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The World Desperately Needs the Wisdom of Bobby Kennedy Now More Than Ever

Matthew Ehret

Today’s fires which have spread across America in the wake of George Floyd’s murder at the knee of Minnesota police officer Derick Chauvin has presented America with the chance to do some serious soul searching.

It has also presented certain Deep State opportunists, color revolutionaries and anarchism-financing billionaires a chance to unleash what some are calling an “America’s Maidan” in the hopes of accomplishing what four years of Russiagate failed to do.

The fact that these riots have occurred at a moment when America finds itself seriously reviving the spirit of JFK’s space vision is an irony that in many ways parallels the earlier “pregnant moment” of 1968.

(In case you are not aware, NASA has officially revived manned space launches on May 28 for the first time since Obama killed the Constellation rocket program in 2011, establishing a new program to return to the Moon before going to Mars under the Artemis Program established in 2017. The Artemis Accords of May 15 lay out the framework for international cooperation in space closely dovetailing similar commitments made by Russia and China).

In 1968, the seeds of two opposing futures clashed for dominance in America and the world more broadly. On the one hand, humanity landed for the first time upon another celestial body and great hopes for a space-based economic system were felt by the entire world, while on the other hand race riots gripped America while an insane war in Vietnam was taking on a new anthrax-filled life ultimately killing over 50,000 young Americans and millions of Vietnamese.

In this dystopian nightmare, endless sums of money were absorbed into the American Military Industrial Complex that John Kennedy, Martin Luther King and Robert Kennedy had died resisting.

Faced with these two futures, the citizens of 1968 chose poorly, and acquiesced to be put onto a path of insanity as Martin Luther King’s Civil Rights Movement became replaced by FBI-funded radicals under Cointel Pro, America’s space program was atrophied with Apollo’s moon program being killed in 1973 and the Vietnam war destroyed the last remnants of patriotism in the hearts of young moral Americans.

Fortunately, the study of the past affords us more than simply reasons to be depressed by stories of assassination and failure.

Along with a proper sense of history, come the insights needed to prevent tragic choices and impulses from repeating themselves into the future, and with this fact in mind, it is important to observe the life of a particular non-tragic personality in America who overcame his fears in order to take to the stage of history, when others would not during a time of great crisis: Senator Robert Kennedy (aka: The man who should have been president), whose anniversary of assassination on June 5, 1968 is upon us.

Robert Kennedy as a Force in World History

While serving as Attorney General-first under the leadership of his brother John, then under Lyndon Johnson (until 1965), Robert Kennedy’s life was always defined by a strong commitment to peace, development and cooperation with justice for all races.

Exemplifying his intention to bring people into the process of historical change, Robert spoke to crowds in Apartheid South Africa in 1961 (after the ruling government refused to meet him) saying:

Few have the greatness to bend history itself, but each of us can work to change a small portion of events, and in the total of all those acts will be written the history of this generation. … It is from numberless acts of courage and belief such as these that human history is shaped.

Each time a man stands up for an ideal, or acts to improve the lot of others, or strikes out against injustice, he sends forth a tiny ripple of hope, and crossing each other from a million different centers of energy and daring, those ripples build a current which can sweep down the mightiest walls of oppression and resistance.

After quitting his job as Attorney General in 1965 in order to become a Senator and later presidential candidate, Kennedy focused his energy on reviving his brother’s Peace Corps, attacking the growing war in Vietnam, opposing racism at home and ending the despair of ghetto poverty that no one wished to look at.

In the midst of the July 1967 Detroit riots that resulted in 43 dead, 1189 injured and 2000 buildings destroyed, Robert was asked what he would do if he were president. In response RFK said that he would force the media to show all of America what life is really like in the Ghettos:

Let them show the sound, the feel, the hopelessness, and what it’s like to think you’ll never get out. Show a black teenager, told by some radio jingle to stay in school, looking at his older brother- who stayed in school who is out of a job.

Show the Mafia pushing narcotics; put a candid camera team in a ghetto school and watch what a rotten system of education it really is. Film a mother staying up all night to keep the rats from her baby… Then ask people to watch it… and experience what it was like to live in the most affluent society in history- without hope.

Later that Summer Martin Luther King and Bobby began a close collaboration, with Martin telling his associates that the Civil Rights Movement would put its full support behind Bobby in the run-up to the 1968 elections.

Bobby had earlier intervened into Martin Luther King’s October 1960 arrest in Atlanta for the crime of driving with an invalid licence in racist territory. Both leaders advanced civil rights on their respective paths during the next few years but their peak collaboration only began during the Summer of 1967 as both men made their resistance to the war in Vietnam known publicly.

In an interview on Face the Nation in November 1967, Bobby Kennedy gave a lesson to Americans that could have applied as easily to today’s regime change-crazed America, asking rhetorically:

Do we have the right in the United States to say we’re going to kill tens of thousands of people, make millions of people, as we have… refugees, kill women and children? I very seriously question whether we have that right… Those of us who stay in the United States, we must feel it when we use napalm, when a village is destroyed and civilians are killed. This is our responsibility.”

Martin Luther King’s untimely death on April 4, 1968 resulted in a new wave of urban race riots that took America by storm sweeping through 120 cities and resulting in 39 deaths (mostly black) and 2600 injured. Over 75 000 troops were deployed to the streets of America during this time of tension.

Bobby Kennedy was on a plane to a presidential campaign rally in Indianapolis when he received news of King’s murder and was advised by both the Indianapolis police chief and his own staff to cancel the rally for his own safety.

Not only did RFK not listen to this advice, but the statesman went straight into the ghettos of Indianapolis, stood on a flatbed truck and gave a speech to thousands of poor, broken hearted Americans who sat on a razors edge, as he delivered the news of King’s death.

Choosing to stand with the people totally unprotected, Robert’s words held such potent love and empathy that they cut through the anger and rage of the mob resulting in a miracle as Indianapolis became the only major city in which no riots occurred. If you have not yet listened to this speech, take the 6 minutes to do so now.

[A full transcript of the speech can be read here – ed.]

King’s close associate Ralph Abernathy reported to Arthur Schlesinger:

I was so despondent and frustrated at King’s death, I had to seriously ask myself- can this country be saved? I guess the thing that kept us going was that maybe Bobby Kennedy would come up with some answers for the country… I remember telling him he had a chance to be a prophet. But prophets get shot.”

Indeed, just one day after his victory of the democratic primaries in California on June 4, 1968, Bobby Kennedy was shot and killed at the Ambassador hotel in Los Angeles. Although a young Palestinian man named Sirhan Sirhan was made the lone scape goat, mountains of evidence accumulated over the years has pointed to a much darker story. Such evidence includes the findings of RFK’s coroner who proved that the killing bullet entered not from the front but rather at close range from the back of the neck.

Today’s world desperately needs citizens and statesmen with the wisdom of such figures as Martin Luther King Jr and Robert Kennedy if a similar tragedy will not unfold again today as it did in 1968. In those days, covert intelligence operations transplanted King’s Civil Rights movement with its effective use of civil yet peaceful disobedience, with the “New Left”, featuring armed and violence-prone operatives running bomb creating organizations like the Weather Underground that littered bombs (and STDs) across America. With the rise of the drug-loving anarchists of the new left who would later become leading figures of today’s sociopathic establishment, a new ethic was created on the basis of equating all aspects of western civilization (including the space program, atomic technology, the American constitution and western values more broadly) to be as evil as the war in Vietnam, corporate greed and the military-industrial complex.

So here we are once more, standing on the precipice of a new age of cooperation, space exploration and international development vs a Deep State-managed dystopian world order that would make Orwell turn in his grave.

If even a modicum of the wisdom expressed by MLK, JFK or Bobby Kennedy is alive in the heart of Donald Trump, and a few other world leaders, then I would say the chance of a bright future for mankind is not lost.

Originally published at Strategic Culture

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Guy
Guy
Jun 15, 2020 1:04 AM

Awesome article .Thank you.

Eric Blair
Eric Blair
Jun 9, 2020 9:00 AM

Bobby Kennedy? What is it with this site’s fetish for the Kennedys? It’s kind of ironic how a site that claims to debunk establishment propaganda fully embraces the “wisdom” of the Kennedys. Because there is no way the “Kennedy Legend” of heroic photogenic American leaders is a propaganda creation, right?

David J Valachovic
David J Valachovic
Jun 9, 2020 12:16 PM
Reply to  Eric Blair

We don’t need any more of Bobby Kennedy’s wisdom. We are seeing far too much of it today already It was Kennedy’s wisdom to use a proxy army of terrorist mercenaries to attack Cuba in a regime change operation. That “wisdom” is still very much being emulated today as the US uses proxy armies of Al Queda terrorists to bring regime change in Syria. Bobby advocated using a false flag operation in Cuba. The excomm tapes have established that during the Cuban missile crisis he exclaimed. “Can’t we just sink the Maine again or something?” The OPWC whistle blowers have revealed that it was a false flag chemical attack that was used by the US to bomb Syria. We are seeing more of Bobby Kennedy’s version of wisdom in the US campaign against Venezuela.

Mike Andrews
Mike Andrews
Jun 10, 2020 2:06 AM

What you’re trying to do here, cowardly, lying jew, in the non-existent face of opposition, is place Bobby Kennedy in the same paint-by-numbers slot as the scoundrels who’ve succeeded him. They’ve been in control of the Amerikan homeland since Bobby’s brother was assassinated, back in November, 1963.
 
The Bobby Kennedy version of the 1964 Civil Rights Act, finalized and resting ‘in the wings’ awaiting the appropriate hour to submit to brother JFK for his endorsement, was seized in Nov. 1963 by the new administration that slithered into power under LBJ and handed off to the Commie jew-boyz at the American Civil Liberties Union. The great geniuses at ACLU back-wrote the work and passed it onto legislation as the 1964 version, signed, sealed and delivered.
 
It was a blatant, resounding slap to the face of every white person in America!
 
. . . A great calumny which has wound its meandering course of corruption to the present juncture.
 
What did Bobby Kennedy have to do with that, Valachovic?
 
Then, on the heels of the successful disenfranchisement and belittlement of whites via the ACLU version of the Act, came the 1968 version, passed into law the same year ML King and Bobby Kennedy were murdered. . . and paralleling it as adjunct came the Supreme Court’s ushering of jews onto the ultimate catbird throne of power in Amerika as LEGALLY WHITE.
 
It was as if a silent atom bomb had exploded in the white community, as jew-ish bosses endowed with the power to hire and fire suddenly found themselves empowered UNDER THE FORCE OF LAW to hire only jews when the Soviet-Communist Affirmative Action Guidelines and its time schedule permitted the entry of a white person into the new Communist workplace!
 
Jewry had won its greatest victory: The overthrow and replacement of whites as a race.
 
Jews in, whites out, . . . all in one very cleverly manipulated fell swoop.
 
Since 1968 the jews have had it all their way with hiring and college and university admissions.
 
So tell me again, Valachovic – how was it that the Kennedys had ANYTHING AT ALL to do with untoward circumstance since 1968?
 
You mean to say you’re blaming everything that’s happened these past 52 years on the Kennedys?
 
I’ll be awaiting your reply.

John Ervin
John Ervin
Jun 9, 2020 3:24 PM
Reply to  Eric Blair

Excuse me, but you’re still in your teens, right?

peter mcloughlin
peter mcloughlin
Jun 7, 2020 3:15 PM

The hope instilled by the civil rights movement and space programs was contrasted with the fear of nuclear annihilation in the Cold War. There should be hope today; unfortunately there is more reason for fear. For it turns out the Cold War was an age of peace (or relative peace). The pattern of history shows humanity moving towards total war – world war; most dangerous because world leaders do not see it. Governments must open their eyes, to see what is “needed to prevent tragic choices and impulses from repeating themselves into the future”.
https://www.ghostsofhistory.wordpress.com/

John Ervin
John Ervin
Jun 7, 2020 1:07 PM

With these few words, the Defense rests:

https://m.youtube.com/watch?feature=youtu.be&v=ZBiH5fsKJB8

David
David
Jun 7, 2020 3:01 PM
Reply to  John Ervin

Your “defense” consists of unendurable drivel that proves my point. What most people believe to be true about Bobby Kennedy is a myth perpetrated by sycophantic historians.
Robert Kennedy served as counsel to the thoroughly loathsome demagogue, Joe McCarthy. Joe McCarthy did immense damage to American society with Bobby by his side. So great was RFK’s love for the alcoholic degenerate that he named him as God Father to his first child. He remained a stead fast defender of McCarthy. He walked out during a speech given by Edward R Morrow, the man who exposed McCarthy for the monster that he was. As attorney general, Robert Kennedy had Martin Luther King wire tapped. No mention was made of that fact in the maudlin lyrics you have provided. The Kennedy’s brother’s obsession with Cuba did not end with John Kennedy’s Bay of Pigs fiasco. Bobby’s hatred of the Cuban revolution made him ideal to direct “Operation Mongoose” which was a campaign of terror, assassination and sabotage against the Cuban people. The “peace loving” Bobby had no compunction about committing murder, a fact your maudlin lyrics also omitted. The peace loving Bobby Kennedy can be heard on tapes made during the Cuban missile crisis advocating for a direct US invasion of the island. I couldn’t endure the song for very long but I doubt that was mentioned either. Have you ever given any thought to what the consequences of Bobby’s plan would have been? There is a very good chance you would not exist if the wisdom of Bobby Kennedy had prevailed..
 
Both John and Bobby have been lionized in death as something vastly different from that which their actions revealed them to be when they were alive. John Kennedy ran to the right of Nixon in defense policy claiming falsely that the US had fallen behind the Soviets in nuclear missile capability. He also deepened the US involvement in Vietnam and ordered that Vietnam’s president be assassinated. Gore Vidal was a friend of the Kennedy’s but even he acknowledged publicly that what was said about the actions that they would have taken had they not been assassinated was not based in reality. Despite their friendship, Vidal thought John would not be judged well by history had he served two terms. He had similar doubts about his brother. Vidal’s opinion was rooted in knowledge Yours is simply wishful thinking based upon what you would like to believe..

David J Valachovic
David J Valachovic
Jun 9, 2020 11:50 AM
Reply to  John Ervin

Perhaps one day Dion will write a song about the murders Kennedy committed in Cuba when he headed “Operation Mongoose.” In addition to murdering Cubans,Operation Mongoose targeted civilian infrastructure such as bridges, sugar refineries and even schools. Shipments of sugar were poisoned and crops were destroyed. As part of Operation Mongoose, on multiple occasions, Robert Kennedy arranged assassination attempts against Castro. “Operation Mongoose can only be described as a campaign of terror. Not only were “wise Bobby’s” actions grossly immoral, they were egregious violations of international law. I urge those who have succumbed to the preposterous myth of “Camelot” to take the time to learn about Operation Mongoose and Bobby Kennedy’s role in it. The declassified documents revealed as the result of Freedom of Information requests tell a story that devastates the reputation of Robert Kennedy specifically as well as that of the American government.. The few participants in the operations he directed still alive have described the declassified documents as “Only the tip of the iceberg.” Robert Kennedy didn’t belong in the White House. He belonged in jail for the crimes he committed. He was a terrorist whose hands were covered in the blood of Cubans.
 
The Excomm tapes of the discussions undertaken by John Kennedy and his advisors during the Cuban missile crisis expose Robert’s version of events as a lie. Far from being a voice of reason, from the very beginning, “wise Bobby” advocated an invasion. He wanted to use the US base in Cuba to stage a false flag event that could provide a pretext to invade. The tapes reveals that he said, “Can’t we just sink the Maine again or something?” Those are the words that should be on his gravestone. They are what the man represented.
 
This article cites Bobby as being distressed by Martin Luther King’s death but fails to mention that wise Bobby had ordered wire taps against him. The truth is, Wise Bobby disliked King. He referred to his colleague, Bayard Rustin as “That old faggot.” Wise Bobby was a hypocrite.

John Ervin
John Ervin
Jun 9, 2020 4:15 PM

Another visit of Langley disinfo, and at this late date on the thread, too!? I’m shocked, SHOCKED, I say!

But not surprised. That hack work about Bobby and Cuba is such an ancient canard, and it always traces back to CIA. Money is no object with CIA disinfo.

Because, well, that’s where it started.

That traitorous villain William King Harvey was heading a black op for CIA working with Mafia in Miami for the quick trip to deploy them in Cuba, but he was doing so much against the law and his orders, Bobby got wind of it, fired him, and reassigned him to Rome. From there he made a covert trip to Dallas (again against policy). Early November 1963….

CIA still refuses to release his travel vouchers, etc. etc. Stonewalled! Almost 60 years later. His troll of a widow, C.G. Harvey can be found at youtube in an interview before she died, oozing vitriol against the Kennedys, “scum of the earth”. More red herrings.

I hope those 2 get to wear their crimes against US for a long long time, whatever niche of the next world they now find themselves in….

The entire Cuba thing was ALL CIA op, and Castro knew it. He was working closely with JFK and RFK to end the stalemate, which the CIA never wanted.

