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Lies, Damned Lies and Covid19

Michael Lesher

Image source – Forbes/Getty

Growing up as I did in the Cold War, I still experience a special kind of shudder whenever I come across an anecdote like that of Katya Soldak, whose Soviet nursery school teacher once showed her class a photograph clipped from a Western newspaper, “depicting skinny [Russian] children in striped robes walking in a straight line.”

The capitalists who printed that picture wanted people to think Soviet children were “treated like prisoners,” the teacher declared angrily, “when in reality the kids were on their way to a swimming pool in their bathrobes.”

Which was a nice story (thought little Katya) — except that “I had never even seen a pool…. [T]hey existed in my mind as does an exotic animal or an unvisited city.”

A time capsule from a remote dystopia? Think again.

Staring at me right now from the latest quarterly newsletter of my alma mater, the University of Virginia, is an identical piece of bad-is-good fakery: a photograph of an involuntarily isolated graduate student named Kalea Obermeyer, accompanied by a caption blandly informing the reader that the woman seated alone on a trunk in the confines of a cramped dormitory room, clumsily swathed in a surgical mask, “shelters in place” in “her most secure housing during the pandemic.”

Welcome to Pravda, COVID19 style.

Being an honest sort, I have considered whether I ought to write to the editors of my old university’s magazine, accusing them of playing toady to democracy-destroying propagandists.

Should I remind these so-called educators of the young that the term “shelter in place” is properly applied to air raids, not to “pandemics,” and is a cruel hoax when pressed into service to describe what is actually an illegal quarantine?

That the young woman in the photograph is not “sheltered” but confined? That pandemics have occurred many times before, and that what’s new this time around is not the flu but the police state? That the governor’s order placing this student (and the rest of the citizenry) under virtual house arrest is probably unconstitutional?

And that while she’s stuck in her room — for no good reason I can discern — a whole host of local bus drivers, contract workers and university employees, including dining hall service workers who’ve labored there for decades, are all out of jobs?

I’d like to write all that, and more, to the purveyors of this bit of fake news. But I suspect I’d be wasting my time.

Mainstream media have recycled so many lies about COVID19 that by now every respectable editor with enough sense to come in out of the rain knows perfectly well what he or she is supposed to make the rest of us believe. And heaven help the dissenters!

Thus the once-respectable Atlantic, after months of promoting coronavirus hysteria, has published a kind of palinode that admits virtually every charge made by critics of lockdown policies — but still winds up gloomily insisting on the freedom-haters’ moral supremacy, facts or no facts.

The authors (Alexis Madrigal and Robinson Meyer) grudgingly concede the growing evidence that going outdoors, instead of being cooped up for months at a time per lockdown fiats, actually reduces the risk of infection.

They also admit that those who enforce our confinement clearly don’t believe their own hype about “social distancing”: police are “crowding protesters together, blasting them with lung and eye irritants, and cramming them into paddy wagons and jails.”

They even point out that the police themselves rarely bother separating from one another. But ultimately none of that matters to the liberal Atlantic: it’s “obvious” — evidence be damned — that just “standing in a crowd for long periods raises the risk of increased transmission of SARS-CoV-2.” Who says so? Why, Anthony Fauci does.

And what about all the evidence that COVID19, never anywhere near as deadly as officials originally assured us it was, is on the way out?

Here, too, the Atlantic’s paladins admit the facts but refuse to draw the obvious conclusion. They note that “the outbreak has eased in the Northeast,” the hardest-hit section of the US; that new cases have leveled off or declined in the great majority of states; and that “hundreds of public-health professionals signed a letter this week declining to oppose the protests [against police brutality] ‘as risky for COVID19 transmission.'”

They even admit that in Georgia and Florida, two states that enforced lockdowns least and opened up earliest, the numbers of new infections have been “relatively flat.”

In the face of so much good news, what are right-thinking police-state enthusiasts to do?

“[T]he US is not going to beat the coronavirus,” Madrigal and Meyer groan in unison in the article’s key paragraph. “Collectively, we slowly seem to be giving up.” Now there’s a specimen of doublethink even Orwell missed: victory is surrender; lockdown is safety; hysteria is virtue.

So I’m not planning to write to the editors at my alma mater — at least, not about that propagandists’ playground known as COVID19. When rights-trampling, economy-busting general incarceration is the fashion in the Land of the Free, when lying is good sense and wrecking lives is “health care,” my old ideas of rational persuasion start to look like a parasol in a monsoon.

Instead, I am going to do a bit of ranting about words — the elements that lies are made of. I do this because I am sure the twisting of language to cloak political and economic skullduggery — which I take to be the worst evils of the coronavirus outbreak — will be glossed over in future mainstream accounts.

And I do it because the politicians who tore up the Bill of Rights and thrust the US and much of the world to the brink of another Great Depression are not likely to change their spots — and unless we insist on calling their actions by their right names, we will be defenseless against their future machinations. “Political language,” Orwell reminded us, “is designed to make lies sound truthful…and to give an appearance of solidity to pure wind.”

Well, here are some choice examples of “pure wind” that made “lies sound truthful” over the past three months:

Shelter in place. The fraudulent use of this term stands in synecdoche to all the rest. “Shelter in place” originated in US Civil Defense regulations in the context of a possible nuclear attack; over the following decades, the term evolved to mean any emergency order to “take cover until the coast is clear on order of officials.” But it has never had the slightest connection with disease control.

An order that restricts the movement of someone who is not ill, but who is suspected of contact with someone who is, is called a “quarantine.” But there are laws that regulate slapping quarantine orders on people — to say nothing of an entire population — and the governors and mayors who were bent on lockdowns clearly didn’t intend to be constrained by anything as pedestrian as the law.

So they dug up this irrelevant phrase and plastered it over their arbitrary confinements of huge numbers of citizens — in violation of quarantine statutes, without a court order, and without even a semblance of public debate — hoping nobody would notice the compounding of official malfeasance with verbal fakery.

It’s worth taking a moment to imagine how this trick must have been hatched in the bowels of some executive mansion.

I can picture someone like New Jersey governor Phil Murphy (last seen claiming that the constraints of the Bill of Rights weren’t part of his job description) barking at his aides, “Damn it, there’s got to be something to justify locking up the whole state without going through those pesky quarantine procedures!”

And I can see a harried assistant, having rummaged for hours in the archives, jogging into an office with the term “shelter in place” and a rather sheepish explanation that, well, it’s not about infection control, and doesn’t really have anything to do with the present situation, but it does say “in place” and, um, “shelter” and, you know…and anyway, for God’s sake, there isn’t anything else!

And then it’s not hard to imagine the boss (who knows the media better than his subordinates do) triumphantly working the words “shelter in place” into his next public address, confident that few mainstream reporters will ask him where the phrase came from.

The imagined details are less important than the obvious fact that “shelter in place” could not have been sprung on us by way of an innocent error. The term had to be found, and the officials who found it would necessarily have known what it meant, and therefore that its use in the context of a viral epidemic would constitute a fraud.

Thus, anyone — and I mean anyone — who has employed the phrase “shelter in place” over the last three months has been repeating a lie. It’s as simple as that. Every public health care official who has used the phrase is a scoundrel; every “journalist” who has used it is a shameless propagandist; every politician who has used it is an imposter who, in my view, deserves to be impeached or voted out of office forthwith.

Social distancing. This one runs “shelter in place” a close second. The phrase was nonexistent, or at best obscure, until rather recently; when officials of the Center for Disease Control and Prevention used it in a 2007 advisory memorandum, they felt obliged to explain the term in a footnote:

Social distancing refers to methods for reducing frequency and closeness of contact between people in order to decrease the risk of transmission of disease. Examples of social distancing include cancellation of public events such as concerts, sports events, or movies, closure of office buildings, schools, and other public places, and restriction of access to public places such as shopping malls or other places where people gather.

Note that this definition does not include keeping people six feet apart, stifling them with surgical masks, or barring them from inviting family members to their apartments. Evidently, not even the germophobes at the CDC were prepared to contemplate so brutal a disruption of human life just thirteen years ago.

In fact, the same memorandum stressed the importance of “[r]espect for individual autonomy” and “each individual’s general right to noninterference,” adding that even in the event the government did close office buildings or restrict access to shopping malls, “[a] process should be in place for objections to be heard, restrictions appealed, and for new procedures to be considered prior to implementation” — something never even remotely attempted during the last three months.

In other words, “social distancing” really means whatever the changing whims of our governors would like it to mean, as they continue to exercise “emergency” powers in what is clearly not an emergency. Meanwhile, the use of the term gives a false patina of scientific legitimacy to unprecedented government intrusions into the most basic interactions of human life.

The timing of the successive redefinitions of the phrase is itself instructive. In my own state of New Jersey, masks were not required as a component of “social distancing” until mid-April, by which time it was clear that the number of new cases in the region was already leveling off. (Masks remain mandatory in public as of this writing, even though the infection rate has fallen almost to pre-outbreak levels.)

Allow that point to sink in for a moment: “social distancing” took on a more extreme and divisive definition at just the moment that, by any rational calculation, restrictions should have been reduced, if not removed altogether! And the most recent fiats from the governor suggest that nothing like ordinary companionship is going to be permitted any time soon — regardless of the facts.

This implies that, at bottom, “social distancing” is not intended to serve any genuine medical purpose. It’s much better understood as an instrument of political repression — a way of keeping people apart and preventing any sort of public organizing.

I don’t consider it an accident that the “phased reopening plan” being peddled by nearly all media “experts,” and routinely attributed to Johns Hopkins University, was in fact produced under the leadership of Scott Gottlieb, a resident fellow of the American Enterprise Institute — the right-wing think tank that served as a major cheerleader for the Iraq invasion of 2003 and whose recent initiatives include efforts to sharply reduce federal spending on health care.

(Dr. Gottlieb, who until recently was Trump’s Commissioner of the Food and Drug Administration, now sits on the boards of pharma heavyweights Pfizer, Illumina and Tempus — so it’s not hard to see where his interests lie.)

That AEI is in no hurry to help small businesses reopen or to keep working people from losing their jobs will come as no surprise. What needs emphasis is that if such an outfit couldn’t hide its agenda behind the medical-sounding phrase “social distancing,” it would stand little chance of slipping its initiatives past the general public and into practice. But while we’re all creeping around with our faces wrapped like mummies, turned away from each other whenever possible, staying at least six feet apart, and speaking only when spoken to, how are we supposed to mount effective political opposition as the high rollers play their favorite games?

Emergency. Though it’s not often reported this way, the United States largely suspended democratic government back in March, when some 40 state executives declared “health emergencies,” granting themselves quasi-dictatorial powers to act without legislative approval or legal process.

They did this by invoking each state’s version of the Emergency Health Powers Act, a controversial piece of legislation crafted in the nervous aftermath of the September 2001 attacks and supposedly designed for a coordinated response to a massive act of bioterrorism. The American Civil Liberties Union was not alone back then in condemning the bill as “replete with civil liberties problems” and “a throwback to a time before the legal system recognized basic protections for fairness.”

Nevertheless, liberal media didn’t utter a peep when governors across the nation effectively scuppered democracy in the face of what, however threatening, didn’t even arguably resemble a catastrophic bioterror attack.

If that strikes you as a flagrant abuse of the word “emergency” for questionable political purposes — and it should — you ain’t seen nothing yet.

On June 4, New Jersey’s Governor Murphy issued his third consecutive extension of what was supposed to be a thirty-day “state of emergency” he had originally declared — unilaterally — on March 9.

What was the “emergency” this time around? In the governor’s own words: “there has now been a decrease in the rate of reported new cases of COVID19 in New Jersey, in the total number of individuals being admitted to hospitals for COVID19, and in the rate of reproduction for COVID19 infections in New Jersey.”

Got that? New cases, hospitalizations, even the “rate of reproduction” for the virus are all on the wane throughout Murphy’s jurisdiction. (And have been for months.) Yet in today’s Newspeak, that’s an “emergency” — enough to justify another month of democracy-free rule by executive fiat.

And I’m the Maharaja of Mysore…

I won’t even bother writing about that most buffoonish of phrases, “flattening the curve.” If that ever meant anything (which I doubt), it means literally nothing, or more accurately less than nothing, when applied (as it is now) to an outbreak that is demonstrably almost over.

I’ll only note that if the lockdown enthusiasts had been able to specify an actual goal, in intelligible language, they would have done so from the start. They couldn’t — because their true objectives were political, not medical — so they offered us a magical-thinking cartoon image instead. They must be hoping we still haven’t noticed.

As always, fraudulent language goes hand in hand with fraudulent political posturing, of which the Atlantic article I’ve already mentioned — oozing crocodile tears over the excesses of the cops while oblivious to the Constitution-defying antics of Governors Cuomo, Murphy, Whitmer et al. — is a rather rank example.

In a similar vein, Ross Douthat’s recent op-ed in the New York Times is an interesting confession of liberal dishonesty in the service of a slightly different form of liberal dishonesty.

Douthat correctly complains about members of the “public health establishment” who condemned anti-lockdown protesters just weeks ago as a dangerous death cult, but are now bowing and scraping before the parallel behavior of Black Lives Matter, “tying themselves in ideological knots” in the process.

Douthat’s indictment of highbrow hypocrisy on this score is so accurate that it is worth quoting at length:

[T]he original theory behind a stern public health response — that the danger to life and health justified suspending even the most righteous pursuits, including not just normal economic life but the practices and institutions that protect children, comfort the dying, serve the poor — has been abandoned or subverted by every faction in our national debate…. There is no First Amendment warrant to break up Hasidic funerals while blessing Black Lives Matter protests, and there is no moral warrant to claim that only anti-racism, however pressing its goals, deserves a sweeping exception from rules that have forbidden so many morally important activities for the last few months.

All this is perfectly true. But with a pinch more honesty, Douthat might have concluded that “the original theory” was a sham to begin with. If the Right Thinkers had been telling the truth when they herded us all into captivity back in March, they’d still be yelling “obey or die!” at every crowd that defies lockdown orders.

Douthat interprets their inconsistency as a surrender to the virus; he can’t admit that the Right Thinkers’ real battle was never against COVID19. It was against us.

The same conclusion stares us in the face from the Right Thinkers’ eulogizing of protests against police brutality — or, rather, from what their encomiums to those protests consistently omit.

The demonstrations spearheaded by Black Lives Matter focus on police-state tactics employed by uniformed enforcers of the will of the State; the much-maligned anti-lockdown protesters have been objecting to police-state tactics employed by political officials of the State itself.

The connection between the two sets of protests should be obvious. But have you heard any of the high-profile liberals who are paying homage to Black Lives Matter breathe a single word to the effect that these different groups of protesters ought to combine their efforts, or at least to coordinate their campaigns in order to increase their political effectiveness?

Of course not — and in my view, that’s the real reason behind the hypocritical nonsense being spouted in support of BLM by establishmentarians who merely sneered when the protesters were white working people.

As long as Black Lives Matter continues to observe the double limitation that has so far marked its demonstrations — protesting only along racial lines, and only against the police — the ruling class’s left-wing will go on blessing it, because it won’t constitute too large a threat to established order.

