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The Co-opting of Activism by the State

Dustin Broadbery

It is well documented that members of the police and intelligence communities have been infiltrating activist groups since the sixties. With covert spymasters rising in the ranks to hold influential leadership positions, guiding policy and strategy, and in some cases, radicalising those movements from within, in order to damage their reputation and weaken public support.

A judge-led public enquiry in the UK revealed at least 144 undercover police operations had infiltrated and spied on more than 1,000 political groups in long term deployments since 1968.

These days, rather than using coercion to suppress sedition, there is a body of evidence to suggest the state has devised more nefarious methods for countering subversion. Involving the co-opting of grassroots movements, in its bid to transform the unbridled ideals of activism into genuflections of corporate and political interest.

Indeed, the denaturing of our social movements has engendered a culture of advocacy whereby it is no longer forged in the backyard of community and instead through a series of state sponsored global debates, on authorised issues only, such as climate change.

The environmental movement, not to be confused with the ecological movement, appeals to our god-complex, and fantasises that our species holds dominion over nature, that our actions could somehow compromise the planet’s homeostasis.

An absurdity, when humanity is in fact the fragile child of a fierce, indomitable mother-nature, who can and does kick our proverbial arse, and rightly so, as punishment for romanticising our survival beyond the limit of our expiry date; a thrashing she has delivered punctually, in accordance with the cycles of her rhythm – renewing herself in the face of inevitable extinction – delivered to the ancestors of our ancestors, since the dawn of time. Welcome to the world.

It should also be noted, the consensual focus on the wrong environmental issues of the day provides some mild analgesic (or airbrush to sweep under the rug of blissful ignorance), the greater human pains, we forget to experience, as a result of complicity in a social order which unleashes devastating inequality, poverty and famine, mostly to non-European habitants; and political disenfranchisement, stratification, and assault upon individualism, to the rest of us.

Extinction Rebellion campaigns on the politically prescribed bandwagon of the day, dressed as the proletariat, carrying the recycled torch of direct action dissidents from the eighties and nineties, who campaigned fiercely on bonafide issues, such as equality, sovereignty and political inclusion.

Yet, contrary to the ideals of those drowned out voices of civil disobedience, ER is courted by high profile financial donors and is aligned ideologically with multinational energy corporations and billionaire philanthropists. each vying for a fattened slice of the climate change pie. Making this motley crew anything but grass roots.

Another funder of ER is billionaire philanthropist, George Soros, who is, unsurprisingly, a seed investor in Avaaz, often cited as the world’s largest and most powerful online activist network. This paradoxical, head-scratching fiction, that would attempt to align the polarising ideals of activism and billionaires – as if the two would be commuted through mutual interest – is straight out of the pages of an elaborate science fiction novel set in a parallel universe.

The government, in granting rights of passage across key public access routes into Central London, to an assembly of ER, reeks of state-collusion, especially when the right to protest, decimated by the true bastion of civil liberties Tony Blair, was not granted to the hundred thousand students, who as teenagers and kids, protested the exorbitant, threefold increase in university tuition fees back in 2010. Who were instead subjected to brutal, would-be-illegal mistreatment by riot police, through appalling practices such as Kettling.

Meanwhile, the bobbies on the beat at ER appeared cheerful and avuncular, almost sitting down ceremoniously to share sips of decaffeinated green tea from the festival flask.

Conveniently, ER’s ‘Circus of Excess’ takeover of Central London took place on April 12th 2019, one day after Julian Assange was arrested inside the Ecuadorian Embassy on April 11th, delivering a timely front page airbrush to whitewash the bigger story of Assange’s arrest and its grave ramifications to free speech and press freedom at large.

It is no coincidence that another Soros funded activism group Black Lives Matter has diverted the spotlight away from the lockdown’s broader impact on the fundamental human rights of billions of people, using the reliable methods of divide and rule, to highlight the plight of specific strata’s of society, and not all.

It’s worth pointing out that BLM’s activity spikes every four years. Always prior to the elections in the US, as African Americans make up an important social segment of Democrat votes. The same Democrats who play both sides like any smart gambler would. The Clintons, for example, are investors into BLM”s partner, the anti-fascist ANTIFA. While Hilary Clinton’s mentor (and best friend) was former KKK leader Robert Byrd.

BLM is a massively hyped, TV-made, politicised event, that panders to the populist and escapist appetite of the people. Blinding them from their true call to arms in defence of the universal rights of everyone. Cashing in on the youths pent-up aggression (or post-lockdown syndrome). And weaponising the tiger locked in a rattled cage for 3-months, and unleashed by puppet masters as the mob.

The organisers of BLM make obvious their insincerity by omitting this crucial focal point on their banner, to a youth, whose precious freedoms have been hijacked more than most throughout the draconian lockdown operation. The ramifications of which are predicted to impact 135 million people in Africa and other developing countries, who are facing devastating biblical famines, as a humanitarian catastrophe looms, which BLM are not protesting.

As a general rule of thumb, it is safe to assume that if a social movement has the backing of big industry, big philanthropy or big politics, then its ideals run contrary to citizen empowerment.