They wanted to get us all blown away with nukes!

(Reason enough for us to keep our Kennedy “fetishes” alive and well, in defiance of all the jackals and hacks.)

So they slaughtered the Kennedys then pinned all their Cuba treason on their corpses.

Jim Douglass has verified all that in his great book.

And it puts CIA in a very bad light indeed.

Ghoulish. Ghoulish High Treason, a popular commodity there.

But its easy to prove many other ways.

Bobby’s widow went to Cuba around 2000 to tell Fidel Castro that Bobby had nothing to do with it. And Castro said, I know.

Of coure he did! He gave an incredibly fact-filled speech about it, and NAZI and CIA involvement, 11/23/63. Less than a DAY after JFK was capped! LHO was still (A Dead Man) walking around above ground!

Fidel in his speech, easy search online, “Concerning the Facts and Consequences in the Tragic Death of President…Kennedy.”

But the Nazi led CIA of that era was already trying to pin their misdeeds on the Kennedy bros.

As you do.an

And a couple others here.

Its like you all popped a quarter in the same Langley jukebox machine of “Best Hits” of the CIA.

How trite…..

John Ervin
John Ervin
Jun 9, 2020 4:50 PM

CIA disseminated horse apples, everybody knows that they will go as far as planting fake documents, and forging all the evidence.

Where were you with this tripe when the thread started? All you “David”s here wait til the dust settles then pour the gasoline of your disinfo and drop a match as an SOP method to damage control the inspiration and truth about Bobby.

Standard method. You come in late, leave early, strive for the best, ahem, “product” placement like SEO hacks by positioning your Scheiße at the top of the thread, all part of a half century campaign to damage control what CIA did.

Its so obvious, but it really makes readers wonder, “What is SO important about what the Kennedys that you still feel such a need to carve them to pieces with the old planted lies over a half century later. Relentlessly.

Oh, wait, I get it. You’re just a disinterested historian trying to save the day.

There are a LOT of those in Northern Virginia. And they all tell the same tale.

I hope this banter here will attract more readers to find out more about Bobby, because he and his mission remain just that vital today.

All the arson that appears late on the threads, not just here but still EVERYwhere RFK’s name appears, helps our cause….!

David
David
Jun 6, 2020 3:37 PM

The “wisdom” of Bobby Kennedy left much to be desired. Bobby served as Joe McCarthy’s right hand man and remained a close friend through his life. He ordered the wire tapping of Martin Luther King. Tapes revealed that during the Cuban missile crisis, he was an early advocate of launching an invasion of Cuba. He headed “Operation Mongoose” which was a campaign of terror and assassination against Cuba. His death by assassination has resulted in his being deified. “Bobby” in death has been thoroughly idealized. People are enamored with a myth and have little understanding of who the man really was.

John Ervin
John Ervin
Jun 6, 2020 10:02 PM
Reply to  David

ALL of that chatter is heavily-hyped CIA canards, regurgitated ralphingly forever, with small slivers of connection to reality, or at least select real events out of context, that US Intel and known associates then inflate with their usual steroids by their usual suspects.

Anyone who even just leafs through Jim Douglass book “JFK and the Unspeakable” ~~a student of Thomas Merton with 30 years of widely acclaimed research on this~~ will have had all the “vaccine” they’ll need this season.

The same Mob that murdered them have been fiddling with their stories forever, after the Assassinations, then comes the real character assassination. Typical Mafia.

But mercenaries pop up in profusion to work all the old saws. I’ve seen them all capably debunked just on this thread.

John Ervin
John Ervin
Jun 7, 2020 1:14 PM
Reply to  David

“People are enamored with a myth and have little understanding of who the man really was.”

See brief youtube link above and it will help show you the way to a better “understanding of who the man really is.”

John Ervin
John Ervin
Jun 7, 2020 8:57 PM
Reply to  David

Well, I will be the first to admit,”the unendurable drivel” is right! What you post is the Langley version, carefully cherry-picked to “put in the bad word” for the K bro’s. They farm out “work” there on this topic, Kennedy shortcomings, alleged or “documented”, to all points of the cybersphere.

Don’t quit your day job.

£4£&$4$+my2¢~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Anybody who has two facts to rub together on these subjects will see right through it, as do many here, to judge by the plethoras of down votes. So I needn’t reinvent the wheel.

As far as the great Dion song, it proves my point: only the last few words are about Bobby. So you lied. Which is not only bad, but lazy, when you’re busy slurring the dead on his Anniversary. Typical!

Youre like too many others today, you dissed the song without even listening to it, just a cheap xerox of Fox nitwits. I could offer a lot more detail of such, but it’s Sunday, and showing where the coins were flung is extra wearisome on a High Feast Day.

Thanks for being yet one more of that vast throng to prove our points. Keep it up.

BUSTED.