If the demonstrations start to talk about the rights of all people to be free of arbitrary confinement as well as violence, of all ordinary Americans to be able to work for a living as well as staying out of prison, the evils of all officials who stand in their way…well, that will be a horse of a different color.

Remember the snapshot of congressional Democrats kneeling in pious rows with those silly kente stoles around their necks?

That was styled as a “protest,” but don’t kid yourselves: if Pelosi & Co. were genuinely horrified about police racism, they would have done something about it years ago. I think those Democratic heavyweights knelt to pray that BLM doesn’t realize it’s confronting a broader issue than racist police violence.

As I write this, the US is teetering simultaneously on the edge of its worst financial collapse since the 1930s and on the brink of a descent into quasi-dictatorial rule. Sectarian protests, however justified, won’t halt that descent. General political resistance just might. And liberal pundits are scared to death that protesters, black and white, progressive and conservative, might figure out that they’re really fighting the same enemy.

Of course, nothing I can write is going to penetrate the minds of people who have drunk the lockdown Kool-Aid and will hear, in my dissection of the fraudulent language used by “public servants” to foment poverty and to shred the Bill of Rights, only some sort of “coronavirus denial.”

So let me say it clearly: the coronavirus epidemic is real. Okay? It exists — but saying it exists is a mere truism. Iraq exists too, and it was once ruled by a particularly vicious dictator — though the fact that his worst atrocities were committed with extensive US support is mentioned far less often than it should be.

But it is still true that the American and British publics were tricked into endorsing a criminal invasion of that country on the strength of false claims. And no assortment of after-the-fact apologetics can turn those lies into truths.

The same holds for COVID19 and its flagrantly deceitful handling by nearly everyone involved: politicians, reporters, pundits, public health “experts.” (The US leadership of my own Orthodox Jewish community has been just as bad.) Yes, this is a highly contagious respiratory infection that can have serious effects on unusually vulnerable people. But beyond that, just about everything we were told about COVID19 has turned out to be false.

We were told the virus would kill millions in the US alone, and that was false.

We were told lockdowns would make it go away, and that was false.

We were told we would only be confined until the rate of new cases leveled off, and that was false.

We were told that while the outbreak lasted no state government would tolerate any sort of public gathering for any reason, and that was false.

We were told that anyone who questioned the wisdom of the draconian restrictions foisted on us by our governments was a crypto-Nazi whose real goal was to kill off the weak — and that was false, not to mention slanderous.

Most unforgivably of all, we were told — and told, and told — that morality was entirely on the side of the democracy-destroyers. That was a lie of breathtaking proportions.

Not only did the lockdowns violate state laws and make a mockery of the US Constitution; not only did they deprive at least tens of millions of Americans of their basic liberties; not only have they cost millions of people their jobs and thrust the country into its worst economic straits since the 1930s — on top of all that, they have sown untold misery around the world, as mushrooming numbers of poor people experience acute food shortages and millions of children face the interruption of vital medical supplies.

And even as mainstream media begin to admit these facts, they still subvert reality by pretending that all this suffering is a result “of the coronavirus.”

That’s simply another lie. It would be as true to say that millions died in Nazi gas chambers as a result of the rise of Soviet communism. (The putative threat of “the Bolsheviks” was a crucial theme in the anti-Semitism that underpinned the Nazi “Final Solution.”)

The truth, of course, is that the coronavirus didn’t cause these hardships, at least not by itself. Politicians chose to inflict them. And unless we keep that knowledge alive, we will never be able to hold those responsible to account — nor prevent a repetition of such behavior in the future.

“The beginning of wisdom,” said Confucius, “is to call things by their proper name.”

Katya Soldak and her nursery school classmates could not dismantle their country’s ruling Communist Party, but they could refuse to call a prison camp a health resort. Surely we can refuse to cooperate in the use of language whose sole purpose is to swindle us. At present our civil liberties are under serious assault, as is the very principle of democracy. Can’t we call those ugly things the names they deserve?

I know what I am proposing is more difficult than it sounds. The enemies of honesty in politics have vast resources at their disposal, and they are not shy about abusing them. Already the UN’s euphemistically-named Special Rapporteur on Freedom of Opinion and Expression, David Kaye, has openly applauded censorship of lockdown critics, even acknowledging that social media “platforms are serving as stand-ins for government authorities” in an effort to curb unwanted political protest.

The dishonesty infects even small details: the Washington Post, like most US media outlets with paywalls, makes an exception for COVID19, “providing this important information about the coronavirus for free”; but the Post’s only story on the Wisconsin Supreme Court’s reversal of the governor’s mass-confinement order that contains the court’s explanation of its ruling is behind the same paywall as every ordinary article.

Evidently, stories that promote coronavirus hysteria constitute “important information,” while stories that lend support to dissenters do not — not even when they concern the reasoning of the highest court of a major state.

So yes, the COVID19 game is rigged — as games run by our rulers usually are. But false depictions of reality have power only to the extent honest people allow themselves to be deceived.

Powerful politicians, and their tame pundits, are plainly betting that the public can be manipulated by the fear of a novel virus. But the thing we should fear the most is irrational submissiveness, what Max Weber called “the cowardly will to impotence.”

The moral of the Emperor’s new clothes is as relevant as ever: a single honest voice can unravel the most elaborately designed fakery. People who demand the truth may be outnumbered. They cannot easily be overcome.

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Doug
Doug
Jul 8, 2020 7:14 AM

Brilliant. Just what I’ve been thinking, and expressed so thoroughly.

Erica Etelson
Erica Etelson
Jul 3, 2020 5:36 PM

Does your analysis change now that infectio and hospitalization rates in the US are spiking again? Do you think the spike is attributable to the re-openings, the refusal of some to wear masks or something else?

JonnyT
JonnyT
Jun 22, 2020 10:31 AM

Excellent analysis

Expat
Expat
Jun 22, 2020 10:23 AM

I strongly suspect that the same people who claim Covid is a lie and the measures taken were an assault on their freedoms also cheered loudly when the Patriot Acts were put in place. So torture and universal spying on all Americans is fine, but God forbid you can’t get your roots dyed in order to save several hundred thousand lives.
 
The lies, fabrications and exaggerations in this article all clearly demonstrate that the author is just annoyed because reality did not conform to delusions and ignorance. Perhaps America deserves Covid assuming it selects for ignorance and stupidity?

JonnyT
JonnyT
Jun 22, 2020 10:31 AM
Reply to  Expat

I have seen a definite attempt recently, clumsily executed as usual by the 77th foot soldiers, to redefine social obedience as radical and revolutionary. This comment of yours is an unusually crass example of that,
 
This paid idiot wants us to believe that if we protested Iraq, questioned the Patriot Act or opposed imperial wars we should now be wearing our masks and believing the bullshit about cov19, SUPER VIRUS. He wants us to absorb the subliminal idea these things are a continuum.
 
Only imperialists question THIS imperialist move. Revolutionaries mask up and do as they’re told.
 
 

Expat
Expat
Jun 22, 2020 10:37 AM
Reply to  JonnyT

I am wondering how to reply to you, but that is mostly because I frankly can’t understand what you wrote. Are you saying that Covid and Masks are the tools of communist revolutionaries trying to subvert democracy? Or are you simply intentionally distorting what I wrote because it conflicts with your views and makes you angry?
If you could stop, breathe deeply and start all over, I would be happy to engage.

JonnyT
JonnyT
Jun 22, 2020 11:11 AM
Reply to  Expat

I would have thought my opening para was clear enough even for a paid troll to grasp
 

I have seen a definite attempt recently, clumsily executed as usual by the 77th foot soldiers, to redefine social obedience as radical and revolutionary. This comment of yours is an unusually crass example of that,

 
But since apparently I was wrong, let me explain.
 
In the last few days I’ve seen posts and comments and articles in various locations promoting the idea that resisting any aspect of the covid-19 authoritarianism equates with social conformity, conservatism and imperialism, as when you say “I strongly suspect that the same people who claim Covid is a lie and the measures taken were an assault on their freedoms also cheered loudly when the Patriot Acts were put in place.
 
This is obviously senseless and obviously an attempt to get intuitively questioning people to do the doublethink and believe that social conformity (ie mask wearing and unquestioning acceptance of the cov19 story) is on a continuum with previous examples of resistance and radicalism. So that they will wear their masks and equate that with the same idealism and radicalism that goes with opposing imperialism.
 
To put it even more simply, you are trying to seed the idea that obedience is the new resistance, that up is down and freedom is slavery.
 
 
 

Expat
Expat
Jun 22, 2020 11:31 AM
Reply to  JonnyT

So, you are saying that because I disagree with your delusional conspiracy theories, I am a paid troll and a communist infiltrator of sorts? So anyone who disagrees with you does so only out of venal interest. Doesn’t this make your entire life one giant conspiracy and a long series of arguments? Are you married? If your wife doesn’t want to eat Chinese or have sex do you accuse her of being paid by Soros or the North Koreans? just curious.
 
I frankly don’t know the reference to the 77th Foot Soldiers but assume it’s some inside code used by paranoid, right-wing conspiracy theorists to describe anyone who dares contradict their narrow world view and willful ignorance. So sorry about that.
 
I also never said that resisting all Covid authoritarianism was wrong. but you have intentionally twisted both my words and my intentions. It is clear from reading comments and articles across the internet and print media that the right has a far greater tendency to deny science in general and Covid in particular. So any anti-Covid measures are declared to be attacks on your freedom by Soros, Hillary, the Communist Internationale and probably minorities. The right tends to cheerfully support the Patriot Acts as well, which is ironic since the right also rants about Big Government and the Deep State. So you support a gigantic secret organization that operates with almost no oversight and with almost total disregard for our Constitutional rights, but you freak out over the idea of behaving in a socially responsible manner to prevent a pandemic from killing millions. That is the irony, hypocrisy and contradiction I was describing.
 
The 2nd Amendment provides for the right to bear arms. it does not allow you to shoot people randomly in the street. The 1st Amendment provides for freedom of speech. It does not allow you to shout “fire” in a crowded movie theater. The social contract is just that, a contract between citizens. The constitution and nation have several prime goals, the first of which is the preservation of the nation itself above and beyond the preservation of any individual. The constitution and nation both explicitly permit the State to sacrifice some of it citizenry to protect itself. So now the State is telling people to sacrifice a small portion of their freedoms to save millions.
 
The problem here is not that we are debating civil rights. The problem is that we are debating science. Since it appears that few on your side of the argument believe in the science of the pandemic, there is almost no point arguing the politics.
 
But if you are going to respond to every post that contradicts your delusions or valid views with cries of “fake news” or “paid troll” this won’t do anything to make your arguments credible. It achieves quite the opposite. You seem incapable of arguing facts and logic so you just revert to ad hominem attacks and straw men.
 
Now, feel free to call me a hillary lover, a Soros troll, or any other ridiculous epithet that soothes your conspirationally twisted mind and brings a smile to the various right-wing factions here, but it really doesn’t matter in the end.

Admin1
Admin
Admin1
Jun 22, 2020 11:44 AM
Reply to  Expat

You appear to be arguing against some form of internalised right wing stereotype rather than engaging with what the commenter actually said. He/she believes you are trying to gaslight people into seeing social conformity as the new radicalism. Maybe address that and omit the long rant about Libertarian clichés, none of which seem relevant.

The 77th Brigade is a portion of the British Army dedicated to cyber warfare

Liberty Mike
Liberty Mike
Jun 22, 2020 10:15 PM
Reply to  Expat

Please identify the “delusional conspiracy theories” to which you asseverate Jonny T subscribes.
 
Please identify the assertions made by Jonny T that support your contention that he supports “a gigantic secret organization that operates with almost no oversight and with almost total disregard for our Constitutional rights.”
 
Which particular provision of the federal constitution “explicitly permit[s] the State to sacrifice some of its citizenry to protect itself?”
 

kevin
kevin
Jun 22, 2020 10:14 PM
Reply to  JonnyT

The attempt to couple obedience to the state’s Covid dictates with opposition to the surveillance state is hilariously twisted of course. The lockdown and other recent measures are clearly on a continuum with the Patriot Act, which is why those who now oppose the former also opposed the latter in 2001.
 

Patrick C
Patrick C
Jun 22, 2020 2:33 AM

One of the best pieces of writing I’ve seen on the Covid nightmare. Language does indeed matter but so does swallowing other bits of propaganda like chum from a trawler. I’m referring to that unnecessary bit of anti-Soviet apocryphalism. So Soviet children never had swimming pools thus they were in fact marched along like little automatons? Amazing logic there. I went to grade school in Kansas when there was segregation. And guess what the schools for black kids didn’t have swimming pools either. Come to think of it neither did we. Funny that. You know who did have swimming pools though? The school for military kids. Yup I had a friend take me there. Pretty posh it was too.
So as much as I admired what you wrote and will probably share because it’s so important well, it just left me with a kind of icky feeling. Don’t you have any idea of the shit they were pulling on the CCCP back in the day? It helped prepare is for this. It really did.

Paul B.
Paul B.
Jun 21, 2020 10:05 PM

For the collection of anecdotic evidence and weasel words from modern Russia (where I am currently stuck): here there is no “quarantine” or “emergency situation”, both of which also have inconvenient for the govt legal definitions and conditions, but nice, fluffy and seemingly consensual “self-isolation”, of which citizenry is gently reminded by means of about $60 fines for violation (old age state pension is about 3-4 times that, AFAIK).

Steve Hartwell
Steve Hartwell
Jun 21, 2020 4:16 PM

Because of COVID-19 we all instantly forgot that the world economy was already teetering on the brink of collapse due to the technologies of AI, Automation, and Online Shopping being well on the way to eliminating 70 to 90 percent of all jobs. The 1 percenters don’t need we 99 percenters anymore. Diabolically, the 1 percenters can now blame it all on COVID-19 instead. Furthermore, because of COVID-19, is their getting to put in place the “tools” to instantly put down mass revolts against their global dictatorship takeover of the whole world. The question we 99 percenters should be asking is, what do the 1 percenters intend to do with us now that they don’t need nor want us anymore.

jess
jess
Jun 21, 2020 6:19 PM
Reply to  Steve Hartwell

focus on healing the terrain. many people are acting to plant food and learn the truth about detoxification symptoms and the age of enlightenment rapidly becoming manifest.

Patrick C
Patrick C
Jun 22, 2020 2:08 AM
Reply to  Steve Hartwell

What do they want to do with us? In a word depopulate. Starting with the global South, the elderly everywhere, except their families, e.g. George 80+ Soros, African Americans, China and India. The last 2 present a bit of a problem as they’re not going to go willingly, especially well armed, highly organized China.

David Klim
David Klim
Jun 21, 2020 2:09 PM

Lies damned lies and more BS by the writer…
Amazing how poorly the US has done because of self serving spin doctors who sold their soul for a buck. YAY!!! MAGA!!! just eliminate any dissenters by any means and any facts that don’t fit. A great group of chronic liars!

gratzite
gratzite
Jun 21, 2020 9:41 AM

Amazing how it has been accepted worldwide. Credit due to those who managed to get such total conformity, an experiment in the control of the population perhaps. Where is the anger in demonstration of this ridiculous imposition?