The Movement for Gender Neutrality

Politically correct ‘activism’ that falls short of the watershed, has replaced genuine social advocacy, that does not. Case in point is the unpleasant movement for gender-neutrality, who reject the social constructs of masculine and feminine, and would replace those expletives, with the linguistic root and pronoun, ‘they,’ ‘ze’ ,‘zir’ or ‘it’s,’ In other words, a pejorative-type rhetoric that sounds remarkably like the long hiss of air being slowly released from a punctured tyre.

The notion that we should transpose the sublime and nuanced qualities that aggregate our humanity, with grammatical pronouns, should be taken outside, trousers pulled down and bottom spanked. Especially when, advocacy which campaigns for language to avoid distinguishing roles according to gender, is in fact, a reinforcement of those very roles. Equally ironic is the magnitude of media attention, pumped into amplifying these arbitrary platitudes, like hot air inflating a tyre.

As Jordan B Peterson points out, over the last five decades or so, psychologists have aggregated great numbers of personality trait features, using adjectives, phrases and sentences, throwing virtually every descriptor contained in human language into the mix, in a remarkably a-theoretical manner. The method? Describe people every which way imaginable. But not the fundamentals of who they actually are, right?

This white-noising of free speech into politically correct jargon, is like a redundant traffic light system confusing our perception and distorting the value and distinction we would voluntarily place on one another. Taking us on a journey from humanism to grammatical grid system. As Peterson also points out – he has studied authoritarianism for a very long time – for 40 years – and they’re started by people’s attempts to control the ideological and linguistic territory.

The ramifications of politically correct advocacy – that brings transgender into primary school classrooms – on the socialisation of children, is unhealthy and unnecessary to say the least. When a child’s mind – lacking the complexity of an adults – looks out onto the world with innocent myopic, it is without distinctions, and therefore unequipped to take on board and sort through the smorgasbord of gendered stratification, which, even we as adults, fail to comprehend much of the time.

We are all different, granted. But distinction must be respected for its virtue, rather than celebrated for its glamour. This is not a popularity contest. Trying to legitimise one form of normality over another, validates that which is in focus, and sterilises all else. Creating even more separation in an already fragmented world, which in turn requires a lexicon of new placeholders and regulations to distinguish and protect this fragile territory. Counter intuitive, when the focus should be on individual freedom of expression (that is boundless and unbridled), rather than collective expression (that exists within pre-designated coordinates), where transgender becomes a box to climb into.

The sense of entitlement or right of way which any new need for legitimacy requires, is indeed worrying. My own idiosyncrasies, for example, no matter how noble they resonate to me personally, are my own private affairs and not something I particularly wish to launder publicly, burden my neighbours with, attempt to mobilise a movement for, or challenge the status quo to transform public perception in defence of.

Why would anyone trading on their own distinctiveness want to be anything but a unique personification of themselves anyway? Rather than just another member of another club, in another normalised strata, of a normalised society. When the emphasis should be placed on individual rights, gender-neutralists do not present tangible arguments for preserving individual liberty and expression, and instead focus on the pseudo social value of even more separation and stratification.

Overall, could this perversion of our traditional touchstones be part of a broader agenda to disassemble our societal values, through a series of transformations that replace our nuanced ideals with state sponsored orthodoxies, our family values with social hierarchies, and our human identity with its symbol and pronoun?

NHS Advocacy

Advertising brands have long understood the power of advocacy. For example, support for NHS workers, by corporate brands like LEON, involves the same marketing strategy exemplified in their corporate takeover of Gay Pride. The rainbow is almost copy/paste.

The unscrupulous machinations of advertising executives have long understood the power of promoting products directly to children, with many corporations employing professional psychologists to sufficiently get into a child’s mind, to influence their choices. The resulting Pester-power extends the consent from child to parent, and creates a chain reaction of peer pressure from one child’s parent to the next.

The recruiting of children into activism, that started with Greta, and now playing out in the UK’s national art project paying homage to the NHS, with rainbow paintings displayed in windows like National flags, is another psychological trick of the state that places insurmountable pressure on parents to assume rank and file within neighbourhood activism, or else face being ostracised.

Likewise, doorstep clapping advocacy for the NHS is another politically motivated flag-waving exercise in civil-obedience, which, like any other form of sincerity, expressed without spontaneity, is by definition, insincere.

Indeed, disguising an immodest show of self publicity as the unrequested, unsent and unreceived mark of respect to public health workers, is at best a personal assault on one’s own virtue, and at worst, an excuse not to participate in real or productive action in support of the noble cause.

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In conclusion, it appears there are ongoing moves to button down the dirty shirt collars of civil disobedience, and shift dissidence towards patriotic acts of obedience, such as the recent pot and pan bashing doorstep advocacy for the NHS.

Has this widespread infiltration of activism resulted in the state taking clandestine ownership of the most visible movements, in order to transform activism into instruments that can be used to do the unofficial bidding of a global elite?

Dustin Broadbery is based in London and is interested in social theory and particularly how a mutual society could bring about great advancements in the social fabric. You can read more of his work at TheCogent.org and contact him through his Twitter.