NEXT!

~~~~£4£&$4$

“At CIA your career advanced according to how well you could *lie* and how well you could *betray*.”

~James J. Angleton, in his deathbed “confession” to Joseph Trento, quoted on last page of “The Devil’s Chessboard” (paraphrased, 99.44% pure, just like Ivory Soap).

kshitij
kshitij
Jun 6, 2020 9:29 AM

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1of7billion
1of7billion
Jun 5, 2020 10:11 PM

We cannot sort out this racial problem by denying it exists, and not only racism of white on black, as it must be accepted there is plenty of black on white racism and violence also.
 
The problem is economic, just as Bobby Kennedy said.
 
Multiculturalism works fine in the well paid parts of society, like in Hollywood, or at the BBC or its American media counterparts, where everyone has a well paid job and respect and a nice safe place to live.
 
But while we have a hugely economically repressed social group, that sees most of its young males as only having opportunities to get wealthy and respected via membership of drug or other criminal gangs, there cannot ever be any end to this racial problem.
 
Only fairer sharing of any nation’s wealth is going to solve that problem, just as only fairer sharing of wealth by nations internationally is going to solve the various international conflicts, and the mass migration of people from the poorer countries to the wealthier countries like Europe, America and Canada, that even the earlier immigrant members of these wealthier countries often do not want.
 
We need to put the quality of human relationships far above the desire for possessions and the excess wealth that is needed to get excess luxuries, or we create the only inequality that really matters to most people at heart – economic inequality – as basically everybody in Western society is judged mainly on how much money they have, and therefore in what neighbourhood they are able to live.
 
It is poverty, economic inequality that is causing all the trouble, and also causing all the crime, which is almost entirely caused by the lack of money or suitable jobs to enable those without it to get it.
 
That is why the greatest tragedy has been the hijacking of genuine at least somewhat socialist inclined political parties, such as Jeremy Corbyn’s Labour, by the politically correctness “Blairite” group, who preach every other equality than the one that most people actually care about – economic equality.
 
Or at least, a far less degree of economic inequality.
 
Because I do not believe the majority of people demand absolutely equality economically speaking, they just want to be able to do their fair share of suitable work for a salary that enables them to live in relative comfort; and equality under the law, so that if somebody tries to violate or murder them, they are as protected by the law and justice system, just as much as the richest person in the land is.
 
Until we get approximately those two things – economic and legal justice, both domestically and internationally, for all world citizens everywhere – there cannot ever be any total end to the trouble, as the oppressed will always sooner or later protest, and if the authorities refuse to hear them, there will always be trouble.
 

John Ervin
John Ervin
Jun 6, 2020 4:28 AM
Reply to  1of7billion

Those are all values that are reflections of what Max Weber called a hundred years ago, “The Protestant Ethic and the Spirit of CAPITALISM” defining the spirit that has taken over the West as, well, based on material abundance, wealth really, as a metric of personal worth. “Relative comfort” is the paradigm, rather than a life of worthiness.

It leads to the greatest spiritual poverty and to the likes of Putin calling our leaders “swine” and their satellite countries “swinelets”, if that’s a fair translation.

Once again, it looks like Chesterton got to the Crux of our problem, with this aperçu:

“For when once people begin to see prosperity as the reward of virtue, their next calamity is obvious. If prosperity is regarded as the reward of virtue, it will be regarded as the symptom of virtue.”

And the kind of evisceration of real values that led *directly* to the entrenching enracination of the CIA and it’s allies.

Hugh O’Neill
Hugh O’Neill
Jun 6, 2020 11:25 AM
Reply to  John Ervin

John. You are a mine of fascinating insights. Mixing metaphors, you have a treasure trove of pearls of wisdom. The world is your oyster.

John Ervin
John Ervin
Jun 6, 2020 12:23 PM
Reply to  Hugh O’Neill

I sense some element of marine biology at play in those maxims, Hugh. GKC (as nuns call Chesterton) was an avid fan of Pope Leo XIII and I believe it was their influence on Rose Kennedy, who grew up in both their benevolent shadows, who instilled their worker and Thomist values into “her boys”. Bobby reaped perhaps the biggest harvest of what she had sown in them of all that, the Social Gospel, as tenaciously devout as she was. That whole ethos is well captured in the full quote of GKC, begun above and brought below full circle:

“For when once people have begun to believe that prosperity is the reward of virtue, their next calamity is obvious. If prosperity is regarded as the reward of virtue it will be regarded as the symptom of virtue. Man will leave off the heavy task of making good men successful. He will adopt the easier task of making out successful men good.”

And that mental malady, a “calamity” turned crisis of culture, is exactly the worm in our American apple, and what has led to what appears to be the ongoing downfall of the USA, if our best efforts can’t arrest it, also exported almost everywhere now: the deceptive Gospel of “Abundance”.

I was chastising a retiree about the US Tax Code, how it favors the wealthy unfairly , and destructively to everyone around them, because he was berating me about how billionaires should keep every penny, “They work hard for their 💰 💰 money! They have every dammed right to keep it!” Well, I’m sure you’ve heard all that before?

Well, I said, “…so I know of a Colombian drug kingpin who has a villa down the street here. You think he should be a deadbeat on taxes too? You think he worked so hard for all that? And a waitress doesn’t?”

As is often the case, he had been in the thrall of the bogus billionaire propaganda here, for so many decades, a simple thought like that had clearly never occurred to him! It was poignantly hilarious to see him stare at me, stammering, then speechless. The revelation had stunned him silent, in its simplicity, and after a few moments he just wandered away.

Chesterton cuts to the heart of our pandemic American mental illness, literally: “…their next calamity is obvious.”

A spiritual pearl, whichever the oyster…….

John Ervin
John Ervin
Jun 7, 2020 1:35 PM
Reply to  Hugh O’Neill

This Wikipedia link is not too long, and I found it abundantly worth the time, in clarifying Chesterton’s pearl and Max Weber’s book (called the “fourth most important sociological book of the 20th Century”). Offered as a non-sectarian, non-parochial, non-denominational, scientific study and analysis by Max Weber:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Protestant_Ethic_and_the_Spirit_of_Capitalism

CAB
CAB
Jun 6, 2020 8:55 AM
Reply to  1of7billion

How about first establishing a re-distribution of the concept of agency ?
As the unwittingly great Dutch writer Ebru Umar wrote 20 years ago :
 
“I am responsible for my reaction to the limitations life heaps on me.”
 
She was referring at the time to problems with Moroccan youth in Amsterdam.
15 years later she had to move to a different city because of harassment.
 
For too long, the media has supplied an escape route from agency, and the likelihood that another King or Sowell will be given the room to come up is remote in the environment that has been created.

Seth
Seth
Jun 5, 2020 9:33 PM
nick weech
nick weech
Jun 5, 2020 9:12 PM

https://www.strategic-culture.org/news/2020/06/05/revolution-us-needs-will-not-be-televised/
 
The focus that’s sorely needed. Would RFK be able to show us if he were here now?

tonyopmoc
tonyopmoc
Jun 5, 2020 5:12 PM

 

Blane
Blane
Jun 5, 2020 4:00 PM

The world desperately needs the wisdom of Dave McGowan, not another Kennedy.

https://centerforaninformedamerica.com/

tonyopmoc
tonyopmoc
Jun 5, 2020 4:32 PM
Reply to  Blane

Dave McGowan was brilliant. I followed him for many years. He got 9/11 on Day 1, and wrote about it the next day. He wrote about absolutely loads of stuff, and was an inspirational resource to me. I was gutted, when he got a very aggressive cancer, and died shortly later. I think it was probably natural, or as a result of the vast amount of tobacco he smoked. I would have loved to have met him. One of my favourite Americans ever. I caught some of his interviews too.
 
I am delighted his daughter Alissa has rebuilt his website, which he hand crafted from raw html, and is maintaining it.
 
What a lovely bloke.
 
Tony
 
 

tonyopmoc
tonyopmoc
Jun 5, 2020 5:36 PM
Reply to  tonyopmoc

Re Dave McGowan. I have not read, that much of his Laurel Canyon yet. However I still love the music of many of the musicians he wrote about. I have never been to the USA, but very nearly went when I was 24 and there was so much more, and I had lost my girlfriend in Manchester who I used to swap records with. I gave her my Led Zeppelin to borrow, and she gave me her Neil Young. Then she was gone.
 
I have seen Neil Young many times since, and Alice Cooper is regularly on the Radio – Planet Rock (at least in England) I guess he does it from his home. So this is not David Coverdale “Ain’t no love in the heart of the City” who comes from very close to where my dad was born.
 
This is Neil Young
 
“Are You Ready for the Country” 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yc0cYtnwRsw
 
Tony
 
 

David Matthews
David Matthews
Jun 5, 2020 9:28 PM
Reply to  tonyopmoc

totally agree on Dave McGowen. You really should read his Laurel Canyon stuff.

John Ervin
John Ervin
Jun 5, 2020 6:21 PM
Reply to  tonyopmoc

Heck, Day 1. I got that by the time of the second Twin Towers. And made phone calls to family, “This is an Inside Job.”

Now, Chris Carter, the originator of the X FILES. There’s a MENSCH.

He got 9/11 on 3/11, actually many months before that. The pilot episode of “The Lone Gunmen” a spin-off of X, was about CIA, and terrorists hijacking a jumbo jet and flying it into WTC, in this case averted with only seconds to spare!

But it was filmed months before it aired.

Chris, ex-surf mag editor, got it on Day T-minus 437. Thereabouts.

tonyopmoc
tonyopmoc
Jun 5, 2020 8:14 PM
Reply to  John Ervin

Our Jane Standley from The BBC, was even quicker than that. never met her, but I am almost certain I have met the bloke who leaked it, several years later – at a party in my house, but thought it impolite to ask him.
 
All the Quality journalists were fired from the BBC, when their gestapo noticed this had got through their censorship – many years ago. Some of the Ex BBC people we still know are very nice. Never worked there but have met some of them at music parties, where we live close to London.
 
“USS LIBERTY – BBC DOCUMENTARY” 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l9Qr8T8N3HU
 
Tony
 
 
 
 
 
Tony

John Ervin
John Ervin
Jun 5, 2020 9:12 PM
Reply to  tonyopmoc

Thanks for that about her. I’ll have to watch a lot of these clip ls out of season, as I have only my smartphone and it’s a messy deal, I’ll probably need to upgrade. Missing all these great videos alas.

We (Cleveland Orchestra Chorus) went to GB in 97 and sang in some great venues, such as the Sheldonian. I took my rollerblades and became a spectacle, but I need them for reasons etc.

Great way to see my old haunts in London though, where I’d lived in 76 a bit. Covered all my haunts in a couple hours, Nottinghill Gate and Portabello etc.

Our last stop was Birmingham, and I was approached by another BBC Jane.

Seymour I believe. She wanted to interview me for a BBC news item about rollerblading, and I thought, “Why not?” They asked to film me rolling down a steep hill off Victoria Square. She asked me for some pithy comments with a mic in my face, and before I knew it I’d said some really asinine things.

She left with her cameraman saying, with greatest British Diplomacy, “Brilliant” and I thought of Mark Twain.

“Better to keep silent and be thought a jackass than to open your mouth and remove all doubt.”

John Ervin
John Ervin
Jun 5, 2020 9:18 PM
Reply to  John Ervin

Oh, if experience were only a more apt teacher. Churchill (who does not seem too popular here but has taught me some): “Life is fraught with opportunities to keep one’s mouth shut.”

Which is why I post: one safety valve for commentary not ready for ad lib! With what I see, if I had no outlet, there would be some kind of critical mass mishap eventually. (Like we had February 2011 at San Onofre Nuclear Generator 30 miles south. Another variation on the theme of 911. At least our protests ended when it got decommissioned!)

Salal
Salal
Jun 5, 2020 4:00 PM

Donald Trump is NOT RFK or MLK. Not even remotely close. Holy cow.

kevin morris
kevin morris
Jun 5, 2020 3:32 PM

His son, Robert Kennedy jr is also a very courageous individual who might, like his father, be putting his life on the line, this time by speaking out about the dangers of mass vaccination.

Reg
Reg
Jun 5, 2020 4:07 PM
Reply to  kevin morris

The guy LOVES vaccines! He’s said so in his own words! He’s not a “courageous” individual putting his life on the line!

kevin morris
kevin morris
Jun 5, 2020 9:23 PM
Reply to  Reg

You clearly have your facts wrong.

John Ervin
John Ervin
Jun 6, 2020 10:18 PM
Reply to  kevin morris

Facts? What facts? “”Reg”” possibly wouldn’t know a fact if it dropped out of Heaven and wiggled on his face.

“But that’s only my opinion, I could be wrong.”

(Dennis Miller tagline after rants. Him too. But with less accuracy in general.)

kevin morris
kevin morris
Jun 7, 2020 7:43 AM
Reply to  John Ervin

Bobby Kennedy jr is probably the most prominent campaigner on the dangers of vaccination in the US today. Most campaigners are actually the parents of vaccine damaged children and that is the case with Bobby too. Given his illustrious father and the still high prominence of his family, it makes highly placed to crticise US mass vaccination polices. It takes considerable courage to take the stand he does.

John Ervin
John Ervin
Jun 7, 2020 12:47 PM
Reply to  kevin morris

Many throughout throughout their clan are a force of nature, with countless gifts. It is edifying to see the kind of pushback they receive from dark places. His anti-vaxx voice is important. As they do when they reveal the hidden nature and designs of the assassinations, the conspiracy “theorists” show their worth and core usefulness when they illuminate the deeper self-interested motives of the vaxxers. Red flags, and someone with RFK’s very name, a sort of herald’s flag flown high and boldly without “anything much he can do about that” is going to gain notice and “a hearing” for these problems. With a wider public.

What he does takes a lot of heart. Can you imagine wearing that name? Junior?

In his father’s last days, Bobby made multiple trips to the “Indian” Reservations. He spent a number of visits with a 9 year old Lakota Sioux boy and his relatives, his tribe, I think his name was Johnny. He was an orphan. About that time the Lakota Sioux adopted Bobby and gave him the name of “Brave Heart”. Some months later, after the assassination, Johnny himself was killed in a car crash. Both he and Bobby were gone the year they met.

I’m grateful to Thurston Clarke for writing “The Last Campaign” which covers the last few incandescent months of Bobby’s trail. I sawwhere George McGovern fits in, as he drove him around in his home state of Douth Dakota yo the reservations. That’s where I found out about many things like that. It brought RFK Jr’s father to life for me more than a lot of the rest.

And that’s where he remains. Brought to life. A process he always seems to be going through.

kevin morris
kevin morris
Jun 7, 2020 1:52 PM
Reply to  John Ervin

I think youi’re right about Bobby jr.’s heart but I guess that’s what happens when you see your own child’s prospects seriously curtailed through vaccine damage. Prominent people do stand up from time to time- Chaka Khan being one who was outraged at the change in her nephew following on of his shots. As for Jr., you could see it as giving an awful lot to live up to.
 
I certainly have nothing whatsoever against his father, who at the time was seen by many of us a hero, but being basically apolitical, I had little investment in either him or his late brother Jack. Nevertheless, I was shocked to read the claim that Bobby sr. visited Marilyn Monroe on the night she died. It is claimed that she kept a diary in which she recorded pillow talk between the two prominent Kennedys but I guess we will never know for sure.

John Ervin
John Ervin
Jun 7, 2020 2:27 PM
Reply to  kevin morris

“I certainly have nothing whatsoever against his father, who at the time was seen by many of us a hero, but being basically apolitical, I had little investment in either him or his late brother Jack. Nevertheless, I was shocked to read the claim that Bobby sr. visited Marilyn Monroe on the night she died. It is claimed that she kept a diary in which she recorded pillow talk between the two prominent Kennedys but I guess we will never know for sure.”

I don’t feel a need to mythologize the Kennedys, I simply take issue with many of the “smears” (whether true or false, I wasn’t behind closed doors, as is the case so often, “I guess we’ll never know”) especially sexual smears, which are so much from the realm of tabloid “carnavale” that they become in time almost risibly wearisome (“oh! another he said, she said, what a surprise!”).

And also since all that is such stock and trade with Mafia/CIA heavily planted disinfo.

I was shocked when I read 10 years ago that Schlesingser said he saw JFK outside at a soirée pinch Monroe’s behind, in a darkened part of a garden. Hmm, I thought, must be true if Arthur goes on record, since he’s one of his own camp, inner circle. But then after further review, I read that Schlesinger went way back in OSS and was clearly CIA, as were many standup guys in its early years, or from what I can tell.

Marilyn Monroe’s maid, really more a confidante, went on record (if memory serves) that the last visitor Marilyn had that night to sign her Brentwood guestbook was Johnny Roselli, arguably the most infamous Mafia hitman of the last 100 years or so.

And she died of an overdose.

Administered by enema?!

Those two Mobs (Mafia & CIA) have so so many many many fingerprints all over Kennedy evidence, including their corpses!

I take it all with what Mark Twain called “a barrel of salt”.

(As I wrote that ending, my screen was interrupted, twice in one minute, by calls from a number in Gainesville, Georgia. At 6am Sunday Morning. Never happens. Hope they know it’s Feast of the Holy Trinity! )

And such old old news. Amazing how it’s a gift that keeps on giving. But then dear old Dad had several 33rd degree Freemasons as clients, including one who is documented to have had Sirhan as a frequent visitor at his Philosophical Research Society reading library. “You just can’t make this stuff up!”

kevin morris
kevin morris
Jun 7, 2020 3:07 PM
Reply to  John Ervin

They were both public figures and many years later, they are still eulogised as may be seen in the eulogising on this page. I think it’s more than fair to suggest that there might well have been another side to them. Let’s face it none of us would wish to see our secret desires made public and when we are dealing with the likes of the Kennedies, the opportunity to make such desires public is going to be there.

John Ervin
John Ervin
Jun 7, 2020 1:00 PM
Reply to  kevin morris

DION: “ABRAHAM, MARTIN, AND JOHN” ~

https://m.youtube.com/watch?feature=youtu.be&v=ZBiH5fsKJB8

breweriana
breweriana
Jun 5, 2020 11:29 AM

“Comments”
For a minute, I thought I’d ended up on Zerohedge.
Oh, well…

Admin1
Admin
Admin1
Jun 5, 2020 11:46 AM
Reply to  breweriana

What do your words mean?

Objective
Objective
Jun 6, 2020 12:09 AM
Reply to  breweriana

I love 0-hedge, for its comments section, some of their humorous comments are classic. I will admit it has declined as of late with blatant racism which spoils it, but i’m not happy with you brew, you made me thumbs up admins reply. You can’t possibly compare off-G with 0-hedge, that’s just nutz.

David G. Horsman
David G. Horsman
Jun 7, 2020 1:58 PM
Reply to  Objective

I certainly agree with that. 🐸

John Pretty
John Pretty
Jun 5, 2020 11:18 AM

Clearly there are a lot of very cynical people reading this and the threads.
 
I would just remind everyone that Robert Kennedy died 52 years ago. The world and the United States was then a very different place. I don’t think you can compare his world directly with the world of today.
 
Robert Kennedy was an inspiring speaker, maybe he would have been an inspiring president and maybe the world would be the better for him.
 
Or maybe RFK, like Obama, would have been a great disappointment. We will never know.

Hugh O'Neill
Hugh O'Neill
Jun 5, 2020 12:26 PM
Reply to  John Pretty

I think we can know RFK vs. Obama. Obama wasn’t assassinated, proving his public words did not match his private actions. RFK died because his words were sincere.

Martillo
Martillo
Jun 5, 2020 1:12 PM
Reply to  Hugh O'Neill

Barry O Bomber aka Barry Sotoro was conceived in the services of the CIA for whom his mother “worked”. She was a second rate porno model back in the day and played the roll of honey trap in the infamous Opertion Northwoods caper.
 
https://theconservativetreehouse.com/2012/06/20/oh-my-ann-dunham-pictures-surface-president-barack-obamas-mom/
 
O ba ma is as fake as every word he ever uttered in his days of terror in the white House.

Reg
Reg
Jun 5, 2020 3:58 PM
Reply to  Martillo

And Barry wasn’t born in the US.

TFS
TFS
Jun 5, 2020 5:30 PM
Reply to  Reg

For the USA to be deciding who rules the roost in other countries, I’m amazed at the issue of where Barry was born, which seems to be a THING for some Americans.
 
Oh the irony, it’s Exceptional……

John Ervin
John Ervin
Jun 6, 2020 7:48 PM
Reply to  TFS

Who GIVES a flying flock? It shows the depth of Reich social and political thought impoverishment, that they can take his birthplace so seriously for so long. Whether he came here two days before he was born or two days after, he’s totally American, at least way way more than all the Nazis who pretend they own the country, or its spirit.

These are the same entrenched interests, since the Mayflower, that worship Nation at the expense of Principle. Nativists. Bill the Butcher Cutting is their bloody mascot in “Gangs of New York” Scorsese gave him these famous last words, as he fell beneath the knife of the son of “Priest Vallon” whom he’d killed long ago, for the lone crime of being an Irish Catholic immigrant: “At least I die a Native American”.

These birthers are the same hypocrites, deluxe, who 150 years ago banned the Chinese born in the lower 48 from U.S. citizenship under the bogus amendment of “The Chinese Exclusion Act’. And burned Chinatown in San Jose CA. to the ground. The ban was only lifted by FDR in ’43 when the MIC thought they needed their help against the Japanese.

Same “clans”. And they have the gall to fulminate forever about Obama’s birth certificate, Trump included in that grotesque charade.

When I say “deluxe hypocrisy” I mean there are all flavors of it, abroad and at home, but none so surreally fake as that mob….

Such bad clowning should ~ ultimately ~ help all the right causes. “The arc of the Universe is long, but it bends toward Justice.”

Hell, these people flagrantly rigged a special 2003 election (with notorious Diebold Accutronics, that gave Ahhnold a 250% greater margin of victory in those precincts) to make a Viennese weightlifter Governor of our state, and now are hoping to recall Newsom like they did Gray Davis. For the same “stuff”.

John Ervin
John Ervin
Jun 7, 2020 9:57 PM
Reply to  John Ervin

“These birthers are the same hypocrites, deluxe, who 150 years ago banned the Chinese born in the lower 48 from U.S. citizenship under the bogus amendment of “The Chinese Exclusion Act.”

They’re not the same, but my meaning is all things being equal, it’s overwhelmingly the same mindset that was on display 150 years ago, or whenever. And its easy to see these prejudices are more often than not transgenerational.

So, if that shoe fits the “birthers,” they can wear it.

In short, “any ideological port in a storm” for that “Nativist” birther crowd.

John Ervin
John Ervin
Jun 5, 2020 4:28 PM
Reply to  Martillo

Ah, another coda of the relentless drumbeat from our right. I thought it would never come….

Reg
Reg
Jun 5, 2020 5:04 PM
Reply to  John Ervin

Hey John, what did you think of Teddy fleeing that bridge over the water and leaving a woman to die in the car? Still sucking them off?

John Ervin
John Ervin
Jun 5, 2020 4:22 PM
Reply to  Hugh O'Neill

Ha, nice call!

His nephew “also” followed in those footsteps.

One wonders what’s not to love in a Scion like “John John”, who entered our collective memory saluting his father’s horse-drawn hearse, and who in exiting, stage Left, 36 years later, didn’t even rate a search and rescue from our generous MIC, until six hours after his small plane went down at sea??!

Eerily like his black sheep aunt, Kathleen “Kick” Kennedy, Marchioness of Hartington, who died alongside 3 others in a similar small plane, in a “storm” in Southern France. And same verdict, “spatial disorientation” essentially, if you can believe Wikipedia’s bizarre description of the “accident”. A very odd account, and so detailed too — before black boxes. (She had briefly dated the recently departed David A. Rockefeller, in their years around London School of Economics, which Jack and Joe Jr. both attended.)

Or, for that matter, the account of the small plane crash of Uncle Teddy, who came “that” close to the same fate in a small plane crash only 6 months after his older brother JFK had been shot like a dog in the street.

He only survived because his other passengers, Senator Birch Bayh and his wife, came back to the wreckage and pulled him free. Funny how you always hear about the (rigged) Bridge, but almost never about that. Is it possible because the one could cast (a long shadow of) doubt upon the other? Just asking?

The whole family seems to have a very bad strain of a disease we like to call “Wellstone Syndrome”, a malady that mostly seems to afflict significant progressive politicians, but only while aloft, sort of like an inner ear problem. LOLOL.

Wellstone was the pure type, though, as well as Mel Carnahan, both dying just before a (re)election. (It may have been a virus extending south of our borders, since Jaime Roldos and Omar Torrijos both caught it. If you’re a politician with any of their infectious tendencies, shelter in place, don’t leave home for any non-essential activities, like “voting” or “leading”.)

Of course, the symptoms become more pronounced and active, sort of like covid viruses, when you are surrounded by a hierarchy of murderous demagogues.

Then, for people with the name of Kennedy, it often manifests as an actual contagion! (Joe Jr., first case fatality.)

Hmm. But I tend to go with my gut instincts over the dubious results of so much heavily gimmicked “research” embedded with an historical superabundance of ongoing and endless red herrings.

And a nose that has yet some capacity to smell and tell the rural odour of StierScheiße, and the difference between the “shine” and Shinola.

Just saying.

John Ervin
John Ervin
Jun 6, 2020 10:19 AM
Reply to  Hugh O'Neill

As USAmerica has developed as a power structure, leaders who lead in sincerity become increasingly “men marked for assassination” –as Thomas Merton put it. His efforts bore the stamp of that as well, and his was a CIA-organized murder as well, in Burma later in the same year as RFK and MLK.

1968: “The Year of the Jackal”

(I woke up a few minutes ago, and glanced at the clock, here in California. Time and place suddenly convened: 1:45am, June 6! The very hour RFK passed, and not very many miles from here.)

John Ervin
John Ervin
Jun 6, 2020 7:19 PM
Reply to  Hugh O'Neill

I have a simewhat compassionate kind of view of Obama. It’s not unlike the take that Fidel Castro gave to press soon, days, after the 2008 Elections. He offered something g close to these words, in their gist: “It’s difficult to look at that warm and noble face and think that he will try to do anything other than bring the changes that are so needed in the U.S. But I have real doubts about how much he will be able to do, with the interests that are so deeply entrenched there.”

And Fidel, whatever histories may try to say about him good or bad, was a pretty down judge of character. (Down~town. “Down with the HUD” as some say in the ‘hood.)

I suspect the long-lived Fidel was spot-on. Yes, he had real ambitions, but limited to certain domestic changes, like ACA and major changes to health care accessibility, greatly aided by the career-long efforts of Bobby’s brother Teddy. If ACA had not kicked in in 2014, right when it did, I suspect I would not still be here. I know I got certain medical care in the nick of time that totally changed my life and my situation. I will always be grateful to Obama for his battles with that. (And McCain wouldn’t have done that in a 1,000 years, even if he’d been tortured as a POW…. For one, it would have tockef his billionaire base. Same with Mite Robme, if he had “ascended” to the federal level.)

As to foreign policy? I’m sure he’d seen the Zapruder film. Every president for 50 years knows that if you’re leaning left, only the most deft snake-charmers need apply. For pResidency in the Oval Office. And only Imperial ones.

The day after the 2008 Election, the November 5 headline for The Onion was:

“BLACK MAN GIVEN WORLD’S WORST JOB”

The Defense rests.

~~~~~~£4£&$4$+my2¢

John Ervin
John Ervin
Jun 7, 2020 10:16 PM
Reply to  Hugh O'Neill

RFK died because his plans were threatening.

To entrenched power and its interests, especially all the worst kinds: mobster, bankster, gangster, drugs, warlords____________fill in the blank. A to Z.

He didn’t need the words, we did. It was his past deeds that showed he walked the talk, like his Congressional Inquisition of Organized Crime.

He was a crusader, after criminals like “a bat out of hell” as Talbot put it in his five years ago talk on the Ron Paul radio show (search “Ron Paul and David Talbot” and it’s all about these things, and dammed revealing too).

Mr Y
Mr Y
Jun 5, 2020 11:00 AM

If even a modicum of the wisdom expressed by MLK, JFK or Bobby Kennedy is alive in the heart of Donald Trump, and a few other world leaders, then I would say the chance of a bright future for mankind is not lost.

 
Unfortunately this is a finite planet and as the black gold (and the other fossil fuels) don’t come that cheap anymore the future is destined to be less bright …

tonyopmoc
tonyopmoc
Jun 5, 2020 11:34 AM
Reply to  Mr Y

Oil and gas are the cheapest they have ever been, and they come from deep below the earth’s surface. They are not fossil fuels, and there is no indication that they will run out. Wind and solar power, as now used, are completely dependent on oil and gas. Populations can survive without oil and gas, but only by going back several hundred years, using similar techniques, and similar population levels, which will mean mass genocide, which we are seeing the start of now. The only alternative solution would be rapid development of nuclear power, but no one seems interested in doing that. They would prefer to kill us off.

As regards to exponential population growth, well when populations are relatively rich, stable and developed (eg indigenous Western civilisations), the birth rate goes much lower than replacement levels from 2.1 children per woman to 1.3. This is because populations feel safe. Population levels naturally decline gracefully. If there are very high death rates, due to war or disease, then populations massively overbreed to compensate for the high death rate.

