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The Gates Foundation and the War on Cash ‘Financial Inclusion’ in an Age of Neoliberalism

Colin Todhunter

Back in November 2016, the Indian government decided to remove all 500- and 1000-rupee notes from circulation overnight without prior notice. This effectively removed 86% of cash in a country that was almost 90% cash reliant.

The notes became worthless and people were asked to hand them into banks. They would only receive what they had deposited in dribs and drabs over time in the form of new notes. The official reason for this was that the action would curtail the shadow economy and reduce the use of illicit and counterfeit cash to fund illegal activity and terrorism.

Some who questioned the official narrative regarded this ‘demonetisation’ policy as a ploy to take money from the public and use it to inject much-needed liquidity into the banking system that had been bled dry by the outflow of cheap money (and loan waivers) to large corporations which had been milking the well dry.

The purpose of this article is not to explore the merits or otherwise of this claim or the official government narrative. The point here is to highlight how the policy (also) formed part of an ongoing global ‘war on cash’.

In the discussion that follows, it will be shown that Bill Gates is a major player in trying to get the world to go digital and ditch cash, especially relevant given his role in the COVID-19 issue.

When we look beyond the mainstream narrative to gain an understanding of the current crisis, it doesn’t take long before the name of Bill Gates and his foundation appears. And this is no coincidence seeing that he has placed himself firmly in the limelight on prime time TV shows offering his opinion on COVID-19 and what he thinks should be done. He has mentioned the need for maintaining some form of lockdown until a vaccine is discovered.

Much has been written on the Gates Foundation’s close associations with the big vaccine manufacturers and its questionable practices and record in rolling out vaccines in places like Africa and India.

US attorney Robert F Kennedy Jr says that top Trump advisor Anthony Fauci has made the reckless choice to fast track vaccines, partially funded by Gates, without critical animal studies. Gates is so worried about the danger of adverse events that he says vaccines shouldn’t be distributed until governments agree to indemnity against lawsuits.

But this should come as little surprise. The Gates Foundation and its global vaccine agenda already has much to answer for. Instead of prioritising projects that are proven to curb infectious diseases and improve health – clean water, hygiene, nutrition and economic development – Kennedy notes that the Gates Foundation spends only about $650 million of its $5 billion budget on these areas.

It is fair to say that the Gates Foundation has an agenda: it believes that many of its aims can be delivered via the barrel of a syringe. It has been well documented in recent weeks about how the Gates Foundation has spread its tentacles into every facet of global health policy.

For instance, it is a major funder of the World Health Organization and donates to other pivotal players in the COVID-19 saga, not least Imperial College London whose Neil Ferguson produced hugely flawed data upon which the UK government implemented a lockdown, which entailed sanctioning draconian state powers and stripping of people’s basic rights via the Coronavirus Emergency Act.

Although often alluded to, Gates’s push for cashless societies is given less attention in the current climate but is just as important. It is not only the major pharmaceutical corporations which the Gates Foundation is firmly in bed with (along with the big agri-food players), it is also embedded with Wall Street financial interests.

The global shift from cash towards digital transactions is being spearheaded by Bill Gates and US financial corporations who will profit from digital payments. At the same time, by controlling digital payments (and removing cash), you can control and monitor everything a country and its citizens do and pay for.

War on cash in India

In India, the informal workforce has been measured at around 85%. By 2014, fewer than 35% of Indians above the age of 15 had used a bank account and under 10% had ever used any kind of non-cash payment instrument.

Although some voices welcomed the 2016 demonetisation policy, as they believed it would push many Indians off cash and towards ‘financial inclusion’, it was, according to economist Norbert Haring, concocted in Washington, not for the benefit of Indians but in the interests of Western financial institutions who are pushing for a cashless world.

For a lower-income country such as India, which runs on cash, the outcomes were catastrophic for hundreds of millions of people, especially those who did not have a bank account (almost half the population) or did not have easy access to a bank.

According to Haring, the global ‘war on cash’ has the backing of some heavy hitters: the major US banks and likes of PayPal, Visa and the Gates Foundation. Writing in 2017, he argued that the cooperation of the Gates Foundation and the Reserve Bank of India (RBI) has been a very tight one. For example, Nachiket Mor, a banker, is director of the Gates Foundation India. He is also a board member of the RBI with responsibility for financial supervision.

Haring indicates that the demonetization policy was carried out on behalf of USAID, MasterCard, Visa and the people behind eBay and Citi, among others, with support from the Gates Foundation and the Ford Foundation.

He adds that the start of direct cooperation of the Gates Foundation with the RBI on digital payments coincided with the work of the foundation in the President’s Global Development Council, which was to promote cooperation with foreign governments and the private sector with a view to securing US defence and commercial interests.

Bill Gates, Haring notes, gave an example of the link between worldwide digitalisation of payments (via the large US payment companies) and US security interests in a speech in 2015.

Gates said:

“If financial flows go into a digital system that the US is not connected to, it becomes much harder to find those transactions that you want to be aware of or you want to block.”

Demonetisation used the Indian population as a collective guinea pig to see how far the geostrategic interests of the US and those of Wall Street could be secured in a country of 1.3 billion people. The effects of people’s lives did not matter as long as the policy was pushed forward.

And this was carried out with reference to the usual corporate jargon of ‘financial inclusion’. Cash already provides financial inclusion.

What does not lead to financial inclusion or any time of inclusion is a neoliberal system that imposes gross inequalities, austerity, joblessness, neocolonialism and the destruction of indigenous practices and cultures under the guise of ‘development’, the deliberate impoverishment of farmers in India, the twisting and writing of national and international laws, the destruction of rural communities or an unjust global food regime.

It is clear that ‘financial inclusion’ really means eliminating the main competitor of digital payments and finance sector profits – cash. In capitalism, every aspect of human life is to be commodified in the quest for fresh markets and profit – in this case, securing payments from payments.

Norbert Haring quotes Dan Schulmann, CEO of PayPal, who has stated:

The major competitor we have is cash. Right now, 85 percent of the world’s transactions are done in cash. That is really what we are trying to attack right now.”

He also quotes Strive Masiyiwa, chairman and founder of Econet, a large African mobile phone company with a payment platform:

“Our major competitor is cash. Cash is what we seek to eliminate.”

It seems ‘financial inclusion’ really means denying sections of society their preferred method of payment – cash – to benefit the bottom line of these corporations.

Did Gates and his associates succeed in pushing Indians off cash?

By April 2018, the volume of digital payments had doubled. At the same time, however, at the end of May 2019, currency notes in circulation had increased by more than 22% over the pre-demonetisation level. The use of cash was expected to reach $2.45 trillion by 2021, up from $1.5 trillion in 2016, although demonetisation helped digital payments advance by three to four years.

The 2016 policy adopted a callous and ill-thought-out blanket approach. And it was not as though Indians were clamouring for digital – it was imposed on them.

Under cover of COVID-19 lockdowns, can we expect to see cash being pushed right to the margins when countries emerge from the current crisis (for instance, in an ongoing pandemic culture of fear and paranoia, it would be easy to convince people that notes and coins are potential transmitters of disease, or with mass unemployment we may have universal basic income schemes linked to digital payment systems)?

It can already be seen with large stores asking customers to pay by card whenever possible.

Many commentators have discussed how the current crisis has been used to remove basic rights and how vaccines and surveillance will be intensified. What could follow may also see our purchases and behaviour being monitored even further via digital payments.

For instance, Haring notes that in Kenya Gates saw little wrong in compelling mobile phone providers to give the authorities the opportunity to monitor all phone calls and mobile payments by telling phone companies to let contracted (private) companies hook up to all routers.

The plan was to monitor transactions and use the data to target people with advertising to make even more transactions, thereby driving consumption.

It doesn’t take a great leap of faith to appreciate how in a fully digital system, ‘financial flows’ could be blocked, as Gates implied back in 2015. This already happens in the dollar-centred monetary system.

But when there is no cash to fall back on and every single transaction in a society is computerised and can be monitored by the state and private corporations, will the term ‘financial inclusion’ then sound so benign?

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Jack Cooper
Jack Cooper
May 28, 2020 5:03 PM

‘The war on cash is a war on freedom. How can you buy something if a computer can just say ‘no’. Exactly-that’s the idea.’- David Ike

James Johnson
James Johnson
May 2, 2020 5:42 PM

This article is a perfect example of what the best of the best journalism should be about! It exposes something that is, could be extremely detrimental to humanity-globally; exposes the major players; indicates the effects and many ramifications of this scenario, etc., etc., etc., etc!!! Thank You!!!!

Helge
Helge
May 1, 2020 2:58 PM

A filthy Stalinist “Off-Guardian” wanker pig deleted all my comments (laugh).
They were simply too honest, too specific and too concret for that filthy pig!
That’s not the kind of things those dirty commie bastards like to have! (lol)

Admin1
Admin
Admin1
May 1, 2020 3:04 PM
Reply to  Helge

Helge, you keep posting endless replies to yourself comprising music videos or comments about actors, not remotely connected with anything ATL. You are also posting under multiple IDs. This is spamming. Please don’t do this in future.

sharad jain
sharad jain
May 1, 2020 7:06 AM

You have not updated the facts on Nachiket Mor on his association with Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation and him being a member of the RBI board is incorrect. He does not hold any position in the either. It has anyways become very difficult who, what to believe.It makes one wonder and think.Hope you and your editors will make the necessary changes in the article. Thanks

corpwatcher
corpwatcher
May 1, 2020 9:14 AM
Reply to  sharad jain

Wrong.
Nachiket Mor has been associated with both.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nachiket_Mor

sharad jain
sharad jain
May 2, 2020 6:48 AM
Reply to  corpwatcher

True, but an update in the article would be nice to present the true and correct picture. Perceptions are everything, so I am told

Charlotte Russe
Charlotte Russe
Apr 30, 2020 7:07 PM

I CARE NOT WHO MAKES ITS LAWS

“Permit me to issue and control the money of a nation, and I care not who makes its laws! ” This quote is attributed to Mayer Amschel Rothschild. Of course a Rothschild would understand the importance of controlling money, inasmuch, as during the 19th century the Rothschild family possessed the largest private fortune in the world. Now Jeff Bezos and his tech compadres have surpassed Rothschild’s wealth.

That brings me to how a digitized currency controlled by the government, but operating in a public/private partnership with tech billionaires will not only control the nation but will be able to micromanage worldwide populations. To put it simply, digitized currency is a powerful form of social control.

A cashless society obviously eliminates all anonymity, inasmuch, as every monetary transaction is monitored and scrutinized. Discreet purchases, cash gifts, or tips would no longer be possible. But
that’s not the worst of it. Let’s suppose an individual is targeted for whatever reason, what would prevent the government from freezing their digital account. If we lived in a cashless society, there would be no alternate way to survive without access to the digitized economic system. Everyone would be literally “walking on pins and needles” hoping not to offend a government which can instantly cause you to be persona non grata.

TAKE YOUR CHANCES

By the way, the poor are the most adversely affected in a cashless society. “Participation in a cashless society presumes a level of financial stability and enmeshment in bureaucratic financial systems that many people simply do not possess. Opening a bank account requires an ID, which many poor and elderly people lack, as well as other documents such as a utility bill or other proof of address, which the homeless lack, and which generally create bureaucratic barriers to participating in electronic payment networks. According to government data from 2017, about one in 15 U.S. households (6.5%) were “unbanked” (had no checking or savings account), while almost one in five (18.7%) were “underbanked” (had a bank account but resorted to using money orders, check cashing, or payday loans).”

Surviving in a cashless society assumes economic transactions will go “uninterrupted” and individual resources will NOT be confiscated or frozen based on arbitrary decision making. That means the public must trust a corrupt government comprised of eradicate bureaucrats controlled by the security state. We all saw how well that worked out during the shutdown. Mindless apparatchiks passed the most ludicrous rules and regulations.

By the way, I wonder how the 2,579,000 homeless in China survive in a cashless society. Is there a special phone app for panhandlers…………

Igor
Igor
Apr 30, 2020 5:09 AM

I first heard of the demonetization when I read an article around 2016 by some dot Indian IT guru extolling an IT project called “India Stack”. That was the name of the infrastructure that enabled the centralized control of 1.8 billion people. He was excited and proud for the future.
The people were to be given simple mobile phones that would be connected to a payment account and to their health records. Each person’s bio-metric identity was to be uploaded to track them through the financial system and the health system.
Big losers in demonetization would also include the bureaucrats out in the sticks, who would require cash bribes to do the needful.

Richard Le Sarc
Richard Le Sarc
Apr 30, 2020 9:54 AM
Reply to  Igor

Big losers the lower castes. Big winners, the Brahmins.

Eric McCoo
Eric McCoo
Apr 29, 2020 7:57 PM

Excellent article. A little detour

I suspect that Gates like Soros and Omidyar is a CIA conduit, a credible source of huge amounts of money.

In the story of how IBM managed to ‘steal’ CP/M from DR back in the 1980s, Microsoft was a passive middle man that covered up the theft by buying it from the guy who s copied it. then selling it to IBM .

MS-DOS was a renamed form of 86-DOS– owned by SCP, written by Tim Paterson

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MS-DOS#History

Eric McCoo
Eric McCoo
Apr 29, 2020 7:59 PM
Reply to  Eric McCoo

Why Microsoft ? How did they become so successful ?

The official story is that Gates conned IBM into believing they had bought exclusive rights to MS-DOS while holding on to his copyright. A bizarre David and Goliath tale.

Igor
Igor
Apr 30, 2020 4:56 AM
Reply to  Eric McCoo

Worse than just that, Bill Gates did not even own the rights to the software that he was peddling to IBM. Gates did not purchase the software from a third party, until he had a commitment to purchase from IBM. IBM’s Legal team evidently did not do any due diligence at the time into the deal. Maybe because Bill’s mother was on the Board of IBM at the time.

Robbobbobin
Robbobbobin
Apr 30, 2020 10:47 AM
Reply to  Igor

“until he had a commitment to purchase from IBM”

Until he committed to licence it to IBM.

“IBM’s Legal team evidently did not do any due diligence at the time into the deal.”

IBM’s legal team probably went along with it. IBM was the world’s leading computer company at the time and its board and senior management level hubris was worn on its sleeve. There were /real computers’ (‘mainframes’) and there were educational toys.