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Lost in a dark wood
Lost in a dark wood
Jun 28, 2020 2:52 PM

I’m sure this Cambridge University story (as reported in RT) must be entirely coincidental.

 
https://www.rt.com/uk/492888-cambridge-white-lives-peterson-hypocrisy/
 
Selective outrage? Cambridge University lectures Twitter about academic freedom, after professor says ‘white lives don’t matter’
25 Jun, 2020 12:35 / Updated 3 days ago
 
Cambridge has proclaimed that it will defend the seemingly indefensible, after one of its professors stated that ‘white lives’ aren’t valuable. Is this the same uni that ‘canceled’ Dr Jordan Peterson, Twitter has asked? . . .
 
The statement elicited howls of “hypocrisy!” from social media . . . In March 2019, the university withdrew Canadian professor of psychology Jordan Peterson’s fellowship, after staff and students protested. . . .
 
etc
 

jacklord
jacklord
Jun 28, 2020 1:55 PM

Can any movement be co-opted by the by the very people that started them in the first place?

John Ervin
John Ervin
Jun 29, 2020 8:12 PM
Reply to  jacklord

Good question, but the co-opters are often dense enough that they dont know what they have at any depth, so that free souls longing to be freer will subvert the seeds, by co-opting them, and then the original malcontents will coopt them back, as they transform into greater value: roots and branches, then budding flowers. The fruits!

That has gone on since the dawn, and revolutionary guerrillas have long taught the precept that when they have an early precious victory of any scope against a weaponized better~shod enemy, the main spoils is acquisition of their superior technology. Or shoes!

Thus begins the process of being corrupted by the very things the enemy have used to oppress. Hard to beat!

Han Suyin gives some of the history of such process in “The Morning Deluge”. Great read.

It’s a dubious process, once begun…

(Max Weber’s core contribution 100 years ago was to show theorists that political action always achieves the opposite result of what was intended. But surely with all that 🏇 manure we optimists believe there’s GOT to at least be a pony around it, somewhere?)

sylviad
sylviad
Jun 28, 2020 10:04 AM

Great article, bravo.

Lia Young
Lia Young
Jun 28, 2020 10:03 AM

Ow My brain hurts.

P R Ivy
P R Ivy
Jun 27, 2020 7:08 PM

Has anyone seen this?
 
https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(20)31142-9/fulltext
 
they claim they have done experiments that fly in the face of every other test that has been peer reviewed, how on earth does this make it into the lancet?
 
 

Tom Larsen
Tom Larsen
Jun 30, 2020 4:40 AM
Reply to  P R Ivy

On the “Findings” in this Lancet article:
“Our search identified 172 observational studies across 16 countries and six continents, with no randomised controlled trials...” [emphasis ,mine]
 
With this caveat, it’s pretty much just opinion. That’s why RCT’s are so important, they take out the bias (like from who paid for the research).
 
Del Bigtree interviews Denis Rancourt:

polistra
polistra
Jun 27, 2020 6:34 PM

Yup. I was there in the ’60s and it was blatantly obvious. Drug sellers who were tied to the government were able to continue selling and reporting on political activities. Pot users who were politically active but NOT tied to the government ended up in jail.
 
The pattern was already present around 1908 when Deepstate was invented. The government was running “revolutions” in Central America to capture countries for our fruit and sugar companies. Govenment-sponsored leftist activists here were supporting the “revolutions”.
 
Nothing is new under the sun.

Waldorf
Waldorf
Jun 29, 2020 8:53 AM
Reply to  polistra

Govenment-sponsored leftist activists here were supporting the “revolutions”.
That is a fairly new phenomenon and probably a sign of much of the left’s post-USSR rootlessness and the ability of states or foundations to simply bribe key people. Nobody on the left in the USA was dumb enough to support the overthrow of Arbenz in Guatemala, or back the Contras in Nicaragua.

John Ervin
John Ervin
Jun 29, 2020 1:45 PM
Reply to  polistra

Yup, redux. You look at agents like Timothy Leary or Ken Kesey or Bill Ayers –indeed, Abbie Hoffman and Jerry Rubin– and they mysteriously were able to do all kinds of outlandish things, but at the end of the day usually wound up in the lap of establishment endowments, if not tenured professorship at universities (Ayers and his Weatherman wife) or even as stockbrokers (both Rubin and Hoffman, and both of them also as suspicious deaths, too).

Following most of those very American storylines to their bitter end, is enough to make a grown hippie cry.

Who D. Who
Who D. Who
Jul 5, 2020 1:17 PM
Reply to  John Ervin

You seem not to know that Abbie was framed on trumped-up drug charges, had to go underground, and had his life completely ruined and shortened by the authorities. Leary and Kesey were NOT anyone’s “agents”. Leary, like all Harvard profs, had connections in the halls of power, but he was the free radical who escaped. His integrity has never been in doubt. And Kesey was entirely his own man, and a brilliant one at that. Rubin, finally, was simply a shameless opportunist, as immediately became clear.
 
I’m all for a good conspiracy theory, but evidence does matter. You’re in the realm of pure fantasy.
 
The 60’s rebellions, both black and white, were far more authentic than what is going on now. That’s why the PTB have taken the lead this time. So they can corral the sheep, unlike the 60s, where they had little grip on events and had ultimately to resort to destroying people’s lives and sometimes assassinating them.
 
