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Colorado Adopts Mandatory Vaccinations for Children

Renée Parsons

Since the arrival of the coronavirus, the use of and familiarity with vaccines has dramatically increased prompting a more aware and questioning public. With little more than a 48-hour public notice, many Coloradans were enjoying a brilliant Sunday afternoon as the State Senate Health and Insurance Committee was squirreled away in the confines of the State Capitol to approve the School Entry Immunization Act, also known as SB 20-163.

While a Sunday afternoon may not seem an appropriate time for a legislative body to accept witness testimony or to conduct its legislative business unless there is a clear intent to limit public participation. That kind of strategy has a way of boomeranging with a loss of public trust and confidence; yet the Democrats had an intense legislative urge to codify SB 163 with as little public input as possible. The Dems control both Houses of the General Assembly as well as the Governor’s mansion; thereby controlling the State’s entire legislative agenda.

What the Democrats were not counting on was Robert F. Kennedy, Jr., on his way to becoming a national icon, who arrived to testify against SB 136. He was allotted two minutes to address the committee. What else the Dems were not counting on was a last-minute rally attended by 3,000 outside the Capitol that Sunday afternoon. Kennedy quoted one of the Democratic members of the Committee who told the media:

If we can’t get a vaccination bill passed during a pandemic, then we’ll never get it passed.”

Speaking to the throng, Kennedy went on to call out the Democrats:

I am a lifelong Democrat …what they are doing here today is antithetical to every value that the Democratic party has expressed in its 200 year history.”

Adoption of SB 163 was accomplished on a party-line vote; beginning with Committee approval and through the Senate and House votes to adoption. During House consideration, a bipartisan amendment was added to allow for a voter referendum in the 2022 election but the majority on the Conference Committee removed that language.

In addition, much of the state’s MSM provided minimal reporting on the Dems slipping SB 163 through on a Sunday afternoon, Kennedy’s appearance before the Committee or the size of the last-minute rally.

As its name implies, SB 163 mandates “immunizations“ for all children entering Colorado public schools; thereby taking the decision out of the parent’s hands and requiring a doctor to certify approval. The fact that the bill contains elements akin to Orwell’s 1984 Big Brother regime is disturbing.

SB 163 requires the State’s educational system to aid and abet in the monitoring of its students as it requires each public school to collect each proof of immunization and each exemption request that is filed.

Each school must also establish a tracking system and provide an annual report on that school’s rate of immunizations and the number of exemptions issued.

Such bureaucratese indicates, rather than a parental responsibility, each child’s vaccination will be tracked by the school district throughout that child’s history as a student.

Of special interest, SB 163 indicates there is an onerous “submission process” for those wishing to claim a non-medical exemption such as a “religious belief whose teachings are opposed to immunizations or a personal belief opposed to immunizations.”

Those individuals must submit a “certificate” that their chosen religion has adopted a policy regarding vaccinations and a certificate that they have completed an online “educational module“, which you can expect to be little more than a one-sided harangue on the virtues of vaccinations.

As adopted, SB 163 is compatible with another totalitarian oriented legislation introduced by Congressional Democrats as HR 6666, the Trace Act (Testing, Reaching and Contacting Everyone). The TRACE Act will establish a nationwide vaccine monitoring system with a force of vaccine tracking agents.

Much of the American public remains unaware that frequently used synthetic materials such as mercury, aluminum, msg, formaldehyde, polysorbate 80. and glyphosate are routinely inserted (among other ingredients), which RFK Jr identifies as neurotoxins, carcinogens or related to autoimmune disease.

The US was the first country in the world to be founded on the concept that each person has an inherent individual right to live their own life without government intrusion. Those rights were enshrined in the Bill of Rights, the Fourteenth Amendment and remain a bedrock of the American system. Just as the landmark 1973 Roe v Wade decision was based on an individual right to choose, the same inherent right exists for those who deserve the choice to vaccinate.

Colorado Governor Jared Polis has promised to sign SB 163 into law.

Renee Parsons is a former member of the ACLU’s Florida State Board of Directors and President of the ACLU Treasure Coast Chapter. She has been an elected public official in Colorado, an environmental lobbyist with Friends of the Earth and staff member in the US House of Representatives in Washington DC. She may be reached at [email protected].

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Eyes Open
Eyes Open
Jul 4, 2020 7:33 PM

From what I know, children are the group least affected by covid-19. So these mandatory vaccines, which may cause some children damage, are state sanctioned child abuse.

Mack
Mack
Jun 30, 2020 3:34 PM

The movie The Humanity Bureau shows a good example of how these “tracking forces” operate.
Not to mention the already build-in corruptability of such a system.

If we complain about abusive police (control) forces now, and have a clear picture of the abuses committed by TSA and homeland security forces, these will be nothing compared to the abuse we will experience at the hands of vaccine tracking forces, as they will become the doorway to participation in day to day life.

Never forget: Nothing is as it seems, and governments lie ALL the time. No rule/regulation is straightforward and nothing is “just” for the benefit of the populace.

threedawgs123
threedawgs123
Jun 28, 2020 2:39 AM

Either accept totalitarian tyranny or obliterate it by force. There are no other choices that are viable!

77 Brigade - Retired
77 Brigade - Retired
Jun 26, 2020 1:15 PM

Vaccines are (in the main) untested and toxic.
Over the years our family have had hundreds of needles stuck into them.
Now we all concentrate on building our immune systems NATURALLY.
Small amounts of good food, plenty of exercise and a positive attitude!
Far more effective and healthy than shooting-up on BigPharm junk.
 
No more vaccinations for us!
And like the wretched BBC and its licence – we have opted OUT!

I DENY YOUR BS
I DENY YOUR BS
Jun 27, 2020 11:28 AM

BigPharm -coincidentally- sounds like PigFarm

jess
jess
Jun 25, 2020 9:21 PM

the article is violating health and safety law. it doesnt have a warning about the signs of a lock down. you could put its just for fun like in stuck with u. x

jess
jess
Jun 25, 2020 9:36 PM
Reply to  jess

soald is recognised as a great law. stick to it. one strike n u r out:)

John Pretty
John Pretty
Jun 25, 2020 1:39 PM

Well this has certainly caused some lively discussion. I’m sorry that my point regarding vaccines has been misunderstood. I’ll try again.
 
Much of the opinion here seems to be anti-vax. I have no problem with that. I support freedom of choice with regard to vaccination. I regard forced vaccination as a violation.
 
BUT not everyone is anti vaccination. Some want it and I don’t think that all vaccines are dangerous. (If you do that’s fine.)
 
If you want to have your child vaccinated that is your choice too. And it is not acceptable in my book for anyone to prevent a parent who wants their child vaccinated from exercising that choice.
 
Some say that vaccines are dangerous. Not everyone believes that. I don’t.
 
Vaccines have been around for many decades. I don;t think the ones I received when I was a child harmed me in any way. They might even have saved my life.
 
That does not mean that vaccines should not be very rigorously tested before being administered to the general population.
 
I don’t think a covid19 vaccine is necessary.
 
The disease is mild for most people that get it. Your immune system can deal with it as it deals with colds.
 
At the moment I think there is too much paranoia around regarding this virus and there is too much of a rush to produce a vaccine. I fear that any vaccine will not be properly tested.
 
As for Bill Gates. I don’t like him, but I don’t think his intention is to cull the human population. If you think that is his intention then that is fine, but I am not convinced of that.
 
If I was asked if I wanted a covid19 vaccine I would say “no, thank you”. But that would be my choice.

Willem
Willem
Jun 25, 2020 7:25 PM
Reply to  John Pretty

The question is: is it really a choice?

I think many people want a vaccination because they have been taken by the scare tactic that if you do not vaccinate Yourself you are going to get a ‘terrible disease’

I am all for making up your own choices, but it is not absolute. If someone decides something to do that is against his own interest, I do think there is a moral that you should try to stop that person to do something that is against his own interest.

The question of course is: which decisions are against someone’s own interest? – that may be a difficult question to answer but nevertheless a question that should be asked every now and then. And the person who says it is against someone else’s interest to do something should be able to thoroughly explain why that is the case

Consider a father who walks with his 4 year old son, and the son wants to cross the street, but a car is coming. Of course father stops the son from crossing the street, but (if he is a good father) should explain to his son on what authority he decided that his son could not cross the street.

It’s the ‘we know better’ mentality of the pro-vaxxers who nevertheless cannot explain why you should be pro Covid19 vaccination what annoys me. There are plenty of reasons to be against vaccination though. Like: A not well tested vaccine with potentially side effects, a vaccine for a disease that will clear itself in 99% of cases and the right to choose for yourself to not vaccinate if the evidence for benefit is simply not there.

jess
jess
Jun 25, 2020 9:09 PM
Reply to  Willem

dr morse has videos explaining cold and flu like symptoms are not a “disease” but a detox easily cleared on fruit. no disease means notion of a vaccine is bogus.

Captain Spock
Captain Spock
Jun 25, 2020 8:07 PM
Reply to  John Pretty

up until fairly recently i hadn’t paid much attention to the issues with vaccinations.. After all, i had a few during primary school days, and into secondary school as i’m sure we all did.. Back in the 1970’s and 1980’s it was a different game, especially here in the UK…
 
Personally, i don’t think that an occasional vaccine does any harm, if the ingredients are safe enough and they’ve been through rigorous testing..
 
I was shocked to learn though, that in the USA, by the time that a child is 18, they will have had around 76 vaccine shots… Nobody will tell me that this is harmless… It’s an insane assault on these sensitive and beautiful organisms, and absolutely unnecessary..
 
With the energy that’s being channeled into the Cv19 agenda for global vaccination, i’m convinced that very shady energies are working through the scientists and corporate shareholders of the chemical companies..
 
It looks like the UK is opening to the american way, and in a few years our children will also be assaulted by jab after jab of toxic chemicals, instead of being allowed to evolve naturally so their brain and nervous system can develop in a way that honours millions of years of evolution..
 
The mystic scientist Rudolf Steiner saw this coming back in the early 1900’s and boy was his vision clear…
 
This is a spiritual war, and folk best get tuned in…
 
The whole trend goes in a direction where a way will finally be found to vaccinate bodies so that these bodies will not allow the inclination towards spiritual ideas to develop and all their lives people will believe only in the physical world they perceive with the senses. Out of impulses which the medical profession gained from presumption ” oh, I beg your pardon, from the consumption they themselves suffered ” people are now vaccinated against consumption, and in the same way they will be vaccinated against any inclination towards spirituality. This is merely to give you a particularly striking example of many things which will come in the near and more distant future in this field ” the aim being to bring confusion into the impulses which want to stream down to earth after the victory of the spirits of light.”
 
Rudolf Steiner 1917
 
 

Wearing the Armour
Wearing the Armour
Jun 26, 2020 2:41 PM
Reply to  Captain Spock

@ Spock,
 
Spiritual Warfare (and the nature of vibrational fields / energetic frequencies) is already way past the comprehension of the masses.
 
Even people well studied in ‘religion’ do not often comprehend the nature of energy, vibration, frquency, consiousness, and the body as ‘avatar’ (ie the Soul / Spirit is real but the body is just a vessel for that essence in this earthly dimension / lower kingdom).
 
I doubt very much that generations even 2 or 3 from now, much less further in the future, will have any knowledge of the Esoteric Philosophies and Occulted Sciences the so called ‘Elite’ are clearly very well versed (and mock us with through symbolism and ritual).
 
Spiritual Warfare is perhaps the greatest and most dangerous form of warfare, yet so very few have the eyes and hears to see or hear the signs and messages, much less comprehend the warnings.
 
Those who do have the eyes to see and the ears to hear, and retain the God given ability to think, are the few, the very few, the true remnant.

jess
jess
Jun 27, 2020 6:26 AM

i think you block out such ideas like in the ariana song get well soon. what steiner feared is not something you should help manifest. future generations will do much better.

I DENY YOUR BS
I DENY YOUR BS
Jun 27, 2020 10:57 AM
Reply to  Captain Spock

a.k.a. spiritual lobotomy and the domestication of humanity. From homo sapiens to homo utilis.