Dan
Dan
Jun 21, 2020 9:38 AM

Don’t you find it interesting that countries that buy their oil from Russia never gave one damn about covid, while everyone else did? Very few exceptions on this. My pet theory on this is that covid, for us, is cover for the economic crash. For china it worked for well for them giving them the advantage to capture Hong Kong.
 
At this point I can’t even prove to myself that covid exists, or that anyone, anywhere has died from it.

Patrick C
Patrick C
Jun 22, 2020 2:15 AM
Reply to  Dan

“worked well for [China] … to capture Hong Kong.”
As it could for the UK to capture Manchester, or say the USA to capture New Orleans, or maybe Russia to capture St. Petersburg or… That seems to be a thing these days, say something smart followed by something really stupid.

Dan
Dan
Jun 22, 2020 3:27 AM
Reply to  Patrick C

You should look up what a logical fallacy is. That would be the smartest thing you could do. And I mean you specifically.

Patrick C
Patrick C
Jun 22, 2020 8:29 AM
Reply to  Dan

Got any particular one in mind Dan? There are lots of them. And when you reply to me, addressing me directly, I get that you mean me. A little pedantic don’tcha think?

Dan
Dan
Jun 22, 2020 9:01 AM
Reply to  Patrick C

Not really, especially if you have to ask which logical fallacy you perpetrated.

jeremy
jeremy
Jun 21, 2020 7:00 AM

The biggest contagion we face is ignorance, currently spreading like wildfire. Who offers the sane population protection from that social disease?

Willem
Willem
Jun 21, 2020 7:56 AM
Reply to  jeremy

Gullibility kills

T Wise
T Wise
Jun 21, 2020 4:14 AM

Do you think that the people of NJ have demonstrated that it’s time to run or that we are turning a corner?

Doly Garcia
Doly Garcia
Jun 20, 2020 10:26 PM

Good title for the article. You should have clarified, though, that it was the content of the article that was lies and damned lies. Just to pick your list in the middle:
 
“We were told the virus would kill millions in the US alone, and that was false.”
 
We weren’t told that. We were told that it might happen, under certain conditions, that is, if nobody did a thing to stop the virus from spreading. Things were done to stop the spread. However, it’s also true that some of those things are no longer being done, and we still don’t have very effective treatments or a vaccine. So the numbers could still go up to millions, if those places that have decided to ease restrictions too much don’t reverse course. It’s only a bit more than a hundred thousand dead now, so there is certainly the potential for it to go to millions, given a bit of time.
 
“We were told lockdowns would make it go away, and that was false.”
 
If by “make it go away” you mean make the virus disappear completely, we were never told that. If you mean that it would reduce the spread and the number of cases, that is exactly what’s happened.
 
“We were told we would only be confined until the rate of new cases leveled off, and that was false.”
 
We weren’t told that. We were told the restrictions would continue until the rate of new cases was low enough, and that’s exactly what’s happened. We were never told that the restrictions would be eliminated completely when the cases were low enough, we were told that wouldn’t happen until there is an effective treatment or vaccine.
 
“We were told that anyone who questioned the wisdom of the draconian restrictions foisted on us by our governments was a crypto-Nazi whose real goal was to kill off the weak — and that was false, not to mention slanderous.”
 
We weren’t told that, though saying that might be close to the mark. After all, why should I believe you about your motives when you tell so many lies about other issues?
 
“Most unforgivably of all, we were told — and told, and told — that morality was entirely on the side of the democracy-destroyers.”
 
Let’s put aside the fact that you cannot destroy something that exists no longer (democracy in America). It just happens that morality is invariably on the side of those that avoid killing people, accidentally or on purpose. And the only reason why economic damage is dangerous to lives in the States, is because your whole healthcare and welfare system is immoral and designed to kill poor people for the crime of being poor. In other countries, economic damage doesn’t kill people so easily.
 

Dr. Truth
Dr. Truth
Jun 20, 2020 10:56 PM
Reply to  Doly Garcia

>We weren’t told that. We were told that it might happen, under certain conditions, that is, if nobody did a thing to stop the virus from spreading. Things were done to stop the spread.
 
MOSTLY TRUE
 
Some of the models predicted millions of deaths no matter counter-measures. I’ll try to find and most here later.
 
In any event, there are a number of countries, worldwide, including Japan — one of the most densely populated countries in the world – NEVER LOCKED DOWN — NEVER ISOLATED — did NOT experience millions of deaths — not even close.
 
Unless you are talking about hazmat suites, masks are basically useless.
 
i.e., no “things” that may have been done actually had any meaningful impact — certainly nothing that would explain the drop from “MILLIONS!!!” to just over 100,000 (at worst).
 
BOTTOM LINE: unless you are already suffering from a life threatening illness, COV+ID 19 is basically harmless. And no surprise: FAUCI knew that from the beginning — published a report in the New England School of Medicine predicted something a kin to the flu. He was right from the start:
 

 
 

jess
jess
Jun 21, 2020 5:47 PM
Reply to  Dr. Truth

the virologist stefan lanka has videos expplaining pathogenic viruses do not exist at all. on dr morses channel you can learn how easy it is to clear up such lymphatic expressions with fruit.

Trojan House
Trojan House
Jun 21, 2020 1:51 AM
Reply to  Doly Garcia

It’s funny how everyone says that by “locking down” or “sheltering in place” actually reduced the number of cases and deaths of the virus. While it may look like this worked on the surface, the fact of the matter is that it can never be proven that it actually worked. Why? Because of exactly what you said. The only way to maybe prove it is to end the sheltering in place and actually see what happens and then compare that to the all the measures that were taken. I think if you look at states like Florida and Texas, I think you can almost say that lockdown measures actually did nothing but again, hard to prove.

Paul B.
Paul B.
Jun 21, 2020 10:26 PM
Reply to  Trojan House

Another way is to look at the curve of new cases and see if a week or two after implementing the measures it got a bend — not on the curves I saw, educational one was U.K. vs. Sweden per capita, basically the same, nothing noticeable after U.K. measures introduced…

Dave
Dave
Jun 21, 2020 9:01 AM
Reply to  Doly Garcia

Dead people within the (flatten the) curve were always going to be the same number.

House arrest was just to slow the spread. Remember?

jess
jess
Jun 21, 2020 6:00 PM
Reply to  Dave

there is no virus. it is a fraud thru and thru like flu season is flu vaccine marketing season leading to lack of preventative measures like sunbathing and eating fruit.

Dave
Dave
Jun 21, 2020 6:13 PM
Reply to  jess

I completely agree Jess.
You might find these interesting if you haven’t seen them already.
Part one

Part two

My missus has had a terrible time with one of her teeth. She managed to get it drilled with the promise of treatment in two weeks. It’s been over a month now. Frequent rinses with salty boiled water seem to be keeping it at bay.
Just thought hope this is the right Jess?
Saw another comment somewhere about dentists.

James Morgan
James Morgan
Jun 20, 2020 8:37 PM

I prefer the phrase “cowering in place”. Makes more sense to me.

Tom_12
Tom_12
Jun 21, 2020 8:22 AM
Reply to  James Morgan

I like “house arrest”.

Waldorf
Waldorf
Jun 22, 2020 7:00 AM
Reply to  James Morgan

“Hiding under the bed” is how I see it. Because viruses can’t get you there, they say.

hes
hes
Jun 20, 2020 7:29 PM

You know exactly nothing. This thing is not over yet.

Robert Gipson
Robert Gipson
Jun 21, 2020 5:52 AM
Reply to  hes

You hope.

Rhodes
Rhodes
Jun 20, 2020 4:51 PM

Great writing, Michael.
 
Thanks.

tonyopmoc
tonyopmoc
Jun 20, 2020 4:44 PM

Just had my first hug from a friend since February. She came round with her Fiancéon their push bikes…So this is the inside story from a GP’s surgery a few miles from where we live.
 
Everything was fine until late in March, when the propaganda really kicked in – and all the staff ran away apart from two, who kept the place open.
 
He says to her “We can’t run it without a Receptionist”
 
She says to him, “My Daughter’s a Receptionist -well she was till they shut the vets down and fired her”
 
I think the original Receptionist will realise that she has lost her job, when she tries to come back.
 
The moral of this story is don’t be afraid of the Corona Virus, or you are very likely to lose your job, whilst others kept on working, and were not afraid of catching the latest flu, and they have got the job that you used to do.
 
Tony
 
 

Fort Hay
Fort Hay
Jun 20, 2020 4:31 PM

So I just booked travel to Bolsonaro country where I expect to be safer than here in the US

Gwyn
Gwyn
Jun 20, 2020 2:07 PM

I burst out laughing yesterday evening when I saw Marcus Rashford (who plays football for Manchester United) down on one knee and simultaneously doing the Black Power salute. He looked bloody ridiculous (as did all the other players, who were also down on one knee).

Gwyn
Gwyn
Jun 20, 2020 4:46 PM
Reply to  Gwyn

Absurdity upon absurdity: the players had Black Lives Matter printed on the back of their shirts.

Gwyn
Gwyn
Jun 20, 2020 9:18 PM
Reply to  Gwyn

And the shirts have got the NHS logo (inside a heart symbol) on the front…

Jason Carbert
Jason Carbert
Jun 20, 2020 11:19 AM

apparently there was a demo in stutgart where a leading opponent of the lockdowns was speaking. reporters from the tv channel zdf turned up and a large banner went up. an object was thrown on the stage that was later determined to be a bomb but for some reason did not explode. the organisers of the demos buses had been set on fire.

Antonym
Antonym
Jun 20, 2020 9:59 AM

“We Had Every Reason to Be Prepared for This Pandemic
Time and time again, experts foretold of a coronavirus-type outbreak”
https://elemental.medium.com/will-we-be-prepared-for-the-next-pandemic-history-says-probably-not-dff30182db95

TED talk about this from 2015: https://www.ted.com/talks/bill_gates_the_next_outbreak_we_re_not_ready/up-next

Now you know: neither Obama or Trump were in bed with Gates. Fauci was also MIA.
Lockdowns could have been short and local IF….

Tom_12
Tom_12
Jun 20, 2020 9:19 AM

Some may find it enlightening to hear Dr. Plotkin under oath describing the vaccine business,
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Ua4XDuWo9I
His full testimony is 9 hrs long. Segments of it are very interesting. Especially when it come to money.

Lost in a dark wood
Lost in a dark wood
Jun 20, 2020 10:55 PM
Reply to  Tom_12

I’ve not watched the full deposition, but Del Bigtree has been presenting sections in various episodes of The HighWire. I don’t know if any vaccine expert has dared take the stand since Plotkin, but I imagine they would now be extremely reticent about doing so.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stanley_Plotkin
Stanley Alan Plotkin (born May 12, 1932[1]) is an American physician who works as a consultant to vaccine manufacturers, such as Sanofi Pasteur, as well as biotechnology firms, non-profits and governments. In the 1960s, he played a pivotal role in discovery of a vaccine against rubella virus while working at Wistar Institute in Philadelphia. Plotkin was a member of Wistar’s active research faculty from 1960 to 1991. Today, in addition to his emeritus appointment at Wistar, he is emeritus professor of Pediatrics at the University of Pennsylvania. His book, Vaccines,[2][3] is the standard reference on the subject.[4][5] He is an editor with Clinical and Vaccine Immunology, which is published by the American Society for Microbiology in Washington, D.C..

The following is the Plotkin playlist at The HighWire and I suggest starting with #4 since it includes an introduction by Bigtree.

#1: King Of Vaccines Comes Clean! – Plotkin On Vaccines
The HighWire with Del Bigtree
17 Jan 2019

The world’s leading authority on vaccines, Dr Stanley Plotkin M.D. gives details on the use of aborted babies in vaccines while under oath. Stanley Alan Plotkin is an American physician who works as a consultant to vaccine manufacturers, such as Sanofi Pasteur, as well as biotechnology firms, non-profits and governments. In 1960, Plotkin was a leader in the development of the rubella (German measles) vaccine. In this tell all interview Plotkin reveals the shocking ingredients used to generate vaccines. The most horrific one is discussed in the video above, aborted fetal organs.

#2: Coming Clean About Vaccine Safety

#3: Experimenting On The Handicapped?!
Stanley Plotkin, the world’s leading authority on vaccines, details a dark history of vaccine testing, including the practice of experimenting on the handicapped.

#4: Godfather of Vaccines Under Oath
Episode 94 streamed live on 17 Jan 2019
The Plotkin section starts at: 30:00

Lost in a dark wood
Lost in a dark wood
Jun 20, 2020 11:54 PM

In the above discussion Bigtree refers to the following interview with Dr. Theresa Deisher regarding stem cells.

The Truth About Stem Cells
27 Apr 2018
Trailblazing stem cell researcher Dr. Theresa Deisher, Ph.D. tells all.
From episode 56 of The HighWire.

Tom_12
Tom_12
Jun 21, 2020 8:53 AM

So Little George Bush did something good for Mankind ??? I almost can’t bring myself to believe that. Is there no hidden agenda in that decision ? 🙂

Lost in a dark wood
Lost in a dark wood
Jun 21, 2020 1:09 PM
Reply to  Tom_12

The actual decision to ban embryonic research was probably argued around the notion that he had to recognise his base support. But my suspicion is that Dubya is a generally decent person who’s caught up in a thoroughly evil system and culture; hence he plays the fool and was only half there most of the time*. However, his parents, Obama, Hillary etc were/are fully engaged in the sickness.

* This is how he’s portrayed in the satanic “I, Pet Goat II” and I think it’s probably accurate. BTW, I have only a superficial knowledge of all the symbolism.

Tom_12
Tom_12
Jun 21, 2020 1:59 PM

To be honest I likewise suspect that he was not the worst. The mere fact that (if I recall correctly) he smoked weed and partied while supposedly in the National Guard leads me to think that he wanted nothing of what the Power Group had to offer. His reaction to the planes hitting NY while in the school look very genuine which suggest the guy had human feelings unlike Cheney or Hillary.

Tom
Tom
Jun 22, 2020 4:30 PM
Reply to  Tom_12

I think his reaction to the planes hitting NY while in the school look like he was trying to hide something.

Waldorf
Waldorf
Jun 22, 2020 8:30 PM
Reply to  Tom

I had the impression he suddenly realised that being President was no bowl of cherries and perhaps he was not up to it. I didn’t make any deeper interpretation of someone I still regard as one of America’s dumbest Presidents.

Tom_12
Tom_12
Jun 21, 2020 8:31 AM

Nice summary. Thanks for putting it in here as it will help people to find the interesting parts !!!
I managed to listen to 1 1/2 of his 9 hr testimony. Toward that end of that 1 1/2 hr. he talks about how the money from the patents and other remunerations. Obviously the guy is very rich from making these “cocktails”.
I’m of the opinion that people are very naive taking flu shots each year for something that is a moving target (mutating viruses).

Lost in a dark wood
Lost in a dark wood
Jun 22, 2020 9:59 AM
Reply to  Tom_12

The following is truly horrific and should really have a “viewer discretion” warning attached. In this recent interview with RFK Jr, Deisher describes the procedure for extracting tissues and organs from living babies up to 6 months post conception. Starting around the 1970s there was a switch from using animal to fetal cells for the preparation of vaccines. Although Deisher states that this was driven largely by animal rights activism, I suspect there were other agenda in operation. Deisher also discusses how the animal-based preparations are generally safer for vaccine use in humans and specifically how the embryonic cells can lead to cancer.

