2020 12:14 AM

Scientific evidence and proof of the media claims of death from COVID19 is not there.
No disease and/or death can be attributed to COVID19 or the Sars Corona-2 virus.
Even the CDC unreliable test states the test is inconclusive. That it does not prove disease it can hardly then to be said to cause of death.

The PCR test that says it does not establish Corona as cause the of disease how can it possibly can determine it to be cause of DEATH?

PCR “Positive [test] results are indicative of active infection with 2019-nCoV but do not rule out bacterial infection or co-infection with other viruses.
The agent detected may not be the definite cause of disease. .” CDC corona virus test
from JR nomorefakenews who has the best medical understanding in the blogs of non believers

Do you know how can they differentiate between SARS-CoV( global spread 2002-2003) and SARS-CoV-2 ( 89.9% nt identity with SARS-CoV) . They can’t .
The PCR test does not differentiate, they are just testing for only 100 nucleotides and SARS-CoV-2 has allegedly nearly 30,000 nucleotides .
So hypothetically all these people tested by now may all test positive with the 2002 Sars-corona( barring the false negatives in the constantly changing test results) or a corona cold virus, or have a false positive.

Is he saying 4% tested positive for common cold antibodies( corona or the 2002 corona).
Of course they used a fake morbidity figure for a fake pandemic.

Seamus Padraig
Seamus Padraig
Apr 19, 2020 11:45 PM

BELARUS UPDATE. President Lukashenko, who has steadfastly refused to put his country under lockdown, may now be joining the ranks of us conspiracy theorists:

“I once asked the question: is this pandemic, this coronavirus, a man-made phenomenon? I don’t know the answer yet, but I have my suspicions. Are politicians and others using this situation for their own purposes? You and I both know the answer to that question. You already see how it is used today … Doesn’t it seem to you that the powerful forces of the world would like to remake the world, without a ‘war’ (Emmanuel Macron has already called it a war), through this so-called ‘corona-psychosis’, or ‘info-demic’? Many people are asking: ‘what will happen after the pandemic?’” Lukashenko said, speaking to Mir TV in an interview airing Friday …

“And then, having printed out this 10 percent of global GDP, those who stay on their feet will come to us and say ‘here is a little for you, but now you will do what we say’. That’s how the world can be reshaped,” he warned.

That gibes well with these rumors I’m hearing about the IMF getting ready to release a bunch of emergency Corona-loans to distressed member-states.

Maybe Uncle Luka’s not so crazy after all?

Skeptic
Skeptic
Apr 20, 2020 12:57 AM
Reply to  Seamus Padraig

Lukashenko, Bolsonaro, Trump…Just let that sink in… These are the people making sense nowadays.

As for the IMF. I am terrible with legalese and I am not sure if these proposed reforms took place at the end (2017). But I have been looking at the International Health Regulations (2017)

“a legally binding instrument of international law that aims to a) assist countries to work together to save lives and livelihoods endangered by the international spread of diseases and other health risks and b) avoid unnecessary interference with international trade and travel.

After some “criticism” of their efficacy, a group of “experts made the following recommendations, they can certainly explain the u-turns, lunacy and changes of plans of many governments.

The reports make several recommendations to encourage governments to increase investment in outbreak identification and response programs. These include technical help from external sources conditional on mobilizing domestic resources, external financing for low income countries, pressure from the international community to increase investment, and considering outbreak preparedness as a factor in the International Monetary Fund’s country economic assessments, which influence governments’ budget priorities and access to capital markets.

The third compliance issue relates to countries’ obligation to rapidly report outbreaks. The reports recommend strengthening this obligation by WHO publicizing when countries delay reporting suspected outbreaks. In contrast, mechanisms ensuring that countries rapidly receive operational and financial support as soon as they do report were also recommended. A novel approach to encourage early notification is the World Bank’s Pandemic Emergency Financing Facility. This was created to provide rapid financing for the control of outbreaks and to protect countries from the devastating economic effects of outbreaks via an insurance program.

“Hey, there is an outbreak here! I have them on lockdown, may I have my loan now, please?”

wardropper
wardropper
Apr 20, 2020 2:54 AM
Reply to  Skeptic

Trump never makes sense. His attention span is too short for that. He simply hits upon as many random good ideas as bad ones. The media, while pretending to mock him, absolutely love the freedom his willy-nilly thought processes allow them. They can print whatever they like, and half the time what they print might even be true.

Shaking My Head
Shaking My Head
Apr 20, 2020 2:34 AM
Reply to  Seamus Padraig

Lukashenko: ‘It’s better to die standing than to live on your knees’
https://news.yahoo.com/better-die-standing-live-knees-095603687.html

Lukashenko: The pandemic is “yet another psychosis, which will benefit some people and will harm others.”
https://www.forbes.com/sites/jamesrodgerseurope/2020/04/04/in-belarus-lukashenko-has-his–own-ways-for-the-country-to-face-coronavirus/#53f659ab279d

Martin Usher
Martin Usher
Apr 20, 2020 7:41 AM

(Looking at the videos “Bald and Bankrupt” published on youTube from Belarus would suggest that the nation is practicing social distancing — it doesn’t seem to that crowded.)