Renee Parsons
Renee Parsons
Jun 25, 2020 1:11 PM

Update: It appears that Colorado Governor Jared Polis will not ‘sign’ SB 163 as his signature is not actually required for the law to take effect. Yes, his signature is a mere technicality.
There may be two reasons: In 2019, Polis was ambivalent on the topic of mandatory school age vaccinations and the strength of the opposition to mandatory vaccinations in Colorado is high and growing.

Lost in a dark wood
Lost in a dark wood
Jun 25, 2020 5:35 AM

Andrew Wakefield has created a playlist on his Channel “Vaccine Risks”. It states:

In this series [Oct 2018], Andrew Wakefield examines the impact of modern vaccination. Using the measles virus as an example, Wakefield considers the safety studies, risks, and effectiveness of vaccines. His conclusions are going to surprise you.

1. Vaccines: Their Safety, Effectiveness, and Risks
2. The Greatest Killers
3. Natural History of the Measles
4. Mortality, Why?
5. Natural Herd Immunity
6. Dawn of the Vaccine Era
7. Measles in a Highly Vaccinated Population
8. Efficacy and Safety
9. Immunology 101
10. Age and Vaccination
11. Herd Immunity in the Vaccine Era
12. Introduction of MMR
13. Concurrent Viral Exposure
14. Measles and Biodiversity
15. Challenge
16. Final Lecture [duplicated as #17]

In this final video, Andrew Wakefield provides a synthesis and overview of the lecture series. Wakefield recalls the impact of antibiotics over the past century, and how today we are discussing the terrible prospect of antibiotic resistance.

What are the implications of antibiotic resistance for the world, and are there any correlations to how vaccines are used for viruses? Why does measles get so much press when the data showed it was becoming milder in the advent before vaccination? Are we providing additional pressure for the virus to become more virulent?

jess
jess
Jun 25, 2020 5:21 PM

stefan lanka has offered 100,000 euro reward to anyone who can prove the existance of measlesvirus. wouldnt that be easy money for wakefield? if no virus then how can the injection be a vaccine?

Andy B
Andy B
Jun 25, 2020 2:16 AM

‘And Mr Bill Gates laughed to see such fun – ‘VAX!’ went the sheeple’. Nursery rhymes for our times, Part 1.

aspnaz
aspnaz
Jun 25, 2020 1:35 AM

Plenty of US doctors will take a bung instead: the politicians wouldn’t have voted for this without that get-out clause. Can’t afford it? Oops, you are not rich enough to escape the oppression: A small taste of the true nature of a Marxist egalitarian society.

Voz a0db
Voz a0db
Jun 25, 2020 12:36 AM

Just move to another State!

wardropper
wardropper
Jun 25, 2020 12:57 PM
Reply to  Voz a0db

I think you realize that moving to another State is a very complicated process. You need a job which provides secure income, you need a home, and your whole family needs to be of an age where moving would not cause serious educational or mental disruption.
Frankly, my disgust with the entire world’s politics in the 21st Century tempts me to want to move to another planet, but that, too, is a complicated process.
So the answer for both of us is to state quite simply that it is the State which has become corrupt, and therefore it is the State which has to be uncorrupted. I’m not moving anywhere.
 

Marfanoid
Marfanoid
Jun 24, 2020 10:52 PM

Has anybody really got a clue whatd going on ? Massive NO know.Cats do x

jess
jess
Jun 24, 2020 11:08 PM
Reply to  Marfanoid

the best i can say is watch a video called the tipping point for humanity is happening now. its the only thing to push in the right direction.

jess
jess
Jun 25, 2020 12:11 AM
Reply to  jess

its pretty similar to stuck with you. we’re home. lock the door and throw out the key.

Ort
Ort
Jun 24, 2020 10:51 PM

As I’ve been commenting ad nauseam: it’s obvious enough that as a general rule, all of the Western Elected Misrepresentatives who bought into and promulgated the Megadeath Virus of Doom Big Lie, and have aggressively promoted the pathological, pernicious New Abnormal and its preposterous and draconian “public-health” schemes, painted themselves into a corner– or put themselves out on a limb, take your pick.
 
Whether they took this approach from cold calculation or panic, they became like the captain in the antiwar song “Waist Deep in the Big Muddy”– the old fools are apparently committed to “pushing on” despite the overwhelming “collateral damage” their ruinous folly is causing. Thus, in the US, all of the state Gauleiters, lesser politicians, and public-health officials feel compelled to perpetuate their reign of despotic destruction in order to save face– not to mention avoiding or postponing well-deserved blowback with grave political and perhaps legal (ergo, personal) consequences.
 
To this extent, inflicting increasing and perpetual immiseration upon the public is “bipartisan”. But the Democrats have another agenda: the “resistance”. The prominent Democrats who’ve taken the hypocritical and contradictory position of simultaneously supporting onerous lockdown measures and mass protests against racism that flout the measures– including big-city mayors like NYC’s Bill de Blasio and Philadelphia’s Jim Kenney– are part of the TDS-animated “Resistance” leadership whose monomaniacal priority is to remove Donald Trump from office ASAP, and by any means necessary.
 
The Democratic Party Establishment is counting on the rationale that a tormented, frustrated voting populace will take out its discontent on the incumbent Usurper on the Oval Office Throne. The last thing it wants is for the manufactured COVID crisis to end, or even diminish significantly, before Election Day.
 
 

I DENY YOUR BS
I DENY YOUR BS
Jun 27, 2020 11:36 AM
Reply to  Ort

“Trump Vs Deep State” is a fairy tale concocted by Trump and The Deep State who put him there in the first place. I could have possibly believed it for JFK (not really) but Trump as a “man of the people” is a very hard sell, in his own language.
 

jess
jess
Jun 24, 2020 10:09 PM

clearly the dems are front and center with the vaccine bills. the virus originated in commie china but i wonder if that is to disguise the right wing origins of the plot? shock and awe. the neo cons. its not corbyn and hillary in government. it s right wingers who said they wanted to close borders.

jess
jess
Jun 24, 2020 10:28 PM
Reply to  jess

i think a bit of travel and large gatherings is needed. some concerts. vegan food. maybe even some drugs and sex. this shit is way out of order.

Ann
Ann
Jun 25, 2020 5:17 AM
Reply to  jess

Hey Jess, when and where.

Mykey
Mykey
Jun 25, 2020 12:40 PM
Reply to  Ann

I support these statements.

Marfanoid
Marfanoid
Jun 24, 2020 8:32 PM

Stray sniffer dogs got masks on.Mi Gata say loco perro x

Doctortrinate
Doctortrinate
Jun 24, 2020 7:51 PM

the passing a vaccination bill is about as meaningful as someone releasing wind….nothing to do with me, my only interest being to distance myself from the offensive stench – so why folk prefer to follow it, immerse themselves in it – is beyond me.

Marfanoid
Marfanoid
Jun 24, 2020 8:29 PM
Reply to  Doctortrinate

Salut

Doctortrinate
Doctortrinate
Jun 24, 2020 10:55 PM
Reply to  Marfanoid

Aloha.

Vonu
Vonu
Jun 24, 2020 8:51 PM
Reply to  Doctortrinate

Have you ever lived in Colorado, especially during its Californication?

Doctortrinate
Doctortrinate
Jun 24, 2020 10:52 PM
Reply to  Vonu

haven’t Vonu, so especially no…..Why ? Did they turn the red river a sunburned brown.

Vonu
Vonu
Jun 25, 2020 12:05 AM
Reply to  Doctortrinate

No, but they turned a red state into a blue one.
Texas is well on its way.
Montana is next.
Wyoming isn’t worth the trouble.

Marfanoid
Marfanoid
Jun 24, 2020 7:09 PM

Even in the mountains of Spain they think you snort coke if you get hay fever.Or worse they think you got a virus.They driving round here with masks on.In their own car and its over 40 degrees.Help is needed via info.Savge do us a poem x

I DENY YOUR BS
I DENY YOUR BS
Jun 27, 2020 11:39 AM
Reply to  Marfanoid

That sort of hysterical fear surely nothing to do with hundreds of years of brutal catholicism in Spain. And on top of that, rural Andalucia ( i.e. the south of Spain) was illiterate until the 60s because of deliberate policies of Anglo-american backed Franco..
 

Moneycircus
Moneycircus
Jun 24, 2020 6:45 PM

Now, housekeeping first. George Webb can be a wild cannon, but give me that any day over the Mockingbird, bought and paid, stenographer media.
 
Longtime Gone: YouTube deleted his entire channel and all his videos on June 19th. https://www.youtube.com/user/georgwebb/videos
 
His last video that day? Plan To Replace Our Police With NATO Contractors – Dyncorp and Blackwater
 Still available on Bitchute: https://www.bitchute.com/video/02pM0bOHELod/
 
Homecoming Queen: Webb accurately cites Doug Valentine’s forecast that U.S. policing, security and intel strategies abroad eventually come home.
 
But this is minor stuff when the entire FBI and DoJ are criminal enterprises. Just watching the Inslaw Octopus Promis software scandal that led to more than 50 deaths.
 
Such is the labyrinth of institutionalized crime that is the United States. 


Moneycircus
Moneycircus
Jun 24, 2020 7:21 PM
Reply to  Moneycircus

Part two of the Octopus Promis software scandal about the CIA using Wackenhut, now G4S, as a front for CIA activities.
https://www.corbettreport.com/hunting-the-octopus/
 

Lost in a dark wood
Lost in a dark wood
Jun 25, 2020 6:24 AM
Reply to  Moneycircus

I’ve been on-and-off following George “Webb” Sweigert since he launched his youtube channel a few years ago. Given the type of people he’s exposing (The Godfather x10), the only reasonable conclusion is that he’s protected by powerful friends. The latest posts to his Patreon account state:
 
Jun 24 at 3:24pm: I am writing a book at Parley.com about the coming NATO attacks on Trump. I am up to Page 75. I am posting everything publicly right now to get maximum reach. Thank you for your support.
 
Jun 21 at 3:57pm: Lemons to Lemonade – If I Cant Do Video, I Have Started My Book
 
Jun 19 at 8:42pm: YouTube has terminated my accounts.
 
Jun 19 at 6:08pm: TruthLeaks – Investigative Journalist George Webb @GeorgWebb · 4m Dimtri Alperovich And Imran Awan – Blackberries For NATO Operatives In C…
 
https://www.patreon.com/georgewebb
 

Willem
Willem
Jun 24, 2020 6:44 PM

Made some calculations on open source data today, with a PhD student. Not sure what to make of it

A. Some countries show weekly the no. of people who died per age group (with some delay), and also show the distribution of age in the population.

B. So we compared the all cause death rate in Sweden, NL and England/Wales in week 1-22 for the year 2020 while adjusting for age (with direct standardization).

C. We observed that the age adjusted mortality was lowest in Sweden (no lockdown), then in NL (a lockdown but rather loosely defined), and then in England (most strict lockdown)

Well, I guess you know what I am trying to point at, but please consider that I cannot publish anything unless I can say with (much more) certainty that the (Increasingly severe) lockdown caused an extra amount of people to die.

Any ideas how I can further strengthen this hypothesis? – I was thinking to repeat the analysis for the year 2018 (when there was a big flu epidemic without any lockdown). If I would then find that the all cause mortality rate, adjusted for age, is the same in Sweden, NL and England/Wales in week 1-22, that would strengthen the hypothesis, I would say. Perhaps someone else has other suggestions?

Thinking of it, maybe I should write a short report on this for OffG or show you the data BTL so that someone else can write the full paper?

Just an idea…

jess
jess
Jun 24, 2020 6:58 PM
Reply to  Willem

hilde larson has a video titled why stress is killing you. this could provide some pointers to a mechanism by which the terror campaign and associated lockdown could lead to deaths.

I DENY YOUR BS
I DENY YOUR BS
Jun 24, 2020 7:27 PM
Reply to  Willem

I think you are wasting your time with numbers of deaths/ cases. There is no evidence to support the idea of trusting those numbers.

Steve Hayes
Steve Hayes
Jun 24, 2020 7:52 PM
Reply to  Willem

but please consider that I cannot publish anything unless I can say with (much more) certainty that the (Increasingly severe) lockdown caused an extra amount of people to die.

This is utter garbage. Publishing all cause mortality figures (which are already in the public domain anyway) is hardly a problem. So you don’t need to provide an explanation, just the facts. How many people per capita died for each country.

