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Scientists Have Utterly Failed to Prove that the Coronavirus Fulfills Koch’s Postulates

Amory Devereux and Rosemary Frei

About 150 years ago, scientists painstakingly constructed a set of principles that can prove whether a particular microbe is the cause of a specific disease or is just a bystander. Those three principles are known as the Koch postulates.

From all the available information, the novel coronavirus doesn’t appear to meet any of these tenets, never mind all three.

Like most human endeavours, the Koch postulates were the product of collaboration. First, Jakob Henle developed the underlying concepts, and then Robert Koch and Friedrich Loeffler spent decades refining them until they were published in 1890. The resulting three postulates are:

  1. The pathogen occurs in every case of the disease in question and under circumstances that can account for the pathological changes and clinical course of the disease.
  2. The causative microorganism occurs in no other disease as a fortuitous and nonpathogenic parasite.
  3. After being fully isolated from the body and grown in tissue culture (or cloned), it can induce the disease anew.

The principles have been altered almost beyond recognition by various researchers over the ensuing 130 years. But the changes concomitantly watered down the postulates. That’s why they’re still used today by most researchers seeking to robustly prove or disprove the existence of a pathogen and its exclusive relationship with a particular disease.

There’s an urgent need for scientists to step up and do this conclusively with the novel coronavirus and COVID-19. But, strangely, the fire hose of scientific papers on the virus-disease dyad is only a sickly trickle on this tremendously important aspect of it.

A very straightforward and inexpensive experiment is all that’s needed to prove that the first postulate has been met.

Here’s how to do it. Test blood samples from a large number of people for the novel coronavirus using a test that’s been proven by several non-conflicted third parties to be accurate – i.e., to have very low rates of false positives and false negatives.

Then, if all the people who are diagnosed with COVID-19 are the same ones who tested positive for the novel coronavirus, that would prove the virus causes COVID-19. (Note that COVID-19 would have to be diagnosed based on a well-defined and finite set of symptoms. The currently-used and excessively broad diagnostic criteria – such as pneumonia, or the combination of fever and cough – doesn’t cut it, because those are present in many other respiratory conditions.)

But such an experiment has never been done, or if it has been done it hasn’t been made public.

The real kicker, though, is that the third postulate – isolating and sequencing the virus and then showing it causes the disease in other organisms – has not been fulfilled either.

We’ve scoured the internet and found no proof that scientists have done the simple steps required to demonstrate that SARS-CoV-2 conclusively meets even one – never mind all — of the third postulate’s constituent parts. Those parts are:

  • isolation from a human patient’s cells of full-length novel-coronavirus DNA*
  • sequencing of the isolated DNA, then determining that the identical sequence is not present in any other virus, and next replicating or cloning the DNA to form a new copy of the virus
  • injecting the new copy of the virus into a statistically significant number of living hosts (usually lab animals) and seeing whether those animals develop the discrete diagnostic symptoms associated with COVID-19 rather than developing the diagnostic symptoms of any other infection or disease.

A few scientists have claimed that some or all of the postulates have been fulfilled. Their papers have been given laudatory coverage by the media, public-health officials and politicians.

The problem is that each of these papers falls apart on even cursory examination.

For example, in February 2020 Chinese and Dutch researchers published studies purporting to show they had isolated the virus, which is the first step in fulfilling the third postulate.

But both teams sourced the virus from animals rather than humans. (And on top of that, the Dutch study was done 15 years ago on SARS-CoV, not SARS-CoV-2.)

Another example is a review paper by two Americans published in February 2020 and cinematically titled ‘Return of the Coronavirus: 2019-nCoV.’ Two places in the paper suggest the third postulate has been at least partially fulfilled.

The first is in the section titled ‘Emergence.’ There, the two authors write:

After extensive speculation about a causative agent [of the Wuhan outbreak], the Chinese Center for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) confirmed a report by the Wall Street Journal and announced identification of a novel CoV on 9th January [2]. The novel CoV (2019-nCoV) was isolated from a single patient and subsequently verified in 16 additional patients [3]. While not yet confirmed to induce the viral pneumonia, 2019-nCoV was quickly predicted as the likely causative agent.

Strikingly, though, reference 3 that the authors link to at the end of the second sentence is a World Health Organization press release rather than a published study.

The section’s next two sentences describe several Chinese research groups’ virus-sequencing results. However, these sequencing attempts are shoddy. For example, one group’s paper has many red flags – and indeed, on the web page showing the group’s sequence, commenters point to such problems as ‘sequencing and assembly artifacts.’ That group also didn’t replicate or clone the DNA to form a new copy of the virus, as required by the third postulate. (All subsequent sequencing attempts also have fatal flaws with respect to meeting the postulates.)

Yet the Chinese researchers’ gene sequences are integral to all of the polymerase chain reaction (PCR) test kits.

The second place in the review paper that refers to the principles is in the fifth section, ‘Achieving Koch Postulates.’ The authors assert that:

Traditional identification of a microbe as the causative agent of disease requires fulfillment of Koch’s postulates, modified by Rivers for viral diseases [37]. At the present time, the 2019-nCoV has been isolated from patients, detected by specific assays in patients, and cultured in host cells (one available sequence is identified as a passage isolate), starting to fulfill these criteria.

What’s missing is even one reference to back up those assertions.

Meanwhile, public-health officials appear oblivious to this gaping hole in the science. They imperiously pronounce that they’re using the best data available, and act as if evidence-based decision-making is the substrate for the draconian measures they’re imposing.

Could it be that they’re in fact using decision-based evidence-making?

Here’s an idea: please email your local, state/provincial AND national/federal governments, asking for solid scientific evidence that:

  1. SARS-CoV-2 causes a discrete illness that matches the characteristics of all of the deaths attributed to COVID-19
  2. the virus has been isolated, reproduced and then shown to cause this discrete illness.

If you get a response, please share it below.

*The virus contains RNA, which it injects into the nuclei of cells. There, the RNA is converted to DNA by reverse transcriptase enzymes.^
Amory Devereux is a freelance writer and podcaster with 13 years’ experience as a language and communications trainer. He is the co-host of Liberty & Logos and is currently working on a book detailing his fleeing from England due to fears over the totalitarian nature of the UK Coronavirus Act. You can listen to an interview he recently gave about this journey and follow him on Twitter.
Rosemary Frei has an MSc in molecular biology from the Faculty of Medicine at the University of Calgary and was a freelance medical writer and journalist for 22 years. She is now an independent investigative journalist. You can read her article on The Seven Steps from Pandemic to Totalitarianism, watch and listen to an interview she gave on the pandemic, and follow her on Twitter.

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david
david
Aug 2, 2020 9:09 PM

“For example, in February 2020 Chinese and Dutch researchers published studies purporting to show they had isolated the virus, which is the first step in fulfilling the third postulate.
But both teams sourced the virus from animals rather than humans.”

According to
https://www.biorxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.02.07.939389v3.full

“the virus used was: The SARS-CoV-2 (strain HB-01) was kindly provided by Professor Wenjie Tan1, from the China Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (China CDC). The complete genome for this SARS-CoV-2 was submitted to GISAID (BetaCoV/Wuhan/IVDC-HB-01/2020|EPI_ISL_402119), and deposited in the China National Microbiological Data Center (accession number NMDC10013001 and genome accession numbers MDC60013002-01).”

And according to
https://www.nejm.org/doi/10.1056/NEJMoa2001017

“one full-length sequence was obtained from a virus isolated from a patient (BetaCoV/Wuhan/IVDC-HB-01/2020|EPI_ISL_402119).”

James Graham
James Graham
Jul 18, 2020 11:44 PM

Marx said that in exchange in the market the natural/scientific qualities and properties of goods and services, commodities, are extinguished. Their exchange value trumps their use value. That includes labour and the labour of scientists. Like the rest, the product of the labour of scientists, employed by capitalists, becomes capital…their exclusive private property.
 
Given the profit motive represents an incentive to cheat, then I am in no doubt an unregulated free market in health services could become a playground for business studies’ PR, sales, marketing, quack psychology people and rent-a-scientists.
 
The covid19 pandemic will go down as a monument to capitalist incompetence. But that is not news as there is a long line of said monuments stretching off into and beyond the horizon.
 
I’m with Allyson Pollock. It’s a mess because we have let the NHS go to the dogs.

Hypnotoad666
Hypnotoad666
Jul 17, 2020 3:28 PM

Recent analysis of “excess deaths” show that covid is pretty harmless. But even those appear clearly rigged. For example, a fancy graphic in the Economist this week is based on a baseline of expected deaths that merely averaged the number of deaths in each week over the last five years. But as everyone knows, the US population of old people gets significantly larger with each passing year.
 
The correct way to calculate the expected death baseline would be to average the historic weekly death rate for each age, and then multiply that rate by the number of the current population at that age.
 
But instead they go out of their way to deliberately reduce the baseline and inflate the number of “excess deaths.”
 
I don’t like believing in conspiracies unless I have to. But every bit of actual hard evidence (and lack thereof), keeps pointing to the conclusion that this “pandemic” is a run-of-the-mill flu event that has been turned into a crisis by the media and other opportunistic actors.
 

Allan
Allan
Jul 20, 2020 9:12 AM
Reply to  Hypnotoad666

Then it would be Airborne as they say, if it were Flu` no??

Hypnotoad666
Hypnotoad666
Jul 20, 2020 6:28 PM
Reply to  Allan

Sure. It’s “airborne,” as in spread by little droplets of mucous or spittle. Just like most flu and cold viruses. But it’s not floating around like a poisonous gas. My issue isn’t the degree of contagiousness but the lack of any serious lethality.

CannotFoolMe
CannotFoolMe
Jul 13, 2020 6:28 AM

THE TRUTH HIDDEN IN PLAIN SIGHT

► There are those who do not want you to know the truth. They will do everything they can to distract from the real issues or make fun of those who are exposing fake modern science.

THE CORONA SICKNESS IS NOT BEING CAUSED BY A VIRUS. THAT IS WHY WE CAN AFFIRM FOR CERTAIN THAT NO ONE HAS DIED FROM A VIRUS IN THE COVID-19 SICKNESS. THE KOCH POSTULATES BECOME IRRELEVANT AS WELL ONCE YOU KNOW WHAT IS REALLY CAUSING THE SICKNESS. FEW KNOW WHAT IT REALLY IS.

THE TRUTH IS BEING HIDDEN BEHIND ALL OF THE NOISE AND CONFUSION

► They who attempt to obscure the truth from you cannot argue with Dr. Kaufman…. he has explained to us that viruses do not exist….they are in fact exosomes….but neither of those two are causing the CORONA sickness.

WHAT FEW UNDERSTAND, THE CORONA SICKNESS IN THE SERIOUS PHASE IS NOT BEING CAUSED BY A VIRUS. VIRUSES DO NOT EXIST. WHAT WE HAVE ARE EXOSOMES. YET NEITHER THEY ARE CAUSING THE CORONA SICKNESS

► So what is this Corona sickness anyways? It is not a virus in the modern science definition of the word causing the Covid-19 illness. Few realize what is causing the disease and few have looked behind the fake veil of the “virus” front to realize what it really is. IT IS NOT A VIRUS, we must repeat.

THE FAKE MODERN SCIENCE OF MONOMORPHISM EXPOSED

► There are those who push this fake modern science of monomorphism & then attempt to control the narrative and to prevent the true science of polymorphism from being revealed to the world. The truth brings them no profit. The BIG PHARMA industry profits from the lies of monomorphism as that way they can sell more drugs for various stages of the same root cause, while hiding the root cause of all neuro-systemic disease from public view…… this same root cause is now causing the Corona sickness….. The monomorphic definition of what is a virus hides the truth…Consider what these fakes who push modern science do as well to those who expose true history…they attempt to mock them or drown them out….. It is funny to see how the shills give themselves away, actually hilarious….. 🙂

► We cracked the Corona scam and few others if any have been able to explain it as we do…….the shills will ignore this and attempt to get your attention drawn to something else…look here, not there!!!! This is the technique they use…. it is funny, clear and in broad day light what they are doing….all who have eyes to see will realize this….

Yet the truth cannot be dis-proven as much as they try to ignore it or distract you from it:

►FOR THE FIRST TIME IN HISTORY, THE CORONA SICKNESS IS NOW FULLY EXPLAINED IN A WAY ALL CAN UNDERSTAND.

►FEW YET KNOW WHAT IT REALLY IS AND HOW TO TREAT IT. IT IS EXPLAINED ALL HERE:

https://off-guardian.org/2020/07/02/no-one-has-died-from-the-coronavirus-president-of-the-bulgarian-pathology-association/#comment-203305

► This information is unique and you will not find it anywhere else presented this way. The Corona sickness is not what they claim it is, nor can it be transmitted or acquired in the way they claim. It is not a virus under the modern definition of the term causing the Corona scam sickness and fake plandemic. Check it out!

► It is important for the world to know the truth and to see that now that we really know what thing is, the Koch postulates become irrelevant. All fear gone, as it is actually very easy to treat once you understand what it is!!

SEE THE LINK ABOVE, THE CORONA IS ONLY DANGEROUS IF YOU ALLOW IT TO BE AND ALLOW THEM TO HIDE THE TRUTH FROM YOU. BE FOOLED NO LONGER.

► THE CORONA SARS COVID-2 IS NOT WHAT THEY CLAIM IT IS.

► IT CAN BE TREATED EASILY.

► FEW SO FAR KNOW WHAT WE KNOW. FEW REALLY UNDERSTAND IT. DON´T MISS THE CHANCE TO BE ONE OF THE FEW TO KNOW THE FULL TRUTH.

Check out the post above!!

Source-X

Bubba
Bubba
Jul 11, 2020 6:02 AM

tommy, down the line, has a comprehensive list of material from competent, honest researchers.
For those who have some science training, search first of all the accepted definition of a “virus”.
It is hilarious!
It reminds me of the ramblings in physics, my domain.
Unless one considers both those and the virus definition to be of mystic origin, they are nonsensical and unprovable.
But if it’s mysticism, then they are both correct!
 
 

Mark Steele
Mark Steele
Jul 9, 2020 9:04 AM

Shocking how the 5G switch on is ignored as well as the the vast body of science showing the link between Oxidative stress and lowering the immune system. The virus cover up for the 5G Genocide agenda using contaminated vaccines. Far to many still watching to main stream to wake up.

Ian Glen Walker
Ian Glen Walker
Jul 8, 2020 2:15 PM

Just not true
 
It was first Isolated on the 12th of January 2020 in China, that is where and when we got the confirmed source RNA sequence that identified it.
 
This was from a lung biopsy of the first person recorded to die from it on the 9th of January 2020, the biopsy was taken within a short while of their death they knew it was coming so they prepped for it.
 
Autopsy of a level 3 Pathogen is dangerous and thus only taken in rare circumstances, that is why Covid 19 deaths are sealed casket and off to cremation.
 
During autopsy body fluids and particles are aerosolised and viral load is in the the Trillions of virid particles. So full precautions including separate air supply, air scrubbing and full decontamination are required. For an unknown novel virus, the poor autopsy doctor would have been in a space suit, triple gloved and they would not have been just sweating from the heat.
 
Even if you have had it before and developed immunity or had a working vaccine the viral load in an autopsy is so high it will overwhelm your defences.
 
China took the samples sent some off the WHO (standard practice) China then sequenced the RNA and confirmed with the WHO team and announced that they had isolated the virus.
https://www.who.int/csr/don/12-january-2020-novel-coronavirus-china/en/
 
It has since been re confirmed in Korea
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7045880/
 
It has been grown in vitro since as part of the search for cures and vaccines and basic level research.
 
https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/lab/grows-virus-cell-culture.html

Bubba
Bubba
Jul 11, 2020 4:57 AM

You are brain-dead!

Ian Glen Walker
Ian Glen Walker
Jul 11, 2020 4:00 PM
Reply to  Bubba

Hi all
 
In reply to Bubba
 
Koch’s postulate was made in 1890.
https://www.medicinenet.com/script/main/art.asp?articlekey=7105
 
Viruses were first mooted after Koch’s postulate in 1892; after Dmitri Ivanovsky proved the existence of infections that were smaller than the Bacteria of Koch’s postulate, using filtration methods, thus disproving part of the postulate. Peer Review eh.
 
Koch and his heirs have been trying to fix the postulates ever since.
 
In fact after Koch died in 1910.
 
Viruses were first identified in microscopes in 1926 by Thomas Milton Rivers.
 
And it was not until 1931 and Wendell Meredith Stanley’s invention of the electron microscope that we truly started to understand viruses. 
 
