Coronavirus Fact-Check #6: Does wearing a mask do anything?
Governments around the world are enforcing facial coverings to prevent SARS-Cov-2 infection, but does the science support their use?
As of two days ago, Boris Johnson’s government announced it will henceforth be illegal to use public transportation in the UK, without wearing a mask.
This goes along with many other governments – both local and national – which have enforced mandatory mask-wearing to one extent or another.
Leaving aside the question of whether such steps are necessary to combat a virus they openly admit is harmless to the vast majority of people – the question becomes: Do masks actually do anything to prevent the spread of this disease? Or respiratory diseases in general?
Well, some mask manufacturers don’t seem to think so. Printing this warning on the side of the box:
But, in case that’s just a company seeking to prevent liability, maybe we should look at some proper scientific research on the subject. There’s quite a bit of it.
Most of the media and politicians are strident in their support of enforced mask-wearing, but the science supporting that is thin on the ground.
While the Lancet and Mayo Clinic have produced articles recommending mask use, actual scientific studies are hard to come by.
The only evidence-based review I was able to find is forced to use very soft language in its conclusions. Titled [my emphasis] “Cloth Masks May Prevent Transmission of COVID-19″, it openly admits [again, my emphasis]:
Although no direct evidence indicates that cloth masks are effective in reducing transmission of SARS-CoV-2, the evidence that they reduce contamination of air and surfaces is convincing
Other, purportedly scientific, publications have reduced themselves to publishing alarmist, unscientific, non-factual arguments that source the Los Angeles Times in place of any research, statistics or peer-reviewed papers.
The lack of hard science backing the government’s position on masks is evidently a concern in the propaganda networks, because they produce articles like this one in today’s Guardian:
We can’t be 100% sure face masks work – but that shouldn’t stop us wearing them
Which tries to turn it from a fact-based consideration into an ethical argument (A very common tactic among people who know they would lose an evidence-based debate):
this debate is as much about values as facts.
Despite the narrative push in favour of masks, the science is far from settled. With many papers – notably those pre-dating the Covid19 outbreak – suggesting masks do little-to-nothing to prevent the spread of viral respiratory infections.
A review of several mask-related papers, entitled “Why Face Masks Don’t Work” and conducted in 2016, found that [my emphasis]:
Between 2004 and 2016 at least a dozen research or review articles have been published on the inadequacies of face masks. All agree that the poor facial fit and limited filtration characteristics of face masks make them unable to prevent the wearer inhaling airborne particles. In their well-referenced 2011 article on respiratory protection for healthcare workers, Drs. Harriman and Brosseau conclude that, “facemasks will not protect against the inhalation of aerosols.”
And:
Health care workers have long relied heavily on surgical masks to provide protection against influenza and other infections. Yet there are no convincing scientific data that support the effectiveness of masks for respiratory protection.
And also:
It should be concluded from these and similar studies that the filter material of face masks does not retain or filter out viruses
To sum up: viruses are very, very, very small. Microns across. You can only see them with an electron microscope. As such the weave of a cloth mask provides almost no resistance to their passage.
The possible limitations of masks as a preventative are not a secret.
On May 21st, the New England Journal of Medicine published an article titled Universal Masking in Hospitals in the Covid-19 Era, which states:
We know that wearing a mask outside health care facilities offers little, if any, protection from infection.
And as recently as last week, Dr April Baller of World Health Organization said:
“If you do not have any respiratory symptoms such as fever, cough or runny nose, you do not need to wear a mask,”
The common counter-argument to this point is that masks don’t prevent you from getting sick, but rather prevent you from spreading it if you’re infected.
However that is disputed by a paper published just last month, but based on research conducted in late 2019 (before the Covid outbreak),
which found that [my emphasis]:
Disposable medical masks are loose-fitting devices that were designed to be worn by medical personnel to protect accidental contamination of patient wounds, and to protect the wearer against splashes or sprays of bodily fluids. There is limited evidence for their effectiveness in preventing influenza virus transmission either when worn by the infected person for source control or when worn by uninfected persons to reduce exposure. Our systematic review found no significant effect of face masks on transmission of laboratory-confirmed influenza.
In fact, not only is there substantial evidence masks will not prevent you getting sick, there is some evidence they could actually be counter-productive.
A trial of cloth masks in 2015 found that:
Moisture retention, reuse of cloth masks and poor filtration may result in an increased risk of infection.
There’s also the issue of other possible complications, such as hypercapnia, an excess of carbon dioxide in the blood caused by re-breathing your own expelled air. It’s also been shown that mask use can exacerbate chronic obstructive pulmonary disorder (COPD) and perhaps other respiratory issues. There’s also the question of possible psychological harm.
The benefits of mask-wearing are, at best, unproven. The dangers, unknown. You wouldn’t expect this simple scientific question to be in any way controversial.
And yet…
In April, physicist Denis Rancourt published a research review on ResearchGate.com entitled “Masks Don’t Work: A review of science relevant to COVID-19 social policy”.
After receiving over 400,000 views, it was summarily removed for “spreading information that could cause harm”.
Clearly the establishment really wants us to wear masks. What’s less clear is why.
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Masks are worthless. I have a good friend who’s an RN, and she said the use of a mask to keep out the tiny viral droplets is comparable to trying to keep out mosquitoes using a chain link fence. It can’t be done because the droplets are far too small, and they can seep through anyting except possiby the N-95 masks that are reserved ONLY for health professionals. You will NOT be able to get your hands on those masks. unless you are in the health care field. And even then, it depends on high up on the totem pole you are. On top of that, she said you are breathing in oxygen, but breathing out carbon dyoxide – which is not only NOT good for you, but is meant to be expelled into the air because that’s what our bodies need to have expelled in order for us to have a healthy body. The masks prevent that entire process, and provide no benefit.
“Behind the masks of total choice, different forms of the same alienation confront each other.”
― Guy Debord (1931-1994)
Part 2 to my previous post….
Another CDC study regarding the flu and masks. Again, they don’t work.
https://wwwnc.cdc.gov/eid/article/26/5/19-0994_article
“Disposable medical masks (also known as surgical masks) are loose-fitting devices that were designed to be worn by medical personnel to protect accidental contamination of patient wounds, and to protect the wearer against splashes or sprays of bodily fluids (36). There is limited evidence for their effectiveness in preventing influenza virus transmission either when worn by the infected person for source control or when worn by uninfected persons to reduce exposure. Our systematic review found no significant effect of face masks on transmission of laboratory-confirmed influenza……We did not find evidence that surgical-type face masks are effective in reducing laboratory-confirmed influenza transmission, either when worn by infected persons (source control) or by persons in the general community to reduce their susceptibility (Figure 2). However, as with hand hygiene, face masks might be able to reduce the transmission of other infections and therefore have value in an influenza pandemic when healthcare resources are stretched.”
And one more: https://www.primarydoctor.org/masks-not-effect
You can go back to older studies also to give more context. This older study sheds real doubt on masks. It’s a large, well designed clinical outcomes study w/ a valid control group and consistent standards. n= 3,088, which is the number of people in the study. Doctors wearing face masks had 4.7% post operative wound infection rates for patients. Those with no masks had 3.5%. Wearing a mask made infection 34% more likely. This is a stunning outcome. It’s not that masks did nothing, they seem to have increased the rate of infection. It was not quite statistically significant at the P<0.05 level, but this appears to be because it was slightly under-powered. Had this study been n=4000, it prob would have hit 0.05. This led me to look at this space. There is shockingly little verification in any sort of modern, outcomes based study that a doctor wearing a mask during surgery reduces infection. You’d think this would be a slam dunk, high data, obvious outcomes issue. It isn’t.
https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/BF01658736
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/1853618/
Finally, read this short book (it’s free!):
https://tomwoods.lpages.co/covid-charts-cnn-forgot/
It destroys the narrative on masks.
In summary, we can’t control the virus with masks (or lockdowns – I can send just as many sources on this topic also). As they say, the “virus gonna virus.” Don’t believe anything Fauci or the mainstream media tell you. It’s all politics and fear mongering to control people and sell advertising and the vax (they don’t want it to go away). If you don’t believe me, then read articles below.
It’s so easy to understand why they don’t work. It’s too small for masks to block it and if it gets stuck on the mask it can still be transferred from it to your hand. It’s 01. to 0.5 microns in size! Smaller than a red and white blood cell
The entire country has been gaslighted.
https://mises.org/wire/almost-year-later-theres-still-no-evidence-showing-governments-can-control-spread-covid-19
Part 1
I’ve done a lot of reading on this topic and this article is right on point. Masks don’t work.