Willem
Willem
Jun 24, 2020 8:11 PM
Reply to  Steve Hayes

You’re absolutely right, but my bosses have explained to me that they only want me to publish rock solid results that do not leve any interpretation other than what can be concluded from the data. And by comparing countries, you can always say that the health system is different or that adjusting for age is not enough and that differences therefore are not necessarily related to lockdown measures and then there is a no-go.

I am actually in agreement with that type of thinking (to some degree); that is that you must provide as solid as possible evidence in research and mention the limitations (that are always there in all research. Unfortunately for my bosses however is that they do not consider the burden of proof to be that strict when it comes to ‘flatten the curve’ modeling and the conclusion that lockdown measures did work… Their doublethink is boundless.

Steve Hayes
Steve Hayes
Jun 24, 2020 8:28 PM
Reply to  Willem

Who cares what your “bosses” want? Are you a slave?
 
Scholarly endeavour knows no hierarchy other than the hierarchy of knowledge. What matters is not authority or hierarchy or prestige or status. What matters is the data. It does not matter how impressive the theory or how much political support, what matters is the data: if the data disagree with the hypothesis, it is the hypothesis that needs to change.
 
So called scientists who prefer their careers to the evidence are not scientists, they are mere bureaucrats, who are destroying, not just science, but all scholarly endeavour, bringing knowledge itself into disrepute. The kooks who come up with all kinds of nonsense do no harm to the values of the Enlightenment, but scientists who collude with lies and half truths and falsehoods have set humanity back a millennia, already.

jess
jess
Jun 24, 2020 9:05 PM
Reply to  Willem

collect evidence on those ‘above’. you may working for a terror cell in the network seeking to facilitate further genocide. you dont want to be without whistleblower status when this implodes.

Vonu
Vonu
Jun 24, 2020 8:52 PM
Reply to  Steve Hayes

The deaths of useless eaters is academic to globalists.

Dungroanin
Dungroanin
Jun 24, 2020 10:25 PM
Reply to  Willem

Make sure you include Germany and Norway in there too and it may be informative.

Calamity Jane
Calamity Jane
Jun 24, 2020 6:41 PM

From ” Since the arrival of ” the article lost me as there is not any new disease called “Covid” which is the main point that is being lost here .
And this fact is the leading argument against a mandatory vaccination as there is nothing to vaccinate against in reality (where most don’t dwell anymore).
People in Colorado that know about the dangers of vaccines can still claim a non-medical exemption .
Like most central banking countries the US already have an immunization schedule for kids that the UN’s WHO org are involved in keeping track of.

I DENY YOUR BS
I DENY YOUR BS
Jun 24, 2020 7:29 PM
Reply to  Calamity Jane

But Trump has apparently cut ties to the WHO.

jess
jess
Jun 24, 2020 10:54 PM
Reply to  Calamity Jane

as long as the idea of a pathogenic virus survives it matters not what anyone says. the post highwire censored mentioned the h word. i swear i dont trust that guy at all.

Arsebiscuits
Arsebiscuits
Jun 24, 2020 6:40 PM

Why don’t they trick everyone and say give free acupuncture to everyone in the world !!!!

Gwyn
Gwyn
Jun 24, 2020 6:29 PM

They can stick their vaccines up their arses.

Arsebiscuits
Arsebiscuits
Jun 24, 2020 6:40 PM
Reply to  Gwyn

Psychopaths don’t have rectums.

I DENY YOUR BS
I DENY YOUR BS
Jun 24, 2020 7:30 PM
Reply to  Arsebiscuits

Sorry, accidental downvote. We shall add rectums if rectums are not present.

Gwyn
Gwyn
Jun 24, 2020 9:06 PM
Reply to  Arsebiscuits

You learn summat new every day!

Einstein
Einstein
Jun 24, 2020 5:48 PM

What vaccine?
There isn’t one!

richard
richard
Jun 24, 2020 7:08 PM
Reply to  Einstein

call it injection then. sounds like a good reason to leave Colorado.

Lost in a dark wood
Lost in a dark wood
Jun 25, 2020 7:06 AM
Reply to  Einstein

The Vaccine Is Still a Unicorn
The HighWire with Del Bigtree
May 25, 2020
The #3 reason why we are not on “Team Corona-phobia.”
 

 

gordon
gordon
Jun 24, 2020 5:39 PM

From a legal perspective it is a necessity to exercise your rights to decide. All you require is clarity and appreciation of the various risks involved. An understanding of the ingredients and their effects.
 
 
HOW TO DECLINE A VACCINE… 
 
https://healingoracle.ch/2020/04/17/how-to-decline-a-vaccine/
 
 
 
 
 
 
doctors scientists are insane
 

Tom Larsen
Tom Larsen
Jun 24, 2020 5:54 PM
Reply to  gordon

The link of How to Decline a Vaccine is extremely valuable!
Excerpt:
 
Code 6 also states: The risks should never exceed the benefits
According to Article 6 of the Unesco 2005 statement on Bioethics and Human Rights.
Article 6, section 1: Any preventive, diagnostic and therapeutic medical interventions is only to be carried out with the prior, free and informed consent of the person concerned, based on adequate information. The consent should, where appropriate, be expressed and may be withdrawn by the person concerned and at any time and for any reason WITHOUT DISADVANTAGE or prejudice. (caps mine)
Article 6, section 3: In no case should a collective community agreement or the consent of a community leader or other authority substitute for an individuals informed consent.
 
This clause covers several key points that both the medical practice and the vaccine administrator must agree and sign up to before undertaking such a risky procedure.
The clause covers some key points:

  • They must show a full understanding of the ingredients in the vaccine
  • They must honor their Hippocratic oath to first of all; do no harm
  • They must understand any risks and reactions from the vaccine
  • The need to prove their qualifications and show they understand the chemistry
  • They must also understand the MRC-5 within the vaccine

[MRC-5] Also, you have the right to check if there is a possibility of an Iatrogenic Reaction (adverse reaction from multiple compounds or drugs interacting with each other) from the vaccine. When the nurse says “yes, it does” that can also be a reason to decline, due to the inherent risks of an Iatrogenic reaction.
 

I DENY YOUR BS
I DENY YOUR BS
Jun 24, 2020 7:56 PM
Reply to  Tom Larsen

Guess what – the busybodies have already “fact-checked ” that webpage and when you post it on the anti-social media you get the familar pop-up and the usual BS intended to fool zombies with the attention span of a fish.
 

elsewhere
elsewhere
Jun 24, 2020 6:46 PM
Reply to  gordon

Thanks for this excellent link!!

Tom Larsen
Tom Larsen
Jun 24, 2020 6:47 PM
Reply to  gordon

Watching the Del Bigtree video. Incredible! SIDS – “unexplained” deaths among healthy babies now explained. Death rates amoung infants plummeting during COVID-19 as parents are too afraid to go to the doctor, infants are not getting immunizations (vaccinated)! It’s hard to think of a better argument against vaccines! Thank you for your post!
 

Moneycircus
Moneycircus
Jun 24, 2020 7:33 PM
Reply to  gordon

Ed Haslam : Dr. Mary’s Monkey & The Secret Virus Laboratory in New Orleans. 
 
The following research is compiled by Dr Ed Haslam, whose father worked at Tulane University with one of the giants of American vaccine research, Alton Ochsner.
 
Haslam’s story has many tangents. As a child he sat on the knee of Dr Mary Sherman, a pioneering bone cancer specialist whose work is still cited today, 50 years after she died in a horrific radiation accident.
 
None of this information emerged in a linear fashion. But to make sense of the story you have to choose a beginning. Let that be polio.
 
Polio had been around for centuries and yet it was not that common. So long as your intestines are intact you do not catch polio, the disease passes through you and out the other end. As CDC graphs show, Polio historically produced 2-3000 cases per year in the U.S. Then in 1919 it jumped to 27,000 cases then back down to 2-3000 cases where it remained. What happened in 1919? They had introduced refrigerated blood to hospitals. In 1943 it jumped again to 10,000, in 1944 to 20,000, reaching around 57,000 cases a year.
 
What caused that explosion in polio. In 1942 when it exploded, antibiotics had been introduced to clinical medicine in the U.S. Ed Haslam suspects the onset of the Polio epidemic may have been triggered by antibiotics. We know they kill both good and bad bacteria, so not just strep or gonorrhea but also the good bacteria that lives in your intestines that manages the growth of fungus. Thus damage to intestines may have allowed polio to enter people’s systems.
 
Polio is appearing among the wealthy who are the first with access to antibiotics. With hindsight, Ed Haslam argues, Pharma and medicine had a dilemma: restrict the use of antibiotics to only essential cases or roll out the Polio vaccine to counter the damage that antibiotics were doing to the body’s immune functions.
 
Alton Ochsner got his start working with his uncle on blood transfusion. He was also a key figure in the development of the Polio vaccine. So Ochsner was in the Pharma business, as a major shareholder in polio vaccine manufacturer Cutter Laboratories, a pioneer in blood transfusion and President of the American Cancer Society.
 
FDR had been crippled by Polio and launched a March of Dimes fund raiser to search for a cure. Now in 1955, on the watch of President Eisenhower and VP Nixon, they had an answer.
 
Responding to the political pressure – and the prospect of great riches – Alton Ochsner asked Bernice Eddy, vaccine safety tester for the U.S. government, to approve the vaccine. She injected her monkeys and got… dead and crippled monkeys. This was a political and commercial disaster, at the very moment the vaccine was due for launch. Oschner assembled the faculty of Tulane University, including Dr Ed Haslam’s father and Dr Mary Sherman. Oschner said he would demonstrate his confidence by injecting his grandchildren. Within 48 hours, Oschner’s grandson was dead and his granddaughter had developed polio.
 
***
 
Dr Bernice Eddy went back to her lab at the National Cancer Institute, National Institute of Health, where she worked with Dr Sarah Stewart. Two years later, in 1957, they discovered “polyoma” (many-tumors) a virus that caused cancer in a variety of mammals. Its native host was the Asian macaque.
 
Pharma was also growing the polio virus on Asian macaque monkey kidney cells, because they found the virus adapted well to the Asian macaque and grew fast on its kidneys. (Editor: You might have thought that would be a warning sign). Pharma then ground up the kidneys and and injected the vaccine into people. 
 
At the time Eddy and Stewart’s discovery of cancer-causing viruses, the women received wide acclaim. In July 1959 Time magazine’s front cover talked about their discovery and hopes for a vaccine. Yet by the 1960s the Regulated Academic Thought System was insisting the virus could not cause cancer.
 
Something was happening in secret. The brilliant Polio Vaccine was turning into a disaster. 
 
The polyoma virus, which they renamed simian virus 40, or SV40, was present in the vaccine. The vaccine had been released in 1955. By the time Sarah Stewart set off the alarm, Pharma had already injected 100 million doses.
 
Pharma had just inoculated much of the American population and particularly the children with a cancer-causing virus.
 
President Eisenhower and VP Nixon launched a medical Manhattan Project to find an answer. Alton Ochsner was recruited to head the program to use radiation to zap blood. There was a new machine called a Linear Particle Accelerator. That is what they are going to use. Dr Sarah Stewart was drafted in from the National Cancer Institute to the US Public Health Service to supervise the project.
 
New Orleans became the focus of a secret military project in 1960-61 including people like the U.S. Army’s biowarfare expert drafted from Fort Detrick, before which he had debriefed Japanese biowarfare scientists. Suddenly he was teaching introductory biology to nursing students down the road from the Linear Particle Accelerator. As Ed Haslam says, if that does not look like a cover story…
 
***
 
The heart of the program, however, was Dr Mary Sherman, a first class expert in radiation which was just being brought into medicine. As well as radiation, she was an expert in bone cancer. Mary Sherman, M.D. is the “Mary” in the title of Dr. Mary’s Monkey.
 
Her articles are still heavily cited 50 years after her death in 1964. She was given her own lab at Tulane University, New Orleans in the 1950s under the supervision of Alton Ochsner. She had started at the University of Chicago together with Dr Sarah Stewart.
 
Chicago, a school known for its Nobel Prize winners, was financed by the Rockefellers at a time when their investments were in Pharma and they wanted a European-style research university instead of just a teaching college on the American model. So they loaded it with heavy duty scientists studying exotic stuff like heavy metals so you find Enrico Fermi and Harold Agnew and the first sustained nuclear reaction that led to the Manhattan Project.
 
