WATCH: Perspectives on the Pandemic #6 “The big issue is people suffering…the collateral damage appears more significant than the damage being caused by the actual disease.”

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Dee Cee
Dee Cee
May 6, 2020 12:27 AM

Can someone tell me: how do we know that the genetic code identified by the rtPCR test for SARS-CoV-2 isn’t the same code found in other coronaviruses? From what I understand, the test detects fragmentary RNA, the samples that produced this RNA were never subjected to Koch’s Postulate (purified, cultured, used to infect a susceptible lab animal, then extracted, purified and cultured again, which proves that the exact virus is actually causing the symptoms), and I also understand that coronaviruses are so ubiquitous that they can be found in any human population, any time of year, at a background rate of about 15%. So… how do we know the test is actually detecting SARS-CoV-2?

R Anand
R Anand
May 6, 2020 10:50 AM
Reply to  Dee Cee

Yes, I too have been trying to find answers to this.

Also, when was the very first time in Wuhan in China that a test kit to detect the Cov-2 virus used? Who approved that test kit? What trials were conducted to clear that test kit?

Roberto
Roberto
May 9, 2020 3:16 PM
Reply to  Dee Cee

How can people still arguing that the lockdown did not work?
I am a scientist working with the Covid19. One of the fist epidemiological rules in case of an epidemic or pandemic is distance . It has been known since the Ancient Greek. Stop say it did not work because you have No idea what would happen whiteout. If you want to argue how was put in place and criticize some of the craziness that go around that is ok and probably even right.

Roccoxxx
Roccoxxx
May 5, 2020 11:23 PM

And in the future, when the “deaths by Covid-19” will be shown to decrease, they will say it was thanks to the lockdown.
There will always be a valid narrative to justify the events to the masses. I wish there could come a point when I would tell my relatives “I told you it was all a hoax”, but I’m starting to realize it might never happen. The truth will always sound like a conspiracy theory

JudyJ
JudyJ
May 6, 2020 12:38 PM
Reply to  Roccoxxx

The current media focus is on the enormously inflated Covid19 UK death rate compared to other countries. Rather than questioning whether this may actually ‘disprove’ the success of the lock down or be indicative of manipulated statistics, most of the MSM are immediately claiming it is because the lock down wasn’t introduced soon enough or wasn’t strict enough. Talk about head in sand or just blind ignorance. Or maybe being complicit in the scandal?

Jane
Jane
May 5, 2020 4:53 PM

Did anyone take much interest in the videos coming out of China back in January? I didn’t, but since I’d heard that people were apparently collapsing in the streets, I looked up Youtube to see what I could find. The first video I came up with was this one, which doesn’t actually show anyone collapsing. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2LtA0-qoHOg It was put out by the South China Morning Post on January 4th. The first scene has the caption “A mystery illness in China.” The second has “At least 44 people have been infected with an unknown virus in Wuhan.” Just to drive home the point, “unknown virus in Wuhan” appears in yellow. There is a shot of a sinister live animal market, now closed and empty, and people in masks shuffling around. A man who thinks there is nothing to worry about is interviewed. Creepy music plays throughout. According to Wikipedia the first confirmed death from this new virus happened on January 9th. The question is: why does the South China Morning Post produce a video, on January 4th, before anyone has died, that looks like the start of a horror film? It is almost like the opening of a screenplay that has already been written.

Basher
Basher
May 5, 2020 6:39 PM
Reply to  Jane

France has re-tested samples from former patients. They found a Covid19 positive patient tested on 27th December. He hadn’t left France since August, when he went to Algeria. Louis Pasteur institute has also identified a Covid19 virus that didn’t arrive from Italy or China, but this research isn’t yet peer reviewed. These two cases would seem to fit together. Wonder if they, or any family members, had taken part in World Military Games in Wuham, China, October 2019?

Richard Le Sarc
Richard Le Sarc
May 6, 2020 10:17 AM
Reply to  Basher

This Fort Detrick virus has been spread widely, by the perpetrators. The hit on Iran, targeting the ruling elite, and the recent sudden explosion in Russia are also quite interesting.

Binra
Binra
May 14, 2020 6:58 PM

If it is lab created or modified OR discovered rather than genetically defined so as to be a basis to weaponise colds and flu, then it is a dud because overall deaths are within average norms. So while the idea that biology is being researched for destructive purposes is not in doubt, it is much easier to generate a terror contagion narrative from effects of toxic smog and other contributing factors some of which may be vaccine induced immune dysfunction and other medical and environmental exposures.

The weaponisation of toxic viral contagion is more effectively transmitted to take if delivered by injection, rather than by infection from snot spray etc.

The exploitation of the virus fear by ruling elites is an opportunity to ratchet up control at the expense of our rights and freedoms.

The fear is generally false flagged and the solution delivers the very thing it was supposed to defend against. There is no effective difference between bio-guilt (test-asserted infection) and carbon guilt and original sin – in terms of already guilty until compliance earns temporary remission. The idea that the body is weak and unable to ward off or grow stronger through challenge is the frailty of the locked down self isolated mind – flagged or projected onto the body which becomes the proxy for attack.

The investment in war narratives rather than opening all narrative to question is a way of ensuring the mask stays on as the proof of attack and the need for ongoing compliance with protection.

War is a Racket in the name of protection or settlement of grievances. Hybrid war is where a war based cartel of self interest institutes perpetual war as the very system on which society is to be run. I contend this also will be a dud – but like a dud pandemic the real payload is in our manipulated fear fuelled defences – not the attacker.
The virus is falsely flagged. But the belief in contagious pathogen is very deepset in a mind that has to split from its own nature to ‘protect itself’ and so a demonised nature is given the motive properly addressed to the denial and withdrawal from life (attack and abandonment or lack of support).

Virus theory is built on the archetype of demonology – and yet fear given power is destructive – regardless if on close inspection it is unfounded.

Steve Hayes
Steve Hayes
May 5, 2020 2:06 PM

The harm caused by the government’s “lockdown” measures was predictable. Indeed, many individuals did predict that the government’s measures would be more harmful than the virus. I predicted it myself. (https://viewsandstories.blogspot.com/2020/03/coronavirus-mortality-and-fear-mongering.html) Yet the government made no attempt to estimate how many people would die as a result of their “lockdown” measures, as Matt Hancock, the Health Secretary, admitted on 10 April. At that Coronavirus Daily Update, Hancock asserted that he took this seriously and that he and the Chancellor would look into it immediately. Almost a month later, and still neither Hancock nor the Chancellor nor any other member of the government has told us how many people will die as a result of these draconian measures. This failure to weigh the risks against the potential benefits shows that the government’s approach to policy-making on this issue is irrational, irresponsible and incompetent.

Shaking My Head
Shaking My Head
May 5, 2020 4:07 PM
Reply to  Steve Hayes

There was a doctor being interviewed yesterday on the Canadian Broadcasting Corporation (our version of BBC) about ending the lockdown. He mentioned the process can be begun now, but that we may need multiple lockdowns again if ‘necessary’. Which just made me laugh. People’s livelihoods are on the brink of ruin because of one lockdown, how can any economic activity be conducted with MULTIPLE lockdowns? It made me think, are these the people like Hancock who have absolutely no awareness of the social/financial/health consequences of the lockdown, who are guiding policy? Is it complete detachment from reality via a pampered life, ignorance, a pathologically narrow view of the world?

Shaking My Head
Shaking My Head
May 5, 2020 4:38 PM

Italy fury erupts as mass starvation fears spark chaos https://www.express.co.uk/news/world/1277117/Italy-fury-European-Union-financial-collapse-eurozone-Conte-coronavirus-latest but “multiple lockdowns” are a good idea…

Shaking My Head
Shaking My Head
May 5, 2020 4:56 PM

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/lebanon-protests-economy-beirut-latest-a9489956.html “Multiple lockdowns” — shaking my head at the complete detachment of our media doctors from reality.

Pajays
Pajays
May 5, 2020 6:37 PM

Rest assured, they know the outcome very well. The entire scenario was planned out in advance. It is intentional.

wardropper
wardropper
May 5, 2020 7:18 PM
Reply to  Pajays

I agree it is intentional, but it is the intent of rather dull-witted children, and not of responsible, adult pillars of society. Even their facial expressions are familiar to any experienced teacher at junior school level – the blushing boy caught red-handed stealing school stationery, the angry girl furious at being found out for lying about another girl… yet we allow these juvenile delinquents in smart suits actually to claim to be our representatives. We are just too forgiving. We even forgive the unforgivable.

Steve Hayes
Steve Hayes
May 6, 2020 1:42 PM
Reply to  Pajays

Pajays, so how many people do they expect to die as a result of the “lockdown” measures?

Petra Liverani
Petra Liverani
May 5, 2020 1:57 PM

At about 34 seconds Dan mentions where he got his health sciences degree from. It sounds like Lossier University. Can anyone confirm the name of the university he says?

BOTTOM LINE
All the evidence supports Trauma-based Mind Control Psychological Operation or Problem > Reaction > Solution scenario which is a technique that dates at least from the Roman emperor, Diocletian.

“Diocletian’s vice-emperor, Galerius, didn’t have a hard time in persuading him that if a Palace were just to burn down, Diocletian could really accelerate his crusade against the Christians. Just by coincidence, twice within sixteen days toward the end of February, Diocletian’s palace in Nicomedia burned. The Christians were immediately blamed.”
https://planetofchange.wordpress.com/2012/07/24/diocletians-problem-reaction-solution/

These guys look like controlled opposition to me.
With the big psyops they always cater for both the believers and the skeptics.
For the believers: Scary pandemic
For the skeptics: Blown-out-of-proportion virus illness

Reality: Nada, niente, zilch. Zero illness beyond the ordinary. The only thing that’s out there is propaganda of whatever nature. That’s the only thing zooming around the world, invading our homes and minds and causing shortness of breath and heart palpitations.

When they implement a massive psyop like this one you can expect massive controlled opposition to be pushed out as they’ve done for 9/11.

However, we can easily ignore the controlled opposition and simply look at the ludicrous evidence they present to us in the form of the most unconvincing “coronavirus patients” you could ever hope to see on camera.
Here’s one: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hoTpRQtfnII

How many millennia till we wake up?

Frank Speaker
Frank Speaker
May 5, 2020 9:12 PM
Reply to  Petra Liverani

Thank you for your periodic contribution PSYOPS 77th Brigade Persona @149
The wise ones here know that your mission is to discredit genuine analysis of Establishment conspiracies by posting your own crap.

Richard Le Sarc
Richard Le Sarc
May 6, 2020 10:18 AM
Reply to  Frank Speaker

Ain’t that the truth.

Petra Liverani
Petra Liverani
May 6, 2020 1:08 PM
Reply to  Frank Speaker

Frank, if you have a single skerrick of evidence that favours “real pandemic” or “blown-out-of-proportion virus illness” over “live exercise” pushed out as real please put it below. I simply don’t understand why you object to what I say when I have evidence to back it and you can never provide a single, solitary piece of evidence for your belief in the reality of events.

Dungroanin
Dungroanin
May 5, 2020 12:21 PM

ADMINS,

Why have I stopped receiving notifications of replies?

Sophie - Admin1
Admin
Sophie - Admin1
May 5, 2020 12:34 PM
Reply to  Dungroanin

I don’t know. What is your subscriber name?

Dungroanin
Dungroanin
May 5, 2020 1:37 PM

DunGroanin

I just got one from George! But not yours?

Gremlines?

Gwyn
Gwyn
May 5, 2020 5:43 PM
Reply to  Dungroanin

Are they the Guardian’s version of Gremlins?

Sam - Admin2
Admin
Sam - Admin2
May 5, 2020 8:14 PM
Reply to  Gwyn

What does that even mean?

Gwyn
Gwyn
May 5, 2020 9:48 PM
Reply to  Sam - Admin2

I thought that Gremlines (as Dungroanin misspelled it) might be the female version of Gremlins. (It was a reference to the Guardian’s obsession with identity politics).