Gates, on the other hand, was only aspiring to his current mastery of hubris and had had to wrestle with (I think) Altair over the ownership of the ROM-BASIC, for whom or for whose systems it was written. Gates won the resultant court case but has not deviated from a policy of retaining (or whatevering) formal ownership ever since

As for an intro to IBM when its PC development team was looking for a user programming facility, hey, what are good mothers in self-entitled families for after they’ve boiled the cabbage and mashed the potatoes?

Bill Gates viewed from the outside:comment image

Bill Gates viewed from the inside: https://i.insider.com/5e86f171d5873a0d6a6616d3

Robbobbobin
Robbobbobin
Apr 30, 2020 9:34 AM
Reply to  Eric McCoo

“The official story is that Gates conned IBM into believing they had bought exclusive rights to MS-DOS while holding on to his copyright.”

That’s probably dependent on which self-proclaimed “official” story you are taking as ‘official”.

It’s more likely that Gates, who is not a clumsy con man (nor Allen, who was with him in New Mexico at the time, to sell IBM license rights to their ROM-BASIC, which had been developed for–from memory–Altair hardware and which was necessary to enable the first IBM PCs to have a ‘user programming’ mode) rather told IBM a porky, namely that Microsoft also had a suitable operating system that was almost ready to go but they would need some time to clean it up.

Apart from the small team who developed the PC, most of the IBM board and senior management had a hubristic disregard for hobbyist/home computers beyond viewing them as probably profitable toys that would lead buyers into ‘real computing’, to the extent that they even permitted open publication of the full hardware schematics for first ‘PC’.

Against that background lack of foresight it was easy for Gates to negotiate a deal which retained ownership of the unseen (read “nonexistent”) OS for Microsoft and grant IBM ongoing rights to that MS-DOS system, branded as PC-DOS, while similarly licensing MS-DOS to any other manufacturers or users of what they, contrary to IBM’s view, saw as the inevitable rush of PC clones. Such a retention of ownership by developers and contractors in many fields, with agreed licensing to third parties–including the commissioners of the projects concerned–forming the basis of business between those ‘owners’ and the latter was not unusual in the immediate pre-finacialization era (I suspect much less so now).

Back in Seattle, Microsoft hurriedly found and Allen negotiated the sale of SCP’s internally used QDOS (Quick and Dirty Operating System) to Microsoft with the then SCP employee responsible for QDOS, Tim Paterson. SCP later claimed that the identity of the then-sole ultimate licensee that Microsoft needed the OS for, IBM, had been purposely withheld to massively minimize the agreed price ($50,000) and a decade or so later SCP sued Microsoft on both that count and an associated back-licensing agreement that granted SCP rights to market its hardware product with free access to all later versions of DOS.

paul
paul
Apr 30, 2020 4:23 PM
Reply to  Eric McCoo

By suppressing competition and ruthlessly exploiting a monopoly position on a second rate product.

Robbobbobin
Robbobbobin
Apr 30, 2020 6:42 AM
Reply to  Eric McCoo

“MS-DOS was a renamed form of 86-DOS– owned by SCP, written by Tim Paterson”

Wikipedia, Schmikipedia:

Tim Paterson documents his claim to MS-DOS fame in greater relevant detail at http://dosmandrivel.blogspot.com/2007/08/is-dos-rip-off-of-cpm.html

Copies of C/PM sources are downloadable from http://www.cpm.z80.de/source.html

Copies of 86-DOS are still available for/from private collectors and maybe also on Ebay, etc.

Copies of MS-DOS v1.0 may be similarly obtained and a brief but as far as it goes accurate description of both it and its API is online at https://winworldpc.com/product/ms-dos/1x/ as are copies of MS-DOS v1.25 (the first version to available to OEMs other than IBM and Seattle Software) and its IBM equivalent PC-DOS v1.10.

Copies of IBM’s PC-DOS from the v0.95 pre-release onwards are also downloadable from https://winworldpc.com/product/pc-dos/1x/

Most of these OSs now require emulators to simulate now largely unobtainable hardware (and peripherals such as pre-3.5″ diskettes, etc); some require a two-byte addition to the end of the original disk code (as detailed on the download pages).

Those interested in computer archaeology may be interested to know that, in the first instance, even a simple, competent hex editor with (usual for such) ascii interpretation facilities can serve as a basic forensic tool…

Robbobbobin
Robbobbobin
Apr 30, 2020 9:54 AM
Reply to  Robbobbobin

Cut and paste as a means of revision is less than ideal.

It seems that a note that SCP sold its internal development, pre 86-DOS–i.e. ‘QDOS’–to Microsoft got lost in some syntactical shuffling. As far as I can recall SCP never sold its subsequent 86-DOS to anybody.

I do not know where you can get a copy of QDOS. I have one but it is encumbered with a promise to its provider that I would not pass it on. Neither of us is dead yet.

Arsebiscuits
Arsebiscuits
Apr 29, 2020 7:24 PM

I don’t know if anyone here has the correct figure Bill gates spends on advertising and maintaining his MSM image fitted well as an benevolent do gooder. I know its something astronomical.

Off-Anything
Off-Anything
Apr 30, 2020 8:13 AM
Reply to  Arsebiscuits

I remember Microsoft buying an encyclopedia and referring to Bill Gates the word “dropout” was replaced with “philanthropist”.

Martin Usher
Martin Usher
Apr 29, 2020 6:36 PM

Focusing on privacy issues and control tends to overlook another detail about cash that we all take for granted. Its the only medium of exchange that historically costs nothing to use, the cost of production and management being borne by society as a whole rather than the users. Electronic banking in its various forms is convenient but its also owned by banks or bank-sponsored consortiums and these banks typically extract a transaction fee for every transaction. The exact amount varies from user to user and would be difficult to ascertain because of ‘commercial confidence’ or similar but its typically a few percent of the transaction value. This is tantamount to a VAT like tax but instead of it being levied on behalf of society its used as a profit driver for the banks.

We cannot completely eliminate cash unless electronic exchanges become public entities. Although there are numerous concerns about ‘the government’ watching every transaction they do effectively do this at the moment. Currency is serialized and in theory it would be possible to scan and log every currency note every time its used. Governments have also in the name of crime prevention criminalized the owning of large sums of cash (in many jurisdictions you’re likely to get it confiscated unless you can prove that you came by it legitimately — with the definition of ‘legitimate’ being somewhat fluid).

(BTW — Blockchains aren’t the answer because they rely on an Internet infrastructure owned by ??? and they don’t scale.)

John
John
Apr 29, 2020 6:03 PM

Imagine, psychologically, cash, it is something which you have in your hands, and you draw it deliberately and consciously in some amount from a resource (be this a bank account, or wherever people keep it). Cash flows through your hands, you count it, you hand it over manually, you see it disappearing. Paying with digital means on the other hand though is as easy as swiping your card over an electronic machine which withdraws it from your bank account. Online paying can also be made very easy, they are constantly inventing ways to make it more easy.

Aside of the issue of digital transfers being registered, aside of the privacy issue, has anyone ever realized that these ever more easy paying methods might statistically on the large scale lead to a greater flow of money into the pockets of corporations, psychological obstacles being taken away?
Another thing here is that digital registration also allows for more accurate data mining in the sense of analyzing how people spend their money, which the marketing sector can use to milk the cows even more.

Easy pay, an easy electronic milking machine?

ame
ame
Apr 29, 2020 5:53 PM

We are no longer a country with a government, we are now a government with a country.

today whilst queuing like commie socialist in a CONservative front government for my shopping (2.2meters apart that 6ft) stickers on the floor said so, as well as only 20 allowed in the shop at all times and your only allowed 3 of each items.

I look over across the road and saw 2 traffics wardens, i remind people in the que was traffic wardens a essential service.?? have a look at that and made sure the que was aware of how insidious and over the top it is.

The response was really good

Traffic wardens out whilst people are in lock-down looking for parking offenders clearly is a priority for the council = government.

I am noticing a different vibe out there and people more receptive especially when they see something like that

viper
viper
Apr 29, 2020 4:39 PM

my daughter-inlaw stopped at a noodle express yesterday in Missoula MT…..they refused her service because she was paying in cash….so it begins, even here….

Gary Weglarz
Gary Weglarz
Apr 29, 2020 3:21 PM

Most with even a rudimentary familiarity with Western history are certainly aware of the routinely amoral, self-serving, repressive and uber-violent behavior of our elites century after century for millennia. Yet the very same person who can look “back in time” and critically evaluate the behavior of brutal Roman emperors, violent, corrupt, amoral Popes, completely degenerate Kings and royalty, heads of state, and the political class in general – in years gone by – somehow find it impossible to imagine the same levels of ethical and moral corruption and attendant self-serving behavior at play in our own times.

I must say I find this completely baffling. We have simply replaced the “infallibility of the Pope,” and the “divine right of kings,” with “the miracle of the market,” with it’s “invisible hand” placing tens of hundreds of billions of dollars into the hands – (not of course of those in need) – but instead into the ever clutching grasp of a cadre of amoral often psychopathic monsters who are then lauded in the media they personally “own” as “heroic” and blessed by “grace” and clearly our “betters” – all by virtue of our own collective psychic – “worship” – of their endless accumulation of vast obscene wealth.

Perhaps we’ll soon be treated to MSM articles touting – “the infallibility of Bill Gates” – which would only of course confirm the beliefs of far too many I suspect.

John
John
Apr 29, 2020 6:39 PM
Reply to  Gary Weglarz

Indeed, Western white imperialism is as aggressive as ever in history, they get away with it by using humanism and progress as a vessel, a false humanism, and a materialist progress (which is a progress into ever more slavery). Together comprising of a new secular religion, using scientific experts (the new secular priest class).
Using science also means that people are made dependent again, this time not on a religious class of priests (who allegedly knew more than ordinary people), but dependent on a class of secular experts. It is all above the heads of the ordinary individual to determine, so the experts are called with their computer models, their statistics, infographics, the new scriptures so to speak. It appears to be very advanced, but it is actually a new form of primitivism, a new form of dependency and belief.

Two factors of power mongering are in play, Westerners as objectivist-materialists, and international Zionism, as subjectivist-materialists. They are heading towards disaster though, the aggressive materialist agenda is doomed to fail, sooner or later.

Luckily Russia until now is heading on a different path, not forgetting its sprituality, it is the question which course Latin Americas will run. The Eastern world, originally being subjectivist-spiritualists have already been heavily compromised by Western aggressive materialism and its struggle for power. Russia is also continuously on target of course.
I think there is considerable spiritual resistance against Western materialist hegemony, there being a global power struggle, nothing less than a global spiritual war going on. Everything we see in the Western world, is upside down, inverted, a pyramid of materialism, where what should be at the bottom, is on top, and vice versa, and what should be on top, is being attempted to crush.

Gary Weglarz
Gary Weglarz
Apr 29, 2020 10:08 PM
Reply to  John

John – I concur. I’ve been reading the fine book from the early 1980’s (that somehow I’d missed until now) called “Beyond Geography: The Western Spirit Against the Wilderness,” by Frederick Turner. It deals with the spiritual heart of all this, as does your post. I highly recommend it as I think you might resonate to it as deeply as I find myself doing.

Paul Vonharnish
Paul Vonharnish
Apr 29, 2020 2:44 PM

Guess how much digital currency will be worth when all the digital tech systems go down. One cough of electromagnetic pulse from the Sun, or a series of EMP grid sabotage. Same result…

paul
paul
Apr 29, 2020 4:20 PM

This will all depend like everything else on about 1,000 or less live orbiting satellites, most of them in low earth orbit.

Kim and Iran don’t need nuclear warheads. All they need do is get a few of their older missiles, load them up with a few tons of gravel or nuts and bolts, then fire them straight up to explode at an altitude of about 200 miles. Millions of fragments of space debris orbiting at 17,000 miles, taking out one satellite after another.

Then no mobile phones, no credit cards, no GPS, no military communications or fancy digital toys. The Exceptional And Indispensable Folk couldn’t live without their toys and would surrender after a couple of days.

Harriet
Harriet
Apr 30, 2020 10:04 PM
Reply to  paul

I have recently wondered why a lot of folks don’t dodge at least some of the surveillance by getting land lines. And flip an eff-you to the putative do-gooders who would entangle us in their cyber-app=tracking web.

I still have a land line, feel quite paranoid if I have to use my cell (flip phone) for anything besides emergencies etc. while away from home.

paul
paul
Apr 30, 2020 10:25 PM
Reply to  Harriet

Sorry, H., but land lines have been monitored for years to just the same extent.

Harriet
Harriet
May 1, 2020 12:23 AM
Reply to  paul

I thought you needed a warrant to tap a phone.

paul
paul
May 1, 2020 1:12 AM
Reply to  Harriet

They come free with packets of corn flakes.
All accepted by any FISA court.
GCHQ and the NSA have been carrying out blanket landline surveillance for decades.

Harriet
Harriet
May 1, 2020 2:15 AM
Reply to  paul

Hm . Even if a FISA court would grant a warrant to eavesdrop on my convesations, that seems less invasive than just doing it. Because I really cannot imagine anyone making an application to the FISA court to eavesdrop on me. Whereas if it is all in cyberspace, they don’t even need a figleaf ,or cornflake, to surveil, right? They just scoop up everything out of the ether, right?

paul
paul
May 1, 2020 6:37 PM
Reply to  Harriet

They just hoover everything up and store it for ever.
Every e mail, every phone call, every internet search, everything.
Then pull it when they decide to target you or anybody else.

Harriet
Harriet
May 1, 2020 7:04 PM
Reply to  paul

Well, at least my regular telephone is not frying my brain.

Richard Le Sarc
Richard Le Sarc
May 2, 2020 9:57 AM
Reply to  Harriet

Nice one, Harriet. Subtle.

Nemo Nomark
Nemo Nomark
Apr 29, 2020 5:44 PM

That’s something I’ve often thought too Paul, the Sun could be our saviour.

Will
Will
Apr 29, 2020 2:08 PM

Has anyone seen the new Netflix doc – Coronavirus explained? Mr Bill heads it up, if anyone has any thoughts on the doc please share

Mark
Mark
Apr 30, 2020 8:36 PM
Reply to  Will

Yes as soon as Bill Gates entered the conversation I subsequently turned it off. So actually when I say yes I mean the first 5 mins. That’s all I needed to realise it was all going to be throat gauging of vaccines and how the Coronavirus was going to savage the earths population. Then arise Sir Gates to the rescue

LeRuscino
LeRuscino
Apr 29, 2020 2:08 PM

JP Morgan said “Gold is Money & everything else is Credit” !

breweriana
breweriana
Apr 29, 2020 3:35 PM
Reply to  LeRuscino

J. P. Morgan was a very clever and intelligent banker. The statement he made was during an enquiry held in the USA in 1913.