Six Remarkable Women – Dr. Mary’s Monkey
 
***
 
After all, it seems that the Regulated Academic Thought System and the Pharma industry have known since the 1950s that viruses can cause cancer.
 
Today the pharma companies say “At 11-12 years old, children need 2 doses of the HPV vaccine to protect against cancers caused by HPV later in life.”
 
 


Name
Name
Jun 25, 2020 6:47 AM
Reply to  Moneycircus

Great comment. Loads of good info to pass along. Thank you.

Paul
Paul
Jun 24, 2020 11:23 PM
Reply to  gordon

Thanks for the link.

Norcal
Norcal
Jun 25, 2020 1:41 PM
Reply to  gordon

Thank you gordon. Perhaps unbelievably, this goes back to the JFK era in New Orleans and relates to Dr. Mary Sherman’s death plus what they were working on at Tulane University it includes development of a cancer virus to kill Castro.
 
 
https://www.myneworleans.com/dr-marys-monkey/
 

gordon
gordon
Jun 24, 2020 5:28 PM

years ago in aussie lands the folks getting child benefit
the money got stopped if you refused the 8 mega shot dose for your child
banning from school stopping moneys penalties many ways to make the goyim consent

I DENY YOUR BS
I DENY YOUR BS
Jun 24, 2020 8:03 PM
Reply to  gordon

Fuck them and their brainwashing. Get off the drip feed.

Name*
Name*
Jun 24, 2020 5:22 PM

This is not the issue, we will all refuse a compulsory vaccination, that’s a given.
 
The issue is ‘trace and track’ Google/Apple run, Stasi surveillance system, that is the real threat to our freedoms. Names and addresses are already being collected in British and German Restaurants, that is the problem and it is here NOW.
 
Soon this will be all worked into a notification app, a covid app, a Chinese style social engineering app, giving the USA tech, the CIA’s little workers, Google, the ability to turn a British citizen ‘OFF’ at will. Destroying his career, his social life and his leisure at will, just how the Chinese do.
 
 

aspnaz
aspnaz
Jun 25, 2020 1:44 AM
Reply to  Name*

You are not obliged to give a real name or address.

Eyes Open
Eyes Open
Jul 4, 2020 7:45 PM
Reply to  Name*

This is true. It’s about control and the eradication of undesirables. Covid tracking apps have already been downloaded onto android devices without users’ knowledge or consent. (Go to Settings – Google Services.. and the Covid-19 tracking app is there, albeit not activated).

I miss the old life. Covid-1984 is a nightmare.

Name*
Name*
Jun 24, 2020 5:17 PM

This is not the issue, we will all refuse a compulsory vaccination, that’s a given.
 
The issue is ‘trace and track’ Google/Apple run, Stasi surveillance, that is the threat to our freedom. Names and addresses are being collected in British and German Restaurants, that is the problem and it is here NOW. In the future, Google in the USA will be able to tune a British citizen ‘OFF’ at will when the name collection and approval is converted into a google run app. It’s about US control of individuals in it’s Empire overseas. Notice there is no app in the USA.

ame
ame
Jun 24, 2020 6:47 PM
Reply to  Name*

google nokia demon samsons poison apple Motorola is the APP
the dumb smart phone is the APP all listening watching body temperature device free downloads for numpty
idiot signed deal with palantír but plantir already knew that
NSA is listening watching
For your safety
 
 
 

Name*
Name*
Jun 24, 2020 8:10 PM
Reply to  ame

I don’t believe listening and storing is working out well for the US, too much work, too much digging in billions of files.
 
The Chinese got there before them and worked out peer pressure and social blackmail is the only way to control their slaves, in the case of the US they will use it to control their slaves overseas….us in the UK. We need to resist the apps the checks form US tech.

Name*
Name*
Jun 24, 2020 5:11 PM

It has been the case for years in the UK, nothing new there.

Moneycircus
Moneycircus
Jun 24, 2020 5:03 PM

Funneh, ceul editayng. Senssable, seriass contaantT.
 
Reallygraceful: Did Bill Gates Disappear? https://youtu.be/Zz2sVKuYBAE


tonyopmoc
tonyopmoc
Jun 24, 2020 4:58 PM

I have worked extremely hard (for me) over the last couple of days. I am 66 years old, and proud of it. I have had no alcohol, almost no tobacco and almost no drugs ( I had a couple of tablets of ibuprofen – cos it has been so hot, and I forgot to drink enough water – cos I was working so hard). I have done this before about the year 2000, when I was 47 – constructing the concrete bass for my new shed. I got gout. It wasn’t nice. I eventually realised it was because primarily I wasn’t drinking enough water. My wee became very concentrated. I was sweating most of the fluids out. Common salt is also important when it is very hot, or you are liable to get cramp (well I am).
 
There is nothing wrong with an occasional bit of hard labour, especially when you really want to do it, when that is not your normal job.
 
Yesterday, our new Wooden Garden Hammock arrived in bits of wood with screws and thank God instructions on Youtube how to build it.
 
Job’s done now. My wife helped me a bit.
 
I am about to have a cool beer with her swinging, and later my first full cigarette
 
Since giving up the pill, she doesn’t do any drugs either.
 
Glad we were born when we were in the 1950’s.
 
Not Dead Yet. In fact had a massive boost of Vitamin D from the Sunshine, and whilst I do feel pretty knackered – the work will have been extremely good for my muscles, with the objective of getting really fit again.
 
Don’t do the Drugs. They don’t work, except to kill you before your time.
 
Tony
 
 

Shin
Shin
Jun 24, 2020 5:05 PM
Reply to  tonyopmoc

I have gout in just about every joint Tony. Painful to say the least. Stay away from craft brew, red wine and red meat. In moderation of course. Good luck!

Mike Ellwood (Oxon, UK)
Mike Ellwood (Oxon, UK)
Jun 24, 2020 6:22 PM
Reply to  tonyopmoc
Steve Hayes
Steve Hayes
Jun 24, 2020 7:57 PM
Reply to  tonyopmoc

You think gout is caused by not drinking enough water?

Tom Larsen
Tom Larsen
Jun 24, 2020 4:14 PM

Noam Chomsky has called the current GOP the “most dangerous party in human history.”
It appears that the Democrats took this up as a challenge – not to be outdone. I don’t mean to sound cynical, but right now I am more scared of the Democrats and Liberal Media. So with the GOP we get nuclear winter and with the Democrats we get mass planned genocide? The Cassandra dilemma we’re faced with is it doesn’t seem that those who understand these threats can get any traction with the general public on either.

ame
ame
Jun 24, 2020 4:37 PM
Reply to  Tom Larsen

no dilemma evoking Bilet always leads to issues
left right in 2020 is dumb and dumber
 

John Ervin
John Ervin
Jun 26, 2020 5:47 AM
Reply to  ame

“left right in 2020 is dumb and dumber”

Thats sharp. Sadly, there’s a lot to that. 2020, a prequel to Idiocracy.

S Cooper
S Cooper
Jun 24, 2020 6:18 PM
Reply to  Tom Larsen

Noam Chomsky. “The Aristotle of the DSA Faker Set.” Outside of the CUNY Grad Center and one or two blocks on Manhattan’s Upper East and West Sides is there anyone who even knows who that clown is, let alone take his pontifications seriously? Makes one want to stick a finger down the throat and retch. Would wager he is a MASK NAZI.
 
The Republicrat Party- the political racket so corrupt it needs two aliases.
 
https://www.deviantart.com/redamerican1945/art/Eugene-V-Debs-Republican-Democratic-Party-674343047
 

I DENY YOUR BS
I DENY YOUR BS
Jun 24, 2020 8:10 PM
Reply to  S Cooper

Chomsky is both more intelligent and more human than your comment. He is of course smeared on the internet by inferior intellects, by people who have nothing to say and will be immediately forgotten. Who knows Chomsky? anyone with a working brain.

S Cooper
S Cooper
Jun 24, 2020 8:12 PM
Reply to  I DENY YOUR BS

Okay.

A Texas Libertarian
A Texas Libertarian
Jun 24, 2020 11:03 PM
Reply to  I DENY YOUR BS

Chomsky believes earn wages in exchange for labor is slavery.

Tom Larsen
Tom Larsen
Jun 24, 2020 10:18 PM
Reply to  S Cooper

This is what I am referring to: The Doomsday Clock being moved up to 100 seconds to midnight due to GOP nuclear policies. This is not a defense of Chomsky (who can demonstrably be called a left gatekeeper).
 
https://dissidentvoice.org/2020/06/the-final-100-seconds/

S Cooper
S Cooper
Jun 24, 2020 11:21 PM
Reply to  Tom Larsen

The policy remains the same irregardless of the political hack the corporate fascists put in as MC-sock puppet. At this point political designations are meaningless. The flim-flam has gone on far too long. It needs to go.
 
Chomsky is in his nineties. He is emeritus. He already has his pension and his Social Security. There is nothing to protect. The fact he does not speak out about (expose) the racket is the best indication is that “he is a believer” in it.
 
As to the Left-Right paradigm. Just more goobledy gook to keep the victims diverted, fighting amongst themselves. Except this time the corporate fascists, no longer seeing “profit” in many of us remaining alive, have decided to go FULL THIRD REICH.
 

Steve Hayes
Steve Hayes
Jun 24, 2020 8:41 PM
Reply to  Tom Larsen

In 2016 Noam Chomsky called on all Americans to vote for Hillary Clinton.

Tom Larsen
Tom Larsen
Jun 25, 2020 1:03 AM
Reply to  Steve Hayes

Chomsky is a radical between elections…

aspnaz
aspnaz
Jun 25, 2020 2:02 AM
Reply to  Tom Larsen

Chmosky is just another anything-goes-if-it-is-left-wing politician. The reason people post Cralin rather than Chomsky is that Chomsky was part of the system, trying to sell you a message, a failed message that died a long time ago, a message that good politics can save the USA. People don’t buy that BS any more, they know that all this PC crap is destroying their society, that the prioritisation of the interests of minorities over the interests of the majority is destroying the western world, but he goes along with this rubbish. He’s old news. Carlin’s interpretation is simple and believable, it just doesn’t offer hope for change and is right to do so, because as we all know, change results in the same old shit, different suit.

Tom Larsen
Tom Larsen
Jun 25, 2020 4:20 AM
Reply to  aspnaz

Again, I am not defending Noam Chomsky. OTOH, I wouldn’t be here at Off-G if I had not read Manufacturing Consent in 1988. That book provided the basis of the set of tools I use to see through propaganda. Give credit where it’s due.

S Cooper
S Cooper
Jun 25, 2020 4:21 AM
Reply to  aspnaz

Yes. George Carlin is not “a rocket scientist.” Nor does he present a political economic historical critique. But he thinks critically and is a fellow of well above average intelligence that recognizes POS when he sees them; and at the end of his life was not afraid to call them out.
 
As for change, if humanity it is going to continue it is going have to change. With human technological development being what is, the current political economic social situation is not sustainable.

A Texas Libertarian
A Texas Libertarian
Jun 24, 2020 3:59 PM

I was all on board until you compared the right of parents to choose whether vaccines are appropriate for their children to the supposed right to terminate the life of an unborn baby.
 
This latter “right” was not recognized by the Constitution or through any proper legislative means, but rather through an activist and leftist Supreme Court. The Supreme Court was not intended to grant us rights or create new laws, but only to interpret the existing law as codified by the legislative process and as written in the Constitution.
 
But thankfully many states in the South are disregarding Roe vs Wade and practicing their American and God given rights of nullification of federal law.

Tom Larsen
Tom Larsen
Jun 24, 2020 4:59 PM

You have to break out of the partisan trap. Are our bodies sovereign or are they not?

A Texas Libertarian
A Texas Libertarian
Jun 24, 2020 11:01 PM
Reply to  Tom Larsen

No we are not sovereign. We cannot do anything we choose. We cannot end the lives of others at our whim. The God’s law, or the natural law if you prefer, is sovereign, not the State, not individuals.

Tom Larsen
Tom Larsen
Jun 25, 2020 1:10 AM

Sovereignty doesn’t mean being able to do anything you want. One should not be able to coerce another adult into doing something that they don’t want to do – to their own body. Neither the state or your god has the right to violate my body.