First, start here, as this is written by an expert on masks and he explains what they are and their limitations:
https://www.aier.org/article/the-year-of-disguises/
Then this one:
https://www.aier.org/article/masking-a-careful-review-of-the-evidence/
Then there is empirical evidence like this:
https://thefederalist.com/2020/10/29/these-12-graphs-show-mask-mandates-do-nothing-to-stop-covid/
Now see this recent, Danish study:
https://sebastianrushworth.com/2020/11/19/covid-19-new-evidence-on-face-masks/
https://www.acpjournals.org/doi/10.7326/M20-6817
Conclusion from above: “We’ll start with the intention-to-treat analysis. In the face mask group, 1,8% developed covid-19 over the course of the study. In the control group, 2.1% developed covid-19. That is a 0.3% difference in favor of face masks, but it is not even close to being statistically significant. Ok, let’s look instead at the per-protocol analysis, which in practice means that the 7% of participants who often didn’t follow the mask wearing instructions properly are excluded from the analysis. In the face mask group, 1.8% developed covid-19, and in the control group, 2.1% developed covid-19. So, interestingly, the result was the same regardless of whether you look only at those who wore the masks as intended, or look at everyone, including those who didn’t follow the instructions. This in itself suggests that mask wearing doesn’t make a big difference, since the results don’t change when you only look at people who have been good at wearing their masks as intended. As an interesting aside, the researchers didn’t just look at covid, they also looked at 11 other respiratory viruses. In the face mask group, 0.5% tested positive for one or more other respiratory viruses. In the control group, 0.6% tested positive. That is a 0.1% difference, and again, it was nowhere close to being statistically significant.”
CDC came out with a report that essentially admits they don’t do much at all, which is consistent with the data (but mainstream media didn’t talk about this report):
https://www.sovereignman.com/trends/the-cdc-is-about-to-be-canceled-by-google-and-facebook-for-covid-heresy-31329/
https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/70/wr/pdfs/mm7010e3-H.pdf
This website SUCKS. It is amazing there are idiots like the editors and contributors here actually arguing that masks don’t do anything to stop the spread of Covid-19. Here’s a great quote which sums up the in-denial Covid-19 conspiracy nutters who read this website, from the Morning Star website-
“A who’s who of political commentators, “journalists” and hacks — some with large numbers of followers on social media — have been dining out on various lurid Covid-19 conspiracy theories, anti-lockdown propaganda, anti-vax, anti-materialist lunacy, as if this global crisis has all been engineered in service to the coming New World Order, proclaimed under the rubric of the Great Reset at the World Economic Forum in June 2020.
This madness has roots in dominant cultural values of me, myself and I, a by-product of free market economics and most malign for all that. It also speaks to a latent disbelief that the world of today — a world of boundless wealth and prosperity in the West — could ever be afflicted by something so representative of the dim and distant past as a plague.”
https://morningstaronline.co.uk/article/f/albert-camus-covid-19-and-what-it-says-about-modern-britain
Something:
https://youtu.be/CeBGxKcV2CQ
Something more:
https://bmjopen.bmj.com/content/5/4/e006577
https://bmjopen.bmj.com/content/5/4/e006577.responses#covid-19-shortages-of-masks-and-the-use-of-cloth-masks-as-a-last-resort
I can tell you in the same logic you used: your madness is based on your naïve idea of the world; mass media never lie, our government are always good and tell the truth. That’s the idea shared in – a world of boundless wealth and prosperity in the West -. That’s your comfort zone.
Some theories and things to think about is they are controlling population, controlling you as we ease into, yes, the NEW WORLD ORDER which is a real agenda claimed and presented by Kluas Schwab who has on numerous occasions met with Bill Gates and other elites. Think why don’t they mandate exercise and a healthy diet which causes around 500k deaths a year but instead they keep all fast food restaurants open and close down the gyms. Also, tobacco would be illegal since it’s the #1 cause of preventable deaths that cause over 500k deaths a year including second hand smoking. Another thing, nobody is holding China accountable they just keep pointing towards Trump. He’s been made an easy target and helps blind people from what’s going on. You don’t hear from BLM anymore although I guarantee you unarmed blacks have been killed just like whites and that won’t stop until guns are illegal here and it still won’t stop because of the black market. Right wing is being demonetized and stripped of freedom of speech and the left doesn’t care because it’s not happening to them. We’re being tore down right now as a country and we’ll be built back up differently just like military bootcamp. The media promotes negativity, they shout racist, sexist etc. knowing it will never go away in a free world so they tell you it’s bad and to make more laws to hinder freedom until we’re all created equal because we’re forced to OR ELSE. All while China has million of slaves being socialized to their liking and working for next to nothing to satisfy America high consumer rate for companies such as Nike and many more big companies. Eventually and ultimately, we won’t be so diverse and we’ll live in that “perfect” world we’ve all been dying for and be scared of saying anything
because if you say anything even if it was decades ago, you could have your whole life ruined.
Wow some terrible research was done for this paper to fit the authors views.
The quote by Dr. April Baller, “If you do not have any respiratory symptoms such as fever, cough or runny nose, you do not need to wear a mask,” is in regards to the fact that masks prevent the user from spreading, therefore if you’re not carrying the virus we don’t need to wear a mask. On the other hand there is an incubation period so it would be nice to wear a mask as a cautionary measure with or without symptoms.
Furthermore regarding the quote, “We know that wearing a mask outside health care facilities offers little, if any, protection from infection” from an article in New England Journal of Medicine was taken completely out of context. If you read just the very next sentence it’s clarified that significant exposure of COVID-19 is closer than 6 feet, face-to-face contact for about 10 to even 30 minutes. Furthermore the article then states taking into account what is needed for a significant exposure to catch COVID-19, passing a bystander outside of a hospital setting is therefore a minimal chance of catching the virus.
I will admit you used one source well, “Nonpharmaceutical Measures for Pandemic Influenza in Nonhealthcare Settings—Personal Protective and Environmental Measures”, which is a great source that provides context to your argument. I found it to be a good read and really emphasizes that more research is needed as it was noted, “most studies were underpowered because of limited sample size, and some studies also reported suboptimal adherence in the face mask group”. That means the experimental group was not always wearing the mask to the compliance of the study. Similar research issues such as this have been noted in other papers were participants sometimes forgot about the mask or only wear it 25-50 percent of the time.
Yesterday was cold. Snow fell.
As a woman existed a petrol station she noticed the cold breadth coming out of the front of her mask. Her child laughed but not at the mist in front of her face, but the mist jetting out near her ears because of the ill fitting mask.
There was silence as the cogs turned bringing forth a realisation, that was unmistakable upon her face………
I think the word ‘WT F..k’ meant QED!
People who don’t particularly fear the virus are being required to wear masks to protect others. But N95 masks do not filter exhaled air. Why are these allowed?
Whenever I am confronter with a face-diaper proponent I just ask this:
Were you doing the responsible thing by wearing a face-mask in 2018 when 80,000 people died in the US alone and hundreds of thousands more worldwide in influenza, or were you spreading viruses and more than likely causing the death of God knows how many people that you came into contact with who then got infected by you, spreading your germs on to countless others?
How about all the other years before 2018? Were you wearing a mask during the bird-flu pandemic? During the swine flu? SARS? MERS? How many lives have been lost because of your negligence? And will you be doing the “responsible” thing and continue your virtue-signalling in your face-nappy for the rest of your life?
The reason for masks is clear, it’s about controlling the masses. Mask orders gauge the sheeple response, if the majority of people dutifully wear the mask it’s clear they’ve lost the ability to think for themselves and can be directed to do most anything by their Government masters…especially if you inject enough irrational fear into them.
Viruses are not “microns across”. The CV for example, is about 200 nanometers (0.2 microns) in diameter. Way too small for a mask to filter.
An open barn door might not prevent a cow from entering, but it will prevent a horse from leaving.
You must live in fear! The mask reminds us that we are at existential risk of extinction until we have Dr. Bill Gates’s “vaccine.”
I am so angry that I have to put this thing on for absolutely no reason. I wrote to att general in late may ; This is PART of the very long letter.:
” For weeks when I got up some type of strength (depression and nonstop crying due to I had been told I have no job) to go out and get something I needed. I could not understand why I felt the way I did when I was at the store, it was as if I could not breath or that something was going to happen to me. It was not until a week or so ago that it was the dog muzzle they are forcing me to wear that was interfering with my breathing. I have sensitive sinus issues and should not have my face and muth constricted. We are done in this area. The state and Santa Clara County have no right to continue this. Our civil liberties are being violated and trampled on. It is unconstitutional and I believe I am correct.”
Be sure to look up anti-mask warrior Peggy Hall of the “Healthy American”. Her website and Youtube/ Bitchute channel deals with the enforced masquerade in great detail. She provides solutions, providing the law, on what you can do to successfully fight these “mandates”.
“Clearly the establishment really wants us to wear masks. What’s less clear is why.” The “why” is likely multi-faceted like all their contrived psyops but no doubt one “why” is to prepare folks for a mandatory vaccine. People will be begging for a return to normalcy after a year or so of this craziness, and will gladly take the vaccine when it’s available. The people that refuse the vaccine will be shunned from society or comply.
yes. this. they will simply replace the word “mask” with the word “shot”.