Here are some photographs of the virus you claim does not exist.
https://www.sciencealert.com/this-is-what-the-covid-19-virus-looks-like-under-electron-microscopes
 
Here is a story about the Mississippi Lawmakers who refused to wear masks and caught the virus you and they, thought does not exist.
https://edition.cnn.com/2020/07/10/us/mississippi-coronavirus-legislature-trnd/index.html
 
Here are some graves of the people you say are not dying…
https://www.9news.com.au/world/coronavirus-brazil-stops-publishing-death-toll-as-covid19-tears-across-latin-america/9abfcddb-39f1-45ed-8a67-53d32406900a
 
Stop saying viruses do not exist it makes you look a fool and people will keep laughing at you.
 
Kind Regards Ian
 
 

Stef
Stef
Jul 23, 2020 11:49 AM

You need to look up the impact factor of sciencealert.com be serious. Don’t just post things without checking the IF rating of the journal/website. You may end up feeling foolish if you don’t do due diligence. You might have also noticed that the site resembles a Hollywood rag mag with endless scrolling and a large amount of completely unscientific information. I mean no disrespect, just want to help blah blah never mind I’m sure you don’t care one wit. Nevertheless I mean well to all here on planet titanic

rick
rick
Jul 12, 2020 6:47 PM

Someone has been into the cool-aid…

Jerry
Jerry
Jul 6, 2020 6:08 PM

The limitations of Koch’s criteria are even more obvious when we consider viral diseases, which were not yet discovered when the postulates were formulated. Thomas Rivers, who has been called the ‘father of modern virology’, wrote:
 
‘‘It is unfortunate that so many workers blindly followed the rules, because Koch himself quickly realized that in certain instances all the conditions could not be met. . . . Thus, in regard to certain diseases, particularly those caused by viruses, the blind adherence to Koch’s postulates may act as a hindrance instead of an aid.’’
 
Many viruses do not cause illness in all infected individuals, a requirement of postulate #1. An example is poliovirus, which causes paralytic disease in about 1% of those infected. Further compromising postulate #1 is the fact that infection with the same virus may lead to markedly different diseases, while different viruses may cause the same disease. Postulates #2 and #3 cannot be fulfilled for viruses that do not replicate in cell culture, or for which a suitable animal model has not been identified.
 
https://www.virology.ws/2010/01/22/kochs-postulates-in-the-21st-century/

Ryan Matters
Ryan Matters
Jul 7, 2020 8:13 PM
Reply to  Jerry

Many viruses do not cause illness in all infected individuals, a requirement of postulate #1″
 
bye bye germ theory

Superbuggg
Superbuggg
Jul 8, 2020 3:45 PM
Reply to  Jerry

Unicorn poo! Does Koch’s first postulate not say that the same illness must be present in all the sickos from whom you extract the puss, and all must present the same symptoms? It’s not about those who test positive for the, ahem… ‘virus’ but are not visibly ill!- that’s sooo last millennium! Germ theory is the new Flat Earth!

clort76
clort76
Jul 6, 2020 11:50 AM

The author writes:
“done the simple steps required to demonstrate that SARS-CoV-2 conclusively meets even one – never mind all — of the third postulate’s constituent parts. Those parts are:
* isolation from a human patient’s cells of full-length novel-coronavirus DNA*”

Sars-Cov2 is an RNA virus. It contains no DNA. The failure of the author(s) to understand this most basic distinction proves they are incompetent to write on the subject.

Additionally, the failure of all prior commenters to notice the distinction proves the same with respect to themselves.

clort76
clort76
Jul 6, 2020 12:20 PM
Reply to  clort76

Perhaps an analogy or two can help make my case:
 
Would you take seriously a reporter who reviews a theatre performance while calling it a symphony?
 
Would you take seriously an environmental issues reporter who calls a Bird a Fish?
 
These would be obvious disqualifying errors, not mere ‘slip-ups’. To confuse and conflate RNA and DNA in the field of microbiology is the kind of error that proves complete incompetence to get the most basic concepts right.

guerry
guerry
Jul 7, 2020 3:54 AM
Reply to  clort76

Did you reply to your own comment? Now you got two incompetent comment on this article, congrats 🙂

And just in case you didn’t read it before (at the very bottom of the article):

*The virus contains RNA, which it injects into the nuclei of cells. There, the RNA is converted to DNA by reverse transcriptase enzymes.^
🙂

Guerry
Guerry
Jul 7, 2020 3:42 AM
Reply to  clort76

the author writes):
isolation from a human patient’s cells of full-length novel-coronavirus DNA*’

Did you see the mark * after DNA?
At the very bottom of the article,
(the author also writes):
‘*The virus contains RNA, which it injects into the nuclei of cells. There, the RNA is converted to DNA by reverse transcriptase enzymes.^’

Did you read it? You didn’t, did you?
The failure of your thinking that RNA can’t be converted to DNA, proves you are incompetent to comment on this subject 🙂

guerry
guerry
Jul 7, 2020 3:56 AM
Reply to  clort76

the author writes:
isolation from a human patient’s cells of full-length novel-coronavirus DNA*’

Did you see the mark * after DNA?
At the very bottom of the article,
(the author also writes):
‘*The virus contains RNA, which it injects into the nuclei of cells. There, the RNA is converted to DNA by reverse transcriptase enzymes.^’

Did you read it? You didn’t, did you?
The failure of your thinking that RNA can’t be converted to DNA, proves you are incompetent to comment on this subject 🙂

Bubba
Bubba
Jul 11, 2020 5:01 AM
Reply to  guerry

Keep it on, guerry!
Good stuff!

Valerie Keefe
Valerie Keefe
Jun 20, 2020 10:23 PM

While this is good reportage, it’s freaking hilarious to see Rosemary Frei accuse others of “Decision-based evidence-making” while arguing the female-assigned are at unique risk of violence and ignoring the evidence on the efficacy of transition medicine, especially hormone replacement, preferring anecdotes from those whom doctors are least-likely to deny same to.

Jon L Brown
Jon L Brown
Jun 23, 2020 5:05 AM
Reply to  Valerie Keefe

Valerie, do you agree with what she reported in this article? I think you are pointing out hypocrisy as an additional observation. Only wanting to confirm.
 
Jon

Valerie Keefe
Valerie Keefe
Jun 23, 2020 5:54 AM
Reply to  Jon L Brown

I think that would be a fair characterization, except that it’s indicative of bias which may colour her reportage in future incidents.

Jon L Brown
Jon L Brown
Jun 23, 2020 6:28 AM
Reply to  Valerie Keefe

Thanks Valerie. I’m not a scientist and wanted to be sure Her claim is accurate. Bias abounds, but if we work together to get to the truth we will be better as people. Thanks, Jon

Leo Angelovitzka
Leo Angelovitzka
Jun 29, 2020 6:10 AM
Reply to  Valerie Keefe

It’s freaking hilarious that you say there is any ‘effective transition medicine’ for a religion.
 
Also it’s insulting and unscientific to use the term ‘female assigned’. No one is assigned a sex. It is simply observed. When there is ambiguity, further testing is done.
 
There are only women and men, no intermediate sexes.
 
All of those who imagine they were ‘born into the wrong body’ prefer anecdotes to any science.
 
Also there is no such thing as using estrogen as a hormonal replacement in men. Men taking estrogen aren’t replacing anything but rather adding a potentially harmful hormone to their body’s existing balance and propagating the anecdote that men be changed into women.

Valerie Keefe
Valerie Keefe
Jun 29, 2020 10:55 AM

Just because you repeat the tautology while ignoring science on birth control medicine, poly-cystic ovarian syndrome, declines in depression rates on post-transition people to about 40% that of the general population, and Premenstrual DYSPHORIA Disorder doesn’t make you anything but a tautology-spouting adherent to a flawed hypothesis.
 
More androgens (in women), more depression:
 
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/oct/03/pill-linked-depression-doctors-hormonal-contraceptives
 
 
PS: Note how you skated-by the assault, domestic violence, and homicide bits of what I had to say, because that’s ideologically inconvenient to deal with.
 
PPS: We also have people who are clearly non-dyadic, who don’t have XX or XY Karyotypes or genital morphology that matches that of an archetypical penis or vagina (or testes, ovaries, uteri, vas deferens, etc). What part of bi-modal are you not-interested in understanding?

Pat Enery
Pat Enery
Jun 30, 2020 12:53 AM
Reply to  Valerie Keefe

& how often does that occur in nature? Hemaphrodites are rare. Genetic mistakes that do occur. Not enough to create other gender types.
 

Mister Bump
Mister Bump
Jul 4, 2020 10:24 PM
Reply to  Valerie Keefe

But there are only 2 sexes, regardless. Where as monotremes for example have 5 sex chromosomnes. Humans are sexually dymorphic. They have 2 and only 2. UIncluding intersexed people (xxy or xyy). More or less copies of a sex chromosome does not make a separate sex, just male or female.Thats all there is. At best any other gender percieved to exist is only intersexed.

Valerie Keefe
Valerie Keefe
Jul 5, 2020 4:55 AM
Reply to  Mister Bump

Mr. Bump:
 
There are both male-assigned and female-assigned people who have XXY Karyotypes. Different Catholic Bishops have, in attempting to maintain an oversimplified model, declared all people with Kleinfelter’s (XXY) to be male… and also all people with Kleinfelter’s to be female. This is ideology trumping both what we know about science and what we know about selection of mates. If we want to focus on karyotypes and gametes further, there is at least one case of a male-assigned person with XX chromosomes who still produced small gametes and, via a tear in ducting, managed to impregnate themselves.
 
Again, sapient species, does the vast majority of its reproducing voluntarily… I think your metric of sex is wrong.
 
I totally agree we’re sexually dimorphic, just that it’s a bi-MODAL system, not a binary one. The existence of trans men and trans women (as opposed to politicized attempts to turn feminism into a gender identity, ala Bill Nye’s “trigender pansexual woodsprite”) and their psychological response to different hormonal states, one that cis people of the same identified sex share, REINFORCES that dimorphism.
 
Why would we evolve cis gays and lesbians as a species and not evolve a means for them to reproduce?

Bubba
Bubba
Jul 11, 2020 5:09 AM
Reply to  Valerie Keefe

Valerie,
You are not copy-and-paste correctly, or the lexicon is too daunting for you and memory feeble.

Bubba
Bubba
Jul 11, 2020 5:06 AM
Reply to  Valerie Keefe

Valerie,
What is tautology?!
Break it down in what you have just scribbled above.

Bubba
Bubba
Jul 11, 2020 5:03 AM
Reply to  Valerie Keefe

Substance of the article, Valerie!
Not ad hominem warble vis-a-vis other matters!

Jens
Jens
Jun 16, 2020 4:12 PM

In this study they isolated SARS-CoV-2 from a patient in Hong Kong and could consistently replicate it in Syrian hamster.
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/32215622/

I wonder why they couldn´t replicate SARS-CoV-2 in this study in dogs, pics, chickens and ducks, but in ferrets and cats?
https://science.sciencemag.org/content/368/6494/1016

Looks dodgy to me. What do you think?

RyanL
RyanL
Jun 22, 2020 3:00 AM
Reply to  Jens

Both of these studies clearly show that the SARS-CoV-2 virus is the causative agent for disease. And your questions are good questions and I am sure there are many scientists trying to figure it out.

Bubba
Bubba
Jul 11, 2020 5:11 AM
Reply to  RyanL

Ryan,
“Clearly shows” and “trying to figure it out” don’t mesh.
You think?

northerntracey
northerntracey
Jun 28, 2020 7:49 PM
Reply to  Jens

Neither study isolated a virus. PCR is not an isolation technique.

CannotFoolMe
CannotFoolMe
Jul 7, 2020 11:18 PM
Reply to  northerntracey

BUT THEY DID NOT USE PCR IN THE SECOND STUDY. THEY USED THE ELISA METHOD DESCRIBED ABOVE!

this article states:
Antibodies against SARS-CoV-2 were detected in all ferrets by an enzyme-linked immunosorbent assay (ELISA) and a neutralization assay, although the antibody titers of the two ferrets that were euthanized on day 13 p.i. were notably lower than those of the ferrets euthanized on day 20 p.i. (Fig. 1, I to L).
https://science.sciencemag.org/content/368/6494/1016

Performing an ELISA involves at least one antibody with specificity for a particular antigen.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ELISA

The first article quoted clearly states that the Koch postulates were met:
Conclusions: Besides satisfying the Koch’s postulates, this readily available hamster model is an important tool for studying transmission, pathogenesis, treatment, and vaccination against SARS-CoV-2.
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/32215622/

Admin2
Admin
Admin2
Jul 8, 2020 12:59 AM
Reply to  CannotFoolMe

It must be pointed out that the debate settles around what defines isolating a virus, and what doesn’t. Many papers are claiming to have isolated it, whereas it is argued by some that they haven’t.
 
Also, with regards the hamster paper, which is the only one I’ve looked at, it should be noted – for the sake of perspective – that none of the hamsters died or suffered permanent injury.
 

At 14dpi, only mild pulmonary congestion and inflammatory infiltration were still detectable (Figure4C). The air exchange structures were remodelled and restored to normal.

 
Given some of the scary, scary papers and opinions circulating around, this is a pretty important thing to remember, I think.
A2

CannotFoolMe
CannotFoolMe
Jul 8, 2020 1:09 AM
Reply to  Admin2

True, we need to know if the novel coronavirus has or has not not fufilled Koch’s postulates. So the work of Andy Kaufman is really relevant. What it at stake is what is a virus really? At the time such Koch postulates were formed, there was no such notion of viruses. Kaufman does a nice job to define them… my next comment takes this in consideration as Andy explains MYCROZYMA, MYCOPLASMA, also known as protids or somatids.
 
The hamsters did not die or suffer permanent injury, apparently, as the test was to prove transmissibility of the virus, which was proven, and not cause them death. (So was an antidote treatment given to them…apparently so… [Please double check the paper, I think you’ll find no ‘antidote’ was given. They were infected and dissected at the latest 14 days later – Ed]
 
So in order to determine if a virus was isolated in such tests, one needs to see the work of Mr. Kaufman and see my second post as well, to understand what Andy and I are referring to….. these micro-organisms indeed act as viruses and carry all the viral RNA code.
 
Thankyou.

CannotFoolMe
CannotFoolMe
Jul 8, 2020 1:25 AM
Reply to  CannotFoolMe

See these videos and info:
 

 
There Is No Virus – The Rooster in the River of Rats – Patrick Herbert
 
https://patrickherbert.org/2020/06/28/there-is-no-virus-the-rooster-in-the-river-of-rats/

CannotFoolMe
CannotFoolMe
Jul 8, 2020 3:05 AM
Reply to  CannotFoolMe

Ok, maybe they were euthanized before the virus could cause a more serious damage? Or are you saying the virus did not do serious damage to them? Certainly it would affect animals in a different way than humans and this would be expected. But the test does seem to prove the disease is transmitted….the articles show also that by using ELISA which involves at least one antibody with specificity for a particular antigen, that indeed antibodies for Covid-19 were detected and antigens were being developed to react to the disease…. Now whether the sequence is coming from the SARS 2, from the mycoplasma or from a combination of things is the question. Thanks.
 

Bubba
Bubba
Jul 11, 2020 5:12 AM
Reply to  CannotFoolMe

cannotfoolme,
Antibody to what?
That is the question that you and the valeries are overlooking!

Robbobbobin
Robbobbobin
Jun 14, 2020 3:10 PM

“Scientists Have Utterly Failed to Prove that the Coronavirus Fulfills Koch’s Postulates […] About 150 years ago, scientists painstakingly constructed a set of principles that can prove whether a particular microbe is the cause of a specific disease or is just a bystander. Those three principles are known as the Koch postulates. […] The principles have been altered almost beyond recognition by various researchers over the ensuing 130 years. But the changes concomitantly watered down the postulates.”

Tell me, were those postulates hewn into tablets of stone or inscribed on plates of gold?

Bubba
Bubba
Jul 11, 2020 5:16 AM
Reply to  Robbobbobin

robogobblin,
 
It has to do with logic.
So, foreign stuff to you…

Arby
Arby
Jun 13, 2020 11:47 PM

“What’s missing is even one reference to back up those assertions.” It’s hard to miss something else. The authors there refer to the researchers own admission that they are ‘not’ using Koch’s postulates, even though they sort of try to trick us into thinking that Rivers’s postulates are still Koch’s postulates. As Dr Kaufman (whose video “The Rooster In The River Of Rats” goes through all of this) explains, Rivers watered down Koch’s postulates in order to make it easier to find (claim to have found) viruses.

