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We now know far more about Covid19 – the Lockdown should end

Gavin Phillips

This is the largest interference with personal liberty in our history”
Lord Sumption

Virtually overnight our world has turned into a wasteland of closed towns, deserted streets and a few people scuttling along with masks and stricken faces. It’s a place bereft of imagination, the light sucked out; a padded cell in Psych Ward B.

The so-called new normal is anything but normal. On March 23rd, when Boris Johnson declared a lockdown in the UK, it was a beyond surreal moment for me. With no debate, our freedoms, social life and jobs were gone.

The reasons given for the lockdown were to try and save lives, slow the spread of this virus and limit the impact on the NHS. It sounds good until you start to pose searching questions. Confining people to their homes and a complete loss of social life comes with its own set of serious problems. Focusing on Covid-19 means other people needing operations are postponed for months.

We had heard about other so-called Pandemics that had turned out to be nothing of the sort, Swine flu being one example. What was different about Covid-19? Johnson had seemed to be going the way of putting in some mitigation recommendations, like social distancing, hand washing and isolating of the elderly. Then he changed his mind.

The reason were the numbers of possible deaths that could occur if a full lockdown was not implemented. The numbers came from a Prof Neil Ferguson of Imperial College, London.

Ferguson had told the government that according to his computer model, over 500,000 people would die in the UK if they did nothing, 250,000 people would die if he continued with lesser mitigation in place, but allowing businesses to stay open as usual. With a full lockdown, deaths would be 20,000 or less, and the impact to the NHS would be kept to a minimum.

What immediately struck me was that Ferguson’s computer model is just that, it’s an estimate based on certain data. His projections could be totally wrong, we’ve all heard the expression, garbage in, garbage out. Why on earth would Johnson decide to implement such drastic measures based on a theoretical computer model?

It was also disturbing to find out that Ferguson has a lot of form for making highly exaggerated claims with his computer models.

In the 2001 foot and mouth epidemic millions of cows and other livestock were killed and burned based on his models. But Professor Michael Thrusfield, an expert in animal diseases, said Ferguson’s models were ‘not fit for purpose’ (2006) and ‘seriously flawed’ (2012).

The 2009 Swine Flu outbreak turned out to be one of the most overhyped non pandemics in the history of medicine. Ferguson got that one wrong as well, saying it would probably kill 65,000 people in the UK, but in fact 457 people died.

I looked for other expert opinions. One of the world’s top Epidemiologists is Sweden’s Dr. [Professor] Johan Giesecke. Sweden is one of a few countries who went with a different approach to the virus.

Giesecke and his medical team recommended that the elderly and sick should isolate themselves. They recommended social distancing. But restaurants, coffee shops and most businesses would be open as usual.

In an interview on April 16th with Freddie Sayers of Unherd TV, Giesecke explained the reasoning behind Sweden’s approach:

Q. Is it correct to call it herd immunity and is that the Swedish strategy?

Giesecke: It’s not the strategy, but it’s a by-product of the strategy. The strategy is to protect the old and the frail, try to minimize their risk of becoming infected and taking care of them if they get infected. If you do that the way we’re doing it, you would probably get herd immunity in the end, but that’s a by-product, its not the main reason to do it.

Q. What was your impression of that (Ferguson’s) paper?

Giesecke: I think it’s not very good… it rests on the assumptions, and the assumptions in that article have been heavily criticised… The paper was never published scientifically, it’s not peer reviewed, which a scientific paper should be. It’s just an internal departmental report from Imperial.

Q. It’s your impression that it was overly pessimistic?

Giesecke:Yes, oh yes, very much so.

Sweden has also helped us in another unforeseen way, by putting Ferguson’s computer model to a real-world test. Ferguson had predicted that with lighter mitigation measures in place, the same as Sweden, the UK would see 250,000 dead. Sweden has a population of just over 10 million, 1/6th that of the UK.

So according to Ferguson, Sweden’s death rate should be going through the roof right now, at around 35,000+, but its 3,175 as of May 8th. The one thing you can say about Ferguson is this, he stays true to his form.

[A Swedish research group from the University of Upsalla actually applied the Imperial Model to Sweden, and found it predicted 40,000 deaths “shortly after May 1st, you can read about that here. – Ed.]

Do we actually know how many people are dying of Covid-19?

Every day the media blasts us with the numbers of people who have died from Covid-19, but it’s very misleading. Journalist Peter Hitchens was one of the first professionals to pose serious questions about whether the lockdown was the right path, and also to question how COVID-19 deaths were being recorded.

Both in the UK and the USA, it has been openly admitted by health officials that anyone dying *with* COVID-19, is being categorized as having died *of* it. Its crucially important that we understand the difference. The fact is that at least 90% of the deaths from COVID-19 are for patients who were already suffering with other serious illnesses. So, if someone dies of a heart attack and they test positive for Covid-19, that is counted as a Covid-19 death.

Let’s look at this in another way. Every year in the UK people die from Flu. The 2014/15 was one of the worst flu years, killing 44,000 people in the UK. Once again though, the vast majority of them had other serious health issues. We had another bad flu year in 2018 with a different strain, named ‘Aussie’ Flu.

This raises other important questions about the accuracy of the reported COVID-19 deaths. Did anyone die of regular Flu during March/April 2020? Or is everyone who had flu like symptoms and died, being counted as dying with COVID-19? Pneumonia is more serious than flu; once again, are all pneumonia related deaths being lumped in with COVID-19 deaths?

This puts the Covid-19 deaths, and how dangerous it is, into a much clearer perspective. It looks like Covid-19 is no deadlier than a bad flu year. This is an opinion shared by several top epidemiologists and other experts, like Dr Sucharit Bhakdi, a specialist in microbiology, who used to work at the Johannes Gutenberg University in Mainz, Germany, Dr John Ioannidis Professor of Medicine, of Health Research and Policy and of Biomedical Data Science, at Stanford University School. (see OffGuardian here and here)

Doctors in the US are also seeing this skewing of Covid related deaths.

Dr. Dan Erickson said in a recent interview:

What’s interesting to me to is, when someone dies in this country right now they’re not talking about the high blood pressure, the diabetes, the stroke. They say did they die from COVID. We’ve been to hundreds of autopsies. You don’t talk about one thing, you talk about co-morbidities… COVID was part of it, it’s not the reason they died folks.

Also, Dr. John A Lee, a retired professor of pathology and NHS consultant pathologist, has written some excellent articles for The Spectator. Dr. Lee has raised similar concerns about how we are defining the amount of people actually dying
of Covid-19.

He also questions the lack of science behind the Lockdown, saying in an interview for Spiked on April 17,

It is only an assumption that the lockdown is having a big effect on the virus spread, but this is not a known scientific fact. As far as I can see, Sweden, despite not having anywhere near as severe a lockdown as we have had, actually has a very similar curve to ours. And Sweden’s death rate per hundred thousand people is roughly half of ours at the moment.”

We cannot even trust that the number of Covid19 deaths that are reported daily as actually having died in the previous 24-hrs. There could be a lag of several weeks in the reporting.

A recent OffGuardian article covers this. In one example for April 10th, it was reported that 980 people had died from Covid19.

But in reality, there had been just 117 “Covid19 related deaths”, with about 90 additional deaths in Wales, Scotland and Northern Ireland, for a total of 204. The other 776 had died sometime between March 5th and April 8th.

Deaths and serious social issues because of the Lockdown

An article in the Telegraph on April 9th by Fraser Nelson said that ministers were becoming concerned about the number of people who would die because of the Lockdown, early estimates put it around 150,000. Another article referred to the massive drop in A&E patients, quote, a 29 per cent year-on-year drop in A&E use, including a 50 per cent drop in heart attack attendances.

People who are having heart attacks are either too afraid to go to A&E because they think they might catch Covid-19, or think it’s overloaded with Covid-19 patients. The list is long for seriously ill people who have been side-lined by the total focus of the NHS on Covid-19.

All surgeries, except life-threatening, have been postponed. Most cancer treatments have been postponed, dialysis disrupted or put off. Domestic abuse is up 30% to 50%, suicides, divorces, bankruptcies, the list is very long.

There are 100’s of NHS medical centres around the UK. Most of them are not seeing patients. Where do the sick people go to see a doctor?

I think the psychological damage to millions of people, forced into isolation for weeks and months, will only be fully understood in the next 12 to 18 months.

Freedoms stripped and unprecedented Police Powers: We now have a Police State light

Literally overnight our freedoms have been removed. You are only allowed to go out for one form of exercise a day or to buy food or prescriptions. You are encouraged not to go to work, supposedly only key workers (identified by the government) are supposed to work.

For the first time in our history, every person can be randomly stopped by Police to see if their journey is considered necessary.

Sunbathing, sitting on a park bench, groups of 3 or more can be questioned and possibly fined. Car trips longer than a few miles to go for exercise can be considered unnecessary, after all, you can simply get exercise walking around your block of flats, right?

On Twitter there are many videos showing Police overreach. In one video, a family with some children were sitting in a communal grass area by their block of flats. The Police came to fine them for sitting in that area.

The damage the Police have done to their own reputation within their communities will be felt in the coming months and years.

Absurd rules that make no sense

We are all supposed to be social distancing, staying 2 metres apart, but people can cram onto packed subway trains. Plumbers, electricians and other contractors can come to your home and make repairs, but we cannot visit family or friends who are not in our household. It’s not only blatant stupidity, it also affects us emotionally, being distant from loved ones for months.

Now we are forced to stand in queues to pick up the most menial of items at supermarkets. Walking around a supermarket is like trying to work an obstacle course, as you dodge people to try to keep the social distancing rule. People treat you as if you may have the Bubonic Plague and often cross the street to avoid you.

Park benches have red tape around them to stop people from sitting on them. It’s virtually impossible for a virus to be spread from a park bench with sunlight and rain on it daily. Viruses do not survive outside in warmer weather, but still the madness continues.

Yellow Journalism

Yellow Journalism is a label for newspapers that print cheap sensationalized headlines to get more sales, instead of well researched investigative pieces, that is the hallmark of real journalism.

Leading up to the occurrence of Covid-19 and onwards, the press in the UK have strived to make Yellow Journalism their raison d’etre. They have stoked up the public’s hysteria to manic levels with the worst gutter non-journalism I have ever seen.

It was a race to the bottom of tabloid trash, each paper trying to outdo the other with hyped up headlines, while whipping the public into a frenzy. All of them predicting a virtual armageddon, a new Black Death that will kill untold millions.

With a few exceptions, there has been no serious questioning of the governments continued path with the lockdown. The BBC has been the absolute worst, a servile and obedient government servant that simply re-writes press releases.

If there is one small positive to come out of this appalling lockdown, at least the public now recognizes just how pitiful the mainstream media have become.

Final Thoughts

We are being manipulated with emotional blackmail. Stay home, save lives and protect the NHS. It’s an insidious mind game repeated ad nauseum to keep people quiet, compliant and unquestioning.

We started lockdown because it was an unknown virus, now we know it’s nothing more serious than other viruses we have endured over 100’s of years; it’s time to end it.

Sweden’s epidemiologist Prof Giesecke made an interesting statement during his interview. When discussing the number of deaths each country will have from Covid-19, he said, paraphrasing, let’s talk in a year from now and see where we are.

I’m pretty certain he is referring to not only the deaths from Covid-19, but deaths from the Lockdown. Sweden will not suffer at all in this respect.

It’s a tragedy when anyone dies, whether it be from (most often with) Covid-19, the flu, a heart attack and many other reasons. We need to get back to seeing our loved ones, get back to work so we can feed our family and many aspects of our lives.

The NHS needs to start performing much-needed surgeries and helping others who have been side-lined in the last 2 months. Remember, the lockdown is costing lives, how many, we don’t know yet. The lockdown needs to be lifted in stages, as experts have stated, but it should be started immediately and should never return.

Gavin is passionate about writing on important subjects and to give an alternative viewpoint. He can be followed on Twitter @photopro28 or email him – Do you have a great [email protected]

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Peon d. Rich
Peon d. Rich
May 14, 2020 12:37 AM

Exactly, “bereft of imagination.” Perfect description of the article and the kind of empty libertarian ideological hole that the Off Guardian has fallen into, especially around the Covid conspiracy meme. The same kind of -reason that The Guardian adopts, but at least not fully for the state, just capital (I guess the British State after all). (Not all of Off Guardian – the one recent article not Covid had to do with good ol’ Anglo-American imperialism – this time aimed at Venezuela by amerikkkan mercenaries – good job there). The future that is made will define the present, and by abandoning radical imagination of a different future, one, one that has become more possible with the present lockdowns, collapses, crises, stupidities, etc. Show radical imagination for a different future instead of bemoaning the loss of a tawdry everyday of what has just passed.

Cigogne
Cigogne
May 11, 2020 10:36 PM

The Giesecke interview by Freddie Sayers for Unherd is a very bad choice as ANTI-LOCKDOWN support. The interview takes a nose dive into a PRO-LOCKDOWN speech at 27:06, for 8 minutes. The expert AND the interviewer endorsing suddenly the lockdown ! If the begining of the interview sounds unambiguous, even if we heard the arguments already and with more clarity, it soon is difficult for Giesecke to articulate the bad logic behind the PRO stance. He even makes racist stupid remarks about immigrant workers in Sweden working in nursing homes, and being a factor of contagion because… they don’t understand well the Covid instructions ! It’s stupid and he is endorsing the PRO-LOCKDOWN stance ! From 27:06 to the end, around 35 minutes, Giesecke AND the interviewer literally endorse the lockdown… The interviewer worked for YouGov, financed by Blackrock and Unherd doesn’t seem much better, really. Please, use anti-lockdown supporters… Read more »

surferdave
surferdave
May 11, 2020 5:31 AM

Completely disagree. The Swedish model was a failure. Look at the stats that show excess deaths above the statistical long term averages, and the UK is a complete disaster with twice as many deaths as ‘normal’. No need to do tests, the stats don’t lie, lots of people are dead that didn’t need to be.
Remember, there is no evidence yet that there is any effective immunity to this thing, and it causes long term tissue damage in those that survive. The way it causes strokes is completely new to medical science, but just ignore that sort of stuff in your excessive desire to find fault.
Your shallow ‘intellectual’ approach is just that, shallow, and dangerous.