 
RFK, Jr. Discusses Aborted Fetal Tissue and Vaccines with Dr. Theresa Deisher
June 17, 2020
 
On June 15th, Robert F. Kennedy, Jr. interviewed the founder and president of Sound Choice Pharmaceutical Institute, Dr. Theresa Deisher, on the use of aborted fetal tissue in vaccines. Mr. Kennedy and Dr. Deisher covered a wide range of topics including which vaccines contain human fetal tissue, what the existing research tells us in terms of health risks, and what alternatives might be used in place of human DNA in vaccines.
https://childrenshealthdefense.org/news/robert-f-kennedy-jr-q-a-with-dr-theresa-deisher/

 
Children’s Health Defense
 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KL0iU6owbeE
 

Willem
Willem
Jun 20, 2020 6:49 AM

The lawsuit that was brought by Willem Engel to the Dutch state to immediately end the lockdown has been cancelled as the judge decided that ‘when so many experts consider a lockdown as important, it must be true’

So we in Academia can be proud as we really achieved something! That is very different to our usual routine where we only talk and are kings of kingdoms that are as great as a needle pin.

Anyway, I am reading Mackay’s book extreme popular delusions and the madness of crowds and am with the alchemists now. I always thought that they were seen as idiots even in their own time, but that was not the case: they were highly esteemed ‘scientists’ in their time and visited kings courts. It didn’t always went well with alchemists. What mattered is ‘what’ they were alchemist in and what truths they knew. As long as they were busy to make Gold out of brass, it was fine. Similar as to experts who are busy with making Truth out of bullshit.

I know that many experts hold homeopathy in low esteem as ‘it cannot work’ as it is ‘diluted medicine’.

But in my opinion homeopathy is more to believed, even as a diluted medicine, as compared to experts medicine related to lockdowns which is based on nothing.

Lost in a dark wood
Lost in a dark wood
Jun 20, 2020 7:38 AM
Reply to  Willem

I’ve had Mackay on the bookshelf for around a year, but so far I’ve only dipped into it. Have you read Gulliver’s Travels, and specifically the section on Laputa? It’s the best depiction of Enlightenment expertism which I know of.

Willem
Willem
Jun 20, 2020 8:28 AM

I agree!

Has been a time ago that I read the voyage to laputa, but I remember that the laputians lived in misery because the scientist were able to keep the island afloat. And that anyone who was able to leave the island (very difficult) never wanted to return which laputians didn’t understand since their island was such a great place to live. And that officials could only talk with each other through flappers (the media). There is even a paragraph on climate change in that story (have to look it up)

But yes, I agree that the voyage to laputa is a great satire towards society in which we live today

Willem
Willem
Jun 20, 2020 8:41 AM
Reply to  Willem

Found it

‘These people are under continual disquietudes, never enjoying a minutes peace of mind; and their disturbances proceed from causes which very little affect the rest of mortals. Their apprehensions arise from several changes they dread in the celestial bodies: for instance, that the earth, by the continual approaches of the sun towards it, must, in course of time, be absorbed, or swallowed up; that the face of the sun, will, by degrees, be encrusted with its own effluvia, and give no more light to the world; that the earth very narrowly escaped a brush from the tail of the last comet, which would have infallibly reduced it to ashes; and that the next, which they have calculated for one-and-thirty years hence, will probably destroy us. For if, in its perihelion, it should approach within a certain degree of the sun (as by their calculations they have reason to dread) it will receive a degree of heat ten thousand times more intense than that of red hot glowing iron, and in its absence from the sun, carry a blazing tail ten hundred thousand and fourteen miles long, through which, if the earth should pass at the distance of one hundred thousand miles from the nucleus, or main body of the comet, it must in its passage be set on fire, and reduced to ashes: that the sun, daily spending its rays without any nutriment to supply them, will at last be wholly consumed and annihilated; which must be attended with the destruction of this earth, and of all the planets that receive their light from it.

They are so perpetually alarmed with the apprehensions of these, and the like impending dangers, that they can neither sleep quietly in their beds, nor have any relish for the common pleasures and amusements of life. When they meet an acquaintance in the morning, the first question is about the sun’s health, how he looked at his setting and rising, and what hopes they have to avoid the stroke of the approaching comet. This conversation they are apt to run into with the same temper that boys discover in delighting to hear terrible stories of spirits and hobgoblins, which they greedily listen to, and dare not go to bed for fear.’

Lost in a dark wood
Lost in a dark wood
Jun 20, 2020 9:37 AM
Reply to  Willem

Swift was a rare genius, but not even he could have predicted this:
 
https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/world/thunberg-has-hope-for-climate-despite-leaders-inaction/ar-BB15JZTe
 
“Such surreal memories”
 
Indeed!
 

Mike Ellwood (Oxon, UK)
Mike Ellwood (Oxon, UK)
Jun 20, 2020 10:53 PM
Reply to  Willem

As you may know, Isaac Newton dabbled (probably more than dabbled) in Alchemy.
 
https://www.nationalgeographic.com/news/2016/04/160404-isaac-newton-alchemy-mercury-recipe-chemistry-science/

Gall
Gall
Jun 20, 2020 5:29 AM

Excellent article! I gave you a five star rating. BTW the way I thought “shelter in place” looked familiar since I’ve spent some deciphering docs released through FOIA. Yep CD speak about as effective as good ol’ “duck and cover”.

steadydirt
steadydirt
Jun 20, 2020 3:15 PM
Reply to  Gall

equally useful in a microbe filled planet as ‘duck and cover ‘ was in hiroshima

Grafter
Grafter
Jun 20, 2020 12:50 AM

I have read somewhere that flushing a toilet can be hazardous as it produces tiny droplets of infected water up to 3 ft away from the bowl. So we all need to practice a bit of self restraint in future and try to avoid the curries and prune juice if we want to “stay safe”.

Waldorf
Waldorf
Jun 20, 2020 7:15 AM
Reply to  Grafter

Not flushing is probably even more hazardous and certainly unpleasant.

JudyJ
JudyJ
Jun 20, 2020 10:22 AM
Reply to  Waldorf

Waldorf
 
You may be familiar with the saying: “if it’s yellow, let it mellow; if it’s brown, flush it down”! Nothing to do with disease…a water saving reminder!

Waldorf
Waldorf
Jun 20, 2020 3:48 PM
Reply to  JudyJ

And if it looks like rice water, you have cholera and should report to your nearest medical facility pronto.

JudyJ
JudyJ
Jun 20, 2020 10:17 AM
Reply to  Grafter

And no doubt there are many people now convinced this is unique to SARS-CoV2. I recall reading about the real dangers of infection via flushed toilets many, many years ago and have never been complacent about flushing a toilet ever since, especially in public places. If people weren’t worried about this previously they need to be told that Covid-19 is the least of their worries from flushing a toilet!
 
Just one example of a study…pre Covid19.
 
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/28683156/

Mike Ellwood (Oxon, UK)
Mike Ellwood (Oxon, UK)
Jun 20, 2020 10:55 PM
Reply to  Grafter

Put the toilet seat cover down before flushing.

Aldous Hexley
Aldous Hexley
Jun 20, 2020 12:38 AM

(Again my post below on stipulations of the new Newsom Mandate has no reply function.)
 
This morning I woke to O-G comments suggesting that now even driving alone in a vehicle requires the mask so I wrote to the Governor and expressed myself on this.
 
One of my points in the letter relates to the “persons exempt” part of the below. I told him:
 
Personally, I cannot wear a mask for very long before it becomes life-threatening. I am 84 years old. The mask causes shortness of breath, feelings of suffocation, racing heart.”
 
I also mentioned in digest form what we have been discussing here these past two months as dissection of the Official Narrative, including reference to Dr. Ioannidis
 
I then took off on a trip to test what I thought was a required mask wearing while driving alone in a vehicle.
 
I must have passed at least 100 vehicles, some with passengers, and no masks being worn whatever.
 
In a supermarket where I entered with mask (I can stand about 10 minutes of it only) I bantered with other customers clearly not convinced by the Governor and even quite merry about it.
 
In a post office I unfortunately entered singing, “Stop children what’s that sound everybody look what’s going down” (Stephen Stills) to two young people swathed in black masks and staring down into their phones. This led to a sort of shrinking-away-from-the-terrorist sort of response, but thankfully no highway patrol came screaming after me following.
 
The relaxed, skeptical, but putting up with it for the moment continued much as I reported the other day. Most people were friendly and helpful.
 
It seemed to me (again) that a relaxed attitude might indicate a collapsing narrative–I wouldn’t say collapsed, but use the progressive tense–thus calling for further attention from the authorities.
 
Fauci said today that the problem with Americans is they do not like “science” or “authority.”
 
Newsom:
 
“Science shows that face coverings and masks work,” said Governor Gavin Newsom.
 
“They are critical to keeping those who are around you safe, keeping businesses open and restarting our economy.”
 
~
 
In the face of all this appeal to “science” and “father knows best” it interests me we have the following MSM note on the virus, re credibility of the OFFN, and what Fauci, and Newsom must deal with–in terms of a spreading confusion and disbelief.
 
“The coronavirus mainly is spread though coughs and sneezes. For most people, it causes mild or moderate symptoms, such as fever and cough, that clear up in two to three weeks. For some, especially older adults and people with existing health problems, it can cause more severe illness, including pneumonia and death.”
 
https://www.usnews.com/news/best-states/california/articles/2020-04-05/california-county-orders-all-residents-to-wear-masks
 
 

Aldous Hexley
Aldous Hexley
Jun 20, 2020 12:58 AM
Reply to  Aldous Hexley

Thank you Admin! I tried to use the reply on the email you sent me re: getting the REPLY function working, but the message wouldn’t go.
 
So here I repeat it. You guys are great to have as admin and moderators, best ever in my experience (of several forums), in encouraging a real, flowing discussion.
 
Let’s keep going. We’re having a fine community here, best I’ve been in.

Gall
Gall
Jun 20, 2020 5:19 AM
Reply to  Aldous Hexley

So far the Recall effort to remove King Newscum is in full swing since he issued the mandatory masks proclamation. One Change.com recall petition’s numbers are rising faster than the National Debt. Hopefully he’ll suffer the same fate as Gray Davis. Frankly I don’t care who replaces him except for Moon Beam Gerry Brown. Otherwise it’s all good.
 
I don’t know what you Brits can do about your tin pot despots ‘cept maybe show up at 10 Downing with pitch forks and torches.

Waldorf
Waldorf
Jun 22, 2020 7:03 AM
Reply to  Aldous Hexley

Americans don’t like science – that is true and explains why so many are religious believers compared to Europeans. As to authority, I think more Americans are distrustful and rebellious compared to Europeans but I do not think that is a bad thing.

Aldous Hexley
Aldous Hexley
Jun 19, 2020 11:53 PM

I was a little confused from comments in the thread yesterday. Here’s what I’ve got as the Official New Mandate; all the following from source at bottom of this note:
 
Review of Newsom’s new order June 17-18:
 
California Coronavirus Update: Governor Gavin Newsom Mandates Masks In Public Spaces, With Some Exceptions 
On Wednesday, Governor Gavin Newsom announced that everyone in the state will now be required to wear face masks in public.
 
The order seeks to prevent those infected with coronavirus — but not showing symptoms — from spreading it, according to the California Department of Public Health.
 
Specifically, Californians must wear masks in these circumstances:
 
-Inside of, or in line to enter, any indoor public space
 
-Waiting for or riding on public transportation
 
-Engaged in work, whether at the workplace or performing work off-site (with exceptions noted below)
 
-While outdoors in public spaces and less that 6 feet from others (exceptions below)
The news comes as the state has suffered over 5,000 deaths from the disease and has recorded 160,000 cases. See the press release from the state health department here.
 
The fine print requirements of the order include wearing masks in the following places:
 
-Inside of, or in line to enter, any indoor public space; Obtaining services from the healthcare sector in settings including, but not limited to, a hospital, pharmacy, medical clinic, laboratory, physician or dental office, veterinary clinic, or blood bank;
 
-Waiting for or riding on public transportation or paratransit or while in a taxi, private car service, or ride-sharing vehicle;
– While engaged in work, whether at the workplace or performing work off-site, when:
 
a. Interacting in-person with any member of the public;
 
b. Working in any space visited by members of the public, regardless of whether anyone from the public is present at the time;
 
c. Working in any space where food is prepared or packaged for sale or distribution to others;
 
d. Working in or walking through common areas, such as hallways, stairways, elevators, and parking facilities;
 
e. In any room or enclosed area where other people (except for members of the person’s own household or residence) are present when unable to physically distance.
 
f. Driving or operating any public transportation or paratransit vehicle, taxi, or private car service or ride-sharing vehicle when passengers are present. When no passengers are present, face coverings are strongly recommended.
 
-While outdoors in public spaces when maintaining a physical distance of six feet from persons who are not members of the same household or residence is not feasible.
 
“Science shows that face coverings and masks work,” said Governor Gavin Newsom.
 
“They are critical to keeping those who are around you safe, keeping businesses open and restarting our economy.”
 
Persons exempt:
 
-Children aged two and under
 
-Persons with a medical, mental health, or developmental disability that prevents wearing a face covering
 
-Persons who are hearing impaired, or communicating with a person who is hearing impaired, where the ability to see the mouth is essential for communication
 
-Persons for whom wearing a face covering would create a risk to the person related to their work, as determined by local, state, or federal regulators or workplace safety guidelines
 
-Persons who are obtaining a service involving the nose or face for which temporary removal of the face covering is necessary to perform the service
 
-Persons who are seated at a restaurant or other establishment that offers food or beverage service, while they are eating or drinking, provided that they are able to maintain a distance of at least six feet away from persons who are not members of the same household or residence
 
-Persons who are engaged in outdoor work or recreation such as swimming, walking, hiking, bicycling, or running, when alone or with household members, and when they are able to maintain a distance of at least six feet from others
 
-Persons who are incarcerated. Prisons and jails, as part of their mitigation plans, will have specific guidance on the wearing of face coverings of masks for both inmates and staff.
 
 
Above from:
 
 
https://deadline.com/2020/06/california-coronavirus-governor-gavin-newsom-mandates-masks-in-all-public-spaces-1202962998/
 
 

A leaf
A leaf
Jun 20, 2020 5:42 AM
Reply to  Aldous Hexley

Ff with this bullshit already, hate them so much

Dungroanin
Dungroanin
Jun 19, 2020 10:24 PM
Reply to  Hail

What panic and lockdown in Berlin do you refer to?