Richard Le Sarc
Richard Le Sarc
May 8, 2020 10:20 AM
Reply to  Gwyn

Femlins?

Hank
Hank
May 5, 2020 12:12 PM

Natural herd immunity unlike vaccines don’t have stuff from pigs, abortions and who knows what plus has no side effects.

altCensored.com
altCensored.com
May 5, 2020 11:57 AM

‘coronavirus’ in search returns 118 Censored YouTube videos:
https://www.altcensored.com/search?q=coronavirus

altCensored.com is an Unbiased Community Catalog of 40K+ Limited State YouTube videos, including deleted content: “we show what they hide”

mikael
mikael
May 5, 2020 11:39 AM

Now, this is really intresting and is again an Tour de Force into whom is doing what.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NQ29vgOpTQQ
From Vannesa Beeley, she, is an true journalist, and I am indeed impressed and this video is from UKcolum intervju of Her, and is about the hidden hands behind UKG responce to this Scamdemic and who is behind it, and do Notise Norway, an nation so brainwashed that its epic, in scale and scope, and if that isnt enough, we are just this days, left/right dont matter, ther is NO difference between this, 15 billion Kronas to this org. run by Gates of Hell.

You should be aware of what I find quite revealing this days of manufactures hysteria and an avalance of bullshitting, and this dont only go to the usual rotten scums at the MSM, incl Norway where everything is under rock hard control, but also to the so called alternative sites, that narrative is dying as we speak, if it ever was an true one in the first place, from Foreman Mao of Alabama, russian uh… Alt sites and so on over to the Moronikans like ZH, etc, they do this day come up with something from now and then, but that main problem is everything else, witch incl the bashing of China, and you can read about the vassals lining up behind Trumpstein & Co hate propaganda, and even coup attempts witch was crushed against Venezuela.

Then the same people, incl comentary fields, is all bashing Sweden, yeah, and whines about 2500 ca. deaths ( I just rounds up the numbers) and claims Sweden is doing the wrong thing, while the same people dont even know where Sweden is, and Sweden is not the same as Norway, two largly different nations, and population is much larger and their citys to, and also have long livety witch reflects the numbers thru larger entitys as homes for elders etc to more compact citys.
And since we have debated the Sweds before, remeber this, in 2018, over 8000 died of the anual flu, and nobody cared, but this time, the numbers are just 1/3, and everybody goes total retard.
Hurmf.
Norway is much lesser dense when it comes to population density and of course, easier to handle, but we whent into the same insane procedure are the even insaner Brits and the Imperial banana republic Moronika formerly known as the USA, witch is pointing everywhere else but not where the problem comes from, them self.
Watch the video and learn.
Have an nice day and take care.

peace

Moneycircus
Moneycircus
May 5, 2020 12:39 PM
Reply to  mikael

Beeley’s research shows the hand of the British behind the vaccine “alliance” GAVI, just as the British were behind Russiagate. It is time to rethink cuddly old Britain and the brainwashing that Brits get from an early age that Britain is only a force for good and only johnny foreigner does bad things.
Vanessa looks at the role of Paul Ferguson, The Welcome Trust, Gavi, ID2020 digital identity “alliance” and the security state in pushing vaccines as a business and digital IDs as a means of political control. She also monitors how online censorship has tried to stifle any investigation into these networks.

Guy
Guy
May 10, 2020 7:41 PM
Reply to  mikael

Vanessa does very good work especially her work on the ground in Syria .Eva Bartlett and Vanessa are both on the ground journalists in the Middle East and Levant .
Thanks for the link.

Dors
Dors
May 5, 2020 11:22 AM

Dan Erickson and Dr. Antin Massihi were passionately criticised by biologist Heather Heying, with assistance of her husband Bret Weinstein. (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mYQJSobQgAc) . As both sides talk for hours, and talk rather than write, I followed all of this only to an extent. Shortcomings on both sides are likely. I spotted a few. My overarching impression is that of … thinking in mental bubbles, brain in a vat kind of thing.

Moneycircus
Moneycircus
May 5, 2020 11:56 AM
Reply to  Dors

Just goes to show how few stay sane these days. Heather and Bret fought long battle with SJWs and the madness that passes for student/academic politics. Film maker Mike Nayana chronicled their battle with grievance lunacy https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCzk08fzh5c_BhjQa1w35wtA

Gezzah Potts
Gezzah Potts
May 6, 2020 10:53 AM
Reply to  Moneycircus

One of the really positive things about coming here is finding links to things you didn’t even know existed.
This video is so bang on, and as a fellow human being…. I loathe the poisonous, divisive crap of identity politics as well.
Its totally sidetracked any real resistance to what is happening. Instead they’re screeching about pronouns and toilets ffs…

Dungroanin
Dungroanin
May 5, 2020 10:57 AM

The provisional number of deaths registered in England and Wales in Week 17 (week ending 24 April 2020) decreased from 22,351 in Week 16 (week ending 17 April 2020) to 21,997. This is 11,539 more deaths than the five-year average of 10,458.

https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/birthsdeathsandmarriages/deaths/bulletins/deathsregisteredweeklyinenglandandwalesprovisional/weekending24april2020#deaths-registered-by-week

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Dungroanin
Dungroanin
May 5, 2020 11:04 AM
Reply to  Dungroanin

Just concentrate on the top graph – which is TOTAL deaths compared to a 5 year average and queue up below to tell me that the virus, epidemic and deaths are fake again.

Offlands
Offlands
May 5, 2020 11:22 AM
Reply to  Dungroanin

The number of death registrations involving the coronavirus (COVID-19) decreased from 8,758 in Week 16 to 8,237 in Week 17. This means that 37.4% of all deaths registered in Week 17 mentioned COVID-19, compared with 39.2% of all deaths in Week 16.

The number of deaths mentioning “Influenza and Pneumonia” on the death certificate (without COVID-19) decreased from 1,931 in Week 16 to 1,696 in Week 17. There were 2,944 deaths in Week 17 that mentioned both “Influenza and Pneumonia” and COVID-19 on the death certificate.

What is causing the other non-COVID excess deaths far above the 5 year average? Why has the increase in total excess deaths grown exponentially after week 12 ending 20 March (the day after lock-up began)?

Dungroanin
Dungroanin
May 5, 2020 12:01 PM
Reply to  Offlands

Offlands,

It takes 4-6 weeks from infection to death is what it means.

The lockdown happened on 23/3.

We are at a plateau of excess deaths because if it and they should reduce faster.

Corona Virus deaths have been UNDER REPORTED.
Because not every death showed Covid symptoms . And not every death is tested for SARS-CoV-2 virus.

Next.

Sam - Admin2
Admin
Sam - Admin2
May 5, 2020 12:50 PM
Reply to  Dungroanin

4-6 weeks from infection to death? Really? I haven’t seen that written down anywhere before. Are you basing that on the stats or on another source?

Offlands
Offlands
May 5, 2020 1:37 PM
Reply to  Sam - Admin2

Under reported? I would suggest the guidelines from WHO for reporting deaths from COVID19 imply over reporting as has been widely questioned both here and on other sites:

https://www.who.int/classifications/icd/Guidelines_Cause_of_Death_COVID-19-20200420-EN.pdf

2. DEFINITION FOR DEATHS DUE TO COVID-19
A death due to COVID-19 is defined for surveillance purposes as a death resulting from a clinically compatible illness, in a probable or confirmed COVID-19 case, unless there is a clear alternative cause of death that cannot be related to COVID disease (e.g. trauma). There should be no period of complete recovery from COVID-19 between illness and death.
A death due to COVID-19 may not be attributed to another disease (e.g. cancer) and should be counted independently of preexisting conditions that are suspected of triggering a severe course of COVID-19.

COVID-19 should be recorded on the medical certificate of cause of death for ALL decedents where the disease caused, or is assumed to have caused, or contributed to death.

We are at a plateau because of lockdown? We are doing worse than any other country bar perhaps the US. Why? Because we have basically shut down the NHS for anything other than COVID19 cases. We did not protect the care homes. People are living in fear and people are dying as they are not getting the treatments they need. Stress and anxiety is one hell of a killer.

Yes there are excess deaths but not from or with COVID19. You cannot brush that away with UNDER REPORTING. Even if suspected, there is a green light to state COVID19 yet nearly 2/3 do not state it.

Richard Todd
Richard Todd
May 8, 2020 6:45 PM
Reply to  Offlands

The rise in care home deaths came after visitors were barred. Does that suggest that the patients only contracted the virus from staff or after admission as in the case of my friend’s father who was admitted after a fall. At age 88, in the second week he picked up a chest infection which turned to pneumonia. He died some weeks later, but in the last week he tested positive for covid. On the death certificate it is recorded he died of covid, but did he? Just one example.

Dungroanin
Dungroanin
May 5, 2020 1:43 PM
Reply to  Sam - Admin2

My assessment based on reports of when signs and symptoms of covid appear, to if it progresses to need for hospitalisation and ultimately to the few who end up in intensive care of which upto half were dying.

Has my email alert for replies been defaulted to off? I didn’t get an email re your reply?

I’ve turned it back on for this one.

Arsebiscuits
Arsebiscuits
May 5, 2020 11:38 AM
Reply to  Dungroanin

Hospital’s are empty

The government lies all the time

Dungroanin
Dungroanin
May 5, 2020 12:04 PM
Reply to  Arsebiscuits

AB,

Yes hospitals are empty, so are shops, public transport, roads …
Pubs, hairdresser and dentists does that mean nobody wants these services too?

Next!

Tony
Tony
May 5, 2020 1:19 PM
Reply to  Dungroanin

Shops (the few that are still open) have queues to get in. Pubs and hairdressers are closed. Dentists aren’t seeing most of their patients (I currently have a molar disintegrating, but my dentist refused to take it out, explaining that it’s not classed as an emergency).

What’s the reason for hospitals being empty?

Dungroanin
Dungroanin
May 5, 2020 1:48 PM
Reply to  Tony

All elective procedures are cancelled.
Most work and car accidents aren’t happening.

Queues only seem long in most places because of spacing.
Longest i have had to wait is 20 mins at the discount European shops. Morrisons has had no queues being proper sized stores.

Tony
Tony
May 5, 2020 4:07 PM
Reply to  Dungroanin

Did you have to queue outside to do your food shopping prior to lockdown? Were the shelves as empty when you got inside if you went in the afternoon, despite there being no issues with supply lines? Is your Morrisons anywhere near Manchester? I hope so. If so, where? I’d live to know. The queues around here are horrendous.

Roberto
Roberto
May 5, 2020 9:32 PM
Reply to  Dungroanin

It’s nice to be able to rationalise these things.
It’s like the old Soviet Union except we have to queue 6 feet apart and get huge fines or possibly be arrested if we don’t. Unless of course you’re on the preferred list. But everything’s OK, really. In the USSR you could wait all day.

George Mc
George Mc
May 5, 2020 2:25 PM
Reply to  Tony

Hospitals are empty because resources are being focused on COVID, staff considered vulnerable have been sent home, and people with other conditions are too scared to go in because the end of the world is nigh. All of which are bound to lead to further deaths which, being indirectly related to COVID, will of course be classed as COVID.

Cui Bono?
Cui Bono?
May 5, 2020 2:51 PM
Reply to  Dungroanin

This is how they’re tricking everyone
https://twitter.com/EthicalSkeptic/status/1256476429115588611

Tim Drayton
Tim Drayton
May 5, 2020 4:37 PM
Reply to  Dungroanin

Don’t you raise this straw man-type of false dichotomy every week? The false dichotomy being that you either accept the dominant narrative without question, or else claim the virus is fake. However, I fall between two stools. I believe the virus is real, but the narrative created around it is exaggerated and sensationalist, especially now that serious scientific studies are showing the case fatality ratio to be far lower than was originally suggested.