The absence of evidence of effectiveness is not evidence of absence of effectiveness. But you certainly are doing your best to prove the opposite in a very non-scientific way 🙂
Okay, but anyone can go to a Home Depot or local hardware store and take a look at the masks on sale. If you read the fine print, it’ll tell you whether the mask filters out certain things like viruses. I know this because I’d purchased n95 masks before for construction work being done on a house, and I’ve read the fine print. If the manufacturer of the mask says the mask won’t prevent the spread of certain viruses or other toxins in the environment, do you think the manufacturer of the mask is lying?
The difference being, no one is ordering you not wear a mask because there is no evidence they are effective.
Exactly
If there is no physical reason to believe that masks should work then we should assume that they don’t work until proven otherwise. The experience of Sweden and Holland suggests that they don’t work.
To your delight it is perfectly legal to wear your mask. It is not legal for us not to mask.
The page https://www.oralhealthgroup.com/features/face-masks-dont-work-revealing-review/ doesn’t exist anymore. It did exist a few days ago.
https://archive.org/details/clinicians-questioning-the-covid-narrative/Are+Mandatory+Masks+OSHA-Approved+-+Leigh+Dundas%2CEsq+%5B2020-06-16%5D.mp4
This is the link, good read.
https://web.archive.org/web/20170612102531/https://www.oralhealthgroup.com/features/face-masks-dont-work-revealing-review/
“Clearly the establishment really wants us to wear masks. What’s less clear is why.”
The Spanish health authority had a slip of the tongue when speaking about the obligation of wearing a mask: it is in order to remind people to wear a mask.
In reality, we can be 100% sure that wearing a mask does not help in any way. Rather on the contrary, it is unhealty, mostly due to hyperkapnia, hypoxia and hence even reduced immune response. People with lung conditions are especially at risk.
In many countries, wearing a mask in public transport is now obligatory. In Berlin, Germany, 90+% will be wearing one during main traffic times; at night, it may be as little as 20%. I’d guess that most people are aware of how farcical putting on a bit of cloth is… however, fines are rather high. When not being faced with direct or indirect governmental duress (fines, harsh treatment etc.) some 90% seem to act according to common sense and breath freely.
Surely you realize fines are a joke. If no one wears a mask, then what? They fine 5 million people or what? And if they don’t pay? Send 5 million into prison? Has anyone thought this over???
The photo accompanying this article is a propaganda shot and was presumably taken during the flood-the-zone stage. Three people can be seen in the reflection with the one in the middle presumably taking the shot. Neither of the people either side are wearing masks.
“a propaganda shot”
In Belgium you are obliged to wear these masks in public transport, or you will be refused and or you get to pay a not so small fine. The smartphone zombie situation, for those among the people here sensible enough to notice that, is the normal situation. You don’t need much effort to get such shots, the only difference with daily reality is that public transport is not so crowded during the Corona scare days, so you have to stack ‘m together for the photo as they sit apart very much, while normally the flock of sheep are stacked together to the degree that you’d have to make room for the photo, hahaha.
Well spotted. Not exactly practising “social distancing” either, are they?
good thing, They shouldnt be anti social distancing. Yet another arbitrary , pathetic tool to keep people terrified .
It’s obviously psychological warfare. By forcing people to wear a mask you force them to say that up is down, left is right, two equals three. You force them to accept the lie.
And you reinforce the idea that there is a real danger.
And it’s a symbol of subjugation, like wearing a collar. So you force them to accept their subjugation.
‘How many fingers am I holding up, Winston?’
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wTFV9w4B0eg
http://www.george-orwell.org/1984/18.html
I have felt it viscerally from the getgo as just that Orwellian. A very very obnoxious psyop.
Now there are gyms reopening in two days, in counties with low numbers, like our county of Orange just south of L.A.
But many stores have gone full babysitter mode, just as the lockup is generally relaxing, many stores are suddenly making masks mandatory when they were only recommended, or giving you the boot.
Maybe it’s just a liability thing, but I am going to avoid certain stores from now on, ones where we’ve shopped for decades, and let them know just why, in full, in a letter full of social philosophy, or enough to let them know what smacks they are.
How is it possible to post so many links that significanly misrepresent the target content in one relatively short article?
Ben Garrison: What does YOUR mask say?
https://www.grrrgraphics.com/the-mask-speaks
I said a couple of months ago that if I ever had to wear a mask I would make one out of a pair of Y-fronts. I think that would say all that needs to be said.
Can viruses travel trough the air on their own or do they need a vessel, for example a drop of water?
the only way a mask can work is on the mind. dr morse says flu symtoms r detox symptoms. cu at party. x
A 10 year old could figure out wearing a mask is effective in stopping the spread of viruses.
1. If you wear a face covering and you have a virus and you cough or sneeze, most of the virus will not end up in the air or on surfaces so you protect others by wearing one.
2. One of the main methods of transmission of viruses is you touch an infected surface then put your fingers in your mouth or nose. A face covering prevents you from doing that.
3. You do NOT need a surgical mask – you are not carrying out surgery. A cloth face covering is good enough. You go to the grocery store — you pick up an apple.. a lettuce… you touch a counter… you have a face covering on so you can’t put your fingers in your mouth – when you leave you take the mask off – put it in a plastic bag — disinfect your hands – and move along.
HONG KONG – 8 Million People. Crammed into a small area. Minimal Lockdown..
4 Covid Deaths. 1107 Covid Infections.
That’s it. 4 Deaths.
EVERYONE HAS A MASK OR A FACE COVERING ON WHEN THEY ARE IN PUBLIC.
You’ve got this all wrong — the tree you should be barking up is WHY are governments just now starting to recommend face coverings.
Rather odd considering the CDC site had recommended them from day one of this false flag event:
https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/prevent-getting-sick/diy-cloth-face-coverings.html?CDC_AA_refVal=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.cdc.gov%2Fcoronavirus%2F2019-ncov%2Fprevent-getting-sick%2Fcloth-face-cover-faq.html
I’m sorry, but attributing the lack of disease to wearing a mask is arbitrary. I shall make the same claim about any other common characteristic of the population of Hong Kong and make the same claim.
HONG KONG – 8 Million People. Crammed into a small area. Minimal Lockdown..
4 Covid Deaths. 1107 Covid Infections.
That’s it. 4 Deaths.
EVERYONE HAS AN AVERAGE HEIGHT OF 5’7″
The CDC’s guidelines are from fossilized germ theory that they created to manipulate people.
I admonish you to brush up on the new literature in microbiology, nutrition, and terrain theory.
But everyone is not 5’7″ so your logic is flawed.
How do you catch a virus? Is it from thinking about a virus?
No.
The main method of catching a virus is when droplets of the virus enter your body through your mouth, nose or eyes. Feel free to explain to me if you think that is not correct
Anything that keeps infected droplets from entering your body is GOOD.
So very obviously to anyone with an IQ over 80, if you prevent the droplets from flying all over the place when you cough or sneeze then that is going to help prevent the spread of the virus.
Very obviously to anyone with an IQ over 80, if infected people have masks on and do not spread droplets into the air or onto surfaces then that is going to reduce the spread of the droplets and the infection.
Very obviously to anyone without an IQ over 80, if you have a mask on if you touch an infected surface you are very unlikely to put your fingers into your mouth infecting your body with the virus.
What part of that do you not understand?
Can you provide another explanation why HK has only 4 deaths from Covid?
It has roughly the same population as NYC….. The NYC numbers are BS but they most definitely are NOT 4.
What part do I not understand?
You think I didn’t learn your version of germ theory in second grade???
It’s antiquated dinosaur BS.
Also, I said they have an AVERAGE height, so my logic is not flawed.
You forgot to explain to me how we contract viruses.
Can you catch them by thinking about them?
Oh I forgot to mention – I am not talking about computer viruses so no you cannot catch one by typing on a computer.
No your logic is not flawed — there is no logic.
Well it might seem logical to someone with a sub 80 IQ …
stefan lanka says pathogenic virus r a complete fraud. used to be called infection demon. it is healthy to experience detox like how people catch yawning n rest.
I get too tired of explaining to people like… For everyone person who understands how exocytosis works, there are hundreds of millions of brainwashed morons going around, wearing masks, fearing miniscule mortality rates, and sanitizing their effing hands every 5 minutes.
You know what is indicative of a sub-80 IQ? Not drawing simple mortality ratios or not drawing simple conclusions on probabilities of contraction. That is even if you play by your playskool germ theory.
Viruses are only present at sites where underlying disease has already occurred. When electron microscopes were first utilized, the conclusions of the photographs they took assumed that the exocytes (viruses) were the cause of the disease, not the bodies immunoresponse.
It is quite simple. All chronic illness is caused by nutritional deficiency, lack of sanitation,toxic drug prescription programs, radiation, dehydration, exposure to toxins, exposure to heavy metals, lack of exercise, and polluted environment. There is more than enough evidence for these claims.
In your sub 80 IQ world, lying fiends like Fauci have created a religion of fear and have manipulated people like you into a state of fear.
Since you are an expert why don’t you contact 5 of the top epidemiologists in New Zealand you disagree with your nonsense?