Fabrizio
Fabrizio
May 11, 2020 11:25 AM
Reply to  surferdave

ahahahahah here it is another idiot

Phaeton
Phaeton
May 12, 2020 9:38 AM
Reply to  surferdave

“there is no evidence yet that there is any effective immunity”. Please, get an immunology book, even if they are all biased and state false hypothesis, and learn a little bit about it. I am not trying to offend you, I am being serious if you want to understand what is happening. Yes, there is PLENTY of evidence that there is effective immunity. The prove is that 1) most of the people WITH the virus don’t die and 2) there are many so-called asymptomatic carriers. Guessing that this virus actually cause a disease (which hasn’t been proved for many reasons, but the easiest way to understand it is to look up about Koch postulates), the fact that it doesn’t cause it in everybody is PRECISELY because we have an wonderful and effective immune system. This is the cure; not a vaccine (which is preventive… if they work), and not a… Read more »

Cheezilla
Cheezilla
May 10, 2020 4:16 PM

Problem: Bojo seems to want to get us out of lockdown but the people are screaming “No, we can’t go back to work it’s too dangerous!” The big unions are resisting and a headmistress was quoted on Marr this morning as saying she is very scared.

The safety measures that are being suggested are frankly ludicrous, besides incurring huge expense at a time when many small businesses are already struggling. They will be impossible to apply in most workplaces and besides, many will take time to implement.
The duty of care of the employers will leave them open to specious lawsuits and the lawyers will laugh all the way to the bank, as usual.

So how do we get out of this one?

Howard
Howard
May 10, 2020 3:12 PM

As a sidenote, here in the US the Lockdown phase is being eased somewhat – “somewhat” being the operative term. I can’t help wondering if this sudden wish to begin re-opening the States has anything to do with the massive strikes said to be in the works – many of which are already occurring. No, forget I said that: our leaders would never expose us to this oh-so-deadly virus just to quell a worker rebellion.

Doly Garcia
Doly Garcia
May 10, 2020 2:23 PM

Another article suggesting that Sweden isn’t doing social distancing. In actual fact, they’re doing social distancing. They aren’t having as many measures as other countries, but they’re definitely enforcing social distancing when people don’t follow it. Yes, people are being arrested in Sweden if they don’t follow social distancing guidelines. So if you want to argue for following the Swedish model, remember that it doesn’t mean that there is no social distancing. Also, in Sweden many people live on their own. Other countries have said the Swedish measures wouldn’t be enough for them because in those countries not many live on their own. I remember when AIDS was the pandemic, and many men refused to listen to the true information that their only options were using a condom or staying strictly in a monogamous sexual relationship, because they didn’t like at all those options. Many of those men are sadly… Read more »

Steve Hayes
Steve Hayes
May 10, 2020 2:49 PM
Reply to  Doly Garcia

this disease actually has the characteristics it has.

Tell me, are you familiar with the concept: tautology?

Fabrizio
Fabrizio
May 11, 2020 11:27 AM
Reply to  Doly Garcia

he said that, please read the article properly

Rosalyn Liddle
Rosalyn Liddle
May 10, 2020 1:18 PM

Beautifully put and to the point.Oh the “discussions” I have had with family about this brainwashing,only to be accused of being distrustful of our government and health service….!

Koba
Koba
May 10, 2020 7:35 AM

“If there is one small positive to come out of this appalling lockdown, at least the public now recognizes just how pitiful the mainstream media have become.” Not true we’re still outnumbered. I even got hacky looks off the neeeeeeeighbours for not acting like interment in Belfast circa 1971

George Mc
George Mc
May 10, 2020 1:19 PM
Reply to  Koba

Call me cynical but I reckon the public, now as ever, recognizes sweet fuck all.

Zen Priest
Zen Priest
May 9, 2020 9:04 PM

Giant stride towards communism, check. Population trimming, check. This staged ‘outbreak’ has been a great success.

Koba
Koba
May 10, 2020 7:38 AM
Reply to  Zen Priest

Yep

You’re definitely an idiot mate, “ere hing a downt lak es commooooneesim” boring tit

Zen Priest
Zen Priest
May 10, 2020 5:19 PM
Reply to  Koba

You’re definitely a normie.

Jo Dominich
Jo Dominich
May 10, 2020 12:13 PM
Reply to  Zen Priest

Zen Priest, I think you meant Fascism?

Zen Priest
Zen Priest
May 10, 2020 1:39 PM
Reply to  Jo Dominich

How do you think Communism / Socialism is enforced?

George Mc
George Mc
May 10, 2020 3:06 PM
Reply to  Zen Priest

Same way that capitalism was?

Victor G.
Victor G.
May 10, 2020 5:13 PM
Reply to  Zen Priest

Damn I wanted to call myself ZenPriest but you beat me to it. Namu dai, dued!

George Mc
George Mc
May 10, 2020 1:23 PM
Reply to  Zen Priest

Komm-you what? Oh hang on, wasn’t that some Russian thing? Guy with a big moustache? Nah! Haven’t seen anything like that since forever.

Ivan D
Ivan D
May 10, 2020 4:00 PM
Reply to  George Mc

A Biblical verse just for you George: Jeremiah 5:21 ‘Hear now this, O foolish people, and without understanding; which have eyes, and see not; which have ears, and hear not’

Koba
Koba
May 11, 2020 8:18 AM
Reply to  Zen Priest

Christ you’re dumb

Still

David Keegan
David Keegan
May 9, 2020 7:55 PM

Great article.

Anyone else been hit with the ‘my friend’s dad’s cousin just died of Covid 19 (you heartless bastard!)’ as a way of shutting down any further discussion about this pantomime?

Simon
Simon
May 10, 2020 3:28 AM
Reply to  David Keegan

I’ve been hit with that one more times than I’ve been out the front door

David G. Horsman
David G. Horsman
May 10, 2020 7:27 AM
Reply to  David Keegan

Nobody liked that guy anyway…

Koba
Koba
May 10, 2020 7:39 AM
Reply to  David Keegan

My brother pulled that one then retreated quickly when I asked if his friend he wouldn’t name mum had died of covid19 or with it! Reply there none

George Mc
George Mc
May 10, 2020 9:44 AM
Reply to  David Keegan

I wonder if, on the build up to the First World War, some were saying, ‘my friend’s dad’s cousin’s baby was bayonetted by a German (you heartless bastard!)’

Jo Dominich
Jo Dominich
May 10, 2020 12:22 PM
Reply to  David Keegan

Hi David K, I think I hit the jackpot the other day. At around 7.00pm I was returning home from my daily walk. At the traffic lights was a car with a guy on a bicycle behind it. I crossed the road and walked behind (not in front of) the bike. Well, the guy unleashed a volley of verbal abuse at me. Hadn’t I heard of social distancing, I could kill him if I had it, WTF do people like me think I was doing and f’ing and blinding like a trooper. I looked him in the eye, told him to get a life and said if he believed all the bollocks and the propaganda he needed to take stock of the actual facts. Whereupon I legged it up the road to my house whilst he was stuck at the traffic lights. He was cursing and swearing at me right… Read more »

George Mc
George Mc
May 10, 2020 1:30 PM
Reply to  Jo Dominich

Yeah it’s depressing.

Turn on the telly. “They’re comin’ ta get ya!! Ooh! Spooky spooky! Ooh here’s a big bug and it’s crawling up yer arsehole even as we speak!”

Reaction: “Oh scream scream! Don’t come near me! Don’t even breathe! AARGH!”

What next? How about:

Turn on the telly: “We have now discovered – and it has been verified by lots of nice people in white lab coats – that COVID was caused by blue smarties.”

Reaction: “QUICK! Find all the blue smarties and kill anyone who has ever eaten one! And just to be on the safe side, don’t go near anything blue! Or anything smart ‘cause it sounds like smartie! That includes smart phones! Kill all smart phones!”

JudyJ
JudyJ
May 10, 2020 2:13 PM
Reply to  Jo Dominich

Jo
You should have said to him (difficult to think quickly in such situations, I know, but maybe next time 😀 ) that if he thought it was likely to be lethal for him what on earth was he doing out of the house?? Or get in quick and when they use the old “Haven’t you heard of social distancing?” interrupt straightaway with “Oh… of course, thank you so much for caring that you might infect me. I really appreciate that.” That might make them think.

Adam
Adam
May 10, 2020 3:08 PM
Reply to  JudyJ

I do catch myself thinking the same when I see people with goggles, mask and gloves walking through the park, avoding other people with a look of sheer terror in their eyes… why didn’t you stay at home if you think it’s so bad? Saying that, it’s good to get outside, even if youre terrified I suppose. The effect this is going to have on some people is going to be catastrophic. Imagine having germoaphobia and having to go through this fear mongering, it’s sickening. I used to have hope for our government/s but now can’t help but see them as complete sell outs.

Jo Dominich
Jo Dominich
May 11, 2020 10:48 AM
Reply to  JudyJ

JudyJ – you are right I probably should have been more focussed in my reply (and more polite probably!). However, I know one thing, I probably ruined his evening or even his week!

Baroness Pink
Baroness Pink
May 11, 2020 8:00 AM
Reply to  David Keegan

I posted something on Facebook the other day about easing lockdown restrictions and got a message from a former colleague who disagreed with me and then said her daughter is a front line worker for the NHS

Lia Young
Lia Young
May 9, 2020 7:39 PM

Why the spike in deaths in care homes?

Herbie
Herbie
May 9, 2020 10:55 PM
Reply to  Lia Young

5000 cards sent after requests on the news :\

Lost in a dark wood
Lost in a dark wood
May 10, 2020 12:09 AM
Reply to  Lia Young

Because Covid911 is an internationally coordinated, terrorist operation.

Hospitals ‘knew elderly patients had coronavirus but sent them back to care homes’
Watchdog the Care Quality Commission is investigating reports that hospitals may have broken regulations and triggered outbreaks in care homes by not telling staff of residents’ diagnoses
9 May 2020

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/hospitals-knew-elderly-patients-coronavirus-22001069

Simon
Simon
May 10, 2020 4:11 AM

Lost in a dark wood
From the very beginning of this madness its reminded me of the
‘DREADED NIT BUSH’ we used to have on the side of our unmarked football pitch at primary school,
The rule was simple if you happened to somehow wind up in the NIT BUSH
(Bare in mind it was on a football pitch)
or sit near someone else who recently had, logically & instantaneously like the BUSH you must be riddled with NITS ALSO!!!
Thankfully like covid the Bush was a lie! (They were aphids 😔) most likely cooked up by a insecure bully to target individuals for whatever reason. Your comment is like saying my primary school and local pharmacy knowingly planted the
NIT BUSH to make money selling NIT removal products 🤣😂🤣 you can tell I’m doing great under house arrest 🤪

Koba
Koba
May 10, 2020 7:43 AM
Reply to  Lia Young

The spike is mainly due to a few reasons number one is new dnr rules brought in by privatised caters (nothing dodgy there at all) and they’ve been shipping old codgers into care homes who have recently recovered from covid19 but have no real need for intensive health care anymore they ship them off the ward for a week or three before sending them home but care homes are bad for health of the elderly and people end up massively stressed at being effectively jailed with people who themselves abandoned their own parents and grandparents to die in these wretched places and they too start to struggle.

Cheezilla
Cheezilla
May 10, 2020 3:56 PM
Reply to  Koba

Not being allowed to see relatives while being looked after by people who profess to be scared to go to work, must cause sufficient stress in someone old and frail to bump them off quickly and efficiently, with or without a virus.

JudyJ
JudyJ
May 10, 2020 10:22 AM
Reply to  Lia Young

For the reasons other replies have highlighted. Also GPs do not visit care homes in person for any reason now because of the risk that they might become infected with coronavirus. Care home staff have had to be guided in recent weeks on how to do observations and clinical checks on a resident if they see any suspicious signs of deterioration. They then phone or video conference a GP to discuss next steps. The discussion reflects the National Institute for Clinical Excellence (NICE) model on assessing treatment for ‘frail’ people suspected of having Covid19, which in the circumstances invariably leads directly to ‘end of life’ palliative care within the care home. The consequence of this is that, whilst there might be some ‘Covid19’ cases, there could equally be ‘suspect’ cases who have nothing more than a cold or another infection such as a urinary tract infection. All these conditions, including… Read more »

Cheezilla
Cheezilla
May 10, 2020 3:59 PM
Reply to  JudyJ

NICE is definitely an ironic misnomer.

John U
John U
May 12, 2020 12:29 PM
Reply to  Cheezilla

Like ‘happy slapping’, joy-riding, state of the art technology, an honest politician (?!)

Cassandra2
Cassandra2
May 9, 2020 7:38 PM

When will the Human Race wake up to the fact they have been conned by covid19?

When the steel door closes behind them.

livingsb
livingsb
May 9, 2020 7:06 PM

Our planet has always been in a Dark Age. We are fucked, unless some sort of benevolent higher life form intervenes or human beings open their third eyes en masse.

Koba
Koba
May 10, 2020 7:44 AM
Reply to  livingsb

Wanna help me out huge amounts of lsd shrooms and/or DMT into the water supply

ame
ame
May 9, 2020 5:52 PM

Out today we have seen loads of new council posters stick to paypoitns and CV19 billboards stuck up near beaches and lampposts
the new posters mention CV19 and social distancing 2.2 6 ft etc whilst paying for car park tickets etc
the beach Car Parks are closed and coned of so the new posters are for when they open, which si very soon i would say within the next week or less.
my understanding of new council posters is they are going to open up as this is what they always done when road where closed during carnival or some festival or roadworks or when they going to closed something
in this case opening up.

ame
ame
May 10, 2020 9:06 PM
Reply to  ame

well done me

JudyJ
JudyJ
May 9, 2020 5:45 PM

To anyone who may not be convinced that Western societies are not now police states just watch these disturbing videos:

https://twitter.com/polymumofeight/status/1259058015027687424

https://twitter.com/NoniLibre/status/1259110755309248512

JudyJ
JudyJ
May 9, 2020 11:17 PM
Reply to  JudyJ

Just noticed my error! Please excuse the double negative and ignore the second “not”.

Koba
Koba
May 10, 2020 7:45 AM
Reply to  JudyJ

At least you took the time out to correct yourself.

AMR
AMR
May 9, 2020 5:17 PM

A good summary of issues. My question, however, would be: why should lockdown be ended in stages? Apart from the mad rush of ill people to get their denied and witheld treatment from doctors and hospitals, what might be the reason for a phased end of lockdown, from the point of view of someone who knows the lies and fabrications and fear-mongering that have gone into creating this event?

Novicurious
Novicurious
May 9, 2020 5:57 PM
Reply to  AMR

Perhaps to limit the civil unrest that could happen if everyone is let out of lock-up all at once – especially if the furlough scheme is pulled and many find they have no job to go back to, and they realise the gov narrative has been based on lies and manipulation? Just a guess.