CannotFoolMe
CannotFoolMe
Jul 7, 2020 11:47 PM
Reply to  Arby

I saw that Kaufman video last night and he sounds convincing. However, one needs to consider that:
 

  1. The Koch postulates needed updating. They were not written for viruses as those had not been detected at the time.
  2. The Koch postulates needed a general updating and that is why the Rivers postulates were generated. However, Rivers indeed omitted at least one key element needed to prove the existence of the virus.

 
Kaufman demonstrates how the virus is identified via a filter. But mycoplasma infections act as viruses and are smaller than viruses. So they would pass through the filters and the RNA inside the mycoplasma would be picked up on a antigen test.(The PCR tests may pick-up the Corona sequences but with much error).. Doctors are not performing urine antigen tests or other such mycoplasma detection tests on Covid patients for the most part and this is the huge elephant in the room. The PCR tests only detect the RNA sequences but are blind to see where it comes from. Antigen tests detect mycoplasma type antigens. This is what is causing the Covid-19 advanced stage disease,not a new virus. Per the work of Judy Mikovitz, it would take 800 years for a new virus to develop in nature. So a new virus by natural causes is impossible. It must have been genetically engineered. But the serious cases and fatalities are not from the so called new SARS Covid-2 virus, but from the mycoplasma infections. This is why Azithromycin together with hydroxychroloquine and zinc work. The first kills the mycoplasma bacteria and the later two stop the viral reproduction which leads to the serious cases.
 
The key to cure the “Corona” sickness is to use a combination of anti-virals which treat malaria and anti-biotics with intra-cellular penetraton. (It is possible in some cases there are plasmoid parasites inside the mycoplasma and in this case intravenous artesunate is used. Other medicines which treat the plasmoids are Plasmocin and Plasmoare.) To treat the “Coronavirus”, doctors can prescribe Hydroxychloroquine and Azithromycin together with the Zinc sulfate. The three should be administered together.
 
THE KEY LINKS WHICH EXPLAIN THE MILITARIZED VERSIONS OF THE MYCOPLASMA
 
►Here are the links that explain the militarized versions of the mycoplasma and also the research published by a few teams of scientific researchers who had their articles peer reviewed. Their articles confirm this information above.
 
►Several strains of mycoplasma have been “engineered” in military laboratories to become more dangerous. They are now being blamed for AIDS, cancer, CFS, MS, CJD and other neuro-systemic diseases & now the “Corona-virus”!!
 
Here are the links to the research:
 

  1. PDF link explaining the militarized mycoplasma:

 
https://powerhournation.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/11/MYCOPLASMA-The-Linking-Pathogen-in-Neurosystemic-Diseases.pdf
 
► This link above explains it all. It is not only a parallel mycoplasma infection as the article below suggests, but the bio-terrorism generated mycoplasma is what is being detected in the PCR tests, not such Covid-2 viruses only! In reality Covid-2 is a type of distraction because the bio-terrorism generated version of mycoplasm is being detected by the PCR tests and not the Corona virus.
 
2. DOCUMENT – RESEARCH BY SCIENTISTS WHO SUBMITTED A PEER REVIEWED ARTICLE ONLINE NOW IN JUNE OF 2020 AND WHICH EXPLAINS THE PARALLEL MYCOPLASMA INFECTION CAUSING THE CORONA SICKNESS:
 
https://www.scirp.org/journal/paperinformation.aspx?paperid=100307
 
► This information above is critical to be submitted to the medical community and for all to be made aware of. We know of two natural medicines – Quinine and Artemisia, both used to treat malaria patients as well as multiple pharmaceutical medicines created to treat malaria which eliminate the mycoplasma infection and end the Covid-19 disease when used in the correct proportion and combination.
So check-out the links. They confirm all we have been giving you recently.
Here is an additional link:
 
The Covid-19 Corona-virus: A co-infection in conjunction with the mycoplasma together with other bacterias may be connected to the progression of the sickness to the state of death?
 
https://www.researchgate.net/publication/341194418_COVID-19_Coronavirus_Is_Infection_Along_with_Mycoplasma_or_other_Bacteria_Linked_to_Progression_to_a_Lethal_Outcome
 
(Download the PDF version and check it out).
 
►The drugs which are anti-malarial should be thus focused on. These medications should be administered in the beginning stages of the disease before it progresses as using them in advanced states reduces the effectiveness.
 
►The Corona-virus comes mixed with different pathonogenic agents including the mycoplasma:
 
https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/pdf/10.1002/jmv.25740

Arby
Arby
Jul 8, 2020 12:40 PM
Reply to  CannotFoolMe

Thanks. There’s lots to dig into there. I don’t have a lot of free time right now, unfortunately. But this is here and I will bookmark it on my bookmarks toolbar.
 
It’s going to be very hard for anyone, now, to convince me that nature is my enemy. True, self-modified people – who now believe in deceit, violence and inequality and follow a ‘riches for the strongest’ philosophy – are not exactly natural. And some of those ones are quite smart. There’s no denying the advances in technology, including in the area of small things. (Look at the chemicals causing problems. Bayer just got nailed, but not stopped. I agree with Jon Rappoport that viruses and the whole health care industry around viruses are a convenient cover for the problem of manmade chemicals [which probably explains swine flu], which are a problem mainly because those who create, use and sell them don’t care about our health. I am not sure that all manmade chemicals are destructive. But I am sure that nature is not the problem.) I don’t believe that all scientists in on the covid 19 pandemic hoax believe that there’s a covid 19 virus. I wouldn’t be surprised if I was not alone in saying/thinking “prove it.” The difference between myself and those scientists is that I have not sold my soul for possible, temporary gain.

CannotFoolMe
CannotFoolMe
Jul 8, 2020 3:52 PM
Reply to  Arby

You are welcome. Yes, and that is just the tip of the iceberg. I have a 30-40 page article I created on this topic. I posted only some of the key info. We are discussing here the Kochs postulates and what I have to share below is all about this. It is all inter-related and indeed a complex subject. But we need to understand the related issues in order to tie it all together. Whether you accept those Kochs postulates or not depends on your views of micro-biology, as noted below. This is important to determine if a new virus exists, if enough monoclonal antibodies are present and such issues. The issues are thus all inter-connected.
 
In order to see the connections, here it goes:
 
Kauffman has touched on the subject of “MYCROZYMA”, also known as protides or somatids, in his video I cited, noted again below. (The second and youtube video link): This is important to understand in the context of the Kochs postulates as these were developed by those who did not have the same modern concepts of science from today. See this video if or when you have time:
 

 
(Please see my post below from Jul 8, 2020 1:46 AM where I posted this video link and the second link which refers over to another Dr. Kauffman video).
 
This video also explains:
 
“Mycrozyma” also known as “protides” or “somatids” – – same as mycoplasm?
 



 
According to “Mycrozyma Theory” of PJA Béchamp, “mycrozyma” is spread all over the universe, including earth. They cannot be destroyed, even under hostile environmental conditions…. “mycrozyma” can remain in sleeping mode (inactive) for thousands of years together and would get activated when suitable environmental conditions occur..
 
Continued next post…..

CannotFoolMe
CannotFoolMe
Jul 8, 2020 3:58 PM
Reply to  CannotFoolMe

Continued from my previous post….
 
► Notice also that mycoplasma go into a dormant mode and are activated under conditions of immunity stress. They can live without oxygen and can be crystallized so they can thus be weaponized and introduced in the body via airplane aerosols, via nano-bots and nano-tubes of the type being developed by Charles Lieber (see the material of AIM and Americans for Innovation for details).
 
► This article establishes also the connection between mycoplasma – “microzymas” and neuro-sistemic diseases, if one considers they are actually one and the same: (It is important to understand this so we can determine what is causing the Corona disease and also so we can determine how to apply such Koch postulates). This article connects to the other article I posted on how mycoplasma is behind all neuro-systemic diseases, if microzymas and mycoplasma are in fact related: This would determine if the Koch postulates are even capable of determining what is behind the disease and how to use these postulates to determine what it really is: (We need complete good science, not the lousy science all are using to declare a global pandemic.So until this subject I am posting is understood, the errors will go on…..in my view….).
 
Continued next post…..
 
 

CannotFoolMe
CannotFoolMe
Jul 8, 2020 4:07 PM
Reply to  CannotFoolMe

….Continued from my previous post……
 
“Cancer And Most Diseases Are Caused By BACTERIA
 
Bechamp’s Microzymas & Human Disease”
 
By Alan Cantwell, M.D.
 
3-17-17
 
https://rense.com/general96/bechamps.htm
 
THE IDEAS THAT GO AGAINST GERM THEORY
 

► Bechamp did not have the benefit of the electron microscope at the time. Could it be that what he observed were in fact mycoplasms or the basic structures that build them? Could it be that “microzyma” and mycoplasmas are somehow related or even the same? If so, all seem to be missing something here……Could it be that they can develop into larger bacteria as suggested by Bechamp and those who believed in pleomorphism? As noted in the article:

 
The transformation of “microzymas” into bacteria – why this is important in the entire context of the coronavirus, the Koch postulates, monoclonal anti-bodies and whether a virus even exists. What is actually causing the disease? All of these subjects are inter-related!!!
 
Bechamp made a tremendous scientific discovery. Under certain conditions (and by a process known as “vibrionen evolution”) he observed microzymas transform into bacteria!
 
Continued next post…..
 

CannotFoolMe
CannotFoolMe
Jul 8, 2020 4:15 PM
Reply to  CannotFoolMe

Continued from the previous post…
 
(The Youtube video I posted above on microzymas also explains this subject). Per the article:
 
► After many laboratory experiments and microscopic examinations of these granules, the physician-scientist claimed that microzymas were capable of developing into common living organisms that go by the name of bacteria. Some of these intermediate bacterial stages were regarded by experts as different species, but to Bechamp they were all related and derived from “microzymas.”
 
HOW DOES ALL OF THIS RELATE TO KOCH, THE SUBJECT OF THIS ARTICLE? 
 
It all relates because Koch was against such ideas and believed in monomorphism (as do most modern scientists): (So as a result, his Koch postulates and especially those of Pasteur may be thus entirely flawed. Not even to mention that at the time, there was no concept of viruses. And now scientists in general believe in germ theory but if Bechamp was correct, Germ theory goes out the window!!) This seems to agree with what Kauffman is saying as well.
 
Microzymas and bacterial pleomorphism
 
Robert Koch, a legendary figure in microbiology for his discovery in the late nineteenth century of acid-fast bacteria as the cause of tuberculosis (TB), (note how many neuro-systemic diseases which doctors have trouble treating are all being caused by mycoplasma, including AIDS, CANCER and maybe even TB, per the link I posted before) was rigid in his belief that a specific germ had only one form (monomorphism). And he opposed all research showing some germs had more than one form (pleomorphism) and complex “life cycles.” Thus, from the very beginning of bacteriology there was conflict between the monomorphists and the pleomorphists, with the former totally overruling the latter and dominating microbiology to this day.
 
► What I am getting at, if you read the reference links I posted above, is that science today actually holds on to rigid views that actually may be quite wrong in terms of Koch postulates, germ theory, what is causing the Corona sickness and much more. For this reason, it is important to understand that few are considering the militarized mycoplasma element in the Corona sickness. As Dr Stoian Alexov has explained, covered here……:
 
https://off-guardian.org/2020/07/02/no-one-has-died-from-the-coronavirus-president-of-the-bulgarian-pathology-association/
 
SO ALL OF THIS INFORMATION I AM POSTING IS RELATED TO THIS ARTICLE AND TO THE OTHER OFF-GUARDIAN ARTICLE!
 
THE missing sufficient number of IgG Covid-2 specific monoclonal antibodies and how this relates to the Kochs postulates
 
►…. The current Corona tests are not detecting enough Covid-2 specific monoclonal IgG antibodies to determine the existence of Covid-2, per Dr Stoian Alexov, as noted in the above article. So thus, this would be another reason why the Koch postulates, even if true, cannot be met under such conditions.
 
► They are detecting antibodies yes, but these are of two types – general IgM and more specific IgG Corona-related antibodies. But apparently those IgG do not establish a new strain of the virus and may be only flu antibodies, a result of a previous strain. Dr Stoian Alexov has explained this, as noted in the other article. In order to prove that a new strain exists, a sufficient number of Corona-2 specific antibodies IgG would need to be present in the various types of Corona serology tests being performed, which apparently is not the case. So thus neither a new virus can be proven nor can the Koch postulates be fulfilled and thus the entire science around Covid-2 is flawed and a disaster, a failure. Much time is needed to understand all of this. So please see this article below also when you have time:
 
► Once we inscribe these ideas in stone, we can together change the course of history and set the facts straight!
 
Thank you!
 

Arby
Arby
Jul 8, 2020 8:46 PM
Reply to  CannotFoolMe

If today’s scientists actually had a sound reason for jettisoning Koch’s common sense approach to proving that there is a microorganism that causes a specific disease, they would have provided it, because there are powerful special interests who are in charge of their health care system who don’t like Koch’s postulates. It’s a ‘gold’ standard for a reason. If they were to jettison that, people would notice the scam that Rockefeller health ‘care’ is.
 
People, as ruined as they are, can still see, when they care to look closely, that something’s up. I’ve always said that ‘how’ you sell something tells us something about ‘what’ you’re selling: For example:
 
https://www.bitchute.com/video/VpDpVtoZhgrc/

CannotFoolMe
CannotFoolMe
Jul 8, 2020 9:04 PM
Reply to  Arby

They do not have a reason because they are protecting the big pharma industry, owned by the Black Nobility Banking Cartel, the Neo-Nazi Pharanonic blood-line families, the Rockefeller health care system which belongs to the 13 main families which control banking. The powerful special interests who are in charge of their health care system like Koch postulates or don´t like them? The same ones pushing the fake science behind SARS Cov-2, fake history, fake space programs, fake religion, fake politics, fake elections, fake news,faulty educational system and everything else fake, And yes, I saw this video you posted before…nice to see someone post it again. Dr. Cowan as well does a nice job and I have promoted this video as well 🙂

Arby
Arby
Jul 8, 2020 11:03 PM
Reply to  CannotFoolMe

Acknowledged.

CannotFoolMe
CannotFoolMe
Jul 8, 2020 10:32 PM
Reply to  Arby

The Youtube video which I meant to post above on microzymas, but now see was not posted, can be found here: (This video is key).
 
Pleomorphism in Human Body -Mystical Science Pt6 



 
► Notice how stabilizing the P.H. levels of the body are key to controlling the mycoplasma in the body. The mycoplasm mutates to bacteria which then mutates to form viruses, the video above suggests. A later state is mutations to parasitic form. This would explain why broad sprectrum anti-biotics attack the Corona virus as those which are anti-malaria attack the parasite forms…the hydroxychloroquine and zinc will attack the viral mutation. The drugs which attack like or flees are also effective to attack the plasmoid state. Anti-malarial drugs are effective as well. By eliminating the mycoplasma, one can eliminate cancer, AIDS, Corona virus, cystic fibrosis and many other neural-systemic diseases.  
► There Is No Virus – The Rooster in the River of Rats – Patrick Herbert 
https://patrickherbert.org/2020/06/28/there-is-no-virus-the-rooster-in-the-river-of-rats/
 
The video referenced:
 



 
► Jeff G. — Viral Misconceptions – Presentation on The True Nature of Viruses – Germ theory down the drain. Viruses original inside the cells? So the result is exoxomes? So if a virus only exists inside a cell, what happens when you pass them through a filter? If the cells and larger bacteria are filtered out, what is left if not the smaller 40 nM mycoplasma agents? (Corona viruses are 500 nm inside cells and 100 nM outside cells, much larger than mycoplasma).
► So which of these will go through the filter and be identified as the cause of the Corona disease? Only the mycoplasma? See the video: 



 
 
IN SUMMARY
 
In summary what we have is a common cold flu, the Coronavirus making people sick but not leading to the serious cases. This combined with the militarized mycoplasma versions is what is leading to the more serious cases. So the combinations of drugs which attack both the common cold flue type Coronavirus combined with drugs whcih display intra-cellular activity will be most effective to treat this mycoplasma. It is similar to the Legionnaires disease or mycoplasma Legionella. (Azithromycin is very effective as it operates under a broad spectrum range and will deal nicely with the infection). Keep in mind also Artemisinin can be used in the protozoan phase of the mutation of the mycoplasma.
 
See this video Artemisinin VS corona virus. WE WIN!!
 



