The World Desperately Needs the Wisdom of Bobby Kennedy Now More Than Ever
Matthew Ehret
Today’s fires which have spread across America in the wake of George Floyd’s murder at the knee of Minnesota police officer Derick Chauvin has presented America with the chance to do some serious soul searching.
It has also presented certain Deep State opportunists, color revolutionaries and anarchism-financing billionaires a chance to unleash what some are calling an “America’s Maidan” in the hopes of accomplishing what four years of Russiagate failed to do.
The fact that these riots have occurred at a moment when America finds itself seriously reviving the spirit of JFK’s space vision is an irony that in many ways parallels the earlier “pregnant moment” of 1968.
(In case you are not aware, NASA has officially revived manned space launches on May 28 for the first time since Obama killed the Constellation rocket program in 2011, establishing a new program to return to the Moon before going to Mars under the Artemis Program established in 2017. The Artemis Accords of May 15 lay out the framework for international cooperation in space closely dovetailing similar commitments made by Russia and China).
In 1968, the seeds of two opposing futures clashed for dominance in America and the world more broadly. On the one hand, humanity landed for the first time upon another celestial body and great hopes for a space-based economic system were felt by the entire world, while on the other hand race riots gripped America while an insane war in Vietnam was taking on a new anthrax-filled life ultimately killing over 50,000 young Americans and millions of Vietnamese.
In this dystopian nightmare, endless sums of money were absorbed into the American Military Industrial Complex that John Kennedy, Martin Luther King and Robert Kennedy had died resisting.
Faced with these two futures, the citizens of 1968 chose poorly, and acquiesced to be put onto a path of insanity as Martin Luther King’s Civil Rights Movement became replaced by FBI-funded radicals under Cointel Pro, America’s space program was atrophied with Apollo’s moon program being killed in 1973 and the Vietnam war destroyed the last remnants of patriotism in the hearts of young moral Americans.
Fortunately, the study of the past affords us more than simply reasons to be depressed by stories of assassination and failure.
Along with a proper sense of history, come the insights needed to prevent tragic choices and impulses from repeating themselves into the future, and with this fact in mind, it is important to observe the life of a particular non-tragic personality in America who overcame his fears in order to take to the stage of history, when others would not during a time of great crisis: Senator Robert Kennedy (aka: The man who should have been president), whose anniversary of assassination on June 5, 1968 is upon us.
Robert Kennedy as a Force in World History
While serving as Attorney General-first under the leadership of his brother John, then under Lyndon Johnson (until 1965), Robert Kennedy’s life was always defined by a strong commitment to peace, development and cooperation with justice for all races.
Exemplifying his intention to bring people into the process of historical change, Robert spoke to crowds in Apartheid South Africa in 1961 (after the ruling government refused to meet him) saying:
Few have the greatness to bend history itself, but each of us can work to change a small portion of events, and in the total of all those acts will be written the history of this generation. … It is from numberless acts of courage and belief such as these that human history is shaped.
Each time a man stands up for an ideal, or acts to improve the lot of others, or strikes out against injustice, he sends forth a tiny ripple of hope, and crossing each other from a million different centers of energy and daring, those ripples build a current which can sweep down the mightiest walls of oppression and resistance.
After quitting his job as Attorney General in 1965 in order to become a Senator and later presidential candidate, Kennedy focused his energy on reviving his brother’s Peace Corps, attacking the growing war in Vietnam, opposing racism at home and ending the despair of ghetto poverty that no one wished to look at.
In the midst of the July 1967 Detroit riots that resulted in 43 dead, 1189 injured and 2000 buildings destroyed, Robert was asked what he would do if he were president. In response RFK said that he would force the media to show all of America what life is really like in the Ghettos:
Let them show the sound, the feel, the hopelessness, and what it’s like to think you’ll never get out. Show a black teenager, told by some radio jingle to stay in school, looking at his older brother- who stayed in school who is out of a job.
Show the Mafia pushing narcotics; put a candid camera team in a ghetto school and watch what a rotten system of education it really is. Film a mother staying up all night to keep the rats from her baby… Then ask people to watch it… and experience what it was like to live in the most affluent society in history- without hope.
Later that Summer Martin Luther King and Bobby began a close collaboration, with Martin telling his associates that the Civil Rights Movement would put its full support behind Bobby in the run-up to the 1968 elections.
Bobby had earlier intervened into Martin Luther King’s October 1960 arrest in Atlanta for the crime of driving with an invalid licence in racist territory. Both leaders advanced civil rights on their respective paths during the next few years but their peak collaboration only began during the Summer of 1967 as both men made their resistance to the war in Vietnam known publicly.
In an interview on Face the Nation in November 1967, Bobby Kennedy gave a lesson to Americans that could have applied as easily to today’s regime change-crazed America, asking rhetorically:
Do we have the right in the United States to say we’re going to kill tens of thousands of people, make millions of people, as we have… refugees, kill women and children? I very seriously question whether we have that right… Those of us who stay in the United States, we must feel it when we use napalm, when a village is destroyed and civilians are killed. This is our responsibility.”
Martin Luther King’s untimely death on April 4, 1968 resulted in a new wave of urban race riots that took America by storm sweeping through 120 cities and resulting in 39 deaths (mostly black) and 2600 injured. Over 75 000 troops were deployed to the streets of America during this time of tension.
Bobby Kennedy was on a plane to a presidential campaign rally in Indianapolis when he received news of King’s murder and was advised by both the Indianapolis police chief and his own staff to cancel the rally for his own safety.
Not only did RFK not listen to this advice, but the statesman went straight into the ghettos of Indianapolis, stood on a flatbed truck and gave a speech to thousands of poor, broken hearted Americans who sat on a razors edge, as he delivered the news of King’s death.
Choosing to stand with the people totally unprotected, Robert’s words held such potent love and empathy that they cut through the anger and rage of the mob resulting in a miracle as Indianapolis became the only major city in which no riots occurred. If you have not yet listened to this speech, take the 6 minutes to do so now.
[A full transcript of the speech can be read here – ed.]
King’s close associate Ralph Abernathy reported to Arthur Schlesinger:
I was so despondent and frustrated at King’s death, I had to seriously ask myself- can this country be saved? I guess the thing that kept us going was that maybe Bobby Kennedy would come up with some answers for the country… I remember telling him he had a chance to be a prophet. But prophets get shot.”
Indeed, just one day after his victory of the democratic primaries in California on June 4, 1968, Bobby Kennedy was shot and killed at the Ambassador hotel in Los Angeles. Although a young Palestinian man named Sirhan Sirhan was made the lone scape goat, mountains of evidence accumulated over the years has pointed to a much darker story. Such evidence includes the findings of RFK’s coroner who proved that the killing bullet entered not from the front but rather at close range from the back of the neck.
Today’s world desperately needs citizens and statesmen with the wisdom of such figures as Martin Luther King Jr and Robert Kennedy if a similar tragedy will not unfold again today as it did in 1968. In those days, covert intelligence operations transplanted King’s Civil Rights movement with its effective use of civil yet peaceful disobedience, with the “New Left”, featuring armed and violence-prone operatives running bomb creating organizations like the Weather Underground that littered bombs (and STDs) across America. With the rise of the drug-loving anarchists of the new left who would later become leading figures of today’s sociopathic establishment, a new ethic was created on the basis of equating all aspects of western civilization (including the space program, atomic technology, the American constitution and western values more broadly) to be as evil as the war in Vietnam, corporate greed and the military-industrial complex.
So here we are once more, standing on the precipice of a new age of cooperation, space exploration and international development vs a Deep State-managed dystopian world order that would make Orwell turn in his grave.
If even a modicum of the wisdom expressed by MLK, JFK or Bobby Kennedy is alive in the heart of Donald Trump, and a few other world leaders, then I would say the chance of a bright future for mankind is not lost.
Originally published at Strategic Culture
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Awesome article .Thank you.
Bobby Kennedy? What is it with this site’s fetish for the Kennedys? It’s kind of ironic how a site that claims to debunk establishment propaganda fully embraces the “wisdom” of the Kennedys. Because there is no way the “Kennedy Legend” of heroic photogenic American leaders is a propaganda creation, right?
We don’t need any more of Bobby Kennedy’s wisdom. We are seeing far too much of it today already It was Kennedy’s wisdom to use a proxy army of terrorist mercenaries to attack Cuba in a regime change operation. That “wisdom” is still very much being emulated today as the US uses proxy armies of Al Queda terrorists to bring regime change in Syria. Bobby advocated using a false flag operation in Cuba. The excomm tapes have established that during the Cuban missile crisis he exclaimed. “Can’t we just sink the Maine again or something?” The OPWC whistle blowers have revealed that it was a false flag chemical attack that was used by the US to bomb Syria. We are seeing more of Bobby Kennedy’s version of wisdom in the US campaign against Venezuela.
What you’re trying to do here, cowardly, lying jew, in the non-existent face of opposition, is place Bobby Kennedy in the same paint-by-numbers slot as the scoundrels who’ve succeeded him. They’ve been in control of the Amerikan homeland since Bobby’s brother was assassinated, back in November, 1963. The Bobby Kennedy version of the 1964 Civil Rights Act, finalized and resting ‘in the wings’ awaiting the appropriate hour to submit to brother JFK for his endorsement, was seized in Nov. 1963 by the new administration that slithered into power under LBJ and handed off to the Commie jew-boyz at the American Civil Liberties Union. The great geniuses at ACLU back-wrote the work and passed it onto legislation as the 1964 version, signed, sealed and delivered. It was a blatant, resounding slap to the face of every white person in America! . . . A great calumny which has… Read more »
Excuse me, but you’re still in your teens, right?