George Mc
George Mc
May 5, 2020 11:21 AM
Reply to  Dungroanin

More nice wavy lines. But what can they mean? Are “COVID-19 Deaths” really deaths FROM C19 or OF C19 or “Not sure but it kinda looked like it so what the hell?”

Hey but you don’t care about any if this, do ya? So here’s what you want:

“Oh my God! We’re all gonna die! Quick – lock us all up forever and ever!”

Scream scream scream!

“Oh and let’s blame Trump and Bojo for it!” (The phoney left spin)

Wrath wrath wrath!

breweriana
breweriana
May 5, 2020 11:27 AM
Reply to  George Mc

Dung is a fully paid up Covid Cult member.
Facts do not work.
Best ignored.

Dungroanin
Dungroanin
May 5, 2020 12:19 PM
Reply to  breweriana

Brew,

I’ve only ever quoted facts.

You are pissed up in your own echo chamber with your pack of cowardly bullying hyenas attacking TRUTH in a cowardly group.

“Don’t look. Don’t look – you might catch something by looking!”

Yup they will catch the TRUTH.

All the pearl clutching and distraction so you and yours can finally crash through the hard BrexShit and full infiltration of the NHS by the US and foreign Health and Data interests.

Traitors to the British peoples postwar social democratic covenants. Just like the cowardly Mossleyites were pre and post war.

Next!

Tim Drayton
Tim Drayton
May 5, 2020 4:42 PM
Reply to  Dungroanin

Yes, facts, but dig a bit deeper and you will see that the number of deaths above average is far higher than the number of deaths attributed to Covid in the same period. This means that other factors are at work and it is worth inquiring what these are.

Dungroanin
Dungroanin
May 5, 2020 12:08 PM
Reply to  George Mc

Wavy lines are REAL dead people.
Excess deaths are people dead before they should have been

You don’t care about unnecessary extra dead people – and so you are complicit in excusing that conspiracy for first degree murder by our government.

Next

George Mc
George Mc
May 5, 2020 12:14 PM
Reply to  Dungroanin

I don’t care about wavy lines with magical properties.

Dungroanin
Dungroanin
May 5, 2020 1:35 PM
Reply to  George Mc

They choose people like you to be the mercenaries of their organisations.

Also surgeons are like that!
Dr Mengele was a great example of that.

Daleks are based on such personalities.

EXTERRMINATE!

Steve Hayes
Steve Hayes
May 5, 2020 2:16 PM
Reply to  Dungroanin

Dungroanin, your attention has repeatedly been drawn to the number of non-coronavirus related deaths above the five yearly average which commenced with the implementation of the government’s “lockdown” measures. None of these thousands of deaths can be the result of the virus. The only logical inference is that they are the result of the “lockdown” measures. Your inability to see this strongly suggests that you are emoting, rather than thinking. I invite to reflect that is at least a possibility.

Dungroanin
Dungroanin
May 5, 2020 3:30 PM
Reply to  Steve Hayes

I have acknowledged that non CV related deaths occur.

In fact probably almost all expected deaths are definitely NOT CV related.

As infact almost all Excess deaths are just as probably ARE CV related.

George Mc
George Mc
May 5, 2020 2:28 PM
Reply to  Dungroanin

Not getting out much DunG? Cracks beginning to show? Eyes starting to twitch? Ooh watch out! You know what those might be symptoms of?

Dungroanin
Dungroanin
May 5, 2020 3:35 PM
Reply to  George Mc

I’m out a lot these days George. More than usual infact.

I know quite a few self isolating and am doing plenty of shopping and deliveries to them.

I wish it wouldn’t be so and I could be playing bowls and pubbing as I had expected to instead.

And the sooner this is brought under control the better.

Eric Blairiser
Eric Blairiser
May 6, 2020 11:39 AM
Reply to  Dungroanin

Now that you can’t play bowls perhaps you could try playing marbles? That’s if you can find them, of course.

Sam - Admin2
Admin
Sam - Admin2
May 5, 2020 2:38 PM
Reply to  Dungroanin

You don’t care about unnecessary extra dead people

Please can you not attempt these sorts of emotionally manipulative arguments while claiming to argue from the facts. If this is as cut ‘n’ dry as you believe, you are simply undermining your argument this way.

Also, STOP ending your posts with ‘next’. It is childish and, given your above Appeal to Emotion, kinda insensitive, don’t you think? There really has to be some tasteful limits on hypocrisy.

You are actually refusing to engage with the points being made, and filling the gaps with speculation, while suggesting the data is also unreliable (but only unreliable in favour of your argument). However, these are questions we can’t know the answer to. No one can right now.

– What caused the excess deaths attributed to covid which were ‘suspected’ or ‘probable’?

– What caused the excess deaths not attributed to covid?

Your answer: The data isn’t reliable. These people died of Covid in all probability but were misdiagnosed.

Retort: cause of death is key. If you’re prepared to doubt the reliability of this data, but you’re only prepared to doubt in favour of your view, then you are being biased.

Conclusion: There is clearly room to doubt the data. We must see what transpires in time. It might turn out that these deaths are all due to covid. It might alternatively turn out that all deaths without influenza/pneumonia listed on the death certificate were in fact elderly victims of institutional mismanagement and a severely handicapped healthcare system, finished off before their time by raised levels of anxiety and by avoiding seeking medical assistance.

You don’t know. Neither do I.

NB. I am not an expert on this, but it just occurred to me: I don’t think these lines are exponential, they are linear. Exponential = curve, linear = straight. Prof Michael Levitt also pointed out not seeing exponential curves in China. Example, if you were working on a conveyor belt in a sausage factory, with a steady stream of sausages appearing which you had to package, and you stopped packaging these sausages, this backlog of sausages would have linear growth. If a disease were spreading contagiously and doubling everyday, that would be exponential.

More than happy to be corrected!
A2

Dungroanin
Dungroanin
May 5, 2020 3:41 PM
Reply to  Sam - Admin2

Almost every country has seen exponential growth in infection until controlled to flatten it.

Sam - Admin2
Admin
Sam - Admin2
May 5, 2020 4:56 PM
Reply to  Dungroanin

Really? Where did you see that? Would you mind linking to this information, because I haven’t come across this presentation. Thanks

Dungroanin
Dungroanin
May 5, 2020 8:19 PM
Reply to  Sam - Admin2

Be my pleasure No.2,

Sure how much information do you want?

There are literally hundreds of papers on it and many more daily – i looked at plenty to see for myself that there is enough evidence.
A lot of them are technical jargon and equations and such.
Any one with chops for it will find it interesting.
https://www.medrxiv.org/search/Exponential%252B%20numresults%3A75%20sort%3Arelevance-rank

Sam - Admin2
Admin
Sam - Admin2
May 6, 2020 2:19 AM
Reply to  Dungroanin

This is a link to a search for ‘exponential’ on covid preprints (not peer reviewed) on medRxiv and bioRxiv.

I don’t know which article you had in mind. Which article were you linking to?

Dungroanin
Dungroanin
May 5, 2020 8:20 PM
Reply to  Sam - Admin2

Here is one easy to understand conclusion for the UK (other countries are covered by other papers.

‘Social distancing and the lockdown have had an impressive impact on the UK Covid-19 epidemic and saved lives, caution is now needed in planning its relaxation.’
https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.04.28.20083329v1

Sam - Admin2
Admin
Sam - Admin2
May 6, 2020 3:16 AM
Reply to  Dungroanin

This non-peer reviewed paper says

The following are unknown; (a) the proportion of the population currently infected on any day and (b) the proportion of the population acquiring an infection on any day.

and talks about using the curve of deaths in order to conjecture the curve of daily infections, in order to predict things in a computer model. It moves the death curve back 14 days in an effort to demonstrate that lockdown is having an effect, but goes on later to say that onset to death, according to the WHO, ranges from 2-8 weeks. making this act meaningless.

(This also answers the 4-6 week thing from earlier.)

So, quite a range there, and I would suggest that such a range can’t be used to track back in time with any reliability.

The report says:

An attractive alternative to the descriptive partial differential equations is to represent each individual in the memory of a computer and then manipulate them according to explicit and modifiable rules whilst incorporating a number of stochastic processes.

This is a random ‘bit’ in a simulation, told to do some random things, as per the variables inputted, and the (unknown) rate of infection is then randomly given to that ‘bit’…..Seems goofy

All models are wrong but some are helpful (4). But worryingly some could be unhelpful, especially if they wrongly inform public policy. When considering the Covid-19 pandemic we do not, at present, know how many people are currently infected or are asymptomatic but contagious. However, by transposing the mortality curves back 20 days we may assume that the early rise in infections was doubling every 3 days and that this changed on introducing social distancing and the lockdown.

As I said already, I believe this is extremely inaccurate and misleading. It assumes that death mirrors infection. This argues backwards from the position that the virus is newly introduced into a populous, whereas without testing there is no way to know this! In fact recent serology tests, and the much earlier Oxford reports, suggested this was NOT the case. It also doesn’t attempt to take account of environmental factors, differing forms of treatment etc. or any other variables that change over time. Again, this paper is not peer reviewed. Anthony Lander is also not an Epidemiologist or specialist in disease, he is a Consultant Paediatric Surgeon.

Knowing the age and sex, an individual was designated to die if infected based on a probability taken from early Chinese data, released on February 11th 2020,

Which has since been brought into question for its use in the Imperial Report.

So, I’ve listed my critique of this (if I’m permitted to doubt the priesthood of medicine & science for a moment). Thanks for providing this article, though. It has given me a valuable insight into exactly the dangers of computer modelling. I believe we’re at the mercy of these things, and I firmly believe they can prove gravity goes up and water flies, if sufficiently massaged. Particularly if the model parameters aren’t published (Imperial ;)).

Dungroanin
Dungroanin
May 5, 2020 8:21 PM
Reply to  Sam - Admin2

Here is one that covers a few more and estimates how implementing earlier reduces the metrics.

‘Population level interventions (PLIs) impact this threat, with estimable large effects on reducing mortality. Many countries worldwide have currently zero/low mortality and many have yet to implement such PLIs. The importance of timing of PLI implementation on mortality outcomes is poorly understood. We extracted cumulative country-specific COVID-19 mortality for France, Germany, Italy, Spain and the UK to examine country-specific mortality trends and found that all five countries experienced COVID-19 mortality epidemics initially of exponential nature. We estimated the magnitude of effect on mortality of the nationwide PLI implemented on day 18 of Italy’s mortality epidemic and assessed the importance of timing of PLI implementation by computing the effect of implementation of a PLI of this magnitude at various times on subsequent mortality. The nationwide PLI in Italy saved an estimated 6,170 lives by day 30 of the Italian epidemic. Implementing a PLI with this effect magnitude in a country of 60 million people on the day of the first death, and on days 7, 10, 14 and 17 thereafter, compared to implementation on day 18, resulted in substantially greater numbers of lives saved. Implementation on day 1 resulted in an additional 3,477 lives saved, 6,955 intensive care unit admissions and 52,162 hospital admissions prevented, beyond that achieved by implementation on day 18. PLI implementation earlier than day 18 substantially enhances benefit. Intervention on the day of the first mortality event in a country achieves the greatest benefit.’
https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.04.19.20071845v1

Sam - Admin2
Admin
Sam - Admin2
May 6, 2020 1:33 AM
Reply to  Dungroanin

This Imperial study bears no resemblance to the death rate curve we see published. It is also pretty out of date now.

Dungroanin
Dungroanin
May 6, 2020 8:08 AM
Reply to  Sam - Admin2

I have not referred to the Imperial Study afaik

Sam - Admin2
Admin
Sam - Admin2
May 6, 2020 3:35 PM
Reply to  Dungroanin

“Virtus Respiratory Research Ltd, (JSJ, ESJ, SLJ)
National Heart and Lung Institute, Imperial College London, United Kingdom (SLJ)”

Its an out of date model, the graphs don’t resemble anything we’re witnessing around the globe.