You can school them on this subject hahahaha
The Strong Case for Mask Requirements in Public Transportation and Border Control Settings in NZ’s Current COVID-19 Pandemic Context
Prof Nick Wilson, Dr Sophie Febery, Dr Ling Chan, Dr Amanda Kvalsvig, Prof Michael Baker
In this blog we identify six likely benefits from requiring fabric mask use in public transportation and border control settings in the “peri-elimination” context that New Zealand is currently in.
Given these likely benefits and the relatively low costs (especially if the Government provides free masks as per Hong Kong), such a policy should be given very serious consideration by health authorities in the transition to level 2.
https://blogs.otago.ac.nz/pubhealthexpert/2020/05/11/the-strong-case-for-mask-requirements-in-public-transportation-and-border-control-settings-in-nzs-current-covid-19-pandemic-context/
If I want outdated science models, I’ll go ask 5 astrologers.
You might also ask independent scientists, rather than those who work for an institution funded by the Gates Foundation.
Refreshing to read an intelligent and responsible comment from someone who understands emerging exosome theory and the truth behind the flawed germ theory which, although never proven to be true nor effective, is the basis of the deceptive “vaccine protocol” and it’s multi-billion dollar revenue streams (each time it creates another ’round’to administer to unsuspecting folks who never question (I used to be one of them) nor give consideration to the lifetime damage it does to their bodies). True, ‘viruses’ are actually inert (dead) RNA/DNA debris that have no mechanism to be ‘transmitted’, and therefore not the ’cause’ of ANY disease. Anyone who wishes to learn the truth about viruses and infectious disease, highly recommend reading What REALLY makes you ill? Why Everything you Thought You Knew about Disease is Wrong by Dawn Lester and David Parker, contains citations from hundreds of doctors, MDs and PhDs.
Nicely correct diss of Malthus. He doesn’t get the part that the people pushing the masks have skin in the funding game, like Ferguson and Fauci. One look at their faces should tell anyone what shills they both are.
You see this kind of corruption everywhere, almost, now. I’ve dealt with it, where a town’s league of conservationists will approve a mall on top of land at a prized sanctuary lagoon, as in Carlsbad CA 4 years ago, saying the measures would improve the ecosystem, then it came out that the developer had bribed them all backdoor for years. It was pathetic. It was embarrassing for me, because I believed them all, the “cui bono” was rather subtle, and huge, and important. But I got out early when I became suspicious, and the real conservationists staged an 11th hour drive and defeated them at the polls, but just barely. It was an historic victory, because it turned out the whole thing was a Trojan Horse with much bigger interests at stake.
Kind of like, ah, this one! !
Do a Google search for this WHO document:
Non-pharmaceutical public health measures for mitigating the risk and impact of epidemic and pandemic influenza
Go to page 26. Here you will see this written:
OVERALL RESULT OF EVIDENCE ON FACE MASKS
1. Ten RCT’s [random controlled trails] were included in the meta-analysis, and there was no evidence that face masks are effective in reducing transmission of laboratory-confirmed influenza.
That’s what the scientific research says.
Go to page 27, and you will see the WHO recommend a policy that is the exact opposite of what the science is telling them.
Awesome, thanks much for the precise WHO references, I’d heard about them but couldn’t find them. They are an argument -closer, really.
Go to page 44 of the pdf too. Here they talk about quarantines, but only of “exposed individuals.”
1. Quarantine is generally effective in reducing burden of disease and transmissibility, and in delaying the peak of the epidemic.
However, just below this they say:
Quality of evidence
There is a very low overall quality of evidence that quarantine of exposed individuals has an effect on transmission of influenza…
And here’s the public policy recommendation (again see the text box highlighted in the light blue fill with turquoise outline) on page 47:
RECOMMENDATION:
Home quarantine of exposed individuals to reduce transmission is not recommended because there is no obvious rationale for this measure, and there would be considerable difficulties in implementing it.
“No obvious rationale”? Even the trusted World Health Organization does not recommend the lock down happening in most countries in the world! And yet, they do as it is “generally effective.”
They’ve at least been “generally effective” in bankrupting all kinds of people, probably destroying academic careers (my sister was a year and change from graduating USC when she lost her funding and never could make it back), cancelling urgent surgeries, shutting off vital services…
The list is lierally endless, and people know that score, if not much else. The damage already done. And counting!
Also literally endless are the criminal charges that can be brought against these people. Many assume that some of it was done in good faith, which will be their CYA in criminal courts. If Truth triumphs over Trumps, and they stand trial.
NONE of it, truth be told, was (is) done in good faith, or good will. All a poker bluff. Such as Trump and BoJo pretending there would be no lockdown at first.
How many days, hours, before they did a complete about face?
And Trump told the governors “I’m going to let you make your own calls on this.”
GREAT! He left them right in the middle, holding a bag of snakes!
And so it goes.
These capital crimes against humanity, which they are, should leave them with certain legal problems even a “note from their doctor” won’t fix.
And even if they “fix” all of it, as cagily as they have “fixed” all of our wagons, they will some day do a long stretch in a very hot place, be it Purgatory or Lower.
Well, I fulminate, but they could deeply ponder some measures they might take that would be “generally effective” on those sentences meted out, because they know what they’ve done, and what Justice would serve them. All of it has been done with “malice aforethought”. In the service of that Golden Calf. None of this was necessary. It was ill-gotten gains, while holding us al hostage.
Even if caught with the matches at the start of these blazes, they can always offer rational alibis, “We had to turn the world upside down…and then make it hold that position indefinitely… because___________ fill in the blank.”
But will that CYA be “generally effective”….
ENOUGH?
We shall see. They chose medical martial law simply because it’s the easiest to BS their way out of this. They can build whole castles of alibi around such a scam. As they are clearly doing (I mean, snuffing the most helpless people in hospital with DNRs so they can spike their counts?)
Add surveillance tech and they think they have the perfect cover….
Only “monkey” and “coyote” stand in their way: God’s two “archetypal”pets, those pranksters that can turn the “best” plans of mice and men into a jumble. As happened with Enron or the 2000 Florida “Recount”. And appears to be happening with this. Despite their supervillain massive “edge”.
3 cheers for the handiworks of Monkey and Coyote, those angelic anarchists. Summoning all the “better angels of our nature”. ( And the better anarchists. )
£4£&$4$~~~~~~~~~
Many thanks for the excerpts from the WHO pdf, I had read the summaries almost 3 months ago at Swiss Propaganda Research, but since then much of this has become the most urgent and compelling issue of our times, as we had suspected it would be, so now I want to be armed with chapter and verse. Key words tell the tale. As you have noted them.
I find a way to work this into the most casual encounters, and it bears dividends. Many people disagree, but then they listen, and then you see them start to wise up. You see a light go on.
Our work is a piece of cake, since we have the facts, and people aren’t hearing the key ones elsewhere. I spoke with a young engineer the other day, we’d come to the same store for rollerblades: I threw a bolt on mine, he just wanted a used pair for his stir-craziness (so did a lot of others: in twenty years this is the first time theyve been sold out of adult sizes, usually they have dozens: now, completely bare shelves).
Rollerblading popularity peaked here some years ago, on our S. Calif. beach boardwalks, they used to keep pace with bikes, then by last year they were outnumbered 20 to 1. I am a diehard skater who had resigned himself publicly years ago to Full Frontal Nerdity.
With the closure of gyms etc. their use now has rebounded 5 or 10 times. I now take the backroads that 90% wouldn’t know here, since I grew up in town’s end of the Peninsula Point, 50 years ago! — in Balboa Beach.
The young engineer, I caught staring at me, pensive, in the skate store, he was shocked by some raw facts (UK: 42,000 deaths out of 68 million. India: 8000 dead out of 1.3 BILLION). He didn’t get skates, but a whole lot of facts. The store people overheard me and supported my pitch! They know me.
On the way out he turned around and paused to thank me. Pointedly.
And he wasn’t even a spook! ( I could tell, having been accosted by SO many mystery shoppers in the past ten years, for the oligarchically incorrect things I do or say.)
it is not possible 4 anyone to have died from covid.no evidence 4 it. fruit flys ra bigger threat!
That’s not true, rachel. Well over 100, 000 people here in the United States have died from Covid-19. That’s an awful lot, imho.
With, not from. And even that is questionable considering that no testing is required for it to be written down on the death certificate.
We can also marvel at how Covid19 cured the world of pnumonia, heart disease and cancer.
Ha ha ha! The fact is that our stupid a**ed president didn’t even bother to try to do anything about containing the Covid-19 virus back in mid-to-late January of this year, when the Covid-19 virus was still relatively easy to contain says something right there.
I’m not buying any of that BS you’re trying to sell me, Cicatriz. I stand by everything I’ve said so far.
maybe coz only 4 doctors decied to label a death covid.
What you say is an “old wives tale” (or, more non-sexist, non-ageist: “young trolls tale”) of old theory.