When asked if credit was money, he replied,
“sometimes.”

He was then asked,
“Well, then, what is money?”

His reply:
“Money is Gold, and nothing else.”

The distinction is important.

ame
ame
Apr 29, 2020 5:56 PM
Reply to  LeRuscino

Millionaires don’t use Astrology, billionaires do.” JP Morgan

RealPeter
RealPeter
Apr 29, 2020 1:38 PM

Under the pretext of avoiding coronavirus spread, the Covid crisis is being used to promote credit-card transactions to the detriment of cash – I can see several examples in my own locality, including short-circuit farm shops whose staff would undoubtedly be shocked to learn they’re part of such a project. Like other aspects of the political response to the (relatively mild – this is no Black Death or even Spanish flu) current epidemic, people are being sold repressive measures as being for the greater good.

breweriana
breweriana
Apr 29, 2020 3:37 PM
Reply to  RealPeter

It’s a confidence trick.
Stores may not refuse cash to settle a debt.
This is why we have the Legal Tender Laws.

Nemo Nomark
Nemo Nomark
Apr 29, 2020 5:48 PM
Reply to  breweriana

They can get around that by invoking their right to refuse service as a private business.

breweriana
breweriana
Apr 30, 2020 10:29 AM
Reply to  Nemo Nomark

Turning away business is the surest way to bankruptcy.

breweriana
breweriana
Apr 30, 2020 10:33 AM
Reply to  Nemo Nomark

Also, you can simply pick up your essential items, drop your business card on the counter with your name and address and say,
“Bill me.”
Then walk out.
It is not a case the police will take on, as it has now become a civil matter.

Dungroanin
Dungroanin
Apr 29, 2020 11:26 AM

Colin,

You can’t have it both ways is it ‘demonetisation’ or
is it
‘at the end of May 2019, currency notes in circulation had increased by more than 22% over the pre-demonetisation level.’?

—–
Money, currency, economics… I used to think I knew it all until 30 years ago – but more in that later.

But first-

My impression of what happened in India is that the shadow cash economy was being used to evade taxes -mostly by the middle classes and very very rich.

A lot of cash was kept in safes. Many transactions in cash particularly using jewellers as shadow bankers meant that tax receipts were well below the expected levels! What has happened to these.

Many of the rich cas horders tried to launder the cash by getting the very poor to open bank accounts to deposit their ‘savings’ of old currencies and withdraw it all again as new currencies – the henchmen organising the recruitment, queuing up in the hot sun, form filling , disbursement& collecting the new currency outside immediately. Many a banker being part of the grand scheme often getting caught with car boot fulls of new currency being taken to their patrons at night, leaving the banks short of the new currency daily causing extra chaos.

Wasn’t there cases of multimillionaires who suddenly got their sons and daughters married and said that millions of rupees were given as gifts by the thousands of guests that turned up at the weddings, as is apparently traditional. And thus banking the old currency gifts without having to be taxable – lol.

There is more to this then meets the eye.

Currencies are tokens for paying tax and if the tax is avoided there are consequences for society.

On the other hand tokens can also be used as currency where currency diesn’t exist – every prison for instance. Cigarettes, drugs, alcohol, all things with imtrinsic value can be currency and as such ‘cash’.

I found a small bottle of scotch ones in deepest Venezuela indio village chieftains shack that he had as the village treasury/shop – when I proffered currency he refused and pointed at my boots ! Well what could I do, the boots came off and he handed them to ine of the Villages young adult/teenagers gathered around who put them on and found they fitted.

The Deal was done!

I drank the whisky that night under the stars in a ancient village and started to wonder about the nature of money!

D Y
D Y
Apr 29, 2020 12:10 PM
Reply to  Dungroanin

Interesting defense of an indefensible policy. If India had a tax evasion problem the simple solution would be to fund further enforcement and increase taxation powers. But the real solution no politician has the balls to understand or say is that taxes are obsolete. The government can create via its central bank as much currency as a country requires… They do it already…when the USA creates $Trillions in minutes to fund “coronavirus bullshit bailouts for whole economy” do you really think they need your few thousand dollars every year!!!??? Wake up…taxes are for wealth extraction and financial repression and poor people persecution only….rich people don’t pay tax!!! No actual tax money is spent on the country or tax payer. I doubt actual USA taxes could cover the interest on their debt….

Paul Vonharnish
Paul Vonharnish
Apr 29, 2020 2:33 PM
Reply to  D Y

Hello DY: Agree. In short: Taxation is theft. Civilian populations have always been held as “collateral” to banking interests, and military vassals always employed as paid mercenaries and enforcers. Seems “they” don’t allow this to be taught in schools.

As you stated, “rich people don’t pay tax.” True. They collect tax and recirculate the spoils to a “chosen” few. Same wine. Same bottle…

Dungroanin
Dungroanin
Apr 29, 2020 5:16 PM
Reply to  D Y

Great, you ignored that there is more cash in circulation in India than before! It’s in the article.

Secondly taxes are the ONLY thing that makes a country’s currency valuable in that country. Because the government demands that taxes due to it are paid in THAT currency only.

Taxes are as old as the Greeks, Romans and the Domesday Book.

All money is created by Government directly – raising, arming and paying for the Army for example (yup its not private enterprise its socialism). They just ‘print’ the the money to pay for that directly – telling the Treasury to send a credit to each soldiers account. Etc

Taxes are than collected from that created money and when reaching back to the Treasury they wipe out the initial created money. The bit that doesn’t come back is in someones account as their savings.

Money is not wealth. My understanding of that started with my experience in a far away place where money was useless but a wealth exchange was possible.

D Y
D Y
Apr 30, 2020 1:39 PM
Reply to  Dungroanin

Hi Dungroanin,

I like your debating style and you are correct that taxation can confer value upon a currency. Perhaps the tax requirement and a country’s ability to militarily enforce payment from its citizens or foreign debtors is the only thing that does give dollars their value. However, I genuinely see no actual funding purpose for taxation in modern governments, do you?

The Zionist central bankers and their whores in politics have reduced the velocity of money so greatly that despite Fed printing to infinity and unrestrained currency creation no inflation can occur apart from in all the intangible things that are none negotiable like healthcare, housing, care homes, food etc. as that is all the plebs can afford to spend on. All this printed trillions garbage just ends up in 50 or 100 offshore bank accounts as untaxed dead digits. I genuinely believe that if you delete central banks and let a country’s treasury create a currency to be spent into the economy directly no human enslavement of future generations will occur via bond sales that condemn our great grand children to a life of debt slavery. People say you can’t let government’s create currency directly as hyperinflation will occur but holyshit Trump conjures trillions in minutes by asking the Fed to print to no ill effect…..yet….so why do we need taxes again???!!! You say they confer value to a currency but I say you can confer value to a currency without them…e.g. Bitcoin is required to pay no taxes yet they have a value as they are not able to be printed to infinity or debased…yet… and yes I am aware that bitcoin was created by the NSA (“Nakamoto SAtoshi”) the new trap to remove the freedom to purchase anonymously.

So create currency debt free!!!

Dungroanin
Dungroanin
Apr 30, 2020 5:08 PM
Reply to  D Y

DY,
You ask why is there a need for state to tax?

Well – so that the state can eat and cloth and house and drink and entertain itself without having to get their hands dirty farming, chopping , baking …

So the old kings gave the barons lands and serfs to control and they looked at the locals and their products and demanded certain amounts of ‘goods’ every year , if you go back to prehistory Chiefs and Priests got their grand palaces and keeping from ‘tribute’ from the tribe/s … tax is as old as! Jesus wrote of Caesars tax, which was demanded in Roman Coin, created by the Roman empire , give unto Carsar what is Caesars! People thinking money created by the state is ‘their’ money’ are forgetting the purpose of that money. Without Money the state would be collecting millions of pigs/cows/chickens…wheat/rice/corn…tools/weapons …labour to build palaces.

Tax is an essential in the modern currency world it gives the currency value.
Tax evasion is wrong it is refusing to give to Caesar what is Caesars.

Public Spending does not come from Taxes.

Taxes come from public spending – creation of currency.

It is the original magic money tree – it’s always been there – but private bankers put themselves between the government and the nation and have totally obfuscated that truth, while they happily magic up money every millisecond and live off ‘interest’ of that magic money!

If you want to know more look up modern money theory – there is nothing modern about it and its not a theory – its a description of the system of money. It is not political. It just is.

Come back if you want links.

My journey started 30 years ago but I only ‘got it’ 5 years ago. It is so simple it hides in plain sight.

ame
ame
Apr 29, 2020 10:19 AM

yippee !!!!!!!!!!
Johnson BOJO and partner Carrie Symonds celebrate birth on Beltane of a baby boy
Downing Street played us all quite brilliantly. The Press Association has just snapped this.

A spokesman for Boris Johnson and Carrie Symonds said: “The prime minister and Ms Symonds are thrilled to announce the birth of a healthy baby boy at a London hospital earlier this morning. Both mother and baby are doing very well.
“The PM and Ms Symonds would like to thank the fantastic NHS maternity team.”

psycho drama added to Beltane ritual gives em something to clap about tonight
i mean he was resurrected on easter sunday

ITS a another miracle

Antonym
Antonym
Apr 29, 2020 9:53 AM

The 2016 demonetisation move in India was against “black” money (so cash hidden from tax or law authorities), as cash is king in corruption and crime. Storing much it at home is also risky.

While Rs 1000 notes were taken out, novel rs 500 & rs 2000 notes were introduced, so it was not against cash in principle: straw man exposed for those not living in India.

The number of Indians with bank accounts increased by 500% in the years after, making it fast and middle-man-less to pay out money to specially the poor.

Colin Oddhunter in his mission to blacked one particular nation he has little clue about, fires off another dud.

paul
paul
Apr 29, 2020 4:56 PM
Reply to  Antonym

It is in the nature of the kleptocratic crony crapitalist elite to test their shitfuckery on some country first before foisting it on the rest of the planet. This is their standard operating procedure.
Cyprus was the test bed for bank bail ins in 2013 and confiscation of depositors money. This will provide the blueprint for a more general piracy in the EU and elsewhere when Deutsche Bank and the rest of the failed deadbeat zombie European banks go belly up. This has now been pre-emptively formalised and cemented into EU law.
India was a similar dry run. Average income per head in India is less than $2,000 and people live hand to mouth, earn money and spend it to live.

The financial kakistocracy don’t like gold because it exposes their debasement of the currency, a key feature of declining and dying empires from at least the time of the Romans. They will always try to outlaw private ownership of gold, and failing that, rig precious metals markets to the nth degree for their own benefit, like they do all others.

They dislike cash in a similar fashion. They want to confiscate all private wealth and transfer it upwards, leaving a pauperised 99% in a state of serfdom. When interest rates are reduced to negative levels, as they have for the past 12 years, people not unnaturally disply some reluctance to bear risk only to suffer a guaranteed loss. Since the debacle of 1989, many Japanese have kept their money at home outside the banks in private safe. Abolishing cash would render this impossible. There would be no option but to “invest” it in bank deposits, with an annual confiscation of 1%, 2%, 10%, or whatever they choose to impose. The effect of money becoming worthless is an arbitrary transfer of wealth upwards to the least deserving and the least desirable.

There is nothing particularly new in this. Similar behaviour has been much in evidence from the time of the Roman emperors down to the present day. The French ruling elite tried to outlaw the use of gold and silver coins in the 18th century to force the population to accept the worthless paper bonds they issued. Most countries including western countries have confiscated privately held gold from time to time. Russian and Libyan regimes have arbitrarily confiscated all larger denomination banknotes. This is all as old as the hills.

paul
paul
Apr 29, 2020 5:02 PM
Reply to  Antonym

“Fighting crime”, “fighting terrorism”, “tax evasion”, are all hoary old chestnuts that are periodically trotted out to justify wealth confiscation.

If there was any genuine desire to deal with these issues on the part of those who lord it over us, they would immediately close down the tax havens to tax the scores of trillions hidden there. Of course they never do this, because they don’t want to.

Harriet
Harriet
Apr 30, 2020 10:16 PM
Reply to  paul

“they would immediately close down the tax havens to tax the scores of trillions hidden there. Of course they never do this, because they don’t want to.”

Amen!!!

An **excellent** documentary on this is The Spider’s Web: Britain’s Second Empire.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=np_ylvc8Zj8

Made on a shoestring, but excellent production values and very informative.
Shocking.
The solution to end this huge-scale thievery by global elites is quite feasible, actually. Explained at the end of the film.

Richard Le Sarc
Richard Le Sarc
Apr 30, 2020 10:00 AM
Reply to  Antonym

The Zionists have a lot invested in their stooge Modi, and his Hindutva fascist, Moslem-hating, gangs.

ame
ame
Apr 29, 2020 9:49 AM

War on cash psyop has many fronts – back in 2017/8  i recall……

Crypto current;y and the make believe story of some anarchist who created it, a anti establishment blockchain and digital coin sold as a new way  of life this.

What a  psyop for general users to believe and use sites like binace  coinbase, coin mamma alt coins  or the many  other digital coin selling platforms or even to purchase the fucking digital coins,  or digital wallets
what a  drama..

I have never ever seen that much id asked ever!, photo id passport scanned, ip address in majority of the  cases a 2 system versification code for mobile smart phone and then face versification of you, them calling you to make sure you are who you are. to buy coins from sites one would have to have a photo of there passport with them in the picture holding it and a handwritten letter saying you have agreed to buy bitcoin/coins  You only had to do it the once on certain sites and then you was IN. wow what a rebel!

You look like a prisoner of war. and this was suppose to be anti establishment !  you give less id to open up a normal bank account ! but for digital currency you gave more ay!”

now the twist….to the fairy tale

the biggest ever data protection breach  (think of the data they got) happened by coin mamma a digital coin crypto current seller  (that has links to a certain middle east country you not allowed to talk about or your be called a )

2017. Coinmama also explained the security issue affected 30 companies and a total of 841 million user records.
https://www.cisomag.com/cryptocurrency-exchange-coinmama-reports-data-breach/

Objective
Objective
Apr 29, 2020 10:16 AM
Reply to  ame

And to lose everything all you have to do is forget your password. How many times on secure sites have you typed in a password sure it was correct only to be told its wrong?

ame
ame
Apr 29, 2020 10:26 AM
Reply to  Objective

great point
, lose your password and all the monumental amount of id you used to open the account seems to be now not valid.!

soooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo
anti establishment

paul
paul
Apr 29, 2020 5:13 PM
Reply to  Objective

You have to understand the true character of these people, even in supposedly rock solid Swiss banks. People have invested money in bonds through these banks. When they try to cash them in, the banks have pretended they are simply forged and had the investors jailed for years by tame bought and paid for courts and judges. The moral and ethical standards of the financial elite would make any street corner whore blush with embarrassment.