Dungroanin
Dungroanin
May 5, 2020 8:23 PM
Reply to  Sam - Admin2

Simple general background on the concept of exponential is worth understanding , I shan’t bother wasting your time trying to disbelieving what i say so heres a few magazine articles.

Coronavirus and Exponential Growth [UPDATED 4-20-2020] | SETI Institute
https://www.seti.org/coronavirus-and-exponential-growth-updated-4-20-2020

Estimating epidemic exponential growth rate and basic reproduction number – ScienceDirect
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S2468042719300491

Sam - Admin2
Admin
Sam - Admin2
May 6, 2020 1:59 AM
Reply to  Dungroanin

The first link seems to deal with cases, not deaths, and just in the US. It could be linked to an exponential increase of testing, rather than infection.

The second link is not talking about covid.

I just think it’s curious that UK’s mortality isn’t exponential. However it wasn’t my main point in the post above.

Dungroanin
Dungroanin
May 6, 2020 8:10 AM
Reply to  Sam - Admin2

The UK excess deaths certainly are exponential

Sam - Admin2
Admin
Sam - Admin2
May 6, 2020 3:36 PM
Reply to  Dungroanin

They certainly don’t appear to be.

Dungroanin
Dungroanin
May 5, 2020 8:28 PM
Reply to  Sam - Admin2

And finally for now, one that is about Covid cases and the cases flattening when many countries adopted social distancing.

Daily confirmed COVID-19 cases – Our World in Data
https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/daily-cases-covid-region

There are dozens and dozens more do ask if you want them.

https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/exports/daily-cases-covid-region.svg

Sam - Admin2
Admin
Sam - Admin2
May 6, 2020 2:11 AM
Reply to  Dungroanin

The first link is a graph about cases, and not about curves flattening in response to lockdown. It says

The number of confirmed cases is lower than the number of total cases. The main reason for this is limited testing.

What does that mean? Does it mean they have been diagnosing symptomatically? It doesn’t have anything to to with exponential deaths flattening after lockdown, does it? Where is this information? I can’t see that information.

The second link is just the same graph again.

Dungroanin
Dungroanin
May 6, 2020 8:56 AM
Reply to  Sam - Admin2

Yeah sorry for duplication. THe link wasn’t showing when i pasted in first and so did it again – but neither one is displaying still. I only put it in to show how cases are flattening worldwide after the measures were implemented.

The excess deaths in the UK have certainly flattened as shown by the total deaths numbers of the ONS.

Yes there has been no testing of all deaths for CV .

Yes there has been no adequate general testing of the UK population.

It is only just being started at a scale and frequency that will allow for better understanding of how active CV is in areas but is still woeful inadequate in terms of blood tests for antibodies. The only good thing about the belated effort is that we will have more trained people on the ground by the end of the year to help monitor the second wave with hopefully better and faster testing – because it will councide with the flu season.

The UK government has not been interested in testing and controlling infections and deaths from the moment they knew what was happening- at least January.

So we are now heading for 60k excess deaths by this week, and i expect hitting 6 figures by the time this first wave is controlled.

whereas Germany , Spain, France and Italy which are equivalent countries – with their varied responses (still better than the UK) are going to end up with fewer excess deaths and earlier relaxation of ‘lockdown’ but not complete. Their collective response for the PPE and preparations for the second wave will see them better off too.

Meanwhile the UK is still being led by bozo and his team BrexShit
towards their long desired nirvana of takeover by the US into geddingitdone – no matter what and no matter how many dead.

The private US conglomerates are moving in with major contracts on the back off the worsened emergency without the standard competitive bidding processes.

There is worse to come for the British peoples and others (i’ll not go into it now) – much worse – and ALL the media, msm and alt, narratives have been coordinated to ignore that, just so the hard BrexShit is pushed through.

Be seeing you
👌

yorkshirelad
yorkshirelad
May 8, 2020 1:42 PM
Reply to  Dungroanin

Something wrong with that chart, now it roughly shows :
wk Deaths
17 – 22000
16 – 22500
15 – 18000
14 – 16000
13 – 12000

Total = 90500 over those 5 weeks

Erm no, definitely wrong. I suspect the compiler of the data has mixed up weekly with cumulative! Cumulative total for deaths for Apr 17 was 16879 and 7 days earlier it was 10760 so that makes the MAXIMUM weekly Covid deaths 6119 as of last week its 4000 per week

Richard Todd
Richard Todd
May 8, 2020 6:33 PM
Reply to  Dungroanin

Interesting that the two graphs use different scales. Graph 1 total deaths 25000, graph 2 – 10,000. This gives a skewed view that implies CoVid deaths are the reason for the spike. Given that there may well be collateral deaths of people who are afraid to attend ER in case they catch the virus and the change in the way care home deaths are recorded. The spike can easily be explained. The cause of the spike IS CoVid related by way of causing collateral deaths.

Mark Seeley
Mark Seeley
May 5, 2020 10:39 AM

I have been astonished at how compliant most people are. I find it incredible that the survival rate up to now, has been over 98% and nobody appears to be questioning the severity of the shutdown relative to the so called pandemic. Spoke to a neighbor who is a health professional, she just said: “I’ve given up trying to make sense of what’s happening”, she then looked and pressed her forefinger to her mouth…shhh!
That spoke louder than any words… this is facscm

Dors
Dors
May 5, 2020 10:42 AM
Reply to  Mark Seeley

I find it incredible that the survival rate up to now, has been over 98% and nobody appears to be questioning the severity of the shutdown.

The general survival rate will drop precipitously when the system collapses due to shutdown and compliancy.

Peter
Peter
May 5, 2020 8:37 PM
Reply to  Mark Seeley

I only disagree with one part; shh! In the face of a fascistic power grab we should all scream BS for all to hear. I tell the nervous ninnies they have 2 incurable symptoms of covid19. They are exhibiting – credulity and submission. The only known cure is turn off the mainstream media aka this flu’s PR department – and only read the numbers (as these doctors have) and read Marshall McLuhan (the medium is the message) and only then maybe they can pull their head out of their ….ss.

George Mc
George Mc
May 5, 2020 9:09 AM

I don’t normally have trouble posting on Off-G but there’d an item I have been trying to post and it’s not coming up. So I’ll try here:

The designations “left” and “right” are becoming increasingly meaningless but the *propagandist* dimension of them is what is important. I reckon that the vast majority of the public both in the UK and in the US – and probably all over the world – like to see themselves as on the “oppositional” side, usually associated with “the left”.

Think of it this way: if the govt tells you something straight up, you might feel suspicious. But if there’s a “leak” and the govt squirm with embarrassment then you’ll sit up and pay attention. And the govt know this. Hell, ever since the affluent consumer rebel fashions took off, we all like to consider ourselves crazy revolutionaries. So that’s where the propagandists pitch it.

So, consider – the lockdown has always been presented as an oppositional matter. But two docs turn up and DON’T sing from the “angry revolutionary” song sheet. What happens? They get blocked from the “lefty” channels, have to appear on the “righty” ones ….and get blasted for being reactionaries on the side of big business etc. Mission accomplished.

Mike Ellwood
Mike Ellwood
May 5, 2020 11:30 AM
Reply to  George Mc

I think this is how The Grauniad manages to tie itself up in knots. It’s an article of faith among all Guardian writers (and most of its readers, probably) that everything that Johnson and his acolytes do is wrong and evil by definition. Thus when their initial policy appeared to be “do nothing” and let herd immunity take care of things, then the holy choir of self-righteous Guardian scribblers and their disciples among the celebrati came down on the government like a ton of bricks, screaming for action.

Add to that the outrage that most decent people feel about austerity-driven cuts to public services including health.

Then when the government changed direction and imposed the draconian Coronavirus Enabling Act 1933-2020, the Grauniad and its ilk were hoist by their own petard. They had called for strong action, and this is what they got; be careful in what you wish for. We now suddenly had Matt Goebbels Hancock giving daily propaganda bulletins. Advised by Neil Mengele Ferguson who’d been busy doing illegal operations on statistics.

And let’s not even get into Trump.

Frank Speaker
Frank Speaker
May 5, 2020 8:53 AM

Dear Admin, Kit, Catte, Vaska,

the 77th Brigade bot “Thomas” is deliberately messing up the site by posting long series of off topic comments and irrelevant links and abusing other posters. Why do you allow it to continue?

They failed to bring the site down with their DDOS attacks, now they’re trying this new tactic to litter the site with comments making it unreadable, attempting to piss of readers and drive them away.

Allowing 77th Brigade to do this makes a mockery of your free speech policy, these fascist bastards don’t deserve it, please do us all a favour and remove them.

Thomas
Thomas
May 5, 2020 9:15 AM
Reply to  Frank Speaker

What’s relevant is decided by the website,
not by you jerk. How long are you gonna
keep up this childish cry for help, stalker?

Reg
Reg
May 5, 2020 10:02 AM
Reply to  Frank Speaker

And keeps posting rubbish under different usernames.

Angry Slave
Angry Slave
May 5, 2020 10:10 AM
Reply to  Frank Speaker

Perhaps an ignore feature to help filter the comments would be a good balance.

Thomas
Thomas
May 5, 2020 10:33 AM
Reply to  Angry Slave

Unfortunately, you do not attach any importance to being ignored.

Tony
Tony
May 5, 2020 8:53 AM

So, David Icke, who one of our 77th Brigade posters (jack/jim) assures us is an MI5 asset, has been de-platformed.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-52517797

The security services sure have strange ways of looking after their assets!

Tony
Tony
May 5, 2020 2:17 PM
Reply to  Tony

We now have Julian Assange (‘CIA asset’) dying in Belmarsh prison, Craig Murray (‘MI6 employee’) facing two years in prison and an unlimited fine, and David Icke (‘MI5 asset’) and Alex Jones (‘CIA asset’) both de-platformed. Not exactly model employers, our security services, are they?

Tom
Tom
May 5, 2020 7:40 AM

The Chinese have a saying: “Better the shorter pain, than the longer pain.”

It looks like it’s what these two doctors are recommending, by advocating letting people out to achieve herd immunity, and not keep people isolated too long, too much and in the end risk more infection waves.

All in all good but just one word, doctors. You guys want people to go back out, and reopen. We want people to go out and reopen. Bill Gates didn’t want that… not at least for a much longer period of time.

Moneycircus
Moneycircus
May 5, 2020 9:44 AM
Reply to  Tom

The Russians have a saying, better to die healthy. Makes a lot of sense when you think about it.

Re your phrase “go back out and reopen”. Reminds me of the ebook series Wool, by Hugh Howey. Everybody locked inside, down in the bunker. Only the ill and dying are let out, into a contaminated atmosphere, where they can survive a matter of hours, to do one last service by cleaning the camera lenses, the only remaining windows on the world. Rather one dimensional but not too far from the utopia some people seem to be aiming for.

Thomas
Thomas
May 5, 2020 6:27 AM

The dependent are lost, the free saved. What
freedom means is hard to teach these fools.
Freedom is not ‘opinions’ about everything.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muh%C5%8D_Noelke

Thomas
Thomas
May 5, 2020 6:31 AM
Reply to  Thomas

Fight for freedom means not by being part of the game, but
letting “the power of No” become effective: capacity to close.
https://www.kindspring.org/story/view.php?sid=63753

Thomas
Thomas
May 5, 2020 6:37 AM
Reply to  Thomas

Those who develop their own thoughts do not need a
“community of like-minded people”. Those who change
their lives laugh at the childish arrogance of “changing
the world”. This world has never needed anyone of you.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Scorpion_and_the_Frog

Thomas
Thomas
May 5, 2020 6:41 AM
Reply to  Thomas

I know, that sounds hard for immature pe-
ople who still believe that their “comments”
are more important than their own lifetime.

Thomas
Thomas
May 5, 2020 6:50 AM
Reply to  Thomas

Watch “Life on the Train – Life Journey (HD)” on outube.
At some point, we all have to grow up. It’s our only life.

