91

WATCH: Who Will Fact Check the Fact Checkers?

James Corbett’s latest documentary unmasks the internet’s “independent” fact checking websites

We’ve all come across online fact checkers that purport to warn us away from independent media sites under the guise of protecting us from fake news. But who is behind these fact check sites? How do they operate? And if these ham-fisted attempts at soft censorship aren’t the solution to online misinformation, what is? Join James for this week’s important edition of The Corbett Report podcast, where we explore the murky world of information gatekeeping and ask “Who will fact check the fact checkers?”

For links, sources and an audio-only version click here.

SUPPORT OFFGUARDIAN

If you enjoy OffG's content, please help us make our monthly fund-raising goal and keep the site alive.

For other ways to donate, including direct-transfer bank details click HERE.

Subscribe
Notify of
guest

91 Comments
newest
oldest most voted
Inline Feedbacks
View all comments
TFS
TFS
Jun 29, 2020 1:55 PM

I’m sightly amused by the interesting search engine returns when searching for OffGuardian, that apear before and after the link to the OffG website.
 
I’m even more amused that this ‘state familia skulddugery’ actually exists, given that my search engine is DuckDuckGo.
 
 

Jura Calling
Jura Calling
Jun 25, 2020 8:49 PM

In keeping with the Big Brother discussion.I read somewhere today that- surprise surprise- Fakebook and Google, the government bullshit tools, have been manipulating their ‘facts’ again. How ironic.Or is it hypocritical.    Let’s put it all into perspective as best we can.   Anyone who questioned the covid narrative online and who had influence was swiftly removed from the internet.Youtube swept it’s floor daily and still is (Youtube is Google’s video room).Fakebook and Twitter issued a statement that they too would be doing it.Basically removing people who asked questions.Then, if they exposed the flaws in the official narrative they were named as enemies of the state.   In their place we had hyped up melodrama, insincere speeches, fake statistics and more people exposing more flaws and lies. In an attempt to misdirect everyone’s eyes from themselves, they talked about being oh so responsible and caring by having ‘independent’ fact checkers.Bullshit.How… Read more »

Moneycircus
Moneycircus
Jun 25, 2020 5:32 PM

Associated Press now has, alongside the venerable News ticker, a NotRealNews ticker.
https://apnews.com/NotRealNews
 
To be a well-informed world citizen one must be equally informed on What’s Not Happening. Sadly AP publishes its summary only once a week. Thus I must scour the web on my lonesome to find What’s Not.
 
Noosecar, aka how long the rope was in the NASCAR garage, demands my attention. AP did have a story on June 19: CLAIM: NASCAR, which recently banned the Confederate flag at its events, is now forcing its drivers to engage in Muslim prayer.
 
That doesn’t help but it begs the question, is someone gunning for NASCAR?
 
Politico has a page called, Fake news but it’s subtitled News, Analysis and Opinion from POLITICO which has me wondering is this just news that Politico disagrees with.
 
I am striving to appraise myself of What’s Not, not What’s Not Your Opinion.
 

Bo Lox
Bo Lox
Jun 24, 2020 7:52 PM

“Who Will Fact Check the Fact Checkers?”

Isn’t this very obvious? It’s the Ministry Of Truth of course.

Nixon Scraypes
Nixon Scraypes
Jun 24, 2020 12:29 PM

Fact checkers or fat chequers. The question is, who pays them?
John Rappoport has a good article on Reuters fat chequing the GMO Frankenstein man aspect of a DNA altering vaccine. Concise and understated,no more fake news June 23, 2020.

Moneycircus
Moneycircus
Jun 24, 2020 7:57 AM

Big Tech is having its own problems during this era of “defund the police”
 
1,600 idiot Google employees called on their company to stop selling products to the police – they make no mention that Google itself is a huge state spying operation, absolutely integral to the police state. Thus they deserve the description, idiot Googlers.
 
Twitter permanently banned the account of Distributed Denial of Secrets, a journalist organization that earlier this week made accessible to the public one of the largest repositories of leaked U.S. law enforcement documents to date.
 
https://gizmodo.com/1-600-googlers-call-for-an-end-to-all-contracts-with-c-1844124793

Jura Calling
Jura Calling
Jun 24, 2020 3:35 AM

Our task is to learn disambiguation.Not only for words but phrases too. Then whole paragraphs.We need to learn this skill in order to ignite natures own app , the ‘inner subtitle provider’. Once we ignite this little beauty we’re all OK.We will have developed the innate talent for critical thinking that had fallen asleep due to lack of use.   It isn’t difficult.It just sounds it.What you need to remember is that those in powerful positions are inherently corrupt now.They need to take you by the mind and hold on tightly.And squeeze if you try to get loose.When a tiny percentage want to hold that kind of grip on a huge percentage, they have to be slick.They have to win you with a smile or quip while selling you poison for your cocoa.And since the end of WW2 they have done. It was during that 6 year exercise in genocide… Read more »

Calamity Jane
Calamity Jane
Jun 24, 2020 3:54 AM
Reply to  Jura Calling

No its much simpler we just need a reasoning mind.
We already have the skills needed wisdom, clarity and understanding only we don’t access those inner qualities too caught up we are in the conditioned mind.
This inner revolution is needed before we are going to see changes in the outer world.
Otherwise this regression in human consciousness will continue for a short time but it comes down to a change needed for our very survival .
All the collective human insanity is out on display and boy does it make a lot of noise.
More people are now aware of the govt not as the media spins it a benovolent nanny but as a parasite a matrix web designed to control their minds and protecting the bankers status quo and subsidizing all their multinational corporations.
 