AMR
AMR
May 11, 2020 1:07 PM
Reply to  Novicurious

I agree. If we all got ‘let out’ tomorrow, people would realise some of the deceit. Thinking about it, the mass surveillance measures also MUST be in place first. The length of the lock-up will be dependent on when they get the go-ahead, and calibration and testing has been completed: satellites, new tower installations, facial recognition programmes, and total surveillance apps, as well as door-to-door ultra-obedient ‘trackers’ to mop up the rest of us or those too fearful to go out ever again. I also agree with Mike Ellwood below, that no ‘second wave’ spike will appear… this will be very bad from a marketing (inculcation) point of view – although frankly, a small group of people created a ‘first wave’ of ‘Pandemic 1’ and I have no doubt they can create a second wave if they need a little more time. Yes, if we all go out at once… Read more »

Cheezilla
Cheezilla
May 9, 2020 6:54 PM
Reply to  AMR

Loss of face leading to a rebellious populace?

Germs Bond
Germs Bond
May 9, 2020 8:59 PM
Reply to  AMR

It’s the new normal. It will keep recurring like a toothache. They won’t let it go ever.

Mike Ellwood
Mike Ellwood
May 10, 2020 9:11 PM
Reply to  AMR

They are probably terrified that if the lockdown is ended overnight, that there will not be a spike of new cases or a “second wave“.

Thus proving that the lockdown was unnecessary.

Jo Dominich
Jo Dominich
May 9, 2020 2:50 PM

Thank you for this article. The more the propaganda continues the more it is obvious that the lockdown is nothing more than to protect a seriously failing NHS. Let’s face it, most hospitals in the country are three quarters empty, as you say A&E attendances are down by 50% – the NHS has a tendency to always blame patients so the narrative is that people won’t go because they think hospitals are full of Covid 19 but the advice is they should go. So what’s the truth – are hospitals overloaded or are they empty and Covid-19 is nothing more than propaganda exercise. As we are locked in so to speak, we can’t get out there and see it for ourselves. What are the ambulances doing with a 50% decrease in work? The Irish Commissioner for the EU has stated boldly and very clearly that the UK Government are not… Read more »

George Mc
George Mc
May 9, 2020 4:12 PM
Reply to  Jo Dominich

it is obvious that the lockdown is nothing more than to protect a seriously failing NHS. Oh, I think the lockdown is a lot more than that. Indeed, I suspect that, if the NHS is involved in the plan, it is that the lockdown is part of a move to DESTROY the NHS along with most of the post WW2 welfare state. This is because the continuation of the public sector can no longer be supported within the Western capitalist system as this system verges closer to the mother of all economic crashes. The hyped-up pandemic will be used to pre-empt the crisis which will then be blamed on the medical catastrophe. Whilst justifying the imposition of a police state. Thus the pressure on the NHS caused by diversion of material and staff to this glorified flu variation will result in a seriously overstretched service that will eventually collapse amidst… Read more »

Jo Dominich
Jo Dominich
May 10, 2020 11:46 AM
Reply to  George Mc

Hi George, thanks for this. You are quite right of course and I did phrase what I was trying to say too simplistically. There is something very sinister behind the lockdown and that something is Totalitarianism.

George Mc
George Mc
May 9, 2020 4:19 PM
Reply to  Jo Dominich

You comment about the obvious character assassination of Corbyn is correct. But he was like an unexpected blimp in the ruinous landscape of neoliberalism i.e. he was an anachronism who actually had the gall to think he could bring back the old collective bargaining model of industrial relations. Of course, even is he had been elected he would have had zero power of movement but that wasn’t the point. It was his popularity that scared the shit out of the vested interests. Had he been elected, large numbers of the UK workforce might start to get a bit uppity like in the “bad old days”. That sure as hell wasn’t going to happen.

In any case the entire Corbyn has been securely relegated to the memory hole and is irrelevant anyway considering the new depression we are approaching via the smoke screen of COVID.

George Mc
George Mc
May 9, 2020 4:20 PM
Reply to  George Mc

“the entire Corbyn” should be “the entire Corbyn episode”

Jo Dominich
Jo Dominich
May 10, 2020 11:52 AM
Reply to  George Mc

Hi George Mc. I don’t think Corbyn has been securely relegated to the memory hole yet. The MSM narrative is still knocking him but supporting Stoogie Starmer who is a faceless bureaucrat who has no idea how what opposition actually is. So, any vestige of a robust challenge to authoritarianism is absent. Corbyn was a brilliant leader of the opposition IMHO as he crucified May and Bojo at Prime Minister’s questions time, he was sure of his facts, he challenged injustice and yes, he did raise concerns about the Coronavirus Bill. I think he still is a threat because, as a socialist backbencher in a now Tory Labour Party, he has the freedom to speak the truth where others will not. He’ll be out there on the street with us if we ever have the courage to get out onto them and demonstrate in our millions against this Government and… Read more »

George Mc
George Mc
May 10, 2020 12:46 PM
Reply to  Jo Dominich

I think that Corbyn’s problem is that he had too much integrity and didn’t understand the nature of the game he was playing. Yes, he was a person of sincerity and compassion but was unprepared for the sheer conscience-less viciousness of the forces against him. I think of him as a true anachronism – as if he was a genuine Labour leader from the 70s transplanted into the post-Blair world. This quote from Blairite Tom Watson sums up everything:

We had just won the leader and deputy leader ballots, and we were in this room on our own, and the first thing he said to me was, ‘We’ve got our party back.’ I remember thinking to myself, I’ve never really lost this party. We’re going to have a bit of fun here, Jeremy.

Thus, Corbyn was like the proverbial lamb to the slaughter.

Cheezilla
Cheezilla
May 10, 2020 4:05 PM
Reply to  George Mc

My Sun-reading handyman sneered that Corbyn was 20 years out of date. “You mean he has ethics and integrity?” was my response. Unfortunately, my handyman was correct, though after the Blair fiasco, I’d put the date back even further.

Cassandra2
Cassandra2
May 9, 2020 2:41 PM

All this type of coverage is academic, we are now past the point of no return, the masses are well and truly on the ‘hook of fear’ and at the mercy of those perpetuating this global pandemic hoax.

This article by Gary D Barnett succinctly outlines the fate before us:
https://www.lewrockwell.com/2020/05/gary-d-barnett/the-coronavirus-response-the-ultimate-goal-is-control-of-all-humanity/

Congress is now processing Bill 66 666 which will entitle State authorities to enter anybody’s home and extract family members, including children if considered to be in danger of contamination from those testing positive within the family.

They’ve divided society – now they’re going for the family.

With humanity exhibiting complete surrender THEY will be emboldened to proceed with ever-increasing brutality.

Koba
Koba
May 10, 2020 7:46 AM
Reply to  Cassandra2

Are you trying to be rational?! Silly girl

Felix Culpa
Felix Culpa
May 9, 2020 2:37 PM

“The lockdown needs to be lifted in stages, as experts have stated…”

What is the evidence for this statement?

Michael Fereday
Michael Fereday
May 9, 2020 2:36 PM

I think the West is having a much bigger crisis that needs talking about. When you look at the map of all the different countries suffering from a huge ‘covid19’ load, they are mostly wealthy and Western nations. Some suggest that this is down to testing. However, I think we are missing the bigger picture. Back in the late 60s, here in the UK, we had the ‘Hong Kong flu’ that was far more deadly than a corona-virus. Many people just put this down to ‘the risk of living’ and got on with their day to day living. But what is interesting remember, back in the 60s our average life expectancy was 65.2 years; the ‘covid19’ pandemic would not have even registered because 93% of all it victims today would have been dead already! My point is, in the West we have increasing life expectancies (far beyond what anyone could… Read more »

Koba
Koba
May 10, 2020 7:48 AM

Blame the threat of virus deaths and increased likelihood of dying these days down to the idiots who munch antibiotic pills for every ailment and the capitalist scum who pump animals full of antibiotics

Gerrard White
Gerrard White
May 10, 2020 9:04 AM
Reply to  Koba

@koba – this is the right picture – in-ag is herding of humans

Steve Hayes
Steve Hayes
May 10, 2020 3:54 PM
Reply to  Koba

How could the over-use/misuse of antibiotics cause “virus deaths”? The over-/misuse of antibiotics results in bacteria developing immunity, but viruses are not bacteria and antibiotics have no effect on them, which is why it is pointless to take antibiotics for a viral infection.

Mike Ellwood
Mike Ellwood
May 10, 2020 9:31 PM

But what is interesting remember, back in the 60s our average life expectancy was 65.2 years;

Where are you getting your numbers from Michael?

https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/birthsdeathsandmarriages/lifeexpectancies/articles/howhaslifeexpectancychangedov

For men, looks like it was about 68 in 1960, and for women, quite a bit older about 75.

After that, it did go up quite a bit, for men and women. (But started to go down again after about 2014 (not shown on that graph).

https://www.newstatesman.com/politics/staggers/2019/07/mortality-rates-are-rising-uk-and-everyone-ignoring-it

Mike Ellwood
Mike Ellwood
May 10, 2020 9:32 PM
Reply to  Mike Ellwood

oops…got my blockquotes wrong again. The first line is from Michael Fereday.

Michael Fereday
Michael Fereday
May 10, 2020 9:41 PM
Reply to  Mike Ellwood

I did a quick online search across a half dozen statistics and then took the mean. I am not sure 65.2 or 68 make much difference as I am now learning the vast vast majority of deaths are over 80 years of age… Prof. Whitty himself stating that the excess deaths with covid 19 may actually be a third of reported deaths (after you eliminate other significant underlining health issues).

This does not mean these people should be neglected, no way! But we must balance the liberty and freedom of our future (namely our children) with our own fragile mortality… We need a healthier relationship with death to put blankly.

hope
hope
May 9, 2020 2:17 PM

Just to bring to the attention of the people the possibly first appeal to all people of good will by religious authorities, or simply by influencial people, which is now open for signature.

https://veritasliberabitvos.info/appeal/

sharon marlowe
sharon marlowe
May 9, 2020 2:43 PM
Reply to  hope

Very impressive from them:

“The facts have shown that, under the pretext of the Covid-19 epidemic, the inalienable rights of citizens have in many cases been violated and their fundamental freedoms, including the exercise of freedom of worship, expression and movement, have been disproportionately and unjustifiably restricted. Public health must not, and cannot, become an alibi for infringing on the rights of millions of people around the world, let alone for depriving the civil authority of its duty to act wisely for the common good. This is particularly true as growing doubts emerge from several quarters about the actual contagiousness, danger and resistance of the virus. Many authoritative voices in the world of science and medicine confirm that the media’s alarmism about Covid-19 appears to be absolutely unjustified.”

I would sign it if I wasn’t an atheist:)

Dr NG Maroudas
Dr NG Maroudas
May 9, 2020 3:56 PM
Reply to  sharon marlowe

Do not shun a good cause because of religious prejudice; that way lies social control through Identity Politics.

Remember! “Divide et Impera” — motto of the 1%.

hope
hope
May 9, 2020 4:08 PM
Reply to  sharon marlowe

Neither am I religious in the sense this word is meant. Possibly at some point all the people of good will have to join hands, whatever be their beliefs and likings, don’t you think? This does not mean changing one’s own beliefs, but as Tolstoy said: “Since corrupt people unite among themselves to constitute a force, honest people must do the same. It is as simple as that.”

sharon marlowe
sharon marlowe
May 9, 2020 4:18 PM
Reply to  hope

To hope and Dr NG Maroudas,

No no no. I grew up catholic and live in the bible belt. I’ve had a lot of time thinking about catholicism, and I’m pretty much anti-catholic now. So I won’t sign on to their petition or really any religious-inspired petition when I know they are false and harmful organizations.

Mike Ellwood
Mike Ellwood
May 10, 2020 9:43 PM
Reply to  sharon marlowe

I was born a catholic also. Took me far too long to see the light.

When thinking about Catholicism, it’s worth remembering that Tony Blair, as a mature and allegedly intelligent adult, voluntarily converted to Catholicism. So, if he is an orthodox Catholic, he believes in the Virgin Birth, and that those little round wafers at mass are the physical body and blood of Jesus Christ.

But then, he also believed in WMD, so I suppose he is at least consistent. No doubt he also believes as many as six impossible things before breakfast.

sharon marlowe
sharon marlowe
May 10, 2020 10:43 PM
Reply to  Mike Ellwood

Perfect description of Tony Blair:D

Steve Hayes
Steve Hayes
May 13, 2020 1:39 PM
Reply to  Mike Ellwood

Mike, Tony Blair publicly asserted: “I only know what I believe.” The very definition of madness.

Mike Ellwood
Mike Ellwood
May 14, 2020 1:47 AM
Reply to  Steve Hayes

To be balanced, Adrian Chiles also converted to Catholicism as an adult, but I actually like Adrian Chiles. 🙂

(And as far as I know, he hasn’t started any wars).

Koba
Koba
May 10, 2020 7:52 AM
Reply to  sharon marlowe

We should be a bit less harsh on religious people. Most of them do no harm to anyone and when the media shoves some lunatic down our throats we should be clever enough to realise that the media chose that lunatic person for a reason. Same with covid19 so called conspiracy theories cnn (I think) recently got some conspiracy bloke on with 90k subs and he wasn’t the most obvious shill imaginable same applies to loonys the media put front and center. Look away from front and centre theirs an entire world there

sharon marlowe
sharon marlowe
May 10, 2020 12:18 PM
Reply to  Koba

I don’t know what you’re trying to say here, Koba, but you can love religious people all you want. But I won’t:)

Dr NG Maroudas
Dr NG Maroudas
May 9, 2020 3:48 PM
Reply to  hope

[veritas liberabit vos — ἡ ἀλήθεια ἐλευθερώσει ὑμᾶς]

Could be the OffG motto.

Tim Drayton
Tim Drayton
May 9, 2020 4:02 PM
Reply to  hope

Does anyone know more about the group behind this appeal?

Richard Le Sarc
Richard Le Sarc
May 10, 2020 1:29 AM
Reply to  Tim Drayton

The stench is familiar

Koba
Koba
May 10, 2020 7:49 AM
Reply to  hope

When people need a celebrity to tell them what to do you know that person is empty as fuck

Steve Hayes
Steve Hayes
May 9, 2020 1:59 PM

It was predictable that the government’s “lockdown” measures would cause more harm than the virus. Predictable that is to anyone adopting a rational approach to this issue. However, it was not predictable to the government. Matt Hancock, the Health Secretary, admitted on 10 April 2020 at the Coronavirus Daily Update that the government had not made any attempt to assess the number of people who would die as a result of the government’s “lockdown” measures. This was an admission that the government had adopted an irrational, irresponsible and incompetent approach to policy-making on this issue. This irrationality is also revealed in the constantly reiterated assertion that the government is simply following the “science”. There is no way that science can determine policy. Science cannot tell you what your values should be; nor can it tell you what your priorities should be; nor can it tell you how to weigh competing… Read more »

Jo Dominich
Jo Dominich
May 9, 2020 2:53 PM
Reply to  Steve Hayes

Steve, very articulate analysis. I am deeply concerned about not only the state of the country, the economy and the health of the nation but also about the inevitable fact we are some 50% up the rung of the ladder to full Totalitarianism.