The hope instilled by the civil rights movement and space programs was contrasted with the fear of nuclear annihilation in the Cold War. There should be hope today; unfortunately there is more reason for fear. For it turns out the Cold War was an age of peace (or relative peace). The pattern of history shows humanity moving towards total war – world war; most dangerous because world leaders do not see it. Governments must open their eyes, to see what is “needed to prevent tragic choices and impulses from repeating themselves into the future”.
https://www.ghostsofhistory.wordpress.com/
With these few words, the Defense rests:
https://m.youtube.com/watch?feature=youtu.be&v=ZBiH5fsKJB8
Your “defense” consists of unendurable drivel that proves my point. What most people believe to be true about Bobby Kennedy is a myth perpetrated by sycophantic historians. Robert Kennedy served as counsel to the thoroughly loathsome demagogue, Joe McCarthy. Joe McCarthy did immense damage to American society with Bobby by his side. So great was RFK’s love for the alcoholic degenerate that he named him as God Father to his first child. He remained a stead fast defender of McCarthy. He walked out during a speech given by Edward R Morrow, the man who exposed McCarthy for the monster that he was. As attorney general, Robert Kennedy had Martin Luther King wire tapped. No mention was made of that fact in the maudlin lyrics you have provided. The Kennedy’s brother’s obsession with Cuba did not end with John Kennedy’s Bay of Pigs fiasco. Bobby’s hatred of the Cuban revolution made… Read more »
Perhaps one day Dion will write a song about the murders Kennedy committed in Cuba when he headed “Operation Mongoose.” In addition to murdering Cubans,Operation Mongoose targeted civilian infrastructure such as bridges, sugar refineries and even schools. Shipments of sugar were poisoned and crops were destroyed. As part of Operation Mongoose, on multiple occasions, Robert Kennedy arranged assassination attempts against Castro. “Operation Mongoose can only be described as a campaign of terror. Not only were “wise Bobby’s” actions grossly immoral, they were egregious violations of international law. I urge those who have succumbed to the preposterous myth of “Camelot” to take the time to learn about Operation Mongoose and Bobby Kennedy’s role in it. The declassified documents revealed as the result of Freedom of Information requests tell a story that devastates the reputation of Robert Kennedy specifically as well as that of the American government.. The few participants in the… Read more »
Another visit of Langley disinfo, and at this late date on the thread, too!? I’m shocked, SHOCKED, I say! But not surprised. That hack work about Bobby and Cuba is such an ancient canard, and it always traces back to CIA. Money is no object with CIA disinfo. Because, well, that’s where it started. That traitorous villain William King Harvey was heading a black op for CIA working with Mafia in Miami for the quick trip to deploy them in Cuba, but he was doing so much against the law and his orders, Bobby got wind of it, fired him, and reassigned him to Rome. From there he made a covert trip to Dallas (again against policy). Early November 1963…. CIA still refuses to release his travel vouchers, etc. etc. Stonewalled! Almost 60 years later. His troll of a widow, C.G. Harvey can be found at youtube in an interview… Read more »
CIA disseminated horse apples, everybody knows that they will go as far as planting fake documents, and forging all the evidence. Where were you with this tripe when the thread started? All you “David”s here wait til the dust settles then pour the gasoline of your disinfo and drop a match as an SOP method to damage control the inspiration and truth about Bobby. Standard method. You come in late, leave early, strive for the best, ahem, “product” placement like SEO hacks by positioning your Scheiße at the top of the thread, all part of a half century campaign to damage control what CIA did. Its so obvious, but it really makes readers wonder, “What is SO important about what the Kennedys that you still feel such a need to carve them to pieces with the old planted lies over a half century later. Relentlessly. Oh, wait, I get it.… Read more »
The “wisdom” of Bobby Kennedy left much to be desired. Bobby served as Joe McCarthy’s right hand man and remained a close friend through his life. He ordered the wire tapping of Martin Luther King. Tapes revealed that during the Cuban missile crisis, he was an early advocate of launching an invasion of Cuba. He headed “Operation Mongoose” which was a campaign of terror and assassination against Cuba. His death by assassination has resulted in his being deified. “Bobby” in death has been thoroughly idealized. People are enamored with a myth and have little understanding of who the man really was.
ALL of that chatter is heavily-hyped CIA canards, regurgitated ralphingly forever, with small slivers of connection to reality, or at least select real events out of context, that US Intel and known associates then inflate with their usual steroids by their usual suspects.
Anyone who even just leafs through Jim Douglass book “JFK and the Unspeakable” ~~a student of Thomas Merton with 30 years of widely acclaimed research on this~~ will have had all the “vaccine” they’ll need this season.
The same Mob that murdered them have been fiddling with their stories forever, after the Assassinations, then comes the real character assassination. Typical Mafia.
But mercenaries pop up in profusion to work all the old saws. I’ve seen them all capably debunked just on this thread.
“People are enamored with a myth and have little understanding of who the man really was.”
See brief youtube link above and it will help show you the way to a better “understanding of who the man really is.”
Well, I will be the first to admit,”the unendurable drivel” is right! What you post is the Langley version, carefully cherry-picked to “put in the bad word” for the K bro’s. They farm out “work” there on this topic, Kennedy shortcomings, alleged or “documented”, to all points of the cybersphere. Don’t quit your day job. £4£&$4$+my2¢~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Anybody who has two facts to rub together on these subjects will see right through it, as do many here, to judge by the plethoras of down votes. So I needn’t reinvent the wheel. As far as the great Dion song, it proves my point: only the last few words are about Bobby. So you lied. Which is not only bad, but lazy, when you’re busy slurring the dead on his Anniversary. Typical! Youre like too many others today, you dissed the song without even listening to it, just a cheap xerox of Fox… Read more »
Excellent site. Love the information presented here unbiasedly.
We cannot sort out this racial problem by denying it exists, and not only racism of white on black, as it must be accepted there is plenty of black on white racism and violence also. The problem is economic, just as Bobby Kennedy said. Multiculturalism works fine in the well paid parts of society, like in Hollywood, or at the BBC or its American media counterparts, where everyone has a well paid job and respect and a nice safe place to live. But while we have a hugely economically repressed social group, that sees most of its young males as only having opportunities to get wealthy and respected via membership of drug or other criminal gangs, there cannot ever be any end to this racial problem. Only fairer sharing of any nation’s wealth is going to solve that problem, just as only fairer sharing of wealth… Read more »
Those are all values that are reflections of what Max Weber called a hundred years ago, “The Protestant Ethic and the Spirit of CAPITALISM” defining the spirit that has taken over the West as, well, based on material abundance, wealth really, as a metric of personal worth. “Relative comfort” is the paradigm, rather than a life of worthiness. It leads to the greatest spiritual poverty and to the likes of Putin calling our leaders “swine” and their satellite countries “swinelets”, if that’s a fair translation. Once again, it looks like Chesterton got to the Crux of our problem, with this aperçu: “For when once people begin to see prosperity as the reward of virtue, their next calamity is obvious. If prosperity is regarded as the reward of virtue, it will be regarded as the symptom of virtue.” And the kind of evisceration of real values that led *directly* to the… Read more »
John. You are a mine of fascinating insights. Mixing metaphors, you have a treasure trove of pearls of wisdom. The world is your oyster.
I sense some element of marine biology at play in those maxims, Hugh. GKC (as nuns call Chesterton) was an avid fan of Pope Leo XIII and I believe it was their influence on Rose Kennedy, who grew up in both their benevolent shadows, who instilled their worker and Thomist values into “her boys”. Bobby reaped perhaps the biggest harvest of what she had sown in them of all that, the Social Gospel, as tenaciously devout as she was. That whole ethos is well captured in the full quote of GKC, begun above and brought below full circle: “For when once people have begun to believe that prosperity is the reward of virtue, their next calamity is obvious. If prosperity is regarded as the reward of virtue it will be regarded as the symptom of virtue. Man will leave off the heavy task of making good men successful. He will… Read more »
This Wikipedia link is not too long, and I found it abundantly worth the time, in clarifying Chesterton’s pearl and Max Weber’s book (called the “fourth most important sociological book of the 20th Century”). Offered as a non-sectarian, non-parochial, non-denominational, scientific study and analysis by Max Weber:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Protestant_Ethic_and_the_Spirit_of_Capitalism
How about first establishing a re-distribution of the concept of agency ?
As the unwittingly great Dutch writer Ebru Umar wrote 20 years ago :
“I am responsible for my reaction to the limitations life heaps on me.”
She was referring at the time to problems with Moroccan youth in Amsterdam.
15 years later she had to move to a different city because of harassment.
For too long, the media has supplied an escape route from agency, and the likelihood that another King or Sowell will be given the room to come up is remote in the environment that has been created.
<3
https://youtu.be/JsWUJWQPlpE
https://www.strategic-culture.org/news/2020/06/05/revolution-us-needs-will-not-be-televised/
The focus that’s sorely needed. Would RFK be able to show us if he were here now?
The world desperately needs the wisdom of Dave McGowan, not another Kennedy.
https://centerforaninformedamerica.com/
Dave McGowan was brilliant. I followed him for many years. He got 9/11 on Day 1, and wrote about it the next day. He wrote about absolutely loads of stuff, and was an inspirational resource to me. I was gutted, when he got a very aggressive cancer, and died shortly later. I think it was probably natural, or as a result of the vast amount of tobacco he smoked. I would have loved to have met him. One of my favourite Americans ever. I caught some of his interviews too.
I am delighted his daughter Alissa has rebuilt his website, which he hand crafted from raw html, and is maintaining it.
What a lovely bloke.
Tony
Re Dave McGowan. I have not read, that much of his Laurel Canyon yet. However I still love the music of many of the musicians he wrote about. I have never been to the USA, but very nearly went when I was 24 and there was so much more, and I had lost my girlfriend in Manchester who I used to swap records with. I gave her my Led Zeppelin to borrow, and she gave me her Neil Young. Then she was gone. I have seen Neil Young many times since, and Alice Cooper is regularly on the Radio – Planet Rock (at least in England) I guess he does it from his home. So this is not David Coverdale “Ain’t no love in the heart of the City” who comes from very close to where my dad was born. This is Neil Young “Are You Ready… Read more »
totally agree on Dave McGowen. You really should read his Laurel Canyon stuff.
Heck, Day 1. I got that by the time of the second Twin Towers. And made phone calls to family, “This is an Inside Job.”
Now, Chris Carter, the originator of the X FILES. There’s a MENSCH.
He got 9/11 on 3/11, actually many months before that. The pilot episode of “The Lone Gunmen” a spin-off of X, was about CIA, and terrorists hijacking a jumbo jet and flying it into WTC, in this case averted with only seconds to spare!
But it was filmed months before it aired.
Chris, ex-surf mag editor, got it on Day T-minus 437. Thereabouts.
Our Jane Standley from The BBC, was even quicker than that. never met her, but I am almost certain I have met the bloke who leaked it, several years later – at a party in my house, but thought it impolite to ask him.
All the Quality journalists were fired from the BBC, when their gestapo noticed this had got through their censorship – many years ago. Some of the Ex BBC people we still know are very nice. Never worked there but have met some of them at music parties, where we live close to London.
“USS LIBERTY – BBC DOCUMENTARY”
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l9Qr8T8N3HU
Tony
Tony
Thanks for that about her. I’ll have to watch a lot of these clip ls out of season, as I have only my smartphone and it’s a messy deal, I’ll probably need to upgrade. Missing all these great videos alas. We (Cleveland Orchestra Chorus) went to GB in 97 and sang in some great venues, such as the Sheldonian. I took my rollerblades and became a spectacle, but I need them for reasons etc. Great way to see my old haunts in London though, where I’d lived in 76 a bit. Covered all my haunts in a couple hours, Nottinghill Gate and Portabello etc. Our last stop was Birmingham, and I was approached by another BBC Jane. Seymour I believe. She wanted to interview me for a BBC news item about rollerblading, and I thought, “Why not?” They asked to film me rolling down a steep hill off Victoria Square.… Read more »
Oh, if experience were only a more apt teacher. Churchill (who does not seem too popular here but has taught me some): “Life is fraught with opportunities to keep one’s mouth shut.”