The elegant solution, is to bring the rest of the world up to the same levels of education and wealth as the West, rather than just deliberately killing nearly everyone.

We are rapidly heading directly to hell on earth. It’s going to be horrible.

Tony

John Pretty
John Pretty
Jun 5, 2020 11:44 AM
Reply to  tonyopmoc

“Oil and gas are the cheapest they have ever been, and they come from deep below the earth’s surface. They are not fossil fuels.”
 
They are, Tony.

tonyopmoc
tonyopmoc
Jun 5, 2020 1:14 PM
Reply to  John Pretty

John,

Until about 20 years ago, I too believed that oil was a fossil fuel. I then came across this website https://web.archive.org/web/20060406050328/http://dieoff.org/ It made complete and utter logical sense on the basis of the belief that oil was a fossil fuel, and would run out. For a week or so, it scared the hell out of me for the future of my children (and now grandchildren). So I started doing some research on the origins of oil. I had done physics and maths at a British University 50 years ago.

Within a couple weeks I had proved to myself ( a bit like 9/11) that oil could not be a fossil fuel, because that theory did not conform with the most fundamental laws of physics and maths. Since then, I have posted bits of this research numerous times on the internet. Like the official story of 9/11 being impossible hardly anyone at first believed me. Most still don’t. Here is another link

“Confessions of an ‘ex’ Peak Oil Believer F. William Engdahl”

http://321energy.com/editorials/engdahl/engdahl092607.html

Tony

John Pretty
John Pretty
Jun 5, 2020 1:43 PM
Reply to  tonyopmoc

Yes, Tony. You’re not a chemist. I am a chemist. And I studied chemistry at the University of Manchester in the 1980s. Not that that has any relevance here.
 
I don’t pretend to be an expert in physics.
 
Also on this thread we’ve got people trying to push the b/s that there were no moon landings. Do you agree with them too?
 
With respect, I’m tired of this. It’s enough having to deal with those fuckwitts in parliament who want to muzzle everyone who gets on a bus without having to deal with stuff like this.
 
I want to stuff their muzzles down their wretched throats.
 
Now. I need to take a break from all of this. I’m not here to upset anyone. I believe in free speech, but I have to believe that the world is round and that the moon is not made of cheese!
 
 

tonyopmoc
tonyopmoc
Jun 5, 2020 3:17 PM
Reply to  John Pretty

I spent some time at Manchester University too in the 1970’s but that was a side project.
 
re moon landings … how do you explain the slight zoom out and pan up, unless they left the cameraman on the moon? Don’t say they controlled it from Houston. The time lag is much too great to control the camera.
 
“Apollo 17 Liftoff from Moon – December 14, 1972” 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9HQfauGJaTs
 
 

Admin1
Admin
Admin1
Jun 5, 2020 11:44 AM
Reply to  tonyopmoc

Do you have a source for the fossil fuel claim?

tonyopmoc
tonyopmoc
Jun 5, 2020 12:24 PM
Reply to  Admin1

I have studied the research for this for over 20 years, and can quote numerous sources at various different levels, both Russian and American. Most people will not understand the physics and maths, which goes into enormous detail…but I will just quote one source to start with..
 
“The Constraints of the Laws of Thermodynamics upon the Evolution of Hydrocarbons: The Prohibition of Hydrocarbon Genesis at Low Pressures.” 
https://www.gasresources.net/ThrmcCnstrnts.htm
 
Tony
 
 
 

tonyopmoc
tonyopmoc
Jun 5, 2020 12:27 PM
Reply to  tonyopmoc

This is more accessible, and much older
 
“The Origins of Oil – falsely defined in 1892” 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5ja3VqOVDQs
 

John Pretty
John Pretty
Jun 5, 2020 1:01 PM
Reply to  tonyopmoc

Tony, I’m a chemist. I’m not buying into this.

tonyopmoc
tonyopmoc
Jun 5, 2020 1:21 PM
Reply to  John Pretty

I wouldn’t expect you to.
 

John Pretty
John Pretty
Jun 5, 2020 1:37 PM
Reply to  tonyopmoc

Meaning what exactly?

tonyopmoc
tonyopmoc
Jun 5, 2020 3:27 PM
Reply to  John Pretty

John,
 
Have you tried convincing a 50 year old Catholic Priest, that there is no historical evidence for the physical existence of Jesus Christ 2,000 years ago, and that the entire story, whilst basically morally true, is a much older recycled allegory endemic in other much older religions? I think I may have made some progress with him, but am hardly likely to with you, as you have already made up your mind about everything, and know you are right. Meanwhile I was trained as a scientist, and have changed my mind about numerous things on the basis of new information I have come across.

John Ervin
John Ervin
Jun 5, 2020 6:30 PM
Reply to  tonyopmoc

Of course there’s no evidence. He ascended bodily into Heaven. Talk about removing the evidence from the scene of a crime.

You may not be making progress with father. He probably is just practicing “self+mortification” by humouring you.

That’s a way some people have of showing they care.

John Ervin
John Ervin
Jun 5, 2020 6:34 PM
Reply to  tonyopmoc

“..the entire story, whilst basically morally true, is a much older recycled allegory endemic in other much older religions…”

The recycled allegory is what that older religion you’re thinking of (Judaism) calls “prophecy”

Isaiah is full of them, and Psalm 22.

At least that religious tradition got it right, anyway.

John Ervin
John Ervin
Jun 5, 2020 6:35 PM
Reply to  John Ervin

As one notable survivor of the endemic.

David Matthews
David Matthews
Jun 5, 2020 9:42 PM
Reply to  John Ervin

I’m pretty sure Tony is not thinking of Judaism. Rather the predominantly Egyptian solar religion whih was brutally suppressed by the Romans.
 
So Jesus is the sun of God as well as the son of God.

John Ervin
John Ervin
Jun 5, 2020 10:08 PM
Reply to  David Matthews

I feel you (both).

I was just trying to be a good sport, which has never been my day job. As I posted, it came to me that Jesus ascended is just that, heading sunward as the true sun, the more “potent” spiritual sun. What’s the Xmas Carol sing, “Hark! The herald Angels etc etc:

RISEN WITH HEALING IN HIS WINGS.

That’s quite the synecdoche for sun.

And on top of that, I thought of my good friend’s good friend (who d young and before I might have met her) Flannery O’Connor, a big fan of Aquinas and his Summa, although she said (as I feel) like a true artist, “I think we need a new synthesis.” She wrote a story,

“EVERYTHING THAT RISES MUST CONVERGE”

I thought of the many opiners who say Jesus was some syncretistic compilayion, an anthology of endrmic gods.

But I always hold all recidivist and think, “No, John scripts him in the last book: ‘I am the Alpha and Omega, the First and the Last”.

Of course, as the first Angel, Satan feels he has pride of place. But the Old Boy seems heretical, in taking that too far, “I’ll s’exagere.” And there in seems to like our conundrum.

And in that immense dialectic, past civilizations (hell, Minos on Crete had an amazingly advanced culture 5000 years ago, before the Son was a gleam in His Daddy’s eye, materially speaking) we have millions of seers and wise men and women who saw the truths of God, but as “through a glass darkly” as in 1Corinthians13.

All that had the creative fire of Love survived and outlived their brief day, by ascending and arriving in Jesus. Proof positive, to my eyes at least, that everything that rises *must* converge.

I guess it’s a Process.

Or as Thomas said, “Truth is Truth, wherever you find it.”

John Ervin
John Ervin
Jun 5, 2020 10:14 PM
Reply to  John Ervin

Man, sorry for the typos: she DIED when I was young, and “I go all recidivist” the others are looking legible enough. For some bizarre reason this phone has spell check that treats us both like a hydra-headed monster. I correct even twice often, but it knows better, wrestling with me to the bitter end.

breweriana
breweriana
Jun 5, 2020 8:07 PM
Reply to  tonyopmoc

John.
Religion and science are two sides of the same coin. There is no conflict.
 
Are you aware that the ‘Big Bang’ theory was first formulated by a Catholic Priest, years before Edwin Hubble’s findings actually proved it?
 
Georges Lemaître was a Belgian Catholic priest, mathematician, astronomer, and professor of physics at the Catholic University of Louvain. 
 
Before then (and for some time after) the cosmologists of the day argued that the Universe had been here ‘forever’ and there was no Creation. They even added a ‘miracle’ of their own, saying that Hydrogen just ‘spontaneously’ created itself!

breweriana
breweriana
Jun 5, 2020 8:21 PM
Reply to  breweriana

“In my Father’s house are many mansions: if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you.”
John 14:2
 
All ways to find Truth are valid, aren’t they?

John Ervin
John Ervin
Jun 5, 2020 10:37 PM
Reply to  breweriana

That’s a challenging idea. It has to do with preparation of the spirit. I’ve seen loved ones take that idea -all ways to find Truth are valid- and come to apparent ruin, but I do believe in freedom to choose. I believe though that under God we are all little children barely guessing our coming shape.

However, I taught a little Catechism, and I believe strongly in well taught and well laid “moral foundations”. They do need wise teachers. Anyone who approaches good with a sincere heart, and above all is humble enough to accept necessary correction, I am sure will be guided.

But I am very ignorant of so much, I would not offer much ex cathedra. What little I do know I don’t propound against objections, but merely move over or on, to more open ears.

But it’s all a perilous path. Perseverance always with patience will lead us Home.

My “Chief” consultant preaches, “On the highway to Trust, fear is the wrong exit.”

AUGUSTINE: “Love God and do what you want.”

But that takes deep discernment, as in the Chief gave a mission talk titled, “Is it Love or is it Lust, Baby?”

77X LOL!

John Ervin
John Ervin
Jun 5, 2020 11:05 PM
Reply to  breweriana

Considering my other post, my answer is that “all ways that rise to the Truth are valid”. But many many don’t even set out that way. We all need to ask for discernment, and asking often it will be given often.

And people who don’t grasp that much will get broken up. I know I did, and I had to read the signs, and stoop down and pick up all the pieces. Ongoing.

And anyone who does that much will get soundly and roundly blessed.

As my CHIEF friend also says, “We won’t be happy in Heaven until we recognize our own personal Hell.”

Amen to that! Now that is solid!

breweriana
breweriana
Jun 5, 2020 8:36 PM
Reply to  breweriana
John Ervin
John Ervin
Jun 5, 2020 10:19 PM
Reply to  breweriana

Yes, I know a little, many many Jesuits, then you had the luminous Teilhard de Chardin, in our Pope’s SJ

And many others. I bemoan the day that science supposedly broke from religion, but I had a chemistry lab at 7 and then took a full mock-up of the first Mercury Capsule to 2nd Grade Show and Tell in 1959, and the teacher laughed me out of class, because I believed it was all real.

John Pretty
John Pretty
Jun 5, 2020 1:04 PM
Reply to  tonyopmoc

Sorry, I prefer the conventional view.
 
I could probably spend the rest of my life providing sources, but if you prefer to believe this rubbish then there is nothing I can do to persuade you otherwise is there?

Mike Ellwood
Mike Ellwood
Jun 5, 2020 4:08 PM
Reply to  John Pretty

How about providing just one? Tony has provided several. You write them off as just “rubbish” without any justification.
 
 
Presumably you didn’t close your mind and stop learning after your chemistry degree in the 1980s. And even some of the things you learned then may well have been proved incorrect, or at least interpreted differently, in the 30-40 years since.
 
To take another subject, geology or Earth Sciences, the concept of continental drift was scoffed at for the first half of the 20th century, only to be adopted under the name of plate tectonics around the 1960s. It hadn’t yet made it into the textbooks that my wife used in A level Geography in the late 1960s, but in the Earth Sciences OU MSc she is completing now, it is accepted as fact, although there are still some controversies in that area. (e.g. “mantle plumes” & “hotspots”).
 
You appear to be giving the impression that you think that science is static and unchanging; I don’t actually think that is what you really believe, but that is the message we are getting.

Objective
Objective
Jun 6, 2020 12:26 AM
Reply to  tonyopmoc

Population v Poverty = Red herring, it all results in unsustainable consumption of natural resources.
 
Although technically oil isn’t fossilized, its really just pedantry how you label it. The fact is the planets economy is built on it, is that why globalists seek to demonize it?
 
Its pretty volatile nasty stuff if you get embroiled in it! One thing is absolutely certain its finite.

John Ervin
John Ervin
Jun 6, 2020 7:59 PM
Reply to  tonyopmoc

“The elegant solution, is to bring the rest of the world up to the same levels of education and wealth as the West, rather than just deliberately killing nearly everyone.”

That Elegant Solution would be elegant indeed, and is at the very heart of that best of the Kennedy elegance.