The only answer is a publicly owned state banking monopoly, though of course you would first have to clean out the Augean stables of the scum who lord it over us.

Objective
Objective
Apr 29, 2020 11:57 PM
Reply to  paul

If (i make this point hypothetically ) you’re looking for the perfect solution, socially, ecologically & economically (if that’s possible) you’d have a world without money, money = power = corruption.

Thom
Thom
Apr 29, 2020 9:15 AM

Of course, the other possibility is that Gates really does want a healthier world and is putting his money where his mouth is on the issue. And that Washington and their client media are inventing conspiracies about Gates as a cover for the real scoundrels in the coronavirus heist.

sabelmouse
sabelmouse
Apr 29, 2020 10:07 AM
Reply to  Thom

:))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))

Objective
Objective
Apr 29, 2020 10:17 AM
Reply to  Thom

Did you vote yourself up?

Reg
Reg
Apr 29, 2020 10:46 AM
Reply to  Thom

You and your children will be excitedly lining up for a plethora of new vaccines, I take it?

Dungroanin
Dungroanin
Apr 29, 2020 11:39 AM
Reply to  Thom

I wish I could be nice about Gates – before I knew about his recent eugenist/Malthusian and vaccinatuon experimentation , i moved from liking to disliking Microsoft as they binned Windows NT for servers. Win97 was pretty great for pc’s until the advent of 2000 Pro and than they moved on AGAIN to a model of never ending upgrades and a subscription business model.

What a C*** who was just pretending to be a cute muppet.

Carnyx
Carnyx
Apr 29, 2020 4:55 PM
Reply to  Dungroanin

Gates has never been a good guy… I don’t where people get this image of him being some kind of saint. It is self-interest, that’s the only thing driving him. His (& thus Microsoft’s) business model was to destroy the competition by was ever means necessary and yes people did lose their lives as well as their livelihoods. Microsoft was known as The Borg for good reason (and BTW his employee’s were known as Microserfs).

Does anyone know the original name for the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation? Go look it up. You’ll get the measure of the man.

Harriet
Harriet
Apr 30, 2020 10:19 PM
Reply to  Thom

“And that Washington and their client media are inventing conspiracies about Gates ”

Nope. Gates opens his own mouth and the truth flies out .

Gezzah Potts
Gezzah Potts
Apr 29, 2020 6:19 AM

Regards your last paragraph Colin, and your question ‘will the term financial inclusion then sound so benign’? No.
The Panopticon is being built in front of our eyes. Now.
To quote Alison McDowell at the excellent Wrench In The Gears blog: “the ultimate goal of the cloud bosses is to be able to track everyone all the time”.
In other words: Big Brother. On steroids.
I saw a table somewhere that 37% of transactions in Australia are in cash. In the United States it was 32% I think.
About 1.5 years ago, The Big Issue organisation bought in digital payments for customers to still purchase mags even if they had no cash.
It was sold to us as being necessary to go digital because Australians were increasingly making purchases using cards, and that cash was on the way out.
After having discovered Alison McDowell’s blog, along with what you’re eloquently written here, and a few other sites warning of the dangers of a global digital currency, I’m feeling a bit dumb and sheepish to be honest.
I never saw the big picture in where all this was heading. I thought I needed to download the Airpay app to still get customers who didn’t carry cash.
As it turns out, I havn’t even used the app since October last year, and those who didn’t have cash on them, 95% were happy to go to the nearest ATM, or get money out at a shop.
I now see the draconian nature of where this is going: if you ’cause trouble’ or are anti establishment, or opposed to the the system – your money supply can be switched off immediately.
No food, no rent money, no paying bills.
Complete destitution.

breweriana
breweriana
Apr 29, 2020 3:49 PM
Reply to  Gezzah Potts

It takes the form of a ‘Social Points Scoring’ system. Perfected in China.
See this well referenced report, here:

http://www.crimeandpower.com/2020/01/05/one-world-digital-dictatorship/

A short quote –
“A British court ruled in 2019 that biometric face scanners do not violate privacy and human rights, and it is acceptable that the police use them [34]. Private stores, totaling hundreds if not thousands, use facial recognition technology to scan their customers to detect “subjects of interest” and determine if customers are old enough to buy beer and cigarettes [35]. In August 2019, Big Brother Watch, a British civil liberties and privacy campaigning organization, issued a statement that they had uncovered a “collusion between police and private companies [36].”
Unquote.

For this all to work, of course, they need cash to become extinct.

Gezzah Potts
Gezzah Potts
Apr 29, 2020 10:40 PM
Reply to  breweriana

Thanks for the link to crimeandpower B, had also never heard of Big Brother Watch until I checked out the link in Colin’s article.
A number of sites I’ve discovered since the lockdowns began. Yep, we are heading towards the social credit system China has. Just one aspect of the Matrix.

Moneycircus
Moneycircus
Apr 29, 2020 5:29 AM

If rule by billionaires doesn’t bother you, wait until their children take over.

Moneycircus
Moneycircus
Apr 29, 2020 5:54 AM
Reply to  Moneycircus

Be enormously skeptical of philanthropy. For every dollar a billionaire gives, the public chips in 37-57 cents . “We are co-sponsoring their pet projects. Working class people give their money away – they don’t take a tax deduction.”
“Philanthropy is a taxpayer-subsidized extension of private power” – Chuck Collins https://youtu.be/vYLC3lPZn-8?t=2488

Seamus Padraig
Seamus Padraig
Apr 29, 2020 6:43 AM
Reply to  Moneycircus

Whenever I hear the word ‘philanthropy,’ I reach for my revolver.

Jay Khaye
Jay Khaye
Apr 29, 2020 7:46 AM
Reply to  Seamus Padraig

From his wikipedia page
“Madoff was a prominent philanthropist”
No need to add anything further.

Richard Le Sarc
Richard Le Sarc
May 2, 2020 10:01 AM
Reply to  Jay Khaye

Jewish philanthropy is for Jews only, in the main. Madoff’s operation was a money-laundering machine, but he got greedy.

Objective
Objective
Apr 29, 2020 8:27 AM
Reply to  Moneycircus

Philanthropy is just a vehicle for their agenda, their *charitable* foundations are the mechanism to implement their goals. Its all corrupt bollocks.

John
John
Apr 29, 2020 7:11 PM
Reply to  Moneycircus

Charity makes people dependent, this is why they love it, it also adds an air of grandeur to themselves, makes them feel powerful too. Hence, this is why these super rich are so charitable…

Oscar Wilde on charity:

“They try to solve the problem of poverty, for instance, by keeping the poor alive; or, in the case of a very advanced school, by amusing the poor.

But this is not a solution: it is an aggravation of the difficulty. The proper aim is to try and reconstruct society on such a basis that poverty will be impossible. And the altruistic virtues have really prevented the carrying out of this aim. Just as the worst slave-owners were those who were kind to their slaves, and so prevented the horror of the system being realised by those who suffered from it, and understood by those who contemplated it, so, in the present state of things in England, the people who do most harm are the people who try to do most good; and at last we have had the spectacle of men who have really studied the problem and know the life—educated men who live in the East End—coming forward and imploring the community to restrain its altruistic impulses of charity, benevolence, and the like. They do so on the ground that such charity degrades and demoralises. They are perfectly right. Charity creates a multitude of sins.”

John
John
Apr 29, 2020 7:20 PM
Reply to  Moneycircus

Another result of charity, it takes away the motives for disobedience and the spirit of revolt, by making people dependent and pseudo satisfied. Instead of ‘being seated at the board’ the victims of charity are conveniently sidetracked.

Quoting Oscar Wilde:

“We are often told that the poor are grateful for charity. Some of them are, no doubt, but the best amongst the poor are never grateful. They are ungrateful, discontented, disobedient, and rebellious. They are quite right to be so. Charity they feel to be a ridiculously inadequate mode of partial restitution, or a sentimental dole, usually accompanied by some impertinent attempt on the part of the sentimentalist to tyrannise over their private lives. Why should they be grateful for the crumbs that fall from the rich man’s table? They should be seated at the board, and are beginning to know it. As for being discontented, a man who would not be discontented with such surroundings and such a low mode of life would be a perfect brute. Disobedience, in the eyes of anyone who has read history, is man’s original virtue. It is through disobedience that progress has been made, through disobedience and through rebellion. “

Richard Le Sarc
Richard Le Sarc
Apr 30, 2020 10:02 AM
Reply to  John

Oscar was a beaut, no doubt about it.

John
John
Apr 29, 2020 7:34 PM
Reply to  Moneycircus

To add to the below. I would not hesitate to state that charity, in its diverse forms, from the area of providing basic resources towards technological aid, today is the foremost method of gaining global ideological control. It is basically Western globalist imperialism, a trojan horse, using ‘humanism’ and ‘progress’ as its camouflage.

Harriet
Harriet
May 1, 2020 12:33 AM
Reply to  John

First cousin of R2P, “right to protect,” aka “humanitarian intervention.”

Skeptic
Skeptic
Apr 29, 2020 3:00 AM

I made a list of people/organisations who have received money or who have worked for the Gates Foundation; just a little sample to show some of my friends and acquaintances the extent of Mr Gates´ influence:

-World Health Organisation (2nd largest donor)
-Tedros Adhanom, WHO Director General
-Michael Ryan, WHO´s Health Emergencies Programme
-Chinese Institute of Medical Biology,
– Chinese Center for Disease Control and Prevention
-Christian Drosten, “co-discoverer of covid19 and developer of one of its diagnostic tests
-Chris Whitty, UK chief medical advisor
-Neil Ferguson, maker of the “lockdown” pandemic model
-BBC, Guardian News Media, El Pais, Associated Press and other propaganda outlets
-European Commission
-IHME, developers of the “lockdown model” for the US
-National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases (US)
-Global Vaccine Alliance
-Global Vaccine Action Plan
-Global Coalition for Epidemic Preparedness Innovations
-Task Force for Global Health
-MIT´s “under the skin” medical records project
-Digital Identity Alliance

Like I said this is not an extensive list but it shows that every single institution, every key person enabling the flu d’état links to Mr. Gates in one way or another: from the people declaring the pandemic, the containment and treatment protocols, to the developer of the diagnostic test, the model, the surveillance technology, etc.

When I shared it online I was made aware that even the implication that there might be a serious conflict of interest, let alone the absolute co-optation of global health policy by a single individual with gargantuan investments and no accountability, is nowadays considered just one more of those silly “conspiracy theories without any foundation”.

rechenmacher
rechenmacher
Apr 29, 2020 7:47 AM
Reply to  Skeptic

On record: Der Spiegel: 2,500k from the Gates Foundation, and Die Zeit: 300k as late as Dec 2019.

Mike Ellwood
Mike Ellwood
Apr 29, 2020 2:44 PM
Reply to  Skeptic

“Flu d’état” – love it!

Skeptic
Skeptic
Apr 29, 2020 3:00 PM
Reply to  Mike Ellwood

Me too. I wish I could credit the original author of such an ingenious definition.

paul
paul
Apr 30, 2020 4:30 PM
Reply to  Mike Ellwood

The Flu World Order.

paul
paul
Apr 30, 2020 6:19 PM
Reply to  paul

The Flu Coup.

Doctortrinate
Doctortrinate
Apr 29, 2020 2:39 AM

speaking of Madman….Whats that Starlink thing again ?

Loverat
Loverat
Apr 29, 2020 2:27 AM

Just watched a debate between Hilary Benn and Michael Goves cat.

Objective
Objective
Apr 29, 2020 4:41 AM
Reply to  Loverat

What did the cat have to say?

Moneycircus
Moneycircus
Apr 29, 2020 1:45 AM

Robber baron techniques right there: ” The major competitor we have is cash. Right now, 85 percent of the world’s transactions are done in cash. That is really what we are trying to attack right now.” – Paypal’s Schulmann. He isn’t proposing to build his business by competing but by getting governments to ban cash.
That starts as monopoly capitalism and ends as fascism: government handing out cozy contracts to its corporatist partners.

Gall
Gall
Apr 29, 2020 1:16 AM

We should just go back to using barter, scrip, gold and silver and screw these globalist bastards and their funny Monopoly money created out of thin air.

Nemo Nomark
Nemo Nomark
Apr 29, 2020 6:01 PM
Reply to  Gall

Gold and silver prices have been artificially depressed by naked short selling and flooding the market with paper certificates that have been oversold by many times. The true value of physical gold has been depressed by these techniques but seems to be moving in the right direction at long last. Many experts think it’s true value is at least five times is current quoted price.

Gall
Gall
Apr 29, 2020 10:58 PM
Reply to  Nemo Nomark

Not just Gold but any actual commodity like grain for instance is more valuable than these phony certificates because they have actual exchange value whereas fiat currency and bonds are solely based on confidence. Once that is gone than the whole Neoliberal economic facade collapses like a house of cards.

Good examples are Dixie Dollars after the Civil War and the Weimar Mark after WW I.

Nemo Nomark
Nemo Nomark
Apr 30, 2020 5:10 PM
Reply to  Gall

Yes Gall, and the collapse of the Weimar Republic spawned the rise of German Fascism, or Corporatism as Mussolini more correctly defined it. Sounds familiar eh?

The solution is the breaking up of the international banking cartel and removing their ability to create money by financial legerdemain. The impetus for this will only come from the bottom up though as the political leadership has been bought off worldwide.

The people of the Western world, and especially the middle classes, are about to get a taste of the immiseration their governments, on behalf of the financial cartel, have inflicted on the poorer nations. Personally, I don’t think we will take starvation lying down and the resistance will grow. Resistance to the “lockdown”, which is de facto Martial Law, is already growing and we are only at the beginning of the process.

Everything is in flux at present and the best thing we can do is inform the people around us of the way finance works, patiently and in as simple terms as possible, and how the “pandemic” is being used to cover the collapse. My experience is that when you do this successfully you can see the lights going on in their minds and they are amazed at the deviousness of the system.