Which is why I post: one safety valve for commentary not ready for ad lib! With what I see, if I had no outlet, there would be some kind of critical mass mishap eventually. (Like we had February 2011 at San Onofre Nuclear Generator 30 miles south. Another variation on the theme of 911. At least our protests ended when it got decommissioned!)
Donald Trump is NOT RFK or MLK. Not even remotely close. Holy cow.
His son, Robert Kennedy jr is also a very courageous individual who might, like his father, be putting his life on the line, this time by speaking out about the dangers of mass vaccination.
The guy LOVES vaccines! He’s said so in his own words! He’s not a “courageous” individual putting his life on the line!
You clearly have your facts wrong.
Facts? What facts? “”Reg”” possibly wouldn’t know a fact if it dropped out of Heaven and wiggled on his face.
“But that’s only my opinion, I could be wrong.”
(Dennis Miller tagline after rants. Him too. But with less accuracy in general.)
Bobby Kennedy jr is probably the most prominent campaigner on the dangers of vaccination in the US today. Most campaigners are actually the parents of vaccine damaged children and that is the case with Bobby too. Given his illustrious father and the still high prominence of his family, it makes highly placed to crticise US mass vaccination polices. It takes considerable courage to take the stand he does.
Many throughout throughout their clan are a force of nature, with countless gifts. It is edifying to see the kind of pushback they receive from dark places. His anti-vaxx voice is important. As they do when they reveal the hidden nature and designs of the assassinations, the conspiracy “theorists” show their worth and core usefulness when they illuminate the deeper self-interested motives of the vaxxers. Red flags, and someone with RFK’s very name, a sort of herald’s flag flown high and boldly without “anything much he can do about that” is going to gain notice and “a hearing” for these problems. With a wider public. What he does takes a lot of heart. Can you imagine wearing that name? Junior? In his father’s last days, Bobby made multiple trips to the “Indian” Reservations. He spent a number of visits with a 9 year old Lakota Sioux boy and his relatives,… Read more »
I think youi’re right about Bobby jr.’s heart but I guess that’s what happens when you see your own child’s prospects seriously curtailed through vaccine damage. Prominent people do stand up from time to time- Chaka Khan being one who was outraged at the change in her nephew following on of his shots. As for Jr., you could see it as giving an awful lot to live up to. I certainly have nothing whatsoever against his father, who at the time was seen by many of us a hero, but being basically apolitical, I had little investment in either him or his late brother Jack. Nevertheless, I was shocked to read the claim that Bobby sr. visited Marilyn Monroe on the night she died. It is claimed that she kept a diary in which she recorded pillow talk between the two prominent Kennedys but I guess we will never… Read more »
“I certainly have nothing whatsoever against his father, who at the time was seen by many of us a hero, but being basically apolitical, I had little investment in either him or his late brother Jack. Nevertheless, I was shocked to read the claim that Bobby sr. visited Marilyn Monroe on the night she died. It is claimed that she kept a diary in which she recorded pillow talk between the two prominent Kennedys but I guess we will never know for sure.” I don’t feel a need to mythologize the Kennedys, I simply take issue with many of the “smears” (whether true or false, I wasn’t behind closed doors, as is the case so often, “I guess we’ll never know”) especially sexual smears, which are so much from the realm of tabloid “carnavale” that they become in time almost risibly wearisome (“oh! another he said, she said, what a… Read more »
They were both public figures and many years later, they are still eulogised as may be seen in the eulogising on this page. I think it’s more than fair to suggest that there might well have been another side to them. Let’s face it none of us would wish to see our secret desires made public and when we are dealing with the likes of the Kennedies, the opportunity to make such desires public is going to be there.
DION: “ABRAHAM, MARTIN, AND JOHN” ~
https://m.youtube.com/watch?feature=youtu.be&v=ZBiH5fsKJB8
“Comments”
For a minute, I thought I’d ended up on Zerohedge.
Oh, well…
What do your words mean?
I love 0-hedge, for its comments section, some of their humorous comments are classic. I will admit it has declined as of late with blatant racism which spoils it, but i’m not happy with you brew, you made me thumbs up admins reply. You can’t possibly compare off-G with 0-hedge, that’s just nutz.
I certainly agree with that. 🐸
Clearly there are a lot of very cynical people reading this and the threads.
I would just remind everyone that Robert Kennedy died 52 years ago. The world and the United States was then a very different place. I don’t think you can compare his world directly with the world of today.
Robert Kennedy was an inspiring speaker, maybe he would have been an inspiring president and maybe the world would be the better for him.
Or maybe RFK, like Obama, would have been a great disappointment. We will never know.
I think we can know RFK vs. Obama. Obama wasn’t assassinated, proving his public words did not match his private actions. RFK died because his words were sincere.
Barry O Bomber aka Barry Sotoro was conceived in the services of the CIA for whom his mother “worked”. She was a second rate porno model back in the day and played the roll of honey trap in the infamous Opertion Northwoods caper.
https://theconservativetreehouse.com/2012/06/20/oh-my-ann-dunham-pictures-surface-president-barack-obamas-mom/
O ba ma is as fake as every word he ever uttered in his days of terror in the white House.
And Barry wasn’t born in the US.
For the USA to be deciding who rules the roost in other countries, I’m amazed at the issue of where Barry was born, which seems to be a THING for some Americans.
Oh the irony, it’s Exceptional……
Who GIVES a flying flock? It shows the depth of Reich social and political thought impoverishment, that they can take his birthplace so seriously for so long. Whether he came here two days before he was born or two days after, he’s totally American, at least way way more than all the Nazis who pretend they own the country, or its spirit. These are the same entrenched interests, since the Mayflower, that worship Nation at the expense of Principle. Nativists. Bill the Butcher Cutting is their bloody mascot in “Gangs of New York” Scorsese gave him these famous last words, as he fell beneath the knife of the son of “Priest Vallon” whom he’d killed long ago, for the lone crime of being an Irish Catholic immigrant: “At least I die a Native American”. These birthers are the same hypocrites, deluxe, who 150 years ago banned the Chinese born in… Read more »
“These birthers are the same hypocrites, deluxe, who 150 years ago banned the Chinese born in the lower 48 from U.S. citizenship under the bogus amendment of “The Chinese Exclusion Act.”
They’re not the same, but my meaning is all things being equal, it’s overwhelmingly the same mindset that was on display 150 years ago, or whenever. And its easy to see these prejudices are more often than not transgenerational.
So, if that shoe fits the “birthers,” they can wear it.
In short, “any ideological port in a storm” for that “Nativist” birther crowd.
Ah, another coda of the relentless drumbeat from our right. I thought it would never come….
Hey John, what did you think of Teddy fleeing that bridge over the water and leaving a woman to die in the car? Still sucking them off?
Ha, nice call! His nephew “also” followed in those footsteps. One wonders what’s not to love in a Scion like “John John”, who entered our collective memory saluting his father’s horse-drawn hearse, and who in exiting, stage Left, 36 years later, didn’t even rate a search and rescue from our generous MIC, until six hours after his small plane went down at sea??! Eerily like his black sheep aunt, Kathleen “Kick” Kennedy, Marchioness of Hartington, who died alongside 3 others in a similar small plane, in a “storm” in Southern France. And same verdict, “spatial disorientation” essentially, if you can believe Wikipedia’s bizarre description of the “accident”. A very odd account, and so detailed too — before black boxes. (She had briefly dated the recently departed David A. Rockefeller, in their years around London School of Economics, which Jack and Joe Jr. both attended.) Or, for that matter, the account… Read more »
As USAmerica has developed as a power structure, leaders who lead in sincerity become increasingly “men marked for assassination” –as Thomas Merton put it. His efforts bore the stamp of that as well, and his was a CIA-organized murder as well, in Burma later in the same year as RFK and MLK.
1968: “The Year of the Jackal”
(I woke up a few minutes ago, and glanced at the clock, here in California. Time and place suddenly convened: 1:45am, June 6! The very hour RFK passed, and not very many miles from here.)
I have a simewhat compassionate kind of view of Obama. It’s not unlike the take that Fidel Castro gave to press soon, days, after the 2008 Elections. He offered something g close to these words, in their gist: “It’s difficult to look at that warm and noble face and think that he will try to do anything other than bring the changes that are so needed in the U.S. But I have real doubts about how much he will be able to do, with the interests that are so deeply entrenched there.” And Fidel, whatever histories may try to say about him good or bad, was a pretty down judge of character. (Down~town. “Down with the HUD” as some say in the ‘hood.) I suspect the long-lived Fidel was spot-on. Yes, he had real ambitions, but limited to certain domestic changes, like ACA and major changes to health care accessibility,… Read more »
RFK died because his plans were threatening.
To entrenched power and its interests, especially all the worst kinds: mobster, bankster, gangster, drugs, warlords____________fill in the blank. A to Z.
He didn’t need the words, we did. It was his past deeds that showed he walked the talk, like his Congressional Inquisition of Organized Crime.
He was a crusader, after criminals like “a bat out of hell” as Talbot put it in his five years ago talk on the Ron Paul radio show (search “Ron Paul and David Talbot” and it’s all about these things, and dammed revealing too).
Unfortunately this is a finite planet and as the black gold (and the other fossil fuels) don’t come that cheap anymore the future is destined to be less bright …
Oil and gas are the cheapest they have ever been, and they come from deep below the earth’s surface. They are not fossil fuels, and there is no indication that they will run out. Wind and solar power, as now used, are completely dependent on oil and gas. Populations can survive without oil and gas, but only by going back several hundred years, using similar techniques, and similar population levels, which will mean mass genocide, which we are seeing the start of now. The only alternative solution would be rapid development of nuclear power, but no one seems interested in doing that. They would prefer to kill us off. As regards to exponential population growth, well when populations are relatively rich, stable and developed (eg indigenous Western civilisations), the birth rate goes much lower than replacement levels from 2.1 children per woman to 1.3. This is because populations feel safe.… Read more »
“Oil and gas are the cheapest they have ever been, and they come from deep below the earth’s surface. They are not fossil fuels.”
They are, Tony.