Steve Hayes
Steve Hayes
May 9, 2020 3:09 PM
Reply to  Jo Dominich

Jo, totalitarianism is already here. Here’s a list of the highlights:
juries suspended;
elections cancelled;
right to freedom of expression violated;
right to family life violated;
right to free movement within the country ended;
right to freedom of assembly cancelled;
right to protest cancelled;
right to practice one’s religion violated;
parliament reduced to a digital pretence;
police (and others) given arbitrary powers to arrest and detain;
right receive or refuse to medical attention violated;
right to freely engage in economic transactions curtailed;
right to a livelihood violated.
And if that is not enough, the Coronavirus Act 2020 Part 2 Section 90 gives the government the power to extend it indefinitely and to alter any power by nothing more than the fiat of a minister of the Crown.

AMR
AMR
May 9, 2020 5:42 PM
Reply to  Steve Hayes

Absolutely correct. It’s here. The Coronavirus Act 2020 section I term the “Enabling Act” is the crowning glory. We’ve seen it before, after communists were alleged to have burned down the Reichstag and the whole of Germany was then told it was under threat from the communist disease. And all of this achieved through what the government itself classified as NOT a High Conseqeunce Infectious Disease (HCID) because it had “low mortality”, on the 19th March 2020. The government went ahead despite knowing without a shadow of a doubt it was low mortality and not of high consequence (look up Covid-19 on gov.uk. They’ve added all sorts of spin and excuses and advisory banners to it since the 19th, but on the 19th it was a simple, straightforward paragraph saying that it had been ‘downgraded’ because of low mortality). My (Labour) MP Cat Smith said she would put my question… Read more »

Jo Dominich
Jo Dominich
May 10, 2020 11:35 AM
Reply to  AMR

AMR I guess our so called parliamentary democracy is really an electoral dictatorship. Bojo/Cummings have said they are going to change parliament so that it cannot hold the executive to account over things like Brexit. I suspect we will all need to start to learn to Heil! soon.

AMR
AMR
May 11, 2020 12:41 PM
Reply to  Jo Dominich

I have plans to start ‘Heil’-ing right now. I think it would help make things clear.

I’ve also thought of wearing some kind of symbol on a bit of fabric to indicate ‘unclean’ (unvaccinated, untested, unbeliever) status. It’s cheaper than a smart phone! Except to do that, I’d have to go out, and I avoid it because whenever I see queues or someone shrinking back in fear, or wearing a mask and gloves in their own pristine, air-conditioned SUV, I have a really bad reaction… and I know that the law has now changed so that only one doctor’s signature is required to section someone, so if I start screaming with horror…

Steve Hayes
Steve Hayes
May 10, 2020 11:47 AM
Reply to  AMR

AMR, Cat Smith gained her degree in Gender Studies, an area of academic “study” that values holding the correct opinions above knowledge.

Jo Dominich
Jo Dominich
May 10, 2020 11:29 AM
Reply to  Steve Hayes

Hi Steve, You are absolutely right of course. It makes me shudder just to read it actually. It is more serious given that Cummings is actually the psychopathic power behind the throne and is a despot, a fascist and a fanatical eugenisist. I suspect if a straw poll of British people were taken now and asked how Hitler came to power they would say by a revolution or something like that. Most would not realise though, he came to power legitimately as a result of the collapse of the Weimar republic. Well we’re not so far adrift from that at the moment. Crashing out of the EU in June without a Deal will tip us into a Depression (Covid will be blamed). Deeply concerning times.

Steve Hayes
Steve Hayes
May 10, 2020 11:43 AM
Reply to  Jo Dominich

The Nazis introduced their totalitarian regime by completely legitimate and legal parliamentary means. The Coronavirus Act of March 2020 is our version of the Enabling Act of March 1933. However, there is a significant difference: in Germany in 1933 there was substantial organised opposition; here in 2020 there are only isolated, unorganised voices of dissent. Virtually all the sources of authority, power and influence in society are supporters of the totalitarian response.

Jo Dominich
Jo Dominich
May 10, 2020 12:41 PM
Reply to  Steve Hayes

Hi Steve, I am sitting here watching a cartoon version of George Orwell’s Animal Farm on Film 4 and it is so relevant to now. It is food for thought that the Coronavirus Act of March 2020 is our version of the Enabling Act of March 1933. In terms of opposition you are right because a tour around the MSM, WHO website, international press etc are all trotting out the propaganda so TPTB have a compliant world wide media and organisations that trots out if you like, the message making it appear as though any dissenters are totally wrong because everyone is saying the same thing. It’s a shame Stoogie Starmer is so pathetic.

Steve Hayes
Steve Hayes
May 10, 2020 1:07 PM
Reply to  Jo Dominich

Starmer is, of course, a pillar of the establishment. His role in the persecution of Julian Assange ought to have been more than enough to have totally discredited him in the eyes of anyone with moral sense.

breweriana
breweriana
May 10, 2020 1:24 PM
Reply to  Steve Hayes

Yes, Steve, it really is that bad. But come this Thursday at 8pm, the performing seals and pot-banging clowns will still come out onto their doorsteps.

Very, very, depressing.

Steve Hayes
Steve Hayes
May 10, 2020 1:34 PM
Reply to  breweriana

And we are supposed to believe that Clap For Carers was the idea of Annemarie Plas. On her mere suggestion the whole country decided to comply with this request from a Dutch person living in London, who they had never heard of. https://clapforourcarers.co.uk
If you find this narrative convincing, perhaps I could interest you in a bridge I have for sale?

n van der weide
n van der weide
May 9, 2020 1:49 PM

Having seen a number of interviews, I’m even questioning whether COVID19 actually exists. I’m not a scientist by any means but it seems that this disease has not had the rigourous testing that normally happens. The science as I understand it is very flawed, including the proof that social distancing and wearing masks have any impact at all. I don’t do either except when forced: work and supermarkets.
I am extremely sceptical about the whole thing and wonder what the actual agenda for this nonsense really is.

sharon marlowe
sharon marlowe
May 9, 2020 2:37 PM

I just watched the now famous video, “Plandemic”, and Judy Mikovits doesn’t seem to doubt the existence of covid-19. But she definitely thinks the infection/mortality numbers are false due to the “liberal” means of attaining them.

Jo Dominich
Jo Dominich
May 9, 2020 2:57 PM

Van de weide You know for the past two weeks I have been wondering the same thing you see, I just can’t see it anywhere. All we have is a bunch of falsified, miscounted statistics, a massive propaganda campaign designed to cause distress, hysteria and compliance and a lockdown ordered three days AFTER the Government declassified Covid-19 as not being an HCID. Unfortunately, here in the UK, apart from sites like these, there is no challenge to the Government.

Alan Tench
Alan Tench
May 9, 2020 4:12 PM

I’m a massive sceptic when it comes to bat flu, but I can confirm that it does exist. My sister and her husband got it, and although they didn’t need hospital treatment, they were both quite ill for three weeks; both had fairly acute breathing difficulties during the course of the illness. Their children never picked it up. The source of the infection was a paramedic who one of them came into contact with.

AMR
AMR
May 9, 2020 6:04 PM
Reply to  Alan Tench

I find this kind of thing interesting to hear about (I also know two people who were ‘diagnosed’ – high temperature and feeling a bit unwell for a single night). This is because my partner and I had, in November/December 2019, a really bad ‘cold’ that resulted in us being bedridden for two full weeks and sicker than we’ve ever been. It hit my lungs, which I never usually experience with illnesses. It took six weeks of on-again-off-again symptoms before we felt finally free of it. This was the same experience as the huge majority of our friends and family. Round here we called it ‘the lurgy’, as we do every year, but this seemed a bad one. Now, other than two people in widely different parts of the country with a 24 hour unwell feeling and raised temp (body fighting off an invader, in other words), who rushed themselves… Read more »

Germs Bond
Germs Bond
May 9, 2020 9:17 PM

I’m certain it doesn’t exist. They should have proved it but they can’t. They did all this WITHOUT PROVING its existence. It is the ultimate p*** take. Baaah baaah baaaah!

Germs Bond
Germs Bond
May 9, 2020 9:22 PM
Reply to  Germs Bond

Baaah baaah baaah! Plandemic Exercise 201 featured a novel respiratory coronavirus two months before the real plandemic. Baaaaaaah!

R Anand
R Anand
May 10, 2020 3:27 AM

One can safely presume that new viruses do come and go every year with varying degrees of effects on human population and other life forms, but as far as specifically CV19 is concerned the evidence, authentic evidence, of its specific existence in the manner and form (contagiousness, causing of health problems etc) is simply not there.
I went through a scientificamerican.com article (linked to in the swiss propoganda research website) on how the virus was “discovered” in Wuhan, and it did not make logical sense and it was so short of convincing details.

JudyJ
JudyJ
May 10, 2020 2:38 PM
Reply to  R Anand

“new viruses do come and go every year” The ignorance of people who I thought would have known better amongst my friends and acquaintances has been frightening. Very few of them seem to understand that even flu viruses change their structure possibly every year, certainly with frequency. Someone I know who has a flu jab every year thinks its formulation is simply repeated each year and it automatically prevents him getting ‘flu’. Goodness knows what he would do if he did happen to fall ill with flu. He’d be rushing to the doctor declaring he must be dying because it can’t possibly be flu as he’d had a jab. He’s the sort of person who if a ‘Covid19’ vaccine suddenly materialised I can guarantee he’d be first in the queue to get it. We even see journalists failing to grasp that ‘novelty’ is not unnatural or unusual and constantly refer… Read more »

R Anand
R Anand
May 10, 2020 10:43 PM
Reply to  JudyJ

Yep!

AMR
AMR
May 11, 2020 12:47 PM
Reply to  JudyJ

“The ignorance of people who I thought would have known better amongst my friends and acquaintances has been frightening.”

Yes. For me this has been a huge shock, and very destabilising. I kind of thought my friends and family were all on the same wavelength. This has been two and a half months of one revelation after another.

sharon marlowe
sharon marlowe
May 9, 2020 1:46 PM

I’ve posted three comments at the World Socialist Website, saying that the lockdown should end. All three comments were removed by them;)

George Mc
George Mc
May 9, 2020 2:39 PM
Reply to  sharon marlowe

That doesn’t surprise me. The biggest irony in this whole farce is that, should the MSM demand (deceptively of course) that the lockdown should end, it would be the Left who would demand that it be kept going. At which point, the MSM would just have to resign themselves to “the will of the people” etc. (While the actual people will be staring at their TVs in astonishment thinking, “Well it wasn’t me that demanded this fucking lockdown extension!”)

sharon marlowe
sharon marlowe
May 9, 2020 2:52 PM
Reply to  George Mc

Well, George Mc, since the rightwing imperialists called “Democrats” in the U.S., are considered the Left here, I expect them to want the extension. But I was wrong when I thought true leftists would doubt anything the U.S. regime would try to push on the public. And those who said that the worldwide reaction to this virus would not be a left/right issue were entirely correct.

Koba
Koba
May 10, 2020 7:57 AM
Reply to  George Mc

Sad thing is George is many left wingers are spot on there’s a systemic problem with the way everything is run but that’s about all they’re good at. They consider themselves anti establishment yet they need the establishment to tell them what acceptable. I blame the media they did a good job of making thinkers (left wingers) think that any and every so called conspiracy theory is automatically right wing. I can genuinely see the likes of the daily mail doing a anti paedophile campaign and just because it’s the Mail certain left wingers will warp themselves into defending the poor oppressed working class kiddy fiddler.

Mark
My
Words

George Mc
George Mc
May 10, 2020 9:41 AM
Reply to  Koba

The Left’s biggest weakness is intellectual vanity and it is precisely through intellectual vanity that they can be controlled. It doesn’t bother them if “conspiracy theorists” are called subversive or mad. But if conspiracy theorists are called gullibile or stupid then that really stings. That’s when the Left back off. They don’t want to be with the uncouth boy who saw through the emperor’s new clothes.

Jo Dominich
Jo Dominich
May 9, 2020 2:58 PM
Reply to  sharon marlowe

Sharon, I am sorry to hear that because I think the WSW is a really good source of information generally.

sharon marlowe
sharon marlowe
May 9, 2020 3:04 PM
Reply to  Jo Dominich

It is sad because they have been a great source and are truly anti-imperialists. So many people and sites have turned into complete cowards over this virus, Jo 🙁

Koba
Koba
May 10, 2020 8:01 AM
Reply to  sharon marlowe

Wsws truly anti imperialist? Hahahahaha tell the people of Syria and Libya that! They supported those wars until the end of the Libyan war and stopped supporting attacking Syria when they realised Assad would win and that plenty of left wingers had pointed out the jihadist nature of the head chopping moderates. Most socialist and communist websites and groups are controlled by none socialists and thisbis easily proven. Just search for Caleb maupins works on YouTube

sharon marlowe
sharon marlowe
May 10, 2020 12:13 PM
Reply to  Koba

The wsws has been against the imperialist powers through both wars on Syria and Lebanon. I’ve no idea why you’re lying about that?

Gerrard White
Gerrard White
May 9, 2020 4:59 PM
Reply to  Jo Dominich

‘was’ not ‘is’ I think – this bug has seperated the chaff from the wheat, WSWS coverage has been abysmal, american exceptionalists, hardly any global thought or coverage, their coverage of africa is school essay standard

Koba
Koba
May 10, 2020 7:58 AM
Reply to  Jo Dominich

Jo do some research on that website and then do some research on the CIA and Trotskyite organisations. They’re best friends designed to corral the angry into toothless idiots

Gerrard White
Gerrard White
May 9, 2020 4:56 PM
Reply to  sharon marlowe

I have found this too – the WSWS is simply not interested in any comment that does not toe the party line
They were relatively efficient at commenting the NYT slavery scam, and meetoo – but both of these are no brainers and do not reach the realm of serious politics, who controls production and so on
Curiously enough they call themselves Trotskyists – as far as I remember even Lenin who was no wilting mayflower maiden was sometimes surprised by his companion’s zeal for action

Koba
Koba
May 10, 2020 8:03 AM
Reply to  Gerrard White

Gerrard Lenin hated Trotsky. A few letters in 1917 saying how well the Menshevik Trotsky had done for the red army. But for every pro Trotsky letter their is a thousand anti Trotsky letters and articles. Leon was the most obvious agent I’ve ever seen.