Thomas
Thomas
May 5, 2020 6:51 AM
Reply to  Thomas

And “Don´t let the moment pass (Alan Parsons-Eric Woolfson)”!

Thomas
Thomas
May 5, 2020 6:54 AM
Reply to  Thomas

One day we run like zombies & robots to the supermarket and back. Operation successful, patient dead. Couch-Potato Homer Simpson.

Thomas
Thomas
May 5, 2020 7:01 AM
Reply to  Thomas

Living means being alive, means experiencing. We have forgotten how nature smells and feels. Above all, we have forgotten how to stand on our two feet since the roasted doves flew into our mouths. Order is a daughter of the death instinct, peace exists in the cemetery. Where is the cleansing pollution? Where is the difference to all others? Stop waiting life to happen.

Thomas
Thomas
May 5, 2020 7:10 AM
Reply to  Thomas

One day we’ll have to answer to ourselves, to no one else. We are our only judge. We can’t lie to ourselves. Nobody sees our holey socks, but we know it. How reluctant a person is to die depends on all the things he has left undone in his life. For most people, death will be the first moment when they finally stop fooling themselves.

Thomas
Thomas
May 5, 2020 7:13 AM
Reply to  Thomas

Is there a way out of this mess? Yes! By making a sport out of getting happy. By doing mental pull-ups where others go into a valley of depression. A muscle does not grow by itself, it has to be exercised several times a day.

Thomas
Thomas
May 5, 2020 7:19 AM
Reply to  Thomas

What would this require? To put a psychohygienic filter on your mind. No one can force you to do what everyone else does, to read what everyone else reads.

You have to learn to become egoists in the best sense of the word, you have to learn to give yourself radically positive energy and “vibes”. You need to get your happy hormones dancing.

Thomas
Thomas
May 5, 2020 7:20 AM
Reply to  Thomas

If another one of those whiners gets on your nerves, you go on instead of listening.

Thomas
Thomas
May 5, 2020 7:24 AM
Reply to  Thomas

Each time you carry the message further, a path burns into your brain and you convince yourself more and more. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fake_it_%27til_you_make_it

One day you will not recognize the world around you. You will attract people with positive energy that will take you further. You are solid and untouchable.

Thomas
Thomas
May 5, 2020 7:31 AM
Reply to  Thomas

Your whole aspiration is no longer to “change the world” but to become a happy person. Your compass no longer freaks out. You now look at the world with ironic distance like a kindly theatre director looks at his actors on stage.

Thomas
Thomas
May 5, 2020 7:41 AM
Reply to  Thomas

You now know that people who devalue such statements with a “downvote” can’t be happy people. They are extremely lonely and unhappy. Energy thieves, psychovampires. They act just in accordance with their sick “views”. Helplessness, impuissance.

Everything we do affects ourselves. If we are weak, we strengthen the weak and weaken the strong. Health, strength, self-confidence, independence, such persons strongly perceive as a threat to their sick psychosphere.

Thomas
Thomas
May 5, 2020 7:45 AM
Reply to  Thomas

What does the oak tree care if a wild boar rubs up against it? What does the hill care if idiots ride it with sleds? The hill stays like the oak.

breweriana
breweriana
May 5, 2020 10:40 AM
Reply to  Thomas

‘Thomas’
or is it ‘Martin?’
Why are you spending so much time talking to yourself on a public forum?

Thomas
Thomas
May 5, 2020 10:53 AM
Reply to  breweriana

Thanks to your lack of self-reflection, you don’t notice that you and your weaklings are forcing a “conversation” on me. You better go brew your beer.

snuffleupagus
snuffleupagus
May 5, 2020 6:45 AM
Reply to  Thomas

piss off, troll.

Thomas
Thomas
May 5, 2020 8:03 AM
Reply to  snuffleupagus

Who asked you for your opinion?
The beta males who “upvote” you?

Your lack of a father has obviously led
to the snotty behaviour for which you
had gone to the hospital repeatedly…

Frank Speaker
Frank Speaker
May 5, 2020 8:34 AM
Reply to  Thomas

Come on Admin ffs, get rid of this deliberate trolling littering the thread by a person or bot posting a series of comments like this and probably upvoting themselves, exactly two per comment

Thomas
Thomas
May 5, 2020 8:38 AM
Reply to  Frank Speaker

Your typical “contribution to world wisdom”.

Thomas
Thomas
May 5, 2020 8:47 AM
Reply to  Frank Speaker

And stop shouting for your mommy like a little baby.
It makes men look weak and cowardly in the eyes of
those around them. (Provided they are grown men
and not children like you.)

Philippe
Philippe
May 5, 2020 11:27 AM
Reply to  Frank Speaker

I disagree. If Admin binned this idiot, some with an agenda would take it as ‘proof’ of censorship on this site. Since they have a ‘no censorship’ policy, except for inciting violence and other lunacies, such a course would be directly counter to that.

I would advocate Admin locking down Thomas’s threads (although it doesn’t seem to slow crispy down too much) as they are simply nonsense and probably wouldn’t pass the Turing test.

I just scroll past them, unread.

Thomas
Thomas
May 5, 2020 11:43 AM
Reply to  Philippe

Anudda of such cretinist attention whores (yawn)…

Thomas
Thomas
May 5, 2020 11:57 AM
Reply to  Philippe

(You’re on at least the definitive “proof” that the nut house is open for business again.)

Thomas
Thomas
May 5, 2020 12:00 PM
Reply to  Philippe

Did your medical attendant write the word “Turing” down for you?

George Mc
George Mc
May 5, 2020 11:31 AM
Reply to  Thomas

A bit of advice Thomas. Why don’t you get all your ideas sorted out into one big chunk and post them all in one entry together? At the moment, your separate entries remind me of that line from “Planes, Trains and Automobiles”:

…. when you’re telling these little stories? Here’s a good idea: have a point. It makes it so much more interesting for the listener!

Thomas
Thomas
May 5, 2020 12:05 PM
Reply to  George Mc

It is never the writers who are to blame for reading,
but the readers. Logic is once again not your strong
point, but who would have expected anything else?

My counterproposal: How about you
morons just keep your mouths shut?

Thomas
Thomas
May 5, 2020 12:12 PM
Reply to  George Mc

But since you are friendly, I would also like to answer you in the same way: It is very right not to have to write down every thought. But 1. there is no well-groomed and well-groomed audience, and 2. nobody reads long comments. We overlook such things. Short ones, however, do not escape attention. Unfortunately, one must almost say, because not everyone here has your IQ and your decent manners. It’s just my way of not wanting to wait too long until I have written a complete book. Besides, I always have to translate everything first, since foreign language skills are completely foreign to the contemporaries in your culture.

George Mc
George Mc
May 5, 2020 12:16 PM
Reply to  Thomas

nobody reads long comments. We overlook such things. Short ones, however, do not escape attention

They do if there are dozens of them piled up.

Thomas
Thomas
May 5, 2020 12:32 PM
Reply to  George Mc

Yeah, you’re right. I wouldn’t make a speech like that. For the first time here I meet a serious person who is actually interested in a factual stocktaking.

Thomas
Thomas
May 5, 2020 12:19 PM
Reply to  George Mc

In principle, what you say is completely correct, and I appreciate your unreserved manner. You have a mature personality at a much higher level of consciousness than most people here, and you know that very well. I am almost inclined to ask the opposite question: How do you survive this subterranean level in the long run? Someone like you must be either totally disgusted or bored?

But you don’t have to explain yourself here like nobody else, but it’s great that you don’t suffer from any “contact disorder”. You will always find people who like you because you are open with them. I think you have realized very well that my statements were aimed in the same direction.

Thomas
Thomas
May 5, 2020 12:24 PM
Reply to  George Mc

If you are interested in how to write well and understandably, you are at the right address with me. I could tell you some secrets, though, that you may not know yet. For someone like you, I would even take the trouble to write in a structured and thoughtful way. You have a valuable personality, because you will never be a follower, but always see the individual who may be harassed by a horde of idiots.

Thomas
Thomas
May 5, 2020 12:28 PM
Reply to  George Mc

But what speaks for your being is to understand the principle of resonance. You have proven to be a giant unlike all the dwarves here. Which, as I said, raises questions. Anyway, someone like you should go far in life.

SteveX
SteveX
May 5, 2020 5:40 AM

Excellent!

Regarding the collateral damage of a lockdown: I watched an interview with Robert Kennedy Jr. last night and this morning— all 02:13:45 of it. Now THERE’S a guy that oughtta be interviewed by the intrepid Señor Kirby!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QLi6ZrFp6vQ

Highly informative and steadily interesting all the way through, despite its length.

But to my point re. societal lockdown damage: RFK mentions a book and a year of publication, but without giving the full title or the author’s name. I’m not optimistic that I’ll find it, but poof and I think I’ve got it.

Employment and Unemployment, by Marie Jahoda. I haven’t ordered it yet, but if what Kennedy recalled off the top of his head is accurate — and he’s one sharp tack — we’re in for hell.

From my notes:

unemployment kills people

1982 book about employment

for every point in unemployment, 37,000 people die: 9,000 heart attacks, 900 suicides, etc., AND

3,300 people go to prison, 4,000 end up in mental institutions

the unemployment rate is going to increase by about 30 points?

You do the math.

Okay—

30 x 37,000 = 1,110,000 excess mortality
30 x 3300 = 99,000 excess imprisonment
30 x 4,000 = 120,000 excess institutionalization, i.e. mental disturbance

***

Applicable to the U. S. Adjust accordingly for the population of your own country. And that’s not even the whole picture.

Puck!

SteveX
SteveX
May 5, 2020 5:44 AM
Reply to  SteveX

Sorry to be the boor that replies to his own comment, but, in the above comment, I used the word excess rather— umm, casually? (Jus’ cut’n pasted from m’notes.)

Sasha
Sasha
May 5, 2020 5:00 AM

As it’s now evident that the vast bulk of deaths are in care homes, and that those residents are probably ALL recipients of a flu vaccine – the link must be analyzed NOW. A BMJ article states that those who receive the flu shot are at a greater risk by 500% of developing another respiratory infection, and it specifically mentions coronaviruses. No corporate media has showed any interest in this.

Sasha
Sasha
May 5, 2020 5:17 AM
Reply to  Sasha
Dungroanin
Dungroanin
May 5, 2020 9:16 AM
Reply to  Sasha

Sasha you devalue your otherwise reasonable point with pure hysterical nonsense.

1.the vast bulk of deaths are NOT in care homes in the UK it was about a QUARTER.

2. It’s not a BMJ article but a LETTER by a retired US paediatrician who is quoting some study where KIDS wete given a flu jab!!!

Why the fuck are children given flu jabs in the USA????

3. Yes a study should be done and it can be done in a matter of hours using data available – there may even be one done i’ll have look later.

4. A study and investigation definitely should be done on the quoted flu injections for minors – sounds almost criminal to me.

5. Otherwise a good attempt, thanks for highlighting that link. I hadn’t seen it anywhere yet either.

John Thomas
John Thomas
May 5, 2020 4:15 AM

Australia now has a state funded Radio and TV comedy channel. The ABC.

Thomas
Thomas
May 5, 2020 4:33 AM
Reply to  John Thomas

Normally programs for children are called “ABC”.
As long as they are not ABC weapons, even adult
playmates can shovel their castles in the sandbox.

May Hem
May Hem
May 5, 2020 6:18 AM
Reply to  John Thomas

woefully underfunded, full of propaganda in its foreign affairs reporting (obedient to washington’s line), dumbed down, down, down, more like a commercial station with jingles, promos and lots of cheap-budget quiz programs.

they’re getting it ready for rupert murdoch to buy it up cheap. then he can lower the standard even further.

Thomas
Thomas
May 5, 2020 3:38 AM

I’m not much in Amerian Vulture Culture (Alan Parsons). Who
is more exciting to you: German-American Matt Groening or
Jewish-American Matt Stone? Who transports which contents?

snuffleupagus
snuffleupagus
May 5, 2020 6:49 AM
Reply to  Thomas

what contents do you transport? and who pays you to do it?