John, Until about 20 years ago, I too believed that oil was a fossil fuel. I then came across this website https://web.archive.org/web/20060406050328/http://dieoff.org/ It made complete and utter logical sense on the basis of the belief that oil was a fossil fuel, and would run out. For a week or so, it scared the hell out of me for the future of my children (and now grandchildren). So I started doing some research on the origins of oil. I had done physics and maths at a British University 50 years ago. Within a couple weeks I had proved to myself ( a bit like 9/11) that oil could not be a fossil fuel, because that theory did not conform with the most fundamental laws of physics and maths. Since then, I have posted bits of this research numerous times on the internet. Like the official story of 9/11 being impossible hardly… Read more »
Yes, Tony. You’re not a chemist. I am a chemist. And I studied chemistry at the University of Manchester in the 1980s. Not that that has any relevance here.
I don’t pretend to be an expert in physics.
Also on this thread we’ve got people trying to push the b/s that there were no moon landings. Do you agree with them too?
With respect, I’m tired of this. It’s enough having to deal with those fuckwitts in parliament who want to muzzle everyone who gets on a bus without having to deal with stuff like this.
I want to stuff their muzzles down their wretched throats.
Now. I need to take a break from all of this. I’m not here to upset anyone. I believe in free speech, but I have to believe that the world is round and that the moon is not made of cheese!
I spent some time at Manchester University too in the 1970’s but that was a side project.
re moon landings … how do you explain the slight zoom out and pan up, unless they left the cameraman on the moon? Don’t say they controlled it from Houston. The time lag is much too great to control the camera.
“Apollo 17 Liftoff from Moon – December 14, 1972”
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9HQfauGJaTs
Do you have a source for the fossil fuel claim?
I have studied the research for this for over 20 years, and can quote numerous sources at various different levels, both Russian and American. Most people will not understand the physics and maths, which goes into enormous detail…but I will just quote one source to start with..
“The Constraints of the Laws of Thermodynamics upon the Evolution of Hydrocarbons: The Prohibition of Hydrocarbon Genesis at Low Pressures.”
https://www.gasresources.net/ThrmcCnstrnts.htm
Tony
This is more accessible, and much older
“The Origins of Oil – falsely defined in 1892”
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5ja3VqOVDQs
Tony, I’m a chemist. I’m not buying into this.
I wouldn’t expect you to.
Meaning what exactly?
John,
Have you tried convincing a 50 year old Catholic Priest, that there is no historical evidence for the physical existence of Jesus Christ 2,000 years ago, and that the entire story, whilst basically morally true, is a much older recycled allegory endemic in other much older religions? I think I may have made some progress with him, but am hardly likely to with you, as you have already made up your mind about everything, and know you are right. Meanwhile I was trained as a scientist, and have changed my mind about numerous things on the basis of new information I have come across.
Of course there’s no evidence. He ascended bodily into Heaven. Talk about removing the evidence from the scene of a crime.
You may not be making progress with father. He probably is just practicing “self+mortification” by humouring you.
That’s a way some people have of showing they care.
“..the entire story, whilst basically morally true, is a much older recycled allegory endemic in other much older religions…”
The recycled allegory is what that older religion you’re thinking of (Judaism) calls “prophecy”
Isaiah is full of them, and Psalm 22.
At least that religious tradition got it right, anyway.
As one notable survivor of the endemic.
I’m pretty sure Tony is not thinking of Judaism. Rather the predominantly Egyptian solar religion whih was brutally suppressed by the Romans.
So Jesus is the sun of God as well as the son of God.
I feel you (both). I was just trying to be a good sport, which has never been my day job. As I posted, it came to me that Jesus ascended is just that, heading sunward as the true sun, the more “potent” spiritual sun. What’s the Xmas Carol sing, “Hark! The herald Angels etc etc: RISEN WITH HEALING IN HIS WINGS. That’s quite the synecdoche for sun. And on top of that, I thought of my good friend’s good friend (who d young and before I might have met her) Flannery O’Connor, a big fan of Aquinas and his Summa, although she said (as I feel) like a true artist, “I think we need a new synthesis.” She wrote a story, “EVERYTHING THAT RISES MUST CONVERGE” I thought of the many opiners who say Jesus was some syncretistic compilayion, an anthology of endrmic gods. But I always hold all recidivist… Read more »
Man, sorry for the typos: she DIED when I was young, and “I go all recidivist” the others are looking legible enough. For some bizarre reason this phone has spell check that treats us both like a hydra-headed monster. I correct even twice often, but it knows better, wrestling with me to the bitter end.
John.
Religion and science are two sides of the same coin. There is no conflict.
Are you aware that the ‘Big Bang’ theory was first formulated by a Catholic Priest, years before Edwin Hubble’s findings actually proved it?
Georges Lemaître was a Belgian Catholic priest, mathematician, astronomer, and professor of physics at the Catholic University of Louvain.
Before then (and for some time after) the cosmologists of the day argued that the Universe had been here ‘forever’ and there was no Creation. They even added a ‘miracle’ of their own, saying that Hydrogen just ‘spontaneously’ created itself!
“In my Father’s house are many mansions: if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you.”
John 14:2
All ways to find Truth are valid, aren’t they?
That’s a challenging idea. It has to do with preparation of the spirit. I’ve seen loved ones take that idea -all ways to find Truth are valid- and come to apparent ruin, but I do believe in freedom to choose. I believe though that under God we are all little children barely guessing our coming shape. However, I taught a little Catechism, and I believe strongly in well taught and well laid “moral foundations”. They do need wise teachers. Anyone who approaches good with a sincere heart, and above all is humble enough to accept necessary correction, I am sure will be guided. But I am very ignorant of so much, I would not offer much ex cathedra. What little I do know I don’t propound against objections, but merely move over or on, to more open ears. But it’s all a perilous path. Perseverance always with patience will lead… Read more »
Considering my other post, my answer is that “all ways that rise to the Truth are valid”. But many many don’t even set out that way. We all need to ask for discernment, and asking often it will be given often.
And people who don’t grasp that much will get broken up. I know I did, and I had to read the signs, and stoop down and pick up all the pieces. Ongoing.
And anyone who does that much will get soundly and roundly blessed.
As my CHIEF friend also says, “We won’t be happy in Heaven until we recognize our own personal Hell.”
Amen to that! Now that is solid!
More here:
https://www.britannica.com/biography/Georges-Lemaitre
Yes, I know a little, many many Jesuits, then you had the luminous Teilhard de Chardin, in our Pope’s SJ
And many others. I bemoan the day that science supposedly broke from religion, but I had a chemistry lab at 7 and then took a full mock-up of the first Mercury Capsule to 2nd Grade Show and Tell in 1959, and the teacher laughed me out of class, because I believed it was all real.
Sorry, I prefer the conventional view.
I could probably spend the rest of my life providing sources, but if you prefer to believe this rubbish then there is nothing I can do to persuade you otherwise is there?
How about providing just one? Tony has provided several. You write them off as just “rubbish” without any justification. Presumably you didn’t close your mind and stop learning after your chemistry degree in the 1980s. And even some of the things you learned then may well have been proved incorrect, or at least interpreted differently, in the 30-40 years since. To take another subject, geology or Earth Sciences, the concept of continental drift was scoffed at for the first half of the 20th century, only to be adopted under the name of plate tectonics around the 1960s. It hadn’t yet made it into the textbooks that my wife used in A level Geography in the late 1960s, but in the Earth Sciences OU MSc she is completing now, it is accepted as fact, although there are still some controversies in that area. (e.g. “mantle plumes” & “hotspots”).… Read more »
Population v Poverty = Red herring, it all results in unsustainable consumption of natural resources.
Although technically oil isn’t fossilized, its really just pedantry how you label it. The fact is the planets economy is built on it, is that why globalists seek to demonize it?
Its pretty volatile nasty stuff if you get embroiled in it! One thing is absolutely certain its finite.
“The elegant solution, is to bring the rest of the world up to the same levels of education and wealth as the West, rather than just deliberately killing nearly everyone.”
That Elegant Solution would be elegant indeed, and is at the very heart of that best of the Kennedy elegance.
And its Camelot Charisma. Yes!
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“It is my strong conviction that a realist conception of human nature should be made the servant of an ethic of progressive justice, and not turned into a bastion of conservatism, especially one which defends unjust privileges.”
~~Reinhild Niebuhr
USSA is built on genocide and lies. Gee I’m shocked….but the Kennedy Myth can save US? Mercans do not question dear leader & your elite guardians of the holy hubris bloated rotten apple pie on which you are fed. Listen not to these dissidents, malcontents & un-Amerikan non sheeple rabble rousers. Remember Pentacon Kill Industries, the Washing town whore house & its all mighty Zero 1% empowered psychopathic Satanists are in control. Do not doubt or falter or YOU TOO will be going on a permanent FEMA Punishment Park style sojourn. Now on your knees & let US prey & prey & then some. Remember o protoplasmic hopiated sons of Merca the sacred WASPish trinity of doctrinal tenets upon which the religion of the dogma of the Holy Hubris is erected. Reject those fractured fairy tales for morons and cynics deviating from the electronic sheeple pen lovingly erected by our… Read more »
(In case you are not aware, NASA has officially revived manned space launches on May 28 for the first time since Obama killed the Constellation rocket program in 2011, establishing a new program to return to the Moon before going to Mars under the Artemis Program established in 2017.He lost me right there. if you still endorse the lie slash programming of “moon landing” then you have been asleep at the wheel or are simply shilling for empire. Are you planning a trip to the Moon and you’re wondering what kinds of temperature you might experience. Well, you’re going to want to pack something to keep you warm, since the temperature of the Moon can dip down to -173°C during the night. Oh, but you’re going to want to keep some cool weather clothes too, since the temperature of the Moon in the day can rise to 127°C. But… Read more »
Oh dear…-1 and dropping. I guess a moonie must have wandered by and taken offence at my stomping on his moon delUSions…oh well…the non sheeple man’s burden must be schlepped.
The moon doesn’t rotate so if your at the same location there is little temperature variance…
I think whoever was responsible for the assasinations did what they set out to do. The world was waking up to what it had become, violent, destructive etc… The world if it carried on in my opinion with more and more leaders showing people the right way would have had some kind of new renaissance of love, peace etc.. but they got chaos, a new war, cold but they got one. A world of suspicion, hatred, anger. I used to think that whoever it was, wanted to destroy humans and leave the world to start again. But looking at events, all they lead to is chaos. Chaos seems to be the goal to me, whoever it is seems to thrive on seeing, riots, looting, shootings, destruction, people suffering. Is it some worldwide shiva cult? Is it some Dr evil in a secret lair muhuhahaing rubbing his/her hands together? Seeds of… Read more »
Order and chaos are just two sides of the same coin. You can’t have order without chaos, nor can you have chaos without order. The one defines the other.
Only down here. In this Creation. But “there will be a new Heaven and a new Earth”. And it is that on which Spirit builds a foundation of an indestructible Order of the union of love.