“Women’s Lib,” on the other hand, was heavily CIA. And the divisionism fostered then is more alive than ever today.

John Ervin
John Ervin
Jul 8, 2020 12:01 AM
Reply to  Who D. Who

Oh yes, I AM aware of all that you relate, and they are largely cover stories. You havent added any information I hadn’t heard.

I have had face to face conversations with ardent admirers of Abbie and Leary, and they get upset with my allegations. Of course, theyre old hippies, so theyre pretty tolerant, but still upset. (Kesey I don’t know enough, but his CIA connections are well documented, even at wiki. Of course, in the ’60s the darker side of CIA Janus profile was not well known, and many good people had various connections: Mary Pinchot Meyer, divorced from a key agent, an associate of Leary, also a very unsolved murder; Geo. McGovern, for whom I campaigned; Wm. Sloane Coffin; I think the reason J.D. Salinger went recluse was related).

I do storefront work gathering signatures for state Calif. Initiatives and the way I rant I get a lot of intel “Mystery Shoppers”, especially in San Diego, which is a defense installation, basically. I was at the Point Loma Home Depot, and one of them called out the spooks –HD gives 100% of its donations to the Republican Party. I had crossed the line when I said Adolf Hitler won the War.)

I was ranting about Leary 5 years ago there and the apparent agent said, “No, I agree, he admits it. I’ve read all his books, have you read his books? He says the whole West Coast LSD scene was a CIA psyop, but it backfired. Instead of controlling people, it made them more thoughtful.”

I lamented that it also fried a lot of very good minds and artists. Exhibit A: : Brian WILSON, the permafried Beach Boy, who, Mike Love says, solely inhabits the WilsonVerse.

Which was Richard Helms’ entire purpose, that hideous Orc.

If anyone continues to inquire, they’ll find these things pretty easy to confirm. Such as Leary having secured sn appointment to West Point in the late1940s. He was courtmartialled then acquitted. He said it was the only fair trial he received.

I take that as code.

I was suspicious of Leary the first time I saw him, touted by all my hippie friends as THE guru when I was 15. I never liked him. I had dinner with Laura Huxley then, and she was his good friend, and her late husband Aldous had “written the book” on LSD.

Then there was the 80s show he co-hosted with G. Gordon Liddy, a notorious CIA/FBI agent provocateur de luxe? (A bemusing side note: my sister married an OCSD deputy -the Dept. was the “star” of Phillip K. Dick’s “A Scanner Darkly”– and he used to take Leary’s meals to him in his cell here. Dickensian!)

And still nobody got it. I’ve had several long debates with Rainbow Reid, who tells me Leary had just left his place when he got busted by Neal Purcell.

I’ve even got a recent selfie of Rainbow and Purcell at Laguna Beach City Hall, where the latter was later Police Chief., and has his arm around Rainbow’s somewhat still-tripping shoulder, big smiles both. (Rainbow was the rock concert promoter who staged the 1970 Christmas Laguna Beach Pop Festival. They say it was the last nail in the coffin of the 60s. Seems true in many ways. Rainbow’s main squeeze dislikes my “revelations” about Leary so much she can’t talk to me anymore, or she’d lose it, I get the notion. She was trembling last time we spoke, telling me to stop, repeatedly. I’d told them, “He rolled over on ALL of you, he ratted you all out.” Diplomacy has improved a little in my style, since then. I’m a slow learner, always the hard way.)

And I brought it up face to face with Dave Emory 3 years sgo, when I met him. I’ve listened to his show 30+ years (www.spitfirelist.com). I said, “I’m pretty sure Leary was some kind of CIA asset.” He cut in “He was a key AGENT. A director of the project.”

None of which, above, makes me right. But when I find a preponderance of evidence like that, especially from Leary’s own pen, I won’t call his credentials impeccable, as many would suggest, and that’s for dam’s swell and sure.

¢4£&$4$~~~~

As Exhibit B: almost all of the mourners at Abbie’s funeral (suicided, like my father) were STOCKBROKERS……!

Quite a contrast with the (multi)colorful character in Judge Hoffman’s Chicago 7 (or 8) courtroom, and his mascot “Pigasus”.

I wouldn’t make such an issue, but these are very important historical matters, in an ongoing rescue of a conned public, and its real history.

Hell, Leary even took in a devout genius like Marshall McLuhan.

Apparently.

A treacherous trail of herrings aplenty.

John Ervin
John Ervin
Jun 29, 2020 1:49 PM
Reply to  polistra

“The pattern was already present around 1908 when Deepstate was invented.”

1908? A.D. or B.C.?

“Nouveau, ou Ancien”?

Gwyn
Gwyn
Jun 29, 2020 2:46 PM
Reply to  John Ervin

Ha. I was wondering the same, John.
 
(Ancien, surely?).

jess
jess
Jun 27, 2020 3:39 PM

an interesting historical example is jesus’s movement. there is an article on the website of keith akers titled was jesus a vegetarian? it looks at paul writing about being in a conflict with the early church over the issue. jesus cast out the money changers but also the animal traders from the temple. it looks to me like there was health knowledge pertinent to the whole covid thing subverted over thousands of years indeed the garden of eden would be a good place to detox putrified cheese.