Thomas
Thomas
May 5, 2020 8:05 AM
Reply to  snuffleupagus

Take you meds, fart.

Frank Speaker
Frank Speaker
May 5, 2020 8:36 AM
Reply to  Thomas

Stop polluting this site and upvoting yourself and better still fuck off.

Thomas
Thomas
May 5, 2020 8:57 AM
Reply to  Frank Speaker

Don’t get on other people’s nerves, but start sorting out your chaotic life.

Dungroanin
Dungroanin
May 5, 2020 9:20 AM
Reply to  Frank Speaker

When did Off-G allow upvoting oneself?

I just checked. It does.

Wtf???

Thomas
Thomas
May 5, 2020 9:37 AM
Reply to  Dungroanin

Only admins can check, but you’re not one.
(How stupid do you think your readers are.)

Thomas
Thomas
May 5, 2020 9:42 AM
Reply to  Thomas

I would rate 18 minus points as a sign of respect in this environment. https://off-guardian.org/2020/05/04/watch-perspectives-on-the-pandemic-6/#comment-164314

Gezzah Potts
Gezzah Potts
May 5, 2020 11:23 AM
Reply to  Dungroanin

Ages ago Dun. I did it once by mistake, and was quite surprised, but haven’t done it since, coz, er, it doesn’t sit right with me. East London? Nowhere near Dagenham I hope….!? Did you check out my friendly recommendation?
Enjoy your day if its sunny🌞

John
John
May 5, 2020 3:03 AM

V

Gezzah Potts
Gezzah Potts
May 5, 2020 2:52 AM

Thank you Dr Erikson and Dr Massihi for your eloquence, and your refusal to back down in the face of blatant smears from the paid presstitutes and the outright censorship from YouTube.
I wish there were more Doctors and Epidemiologists like you along with John Ioannidis, Knut Wittkowski and Sucharit Bhakdi speaking out.
Their humanity and deep concern for those who are going to suffer greatly from this massive overreaction is appreciated. Right now I couldn’t give a flying tinkers fig what their politics are or where they sit on the political spectrum.
The collateral damage for those who can least afford it will be absolutely horrendous. Millions will end up on the streets. Many will be bankrupted. And out of despair and hopelessness a lot of people will take their own lives.
That so called ‘left wing’ organisations, who allegedly defend the working class and poverty stricken, are fully supporting and echoing the Establishment narrative and policies that have decimated the working class is, frankly, disgusting.
Appreciate the continued coverage of Covid19, and these videos, and also giving these Doctors a voice.

snuffleupagus
snuffleupagus
May 5, 2020 6:53 AM
Reply to  Gezzah Potts

so called ‘left wing’ organisations, who allegedly defend the working class and poverty stricken, are fully supporting and echoing the Establishment narrative and policies that have decimated the working class is

perhaps it’s now time to draw some inferences about who these people are, what class they effectively belong to, and who pays their salaries.

or is this sort of commentary impermissible in this forum?

Thomas
Thomas
May 5, 2020 8:07 AM
Reply to  snuffleupagus

Shut a mug and don’t talk bullshit, illiterate.

Gezzah Potts
Gezzah Potts
May 6, 2020 9:15 AM
Reply to  snuffleupagus

Snuffle – am not getting notifications of replies on my email so didn’t realise you had done so. Only discovered your reply by accident.
Regards what you say – with respect, you have had your eyes open the last 2+ months, correct? You would’ve seen the 180° transformation of quite a number of ‘anti establishment’ alternative sites turn into establishment echo chambers.
That’s been one of the biggest shocks for me anyway.
Put it this way, I’ve completely wiped WSWS site, won’t look at them again and have been dumbfounded at their grotesque fear porn.
Others I’ve fully discarded are The Grayzone and Moon Of Alabama for example. Barely look at Caitlin Johnstone as well.
There’s very few sites I still trust now and look at: mainly OffG, Global Research, Wrong Kind Of Green, The Corbett Report, few blogs like Wrench In The Gears, Wild As The Wind, and Arby @Wordpress.
To paraphrase Charlotte Rouse, ‘alternative sites’ were either set up by the security state, or have been infiltrated and coopted, and others are controlled opposition.
You’re welcome to discuss any topic with me by the way. Its not like I have a job to go too or anything.

Richard Le Sarc
Richard Le Sarc
May 5, 2020 10:08 AM
Reply to  Gezzah Potts

Gezz, check out Yuri Deigin in medium, ‘Lab Made’ etc, from April, 23, concerning a specialised stretch of four amino acids has been inserted, creating a ‘ furin cleavage site’ that greatly increases the manner and the sites in which the virus can insert itself, making it more dangerous. Such insertions, creating chimaeric viruses, have been carried out for years, in China, in Wuhan, and in the USA, Japan and Holland. The first chimaeric coronavirus was created in Holland in 1999. It’s a long, jargon-laden, and frightening read.

Gezzah Potts
Gezzah Potts
May 6, 2020 8:48 AM

Hi Richard – for some odd reason am not getting notification of OffGuardian replies on my email which I always have before, so didn’t realise you’d replied. If you get this, can you let me know you did.
Just discovered 3-4 replies I didn’t know I had. Little Green Men? Or people in certain organisations, shall we say. I’m still getting emails from other sources.
Okay, will check out that Yuri Deigin article, thanks.
Watched an eye opening interview before with Dr Judy Mikovits called ‘Plandemic Documentary: The Hidden Agenda Behind Covid19’. On YouTube, but not for much longer, they’ll pull it off also. Had 755000 views when I looked a short time ago.
She pulls no punches, and names names, including Fauci.

DavidW
DavidW
May 6, 2020 9:01 PM
Reply to  Gezzah Potts

thanks for this Gezzah. This lady is the real thing.

Richard Le Sarc
Richard Le Sarc
May 8, 2020 10:33 AM
Reply to  Gezzah Potts

I find Peak Prosperity’s CoVid19 reports good, and Medcram for a more scientific-medical series. Both show how hydroxychloroquine works well, in early cases, and Peak Prosperity also the bizarre BigPharma/ABC/MSM campaign to lie about HCQ. It gets in the way of expensive crap like remdesivir, and the ‘vaccine’ which I, for one, will never voluntarily submit to.

Thomas
Thomas
May 5, 2020 2:37 AM

Who were they fighting? Were they just made fools of? Only time will tell. And this truth will not be very “heroic” but very painful. https://edition.cnn.com/2018/11/10/us/ww2-reunion-us-german-veterans/index.html

Thomas
Thomas
May 5, 2020 2:49 AM
Reply to  Thomas

Watch “Veteran returns wedding photos to family of German soldier he killed after 70 years” , “Königsberg The Drude-Maria Peppel Story” and “WWII enemies reunited in D-Day anniversary” on Youtube. Some of those stories. Montreal means Königsberg in French by the way. h**ps://www.ledger-enquirer.com/news/local/article206776914.html

Thomas
Thomas
May 5, 2020 3:27 AM
Reply to  Thomas

There is nothing left of Königsberg, but an American explains to us the mathematical problem of the Seven Bridges. https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/K%C3%B6nigsberger_Br%C3%BCckenproblem

Watch “The Seven Bridges of Königsberg – Numberphile”

Thomas
Thomas
May 5, 2020 3:48 AM
Reply to  Thomas

Mr Cliff Stoll has a German name). https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stoll

Playlist h**ps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-k3mVnRlQLU&list=PLt5AfwLFPxWJeBhzCJ_JXdaIXi_YJl7Bh

What is a Klein-Bottle? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Klein_bottle

Thomas
Thomas
May 5, 2020 3:51 AM
Reply to  Thomas

Nice story: German vs. German (KGB agent) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Cuckoo%27s_Egg

Thomas
Thomas
May 5, 2020 4:07 AM
Reply to  Thomas

Speaking of hackers: What has become of the German-Finnish Kim Dotcom? Wiki placed him in the German honorary rank of the Enz.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German_New_Zealanders

Will he never become a hero like Thomas Broich
in Australia or your Bert Trautmann in England?

Thomas
Thomas
May 5, 2020 4:13 AM
Reply to  Thomas

“Klopp is regarded by many as one of the best managers in the world.” Is he still in Liverpool (“Lieber Paul” McCartney, said Otto Waalkes)?

Thomas
Thomas
May 5, 2020 4:26 AM
Reply to  Thomas

Otto: “English for beginners”, only an East Frisian can be this funny. https://www.nytimes.com/2013/02/24/travel/in-northern-germany-a-robust-tea-culture.html

Unforgettable his fooling of German Edgar Wallace movies
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Films_based_on_works_by_Edgar_Wallace#German_adaptations;_the_Krimis

Episode 1 h**ps://www.dailymotion.com/video/x6pxgeh
Episode 12 h**ps://www.dailymotion.com/video/x6q7yby

Thomas
Thomas
May 5, 2020 4:42 AM
Reply to  Thomas

She was born in Montreal (Königsberg)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anke_Engelke
Watch Cher or Michael Jackson on “Rickys Popsofa”.

This German-Canadian claims that you can talk people easily into having a “false memory”. Can this also be achieved at the collective national level? I guess so! https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Julia_Shaw_(psychologist)

Thomas
Thomas
May 5, 2020 5:08 AM
Reply to  Thomas

“York has played drums for German entertainer and jazz musician Helge Schneider several times since 2004, both on Schneider’s recordings and on tour. York also acted in Schneider’s film Jazzclub.” https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pete_York

I also recommend the albums of Bo Hansson.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bo_Hansson

Thomas
Thomas
May 5, 2020 5:12 AM
Reply to  Thomas

English band, based in Hamburg. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lake_(German_band)

American who did some nice albums
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tony_Carey

Thomas
Thomas
May 5, 2020 5:17 AM
Reply to  Thomas

What’s more shitty, Dutch Bolland & Bolland,
or British Stock Aitken Waterman?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bolland_%26_Bolland
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stock_Aitken_Waterman

Thomas
Thomas
May 5, 2020 5:43 AM
Reply to  Thomas

The Brits have moved a long way from their roots. There are practically no barns in their landscape. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Farmhouses
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barn

Tony
Tony
May 5, 2020 1:53 PM
Reply to  Thomas

So now we know that there are currently at least seven 77th Brigade officers posting on/monitoring Off Guardian.

John
John
May 5, 2020 3:38 AM
Reply to  Thomas

The Banksters versus the Germans. Humanity lost.

Thomas
Thomas
May 5, 2020 3:42 AM
Reply to  John

Did you watched “Fabian the Goldsmith” and “How money works (English SubTitles)”?

Frank Speaker
Frank Speaker
May 5, 2020 8:42 AM
Reply to  Thomas

Admin, this is deliberately messing up the site by a 77th Brigade bot posting irrelevant links and comments. This is similar to the DDOS attacks to bring this site down, they failed, now they’re trying this tactic to litter the sight with comments and piss off the readers to drive them away.

Thomas
Thomas
May 5, 2020 9:07 AM
Reply to  Frank Speaker

This website is still not your mommy, it has its own opinion.
Apart from stupid “remarks”, you have nothing of your own
to contribute so far. You think your environment is so stupid
that it doesn’t notice it. You attach great importance to make
a worldwide certified fool of yourself. Your problem, not ours.

Dungroanin
Dungroanin
May 5, 2020 9:28 AM
Reply to  Frank Speaker

Don’t let it get to you Frank.

Remember – don’t wish upon others what you don’t want to happen to you.

Whoever Thomas is – he has a right to comment – calling for censorship is a very slippery slope.

Thomas
Thomas
May 5, 2020 9:39 AM
Reply to  Dungroanin

Thx, finally an adult statement.

JudyJ
JudyJ
May 5, 2020 11:31 AM
Reply to  Dungroanin

Whoever Thomas is….