And its Camelot Charisma. Yes!

~~~~~¢£4£&$4$

“It is my strong conviction that a realist conception of human nature should be made the servant of an ethic of progressive justice, and not turned into a bastion of conservatism, especially one which defends unjust privileges.”

~~Reinhild Niebuhr

Martillo
Martillo
Jun 5, 2020 9:51 AM

USSA is built on genocide and lies. Gee I’m shocked….but the Kennedy Myth can save US?
 
Mercans do not question dear leader & your elite guardians of the holy hubris bloated rotten apple pie on which you are fed. Listen not to these dissidents, malcontents & un-Amerikan non sheeple rabble rousers. Remember Pentacon Kill Industries, the Washing town whore house & its all mighty Zero 1% empowered psychopathic Satanists are in control.
Do not doubt or falter or YOU TOO will be going on a permanent FEMA Punishment Park style sojourn. Now on your knees & let US prey & prey & then some. Remember o protoplasmic hopiated sons of Merca the sacred WASPish trinity of doctrinal tenets upon which the religion of the dogma of the Holy Hubris is erected.
Reject those fractured fairy tales for morons and cynics deviating from the electronic sheeple pen lovingly erected by our corpofascist owners.
 
 Get the unwashed USSAN masses to “believe” that some NaSA guys “landed” (pun intended) on the moon, shot a round of golf and then cruised a tad in their “moon” buggy…get the mugs to believe that and they will buy into any BS that their rulers decide to throw at them.
 


Ask not what Merca can do for you my fellow sheeple but indeed what you can do for the 001%. That is the meaning of a true patriot and the e$$ence of love that binds US and keeps US a great nation under Lucifer. Do not be led from the flock by those that cast doubt on our Sacred Trinity of the Holy Hubris and the tenets upon which our exceptionalism of lies and slaughter are erected.
KNOW YE THE FOLLOWING TRUTHS THAT YE TOO MAY BE SAVED
 
ONE:
Know ye that the evil Harvey Lee with magic bullets did alone smite the Knight of Camelot coz said Knight wanted to give away our stuff to the le$$er tribes not to mention smash the CIA crime gang into a million pieces. Ray Earl Redneck did whack Martin Luther King all by his lil self and that Palestinian Sirhan Sirhan murdered the other Kennedy guy even with a gun that fired no bullets into dead Kennedy guy because said Sirhan hated the pooh lil jewish “democracy” in apartheid, occupied Palestine. The more than 10 shots fired in that there kitchen picked up on radio are NOT important anymore than Jack Ruby whacking Harvey Lee under the noses of half of the Dallas POlice Department had anything thing to do with offing JFK.



 
TWO:
Our War Machine with NaSA did “land” a tin can on the moon “and do the other things” that Camelot Guy had promised before they blew his brains out in a car live on TV and waiting for the light to change. This mooning was pulled off with fred flintstone technology after microwaving our moononauts and boiling their brains in the Van Allen Belt, then cruising a further 380,000 klicks out to deep state space where no man had ventured before nor indeed since….to finally “land” (pun intended) on the moon ball. Then our guys scouted around in their moon buggy a tad, shot a round of golf and after delicious, nutritious moon snacks and some more bad “Hassleblad” selfies and mock moon rock snapshots blasted 60 miles up into lunar orbit, did dock with mother ship orbiting there at 4000 MPH, magically copulate can and mama ship and then blast home another 384,400.00 kms to splash down in time for more Hollyweird style kodachrome moments and then home to catch Archie Bunker on late nite TV. (Be not ye tricked by those that tell you that 50 years later we can’t even manage to get into the low orbiting International Space Station at 400 kms without that damn Vlad Putin’s rockets.) Our “moon scapades” stuff is still up there on the moon….the other side of course and the Chinese and Ruskies are so stupid they can’t find it!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xciCJfbTvE4
 
THREE:
17 cunning camel herders from the fecal filled feudal Crypt of Saud, our best buddy and keeper of our fiat filth petroscrip Saudi Mercan toilet paper IOU I$I$ “backed” dollah “re$erve currency”, did blow up Merca on 9 11 coz they hate our freedoms and the selfle$$ spreading of our dung like demokracy among the lesser tribes. This they did with magic carpet expertise and our NSA GESTAPO found Mr. Atta’s perfectly preserved passport (Allah Snack Bar) blocks away from the Thermite Towers and for this reason we have to wage war on all and sundry who dare U$e any toilet paper currency other than our own blood spattered and much smeared triple-ply U$er toilet paper to preserve the freedom$ of Planet Merca.
All these and more true lies are the very foundations upon which our exceptionalism is built. Should so much as one of these beliefs be cast into doubt…then my fellow sheeple our entire sheep farm would be in jeopardy and you would very quickly be shorn and become mutton.
 
https://www.corbettreport.com/911-a-conspiracy-theory/
 
 
The greatest scam ever perpetrated on the USSAN sheeple…and most still “refuse” to get it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xciCJfbTvE4
 

Martillo
Martillo
Jun 5, 2020 9:26 AM

(In case you are not aware, NASA has officially revived manned space launches on May 28 for the first time since Obama killed the Constellation rocket program in 2011, establishing a new program to return to the Moon before going to Mars under the Artemis Program established in 2017.

He lost me right there. if you still endorse the lie slash programming of “moon landing” then you have been asleep at the wheel or are simply shilling for empire.

 
Are you planning a trip to the Moon and you’re wondering what kinds of temperature you might experience. Well, you’re going to want to pack something to keep you warm, since the temperature of the Moon can dip down to -173°C during the night. Oh, but you’re going to want to keep some cool weather clothes too, since the temperature of the Moon in the day can rise to 127°C. But with your NaSA “space suit” you will have no problem Bob. Our patented Fred Flintstone tailors have taken care of all those pesky little details when one dre$$e$ to compensate for differences of almost 300 degrees celciUS. We’re Mercan goddamn!
 
Of Moonies and Loonies….deprogramming USSAN Hubri$!
NaSA admits “we” never went to the Moon. (Heresy in the land of rotten apple pie)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DpPMoIv1lxI
“Our” NAZI rocket guy explains how perhaps it could one day be done.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eXIDFx74aSY
Mr. Sibrel explains how gullible USSANS have been mooned.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xciCJfbTvE4
Even the NaSA “folks” are scoffing at the moon “landing” nonsense.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4O5dPsu66Kw
What is the temperature on the surface of the moon?
https://www.space.com/18175-moon-temperature.html
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z1UzHcavypY
Onward through the Van Allen Belt…without getting our critters crispied!

Martillo
Martillo
Jun 5, 2020 1:06 PM
Reply to  Martillo

Oh dear…-1 and dropping. I guess a moonie must have wandered by and taken offence at my stomping on his moon delUSions…oh well…the non sheeple man’s burden must be schlepped.

Confused
Confused
Jun 6, 2020 2:37 AM
Reply to  Martillo

The moon doesn’t rotate so if your at the same location there is little temperature variance…

Mikeb
Mikeb
Jun 5, 2020 9:20 AM

I think whoever was responsible for the assasinations did what they set out to do.
The world was waking up to what it had become, violent, destructive etc…
The world if it carried on in my opinion with more and more leaders showing people the right way would have had some kind of new renaissance of love, peace etc..
but they got chaos, a new war, cold but they got one.
A world of suspicion, hatred, anger.
I used to think that whoever it was, wanted to destroy humans and leave the world to start again.
But looking at events, all they lead to is chaos.
Chaos seems to be the goal to me, whoever it is seems to thrive on seeing, riots, looting, shootings, destruction, people suffering.
Is it some worldwide shiva cult?
Is it some Dr evil in a secret lair muhuhahaing rubbing his/her hands together?
Seeds of chaos sown here, there, ooooooo wait I can sow some there too.
I don’t know wtf is the end game if its not chaos, because its all thats happening as far as I can see.
Maybe its all a distraction from something else but what?

John Pretty
John Pretty
Jun 5, 2020 11:29 AM
Reply to  Mikeb

Order and chaos are just two sides of the same coin. You can’t have order without chaos, nor can you have chaos without order. The one defines the other.
 
 

John Ervin
John Ervin
Jun 5, 2020 11:55 PM
Reply to  John Pretty

Only down here. In this Creation. But “there will be a new Heaven and a new Earth”. And it is that on which Spirit builds a foundation of an indestructible Order of the union of love.

Who
Who
Jun 5, 2020 9:05 PM
Reply to  Mikeb

Go outside and look at a tree. It shows you how things evolve in this realm. The tree starts as as one trunk, eg highly ordered. As you go further up the tree(forward in time) it becomes more and more chaotic, splitting into many branches, going off in many different directions.

Things decay here. Things start highly ordered, as time goes by they become more chaotic. That seems to be the natural progression of everything here on Earth. .

Can only slow the progression to chaos…

David G. Horsman
David G. Horsman
Jun 7, 2020 2:31 PM
Reply to  Who

That branching is complexity not disorder. You chose a particularly bad metaphor.

Moneycircus
Moneycircus
Jun 5, 2020 7:37 AM
  • The murders of the Kennedys and the black political leadership was the re-engineering of a nation.
  • It followed the repatriation of the NAZI project to the USA by the same institutions that had funded it in Germany.
  • The corporate power structure is the protagonist and beneficiary with specific foundations in the driving seat.
  • Focus on the crime not the conspiracy (thanks, Joerg!)

 
Viewed as separate events, the deaths of the Kennedy brothers and son can be portrayed as “shit happens”. Yet shit happens to presidents and presidential candidates with strange regularity. That tells you about the ultimate nature of the American political system and who controls it. The offer you can’t refuse, comply or die, is the technique of the robber baron as much as the mafia. It’s no surprise that agencies working as an arm of the robber barons should co-operate so readily with the mafia.
Yes, there are assassinations in other countries but look closely at how many of those foreign assassinations are carried out by, or in the interests of, U.S. agencies, especially one that’s been described as a three-letter Wall St club.*
View the Kennedy deaths in a timeline with the elimination of the black political leadership, and you see a coup not against an individual but against a country.
Zoom out and there is the perpetuation of the war-time economy after WWII and the repatriation of the NAZI project back into America. This still elicits howls of denial and chest beating but I think the strongest denial nowadays represents disinformation from the security state.*
The reshaping of U.S. industry, foreign policy and even its form of government are presented by academics and the media as random, unrelated events. Once you identify the corporate power structure that owns the U.S., you can see it has used the same strategies abroad in interwar Germany and postwar Italy, through Operation Gladio in Europe and the NAZI-advised South American dictatorships. These events clearly share common protagonists and beneficiaries.
 
**The OSS-CIA effectively merged with the SS, making permanent what had been previously informal links like those of J.E. Hoover’s FBI with the Gestapo.
Industry saw the parallel merger of Standard Oil and IG Farben and the import of vast numbers of senior NAZIs into US industry and government, into the international financial institutions like the BIS, and globalist institutions like the UN, the EU. The founding leadership of all these institutions was NAZI and remained so until the NAZI generation died. The foundations what sponsored the NAZIs are very much still in existence.
 
*Permindex, Frank Terpil, Confessions of a Dangerous Man
 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iQyggh7Ats8
 
 

Sampo Vesterinen
Sampo Vesterinen
Jun 5, 2020 4:50 AM

Bobby didn’t hesitate to call direct grass root action “uncontrolled mob”.
 
You didn’t hear what the “mob” is saying? We can’t breath! Stop killing us!
 
How about uncontrolled breathing? How about taking of your collective knee off from our throat? How about not standing aside and telling us to go vote, to find yet another “leader”, while your Chauvinist thugs of systemic violence are suffocating us?

John Ervin
John Ervin
Jun 5, 2020 5:37 AM

Typical steer manure. Bobby has become the real “cause célebre” as a deep state target, since recent findings on the conspiracy in his murder have pushed his message, his populist priorities (he directly took the torch for “Poor People’s Campaign” when MLK was felled) and all that is best in America to the fore.

I’ve been hearing forever that he was an opportunist and it was all a photo op.

Yeah, right. He spent days on Indian Reservations in the last months of his life, and was adopted by the Lakota Sioux with the given tribal name Brave Heart.

On full display when he stood in a truck bed the evening MLK was shot and moved the crowds in the Indianapolis ghetto to tears, and Non-Violent, as noted in this piece.

But reading has never been a strong point of his assassins, or his brother’s. Once they killed their bodies, they went on in a workmanlike way, as trolls do, to assassinate their characters and nauseam. Infinitum? So it appears. Ridiculous, an ongoing marvel of a charade…

Those geniuses made a typical gaffe when they killed them both, in such cowardly ways too, from behind.

That has almost never happened before, killing two brothers of such national stature, and mostly it served just to duplicate their growing appeal and legend.

John Ervin
John Ervin
Jun 5, 2020 6:37 AM
Reply to  John Ervin

In the Thurston Clarke history, “The Last Campaign” Bobby would go with George McGovern to all kinds of Indian Reservations in his state of South Dakota. His campaign advisors went nuts, “Bobby, we need to be in California, the Primary is in 2 months. TWO MONTHS! The Indian vote is like .01% of our potential voter base!”

But Bobby would fly back to give talks to small groups whenever he could. This was very moving for me, since my patron saint is Kateri Tekakwitha, “Lily of the Mohawks”.

One day he told a reporter on his campaign plane, as they were flying out of “Indian Country” words that tell that tale, “My campaign aides just don’t understand how much I love Indians, the bastards.”

I was reading that book the very evening I heard on Pacifica Radio, about 830pm Election Night 2012, that Bobby’s grandson had been “called” as the winner of his first bid for Congress.

Just BEING a Kennedy, let alone running for office, comes with a complimentary bullseye for the back of your blazer, let alone winning.

So let’s not hear any revisionist chatter.

A bullseye, the way Mitch McConnell and Co. get endorsement ovals from the bigger Corporations, just like Nascar drivers. Of course, they’re too sincere to actually wear them. LOLLOLOLOLOLOLLL!

Sampo Vesterinen
Sampo Vesterinen
Jun 8, 2020 11:30 AM
Reply to  John Ervin

Respect to Brave Heart, a fellow man.
 
However, personality cults and left authoritarianism are not viable answer to right authoritarianism.
 
Centering your hopes and actions around the search for yet another Great Leader to center around, only to have your leader to betray your hopes by getting killed, selling out or what ever, is not going to pull us through these interesting times.

John Ervin
John Ervin
Jun 8, 2020 12:42 PM

With respect, I’ve addressed that several times on this thread, and often enough elsewhere here: the focus is not on the Kennedys; the primary target, as intended by those who chose to make them martyrs, it is their followers: to generate PTSD by one of the most grotesque crimes possible, among their supporters and then use that against them: sell them MKULTRA drugs, as did Timothy Leary, and other agents, direct propaganda of various flavors into their circles, etc. etc. And all the other psyops and harrassments du jour. (And then sundy AI provocations at websites, etc., of course, or just the usual.)

The pre-fabricated Theatre State.

And Voilà. Here we are. In 2020.

I chose Bobby because it’s his weekend, and his article. That much is in context?

Sampo Vesterinen
Sampo Vesterinen
Jun 8, 2020 7:38 PM
Reply to  John Ervin

There’s deep truth in what you say. But there’s no Great Conspiracy by some Evil Genious, just little men possessed by their possessions doing their little assassinations etc. everyday mundane murdering and looting for their most mindless pettiness, most hopeless short sighted gain.
 
I think God is an Anarchist. God is, after all, the archetypal parent, sum of hopes and needs and trust of a child. In the cycle of life a child grows into adult, becomes a parent and dies to make way for new generation, so that God can evolve and learn and experience through forms of life.
 
God cannot stay nailed into the cross of The Parent, the image that inner child of followers want to fix him, to be eternally sacrificed on the altar of Great Leader that a follower who refuses to grow up needs and recreates.
 
Sacrifice is just a form of murder. Inner child of the follower demanding that some fellow man must be sacrificed to become a Great Leader, so that the child need not grow up, to get inflicted with the terrible burden of freedom and responsibility.
 
“PTSD” you say, but we might as well as speak about rough teen age, on the level of the collective Western psyche. And if and when child dares to grow up into an adult, the Anarchist God becomes your peer, a good and caring friend. Your own divinity.

John Ervin
John Ervin
Jun 8, 2020 8:45 PM

No comment

JoeC
JoeC
Jun 5, 2020 3:43 AM

When are we going to realize leaders need us more than we need them. I hope my kids generation works it out. We’re not a good example. We need Bobby Kennedy? Give me a fucking break.

John Ervin
John Ervin
Jun 5, 2020 5:45 AM
Reply to  JoeC

A sure sign of a troll is speaking of the dead on his Anniversary with a potty mouth.

More solid than any litmus tests.

You’ll see that the paid stooges who try shaming always show that kind of lack of shame. Where there is the one, there is the other. Such a giveaway. If you look at YouTube or articles in standard press about Sirhan you will see pages and pages of such literacy.

You could just ignore them, but I personally believe it helps to put it in starker relief.

I mean, 50 years later, after their murders?

Why all the fuss?

It’s SUCH a tipoff.

JoeC
JoeC
Jun 5, 2020 6:16 AM
Reply to  John Ervin

Have a go at my potty mouth all you like. I’ve forgotten more about the Kennedy murders than you will ever know and no one paid me. You want to glorify and follow the dead then go ahead. Knock yourself out.

John Ervin
John Ervin
Jun 5, 2020 8:30 AM
Reply to  JoeC

You people are sillier than the SA “critics” who would show up in Germany’s 1930s theatres and throw vegetables at Bertolt Brecht and Kurt Weill during their plays. They were less laughable than you.

Your critiques have about as much depth and range and info as one of their rotten tomatoes. You’re just incredibly silly, I can go all over YouTube wherever the Kennedys are mentioned and scroll down through endless sewers of such feculent stuff. It’s amazing, it all sounds written by three or four besotted children. Seriously. You’ll be replaced by AI programs, and all things equal, they’ll probably be infected with the same silly comebacks. Somehow.

Feep Dake
Feep Dake
Jun 5, 2020 12:54 PM
Reply to  John Ervin

One even ponders whether the adversary is a ‘feep dake’? – If Eh Eye can gen er rate vids, then why not go lord of the rings on the T-Roll? Something fishy about the argument style, don’t you smell it?

John Ervin
John Ervin
Jun 5, 2020 4:44 PM
Reply to  Feep Dake

For years and years they almost all share memes of cheap word choice, strangest syntax, graceless grammar, and toward the bottom of the foul barrel, frequent spasmodic fits of misspelling, peculiar punctuation, and right on down the list.

Some show all those symptoms of the “right” variants of troll disease (are there any other), but most are just milder symptoms.

But tell-tale.

The more sophisticated merely cover those atavistic tendencies more carefully, like werewolves under a waxing 🌒 moon.

John Ervin
John Ervin
Jun 8, 2020 12:48 PM
Reply to  Feep Dake

Very cute spellings, but state of the art Eh Eye will decode homonyms, etc. Even dyslexic spellings, too lol

Reg
Reg
Jun 5, 2020 3:05 AM

Young Pharaoh follows up with another hard-hitting, energetic analysis.

Hugh O'Neill
Hugh O'Neill
Jun 5, 2020 2:47 AM

There are many serious flaws in this article, though its heart is in the right place. I don’t have the time to list its failures, but its one success is that it sees Bobby Kennedy as the champion of the poor and down-trodden, and an inspiring idealist. Few people have the immense courage of Jack or Bobby Kennedy. Both knew they were risking assassination but carried on regardless. Who among us could do likewise?
It is beyond tragic that the majority of comments below are so full of hatred and ignorance: either these comments are the output of trolls, or they are genuine examples of people so ill-informed about their own history because of incessant CIA propaganda.
It is beyond any doubt that the CIA murdered JFK and have been lying through their teeth ever since. Orwell’s warning “Whoever controls the past, controls the future” could not be more manifest. Since the CIA did the deed, then they must have done so for the simple reasons that JFK was a force for good, hence a direct threat to the CIA who are evil incarnate. For otherwise intelligent people to not understand this simple truth is a source of deepest concern. Only good guys get assassinated, and in the case of Jack and Bobby Kennedy, their assassination continues to this day. Wake up and smell the brimstone. Only the truth can set you free. Read James Douglass’ “JFK & The Unspeakable. Why he died and why it matters.” Since we are thinking today of Bobby, then it is appropriate to end with his campaign GBS quote: “Some men look at things and ask why. I dream of things that never were and ask, why not?”. Why not indeed?

John Ervin
John Ervin
Jun 5, 2020 4:37 AM
Reply to  Hugh O'Neill

BOTH Kennedy brothers knew in the weeks before they were killed, that they were marked men with a bullseye drawn on each of their backs ~or, as brutal media coverage convincingly showed us, heads.

But they soldiered on, as our too few leaders of true greatness that they were, like MLK.

JFK had a sense of it in ’63, and spoke with close friends and his loved ones, but braved a trip to Dallas in spite of a number of close advisors warning him not to go.

He soldiered on, as he had done so valiantly on PT-109. And Bobby is quoted in Thurston Clarke’s valuable book, “The Last Campaign” as telling family and associates, as well, something like, “Somehow I feel that there are guns between me and the White House.” (Read the book for the exact quote! Or, if you can’t, that’s close.)

As indeed there were, “guns”. Plural. Witnesses say so, forensics say so, audio says so, Coroner Noguchi said so, and included it in his book, “Coroner” (ironically he was on suspension for just such outspokenness, in 1982, when his L.A. offices handled the post-mortems for my own father’s assassination, which has its own dark connection to those events).

Sirhan’s thoat was cut last August in his San Diego pen, when he was transferred to more dangerous kitchen duty, in a non-fatal injury (there has been a deafening silence in media about it, across the board, since early September. TMZ was the lone outlet that ran some coverage, alone of its kind, on the assailant, in December, a lifer who is serving something like 500 years and doesn’t stand to lose much sleep over padding of his sentence!)

And about everybody in the world who’s followed this super-crime *knows* so.

Ah, except of course the FBI and CIA, et al., which should tell you something. There were a number of close witnesses who saw something like confetti falling through the air close to Sirhan’s gun, and others, including pro photographers, who saw flames up to a foot long coming from its small bore (.22) barrel. Both are evidence of “blanks”, and both accounts were taken from witnesses, by the FBI, eye-witnesses who were not called to testify at Sirhan’s bogus trial, nor was the evidence introduced in that epic charade.

Scanty coverage too, in 2013, when Sirhan was transferred to his current location: on November 22, the precise Golden Anniversary of Bobby’s brother, President John F. Kennedy. Monica Garstke, a San Diego reporter, was the only journalist I can find on record who followed up by calling the spokesman for our “glorious” California Department of Corrections (penal “lockdown” system) Luis Patino, who gave her this explanation (you can find it at Sirhan’s Wikipedia piece) something like: “Housing allotments for prisoners are done at random, and in California we have thousands daily, and the date and timing are just an unfortunate coincidence.”

That kind of story telling must be what gives “Coincidence Theories” a bad name, right?

Sirhan was raised in his early years in a city called Taybeh a short jaunt northeast of Jerusalem. I looked into its history.

Turns out, it was the last stop of Jesus of Nazareth, in the centuries that its name was Afram, and in His last days of life before Good Friday, where he paused to fast and gather the strength and resolve for His final hours of this life.

Shortly before Sirhan snd his family moved from there to USAmerica, and our “backyard” in Pasadena, Sirhan witnessed his older brother run over and killed by a Jordanian Jeep that was being chased by Israelis.

I have my own pet theory that that event, and others, afflicted him with the early PTSD that made him an ideal subject for “Manchurian Candidacy” and the 1967 hypnotic programming. Dr. Daniel Brown of Harvard says he has known few subjects more easily hypnotized.

(I note that with the knowledge that my father, John W. Ervin, who founded Beverly Hills oldest law firm, http://www.ecjlaw.com, was attorney to the 33rd Freemason who was seeing Sirhan at the end of 1967, at Philosophical Research Society’s reading library near Griffith Park, and who evidently was programming him, since a vast number of scholars have said that Sirhan was in a trance when he fired the Iver-Johnson .22…

As indeed he was. This is amply covered in “CIA Rogues: and the Killing of the Kennedys” by Patrick Nolan. And those library visits were mentioned, though Nolan did not shed any light on that very important thread.)

Just a few of “our” American Intel’s unsolved Super-Crimes.

As Sirhan’s lawyer, Bill Pepper (the most famous American that 99.9% of Americans have never heard of) has often said, “You’re not going to get the government to Indict itself.”

So, American patriots are obliged to keep more or less silent vigil, and muted witness ~for our heroes “Jack” and his devoted brother Bobby~ until that Day where Justice is seen.

And the *real* Lone Gunmen, and those who hired them, give a true account.

Meanwhile, tonight his Vigil.

Reg
Reg
Jun 5, 2020 2:36 AM

Anyone who’s on Epstein’s flight logs and/or in his little black book is automatically evil. Case in point: RFK Jr. Notice how these modern aristocrats have the “III” or “Jr” after their names? This guy’s nephew is Joe Kennedy III. He’s running for Senate from Massachusetts and he’s fully for mandatory vaccination. And uncle RFK Jr supports him! Uncle also supports Hillary! She’s is super pro-vaccine! It’s right out there in the open!

Hugh O'Neill
Hugh O'Neill
Jun 5, 2020 3:17 AM
Reply to  Reg

If you were to actually watch this video, you might learn something. For those of us who have watched it, or who know of the phenomenal work that RFK Jr. has done, we thus learn that you are dangerously ill-informed and ill-informing. Fool or knave – or both?

Reg
Reg
Jun 5, 2020 5:14 AM
Reply to  Hugh O'Neill

You are being led like lambs to the slaughterhouse. Good luck.

John Ervin
John Ervin
Jun 5, 2020 5:55 AM
Reply to  Reg

You are such an obvious flagrant naked team player for “The Other Side”. Hilarious. Good to know where you stand, or lie, it’s not a flare that goes up, it’s like that fireworks display I saw in Cannes, France, all summer 1974, that they set off from a flotilla of steamships and lit up the whole sky non-stop for hours.

Just like that, but just a little more visible.

Reg
Reg
Jun 5, 2020 5:15 AM
Reply to  Hugh O'Neill

You learn fucking nothing, Kennedy-worshipper.

John Ervin
John Ervin
Jun 5, 2020 6:08 AM
Reply to  Reg

Gosh, what an a- clown. You can’t add to the board without effbombing it.

So impressive. And invariably, like death and taxes, a certainty as to the nature of the post, and poster. Don’t hyperventilate from an inability to think and articulate in the same breath, we don’t want you to hurt yourself.

It helps our cause for all such individuals –paid traitors like Posner or McAdams, etc– to think this is about the Kennedys.

They were heroes, but not the correct focus of our inquiry.

This is all about saving our history from those who bludgeoned it with the same finesse they brought to the bludgeoning of the Kennedys and their families. Searching for true history and saving it from the bludgeoners.

That’s what patriots do.

Reg
Reg
Jun 5, 2020 7:02 AM
Reply to  John Ervin

I’m not done with you, boy. What the fuck was your RFK Jr doing with Epstein?

Reg
Reg
Jun 5, 2020 2:32 AM

The world desperately needs to dump the Kennedys in the dustbin of history. Screw the “dynasty”. Screw their “mystique”. They’re NOT on our side.
 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oisntdEljnM
 
YouTube’s made it tough to look for the full version of this video.

John Ervin
John Ervin
Jun 5, 2020 5:16 AM
Reply to  Reg

Your comment is a classic smoking gun of trollism. With or without the confetti. You even use the same exact phrase a pimpificattisimo troll, Dave Barton used a couple years ago in OC WEEKLY, “dustbin of history” ~ which is no doubt at their site, a piece that that phony called “The Optical Illusion of JFK”. I pinned it up, as it was clearly another CIA-funded hit piece. Or close enough, we’ll let them bask in it. And now you use the same wording as our little local rag of a few years ago? Interesting. But shtoopid (That’s an old “Laugh-In gag from their era.)

Such things serve to galvanize our energies, since the Kennedys lead now all the more, after their terrorist-led deaths, than even they could have best-case scenario led if they had lived. Hell, Bob Dylan was just the latest, and made an album out of it, “Murder Most Foul”. They are still leading.

The most bemusing point is that the SuperShills who run this joint, and are at the heart of what ails the world, must have spent a good trillion bucks in the inter-galactic cottage industry of shaming the Kennedys, with endless armies of shills (57 years! And counting!) and their lame-arsed efforts to drain off some of the charisma from the dead Kennedy Bros. Man, if that’s what it’s like to be dead, I guess sometimes death ain’t so bad.

Bemusing, simply because they just keep adding lustre, pouring on fuel and just fanning “The Eternal Flame” that lights the front of their graves, in Arlington Cemetery.

Not bemusing, hilarious. Keep it up, you’re doing great. Jesus didn’t get as much bad press in His first 50 years of all “their’ post-mortems.

Right? You should know I am.

Reg
Reg
Jun 5, 2020 5:23 AM
Reply to  John Ervin

Whatever, witless moron. Looking at Mr ’40 Affairs’ RFK Jr to lead you. If a guy screws with his wife, he’ll screw with you. Remember that.

John Ervin
John Ervin
Jun 5, 2020 6:09 AM
Reply to  Reg

Insanely insightful. Clown.

Reg
Reg
Jun 5, 2020 6:46 AM
Reply to  John Ervin

So nothing else to say, brain-dead idiot? Nothing about your boy being Epstein’s bitch?

Admin1
Admin
Admin1
Jun 5, 2020 11:59 AM
Reply to  Reg

You could both be making the same points, but better, without the ad hom. And more people might bother to read.

Reg
Reg
Jun 5, 2020 3:59 PM
Reply to  Admin1

Sorry, I get a bit warm with these hero-worshippers. I’ll refrain from the curses.

John Ervin
John Ervin
Jun 5, 2020 7:08 PM
Reply to  Reg

Cheap over, standard in the SOP bag of trix.

John Ervin
John Ervin
Jun 5, 2020 7:09 PM
Reply to  John Ervin

for “over” read cover. If that’s not too “over,” some.

John Ervin
John Ervin
Jun 5, 2020 7:02 PM
Reply to  Admin1

There’s nothing actually ad hom on my end. It’s all just science. If the two kinds of readers here can’t tell in the first two sentences of either side what is up, there is really no use for them reading on, so in the interests of brevity that’s one service.

(Like Debussy who would most often give piano recitals to an audience of one, as often did my piano Prof after our lessons, I am entirely content with minimalist audience, or readership. And now that the comment space is collapsible, it takes up less scroll. When I do music performance, the ad hominem is strictly coded, and it’s one venue where it’s never been a problem. In fact, there my biggest adversaries often become my biggest supporters, as in, “John, cant you just stick to music, please!” Besides, the smaller the quantity, often the higher the quality. That’s a known quantum. Historically stable. Sliding scale.)

And seeing trolls take the bait with such clownish knee-jerk replies helps not only to (better) Out (and, yes, better ‘profile”) some regular posters here, who otherwise lurk incessantly, but it illuminates a lot of the rest of the landscape and gets wheels turning: WHY such vitriol for JFK/RFK and others? It’s a transgenerational embedded vendetta of remarkable features, unlike any other. At all.

So we apologise if some replies show some of the features of gnarly ad hominem, but that is not in fact what they are, only the window dressing!

There is a vindicatable method to the “mad”ness.

And, certainly only on our part (I see this method somewhat elsewhere) there is mostly just method in seeming mad.

I’m always hoping some, or most, of that is apparent on my side.

I have been investigating these sundry techniques for maybe the last ten years, since I started work daily that deals with all types of “the public” for long stretches. Now it’s in quarantine, but when I do it I get cozied up daily by such Mystery Shoppers, which are in great abundance all over the place, here. Everywhere. A thriving Spookocracy. Buenos Aires in the ’30s did not have nearly this high a percentile of ubiquitous agents!

Well, thriving for *them*, or so they seem to feel. I hit upon some techniques by hit and miss, mostly. I found that, when I was well along in a dialogue where I felt I was being sussed out or even recruited, all I had to do was bring the names of ol’ Bobby or Jack into the frame, and but a little of that and I would actually see sometimes their hands start shaking, upper lips moistening, palms or foreheads sweating. I’m dead serious.

Well, it’s all in how you treat the subject, but it works as an active pest repellent. You wouldn’t believe one such exchange, after twenty minutes along, the guy who was with his date, out for a stroll on our Pier here (where I just saw June 3 the first and only “protest” –or pro-test, or Pro Test– I’ve ever seen here in town in 60 years, none before from Central Casting anyway, with a cast of hundreds) and he began stroking me with an offer to publish (and pay) me in what sounded like a big magazine. Well, he told me, in passing, he was a scion of a branch of the family whose patriarch was Elihu Root, a very significant player indeed, as a Secretary of War over 100 years ago, shaping what has become much of U.S. foreign policy. It was at that point I blithely interjected Bobby’s name.

It was pure comedy the rank celerity with which his expression changed, and darkened into a growing scowl, especially when I carried on to the “two shooters” narrative. I got about three sentences out my lips, standard limit for these kinds, and he leaned over the Pier railing, looked around, then said, “Look I gotta get her to the airport, wish I could stay.” But, but, but I stammered. “You’ve got my number, give me a call.” And took off into the milling nocturnal crowds like a scalded cat. Interesting too that my publisher of 10 years had recently stopped returning my email, a sharp about face after years of pampering me (without pay, though). [By the way, I read up on Elihu Root, noting on my rounds this guy on the family tree, to see if he had membership in any of the affiliated Masonic groups. No, no mention, but then following through with relatives, it appeared his dearest brother was one highly exalted Freemason…]

So I have been in a mode, with a pretty dammed peculiar profile, of having to prove my bona fides and “techniques” (soi-disant, if you can call them) repeatedly all of my professional life, and often enough elsewhere. I guess it goes with the territory.

It’s all good. There are indeed other functions to those “mechanisms”. But I should no doubt cover my hand. These days anyway!