Felix Culpa
Felix Culpa
Jun 27, 2020 2:58 PM

Remember what Putin said about Occupy Wall Street protests where the signs read things like: “I’m 100K in debt and can only get an upaid internship” ? He asked where they went and answered himself with gesticulation: dismantle and toss.
Now we know he missed the final move: replace with faux “fighting the power”. BLM, Antifa, the homosexual lobby are but the latest oligarchic vanguard passed the baton of revolution understood as rebellion to Logos.
OffGuardian editors: interview E. Michael Jones.

Paul Vonharnish
Paul Vonharnish
Jun 27, 2020 2:37 PM

Whilst the article points out the unfortunate foibles of populist “movements” it leaves the reader with no remedial suggestions. Mainly because remedial suggestions to all social inequalities are dictated by socialist/populist movements; and are typically financed by NGO’s and think tanks such as the Rockefeller Foundation…
 
One has only to study the comment sections of such articles to see the mental dissonance of personal perception.
 
The only way out of all alleged “populist” culture is to pull children (and adults) out of mandated and destructive indoctrination systems. Alas, all “educational systems” are designed to crush personal identity and replace cognitive skills with mind numbing memorization and repetition of falsehoods.
 
Governmental employees excel at pandering to cultural falsehoods, and no amount of organisational restructuring will appease our defined social dilemmas, because social inequalities and dilemmas are intrinsically the end result of human organization. It is an obvious Catch 22.
 
Personal anarchy and independence from the need to join some social “club” is the only remedial solution to mandated cultures.

GillyRoots
GillyRoots
Jul 7, 2020 12:33 AM

The powerful social movement which has shaken France, known as the ‘GiletsJaune’ the ‘GJ’ or ‘yellow vests’, with it’s continuous struggle, its heterogeneity and confusion, but also with its refusal to comply with the law and the bourgeois order, to be framed by political parties and trade unions, with its refusal of any representation or delegation of its power of action, with all its strength and determination, thus somewhat challenging the general characteristics of proletarian struggles as they have developed in recent decades….“Here we are / Here we are” https://www.autistici.org/tridnivalka/wp-content/uploads/class_war_10-2019-en.pdf

IANA
IANA
Jun 27, 2020 1:28 PM

Wasn’t Lenin who said – ‘The best way to control the opposition is to lead it ourselves.’

Waldorf
Waldorf
Jun 29, 2020 8:50 AM
Reply to  IANA

I notice quotes like that are rarely sourced and often turn out to be bogus. The Tsarist state did experiment with controlled opposition like Georgi Gapon, and others since have no doubt done it better.

Steve Hayes
Steve Hayes
Jun 27, 2020 1:02 PM

a fierce, indomitable mother-nature, who can and does kick our proverbial arse, and rightly so, as punishment for romanticising our survival

It was at this point I stopped reading. The notion that the natural world is a person is beyond absurd and only serves to obscure, rather than reveal.

Butties
Butties
Jun 27, 2020 4:25 PM
Reply to  Steve Hayes

It is not a person but does react to events.

Steve Hayes
Steve Hayes
Jun 27, 2020 4:30 PM
Reply to  Butties

Nature is not a person, not a woman, not a mother, doesn’t have opinions, does not judge, does not punish, and does not know about any ideas members of our species may hold. The personification is nothing more than mystification and obscurantism.

I DENY YOUR BS
I DENY YOUR BS
Jun 27, 2020 5:14 PM
Reply to  Steve Hayes

Does not judge or punish, but indeed does know about ALL the ideas because it is a much higher intelligence to human intelligence. It’s like comparing a flat disc to a sphere. You cannot understand this by reading books or thinking about it- there are other human faculties beyond the intellect that have to be activated.
 

John Ervin
John Ervin
Jun 27, 2020 9:24 PM
Reply to  Butties

“The notion that the natural world is a person is beyond absurd and only serves to obscure, rather than reveal.”

What notion is beyond absurd is taking the personification of Nature by the essayist as literal, not metaphorical.

I DENY YOUR BS
I DENY YOUR BS
Jun 27, 2020 5:12 PM
Reply to  Steve Hayes

It’s not a person, it’s an intelligent living entity. You are free to ignore this reality and try living without it. Good luck!

John Ervin
John Ervin
Jun 29, 2020 12:56 PM
Reply to  I DENY YOUR BS

The author would seem to be assessing the intelligence of the Ecosphere in terms of what Taoists call the “Wu Wei” (I think as an apt pop translation a Jedi would call it “The Force” –and may it be with you, by the way 😇).

That’s not too hard to wrap our heads around. Broadbery seems to surmise that the median intelligence level of the reader here is up to the task, judging by the “notion”‘s context, and his own.

Mishko
Mishko
Jun 28, 2020 11:05 AM
Reply to  Steve Hayes

Otherwise known as the Gaia anthropomorphist narrative.
A thing with transhumanism advocates.

Steve Hayes
Steve Hayes
Jun 28, 2020 11:12 AM
Reply to  Mishko

Anthropomorphism is a neat tool for making tales for children.

John Ervin
John Ervin
Jun 29, 2020 1:01 PM
Reply to  Steve Hayes

“If you want your children to be intelligent, read them fairy tales. If you want them to be very intelligent, read them more fairy tales.”.