Jura Calling
Jura Calling
Jun 24, 2020 2:22 PM
Reply to  Calamity Jane

”No its much simpler we just need a reasoning mind.”
 
I agree.But you then go on to summarise, accurately, all the reasons why it’s far from simple.And i agree with those.
 
The only time you can get any kind of ‘rebellion’ is by persuading a herd( very easily unfortunately) that there’s a cause to identify with and defend on the streets that will make you appear to be switched on, politically correct, ‘woke’ or ‘evolved’.They won’t question the rationale or read the small print. Their egos were already bought by the initial statement.
 

Bo Lox
Bo Lox
Jun 25, 2020 9:35 AM
Reply to  Jura Calling

I thought for a minute that I’d landed on someone’s blog site by mistake.

Aldous Hexley
Aldous Hexley
Jun 24, 2020 12:21 AM

Valuable mind here with James Corbett. Many thanks, James.   His last words if I’m understanding them, “The way things are going, you may not be able to hear my voice anymore,” refer to the latest Goebbels-like thinking on how to control the Official Narrative, which he explores here via “fact-checkers” that are financed by Big Corporate interests, with sinister skills in twisting and word-weaseling and evading.   Windows 10, I believe, shows a lot of advances for the Corporate State. So much more intrusive, annoying, plastering and obliterative, un-user friendly than Windows 7 with Google in the alliance of course and watching over us–Sir! Did you browse there! oh my god! careful now!–so that browsers become increasingly officially aligned with “truth checkers” etc (as Corbett explains) and websites like Corbett’s and O-G could become increasingly difficult to access–not censorship outright, but the massaging of perception management toward the happy… Read more »

Aldous Hexley
Aldous Hexley
Jun 24, 2020 12:56 AM
Reply to  Aldous Hexley

In case you’re interested . . .   I checked on Derrick Broze, interviewed by Corbett here, and then I specifically linked in to a Derrick presentation on George Soros. This commentary is interesting although Derrick is not as polished and effective as Corbett, who is exceptional.   Derrick Broze http://theconsciousresistance.com/   D Broze on claims re Geo Soros on what he finances plus list of sources.   https://theconsciousresistance.com/is-george-soros-more-than-a-boogeyman/   I’m no fan of Soros but have been hearing a lot about his supporting Antifa and BLM. Derrick here gets into this topic in quite a bit of depth. He’s cautious and aware there is a lot of negative feeling about Soros, and attempts to figure out how accurate this is, plus supplies a number of links. Good work.   Soros seems to have a let-me-play-at-revolutionizing-the-globe-the-way-I-see-it sort of complex, involved here and there and is usually tagged “progressive.” Broze has… Read more »

S Cooper
S Cooper
Jun 24, 2020 3:01 PM
Reply to  Aldous Hexley

It would appear that scammer/pump and dumper/hedge fund vulture Soros is one of those CIA “useful associates” that “THE AGENCY” uses to further its criminal “agenda.” His commitment to a better world extends only to how much ill gotten moolah/loot he can shove in his pockets. Red Flags should go up immediately for any group that takes money from him.

Aldous Hexley
Aldous Hexley
Jun 26, 2020 6:14 PM
Reply to  S Cooper

Additionally, the link from O-G’s June 26 piece on co-opting the activism supports more depth on Soros than indicated by Derrick above. Here is the link again (from August 2016):
 
https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2016/aug/16/black-lives-matter-cashes-100-million-liberal-foun/

Howard
Howard
Jun 24, 2020 3:29 AM
Reply to  Aldous Hexley

I would expect more of a death by attrition than outright banning of sites like this and Corbett’s. By that I mean, as things degenerate under the guise of the corona family, it would be more expedient to take out those who frequent these sites one by one and confine them as being infected. That way, the sites remain; but gradually lose their base and perhaps fold for that reason. Corona=The Gift That Keeps On Giving.

Gezzah Potts
Gezzah Potts
Jun 24, 2020 4:14 AM
Reply to  Aldous Hexley

I worry that you, here, will be gone also Aldous. And everyone else that visits this site. I also wonder how far they will go. A couple months back I joked that we would have to revert back to Samizdat – as in the old Soviet Union. Maybe not so far fetched? They; the 0.01% want total control of the narrative, and if that means flicking the switch on sites like this, then that’s what they’ll do. They have no problem destroying entire countries, destroying millions of lives and raping and pillaging the Planet. I’ve only seen a couple of Derrick Broze videos, but will check out his latest. Regards Moon Of Alabama, that was one of the first sites I walked away from along with the abominably grotesque WSWS after the panicdemic hysterics began. Caitlin Johnstone followed shortly after those two as did The Grayzone. Down here in Australia,… Read more »

Aldous Hexley
Aldous Hexley
Jun 24, 2020 2:20 PM
Reply to  Gezzah Potts

Thanks, Geddah, and everyone. Geddah, are you required to wear masks on transport and in retail stores in Australia?