 
► The extract artemisinin from artemisia annua that has the toxic liver chemical Thijione removed can be taken higher doses that regular art. Art and ferritin iron have an affinity for each other. So most pathogens including cancer are big iron stealers. So if a pathogen soaks up iron alone w art the art has a peroxide group if grown in greater China area
This peroxide introduced to the pathogen sling w iron causes an oxidizing effect turning the pathogen or bad cells into free radicals. Then the macrophages haul away the free radicals and destroy them in the liver.
 
Please let me know when you have reviewed the info I have posted, and your comments on this. If others would like to join in the technical side of the discussion, this will be appreciated as well.
 
 
 

CannotFoolMe
CannotFoolMe
Jul 8, 2020 10:37 PM
Reply to  CannotFoolMe

Correction to my text above:
 
The drugs which attack lice or flees….. a few items like this to correct…did not see an edit button for my comment above….
 

Arby
Arby
Jul 8, 2020 11:08 PM
Reply to  CannotFoolMe

Yes, that edit button is a wee bit hidden. But I’m so happy that it’s there. This is truly a great resource. Kudos to OG!

Arby
Arby
Jul 8, 2020 11:07 PM
Reply to  CannotFoolMe

When I come across the word “mutate,” I automatically assume that I am not going to agree totally with what follows. Darwinian (functional) evolutionary theory promoted the idea that mutations are drivers of biological evolution. I don’t buy it at all. Are there mutations? It wouldn’t surprise me. ‘We’ are assaulting nature. But mutations in fruit flies have been observed to fade away. That is, for those insects that could survive the mutation and reproduce, the mutation eventually faded. God’s creation asserted itself.

CannotFoolMe
CannotFoolMe
Jul 9, 2020 12:34 AM
Reply to  Arby

While “mutate” can have a Darwinian suggestion, it does not mean I am advocating evolution in that sense. It is a fact of nature but does not mean one species can become another. It is just adjustments which God programmed into species to allow them to become more suited to their environment, my friend.
 
Hope that helps explain.

Arby
Arby
Jul 9, 2020 12:36 PM
Reply to  CannotFoolMe

Acknowledged.

CannotFoolMe
CannotFoolMe
Jul 9, 2020 5:05 PM
Reply to  Arby

Ok!

Bubba
Bubba
Jul 11, 2020 5:52 AM
Reply to  CannotFoolMe

Kaufman is a psychiatrist,not biologist, even though he has an undergraduate degree in that.
No hands-on experience.
But he has the common sense to pay heed to Stefan Lanka.

CannotFoolMe
CannotFoolMe
Jul 11, 2020 12:59 PM
Reply to  Bubba

Kaufman explains nicely the exosome model based upón the polymorphic nature of the militarized mycoplasma disease infection of the cells which is causing this so called pandemic. It is not a Corona pandemic nor should it be characterized this way. It is a bio-weapons generated mycoplasma infection pandemic. It was created for profit, so the Rothschild – Warburg – Rockefeller – Queen – Black Nobility – Nazi Swiss Octogon banking cartel can rake in trilions from their contaminated vaccines which will spread the sickness even more. All vaccines are contaminated with the mycoplasma. See the videos and work of Judy Mikovitz to understand this. Yet even Judy does not understand that viruses do not exist. What she isolated was not an AIDS virus but rather exosomes which are manifestations of the mycoplasma infections, the root cause of all neuro-systemic diseases. So SARS Corona-1, 2, 3, 4 or whatever are not viruses. Viruses do not exist. What exist are cells infected with the militarized mycoplasma, infected via The Invisible Rainbow process as described in the famous bookd by Arthur Firstenberg. So 5G combined with the nanobot, nanotube dispersed bio-weapon mycoplasma versions are what cause AIDS, cancer, cystic fibrosis and other neuro-systemic diseases which doctors have a hard time to treat as they do not know, for the most part, about these militarized versions of mycoplasma. (97 % of doctors do not know about them). There are some 7 or so militarized versions. The Spanish Flu was actually caused by the vaccines. The same with AIDS, cancer and now Corona Covid-19. This is because they contain the infected mycoplasma which carries the RNA or DNA genetic code for whatever disease they wish to produce. They can either disperse it directly via DNA code or reverse transcript it into the cells using the nanobots activated by 4G or 5G. The nanobots burrow the mycoplasma carrying the RNA or the DNA into the cells. Once this is done, the spark of the disease is initiated. It progresses in a polymorphic disease progression through various stages. It ultimately manifests, in the current RNA sequence, as what they call Covid19. But it is not a virus and it was never a virus. Germs and bacteria etc do not transmit the disease. Viruses do not exist nor do they transmit any disease. Bacteria are reactions of your body to fight off the intracellular mycoplasa infections. All germs are manifestations of the cell illness. It all begins in the cell. The various sicknesses all go through polymorphic stages and most can be treated by treating the mycoplasma infection of the cells and body.

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CannotFoolMe
CannotFoolMe
Jul 8, 2020 1:46 AM
Reply to  Arby

In order for people to understand the context, I will post the relevant videos here:
 
There Is No Virus – The Rooster in the River of Rats – Patrick Herbert
 
https://patrickherbert.org/2020/06/28/there-is-no-virus-the-rooster-in-the-river-of-rats/
 
 

 
So my previous reply to Arby will be understood within the context of these videos which establish the revelancy to this discussion and all of the related issues. It will be important for all to see my previous reply for this reason.
 
Thank you.

Arby
Arby
Jun 13, 2020 11:36 PM

“The principles have been altered almost beyond recognition by various researchers over the ensuing 130 years. But the changes concomitantly watered down the postulates. That’s why they’re still used today by most researchers seeking to robustly prove or disprove the existence of a pathogen and its exclusive relationship with a particular disease.”
 
That was very contradictory. Scientists now want a emasculated set of postulates because they are trying to robustly prove or disprove the existence of a pathogen?

richard cuthbert
richard cuthbert
Jun 29, 2020 7:19 PM
Reply to  Arby

i have to agree with ARBY…not i think what was wont to be said.

Rosemary Frei
Rosemary Frei
Jul 8, 2020 5:17 PM
Reply to  Arby

It was a bit awkwardly written, although it becomes clear if one thinks about it for a second or two: the original Koch’s postulates are still being used because the changes watered them down.

A leaf
A leaf
Jun 13, 2020 5:43 PM

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Dungroanin
Dungroanin
Jun 13, 2020 8:19 PM
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Tommy
Tommy
Jun 13, 2020 10:55 AM

“It is simply no longer possible to believe much of the clinical research that is published, or to rely on the judgment of trusted physicians or authoritative medical guidelines. I take no pleasure in this conclusion, which I reached slowly and reluctantly over my two decades as editor of The New England Journal of Medicine” (1).
 
More recently, Richard Horton, editor of The Lancet, wrote that “The case against science is straightforward: much of the scientific literature, perhaps half, may simply be untrue. Afflicted by studies with small sample sizes, tiny effects, invalid exploratory analyses, and flagrant conflicts of interest, together with an obsession for pursuing fashionable trends of dubious importance, science has taken a turn towards darkness” (2).
 
Source: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4572812/?fbclid=IwAR1jNHjkrE-WXjg7CBHtRdSIQ5QS9z69mHrtnik3rZhhI1L7EkxNy4rXPKw
 
and furthermore:
 
“The medical profession is being bought by the pharmaceutical industry, not only in terms of the practice of medicine, but also in terms of teaching and research. The academic institutions of this country are allowing themselves to be the paid agents of the pharmaceutical industry. I think it’s disgraceful” Dr Relman former chief editor for the New England Journal of Medicine.
 
References in no particular order:
 
GVP #156 – David Parker & Dawn Lester: Viruses, and What REALLY Makes Us Ill 
 
Source:


 
It’s not the virus STUPID,What really makes you ill?Do virus cause disease? Kaufman,Lester, Parker
 
Source:


 
The Deception of Virology & Vaccines — Why Coronavirus Is Not Contagious – Jeff G.
 
Source: https://www.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/fcjwrg/the_deception_of_virology_vaccines_why/
 
Jeff G. — Viral Misconceptions – Presentation on The True Nature of Viruses – Jeff G.
 
 Source:


 
The Veiled History of Polio and How it Relates to Current Vaccination – Jeff G. 
 
Source: https://www.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/c14hg5/the_veiled_history_of_polio_and_how_it_relates_to/ 
 
Dismantling the virus theory
 
The “measles virus” as an example
 
Why should we doubt the existence of viruses? What are viruses and what are they not? How are viruses being scientifically demonstrated to exist?
 
Source: https://wissenschafftplus.de/uploads/article/Dismantling-the-Virus-Theory.pdf
 
Is short-term exposure to ambient fine particles associated with measles incidence in China? A multi-city study.
 
Source: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/28388516
 
The Corona Virus-Fake – Dr Stefan Lanka (Part 1)
 
Source: https://bittube.tv/post/c8d34e22-3223-46a5-bcd2-300d68d8f41d?fbclid=IwAR2f21NEGJljiogL6lKE_eDsgAJZK9joWLdBkK7VlJMktqoh8dCtqrw6cxI
 
Dr. Stefan Lanka: The history of the infection theory. (English transcript)
 
Source: https://abruptearthchanges.com/2017/11/17/dr-stefan-lanka-the-history-of-the-infection-theory/
 
No Panic – Dr. Stephan Lanka on Bird Flu, AIDS and the Corruption of Medicine
 
Source: https://web.archive.org/web/20060421221846/http://www.gnn.tv/A02138
 
OLG Stuttgart judgment of 16.2.2016, 12 U 63/15
 
Award: Willingness to become legally binding in the event of a negative award; Interpretation of a competition regarding the detection of the measles virus
 
Source: https://lrbw.juris.de/cgi-bin/laender_rechtsprechung/document.py?Gericht=bw&GerichtAuswahl=Oberlandesgerichte&Art=en&sid=46bf3db2df690aba6e4874acafaf45b6&nr=20705&pos=0&anz=1
 
Louis Pasteur Vs Antoine Béchamp and The Germ Theory of Disease Causation – 1
 
Source: http://www.medicinacomplementar.com.br/biblioteca/pdfs/Biomolecular/mb-0464.pdf?fbclid=IwAR3-zKRmSW_-HHJsXN0oc8-vE52DYCG-Z4TQpl3ER5AYvONRHME4C0SeS_I
 
Béchamp’s Politically Incorrect Science, Part I
 
Source: http://arizonaenergy.org/BodyEnergy/B%e9champ%2592s%20Politically%20Incorrect%20Science.htm?fbclid=IwAR24AUQOk_dRWpk4H-tXKghyDCbFQr4Qy1xxz3kKd7UrkHQ3sFW0oSrLZYs 
 
The Fallacious Germ Theory
 
Source: https://joedubs.com/the-fallacious-germ-theory/
 
Biochemistry Debunks Corona – (Mirrored)
 
Source: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lpo_bh-DIYU&t=1034s
 
THE MEDICAL ESTABLISHMENT VS. THE TRUTH
 
By Kary Mullis
 
Source: https://www.virusmyth.com/aids/hiv/kmdancing.htm
 
Exposing the Myth of the GERM THEORY
 
Source: http://www.homoeopathytraining.co.uk/docs%20main/downloads/Exposing%20the%20Myth%20of%20the%20GERM%20THEORY.pdf?fbclid=IwAR1yPhCz9dYhtVcKRloztiXk8JecNHp5w6Xv8e0-7-ObkS-AzCGk5AOudWg
 
Debunking The Louis Pasteur Monomorphism Germ Theory With Scientific Live Cell Observation – Stem Cells – NY Times; Shape Shifting Bacteria – Antoine Bechamp Discovers Toxic Terrain Theory Of Pleomorphism, Detoxification, Cell Regeneration, Confirmed Via Cytology And Microbiology
 
Source: https://www.agreenroadjournal.com/2019/05/debunking-louis-pasteur-monomorphism.html?fbclid=IwAR2qOCOQvUzRWw8IUb2XLW3-Bb52AqaE1xuMoLQG0srq9gk7nteDV1aLVMk
 
The Scientific Undoing of Germ Theory
 
Source: http://208.106.235.179/blog/index.php/all-natural-organic-whole-live-foods/the-scientific-undoing-of-germ-theory/
 
Human body may produce bacteria
 
Source: https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0306987716309082?via%3Dihub
 
How the Corruption of Science Leads to the Collapse of Modern Civilization
 
Source: https://prn.fm/corruption-science-leads-collapse-modern-civilization/
 
This Is The Sickening Amount Pharmaceutical Companies Pay Top Journal Editors
 
Source: https://www.sciencealert.com/how-much-top-journal-editors-get-paid-by-big-pharma-corrupt
 
Death by Medicine
 
Source: http://www.relfe.com/wp/politics/health-statistics-doctors-kill-1000000-people-each-year-in-the-u-s-alone/
 
Peer review: a flawed process at the heart of science and journals
 
Source: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1420798/
 
Why Most Published Research Findings Are False
 
Source: https://journals.plos.org/plosmedicine/article?id=10.1371/journal.pmed.0020124
 
The Corruption of Evidence Based Medicine — Killing for Profit
 
Source: https://medium.com/@drjasonfung/the-corruption-of-evidence-based-medicine-killing-for-profit-41f2812b8704
 
Payments by US pharmaceutical and medical device manufacturers to US medical journal editors: retrospective observational study
 
Source: https://www.bmj.com/content/359/bmj.j4619
 
The Rockefeller-Carnegie Big Pharma Scam
 
Source: http://www.blissfulvisions.com/articles/Rockefeller-Carnegie-Big-Pharma-Scam.html
 
Offline: What is medicine’s 5 sigma?
 
Source: https://www.thelancet.com/pdfs/journals/lancet/PIIS0140-6736%2815%2960696-1.pdf
 
Brussels – European Parliament – Dec 08, 2003 PROBLEMS WITH ISOLATING HIV Etienne de Harven, MD.
 
Source: https://www.robertogiraldo.com/reference/ProblemsWithIsolatingHIV_2003.pdf
 
The Great Influenza Pandemic: What Really Happened in 1918?
 
Source: https://scientiaricerca.com/srprrc/SRPRRC-01-00011.php
 
EXPERIMENTS TO DETERMINE MODE
OF SPREAD OF INFLUENZA
 
Source: https://sci-hub.tw/10.1001/jama.1919.02610310005002
 
Salicylates and Pandemic Influenza Mortality, 1918–1919 Pharmacology, Pathology, and Historic Evidence
 
Source: https://academic.oup.com/cid/article/49/9/1405/301441?fbclid=IwAR294j-k6x2m2x5faoHZI60ZrrSpFMjXrwac7lyd6SYOb_NAbH5A1r6sfHo
 
THE POISONED NEEDLE – Suppressed Facts About Vaccination – By Eleanor McBea 1957
 
Source: https://thegnmsolution.com/the-poisoned-needle/
 
Dr. Andrew Moulden’s Tolerance Lost: Part 1 of 3 – “The Problem”
 
Source:


 
Reply to Bennett: There is no Gold Standard ‘HIV’ Genome
 
Source: https://www.bmj.com/rapid-response/2011/10/30/reply-bennett-there-no-gold-standard-hiv-genome?fbclid=IwAR2xYzzNKZfZRYlnBT5xpQKKOo-GsWQc-nbXMcTilLPQm8KGqJ6fvCizT-c
 
Stop Giving People Toxic Drugs: HIV Does Not Cause AIDS
 
Source: https://www.bmj.com/rapid-response/2011/10/28/stop-giving-people-toxic-drugs-hiv-does-not-cause-aids
 
Books:
What Really Makes You Ill?: Why Everything You Thought You Knew About Disease Is Wrong – by David Parker (Author), Dawn Lester (Author)
Source: https://www.amazon.sg/What-Really-Makes-You-Ill/dp/1673104037
 
Good-Bye Germ Theory: ending a century of medical fraud – by Dr. William P Trebing (Author)
 
Source: https://www.amazon.co.uk/Good-Bye-Germ-Theory-century-medical/dp/1413454402
The Blood and Its Third Element – by Antoine Bechamp (Author), David Major (Editor)
 
Source: https://www.amazon.co.uk/Blood-Its-Third-Element/dp/1541159357/ref=sr_1_1?dchild=1&keywords=antoine+bechamp&qid=1589706312&s=books&sr=1-1
 
The Invisible Rainbow: A History of Electricity and Life – by Arthur Firstenberg (Author)
 
Source: https://www.amazon.sg/Invisible-Rainbow-History-Electricity-Life/dp/1645020096/ref=pd_aw_sbs_14_5/358-4480574-1290861?_encoding=UTF8&pd_rd_i=1645020096&pd_rd_r=4cbaaa56-354b-4704-9633-c379a842fc26&pd_rd_w=eZCFe&pd_rd_wg=flPH2&pf_rd_p=acc09a67-013c-4af1-809b-e5b90d3fe60f&pf_rd_r=A0NHV7RY4A612FR50NJH&psc=1&refRID=A0NHV7RY4A612FR50NJH
 
Virus Mania: How the Medical Industry Continually Invents Epidemics, Making Billion-dollar Profits at Our Expense – by by Torsten Engelbrecht (Author), Claus Kohnlein (Contributor)
 
Source: https://www.amazon.sg/Invisible-Rainbow-History-Electricity-Life/dp/1645020096/ref=pd_aw_sbs_14_5/358-4480574-1290861?_encoding=UTF8&pd_rd_i=1645020096&pd_rd_r=4cbaaa56-354b-4704-9633-c379a842fc26&pd_rd_w=eZCFe&pd_rd_wg=flPH2&pf_rd_p=acc09a67-013c-4af1-809b-e5b90d3fe60f&pf_rd_r=A0NHV7RY4A612FR50NJH&psc=1&refRID=A0NHV7RY4A612FR50NJH 
 
PDF version: https://www.biohealthworksinstitute.com/uploads/1/8/2/5/18255309/virus-mania_pdf.pdf
 
Bechamp or Pasteur? – by by Ethel D Hume (Author)
 
Source: https://www.amazon.sg/Bechamp-Pasteur-Ethel-D-Hume/dp/0980297605/ref=pd_aw_sbs_14_4/358-4480574-1290861?_encoding=UTF8&pd_rd_i=0980297605&pd_rd_r=4cbaaa56-354b-4704-9633-c379a842fc26&pd_rd_w=eZCFe&pd_rd_wg=flPH2&pf_rd_p=acc09a67-013c-4af1-809b-e5b90d3fe60f&pf_rd_r=A0NHV7RY4A612FR50NJH&psc=1&refRID=A0NHV7RY4A612FR50NJH
 
 

WorldParole
WorldParole
Jun 13, 2020 3:34 PM
Reply to  Tommy

Excellent! Thank you greatly!!