Go outside and look at a tree. It shows you how things evolve in this realm. The tree starts as as one trunk, eg highly ordered. As you go further up the tree(forward in time) it becomes more and more chaotic, splitting into many branches, going off in many different directions.
Things decay here. Things start highly ordered, as time goes by they become more chaotic. That seems to be the natural progression of everything here on Earth. .
Can only slow the progression to chaos…
That branching is complexity not disorder. You chose a particularly bad metaphor.
The murders of the Kennedys and the black political leadership was the re-engineering of a nation. It followed the repatriation of the NAZI project to the USA by the same institutions that had funded it in Germany. The corporate power structure is the protagonist and beneficiary with specific foundations in the driving seat. Focus on the crime not the conspiracy (thanks, Joerg!) Viewed as separate events, the deaths of the Kennedy brothers and son can be portrayed as “shit happens”. Yet shit happens to presidents and presidential candidates with strange regularity. That tells you about the ultimate nature of the American political system and who controls it. The offer you can’t refuse, comply or die, is the technique of the robber baron as much as the mafia. It’s no surprise that agencies working as an arm of the robber barons should co-operate so readily with the mafia. Yes, there… Read more »
Bobby didn’t hesitate to call direct grass root action “uncontrolled mob”.
You didn’t hear what the “mob” is saying? We can’t breath! Stop killing us!
How about uncontrolled breathing? How about taking of your collective knee off from our throat? How about not standing aside and telling us to go vote, to find yet another “leader”, while your Chauvinist thugs of systemic violence are suffocating us?
Typical steer manure. Bobby has become the real “cause célebre” as a deep state target, since recent findings on the conspiracy in his murder have pushed his message, his populist priorities (he directly took the torch for “Poor People’s Campaign” when MLK was felled) and all that is best in America to the fore. I’ve been hearing forever that he was an opportunist and it was all a photo op. Yeah, right. He spent days on Indian Reservations in the last months of his life, and was adopted by the Lakota Sioux with the given tribal name Brave Heart. On full display when he stood in a truck bed the evening MLK was shot and moved the crowds in the Indianapolis ghetto to tears, and Non-Violent, as noted in this piece. But reading has never been a strong point of his assassins, or his brother’s. Once they killed their bodies,… Read more »
In the Thurston Clarke history, “The Last Campaign” Bobby would go with George McGovern to all kinds of Indian Reservations in his state of South Dakota. His campaign advisors went nuts, “Bobby, we need to be in California, the Primary is in 2 months. TWO MONTHS! The Indian vote is like .01% of our potential voter base!” But Bobby would fly back to give talks to small groups whenever he could. This was very moving for me, since my patron saint is Kateri Tekakwitha, “Lily of the Mohawks”. One day he told a reporter on his campaign plane, as they were flying out of “Indian Country” words that tell that tale, “My campaign aides just don’t understand how much I love Indians, the bastards.” I was reading that book the very evening I heard on Pacifica Radio, about 830pm Election Night 2012, that Bobby’s grandson had been “called” as the… Read more »
Respect to Brave Heart, a fellow man.
However, personality cults and left authoritarianism are not viable answer to right authoritarianism.
Centering your hopes and actions around the search for yet another Great Leader to center around, only to have your leader to betray your hopes by getting killed, selling out or what ever, is not going to pull us through these interesting times.
With respect, I’ve addressed that several times on this thread, and often enough elsewhere here: the focus is not on the Kennedys; the primary target, as intended by those who chose to make them martyrs, it is their followers: to generate PTSD by one of the most grotesque crimes possible, among their supporters and then use that against them: sell them MKULTRA drugs, as did Timothy Leary, and other agents, direct propaganda of various flavors into their circles, etc. etc. And all the other psyops and harrassments du jour. (And then sundy AI provocations at websites, etc., of course, or just the usual.)
The pre-fabricated Theatre State.
And Voilà. Here we are. In 2020.
I chose Bobby because it’s his weekend, and his article. That much is in context?
There’s deep truth in what you say. But there’s no Great Conspiracy by some Evil Genious, just little men possessed by their possessions doing their little assassinations etc. everyday mundane murdering and looting for their most mindless pettiness, most hopeless short sighted gain. I think God is an Anarchist. God is, after all, the archetypal parent, sum of hopes and needs and trust of a child. In the cycle of life a child grows into adult, becomes a parent and dies to make way for new generation, so that God can evolve and learn and experience through forms of life. God cannot stay nailed into the cross of The Parent, the image that inner child of followers want to fix him, to be eternally sacrificed on the altar of Great Leader that a follower who refuses to grow up needs and recreates. Sacrifice is just a form… Read more »
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When are we going to realize leaders need us more than we need them. I hope my kids generation works it out. We’re not a good example. We need Bobby Kennedy? Give me a fucking break.
A sure sign of a troll is speaking of the dead on his Anniversary with a potty mouth.
More solid than any litmus tests.
You’ll see that the paid stooges who try shaming always show that kind of lack of shame. Where there is the one, there is the other. Such a giveaway. If you look at YouTube or articles in standard press about Sirhan you will see pages and pages of such literacy.
You could just ignore them, but I personally believe it helps to put it in starker relief.
I mean, 50 years later, after their murders?
Why all the fuss?
It’s SUCH a tipoff.
Have a go at my potty mouth all you like. I’ve forgotten more about the Kennedy murders than you will ever know and no one paid me. You want to glorify and follow the dead then go ahead. Knock yourself out.
You people are sillier than the SA “critics” who would show up in Germany’s 1930s theatres and throw vegetables at Bertolt Brecht and Kurt Weill during their plays. They were less laughable than you.
Your critiques have about as much depth and range and info as one of their rotten tomatoes. You’re just incredibly silly, I can go all over YouTube wherever the Kennedys are mentioned and scroll down through endless sewers of such feculent stuff. It’s amazing, it all sounds written by three or four besotted children. Seriously. You’ll be replaced by AI programs, and all things equal, they’ll probably be infected with the same silly comebacks. Somehow.
One even ponders whether the adversary is a ‘feep dake’? – If Eh Eye can gen er rate vids, then why not go lord of the rings on the T-Roll? Something fishy about the argument style, don’t you smell it?
For years and years they almost all share memes of cheap word choice, strangest syntax, graceless grammar, and toward the bottom of the foul barrel, frequent spasmodic fits of misspelling, peculiar punctuation, and right on down the list.
Some show all those symptoms of the “right” variants of troll disease (are there any other), but most are just milder symptoms.
But tell-tale.
The more sophisticated merely cover those atavistic tendencies more carefully, like werewolves under a waxing 🌒 moon.
Very cute spellings, but state of the art Eh Eye will decode homonyms, etc. Even dyslexic spellings, too lol
Young Pharaoh follows up with another hard-hitting, energetic analysis.
There are many serious flaws in this article, though its heart is in the right place. I don’t have the time to list its failures, but its one success is that it sees Bobby Kennedy as the champion of the poor and down-trodden, and an inspiring idealist. Few people have the immense courage of Jack or Bobby Kennedy. Both knew they were risking assassination but carried on regardless. Who among us could do likewise? It is beyond tragic that the majority of comments below are so full of hatred and ignorance: either these comments are the output of trolls, or they are genuine examples of people so ill-informed about their own history because of incessant CIA propaganda. It is beyond any doubt that the CIA murdered JFK and have been lying through their teeth ever since. Orwell’s warning “Whoever controls the past, controls the future” could not be more manifest.… Read more »
BOTH Kennedy brothers knew in the weeks before they were killed, that they were marked men with a bullseye drawn on each of their backs ~or, as brutal media coverage convincingly showed us, heads. But they soldiered on, as our too few leaders of true greatness that they were, like MLK. JFK had a sense of it in ’63, and spoke with close friends and his loved ones, but braved a trip to Dallas in spite of a number of close advisors warning him not to go. He soldiered on, as he had done so valiantly on PT-109. And Bobby is quoted in Thurston Clarke’s valuable book, “The Last Campaign” as telling family and associates, as well, something like, “Somehow I feel that there are guns between me and the White House.” (Read the book for the exact quote! Or, if you can’t, that’s close.) As indeed there were, “guns”.… Read more »
Anyone who’s on Epstein’s flight logs and/or in his little black book is automatically evil. Case in point: RFK Jr. Notice how these modern aristocrats have the “III” or “Jr” after their names? This guy’s nephew is Joe Kennedy III. He’s running for Senate from Massachusetts and he’s fully for mandatory vaccination. And uncle RFK Jr supports him! Uncle also supports Hillary! She’s is super pro-vaccine! It’s right out there in the open!
If you were to actually watch this video, you might learn something. For those of us who have watched it, or who know of the phenomenal work that RFK Jr. has done, we thus learn that you are dangerously ill-informed and ill-informing. Fool or knave – or both?
You are being led like lambs to the slaughterhouse. Good luck.
You are such an obvious flagrant naked team player for “The Other Side”. Hilarious. Good to know where you stand, or lie, it’s not a flare that goes up, it’s like that fireworks display I saw in Cannes, France, all summer 1974, that they set off from a flotilla of steamships and lit up the whole sky non-stop for hours.
Just like that, but just a little more visible.
You learn fucking nothing, Kennedy-worshipper.
Gosh, what an a- clown. You can’t add to the board without effbombing it.
So impressive. And invariably, like death and taxes, a certainty as to the nature of the post, and poster. Don’t hyperventilate from an inability to think and articulate in the same breath, we don’t want you to hurt yourself.
It helps our cause for all such individuals –paid traitors like Posner or McAdams, etc– to think this is about the Kennedys.
They were heroes, but not the correct focus of our inquiry.
This is all about saving our history from those who bludgeoned it with the same finesse they brought to the bludgeoning of the Kennedys and their families. Searching for true history and saving it from the bludgeoners.
That’s what patriots do.
I’m not done with you, boy. What the fuck was your RFK Jr doing with Epstein?
The world desperately needs to dump the Kennedys in the dustbin of history. Screw the “dynasty”. Screw their “mystique”. They’re NOT on our side.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oisntdEljnM
YouTube’s made it tough to look for the full version of this video.
Your comment is a classic smoking gun of trollism. With or without the confetti. You even use the same exact phrase a pimpificattisimo troll, Dave Barton used a couple years ago in OC WEEKLY, “dustbin of history” ~ which is no doubt at their site, a piece that that phony called “The Optical Illusion of JFK”. I pinned it up, as it was clearly another CIA-funded hit piece. Or close enough, we’ll let them bask in it. And now you use the same wording as our little local rag of a few years ago? Interesting. But shtoopid (That’s an old “Laugh-In gag from their era.) Such things serve to galvanize our energies, since the Kennedys lead now all the more, after their terrorist-led deaths, than even they could have best-case scenario led if they had lived. Hell, Bob Dylan was just the latest, and made an album out of it,… Read more »
Whatever, witless moron. Looking at Mr ’40 Affairs’ RFK Jr to lead you. If a guy screws with his wife, he’ll screw with you. Remember that.