Gezzah Potts
Gezzah Potts
Jun 24, 2020 9:10 PM
Reply to  Aldous Hexley

Hi Aldous, no, wearing face masks in Australia is voluntary…. for now.

elsewhere
elsewhere
Jun 24, 2020 9:07 AM
Reply to  Aldous Hexley

Try installing OOSU10.exe (SU = Shut Up). It’s free & works for me (with the recommended settings) and gives you an idea how much ‘snooping’ is going on in the background.

Aldous Hexley
Aldous Hexley
Jun 24, 2020 4:16 PM
Reply to  elsewhere

Thanks for this. I didn’t know about it.

Jura Calling
Jura Calling
Jun 24, 2020 2:57 PM
Reply to  Aldous Hexley

I can understand your concerns.But you can relax- at least a little bit.   The government( the one that’s run the planet for around 100 years in the background) have moved with the progress of technology.They sponsored most of it.   Once it was the newspapers, then the radio, then TV and then movies.Excellent outlets for their lies and deceit.As media outlets grew so too did the power of propaganda.And, so to did the variety of tricks to intrude upon their subjects.   The internet has put all of the above in the dark.It has far too many bells and whistles for it’s faithful to ever leave and go back to the old ways.   The ultimate wet dream of these creatures has been along the lines of ”imagine if we could actually look and listen to people’s thoughts without microphones and surveillance”.That’s one of the reasons the superpowers played… Read more »

Aldous Hexley
Aldous Hexley
Jun 24, 2020 4:34 PM
Reply to  Jura Calling

Hey, Jura, you started off with I can relax a little bit? That’s satire, I think. Anyway, very amusing comment. I was laughing a lot here, as with the “post a photograph of their new shoes or goldfish”–but sad too in a way. Anyway, I keep thinking of Winston and how he found one particular corner in his abode where he could escape the surveillance cameras and would love to go into that corner and hunker down, free for a moment. Would also like to recommend Eugene Zamyatin’s WE (written 1920-1921), influential to Orwell I believe and quite a bit more amusing. Orwell was a brilliant prophet but less talented as a novel writer in my view.
 

Jura Calling
Jura Calling
Jun 24, 2020 7:50 PM
Reply to  Aldous Hexley

Evening Aldous..   I’ll take note of said book.Thanks.   I believe Orwell had the talent o be far more creative or even comic than he was in his books.But he had a fire burning in him.He took the old route that the great spiritual teachers took.Assume everyone is of a different intellectual level, from very high to below average.The importance of his message, like teachers before him, had to reach everyone.So he took the didactic route.He dressed his message in science fiction but left it thinly veiled enough to be viewed and understood by all.Sacrificing poetic language and imagery was worth it to him.Life isn’t amusing or poetic when you look through an honest lens.   Huxley was born into a family of intellectual giants.he was hindered by his sight disability in his studies and physical scope.But he inherited the intellectual prowess and his natural creative flair and bohemian… Read more »

Aldous Hexley
Aldous Hexley
Jun 25, 2020 1:54 AM
Reply to  Jura Calling

I have always favored BNW over 1984 myself, not that Huxley was that great of a novelist either. Again this is my personal view and another topic really. Both men, as you indicate, chose the novel form to deliver their insights into what was happening at that time. Zamiatin was doing the same sort of thing In Russia (Stalinists in charge), where he was heavily censored. But Zamiatin had the influence of Gogol and Dostoevsky as novel writers, as unique satirical voices, and which flavors his work. Voice wasn’t important to Huxley and Orwell: message was.   So BNW is much subtler than 1984 and more prescient to what actually unfolded. Aldous, by the way, died on November 22, 1963, the same day Kennedy was assassinated, but for Aldous later in the afternoon, a much quieter demise. It does seem that what has happened in terms of “layerings” of the… Read more »

Jura Calling
Jura Calling
Jun 25, 2020 8:36 PM
Reply to  Aldous Hexley

Thanks Aldous..appreciated

Howard
Howard
Jun 23, 2020 9:58 PM

I don’t think outright censorship is on the horizon. For one thing, it would put Fact Checkers out of business. What I expect to continue is how it more or less is now – at least in social media platforms like YouTube: videos and articles will be allowed to be posted, but just long enough for the Fact Checkers to debunk them; then they’ll be taken down. That way they can say “We’re not censoring; we’re just removing proven disinformation.”

Steve Hayes
Steve Hayes
Jun 24, 2020 11:23 AM
Reply to  Howard

Removing proven disinformation is another way of saying: censoring. The notion that one changes the thing by changing the words is way too fashionable (for me anyhow).

Marfanoid
Marfanoid
Jun 23, 2020 9:01 PM

Everything is a made up nonsense outside of your everything x

Calamity Jane
Calamity Jane
Jun 23, 2020 8:11 PM

In this crazy Orwellian time censorship has been redefined and is called fact checking.
To allow only one narrative it means cesorship is now justified, the wrong has been made right in weak minds by calling censorship “fact checking”.
 