~~~~~£4£&$4$

“I done seen the varmint!”

~Louis L’Amour, “The Way West

O Lucky Man!
O Lucky Man!
Jun 5, 2020 9:17 AM
Reply to  Reg

Worth being aware of the divise nature of Dr. Shiva so you can draw your conclusions about this. Also worth being aware that saying you are not “anti-vaccine” is not the same as saying you are “pro-vaccine”. This is a manufactured polarity to setup emotion fuelled conflict and division as in so many other areas such as climate change that closes down any nuanced rational debate.
 
It would be quite possible to have a vaccination program based on methods, quantities and timings that are related to true health promotion and the personal nature of the individual, including their or their guardian’s own decision on whether they wanted to accept all or any of them, that is currently a million miles from the corporatised, comodified, massive profit generating, liability free, science suppressing nature of current vaccine regimes.
 
Take a look at this article from Robert Kennedy’s website to get an insight into the contetious nature of Dr. Shiva’s need to criticise him. Dr. Buttar is another who has become aware of Dr. Shiva’s inconsistencies.
 
https://childrenshealthdefense.org/news/critical-questions-for-dr-shiva-about-his-attempts-to-splinter-the-health-freedom-movement/

Toby Russell
Toby Russell
Jun 5, 2020 9:28 AM
Reply to  O Lucky Man!

I’m suspicious of Dr Shiva, but wonder why RFK has supported Hillary Clinton three times, with HRC being heavily funded by the Pig Pharma industry he otherwise rightly exposes. Do you have a feasible explanation?
 
All I want is to humbly follow the truth.

Reg
Reg
Jun 5, 2020 9:54 AM
Reply to  Toby Russell

Then, Toby, be suspicious of a lawyer like RFK Jr. Their very nature is to use words to hoodwink you.

Toby Russell
Toby Russell
Jun 5, 2020 11:05 AM
Reply to  Reg

I am suspicious of RFK, or rather, sceptical about what he says. But that’s because I’m sceptical of everything and everyone. To the degree that I can, I follow the facts, no matter who speaks them or where they lead. When new facts come along that throw more light on the situation, I adjust accordingly. I’m not fervently against individual people per se – although Bill Gates does indeed trigger me – but against deliberate deception, mendacity, all that.

O Lucky Man!
O Lucky Man!
Jun 5, 2020 10:27 AM
Reply to  Toby Russell

Well the simple answer would be the man is not infallible. It concerns me as well, but is something I can see as a grey area that does not outweigh his overall contribution.
 
This is informative on how Hillary (and others) were still very open to investigating the vaccine agenda back in 2008 when he first endorsed her.
 
https://www.salon.com/2008/05/05/vaccine_pandering/
 
And his endorsement in 2016 was quite nuanced on the back of his initial support for Sanders and his assessment that Sanders would affect her agenda positively. An error of judgement in my view that he now appears to have corrected.
 
https://news.yahoo.com/robert-kennedy-jr-endorses-hillary-clinton-194331841.html
 
I personally am not one to find any fault in a personality as a condemnation that outweighs all other positive aspects of their character. Having to classify everyone as either “good” or “bad” without accepting the nature of any and all of our complexities and flaws as human beings is very limiting. There will always be colour shades in between.

Toby Russell
Toby Russell
Jun 5, 2020 11:18 AM
Reply to  O Lucky Man!

That Salon article is just dreadful. Clinton’s, Obama’s and McCain’s openness was likely just a move to attract a certain voter demographic – angry Moms. The problem we have is that we just don’t know. On the other hand, for RFK’s errors of judgement to be innocent – unlikely considering a lifetime in politics – does not speak highly either of his political acumen or of his moral fibre. And it’s worse for him, of course, if he’s cynically using his position to stymy radical change.
 
What you say about overlooking the positives because of a few negatives is an important point, but the argument that people like Sanders and RFK are used to mop up radical dissent from areas like vaccine truth is compelling. My approach is simply to go with what’s true: To the degree that RFK’s efforts bring valuable truths to light, I’m all for them. To the degree he’s a kind of lightning rod preventing real change from happening, I’m all against him. But that’s without being in a position to know how true the latter might be. Hence, follow facts, not ideologies or beliefs.
 
Thank you for your response though, it was helpful.