Tim Jenkins
Tim Jenkins
Apr 20, 2020 8:30 AM
Reply to  Seamus Padraig

Maybe Uncle Luka’s not so crazy after all?

I’m sure The Simpsons script writers would agree !

https://www.bitchute.com/video/pD04fV7K97Vf/

All going according to plan, innit’ …

But, disturbing is, the fact that you’d have to be a swivel eyed loon to believe the land of make believe anymore and the Simpsons’ script writers, when it comes to medical & scientific matters, obviously: and yet, what do we see ? even Putin & Xi, playing ball … This should tell you all that something big is about to happen financially, in terms of new financial instrumentation and that my prognosis for 2020 was wholly correct, all along >>> a financial prognosis that was predicted after we did “Socialism for the Rich” back in 2008 and the first ever Blockchain Distributed Ledger was introduced: shortly after $$$16.2 TRILLION$$$ was created in 5 working days, to bail financially & morally bankrupted banks, in an “… atmosphere of palpable FEAR” said Tim Geithner. I did try to warn you all, not just here @OffG, but at the FT and the Guardian for well over a decade, before I was banned for life (except here @OffG)! but do folk listen while their scrolling their cheap toy low Tech. dumb phones ? ! Jesus truly wept … how much more dumbed down can people get ? I have never been wrong once in my predictions & prognosis of markets, from 1987 onwards and the First Enron Valhalla scandal, for the record >>>

https://www.econcrises.org/2016/12/07/enron-corporation-2001/

I recommend you Bin your toy Tech. phone, Now ! Next, you’ll all be saying that I’m lying or dreaming that the PTB engineers the weather >>> All FACT, wholly proven and at least PUBLICLY admitted by the CHINESE, who worked with Lockheed Martin, before the Beijing Olympics in 2008. I’m not the kind of guy who enjoys saying I told you so, so listen up, wake up & start searching for yourselves & self preservation (or I’m going to have to endeavour to become a journalist in later life, which would be tedious), before FUKUS engineers the perfect societal storm, as well as the weather.

When humans aspire to be Gods, bad things happen – happening right now.

Cease funding & power supply for the M.i.c. >>> reduce amplification, that simple.
Turn them down

MoH
MoH
Apr 20, 2020 11:40 AM
Reply to  Seamus Padraig

Its incredible that a full on communist dictatorship is the freest country in Europe. President Lukashenko has proven he is not a globalist stooge. He also said this:

He noted that pneumonias that are making headlines right now are just a small part of all life-threatening diseases. “We have many people with cardiovascular diseases, cancer, diabetes and obesity,” Aleksandr Lukashenko said.

The president noted that the death rate associated with coronavirus pneumonias is very small. These are people whose health was destroyed by other diseases. In this regard, he called on elderly people, in particular those with chronic diseases, to seek medical help as soon as they develop symptoms and not to resort to self-treatment. “Take care of yourselves, keep it in mind. Our doctors are doing a great job: they have already found their bearings and save even the most difficult patients,” Aleksandr Lukashenko said.

https://eng.belta.by/president/view/lukashenko-is-confident-in-belarus-coronavirus-strategy-129904-2020/

Reg
Reg
Apr 20, 2020 12:13 PM
Reply to  MoH

The MSM must have declared all-out war against him

Doubter
Doubter
Apr 19, 2020 11:18 PM

I haven’t followed corona much, but the studies this article links to are on MedArxiv. MedArxiv says:

medRxiv (pronounced “med-archive”) is a free online archive and distribution server for complete but unpublished manuscripts (preprints) in the medical, clinical, and related health sciences. Preprints are preliminary reports of work that have not been certified by peer review. They should not be relied on to guide clinical practice or health-related behavior and should not be reported in news media as established information.

Admin2
Admin
Admin2
Apr 19, 2020 11:22 PM
Reply to  Doubter

So you’re suggesting it’s non-peer-reviewed, like the Imperial report you mean?

Doubter
Doubter
Apr 20, 2020 12:04 AM
Reply to  Admin2

Yes.

Doubter
Doubter
Apr 20, 2020 12:11 AM
Reply to  Doubter

Just found a supposed peer-review of the study. I have not yet had time to read it, and am only mildly interested in the coronavirus.

Doubter
Doubter
Apr 20, 2020 12:26 AM
Reply to  Doubter

Also found other experts discussing the Imperial paper.

Doubter
Doubter
Apr 20, 2020 1:14 AM
Reply to  Doubter

It should be noted that the Imperial College received a substantial grant from the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation.

David
David
Apr 20, 2020 3:28 AM
Reply to  Doubter

And Chris Whitty, UK Chief Medical Officer, got $40 million from BMGF.