What the monopoly in media( left and right) are doing is censoring by proclaiming they have the right to. “Fact checking”(exposes no internet freedom) censorship allowing only the shadow global govt narrative.
Which is fact is fact denying.

Jura Calling
Jura Calling
Jun 24, 2020 8:56 PM
Reply to  Calamity Jane

Doublethink / doublespeak then.

Moneycircus
Moneycircus
Jun 23, 2020 4:55 PM

Note that in many cases Google and Facebook PAY the fact-checkers. But the problem is much bigger than just fact checkers.   While Google and Facebook siphon advertising away from news outlets, they are taking over journalism. The following is from Google Transparency Project.   Google has spent more than $500 Million on media initiatives… but the total amount of grants is likely far higher according to GPT making it hard to know how the money is spent and what strings may be attached. In January 2019 Facebook announced it was setting up its own $300 million fund to make payments to journalism projects.   Google has embedded student reporters in some of the world’s most influential news organizations, including the BBC, Financial Times, and ProPublica. Google expanded its News Lab Fellowship program last year, saying it would provide more than 50 fellowships in 12 countries.   The publisher of… Read more »

ame
ame
Jun 23, 2020 6:23 PM
Reply to  Moneycircus

are the fact checker any different than the redistributor regurgitators on the alt right or left selling the politicians dreams
nope they exactly the same
 
factchecker for me are todays version of TV YouTube conspiracy turned endorses of politicians
 

Calamity Jane
Calamity Jane
Jun 23, 2020 10:01 PM
Reply to  ame

There sure are left to control the debate and narrative dialog. For gods sake the left can’t say there is no ” COVID” disease
COVID is a NWO status quo maintaining psyop.
https://blog.nomorefakenews.com/2020/06/23/fact-check-reuters-dna-vaccines-dont-change-your-genes/

richard
richard
Jun 23, 2020 8:24 PM
Reply to  Moneycircus

thanks, copied and saved.

Andy B
Andy B
Jun 23, 2020 4:44 PM

Makes about as much sense to me as relying on Wikipedia – or wearing a face mask on public transport. I’m getting too old to cope with the illogical ‘sheepleness’ of the 21st Century: ‘We impose our view of the facts on you, so you don’t have to formulate your own opinions. We are all wise and all-knowing’. And as soon as they take a glance, any person with two free-thinking brain cells to rub together can see what a load of odious bunk that is.

Oscar
Oscar
Jun 23, 2020 9:00 PM
Reply to  Andy B

The interweb has dumbed people down…. the TV wasn’t doing it fast enough.
I’m amazed if some people can exist without the web to tell them how to do stuff.

Jura Calling
Jura Calling
Jun 25, 2020 2:51 AM
Reply to  Oscar

To use a boxing metaphor..the TV was jab after jab after jab..the set up..the internet was that left hook and right cross.The referee’s counting but they’re out cold.

Moneycircus
Moneycircus
Jun 23, 2020 4:38 PM

I like James Corbett angry! He handles it with charm; just a little more animated. Fact Check: Polio Vaccines, Tetanus Vaccines, and the Gates Foundationis a great video, even better than the original, Who Will Fact Check The Fact Checkers.
 
Retaliating with our own independent fact checkers is not the answer. It would only train people to rely uncritically upon fact checkers – that’s exactly the point I made below. Instead we must expose who funds the fact checkers and train people to think for themselves.

ame
ame
Jun 23, 2020 4:32 PM

Doesn’t anyone find it odd that there has been no pandemic outbreak in the Police Force , Army and Public Sector   So the govt has announced that “from Saturday 1 August, the guidance will be relaxed so clinically extremely vulnerable people will no longer be advised to shield …” and that the “government shielding support package will remain in place until the end of July ……….. in the meantime and out of know where they managed to create make drum roll….   As of June 2020 the availability of Video Relay Service (VRS) is being further extended to customers claiming Jobseekers Allowance and Income Support, and to those wishing to contact Debt Management or the National Benefit Fraud Hotline. Each service will be fully tested before it is made available for customers.(bullshit) remember the government is all about looking after the poor disabled and old sick DNR apples to all.… Read more »

jess
jess
Jun 23, 2020 6:02 PM
Reply to  ame

the virologist stefan lanka has videos explaining how pathogenic viruses do not exist. he said germany was the only country that even had laws to validate such allegations and won the case showing measles was not a viral infection.

ame
ame
Jun 23, 2020 6:18 PM
Reply to  jess

thanks
what i wrote had nothing to virologists nor measles or whatever medical name it is they give there still looking for a cure for cancer 100 years and counting LOL so CV or BS19 is here to stay !
 
entry level real health shows inner terrain is everything so is detoxification.
 
my slapdash above was about the Video Relay Service (VRS) amoung other things
 
 
 
 

Jura Calling
Jura Calling
Jun 25, 2020 2:59 AM
Reply to  jess

So what does he say pathogens are and what was the case he won ?