Fact is, it’s also pretty clear to most 10 years old that huge numbers take in the virus, huge numbers get infected, and have little or no disease symptoms and no problem. High 90 percentile. Does that matter?
So there goes your “Newtonian” conventional wisdom out the window.
It’s a case of the sniffles, man. The huge overlay of all the rest is hype, and we see it’s infected you! And not asymptomatically either.
Should we wear masks all year round, for the duration of all colds and flus? Because they are all as, or more, serious as this little Corona.
Will that become the new globally institutionalized fad and fetish, mandatory masks ’round the clock?
What you say is pretty silly. If you think it through.
Except for all these born again germaphobes. That is…
I don’t say – the top epidemiologists in New Zealand say. And HK researchers say.
And yes – if everyone wore masks year round the number of colds and flu infections would plummet.
But clearly nobody is going to do that because they are not concerned enough about catching a cold or flu to do that.
However since we are collapsing the global economy over the current virus — instead of locking down — it would make sense to instead wear masks.
It’s worked for Hong Kong.
DUH
Duh? Thats the best you can do, when the UK has 5 TIMES the number of recorded deaths as India, despite having only 4% of the population?
Duh?
Dude, you need to take a warm bath.
Wear a mask if you must. Year round.
If that’s ad hom, some kind of that is needed here. For the sake everyone.
Like I said… it takes an 80 IQ to understand my points.
I’ve got a fair bit to spare — would you like to rent 20 off of me then you can re-read what I have posted and get it?
Embarrassing. Think what you like, visitors here have been forewarned about your “arguments” which was my only mission, shared by others who are well-versed, even better, in these matters.
John, I think this person’s handle “Thomas Malthus” says it all.
Him and Bill Gates. Eugenicists unite!
It’s been said that the original (non-fake) T. R Malthus was Dickens’ inspiration for Ebenezer Scrooge. (“Reduce the surplus population!”) But that’s probably only because Bill Gates was not yet available.
His students called him “Pop”.
And Old Man Bush was called “Poppy”.
Wow, I’m amazed you bother replying. If kooks don’t wanna wear mask, then
a. They get infected and there’s high mortality in the under-brained
b. They aren’t allowed out and about and avoid spreading virus and imbecility
winwin no?
You do realize that you have about a 99.5% chance of surviving if you do catch it so this whole mask argument is irrelevant anyway.
It depends. Older adults of 65 or older, and those, regardless of age, who have underlying medical conditions such as diabetes, heart disease, kidney disease, asthma, to name a few, have much less of a chance of surviving a bout with Covid-19. Moreover, even healthy younger people, in their 20’s or younger, have died from it, also. Nobody’s immune to dying from it, regardless of age, or whatever.
I’ll also add that even with mild cases of Covid-19, unlike the regular seasonal flu, or regular bacterial or viral pneumonia, the Covid-19 virus does permanent damage to the lungs by killing off the lung tissue outright. Those who do recover from it lose 20-30% of their lung capacity, which is an awful lot, imho.
It is rare that a young, healthy person will die from Covid. It is mostly those over 65 with co-morbidities.
Are you the same Thomas Malthus who said that population growth would result in us all starving?
Ya – just hold on a while longer. Wait till the global economy collapses.
You obviously have no sense of irony.
No, this one:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thomas_Robert_Malthus
Exactly.
This piece makes a case against some of your points. You say:
This article claims:
If this is correct, then the face mask will not block most of the virus coming out of the mouth.
Your second point is:
A mask will indeed prevent one from touching mouth or nose if it covers it, by being in the way. As such it will touch the mask instead. If the claim of nearly no resistance to passage is correct, then some of the virus may go through the mask, and either fall into the mouth or nose. It may also fall onto the face or ground on the way there. But this is merely my speculation. You may indeed be correct here.
Your third point is that surgical masks are unnecessary, and that cloth is enough. As stated the article claims, and provides sources, for the claim that cloth offers no resistance.
Your fourth point about Hong Kong is fair.
I would search for a connection between rollout of 5g and Hong Kong. Is there a correlation? What about WHO influence? Has prior unrest stifled expansion of these types of programs?
The World Health Organization themselves published an extremely thorough 91 page report on mitigating the effects of pandemic influenza in October 2019. The PDF here:
https://www.who.int/influenza/publications/public_health_measures/publication/en/
According to the WHO (aren’t they the senior “medical advisory body” on the planet?) not only masks don’t work, none of these false measures being mandated globally work at all.
● Under “Overall Result of Evidence On Face Masks” (p.26) is this conclusion:
Ten RCTs [randomized controlled trials] were included in the meta [means statistical] -analysis, and there was no evidence that face masks are effective in reducing transmission of laboratory-confirmed influenza.
● Under “Overall Result of Evidence On Hand Hygiene” (p.21) is this conclusion:Eleven RCTs were included in this review … hand hygiene was not effective against laboratory-confirmed influenza in a meta-analysis in community settings …
● Under “Overall Result of Evidence on Surface and Object Cleaning” (p.29) is this:Two RCTs and one cross-sectional study were included in the systematic review … there was no evidence of effectiveness against laboratory-confirmed influenza virus infection.
● Finally, relative to “social distancing” measures, the “quality of evidence” for such measures making any real difference is consistently stated as “very low” (p.16-17).
Thanks for making my point — because the CDC says masks are great:
https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/prevent-getting-sick/diy-cloth-face-coverings.html?CDC_AA_refVal=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.cdc.gov%2Fcoronavirus%2F2019-ncov%2Fprevent-getting-sick%2Fcloth-face-cover-faq.html
And research out of Hong Kong (8M people 4 Deaths 1100 infections) says masks are OUTSTANDING!
https://www.scmp.com/news/hong-kong/health-environment/article/3084779/coronavirus-hamster-research-proof-effectiveness
And my point is – masks are obviously effectively in preventing the spread of viruses like Covid.
So why is Fauci LYING? Why is the WHO lying?
Actually he WAS lying …. because NOW he is recommending wearing masks:
You are embarrassing yourself, and a lot of us: you lean on Hong Kong. India has non-existent social distancing, ghettos packed like fish in a can, so masks are a moot point.
They have counted in 3 months corona deaths in just 4 digits, in a population of 1.3 BILLION. For the last month they were keeping pace with our California count, though having 32 TIMES as many citizens!
So much for masks! Not to mention other hygiene protocols….
Is the ten-year-old you refer to a scientist? Because, well:
“There is currently no evidence that wearing a mask (whether medical or other types) by healthy persons in the wider community setting, including universal community masking, can prevent them from infection with respiratory viruses, including COVID-19.”
—“Advice on the use of masks in the context of Covid-19,” World Health Organization, April 6, 2020
“Sweeping mask recommendations—as many have proposed—will not reduce SARS-CoV-2 transmission, as evidenced by the widespread practice of wearing such masks in Hubei province, China, before and during its mass COVID-19 transmission experience earlier this year. Our review of relevant studies indicates that cloth masks will be ineffective at preventing SARS-CoV-2 transmission, whether worn as source control or as PPE.”
— “Masks-for-all for COVID-19 not based on sound data,” Center for Infectious Disease Research and Policy
“There have been extensive randomized controlled trial (RCT) studies, and meta-analysis reviews of RCT studies, which all show that masks and respirators do not work to prevent respiratory influenza-like illnesses, or respiratory illnesses believed to be transmitted by droplets and aerosol particles.”
— “Masks Don’t Work: A review of science relevant to COVID-19 social policy,” Denis G. Rancourt, PhD, researcher, Ontario Civil Liberties Association
“The evidence from laboratory filtration studies suggests that fabric masks may reduce the transmission of larger respiratory droplets. There is little evidence regarding transmission of small aerosolized particulates of the size potentially exhaled by asymptomatic or presymptomatic individuals with COVID-19.”
— The National Academies of Science, Engineering, and Medicine, April 8, 2020
“Neither surgical nor cotton masks effectively filtered SARS–CoV-2 during coughs by infected patients.”
— Annals of Internal Medicine, April 6, 2020
And for a laugh:
“There’s no reason to be walking around with a mask. When you’re in the middle of an outbreak, wearing a mask might make people feel a little bit better, and it might even block a droplet, but it’s not providing the perfect protection that people think that it is. . . . When you think masks, you should think of health care providers needing them and people who are ill.”
— Dr. Anthony Fauci, CBS 60 Minutes, March 8, 2020
You soeak of 10 years old, did you rrad the article? It counters exactly what uiure saying, with professional scientific inconclusiveness.
But then, youre a leading epidemiologist. My bad.
Its true that everyone wears a mask in China. They have extreme air pollution. AND they are compliant…I may be very compliant in China.. Could it be a nice perk that it has slowed covid??? (covid particles are so small they can get through a mask just like a sneeze particle)…. It could also be that the numbers are lies…. they weren’t exactly quick to come forth about the virus now were they? We have so much invested in the stories… And the news coverage for the politicos is like a dream come true for them! FREE PUB!! All day everyday for months. They want to keep this gig up right to election day and all the TV watchers will vote for them for doing such a great job at getting free publicity. Oy Vey. And of course I feel badly for those who have the flu and worse for those who have died. Having said that, the science does not support the panic and does not support the mask wearing for well people.