Gerrard White
Gerrard White
May 10, 2020 9:01 AM
Reply to  Koba

Dear Koba

Thanks for this information, it is good to know when you are wrong, and in fact fooled
So this explains that, at first I thought the WSWS was genuine, but was puzzled by such ruling class lackey opinions

Koba
Koba
May 10, 2020 7:54 AM
Reply to  sharon marlowe

WSWS is controlled opposition for Trotskyists. Avoiding Trotskyites is paramount to good health they’re scum and fake as fuck

snuffleupagus
snuffleupagus
May 11, 2020 10:20 AM
Reply to  Koba

— or so says someone who uses Stalin’s nickname.

https://www.marxists.org/archive/trotsky/1936/revbet/

Binra
Binra
May 9, 2020 12:54 PM

The covid19 pretext is NOT the global pandemic threat it has been aggressively and persistently asserted to be. Contagious terror has been given power under a network of deceits that are both pervasive to our society, but orchestrated and fed by cartel monopoly interests that ARE under threat BECAUSE their basis for control is increasingly being brought into the light, as both falsely assumed and falsely supported or extended them as social compliance. The lockdown is illegitimate, unfounded in anything but manipulated fears, and serves no purpose other than control agendas of a financially backed corporate elitism that has succeeded in attaining regulatory dominance over the laws and lives of humankind through the progressive exploitation of (identifying within) our base nature. Compassion for the fearful does not extend to sacrificing humanity to DNA editing ‘immunisations’ and endless lab-rat conditioning procedures to fit a ‘New World Normalising’ to incomprehensible denials of… Read more »

Tony
Tony
May 9, 2020 11:56 AM
George Mc
George Mc
May 9, 2020 1:14 PM
Reply to  Tony

These hit pieces are drearily predictable. Always the psychobabble e.g. “WHY do people believe these theories?” which of course conveniently obviates the necessity of first deciding if the conspiracy theory is true by simply supposing that it isn’t. Furthermore – even if these “nuts” were psychologically predisposed to believe in conspiracies, that doesn’t prove the conspiracies are false. Also note the screaming logical error: We hear that some are drawn to conspiracy theory because they “need to feel safe and secure in the world”. The implication being that a threat from external terrorists or a virus is “more comforting” than your own government threatening your safety! I admit that the bit about narcissism is new to me. Conspiracy theorists are “narcissists”? Seriously? So people who look around and try to reach conclusions about the outside world are “more narcissistic” than those who just quietly get on with their own lives… Read more »

George Mc
George Mc
May 9, 2020 1:16 PM
Reply to  George Mc

Sorry about my own error there:

Also note the screaming logical error: We hear that some are drawn to conspiracy theory because they “need to feel safe and secure in the world”. The implication being that a threat from external terrorists or a virus is “more comforting” than your own government threatening your safety!

should read:

Also note the screaming logical error: We hear that some are drawn to conspiracy theory because they “need to feel safe and secure in the world”. The implication being that your own government threatening your safety is “more comforting” than a threat from external terrorists or a virus.

Jo Dominich
Jo Dominich
May 9, 2020 3:14 PM
Reply to  George Mc

Hi George Mc well put. It is interesting because it is a truth universally accepted that when there are massive levels of Government propaganda, lies, misinformation then any dissent or challenge to these lies by those who seek the truth will be labelled as conspiracy theorists because the truth must and should be hidden from the public at all costs. If a truthful Government was in power it would have put proper facts, information and figures before the public so they could make up their own minds. Because there is a massive political agenda behind it the requirement is that a tsunami of propaganda is required to secure the compliance of the public. However, the thing with tsunamis is that they hit, powerful and strong wrecking everything in their paths but then recede. Just like the young man putting his finger in the dam to stop it breaching so it… Read more »

George Mc
George Mc
May 9, 2020 3:49 PM
Reply to  Jo Dominich

I think that the demonisation of “conspiracy theory” started after the JFK assassination when it was obvious to any sentient being that something bloody weird was going on. And this conspiracy phobia mantra has been so relentless and widespread throughout the mainstream media ever since that I am sure it was all part of a very well thought out propaganda programme. There would have been any number of emergency meetings and briefings and documents outlining the basic tactic of this new information management programme. The basic devices are not difficult to see: to constantly focus on the perceived psychological weakness of those who doubt the mainstream accounts, to smear through guilt by association, to constantly project an “unfashionable” aura around these theorists, to emphasise the allegedly “unscientific” character of these theories etc. And of course, once the basic mould had been installed it became easier and easier to use it… Read more »

snuffleupagus
snuffleupagus
May 11, 2020 10:10 AM
Reply to  George Mc

I am sure it was all part of a very well thought out propaganda programme. There would have been any number of emergency meetings and briefings and documents outlining the basic tactic of this new information management programme. this is no longer a matter of conjecture; the smoking gun has been found, as it were. https://wikispooks.com/wiki/Document:Countering_Criticism_of_the_Warren_Report Most Americans will be shocked to learn that the conspiracy-theory label was popularized as a pejorative term by the Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) in a propaganda program initiated in 1967. This program was directed at criticisms of the Warren Commission’s report. The propaganda campaign called on media corporations and journalists to criticize “conspiracy theorists” and raise questions about their motives and judgments. The CIA told its contacts that “parts of the conspiracy talk appear to be deliberately generated by Communist propagandists.” In the shadows of McCarthyism and the Cold War, this warning about communist… Read more »

Koba
Koba
May 10, 2020 8:07 AM
Reply to  Jo Dominich

We are still outnumbered jo. More sheeple believe their TVs. Even though a good 7 weeks ago most would pretend they don’t believe their tv at all

Jo Dominich
Jo Dominich
May 10, 2020 11:41 AM
Reply to  Koba

Koba that’s true unfortunately. I was having a discussion with someone in THE DREADED QUEUE who was quoting the MSM ad infinitum. So I asked her why she believed the MSM propaganda, what information was she basing her opinions on. She said angrily, that she didn’t read the papers! You bet she does. Reciting the propaganda parrot style. I think that might be the case for many people – they will deny the MSM or TV as their information sources when in fact, they are hooked on them!

JudyJ
JudyJ
May 10, 2020 2:45 PM
Reply to  Jo Dominich

Jo

Something has just struck me when reading your anecdote. What you fail to take account of is that, to most people, when you talk about “MSM propaganda” they think you are referring solely to newspapers. They would not for one minute consider the BBC – or probably any TV news broadcaster – to be “propaganda”. They seriously need enlightening.

Jo Dominich
Jo Dominich
May 11, 2020 10:53 AM
Reply to  JudyJ

JudyJ – you are right but how can we change people’s perceptions.

JudyJ
JudyJ
May 11, 2020 11:42 AM
Reply to  Jo Dominich

Jo

I’m the last person you should ask. I have tried so often and failed every time. 😀

hope
hope
May 9, 2020 11:53 AM

Now, from early on the lessons of Nazism were buried, precisely so that people do not realise how totalitarianism occurs. The Nuremberg trials rapidly shifted from a discussion of the collective participation of the whole society to the transformation of Hitler into a monster. This shift was deliberate. Ever since people have been trying to look for monsters”, the press attributing monster like qualities to those leaders likely to impede the interests of its owners and of their political lackeys. The historian A.J.P. Taylor who continued to assess how an entire nation can become totalitarian and the role of each of us in the process was totally marginalised for his views. There is very little understanding that totalitarianism is something which one imperceptibly slips into because of the action of each one of us. What difference between those who are spying today on their neighbours preventing them to lead a… Read more »

Jo Dominich
Jo Dominich
May 9, 2020 3:22 PM
Reply to  hope

Hope, Thank you for this timely reminder how far into Fascist Totalitarianism we are moving towards. I am incredulous as to how compliant and subservient to the Government the British public has become. They are asked by the Government official Propaganda machine the MSM, BBC and ITV every Thursday to act like clapping Monkeys to applaud a seriously incompetent NHS who are not serving the nation at all at this time of crisis. They are asked to act like performing seals on VE Day and to stand outside their houses and sing ‘We’ll meet again’ and God help us sane people, they do. The humiliation is unbearable.

breweriana
breweriana
May 10, 2020 12:02 PM
Reply to  Jo Dominich

I have personally found the ‘seal’ performances to be particularly depressing to see.

sabelmouse
sabelmouse
May 10, 2020 11:32 AM
Reply to  hope

agree!

George Mc
George Mc
May 9, 2020 10:08 AM

Sorry if the following isn’t in the “right place” but events seem to be moving so fast and I keep thinking etc. that I am just shoving it in here: In conversation with another commenter on Off-G, I suddenly realised the biggest problem there is currently – that a vast number of people, perhaps even the majority, are still living inside a propaganda model that has been irrelevant for at least half a century now. This is the notion of a social compact or collective bargaining whereby the workers are represented by unions who negotiate with the bosses to get a good deal. Under this model, you can talk about e.g. “socialist purity”, the “loony left” etc. This model is completely defunct now in a world in which the very concept of unity (so necessary in worker power) is mocked by the existence of multiple unions (which, to rub in… Read more »

aspnaz
aspnaz
May 9, 2020 1:43 PM
Reply to  George Mc

The left is loved by billionaires because the left is demanding more government, which provides the opportunity to pass laws (create budgets and projects) that are beneficial to the billionaires. Libertarians on the other hand tend to reject every expansion of the government and are mostly fighting for it to be radically reduced in size, this is not beneficial to billionaires. One example, the expansion of government funded research that happens in universities and which becomes the property of the researcher, not of the tax payer: billionaires see this as an opportunity. The money pot in the government is huge and the billionaires want to get a lot of it, so they pander to the voters who also want more government action, the left wing.

Koba
Koba
May 10, 2020 8:09 AM
Reply to  aspnaz

Libertarians are just psychos pretending they don’t want government just to appear edgy! The end

Richard Le Sarc
Richard Le Sarc
May 10, 2020 10:29 AM
Reply to  Koba

Libertarians is the hatred of others, egomania and privatised tyranny.

Sophie - Admin1
Admin
Sophie - Admin1
May 10, 2020 3:24 PM

Libertarianism self-describes as a belief in individual freedom, small government, self-determination and an isolationist anti-war foreign policy. Does everything you don’t agree with have to personify evil? Quite childish and reductionist.

aspnaz
aspnaz
May 10, 2020 11:22 PM
Reply to  Koba

The ruling classes want to divide and conquer: they will benefit, but not thank you, for your lack of respect for others and furthering their goals. Now run away and call the police hotline and tell them about your neighbour who is not doing what you want him to do, maybe breaking the rules, maybe they are libertarians.

molloy
molloy
May 10, 2020 1:49 PM
Reply to  George Mc

Sorry.

“Western Democracy”…. really?

George Mc
George Mc
May 10, 2020 2:57 PM
Reply to  molloy

I did say “this vision of Western democracy”.

Francis Lee
Francis Lee
May 9, 2020 9:25 AM

The lockdown has to end and soon. The only thing worse than the disease is the ham-fisted reaction. The alternative. Millions of unemployed people looking for jobs which no longer exist. Shops and businesses boarded up, hunger, food riots, crime, looting, murder, public services overwhelmed, starvation. That’s just for starters. The longer this farce goes on the more likely this scenario exists.

MrMan
MrMan
May 9, 2020 9:11 AM

Is this not also Yellow Journalism? Your rhetoric is equally sensational. For example you say we are only allowed out once a day for exercise. Have you actually read the legislation? It says nothing of the sort.

As they say the truth lies somewhere in the middle. You’re just the other side of the coin you denigrate

Mark
Mark
May 9, 2020 10:08 AM
Reply to  MrMan

What other examples from the article can you cite?

Joerg
Joerg
May 9, 2020 10:21 AM
Reply to  MrMan

@MrMan YOU are worrying me – not Gavin Phillips or his article. It’s Your HATE, MrMan! You obviously only found one(!) point, You believe Gavin Phillips reported wrongly. And instead of answering something like, “I believe this article claims wrongful that we are allowed only to go out once for exercise.” You go full hate with remarks like: “Your rhetoric is equally sensational. No, there is nothing I this article above you could call “sensational“. Or Your remark: “You’re just the other side of the coin you denigrate“. No, this article above is “denigrat(e)ing” no one and nothing. This article criticises, yes. But where does it “denigrate</em"? I experienced this hate also in my apartment house here in Vienna (where I live as a foreigner): About a week ago I put an article, which criticised the lock down here (and, yes, the Austrian prime minister, who ordered that), on our… Read more »

aspnaz
aspnaz
May 9, 2020 1:51 PM
Reply to  Joerg

It is hard to argue without sound data and many governments, helped by the lying, deceitful and basically people-hating MSM, seem to be determined to ensure that nobody gets any good data. Even governments with first class systems where they could have easily collected good data, the rules have been changed to sensationalize the peril. All you can hope for it that the people who “identify” will one day start to think, but I doubt it.

breweriana
breweriana
May 9, 2020 10:58 AM
Reply to  MrMan

“Have you actually read the legislation? It says nothing of the sort.”
Oh, well that’s all right then.

Like I’ll let people like you tell when and where I can go?
I”ll tell you where you can go…

JudyJ
JudyJ
May 9, 2020 11:24 AM
Reply to  MrMan

MrMan

You obviously don’t live in Wales like I do. As stated in this article, Welsh laws stipulate outside exercise only permitted once a day.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/coronavirus-lockdown-laws-rules-what-can-you-do-uk-a9441091.html

Mike Ellwood
Mike Ellwood
May 10, 2020 10:19 PM
Reply to  JudyJ

Thanks Jo. I had not realised that there were differences between the UK nations in that respect.

It also looks like the “guidance” being issued is stricter than the actual legislation. That’s sneaky. I’d assumed that we (in England) were only officially allowed one bit of exercise a day (not that I’ve been taking any notice of it). Some people are also under the impression it’s only allowed for one hour (judging by what I’ve heard people (not officials) saying on the radio. I’ve been ignoring that “rule” (if it is a rule) also.

Jo Dominich
Jo Dominich
May 9, 2020 3:27 PM
Reply to  MrMan

Mr Mann, the problem is of course, that people on this site probably have looked at the Legislation. As Lord Sumption said, there is a difference between what is Law and what are Government Guidelines. Most people haven’t got a clue about the Law it is the guidelines that are being pumped out as law; people either don’t want to or can’t distinguish between the two.

Herr Ringbone
Herr Ringbone
May 10, 2020 6:31 AM
Reply to  Jo Dominich

Mr Mann, the problem is of course, that people on this site probably have looked at the Legislation. 

That’s pretty unlikely, isn’t it? Most people never check primary legislation, and often when they do, they fail to understand it.

In other contexts, I have seen people quote one half of a legislative provision and claim that it therefore means X, when if they had bothered to continue to the end they would have realized that in fact it obviously means Y, where Y is a severely restricted version of X, not the broad version of X they were alleging exists.

Most people simply cannot read properly. They can’t even understand Internet comments, let alone legislation.

Jo Dominich
Jo Dominich
May 10, 2020 12:04 PM
Reply to  Herr Ringbone

Herr Ringbone there are easy reference guides available to the Bill. Using those as a guide you can then go to the section in the actual Bill to review its contents. That’s how I look up controversial or dodgy legislation.