O Lucky Man!
O Lucky Man!
Jun 5, 2020 11:41 AM
Reply to  Toby Russell

Also appreciated. I would be interested on your thoughts around the lightning rod concept. Robert Kennedy is a focus of rejection of the current corrupted and injurious vaccine agenda and has taken much action within his power to that end, with his views opening up a lot of awareness and inspiring other’s actions. I am not sure this is in any way preventing real change from happening. What in your opinion would his absence allow to flourish?

Toby Russell
Toby Russell
Jun 5, 2020 12:43 PM
Reply to  O Lucky Man!

My assessment is that in this case the proof will be in the pudding. Thus far, what I have learned is his endorsement of HRC three times and of his nephew more recently, both of whom are pro-vaccine and supported strongly by Big Pharma. For me, that’s not quite enough proof to condemn him as a shill or stooge or whatever in perpetuity, but that data is a red flag.
 
A lightning rod is useful when lightning strikes, not so much when the storm is brewing. So his absence, in my view, would be on the whole negative for the movement at this point. Again, to the degree he brings hidden truths to light that would otherwise not be exposed, I am all for him.
 
But in the end, neither my opinions nor beliefs matter. It’s all about the facts and getting those facts exposed and discussed as widely as possible, in an impartial, scientific manner.

Reg
Reg
Jun 5, 2020 9:50 AM
Reply to  O Lucky Man!

Buttar is a gopher. He came out with some New Age rubbish a while ago about turning the earth with the power of collective thought at 11am or 11pm on a Sunday. In that clip he was clearly implanting the message that life had changed and that we had better get used to it. And the way to do it was to send positive vibes out into the universe. His core message is don’t resist, just obey. RFK Jr is NOT against mandated vaccines. He has said with stunning clarity that he is all for vaccines. He is playing a game. He wants to keeps his uncle’s vaccine courts. He is in bed, in a manner of speaking, with Hillary. Hillary and Gates are both for mandated vaccines. It’s not Dr Shiva who’s being divisive, it’s celebrities like RFK Jr who want to take over a movement and lead it down the garden path to eventual doom.

Mishko
Mishko
Jun 5, 2020 2:02 PM
Reply to  Reg

Buttar is about:”Vaccines are wonderful and healthy if we make
the effort to use them in an intelligent and correct way!”
But he fails to mention the risks in application and the lack
of doubleblind test programs, the lack of testing period.
https://blog.nomorefakenews.com/2020/06/03/dangerous-nano-particles-contaminating-many-vaccines/
 
Also, what is with all the hindu’s lately?
La Trudeaux has also teamed up with a hindu/sikh for profit and corruption.

Reg
Reg
Jun 5, 2020 4:02 PM
Reply to  Mishko

Exactly. And I challenge anyone to tell me they’re fine with injecting bits of aborted foetuses, mercury, aluminium, formaldehyde and other shite into their little kids. Go on then, I dare you!

Alessandro
Alessandro
Jun 5, 2020 1:48 AM

Wow, a lot of hate in the comments below, so much that it turns a man with 2 eyes off continuing.

Objective
Objective
Jun 5, 2020 3:08 AM
Reply to  Alessandro

This is an identity politics free zone please report to your sergeant for further training.

John Ervin
John Ervin
Jun 5, 2020 6:13 AM
Reply to  Alessandro

Wow, Agent 77, so canny and cagey: “Pay no attention to the 77 wizards behind the curtain…

PAY NO ATTENTION TO THE WIZARDS BEHIND THE….

Lather, rinse, repeat.

Your in-house doctor sez “take 2 truth serums and call me in the morning.”

Aaron
Aaron
Jun 5, 2020 1:36 AM

Yeah, in relation to the title, my favorite RFK quote; “I found out something I never knew. I found out that my world was not the real world.”

John Ervin
John Ervin
Jun 5, 2020 8:11 AM
Reply to  Aaron

What was impressive about Bobby, unlike losers, he would see a hope crushed or a dream dashed, and get back up, dust himself off, and learn and grow, and grow spiritually. Out of the crushing instrument of torture that was his brother’s assassination, he came out stronger and kept on growing. It’s hard to tell what his ceiling was, he was showing us such great gifts. He was very blessed…. IS.

When I met my future brother-in-law in 1971 he told us a harrowing tale of how he’d driven his VW van under a big rig truck on our L.A. freeways. Those vintage German death traps (I drove 3) had almost no reinforcement beyond a little metal in the front, and he “woke up” from the wreck an hour later, with a fireman using a blowtorch deftly to disentangle Rick’s mangled legs from the metal, and a priest giving him his Last Rites. He told the good Father there was no point, “I ain’t going to die.” And then he went into a coma.

He woke up 8 months later in hospital. It was a long long rehab, he was not yet 20, and he didn’t have much use in his legs, which he kept. So he built up his upper body to an enormous girth, and became more mobile. One day during the spring of ’68 campaign, he heard a bustle of people outside his hospital narrow room, and suddenly that unmistakeable Boston brogue of Bobby’s. RFK was poking his head in more or less randomly to different rooms, and somehow skipped Rick’s. As dismal a time as he’d been having, that was too much, he lifted himself out of bed and on his crutches struggled down the hall, with Bobby always moving on just out of sight and earshot, at each turn of the halls.

Well that problem was solved when he fell, with a loud clatter. There was a silence, then he saw, from upside down on his back, Bobby padding back, first alone, then with aides in tow right behind, to help him up.

And when that was accomplished, Bobby stayed on for 5 minutes (that’s credible, as I’ve talked to other people over the years who paint that same personal portrait) to ask him how he’d got himself into such a scrape, and all about it. I forget the other details, but I think he gave him his card and phone number and told him to call after it was all over… I know a famous congressman who did that very thing with me, complete with his private secretary’s number. Hey, it happens.

Needless to say, Rick became a real fan of the man, as did yours truly. I had not cared one way or the other until the last two years of Bobby’s pilgrimage. But after that I was hooked.

There were so many spiritual charms at play, or at work, that after many wanderings led me somehow to Rome, and a faith once-upon-a-time seeded there 2000 years ago.

It wasn’t before the last few years that I began to understand that all the first telling influences had come my way out of Bobby Kennedy, and not a little of that was though many gifts from his brother Jack.

Their passionate zeal for the Social Gospel, much of that from Pope Leo XIII a champion of Labor, and of course their own contemporary Pope, the pontiff that Graham Greene fondly called Pope John Roncalli, and since, just recently, titled Pope St. John XXIII.

It was both their brotherly Passions for social justice that win my heart in the end. (Oh yes, but I almost forgot, they didn’t always clean up after their dogs, and on occasion forgot to shine all their shoes! LOLLOLOLOLOL)

I have heard many times that Bobby would stop by the NYC flat of his widowed sister-in-law Jackie ~every day!~ and pick up her two fatherless children, to take them to morning Mass.

In his days with all the workload of a junior Senator from New York, as a mere thirty something survivor.

Gary Weglarz
Gary Weglarz
Jun 5, 2020 1:26 AM

Since the article below was posted today by Bobby Kennedy’s son, RFK Jr at his Children’s Health website – I figure it is appropriate to share it with this article about his father.
 
The article is an up to date analysis of the Covid data now compiled – which results in the complete destruction of the MSM narratives on Covid. It is very much worth reading.
 
https://childrenshealthdefense.org/news/lockdown-lunacy-the-thinking-persons-guide/?utm_source=salsa&eType=EmailBlastContent&eId=fb4def25-9094-4036-b0bc-affc7582badc
 
 

Reg
Reg
Jun 5, 2020 2:04 AM
Reply to  Gary Weglarz

RFK Jr is a pied piper. His job is to deceive you. He is like Bernie Sanders. Says all the right things but when the time comes, he will brutally screw you. He is an Establishment tool. He is there to make sure your anger is dissipated and drained away safely. He is not one of the people, he is a Kennedy. They look down on ordinary people. That Kennedy “mystique” deserves to be mercilessly, brutally shattered so that it never rears its ugly head again.

Hugh O'Neill
Hugh O'Neill
Jun 5, 2020 3:19 AM
Reply to  Gary Weglarz

Thanks Gary. What a superb paper. RFK Jr. is a huge credit to both Jack and Bobby.

Gary Weglarz
Gary Weglarz
Jun 5, 2020 3:43 AM
Reply to  Hugh O'Neill

Hugh – there is really nothing like a positive article (or comment) about ANY of the Kennedy’s to bring out that uber-strange combination of deep state trolls and just the usual foaming at the mouth brigade. 🙂

Hugh O'Neill
Hugh O'Neill
Jun 5, 2020 12:37 PM
Reply to  Gary Weglarz

Evening Gary. Their vitriol, bile and hatred is quite shocking even 52 years after he died. There are some very sick and depraved souls around. Maybe Off-guardian should employ an exorcist. Its a tough call having to feel compassion for them, but at least it arrests the descent into madness if one party can remain sane, polite and forgiving. Kill them with kindness?

kim
kim
Jun 5, 2020 1:15 AM

The biggest difference with the new manned NASA missions, in contrast to the old missions, is that this time the CGI will be much much better, so any landings on the moon will look real this time around.
 
Apart from that it will be a hoax like the landings in the 60’s to cover up for a failing US military, which has fallen behind Russia again in Rocket technology, Missile defence, aircraft and hypersonic ICBM’s.
 
Whenever the US fails at anything, like space, just wait a few months and a solution will suddenly appear to make it seem like the USA is doing well again. We all need our own private little CIA to make stuff better for us when we fuck up.

paul
paul
Jun 5, 2020 12:41 AM

The Kennedys and the Kings and the Gandhis and the Mandelas and the Churchills and their ilk were just silver tongued shysters, grifters and con men, out for what they could get, retrospectively canonised in carefully crafted created legends and fantasies. None of these figures could bear too much scrutiny of their real character and habits.
 
Kennedy (J) was walking around high as a kite with his trousers permanently round his ankles. All working together, Slick Willie, Trump, Creepy Joe and Epstein couldn’t hold a candle to him. You could say much the same about all of them. Yet we are required to hero worship these characters.

Objective
Objective
Jun 5, 2020 12:15 AM

Robert Kennedy as a Force in World History

 
 
Was a zionist!
 
I have no issue with jews, they just don’t figure in my daily life its unimportant to me. I don’t even have an issue with AN Israel, as long as it doesn’t take over already occupied land.
 
Its the principle behind Zionism & the kind thinking behind it, that I take Issue with, its based on one group believing they are somehow entitled & superior to everyone else.
 
So what does being a zionist say about Robert Kennedy, I’ve never bought into the hero worship of the Kennedy’s!
 
 

Charlotte Russe
Charlotte Russe
Jun 5, 2020 12:13 AM

 
A SIMILAR UNFORTUNATE FATE
 
 
It’s not wise to mythologize historical figures, especially politicians inasmuch as their lives are usually too complex and nuanced to glorify. That’s particularly the case for JFK and RFK whose politics were not always as enlightened as some would think. An example of this was their affection for Joe McCarthy:
 
“The ties with Bobby were forged when Joe McCarthy gave RFK a job as minority counsel to his Senate committee investigating domestic communism. Though RFK would later have an intense falling out with McCarthy’s other counsel Roy Cohn, the younger Kennedy brother would maintain a deep loyalty to McCarthy.” 
 
It was old man Joe Kennedy who admired Joe McCarthy. In fact, it was ambitious Joe Kennedy who wanted JFK to become president. That objective was achieved through Joe Kennedy’s insidious deals with the Chicago mob. You would think JFK and RFK would’ve known about their father’s wily Mafia transactions, and why RFK’s aggressive
investigations into the mafia seemed so peculiar. Many said RFK’s attack against the mob lead to his brother’s assassination. 
 
It should be noted, that as attorney General “RFK was at times utterly clueless about the vicious racism in his own country. On his watch, civil-rights protesters were beaten and hosed and set upon by dogs. On his watch, the infamous head of the FBI J. Edgar Hoover decided to wiretap Martin Luther King, and Bobby went along.”
 
And when it came to foreign policy, JFK asked his brother to oversee a clandestine mission, Operation Mongoose, designed to eliminate Fidel Castro. “Hundreds of millions of dollars were spent building secret bases, training spies and developing what many operatives realized, even then, were increasingly bizarre ways to do away with Castro.”
 
RFK’s political transformation occurred after his brother’s murder. 
 
 Having said that, today’s pathetic political landscape lacks any credible
 leadership. It’s important to note, that half a century ago numerous organizers had the ability to inspire and mobilize millions to fight for social justice. However, every popular inspirational leader who showed how race, class, and US imperialism is connected met with a similar unfortunate fate–assassination.   
 
Over the last five decades, the intelligence agencies eliminated all genuine Leftist organizers and co-opted labor unions and other Leftist groups.  And that’s why in 2020 US voters are besieged by a corrupt political duopoly, or a collection of phony baloney political activists who spend most of their time self-promoting on MSNBC or CNN.
 
 
 
 

Hugh O'Neill
Hugh O'Neill
Jun 5, 2020 3:33 AM

Charlotte. I suspect that even you have swallowed too much propaganda. I would suggest that you read David Nasaw’s biography of Joseph Kennedy “The Patriarch”. Do you really believe that Bobby could attack the mob that was in collusion with his own father? Really? The CIA narrative would have you believe all manner of dirt, which is very much like the proverb about seeing the speck in your brother’s eye despite the plank in your own. Your
“…Many said RFK’s attack against the mob lead to his brother’s assassination….” is a prime example of nonsense. The ‘many’ in this instance might be the CIA under Operation Mockingbird. But even if ‘many’ says so, does that make it true? Edgar Hoover was in the pay of the Mob and even until the 60s denied that organised crime even existed. Doh! So Hoover wold be no friend of Bobby’s. Likewise, when JFK swore to splinter the CIA into a thousand pieces, he may not have been too popular with Allen Dulles & Co. To be opposed by both the FBI and the CIA makes for a lonely road.

Charlotte Ruse
Charlotte Ruse
Jun 5, 2020 4:43 AM
Reply to  Hugh O'Neill

JFK’S assassination was a CIA/mobster combined operation. Jack Ruby was deployed to eliminate Oswald…….

John Ervin
John Ervin
Jun 5, 2020 8:57 AM
Reply to  Hugh O'Neill

Thanks, Hugh, for bringing out Nasaw. His scholarship is widely respected. Joe imported legally more Scotch than anybody, so he had slim need to bootleg, and all the rest. The source of the Mafia smear is Frank Costello. Period. And yet people are throwing that in my face forever, it’s the Right’s one trick pony. It seems now to be one way or another the one size fits all. Ludicrous. It’s all buttressed by planted disinfo thru CIA. They do it like the yellow cake uranium scam under Condoleeeeza and W. None of the Cuba stuff has even a shredded shred of substance, for those who know the subject somewhat.

John Ervin
John Ervin
Jun 5, 2020 8:48 AM

That is all really old news. I get a comeback everytime about Joe Sr. that he was a bootlegger. Just for starters.

It’s not informed commentary. All the real scholarship says so. In “The Patriarch” that scholar debunks all that about Joe Sr.

Problem is, there are such oceans of hooey dumped on the Kennedy histories. I’ve made it easy: if it’s a smear, if somebody is putting in “the bad word” for the ol’ Kennedys, it’s probably just another (character) assassination du jour.

They come in ALL flavors, when it comes to them.

It’s truly amazing. There are reasons: the forces behind it are still hiring armies of trolls, because they know if the truth comes out the whole house of cards comes down.

But SIXTY years later? Wow.

Charlotte Russe
Charlotte Russe
Jun 5, 2020 12:05 PM
Reply to  John Ervin

Start doing better research.

John Ervin
John Ervin
Jun 5, 2020 7:25 PM

Oh snap

John Ervin
John Ervin
Jun 5, 2020 7:22 PM

That’s been my take for decades living and watching it. CIA and Allies (lots of Spooks) is worse than “Invasion of the Body Snatchers” or some Alien Virus (think the black oil of X Files, which works great).

They infiltrate, harrass, slowly recuperate, in the end they eviscerate and replace it with their own pods.

It’s disgusting and practically at the very root of what’s wrong.

Look for it everywhere 24/7, funded by The Philanthropists.

An obsene Methodology for eating the World, and whatever it can.

Especially Labor and the Arts. That’s what Angleton meant in abandoning us to a Wilderness of Mirrors. Conflation of Simulacra. He died believing the CIA “early eminences” were all “deservedly belonging in Hell.”

Saying, “I guess I will see them there soon.’

Whatever, who can trust what he ever said.

But he sure left us ALL holding a bag of snakes.

Tom Dicanarry
Tom Dicanarry
Jun 4, 2020 11:47 PM

“To return to the moon” implies that you’ve been there before.

Germs Bond
Germs Bond
Jun 5, 2020 12:37 AM
Reply to  Tom Dicanarry

A definite implication. When different nations talk of placing a man on Mars be certain this is nonsense and that they are collaborating to fool the pathetic sheep of this world.

kim
kim
Jun 5, 2020 1:17 AM
Reply to  Tom Dicanarry

From speech by Kennedy to landing on the moon in only 7 years. It is incredible that scientists don’t question it. when it is such an obvious fraud.

jay
jay
Jun 4, 2020 11:44 PM

Sure, Bobby and JFK weren’t from the most righteous backgrounds, but they must’ve known what they were trying to do would put their lives on the line.
God does raise up and inspire good leaders.