A Texas Libertarian
A Texas Libertarian
Jun 26, 2020 7:54 PM
Reply to  Tom Larsen

You have an incorrect definition of sovereignty; it means “supreme power or authority”. I think you mean autonomy, which means “the right or condition of self-government.” I’m not trying to be snarky. I just think precision in language is meaningful. I get the meanings of words wrong too.
 
Neither the state or your god has the right to violate my body.”
 
Well I think you only have to worry about one of these entities violating your body. If you’re speaking of the NAP, then of course I’m board with you, but not on abortion, because that is a violation of said principle in reference to the unborn baby’s rights. Even if the father is a rapist, and the woman did not choose to have sex, the resultant baby is still completely innocent.

Tom Larsen
Tom Larsen
Jun 26, 2020 8:36 PM

Let’s agree that the state and its corporate partners-in-crime are what we should focus on.
 
We have been in our current form for about 200k years. Long before the existence of Yahweh or Jehovah, (as monotheism is maybe +- 5000 years old), humans, as well as all other animals, have controlled our reproduction. The extreme hyperbolic reaction to controlling our reproduction is very, very recent.

I DENY YOUR BS
I DENY YOUR BS
Jun 24, 2020 8:11 PM

Your God is functionally identical with Satan and those who talk of “God given rights” are his slaves. It is not up to you, or God or anyone else to decide what a woman does with her uterus and her life. Life and human beings do not belong to “God” or to those who write laws. The anti-abortion narrative is evil and has caused untold pain and suffering. Nobody deserves to be born into poverty and to dysfunctional couple or abandoned/raped mother who has no resources to raise children properly.
 
It’s a mandate given by the religious zombies because to them every life belongs to their Master, who prefers the lives to be as miserable as possible.
 
An “activist Supreme Court”. I rest my case.
 
 
 

A Texas Libertarian
A Texas Libertarian
Jun 24, 2020 10:59 PM
Reply to  I DENY YOUR BS

Life and human beings do not belong to God, you say, but since you are arguing women may terminate life within them, they must own human beings?

aspnaz
aspnaz
Jun 25, 2020 2:16 AM

Rights are a nonsense. The whole concept of rights is about what we “should” be entitled to, but the need to enforce such entitlements means that it is a privilege bestowed by man, not god or nature. Of course you can kill other people, nature gave you that ability, although it may not be in you rbest long term interest – it depends on circumstance. Lions have the ability to kill, and even sometimes kill their own kind, when it determines that that is in its best interests, but it is an ability that helps it to be the fitest survivor, the lion does not have rights.

You are not sovereign over anything, not your own body or that of anybody else. The concept is a delusion that is part of the left wing egalitarian society nonsense: society should entitle us to these rights. Grow out of it and learn that there is no such thing as an egalitarian society, never will be, could never work as a part of nature which means that when the need arises the egalitarian bit disappears.

A Texas Libertarian
A Texas Libertarian
Jun 27, 2020 1:22 AM
Reply to  aspnaz

I never said I was sovereign over anything. I was arguing with someone else over them using the word sovereignty mistakenly. Nor am I an egalitarian.
 
I don’t agree, however, with your survival of the fittest ethic, which is only fit for animals. Do you consider yourself an animal? Funny that in explaining your ethic you resort to speaking of animals.

aspnaz
aspnaz
Jun 30, 2020 1:13 AM

Of course I consider myself an animal: Animalia. I assume that you would only not consider yourself to be an animal if you had some other explanation for our existence, such as a religious explanation?

George Mc
George Mc
Jun 24, 2020 2:45 PM

Off topic, I suppose, but I’m going to sneak this one in:
 
https://getpocket.com/explore/item/conspiracy-theorists-have-a-fundamental-cognitive-problem-say-scientists?utm_source=pocket-newtab-global-en-GB
 
Note the tautology:
 

Illusory pattern perception — the act of seeking patterns that aren’t there — has been linked to belief in conspiracy theories before, but that assumption has never really been supported with empirical evidence. The British and Dutch scientists behind the new study are some of the first to show that this explanation is, in fact, correct.

 
Since “conspiracy theories” are defined here as “patterns that aren’t there”, the above tells us that the act of seeking patterns that aren’t there leads to a belief in patterns that aren’t there!
 
It’s moments like these that make me realise I am in the wrong game. I could be one of those scientists getting paid for manufacturing “information” out of nothing!  

George Mc
George Mc
Jun 24, 2020 2:57 PM
Reply to  George Mc

From the same article:
 

People who saw patterns in random coin tosses and chaotic, abstract paintings were more likely to believe in conspiratorial and supernatural theories.

 
Note the sneaking in of the word “conspiratorial”. Clearly that word has been defined as irrational in advance.
 
Again,
 

Reading about paranormal or conspiracy beliefs….

 
Conspiracy linked with the paranormal!
 
But what’s this?:
 

For example, just because societal power is dominated by the rich does not mean those rich people are Illuminati Satanists, though that is a thing that many people believe.

 
Ooh veering towards an actual insight here! Just as well we’ve blocked that avenue off by seamlessly merging the dominating rich with “Illuminati Satanists”!
 
And let’s end on an upbeat note:
 

Fortunately, other scientists have found a way to block the pervasiveness of illusory pattern perception: critical thinking. In a previous interview, North Carolina State University psychology professor Anne McLaughlin told Inverse that critical thinking is something that can be taught, and if people are trained in the right way, pseudoscience and false conspiracies can be combated with logic and reasoning. The brain may try to make false connections, but that doesn’t mean you have to believe it.

 
“trained in the right way”! That’s the key!

Arsebiscuits
Arsebiscuits
Jun 24, 2020 3:17 PM
Reply to  George Mc

For example, just because societal power is dominated by the rich does not mean those rich people are Illuminati Satanists, though that is a thing that many people believe.

Hahaha basically why worry?

It’s ok to be ruled by Satanists, we’ve got your back

Steve Hayes
Steve Hayes
Jun 24, 2020 3:20 PM
Reply to  George Mc

I think Professor Anne McLaughlin might like to start with Luke Harding or maybe Adam Schiff or Hillary Clinton.
 
Seeing patterns that are not there is a universal human trait. It is called pareidolia. It is why people can see a man in the moon, Jesus on a slice of toasted bread; it is why psychologists can use Rorschach tests; and it is of course why people can see conspiracies without evidence. But to describe it as a cognitive problem is absurd. It is just part of human nature: we detect patterns, sometimes when there are not there; but without this pattern recognition ability, we would never have survived.

Nixon Scraypes
Nixon Scraypes
Jun 24, 2020 4:00 PM
Reply to  Steve Hayes

This is a good example of the technique of using different meanings of a word and shifting between them. A pretty pattern on a picture is not like a pattern of behaviour, they cannot be compared. Is this sophistry? Is there a more appropriate word?

Steve Hayes
Steve Hayes
Jun 24, 2020 4:10 PM
Reply to  Nixon Scraypes

Do you have something against sophists?

aspnaz
aspnaz
Jun 25, 2020 2:36 AM
Reply to  George Mc

And they say this in the days of big data and AI! AI is the discovery of hidden patterns and correlations within huge data sets and large numbers of variables, it is a set of statistical trial and error techniques that try to guess a solution to get around the cognitive limitations of man. AI is entirely based on the thinking that everything has a cause and nothing happens just by chance. So are all AI practitioners conspiracy theory “nuts” as well? Logically you can’t have it both ways, but in the MSM anything is possible.

Arsebiscuits
Arsebiscuits
Jun 24, 2020 3:16 PM
Reply to  George Mc

I taut I seen a putty cat…

P R Ivy
P R Ivy
Jun 24, 2020 3:58 PM
Reply to  George Mc

I will sneak my off topic inside your off topic to make it doubly off topic 🙂 and saves me going off topic first and can always blame you 😛
 
Socialexperimentalist aka danny shine on youtube has just released a youtube vid of the City of Westminister who have erected a tent and are employing 2 “social distance” ambassadors to tell folk how, pause a moment, and try and guess , 100,000 merits to those who guessed it is there to instruct people how to wash their hands!!!! One could not and is not making it up.
 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gi2IO8zdTyQ
 
 
to go triple-erly off topic
 
this is danny shine and co from way back, I just love the song “take me back to 1969” and the whole vid his youtube channel is worth a look if one has the time and in need of a good laugh.
 
 
 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z6FWmHIJn2U
 
 
 

Steve Hayes
Steve Hayes
Jun 24, 2020 4:21 PM
Reply to  P R Ivy

The defensive response of the guy at the end is incredibly and depressingly revealing. It illustrates perfectly just how difficult it is going to be for those who bought into the lockdown is necessary narrative to back down.

Maxwell
Maxwell
Jun 24, 2020 5:09 PM
Reply to  George Mc

Maybe someone can ask dumba$$ Sarah Sloat how it is then that when I walk into the nearby University Law Library, one of the largest and most revered (whatever don’t get me started on that one) in the entire country, I can head over to one the largest sections of that library-conspiracy law- and spend months, probably years, reading about one conspiracy after the next.
 
And anyone who denies that aliens just landed is definitely asleep as they just dropped a virus from another universe right on top of our heads- didn’t they?

Harvesta Strong
Harvesta Strong
Jun 24, 2020 6:24 PM
Reply to  George Mc

It is human nature to conspire with like-minded individuals. Plans are kept confidential so that planners can have an advantage. PR firms do not “reveal” their spin strategies. Militaries keep “classified” information. Government representatives hold sessions on Saturdays or Christmas Eve to push legislation through without public notice so that they can avoid public input. To conspire is a rational move for anyone who wants to win. There are rational conspiracy theories and irrational ones, and it’s elementary to sort out who has evidence and who does not, who avoids logical fallacy and who engages in it. A war on the concept of rational conspiracy accusation is really a war on rational dissent and critical thinkers who are concerned about State Crimes Against Democracy (SCAD is a real thing). Their spin is meant to convince us that not thinking *is* critical thinking.

https://youtu.be/rR0PERysHGc

I DENY YOUR BS
I DENY YOUR BS
Jun 24, 2020 8:23 PM
Reply to  George Mc

There are two kinds of conspiracy theorists. Those who understand the nature of belief and those who don’t. Most are in the latter category and are merely regurgitating distorted views put out by Christian Orthodox priests and monks decades ago. The cries of Satanism! and Paganism! (the christian’s greatest fear) are tell-tale signs.
Paganism existed before Christianity and is simply the indigenous polytheistic spirituality of the peoples of the planet, focused on the Earth, as it should be… Satanism is part of Judeochristianity, who invented Satan and gave him the form of Pan. A literal demonisation of pagan vision. These folks believe that before the magic Jew came along, humanity was nothing but a mess of cannibalism and human sacrifice….and they swallow hook, line and sinker the scapegoating baiting techniques of the Rabbis..

S Cooper
S Cooper
Jun 25, 2020 12:11 AM
Reply to  I DENY YOUR BS

Are you finished? “Now Who wants Zabar’s?”

John Pretty
John Pretty
Jun 24, 2020 2:25 PM

“Just as the landmark 1973 Roe v Wade decision was based on an individual right to choose, the same inherent right exists for those who deserve the choice to vaccinate.”
 
Yes, very convenient to forget the right to life of the baby in the womb.
 
Women. You have the choice : if you don’t want to get pregnant don’t have sex.
 
I know my view will upset some people here. I’m not going to apologise for it.

Shin
Shin
Jun 24, 2020 2:32 PM
Reply to  John Pretty

What about rape? Please don’t tell me she had the choice to be raped.
 
 

John Pretty
John Pretty
Jun 24, 2020 2:38 PM
Reply to  Shin

lol, there’s always one.
 
Okay, let’s set aside rape victims.
 
Then we’ll get into arguments about what constitutes rape in the modern era.
 
If you’re not a rape victim no abortion. How does that sound? Again: you don’t want to get pregnant you don’t have sex.
 

Shin
Shin
Jun 24, 2020 2:42 PM
Reply to  John Pretty

Well aren’t you a piece of shit. A supporter of rape.

John Pretty
John Pretty
Jun 24, 2020 3:00 PM
Reply to  Shin

Where did I say I support rape?
 