I’ve worn the mask and started sneezing. Something in the environment got through the mask and triggered my allergies. It’s hard to believe that a cloth mask that can’t stop an allergan from getting through would be effective in stopping a highly-contagious virus. In NYS, we’re required to wear the mask in public places. I see people sitting and standing next to each other–those who are over 65 or obese, the vulnerable–and they seem to think they’re “safe” because they’re wearing the mask. Ridiculous. Gives people a false sense of security.
Here’s something Fauci won’t tell you. Want to prevent Covid? Here’s how: eat healthy–fresh fruits and veges, exercise every single day, take care of your health, lose weight.
Regarding your first point, what is the reason for people who are not coughing or sneezing, who have no symptoms, to wear the mask? They aren’t able to prevent themselves from touching their mouths? Viruses can make their way through most of the cloth masks people are wearing. Early on during the pandemic, many dr’s and nurses were saying that wearing a mask won’t keep you from getting an infection but now suddenly that advice has changed and those dr’s/nurses who claim otherwise will be censored or have their careers damaged by the groupthinkers who won’t allow dissenting voices.
Not about masks or COVID-19, but relating to another viral hoax you will remember; at least, you will remember the “virus”, but may not be fully aware that it was a hoax.
If you’ve heard of the RT-PCR test, you will no doubt have heard of its inventor, Kary Mullis. Here he is in full flight, back in 1997 apparently, ripping into Gallo and others of the AIDs “establishment”:
Sadly, he died in 2019. I wish he were still around; I wonder what he’d be saying about COVID-19.
The Establishment hated him because he was into LSD25.Brilliant mind.
There are those who believe that his death in August 2019 was convenient, since his calling out his own test as not suitable for diagnosis would have carried a lot of weight.
Rancourt’s research suggests that it would be very surprising if masks would stop airborne coronavirus or influenza particles which cause viral respiratory diseases, because they are much to small to be effectively filtered out; here’s what he actually said.
<i>Masks and respirators do not work. There have been extensive randomized controlled trial (RCT) studies, and meta-analysis reviews of RCT studies, which all show that masks and respirators do not work to prevent respiratory influenza-like illnesses, or respiratory illnesses believed to be transmitted by droplets and aerosol particles. Furthermore, the relevant known physics and biology, which I review, are such that masks and respirators should not work. It would be a paradox if masks and respirators worked, given what we know about viral respiratory diseases: The main transmission path is long-residence-time aerosol particles (< 2.5 μm), which are too fine to be blocked, and the minimum-infective-dose is smaller than one aerosol particle. The present paper about masks illustrates the degree to which governments, the mainstream media, and institutional propagandists can decide to operate in a science vacuum, or select only incomplete science that serves their interests. Such recklessness is also certainly the case with the current global lockdown of over 1 billion people, an unprecedented experiment in medical and political history.</i>
It would not be stretching things to say he is a controversial figure, and like many such, there have been efforts to portray him – in editable sources such as Wikipedia – as an unstable radical. But judge for yourself if the reasons cited for removing his material from the public discourse are science-based.
https://activistteacher.blogspot.com/
The authority that removed the material is quite clear that its reason for doing so is because Rancourt’s disdain for masks as a preventative measure against viral respiratory diseases goes against the advice of the WHO.
<i>”In this case, your report was advocating that face masks are not effective and, in effect, discouraging their use. This goes against the public health advice and/or requirements of credible agencies and governments.”</i>
Somehow it is expected the WHO, which wholeheartedly embraced the Imperial College computer model that has been so thoroughly discredited, is goin g to emerge from this debacle as a ‘credible agency’.
On Friday (June 5), the World Health Organisation reversed itself in the issue of face masks and recommended them for the general public. Its website provides no rationale for the change of advice. The corporate media are pushing the line that the science has changed, but signally fail to cite a single scientific study.
It is obvious that the changed recommendation has nothing to do with evidence. But it is not obvious (to me) why the WHO has changed its long standing advice right now.
Exactly. Covid-19 peaked in most countries in late March, early April. It has been declining since then. So why are governments ramping up the wearing of masks. Why is the drive coming after the virus has basically extinguished itself?
The inevitable effect of the general population wearing masks would be to increase the level of fear.
And for the populace to signify their ready capitulation in this prelude to a foreboding future. Kind of a ‘slave mask’.
Yup, quite simply one of many (seemingly effective) rhetorical tactics used in the covid PR campaign / psyop. I imagine the spin doctors have access to a realtime dashboard (thanks to our modern surveillance state) of how effective the narrative control is, below a certain value and it’s time to crank up the fear campaign. Hence all the flip flopping on masks ie evidence vs narrative control. The mask debate is ubsurd on many fronts, but critically it shifts the discussion among we plebs from the severity (or lack there of) of covid to the technical and emotional aspects of a wearing a mask.
I agree with the reasons given below plus many textile companies were asked to play they part in the universal war against Covid 19, France for example where there had been a shortage of them is now replete with them so people need to wear them to empty the stocks.
Are you interested in the answer, as to ‘why’ people are forced to wear face masks?
Good. You will have to do a little science project. It will be necessary to borrow, or purchase a ‘pulse oximeter’. Check your blood oxygen saturation level. Without medical condition, it should be over 95%. After controlled breathing it should be 98%. Note your result. Put on any facemask. Wear it for five minutes. Take another reading with your oximeter and you know why people are forced to wear masks. The blood oxygen saturation level sinking.
Kicking the can the down the road.
The death figures won’t be scaring people anymore, in fact they may be causing people to ask questions about the death rates in excess of covid-19 in the excess death rates.
We’ve probably got another year of goal-post moving while they rush their vaccine to market.
FEAR is the reason, see people wearing masks, disease is everywhere, be afraid, its psychological warfare
My question though was why the World Health Organisation had reversed advice now.
there is no science to ANYTHING they are doing, its medieval superstition and hysteria, using trash computer programs, fake numbers and fear propaganda thats driving this political agenda
it is science of terrorism.cold calculated abuse.
Scientist Denis Rancourt out of Canada reviewed current medical scientific literature on the use of masks and the conclusion is quite clear: masks don’t work. https://www.pearl-hifi.com/11_Spirited_Growth/10_Health_Neg/04_Pandemics/05_COVID_Craziness/Masks_Dont_Work.pdf
http://ocla.ca/wp-content/uploads/2020/04/Rancourt-Masks-dont-work-review-science-re-COVID19-policy.pdf
Clearly the establishment really wants us to wear masks. What’s less clear is why.
Seems to me it’s in order to weaken the social bonds between us. If we can’t see each other’s faces, human interaction will evaporate. No More Uprisings!
Personally, I have a hard time understanding what people are saying when they are wearing a mask, and often have to ask for a repeat. I’m not hearing-impaired and don’t need to lip-read, but the quality of speech is degraded for me if I cannot see the person’s face but they are speaking to me directly.
I will not legitimize any government which had a part in this by casting a vote when elections come round, as if I lived in a democratic country. They can just get on with it on their own. They had no problem doing what they’ve done in this cock-up without public input, and went against it in many cases.
That was my first impression when this whole thing started. All those people supporting Bernie here in the US and the yellow vests in France, political protests against inequality and neoliberalism around the world? Now, a lot of those people are hiding in their homes in fear. The fear of this virus has hijacked the progressive movement. Progressives are advocating censorship, praising Bill Gates, welcoming a vaccine for a virus that doesn’t kill the majority who get it and that will probably go away on its own.
Has everybody seen this clip on YouTube? Type in or copy and paste: I Wear My Face Mask In My Car (Corey Hart Parody) (424 Hz)
Excellent. Should be in the top 40 pop charts!
For decades Asians have worn facemasks not to prevent getting but to limit other people recieving what they have. Hence lower levels of bacteria in the air because the trajectory is less. Also you are only on the public transport for maximum 1 hour so breathing your own air how small it would be ain’t gonna do much so why argue. Surely you should be more upset by the amount you pay for travel??? Your priorities are all askew
Perhaps its becuase the whole mask thing is utter bollocks that makes folk unhappy about it? you go ahead and conform and obey the idiotic cod science. Those who use their brains in a healthy and critical way, will stick two fingers up to this idiot shit or perhaps get a tad artistic as suggested by others here, by wearng the v for vendetta mask or something that is sinsister and alerts people to the fact we are in a very bad episode of black mirror, fuck the mask and fuck the idiots who wear them, sick and tired of the halfwits who keep this bullshit going.
Which bs. So the government doesn’t want you back at work paying your taxes? Can’t really see the sense in that one
Is there any evidence – any evidence at all – that the workforce would have been decimated by COVID-19 if people did not wear facemasks? How about if there had been no lockdown? Did you look at the group which comprised nearly all the dead?
Asians often wear facemasks to reassure westerners that they are taking steps to forestall infecting anyone else in case they have something.