Insanely insightful. Clown.
So nothing else to say, brain-dead idiot? Nothing about your boy being Epstein’s bitch?
You could both be making the same points, but better, without the ad hom. And more people might bother to read.
Sorry, I get a bit warm with these hero-worshippers. I’ll refrain from the curses.
Cheap over, standard in the SOP bag of trix.
for “over” read cover. If that’s not too “over,” some.
There’s nothing actually ad hom on my end. It’s all just science. If the two kinds of readers here can’t tell in the first two sentences of either side what is up, there is really no use for them reading on, so in the interests of brevity that’s one service. (Like Debussy who would most often give piano recitals to an audience of one, as often did my piano Prof after our lessons, I am entirely content with minimalist audience, or readership. And now that the comment space is collapsible, it takes up less scroll. When I do music performance, the ad hominem is strictly coded, and it’s one venue where it’s never been a problem. In fact, there my biggest adversaries often become my biggest supporters, as in, “John, cant you just stick to music, please!” Besides, the smaller the quantity, often the higher the quality. That’s a known… Read more »
Worth being aware of the divise nature of Dr. Shiva so you can draw your conclusions about this. Also worth being aware that saying you are not “anti-vaccine” is not the same as saying you are “pro-vaccine”. This is a manufactured polarity to setup emotion fuelled conflict and division as in so many other areas such as climate change that closes down any nuanced rational debate. It would be quite possible to have a vaccination program based on methods, quantities and timings that are related to true health promotion and the personal nature of the individual, including their or their guardian’s own decision on whether they wanted to accept all or any of them, that is currently a million miles from the corporatised, comodified, massive profit generating, liability free, science suppressing nature of current vaccine regimes. Take a look at this article from Robert Kennedy’s website to get… Read more »
I’m suspicious of Dr Shiva, but wonder why RFK has supported Hillary Clinton three times, with HRC being heavily funded by the Pig Pharma industry he otherwise rightly exposes. Do you have a feasible explanation?
All I want is to humbly follow the truth.
Then, Toby, be suspicious of a lawyer like RFK Jr. Their very nature is to use words to hoodwink you.
I am suspicious of RFK, or rather, sceptical about what he says. But that’s because I’m sceptical of everything and everyone. To the degree that I can, I follow the facts, no matter who speaks them or where they lead. When new facts come along that throw more light on the situation, I adjust accordingly. I’m not fervently against individual people per se – although Bill Gates does indeed trigger me – but against deliberate deception, mendacity, all that.
Well the simple answer would be the man is not infallible. It concerns me as well, but is something I can see as a grey area that does not outweigh his overall contribution. This is informative on how Hillary (and others) were still very open to investigating the vaccine agenda back in 2008 when he first endorsed her. https://www.salon.com/2008/05/05/vaccine_pandering/ And his endorsement in 2016 was quite nuanced on the back of his initial support for Sanders and his assessment that Sanders would affect her agenda positively. An error of judgement in my view that he now appears to have corrected. https://news.yahoo.com/robert-kennedy-jr-endorses-hillary-clinton-194331841.html I personally am not one to find any fault in a personality as a condemnation that outweighs all other positive aspects of their character. Having to classify everyone as either “good” or “bad” without accepting the nature of any and all of our complexities… Read more »
That Salon article is just dreadful. Clinton’s, Obama’s and McCain’s openness was likely just a move to attract a certain voter demographic – angry Moms. The problem we have is that we just don’t know. On the other hand, for RFK’s errors of judgement to be innocent – unlikely considering a lifetime in politics – does not speak highly either of his political acumen or of his moral fibre. And it’s worse for him, of course, if he’s cynically using his position to stymy radical change. What you say about overlooking the positives because of a few negatives is an important point, but the argument that people like Sanders and RFK are used to mop up radical dissent from areas like vaccine truth is compelling. My approach is simply to go with what’s true: To the degree that RFK’s efforts bring valuable truths to light, I’m all for them.… Read more »
Also appreciated. I would be interested on your thoughts around the lightning rod concept. Robert Kennedy is a focus of rejection of the current corrupted and injurious vaccine agenda and has taken much action within his power to that end, with his views opening up a lot of awareness and inspiring other’s actions. I am not sure this is in any way preventing real change from happening. What in your opinion would his absence allow to flourish?
My assessment is that in this case the proof will be in the pudding. Thus far, what I have learned is his endorsement of HRC three times and of his nephew more recently, both of whom are pro-vaccine and supported strongly by Big Pharma. For me, that’s not quite enough proof to condemn him as a shill or stooge or whatever in perpetuity, but that data is a red flag. A lightning rod is useful when lightning strikes, not so much when the storm is brewing. So his absence, in my view, would be on the whole negative for the movement at this point. Again, to the degree he brings hidden truths to light that would otherwise not be exposed, I am all for him. But in the end, neither my opinions nor beliefs matter. It’s all about the facts and getting those facts exposed and discussed as… Read more »
Buttar is a gopher. He came out with some New Age rubbish a while ago about turning the earth with the power of collective thought at 11am or 11pm on a Sunday. In that clip he was clearly implanting the message that life had changed and that we had better get used to it. And the way to do it was to send positive vibes out into the universe. His core message is don’t resist, just obey. RFK Jr is NOT against mandated vaccines. He has said with stunning clarity that he is all for vaccines. He is playing a game. He wants to keeps his uncle’s vaccine courts. He is in bed, in a manner of speaking, with Hillary. Hillary and Gates are both for mandated vaccines. It’s not Dr Shiva who’s being divisive, it’s celebrities like RFK Jr who want to take over a movement and lead it… Read more »
Buttar is about:”Vaccines are wonderful and healthy if we make
the effort to use them in an intelligent and correct way!”
But he fails to mention the risks in application and the lack
of doubleblind test programs, the lack of testing period.
https://blog.nomorefakenews.com/2020/06/03/dangerous-nano-particles-contaminating-many-vaccines/
Also, what is with all the hindu’s lately?
La Trudeaux has also teamed up with a hindu/sikh for profit and corruption.
Exactly. And I challenge anyone to tell me they’re fine with injecting bits of aborted foetuses, mercury, aluminium, formaldehyde and other shite into their little kids. Go on then, I dare you!
Wow, a lot of hate in the comments below, so much that it turns a man with 2 eyes off continuing.
This is an identity politics free zone please report to your sergeant for further training.
Wow, Agent 77, so canny and cagey: “Pay no attention to the 77 wizards behind the curtain…
PAY NO ATTENTION TO THE WIZARDS BEHIND THE….
Lather, rinse, repeat.
Your in-house doctor sez “take 2 truth serums and call me in the morning.”
Yeah, in relation to the title, my favorite RFK quote; “I found out something I never knew. I found out that my world was not the real world.”
What was impressive about Bobby, unlike losers, he would see a hope crushed or a dream dashed, and get back up, dust himself off, and learn and grow, and grow spiritually. Out of the crushing instrument of torture that was his brother’s assassination, he came out stronger and kept on growing. It’s hard to tell what his ceiling was, he was showing us such great gifts. He was very blessed…. IS. When I met my future brother-in-law in 1971 he told us a harrowing tale of how he’d driven his VW van under a big rig truck on our L.A. freeways. Those vintage German death traps (I drove 3) had almost no reinforcement beyond a little metal in the front, and he “woke up” from the wreck an hour later, with a fireman using a blowtorch deftly to disentangle Rick’s mangled legs from the metal, and a priest giving him… Read more »
Since the article below was posted today by Bobby Kennedy’s son, RFK Jr at his Children’s Health website – I figure it is appropriate to share it with this article about his father.
The article is an up to date analysis of the Covid data now compiled – which results in the complete destruction of the MSM narratives on Covid. It is very much worth reading.
https://childrenshealthdefense.org/news/lockdown-lunacy-the-thinking-persons-guide/?utm_source=salsa&eType=EmailBlastContent&eId=fb4def25-9094-4036-b0bc-affc7582badc
RFK Jr is a pied piper. His job is to deceive you. He is like Bernie Sanders. Says all the right things but when the time comes, he will brutally screw you. He is an Establishment tool. He is there to make sure your anger is dissipated and drained away safely. He is not one of the people, he is a Kennedy. They look down on ordinary people. That Kennedy “mystique” deserves to be mercilessly, brutally shattered so that it never rears its ugly head again.
Thanks Gary. What a superb paper. RFK Jr. is a huge credit to both Jack and Bobby.
Hugh – there is really nothing like a positive article (or comment) about ANY of the Kennedy’s to bring out that uber-strange combination of deep state trolls and just the usual foaming at the mouth brigade. 🙂
Evening Gary. Their vitriol, bile and hatred is quite shocking even 52 years after he died. There are some very sick and depraved souls around. Maybe Off-guardian should employ an exorcist. Its a tough call having to feel compassion for them, but at least it arrests the descent into madness if one party can remain sane, polite and forgiving. Kill them with kindness?
The biggest difference with the new manned NASA missions, in contrast to the old missions, is that this time the CGI will be much much better, so any landings on the moon will look real this time around.
Apart from that it will be a hoax like the landings in the 60’s to cover up for a failing US military, which has fallen behind Russia again in Rocket technology, Missile defence, aircraft and hypersonic ICBM’s.
Whenever the US fails at anything, like space, just wait a few months and a solution will suddenly appear to make it seem like the USA is doing well again. We all need our own private little CIA to make stuff better for us when we fuck up.
The Kennedys and the Kings and the Gandhis and the Mandelas and the Churchills and their ilk were just silver tongued shysters, grifters and con men, out for what they could get, retrospectively canonised in carefully crafted created legends and fantasies. None of these figures could bear too much scrutiny of their real character and habits.
Kennedy (J) was walking around high as a kite with his trousers permanently round his ankles. All working together, Slick Willie, Trump, Creepy Joe and Epstein couldn’t hold a candle to him. You could say much the same about all of them. Yet we are required to hero worship these characters.
Was a zionist!
I have no issue with jews, they just don’t figure in my daily life its unimportant to me. I don’t even have an issue with AN Israel, as long as it doesn’t take over already occupied land.
Its the principle behind Zionism & the kind thinking behind it, that I take Issue with, its based on one group believing they are somehow entitled & superior to everyone else.
So what does being a zionist say about Robert Kennedy, I’ve never bought into the hero worship of the Kennedy’s!