I DO NOT SUPPORT RAPE.
 
Clear enough?
 
I support the right to life of children in the womb.
 
So (unless a woman has been raped) she has had the choice of whether to have sex. Since it was a choice she could decide to say no to her partner and he would respect that choice.
 
However, if she chooses to have sex then she must accept the consequences.
 
Sexual intercourse is not an act for self or mutual gratification.
 
It is nature’s way of facilitating reproduction. Making babies!
 

S. McGinn
S. McGinn
Jun 24, 2020 3:47 PM
Reply to  John Pretty

It’s also a great way to get your rocks off and I am not going to apologise for that either.

Freya
Freya
Jun 24, 2020 4:02 PM
Reply to  John Pretty

Men should all have vasectomies if they want to have sex. That takes the responsibility away from women who men constantly try to control through force and violence. You impregnate us then leave and never take ANY responsibility for that child. Been there, experienced that.

Steve Hayes
Steve Hayes
Jun 24, 2020 4:24 PM
Reply to  Freya

Men should all have vasectomies if they want to have sex.

I recall reading something very, very similar on one of Titania Mcgrath’s tweets. However, Titania McGrath is a fictional character, who was created for the purposes of satire.

John Pretty
John Pretty
Jun 24, 2020 10:05 PM
Reply to  Freya

Vasectomies? There’s a problem with that. Some people actually want to have sex in order to produce children.

Your painful experience is not the experience of all women.

Some men may be violent, but not all men are violent.

Some men are controlling, but not all men are controlling.

And women can be violent and controlling too.

S. McGinn
S. McGinn
Jun 25, 2020 12:14 AM
Reply to  Freya

Or, Freya, a man and woman can enter into a consensual sexual union with agreed upon contraceptive precautions, or indeed none, if they want to create a life, if they so feel the mutual desire, want or need.
 
Life can be simple and I do sympathise with those who have not had that choice, who have had the needs, wants and desires of others forced upon them.
 
I have brought two beautiful persons into this world and I accept full responsibility regarding what is wanted or needed of me during their present and future lives until the day that mine ends. In the meantime, once every seven years, (or ‘Pon farr’) I think it is perfectly reasonable to partake in some consensual non-procreative sex with my partner. Call it practice, call it bonding, call it love (or simply stress relief if you want) but if you tell me that I need to sever or tie a part of my anotomy in order to do this then that is just not an option for me, at least not right now.
 
As for Abortion that is a matter between the two consensual partners to work out between themselves before the ‘Pon Farr’ takes over. If the two have differing opinions on that matter then those two adults should not be doing the Vulcan dance of passion in the first place.
 
So far I’ve been lucky enough to find a person who has the same outlook as I do in life and thankfully we are still together. We have both been lucky that life has not thrown anything at us that we could not handle together and as John Pretty has said before me “your experience is not the experience of all women” so I am glad we (JP and I) agree on that at least.
 
I also hope your experience changes as it sounds like you’ve met some real A-holes, I genuinely hope that in a non patronising and serious way. Your name, Freya, speaks of love and procreation and I wish you, ‘peace, love and light to you and yours’.
 
 
 
 

Dave
Dave
Jun 24, 2020 4:03 PM
Reply to  John Pretty

So if a woman says she’s been raped could she have an abortion or does she need proof?

Steve Hayes
Steve Hayes
Jun 24, 2020 4:27 PM
Reply to  Dave

Surely, in these Woke days, she could just self identify as a rape victim/survivor?

A Texas Libertarian
A Texas Libertarian
Jun 24, 2020 4:11 PM
Reply to  John Pretty

I was also off put by the insertion of abortion into this article on vaccines. Why do some women act as if this is the most important human right? As you said, a women’s right to choose ends in the bedroom. Because after conception, there is no justification for terminating the human life in the womb, just as their is no justification for terminating the life of any innocent human.

Shin
Shin
Jun 24, 2020 4:23 PM
Reply to  John Pretty

Apologies John. You brought back memories that i didn’t need. All the best on your crusade.
 

John Pretty
John Pretty
Jun 24, 2020 10:15 PM
Reply to  Shin

My opinion.

I’m not expecting that my opinion will change anything.

And I’m not on any sort of crusade.

I DENY YOUR BS
I DENY YOUR BS
Jun 24, 2020 8:44 PM
Reply to  John Pretty

You support the creation of miserable lives. Does the baby want to be born to a mother that does not want a baby? Contraception is not 100% and the pill and other hormonal contraceptives turn women insane. Nobody has the right to ask women to take hormones.

John Pretty
John Pretty
Jun 24, 2020 10:17 PM
Reply to  I DENY YOUR BS

“You support the creation of miserable lives.”
 
Many couples want to adopt.
 
I’ve never heard it said that the pill or contraceptives “turn women insane”. Do you have evidence to back up this claim?
 
And besides, a woman will not always get pregnant if she has “unprotected” sex. There are times in a woman’s menstrual cycle when she is particularly fertile and times when she is not fertile at all.
 

Arsebiscuits
Arsebiscuits
Jun 24, 2020 3:05 PM
Reply to  Shin

How do you work out he’s a supporter of rape? Where’s his support group?
Where’s his portfolio on the support of rape
Making rape mandatory is that what your getting at?

completelycookie
completelycookie
Jun 24, 2020 3:22 PM
Reply to  John Pretty

Or possibly unprotected sex..?

A Texas Libertarian
A Texas Libertarian
Jun 24, 2020 4:04 PM
Reply to  Shin

In the case of rape, the mother is absolved of any responsibility after the child’s birth, but while the baby is inside her it is her responsibility to care for it. Casting a death sentence on an innocent for the crimes of the father is unjust.

Shin
Shin
Jun 24, 2020 4:18 PM

So it seems the women has no choice either way. Yet, the man that raped the women has zero responsibility and all the choices. What exact message does that send?

Howard
Howard
Jun 24, 2020 5:15 PM
Reply to  Shin

I had to pick a place to jump in – sorry. But this entire abortion issue is irrelevant – because it’s “settled science.” I mean that literally.
 
The hideously demonic “science” of bio-engineering requires a steady supply of fetal tissue. End of discussion – unless and until people get some perspective and rise up en masse to challenge the right of science to trump every other social consideration.
 
We already know through history what a world looks like when any one part of society is allowed to dominate the rest of society. Nothing can change or obscure what absolute power does to people.

Shin
Shin
Jun 24, 2020 5:29 PM
Reply to  Howard

My daughter was raped and beaten when she was 16 years old. As a father i had to witness the destruction of my entire family. That is all i will say on this matter. I should have been strong enough not to bring it to this forum, which i apologies for. I will not post here again. All the best and thank you.
 

I DENY YOUR BS
I DENY YOUR BS
Jun 24, 2020 8:50 PM

How would you feel carrying for nine months and giving birth to a creature seeded by a monster who raped you? Can you feel anything above the waist?
 
Maybe you can get a glimpse of what rape is like if you try to forcibly insert your thumb (or any blunt object) into your rectum. Now imagine that being done by someone else, with their penis. Coming inside you. And getting harder by the sight and sounds of your miserable pleading. There goes your sense of human dignity, now carry the baby or you go to hell.

jess
jess
Jun 24, 2020 6:30 PM
Reply to  Shin

rape could be eliminated with healthy diet and lifestyle. abortion is not a solution to rape.

Moneycircus
Moneycircus
Jun 24, 2020 1:59 PM

Big Pharma is worse than the Tobacco Industry. Makes me wonder if tobacco was a scapegoat, or if the smoking bans were a dry run for the New Normal social restrictions.
 
(I am not a smoker).
 
Cancelling of Bar and Pub Culture as a cornerstone of public discussion and freedom of assembly (I understand that anyone born from the 1990s on, has never known what pubs and bars meant to people, especially the poor).
 
Social distancing, ritual humiliations and the whipping up of social fears and pressure by forcing smokers to stand outside (there is no reason why bars could not have had smoking and non-smoking rooms, as exist in the private clubs of the elite).
 
General bossiness of petty authority, squashing age-old customs and liberties.
 
Demonizing of vaping – attacking legitimate alternatives – exactly in the way that HCL is falsely demonized – so that THERE IS NO ALTERNATIVE to the WHO and its policies.
 
WHO elevated as some kind of governmental authority which it is not.
 
Deceit by the tobacco industry, which to this day is complicit in the supply of contraband cigarettes and rolling tobacco.
 
Covertly adding ingredients to tobacco to make it more addictive.
 
Lying, falsifying data, manipulating professional journals to misrepresent the danger of tobacco to health.
 
Corruption, paying politicians (Tony Blair F1 cigarette advertising scandal) to promote the interests of the tobacco industry at the expense of public health.
 
 
Tobacco industry never forced anyone to smoke, however, unlike Big Pharma and the breaking of the Nuremberg Code with forced medical interventions.
 
Even additives to make cigarettes more addictive is not as bad as knowingly injecting unnecessary metals into people’s bodies with known harmful effects (and the Kenyan accusations of covert sterilization of women, of course).
 
Tobacco 1, Big Pharma 0 in an ‘ethical football’ game.

Steve Hayes
Steve Hayes
Jun 24, 2020 2:07 PM
Reply to  Moneycircus

The Nuremberg Code is specifically limited to scientific experimentation.

Moneycircus
Moneycircus
Jun 24, 2020 2:11 PM
Reply to  Steve Hayes

That’s exactly what Big Pharma is doing: scientific experimentation, population-wide. It’s simply that governments are giving their imprimatur by letting it go ahead without the usual testing, surely?
 
Tobacco never asked for legal immunity, which Big Pharma has demanded presumably because it knows its products are experimental. (That’s another for my Tobacco vs Pharma ethical playoff).
 
 

Steve Hayes
Steve Hayes
Jun 24, 2020 2:16 PM
Reply to  Moneycircus

You are misusing the term scientific experimentation. A public health initiative to vaccinate a population is not a scientific experiment.

jess
jess
Jun 24, 2020 2:53 PM
Reply to  Steve Hayes

they are a terror group. look at the huge spike in deaths they caused. that inspite of drops in other deaths due to medical activities. best those involved collect evidence on those ‘above’ them and come out with it quick. big brother is watching and the storm is closing in fast.

Nixon Scraypes
Nixon Scraypes
Jun 24, 2020 4:06 PM
Reply to  Steve Hayes

It is if you are using a vaccine that has not been through the standard testing procedure,which I believe takes a few years.

Steve Hayes
Steve Hayes
Jun 24, 2020 4:12 PM
Reply to  Nixon Scraypes

No it isn’t a scientific experiment. Pushing a vaccine that had not been demonstrated to be safe on a population would be criminally irresponsible.

I DENY YOUR BS
I DENY YOUR BS
Jun 24, 2020 9:05 PM
Reply to  Steve Hayes

This is exactly what the corona “crisis” is about…. to obtain consent to do just that.

Steve Hayes
Steve Hayes
Jun 25, 2020 12:07 PM
Reply to  I DENY YOUR BS

I would be interested in seeing the evidence that supports that conclusion.

jess
jess
Jun 24, 2020 6:00 PM
Reply to  Nixon Scraypes

they might take years to develop but the safety testing is practically none existant. if they show you something it wil usually be an efficacy study. they might even show some safety study hoping nobody reads it and realises it doesnt show safet at all. you could call them experimental afterall they keep on releasing floored follow up studies to defend the practice but they proably dont release the real studies of what experiments they are doing. they admit flu injections are altered every year with no safety studies.

Howard
Howard
Jun 24, 2020 5:21 PM
Reply to  Steve Hayes

Vaccination, as was pointed out to you, becomes a scientific experiment when the outcome is not known. And it cannot ever be known simply because there are so many variables – as many variables as there are people to be vaccinated. One child in 25 suffers a reaction. Determining which child that will be is the very essence of experimentation.

Mike Ellwood (Oxon, UK)
Mike Ellwood (Oxon, UK)
Jun 24, 2020 6:36 PM
Reply to  Howard

It’s an experiment all right, but a very unscientific one.

Steve Hayes
Steve Hayes
Jun 24, 2020 7:34 PM
Reply to  Howard

You do not seem to understand the term scientific experiment. Just because the outcome of an action is unknown does not make it an experiment. There are many things I could do without knowing the outcome of the actions: that lack of knowledge would not render them scientific experiments.