— Albert Einstein

Steve Hayes
Steve Hayes
Jun 29, 2020 1:05 PM
Reply to  John Ervin

Children who read fiction for pleasure are generally much brighter and do much better at school than children who don’t.

John Ervin
John Ervin
Jun 29, 2020 8:36 PM
Reply to  Steve Hayes

Add really Great Music, and you have the recipe for later excellence. It doesn’t have to be all classical, but for me that must be the foundation. Or should. My sense of rock’s largely unexplored gifts, gives motor force to the assays with classical, and informs its dynamisms, if insightfully mediated. And let us not minimize certain jazz and blues, at the core of all.

Triangulating all that with fancy, as seen in folk or fairy tales (and fairy folk tale, even amongst folk fairies) or its more highbrow folk as science fiction, is a fair complete culture of overcoming.

“It’s ALL Folk Music. I ain’t never heard no horse sing.”

–Louis Armstrong

John Ervin
John Ervin
Jun 29, 2020 10:41 PM
Reply to  Steve Hayes

My replies to “Mishko” (and myself) a few comments downthread, ending with the excerpted Chapter 24 of Sirach and poem passage by Wallace Stevens, may be of interest as to the cultural roots of Wisdom and Her personification in “Mother” Nature, as you wish to see it, or as part of this exchange.

John Ervin
John Ervin
Jun 29, 2020 1:23 PM
Reply to  Mishko

“A thing with transhumanism advocates.”

Not a thing, but a spirit. And not necessarily at all or ever at odds with the Christian “Holy Spirit” – as the consciousness in question is presented by the author.

Without my trying to make the whole argument, one might see that Spirit quite clearly at work (or devotedly at play) in many of the sapiential books of the (Orthodox, or Roman Catholic canon of the) Bible, especially, such as Wisdom and Sirach, but also often enough in Martin Luther’s canon (certainly in the King James translation, in “Proverbs” et al.):

“Wisdom cries out…”

That notion. The Weltgeist is, as heard by “Mother Earth” and that is how most Native American tribal cultures almost always refer to “Her”.

“Our Mother”. (Black Elk Speaks, as one shamanic book, among many.)

That one. Not at all foreign, either in thought or spiritual fact.

John Ervin
John Ervin
Jun 29, 2020 9:42 PM
Reply to  John Ervin

NOT THE ONLY TIME WISDOM SPEAKS IN THE 1ST PERSON, BELOW, BUT HER CONNECTION TO HER PERSONIFICATION (THROUGHOUT MANY CULTURES, OF ALL KINDS) AS MOTHER EARTH — BUT DISTINCT — IS MADE MOST MANIFEST BY THE IMAGERY AND ITS ROOTS (GLORIOUS FOR TEARS):

[CHAPTER 24, BOOK OF SIRACH –KNOWN TO MANY OF OLD AS “ECCLESIASTICUS” aka “BOOK OF THE CHURCH”]

PRAISE OF WISDOM

1
Wisdom sings her own praises,*

among her own people she proclaims her glory.

2
In the assembly of the Most High she opens her mouth,(a)

in the presence of his host she tells of her glory:

3
“From the mouth of the Most High I came forth,

and covered the earth like a mist.

4
In the heights of heaven I dwelt,

and my throne was in a pillar of cloud.

5
The vault of heaven I compassed alone,

and walked through the deep abyss.

6
Over waves of the sea, over all the land,

over every people and nation I held sway.

7
Among all these I sought a resting place.

In whose inheritance should I abide?

8
“Then the Creator of all gave me his command,

and my Creator chose the spot for my tent.

He said, ‘In Jacob make your dwelling,

in Israel your inheritance.’

9
Before all ages, from the beginning, he created me,

and through all ages I shall not cease to be.

10
In the holy tent I ministered before him,

and so I was established in Zion.

11
In the city he loves as he loves me, he gave me rest;

in Jerusalem, my domain.

12
I struck root among the glorious people,

in the portion of the Lord, his heritage.

13
“Like a cedar in Lebanon I grew tall,

like a cypress on Mount Hermon;

14
I grew tall like a palm tree in Engedi,

like rosebushes in Jericho;

Like a fair olive tree in the field,

like a plane tree beside water I grew tall.

15
Like cinnamon and fragrant cane,

like precious myrrh I gave forth perfume;

Like galbanum and onycha and mastic, (b)

like the odor of incense in the holy tent.*

16
“I spread out my branches like a terebinth,

my branches so glorious and so graceful.

17
I bud forth delights like a vine;

my blossoms are glorious and rich fruit.†

19
Come to me, all who desire me,

and be filled with my fruits.*

20
You will remember me as sweeter than honey,

better to have than the honeycomb.

21
Those who eat of me will hunger still,*

those who drink of me will thirst for more. (c)

22
Whoever obeys me will not be put to shame,

and those who serve me will never go astray.”

23
All this is the book of the covenant of the Most High God, (d)

the Law which Moses commanded us*

as a heritage for the community of Jacob.†

25
It overflows, like the Pishon, with wisdom, (e)

and like the Tigris at the time of first fruits.