Reg
Reg
Jun 23, 2020 4:17 PM

Rappoport does a fact-check. And he’s vastly more credible than the mainstream propaganda drones.
 
https://blog.nomorefakenews.com/2020/06/23/fact-check-reuters-dna-vaccines-dont-change-your-genes/

Red Covair
Red Covair
Jun 23, 2020 3:35 PM

Here is an interesting sequel to James Corbett’s documentary on “Fact Checkers” James published today, June 23: “A listener writes in to lament that The Corbett Report is spreading false facts about Bill Gates in the Who Is Bill Gates? documentary . . . at least, according to the fact checkers. But are they right?”
https://www.corbettreport.com/fact-check-polio-vaccines-tetanus-vaccines-and-the-gates-foundation/
 

S Cooper
S Cooper
Jun 23, 2020 4:12 PM
Reply to  Red Covair

“The Corbett Report is spreading false facts about Bill Gates” says ‘Doc’ Billy Eugenics (“the World’s first trillionaire”) PR Dept. Did one expect them to say anything different?
 
 
“EUTHANASIA DEATH SHOTS FOR UNTERMENSCHEN & USELESS EATERS EVERYWHERE.”
 comment image
 
 
JUST SAY NO to ‘Doc’ Billy!

Thom
Thom
Jun 23, 2020 3:13 PM

Hilariously, the BBC had a dedicated “fact-check” unit during the general election campaign last year – yes, that’s right, the one where they smeared Corbyn all day and every day like he was Hitler. That kind of hypocrisy tells you all you need to know about these self-proclaimed fact-checkers.

ame
ame
Jun 23, 2020 4:47 PM
Reply to  Thom

conservative party changed it twitter handle to fact checker during the election debate
true
 
 
 

Cheezilla
Cheezilla
Jun 23, 2020 5:28 PM
Reply to  ame

They made it perfectly clear throughout their election campaign that we were dealing with a bunch of barefaced, brassnecked liars.

S Cooper
S Cooper
Jun 23, 2020 5:09 PM
Reply to  Thom

Poor Dears! Depending on BRITISH BULLSHIT CORP for information.
 
 
https://twitter.com/TankzU/status/685574474872287233/photo/1
 
 
THEY ARE SO SCREWED.

Grafter
Grafter
Jun 23, 2020 7:33 PM
Reply to  Thom

No free thinking person should be paying the BBC “licence fee” for their non stop propaganda. They are a corrupt organisation and are a threat to us all.

Jura Calling
Jura Calling
Jun 25, 2020 3:00 AM
Reply to  Thom

Factoid : Bill Gates has shares in the BBC

Gezzah Potts
Gezzah Potts
Jun 23, 2020 2:07 PM

And as the Orwellian darkness descends on us all, censorship will exponentially increase, with alternative, independent media increasingly attacked, and debunked as ‘false information’ or labelled ‘fake news’ by the protectors of the Establishment.
A recent, and brilliant article here at OffGuardian ‘It’s All Bullshit’ also fell victim for the flimiest of reasons. The strawman reason as James points out.
The increasing levels of ‘fact checkers’ is designed for two things: to maintain control of the narrative, and to deter those questioning what is happening to investigate further.
This is very insidious and dangerous. It so smacks of 1984. The bastards running the world want the truth squashed. And yep, as always follow the money trail. Who is actually funding these so called ‘fact checkers’?

sharon marlowe
sharon marlowe
Jun 23, 2020 1:59 PM

The follow-up to this Corbett Report was released today:
 
“Fact Check: Polio Vaccines, Tetanus Vaccines, and the Gates Foundation”https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HaHuTNh8fAo
 
This new report is excellent. James Corbett gets a viewer e-mail saying that his Bill Gates series had false information in it. James goes step-by-step analyzing the allegations in the e-mail, and at the same time details the way in which a person should be their own fact-checker, not deferring that part of thinking to faith in others. Awareness of conflicts of interest, the straw-man diversion, the need for close-reading/listening instead of just skimming, and following the links, feature throughout. It’s just a fantastic Corbett Report.
 
Really, the disconnect I feel on political issues with people I know is because of our ideas on what is or isn’t factual information;)

Moneycircus
Moneycircus
Jun 23, 2020 1:15 PM

Surreal: the “reputable” news sites now feel obliged to run pages like this one: Not real news roundup: Here’s a look at what didn’t happen this week On George Floyd being linked to the Obama Foundation — On Hitler defunding the police — On NPR calling for book burning — On Lee’s stance on slavery — Aunt Jemima was born into slavery. She was a magnificent cook — Nigel Farage making disparaging remarks about the British people   And when you search for a story that irks TPTB, you will find Google is bloated with search results like this… schoolchildren competing to be first to answer teacher: The Obama Foundation did not publish George Floyd photo Claim: The Obama Foundation posted a tweet on May 17, 2020 with a photo of George Floyd, eight days before his death in police custody… Claimed by: multiple sources… Fact check by AFP: False  … Read more »

bob
bob
Jun 23, 2020 1:14 PM

Fact Check:
 
It’s 4 years today since the UK voted to leave the eu – that’s gone well hasn’t it? I don’t suppose anything that’s happening in britain today has anything to do with overthrowing the democratic will of the people does it – blimey, democracy – what was that?
Anyone fancy a pint?
 