When their bellies are empty they will remember this. It will help create a sense of solidarity between us, solidarity that has been eroded over the last half century by a blizzard of corporate, political and ideological propaganda. The Gilet Jaunes in France were making a real impact before the lockdown, they haven’t gone away and are still protesting, though on a reduced scale. They are a good example for the rest of us to follow.

paul
paul
Apr 29, 2020 12:45 AM

AIPAC and its Shabbos stooges intend to exploit the CV to bring about “Regime Collapse” in Venezuela, and above all Iran.
They hope that a combination of their economic terrorism, the CV, and an unprecedented fall in oil prices will weaken those countries to the extent that they can reduce them to failed states, as they did in Iraq and Libya.
They can then hopefully move in some Quisling puppet like Gweedo or Karzai in Afghanistan. They also have relatives of the late unlamented Shah on the Washington payroll waiting in the wings who they might try to foist on Iran, putting the clock back to 1953.
A considerable uptick in the hybrid war against China has to be expected as well.
They will push this very hard over the next few weeks prior to the US election.
Things are likely to happen very quickly. Trump is easily manipulated and the situation is now so unstable it can blow up at any time.

The only thing that militates against this is the considerable damage that is being inflicted on the US by CV and the oil glut. Trump’s balls are being squeezed very hard. But he is totally expendable to Adelson and his Zionist handlers, who hate and despise him anyway. They will not let the opportunity go to waste.

Factor in a financial collapse in America and instability in Saudi Arabia and many other places, then a perfect storm is brewing. It’s difficult to see how a real war can be avoided.

paul
paul
Apr 30, 2020 5:25 PM
Reply to  paul

On current trends, America and the Zionist Empire have a maximum of 4 years before they implode and undergo a total financial and economic collapse, deficits ballooning completely out of control, dollar worthless, social and political collapse, the monster finally defanged, its jackboot removed for ever from the face of humanity. Transition to a better world that cannot come a day too soon.

In that time the Washington Regime and its Zionist handlers will become increasingly reckless and aggressive. They will threaten and instigate further wars and terrorism against Venezuela, Iran, DPRK, maybe even Russia and China. They will seek to solve their intractable financial and economic problems by extorting more and more tribute from the rest of the world even if it alienates their formerly most obsequious satellites.

That is a period of maximum danger that will have to be weathered as best as possible. Internally we can expect ruling elites to become ever more ruthless, brutal, repressive and unscrupulous. Our Zionist overlords will increasingly step out from behind the curtain to exercise direct control.

Hopefully the collapse will come sooner rather than later. The economy is hovering on the brink of the precipice, the corrupt and dysfunctional political system is broken beyond repair, its society visibly fragmenting along class and ethnic lines. Resorting to further aggression will only accelerate the process.

However, the Zionist Power Figuration will not give up easily. It has taken them 100 years to achieve total domination over the Washington Regime, and the parasite will find it difficult to find an equivalent host. They want to extract everything they can from their US host before it collapses and they have to move on.

Richard Le Sarc
Richard Le Sarc
May 2, 2020 10:05 AM
Reply to  paul

More Corbyn type ‘antisemitism’ witch-hunts will be required.Don’t forget that one Jewish grandee in the UK, carried away in an ecstasy of hatred, described ‘Leftwing policies’ as one of the signs of Corbyn’s ‘antisemitism’. A slip of the forked tongue.

S Cooper
S Cooper
Apr 29, 2020 12:17 AM

The propaganda is non stop. It is almost as if Goebbels never left.

mcdonagh4
mcdonagh4
Apr 29, 2020 12:53 AM
Reply to  S Cooper

Goebbels was a student of Hayes and Bernays circa the Wilson regime circa the WW1 era

Nemo Nomark
Nemo Nomark
Apr 29, 2020 6:18 PM
Reply to  mcdonagh4

Yes, Madison Ave is the one-stop shop for many a despots propaganda operation, commercial, political and military.

Delilah
Delilah
Apr 29, 2020 12:11 AM

Ever since Rockefeller, billionaire tentacles have been perverting politics, economics, medicine, education, agriculture and technology. Nefarious changes “for the greater good”, but without our input.

Be aware that “Propaganda is PR. All propaganda is, stripped down to its bare bones, is a marketing campaign designed to sell an otherwise unpalatable idea to the public.” ~ James Corbett

Chuck Collins Time for there to be No Billionaires
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vYLC3lPZn-8&feature=share&fbclid=IwAR0B8vVR4poFKDn3Wo1-neocNmR56iQVYPpfFIvi9Z91ZPEUBaXgn_0BXRk

“The danger of fascism comes not from skinheads or the militia or the Christian right fanatics. It comes from the ongoing practices of the National Security State and its various enforcement agencies; it comes from the boardrooms of corporate America.

When the power of capital is increasingly untrammeled, all of us are put at risk: the environment, the sacred forests, the beautiful and mysterious creatures of the sea, the ordinary people who, with their strength and brains and inventiveness create community and give to life so much that’s worthy of our respect. The real burden to society is not the poor, but the corporate rich. We simply can no longer afford them.”

https://dandelionsalad.wordpress.com/2019/08/18/fascism-a-false-revolution/?fbclid=IwAR0g2OApuUwk4LXJb2aDcEQLXQmXfwyvyIFsaVBYoqXWBauS7OtBSYzWrPM

Seamus Padraig
Seamus Padraig
Apr 28, 2020 11:49 PM

SWEDEN REPORT: Lockdown-free Stockholm ‘could achieve herd immunity in May’: Claim by Swedish ambassador as she reveals 30% of the city’s population already have immunity.

The article also raises another interesting point:

… questions remain about how long any immunity lasts – South Korea recently reported that 222 patients had tested positive again for the virus after initially recovering.

Since we’re sure to have this little factoid thrown in our faces over and over again in the near future by lockdown-enthusiasts, you should point out to them what the very next paragraph states:

Authorities said they there are working to find out if the tests the individuals had just failed to spot that the virus was still present, or if they had actually had the virus again.

In a related point, if exposure to the virus itself does not give the subject immunity, then how will a vaccine ever work? Just askin’ …

Reg
Reg
Apr 29, 2020 1:11 AM
Reply to  Seamus Padraig

I reckon the vaccine is not meant to work in any meaningful sense. Like the poison that Monsanto injects into our soil, the vaccine will kill our immunity. And since we’ll be facing “pandemics” for the rest of our lives, a series of injections are being developed, will be mandatory and pour enormous amounts of money into Big Pharma’s coffers.

Paul too
Paul too
Apr 29, 2020 10:20 AM
Reply to  Reg

“a series of injections are being developed, will be mandatory and pour enormous amounts of money into Big Pharma’s coffers.”

Exactly, think ‘Windows updates’, where you’re charged each time before they fuck your computer up again.

Harriet
Harriet
Apr 29, 2020 2:25 PM
Reply to  Paul too

“Exactly, think ‘Windows updates’, where you’re charged each time before they fuck your computer up again.”

Exactly. The aptness of the analogies between Gates’s (actual) business and his new (saving-the-world) humanitarian businesses is truly weird.

Via its Amref project te Gates Foundation funds cadres of “youth advocates” to pressure local governments to prioritize Gates projects (https://amrefusa.org/what-we-do/youth-in-action-y-act/?gclid=EAIaIQobChMI9IKB39iN6QIVjZ-fCh0MewRdEAAYASAAEgLfRfD_BwE). Now we hear of similar programs being rolled out in the USA whereby thousands of young people (only the “healthy,” of course, per Bill Clinton) will be trained to conduct mass surveillance on their fellow citizens (the euphemism du jour is “contact tracing”–see excellent James Corbett video linked elsewhere at OG). To me this sounds like a “Revolutionary Guards” type of program.

I see no info at the Amref website that these young people are actually being trained in medical professions. It sounds to me as though they are being trained as youthful agitators. Similarly in the American version, one talking head in Massachusetts (in the video) actually used the word “cadres,” then quickly corrected herself.

Per Clinton these young “contact tracing cadres” should be incentivized to police their fellow citizens with money to help pay for college. Again, the training offered is in surveillance, not medicine—in locating citizens for isolation and “treatment,” not a genuinely useful profession such as social worker, nurse practitioner, civil rights lawyer.

I see a lot of this medical totalitarianism emanating from the Gates Foundation, with its emphasis on invasive and expensive treatments and procedures rather than on genuine public health measures such as improved nutrition, better understanding of hygiene (including sexual), and treatments that do not involve patented medications and devices. Why cut off a foreskin when a condom will serve? BTW, Tony Fauci is the big scientific name behind the ciricumcision studies in Africa (https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/fact-or-fiction-circumcision-helps-prevent-hiv-infection/ ; BTW the first sentence of this study slays me).

Harriet
Harriet
Apr 29, 2020 2:28 AM
Reply to  Seamus Padraig

Many infectious disease experts have pointed out that the prospects for a vaccine that protects against the effects of infection with SARS-CoV-2 are slim. The virus simply mutates too fast. This is why there is no vaccine against the common cold. And flu vaccines are also famously iffy.

The reality is that the proposed vaccine is a vector for a nano-chip. IMO, reliance on genuine herd immunity—acquired from the herd, not from a vaccine—is a far better bet for personal safety than a cobbled-together, not-properly tested vaccine from our BFs in Big Pharma. That is my preference, and it is my right to refuse a dodgy vaccine.

IMO the correct response to proselytizing about a SARS-Cov-2 vaccine is: No vaccine-mit-Chip, thank you very much.

Objective
Objective
Apr 29, 2020 4:55 AM
Reply to  Harriet

Slaves & convicts don’t have rights!

Seamus Padraig
Seamus Padraig
Apr 29, 2020 6:49 AM
Reply to  Harriet

I agree. I don’t want Bill Gates’ mystery medicine either.

Richard Le Sarc
Richard Le Sarc
Apr 30, 2020 10:07 AM
Reply to  Harriet

Attempts at creating a SARS vaccine have gotten NOWHERE, over twenty odd years of effort. One possibility, given to monkeys, proved catastrophic, as ‘introduction’ to the virus provoked the ADE (Antibody Dependent Enhancement) phenomenon, causing cytokine storms and dead monkeys.

paul
paul
Apr 30, 2020 5:34 PM

The record isn’t good.
The thousands who were crippled by Gulf War Syndrome vaccinations. Thalidomide. The thousands of third world human guinea pigs dead or disabled from Gates’s botched vaccination experiments.
No wonder he wants immunity from litigation.

Richard Le Sarc
Richard Le Sarc
May 2, 2020 10:11 AM
Reply to  paul

Meanwhile hydroxychloroquine is in widespread use, ignored by the Western MSM vermin, and being used in Korea for post-exposure prevention, and even prophylactically for those at high risk of exposure. The protective effect was first noted in China when they saw that lupus patients on Plaquenil were not getting CoVid 19 disease. The blood on the hands of the BigPharma ghouls, their medical henchman (one here has demanded that use of HCQ be BANNED!)and the MSM scum, vermin, thugs, is copious already.

Objective
Objective
Apr 29, 2020 4:53 AM
Reply to  Seamus Padraig

Yes the problem most likely is in testing false -/+. But it appears to be a virus that readily mutates so it puts the efficacy of vaccines into question.

I’ve noticed many politicians claiming we should never return to the way things were, dunno if this is wishful thinking on their part or part of the agenda, maybe this was their way to achieve their climate change agenda etc. Destroy the fossil fuel reliant economy, facilitate more intrusive surveillance & the evil of mandatory vaccination programs.

Personally i still haven’t forgiven Bill Gates for windows XP.

Mike Ellwood
Mike Ellwood
Apr 29, 2020 2:58 PM
Reply to  Objective

Fair play: that was one of his better offerings. W7 was another.

Harriet
Harriet
Apr 30, 2020 5:25 PM
Reply to  Mike Ellwood

By the time I finally switched from Windows 2000 to XP, the bugs had been ironed out and it was a good operating system. I used it for about I think 12 years, long after I had been warned that “normal life” was about to end with the end of security support. Finally the laptop it was on gave out. At that point I got a new HP laptop with Windows 7 Professional installed. It had/has a graphic interface virtually identical to XP’s. That was I think 2016. They were already warning that it was going to be “phased out” but I was told that Professional would continue to be supported. When MS pulled the plug on Windows 7 a few months ago, guess what? Windows 7 Professional is supported only if you are a big company that signs on to a complicated and expensive arrangement via one of MS’s subcontracting entities that would have involved my making varoius to me incomprehensible changes to the way I use my laptop. Basically, nada. Not for you.

What gets me here is that both XP and Windows 7 Professional are still supported, security-wise. The general public and also most computer techies—many of whom unwittingly end up functioning as “enforcers” of the needless forced upgrades of new OS’s and new computers to run them—apparently don’t know this as they snootily treat one like an unreconstructed Luddite if one doesn’t get with the new MS program. But MS withholds this “medicine” from the public and happily lets our computers and our work be exposed to killer viruses and malware etc. when they have the means to prevent this. This is the Gates-Microsoft “bad Samaritan” m.o., and I wouldn’t be at all surprised if he consciously applied this “vision” to his vaccine program.

See:
https://www.quora.com/How-many-Windows-XP-computers-are-still-in-use-as-of-2019
https://www.zdnet.com/article/how-many-pcs-are-still-running-windows-7-today/

It is obvious that a large organization such as the British Navy cannot turn on a dime and change all of its software, etc. just because Gates shouts “Time’s up on the OS y’all installed everywhere 10 years ago.” MS continues to provide securtiy for these big legacy systems, but not for smaller users or individuals. Same goes for Wndows 7. Gates and MS really are scumbags. Now he is trying to reinvent himself and his cara sposa as a public health saints and gurus. They have zero qualifications for this role. Quite the opposite, I would say. You don’t put world-class swindlers in charge of public health, or anyone’s foreskin, for that matter. IMHO.

Mike Ellwood
Mike Ellwood
Apr 30, 2020 7:24 PM
Reply to  Harriet

I’m still on W7 on my main machine. Was intermittently investigating Linux possibilities on a secondary machine when the Covsh*t hit the fan. (Used to run various flavours of UNIX and Linux at work, but somewhat rusty now, and the Linux world has changed since then).

Would be nice to totally get away from Gatesworld computerwise, but even Linux is not without its pitfalls, as I’m discovering.