Mike Ellwood
Mike Ellwood
May 10, 2020 10:21 PM
Reply to  Herr Ringbone

To be fair legislation is written for lawyers, not for the man or woman in the street.

Shiki Rougi
Shiki Rougi
May 9, 2020 6:43 PM
Reply to  MrMan

Degenerate. Not denigrate, you pliant Johnsonite cunt.

P R Ivy
P R Ivy
May 9, 2020 8:23 AM

Fly posters, fly posters and more fly posters, is the only way to connect with folk who are only now starting to question, if queueing up for essential groceries and the like, take a like minded mate or two and start talking about what a total sham this is and how riddiculous it is, take our posters and our tongues out onto the street, be fair now, only a fucking idiot can buy what the media and govt is saying, it is obvious that the uk is has a sizeable chunk of halfwits, Boris in the big chair being the model I used to determine “absolute stupidity” in the UK, but that is mainly through ignorance, what folk don’t know they can’t really expect to understand the reality, and simply need more discussions, debate is stiffled beyond belief but we can all stir it up whilst queuing, educate, people do… Read more »

Geoff
Geoff
May 9, 2020 8:46 AM
Reply to  P R Ivy

I agree 100% with you but what can you expect when you have 19,000 calls to the police informing on their neighbours that they’ve been out twice already, these people are that far gone there’s little point in trying to talk to them, the best way to educate people is to tell them to take their TV to a dump ( when the queue dies down ) and stop buying ‘newspapers’, very often people who don’t buy papers or watch the idiot box are more informed than those that do, a very good example of this was the EU referendum, people couldn’t have possibly known what they were voting for, even the most prominent leaver, Hannan , said only a lunatic would consider leaving the single market and customs union, there will be no border between north and southern Ireland , we hold all the cards, the German car makers… Read more »

Francis Lee
Francis Lee
May 9, 2020 9:46 AM
Reply to  Geoff

Oooh, we’ve got one of those remainers who think they know everything and people who voted leave are borderline half-wits. Please read below. The European Monetary Union is achieving the opposite of its stated goals: bring its member states closer to an economic equality. Conspicuously, it is Germany that is benefitting from this contradictory policy. Norbert Häring is a financial journalist at the German daily business newspaper Handelsblatt, blogger, and an award-winning author of popular books on economics and finance. He holds a Ph.D. in economics and is Co-Founder and Co-Director of the World Economics Association. Cross-posted from Norbert Häring`s website Translated by BRAVE NEW EUROPE European Economic & Monetary Union (EMU) is in permanent crisis. The economic strengths of the participating nations are drifting apart instead of converging. This creates great frustration among the governments of countries being left behind and fierce disputes between them and Brussels and governments… Read more »

Gerrard White
Gerrard White
May 9, 2020 1:51 PM
Reply to  Francis Lee

@Francis Lee

Great information, thank you, will send to a suffering someone in Spain who is worried about exactly this, now that

tourism zero, agri depressed and dependent on slave labour

Cheezilla
Cheezilla
May 9, 2020 2:39 PM
Reply to  Francis Lee

Well this info wasn’t popped through my letterbox when we had the referendum.

Jo Dominich
Jo Dominich
May 9, 2020 3:41 PM
Reply to  Francis Lee

Francis Lee – of course, no mention at all of the dire state of the British economy before lockdown is there? The fact is, a No Deal Brexit whether you like it or not, is going to tip this country that was already in a serious recession prior to all this into a Depression but Covid-19 will be blamed.

There are many many positives to being in the EU which far outweigh the negatives. Hey ho though, just wait and see what happens after June when the Government implement the one-sided Trade Deal they have signed with the USA.

Jo Dominich
Jo Dominich
May 9, 2020 3:38 PM
Reply to  Geoff

Geoff, well said. Not to forget of course, about all those Trade Deals with a lot of other countries in the world that the UK were going to negotiate except, er,the other countries didn’t want to know. The MSM propaganda and Bojo, Cummings and the Leave lot illegally spent millions of public funding (which I note the police will not investigate – so police state is here – (protection of TPTB and vested interests) on a campaign based on false information managed to turn people pro-Brexit into a rabid snarling contemptuous mob who lost all rationality and turned really nasty and personal against people who voted remain despite there being only 1m votes difference between both points of view. We live in a country where hate and antagonism of anyone who opposes the MSM and Government propaganda – rational debate has flown out of the window. Logic, critical analysis and… Read more »

Geoff
Geoff
May 10, 2020 9:53 AM
Reply to  Jo Dominich

Correct, and don’t forget the other nonsense they throw at you, neo Liberal fascists un elected bureaucrats , whilst forgetting nobody elects the head of state , those that sit in the house of gobshites, the Civil service and not forgetting a couple of years back we had an MP elected by nobody, and now have some despot un-elected of course telling the slob what to do but nobody cares, unbelievable, here’s a few pieces of anti EU we’ve had to endure over the last 50 years : 21-gun salutes are just too loud, Brussels tells the Royal Artillery – Mail on Sunday Brussels threatens charity shops and car boot sales – Daily Mail Plot to axe British number plates for standardised EU design – Daily Express Women to be asked intimate details about sex lives in planned EU census – Daily Express British cheese faces extinction under EU rules… Read more »

Geoff
Geoff
May 10, 2020 9:54 AM
Reply to  Geoff

Sorry that should have read ‘ PM ‘ elected by nobody

Jo Dominich
Jo Dominich
May 10, 2020 12:09 PM
Reply to  Geoff

Hi Geoff, this is a good whistlestop tour of the type of MSM propaganda that influenced the leave vote and none of it was true, not any of it. People need to wake up and smell the coffee.

Geoff
Geoff
May 10, 2020 1:17 PM
Reply to  Jo Dominich

Here’s the full list if you’re interested !

See 20 years of FAKE NEWS about EU by UK press. Vote for …tompride.wordpress.com › 2017/12/05 › see-20-years-

Jo Dominich
Jo Dominich
May 11, 2020 10:45 AM
Reply to  Geoff

Hi Geoff, thanks for this. I’ll have a good read!

David French
David French
May 9, 2020 7:03 AM

When you make claims such as Ferguson having over hyped things in the past, it would be useful if you could post your sources, links to articles or publications etc. which support such a statement.

Stephen Dignam
Stephen Dignam
May 9, 2020 8:15 AM
Reply to  David French

While you’re on your computer, go to Google, or preferably some other search engine, and type in what you’re looking for. It should magically appear.

bob
bob
May 9, 2020 8:53 AM
Reply to  David French

where have you been this last 7 weeks?
maybe your 77th brigade training hasn’t worked?

Cheezilla
Cheezilla
May 9, 2020 2:40 PM
Reply to  bob

“where have you been this last 7 weeks?”

In a nutshell!

Reg
Reg
May 9, 2020 8:55 AM
Reply to  David French
Roddy Duncan
Roddy Duncan
May 9, 2020 9:09 AM
Reply to  David French

It’s quite easy to find such information, indeed I believe there has been an article on here with his wild predictions on mad cow disease, MERS, SARS etc etc. However, what I came across yesterday truly made my blood boil. I think Imperial College’s refusal to release the original code for this modelling software speaks volumes. As it is, they gave it to their good friends at Microsoft to try to make it more functional and reduce the number of bugs over a month ago, and even they couldn’t fix it. But it was very good of Bill Gates to help them out like this, especially considering he’s already donated over $180 million to them over the years. But even this “vaccinated” version of the code that was eventually released, is riddled with bugs. “This revised codebase is split into multiple files for legibility and written in C++, whereas the… Read more »

CAB
CAB
May 9, 2020 11:32 AM
Reply to  Roddy Duncan

Fascinating post. It’s a great pity that more scrutiny is not given to computer models. considering the world is going to break its back on them.

Gerrard White
Gerrard White
May 9, 2020 1:57 PM
Reply to  Roddy Duncan

Thank you for this information – please note the save the niall fundraiser coming to a tv screen near you

Jo Dominich
Jo Dominich
May 9, 2020 3:57 PM
Reply to  Gerrard White

Gerrard, please don’t say things like this please!

Mike Ellwood
Mike Ellwood
May 10, 2020 10:26 PM
Reply to  Gerrard White

Is that to buy him a good supply of condoms? (I’m sure he never wears a mask).

Jo Dominich
Jo Dominich
May 9, 2020 3:57 PM
Reply to  Roddy Duncan

Roddy Duncan – thank you so much for posting this – it is what a lot of people have known from day 1 but couldn’t quantify. I found it very spooky actually, that the lockdown was prompted by such false modelling.

Dr NG Maroudas
Dr NG Maroudas
May 9, 2020 11:01 AM
Reply to  David French

Googled “Neil Ferguson foot-and-mouth” culling; this from The Telegraph:

“Neil Ferguson, the scientist who convinced Boris Johnson of UK coronavirus lockdown, criticised in past for flawed research”.

Note that Ferguson’s previous gaffe was to predict falsely that a _vaccine_ would be no use against foot and mouth. The TBLiar regime seized on Ferguson’s faulty model as a pretext to slaughter millions of sheep, rather than risk sales to the U$ market. (Vaccinated sheep would have possessed antibodies which U$ Customs and Excise would have rejected for import).

So, Prof.Facing-Both-Ways has supplied two convenient High Level “mathematical” judgments; blowing both hot and cold for vaccines at the convenience of successive UK regimes. What is known in Prime Ministerial circles as “a safe pair of hands”, like Lord Hunt.

Jo Dominich
Jo Dominich
May 9, 2020 3:59 PM
Reply to  Dr NG Maroudas

Dr Maroudas, he isn’t on the dole queue though is he which is a shame. He is still employed earning megabucks probably.

Dr NG Maroudas
Dr NG Maroudas
May 10, 2020 5:48 AM
Reply to  Jo Dominich

Jo, whatever made you think Prof.Ferguson could possibly be fired for making a disastrous judgment?

Like Lord Justice Hunt, the UK regime likes to retain “a safe pair of hands” in prominent positions, because a regime never knows when it might need to call for an authoritative judgment in favour of a dodgy dossier.

Jo Dominich
Jo Dominich
May 10, 2020 12:00 PM
Reply to  Dr NG Maroudas

Dr Maroudas, I think I was in wishful thinking mode!

cesca
cesca
May 9, 2020 4:21 AM

I’m a seriously, scientific Anthropologist, brought up by the best Mum in the world for developing intellect. Glad to say my Dad is gr8 too but Mum is seriously out there. I graduated in Archaeology, which limited my development cos there are boundaries to knowledge allowed. Go beyond them and u get serious grief. The description of cv19 symptoms are so vague, they cld be any seasonal flu and it is. I don’t believe there is a new virus, the seasonal death rates are average but cv19 is the the fashionable label 4 the scum. Ppl have stopped dying of other stuff currently, to suit the false agenda. It is impossible to derive new cv from PCR testing, it’s a false test in this instance. Seriously think it’s time to treat the scum as they deserve, they’re so obvious in what they’re doing, not in any way clever. Time to… Read more »

cesca
cesca
May 9, 2020 4:30 AM
Reply to  cesca

P.S. This article is gr8, sorry 4 not mentioning that in my prior comment.

Kalen
Kalen
May 9, 2020 4:58 AM
Reply to  cesca

Little correction. Three is no extremely deadly virus that justifies ruining economy. But there is possibly one SC2 virus (it was fully sequenced) out of at least hundred others present within our respiratory system nobody cares to pay attention as immune system in healthy person deals with them, as well with SC2 and influenza and others , quite well.

What we are dealing with is result of globally collapsed health of population due to extreme social stress of neoliberal globalization and environmental pollution and ensuing devastation public health institutions worldwide producing hundreds of millions of people sick and dying of preventable diseases every year.

BDBinc
BDBinc
May 9, 2020 3:23 AM

Now that more information ( different narratives )popped up and we’ve had some of the original lies exposed we believe that we know we were lied to .
Still we can’t say we know the whole media show isn’t a mind control production number done for a new order of tyranny.To maintain what was being lost as all the political dogmas crumbed.

elsewhere
elsewhere
May 9, 2020 3:08 AM

The most thorough recap of the covid scam I have seen: Covid-19 red-pilled

https://jamesperloff.com/2020/04/23/covid-19-red-pilled/

viper
viper
May 9, 2020 2:53 AM

I live in a rural town in Montana….have’nt seen anything here about staying at home….we come and go as we please…oh, you got your freakoids, with masks and such, but nobody pays any attention to this 6 foot bullshit….was there a flu goin’ around? HELL ya…it was flu season…jeez….I’m 66 years old….not putting my life on hold for this conjured up bullshit….

wardropper
wardropper
May 9, 2020 2:37 AM

I’m very grateful to have read a great many excellent summaries of this hoax at OffG. It is indeed an oasis of sanity in a mentally sick world. Just look at this statement from the article: Both in the UK and the USA, it has been openly admitted by health officials that anyone dying *with* COVID-19, is being categorized as having died *of* it. How is it even possible for our health officials to survive such a confession? They are supposed to be professionals, but if a concert violinist were to apply their “professionalism” to his vocation, he would be playing Mozart to audiences while claiming it was Beethoven, on the grounds that both composers had once seen a violin…! Oh, and he would NOT expect to get away with it either… I always thought you had to be pretty far-gone to end up in an asylum, but that’s where… Read more »

Shardlake
Shardlake
May 9, 2020 9:02 AM
Reply to  wardropper

The problem is that a substantial proportion of the population do not have the analytical capacity or are not bothered sufficiently enough to question the government narrative and therefore, to their minds, whatever is put out becomes the true and only explanation. This country has suffered more than ten years of unnecessary austerity measures and the people have endured such an onslaught trying to keep body and soul together that they are ready to accept as essential whatever they they are told by a government reenforced by a right-wing press and national broadcaster. The majority of people have been beaten over a sustained period with the perceived righteousness of Brexit and the cheeky-chappie prime minister who has a History of blatant lying that all they want is an end to their misery, not realising that it’s only just beginning.