A SIMILAR UNFORTUNATE FATE It’s not wise to mythologize historical figures, especially politicians inasmuch as their lives are usually too complex and nuanced to glorify. That’s particularly the case for JFK and RFK whose politics were not always as enlightened as some would think. An example of this was their affection for Joe McCarthy: “The ties with Bobby were forged when Joe McCarthy gave RFK a job as minority counsel to his Senate committee investigating domestic communism. Though RFK would later have an intense falling out with McCarthy’s other counsel Roy Cohn, the younger Kennedy brother would maintain a deep loyalty to McCarthy.” It was old man Joe Kennedy who admired Joe McCarthy. In fact, it was ambitious Joe Kennedy who wanted JFK to become president. That objective was achieved through Joe Kennedy’s insidious deals with the Chicago mob. You would think JFK and RFK would’ve known about their father’s wily Mafia transactions,… Read more »
Charlotte. I suspect that even you have swallowed too much propaganda. I would suggest that you read David Nasaw’s biography of Joseph Kennedy “The Patriarch”. Do you really believe that Bobby could attack the mob that was in collusion with his own father? Really? The CIA narrative would have you believe all manner of dirt, which is very much like the proverb about seeing the speck in your brother’s eye despite the plank in your own. Your “…Many said RFK’s attack against the mob lead to his brother’s assassination….” is a prime example of nonsense. The ‘many’ in this instance might be the CIA under Operation Mockingbird. But even if ‘many’ says so, does that make it true? Edgar Hoover was in the pay of the Mob and even until the 60s denied that organised crime even existed. Doh! So Hoover wold be no friend of Bobby’s. Likewise, when JFK swore… Read more »
JFK’S assassination was a CIA/mobster combined operation. Jack Ruby was deployed to eliminate Oswald…….
Thanks, Hugh, for bringing out Nasaw. His scholarship is widely respected. Joe imported legally more Scotch than anybody, so he had slim need to bootleg, and all the rest. The source of the Mafia smear is Frank Costello. Period. And yet people are throwing that in my face forever, it’s the Right’s one trick pony. It seems now to be one way or another the one size fits all. Ludicrous. It’s all buttressed by planted disinfo thru CIA. They do it like the yellow cake uranium scam under Condoleeeeza and W. None of the Cuba stuff has even a shredded shred of substance, for those who know the subject somewhat.
That is all really old news. I get a comeback everytime about Joe Sr. that he was a bootlegger. Just for starters.
It’s not informed commentary. All the real scholarship says so. In “The Patriarch” that scholar debunks all that about Joe Sr.
Problem is, there are such oceans of hooey dumped on the Kennedy histories. I’ve made it easy: if it’s a smear, if somebody is putting in “the bad word” for the ol’ Kennedys, it’s probably just another (character) assassination du jour.
They come in ALL flavors, when it comes to them.
It’s truly amazing. There are reasons: the forces behind it are still hiring armies of trolls, because they know if the truth comes out the whole house of cards comes down.
But SIXTY years later? Wow.
Start doing better research.
Oh snap
That’s been my take for decades living and watching it. CIA and Allies (lots of Spooks) is worse than “Invasion of the Body Snatchers” or some Alien Virus (think the black oil of X Files, which works great).
They infiltrate, harrass, slowly recuperate, in the end they eviscerate and replace it with their own pods.
It’s disgusting and practically at the very root of what’s wrong.
Look for it everywhere 24/7, funded by The Philanthropists.
An obsene Methodology for eating the World, and whatever it can.
Especially Labor and the Arts. That’s what Angleton meant in abandoning us to a Wilderness of Mirrors. Conflation of Simulacra. He died believing the CIA “early eminences” were all “deservedly belonging in Hell.”
Saying, “I guess I will see them there soon.’
Whatever, who can trust what he ever said.
But he sure left us ALL holding a bag of snakes.
“To return to the moon” implies that you’ve been there before.
A definite implication. When different nations talk of placing a man on Mars be certain this is nonsense and that they are collaborating to fool the pathetic sheep of this world.
From speech by Kennedy to landing on the moon in only 7 years. It is incredible that scientists don’t question it. when it is such an obvious fraud.
Sure, Bobby and JFK weren’t from the most righteous backgrounds, but they must’ve known what they were trying to do would put their lives on the line.
God does raise up and inspire good leaders.
The article was an attempt at optimism in a deeply pessimistic era it appears for the USA yet the replies are steeped in the old hate and misery that goes on and on…when will some people stop ruminating about the past and start to see that life is not something that happens…life begins in the here and now with each one of us today…
They won’t stop.
God alone can stop them. I hope he stops the acts of illness by healing them.
That’s the best way.
RFK was a mean spirited Jesuitical bastard blessed with good looks and great speech writers. Jimmy Hoffa did far more for the American working man than RFK, whose need for vengeance against the deep state that assassinated his brother ensured that he would never by POTUS. The same deep state that signed off on RFK’s desire as attorney generals to rid America of Mr Hoffa. The hypocrisy in this was and remains monumental.
ALL the bad press against them is just old old CIA canards, put out at Langley like they print mad money here.
Everybody knows that. Except those online mercenaries who are trained not to. LOL
I dont know how valid it is to get misty eyed about the Kennedy’s though its generally accepted that the Kennedy’s were better than the others on offer. However if Bobby Kennedy is so much of a hero, and I have seen plenty of US shows and films for that message (propaganda?) to be the case, therefore I am certainly impressed by his son RFK Jr and what he has to say on the corona hoax, how bad vaccines are and the incoming technocracy. He doesnt (appear) to get involved with identitarian politics, called CNN fake news and been the main person leading the anti vaxx movement in the US for some time. If we lived in a sane world this man could have been president, but as we all know we live in a nasty world where we cant have good things. Despite that I think Bobby Kennedy would… Read more »
Being a prescription drug junkie he is well versed in the hypocrisy his clan often embraced.
RFK Jr is a fraud. Like Bernie Sanders. Look, mate, just turn your back on the Kennedy “mystique”. You don’t need it to guide you in your life. These people are the elite. They have big houses in Hyannis Port and mingle with people who look down on you. His uncle Ted walked away from a dying girl trapped in a car. You wouldn’t be able to pull that off. Fuck the Kennedys.
https://rfkexposed.com/
‘its generally accepted that the Kennedy’s were better than the others on offer’
Maybe you should read Schlesinger on RFK, or perhaps RFK’s “13 Days. A Memoir of the Cuban Missile Crisis”. Bobby was fearless and was no fool. He knew that the MIC had murdered his brother and had to tread a very difficult path. Despite that, he put his life on the line because he believed that people are inherently good. Such idealism is to the CIA what Holy Water, Sunlight, crucifixes and garlic are to Dracula.
🤗😅
“Such idealism is to the CIA what Holy Water, Sunlight, crucifixes and garlic are to Dracula.”
That’s a classic.
This hagiography of Robert Kennedy is not at all realistic. The exaltation began in the early 1970s, born out of sentimentality prompted by the despair of the Nixon years. If the truth be told, though, he was not that well received while he was alive. Until near the end he was dismissive of liberals or leftists (as being politically suicidal) but he did rise to the occasion, in some respects, during his presidential campaign. One is not supposed to say this, but he was the predecessor to Hillary Clinton in being uncritically adored by black Americans. I can only theorize about this, but I think it has to do with an oppressed minority looking desperately for heroes, and not being generally well informed, and latching on to someone with a familiar name associated — accurately or not — with being a heroic ally. But, as mentioned before, he… Read more »
Starts out well then devolves into cheer-leading ?
Maybe you need to read of the battles that Jack and Bobby had to wage to ensure that black students could attend hitherto white only universities. Or Jack Kennedy’s TV speech on June 12th 1963 as the direct father to the speech that RFK made announcing the death of MLK. As always, simply read Douglass “JFK & The Unspeakable”
He was an associate of Joe McCarthy although he clashed with Roy Cohn. In the 50s certainly he actually helped persecute liberals and leftists.
My earliest memory of a news event (other than a certain background awareness of the Vietnam War) was Robert Kennedy’s portrait appearing on the TV like a test card when he was assassinated (I was born earlier in the 1960s).
Born in Canada in 1960, my second memory in life was JFK having his brains shot out repeatedly on TV. It was confusing but the adults seemed quite agitated about it.
Such sincerity is admirable. Its like Wikipedia in its header paragraphs on Sirhan’s pages says something like, “Scholars believe the assassination was the first instance of Middle-Eastern terrorism on American soil” about Sirhan, a Greek Orthodox Christian who went to High School (and Junior High) in L.A. and then Pasadena City College nearby! All his friends, family, and acquaintances say he almost never talked politics or any of that, leading up to the murder. And as far as the bomber jets, all the candidates were talking about aid to Israel, Bobby want even very vocal about it. That was all a CIA veneer that was lacquered on later. And most or almost all of it was implanted in Sirhan’s mind by hypno-programming. That actually has been rather well-documented in CIA ROGUES and a number of other by investigators and affiliated scholars. All a black op & psyop. Find out about… Read more »
I remember Robert Kennedy standing on a car in South Africa speaking to a big croud. I was impressed at what he said and with such sincerity.. He and his brother would have changed the course of America .
You don’t get more deep state than the Kennedy monsters. Today they are fully exposed by actual historical *facts* but off-guardian assumes the vast majority of its readers never stray from the mainstream narrative. Here’s a clue for the clueless. Just as apartheid was always going to end in South Africa regardless, and the ‘troubles’ were always going to end in NI, the laws discriminating against ‘blacks’ were always going to end in the USA (and be replaced with discrimination at a more subtle, non-‘legal’ level). Sheeple are told that deep state *puppets* are responsible for great social changes- they are never told these changes are inevitable because how the deep state is *evolving* societies all the time. But the trick is this: Take slavery. When the industrial revolution and the structures resulting from the same make slavery *counter-productive* to the deep state, the deep state suddenly… Read more »
When you write, “On the one hand, humanity landed for the first time upon another celestial body”, this was not the first time humanity landed on the moon. There was a pre-deluvial civilization who colonised the moon. There are building remnants still there but curiously we are not being told about it.
At the time I believed that we put a man on the moon , now I do not.
I think we did, it was a real landing but a lot of the film we are shown of this is fake. They removed all the stuff they did not want us to see.
If it wasn’t real, Russia had easily enough telemetry and the rest to debunk it. It’s doable, so why not take it as real.
In which case how do we know about it?
For those questioning US casualties, it was a little over 50 000. This article mentioning CV-19 in comparision. From memory, they lost half in just two years, late 60s but this can be verified.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/theconversatio
n.com/amp/death-by-numbers-how-vietnam-war-and-coronavirus-changed-the-way-we-mourn-137675
The flu epidemic of 1968-69 killed 100000 stateside and received almost no media coverage? US casualties in Vietnam are are generally agreed to have been around 58000 over 10 years, the number of names on their monument in DC. In that era 55000 died in car crashes in America per annum.
Surely you mean Bobby Robson?