Arby
Arby
Jun 13, 2020 11:58 PM
Reply to  WorldParole

I’ll have to bookmark this and comb through it. Germ Theory is not, I must point out, a myth. A theory is a theory. It may refer to unicorns, but the theory itself is just a theory.

WorldParole
WorldParole
Jun 16, 2020 12:22 AM
Reply to  Arby

Phrenology was once a theory, too. 😉

Leo Angelovitzka
Leo Angelovitzka
Jun 29, 2020 6:27 AM
Reply to  Tommy

That’s very interesting about the lack of science in science. Reminds me of when I was an English teacher in Japan and part of my job was to vet the English used by doctors and scientists in their papers which were due for public presentation outside of Japan.
 
It was very hard for me to explain to them that their use of English wasn’t the only problem. Their theses were simply lacking in logic. Even I as a non-scientist could tell that they were producing unscientific works.
 
Also reminds me of a section in Michael Crichton’s book Travels in which he explains how peer reviewing actually works: not scientifically.

Tommy
Tommy
Jun 13, 2020 10:55 AM

Germ Theory: The Lynchpin Holding the Entire Hoax Together
 
There’s no such thing as a contagious “virus.” Unbelievable? Shocking? Yes, it is. Here are quotations from doctors, authors and experts that refute Louis Pasteur’s fraudulent “germ theory.” This is the lynchpin issue that holds this entire planned-demic together. When you disprove the theory that so-called viruses can be transmitted through the air from one person to another, the entire house of cards falls to the ground:
 
“The entire fabric of the germ theory of disease rests upon assumptions which not only have not been proved, but which are incapable of proof, and many of them can be proved to be the reverse of truth. The basic one of the unproven assumptions, wholly due to Pasteur, is the hypothesis that all the so-called infections and contagious disorders are caused by germs.” — M.L. Leverson, M.D.
 
“… Viruses are simply the excretions of a toxic cell. Viruses are pieces of DNA or RNA, with a few other proteins. They butt out from the cell. They happen when the cell is poisoned. They are not the cause of anything.” — Dr. Thomas Cowan, M.D., commenting on Rudolf Steiner’s insights
 
“We said before that so-called ‘germs’ are ubiquitous. They are ever present, in many varying forms in both healthy and sick people. These microbes kick into what modern scientists call ‘pathogens,’ when the media is toxic and conducive to clean up. When you enter into a healing crisis, and your body is throwing off toxins, these ‘germs’ appear out of your very substance, to help eliminate, process and break down these toxins. Germs have absolutely no causal relationship to disease. But germs do appear to help you clean out, because put quite simply, your disease is your cure!” — Dr. William P. Trebing, author of “Good-Bye Germ Theory,” page 154
 
“If the Germ Theory were true, no one would be alive to believe it.” — B.J. Palmer, D.C.
 
“Three criteria are, according to the scientific method needed to properly identify a virus. It must be isolated from a host cell. As of 2016 this has never been accomplished in humans. It must be photographed and it’s diameter measured. As of 2016 this has never been accomplished in humans. It must be biochemically characterized. As of 2016 this has never been accomplished in humans. This has never been done with any virus (herpes, hepatitis, h1n1, bird flu, swine flu, influenza, polio, measles) let alone HIV, HPV, SARS, Zika or Ebola.” — Viruses. How Much is that Dogma in the Window?, New Medicine Online
 
“We agree with those members of the profession who hold that no germ causes tuberculosis. Germs do not cause any disease. Further, we agree that there is more harm in the fear of germs than there is in the germs themselves.” — Simon Louis Katzoff, M.D., author of Timely Truths on Human Health, 1921
 
“Germs seek their natural habitat: diseased tissue, rather than being the cause of diseased tissue.” Rudolf Virchow
 
“The general public have been told that we do not become ill except when germs penetrate into from without. The germ theory of disease is ridiculous.” — E. Douglas Hume, author of Bechamp or Pasteur, A Lost Chapter in the History of Biology
“Medical doctors are working on the germ theory of disease… But the germ theory is already weakening and is due for being thrown aside. Dr. Fraser of Canada and Dr. Powell of California have experimented with billions of germs of all varieties, but they have been unable to produce a single disease by the introduction of germs into human subjects. Dr. Waite tried for years to prove the germ theory, but he could not do so. During the World War an experiment was conducted at Gallop’s Island Massachusetts, in which millions of influenza germs were injected into over one hundred men at the Government hospital, and no one got the flu. Germs are scavengers.” — Principles and Practice of Naturopathy, E.W. Cordingley, M.D., N.D., A.M.
 
“You’re working under a wrong premise to begin with and you’re never going to find the answer if you do that. Viruses have no nucleus. There’s no respiratory system. There’s no circulatory system. There’s no digestive system. Viruses are not alive. That’s like saying soap is alive. They’re not alive. They are solvents. They are soaps. However, more accurately, they are enzymes to fractionate tissue for waste elimination.” — Aajonus Vonderplanitz
 
“We must infer that at least some and probably all three of those Russian peasants died because of Pasteur’s vaccine, as did uncounted people later on… Only one thing is sure: ever since Pasteur developed his “vaccine,” the cases of death from rabies have increased, not diminished.” — Hans Ruesch, animal rights activist and pioneer of the anti-vivisection movement
 
“Had it not been for the mass selling of vaccines, Pasteur’s germ theory of disease would have collapsed into obscurity.” — E. Douglas Hume, author of Bechamp or Pasteur, A Lost Chapter in the History of Biology
 
“The culprit however, is not the microbe. It is the level of toxicity you have in your own blood stream.” — Good-Bye Germ Theory, Dr. William P. Trebing, 2006
 
“We must look rationally at the bacterial issue. Consider the fact that many tribes ate primarily unsalted raw meat, unsalted raw fats and/or unsalted raw dairy products from the beginning. They did not wash their hands or sterilize their food before eating. Every form of natural bacteria, including salmonella, E. coli and campylobacter were eaten with their food abundantly and constantly. Why were they vibrant, healthy and disease free if microbes are the culprits?” — Aajonus Vonderplanitz, The Recipe for Living Without Disease
 
Source: https://dogperday.com/coronavirus-pandemic-biggest-lie-in-human-history/?fbclid=IwAR1BNsDNX3J2E8ahFKjt8z9fGWCuzOhsgQsbfrMxm3ooqj3NL6DME20jmoU
 
“There will be, in the next generation or so, a pharmacological method of making people love their servitude, and producing dictatorship without tears, so to speak, producing a kind of painless concentration camp for entire societies, so that people will in fact have their liberties taken away from them, but will rather enjoy it, because they will be distracted from any desire to rebel by propaganda or brainwashing, or brainwashing enhanced by pharmacological methods. And this seems to be the final revolution”
― Aldous Huxley 
 

LeRuscino
LeRuscino
Jun 13, 2020 12:13 PM
Reply to  Tommy

Thank God a voice in the wilderness !

Tommy
Tommy
Jun 13, 2020 1:45 PM
Reply to  LeRuscino

I’m here. 🙂

Richard Son
Richard Son
Jun 13, 2020 1:40 PM
Reply to  Tommy

Turns out that Huxley’s prediction was slightly rosy. “The people” don’t apppear to be enjoying it very much but are simply resigned to their slavery because they’re too afraid to live or to die.

AliasM
AliasM
Jun 13, 2020 7:14 PM
Reply to  Richard Son

“Fun fact”, Aldouses brother, Julian (internationalist), was the first director of UNESCO.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Julian_Huxley

Arby
Arby
Jun 13, 2020 11:59 PM
Reply to  AliasM

Never examine your heroes, unless you’re prepared to be disappointed.

AliasM
AliasM
Jun 14, 2020 12:25 AM
Reply to  Arby

O, I’ve no problem with that.
Besides, personality cults and those in favour of them, make me itch.

P Kegs
P Kegs
Jun 12, 2020 4:44 PM

My understanding is reverse transcriptase occurs with retroviruses but not RNA viruses, is this wrong?

RyanL
RyanL
Jun 22, 2020 3:04 AM
Reply to  P Kegs

That is entirely correct, the SARS-CoV-2 virus, like many other RNA viruses use an RNA-dependent RNA polymerase to copy its genome and make all of the mRNA transcripts for its proteins.
 

RyanL
RyanL
Jun 22, 2020 3:05 AM
Reply to  RyanL

Sorry. I meant to write “That is entirely correct”

Admin2
Admin
Admin2
Jun 22, 2020 3:12 AM
Reply to  RyanL

Edited for you. You can edit your comments for approx 15 minutes after you submit. A2

Richard Son
Richard Son
Jun 12, 2020 12:22 AM

Can we take the government to court over this? The lockdown measures are a crime against humanity, based on scientific fraud. Today I saw one of the yellow rags celebrating that BoJo has “allowed” old people to hug…. We cannot let this continue.

Germs Bond
Germs Bond
Jun 12, 2020 7:33 PM
Reply to  Richard Son

Probably in theory but our legal system is as bent as Westminster.

Pearly Q
Pearly Q
Jun 13, 2020 9:31 AM
Reply to  Richard Son

The Government IS being taken to Court over this! The Coronavirus Act 2020 is Null and Void as Koch’s Postulates have not been followed!
 
Please support the new legal action against the lockdown, social distancing, testing etc. in the UK that will lead to the failure of lockdowns, social distancing, testing and coronavirus vaccine policy around the world. The fight back starts here! https://click.pstmrk.it/2sm/www.crowdjustice.com%2Fcase%2Fthe-coronavirus-act-2020%2F/iwKdMQg/UnpD/peaXLgm8or/Y2FzZV9hcHByb3ZlZA

T Brites
T Brites
Jun 11, 2020 8:16 PM

Why waste time trying to prove something exists if almost the ENTIRE Herd of Morons believe it exists?!

LeRuscino
LeRuscino
Jun 11, 2020 8:24 AM

On average “allegedly” a virus is 1,000 Angstroms in size (a millionth of a mm) & an atom is 0.2 of an Angstrom meaning a virus is (c) 5000 Atoms.
 
There are (c) 204 Billion atoms in a single strand of DNA.
 
There are (c) 100 Trillion atoms in a human cell
 
When Luis Pasteur claimed the existence of viruses the electron microscope had not been invented.
 
Luis Pasteur’s private diaries where he wrote down everything (warts & all) were given by an ancestor to a US Museum in 1990’s because this family member no longer wanted to live with the fraud that had made the family so much money. Pasteur created an imaginary monster – how he injected dogs brains with puss to make them mad (rabies) is documented & can be found.
 
To date no virus has ever been photographed – everything thing you have seen are artists impressions.
 
Photographing a virus is physically impossible. Viruses are too small and can’t be prepared for the electron microscope. In order to photograph something in an electron microscope you must isolate it first, then dry it out and eliminate all moisture by applying a high vacuum. Then you cover the object is a thin layer of metal. The heat can be over 160°C. If you can’t see the object that you are intending to photograph, then this process is impossible. You can only photograph the surface of a relatively large object using an electron microscope. Thus, all the photographs that have been published of viruses are all frauds.
 
Yet Big Pharma Keep lying & the BILLIONS rolling in ?

Dungroanin
Dungroanin
Jun 11, 2020 9:14 AM
Reply to  LeRuscino

Black holes and Neutron stars are bigger than a hair some are calculated to be about 20 miles in diameter –

Seen any photos of them?

The Higgs Boson is the biggest boson – it apparently exists for a very short time – ever

Seen a photo of one?

The double helix of DNA was not ‘seen’ or photographed when it was discovered.

The Corona virus has 30,000 ‘letters only’

Do you only believe photographs???

Did you ever do chemistry or physics or trigonometry or anything that didn’t require the proof of your own eyes of a photo???

Dave
Dave
Jun 11, 2020 9:37 AM
Reply to  Dungroanin

Lol

Dungroanin
Dungroanin
Jun 11, 2020 10:29 AM
Reply to  Dave

Don’t know what that random link to is – be nice if you could put information about it or a link to its information.

LeRuscino
LeRuscino
Jun 11, 2020 9:46 AM
Reply to  Dungroanin

In essence you have accepted that no photo of a virus exists – Thanks! You got point 1.

Dungroanin
Dungroanin
Jun 11, 2020 9:53 AM
Reply to  LeRuscino

In essence – I don’t need to see a photo of oxygen to know I need to breathe it to live – do you?

LeRuscino
LeRuscino
Jun 11, 2020 11:00 AM
Reply to  Dungroanin

OK so the photos are fake because nobody can isolate a virus (Ref Luc Montagnier & read his exact words on HIV for which he got a Nobel Prize).
 
Let’s assume these mythicals exist & have life remembering that a Human cell has (c) 100 Trillion Atoms & a Virus only (c) 5,000 Atoms.
 
Now can you show a believable video of a dog & human with rabies?

Dungroanin
Dungroanin
Jun 13, 2020 10:13 AM
Reply to  LeRuscino

I’d like you to state you will have unprotected sex or blood transfusion with or from someone who tests positive with HIV.

Would you do that?

LeRuscino
LeRuscino
Jun 13, 2020 12:10 PM
Reply to  Dungroanin

Consider https://www.newstarget.com/2019-11-13-fda-admits-vaccines-may-spread-more-disease.html
 
Then consider https://www.historyofvaccines.org/content/blog/vaccine-development-spanish-flu
 
If you look deeper you will see that the Spanish Flu was a mass vaccination before science was ready.
 
Ask yourself is it plausible that of the very 1st cases of HIV that 3 out 5 people survived & then when they went on the 1st wave treatments they died like flies until today when you have a gigantic cash cow for Big Pharma?
 
My background is Molecular Science using non-cryogenics to separate atoms & molecules VIP in Oil & Gas. During the lockdown I thought to apply my science to the so called “Medical Science” & something does not add up on Viruses……….The deeper you look the smellier the rat becomes! I respect your opinion but if there was no money in it then would viruses exist ?
 
5,000 Atoms is not life ! I can’t get past this….
 
Think – They are planning to Mass Vaccinate us all ! Be concerned!!

Dungroanin
Dungroanin
Jun 14, 2020 12:42 AM
Reply to  LeRuscino

30,ooo ‘letters’ in this virus genome – I’ll venture that consists of a lot more than 5,000 atoms – don’t you think your molecular science Knowledge is a tad inadequate?

LeRuscino
LeRuscino
Jun 14, 2020 6:23 AM
Reply to  Dungroanin

Then Viruses would be bigger – can’t have it both ways !
 