George Mc
George Mc
May 9, 2020 2:47 PM
Reply to  wardropper

he would be playing Mozart to audiences while claiming it was Beethoven

Nah he would be playing Mozart to audiences while claiming it was Kylie Minogue.

wardropper
wardropper
May 9, 2020 3:59 PM
Reply to  George Mc

Forgive my ignorance, George. Of course he would claim it was Kylie : )

Doctortrinate
Doctortrinate
May 9, 2020 2:07 AM

Trust an “official” Story…..how many of us suspected deception even before any “official” confirmation – and so expected that as the many experiences previous, we’d be spending our time hunting through a slew of inaccuracies and feeble exaggerations….so a question of most importance to me is – how many believe the official narrative, accept it as dependable/reliable without any concern of the elements that make it true, and how many…are so blind to truth…that regardless of the evidence, remain loyal to the lies…and how many, would be content to return work with their fiat currency, the debt system, with it’s illegal taxes, big pharma and a pension scheme to see them out…etc, because any one of those concoctions , would i’m sure, be jumping for a jab, and downloading the latest tracking app…if it meant they could go for a stroll and a pint without being classified unclean…..How useless then,… Read more »

Maxwell
Maxwell
May 9, 2020 1:55 AM

This has gone beyond the f**in’ pale people. All those rat bastards claiming they are “saving lives” with their idiotic masks are in fact destroying lives. And the scum officials making these decisions belong in jail. Article here, my title: COVID-19 Lockdowns and Fear Mongering Create All Time High Rates of Food Insecurity For Children in the United States Figure 1 illustrates the high levels of food insecurity observed in the COVID Impact Survey and in the Survey of Mothers with Young Children. By the end of April, more than one in five households in the United States, and two in five households with mothers with children 12 and under, were food insecure. In almost one in five households of mothers with children age 12 and under, the children were experiencing food insecurity. Rates of food insecurity observed in April 2020 are also meaningfully higher than at any point for… Read more »

BDBinc
BDBinc
May 9, 2020 3:15 AM
Reply to  Maxwell

That’s another msms fearmongering topic also playing on fear.
There is enough food for all on the planet so much goes to waste.And its a crime that there are people starving and there were well before psyop- covid.

Kalen
Kalen
May 9, 2020 5:08 AM
Reply to  BDBinc

There is enough food globally but access to food is limited by corporate interests and market rules of profit that prevents quality food from being cheap enough to be affordable for everyone.

What is mass produces is a food substitute. No wonder why QEII never tasted commercial food.

Cheezilla
Cheezilla
May 9, 2020 2:51 PM
Reply to  BDBinc

There’s waste yes but it’s mainly a distribution problem. The haves and have-nots.

BDBinc
BDBinc
May 9, 2020 12:39 AM

We do know this is insanity based on a media lie, falsified data from a fictional computer graph and all its been is continuing lies.

What we don’t know :
Well we do not know that a ” new deadly disease ” even exists.

Alessandro
Alessandro
May 9, 2020 1:45 AM
Reply to  BDBinc

BDB agreed but the real issue is why were so many taken in? Perhaps it is with advancing years more of us become more questioning, more skeptical. Remember the movie Network, where the actor Peter Finch, a good Aussie, remonstrated as Howard Beale in 1976? “So, you listen to me. Listen to me! Television is not the truth. Television’s a goddamned amusement park. Television is a circus, a carnival, a traveling troupe of acrobats, storytellers, dancers, singers, jugglers, sideshow freaks, lion tamers, and football players. We’re in the boredom-killing business… We deal in illusions, man. None of it is true! But you people sit there day after day, night after night, all ages, colours, creeds. We’re all you know. You’re beginning to believe the illusions we’re spinning here. You’re beginning to think that the tube is reality and that your own lives are unreal. You do whatever the tube tells… Read more »

wardropper
wardropper
May 9, 2020 3:33 AM
Reply to  Alessandro

It is, indeed a real puzzle why so many were taken in. I expect many of us have people within our own families who were taken in, and who still are taken in, so it is strange that it seems to be such a mystery as to why they were. But it isn’t necessarily always the same cause. Within my own family, I have clever relatives who don’t particularly trust government, and yet they have swallowed the hoax. Why? I recognize two reasons: One is because the hoax is backed up by people in white coats who look like doctors and are introduced as experts. The mere phrase, “Scientists say”, is, unfortunately, enough for most people to knee-jerk react with the semi-conscious thought, “Well, in that case it must be true”. The other reason is fear. The picture has been complicated and blurred by the media for weeks now, and… Read more »

Alessandro
Alessandro
May 9, 2020 5:46 AM
Reply to  wardropper

Thanks for a thoughtful response war dropper. Much of what we see today is, I believe, the consequence of a lack of critical thinking (CT). Thirty years ago CT was a mandatory subject for an MBA but nowadays that’s not the case. If educators were genuinely concerned with helping our young to think rather than follow they would introduce CT at an early stage and perfect it for tertiary education. But the so called elites, whom I call myopic intellectual pygmies, would not likely want everyone to be a better thinker, they might ask too many questions.

Hazzo
Hazzo
May 9, 2020 12:46 PM
Reply to  Alessandro

Never mind ‘critical thinking’ the drones tumble out of school at 18 now and can neither spell or construct sentences, we don’t need to mention history or geography as both subjects are gone, geography being ‘climate change’ indoctrination. Never mind though at least they all appear to reach adulthood to discern anyone with an opposing view is ‘Far right’ or ‘Racist’ especially if they comment negatively on an ethnic minority rapist, child molester or stabber.

wardropper
wardropper
May 9, 2020 3:42 PM
Reply to  Alessandro

That’s the truth, Alessandro, but, as I mentioned above, the mental effort involved in critical thinking just doesn’t suit everybody. Many either lack the capacity for it, or they resent the work involved. The people who gather together here at OffG invariably do have the capacity for critical thinking, otherwise they wouldn’t be here, although Hazzo’s point about the failure of education and the tendency of some people to label people and things blindly is also 100% valid.

Herr Ringbone
Herr Ringbone
May 10, 2020 6:47 AM
Reply to  wardropper

The people who gather together here at OffG invariably do have the capacity for critical thinking, otherwise they wouldn’t be here …

True in the past, perhaps. It’s now something of an echo chamber in the comments, replete with the sound of everyone singing from the same hymn sheet, smugly looking forward to sandwiches and Kool-Aid (in place of tea) after the sermon.

wardropper
wardropper
May 10, 2020 2:23 PM
Reply to  Herr Ringbone

No, it isn’t like that, although you are right to point out the dangers of an echo chamber. It isn’t really logical to dismiss people who have come together because of a common disgust with the Establishment status-quo, simply because they are sharing their thoughts within that common disgust. Your choice of words paints a highly inaccurate picture of most of us here (“everyone singing from the same hymn sheet, smugly looking forward to sandwiches and Kool-Aid (in place of tea) after the sermon”), and you seem to think that common purpose means brainless subservience, which is actually the last thing it means to OffG readers in general. Of course there are always a few people who find common purpose in others to be an automatic irritation, but that can’t be helped, and when we think of who would most like to put a stop to common purpose, it is,… Read more »

Herr Ringbone
Herr Ringbone
May 10, 2020 4:03 PM
Reply to  wardropper

… and perhaps your good self too …

I’ve lurked this site since its inception. There is a clear difference in the comments now. Many of the best commenters have moved on, or appear only rarely.

Personally I think this site is about to do a Zero Hedge on itself, that is, see its comment threads permanently taken over by group-thinking monomaniacs, in which case the site will effectively die. I hope not.

You have been around since the old days as well, of course. So I shall leave this here, as I respect you and appreciate the civility which you have always extended to your correspondents.

wardropper
wardropper
May 10, 2020 5:53 PM
Reply to  Herr Ringbone

I hope you are wrong, Herr R., and I appreciate your civility too. I’m not sure I have been here for so very long, and what I have seen is not necessarily a takeover by “group-thinking monomaniacs”, but rather a natural severing of the umbilical cord which originally connected the site with those who got it off the ground. Basically, “You’re on your own now, guys”, sort of thing. I certainly don’t see much evidence of group thinking here, but where I think I do agree with you is in the idea that anysuch site is likely to run out of steam – as a site. The individuals concerned were mostly driven here by exasperation with the crap they are expected to digest from the mainstream media, as well as by the hope that some answers might be found within OffG articles and comments. Probably, however, the answers will always… Read more »

B from the Bush
B from the Bush
May 9, 2020 9:06 AM
Reply to  wardropper

I’d rather have Darwin, Descartes and Nietzsche on my side than God, thanks very much.

wardropper
wardropper
May 9, 2020 3:52 PM

Far be it from me to hinder your access. You are most welcome to them. Personally, I greatly admire their respective contributions to science and philosophy, but I hope that in turn you will give me due credit for not including any of the dogma of religious institutions in my definition of God, as briefly mentioned.
Darwin, Descartes and Nietzsche gave us all a great deal of food for thought, but so did a lot of other people who disagree with them profoundly. I don’t have a problem with that, since I am committed to the ideal of thinking for oneself, and I hope you don’t have a problem with it either.

breweriana
breweriana
May 9, 2020 11:17 AM
Reply to  wardropper

Mr. Darwin cannot speak for himself, so: There is a danger in ‘rewinding’ evolutionary theory to an imaginary ‘time zero’ when life, supposedly, just ‘occurred’. Not even Charles Darwin himself agreed with this ridiculous notion. In fact he very specifically warned against it: “the entire reason revolts at such a conclusion.” he wrote. And also from Darwin, in the very last paragraph of the very last page of ‘The Origin of Species’ he wrote what are probably the most beautiful and sublime words, from any scientist from any time and from anywhere: “It is interesting to contemplate a tangled bank, clothed with many plants of many kinds, with birds singing on the bushes, with various insects flitting about, and with worms crawling through the damp earth, and to reflect that these elaborately constructed forms, so different from each other, and dependent on each other in so complex a manner, have… Read more »

wardropper
wardropper
May 9, 2020 4:39 PM
Reply to  breweriana

Thank you, breweriana. There are of course many brilliant physicists, biologists, chemists, mathematicians, philosophers and mystics who have said the most wonderful and inspiring things about the Universe, and it is always refreshing to see one of them mix together the words, “philosophy” and “physics” in a single work. For me, Darwin didn’t dare to go far enough, but I realize that saying so could sound arrogant, and, in any case, the fact that I come to different conclusions from his certainly does not mean that I dismiss his work, which of course would be arrogant. At the other end of the spectrum we have a remarkable man like Rudolf Steiner, who seems to have been exceptionally clairvoyant, yet who was so concerned to build bridges between his personal experience (which he knew was physically unprovable) and the natural science which was all around him in educated circles, that he… Read more »

breweriana
breweriana
May 9, 2020 6:31 PM
Reply to  wardropper

Thank you wardropper, for the references. I have noted those works you mention, and shall look into them.

A curious thing:

My copy of Darwin’s ‘Origin’ is almost a century old.

Out of curiosity, I downloaded a pdf digital version of it. Somebody has changed the ‘modern’ version.

The words “by the Creator” are missing in the digitised version.

wardropper
wardropper
May 9, 2020 6:48 PM
Reply to  breweriana

Thank you too, br.
I checked to see if Wikipedia had anything to say about “the Creator”, and it came up with this:
“In the second edition of January 1860, Darwin quoted Kingsley as “a celebrated cleric”, and added the phrase “by the Creator” to the closing sentence, which from then on read “life, with its several powers, having been originally breathed by the Creator into a few forms or into one”

Objective
Objective
May 9, 2020 12:17 AM

We seem to know more about cv19 than the government does at any rate. Just how many professors,Drs and expert opinion does it take for them to follow the REAL science.

That taped off seat is just a red flag asking to be sat on.

tonyopmoc
tonyopmoc
May 8, 2020 11:43 PM

I learnt this from 5 virtual years in California, when I got banned from my Favourite Website in the UK (and sometimes i used to count the hits) You see, we had 9/11, and then we had the London Bombings. I was up early on my computer 7th July 2005. With the window wide open from my upstairs computer room. The Bang about 12 miles away as the Crow Flies, I think first alerted me…And Then There Was These Two Massive Blackbirds Fighting – almost in my Face – and I have seen The Hitchcock Film…This was real..i thought wtf is going on – and I looked for my wife and she wasn’t there – where are you???? No response. I was completely terrified. I turned on the radio, and there were al these bombs going on, very close to where my wife used to work. I couldn’t contact her….when… Read more »

tonyopmoc
tonyopmoc
May 9, 2020 1:19 AM
Reply to  tonyopmoc

Found Her, after more than 10 years (The USA is wide open to personal information for free) She’s O.K. Covid-19 status around Lauren Cases: 461 Deaths: 17 CA Cases: 62148 Deaths: 2535 State GUIDANCE USA Cases: 1292144 Deaths: 76908 NationWide GUIDANCE Updated May 8, 2020 | Data source: Johns Hopkins University Nearest locations affected Merced, CA 30 mi away 155 Cases 3 Deaths San Joaquin, CA 31 mi away 581 Cases 28 Deaths Santa Clara, CA 45 mi away 2281 Cases 127 It took me awhile to remember her surname, and where she used to live. She is 62 years old. I hope Lauren is well. I bet she is still the same. The Ultimate American Hippy Girl She used to really like The Greatful Dead…I said – nah come over to England. My wife and I will pick you up at Heathrow – and you can stay with us.… Read more »

Willem
Willem
May 9, 2020 7:29 AM
Reply to  tonyopmoc

‘ I said why have you banned me? He had just come back from a warzone. he says Tony – you are writing personal things – about your life from England, and you are making friends with Californians.’ I don’t understand what is wrong with writing personal things (but I may be biased because that is what I like to talk about most as well). When I come to think of it, I think it is a very old and succesful way of describing contemporary society, which is full of personal stories. I liked Douglas Coupland’s book Generation X for that reason, as it ‘defines’ a generation through lots and lots of personal stories, thereby actually showing that the whole ‘generation kind of thing’ is bullocks. Although I never read the Canterbury tales (except for some lines as it was mandatory in high school), I think Chaucer used the same… Read more »

Willem
Willem
May 9, 2020 7:32 AM
Reply to  Willem

Bullocks=bollocks

My bad English… I should have listened better to the teacher in school!

Dungroanin
Dungroanin
May 8, 2020 10:47 PM

Talk of emotional blacmail!

padded cell in Psych Ward B.

Nurse!

John Martin
John Martin
May 8, 2020 10:38 PM

I almost want to say, ‘We should all go out! They can’t arrest (or shoot) us all!’.

Then I remember that this is cowardly Britain, and they wouldn’t have to. They’d arrest a couple of dozen of the ‘ringleaders’, and the rest of us would fold like a deck of cards.

How are we supposed to end this hell?

Arsebiscuits
Arsebiscuits
May 8, 2020 10:44 PM
Reply to  John Martin

Burn down all houses and people have no choice but to stay out.

Dungroanin
Dungroanin
May 8, 2020 10:54 PM
Reply to  John Martin

The rule of thumb is 70 days. March 20 to May 8 is about 7 weeks = 49 days. Add on a week or so before – call it day 60. So in about 10 days start easing. As long as there is enough testing in place to catch hot spots.

That’s how we get out of this quick sand.

breweriana
breweriana
May 9, 2020 11:21 AM
Reply to  Dungroanin

Get lost pal, you’ll not tell me when I can leave my own home.