Surely you’re not marketing government as a credible entity which behaves as a rational person would? In the astounding event you are, I’d be interested in an explanation for how the US government (Bureau of Labor Statistics) registered a record growth of new businesses being started in mid-May when nearly the whole US economy was at a standstill. Yes, in that survey period – so they would have you believe – 375,000 jobs were added.
I’ve been musing on a ‘V’ mask for the trains and so on. Speaks volumes, these days!
I would if in England, If you have a “smart” phone, travel fully tooled up, I have the videos of Prof Whitty saying how the virus is harmless to the vast majority etc and the one of the health secretary saying that in a “normal year” 10,000 people die every month in care homes, as well as the UK govt own webpage that states covid19 is not a HCID which dates from 19th March and is still thier position, gotta get in thier faces, we need an anti covid, anit lockdown song give the masses a bit of subliminal ear worm 😉
Hit the halfwits back with the experts they obviously have not been listening to at the UK Gov’s covid19 briefings.
I like the V for Vendetta mask idea.
Health workers say Trump protest GOOD, lockdown protest BAD. About 1,200 staff, many of them from University of Washington’s infectious diseases department support the protests against police as “vital to public health… specifically of Black people in the United States.”
They take the opposite view when it comes to civil liberties protestors. Strangely they see civil rights in the context of the police and civil rights in the context of government as unrelated.
“This should not be confused with a permissive stance on all gatherings, particularly protests against stay-home orders,” state the health professionals, who say those protests are also “rooted in white nationalism.”
https://www.cnn.com/2020/06/05/health/health-care-open-letter-protests-coronavirus-trnd/index.html
Corporatist News Network and The Corporatist Guardian both have argued that stay-home rules and social distancing don’t apply when you are protesting against Trump/the police. At all other times you’re a selfish, granny-killing bastard.
Moneycircus – I read that article and was nearly sick into my cornflakes! If you are an Antifa member and out there to incite riots and to kill people that’s ok, but you can’t go out and protest because your business has gone bump and you are starving. As from today, I go where I want when I want. I am not just black lives matter, but all lives matter I’m afraid.
I read this too and if you look at the statistics, covid19 is lower in death rate probably because of the protests so isn’t that a good thing?
…wait for this statement I heard this morning on the BBC newspaper review. When asked by the presenter whether he was comfortable with people protesting and not conforming to social distancing, the response from James Rampton of the Independent was along the lines of [not quite verbatim, but as near as it needs to be] “Well this issue [Black Lives Matter] has caught the imagination like no other so that is why it is understandable that people want to protest”. (My emphasis). This just goes to confirm that “people” including James Rampton need to develop much sharper powers of imagination.
The hypocrisy of the lockdown supporters deifies belief. The same people who demanded the measures that deny dying people the comfort of spending their final moments on earth with their loved ones, enthusiastically praise the non-social distancing violent protests. https://viewsandstories.blogspot.com/2020/06/coronavirus-hypocrisy-of.html
A couple of weeks ago I posted factual information on a local community website about why we should be cynical of the mainstream narrative – I decided, against my better judgement, to do this in order to support someone else who had suggested people should listen to Lord Sumption. The thread had been triggered by people saying how irresponsible people in London were being for not social distancing etc “Don’t they realise they are going to cause hundreds of people to die? etc etc”. As was to be expected I received a patronising and condescending reaction to the effect that I was an unhinged conspiracy theorist (‘you no doubt think the earth is flat as well’) and endorsing murder.
I went on that same website today to see what was being said to condemn the lack of social distancing amongst thousands of people currently demonstrating in London and elsewhere…absolutely zilch. I was tempted to post a potentially inflammatory comment but thought better of it.
Yes, Judy, I’ve encountered the same polarizing, divisive, dismissive and even attacking response in social media when hoping to create an intelligent conversation about challenging the official narrative. This especially from my ” liberal, progressive, well-educated (white)” friends and acquaintances. Do we stop challenging because it evokes heated emotional and anecdotal responses, or do we refuse to be silenced in the healthy and essentially democratic role of questioning authority?
Hi Aysha,
Thanks for your comments. Many of us have said on this website recently how dismayed we are that acquaintances whom we personally considered to have analytical and critical skills seem totally incapable of divorcing themselves from the propaganda.
From experience I think it is largely pointless to try to get any messages across in written communications. They are just rebuffed with no critical consideration. What I try now, and appears to be received much better, is a degree of subtlety!
If I’m talking to someone I definitely now avoid saying outright that I do not believe any of the Government’s actions are justified. I let the other person pass comment on the situation, whilst I react ‘sympathetically’, and then say “It’s interesting to hear you say that…I was only reading a report/an expert’s testimony/an article/a research study (or whatever) the other day saying that …. ” and then provide a (simple, if possible!) refutation of the point they have just made. Most views can be refuted with ease! People seem to be willing to listen to me when I adopt this approach.
We certainly shouldn’t give up. 😀
That’s a good idea to be subtle. I’ve actually had friends accuse me of not “thinking critically” or “empirically” because I question the narrative.
Honestly, I’ve taken college classes where we were trained to think critically. Thinking critically means questioning the narrative… It’s disappointing, to say the least, because these are otherwise smart people. They should know better.
Also I’ve discovered that my African-American and immigrant friends are usually more open to questioning authority, probably because they’ve been lied to so many times by people in authority so they aren’t so trusting. We have too many middle class white people in the “progressive” movement.
I’ve actually been blocked by some people on FB for posting videos that question the lockdown. I wasn’t attacking anyone or being abusive, just expressing an opinion that many so-called progressives can’t handle.
Question is, if they know they’re right, whey can’t they argue against my point? Why do they need to delete my post and block me?
I guess ignorance is strength nowadays…
Regardless of what anybody else says or thinks, I firmly stand by my opinion that no social distancing during the Covid-19 pandemic is way beyond foolish–and stupid. Putting one’s own health and life, not to mention other people’s lives and health at risk, regardless of what the cause may be, to me is totally not worth it.
It’s disturbing to see so many so-called “progressives” start to act like the very establishment they claimed to be protesting against. Now, progressives advocate censorship. I’ve unsubscribed from political organizations urging me to put pressure on sites like FB to censor certain ideas. Seriously? That is not what progressivism is from my point of view. Not to mention, there are friends I can’t talk to anymore. I actually was called a “conspiracy theorist” for saying that those of us who’ve gotten the virus might have the antibodies now. I was also called that for mentioning there will be many deaths due to this lockdown. Honestly, that seems like common sense to me…
Also it was just reported in the newspaper here in NY that there’s a sharp rise in drug overdoses due to the lockdown. Gov. Cuomo responded by budget cutting funding to drug rehab centers! Yet people still thinks Cuomo cares about our health? Many people will die from drug abuse, suicide, domestic violence, etc., due to this lockdown. So… how many lives are we saving?
Such ‘progressives’ are only progressive with those they think are as progressive as themselves. They certainly do not like diversity of opinion, and are extremely quick to smear those who think otherwise and to shut them up. They do so with a clear conscience, since they believe themselves to be good people who are fighting bad people.
It’s all insane. Either mass gatherings spread sars-cov2 or they don’t. I’m inclined to the position that viruses do not care one bit about either racism, police brutality or civil liberties (they’re a bit like governments in that sense).
So what are we to learn here? Spreading a killer virus is okay for a good cause?
Or, rather, do we learn that there is no real threat and we just need excuses to stop protests some people don’t like?
The Covid-19 virus is far more deadly–and more contagious than the seasonal flu(s) that come around to haunt us every year, plus, unlike for the seasonal flu(s), and regular viral or bacterial pneumonia, there’s still no vaccine for the Covid-19 virus.
While vaccines for regular pneumonia and flu don’t guarantee against becoming ill, they do at least reduce the severity of these illnesses if one comes down with any of them.
Also, with Covid-19, people who do survive never do fully recover from it, because the Covid-19 virus does permanent damage to the lungs, resulting in permanent lung incapacitation of 20-30%, because it kills off the lung tissue outright.
Also, even healthy younger people are getting seriously ill from Covid-19, and even dying from it. That has been happening in places here in the United States where people are entirely too cavalier and refuse to follow the rules of wearing masks out in public, and social distancing.
lockdown is racialy different since blacks need more sun exposure 4 vitamin d.
If masks don’t work – why do healthcare workers wear them? Is the only benefit from droplets from sneezing and coughing? How about the N95 masks, do they also not work just like surgical masks?
Someone didn’t read the article. BTW, doctor, I’m an astronaut in my fake life.
good comment.
While I am a doctor in my real life, I practice natural medicine in a private practice. I don’t have people come to the office if they are sick with an infectious disease. So, it is not something I need to deal with. Unless a doctor specifically works with this kind of thing, they probably don’t have a detailed understanding of it either.
The article doesn’t mention N95 masks, which is why I asked. I am trying to understand what the best science says, which is often different from the official narrative.