Howard
Howard
Jun 25, 2020 3:12 PM
Reply to  Steve Hayes

Now I think I begin to see the light. Since it’s abundantly obvious that the vaccine manufacturers do not care who is harmed – the National Childhood Vaccine Injury Act of 1985/86 in the US removes all liability for injury or death from vaccines – it therefore cannot possibly be an “experiment” on their part. I stand corrected.

Steve Hayes
Steve Hayes
Jun 25, 2020 3:30 PM
Reply to  Howard

Very witty.

I DENY YOUR BS
I DENY YOUR BS
Jun 24, 2020 9:42 PM
Reply to  Howard

It goes beyond immediate reactions. The long term effects have not been examined and I suspect vaccines are repsonsible for a good part of the extensive ill health that modern culture has to deal with. Compromised immune systems and fuck knows what else.
 
The vaxxers are talking about “saving lives” because they are concerned with quantity, not quality… In their pseudo scientific and actually religious belief, a life of suffering and dependency is preferable to no life, because more meat for the grinder is always needed.
 
Here, have some vaccines and antibiotics to increase productivity of the human farm – bang here’s 8 billion subjects! Progress, ca-ching!

Howard
Howard
Jun 25, 2020 3:22 PM
Reply to  I DENY YOUR BS

The ruling elites have indeed backed themselves into a corner – or more precisely, onto the horns of a dilemma. On one hand they promote the very things which will increase the population – fossil fuel consumption, medical “treatments,” etc; while on the other hand they don’t want so many people. (Maybe they don’t realize that population and people are synonymous.)
 
At any rate, since they would like to flatten the population curve, they need to find a way to retain their profits (on vaccines in the present instance) yet at the same time cull the mass herd. Wait a minute! How about making the vaccines as toxic as possible? Sound like a win-win proposition? Force people to pay for their own demise. Doesn’t get any better!

I DENY YOUR BS
I DENY YOUR BS
Jun 24, 2020 9:04 PM
Reply to  Steve Hayes

Since they do not know what the effects of the vaccines will be without years of testing, the argument is that they are in fact experimenting if they push a vaccine in the near future.

Steve Hayes
Steve Hayes
Jun 25, 2020 12:06 PM
Reply to  I DENY YOUR BS

Oh dear, just because you do something without knowing what the result will be does not make it a scientific experiment.

John Pretty
John Pretty
Jun 24, 2020 2:21 PM
Reply to  Moneycircus

“Makes me wonder if tobacco was a scapegoat”
 
Actually, no.
 
Tobacco is a known killer. And it has been responsible for the premature deaths of many thousands of people. That’s fact.
 
Vaccines not so. A lot of bad stuff is said about them which frankly is dodgy science to say the least.
 
Now, that does not mean that I agree with mandatory vaccination. I don’t. I am very strongly against it.
 
My position with respect to vaccines is this: It is a matter of personal choice.
 
If parents want it – if they are satisfied that a vaccine is safe – then they can have their child vaccinated.
 
However if they don’t want it then their children should not be forced to have it.
 
The same with adults. It’s not a matter of being an “anti vaxxer”. It is a matter of choice. If you don’t want it then you don’t have it. You don’t have to give your reasons. Forced vaccination is a violation.
 

Arsebiscuits
Arsebiscuits
Jun 24, 2020 3:07 PM
Reply to  John Pretty

Are you a sales rep for the drugs industry?

John Pretty
John Pretty
Jun 24, 2020 10:22 PM
Reply to  Arsebiscuits

What do you think? I don’t smoke.

Arsebiscuits
Arsebiscuits
Jun 24, 2020 3:08 PM
Reply to  John Pretty

If tobacco wasn’t addictive it wouldn’t be legal to smoke it.

John Pretty
John Pretty
Jun 24, 2020 10:23 PM
Reply to  Arsebiscuits

If tobacco wasn’t addictive nobody would smoke it.

Arsebiscuits
Arsebiscuits
Jun 24, 2020 10:25 PM
Reply to  John Pretty

How do you know?

jess
jess
Jun 24, 2020 3:20 PM
Reply to  John Pretty

calling it a vaccine is bogus. those things are poison and there is no right to poison kids. the vaxx cult are a terror group that takes hostages they call the immunocompromised and then threatens to kill if people do not take injections. they take elected officials hostage threatening mass deaths if there is not cooperation. they use tv to recruit terrorists to inject kids and impose lockdowns etc.

jess
jess
Jun 24, 2020 3:44 PM
Reply to  jess

the ideology makes members of the destructive cult both hostages and terrorists who then recruit more of the same. it is like how a suicide bomber can be trained to believe they benefit from blowing themselves up. it is psychology you can see it all over the words they use. nothing to do with health at all but visious terrorists engendering fear, isolation, masks, social destruction, food shortages, unemployment,war, holocausts etc.

John Pretty
John Pretty
Jun 24, 2020 10:26 PM
Reply to  jess

“those things are poison and there is no right to poison kids”
 
Not so. That is not true. I had vaccines given to me when I was a child, including the polio vaccine. They can be lifesavers.
 
However, they should still be properly and rigorously tested to ensure safety.
 
and even then it’s still a matter of personal choice for the parents. If they don’t want it for their children, they shouldn’t be forced to have it.

I DENY YOUR BS
I DENY YOUR BS
Jun 24, 2020 9:47 PM
Reply to  John Pretty

When I was very young me and my sibling were one day taken to the doctor for vaccination. We both kicked and screamed against it, but our parents were nowhere near informed enough and permitted it.
 
This is child abuse.
 
The children know and they should have the final say in the matter.

John Pretty
John Pretty
Jun 24, 2020 10:27 PM
Reply to  I DENY YOUR BS

I kicked and screamed when I started my first day at school.

Dungroanin
Dungroanin
Jun 24, 2020 2:23 PM
Reply to  Moneycircus

“ Tobacco industry never forced anyone to smoke, “

I beg to differ! You ignore the whole advertising industry. If you say it doesn’t FORCE people into opinion and choice you have no understanding of brainwashing.

Fuck me – beagles and chimps were made into addicts! Kids had sweet cigarettes and at one time Formula 1 was reliant on it. Then you had all of Hollywood (and others) who made smoking into a fetish – hardly any film poster didn’t have a cigarette in it – like they do now with guns! Bogarting became a word!

I am a smoker. By choice. I enjoy it. But only clean tobacco, mostly, cigarettes stink and burn fast. All environs are better because of the ban – including chemical and stench filled coat racks in a house.

As for Renee Parsons lauding the American Bill of Rights – we all know it was for the rights of slave holders – that means everyone not a slave master is a slave! Always has been in USA. USA USA!

tossers.

Arsebiscuits
Arsebiscuits
Jun 24, 2020 3:09 PM
Reply to  Dungroanin

Edward Berneys made smoking a way to boost feministic idealogues by pushing the PR that smoking is cool and good for you

Arsebiscuits
Arsebiscuits
Jun 24, 2020 3:12 PM
Reply to  Dungroanin

I quit the cancer sticks begrudgingly 6 months ago.
I tried every method to quit
I’d have given up my lungs to keep smoking but I’m needed to be able bodied in my extended life

A Texas Libertarian
A Texas Libertarian
Jun 24, 2020 4:16 PM
Reply to  Dungroanin

It’s not forcing people to convince them with words or images that they choose to listen to or gaze upon. I don’t discount the power of propaganda, but it isn’t force.

Arsebiscuits
Arsebiscuits
Jun 24, 2020 4:20 PM

It forced you to think it’s not a force

A Texas Libertarian
A Texas Libertarian
Jun 26, 2020 7:58 PM
Reply to  Arsebiscuits

Lol

tonyopmoc
tonyopmoc
Jun 24, 2020 4:18 PM
Reply to  Dungroanin

Dungroanin, That was very good for you, and I agree with almost all of it. I’ve been an ex smoker too – and we are the worst.
 
Tony

Mike Ellwood (Oxon, UK)
Mike Ellwood (Oxon, UK)
Jun 24, 2020 6:36 PM
Reply to  Moneycircus

I don’t know why people defend HCL so strongly, as though it weren’t just as much a product of big pharma as any other drug. Just because its patent has expired so they don’t make quite so much profit out of it, it’s still all part of the Big Pharma machine.
 
 
As for vaping: the point about giving up smoking is so that people just breathe in pure fresh air, as nature intended, and not some other lot of rubbish, which can’t be proved to be safe. Out of the frying pan into the fire.
 
 

I DENY YOUR BS
I DENY YOUR BS
Jun 24, 2020 9:53 PM

You can buy pure vegetable glycerin and pharmaceutical grade nicotine liquid with no additives. This (with a powerful e-cig to vape it with) worked for me and others to quit smoking and I am 100% certain is much less harmful than smoking. The only side effect I had, which is why I stopped, was a dry throat. It is a very effective way to stop smoking but not something to keep doing for years. Sending glycerin to the lungs chronically is probably a bad idea.
 

I DENY YOUR BS
I DENY YOUR BS
Jun 24, 2020 9:01 PM
Reply to  Moneycircus

To understand the tehcnocrat overlords’ obsession with eliminating nicotine, look at the indigenous shamanic cultures of South America. Tobacco is almost always their top sacred plant and most of the shamans will tell you they use the smoke to ward off evil spirits. They didn’t get lots of lung cancer because they use pure tobacco (with a much higher nicotine content) and don’t puff on it casually all day. In fact some of them don’t even smoke it but boil it in water and then pour the concentrated liquid down their noses and swallow, then vomit it out. This (among other effects) cleans out intestinal parasites which are rife in the tropics.
 
My theory is that the overlords are possessed by evil spirits whose work is interrupted by tobacco smoke!
 
They still have not said that nicotine does not cause cancer. (Tar and chemical additives do).

tonyopmoc
tonyopmoc
Jun 24, 2020 1:37 PM

Nicked from The SLOG

“The whole of UK when Boris announced that the pubs are reopening on the 4th of July:”

https://twitter.com/NoveltyBobble12/status/1275400368260812800

ame
ame
Jun 24, 2020 2:31 PM
Reply to  tonyopmoc

thats not pubs opening that is pre controlled abattoirs training
 
 
 

tonyopmoc
tonyopmoc
Jun 24, 2020 4:11 PM
Reply to  ame

Yeh, but I thought it was funny. However my wife was not impressed, and I said No, I am not going to the pub, with all these stupid restrictions on.

Paul
Paul
Jun 24, 2020 1:05 PM

For those who have paid close attention – whilst Boris was ‘sick’ and Raab was standing in he did say once the Covid vaccine becomes available they will seek to make it mandatory.
Prat Hancock has also forbidden the press from mentioning the dangers of vaccines.

The punchline to this virus hysteria has always been the vaccine.

The government are placing so much restrictions on everyone’s life to create the impression that the only way out will be to have the vaccine.

I don’t think they can make it mandatory as they’d have to prove beyond all doubt that there would be no side effects which they can’t do, especially as it’s unheard of for a vaccine to be produced in months as on average they take 5 years to produce.

Of course when the vaccine becomes available to coincide with flu season in late autumn the scum media will be running pro vaccine campaigns.
I will be ignoring it.

I find it hard to believe that any airport, shop, employer could insist you have a vaccination as if they refused you entry you could just sue them for discrimination.

I think the hope of Gates and the governments is through the restrictions placed on people’s lives and a campaign of terror from MSM the majority will run to get the vaccine.

That’s up to them.

I DENY YOUR BS
I DENY YOUR BS
Jun 24, 2020 9:59 PM
Reply to  Paul

I suspect they will pull it off in less “developed” countries where human rights are routinely shat on… and maybe even some “first world” countries. Australia comes to mind. Maybe Italy and Spain too. They will probably try the passport thing in the UK.

breweriana
breweriana
Jun 24, 2020 12:52 PM

Bad article. ‘choice’.
 
Total hypocrisy. “1973 Roe v Wade”
Choice: no choice for the baby, however – that’s just a ‘bunch of cells’.

John Pretty
John Pretty
Jun 24, 2020 2:26 PM
Reply to  breweriana

Nice to be in agreement with you for a change.

breweriana
breweriana
Jun 24, 2020 5:38 PM
Reply to  John Pretty

Thanks J.
 