JDee
JDee
Jun 4, 2020 11:08 PM

The article was an attempt at optimism in a deeply pessimistic era it appears for the USA yet the replies are steeped in the old hate and misery that goes on and on…when will some people stop ruminating about the past and start to see that life is not something that happens…life begins in the here and now with each one of us today…

John Ervin
John Ervin
Jun 6, 2020 8:33 PM
Reply to  JDee

They won’t stop.

God alone can stop them. I hope he stops the acts of illness by healing them.

That’s the best way.

Jim McDonagh
Jim McDonagh
Jun 4, 2020 11:06 PM

RFK was a mean spirited Jesuitical bastard blessed with good looks and great speech writers. Jimmy Hoffa did far more for the American working man than RFK, whose need for vengeance against the deep state that assassinated his brother ensured that he would never by POTUS. The same deep state that signed off on RFK’s desire as attorney generals to rid America of Mr Hoffa. The hypocrisy in this was and remains monumental.

John Ervin
John Ervin
Jun 6, 2020 8:36 PM
Reply to  Jim McDonagh

ALL the bad press against them is just old old CIA canards, put out at Langley like they print mad money here.

Everybody knows that. Except those online mercenaries who are trained not to. LOL

MoH
MoH
Jun 4, 2020 10:53 PM

I dont know how valid it is to get misty eyed about the Kennedy’s though its generally accepted that the Kennedy’s were better than the others on offer. However if Bobby Kennedy is so much of a hero, and I have seen plenty of US shows and films for that message (propaganda?) to be the case, therefore I am certainly impressed by his son RFK Jr and what he has to say on the corona hoax, how bad vaccines are and the incoming technocracy. He doesnt (appear) to get involved with identitarian politics, called CNN fake news and been the main person leading the anti vaxx movement in the US for some time. If we lived in a sane world this man could have been president, but as we all know we live in a nasty world where we cant have good things. Despite that I think Bobby Kennedy would have been very proud of his son
 
https://childrenshealthdefense.org/news/the-brave-new-world-of-bill-gates-and-big-telecom/
 

 
 

Jim McDonagh
Jim McDonagh
Jun 4, 2020 11:07 PM
Reply to  MoH

Being a prescription drug junkie he is well versed in the hypocrisy his clan often embraced.

Reg
Reg
Jun 5, 2020 2:08 AM
Reply to  MoH

RFK Jr is a fraud. Like Bernie Sanders. Look, mate, just turn your back on the Kennedy “mystique”. You don’t need it to guide you in your life. These people are the elite. They have big houses in Hyannis Port and mingle with people who look down on you. His uncle Ted walked away from a dying girl trapped in a car. You wouldn’t be able to pull that off. Fuck the Kennedys.
 
https://rfkexposed.com/

MoH
MoH
Jun 5, 2020 10:45 AM
Reply to  Reg

 ‘its generally accepted that the Kennedy’s were better than the others on offer’

Hugh O'Neill
Hugh O'Neill
Jun 5, 2020 3:41 AM
Reply to  MoH

Maybe you should read Schlesinger on RFK, or perhaps RFK’s “13 Days. A Memoir of the Cuban Missile Crisis”. Bobby was fearless and was no fool. He knew that the MIC had murdered his brother and had to tread a very difficult path. Despite that, he put his life on the line because he believed that people are inherently good. Such idealism is to the CIA what Holy Water, Sunlight, crucifixes and garlic are to Dracula.

John Ervin
John Ervin
Jun 5, 2020 9:02 AM
Reply to  Hugh O'Neill

🤗😅

John Ervin
John Ervin
Jun 7, 2020 6:05 AM
Reply to  Hugh O'Neill

“Such idealism is to the CIA what Holy Water, Sunlight, crucifixes and garlic are to Dracula.”

That’s a classic.

Reachable Spike
Reachable Spike
Jun 4, 2020 10:43 PM

This hagiography of Robert Kennedy is not at all realistic. The exaltation began in the early 1970s, born out of sentimentality prompted by the despair of the Nixon years. If the truth be told, though, he was not that well received while he was alive.
 
Until near the end he was dismissive of liberals or leftists (as being politically suicidal) but he did rise to the occasion, in some respects, during his presidential campaign.
 
One is not supposed to say this, but he was the predecessor to Hillary Clinton in being uncritically adored by black Americans. I can only theorize about this, but I think it has to do with an oppressed minority looking desperately for heroes, and not being generally well informed, and latching on to someone with a familiar name associated — accurately or not — with being a heroic ally. But, as mentioned before, he did rise to the occasion.
 
I had hopes for him when he was a presidential candidate, but, frankly, he dashed them when he said he was going to provide Israel with 100 military aircraft. I wasn’t even much of an anti-Zionist back then, but the sheer breathtaking pandering of the statement fixed him in my thoughts as being just a conventional politician.
 
The author’s comments about the space program and the leftists are way off base. The moon landing was an enormous publicity stunt. It was certainly exciting but it wore thin very quickly. Manned space flight is cruel to those subjected to it, serves no real positive purpose for society, and is very expensive. Sending people to Mars is beyond insane. As far as the 60s radicals were concerned, they were the only hope, most of them were very sincere, and the Weather Underground was the aberration not the norm.
 
Robert Kennedy was brave and bold and eloquent. Even if viewed through a sentimental cloud he is still rightly an inspiring figure. His son Robert Jr. is brave and bold as well, exceeds his father in his dedication to the truth, and has many good things to say, even if he does at times go over-the-top.
 

Jim McDonagh
Jim McDonagh
Jun 4, 2020 11:10 PM

Starts out well then devolves into cheer-leading ?

Hugh O'Neill
Hugh O'Neill
Jun 5, 2020 3:47 AM

Maybe you need to read of the battles that Jack and Bobby had to wage to ensure that black students could attend hitherto white only universities. Or Jack Kennedy’s TV speech on June 12th 1963 as the direct father to the speech that RFK made announcing the death of MLK. As always, simply read Douglass “JFK & The Unspeakable”

Waldorf
Waldorf
Jun 5, 2020 6:58 AM

He was an associate of Joe McCarthy although he clashed with Roy Cohn. In the 50s certainly he actually helped persecute liberals and leftists.
My earliest memory of a news event (other than a certain background awareness of the Vietnam War) was Robert Kennedy’s portrait appearing on the TV like a test card when he was assassinated (I was born earlier in the 1960s).

David G. Horsman
David G. Horsman
Jun 7, 2020 8:11 PM
Reply to  Waldorf

Born in Canada in 1960, my second memory in life was JFK having his brains shot out repeatedly on TV. It was confusing but the adults seemed quite agitated about it.

John Ervin
John Ervin
Jun 7, 2020 6:58 PM

Such sincerity is admirable. Its like Wikipedia in its header paragraphs on Sirhan’s pages says something like, “Scholars believe the assassination was the first instance of Middle-Eastern terrorism on American soil” about Sirhan, a Greek Orthodox Christian who went to High School (and Junior High) in L.A. and then Pasadena City College nearby!

All his friends, family, and acquaintances say he almost never talked politics or any of that, leading up to the murder.

And as far as the bomber jets, all the candidates were talking about aid to Israel, Bobby want even very vocal about it.

That was all a CIA veneer that was lacquered on later. And most or almost all of it was implanted in Sirhan’s mind by hypno-programming. That actually has been rather well-documented in CIA ROGUES and a number of other by investigators and affiliated scholars.

All a black op & psyop. Find out about it.

lynette chaplin
lynette chaplin
Jun 4, 2020 10:41 PM

I remember Robert Kennedy standing on a car in South Africa speaking to a big croud. I was impressed at what he said and with such sincerity.. He and his brother would have changed the course of America .

sunset
sunset
Jun 4, 2020 10:35 PM

You don’t get more deep state than the Kennedy monsters. Today they are fully exposed by actual historical *facts* but off-guardian assumes the vast majority of its readers never stray from the mainstream narrative.
 
Here’s a clue for the clueless. Just as apartheid was always going to end in South Africa regardless, and the ‘troubles’ were always going to end in NI, the laws discriminating against ‘blacks’ were always going to end in the USA (and be replaced with discrimination at a more subtle, non-‘legal’ level).
 
Sheeple are told that deep state *puppets* are responsible for great social changes- they are never told these changes are inevitable because how the deep state is *evolving* societies all the time. But the trick is this:
 
Take slavery. When the industrial revolution and the structures resulting from the same make slavery *counter-productive* to the deep state, the deep state suddenly starts to big up figures who say “slavery is a crime against morality”. The sheeple now ‘think’ it is this ‘moral’ argument that is winning the day, and that their masters are undergoing moral improvement. Nothing could be further from the truth.
 
The party of the infinitely vile Kennedys, the Democrat party, was of course the actual political party behind Human slavery in the USA. Why is there no *nazi* party in Germany today? After all, just like the Democrats in 2020, a modern nazi party in German could *pretend* it was all different from the ‘values’ of the *same* party back in the 1920s, 30s and 40s. See how stupid that sounds? Yet what the democrats did with regard to Human Slavery was worse than anything the original nazis did. But even so, it is ‘OK’ to have your political party in 2020 continue the name Democrat.
 
Of course a certain power cult that disguises itself as a religion, and was central to the process of ‘black’ Human Slavery from *before* the time of islam, then in partnership with muslims, then in partership with modern christians, always states that the one true holocaust- the treatment of tens of millions of ‘black’ africans as literal livestock- should never be compared to *their* ‘suffering’. And that power cult stands solidly behind the American party of Human Slavery- the Democrats- and the so-called ‘legacy’ of the Kennedys.
 
The Kennedys made it clear at all times that they considered ‘black’ Humans to be inferior, by design, to non-‘black’ Humans. This pure satanic racism of the Kennedys led to literal genocide in Vietnam and surrounding areas. ‘Blacks’ sub-Human, Asians sub-Human- do any of you here even know of the atrocities carried out by the USA in Korea and then Vietnam- the level of total societal slaughter deployed by the US armed forces? Ah- but the dead have no voice, do they?
 
The trick off-guardian uses is one of how time causes critical facts to be forgotten, and myth and legend take over. In 40 years from now, organs like off-guardian will be painting the butcher Obama in a similar light.
 
America has always been a mass murder machine. *Always*. Genocide of the native Americans. The absolute supporter of Human Slavery in its *own* borders. The absolute supporter of the supreme racist ideology of eugenics. The absolute supporter of zionism. The *only* period that could be called a ‘decent’ Age in the USA was after the Vietnam War ended, and the USA, for a change, stopped mass murdering ‘sub-Humans’ in other nations (yes proxy action continued in South America etc, but at vastly less murderous level). But then came the First Iraq War, and it has been business as usual ever since.
 
Don’t you find it strange that no leftie outlet refers to that anti-war period after the Vietnam war as significant? Why? Because America had the ‘wrong’ types of presidents during that period. Puppets who make poor ‘hero’ figures.
 
The real question is never asked. Could any form of deep state in the West operate across history for the greater good of Greater Humanity? Becasue if you do not know how to apply a quality test to the forces that actually control all our lives, you cannot tell if things are heading in a good or bad direction.
 
That you are told to think only of the puppet, like a Kennedy or a Trump, and never the puppeteers, means you cannot play a thoughtful part in shaping Human destiny. You become spectators of History, never the writers.
 
Today it should be apparent to anyone with two working braincells that a rethink is required. Instead articles like this tell you to lose yourself in nostalgia for a time that never actually existed.

David Meredith
David Meredith
Jun 4, 2020 10:31 PM

When you write, “On the one hand, humanity landed for the first time upon another celestial body”, this was not the first time humanity landed on the moon. There was a pre-deluvial civilization who colonised the moon. There are building remnants still there but curiously we are not being told about it.

Jim McDonagh
Jim McDonagh
Jun 4, 2020 11:12 PM
Reply to  David Meredith

At the time I believed that we put a man on the moon , now I do not.

David Meredith
David Meredith
Jun 4, 2020 11:18 PM
Reply to  Jim McDonagh

I think we did, it was a real landing but a lot of the film we are shown of this is fake. They removed all the stuff they did not want us to see.

John Ervin
John Ervin
Jun 5, 2020 9:07 AM
Reply to  Jim McDonagh

If it wasn’t real, Russia had easily enough telemetry and the rest to debunk it. It’s doable, so why not take it as real.

Germs Bond
Germs Bond
Jun 5, 2020 12:46 AM
Reply to  David Meredith

In which case how do we know about it?

Loverat
Loverat
Jun 4, 2020 10:26 PM

For those questioning US casualties, it was a little over 50 000. This article mentioning CV-19 in comparision. From memory, they lost half in just two years, late 60s but this can be verified.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/theconversatio
n.com/amp/death-by-numbers-how-vietnam-war-and-coronavirus-changed-the-way-we-mourn-137675

Jim McDonagh
Jim McDonagh
Jun 4, 2020 11:17 PM
Reply to  Loverat

The flu epidemic of 1968-69 killed 100000 stateside and received almost no media coverage? US casualties in Vietnam are are generally agreed to have been around 58000 over 10 years, the number of names on their monument in DC. In that era 55000 died in car crashes in America per annum.

Daniel Spaniel
Daniel Spaniel
Jun 4, 2020 10:22 PM

Surely you mean Bobby Robson?

Borncynic
Borncynic
Jun 4, 2020 9:59 PM

Bobby Kennedy was every bit as sociopathic as those he condemned. Though he might have genuinely believed the words that came out of his mouth, he was just too stupid to understand how the world works. Delusions of grandeur got the better of him and he was disposed of accordingly.

Eric McCoo
Eric McCoo
Jun 4, 2020 10:15 PM
Reply to  Borncynic

My favourite scene in the Sopranos is in a grand church with the usual characters dressed in their finest clothes. The John Cooper Clark song ‘Chicken Town’ starts playing. Chicken Town is where the lowest of the low live. That’s who these people really are. Thugs and gangsters.
 
The Kennedys were too stupid to realise that not everyone thought they were the royal family of Camelot.
 
https://youtu.be/alkM5RCIHuw?t=24

sunset
sunset
Jun 4, 2020 10:40 PM
Reply to  Borncynic

You do not get more *deep state* than articles telling you to hero worship some politician from the fake left or fake right. Off-guardian is most often Barely-off-Guardian. I puzzle at this- but the partnership this site has with the fully compromised ZeroHedge is very telling.

John Pretty
John Pretty
Jun 4, 2020 10:43 PM
Reply to  sunset

Don’t bother coming here to read the articles then if this is the way you feel … you still have some freedom left!

Reg
Reg
Jun 5, 2020 2:39 AM
Reply to  sunset

What partnership with Zero Hedge?

Waldorf
Waldorf
Jun 5, 2020 7:04 AM
Reply to  Borncynic

I went to a British Socialist Workers Party meeting about the time the film Hoffa came out. What interested me was that for the SWP Hoffa was at least something of a hero – workers’ leader etc. – while Kennedy was a villain. They downplayed Hoffa’s links to organised crime. In fact Trotskyists had had something of a footing in the Teamsters’ Union until they were displaced by a combination of red-baiting and organised crime, the latter possibly more acceptable to the powers that be than reds. I personally find neither Hoffa nor Kennedy particularly appetising.

John Ervin
John Ervin
Jun 5, 2020 9:09 AM
Reply to  Borncynic

Yeah, like Reagan or W or Trump are scholars. They make Bobbyook like Isaac Newton. At least.

Geoff
Geoff
Jun 4, 2020 9:57 PM

The article says “over 500,000” Americans died in Vietnam war. Shouldn’t this read “over 50,000” ?
 
An order of magnitude smaller is not trivial and more accurately highlights the disparity in casualties
 

Daniel Spaniel
Daniel Spaniel
Jun 4, 2020 10:34 PM
Reply to  Geoff

The number of post-war suicides amongst the soldiers were shocking enough.

Jim McDonagh
Jim McDonagh
Jun 4, 2020 11:54 PM
Reply to  Daniel Spaniel

WW2 produced the most suicides due to melancholia when it became obvious that the fascists had won, as Korea was invaded , and the policy of perpetual war began…

John Ervin
John Ervin
Jun 5, 2020 9:14 AM
Reply to  Daniel Spaniel

I spoke with S. Brian Willson in ’88 after he had recently lost his legs and he and his partner both avowed that 250,000 vets had committed suicide by then, and he underscored that it was a conservative estimate, since many had disappeared into forests, etc, like John Lithgow in “Kissing Trains”

Jim McDonagh
Jim McDonagh
Jun 4, 2020 11:22 PM
Reply to  Geoff

Conversely an estimated 4 million south east Asians were killed mainly by the massive air strikes/bombings according to McNamara’s, and he was a pretty good statistician.

John Pretty
John Pretty