This is what should concern you when the mass vaccinations start?
 
http://news.mit.edu/2019/storing-vaccine-history-skin-1218

RyanL
RyanL
Jun 22, 2020 3:13 AM
Reply to  LeRuscino

First, SARS-CoV-2 is 170nm (1700 A) in diameter. Second, that’s just a diameter. So you have to cube it. That is ~2.6 billion cubic Angstroms which is certainly large enough to fit a billion atoms, not just 5000 like you claimed.

LeRuscino
LeRuscino
Jun 13, 2020 12:15 PM
Reply to  Dungroanin

Read the comment from “Tommy” above – We need to know these things before we are all hung !

42.Answer
42.Answer
Jul 8, 2020 8:15 AM
Reply to  Dungroanin

Yes I would, but only if I fancy them. Sex-wise. Blood transfusion has to be my type too though…;-)

rachel
rachel
Jun 11, 2020 11:06 PM
Reply to  Dungroanin

if you eat the wild soon u will be x vaxx cult. thxs.

Objective
Objective
Jun 11, 2020 11:02 AM
Reply to  LeRuscino
LeRuscino
LeRuscino
Jun 11, 2020 12:21 PM
Reply to  Objective

Thanks, the size shown of 0.5um = 5,000 Atoms exactly as per my calculation.
 
The “theory” is that this is not a living organism because no known arrangement of that few atoms can be alive but is actually a fragment of dead RNA or DNA.
 
This is not proof in anyway they 5000 Atoms are a living mobile invasive virus. It has never to date been shown.
 
Representations such as below are pure fantasy! Colour does not exist in Electron Photos.
 
https://external-content.duckduckgo.com/iu/?u=https%3A%2F%2Ftse1.mm.bing.net%2Fth%3Fid%3DOIP.13Y4g4AeLjP9FvmYiCktNQHaDf%26pid%3DApi&f=1

LeRuscino
LeRuscino
Jun 11, 2020 1:36 PM
Reply to  Objective

Nanobes are bigger than 5000 Atoms but nobody can agree they meet the definition of “Life”
 
life līf

  • n.The property or quality that distinguishes living organisms from dead organisms and inanimate matter, manifested in functions such as metabolism, growth, reproduction, and response to stimuli or adaptation to the environment originating from within the organism.
  • n.The characteristic state or condition of a living organism.

 

Linda
Linda
Jun 13, 2020 2:22 AM
Reply to  LeRuscino

Never seen so much BS for a long time. There are numerous photos of Viruses, indeed, these were among the reasons why the electron microscope was developed. By “artists impressions” you may mean false colouring of the black and white images gained from EM, necessary to show the different areas more clearly. From 1939, images have been taken by EM of Viruses, the first one being of tobacco mosaic virus. Viruses have been discovered and typed using EM over the last 80 years. Norovirus was discovered by EM use, so was Ebola, in Zaire, in 1976. But it is nonsense to say that if you cannot see the object, then you cannot photograph it! That’s the whole point of EM – to photograph the extremely tiny, using electrons that have a far greater resolving power than visible light. I think people spreading rubbish like this should be prosecuted.

LeRuscino
LeRuscino
Jun 13, 2020 8:22 AM
Reply to  Linda

Nobody has ever isolated a live virus – FACT – Please refute with science
 
5,000 Atoms have never shown life – FACT – Please refute with science
 
Luis Pasteur diaries show he was a fake – FACT
 
So what are these images EM claim to show & why do people get sick – It’s a reasonable question ? YOU CAN PHOTOGRPAH EM – Don’t get so upset.
 
DO YOU KNOW THAT HARD EVIDENCE SHOWS THAT THE SO-CALLED SPANISH FLU WAS THE 1ST MASS VACCINATION ROLL OUT! Started in Kansas BTW not Spain. There was a mass cover up & they used the name “Spain” to throw people off the track.

LeRuscino
LeRuscino
Jul 5, 2020 12:55 PM
Reply to  Mister Bump

Can’t be both – Why the fakery?comment image

Arby
Arby
Jun 14, 2020 12:02 AM
Reply to  LeRuscino

As with prehistoric ape-men.

RyanL
RyanL
Jun 22, 2020 2:53 AM
Reply to  LeRuscino

Completely false. I worked on x-ray crystal structures of icosahedral viruses 28 years ago. Electron microscopy preserves biological samples ALL THE TIME. The tobacco mosaic virus is an RNA virus shaped like a rod and is a classic model of biological self-assembly. It was used as an internal length standard for EM images.

Delta Gee
Delta Gee
Jun 11, 2020 5:22 AM

Absolutely on the mark and 100% correct. I do not want to steal you thunder but this is a fact that should be obvious to any Infectious Disease Specialist. So why is it not discussed or being pointed out. Basic Microbiology. Anyone with a Bachelor’s Degree in Microbiology knows this fact. Its a major question on all the exams for the first year students.
 
I love this quote and those who want to maintain their sanity need to repeat it every day like a Mantra.
 
You can fool almost everyone all the time, but you can never fool reality.

BDBinc
BDBinc
Jun 11, 2020 3:38 AM

No deaths from a totally fake ” new” disease called COVID.
 

R Anand
R Anand
Jun 11, 2020 3:21 AM

I have been wondering about what the medics/media means when they talk about asymptomatic people (those who were ‘tested positive’ for sars-cov-2.

If a body is not producing any symptoms that, to my mind, means there is no problem in the body. So, when a rt-pcr test tells a asymptomatic person that you have ‘sars-cov-2’ virus it is a lie. There is no mystery of how that person is ‘infected’ with a ‘virus’ but not showing any symptoms.

It simply confirms that the test is detecting not a ‘killer virus’ but one of any harmless exosome.

Dungroanin
Dungroanin
Jun 11, 2020 9:56 AM
Reply to  R Anand

You may not show any symptoms of a STD after having sex but it doesn’t mean you won’t infect your husband or wife with that STD.

Understand now?

R Gajra
R Gajra
Jun 11, 2020 3:59 PM
Reply to  Dungroanin

If you don’t have symptoms but a test kit is telling you that you have a STD bacteria/organism/’virus’ then the test kit would most likely be lying.
 
If the test kit is also telling your wife/partner that he/she has the same organism and if he/she shows symptoms of the disease associated with that organism then it is likely that the symptoms are due to some other known/unknown toxins/disease and not due to that particular organism.
 
The tests are as good as useless.

Dungroanin
Dungroanin
Jun 14, 2020 12:45 AM
Reply to  R Gajra

You need to at least talk to an STD doctor if not actually get tested if you have been labouring under that understanding. Soon.

R Gajra
R Gajra
Jun 14, 2020 4:25 AM
Reply to  Dungroanin

You brought up the STD example. Onus is on you to share your understanding after speaking to your STD doctor.

In case you seek better understanding of viruses, diseases, toxins, this is one of several good places to start –> https://harvoa-med.blogspot.com/2019/04/measlesbrklyn.html

Rahul G
Rahul G
Jun 12, 2020 7:42 AM
Reply to  R Anand

Nice to find there are quite a few people who are as baffled by the ‘tests’ mania as I am. Around the first week of April I wrote emails to several scientists at the Indian Council of Medical Research and to bureaucrats in India’s Ministry of Health to ask, what will the tests you have ordered look for and how? But by then the wagon was rolling. The media was already producing scary graphs and the ministry was producing “daily dashboards”. The words ‘PCR’, ‘antibody’, ‘antigen’ were flying around with no-one the wiser as to what did any of it mean when a test produced ‘positive’. Was ‘positive’ good (I am healthy and resistant) or was ‘negative’ good (I show no sign of an infection and am healthy)? No-one cared to answer. The media in India – completely unchecked by the administration, I should emphasise – rolled from one scare-mongering day to the next: “new spike in cases!!” “more cases than Italy!!” “millions now at risk!!” For older folk like me, the decision needed had nothing to do with covid, it had to do with how to survive the epidemic of stupidity.

R Anand
R Anand
Jun 12, 2020 12:23 PM
Reply to  Rahul G

Yes, Rahul. I agree with you on the the sheer nonsensical and tragic manner in which the the ‘virus’ tests are being carried by India’s health ministry, its prime minister’s office and the other authorities in the states.
 
Am glad that you actually wrote to ICMR and sought a response. I have been wanting to do the same but haven’t yet except share the perspectives from here in Off-G and other places to people & mediapersons in India through the social media.
 
Lets hope more Indians join in the effort. The insanity and the panic levels among educated but unthinking elite-middleclass Indians must come down sooner rather than later.

Dungroanin
Dungroanin
Jun 10, 2020 8:07 PM

Such obstinacy and enough braying flat earther types ready to keep shilling gobbledygook so read real science and understand – before you start lining up for the magical thinking purveyed here.


The Evolution of Koch’s Postulates
Jonathan Cohen, in Infectious Diseases (Fourth Edition), 2017

Conclusions – and a Note of Caution

Koch’s postulates were invaluable at the time they were developed and remain largely valid for a relatively small number of defined circumstances in which bacteria can be precisely tied to the cause of a particular clinical syndrome. But in a world in which viruses cause cancer and noncultivable bacteria can be demonstrated by molecular probes, Koch’s postulates are no longer fit for purpose. What is more, used uncritically they have the potential to mislead.16 Their main purpose now is to provide a framework to ensure that scientific rigor is applied when proposing an organism as the cause of a disease – exactly as Koch intended when he first conceived them.“

https://www.sciencedirect.com/topics/medicine-and-dentistry/kochs-postulates

rachel
rachel
Jun 10, 2020 11:12 PM
Reply to  Dungroanin

wtf? you didnt manage to say pseudoscience in your rant.

Dungroanin
Dungroanin
Jun 11, 2020 9:17 AM
Reply to  rachel

It’s a quote.

You’d realise that if you bothered to look before gibbing off, dimbo.

deninbtnb
deninbtnb
Jun 11, 2020 10:35 AM
Reply to  Dungroanin

Just rude.

ThereisaGod
ThereisaGod
Jun 11, 2020 2:17 AM
Reply to  Dungroanin

Bullsh*t.
 
The PCR test (apart from being ridiculously unreliable, as the 40+ page CDC document on the test admits) does NOT identify a virus. It identifies configurations of RNA, some of which are selected as “identifiers” and then ATTRIBUTED to an imaginary entity that establishment “experts” call a virus … that no doctor can demonstrates actually exists.
 
The same holds true for any “viral” illness, as ‘German New Medicine’ has been declaring for decades.
 
The biomedical “germ” model of disease is founded on a fraud, as at least one biographer has claimed its inventor, Louis Pasteur, admitted on his deathbed.Pasteur admitted that his great rival in the field, Bechamp, had been right and he was wrong.
 
A century ago particular bacteria, labelled as the “germs” that cause cholera, were isolated from a cholera patient and multiplied in a Petrie dish. The Doctor concerned (and his assistant) swallowed a large quantity of this bacteria and DID NOT GET CHOLERA. This powerful demonstration was ignored by the medical establishment.
The truth is that THE HUMAN BODY, genius that it is, produced the ‘guilty’ bacteria to fight whatever toxins that had entered the body that produced the dreadful symptoms The bacteria were the body’s own cure and not the cause of the illness.
 
The motive for installing this false model is easy to guess.
 
Money and power rule, as always,.The interests of big finance, who fund the dominating institutions, come first. They wanted a model of illness that put them in the driving seat. The control of persons is a very big deal to the ultra-wealthy. So is money. When people got ill they wanted the standard practice to be that their experts treated human bodies as war zones requiring mobile armies (Big Pharma drugs) to enter the fray, do battle and win the day on behalf of the paying customer. The Flexner Report of 1910 set the stage for the installation of the ‘external-invader’ doctrines with which everybody is now familiar.
 
The invention of “virus” theory was required to prevent society supposing that electro-magnetic waves (actually, NEW or UNFAMILIAR EM Frequencies) could pose a threat to the very lives of the public at large. EM Flus at times of high sunspot activity had been known about for centuries (since the 1600s). Such a supposition would have been VERY BAD for business. If people thought E/M radiation might kill them, the 20th Century would never have happened the way it did. After the Spanish Flu that killed millions (and experiments demonstrated was not person-to-person contagious) many scientists and famous thinkers (like Rudolf Steiner) of the day pointed the finger at the global roll-out of radio antennae that took place at the time as being the cause of the pandemic. Given the recent traumas of WW1 and the intensive vaccination of millions at the time, it was probably but one of the causes of ‘Spanish Flu’.
The virus story, with its sickness, adjustment then “safety” until and new version of the virus came along EXACTLY mirrored the bodies reaction to a new EM frequency, which disturbed the bodies electrical nervous system, made the person [or, rather some but bot all persons] ill then the patient was immune to this frequency and was OK until some new frequency came along.
We have all (including the medical profession, brainwashed by their similarly brainwashed teachers) been staggeringly conned. here’s what German New Medicine holds as a foundational principle:
 
“In the reality of the body and of its mechanisms,
there is no place for hypothetical malignant pro-
cesses. All biological processes, including those that
can end in suffering, pain and death, are originally
meant to be useful.” (Dr. Stefan Lanka)
 
In other words, God got it right.
 
 
P.S. The word “influenza” comes from Italian. The originating phrase for the word was something like “Influenza delle stelle” (influence of the stars). Thinkers realised that these severe and ridiculously contagious (appearing in different countries or even different continents at the same time) respiratory problems occurred at times of maximum sunspot activity.
We now know what the sun emanates during the geomagnetic storms and CORONAL ejections that take place in the turbulent regions around sunspots. Excess U-V, X-rays and Magnetic waves (plus particles that tend to cause spectacular Aurora Borealis displays near the poles.
 
Millions today blame the symptoms of Coronavirus on 5G (taboo to say so on the mainstream media, of course). They want it investigated thoroughly. It has been, we know that … but the public are forbidden from seeing the results (Barrie Trower talks about all this). We are also forbidden from knowing when transmission of 5G begins in our neighborhoods. We are forbidden from knowing the frequencies and intensities of transmission. We have also not been told what the huge plethora of satellites recently launched in low-level orbit, will be beaming down at us It’s all 5G related, that’s all we know (I think).
Does this not appear that this must be an essential part of the global architecture of the matrix intended to monitor and eventually hold us all in servitude to … umm … the gang of thieves currently pretending to care ever-so-deeply about our good health..
 
 
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Dungroanin
Dungroanin
Jun 11, 2020 9:58 AM
Reply to  ThereisaGod

You probably refuse to wash your hands after wiping your arse too I bet.

ThereisaGod
ThereisaGod
Jun 11, 2020 10:38 AM
Reply to  Dungroanin

The kind of reply I was expecting from a dirty little moron.

ariel
ariel
Jun 11, 2020 11:15 AM
Reply to  ThereisaGod

Your summation was excellent, BUT DON’T FEED THE TROLLS. It just encourages them. The ENTIRE ALLOPATHIC SYSTEM is based on a) Rockefeller ‘medicine’ petrochem based drugs and social control, b) fallacies about the alleged ‘immune system’ which is a measurement of how in touch and IN LOVE with the life force, NOT the life FARCE you are.
We are not in Kansas any more, Toto. We NEVER WERE.

ThereisaGod
ThereisaGod
Jun 11, 2020 1:38 PM
Reply to  ariel

Thanks for that. Like the last line.

Dungroanin
Dungroanin
Jun 13, 2020 10:19 AM
Reply to  ThereisaGod

So you’d be happy to have unprotected sex and blood transfusion from HIV positive persons would you???

That really would be moronic.

It may even be dirty or downright filthy if you do it right!
🤣🤣

Dungroanin
Dungroanin
Jun 14, 2020 12:47 AM
Reply to  ThereisaGod

I should have prefaced it with Bull Shit!

Riccotelaly
Riccotelaly
Jun 11, 2020 3:13 PM
Reply to  Dungroanin

Why are you angry – it is the classic response by the believers. I won’t get into the weeds as I admit I don’t know – but my expertise is in law. Those who choose to diminish, insult and censor are those with no case. That is a truism in law – avoid the details at all costs. When the heads of Oxford, Stanford, literally thousands of professionals whose assessment is this is a nasty virus but fully within the CDC’s seasonal range are censored and removed from social media, not invited to talk on MSM – then I know what I am seeing. We saw it WMD’s – bail outs in 2008 – “the sky will fall unless…. fill in the blanks”. All major indicators of a fraud. Don’t need to be a doctor to see that. When government doctors are called “authorities” – whereas those with CV’s a mile long and 30 years in the filed are dangerous. But this is worse – many Covid19 deaths are a result of the fraud – this is now a murderous fraud. Mission creep – flatten curve – becomes wait for cure – WMD’;s became spreading democracy. Beliveing MSM is a disease – that is epidemic – the Russiagate, WMD, Bay of Tonkin, Assad gasses his own people, Putin did it etc… that media has no credibility as it crossed the line and willing perpetrated lies resulting in deaths. The lockdown deaths are mounting. Trouble is the bubble head Putin did it crowd are now behind this nonsense. Let me say this though – the numbers simply are not there to justify the lockdown – but what number ever would? South Korea said it best why they did not lockdown – because we a are a democracy. That’s right – since when did we all have to submit to germaphobes – a mental disorder?