Thom
Thom
Jun 23, 2020 3:26 PM
Reply to  bob

You’ve obviously missed the fact that the UK left the EU on January 31st. And since then the economy has tanked, just as wiser heads said it would.
No, I don’t know what democracy is either. The UK is a vassal state of the US and if they want Brexit that’s what we get.
I wouldn’t mind a pint but your Johnson/Cummings Brexit regime won’t let us go to the pub for another ten days.
 
 

bob
bob
Jun 23, 2020 4:56 PM
Reply to  Thom

hello Thom
 

  1. we haven’t officially left the eu – given covid we are in the “transmission” phase
  2. the economy was tanking anyway
  3. it’s not my johnson/cummings regime – i didn’t vote for any of them
  4. I’ll get my own beer, thanks
Oscar
Oscar
Jun 23, 2020 9:07 PM
Reply to  bob

‘Transmission stage’… is it contagious?

Kalen
Kalen
Jun 23, 2020 12:35 PM

The true ‘fact” checking is a bad idea by definition not only in a prostituted form employed by sociopolitical operatives to discredit opponents but in a genuine form as well. It is because it shifts burden and responsibility for providing fact based convincing evidences and limitations of conclusions based on those evidences from those who present their “truths” toward the public itself. The acceptance of this reversal of burden of proof by alternative media that are trying to prove MSM propaganda wrong is in fact detrimental to the establishment of the truth and is the base for charge of spreading conspiracy theories while official theories are not nearly close enough to provide conclusive explanation of observed reality as hard data required to make any definite judgement is concealed or only partly disclosed to public in a manipulative ways. And hence such questionable, devoid of convincing evidences stories from any sources… Read more »

Steve Hayes
Steve Hayes
Jun 23, 2020 1:35 PM
Reply to  Kalen

Socrates was an ideologue of tyranny and despotism.

richard
richard
Jun 23, 2020 8:18 PM
Reply to  Steve Hayes

please give examples

Steve Hayes
Steve Hayes
Jun 24, 2020 9:01 AM
Reply to  richard

I would invite you to read any of the contemporary sources, especially Plato. Socrates thought that one person should rule absolutely, with no constraints whatsoever. His students all supported Sparta and twice, with the assistance of this foreign state, overthrew Athenian democracy. Socrates and his followers had nothing but contempt for the people and considered it the height of absurdity that the people should participate in the rule of their society.

Mikeb
Mikeb
Jun 23, 2020 2:38 PM
Reply to  Kalen

Qiute right about parents. I had a father that didn’t give a sh@t and didn’t teach me even as little as how to take care of my manly bits and a mother that was deferent to any and all in power from whatever profession or standing. Telling you to shush if you were near a doctor or some such. You couldn’t make a noise in hospitals either, you getting the dissaproving glances off mother. Apparently she was a communist party member also? Weird no? Shouldn’t she have been anti authority? Well u.k. authority anyway? I don’t know, I have no idea how your supposed to behave, I don’t think I’ve got it right yet. It definitely ruffled some feathers anyway my two sons time in the British army being puncuated by interviews and note taking at intervals… But not mine, not so much s a backwards glance. My sons interviews… Read more »

crispy
crispy
Jun 23, 2020 12:31 PM

First rule of fact check,THERE ARE NO FACTS second rule of fact check,THERE ARE NO FACTS third rule of fact check,Corbett is a muppet,and useful idiot of the Kremlin who basically want to destroy all truth,all knowledge,all everything,including OFF GUARDIAN readers,by infestation of your mind cells by memetic engineering the moral of this,don’t buy into BS from idiot muppet types like Corbett,he’s basically a double triple,super deep state,propaganda,truth sneaker and best friend of the Kremlin,actually working for the CIA, but really a green lizard man who single handed destroyed the Twin Towers with lizard breath …..They Live,wink,wink 😜😜😜😜 Oh,if anyone is interested i can sell them my patented ‘ truth goggles ‘ which will allow you to see the lizard tongue on Corbett,who’s actual lizard name is, Actal- zul 233- dasrthrub- a dil- doooo …..its all true,i consulted my tea leaves this morning and they told me not to trust… Read more »

Paul too
Paul too
Jun 23, 2020 2:30 PM
Reply to  crispy

Psychiatrists office still closed? You could try calling them.

crispy
crispy
Jun 23, 2020 7:31 PM
Reply to  Paul too

I’m only here for the beer!

But come on, chill a little,you need a bit of crispy fun

Stop tacking everything so seriously

When the nukes are hitting a town or city close to you,that’s when you know you’re fucked!

Otherwise,take advice from the airline industry,

Sit back,relax,and enjoy the flight 😘

I DENY YOUR BS
I DENY YOUR BS
Jun 23, 2020 6:00 PM
Reply to  crispy

I’d like to order a pair of truth sneakers and a pair of truth goggles please.

crispy
crispy
Jun 23, 2020 7:28 PM
Reply to  I DENY YOUR BS

On there way!