Previously posted equally as disruptively on other recent discussion threads using the name @Martin. I agree entirely with Frank Speaker that ‘he’ and his team of voters are definitely not legit. Why would anyone with anything legitimate to say post multiple short obscure comments in sequence barely minutes apart throughout a discussion thread, rather than one lengthy post saying all they wish to say? It is clearly being done for the reasons suggested by FS. Deliberately done to disrupt and detract. No other purpose.

Mike Ellwood
Mike Ellwood
May 5, 2020 11:38 AM
Reply to  Frank Speaker

He’s probably best just ignored.

Thomas
Thomas
May 5, 2020 1:51 AM

Mr Erickson (son of Eric/Erich) has still red hair. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Erik_the_Red

Wake up World
Wake up World
May 5, 2020 12:54 AM

Can anyone explain how these ‘scientists ‘ are able to calculate the R number they keep going on about…..they have no idea how many false positive and negative test results, no idea how many asymptomatic carriers, we have no idea how many people have been diagnosed on symptoms alone which are exactly the same as other Coronaviruses, until now they have no contact and trace so they’ve no idea who an infected person has been in contact with …..that would suggest to me they have absolutely no reliable data.
Sounds like science fiction to me

Calamity Jane
Calamity Jane
May 5, 2020 2:25 AM
Reply to  Wake up World

They actually don’t know if a new disease exists( ” COVID19″ is the same symptoms as influenza , other respiratory diseases COPD) .
Is it controlled opposition fiction ?
A half spoonful of sugar to swallow lies “medicine and the govts are are doing the wrong thing” to swallow the unsupported existence of a fake new disease and ” new deadly virus” ?
They are implying the tests themselves are not utterly misleading.
And they are meaningless.Both PCR and antibody tests.

Nothing but the truth thanks.

DAVID
DAVID
May 5, 2020 5:25 AM
Reply to  Wake up World

It’s called moving the goalposts. Until we start to rise up they will do this as they always do without a doubt overreach. I just listened to toa podcast. Something resonated with me. The world was/is in a process of awakening, the dark forces of the world are terrified of that.

I still think Bill Gates is a frontman and will be disposed of if this whole agenda fails. However, as a little study into just how dark these people are. Look at how he reacts to those who are free thinkers and want to move to the light, and then his enthusiastic reaction to those who are suffering. This is the type of people who still want to believe they control all 7 billion of us. This whole plandemic will wake so many people up. I’m already seeing a drop in comments supporting these people.

My belief is they are very very scared, hence the 24-hour fear porn. The only problem is, even the most normie of people will see through this eventually. I have faith in us all.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dNiuaKKEPu8

Jean Wilson
Jean Wilson
May 5, 2020 6:27 AM
Reply to  DAVID

thanks david, for your optimism. i’m wondering what would be worse, a digital dictatorship or a complete breakdown of society.

if the latter, at least it will destroy bill & chums plans for their ‘fourth industrial revolution’. with widespread collapse, there will be no power supply, or intermittent power supplies at best. so, no power = no 5G satellite network or transmission = no digital dictatorship.

there will probably be a bit of both of these nightmare scenarios. i’m glad i’m old and i feel compassion for younger people and for wildlife (or what is left of it), who will be left with the mess we have made of this precious earth.

aspnaz
aspnaz
May 5, 2020 12:54 AM

You tube banning the interview is very interesting because it conveys to their naive political supporters, and others, that even doctors can be bad. Of course, what the doctors say cannot be debunked by you tube because they are simply recounting what they have seen and, in summary, say that what they have seen does not justify lock down. That was the mistake, they stood on the toes of the politicians and wealthy folk who have a vested interest in lock down. But what is interesting is that people will believe you tube rather than a couple of ER doctors. Wow! Things are worse than I thought.

The people I have discussed this with all say “The doctors appear to have an agenda”, and I can see how they would have that point of view, but I believe the reason for thinking that is that lock down is such a politically controversial policy that the mainstream has been driving people to distrust anybody who questions lock down. Them questioning the lock down puts them in agenda territory. I very much doubt that the doctors have any agenda other than to say what they see, but with so much money depending on this lockdown, you never know and the powers that be wan’t you to think “you never know”. It is part of their campaign to breed distrust in society so that only the government and the likes of Google and Bill Gates can be trusted.

Questioning lock down puts you into Fox News territory where Murdoch will sheepdog you and influence you to not step too far out of line. Fox News is re-education camp, designed to push you back into the mainstream or at least manage you while pandering to a carefully selected handful of your conspiracy theories. When they fail you slip into QAnon and other sites I have only heard about, but never fear, the powers that be influence all of them to a greater or lesser extent.

Dungroanin
Dungroanin
May 5, 2020 9:37 AM
Reply to  aspnaz

Dr Mengele was very very very bad.

Dr Shipman was very very bad (he foreshadowedthe CV euthanasia of the elderly coincidentally)

Dr Wakefield was very bad and caused the return of diseases into our populations.

There is an endless list of very bad doctors – mutilating patients, sexually abusing patients including children, prescribing bad medication for rewards from pharma co’s

And making money and profits from their MD titles for a cushy life.

VERY BAD indeed.

There are also just doctors who are bad and shouldn’t have taken uo medicine as a career.

Richard Le Sarc
Richard Le Sarc
May 8, 2020 10:36 AM
Reply to  Dungroanin

Wakefield was framed, mercilessly, for getting in BigPharma and the medical Establishment’s way.

JudyJ
JudyJ
May 5, 2020 11:43 AM
Reply to  aspnaz

I very much doubt that the doctors have an agenda

I agree. They would not be stupid enough to not realise that if their widely shared conclusions were intended simply to get their business back to capacity, and were subsequently found to be wildly inaccurate and ill-founded, they would not only lose all credibility as professional physicians but they would be committing professional suicide.

Charlotte Russe
Charlotte Russe
May 5, 2020 12:49 AM

SIDE EFFECTS

Erickson and Massihi provide a commonsense analysis, something which is sorely missing in most mainstream media news outlets. The California doctors cite a few points worth discussing further, firstly testing isolates a “moment in time.” One test does not tell you anything except the results of that one test. And as we are finding out the COVID-19 tests have proven to be unreliable.

Secondly, Erickson and Massihi say they were accused of financially exploiting COVID-19. The only scumbags who exploited COVID-19 were Hedge funds, Wall Street, the big banks and the usual vultures like Warren Buffett, and BlackRock who will swallow-up huge swaths of foreclosed real estate and small businesses. And let’s not forget, Amazon and the large drugstore chains like CVS, Walgreen, Rite Aid, and Walmart, etc….These stores are making a fortune while millions of small businesses are going under. In fact, some say COVID-19 veiled an impending financial collapse giving the justification to transfer trillions in QE to Wall Street and the banks.

Thirdly, the psychological impact of COVID-19 is obvious. It’s alienated millions and heightened the sense of anomie already highly present throughout US culture. In sociological terms anomie refers to a feeling of disconnection from society. In other words, it’s a sense of not belonging or not being meaningfully connected to others. All these emotions were intensified, especially when you have a masked population. People are turning away from each other in fear of catching a disease, while others remain isolated panic ridden and phobic. Some people are so frightened it will take them years to recover. I’m sure some therapists are thinking about specializing in COVID-19 PTSD. I bet thousands have developed agoraphobia, and will never leave their homes again.

And lastly, the shutdowns were arbitrary– big box stores were permitted to stay open while small business, except for liquor stores were told to shutdown. I guess getting drunk is essential during a lockdown. No wonder, more women are getting battered and more children abused. The stress of being unemployed or losing a business is triggering physical rage in families sheltering in place.

It’s only logical, the level of contagion is higher in densely populated cities where millions travel on a mass subway system, however, this is not the case in rural or less populated towns but no distinction was made. Outdoor activities were foolishly terminated. You don’t have to be a virologist to know that sunshine, fresh air, and exercise builds your immunity. The ineptness of simple-minded corrupt politicians devastated the lives of millions who will be crushed long after COVID-19 fades away.

WHO CARES WHAT THE IMMORAL THINK

My only point of contention with Erickson and Massihi is in the way they expressed sickening reverence for billionaire techies like Musk and Gates. Being lucky in business does not make one an expert on world health issues, nor should it make someone a vaccine guru. Huge fortunes are secured by exploiting thousands. So who cares what the immoral think. Great fortunes like those possessed by Gates, Musk
and Bezos is grotesque, especially considering that half of the US population does not have $400.00 for an unexpected emergency. Most emerging after the COVID-19 lockdowns won’t even have two cents…….

Calamity Jane
Calamity Jane
May 5, 2020 2:31 AM

If they were totally common sensed as DRs they would question the existence of ” COVID19″ deadly new disease with exactly the same symptoms of Influenza and COPD in flue season.
They may even question why as drs they are not testing for other seasonal respiratory diseases excluding all known in favor for alleged “COVID19” the new WMD.

JudyJ
JudyJ
May 5, 2020 11:46 AM
Reply to  Calamity Jane

To be fair to them, they may have felt that there was only so much that they could overtly question before being ‘run out of town’!

Gezzah Potts
Gezzah Potts
May 5, 2020 3:10 AM

Again, appreciate your comment Charlotte.
I’ve heard that domestic violence and abuse has increased dramatically since the lockdowns began.
The whole system is grotesque.
Anti human and anti environment. And we could both fill up an entire lengthy thread with examples.
I’ll be lucky to have $10 left when (or even if) I get back to work. Many will end up on the streets.
Just spoke to my street magazine organisation before. Because we are ‘most at risk’ by being out selling the mags, we won’t be starting back straight away, even if the Australian Govt gives the all clear.
Yet, as you point out, the big stores like Walmart and Target are open. Same here in Australia. They’re dealing with customers also!

May Hem
May Hem
May 5, 2020 6:40 AM
Reply to  Gezzah Potts

and we’re repeatedly told “we’re all in this together” and repeatedly told to stay apart in our UNsocial distancing. flatten the curve, tighten your belt, and look the other way.

or (if you’ve seen the famous robot scene) “drink up your milk. drink it”.

Philippe
Philippe
May 5, 2020 8:35 AM

Agree with everything you wrote, except your comment about their treatment of Gates et al.

I thought that was very clever. Who can now accuse them of having an anti-Gates agenda? I’m sure they didn’t believe a word of the praise they heaped on him. It seemed they deliberately overdid it to preclude accusations of ‘conspiracy ‘ and focus the debate where it should be. By giving the low ground, they keep the high ground.

After what happened to their last video, they will be very aware that any excuse will be used to attack them. Those excuses must be minimised to increase the chances of their message getting out.

JudyJ
JudyJ
May 5, 2020 12:06 PM
Reply to  Philippe

I agree, Philippe.

I hadn’t yet read this comment of yours when I replied to @Calamity Jane above but, whilst I didn’t go into any detail in my reply, I was implicitly meaning that anything critical said by them beyond the immediate ‘science’ could very readily be used against them with little excuse.

I have only viewed part of this second lengthy interview but they touched on dangerous ground (from their professional perspective) in the first one when they said that when the government tells people that they will keep them ‘safe’ they mean ‘under control’, and when they said that there was something odd going on regarding pressing doctors to specify Covid19 as the cause of death when it clearly wasn’t. For those comments alone I am sure that they have come under significant pressure to ‘button it’.

Philippe
Philippe
May 5, 2020 2:18 PM
Reply to  JudyJ

I agree re the comments they made in their first video. Such comments were conspicuous by their absence in this one.

They did say that the first press conference was intended for people in their local area. Perhaps, had they known it would go global, they might have been a bit more circumspect.

Maybe they felt they had to go overboard in the other direction this time to ‘insure’ themselves because one does not go from equating safety to government control, to praising Bill Gates, without a strong sense of irony and tongue firmly in cheek 😏

Moneycircus
Moneycircus
May 5, 2020 12:47 AM

Doctor threatened with prison for seeing patient with non essential condition @10:25 https://youtu.be/3f0VRtY9oTs?t=626

Philippe
Philippe
May 5, 2020 8:38 AM
Reply to  Moneycircus

My jaw also hit the floor at that point!