Bobby Kennedy was every bit as sociopathic as those he condemned. Though he might have genuinely believed the words that came out of his mouth, he was just too stupid to understand how the world works. Delusions of grandeur got the better of him and he was disposed of accordingly.
My favourite scene in the Sopranos is in a grand church with the usual characters dressed in their finest clothes. The John Cooper Clark song ‘Chicken Town’ starts playing. Chicken Town is where the lowest of the low live. That’s who these people really are. Thugs and gangsters.
The Kennedys were too stupid to realise that not everyone thought they were the royal family of Camelot.
https://youtu.be/alkM5RCIHuw?t=24
You do not get more *deep state* than articles telling you to hero worship some politician from the fake left or fake right. Off-guardian is most often Barely-off-Guardian. I puzzle at this- but the partnership this site has with the fully compromised ZeroHedge is very telling.
Don’t bother coming here to read the articles then if this is the way you feel … you still have some freedom left!
What partnership with Zero Hedge?
I went to a British Socialist Workers Party meeting about the time the film Hoffa came out. What interested me was that for the SWP Hoffa was at least something of a hero – workers’ leader etc. – while Kennedy was a villain. They downplayed Hoffa’s links to organised crime. In fact Trotskyists had had something of a footing in the Teamsters’ Union until they were displaced by a combination of red-baiting and organised crime, the latter possibly more acceptable to the powers that be than reds. I personally find neither Hoffa nor Kennedy particularly appetising.
Yeah, like Reagan or W or Trump are scholars. They make Bobbyook like Isaac Newton. At least.
The article says “over 500,000” Americans died in Vietnam war. Shouldn’t this read “over 50,000” ?
An order of magnitude smaller is not trivial and more accurately highlights the disparity in casualties
The number of post-war suicides amongst the soldiers were shocking enough.
WW2 produced the most suicides due to melancholia when it became obvious that the fascists had won, as Korea was invaded , and the policy of perpetual war began…
I spoke with S. Brian Willson in ’88 after he had recently lost his legs and he and his partner both avowed that 250,000 vets had committed suicide by then, and he underscored that it was a conservative estimate, since many had disappeared into forests, etc, like John Lithgow in “Kissing Trains”
Conversely an estimated 4 million south east Asians were killed mainly by the massive air strikes/bombings according to McNamara’s, and he was a pretty good statistician.
Thank you for this thought provoking article offg.
I’m only sorry I seem to be the only person here tonight to appreciate it !
You’re not the only one.
Problem is, the psychos from 77th Brigade, et al, are now all steaming over this site.
The 77th Brigade, et al, are all a complete bunch of whack jobs, and they know that one day they could all be put on trial.
I’m always happy to give even whack jobs the right of reply. So come on 77th Brigade, you little twats, let’s see if you’ve got the balls to take on the likes of me.
Otherwise go home to Mummy.
I certainly appreciate this unique and interesting dialogue but lack knowledge to intelligently comment on it John. Do continue.
Many will remember Andrew Lawrence’s videos posing as a policeman and telling us all what’s what – the link below shows him in conversation with the guys from Triggernometry and highlights the difficulties he’s faced in the ‘comedy community’ – it’s difficult to watch because he’s so intense but the points he makes are valid, more so than this article ever could be: I’m taking a risk posting it yet it is worth watching. For my part, I have today found out directly from a GP that my health difficulties are not worthy of further consideration – I can remain in 24/7 pain and discomfort – that I cannot have an x-ray or scan because they are only for ’emergencies’ currently and not for ongoing diagnostics and possible treatment. I can have a telephone session with a physiotherapist next week that may help, otherwise there’s nothing else.… Read more »
“just how many problems of ‘others’ are we supposed to take on”
Presumably yours since you are telling everyone about them.
The writer is entitled to his views and I largely agree with him.
I sympathise with your predicament, but I am also a little irritated by your posting which is for the most part completely irrelevant to the article.
My life is fairly shit as well just now. I am single. I live alone. Looks like it’s going to stay that way now we are all living in Boris’ cloud cuckoo land.
But I like Robert Kennedy and despite his brother and his father he strikes me as a man of principle and integrity who might have made a difference.
PS, bob, if you read this. I apologise if I sounded a bit ratty.
The Johnson regime is driving me round the bend with it’s idiotic rules.
I hope you find some relief from your pain.
So many seem to think this is a Beauty Pageant among the Kennedys, but it is US who were the targets. That’s a typical Nazi and Freemason trick (see the CristerobWrsrs) to slaughter a charismatic leader and symbol in the most terroristic way available, then let his followers develop various doses and levels of PTSD, then when their minds have been softened up, move in a few years later to sell them drugs to help them convalesce, especially dispatch Timothy Leary to big rock concerts everywhere with Nazi/CIA LSD. FREEEEE!
As my man Dave Emory likes to say, “It’s *almost* Satanic.
Sorry, line 4: CRISTERO WARS. 1925 Mexico.
“The fiercest persecution of religion since Elizabeth”. ~Graham Greene (author of “The Power and the Glory”.
You can take it or leave it.
I wonder if He has watched the “Joker” movie…
I agree with Him so much…
That people find Leigh Francis ‘funny’ never ceases to amaze me.
Nish Cumar- Vile.
Catherine Ryan – Vile unfunny Canuck, go back to Canuck.
Etc Etc…
Graham Norton quote…”Hey everbody, look at this small dogs heinous, it looks just like Donald Trump”…oh, ha ha.
How is not being in constant pain not being in need of consideration? I confess openly now for which I could be shamed and arrested… I have written “fuck the NHS” on a subway wall.. and I have cackhandedly tried to scrawl over it because I have some respect for decency… however… what is decent about denying people treatment… it’s a shame I will never be able to play Harold Arlen’s song again. I wish you all the best.
Voluntary treatment, I hasten to add!
Too true Spaniel I watched someone doing surprisingly well with chemotherapy sink down after the lockdown stopped his treatment. Fuck them the NHS should have resisted rather than fuck about dancing and loving themselves.
Furthermore that respect for decency gives them the drop on us.
Like all institutions there’s good and bad, however… “the institute’s debased” (from a contemporary song).
not to mention David Noakes in prison….
I feel your pain Bob. Literally. And I find refusal of treatment tends to make me slightly homicidal. Perhaps I am overcompensating.
It is reported, that after He was shot and lay dying on the ground, Bobby Kennedy’s concern was for others, He asked ‘if everyone else was okay’.
I agree with what you said at first, but I don’t understand the purpose of the stuff underneath it in quotation marks. What was your point?
The formating didn’t quite work out as I intended, but it is a song by Bob Marley & The Wailers – Redemption Song…It just struck a chord, so to speak with this post about B.K…’how long shall they kill our prophets’. This was a charge that Christ laid against those who would go on to crucify Him. They’re still doing it today.
But, the song reminds us all that freedom is from within not without and to have faith in God’s plans.
Thank you.
It was reported wrongly.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yv5xonFSC4c
That’s exactly right. He asked “Is Paul (Schrade) OK? Is everybody OK?” He had a bullet tearing up his brain, and his last words were all about the others. That’s an historical fact. He died in the hospital where I was born, Good Samaritan, downtown LA. A favorite priest of mine I met 20 years later, was walking by the hotel and saw the panic and asked where they took him, and arrived there to give him Last Rites. Father Peacha.
Bobby was a MENSCH.
The people here who say otherwise are maggots, or in danger of succumbing to that tasty maggot Koolaid.
Kennedy was every bit a war criminal like every US President since WWI perhaps even longer, that would make a good article, trying to find a US President who would not be guilty of war crimes, Carter comes to mind but pretty sure he did some nasty shit too.
Maybe someone here could pen a decent and truthful account of US Presidents throughout history, pains me to say this, but Trump seems to low on the list of War Crimes though he is guilty of launching those cruise missiles against Syria.
Now is the time to tear the whole show down and end the experiment that is called Government, it does not work/
“Jimmy Carter’s Blood-Drenched Legacy of terror (very long article)
Zaire, 1977
Guatemala, 1977
East Timor, 1977
Angola, 1978
Afghanistan, 1979
El Salvador, 1980
http://www.counterpunch.org/2015/08/18/jimmy-carters-blood-drenched-legacy/
I gave you a downvote for this silly spiel Eric, but I’m told I can’t vote for it!
success!
Thanks for that, I knew he wasn’t the squeaky clean president others like to make him out to be, to be fair, I think the same question about war criminals could apply to British Prime Ministers too the more I think on it.
Someone once suggested to me that the UK is the USA’s “deep state” and that they never really left, interesting and not without merit when we consider how America picks up the mantle and goes about in a very imperialist and very very very British way of waging war here there and everywhere.
“Kennedy was every bit a war criminal like every US President since WWI”
Except that Robert Kennedy was never US president.
That’s why he doesn’t say ‘like every OTHER US president since WW1’.
Basic English. You’re welcome.
lol, no, I think my English is clear enough and I am correct.
Well excuse me for being a grammar Nazi, but should that not read:
“like every othering US President since WW1”?
JFK was mentioned early on in the article and yes you are correct bobby was never President, I never said he was, I find American with few exceptions genuinely believe they are a force for good in this world, this is in spite of the overwhelming evidence that suggest otherwise.
To be clear, the people of the U.S., like the citizens of many other nations, do not share the beliefs, support the decisions, nor duplicate the actions of the .gov/ ‘elite’/PTB/MIC et al. There are reasons we haven’t overthrown the whole wretched system – some of those reasons are understandable and legitimate, others less so.
“To be clear, the people of the U.S., like the citizens of many other nations, do not share the beliefs, support the decisions, nor duplicate the actions of the .gov/ ‘elite’/PTB/MIC et al.”
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Polling and voting data put the lie to that. For example any number of deaths, no matter how high, if preferable to the death of one US soldier.
You have to explain that.
Trump is indeed technically down the ladder, but this is because Blair’s protege, Hillary Clinton, lost- and that caused the deep state to have to take time and rethink its plans.
Clinton was set to immediately holocaust Syria, ‘force’ Russia to withdraw, and then leverage the chaos to nuke Iran. So plans changed. To *much* bigger ones. Hence the SARS2 false flag.
But the time of the Kennedys was the time of massive military slaughter of ‘races’ deemed by ‘white’ America as ‘sub-Human’ – ever see how yanks portrayed asians in their mainstream media in the 1950s and 60s?
Today the deep state doesn’t want to leverage ‘racism’ as the excuse for war. They’ve moved on to much ‘better’ excuses.
BS PURO. Shows what you know. JFK had sent NSAM 263 to Bobby a month before he died directing a total withdrawal from Vietnam. Look it up. Find out about it. Do your homework.
Cite your own claim before arogantly telling others to do your homework for you John.