Enough about the masks, now. We are aware that the whole scenario of masks and social repulsion has nothing to do with our health. June 15th can be the day the UK people declare that lockdown is over, and that social distance is back to zero. Or, if conditions permit, less than zero. Everybody out! as we say.
Watt – As I said to Moneycircus above ‘ If you are an Antifa member and out there to incite riots and to kill people that’s ok, but you can’t go out and protest because your business has gone bump and you are starving. As from June 15th, I go where I want when I want.’ As you say ‘Everybody out!’
now is the time. june 15th they will say wait till july
rachel – Very true. I do please myself now, but as my favourite animal rescue charity shops are shut as well as the small shops and indoor markets that I frequent, I haven’t really had the motivation to get out and about much. 15th of June kind of marks the day when the general public will be let off their leashes. But as you say, things could change in an instant, so I won’t hold my breath.
A mask would be useful only if you are sick and coughing and sneezing all over the place. Otherwise it is useless and harmful. The claims that the masks stop the coronavirus spread in the society are bullshit because there is no data to prove it. There are no studies to prove this theory because this kind of study is close to impossible to perform! It would be an extremely difficult, long, and expensive research project that would produce what’s called correlative data which is considered weak and is not proof of anything, and would not stand up to scientific scrutiny. It is impossible to study the mask parameter because one cannot isolate it from many other processes playing out the same time, such as the fact that the virus has run its natural course through the population before people started wearing masks, etc.
What I do know for a fact that my smile cheers up people during their shitty days, while their masked faces create in me a lot of anxiety, stress and sadness.
I waiting to see if that guy that used an improvised face mask in order to prevent face recognition is going to ask his money back from those MF scoundrels!
I hope the automatic formatting doesn’t spread the blockquoted dialogue out too annoyingly, but this vintage “Simpsons” excerpt illustrates the logic behind all of the draconian “public-health measures”– masks, isolation, distancing. No offense intended to commenters who are true believers in the efficacy of tiger-repelling rocks:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wnBMwPcRbVE
PS: Sorry for the horrible formatting; I tried to remove the grotesquely distorted blockquote and fix the dialogue, but got an error message that the comment could not be edited. (?)
That’s an even better explanation than mine.
Assuming that masks do work, and that there is a significant atmospheric viral load, then these masks, over time, will accumulate signigficant quantities of viral particles. These are reported to survive for exteneded periods (7 days has been mentioned for masks). That means the masks should be regarded as clinical waste for disposal.
What is the correct procedure for this? Presumably incineration for hopital waste, after temporary storage in clearly-marked clinical waste bags. Presumably the governement will set up suitable clinical waste disposal points country-wide to allow safe disposal of these masks?
Will they fsck! They know it is BS, and political rather than medical procedure, which is being carried out to cover their own backsides for this fiasco.
Disposal arrangements? No. Just do what I believe is done in my area – which is a quite ‘nice’ area – and chuck the old masks and gloves by the roadside. I have seen photos on a local Community Facebook page – items allegedly deposited by carers in the community but I can’t validate that.
A very insightful point.
I imagine we’ll get some clarity a la Salisbury and we can baby wipes to clean them off. If they can deal with the world’s most deadly nerve agent…
Some comments are negative… “there’s nothing one person can do!” Believe! don’t wear a face covering, your smile could lift and radically alter the trajectory of another’s mood.
it has no legal standing.consent is required 4 medical procedure. bus driver has no lisence to practice medicine.
The OG bang on the money again
The Corporatist Media says the lockdown and social distancing don’t apply when you are protesting against Trump/the police. At all other times you’re a selfish, granny-killing bastard. https://www.dumptheguardian.com/world/2020/jun/04/is-it-safe-to-protest-during-a-pandemic-experts-answer-our-questions
Maybe all Britons should take to wearing Guy Fawkes masks on transport, a mask being a mask.
Good one. V says it all!
i think no masks is normal. tune them out they can be so loud.
You say you were only able to find one “evidence based” study with very “soft” conclusions? Then read this. I’ve shared this as widely as possible including a private forum which your editors participate in. The author a well respected neurosurgeon quotes several studies including one that shows masks lower blood oxygen levels. Mask wearing is NOT JUST a benign nuisance; it is seriously harmful.
https://ratical.org/PandemicParallaxView/Blaylock-MasksPoseSeriousRisks.html
This is the oxygenation study:
http://scielo.isciii.es/pdf/neuro/v19n2/3.pdf
Note they do make some qualifications on their results and they do–which I agree with–call for more studies. One would think that such a significant aspect of clinical practice would have more science behind it. There is evidence that masks need not be worn at all. Perhaps a face shield to protect against droplet infection would be better as it would not impair breathing.
face shield is avitual tv screen 4 losers to watch slaves n goddesses
Perhaps a weekly dose of vitamin D3 would provide more support to the immune system than any face mask could.
https://www.hse.gov.uk/pubns/priced/hsg53.pdf
HSE does not recommend wearing a mask for more than an hour.
Not to mention face fitting is a legal requirement.
https://www.hse.gov.uk/news/face-mask-ppe-rpe-coronavirus.htm
Can’t you point out where it says wearing only for an hour, please.
Table 2
Page 16
Thanks Dave. I apologize for saying can’t you point… That sounds rude and I had meant to say can.
Table 2 and page 18 cover this point, and other important matters to consider when arranging a fitting to ensure the mask is serving a purpose. It is also recommended in para 67 (page 18) that people undergo a medical assessment if it is not certain whether they are fit to use a face mask. The guidance also says that people being fitted for masks should not have facial hair where the mask is supposed to be in contact with the face.
Also a personal face fitting generally costs around £50 and you provide the masks!
Anything less than a properly fitting respirator is equally ineffective.
Thanks for the links, Dave. I passed a large queue of people outside a local shop yesterday. Many elderly people who looked quite frail, maybe around half of them were wearing masks. It was fairly hot (rare in Scotland!) and I couldn’t help thinking that they are probably doing themselves more harm than good. As well as the affects of having to stand so long. Very sad..
The other week (when it was still warm/hot and sunny most days in southern England, and possibly elsewhere), I saw a man waiting in the supermarket queue wearing a mask, a sort of Foreign Legion hat (covering head and back of neck and top of shoulders) with a large peak, long-sleeved shirt, & long trousers,at a time when most people were wearing shorts and short-sleeved shirts.
It occurred to me that he was doing the best he could to eliminate almost all natural vitamin D production by the sun, which might have been a lot better protection than the mask.
Theories?…transhumanist agenda, de-humanizing visually, makes one look at other humans in an emotionless manner, encourages rioting, test of subordination response, the eugenicist crowd may enjoy it for negative health effects, testing facial recognition programs with limited facial scanning, just because they can.
Don’t forget people, Corona virus can enter the body via the eyes.
Yep. Most diseases are spread though the eyes, not the mouth. They conveniently fail to bring this into conversation. Think even the biggest morons would balk at wearing goggles.
Anything but a true respirator is a waste of time.
I’ve seen morons wearing ski goggles in supermarkets in Berlin already. Not once or twice.
detox is no disease.
Don’t forget that there are more bacterial cells in the human body than human ones and about 100 times that many viruses. If you don’t want to get sick, nourish your immune system with vitamins A, C, D3, E and zinc.
it is only contagiose in the way yawning is.
As strange as it may seem, I am a massive fan of solar power, which is doing a great job of growing my potatoes. Today, I received even more solar powered toys direct from China (the delivery was really quick, less than a couple of weeks – so China seems to be pretty much back to normal). Solar powered toys are great for lighting up your garden in summer. Beautiful multi-coloured lights.
I am also very eco-friendly as are all my family.
The problem is, that in the UK, no one that I know uses solar power for their Christmas Lights decorating their homes for quite obvious reasons.
I have always had a massive interest in boats, and enormous respect for independent people in the UK, who live on canal boats in the middle of winter, who obviously have very little money, and their boat (often decorated completely beautifully), have no connection to mains electricity.
They may have a windmill, and maybe a few solar panels mounted on the top of their boats in summer.
In winter, well – even if it is windy and sunny, the solar power stands absolutely no chance of keeping their boats warm enough to live in.
We like a long walk along a canal, in the depths of winter, and we talk to our English boat people…
What are you using to keep warm mate?
The stack of logs on the top of his boat tells me everything.
So prepare for winter, just in case it is like the winter of 1963 which was incredibly cold.
If you have got a chimney, I suggest buying some smokeless coal – as an emergency reserve, and camping gas, and a camping stove to cook on….just in case we have the a massive anti-cyclone like 1963 for 3 months. No wind, no sun, and no National Grid…well if you want to survive into the spring of 2021
The supermarkets where you used to get your food from, may have no food, even if you can get there tramping through the snow.
In my expereince, the poorest people you may meet in England, or anywhere in the world, are by far the most generous. The little they have, they will share with you, and will invite you into their homes.
Tony
Excuse me I don’t mean to be negative or contradict you but;
Should not exist in the same paragraph or coment, its wrong on many levels even if you don’t believe in the “climate change” narrative.