If true, I have no words for that.

Bruce
Bruce
May 5, 2020 12:26 AM

What pandemic?

Thomas
Thomas
May 5, 2020 12:38 AM
Reply to  Bruce

This question is inadmissible.

Reg
Reg
May 5, 2020 1:06 AM
Reply to  Bruce

Exactly. They’ve changed the definition of the word.

Thomas
Thomas
May 5, 2020 1:19 AM
Reply to  Reg

They have generally forbidden the question “Why actually?”

Dave
Dave
May 5, 2020 12:05 AM

Be wary of bitchute https://www.dailydot.com/upstream/bitchute-decentralization-claims/
Check out lbry.com it has most if not all the videos being deleted off YouTube.
The content is stored on other users machines and distributed like torrents.

Dave
Dave
May 5, 2020 12:07 AM
Reply to  Dave
bob
bob
May 5, 2020 12:00 AM

and while we are still reading the ‘app’ is ready for downloading on Thursday for the Isle of Wight and the rest of the country by mid-May – all nice and innocent like …..

John Pretty
John Pretty
May 5, 2020 12:19 AM
Reply to  bob

Well, I’m not downloading it.

Cheezilla
Cheezilla
May 5, 2020 12:34 PM
Reply to  bob

Last night’s Newsnight asked some very uncomfortable questions about the handling of the UK data vs how it’s already used in other countries. The answers were extremely worrying.

Alpine Observer
Alpine Observer
May 4, 2020 11:43 PM

It’s time to laugh at the madness and hypocrisy of lockdown, some very funny and spot-on sketches especially concerning the over zealous Lockdown Police.

Alpine Observer
Alpine Observer
May 4, 2020 11:43 PM
Thomas
Thomas
May 4, 2020 11:59 PM

Offer something from your region, even if the majority
here has no idea of anything except the simplified mother
tongue with a maximum of five words per sentence.

Frank Speaker
Frank Speaker
May 5, 2020 10:13 PM
Reply to  Thomas

tongue with a maximum of five words per sentence

I’ll do even better and offer you just 2 words…

F*** O**

George Mc
George Mc
May 4, 2020 11:38 PM

And more and more and more:

From the Daily Kos:

Dr. Dan Erickson and Dr. Artin Massihi Push Latest Right Wing Lies on Covid-19 deaths

On Masslive.com:

Experts say Drs. Dan Erickson and Artin Massihi’s coronavirus musings on viral video, comparing it to the flu, were ‘reckless’

“Experts” say!

From the Daily Beast:

The Newest Fox News Doctor Duo Has Been ‘Emphatically’ Condemned by Physician Groups
SERIOUSLY, WHAT’S UP DOCS??

Dan Erickson and Artin Massihi are making some wild claims about coronavirus fatality rates. It’s made them media stars. But actual doctors are appalled.

Got that? ACTUAL doctors are appalled!

Gezzah Potts
Gezzah Potts
May 5, 2020 3:20 AM
Reply to  George Mc

Daily Kos? Is that the decrepit mouthpiece for the debauched Democrats?
The ‘media’ have shown all of us how morally and ethically bankrupt they are.
I really don’t think they can sink much lower.

Maxwell
Maxwell
May 4, 2020 11:17 PM

Covid-19 is just a name given. What we have is a seasonal virus and not even a particularly virulent one.

Combine that with media hysteria and political/financial aims.

To the point of being beyond statistically insignificant no healthy people are impacted by Covid-19- only those who were already in very poor health are severely impacted by this virus are impacted. And the vast majority of those are the elderly. And an extraordinary percentage of those elderly exist in squalid living situations and are victims of neglect.

That is not a global pandemic that is a social problem.

If it were a severe virus of the magnitude that the fear mongers are hyping we would be seeing at least a fair bloc of young and healthy people dying. We are not.

jay
jay
May 4, 2020 11:21 PM
Reply to  Maxwell

But the government care, look how 30000 old freeze to death every year…

Dennis
Dennis
May 5, 2020 12:39 AM
Reply to  Maxwell

Agreed, so it’s either a global IQ failure (highly likely) or just as likely, global economic collapse (which was happening anyway) with CV as the proverbial whipping boy.

Kathy
Kathy
May 4, 2020 11:14 PM

This is a very sobering account from American nurse.

Kalen
Kalen
May 5, 2020 12:38 AM
Reply to  Kathy

In Italy 50% on ventilators died. Newsweek says 90% in ICU on ventilators died in NY.

https://www.newsweek.com/nearly-90-percent-coronavirus-patients-put-ventilators-new-yorks-largest-health-system-died-1499845

It is utter failure of public heaths system turned straight murderous enterprise under guise of COVID hysteria.

Ted
Ted
May 5, 2020 2:51 AM
Reply to  Kalen

And the irony being how the workers in this f’d up “care” system are so lionized by the non stop MSM propaganda.

Shaking My Head
Shaking My Head
May 5, 2020 2:00 AM
Reply to  Kathy
S Cooper
S Cooper
May 5, 2020 3:50 AM
Reply to  Kathy

Thank you for posting this. In the future most definitely will not let anyone put me on a ventilator and will steer clear of NYC hospital.

It is almost as if they enjoyed killing patients. Josef Mengele move over.

JudyJ
JudyJ
May 5, 2020 12:40 PM
Reply to  Kathy

Absolutely shocking, but endorsing what some of us have long suspected. As she says “But what I don’t get is that they [other nursing staff] are all ok with it. Am I the only one who isn’t a sociopath?”

Livingsb
Livingsb
May 4, 2020 11:09 PM

I go out and about as little as possible, not due to fear(far from it) but because of the rampant and willing subordination that I see all around me. It makes me almost unbearably agitated. More people are now wearing masks than a month ago! I’ll bet you good money that most are reusing the masks many times, so they carry 100 times the germs in that dirty piece of mouth cloth as a non mask person. Should I wear a cap for fear of lice? How about goggles for fear of conjunctivitis? I really think the average person is too much of a cake eater for us to have any hope in this struggle. The elites have huge estates and millions of acres and private yachts and private jets with servants galore. They are unaffected by this. Meanwhile, the average citizen is being royalty fucked and THEY SEEM TO BE ENJOYING IT or at least tolerating it with little questioning. Steve Martin had a comedy skit years ago called 10 things I believe. One of the things was that “robots were stealing his luggage”. I agree.

jack(jim)
jack(jim)
May 4, 2020 11:30 PM
Reply to  Livingsb

Many people hate their jobs and will be happy with the shut-down of the economy to continue.

livingsb
livingsb
May 5, 2020 1:02 AM
Reply to  jack(jim)

’tis true.

John
John
May 5, 2020 3:00 AM
Reply to  jack(jim)

And what do they eat?

Tom
Tom
May 5, 2020 7:49 AM
Reply to  John

They get lucky with this lockdown because they are now free from having to travel to the office or meet face to face with bosses, and yet I’m willing to bet these people still have an income from their companies, maybe even 100% of it. That’s the key. I know of a few people who absolutely hate their jobs, they post statuses on FB and WhatsApp complaining every now and then, and now what they post are pictures of meals they prepared at home. I don’t think they’d be in the mood to post food photos if they’re now about to suffer financially. There’d be no food to show.

If the Zoom meeting was a little stressful, the boss gave them an earful, they could go straight to bed and lie down for a while.

Can’t do that in the office can you?

JudyJ
JudyJ
May 5, 2020 12:52 PM
Reply to  jack(jim)

Quite…until payback time comes of course. But most people aren’t even aware that their employers and the government liberally handing out money will expect to get all their ‘investment’ back plus interest from the very same people who are now luxuriating in complacency.

Mike Ellwood
Mike Ellwood
May 5, 2020 1:40 AM
Reply to  Livingsb

I live in a smallish town in the UK, and most people have not been wearing masks. Some staff in supermarkets wear perspex all-around visors, and most wear gloves, and I find this perfectly reasonable. They are coming into contact with a large number of strangers every day.

However, today, I noticed a woman supermarket customer in a well-made and expensive looking all-around visor, and what looked like a good quality mask underneath; and gloves of course. It seemed rather OTT, but she did look rather elderly, and may have felt vulnerable, so I suppose being dressed like that made her feel better.

JR Ewing
JR Ewing
May 5, 2020 1:58 AM
Reply to  Mike Ellwood

Are you sure you are at the right web site?

JR Ewing
JR Ewing
May 5, 2020 1:57 AM
Reply to  Livingsb

I hear you loud and clear. It’s the absolute and total stupidity of people generally that is getting to me. Badly. I can’t tolerate it. I want to scream “wake up you fucking morons!!” It’s like Invasion of the Body Snatchers

Sam - Admin2
Admin
Sam - Admin2
May 5, 2020 3:16 AM
Reply to  JR Ewing

Thank you for articulating this in exactly the way I have been to my family!! That famous ending with Donald Sutherland and Veronica Cartwright = me, bounding up to a trusted friend/loved-one/associate for a dose of much-needed sanity, only to witness the mouth open wide, and the scream issue forth…. They aren’t in there anymore. Where did they go?

Creeped me the fuck out. It’s easing off though.

S Cooper
S Cooper
May 5, 2020 4:35 AM
Reply to  JR Ewing

You think that is bad. Had to listen for 30 minutes yesterday to some moron in the post office who was babbling off about the “viri” dripping off the ceiling. It was quite excruciating. “Too stupid to live” does not justice to this guy.

livingsb
livingsb
May 5, 2020 5:21 AM
Reply to  JR Ewing

It really is an excrutiating combination of “Invasion of the BS” and “They Live”.

Philippe
Philippe
May 5, 2020 8:43 AM
Reply to  livingsb

Saw what you did there 😁

Invasion of the BS is about right.

IANA
IANA
May 5, 2020 9:07 AM
Reply to  Livingsb

I have been the same only to add that when I do venture for a walk the country side where I live is full of people ‘social distancing’ – we even had to queue while a set of walkers navigated a stretch of path that could easily contain 2 way traffic but for the fact they would be within the 2 m allotted distance. I would have expected better. People who go out walking down bridleways surely by implication don’t care about social distancing but I have found its become a virtue signalling opportunity and they must signal to everyone else what good little social distancers they are. I find it frustrating behaviour.

Mark Seeley
Mark Seeley
May 5, 2020 10:31 AM
Reply to  Livingsb

Thomas
Thomas
May 4, 2020 10:57 PM

Calm down. My aesthetics would also discourage people with
patchy beard growth from looking like a lion on his scrotum.

Novicurious
Novicurious
May 4, 2020 10:53 PM

Where are the uk protests? When are people going to wake up and smell the dog shit? Not before it’s too late, I hope.

https://youtu.be/2cmPhUAXsU0

John
John
May 5, 2020 3:02 AM
Reply to  Novicurious

They will wake up when all the pubs are closed permanently and when their dole cheque only buys half the food it used to. Not before then.

George Mc
George Mc
May 4, 2020 10:49 PM

The bit where the doctors talk about co-morbidities being ignored is especially relevant today when Stranglers keyboard player Dave Greenfield has died and has followed Tim Brooke Taylor and Eddie Large in being automatically entered as another COVID statistic.

MoH
MoH
May 4, 2020 10:57 PM
Reply to  George Mc

I am gutted about Dave Greenfield. I loved the Stranglers and so glad I got to see them albeit without Hugh Cornwell.

Its an absolute insult to say he died of CV 19 and more worthy of derision when their lies and crimes grow by the day.

LisaLane
LisaLane
May 4, 2020 11:15 PM
Reply to  MoH

I first saw them 1977 at Glasgow Apollo. I went back to see them same venue in 78 when 300 fans crashed the stage. I went straight for Dave and he sheltered me behind his keyboards while the bouncers and punks fought it out. When it had all calmed down he dropped me back into the stalls and the show carried on. I saw them for the 3rd time at Loch Lomond Rock festival in 79. Always my fav band RIP Dave.