As far as I know – Germany reacted earlier, tested and traced and managed to keep the CV deaths to flu levels with these measures (which aren’t deployed for flus generally )

el Gallinazo
el Gallinazo
Jun 19, 2020 8:31 PM

Actually, there is very strong evidence that the corvid-19 “pandemic” is not “real,” but rather a false statistical artifact by a global group of oligarchs that controls 95% of “medicine” and all of the corporate media. Like the Gulf of Tonkin “incident” it was easier to fabricate this pandemic out of whole cloth than to actually release a lethal virus, which could have had unpredictable consequences. There was actually no need for the author to say that it was “real” which was his own act of unsupported fiat. He could have simply chosen to ignore that issue if he felt that raising it would open him up to “conspiracy theory” arguments. Perhaps he might debunk Dr. Andrew Kaufman’s claims in a separate article that the “virus” was never properly isolated or tested by Koch Postulates for being a pathogen. Furthermore, it would be quite impossible to develop a valid test as the virus was never isolated, and the entire “pandemic” rests on the cornerstone of the TEST. All cases are built on a positive for the TEST. What separates a “traditional” pneumonia or flu death from a novel coronavirus death? THE TEST. In summery, the rabbit hole goes a lot deeper than even this article indicates.

Kalen
Kalen
Jun 19, 2020 8:11 PM

Update from delusional COVID world of MoA, as B again is warning about new wave of COVID justifying usage of face masks blaming “fools” who refuse to wear them.

Readers disagree with big B who is actually a fool:

Your contention that “The primary function of a mask is not to protect the person who wears it, but to protect the other persons who are around” is illogical. You’re saying that an infected person wearing a face mask cannot spread the coronavirus into the air, however, that implies that the face mask can filter the virus out of the air if it is exhaled but can’t filter out the virus if one is inhaling through the mask. I’m not aware of face masks having this magical one-way filtering property. They either filter out the virus or they don’t. Face masks should be worn by people who are coughing or sneezing. The American Medical Association (AMA) has stated that masks should only be worn by sick people who are coughing and sneezing and not by those who are well. For those who are sick and coughing and sneezing, the mask helps to contain the macro- and microscopic fluid droplets ejected, all of which may contain infectious micro-organisms.

Posted by: Famous Mikey | Jun 19 2020 18:24 utc | 8

MoA readers are waking up from torpor.

Dungroanin
Dungroanin
Jun 19, 2020 9:02 PM
Reply to  Kalen

Aerosols are also dispersed by speaking and mouth breathers, like some round here. Including non symptomatics.

So for enclosed public places it makes sense to have an added layer of ppe, along with the washing hands and not touching your face in such environs , generally, never mind now, so having that extra barrier may even work by allowing people to scratch their nose!

However, I don’t think it a good idea having exercise with a mask or wearing within your home all day.

Gall
Gall
Jun 20, 2020 5:25 AM
Reply to  Dungroanin

Just as much “sense” as lighting your hair on fire and beating it out with a mallet.

Tom_12
Tom_12
Jun 20, 2020 8:17 AM
Reply to  Kalen

I stopped wasting my time leaving comments there as anything that is not along his “party line” is simply deleted. Though there still can be found comments that provide good sources of information.

Grace
Grace
Jun 19, 2020 7:02 PM

Keep goin’ Michael Lesher. Thank-you for your voice.

Grace Johns
Grace Johns
Jun 19, 2020 5:40 PM

@admin IDK if this is part of the censorship of altmedia but for the last week I have not received your mailings to subscribers.

LeRuscino
LeRuscino
Jun 19, 2020 4:56 PM

Gall
Gall
Jun 20, 2020 5:34 AM
Reply to  LeRuscino

Yeah the stock market was going down like a shot duck just before Covid hit the scene except for Big Pharma stock. Funny how that goes. Reset my ass. It’s economic warfare plain and simple. What they’ve been doing to the “third world” they’re bringing it all back home. Along with color “revolutions” and other regime change BS.

Tom_12
Tom_12
Jun 20, 2020 8:20 AM
Reply to  Gall

Don’t forget how well Dalio’s crystal ball allowed him to bet billions in 2019 on a “March Surprise” in 2020 🙂

Paul
Paul
Jun 19, 2020 4:37 PM

I used to feel sorry for the people who have fallen for this bullshit. Not any more. These people deserve no pity.

Despite the best efforts of the Silicon Valley giants there is enough reputable information and statistics to dismantle the official narrative with incredible ease.

The sheep that still follow the government tripe freely admit they have lied about absolutely everything from ppe to testing, flatten the curve etc yet will believe the statistics they produce. Do these morons not realise the ONS is a government department.

Most of these people acknowledge that the media have been scaremongering yet continue to swallow the 24/7 lies and propaganda.

The government claim that they are supporting the economy by allowing retail to trade, hospitality to reopen in a few weeks. But with the nonsensical restrictions being put in place such as social distancing, wearing face nappies, limiting numbers into shops, informing pubs not to show live sport or have live music they are effectively killing the economy. What they are effectively saying is you can open but we don’t want anyone to go.

Yet businesses go along with this nonsense. They seem to be supporting their own downfall.
These are government regulations and not law.
Business owners need to grow a backbone and tell the government where to go.
Scrap social distancing, face nappies, plastic shields and all that bollocks.
If people don’t want to come in then so be it. Personal choice but a business needs to be able to operate profitably otherwise it will close.
If we all choose to boycott shops that follow these silly guidelines and refuse to accept cash then they will soon change their policy.

The government only have power because too many people have acquiesced so easily.
If we all ignore the regulations the whole thing falls flat on its face.

And what are they going to do? Close all businesses, fine everybody for not wearing face nappies.

We need to be brave, show courage and speak our truth.
No point in wasting time and energy with people who just do what they’re told and support this nonsense.
It’s got to the point now that I don’t care what people think.
Be true to yourself.
Take it or leave it.

Maxwell
Maxwell
Jun 19, 2020 4:39 PM
Reply to  Paul

Agree.

rachel
rachel
Jun 19, 2020 5:45 PM
Reply to  Paul

i think helping people who actually care is important. what i saw was psychos. they dont care n abuse people all the time. nothing new only more obvious. it is the ones who do care that matter n need to help eachother.

rachel
rachel
Jun 19, 2020 5:57 PM
Reply to  rachel

i was like i should have walked away from these people years ago. they have been undermining my purpose all along. acting nice sometimes but it wasnt love. pretty hard but i feel like my real family is out there putting in the work. its the work that is love.

Noodle
Noodle
Jun 19, 2020 6:42 PM
Reply to  Paul

My thoughts exactly 🙂

Dungroanin
Dungroanin
Jun 19, 2020 9:07 PM
Reply to  Paul

A reverse general strike?

What would the police do? How would the law be applied or not?

Humanimal
Humanimal
Jun 19, 2020 2:09 PM

Thus the once-respectable Atlantic, after months of promoting coronavirus hysteria, has published a kind of palinode that admits virtually every charge made by critics of lockdown policies

Other than being a pathetic peddler of misery and abject fear, they admit to nothing of the sort, unless you’re really clutching at straws.
 

Reg
Reg
Jun 19, 2020 1:55 PM
elsewhere
elsewhere
Jun 19, 2020 1:52 PM

A good rant by Doug Casey:
 
https://internationalman.com/articles/doug-casey-on-how-fake-science-is-used-as-propaganda/
 
Some snippets:
 
“A machine is a horrible analogy for the economy, however. It’s not a machine or a factory where you can pull levers to make magic happen—which is precisely what the Keynesians (who run the economic world today) think they can do. The economy is more like a rainforest, which is very complex. It can’t be manipulated from outside by apparatchiks enforcing rules. And if you do try to manipulate a rainforest from outside, you’re likely to destroy it.”
 
“Another important thing about COVID is that they call it a “health crisis.” That’s untrue for several reasons. First, health is something that you take care of yourself. It’s personal, not public. As wonderful and as advanced as medicine has become, it’s of little use for maintaining your health. You maintain your health through proper diet, exercise, and good habits. Medicine is about repairing damage if you have a serious injury or illness. It overlaps, obviously, but is essentially very different from health care.”
 
“I don’t know what the next massive boondoggle is going to be after this is over. You might recall the police state pictured in the excellent movie “V for Vendetta” was brought into being because of a fake virus epidemic. Talk about life imitating art! If things keep going in this direction, the US will start looking like the old USSR.

snuffleupagus
snuffleupagus
Jun 19, 2020 4:18 PM
Reply to  elsewhere

I don’t know what the next massive boondoggle is going to be after this is over.

— but somebody does; it’s already being planned.

snuffleupagus
snuffleupagus
Jun 19, 2020 4:21 PM
Reply to  elsewhere

the police state pictured in the excellent movie “V for Vendetta” was brought into being because of a fake virus epidemic.

Tom_12
Tom_12
Jun 20, 2020 8:24 AM
Reply to  elsewhere

It’s called a “health crisis” to instill fear in those who will not look deeper at the arguments presented by those who say that this is NOT a “health crisis”. Mental laziness is a nice term to describe these people’s illness.

Blane
Blane
Jun 19, 2020 1:50 PM

I believe we also need to redefine “black” and “white” in regards to people’s skin color and ethnicity. These words are opposite extremes that are meant to sow division. There’s no such thing as black or white people, we’re beige and brown, two shades of the same color.

Also, as an engineer, we’re taught that the first step to solving ANY problem is to accurately define the problem. This isn’t always easy to do so I’d like to help define the problem we’re all currently facing. The struggle is between Truth and Freedom, vs Lies and Oppression. It’s that simple. It’s not right vs left, beige vs brown, rich vs poor, criminals vs cops, or any other myriad of opposite extremes that the power structure try’s to wedge between us. It’s those that champion truth and freedom in all facets of life, vs those that seek power and wealth thru lies and oppression. Those are the battle lines, and something like 95% of people are on the same side. Unfortunately the 5% on the other side have all the money and power and are willing to do seemingly anything to maintain it.

rachel
rachel
Jun 19, 2020 2:56 PM
Reply to  Blane

no they dont. the problem is the unhealthy terrain not the “top 1%”. john rose has videos explaining how the initial mistake was when man stopped eating biophotons.

Howard
Howard
Jun 19, 2020 4:00 PM
Reply to  Blane

You faked me out. I was all in agreement that 95% are on the same side; then you threw me when you said the 5% had all the money and power. See, in my version, the 95% are the ones on the Lies and Oppression side, whether they have money and power or not; and the 5% are the ones on the Truth and Freedom side.
 
I believe my version is a better fit with the condition we’re in.

Peter Jennings
Peter Jennings
Jun 19, 2020 1:49 PM

A good posting that let itself down by including another great lie as fact. The Holohoax hasn’t been labeled as such for no good reason.
If millions were gassed and incinerated the evidence would be there, but it isn’t. People with modern technology have checked and allied photographs taken of the camps at the time scrutinised, which showed no fuel for incinerating millions of bodies.

That lie stood for over seventy years. Millions upon millions were indoctrinated with these lies during their school days and believed everything they were taught. It is probably the reason why we are now being bombarded with ever more half baked scare tactic bullshit that contradicts itself.

Steve Hayes
Steve Hayes
Jun 19, 2020 1:55 PM
Reply to  Peter Jennings

So how many people died as a result of the Holocaust?

snuffleupagus
snuffleupagus
Jun 19, 2020 8:30 PM
Reply to  Steve Hayes

six million, not one more or less.
 
this number has been known since the nineteenth century.
 
https://archive.org/details/sixmillionopengates_201907/
 
http://haldenwang.com/uploads/images/Six%20Million%20Scam%20-%20TNT.jpg

Peter Jennings
Peter Jennings
Jun 19, 2020 10:41 PM
Reply to  Steve Hayes

Auschwitz have put up numerous plagues over the years stating how many died in the camps. Those plagues had every decreasing numbers attached. Their latest figure is stated as 1 million something, although those who have done lots of research on the subject have the figure, for all the camps, at approx 700,000 or just over. Not all who died were of the jewish race either.
Most of those who died did so during the last months of the war because of allied bombing of railways which seriously affected supplies of food and medicine. Yes the camps had a hospital, along with concert halls with musical instruments and even swimming pools. That seems a bit too accommodating for a camp built purely for murder and disposal.
 
At the end of the day there is no evidence that millions died at these camps in the way described. The jewish lobby seem very keen on the 6 million figure because it had been used before the war in numerous press pieces.
 
It apparently takes around 80 kilograms of coke to burn a body. Do the math. Auschwitz would have needed to be one great coke mountain with little room for anything else.

Steve Hayes
Steve Hayes
Jun 20, 2020 12:48 PM
Reply to  Peter Jennings

Peter, your argument is an example of the well known logical fallacy called an argument from incredulity: I can’t believe it, therefore it is not true.
 
The claim that six million people the Nazis characterised as Jews were killed in the Holocaust is not merely credible, it is almost certainly as accurate as one can be when dealing with such numbers without proper records.
 
Take the demographic fact that approximately six million Jews disappeared during the war years from the Nazi controlled area of Europe.
 
Then there is the fact that the Nazis planned to kill all the eleven million Jews in Europe: see the minutes of the Wannsee Conference, which organised the whole of the state apparatus for the purpose.
 
Next, there is the actions of the einsatzgruppen, which were responsible for mass killings by the simple expedient of shooting. Himmler, who was in charge, found this method to be inefficient and he was concerned about its effect on those committing the murders. This concern led directly to the drive to find a more efficient way of killing, and the experience of Action T4 provided the basis for the death camp technology.
 
The death camps were not just death camps; they were also labour camps and prison camps simultaneously. When prisoners arrived they were assessed. Those deemed useful got to live a little longer; those judged unfit were killed immediately.
 
The evidence for the Holocaust is overwhelming. There are records (which the Nazis failed to destroy). There are the eye-witness accounts, both from prisoners and Nazis and their allies. There are the trials that happened after the war. There is the physical evidence – which rather neatly brings me to your reference to Allied photographs: all the death camps were in the east. They were all liberated by the Soviet army.
 
Frankly, I am amazed that anyone would even try to minimise, let alone deny, the Holocaust. It happened. It is a warning from history. It tells us that ordinary people can do terrible things, if it is authorised by the elite and rendered just normal.

Waldorf
Waldorf
Jun 20, 2020 3:54 PM
Reply to  Steve Hayes

5.7 million is the closest to a precise number that has been offered, but it is six million if rounded to the nearest million.
Considering how much Nazi ideology hated the Jews, it was pre-determined that there was going to be a huge massacre of Jews who did not get away from them.

Peter Jennings
Peter Jennings
Jun 21, 2020 11:50 AM
Reply to  Steve Hayes

You need to research more. Auschwitz management have been consistently lowering the death toll over the years. Is it 6 million or isn’t it six million? Were the camps just for execution purposes or were they just concentration camps, as used to devastating effect by the British during the boar war?
 
A number of scientists have taken a close look at the so-called gas chambers and all have come to the conclusion that they couldn’t have been used as such. The room they used for fumigating the clothing showed all the signs of Zyclon B, whereas the ‘gas chambers’ didn’t.
 
I’m sorry, what we have been presented with are just stories from hollywood.

Steve Hayes
Steve Hayes
Jun 21, 2020 12:10 PM
Reply to  Peter Jennings

I do not get my knowledge of history from Hollywood. I get it from historians. I recommend the practice. In that spirit I recommend Martin Gilbert’s The Holocaust: A Jewish Tragedy which is not a Hollywood story but a detailed historical narrative.