You don’t put world-class swindlers in charge of public health, or anyone’s foreskin, for that matter. IMHO.

*ouch*! Indeed!

Mike Ellwood
Mike Ellwood
Apr 29, 2020 2:49 PM
Reply to  Seamus Padraig

This is about measles, but it illustrates some of the relevant points:

https://theinfectiousmyth.com/measles.php

Harriet
Harriet
Apr 30, 2020 9:45 PM
Reply to  Mike Ellwood

Very interesting. Crowe’s experience with childhood measles mirrors my own—and that of virtually all of the early baby boom cohort. We all had measles, chicken pox, and mumps. It would be very interesting to do a study whose purpose is to compare antibodies of those who actually had the childhood disease with antibodies of people whose bodies made them in response to the vaccine(s). It would not surprise me if “natural” antibodies had characteristics unique to the individual.

Marten Touw
Marten Touw
Apr 28, 2020 11:36 PM

The reason Gates and others want and encourage digital cash in the developing world is so that aid can be delivered direct to where it needs to go rather than through monolithic and/or corrupt agencies. Lowers the cost of delivery, mitigates corruption and floats the local economy.

But sure, assign your own fantasy theories to Gates’ purpose.

Croach
Croach
Apr 29, 2020 1:23 AM
Reply to  Marten Touw

Aid would never be enough to mitigate the hardship caused by withdrawing cash from such cash-based economies as you get in the developing world. If that’s the plan it’s a complete non-starter.
And surely digital currency puts an entire economy (not just aid) under the control of the most monolithic agencies of them all (banks and big tech companies).
A system is only as honest as the oversight is absolute. I don’t see that a digital currency is any easier to police, it just removes opportunity for low level corruption and replaces it with opportunity for high level corruption in much the same way that the stock market does.
And look at organisations like Google totally opaque and untouchable. The people tasked with policing them don’t even understand what they’re policing. They can barely get them to pay any tax. And half the world is reliant on them having benign intentions, because if they don’t there’s nothing we could do about it.
At least if the village big man is creaming cash off the top you can throw a brick though his window in the dead of night.
Maybe Gates and Co. are just naive.
Or maybe they’re not telling it straight.

Marten Touw
Marten Touw
Apr 29, 2020 8:49 AM
Reply to  Croach

Can I respond by asking you to read my response to Moneycircus.

The payments system can be split into many parts, it’s big and complex. Taking one part of it and digitising it but getting aid cash into the hands of those who need it is a good objective.

When we think of digital cash we see “Big Brother”. When a person on the ground in parts of the developing world thinks of digital cash I bet they just wish they had some.

So even if it ended up being digital cash all the way ie. tap and go with your phone, the person who gets it won’t give a damn. Don’t like that, split it; Digital from The Netherlands to Aid Recipient, then converted to cash by aid recipient. But digital might allow them to even escape the village big man’s cut.

tjrouill
tjrouill
Apr 29, 2020 9:10 AM
Reply to  Marten Touw

The main point I took away from the article was that the way this is carried out is nefarious. If cashless is so great, why do they need to force it? Is it that poor people are too stupid and don’t know what’s best for themselves? I don’t pretend to know what poor people in India might prefer. I also don’t believe that state approved pieces of paper is the proper basis for a free economy. There will definitely be losers in this shift though, and it won’t be the billionaires and elites.

Marten Touw
Marten Touw
Apr 29, 2020 12:05 PM
Reply to  tjrouill

The State is enforcing it and I despise it. It needs to be resisted.

But it’s not Gates.

And you’re right, the elites won’t lose from it, same as it ever was.

D Y
D Y
Apr 29, 2020 12:36 PM
Reply to  Marten Touw

Why the simple minded focus on digital cash for efficient aid delivery!!!?? Good lord!!! The USA can’t even distribute $1200 to its citizens efficiently and there is real homelessness and poverty in the USA…yet you expect me to believe the real motive for digital currency creation and monitoring and control is for the efficient distribution of aid!!!??? You believe the Five Eyes government’s and its cronies that lied to you about September 11th 2001 and WMD and every other thing in the last 20 years??? Unbelievable credulity….dangerous stupidity….

Marten Touw
Marten Touw
May 1, 2020 1:12 AM
Reply to  D Y

Do you even know a single thing about efficient aid delivery? You conflate the US $1200 Trump cheques experience with aid delivery in the developing world. And then conflate 5 eyes. USA broken therefore everything bad, seriously…

Do you think a person in a refugee camp in Africa cares one iota where the money comes from just so along as it and food and security turn up?

Clueless.

Moneycircus
Moneycircus
Apr 29, 2020 1:57 AM
Reply to  Marten Touw

Total rubbish Marten. In the vast majority of this world people have no bank accounts. They are too poor, paid too irregularly for banks to be interested. Take cash away and they starve – as happened in India.
They do use payment terminals and mobile payments – in fact those were pioneered in developing countries and the technology later copied by the western corporates. However, these concern intermittent sums, alongside cash, and work with regular phones, not smart phones. There is always cash at one end of the transaction. Imposing some Amazon style fascist uniformity upon them would not work.
I am sick of corporatist agenda-pushers posing as bleeding hearts. The clue is that these corporatists and charity-NGO types rack up air miles and hotel points staying in the developing world yet seem to know nothing about the people.
That is because they don ‘t care about the NEEDS of the people in the developing world, they are there to sell a CORPORATIST product.

Marten Touw
Marten Touw
Apr 29, 2020 8:40 AM
Reply to  Moneycircus

Glad you mentioned the payment terminals and mobile payments, I wasn’t thinking bank accounts.

There is always cash at the end of the stream in the developing world but getting the cash to them from the developed world without the “charity-NGO types [that] rack up air miles and hotel points” siphoning off huge expenses and creating huge expensive infrastructure is a challenge that digital cash in the form implicit in your response can create.

Imho the idea of the developed world doing charity good in the developing world using a developed world expense base is nonsensical, but that is what happens. Breaking that down where sensible/possible using digital cash is a social good

I know of a project aligned to the Netherlands government aid people that is doing exactly this. They’re trying to get their aid Euro in the hands of the people who need it as efficiently as possible. That project works. Gates is supporting projects doing the same thing and gets torched for it on this site.

paul
paul
Apr 30, 2020 5:48 PM
Reply to  Marten Touw

If you believe that I’ve got some great swamp land I want to sell you.
You can pay for it in digital cash.

Marten Touw
Marten Touw
May 1, 2020 1:15 AM
Reply to  paul

..and your point is? Or is this all you’ve got?

Doctortrinate
Doctortrinate
Apr 29, 2020 1:58 AM
Reply to  Marten Touw

hundreds of years of treachery and betrayal – theft of natural resources – and enslavement of the people – and a man of their own set – plays at being their saviour – shameful !

cupid stunt
cupid stunt
Apr 29, 2020 5:13 AM
Reply to  Marten Touw

Go back to article on Bill and Melinda Gates and look up a piece by Peter Joseph which I copied up – it’s all about the “myth of philanthropism” – then you might have second thoughts about this comment

Marten Touw
Marten Touw
Apr 29, 2020 8:57 AM
Reply to  cupid stunt

I searched for it, can’t find the article.

I have directly seen and been involved in philanthropism in action and seen much good. one example is three centres for physio therapy (fitting arms/legs/wheelchairs) constructed in Africa.

I have seen some real stupidity too but my experience is that philanthropy does much good. Ask the recipients whether they would prefer not to have it and see what answer they give.

George Mc
George Mc
Apr 29, 2020 9:15 AM
Reply to  Marten Touw

Is this you Marten?:

https://au.linkedin.com/in/marten-touw

Advisor on something called Innovative Humanitarian Finance:

https://socialcapitalmarkets.net/idea/innovative-humanitarian-finance/

Today’s at the international level protracted conflicts create some new challenges for humanitarian action and the need for new sources of funding and investments that go beyond immediate relief and enable sustained provision of peacebuilding or economic outcomes. Public partnerships develop to ensure humanitarian continuity during and after conflict. This panel will explore new types of innovative blended finance mechanisms to deliver financial support to humanitarian action and development by mobilizing private capital flows and helping to finance projects that would not otherwise receive private capital by apportioning risk and returns between the various stakeholders.

Stakeholders?

• (in gambling) an independent party with whom each of those who make a wager deposits the money or counters wagered.
• 2.
a person with an interest or concern in something, especially a business.

i.e. the same thing.

Marten Touw
Marten Touw
Apr 29, 2020 11:09 AM
Reply to  George Mc

1. Yes

2. I am outside and unrelated to the whole new financial models ecosystem. Not a consultant, not a hanger on. Help, for free, where I can. If it’s a deal that brings physical rehab outcomes for people in need I help. Build a low interest loan product program to allow refugees to take up skilled jobs in developed countries. Tick. A mechanism to allow foot bridges to be built in Africa. Yep.

3. Matching up developing world needs to the philanthropy that’s available to fund it in the way they can or will fund it. Yep.

4. Gambling. Nope. Getting investors to take a punt on a refugee loan program that does good with no ‘hurt’ to the refugee. Yep

5. Doing things that have bad consequences. Nope.

There is nuance.

paul
paul
Apr 30, 2020 5:54 PM
Reply to  Marten Touw

The “low interest loan product” to “help refugees” is the latest manifestation of vulture crapitalism loan sharking. Sign over your land and home to the local Goldman Sachs shark to pay the coyotes for the trip across the border.

Marten Touw
Marten Touw
May 1, 2020 1:20 AM
Reply to  paul

So, a low interest loan that funds you and your family, Syrian refugees, pays your visa/travel/relocation costs, so you can get out of a refugee camp in Lebanon or Jordan and into a paid job in the developed world is a bad thing?

Paul too
Paul too
Apr 29, 2020 10:23 AM
Reply to  Marten Touw

“But sure, assign your own fantasy theories to Gates’ purpose.”

Yours is the farthest out there deluded I have read so far. And I’ve read some real b.s. I can tell you.

Marten Touw
Marten Touw
Apr 29, 2020 11:12 AM
Reply to  Paul too

That’s it?

But you like an echo chamber, I guess

D Y
D Y
Apr 29, 2020 12:29 PM
Reply to  Marten Touw

DELUSIONAL. You do not know Bill Gate’s purpose and neither do I. However, I am free to use my critical thinking skills to understand that any “man” that desires such power and control of me and my family and their health is inherently evil and does not wish me well. I do NOT trust Bill Gates to keep my password safe!!! And you want me to trust him with my health!!!??? Idiocy. Keep your ignorance, willful naivety and credulity to yourself!

Marten Touw
Marten Touw
May 1, 2020 1:21 AM
Reply to  D Y

You have critical thinking skills? Wasn’t evident.

paul
paul
Apr 30, 2020 5:41 PM
Reply to  Marten Touw

We’ve seen the sort of “aid” that is delivered to the third world.
Oxfam’s sex parties with black kids and animals.
The Red Cross siphoning off $500 million from Haiti in partnership with the Clinton clan.
Save The Children’s bogus vaccination campaigns in Pakistan and Afghanistan to gather DNA for CIA drone targeting.
Amnesty International and Human Rights Watch agitating for more wars, sanctions and humanitarian bombing.

Marten Touw
Marten Touw
May 1, 2020 1:30 AM
Reply to  paul

Oxfam had some bad apples for sure and it’s been corrected. The rest of your examples of ‘bad’ are utter rubbish.

But you would say; a couple of bad apples must mean they’re all bad, right?

You ever watch tv and you see a news clip of aid being delivered into a refugee camp. Or watched kids starving to death, their parents unable to feed them. Yeah, of course you have. But those people don’t need that aid, or do they?

Don’t be a fool. The international aid and philanthropic groups do an enormous amount of good. And some of them aren’t perfect. There’s nepotism, corruption and inefficiency just like everywhere. But maybe stop and have some empathy for the people who need the aid and will take it no matter the circumstances because they have to. Got a better aid delivery idea, what is it?

Richard Le Sarc
Richard Le Sarc
May 2, 2020 10:13 AM
Reply to  paul

Amnesty and HRW are SCUM.

RobG
RobG
Apr 28, 2020 11:28 PM

In the poorer regions of the world about half a billion people will starve to death in the coming months.

In the richer regions of the world people will face a Great Depression far worse than that seen in the 1930s, and a huge number of people will also die as a result of this.

I respectively ask people who buy into the coronavirus con to consider this.

(by the way, in the US, UK and many other countries, there’s recently been an eye-watering bail-out of banks and corporations that makes the 2008 bail-out pall by comparison – all masked by the coronavirus panic)

The Sex Pistols final concert was in San Francisco in 1978. Johnny Rotten’s last words on stage were, famously:

Do you ever get the feeling you’ve been conned

RobG
RobG
Apr 28, 2020 11:49 PM
Reply to  RobG

This is the actual recording of the Pistols final live song back in 1978. I appreciate that a lot of people won’t like this sort of music. I include it to correct my misquote above (it was more than 40 years ago). Rotten actually said: Do you ever get the feeling you’ve been cheated (skip to 6 minutes into the video)…

Gwyn
Gwyn
Apr 29, 2020 12:22 AM
Reply to  RobG

Mr. Rotten seems a lot mellower after having discovered his true métier as a seller of butter.

Rock’n’roll, or what?

RobG
RobG
Apr 29, 2020 12:49 AM
Reply to  Gwyn

Yup, very few of them don’t sell out; but the ones who do sell out can’t escape the legacy they have left.

That’s the conundrum if you’re a multi-millionaire rock star (I won’t name the obvious examples).

It’s tough being a multi-millionaire rock star.

(Roger Waters is an obvious exception to the rule)

Gezzah Potts
Gezzah Potts
Apr 29, 2020 6:32 AM
Reply to  RobG

Unlike Bono the Cringeworthy Clown who licks the boots (and other things) of Power.

Brian Sides
Brian Sides
Apr 29, 2020 10:39 AM
Reply to  RobG

I think Viv Stanshall and the Bonzo Dog Doo-Dah Band
Summed up the problem of being a wealthy rock stars rather well with there song
Can Blue men sing the Whites
“Oh Lord, wish my bed wasn’t silken sheets so tight
I got to keep my strength up got to do a show tonight
I’ll have a cup of coffee while I’m taking in the news
No need to have a shave ’cause I’m gonna sing the blues
Well, I think I’ll get a massage, maybe lose a little fat
So I’ll have to go downtown in my brand new Cadillac
My valet comes and dresses me, I light a big cigar
Because I like to look like Nimrod when I’m riding in my car
Can blue men sing the whites
Or are they hypocrites for singing, woo, woo, wooh?
And now it’s getting near the time, I gotta make the scene
I change out my dark gray mohair suit put on my dirty jeans
The band comes round to pick me up, I holler, “Hello, boys”
I gotta mess my hair up, I’m gonna make some noise brrr
Can blue men sing the whites
Or are they hypocrites for singing woo, woo, wooh?
Oh Lord, somebody help me”

cupid stunt
cupid stunt
Apr 29, 2020 5:23 AM
Reply to  Gwyn

“Country Life”, I think. . . . . .