26
It runs over, like the Euphrates, with understanding,

and like the Jordan at harvest time.

27
It floods like the Nile with instruction,

like the Gihon* at vintage time.

28
The first human being never finished comprehending wisdom,

nor will the last succeed in fathoming her.

29
For deeper than the sea are her thoughts,

and her counsels, than the great abyss.

30
Now I, like a stream from a river,*

and like water channeling into a garden—

31
I said, “I will water my plants,

I will drench my flower beds.”

Then suddenly this stream of mine became a river,

and this river of mine became a sea.

32
Again I will make my teachings shine forth like the dawn;

I will spread their brightness afar off.

33
Again I will pour out instruction like prophecy

and bestow it on generations yet to come.

* [24:1–29] Wisdom speaks in the first person, describing her origin, her dwelling place in Israel, and the reward she gives her followers. As in Proverbs 8, Wisdom is personified as coming from God, yet distinct from him. This description is reflected in the Johannine logos, or Word (Jn 1:1–14). It is used extensively in the Roman liturgy.

* [24:15] These substances, associated with worship, are mentioned in Ex 30:23–28, 34–35 as the ingredients of the anointing oil and the sacred incense. Israel was a priestly nation (Ex 19:6; Is 61:6).

† [24:17] Other ancient texts read as v. 18:

I am the mother of fair love, of reverence,

of knowledge, and of holy hope;

To all my children I give

to be everlasting: to those named by Him.

* [24:19] Mt 11:28–30 contains a similar invitation.

* [24:21] The paradox of wisdom is that, far from being satiated, those who partake of her will always desire more.

* [24:23] Ben Sira now identifies Wisdom and the law of Moses; see also Bar 4:1.

† [24:23] Other ancient texts read as v. 24:

Do not grow weary of striving with the Lord’s help,

but cling to him that he may reinforce you.

The Lord Almighty alone is God,

and apart from him there is no savior.

* [24:27] Gihon: understood by some to have been a name for the Nile; cf. Gn 2:13.

* [24:30–33] Ben Sira again speaks about himself. He had at first drawn a small portion of the water of wisdom for his own private benefit, but finding it so useful, he soon began to let others share in this boon by teaching them the lessons of wisdom. Like the words of the prophets, Ben Sira’s instruction is valuable for all generations (v. 33). The comparison to prophecy is bold and unique.

a. [24:3–6] Sir 1:1–4; Prv 2:6; 8:22–36; Wis 7:24–25.

b. [24:15] Ex 30:23–28, 34–35.

c. [24:21] Is 55:1; Jn 4:10–14; 6:35.

d. [24:23] Ex 24:7.

e. [24:23–27] Gn 2:11–14.

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(BOOK OF) PROVERBS 1:20+ (NAB):

WISDOM IN PERSON GIVES A WARNING*

20
Wisdom cries aloud in the street,

in the open squares she raises her voice;d

21
Down the crowded ways she calls out,

at the city gates she utters her words:

22
* “How long, you naive ones, will you love naivete,

23
How long will you turn away at my reproof?

[The arrogant delight in their arrogance,

and fools hate knowledge.]

Lo! I will pour out to you my spirit,

I will acquaint you with my words:

24
‘Because I called and you refused,

extended my hand and no one took notice;e

25
Because you disdained all my counsel,

and my reproof you ignored—

26
I, in my turn, will laugh at your doom;

will mock when terror overtakes you;

27
When terror comes upon you like a storm,

and your doom approaches like a whirlwind;

when distress and anguish befall you.’

28
Then they will call me, but I will not answer;

they will seek me, but will not find me,

29
Because they hated knowledge,

and the fear of the LORD they did not choose.

30
They ignored my counsel,

they spurned all my reproof;

31
Well, then, they shall eat the fruit* of their own way,

and with their own devices be glutted.

32
For the straying of the naive kills them,

the smugness of fools destroys them.

33
But whoever obeys me dwells in security,

in peace, without fear of harm.

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“She sang beyond the genius of the sea.
The water never formed to mind or voice.
Like a body, wholly body, fluttering its empty sleeves.
Yet its mimic motion made cry,
Caused constantly a cry,
That was not ourselves,
Although we understood, inhuman,
Of the veritable ocean.
“Whose spirit is this? we asked, because we knew it was the spirit that we sought,
And knew that we should ask this often as she sang….”

–Wallace Stevens, “The Idea of Order at Key West”

(I offer that for its echoes of Wisdom as She voices Her praises in Sirach 24 above.)

John Ervin
John Ervin
Jun 29, 2020 9:54 PM
Reply to  John Ervin

DISCLAIMER: For those drawn to Wallace Stevens, check the verse for accuracy if you need it, as I first memorized the strain nearly a half century ago, refurbished as needed, my first year as a parishioner at Notre Dame Cathedral, where I would rehearse it under the mossy bridge of Pont Neuf with its unique acoustics and the echo that we discovered there. I had bought his collected poems across the bridge at Shakespeare & Co., from the long-lived owner, the late George Whitman.)