Dungroanin
Dungroanin
Jun 13, 2020 10:42 AM
Reply to  Riccotelaly

You ain’t seen me angry, bro!

This is just fun propaganda bursting of the narrative manufacturers and pushers and their trolley bus loads of paid posters – with maybe an occasional naive but otherwise innocent reader led to their lair and boudoir getting in my firing line – which I really regret and try very hard to avoid.

What you see and class as anger is merely a progression of the discussion- which requires keeping track of, as THEY try to revert to the narrative by refusing to accept the facts that counter their fake proposition.

Mostly they operate using a script – obviously since they are not paid to think but to spread the narrative.

I’m pretty certain now, that when certain ‘senior’ Members of the 77th and their cohort here, have tried to go off-piste with me , they have inevitably gone off the edge!

The modus operandi is fairly clear to me now here after almost 2 years of reading and than engaging. Just
as it became stupefyingly clear at the On-G after decades of reading but just over a year of engaging.

The burn and run is already underway to various new citadels of ‘truth’ – as THEY have learnt to do in these wild web frontiers as they are doing in the ‘burbs and cities’ If the MSM and social media platforms.

If you can’t see that – you are either one of the naive or one of their cohorts – either way I ain’t fighting anyone just their message.

Ok?

Bill Rodger
Bill Rodger
Jun 13, 2020 11:32 AM
Reply to  Dungroanin

Dungroanin
That was a dramatic change of ton and an admiral attempt at distraction to divert off topic. You appear to be very familiar with this 77th brigade.

You have not countered any of the points made by Riccotelely or Thereisagod. Since you make out that you are a font of knowledge then I’d be particularly interested in reading your counter arguments to the points they raised.

Dungroanin
Dungroanin
Jun 13, 2020 8:04 PM
Reply to  Bill Rodger

Yes yes Bill, I got a bunch of ‘tones’ for a bunch of scripted narratives deployed here btl.

Surprised? I don’t care.
Engage with their narrative management? Nah … I’d rather eat glass.

You can read my counter arguments on many a story and thread over the many months. Go look.

I would point but the shitty comment system doesn’t allow us to look up our past comments or replies to them. Even after the ‘upgrade’.

Riccotelaly
Riccotelaly
Jun 13, 2020 1:46 PM
Reply to  Dungroanin

er – I could cite Mercer’s lyrics to Moon River – Two drifters off to see the world…. no better yet – you took the part that once was my heart so Why not take all of me.

Binra
Binra
Jun 13, 2020 3:06 PM
Reply to  Dungroanin

Well you can see it however you choose, but what is ‘THEY’?
 
You read as a reactive set against ‘They are lying to us’ without giving witness to the truth you insinuate you are protecting.
 
If I cant (wont) agree with you – am I one of ‘THEM’?
 
I posit that cognitive dissonance does not know that it is cognitive dissonace. But love knows itself in the sharing. And I dont mean mutual stroking and reinforcement.
 
You said you had already answered me here in another post – so I come here and find its all about ‘THEM’.
 
If I hadnt just had a coffee machine moment with you I would have to meet the thought that you are one of these 77 brigade operating the protection of narrative control as the right of elitists – who pull the levers of social controls by which financial support, energy supply, food and water supply, or mobility and the freedom to speak or associate increasingly depends. Oh and mandatory medical powers over all other rights at the drop of a virus.
 
I understand ‘They’ is a useful pronoun that posits a ‘we’? – but without contextual qualification the binary spins off into its own artifice as if an intelligence.
 
If you are not into going there I don’t mind, but it seems that if I challenge the dogma masking as science that effectively runs a pathological biology in the exact same way is being replicated for Climate, then I must be one of ‘Them’. Or did I miss something?
 
“One of the most spiteful and most unhealing properties of scientifc models is their capability to strike down truth and take its place, and often, these models serve as blinkers, by limiting attention to an excessively narrow area. The exaggerated trust in models has contributed much to the affected and ingenuine character of large parts of current natural research.”  ~ Erwin Chargaff, professor at Columbia University’s Biochemical Institute in New York.
 
‘Lets focus all our resources and attention in protecting the leverages of controls set over fear of loss of face – to the exposure in what lies beneath’. It’s a no brainer.

Riccotelaly
Riccotelaly
Jun 14, 2020 3:31 PM
Reply to  Dungroanin

There has been censorship of opposing positions of doctors and scientists who disagree. Both the CDC and WHO are largely funded by Big Parma and the Health Insurance industry. Hence the schizophrenic responses of these organizations battling responsible messages vs corporatist messages. Vaccines are manufactured by private corps without full transparency.

You have missed ground zero – corporate science is not science as it meets none of the rigor of transparency. Are you on board with oil company global warming scientists? But you are on board with big pharma scientists working to create corporate property.

Are you innumerate? Using lousy CDC numbers and allowing for Covid19 deaths that are in fact Covid19 lockdown deaths – the numbers are in the yearly range.

2017 650,000 died – no Marshall law
1968 over a million – world Population 1/2 of today – no Marshall law
1957 over a million – world Population 1/3 of today – no Marshall law

You say you know science but can you count?

Science would want to distinguish a Covid19 death from a lockdown death as it would provide knowledge of whether the lockdown works. But here they are lying and censoring. Not counting lockdown deaths is criminal behavior and we should pursue those fudging the numbers and demand criminal charge are laid.

The state is creating a mass hysteria and many have developed germaphobia – a mental disorder. Encouraging mass psychosis by a person who ostensibly Thinks the understand what science is would be funny if it was not so sick.

here is a clue for the clueless. LA police just stated they would use contact tracing to track suspects and their associates. Anyone with any thoughts in their head would know contact tracing even used for disease is untenable.

Try thinking – that’s all it takes – a mild attention to detail.

Let me help – when government says anything – first reaction – must be a lie – and allow them to prove otherwise. They have engaged in censorship here- their position can not withstand scrutiny.

RyanL
RyanL
Jun 22, 2020 3:33 AM
Reply to  Riccotelaly

There were exactly two reasons for a widespread lockdown: 1) inadequate testing capabilities, and 2) preventing an overrun of ICU capacity. If the USA federal administration has been prepared and acted quickly on making tests available, the chance of hospitals ICU being overrun would have diminished. Without tests, there was no way to tell where the virus was spreading until 1-2 weeks after (when people would get sick). Other countries responded quickly and the citizens complied with broad testing, contact tracing, and strict but specific quarantining.

Admin2
Admin
Admin2
Jun 22, 2020 4:21 AM
Reply to  RyanL

Since you project a knowledge of things viral and things scientific in your replies here, please be aware that you invite an added level of scrutiny of your scientific approach.
 
Please won’t you take full account of all the facts, rather than make blanket declarations about this virus? Honestly, that time really has passed, there are many, many holes in the narrative which require answers now. If you want to engage in more rewarding chat, please check out the coronavirus section on this website and read the many, many pieces we have published dealing with a huge range of things relating to covid and lockdown. Thanks. A2

Richard Son
Richard Son
Jun 13, 2020 1:56 PM
Reply to  ThereisaGod

There was a recent study on the safety of 5G by a European body of “experts” and it was announced in The Guardian of the lies (with a “safe ” verdict of course). There was no mention of whether anyone looked at the effects of mobile telecomms tech on smaller creatures, or indeed human DNA.

Binra
Binra
Jun 13, 2020 4:05 PM
Reply to  ThereisaGod

While I am attentive and involved in an ‘electric Universe’ idea – i am not putting all my eggs into another ‘man made threat’ basket. Though we are effectively denying our own Life Support under a false sense of self-protection.
 
Nor am I discounting toxic EM exposures by negligence, indifference or design.
But I see a synergy of ’causes’ in the realm of cause and effect (world) as part of the defended identity in effect that can be seen as part of why some are susceptible and others not – to all kinds of things – and the attempt to fit everything into general terms as the World, is not subject specific enough.
 
Anyway, that is the part I noticed a dissonance with in your post.
 
If 5G AND bioweapons were involved in the Covid 19 event – it still operated within and apparently instead of a flu season.
 
Fear is the ’cause’ of progeny or derivatives that replicate and reiterate fear – by exactly the same law that operates for love.
 
The influence of the stars (Gods in the pre-history era) was much more in our face than our current worldview allows.
 
Suffice to say that tons of cosmic particles fall to Earth as a matter of course and can be toxic – such that life has to adapt or survive through. Likewise the electrical system of the cosmos underlies much we assign elsewhere – such as earthquake, volcanic activity and storms of magnitudes higher than our recent historical experience filled with arc-plasma discharge and surrounded by serpentine vortices.
 
We are mostly living within an extremely stable Solar system for as long as we have structured our consciousness to project it backward and forward as a model of vast expanse of predictability.
 
We are currently in an extremely low phase of Solar activity – in which our so-called magnetosphere (named after the belief that molten iron generates magnetic fields when we had no other way of thinking), weakens because it is the ‘double layered ‘bow shock wave’ set against the Solar charge field (wind).
 
One of my potential theories to be utterly disproved is that of feared and predicted catastrophe for which the population must be prepared – but never openly told. This then requires the ignoble lie and ignoble means to propagate them to operate in place of full disclosure.
But I have gone off on a tangent.
 
Why put all of your eggs in prioritising electrical resonances and dissonances as ‘The Cause’ of all kinds of disease, and therefore ‘The Enemy’ – when there are so many? Is that not itself a biological shock-response?
 
The means to destroy human life are operating as broad spectrum biocide – but if the recognition of the choice to pull the final trigger rises to a full consciousness – will we choose to release it?
 
The immediate arms race for Internet of Things as well as Vaccinations and track and trace are all marketised control agenda pushing technological developments as part of what I cannot but see as a 4th Reich – rather than a 4th Industrial Revolution. There is no love, life or peace in it. IE_ it operates a living death trap for a control mentality that has spun out of all proportion to its original remit, to run as if an alien agenda.
 

ThereisaGod
ThereisaGod
Jun 13, 2020 4:23 PM
Reply to  Binra

It’s not a matter of “all eggs on one basket”. The issue is that one major basket (possible cause) is being determinedly ignored … indeed excluded, forbidden, declared taboo by those that claim to be protecting us.
Why would they do that with so much historical scientific evidence recorded demonstrating the danger?

“The protection of the people is the usual alibi of tyrants” Albert Camus
“The urge to save humanity is almost always a false front for the urge to control.”
H.L.Mencken

Those who rule over us don’t care about us THE TINIEST BIT. When you know this the wilfull ignoring of the EMF radiation issue is a mere detail and the only reason to raise it is to emphasise the larger point.

We are governed by lying fiends.

RyanL
RyanL
Jun 22, 2020 3:25 AM
Reply to  ThereisaGod

The fact that this ridiculous, insane comment gets 29 upvotes and 4 downvoted tells you exactly the kindness of nutjob that is reading this garbage.

ThereisaGod
ThereisaGod
Jun 22, 2020 8:55 AM
Reply to  RyanL

Read “The Invisible Rainbow” by Arthur Firstenberg, you nitwit.
The fact that you cannot demonstrate (or even argue against) this “insanity” but, rather, offer familiar abuse … speaks volumes regarding the desperation of media-addicted establishmentarians, devoted (as you are) to the outpourings of lying fiends … [not that political class REPEATERS are even aware that they are forwarding falsehoods to the subject audience].

kevin king
kevin king
Jun 10, 2020 5:55 PM

At last someone pointing out the Virology is a cargo cult science. Koch’s postulates have not been satisfied for ANY virus.
An excellent demolition of the SARS papers from 2003 by Andrew Kaufman MD
 



No longer available….what a surprise. The truth must be supressed at all cost.
Here he points out the obvious flaws in the entire hoax,not yet taken down.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oHREpsETpTM
 
As Kaufman points out here they never isolated the virus, but simply identified a stretch of RNA that they assumed to be the virus (taken from a sample contaminated with stuff like antibotics that are known to produce exosomes) and claimed this was a novel virus. Pure nonsense of course. But don’t ask the sheep to use their brains.
 

Tom Welsh
Tom Welsh
Jun 10, 2020 7:13 PM
Reply to  kevin king

“Koch’s postulates have not been satisfied for ANY virus”.
 
Maybe any human virus. They were satisified for tobacco mosaic virus, over a century ago.
 
Of course the new-found ability to sequence viral DNA and RNA complicates the issue. Now that is feasible, it should be done whenever possible to make absolutely sure that the virus is positively identified. The symptoms of TMV are a lot more unique and distinctive than those of “Covid-19”.

Binra
Binra
Jun 13, 2020 7:15 PM
Reply to  Tom Welsh

I have read differing accounts of the percentage match of presumed fragments of presumed unique identifying strands of RNA and DNA material. The ability to move the goalposts is not always obvious to those who think a test is a test is a test.
 
There is also the matter of increasing expert processes working within corporately funded environments that cannot be simply made transparent and so can only be taken on face value.
 
Along with the ability to splice and clone lab versions for whatever reasons. I read of capacity to ‘fake’ human DNA. there was a time when a photograph was considered proof.
 
I am not much aware of tobacco mosaic virus, but I see it was the first such discovery. Most of my reading on this has been in the context of fraud – such as Koch’s Tuberkulin.
 
I have a sense of biological code – that is far more complex than our binary – and yet still open to corruptions that become mutations or distortions of normal function. there does not appear to be an ‘entity’ or organism or functional existence to a tobacco mosaic virus – although we tend to assign life to such a thing it is an expression of cell replication.

rachel
rachel
Jun 10, 2020 10:59 PM
Reply to  kevin king

it is all pretty irrelevant. they admit most people r not effected so right there you can dismiss causation. it is regenerative detox that solves things.

rachel
rachel
Jun 11, 2020 12:07 AM
Reply to  rachel

say there was car fumes the only way it could kill people instantly would be in an enclosed space. that would be the factor to adress urgently. if you didnt know if it was fumes in enclosed space or just enclosed space you would know enclosed space was priorityto look at. you wouldnt waste time with fumes on beach.

rachel
rachel
Jun 11, 2020 12:44 AM
Reply to  rachel

it would be like if someone claimed there was a new star responible n not to look at enclosed spaces. the syptoms occred b4 the new star and were associated with enclosed spaces not stars.

Objective
Objective
Jun 11, 2020 6:17 AM
Reply to  kevin king
Reg
Reg
Jun 10, 2020 4:54 PM

Jon Rappoport’s latest in his tireless campaign against stupidity.

https://blog.nomorefakenews.com/2020/06/10/covid-fake-study-fake-drug-fake-land-of-loons/

Tim Drayton
Tim Drayton
Jun 10, 2020 5:09 PM
Reply to  Objective

Thanks for posting. I would urge all decent human beings to watch this video. Something very wrong, amounting to murder, is going on in New York hospitals and the same thing could well be happening everywhere ventilators are being used as the intervention of first choice with suspected Covid patients.
 
 

JudyJ
JudyJ
Jun 10, 2020 5:23 PM
Reply to  Tim Drayton

Tim,
 
I agree with all you say. I feel sure that similar travesties must have been happening in the UK and other countries. I hope global governments have set aside sufficient money to meet compensation claims. The drug user who was the sole escapee from the ventilator death programme in New York had better be careful that he doesn’t die from an ‘overdose’ as I am sure he or someone he knows will soon get to hear about this nurse’s account.

JudyJ
JudyJ
Jun 10, 2020 5:18 PM
Reply to  Objective

Objective
 
As @Tim Drayton has just said, thanks for posting this very disturbing testimony. @Charlotte Russe posted it earlier on the “95%” thread and it had crossed my mind to repeat post it on this thread, such is its significance, but you beat me to it! The nurse confirms many suspicions but it is still distressing to have the details presented first hand, recorded undercover and so explicitly as to leave little room for doubt as the validity of the claims. It’s another video that is sure to be removed by YouTube sooner rather than later.

Aldous Hexley
Aldous Hexley
Jun 10, 2020 8:58 PM
Reply to  Objective

Thank you for drawing attention to this important video, and thanks also to John Kirby and this nurse interviewed.

Richard Son
Richard Son
Jun 13, 2020 1:59 PM
Reply to  Objective

Wow… the medical zombies basically murdered a whole bunch of people in hospitals. Those ventilators are proper frankenstein science… not even that. They are obvious murder machines.