Peter Jennings
Peter Jennings
Jun 23, 2020 10:28 AM
Reply to  Steve Hayes

Told by whom? most of the ‘survivors’ stories are found to be false, but MSM still push them as credible. The same is played out everywhere there is a narrative to push, such as the Covid, the economies great stories, the lies over invading ME countries, etc.
 
Some of Ann Frank’s diary was written in biro.

Steve Hayes
Steve Hayes
Jun 23, 2020 11:30 AM
Reply to  Peter Jennings

I just directed you to a history and you completely ignored it. Tell me, have you read it?

Watt
Watt
Jun 20, 2020 10:41 PM
Reply to  Peter Jennings

Paul Rassinier writes a credible, detailed account of his time in two work camps. A useful, important insight to camp life. Earned himself the sobriquet ‘Godfather of Holocaust Denial’.

Humanimal
Humanimal
Jun 19, 2020 2:26 PM
Reply to  Peter Jennings

That lie stood for over seventy years.

The lies still stand and are mutually supportive- a house of cards that should at some point collapse… but when ?? It is unfortunate that those dealing the cards are a lot more cunning and calculating than the ones being played.
 
I can’t see any of the foundational lies ever being admitted to. Unless a miracle occurs, civilisation will more likely self destruct before that happens. The lure of money, power and technological addiction is irresistible for most people and they appear determined to go the way of the dodo rather than wake up.

R Hayward
R Hayward
Jun 19, 2020 2:43 PM
Reply to  Peter Jennings

I smell trolling to try to contaminate comments about the current (actual) myth.

snuffleupagus
snuffleupagus
Jun 19, 2020 8:37 PM
Reply to  R Hayward

when one detects a widely-believed myth propagated by the establishment, it might be an opportune occasion to wonder whether there might be other widely-believed myths which one has not yet recognized as such.
 
Ron Unz — Holocaust Denial

Waldorf
Waldorf
Jun 20, 2020 7:55 PM
Reply to  snuffleupagus

Ron Unz is totally on board with the current hysteria, though.

Peter Jennings
Peter Jennings
Jun 21, 2020 11:59 AM
Reply to  R Hayward

If the subject i raised is mentioned in the article, my input is hardly trolling.

R Hayward
R Hayward
Jun 21, 2020 2:59 PM
Reply to  Peter Jennings

‘Trolling’ because the evidence for both instances is at the opposite ends of the spectrum. Denying the basic facts of the ‘Holocaust’ – whatever the minor numerical discrepancies is in the area of reality denial, whilst contesting the Covid-19 narrative in the here and present is reality affirmation.

Peter Jennings
Peter Jennings
Jun 23, 2020 10:18 AM
Reply to  R Hayward

So now the death rate is immaterial?
Do you even know what a troll is?
To accuse me of trolling just because i don’t follow your narrative, given to you via years of gov’t propaganda, is ever so slightly hypocritical.
It seems that criticism of every is far game, but not the holohoax.
 
Questions, questions, none of which got any coherent answers from you. You regurgitate and repeat. David Irving got most of his contemporary historians correct when he said they mainly sit at their desks referencing each others work because it’s easy money when compared to getting out there and checking the facts.
 
I have raised some serious facts as regards to desposing of bodies at these camps. You riposte with a slur. My comment still stands and as i mentioned before, if the author wanted to include this lie in his piece then it’s fair game and he should expect a response.

R Hayward
R Hayward
Jun 23, 2020 10:48 AM
Reply to  Peter Jennings

I do indeed know what a ‘troll’ is. I was simply positing a rational possible explanation for your absurd counter-evidential comments.
 
Have *you* ever talked to survivors of the Wansee plan?

Dave
Dave
Jun 19, 2020 1:04 PM

The vast majority of excess deaths in the UK were over 65, in care and with at least one morbid condition.
 
Lockdown started end of week 12
 comment image
 
From here: https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/wuhan-novel-coronavirus-initial-investigation-of-possible-cases/investigation-and-initial-clinical-management-of-possible-cases-of-wuhan-novel-coronavirus-wn-cov-infection
 
2.1 Patients who meet the following criteria (inpatient definition)
requiring admission to hospital (a hospital practitioner has decided that admission to hospital is required with an expectation that the patient will need to stay at least one night)
and
 
have either clinical or radiological evidence of pneumonia
or
 
acute respiratory distress syndrome
or
 
influenza like illness (fever ≥37.8°C and at least one of the following respiratory symptoms, which must be of acute onset: persistent cough (with or without sputum), hoarseness, nasal discharge or congestion, shortness of breath, sore throat, wheezing, sneezing
 
From here: https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/guidance-for-social-or-community-care-and-residential-settings-on-covid-19/guidance-for-social-or-community-care-and-residential-settings-on-covid-19
 
12. What to do if someone in the office, workplace or residential setting has had contact with a confirmed case of COVID-19
If a confirmed case is identified in this setting, the local Health Protection Team will provide the relevant people with advice. It is important to follow the advice of the local Health Protection Team
 
Contacts are not considered cases and if they are well they are very unlikely to spread the infection to others:
 
those who have had close contact will be asked to self-isolate at home or in their own room in a care or residential home for 14 days from the last time they had contact with the confirmed case and follow the home isolation advice sheet
they will be actively followed up by the Health Protection Team
People who have not had close contact with the confirmed case do not need to take any precautions and can continue their routines as usual.
 
and
 
17.2 If the person is symptomatic
avoid any further physical contact with the person, if you can. The person should remain in the room with the door closed. Belongings and waste with which they have come into contact should remain in the room
advise anyone with you not to enter the room. If a travel or clinical history still needs to be obtained or completed, do this by telephoning the patient in the room
ask the patient or their representative to call NHS 111 from their room
inform your manager so that a full risk assessment can be undertaken with an infection control specialist to decide the next course of action
 
From here: https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/886668/COVID-19_Infection_prevention_and_control_guidance_complete.pdf
 
4.4.3 Single rooms
Wherever possible, patients with possible or confirmed COVID-19 should be placed in
single rooms. Where single/isolation rooms are in short supply, and cohorting is not yet
considered possible (patient(s) awaiting laboratory confirmation), prioritise patients who
have excessive cough and sputum production for single/isolation room placement.
Single rooms in COVID-19 segregated areas should, wherever possible, be reserved for
performing aerosol generating procedures (AGPs).
Single rooms in non-COVID-19 areas should be reserved for patients requiring isolation
for other (non-influenza-like illness) reasons.
The prioritising of patients for isolation other than suspected or confirmed COVID-19
patients should be decided locally, based on patient need and local resources.
For patients with new onset symptoms, it is important to achieve isolation and
instigation of contact tracing as soon as possible.
 
PPE should be worn when tending to such “patients” as described here:
https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/879111/T4_poster_Recommended_PPE_additional_considerations_of_COVID-19.pdf
 
So while care staff were sent home to self-isolate. Residents were shut in a room on their own and only visited by people dressed in full spaceman PPE.
 
Under 45 year olds had absolutely nothing to fear. At about 150 excess deaths from week 16 to 18. These are easily attributable to lack of hospital care, fear of covid and cancelling of operations.
 comment image
 
45 to 65 year olds have had approximately 4000 excess deaths. Again attributable to lack of hospital care and cancelling operations.
These excess deaths started at week 14. More than a week after the lockdown.
 comment image
 

Dungroanin
Dungroanin
Jun 19, 2020 4:52 PM
Reply to  Dave

But the excess deaths peaked and then fell DURING the ‘lockdown’ which according to your implication had ‘caused’ the rise after week 12!

You do understand that most people in hospital icu tend to die several weeks down the line and some indeed when their breathing machines are turned off? I.e many who died in hospital were already admitted at lockdown and the admissions would have peaked after week 12 and before peak deaths. The clearing out of the frail, elderly and these in need of nursing care into the Community not prepared to be able to provide that level of care , doomed these to die. A guaranteed outcome, hence first degree murder. These in power must be held to account for such genocide of their own citizens – maybe a coalition of the willing under UN order would invade to deliver us a Regime Change.

That is what shows the efficacy of throwing out the anchors of the belated self quarantine by bozos clowns ring masters.

Dave
Dave
Jun 19, 2020 5:15 PM
Reply to  Dungroanin

The deaths occurred in care settings not hospital ICUs.
Hospital ICUs were all empty.

Dungroanin
Dungroanin
Jun 19, 2020 6:50 PM
Reply to  Dave

Yes care setting deaths occurred in care settings! I had not missed that.

“Hospitals ICU’s were empty”? Err… do give a citation to that – you do also understand that not all icu beds are in a single town?

Dungroanin
Dungroanin
Jun 19, 2020 7:08 PM
Reply to  Dave

As to these care deaths

‘ Not all deaths were counted from the start

In the initial stages of the epidemic, the UK did not account for infections and deaths in settings other than hospitals, crucially leaving out those that took place in care homes.

Understanding the roles of hotspots, like care homes, and super spreaders – people who are responsible for infecting an especially large number of others – is crucial at the onset of an epidemic. The UK government should have been taking this into account from the end of January, not from April, when care home deaths began to be added to tallies.’

R Hayward
R Hayward
Jun 21, 2020 3:10 PM
Reply to  Dungroanin

‘All cause’ mortality is the *only* reasonably reliable metric.
 
Analysis of it shows :
 

  1. That this event was not particularly unusual.
  2. That the course of Covid-19 was within the normal parameters of any virus, reflecting Farr’s law. Infection had actually peaked in most cases before lockdown.
  3. That the virus is generally mild in its effects amongst the population <65 and in good health
  4. That there is no good evidence for the effectiveness of lockdown, the general wearing of face masks, or of 2-metre anti-social distancing – especially now that infections are below ‘epidemic’ levels.

 
The truth of the Covid-19 narrative is in the area of WMDs in Iraq, and its prognoses as accurate as that for the benign effects of intervention in Libya.

James C
James C
Jun 30, 2020 8:16 AM
Reply to  Dungroanin

I’m not sure if you are quoting someone else there, but I’m taking issue with one point.
 
No one is “responsible” for infecting anyone else, “superspreader” or not. We are all responsible for our own health. No one else is responsible for us, and we are not responsible for anyone else. T’was ever thus.

Admin1
Admin
Admin1
Jun 19, 2020 5:32 PM
Reply to  Dungroanin

Do you need any help moving those goalposts, D? 🤔

George Mc
George Mc
Jun 19, 2020 6:36 PM
Reply to  Admin1

Obviously not. These goalposts must be on rollerskates powered by nuclear fission!

Dungroanin
Dungroanin
Jun 19, 2020 6:59 PM
Reply to  Admin1

Ah No 1, good of you to drop in.

I tend to believe goal posts are better left unmoved during a game. So thanks for the offer but maybe after it’s over?

Btw what is happening with the comments system – I can’t seem to format as I go along anymore?

Mike Ellwood (Oxon, UK)
Mike Ellwood (Oxon, UK)
Jun 19, 2020 8:37 PM
Reply to  Dave

Dave:
 
Thanks for this. Very interesting and useful.
 
Two observations and a question about the 1st graph (Over 65 deaths, 2019 vs 2020):
 
 
1) Beginning week 2: There is a spike up (of around 10%) in both years. My first thought that this was probably due to flu->pneumonia, perhaps in a cold spell. But my second thought was that it could be an artificial construct caused by delays in reporting due to the Christmas and New Year holidays.
 
 
2) Beginning week 19: there is a downward spike in both years. Coming from a much higher level in 2020 of course, but then they go up again in what seems to be a similar way, although it flattens more quickly in 2019.
 
In fact it doesn’t flatten in 2020, but goes down with a bang from beginning Week 20 (11th – 17th May).
 
We should also note the sharp downward trend in 2020 from Week 17 to Week 19 (20th April to 4th May).
 
Do you have any thoughts yourself about the semi-coincidences between 2019 and 2020, and/or on the downward trend in 2020, and its short interruption?
 
Thanks,
Mike
 

Dave
Dave
Jun 19, 2020 10:05 PM

ONS say: Bank Holidays could affect the number of registrations made within those weeks. So Easter might have something to do with it.
 
The reason I compared 2019/20 was to get the different age groups.
 
The under 45 graph makes a mockery of the killer virus narrative.comment image

Eva Williams
Eva Williams
Jun 19, 2020 12:55 PM

Great post. I support every word written by the author. I don’t understand the motives of why we spent so much time at home and most without work and money. My brother works as a cardiologist at St. Patrick’s Clinic, and so he says that in 1 month more people die from cancer or heart attacks than from the “new” virus. I hope that justice will find America and we will return to our previous lives. Blessed!

Gwyn
Gwyn
Jun 19, 2020 12:49 PM

I’m just back from a visit to the the doctor’s surgery. I was obliged to wear a face mask to go in there. As I waited for my appointment, I felt embarrassed to be sitting there like a prat with my face covered up, and I felt a tiny bit furious with the gullible people who’ve allowed things to come to this.
 
It boils my piss to a not-inconsiderable degree to see the ease with which people will believe any old nonsense they hear on the news.

R Hayward
R Hayward
Jun 19, 2020 2:41 PM
Reply to  Gwyn

Absolutely.
 
The only point in such a performance is to prove conclusively what a stupid and uncomfortable act of subservience to a religious-type myth such an act is.

rachel
rachel
Jun 19, 2020 3:28 PM
Reply to  R Hayward

but look the volcano didnt blow up thanks to the child sacrifices we made. a small price to appease the gods. those children have gone to a better place.

R Hayward
R Hayward
Jun 19, 2020 9:51 PM
Reply to  rachel

What ‘volcano’? It was a damp squib that predictably flared and die.

Tim Drayton
Tim Drayton
Jun 19, 2020 4:20 PM
Reply to  Gwyn

Just for the record, I have been an extremely law abiding person for the last few decades of my 64 years, but recently they have made wearing masks on buses compulsory here in Cyprus where I live or else you may be fined 100 euro, and I use the buses a couple of times a week and have so far risked flaunting this ban. I have accepted every imposition so far, but I refuse to go around with a symbol of capitulation on my face that has no scientific merit whatsoever, and I notice a few other passengers on the buses are also without masks – the drivers are issuing gently reminders that it would be better to bring a mask next time at the moment.

Gwyn
Gwyn
Jun 19, 2020 4:53 PM
Reply to  Tim Drayton

Here in Wales, castles built centuries ago by English kings are known as ”shameful badges of our subjugation.” I was reminded of this by your excellent description of face masks, which I shall henceforth think of as ”symbols of capitulation.” :o)
 
I admire what you and those other people are doing, Tim. I dearly wish that more people would do the same.

Lost in a dark wood
Lost in a dark wood
Jun 19, 2020 6:41 PM
Reply to  Gwyn

Just a minor quibble, but given we seem to be entering an era of apologising for everything that happened since Adam, I think it appropriate to point out that they were “kings of England”.
 