We appear to be on the wrong side of the ghastly modernists’ ‘moral relativism’ cult, judging from the down votes!
 
My favourite question to them (this one always winds them up) is:
“Do you think the world would be a better place today if you had been aborted, thus leaving more opportunities for the rest of mankind? A simple ‘yes’ or ‘no’ will suffice.”
 
I have never had the straight answer to that one, yet.

Calamity Jane
Calamity Jane
Jun 24, 2020 6:45 PM
Reply to  breweriana

The childish facebook like votes up and down are rigged here.
I have asked them to get rid of them and what they need them for but no answer.
Facebook use them for maintaining popularity and control of the narrative they want.

John Pretty
John Pretty
Jun 24, 2020 10:28 PM
Reply to  Calamity Jane

Have a childish downvote on me c’lam.

Admin1
Admin
Admin1
Jun 24, 2020 10:48 PM
Reply to  Calamity Jane

Of course they’re not rigged, how pointless would that be? You just post comments people tend not to like very much. Try to accept it with a little dignity.

I DENY YOUR BS
I DENY YOUR BS
Jun 24, 2020 10:01 PM
Reply to  breweriana

You are not only deluded but also massively off topic and should be moderated IMO as it derails the conversation with a loaded topic that is only a “controversy” in the US and a few other Catholic backwaters.

John Pretty
John Pretty
Jun 24, 2020 10:29 PM
Reply to  I DENY YOUR BS

“should be moderated IMO”
 
You’re not in charge here either.

breweriana
breweriana
Jun 25, 2020 11:43 AM
Reply to  I DENY YOUR BS

And you were appointed censor by the pope, presumably?
Either way, you’re not in charge here.
And as I said in my post, you just never get a straight answer to my question from a ‘modern’ – they have hissy fits instead. You are the proof, if ever I need any.

Brian Sides
Brian Sides
Jun 24, 2020 12:51 PM

One might not think that advising some one on ways to improve there immune system so they could better survive an illness was illegal. But you would be wrong.
 
It is not illegal to find a cure for cancer providing you do not tell any one about it.
 
Cancer Act 1939
 
https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/Geo6/2-3/13/section/4
 
No person shall take any part in the publication of any advertisement—
 
(a)
 
containing an offer to treat any person for cancer, or to prescribe any remedy therefor, or to give any advice in connection with the treatment thereof;
 
 
 
If any person contravenes any of the provisions of the foregoing subsection, he shall be liable on summary conviction, in the case of a first conviction, to a fine not exceeding [F2level 3 on the standard scale], and, in the case of a subsequent conviction, to a fine not exceeding [F2level 3 on the standard scale] or to imprisonment for a term not exceeding three months, or to both such a fine and such imprisonment.
 
 
 
David Noakes and Lyn Thyer sent to a prison in France
David Noakes had already served his sentence in the UK for the crime of trying to cure cancer. Before being extradited to France to wait a long time to be charged for the same offence. Lyn Thyer was never charged in the UK but extradited to France for David Noakes crime.
 
 
There is a long history of people who seem able to successfully treat cancer with alternative methods. I do not know if there claims of being able to treat cancer are true. But rather than trying to find out if there was any truth in the claims. The state wishes only to shut them down with the main stream castigating them as money making charlatans.
 
While Big Pharma sells drugs that do kill that they have to withdraw and pay compensation. But that is the price of doing business and they do not have to go to jail.
 
 
 
https://www.ukcolumn.org/article/gcmaf-and-persecution-david-noakes-lyn-thyer-immuno-biotech

completelycookie
completelycookie
Jun 24, 2020 3:35 PM
Reply to  Brian Sides

No, big bad pharma has indemnity

Mike Ellwood (Oxon, UK)
Mike Ellwood (Oxon, UK)
Jun 24, 2020 6:42 PM
Reply to  Brian Sides

Most AIDS deaths were from the drugs I believe (at least tin the USA). Or at least a combination of the anti-AIDS drugs and a lifestyle including excessive recreational drugs, excessive alcohol, and poor nutrition.

I DENY YOUR BS
I DENY YOUR BS
Jun 24, 2020 10:06 PM
Reply to  Brian Sides

It’s another death cult industry killing people while pretending to treat. Chemo “therapy” and radio”therapy”must be a lucrative business seeing how they railroad frightened patients into them, which tends to make their final years a living nightmare.

Kalen
Kalen
Jun 24, 2020 12:39 PM

Children are not getting sick or dying from SC2 infection, they are proven to be resistant hence no need for them to be vaccinated for COVID at all. Period.

In fact it could be dangerous to vaccinate anyone who already was naturally inoculated and developed antibodies.

The efficacy of any other vaccination for communicable diseases that substantially affect children relates only to completely heathy children vaccinated with perfectly working after decades long development and testing in real epidemic settings vaccines, and only with utmost quality control and individual assessment of potential efficacy and only in areas and/or times of direct epidemic threat.

Boosting immune health of children by healthy life style of outdoor exercising, exposure to sun and natural environmental elements including good bacteria, adequate and healthy food and minimizing social stress family and community settings to name few factors that should be number one priority for achieving health of our children.

The vaccines, as they inherently bridge natural defenses of our immune system should be not first but last resorts. And in fact vaccines are pushed so that critical for immune system above factors can be ignored and social system that produces army of sick people to continue to be exploited with minimal threat to social order of oligarchic masters.

Automatic MANDATORY vaccination for all regardless of individual cases is medically inefficacious, generally harmful, even deadly and serves not public but government social control and Big Pharma corporate profits.

Nixon Scraypes
Nixon Scraypes
Jun 24, 2020 4:12 PM
Reply to  Kalen

Yes, double yes.

polistra
polistra
Jun 24, 2020 11:19 AM

This is a good thing, not a bad thing. Mandatory vaccinations have always been part of REAL public health policy. Vaccinations work beautifully against some viruses like polio and smallpox and measles. They don’t work very well against flu viruses like the currently fashionable Witch Virus, but they’re still more helpful than harmful.

We need to direct our outrage at the PERFECTLY ANTI-SCIENTIFIC AND PERFECTLY MURDEROUS lockdown crap, not waste it on real science.

Arsebiscuits
Arsebiscuits
Jun 24, 2020 11:37 AM
Reply to  polistra

Say that to all the kids in India who got polio from a polio vaccine.

John Pretty
John Pretty
Jun 24, 2020 2:29 PM
Reply to  Arsebiscuits

I had a polio vaccine and I’m still here.
 
Is this something to do with Gates? Just because he is not trustworthy does not invalidate the use of all vaccines.
 
It should be a matter of personal choice.

Arsebiscuits
Arsebiscuits
Jun 24, 2020 2:37 PM
Reply to  John Pretty

I only stated kids in India who got the polio vaccine and got polio as a result. Nobody else or anything else. Risk involved when they obviously stated it’s a blessing, when in fact the polio disease had been at its lowest since it’s peak when the vaccine came along but it claims it it handled the problem when it was extincting it’s self and the vaccine probably kept it alive more than it should have in the years ahead.
Injection of a part of the virus into a healthy person usually doesn’t always end well does it?

It’s like saying I had unprotected sex with a prostitute and I didn’t get HIV so what’s the big deal?

John Pretty
John Pretty
Jun 24, 2020 2:54 PM
Reply to  Arsebiscuits

“Injection of a part of the virus into a healthy person usually doesn’t always end well does it?”
 
Actually it does. A Virus is composed of two things. A string of DNA or RNA (essentially the same thing for a layman) and a coat of protein which protects the DNA and RNA within. Like a clam inside it’s shell.
 
DNA is the active bit. It can do two things:
 
1) It can replicate – make copies of itself.
 
2) It can make protein.
 
That is what DNA does, including our own. It doesn’t do anything else.
 
So the active part of a virus is the DNA or RNA, but that is not on display. The body’s immune system doesn’t see that. The immune system only sees the protein coat – the shell.
 
But the protein coat, like an empty shell you find on a beach, is inert, it doesn’t do anything.
 
The principle with regard to vaccines is that you inject the empty protein shell (devoid of any DNA or RNA) and the immune system sees it and metaphorically speaking “takes it’s details” so that it will recognise it if it comes back.
 
Then if the live virus invades (protein shell plus the active component, the DNA or RNA) the body immediately recognises it and deals with it. There’s no delay during which the virus could do damage.
 
That’s the basic principle.
 
The flu virus comes round every year as it changes the shape of it’s protein shell and the immune system doesn’t recognise it.
 
Anyway, the India thing I think is due to Gates, but I’m not really clued up on it. It should always be a matter of personal choice anyway IMO and vaccines must be properly tested before being administered to the general population.

Norbertrand
Norbertrand
Jun 24, 2020 3:22 PM
Reply to  John Pretty

Not sure what you mean by ‘due to Gates’? Do you think he personally developed the vaccine? If not, then what influence did he have that resulted in a vaccine that was so catastrophic? Maybe it would be an idea to become ‘clued up on it’ before making any further comments. However, I totally agree that it is personal choice.

John Pretty
John Pretty
Jun 24, 2020 10:33 PM
Reply to  Norbertrand

Look, I’ve just given you a detailed picture of how vaccines work in simple language and all I receive from the likes of you is pompous disapproval.
 
I read somewhere that Bill Gates’ foundation had instigated a programme in India that went wrong. But this is not typical of all vaccines. From what I can make out it was not properly tested.
 
If the report was even true. It’s so hard to tell these days.
 

jess
jess
Jun 24, 2020 5:28 PM
Reply to  John Pretty

is there a mechanism the alleged flu virus causes harm with?

John Pretty
John Pretty
Jun 24, 2020 10:39 PM
Reply to  jess

Yes.
 
A virus reproduces by invading a cell and then using the organic components of the cell to make clones of itself.
 
It makes copies of it’s DNA and then makes it’s protein coat. The whole then comes together as a new virus. At some point when all of the cell has been used it breaks out and the resulting virus particles invade other cells
 
It is in effect eating it’s host. It’s a purely chemical process – it isn’t thinking while all this is happening.
 
At some point the body’s immune system is triggered as chemical alarm bells have been ringing. You usually become ill at this point.
 
he symptoms – for example a raised temperature and a cough or sneezing – are manifestations of the body trying to kick out the invader.
 
 

John Pretty
John Pretty
Jun 24, 2020 10:30 PM
Reply to  John Pretty

lol, what a bunch of ignoramouses.

Norbertrand
Norbertrand
Jun 26, 2020 8:43 AM
Reply to  John Pretty

You replied to yourself by the way … 🙂
 
Now go queue up for your untested covid vaccine. Good luck with the cytokine storm. You’ll need it.

Norbertrand
Norbertrand
Jun 26, 2020 8:51 AM
Reply to  Norbertrand

And it’s spelled ‘ignoramus’ … you ignoramus
 
Here’s a final soupcon of information from the previous SARS drama.
 
https://www.cidrap.umn.edu/news-perspective/2004/12/sars-vaccine-linked-liver-damage-ferret-study

Amanda
Amanda
Jun 24, 2020 3:16 PM
Reply to  John Pretty

This reply shows you’ve never taken a moment to really research vaccines and their effects. How people have such a strong pro-vaccine stance when never having looked deeper into them is mind-boggling when compared to the effort and research they put into other such topics.

John Pretty
John Pretty
Jun 24, 2020 10:40 PM
Reply to  Amanda

Your comment is just ignorant, madam.

Norbertrand
Norbertrand
Jun 24, 2020 11:51 AM
Reply to  polistra

I’m afraid vaccines do not work ‘beautifully’ for polio or anything else, including smallpox. Smallpox was all but gone by the time the vaccine was introduced but of course the vaccine was credited with it’s disappearance. Polio is now only present largely BECAUSE OF the vaccine and VDPV, vaccine derived polio https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/vpd/polio/hcp/vaccine-derived-poliovirus-faq.html.
In a recent attempt at debunking James Corbett’s excellent expose of Bill Gates. Corbett has comprehensively debunked the attempted debunking. Showing beyond reasonable doubt that 490,000 Indian children were indeed damaged by the Gates funded polio vaccine.
https://www.corbettreport.com/fact-check-polio-vaccines-tetanus-vaccines-and-the-gates-foundation/
I suggest you check that presentation out.It’s fully referenced and very well presented.