Doubter
Doubter
Apr 19, 2020 11:37 PM
Reply to  Doubter

There are fair points to be made about over-exaggerations, like how the infection fatality rate is absurdly low for those not at the end of their lives (see page 5).

The Moon of Alabama has another interesting piece, but it seems they believe the official numbers. Why they would do so is beyond me, given the absurd definitions, but it also must be remembered that the deaths counted are only from the hospital, and not the whole (at least in the U.K.).

Whatever the case, this is interesting stuff.

Objective
Objective
Apr 20, 2020 12:30 AM
Reply to  Doubter

I smell a stooge.

Doubter
Doubter
Apr 20, 2020 12:41 AM
Reply to  Objective

How so?

Objective
Objective
Apr 20, 2020 1:15 AM
Reply to  Doubter

Imperial College

Say no more…..No I beg you please say no more.

Doubter
Doubter
Apr 20, 2020 1:39 AM
Reply to  Objective

I don’t see your argument. Are you arguing Imperial College is unreliable? I have noted a potential bias, seeing their grant from the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation (see above).

Richard Le Sarc
Richard Le Sarc
Apr 20, 2020 3:50 AM
Reply to  Objective

Open your windows.

John Ervin
John Ervin
Apr 20, 2020 2:13 AM
Reply to  Doubter

I see Moon of Alabama insinuated into many of these threads so often, I finally lost my senses and gave it a click. They pan this site for “setting up strawmen” and with religious devotional overtones lobby for more masks and cowering in place.

I wept, I knew my IQ had been damaged in an ill-advised visit.

Doubter
Doubter
Apr 20, 2020 2:41 AM
Reply to  John Ervin

Would you mind writing out a logical debunking of their claims?

John Ervin
John Ervin
Apr 20, 2020 2:56 AM
Reply to  Doubter

It’s already been done here, in amplitudes intergalactic, for a month.

Besides, too lazy today: it’s Divine Mercy Sunday, so have some. I already gave.

Dungroanin
Dungroanin
Apr 20, 2020 10:09 AM
Reply to  John Ervin

No john it hasn’t- it may have been attempted but it didn’t succeed.

wardropper
wardropper
Apr 20, 2020 3:19 AM
Reply to  Doubter

With Mr. Ervin’s indulgence: Everybody here knows that OffG does not make a habit of setting up strawmen. Its interests lie in actual people who know actual facts. That’s why it exists. Its readers are generally well-informed, intelligent people, many of whom are quite happy to admit on occasion that they just don’t know. They also criticize many diverse points of view, as well as giving praise where it’s due – pointing also towards many diverse points of view. Strawmen are fodder for sensational media, and OffG is hardly that. Nor does it suffer from attention deficit – in other words, it is not so easily distracted.
It would surely be a waste of time trying to write out “a logical debunking of MoA’s claims”, because I suspect you do not want to hear it. In any case, there is quite enough for us all to do here following genuine leads to their comfortable, or uncomfortable, conclusions on a wide range of topics.
If you have the time, you might want to write out instead a logical defence of MoA’s claims? I have no doubt many of us would read it into the bargain.
Now I’m writing as if I was one of the OffG’s editorial staff . . .forgive my presumption.

Dungroanin
Dungroanin
Apr 20, 2020 10:10 AM
Reply to  wardropper

Lol – fig leafer.

wardropper
wardropper
Apr 20, 2020 7:01 PM
Reply to  Dungroanin

A remarkably insightful and helpful comment. Could go viral.

Doubter
Doubter
Apr 20, 2020 6:28 PM
Reply to  wardropper

I cannot really write a logical defense of the Moon of Alabama’s claims, for I have not fact checked them, and I have not followed corona much (as I previously stated). The only thing I have done is read both the Off-Guardian’s and Moon of Alabama’s claims without fact-checking either, viewed some of their Twitter debates and read some Reuters article on the issue.

I was curious as to the response the Off Guardian and its readers would give. I am simply playing devil’s advocate here. I am doing this because I noticed that the Off Guardian has been consistently promoting the narrative that the coronavirus is an exaggerated threat. There are two possible reasons I can think of: (1) the Off Guardian is reporting fairly and logically on an issue where the facts blatantly support one side of the argument or (2) the Off Guardian is being unreasonable, one-sided and biased. If (1), then a logical debunking would follow. If (2), then they would not address anything. Once I pointed out the fact that their papers are not peer-reviewed, they pointed out the fact that the Imperial paper which was used to model government’s response to this was also not peer-reviewed. A fair point, but I don’t see how it proves them right. In any case, I will probably not figure out who is telling the truth in a couple of hours. A thorough investigation would probably take days, and this is something that I am not willing to do.

Dungroanin
Dungroanin
Apr 20, 2020 10:08 AM
Reply to  Doubter

They won’t because they can’t – i’ll take MoA’s personal analysis of issues and relevant data over most comment pieces across the world.