Wikipedia:
 
The House of Plantagenet was a royal house which originated from the lands of Anjou in France. The name Plantagenet is used by modern historians to identify four distinct royal houses: the Angevins, who were also counts of Anjou; the main body of the Plantagenets following the loss of Anjou; and the Plantagenets’ two cadet branches, the houses of Lancaster and York. The family held the English throne from 1154, with the accession of Henry II, until 1485, when Richard III died in battle.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/House_of_Plantagenet

 
The conquest of Wales by Edward I, sometimes referred to as the Edwardian Conquest of Wales,[note 1] to distinguish it from the earlier (but partial) Norman conquest of Wales, took place between 1277 and 1283. It resulted in the defeat and annexation of the Principality of Wales, and the other last remaining independent Welsh principalities, by Edward I, King of England.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conquest_of_Wales_by_Edward_I_of_England

 
btw: I have family roots to north Wales.

Gwyn
Gwyn
Jun 19, 2020 7:24 PM

Edward I was an English king (born, as he was, in England).

Mike Ellwood (Oxon, UK)
Mike Ellwood (Oxon, UK)
Jun 19, 2020 8:53 PM
Reply to  Gwyn

It’s a pity we couldn’t send Johnson and Cummings back in time, and put them in charge of building all those English castles in Wales. No way they would ever have got built, especially as Cummings would probably have wanted to take a sudden horse ride to Durham half way through.
 
But just to be sure of failure, we should also send Neil Ferguson back as well, to mastermind the calculation of the resources required. He would probably work out that it would need so much stone that there wasn’t enough in Wales, England and Scotland combined, and that they might as well forget the whole idea.
 
I know that time machines don’t really exist, but I still like the idea of locking them all up in a machine that we could tell them was a time machine. It would have a high-voltage power supply and a one-way switch….
 
😀
 
 

Gwyn
Gwyn
Jun 19, 2020 9:21 PM

I like that idea, too, Mike. Tricking them into getting inside that machine would surely be a piece of cake. :o)

James C
James C
Jun 30, 2020 8:25 AM
Reply to  Gwyn

As long as they hear it often enough, and they don’t have any reason to disbelieve TPTB in the first place.

Kitty
Kitty
Jun 19, 2020 12:14 PM

Friends and family are at long last becoming sceptical to what’s happening as things get more and more bizarre, but I always get the same response and I don’t have an answer. Who really benefits from the chaos? Mass unemployment in the UK will mean more people claiming benefits with less tax collected. Shops closing means councils will be short of funds. The list is endless and it won’t make the Tory government popular. There is a small percentage of people at the top of the pyramid who will make billions, but for the rest of us, including a lot of very wealthy people it will be a blood bath. Once the pyramid starts to fall even the ones at the top will go. So how do I answer this question?

Steve Jack
Steve Jack
Jun 19, 2020 12:54 PM
Reply to  Kitty

A very good question, which I would like to be able to answer – as clearly and as unambiguously as possible – too.

Zen Priest
Zen Priest
Jun 19, 2020 1:38 PM
Reply to  Kitty

Your inability to answer a question doesn’t render your thesis invalid. There are many unknowns. I’ve noticed that morons take the inability to answer a question, no matter how difficult to answer, as proof your theory is bonkers.

Zen Priest
Zen Priest
Jun 19, 2020 1:44 PM
Reply to  Kitty

Have you ever watched a Mafia show? That’s how it works. People at the top call the shots. Their orders are carried out by the layers beneath and often this can mean chaos for everyone. No matter as long as the top dogs get the result. As for the top dogs’ minions, some may gain, others will lose out – doesn’t matter, they’re following orders. Overall they will ‘gain’ in the long run by being with the top dogs who’ve achieved their overall objectives.
This is how power works. This is how business works, on the world wide scale. This is how the world works, a world wide mafia.
Your friends and family need to start thinking of it in this way.

Steve Hayes
Steve Hayes
Jun 19, 2020 1:59 PM
Reply to  Kitty

The answer is the lockdown measures are a case of collective madness.
 
Matt Hancock, the Health Secretary, admitted 10 April 2020 that the government had not made any attempt to assess the number of people who would die as a result of the government’s lockdown measures. He went on to say that he took this extremely seriously and that he and the Chancellor would look into immediately and report their findings. As you will have noticed, he has still to get back to us on how many people are dying as a result of the lockdown measures.
 
Matt Hancock’s scandalous admission: https://youtu.be/3ex7uIGUdSE
Starts at 35:59

Humanimal
Humanimal
Jun 19, 2020 2:30 PM
Reply to  Kitty

Obviously the ones running this show ( pharma/ military industrial complex) benefit and they believe they are well prepared for whatever collapse they induce! They have enough technology to shield themsleves from any foreseeable scenario and they employ think tanks to give them a sense of security. They believe themselves to be extremely smart.

Cheezilla
Cheezilla
Jun 19, 2020 6:13 PM
Reply to  Humanimal

I hope they enjoy their frankenmeat because there won’t be any real food if they kill off all the workers.

Mike Ellwood (Oxon, UK)
Mike Ellwood (Oxon, UK)
Jun 19, 2020 9:01 PM
Reply to  Cheezilla

And nowhere to grow any food as all the land will be covered in wind turbines and solar panels because of the other hoax that’s being perpetrated.

rachel
rachel
Jun 19, 2020 4:11 PM
Reply to  Kitty

who benefts from a suicide bombing like the one in manchester? certainly not the supposed bomber or the concert goers. the red cross raised alot of money tho. they were on the tv saying it would happen again n to give them money for the victims ofcourse.

rachel
rachel
Jun 19, 2020 4:28 PM
Reply to  rachel

if there was a bomber n he was trained then he didnt need to benefit to carry out the attack. maybe he believed in a cause n was trained. maybe he didnt know there was a bomb. who knows? still it shows that the quetion doesnt matter to whether there was an attack.

rachel
rachel
Jun 19, 2020 4:37 PM
Reply to  rachel

or whether just giving money to the red cross is an adequate solution. i would say no we dont any more such events n something more needs to be done than giving money.

Dungroanin
Dungroanin
Jun 19, 2020 4:57 PM
Reply to  rachel

The tories and May benefited from Manchester.

Howard
Howard
Jun 19, 2020 4:16 PM
Reply to  Kitty

I suspect you’re having trouble finding an answer because of how your question is worded. “Who really benefits from the chaos?” Should be replaced with: What has precipitated the chaos? Obviously that too becomes its own unanswerable question IF one accepts – as I emphatically do not accept – that the Climate Crisis is also a hoax.
 
I’ve seen too much data to doubt the validity of that Crisis, the ramifications of which absolutely preclude a continuation of the current paradigm of constant and increasing productivity.
 
One has to pick whose overall take on the world rings truest – never an easy task, except for the ease of picking whose take rings false (that would be the Establishment). My “pick,” whose take on things seems – and I stress: seems – the most coherent (even though it’s the most extreme) is Dane Wigington of geoengineeringwatch.org. According to him, the world as we knew it is gone and will not return, as he puts it “in any time frame that matters.”

Cheezilla
Cheezilla
Jun 19, 2020 6:11 PM
Reply to  Kitty

The only answer I can think of is:
That’s the BIG question.
 
Actually, to topple a pyramid, you need to remove a bottom corner.

PWL
PWL
Jun 19, 2020 8:31 PM
Reply to  Kitty

The people at the top have people working out how much of a blood bath is viable.
 
In the economic carnage of coronahoax fallout, the target is UK Government and administrators of the debt-for-wealth financial system 

Fornow
Fornow
Jun 20, 2020 10:24 AM
Reply to  Kitty

This isn’t the end of it though is it. This is an ongoing scenario. The latest part the protests. All linked? It will continue. How many more dead by the time this is ‘over’? How far has A.I. actually gone? How many of us to be ‘replaced’ or ‘phased out’. Then no more benefits to pay, no more pensions, no need for taxes just print what you want. Just some thoughts.

aspnaz
aspnaz
Jun 21, 2020 11:38 PM
Reply to  Kitty

As a wide reader, I have seen many theories, here is one that compares what is happening to the civil war in Spain and Italy. I don’t know much about those events in history, but every viewpoint is interesting … https://www.theburningplatform.com/2020/06/18/the-enemy-within-2

Cheezilla
Cheezilla
Jun 19, 2020 12:02 PM

Sobering article. Thanks.

Dungroanin
Dungroanin
Jun 19, 2020 11:47 AM

I’m glad there is an article here that admits that CV is dangerous and has caused Excess Deaths and the response by our government has been political rather than wholly scientificly rationale.

He could have used fewer words to say it.

Meanwhile Corbett has blown the gaff by LYING and claiming lockdown in the U.K. caused half the excess deaths, by pointing to a link that says no such thing. As I pointed out on his article here a few days ago.

Iain Davis has run off with tail between legs when challenged about his selective use of statistics and vagueness about who actually supplies and writes his PR pieces.

Heck even the Off-G editors seem to have gone MIA – early bath? Resignation? HOLIDAYS!!!? – how many editors are there now? ..

Anyway – too back up the author of this piece some picture and some easy to follow writing.

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And try this in simple chunks for these who can’t chew gum and walk at the same time without chocking.

https://theconversation.com/coronavirus-five-reasons-why-the-uk-death-toll-is-so-high-140005

George Mc
George Mc
Jun 19, 2020 11:55 AM
Reply to  Dungroanin

Lockdown fever still continuing, DunG?

DLir
DLir
Jun 19, 2020 12:20 PM
Reply to  Dungroanin

You seem to assume that the spike in excess mortality is entirely due to coronavirus deaths and not other reasons; heart attacks, strokes, pulmonary embolism due to lack of exercise etc.

If you go to the European Mortality Monitoring website (Eumomo.eu) you’ll notice that graphs for the over 65s, for many of the countries – having spiked between March and May – are now slipping into negative territory. The people, who – on average – would have died in June, died in the preceding months.

Dungroanin
Dungroanin
Jun 19, 2020 12:47 PM
Reply to  DLir

No it is in EXCESS of these usual causes of death – you obviously can’t understand simple facts and graphs – but were fully behind them when they were used by Davis.

I agree I would also expect ‘negative’ territory from the fact there are fewer work and traffic and travel related incidents , as well as a very few who may have been end of life in these six months.

Try to focus on the spike – which goes to the heart of the matter – and imagine how much WORSE it would have been without the belated and hardly onerous government FUNDED shutdown and physical distancing.

It is not about these who would easily survive infection – it is about these who would be badly affected or killed by it – by these hardy young who form the 80% that symptomless or not, would have spread it faster to the 20% who would be more at risk and would have taken all the ICU beds – with or without dangerous respirators. Causing even more deaths and suffering.

It isn’t all about YOU and your RIGHT to make money because YOU are not in danger.

George Mc
George Mc
Jun 19, 2020 1:24 PM
Reply to  Dungroanin

There’s an awful lot of woulds and would haves there, DunG. Oh to wander in that magical world of might have been!

Gwyn
Gwyn
Jun 19, 2020 1:39 PM
Reply to  Dungroanin

You mistakenly BELIEVE that using a lot of CAPS somehow makes your case more COMPELLING.

DLir
DLir
Jun 19, 2020 1:44 PM
Reply to  Dungroanin

Except these spikes occur every year.
 
Take the 2014/2015 European influenza season for example. That year influenza – in 15 countries – caused 217,000 excess deaths. The equivalent number of deaths of coronavirus in the same 15 countries currently stands at about 130,000.
 
I recall little of the same hysteria in 2014/2015
 
If you’re so in favour of legislating against premature death, how would you tackle the 800,000 annual premature deaths in Europe from air pollution?
 
How do you view your own and other’s culpability in contributing to those premature deaths from air pollution?

Peter Jennings
Peter Jennings
Jun 19, 2020 2:13 PM
Reply to  Dungroanin

The thing is Dungronin that the facts told to us by gov’t ‘experts’ are all woefully exaggerated and their graphs are made up nonsense. Not even the ‘experts’ believed their own bullshit because they were caught zig-zagging the country as if the Covid thing never happened.

We were told over and over that millions would die. Hindsight is all very well but the gov’t science employees seem to have relied on hearsay and flawed models instead. The real reason why we have all been lied to will become known, just as the lies we were told by our media over Afghanistan, Iraq and Libya have become known. We shall find that the lockdown has very little to do with conserving the health of a nation.

Hospital staff were all making silly youtube videos because they had nothing to do after sending elderly patients with the disease back to their care homes where there wasn’t enough staff to care for them.

Mike Ellwood (Oxon, UK)
Mike Ellwood (Oxon, UK)
Jun 19, 2020 9:37 PM
Reply to  Peter Jennings

Like we were told millions would die of Avian Flu, SARS1, AIDS…
 
Talking of AIDS, it seems to be quite hard to find a cumulative total for the people who have died of what is called AIDS in the UK, but in recent years, it seems that the annual totals have been well under 1000, and probably less than 500.
 
However, some people (promoted by the Guardian, of course) are trying to weave the AIDS fantasy into the COVID-19 fantasy:
 
https://www.dumptheguardian.com/society/2020/may/13/covid-19-crisis-raises-hopes-of-end-to-uk-transmission-of-hiv
 
And they are still trying to promote the fiction that AIDS is infectious. This has never ever been proved, either for homosexual sex or heterosexual sex. For example, apparently, Freddie Mercury’s partner was not HIV-positive. Mind, HIV tests are about as (un)reliable as COVID-19 tests.

R Hayward
R Hayward
Jun 19, 2020 2:35 PM
Reply to  Dungroanin

The term ‘excess’ mortality/deaths is a much abused term. It is used to imply a ‘normal’ level of mortality, when, in fact it is only a statement of a predictive model’s inaccuracy. Coincidentally, the Oxford Centre for Evidence Based Medicine has just published an article on the topic. It shows the inadequacy of the commonest linear forms of modelling ‘excess’, and the major reduction in the big numbers game if the better fit of harmonic regression is used. This is far from a recondite technical issue :
 
https://www.cebm.net/covid-19/thoughts-on-estimating-excess-mortality-from-covid-19/
 
A few things can be said about the current situation :
 
(1) Even allowing for the March/April epidemic spike, mortality numbers are not that exceptional in a historical perspective.
 
(2) One factor in this year’s mortality is the longer fortuitous survival of vulnerable individuals into this year after a commensurately mild infection season in 2018/19
 
(3) Even in Care Homes, and with the probable inflation of figures by changes in death registration procedures, Covid-19 is a minority cause of death (about a third).

Dungroanin
Dungroanin
Jun 19, 2020 5:41 PM
Reply to  R Hayward

Well there are models and then there actual absolute data – a fact, not a model prediction.

On your end points

1. “historical perspective’ is piece of string. A rolling 5 or more year average is not an unreasonable measure – it is consistent within the min-max range for each Average time unit. With total deaths it is accepted standard of use in Life Insurance and Actuarial calculations – it is that important!

Also a March/April spike is very unusual, especially following a much earlier flu spike and one that is bigger than the ‘first winter spike’.

2. You exaggerate and mislead.

The 18/19 spike was indeed lower than the 17/18 by some 2.5k.

But the 19/20 spike (before CV) was higher by about 1.5k than 18/19, 16/17 and 15/16.

In fact in the last 20 years the 19/20 winter flu spike was higher than 15 of these years!
It was about the same as in 03/04,
1000 less than 08/09 & 17/18 and 2000 less than 14/15.