Gwyn
Gwyn
Apr 29, 2020 12:08 PM
Reply to  cupid stunt

Without the o, cupid?

(Only joking. I like John Lydon).

Moneycircus
Moneycircus
Apr 29, 2020 12:22 AM
Reply to  RobG

One of the Pistols’ greatest covers, better than the The Stooges’ original, from Rotten’s scatalogical into t. I’ve got several bootleg versions.

Moneycircus
Moneycircus
Apr 29, 2020 12:28 AM
Reply to  Moneycircus

I’ve got several bootleg versions, Rob! One of the Pistols’ finest covers, better than the The Stooges’ original. From Rotten’s biting, sardonic intro to the drawling “it’s not funny” outro.

I never thought they’d get better with age!! Or more relevant. (Repost – Typing in bed)

RobG
RobG
Apr 29, 2020 1:08 AM
Reply to  Moneycircus

The Pistols final live track – more than 40 years ago now – is breathtakingly accurate about what’s going on at the moment.

As John Lydon has always said, and which I agree, the Pistols were a very good band, musically speaking (even with stoned Sid on guitar).

I hope you’re not in bed due to the coronavirus stuff.

Stay well; and above all, try to stay sane.

Objective
Objective
Apr 29, 2020 5:04 AM
Reply to  RobG

Not exactly a lyracist though is he.

Richard Le Sarc
Richard Le Sarc
Apr 28, 2020 11:25 PM

All part of the war on the ‘useless eaters’, due to go full genocidal soon-or perhaps it has already begun.

Laurence Howell
Laurence Howell
Apr 28, 2020 11:23 PM

For the doubters, he is a Satanist.

Patent applicant Microsoft, Patent No WO 20200 606060.- Crypto Currency System Using Body Activity Data. 6 6 6

The mark of the beast 666, no man shall buy or sell save he has the mark. The next vaccine will include a Frankenstein concoction which will include a dye to mark who has had the vaccine and nano-wire machines that monitor the bodily functions, including mood swings[and alter moods]. The new 5G microwave system has a new terrifying range of 2.5-3 GigaHz, monitored by the dense network of repeater stations and the cell phone in your pocket. Satellites complete the picture. This is not good.

Not only does this eugenicist want to depopulate the world, by the use of vaccines, but now needs to get rid of cash and usher in a Worldwide Crypto-Currency. Enough to make even George Orwell blush.

Microsoft has used Marina Abramovich in its latest advertising campaign. She specialises in Satanic Ritual Abuse and Cannibalism. Gates was friends with paedophile Jeffrey Epstein although he lies about that now, just like Bill Clinton lies about how many times he flew on Epstein’s jet to Orgy Island.

Gates Foundation killed of injured 500,000 girls in India with his Frankenstein vaccines and thankfully was thrown out by the Indian government. Dr Fauci- WHO, PEPFAR, GAVI, UN-authorised and paid for Yoshihro Kawaoke to research and introduce force multipliers by inserting the HIV strain in the virus. This was considered so dangerous that a moratorium on this was put in place.

Dr Fauci and Dr Birx along with Gates/Soros and several others will stand for Crimes against Humanity. Who put this a…hole in charge of world health or world currency. Answer, the Illuminati who want to destroy us all. Georgia Guide Stones- ” maintain a population of 500,000,000 world wide”.

RobG
RobG
Apr 29, 2020 1:13 AM

Everything you are saying is factual. but you’ll still have a hard job selling it to the hoardes of sheep who consume the mainstream media.

Objective
Objective
Apr 29, 2020 5:02 AM

Relax, you give them to much credit, it will be riddled with glitches & gremlins these are the same people that produced windows XP. You’ll probably be able to hack it with a potato waffle.

JohnB
JohnB
Apr 29, 2020 12:23 PM
Reply to  Objective

I liked XP. Vista though …

cupid stunt
cupid stunt
Apr 29, 2020 5:31 AM

And the Fauci Video, which confirms some of what you have said here, has already been taken down by You Tube – this is what they do when really incriminating stuff comes out – they destroy the evidence – and then lie about it afterwards

Edo
Edo
Apr 28, 2020 10:50 PM

According to this document obtained through Freedom of Information by Epic, the major players in digital money transfer technology, especially in India, are Chinese, by a long way. https://epic.org/foia/epic-v-ai-commission/EPIC-19-09-11-NSCAI-FOIA-20200331-3rd-Production-pt9.pdf

Objective
Objective
Apr 28, 2020 10:38 PM

Gates foundation anthem.



Gall
Gall
Apr 29, 2020 1:41 AM
Reply to  Objective

Another appropriate theme for Billy Evil Gates.

Gall
Gall
Apr 29, 2020 1:42 AM
Reply to  Gall
Objective
Objective
Apr 28, 2020 10:34 PM

This shit only stops when we trash digital technology, yep its not going to happen!

But the most reliable form of recording keeping is still scratching symbols on stone. & gold is at a record high.

jack(jim)
jack(jim)
Apr 28, 2020 10:53 PM
Reply to  Objective

I always wondered why there was such a strong gold bug movement in the US, I’ve concluded that the fed want Americans to buy a lot of gold now, so that following a dollar crisis and the need for a gold backed solution, they can confiscate it, from the population like they did during the great depression. Golds is the solution to failed currencies but it’s a solution that the government are not going to allow you to hold.

Objective
Objective
Apr 28, 2020 11:00 PM
Reply to  jack(jim)

government are not going to allow you to hold.

How can they force you to give it to them? Torture You for its burial location?

Richard Le Sarc
Richard Le Sarc
Apr 28, 2020 11:26 PM
Reply to  Objective

Yes.

Objective
Objective
Apr 29, 2020 4:25 AM

Meek miserable liberal keyboard warriors are sure to cave.

Seamus Padraig
Seamus Padraig
Apr 28, 2020 11:35 PM
Reply to  Objective

The US Govt. already did this once during the First Great Depression: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gold_Reserve_Act

Objective
Objective
Apr 29, 2020 4:23 AM
Reply to  Seamus Padraig

Yes yes i know, you think everyone gave up their valuable possessions? disobedience isn’t for the weak

jack(jim)
jack(jim)
Apr 29, 2020 10:39 AM
Reply to  Seamus Padraig

”The US Govt. already did this once during the First Great Depression:”

As I said in my original comment and as you rightly observed people hadn’t understood.

Harriet
Harriet
Apr 29, 2020 2:40 AM
Reply to  Objective

If you can’t use it for anything because holding it is a crime, what good is it to you?

Objective
Objective
Apr 29, 2020 4:21 AM
Reply to  Harriet

That’s not how or why people invest in gold in a economic collapse.

Jose Silveira
Jose Silveira
Apr 29, 2020 2:39 AM
Reply to  Objective

This digital era is only one solar flare away from oblivion, and we are due a big one in the next decades (maybe less) – only hope there will be still some free capable people left, to rebuild what most “click & tap”, emotion-driven, people of today are surely not prepared to do.

Objective
Objective
Apr 29, 2020 4:30 AM
Reply to  Jose Silveira

Lets hope they are made of stronger stuff than serfs that would give up without a fight unlike some the commentators above. And don’t build it the same as before.

Willem
Willem
Apr 28, 2020 10:12 PM

‘Imaginary evil is romantic and varied; real evil is gloomy, monotonous, barren, boring’

Let’s see how this applies to the Covid19 scare,

1. Hospitals will be overwhelmed with Covid19 (not true, which is now backed with evidence [empty hospitals])
2. We are all going to get Covid19 (imaginary, not backed by evidence)
3. Children with Covid19 are asymptomatic, yet can infect/kill others (like their grandparents) (imaginary, not backed by evidence)
4. Locking down countries will ‘flatten the curve’ (not true, backed by countries like Iceland and Sweden that did no went into lockdown and where ‘the curve was flattened’ by Spring [as in all European countries that went into lockdown])
5. Contact tracing (aka ‘droning’) sick individuals and with whom they had contact will prevent Covid19 from spreading (imaginary, not backed by evidence)
6. Social distancing (aka ‘locking up people’) will prevent Covid19 from spreading (imaginary, not backed by evidence)
7. Wearing mouth masks will prevent one from getting Covid19 (imaginary, not backed by evidence)
8. 5G augmented/ ignited Covid19 (imaginary, not backed by evidence)
9. Vaccines against Covid19 will prevent one from getting Covid19 (not true, since, for starters, the virus cannot be isolated and, very likely, has already mutated in a less severe common cold)
10. Blacklisting skeptical people who argue that Covid19 is nothing more than seasonal flu and therefore urge you to get of your house and enjoy socializing and the weather will prevent one from getting Covid19 (imaginary and not backed by evidence)

10 arguments that are either provable false or at least imaginary, yet which the media likes to talk about as if we are witnessing the end of the world due to a deadly virus, or that shrewd men, like Bill Gates, want to track and trace humans as if they were cattle (and now also wants to take our cash which is NOT proven at least in the way the author above the line pushes yet another ‘scare’ article) or that conspiracy nuts (like us) try to push others into highly contagious areas like… the beach, parks and their garden. This is all in accordance with the first part of Simone Weil’s quote that ‘Imaginary evil is romantic and varied’

Now let’s look at the second part of that quote that is that ‘real evil is gloomy, monotonous, barren, boring’. Is that also true in the era of Covid19?

1. The US and EU emergency loans have bailed out banks and large companies AGAIN, with trillions of dollars and euros ‘due’ to Covid19, while in reality these corporations were at the brink of bankruptcy due to fraudulent and punishable mismanagement like the endless swindle of stock buybacks and delivering products of inferior quality (gloomy, monotonous, barren, boring)
2. Small companies are either at the brink of disaster or are already filing for bankruptcy since they cannot afford the high costs of rent and paying employees as they have no revenue because of Covid19 (gloomy, monotonous, barren, boring)
3. Austerity must set in, as countries (like the Netherlands) have calculated that they will have a deficit of the National budget in 2020 that approximates a quarter of their total current debt. For the Netherlands this is estimated to be 100 billion euro for 2020, which is 6000 euro per individual (gloomy, monotonous, barren, boring)

Now I understand that it is difficult to write about how in 2020 the economy was stolen from us at the benefit of them, precisely because it is gloomy, monotonous, barren, boring, i.e., by some simple mouse clicks at a central bank and nothing else. Yet it is true!

And for that reason I think that we should focus more on the economy instead of wondering about the imaginary evils relate dwith Covid19. Because imaginary evils, even though they are romantic and varied, will lead us to nowhere, while at the same time we are getting robbed, very monotonous and simple, by central banks who send ‘money’ (through governments) to the big guys, and which small guys, like us need to repay for them. Which was the whole plan after all and nothing more.

Willem
Willem
Apr 28, 2020 10:28 PM
Reply to  Willem

Shorter:
Get rid of Bill Gates and society will look just the same as with Bill Gates (Bill Gates is replaceable)

Get rid of fiat currencies (digital money), and the world will be in turmoil (fiat money cannot easily be replaced)

Shorter:
Gates doesn’t want cashless societies (although he probably is not against it either), but (central) banks want cashless societies. Because >97 percent of all the money in the world is already purely digital.

Shortest:
That the world turns on fiat money is insane. But it does…

Richard Le Sarc
Richard Le Sarc
Apr 28, 2020 11:29 PM
Reply to  Willem

The insatiable greed and boundless misanthropy of the elite parasites has destroyed humanity. The rest is epilogue.

D Y
D Y
Apr 29, 2020 12:51 PM
Reply to  Willem

THE ONLY REALISTIC ARGUMENT FOR WHY CASH WILL NEVER BE BANNED IS SIMPLY: HOW WILL BILL GATES AND HIS ZIONIST MONSTER FRIENDS PAY FOR THEIR PAEDOPHILIA PARTIES AND CHILD SEX ABUSE IF ALL TRANSACTIONS CAN BE DIGITALLY TRACED??? PLUS MOST IF NOT ALL POLITICIANS USE DRUG MONEY, HUMAN TRAFFICKING AND WEAPONS SALES FOR THEIR CAMPAIGN FUNDS….DIGITAL CURRENCY MAKES IT HARDER FOR THE FILTH TO WASH THEIR BLOOD MONEY…?

jack(jim)
jack(jim)
Apr 28, 2020 10:48 PM
Reply to  Willem

You forgot to mention the financial crisis that had already started in the US banking system prior to Covid, where billions were being pumped into US banks to stop the bank run that had already started. Covid provided the cover for trillions to be released into the economy to dilute the banking crisis and buy more time for solutions to be sought to the dollars collapse which is now on the cards with infinite printing from the fed.

jay
jay
Apr 28, 2020 10:58 PM
Reply to  Willem

Essentially the ‘flu vaccine is useless…
This is how the scam works…
Bad ‘flu year – “we guessed wrong. Just bad luck, we will get it right next year”.
‘Good’ ‘flu year – “we guessed right, the ‘flu vax is wonderful, keep taking the shots”.

jack(jim)
jack(jim)
Apr 28, 2020 10:09 PM

This is like blaming Hitler’s tailor, for Hitlers crimes, The US wants Gates to do this stuff in the interest of the USA, it’s military and corporations and ultimately the dollar. Gates is a sub-contractor to the Empire.
Facebook’s attempt to introduce a currency, the libra was a real threat to the national sovereignty of any country that used it. Like an alternative financial system, Libra side-stepped the national bank in any country it operated. I suspect that is why it was dropped, since it would have been banned in every sensible country wishing to control its own financial system, but the US would have loved it because it would ultimately be under its control.

Libra was a model that mirrored the way Facebook had side stepped national governments and influenced the people’s attitudes directly, in every country they operated, via news and videos. But unfortunately countries did not ban Facebook, and have surrendered control of their national mood to them. Taking control of a countries debate to institute coups is what the CIA have been doing for decades, so it is wrong to see Facebook as only a private corporation, it’s also an arm of the CIA.
Brexit was Facebook’s victory, they turned a large part of the British population into active, rather than passive, xenophobes, which tipped the vote against the EU, an enemy of the US, and heralded in a period of far-right government in the UK, far more sympathetic to US demands on trade as well as reducing the size of the EU.