Rusty
Rusty
Jun 23, 2020 12:24 PM

The BBC ‘fact checking’ is like the police doing an internal investigation.
The BBC sometimes has a ‘reality check’ to add to the behavioural psychology aspect of its propaganda machine. Presumably they have to fact and reality check with The Ministry of Truth.

bob
bob
Jun 23, 2020 11:00 AM

Fact Check:

1.George Floyd murdered on twitter – BLM comes to the fore and the riots begin across the world

2.Three (white) men murdered in Reading – nothing to see here – no rioting – no looting – nothing

3. Plane flies over football match with banner saying ‘White Lives Matter’ – absolute shitstorm in the british media with politicians saying it’s unacceptable

what the fuck is going on in this country?

aspnaz
aspnaz
Jun 23, 2020 12:16 PM
Reply to  bob

Talking about this to a black friend the other night, I said that white guys are killed all the time, by police, criminals etc, but the white community does not riot.

His reply was “Why not?”. He then started telling me how maybe we should be rioting. This guy works in a senior position in a big US bank here in HK. He probably gets paid about 300k USD a year and he is complaining.

My conclusion is the same: people don’t suffer enough these days to appreciate what they’ve got.

ame
ame
Jun 23, 2020 5:15 PM
Reply to  bob

even more amazing ti was done on solstice and a plane was able to fly over area which according to the reports have a no fly zone due to CV19
sound more like a ritual
 

John Milton
John Milton
Jun 23, 2020 8:20 PM
Reply to  bob

Dear friend,   It’s not just this country, it is most countries.   I have often thought about this and have concluded that it must be a coordinated wide-reaching plot to cause civil unrest and division.   Ever since Bliar was in power, there was a massive push towards extreme political correctness. It has only gotten worse since, especially with the current woke agenda.   This coupled with coordinated mass “illegal” immigration of people whose values are largely incompatible with those of the host countries is, by design, done to create a deep feeling of unease amongst the population.   In other words, white people are at every opportunity labelled as racist, prejudiced, evil, rapists (males), far right etc; even for just daring to state a reasonable opinion. Whereas people who demonstrate all of the previous traits are free to carry on because of their ‘ethnicity’ or religion.   The… Read more »

Jura Calling
Jura Calling
Jun 25, 2020 3:10 AM
Reply to  bob

Once you stop criticising or disagreeing with Gays, Trans( times about 20), blacks, Jews, Muslims, climate deniers, holocaust deniers, woke, justice warriors, immigrants, the disabled, animal rights activists, any or all political parties and their supporters,lesbians, paedophiles against Disney, and fox hunting, you’ll be fine.You’ll be all out of ideas and opinions and have nothing to say.No thought police needed, just their halfwits to start a dozen ‘movements’ to make you feel good about yourself and the human race.We can censor ourselves to avoid the politically correct bores and our free speech wont be an argument we can have with the government.We censored ourselves to avoid the clowns boring us to death.Ironically, once we’re all too shit scared to speak or express an opinion we’ll have a hundred separate groups patting each other on their backs celebrating our ‘oneness’. Ask yourself, who wants as many factions of this or that… Read more »

Edwige
Edwige
Jun 23, 2020 8:45 AM

“Check” is just more word magick. Who has check as their logo?

Moneycircus
Moneycircus
Jun 23, 2020 7:47 AM

The last part of Corbett’s video from 40:00 minutes is excellent: Should we retaliate with our own independent fact checkers?   My answer is, ‘no’! We are in the business of IDEAS. And ideas cannot be reduced to a blue check mark. Instead we must show who funds the fact checkers.   The three biggest global industries are energy, weapons and narcotics (legal and illegal). Go and see who runs and pays for the fact checkers. Most of the fact checkers push arguments that benefit these vested interests. By setting up our own independent fact checkers we give them credibility. We must not.   It would give people the false hope that some other body is the fount of wisdom. That if only they can find that person or organization, everything they say will be true. That is the mindset of a cult member looking for a leader. We must… Read more »

UndeadDodo
UndeadDodo
Jun 23, 2020 11:27 AM
Reply to  Moneycircus

Thanks for the video. He expressed better than I can do myself notions and ideas that have been on my mind for quite a while. It’s good to know I’m not “mad, bad and dangerous…to know”.
As for ‘follow the funding’ strategy, ditto. I’ve doing that for sometime now. Not always easy to trace bit most illuminating when you can get it.