In fact even the peaks of 98/99 and 99/00 of just over 20,000 winter flu deaths have been surpassed by this CV spike (which is clearly not at the same time of year as all these winter flu spikes – and none of these benefitted from a general physical distancing of 3 months never mind 3 weeks.

In short you have not proved that there are ‘more’ vulnerable who survived in the 19/20 flu to have been available to die by CV. We’ll see what the winter flu spike brings this year pretty soon – and see if breaks the lower bounds of the rolling 5 year average.

3. That ‘third’ of cv deaths in Care Homes – aren’t part of usual deaths hence that represents a 50% increase in CH deaths!

R Hayward
R Hayward
Jun 19, 2020 10:23 PM
Reply to  Dungroanin

On (1) – a rolling average is simply a smoothing function. It is useless as a predictive mechanism. I am writing solely about *actual* data, and your ‘piece of string’ is too short to tie up this parcel. I am focusing on the much more indicative perspective of about a quarter of a century – a perspective in which this virus was entirely unspectacular in its effects. 5 years is far too short a timescale to judge.
 
On (2) – I neither exaggerate, nor mislead. It’s all actual data – not ‘big figures’ picked out of the air and decontextualised – which is the way the Big Panic narrative was embedded as a psy-ops tool.
 
The feature of a spring peak was different from most in its timing – but not proportionately different in years of comparable scale. As said – the total seasonal percentage deaths rank only eighth in a span of 27 years. Of course, you have to correct for population size to see the true picture. Have you done that?
 
On (3) – of course, I’ve not ‘proved’ the effect of delayed mortality. I have simply stated a fairly obvious fact – that if there was a notably lower number of deaths in 2018/19, then, clearly, the vulnerable population was commensurately larger in 2019/20. It’s simple logic.
 
As to the % deaths from Covid-19 : a massive unknown in gneral tems after the buggering of proper registration procedures (a suspicious indicator of motives, I have to say) – the fact that they account for such a low percentage of total deaths in Care Homes speaks volumes about the role of this generally mild virus in the total picture, and the consequent falsity of the narrative.
 
Simply – that narrative has been a fairy story in terms of supposed severity and justification for infringements of basic rights. The data speaks for itself – and that’s why the full picture is bypassed by the current propaganda initiative.
 
But – it’s not that hard to dig out with a bit of persistence.
 
Bluntly – the early sceptics have reality on their side (Which is why we now have the narrative extensions such as the dangers of a ‘second wave’ – another wishing for disaster in the style of Ferguson and Co. with their crap modelling.

Cheezilla
Cheezilla
Jun 19, 2020 6:18 PM
Reply to  Dungroanin
rachel
rachel
Jun 19, 2020 12:31 PM
Reply to  Dungroanin

looks like a serious you are involved in especialy if we consider the intended death toll was much greater and the deaths over previous decades attributable to vaxx cults actions. not just the spike but the whole chart plus many other “diseases” encouraged.

Dungroanin
Dungroanin
Jun 19, 2020 12:49 PM
Reply to  rachel

Try again.

Dave
Dave
Jun 19, 2020 1:13 PM
Reply to  Dungroanin

LOL
Author

  1. comment imageJasmina Panovska-Griffiths
  2. Senior Research Fellow and Lecturer in Mathematical Modelling, UCL

 

Dungroanin
Dungroanin
Jun 19, 2020 5:47 PM
Reply to  Dave

You understand that mathematics runs our lives don’t you? From electricity you are using to the machine and comms channels to interact here and the insurances you have?

Dave
Dave
Jun 19, 2020 5:58 PM
Reply to  Dungroanin

Lol

Peter Jennings
Peter Jennings
Jun 20, 2020 10:28 AM
Reply to  Dave

The electric universe is another shock to the system for people who have been sold the dark matter and black hole nonsense. Velikovsky was right.

Dave
Dave
Jun 20, 2020 1:28 PM
Reply to  Peter Jennings

Could fit together nicely with binary sun also

Objective
Objective
Jun 19, 2020 1:26 PM
Reply to  Dungroanin

That horse died long ago let it rest in peace.
 

George Mc
George Mc
Jun 19, 2020 1:33 PM
Reply to  Objective

He has nothing left to flog.

Dungroanin
Dungroanin
Jun 19, 2020 5:48 PM
Reply to  George Mc

Only your dead horses

Dungroanin
Dungroanin
Jun 19, 2020 5:47 PM
Reply to  Objective

At Cheltenham?

Steve Hayes
Steve Hayes
Jun 19, 2020 2:06 PM
Reply to  Dungroanin

What is the source for the graph?

Steve Hayes
Steve Hayes
Jun 20, 2020 12:08 PM
Reply to  Dungroanin

So I just clicked the link (and the link on the comment) and I still do not know the source. Why don’t you just stick to the Office for National Statistics weekly death figures, which we know are both valid and reliable, rather than relying on unattributed sources, which are at best incompetent and at worst just made up.

JudyJ
JudyJ
Jun 19, 2020 2:57 PM
Reply to  Dungroanin

DunG,
 
Please can you explain how this graph proves whatever point you are trying to make.
 
The top of the spike on the graph denotes the cumulative total of ‘Covid19’ deaths in England during the week ending 3 May, not a spike in cases that week.
 
 
https://www.itv.com/news/2020-05-03/uk-coronavirus-death-toll-rises-by-315-to-28-446/
 
Also how come the graph then tails downwards? If the top of the spike is indicative of a cumulative total it could only continue upwards as more cases are added to the total, unless the drop is showing that some of the originally included Covid19 cases were incorrect.
 
 
This suggests the whole graph is nonsense. 
 
 

JudyJ
JudyJ
Jun 19, 2020 5:56 PM
Reply to  JudyJ

My post above (2.57pm) is based on some mistaken assumptions I have made about the graph, so it should be ignored! 😀 I do still have concerns about what we can actually deduce from the graph and have written DunG a further post to explain. I’ll say no more as I don’t want to keep digging. 😉
 

Dungroanin
Dungroanin
Jun 19, 2020 6:03 PM
Reply to  JudyJ

You : “ The top of the spike on the graph denotes the cumulative total of ‘Covid19’ deaths in England during the week ending 3 May, not a spike in cases that week.”

WRONG. The caption at the top starts with “weekly..”.

The above graph , my post, is also not the total deaths data the ONS releases weekly. Which if you have still not understood, I have been saying are the ONLY reliable source of total deaths and the expected 5year rolling average upon which most planning is based.

The cumulative COVID deaths Government manufactured numbers are setup to wilfully understate the excess deaths caused by the CV.

JudyJ
JudyJ
Jun 19, 2020 5:49 PM
Reply to  Dungroanin

DunG,
 
Further to my post to you at 2.57p.m., I have looked at the graph you posted again and admit that I confused myself because of the seemingly identical peak figure of just under 22k with the total cumulative figure for that same week. The graph is I acknowledge ‘all cause deaths’. So apologies for going off at an erroneous tangent.
 
But I still remain unconvinced that the rise in deaths recorded in Week 18 could be seen as indicative of the infectious and deadly effect of the virus. If we take it that symptoms occur a maximum of 14 days after infection that would mean symptoms would have occurred on 6 April at the latest, after lockdown on 23 March. Week 18 is three weeks later. Does it really seem plausible that so many vulnerable people purportedly affected by Covid19 would die in a significantly higher number in that particular week compared to any of the preceding weeks?

Dungroanin
Dungroanin
Jun 19, 2020 6:28 PM
Reply to  JudyJ

JJ you admitted your error that led you to misunderstand the graph. But you have followed with another error!

You start with your assumption that a week or two are the period in which symptoms arise and then further assumed that that is when people die of the seriousness of THEIR covid illness either immediately or within 3 weeks of being so declared dead!

I have already explained that in this thread here

https://off-guardian.org/2020/06/18/lies-damned-lies-and-covid19/#comment-194078

JudyJ
JudyJ
Jun 19, 2020 7:33 PM
Reply to  Dungroanin

DunG
 
I should probably stop digging but I can’t help myself! 😀 My point is that I can’t see why the virus alone would offer up a pronounced high spike in deaths. Knut Wittkowski said in one of his interviews that a virus left to its own devices has a steady curve, not a tendency to spike.
 
The purpose of me ostensibly narrowing down events and time frames was precisely to demonstrate that that is the only explanation for a spike occurring at all if the contention is that it is because of the virus alone and not directly or indirectly a result of lock down or human intervention e.g. turning all ventilators off over the same few days! As you yourself seem to acknowledge, it is unrealistic to make narrow assumptions but that would be the only plausible explanation for a spike in cases/deaths. That is what I was trying to demonstrate.
 
 
 

Dungroanin
Dungroanin
Jun 19, 2020 9:40 PM
Reply to  JudyJ

“Has a steady curve …”

Honestly, you further compound the errors! This time with ignorance of the construction of mathematical curves – did you not learn a simple x-y plot at school?

All curves are representations of data points. Which are measured for specific gaps on a axis – which could be from nanoseconds for electronics to Aeons.

A ‘spike’ is just these dots joined up in a narrowish bunch of gaps where the spike starts to increases in amplitude reaches a max and then drops back to normal.

A spike which is a single point of maximum that can’t be spread over any smaller gaps , and resides in just one of these gaps, is not called a ‘spike’ it is called a ‘singularity’.

Stop digging! You did point one thing out and totally ignored the truth it revealed – from the lockdown in week 12 to peak deaths in Welles’s 16/17 was about 28-35 days – which gives you a clear idea of how long it took from initial infection to death for these unlucky enough to be seriously affected.

Mike Ellwood (Oxon, UK)
Mike Ellwood (Oxon, UK)
Jun 19, 2020 9:12 PM
Reply to  Dungroanin

And try this in simple chunks for these who can’t chew gum and walk at the same time without chocking.

 
You might win over more converts to your cause if you didn’t talk down to your audience quite so much.

Grafter
Grafter
Jun 19, 2020 11:09 AM

Where is your mask ? Don’t forget to wear it if you’re thinking of going outside. It’s your new virtue identity symbol. You now become officially part of the group. Gives you that warm sense of belonging and conforming to the doctrine you see on TV. It’s worldwide you know. Look at all those masked people lining up outside their supermarkets and look, all the reporters and even politicians are wearing them now ! This is getting serious but don’t fret we’re all in this together and your mask is now part of you, keeping you safe . Wear it and take a good look in the mirror and ask yourself, “Is that the new me ?”

R Hayward
R Hayward
Jun 19, 2020 11:59 AM
Reply to  Grafter

An important point. Here’s another :
 
(1) There is absolutely no convincing body of evidence concerning the efficacy of wearing masks in a general environment.
 
(2) There is convincing evidence that wearing masks for extended periods is at best uncomfortable, and at worst has negative side effects. I can testify that this is the case, having been into a hospital environment this week where I had to wear a mask. I experienced the discomfort; nursing staff testified to the unpleasant effects at the end of a day from constantly breathing stale air with abnormal concentrations of CO2.
 
(3) The Covid-19 virus : (a) has generally mild effects for the vast majority of the healthy population under the age of 65. (b) It is also disappearing from the scene after its peak (UK) in late March-early April. (c) It did not cause an *unprecedented* health crisis, with all cause mortality being at only the 73rd centile of the range of years from 1993/4. Seven years showed a higher percentage.
 
Given that all treatment entails a balance between benefit and harm, and that this varies with the value of both, it is hard to see how, in the light of the above, any medical practitioner can fulfil the ‘Do no harm’ requirement of the Hypocratic Oath and recommend the *genera* and *speculative*l wearing of masks – let alone the extravagantly harmful measure of Lock-Up.

rachel
rachel
Jun 19, 2020 12:58 PM
Reply to  R Hayward

no they are trying to cause destruction on a scale as yet unseen. do not entertain their ‘rules’ but warn of signs of a lock down.

Humanimal
Humanimal
Jun 19, 2020 2:35 PM
Reply to  R Hayward

The Hypocritic Oath, you mean

Mike Ellwood (Oxon, UK)
Mike Ellwood (Oxon, UK)
Jun 19, 2020 9:57 PM
Reply to  R Hayward

There is also the small but annoying point that they tend to steam up glasses.

R Hayward
R Hayward
Jun 19, 2020 11:08 PM

Absolutely – it was part of my ‘discomfort’ at the ritual of donning the …ing thing.
 
BTW – I was talking to someone with severe COPD who was given one to wear! Great ‘health’ precaution!
 
Beam me up, Scottie

Tom_12
Tom_12
Jun 20, 2020 8:59 AM
Reply to  R Hayward

Cheezilla had this excellent link showing the relevant data to your point #3
 
https://hectordrummond.com/2020/06/15/week-22-graphs-from-christopher-bowyer/

rachel
rachel
Jun 19, 2020 12:44 PM
Reply to  Grafter

consider the danger wearing a mask causes convincing people of the legitimacy of this terror groups claims. make no mistake it is much more than your savings they are after. they want to destroy every last blade of grass.

Peter Jennings
Peter Jennings
Jun 19, 2020 2:20 PM
Reply to  Grafter

I am constantly amazed how people could think that wearing a woven cloth mask can save them from a virus which is measured in microns.
One celebrity moron even knitted her own and then posted her stupidity online for all to see. They have no shame.

Humanimal
Humanimal
Jun 19, 2020 2:34 PM
Reply to  Grafter

I suggest Mad Max style masks. Stuff that looks proper scary. Apparently the requirement is for a “face covering” so one can be creative.

Howard
Howard
Jun 19, 2020 4:26 PM
Reply to  Humanimal

Or better still, a Michael Myers hockey mask from the “Halloween” series. Now that would be scary. Imagine everyone in a grocery store looking like a homicidal maniac. Oh wait: they kind of already do, don’t they?

Mike Ellwood (Oxon, UK)
Mike Ellwood (Oxon, UK)
Jun 19, 2020 9:55 PM
Reply to  Grafter

And if you have any difficulty breathing through it, just make some holes in it. Won’t make any difference, but it means you can get on a bus.

Frances Culshaw
Frances Culshaw
Jun 19, 2020 10:56 AM

“The moral of the Emperor’s new clothes is as relevant as ever: a single honest voice can unravel the most elaborately designed fakery. People who demand the truth may be outnumbered. They cannot easily be overcome.”
 
Sorry to break it to you, but that’s not the moral of the Emperor’s New Clothes.
 
How does the tale end? Not with everyone seeing the light and laughing, but with the naked Emperor saying “The Procession Must Go On!” – which it does…
 
“And the lords of the bedchamber took greater pains than ever, to appear holding up a train, although, in reality, there was no train to hold.”
 
The emperor has the last laugh when the lords of the bedchamber double-down on the deception by taking great pains to hold up the non-existent train.

Steve Hayes
Steve Hayes
Jun 19, 2020 12:15 PM

Is it not strange how many people misread that tale?

Lost in a dark wood
Lost in a dark wood
Jun 19, 2020 5:26 PM
Reply to  Steve Hayes

. . . and carry on regardless.
 
Off course, in our more enlightened and compassionate society, the child is sent for psychiatric gaslighting and put on mind altering pills.
 

Mike Ellwood (Oxon, UK)
Mike Ellwood (Oxon, UK)
Jun 19, 2020 9:58 PM