Jim McDonagh
Jim McDonagh
Jun 10, 2020 3:43 PM

Great article unfortunately no one is listening . The authorities are now into the disgustingly facile patting each other on the back for stopping the pandemic phase of this fraud while assuring the sheeple that it will be worse in Phase 2 this fall.

P R Ivy
P R Ivy
Jun 10, 2020 9:01 PM
Reply to  Jim McDonagh

Ceredigion County Council invented a “gold command” to deal with this idiot shit, they are patting themselves on the back for preventing the virus from causing the deaths it never was going to cause in the first place, a few of us are determined to campaign at local and national elections to try and get these cretins out of public office.
 
I am finding I am getting more and more uptight the longer this idiot shit goes on, I am going to assume I am not alone and if we can all find away to channel our frustrations and pent up agression in a positive way that kicks back at the absolute and utter cretins who not only live in our areas but in our streets too. all the better, it is getting spookier by the day as they seem incapable of absorbing reality which in turn has me wanting to punch them in the face, I wont as I am not a violent person, but my word it is getting tempting which has to be due to this idiot lockdown and the idiots parroting and keeping this idiot shit going,, going to ARGHHHHHH and go punch a pillow.
 
Ceredigion County Council invented a “gold command” to deal with this idiot shit, they are patting themselves on the back for preventing the virus from causing the deaths it never was going to cause in the first place, a few of us are determined to campaign at local and national elections to try and get these cretins out of public office.
 
I am finding I am getting more and more uptight the longer this idiot shit goes on, I am going to assume I am not alone and if we can all find away to channel our frustrations and pent up agression in a positive way that kicks back at the absolute and utter cretins who not only live in our areas but in our streets too. all the better, it is getting spookier by the day as they seem incapable of absorbing reality which in turn has me wanting to punch them in the face, I wont as I am not a violent person, but my word it is getting tempting which has to be due to this idiot lockdown and the idiots parroting and keeping this idiot shit going,, going to ARGHHHHHH and go punch a pillow.
 
 
Edited to add that my last paragraph has made me realise the damage being done to people on a psychological level, it is pretty brutal, and one can only imagine what people with very real mental health problems are experiencing, our societies have gone rogue, this needs to end, I have no idea how professional folk live with themselves, how folk with university education can square what is happening, how dr’s and nurses can stay silent in the uk as the waiting lists are going sky high, they are killing people, they are the disease.
 
 

Gary Weglarz
Gary Weglarz
Jun 10, 2020 2:33 PM

The excellent Swiss Propaganda Research site has just published it’s monthly updated information and links for June. This material is worth sharing widely with friends, family and others you know who have bought into the hysteria narratives of MSM.
 
https://swprs.org/a-swiss-doctor-on-covid-19/

Don
Don
Jun 10, 2020 4:15 PM
Reply to  Gary Weglarz

Regarding treatments in the Swiss Propaganda Research update, they left out an important development: a group of critical care physicians has found an effective treatment for Covid-19 using methylprednisolone, ascorbic acid, and heparin. https://covid19criticalcare.com/

JudyJ
JudyJ
Jun 10, 2020 6:10 PM
Reply to  Don

Madagascar and several other African countries have been using a well-known and trusted herbal plant-based remedy, artemisia, apparently with success. It’s been in use for generations to treat other conditions safely and with success. The WHO tried to discredit it recently saying it must not be used as it is unproven and potentially dangerous (familiar narrative). But the Madagascan President stood up to them, told them where to go and said that they were going to continue using it irrespective of the WHO’s instruction.

Willem
Willem
Jun 10, 2020 6:20 PM
Reply to  Don

Heparin is an anticoagulant and Covid19=venous thromboembolism (that needs treatment with anticoagulants as is known for more than 60 years)

So that explains a lot!

Cheezilla
Cheezilla
Jun 11, 2020 5:21 PM
Reply to  Willem

I’d spotted that.
 
I seem to recollect that, early in the outbreak, the use of steriods was strongly advised against.
Am I correct (my memory not being what it was)?
 

bob
bob
Jun 10, 2020 2:28 PM

A very intelligent and unassuming woman, Zoe tells it like it is about anti-social distancing
 
https://www.zoeharcombe.com/2020/06/social-distancing-the-evidence/

Objective
Objective
Jun 10, 2020 2:53 PM
Reply to  bob

After the mask article a few days ago in Off-G I consulted my wife (30 year experienced RGN) for her perspective, on the pros/cons of masks. She asserts her training has always been that (surgical) face masks are only worn in surgery or if dealing with infectious patients BUT in the latter instance (surgical) masks are only beneficial for 10 minutes before they become ineffective! She added nothing beats washing your hands. And shes pretty strict with hygene she wouldn’t wear her uniform outside of hospital.
 
She tells me PPE at work is a joke, even if it were necessary what they are supplied is worthless.

Mike Ellwood
Mike Ellwood
Jun 10, 2020 5:11 PM
Reply to  Objective

I had to take my mother to a hospital (large, modern teaching hospital) today for a routine ultrasound scan. (She’d been having regular scans prior to the Coronapanic; this is the first since then; they seem to have opened up for more general business.
 
In view of https://rcni.com/nursing-standard/newsroom/news/covid-19-surgical-masks-compulsory-all-hospital-staff-england-15-june-161646
 
…we thought we’d better wear masks, and gloves also, just in case.
 
I was surprised that almost no one else was wearing a mask; at least, in the general areas.
 
The nurse who came out to take her in for her scan was indeed wearing one, as you might expect, as personal contact was necessary as part of the scan.
 
And no doubt others, away in treatment areas or whatever, behind closed doors. But in reception, corridors, etc, etc, and in the courtyard outside where there were plenty of staff coming and going, hardly a one wearing a mask.
 
Interesting, I thought.
 
(Oxfordshire, UK).

Watt
Watt
Jun 10, 2020 6:10 PM
Reply to  bob

Bob,
slightly off topic…apologies…but..as I recall you posted two videos around the middle of May where police behaviour toward lockdown protestors in Hyde Park was the main feature. I’ve searched for those posts but can’t find them. Can you help with those links? Cheers.
 

Cheezilla
Cheezilla
Jun 11, 2020 5:27 PM
Reply to  bob

Thank you! Great link. Zoe’s amazing at busting holes in false data etc.

Dungroanin
Dungroanin
Jun 10, 2020 12:48 PM

The scientific analysis by the ONS is clear.

Excess Deaths caused by CV.

Excess Deaths by low skilled workers using public transport clearly indicative of deaths amongs that group – mostly consisting of black and South Asian workers employed in that category.

Especially – security guards.

Prove me wrong or admit your narrative is wrong.

https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/birthsdeathsandmarriages/deaths/articles/analysisofdeathregistrationsnotinvolvingcoronaviruscovid19englandandwales28december2019to1may2020/technicalannex

https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/healthandsocialcare/causesofdeath/bulletins/coronaviruscovid19relateddeathsbyoccupationenglandandwales/deathsregistereduptoandincluding20april2020

breweriana
breweriana
Jun 10, 2020 2:07 PM
Reply to  Dungroanin

A racist virus, eh?
Who would have thought…

Steve Hayes
Steve Hayes
Jun 10, 2020 2:18 PM
Reply to  breweriana

Matt Hancock, the Health Secretary, has repeatedly publicly asserted that the virus does not discriminate.

rachel
rachel
Jun 10, 2020 2:56 PM
Reply to  Steve Hayes

black people need some 5 times more sun to get vitamin d. nothing new about the vaxx cults ideology killing more blacks. if they were working in tranport they would be more fearful leading to adrenal fatigue n death. when they saw the hazmat they stopped breathing in terror. if not the drugs would finish them off.

Dungroanin
Dungroanin
Jun 11, 2020 10:37 AM
Reply to  rachel

Ah rachel – ready time jump into the big racist fight eh? Ok I’ll bite .
Your mum …

Cheezilla
Cheezilla
Jun 11, 2020 5:31 PM
Reply to  Steve Hayes

And you believe what Matt Wankock says?

Steve Hayes
Steve Hayes
Jun 12, 2020 9:23 AM
Reply to  Cheezilla

It is not a matter of belief. By the way, how could a virus (which isn’t even alive, let alone sentient) discriminate?

Cheezilla
Cheezilla
Jun 12, 2020 1:07 PM
Reply to  Steve Hayes

Yes sorry, own petard etc. I agree about viruses not being alive etc. Wancock makes it sound as if covid is – and again I wouldn’t trust a word he says, blatantly idiotic as much of it is.

Dungroanin
Dungroanin
Jun 10, 2020 8:11 PM
Reply to  breweriana

Not racist. But classist.

Like you.

breweriana
breweriana
Jun 11, 2020 11:12 AM
Reply to  Dungroanin

So it’s a marxist virus.
Who would have thought…

invitado
invitado
Jun 11, 2020 2:15 PM
Reply to  breweriana

Poor people’s hospitals kill more than others (see the video with nurse Erin on this same site for a taste of vulgar Marxism).
Such a disgusting thing, all this scientism. Even within science it is well known that paradigms shift (until then, visionary disidents will be ostracised, ridiculised, sent to he mad house), but people throw to you the experts’ dicta (Aristotle, Saint Thomas, etc) and do not for a second enter into a serious, honest debate. This silly paradigm of evil minute invasive entities being the Cause (theological initial capital required) of illnesses has been losing ground for more thatn 100 years. More and more exceptions invented (“pathogenic microbes are a tiny minority, the rest are necessary for life”, “some illnesses are autoimmune”…) within the silly paradigm. Meanwhile, all the sophisticated lab escolastics are used to “prove” exactly what results in more money moving.
One can, and defenitely should, talk about the science, but lets not forget that it is possible to speak about science from the outside science. The inimitable BigB is doing it all the time in these parts. Quite tough to follow (to much philosophical jargon for my taste and capabilities, I have to admit), I will grant, but I’ll keep trying…

invitado
invitado
Jun 11, 2020 2:19 PM
Reply to  invitado

“from the outside OF science” among other less unconfortable typos…

I can’t edit my comment for some reason

Dungroanin
Dungroanin
Jun 14, 2020 12:55 AM
Reply to  breweriana

Marxist are just the invention and tools of bankers.

Gary Weglarz
Gary Weglarz
Jun 10, 2020 2:30 PM
Reply to  Dungroanin

Here’s the latest update for June from the excellent Swiss Propaganda Research site.
 
https://swprs.org/a-swiss-doctor-on-covid-19/
 

Dungroanin
Dungroanin
Jun 13, 2020 10:48 AM
Reply to  Gary Weglarz

They don’t do their own research on the CV they are merely publishing from various alternative sites and opinions.

They do not claim the virus does not exist or that it has caused deaths.

Objective
Objective
Jun 10, 2020 3:02 PM
Reply to  Dungroanin

Don’t deny all excess deaths are cv related, coz fucking lock-down stopped them getting hospital treatment & those that were vulnerable were coerced into signing DNR’s.
 
Plus the NHS sent infected patients into care homes (over 50% of all mortalities were in care homes)! The rest simply committed suicide because they couldn’t tolerate any more moronic comments like yours from tedious trolls.

Watt
Watt
Jun 10, 2020 6:14 PM
Reply to  Objective

Fuck! Both barrels, eh?

Dungroanin
Dungroanin
Jun 10, 2020 8:13 PM
Reply to  Watt

Of moonshine.

Dungroanin
Dungroanin
Jun 10, 2020 8:13 PM
Reply to  Objective

Got any evidence that isn’t very subjective?

Objective
Objective
Jun 11, 2020 6:06 AM
Reply to  Dungroanin

I’ve stopped the nonsense of trading data sets to prove a narrative. On the principle its all bullshit, or relying on corrupt government & scientists. The only fact you need to know is they don’t have any reliable effective method to identify a virus they haven’t proved exists.
 
Be clear, I’m not saying it doesn’t exist, i’m saying there’s no true science showing it does. & no reliable test to diagnose it.
 
If you where as smart as you pretend to be, you would stop listening/trusting government sources. An irony really you trust a tory government but are a remoaner!
 
Science is dead, long live science.

RyanL
RyanL
Jun 22, 2020 3:54 AM
Reply to  Objective

Wow! No true science showing that SAR-CoV-2 exists? Except for a whole site where you can look at its genome: nextstrain, and many studies where they have infected cats, ferrets, hamsters, minks, and macaques, which release live virus after being infected.

Riccotelaly
Riccotelaly
Jun 22, 2020 12:15 PM
Reply to  Dungroanin

In B.C. Canada – drug overdoseS in May Was a record – those deaths alone were greater than Covid19 – those are lockdown deaths / and that does not include those who died from lack of emergency services.

I already know a couple lockdown casualties – no effort to track the results of closed emergency rooms.

The apparent desire to ignore and to not document lockdown deaths or worse to include them as Covid19 deaths – that is not science.

Science seeks to further knowledge – what we see is an echo chamber refusing to practice science.

With total deaths being in the seasonal range that the CDC published – I ask people you spent your whole life not worrying if you were going to be one of the seasonal flu victims. Now you are a full blown germaphobia – what is different other than a flu with a PR department if fear.

And people want to live that way? The government and its dutiful stenographers on MSM have created a mass mental illness.

The frustration is forget the government – how do we wake up the zombies?

3 kinds of zombies – full believers- doubters afraid keeping mouth shut. And those who know we are right but wish it is a virus because the reality of government abuse Is far scarier. This last group I am starting to run into – a as few almost blurted it out after pretending to be true believers.

Paul
Paul
Jun 10, 2020 3:39 PM
Reply to  Dungroanin

You are entitled to your opinion like everyone else. Healthy debate is important.

But before you provide links to statistics around Covid19 you have to prove it exists.

Unless you provide clear scientific evidence Covid19 exists the statistics are meaningless.

When the WHO declared a new virus it’s their responsibility to provide the evidence it exists.

When governments declare lockdown due to a virus , then it’s the responsibility of the ‘expert scientists’ to provide evidence the virus exists.

None has been provided. Testing, antibody testing are meaningless

The statistics are pointless as infections, deaths and all hospitalisations and deaths cannot be attributed to a virus that has not been proven to exist.

All government policies- lockdowns, rules surrounding it, face masks, quarantines, divisive distancing etc cannot be lawfully be enforced based on a virus not proven to exist.

The responsibility of the MSM is to investigate government policies to see if they stand up to scrutiny. None have done this.

The excellent Off Guardian has conducted proper investigative journalism and have challenged the official narrative. The conclusions and articles on this site are not wild theories or opinions.
It’s evidence backed up by facts.

The public deserve to be provided with facts.
Many millions of people are having their lives turned upside down, businesses closing, jobs lost, health services destroyed, freedom of movement restricted, socialising heavily restricted, kids education destroyed.
Families have been unable to visit relatives in hospital and attend funerals. This is sick.
And for what- a virus not proven to exist.

There is no way these ‘scientific experts’ aren’t aware of the Koch postulates.

They know what they are doing. It’s medical tyranny and is beyond evil.

If we are wrong then please provide your scientific evidence this virus exists.

Watt
Watt
Jun 10, 2020 6:46 PM
Reply to  Paul

It’s almost as if there are grounds for a massive class action lawsuit for ‘reparations’ on behalf of those who have suffered any harm or loss due to the covid 19 lockdown, house arrest, repulsion zones and so on. Sue the barstewards till their unborn children scream, now that the results are in!

Dungroanin
Dungroanin
Jun 10, 2020 8:17 PM
Reply to  Paul

Viruses exist. The flu virus exists. The various SARS type viruses exist.

Do you refuse medication? Antibiotics? Tetanus? Pain killers? Blood transfusions? Anaesthetics?

What dumb flat-earth, geocentric Sky Fairies religious claptrap do you follow?

Do you teach your children Creationism? Do you believe it?

Objective
Objective
Jun 11, 2020 5:19 AM
Reply to  Dungroanin

This is where I diverge from the mob, I don’t like this belief, hypothesis, concept viruses don’t exist. For those that support this theory please explain HIV, Myxomatosis, Rabies etc.

WorldParole
WorldParole
Jun 11, 2020 6:41 AM
Reply to  Objective

HIV/AIDS
https://www.houseofnumbers.com/ (shout to Mike Ellwood for introducing me to this wonderful film)
 
Rabies / Myxomatosis:
https://www.thehighersidechats.com/dawn-lester-david-parker-what-really-makes-us-ill-germ-theory-the-four-factors/
 
 
 

Objective
Objective
Jun 11, 2020 11:11 AM