Moneycircus
Moneycircus
Jun 23, 2020 12:31 PM
Reply to  UndeadDodo

Roszak’s interview is wonderful, especially when he says the essence of education is to teach students how to deal with ideas, especially big ideas. Because not all ideas are good. Some are toxic. Ideas of a master race, for example… https://youtu.be/Y4mzEvqsiuY?t=589   This is very important when if you look at the ideas that are being presented during this Covid Event – many are bad ideas driven by information.   Roszak: Ideas generate information, not the other way around. Information is the lowest level at which the mind functions: looking up a telephone number, buying a plane ticket. That is why these functions have been computerized.   The computer is overestimated, however, as a model of the human mind. DNA was discovered at the same time as the computer became popular. DNA was presented as an information processing system, the body as a bio computer.   The idea that we… Read more »

Moneycircus
Moneycircus
Jun 23, 2020 6:27 AM

Fact check this:   Folgers releases Pro-BLM statement over black coffee   Popular Mechanics, that brought you the official 9/11 fantasy, has published a guide on How to Remove Racist Statue | Physics of Taking Down Statues.   Johnson & Johnson has decided to stop selling skin-whitening creams.   Ford Motor Co is delaying the launch of its new Bronco, because OJ.   German city erects statue to Lenin who owned no slaves but enslaved a nation   AP has changed its style guide to capitalize Black.   The CEO of Chick-fil-A shined a Black man’s shoes on stage — at which the man, Christian rapper Lecrae Moore, quipped: forget my shoes. Why don’t you give me some stock.   Eskimo Pie will drop its name.   Sambo’s restaurant chain in Santa Barbara is no more. It was founded by SAM Battistone and Newell BOhnett in 1957.   The family… Read more »

aspnaz
aspnaz
Jun 23, 2020 1:02 PM
Reply to  Moneycircus

That reminds me of Nigella’s eggnog restaurant.

Inspector Savage sends his apologies to the offended.

Ort
Ort
Jun 23, 2020 7:35 PM
Reply to  Moneycircus

Hallelujah! The Great Re-Awakening has arrived at last!

Reg
Reg
Jun 23, 2020 5:18 AM
Moneycircus
Moneycircus
Jun 23, 2020 5:05 AM

Here’s something they fact check: Trump used the word ‘thug’. Here’s something they do NOT fact check: Obama used the word ‘thug’. Maybe the problem is that ‘thug’ is overplayed, just like ‘systemic racism’.   Corporatist media has a problem going after Trump for using word ‘thug’ because in 2015 President Obama “said he doesn’t regret using the term “thug” in describing the violent rioters in Baltimore this week, spokesman Josh Earnest said.”   Use of the word goes way back before Tupac Shakur’s record, Thug Life.   But why, if thuggery is a problem, why do we keep hearing about institutional, even systemic, racism. This is because if you have Democrats, even ethnic minorities, in charge of institutions for 20 years, then you have to explain why they have failed to improve life for ethnic minorities.   On the other side is something that happened in 1994. 11-year-old Robert‘Yummy’… Read more »

Godfree Roberts
Godfree Roberts
Jun 23, 2020 4:34 AM

In 1644, when John Milton protested, “Give me the liberty to know, to utter, and to argue freely according to conscience, above all liberties,” his ‘tyranny’ was Catholic orthodoxy and his ‘liberty’ was the right to acknowledge Oliver Cromwell as the reincarnation of Moses. His protests made him a ‘protestant’ just when private printers birthed our mass media and lit the fires of public contention that still blaze brightly.   Private presses churned out religious screeds that advocated belief over evidence and scandal sheets that exacerbated factional power struggles and the results were frequently as disastrous then as they are now. Said German Chancellor Bernhard von Bülow⁠1 in 1909, “Most of the conflicts the world has seen in the past century have not been called forth by princely ambition or ministerial conspiracy, but by the passionate agitation of public opinion which, through press and parliament, has swept the executive along.” … Read more »

Steve Hayes
Steve Hayes
Jun 23, 2020 12:31 PM

Freedom of expression is a fundamental human right.

I DENY YOUR BS
I DENY YOUR BS
Jun 23, 2020 6:43 PM
Reply to  Steve Hayes

“Journalists” presenting “news” and “facts” are not expressing themselves, and have routinely betrayed human rights!

wardropper
wardropper
Jun 23, 2020 4:20 AM

The matter of checking the checkers has, naturally, always been an issue with any media which claim anything at all. Ultimately, one needs to hone one’s own instincts by constant practice, until one eventually reaches a point where one can say, with reasonable confidence, that one actually knows something, with the best proof of this consisting in living your knowledge to the hilt.
 

Wilmers31
Wilmers31
Jun 23, 2020 6:00 AM
Reply to  wardropper

It would be amusing that all Australian media refer to the secrecy of the Witness K case as related to the oil and gas negotiations.
 
No, if the then new nation Timor Leste did NOT have the Australian installed bugging devices they could have been truly independent. Australia made sure they’d be roped into the US camp – by hook or by crook. No media is checking facts here.

wardropper
wardropper
Jun 23, 2020 8:57 PM
Reply to  Wilmers31

I don’t think any country is free of it, unfortunately.

S Cooper
S Cooper
Jun 23, 2020 4:18 AM

Will wonders never cease. The Goebbelsites have come up with an information and news credibility/veracity service.

WorldParole
WorldParole
Jun 23, 2020 5:13 AM
Reply to  S Cooper

“I am a Woke Furloughed Asymptomatic Anti-Racist Contact-Tracer Fact-Checking BLM Antifa Face-Mask PCR Corona-Positive CHOP/CHAZ/MAGA Quarantined Social-Distanced PPE’d Essential Worker Protest Rioter.”

…all you had to do was say “No” to MSM 4 months ago.