Dungroanin
Dungroanin
May 9, 2020 2:59 PM
Reply to  breweriana

Has anyone STOPPED you leaving home?

You sound like a whining teenager ‘you’re not the king of me’.

I go out regularly no one has attempted to stop me including the police van going past while i drank my beer at a pub bench in the sunshine with the cricket test match repeat on, just a wave and smile.

breweriana
breweriana
May 9, 2020 6:38 PM
Reply to  Dungroanin

“i drank my beer at a pub bench in the sunshine with the cricket test match repeat on”
You’ll look funny doing that when it rains.

Dungroanin
Dungroanin
May 9, 2020 8:13 PM
Reply to  breweriana

Us test cricket fans don’t mind the rain.

It’s part of the game.

And we make the best of it.

Now go whine somewhere else. Like a sulky teenager.

breweriana
breweriana
May 10, 2020 12:29 PM
Reply to  Dungroanin

“Us test cricket fans don’t mind the rain.”
Well be sure to stay 6 feet apart, and don’t gather in groups of more than two.

In my minds eye, you’re looking even funnier now; a sad lot of blokes getting pissed wet, arses sodden, sitting on a bench drinking from a tin of beer in a brown paper bag, with a tranny for company.

And you think you’re at Lord’s!

Actually, it’s LOL hilarious!

Dungroanin
Dungroanin
May 10, 2020 12:40 PM
Reply to  breweriana

Edgbaston actually.

2005. Yesterday was the greatest day. Today is worrying only need 2 wickets- but not easy only 70 needed. Lee and Warne holding out…

My friend was a lady with debenture seats at Lords – used to go every summer. Gone now. Such is life. But great memories.

Mike Ellwood
Mike Ellwood
May 10, 2020 10:39 PM
Reply to  Dungroanin

That assumes the test is reliable and dependable.

gordon
gordon
May 8, 2020 11:26 PM
Reply to  John Martin

i am the most darkest of brown my skin is like leather the best days strongest days of sun in 10 years i am fat full with vitamin d i stare hold gaze at coppers all but one looked away these are cowards i’ve walked for miles lay down in hidden glades fields got nudged awake by a baby fox who hit a wall that was my leg then scampered back to mom and brother. i’m on ccrv data base in piccadilly and tel aviv from walking from liverpool street to crystal palace from pimlico to hampstead walked past cenotaph and hell hole downing street willing them ask me something or tell me anything i am sun dark but i am not an indian your lock down has been my freedom these ministers these police,nurses and doctors are low level demons the men behind it bankers money changers and schemers… Read more »

George Mc
George Mc
May 8, 2020 10:36 PM

Let me predict what will happen with the cries to abandon the lockdown. Since the figures have been massaged to reflect whatever the vested interests want them to reflect, it is so easy to sway these figures in whatever direction is desired. So, once the lockdown has been operational for a certain length of time, it’s easy to start dropping the figures and say, “See – it’s working!” At which point there will be an increasing chorus of “Let’s stop the lockdown!” At which point the MSM lackies say, “Oh no it’s too early! We are at a very crucial stage and we mustn’t become falsely optimistic!” But the anti-lockdown campaign will gather strength and the media and medical lackies will reluctantly concede etc. The lockdown will be abandoned ….and then the corpse figures will start to rise again – this time far more steeply than ever. Scream scream scream:… Read more »

Dave Lawton
Dave Lawton
May 9, 2020 12:22 AM
Reply to  George Mc

Labour will support any lockdown extension, says Starmer

wardropper
wardropper
May 9, 2020 3:54 AM
Reply to  Dave Lawton

And Starmer will, himself, support two planks of wood if they have the words, “comfortable early retirement and peerage guaranteed”, printed on them. It’s time to stop the automatic exclusion of decent people from high political office. I can’t think of a single decent human being who would even want to work for today’s Washminster.

Cheezilla
Cheezilla
May 9, 2020 3:07 PM
Reply to  Dave Lawton

Funny that he was nagging for an exit plan, then when Boris starts talking about letting us out, Starmer starts protesting “no not yet!”

Andrew
Andrew
May 9, 2020 4:31 PM
Reply to  Cheezilla

Why should having a plan mean the plan is to end lock-down any time soon? It just means considering carefully what will need to get us out of this mess as soon as possible, while minimising loss of life in the process. For instance, the plans several other countries already have in place are to increase testing and isolation, so that once the infection rate comes down to a level where that policy can be effective, it is ready to put into action.

Cheezilla
Cheezilla
May 9, 2020 4:36 PM
Reply to  Andrew

Clearly you are currently living comfortably with guaranteed income and your roof secure over your head. How long will such comfort last in a massive recession? If you’re alright jack, at least have some consideration for the millions of families whose lives are already precarious. The developing economic situation is a much bigger threat than any flu virus.

Jo Dominich
Jo Dominich
May 9, 2020 4:18 PM
Reply to  Dave Lawton

Oh for Jeremy Corbyn Dave Lawton. Starmer is a Tory no more no less. He will never stick his head above the parapet to demand the truth. He’s an MSM and BoD stooge and a dishonest one at that.

Mike Ellwood
Mike Ellwood
May 10, 2020 10:41 PM
Reply to  Dave Lawton

Labour will support any lockdown extension, says Starmer

Well there’s a surprise.

May He
May He
May 9, 2020 3:38 AM
Reply to  George Mc

I bet they have planned to bring on Act II just as the (useless but profitable) vaccine is ready and has already been distributed to bribed GPs and the like.

Expect an increase in the fear porn. Now that the sheeple have been primed/trained, it will be easy to impose Act II quickly.

Also ready in place will be an extensive network of 5G cells and the 5G enabled satellites in their low orbits above us.

Penalities apply if you do not have the vax and the spy ap on your mobile phone, or, if no phone, an ankle or wrist band to track/spy on you, to “keep you safe”.

But fear not, for the rapidly collapsing economy and society will prevent much of this happening – power breakdowns, etc. The lesser of two evils but better than their digital dictatorship.

NowhereOH
NowhereOH
May 8, 2020 10:24 PM

Absurd rules that make no sense

Which is why they’re so damned determined to make you follow them. They started priming the pump after 9/11, with their random fiats about shoes and amounts of liquid. The ridiculous back and forth in Ohio (and the US in general) about the effectiveness of masks boggles the mind. I’ve heard people say they can’t make heads or tails of whatever rationale is being bandied about, but that they’re just going to wear a mask “because they say so”.
Their eventual goal is a population to whom they need give no explanation– “Lay down on the train-tracks” // “Sir, yes sir!” *eyeroll*

Russ
Russ
May 8, 2020 10:59 PM
Reply to  NowhereOH

The ridiculous back and forth in Ohio (and the US in general) about the effectiveness of masks boggles the mind. It’s only a slight exaggeration to say the line changes by the day. And then there’s the endless wrangling over whether anyone knows the right way to wear a mask, and what that “right way” is. The Mask Ritual clearly is nothing but a brainless exercise in brainless conformity and obedience. The only time I put one on is to enter a store that requires them, and I rip it off the second I’m out the door. Their eventual goal is a population to whom they need give no explanation– “Lay down on the train-tracks” // “Sir, yes sir!” I’m convinced if the media said people needed to blindfold themselves to keep the virus from entering through their eyes, many would comply without question. Well, they would in all seriousness… Read more »

elsewhere
elsewhere
May 9, 2020 3:17 AM
Reply to  Russ

The mask is also a (symbolic) muzzle, and they are working on the lip zipper…

Jean Wilson
Jean Wilson
May 9, 2020 3:43 AM
Reply to  elsewhere

at least this bizarre outfit plus sunglasses will fool the many facial recognition cameras trying to track/spy on us. also handy for the odd bit of looting. we do want to keep people safe you know.

NowhereOH
NowhereOH
May 9, 2020 12:02 PM
Reply to  Jean Wilson

at least this bizarre outfit plus sunglasses will fool the many facial recognition cameras trying to track/spy on us

Thank you for that silver lining. 😉

NowhereOH
NowhereOH
May 9, 2020 12:01 PM
Reply to  elsewhere

Oh, absolutely. It’s a litmus test. If you go into a store (that doesn’t require one) barefaced, the looks you can get are… interesting to say the least.
“It’s not one of us… kill it, kill it!” Like I’ve said, it’s like living in Invasion of the Body Snatchers. Come to think of it, I believe that laxidasical 2000’s remake with Nicole Kidman has them passing the infection along in the flu vaccine.

Herr Ringbone
Herr Ringbone
May 10, 2020 8:06 AM
Reply to  Russ

The Mask Ritual clearly is nothing but a brainless exercise in brainless conformity and obedience. The only time I put one on is to enter a store that requires them, and I rip it off the second I’m out the door.

Exhibit A for the decline of the West, and for why the 21st century belongs to Asia.

Are you one of those blokes who grimly chimp-swaggers his way through the rain, refraining from using an umbrella because it doesn’t look “tough”? Because your mates might have a bit of a giggle?

It’s OK, you know. Masks don’t harm your masculinity.

Cheezilla
Cheezilla
May 9, 2020 3:11 PM
Reply to  NowhereOH

Belgian minister models facemask. I can’t decide if he was being satirical!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UKa04H5NLt4

crank
crank
May 8, 2020 10:19 PM

Table of over 50 studies from around the world (PCR and serology). Average IFR is 0.28%. So about three times as nasty as common flu, but one thirtieth as nasty as what went on in 1918/1919.
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1zC3kW1sMu0sjnT_vP1sh4zL0tF6fIHbA6fcG5RQdqSc/htmlview?pru=AAABchl72Ys*ioqbzr7-CYWXVzRnYsbt5g#gid=0

Alex
Alex
May 9, 2020 12:08 AM
Reply to  crank

Brilliant, thank you

Kalen
Kalen
May 9, 2020 2:58 AM
Reply to  crank

If you count that up to 90% died with not because of SC2 you got IFR of around 0.1% like flu or much less. Add to it that empirical fact that SC2 is commonly killed by TCells , what explains near double numbers of asymptomatics, not only by specific antibodies after mild or severe symptoms occur, it clearly indicates that SC2 is in a ballpark between common cold and seasonal flu. I believe that most of deaths fear and panic denial of medical help because of lockdown among already very sick people diagnosed or undiagnosed is responsible for death toll which in no way is unprecedented in history while 20,000,000 officially and 60,000,000 unofficially unemployed including Gig economy and self employed in US is unprecedented in the History while bailed out to tune of $6trillions Wall Street celebrates. NASDAQ is positive fir this year already. It looks like one giant… Read more »

crank
crank
May 9, 2020 7:51 AM
Reply to  Kalen

Agree with most of that, although some of it could could be said of flu – e.g. that many of the elderly who die ‘from flu’ are simply at the end of their lives/ have co-morbidities etc. Covid cetainly seems less dangerous to younger people than flu.
The false coding of Covid death is probably the big scandal in the medical story, as documented so well on this site elsewhere.
The lockdown has nothing to do with the virus, and the ‘ballpark of flu’ figure of all these studies merely confirms that.

Croach
Croach
May 9, 2020 3:36 AM
Reply to  crank

It’s worth pointing out that 0.1 is the average flu IFR.
It can range significantly.
These days attempts to calculate flu IFRs are rather half-hearted or even non existent.
We rarely test anyone for flu strains unless there’s a coroner’s enquiry and we certainly don’t do sero-prevalence, antibody tests etc. with any real intent.
In the UK we don’t even bother to keep a comprehensive tally of yearly flu deaths.
We just say 17,000 on average and leave it at that.

crank
crank
May 9, 2020 7:52 AM
Reply to  Croach

Fair point.

tonyopmoc
tonyopmoc
May 8, 2020 10:19 PM

At times like these, it is so great to get a text from my Ex, who I haven’t seen for 40 years, except once about 10 years ago at a Festival in the pouring rain, before it had started on Sunday morning, when her bloke had dropped her off..wandering round in a thunderstorm What else could I do, except invite her into our tent, to meet my wife, who had spoken to her once before, when she answered my phone in 1981…they got on like a house on fire…and much more recently at a Hawkwind Gig at The Royal Albert Hall (We all look almost exactly the same) where did 40 years go… The girls ran away with the tickets laughing…together to have a good chat in The Girls. So I replied today mentioning Great Great Grandad WW1 and Great Grandad WW2… And said we had a completely brilliant day.… Read more »

Borncynic
Borncynic
May 8, 2020 10:04 PM

Whilst this is a good, well articulated article, it is repetitious of much of those that precede it of late. I feel like I’m reading the same piece over and over. The pseudoscience and media propaganda that pushes it must be well understood by the off’s readership by now. Time for some more focussed writing on sub-species covid topics rather than generalist round ups (eg Palantir/NHS tie up) .

Novicurious
Novicurious
May 8, 2020 11:36 PM
Reply to  Borncynic

I think it’s time to start talking about what we can do to counter what’s happening and what’s coming, to protect our civil liberties. Time to get organised. Time for plans.

Gerrard White
Gerrard White
May 9, 2020 2:41 PM
Reply to  Novicurious

Exactly

but this is a very difficult subject to discuss on the net or phone

People have been confined I understand and so unable to discuss much person to person

only face to face is this kind of discussion plausible

meanwhile of course it is possible to review history for examples of successful resistance

Lenin of course, but you might include the cubans

Novicurious
Novicurious
May 9, 2020 3:39 PM
Reply to  Gerrard White

It would help if there was a website similar to SPR that could keep an updated catalogue of (legal) action and challenges that have been initiated by people in different parts of the world – and outcomes thereof.

Gerrard White
Gerrard White
May 9, 2020 4:30 PM
Reply to  Novicurious

Well yes – but any discussion would have be wider ranging than that – even if you wished to couch it in terms of an study of similar situations through history to draw out the descriptions of effective or in effective resistance

I would say that the law has been tied up long ago

kevin king
kevin king
May 8, 2020 9:42 PM

Ferguson’s worthless paper on which he based his hoax figures https://www.imperial.ac.uk/media/imperial-college/medicine/sph/ide/gida-fellowships/Imperial-College-COVID19-NPI-modelling-16-03-2020.pdf On Page 5 they show a table where the infection fatality ratio is 0.002% for children and 0.006% for youngsters between 10 to 19. This number steadily in increases with age. Yet according to mainstream virology the reason we give children so many vaccines is because they are more susceptible to viruses and their immune system is not sufficiently developed. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4707740/ “Yet the immune system is relatively immature at birth and has to evolve during a life of exposure to multiple foreign challenges through childhood, via young and mature adulthood (including pregnancy), to the decline of old age” Logically the infection fatality ratio should be higher at the younger ages, dip in the middle and increase in old age. But they don’t. So clearly this model is as patently anti-scientific as you can get from the get go. To… Read more »