The US works at multiple levels, military, CIA and corporate, it is a Corporate fascist state, where all work towards getting rich in the interests of Empire.

Jose Silveira
Jose Silveira
Apr 29, 2020 2:45 AM
Reply to  jack(jim)

You forgot to mention that some of the strongest roots of the “Empire” are firmly set in the Royals of Europe – it is not an exclusive US product.

jack(jim)
jack(jim)
Apr 29, 2020 10:43 AM
Reply to  Jose Silveira

What nonsense.

Caltrop
Caltrop
Apr 28, 2020 10:06 PM

Dr.Shiva Ayyadurai exposing big pharmas, hospitals and vaccines

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6NRG59xhA2A&feature=emb_logo

Shiva explains how this “pandemic” is a criminal marketing exercise “imposing fake science” led by Gates and Fauci, the “masters of fraud” in the pharmaceutical industry. “They don’t care about your health”, it’s about money and power, the mandating of vaccines for the whole world thereby making trillions of dollars and the NWO agenda.

Watch from about 1 hour 15 minutes to get the gist of the crime he brilliantly exposes.

crank
crank
Apr 28, 2020 9:45 PM

I raised this point some years back as a monetary reform advocate, but most in the movement seemed unconcerned with the democratic implications of money’s development :
As the medium of transaction has transformed (at least in recent times) there has been an accompanying decrease in the liberty of monetary forms. The metal coin is completely anonymous, and at least some of its value was held within the actual precious metal out of which it was minted. Anyone could use a coin and no authority could trace the transaction through the coin itself.
A paper note (certainly one of high denomination) will be marked with a serial number. The famous problem of laundering cash to get around this problem is one instance that shows how paying with a numbered note ties a transaction to a specific thing – i.e. the worthless paper note.
A cheque would locate a transaction and a specific individual, not necessarily at a certain place on a certain day.
And so on…a contactless payment links a specific transaction involving listed goods or services with a place, a time, a day, and a specific device that enables funds to be moved from account A to account B.
The final step is to make cash linked to a person’s physical being : effectively to turn them into money. Even a phone payment is made from a device that is giving location data all the time, and people do not generally part with their phones. The bracelet, ring or implant will be a simple shoe-in for the contactless tech and (as far as I can think) would be the logical endpoint of this ‘progression’.

The talk of numbers of deaths occuring due to this virus are, in my opinion relatively inconsequential. The economy is being completely transformed during this period, at breakneck pace. The consequences of the new system (surely not to be understood as ‘Neoliberalism’) will make the half million or so mainly elderly and sick people who will have had their lives foreshortened by C19 no more than a margin note.
Commenters who strut in the light of raised mortality this month and say “imagine how bad it would be if we had no lockdown !” will look back and realise their ignorance. When there are no health services except for the top 10%, when famine stalks the land, when fuel is a rarety, when society is left to break down outside the technologically secured enclaves of the select few, then the unbounded imbecility of those who see today’s closure as ‘precautionary’ will finally hit home.

You cannot just reboot an economy overnight – especially one as dysfunctional as ours. It is fucked. And anyway, the programmers are installing a new operating system that will make our deprivations today look like a pleasantly distracting screen saver.

crank
crank
Apr 28, 2020 10:41 PM
Reply to  crank

A new report from the Institute for Policy Studies found that, while tens of millions of Americans have lost their jobs during the coronavirus pandemic, America’s ultra-wealthy elite have seen their net worth surge by $282 billion in just 23 days.

https://www.mintpressnews.com/super-rich-see-wealth-rise-282-billion-three-weeks-coronavirus/267027/?fbclid=IwAR3ZH2Rl1K9hknxCSMW_LcjOpGl5SbeVyNYMDt9R6lG1hWOFegm2l6SJbHM#.XqebS8a5CPk.twitter

crank
crank
Apr 28, 2020 10:44 PM
Reply to  crank

[that is equivalent to the GDP of Pakistan – pop. 210 million people]

paul
paul
Apr 28, 2020 9:42 PM

It is easy to see how people will just be arbitrarily, digitally “de platformed” monetarily, and “de monetised”, as so many have been on social media, without warning, explanation, or right of appeal, at the behest of some loathsome, nauseating individuals like Gates, Zuckerberg or Soros, serving the agendas of corporatist and globalist elites.

Anyone who is deemed to have stepped out of line will be digitally dispossessed, their wealth essentially declared null and void and confiscated.
You made a donation to BDS, or Palestine Solidarity? (Or maybe Offguardian?)
Sorry, you’re obviously anti semitic, or a subversive Russian troll, or maybe both, and certainly guilty of “inauthentic” behaviour. So you have been unpersonned and can no longer function financially. You can’t even beg for change from passers by, because it’s been abolished.

This form of theft and financial terrorism is routinely practised against scores of countries, Venezuela, Iran, DPRK, Syria, being just a few obvious examples. Maybe China shortly as well. It may very soon be directed at recalcitrant individuals, or whole populations.

There have been many similar scams, plots and conspiracies globally.
There was a proposal to abolish all bank notes in the US, and just retain coins for use in vending machines.
Under Yeltsin, high denomination Russian bank notes were confiscated, with the standard pretext that this was a crackdown on organised crime and money laundering. Government tax receipts had collapsed during the chaos of the 1990s, and this was a desperate form of organised mugging to get some money to fund government spending.
In Libya, Gaddafi declared all bank notes except the smallest denomination, the equivalent of a $1 or £1 note, to be invalid overnight. So people had to go around with suitcases full of this smallest denomination note.

This is a form of digital serfdom much beloved of the regimes who lord it over us.

Reg
Reg
Apr 29, 2020 1:20 AM
Reply to  paul

Modi in India did the same as Yeltsin, if you recall. Yes, this digital tyranny is meant to suppress dissent, keep us in line. A nightmare world is taking shape right before our eyes.

George Mc
George Mc
Apr 28, 2020 9:28 PM

I take it that everyone knows the premise of of Kafka’s “Metamorphosis” whereby a man goes to sleep and wakes up transformed into a giant cockroach. I think that in truth, the opposite happened. A cockroach went to sleep and woke up transformed into a man. And his name was Bill Gates.

Richard Le Sarc
Richard Le Sarc
Apr 28, 2020 11:39 PM
Reply to  George Mc

I really think that Gates, like Soros, is just a front-man, and the real power-brokers remain hidden, while Gates and Soros take the flak.

cupid stunt
cupid stunt
Apr 29, 2020 5:38 AM

I think you are right – welcome to the world of puppetry and, like you say, you never actually get to see whose holding the strings – but both Gates and Soros know both what they are doing and who they are doing it for.

wardropper
wardropper
Apr 28, 2020 9:27 PM

The same happened when decimalization of the UK’s currency happened in 1971. We were told that what used to cost the equivalent of a 10p piece would still cost the same amount. After a very short time – a very short time indeed – it became quite apparent to me one day that the true cost was exactly 2 1/2 times what it was previously. Needless to say, nobody’s wages were increased 250% to compensate for this downright robbery, and I remember that day well, sunshine and all.

Marten Touw
Marten Touw
Apr 28, 2020 9:23 PM

While I agree with the premise, that there is a ‘war’ on cash. The article is a concoction of assertions, conflation and half baked truths. Putting Gates Foundation at the centre of a cabal of companies at ‘war’ with cash is disingenuous. Paypal , Visa and the others quoted are in the business of replacing cash for their business interests which interests are obviously to provide an alternative payments mechanism. It is up to civil society, we the people, to regulate to ensure we get the payments medium we want and are comfortable with. Focus on the stealth by which governments are moving to replace cash.

Gates Foundation does much really good work across the globe and Gates himself, while he made a fortune selling what was for years was very dodgy software, certainly has his heart in the right place with respect to the direction his Foundation takes. The proposition that he is in some anti-cash conspiracy is rubbish.

George Mc
George Mc
Apr 28, 2020 10:02 PM
Reply to  Marten Touw

And how do “we the people …regulate to ensure we get the payments medium we want” considering “the stealth by which governments are moving to replace cash”?

Marten Touw
Marten Touw
Apr 28, 2020 11:28 PM
Reply to  George Mc

We get the politicians and society we deserve. How many times have you agitated against this or for a better policy by doing more than writing ‘letters to the Editor’. For the most part we rant and rave, b*tch and moan and do absolutely nothing constructive.

Jose Silveira
Jose Silveira
Apr 29, 2020 3:06 AM
Reply to  Marten Touw

From where I stand, that sounds unbelievably naive…
It passed as a concept in the 70s, at the bar conversations of progressive wannabes.
We get the politicians (aka puppets) that the true powers want put in place.
You surely know what happens to politicians (or key players) who fail to follow the script.

Marten Touw
Marten Touw
Apr 29, 2020 9:05 AM
Reply to  Jose Silveira

And the opposite side of my ‘naivity’ is standing by and meekly accepting the puppets. What have you got on how you/someone/other might change it?

George Mc
George Mc
Apr 29, 2020 8:01 AM
Reply to  Marten Touw

So no answer I see.

Marten Touw
Marten Touw
Apr 29, 2020 9:07 AM
Reply to  George Mc

What I would like to see is civil disobedience. What I would settle for is voting in a political class that had a spine.

George Mc
George Mc
Apr 29, 2020 9:29 AM
Reply to  Marten Touw

Well we both agree to that although the second seems to be completely off the table. Therefore we are left with the first.

D Y
D Y
Apr 29, 2020 1:00 PM
Reply to  Marten Touw

TOTALLY INGENUOUS ASCERTION. YOU KNOW FULL WELL WHAT HAPPENS TO THOSE THAT RAISE THEIR HEAD ABOVE THE PARAPET TO PROTEST THEIR ENSLAVEMENT. THEY AND THEIR FAMILY ARE DESTROYED BY MI5 AND THEIR CHILDREN CONFISCATED BY SOCIAL SERVICES ON FABRICATED NONSENSE. THE PLAY BOOK IS ALWAYS THE SAME IN ANY COUNTRY…OH YOU HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THE NWO!!!??? WE KNOW WHERE YOUR KIDS ARE!

YOU STAND UP FIRST MATE….ONCE THE MACHINE IS CLOGGED WITH ENOUGH DEAD BODIES AND LOOKS WEAKER MAYBE I WILL RISK SOMETHING…UNTIL THEN IT IS LIFE UNDER THE RADAR 🙁

Harriet
Harriet
Apr 29, 2020 3:03 AM
Reply to  Marten Touw

” Gates himself, while he made a fortune selling what was for years was very dodgy software, certainly has his heart in the right place with respect to the direction his Foundation takes.”

You know this . . .HOW?
I expect you have your heart in the right place, but that does not change the fact that this is a ridiculous assertion.
It is very likely that the motivation of Gates’s interest in vaccines aligns with his interest in his prime field, digital technology, and how to make money from it. The potential of nano-chips inserted into vaccines is what links Gates’s two primary interests. Bear in miand that Gates has consistently screwed his customer base via his absurd licensing laws and constant reliance on planned obsolescence. When MS finally gets a product debugged enough so that it is actually useful and reliable, it is time for a new vaccine—oops, I mean OS. Now you can throw out a perfectly good computer and a OS because MS decrees that they need a new infusion of money from customers so they are pulling the plug on their product.

Really, Gates’s business model stinks, and provides zero evidence that his “heart is in the right place.”

You know, in addition, that Gates is in the foreskin business. That is another one of his obsessions. Gates is a not-nice weirdo. Like Soros. Like the Koches. Like Fauci. Honestly I don’t know how you can make such silly “heart” excuses for such dangerously powerful people.

Marten Touw
Marten Touw
Apr 29, 2020 9:23 AM
Reply to  Harriet

My wife does philanthropy with, not for, not employed by, the Gates Foundation. I see some of the good there. I have come across GF elsewhere in my own volunteer philanthropic work. But here is some stuff from their website specific to the digital cash question:

“About 1.7 billion people worldwide are excluded from formal financial services, such as savings, payments, insurance, and credit…… Women are excluded from these beneficial financial systems more often. Nearly one billion are still left out of the formal financial system…

Most poor households… operate almost entirely through a cash economy. This means they have to save in physical assets, such as livestock or jewelry. Cash gets spent, animals die, and jewelry can be lost or stolen…… To send money to family, those without a bank account have to rely on couriers or friends who carry cash by bus, which is expensive, insecure, and slow. To borrow money in an emergency, they must turn to moneylenders who charge notoriously high interest rates.

Our strategy is aimed at……. helping to drive the development of digital payment systems that can help spread use of digital financial services quickly, advancing gender equality to ensure women share in the benefits of financial inclusion, and supporting the development of national and regional strategies that accelerate progress for the poor……… We also invest in national financial inclusion initiatives where the largest number of people living in poverty stand to benefit from digital financial services, including: Bangladesh, India, Nigeria, Pakistan, Indonesia, and East Africa.”

Where is the catch?

paul
paul
Apr 30, 2020 6:10 PM
Reply to  Marten Touw

“Give me control of a nation’s money and I care not who makes the laws for that country.”
Bill “Rothschild” Gates.

paul
paul
Apr 30, 2020 6:06 PM
Reply to  Marten Touw

Yes, you’re quite right. You don’t need cash at all. Just send it all to me.

jack(jim)
jack(jim)
Apr 28, 2020 9:16 PM

Dr. Ngozi Ezike from the NIH explains how Covid19 Deaths are determined

Don’t forget to add the road accident victims, who died with covid.

jay
jay
Apr 28, 2020 9:13 PM

Hospitals get more money for COVID-19 Medicare patients — then payout skyrockets if they go on ventilators, fact check confirms

http://www.tathasta.com/2020/04/hospitals-get-more-money-for-covid-19.html

Surprise, surprise, New York does not require a positive test, only a diagnosis…
Whistleblowing doctors report that ventilators are the wrong treatment for the elderly but the old and alone are too afraid not to consent…
Murder for money $39,000 medicare per patient on a ventilator.

Richard Le Sarc
Richard Le Sarc
Apr 28, 2020 11:42 PM
Reply to  jay

The medical-industrial-pharmaceutical system is only interested in profit. Patients, whether dead or alive are just commodities.