Dr NG Maroudas
Dr NG Maroudas
Jun 27, 2020 11:42 AM

“Another funder of ER is billionaire philanthropist, George Soros, who is, unsurprisingly, a seed investor in Avaaz, often cited as the world’s largest and most powerful online activist network. This paradoxical, head-scratching fiction, that would attempt to align the polarising ideals of activism and billionaires – as if the two would be commuted through mutual interest – is straight out of the pages of an elaborate science fiction novel set in a parallel universe.”
 
Parallel universes exist only in science fiction and in dubious docudramas. In our single, shared reality, today’s world is experiencing The Attack from the Left, a mature fruit of George Soros’s highly successful tactics in Nazi Hungary. I have no detailed Links to Soros’s career but from general browsing I conclude that during WW2 Soros managed to be on good terms with the Germans, did much humanitarian work for his fellow Jews, and emerged rich enough to fund a variety of suspect Humanitarian Interventionist enterprises such as the White Helmets and the Guardian newspaper — as well as those discussed by the author.
 
“A Hungarian is someone who goes into a revolving door behind you, and comes out in front”. — attributed to physicists circa WW2.
 
“Cry me a River” — from the hit show, “Right to Protect”, performed by an all star cast including John Major, Tony B.Liar and George Brown (all subsequent directors in Rothschild’s Carlyle Co), Ma & Pa Clinton (now fond grandparents in Rothschild’s Goldmans Sachs bank), David Camoron (banking family) and George Soros (philanthropist).

Moneycircus
Moneycircus
Jun 27, 2020 8:46 AM

Candace Owens: “I DO NOT support George Floyd!” has, since Jun 4, reached more than 7 million views. 


sharon marlowe
sharon marlowe
Jun 27, 2020 10:15 AM
Reply to  Moneycircus

What’s your point in linking a video of a Trump supporter, Moneycircus?

Moneycircus
Moneycircus
Jun 27, 2020 4:43 PM
Reply to  sharon marlowe

She articulates certain points that are different to, or not made by, others in her position and those points are worth hearing, regardless of whether one shares her politics.
 
Should I refuse to speak to a billionaire because of my own perceptions of why, how and who he is? And if I do speak to a billionaire, should I then refuse to speak to a tramp?

sharon marlowe
sharon marlowe
Jun 27, 2020 9:34 PM
Reply to  Moneycircus

I don’t follow the billionaire/tramp analogy, Moneycircus. But what I mean is that her judgement is bizarre, and she has totally bought into the two-party hoax. Using her view to make a point is like using an MSM talking-head to make one.

Waldorf
Waldorf
Jun 29, 2020 8:55 AM
Reply to  Moneycircus

Owens is, in her way, a good example of controlled opposition.

Marc
Marc
Jun 29, 2020 4:42 PM
Reply to  Moneycircus

Stupid smears is all she does. “George Floyd was no angel”. Completely irrelevant, beside the fact that no one is claiming he was an angel. He just became a symbol of everything that is wrong with American ‘policing’ (i.e. suppresion of the downtrodden).

Not a single point worth hearing in the video from that grifter.

I DENY YOUR BS
I DENY YOUR BS
Jun 27, 2020 5:21 PM
Reply to  sharon marlowe

Plenty of salvationism here!

UndeadDodo
UndeadDodo
Jun 28, 2020 12:18 AM
Reply to  Moneycircus

Saving all the necessary distances, she reminds me of that not so distant time when I publically and emphatically refused “to be Charlie”. Or why I never stuck my oar in the “Me too, Me too” dingdong, or the BLM, or never came out to applaud the NHS staff.
But for some of her rants and that bit about Kayne West, which I didn’t get (is she defending him? I think the guy’ a joke), she talks quite a lot of sense.
Bumba deliver us from these socially engineered “rebellions”!
And just for the record, I think Jordan Peterson’s a premier league prat and the creepiest of con men.

jess
jess
Jun 27, 2020 8:01 AM

an important example is veganism. the health vegans know alot that could trouble the who like for example to get sun for vitamin d. there is this site that tells the story of the history of the vegan society and how it did start as a diet rather than an ‘ethic’. there is a video aswell se http://vegansociety.today

jess
jess
Jun 27, 2020 10:19 AM
Reply to  jess

then the anti’vaxxers’ get kept in the carnist sphere where they think vitamin d is in animal products as with vitamin a. reality is there is no vitamin in chicken breast and fortification may vary by country etc. the papaya getting tested for ‘covid’ is likely because it is an affordable source of beta carotene noted by the wao. the anti’vax’ is steered toward ineffectivenes eg. safety. dr morse explains that these are detox symptoms not a disease. no disease means the injections are not vaccines and not applicable to any legislation on vaccines.

Cheezilla
Cheezilla
Jun 27, 2020 11:33 AM
Reply to  jess

The name veganism was coined in 1944 but Western vegetarianism (which is very different from the original Eastern version) began back in the early 1800s with Silvester Graham. He promoted temperance and a diet to diminish libido.
 
Ellen G White was the main instigator of true veganism in the late 1800s. She was a complete nut job, convinced that eating meat inevitably leads to – shock horror – masturbation, so should be avoided at all costs.
 
She brainwashed John Harvey Kellog, who was working for her from the age of 12, typesetting her books. He too was terrified of “carnal” instincts and tortured many young children in a sincere desire to “help” overcome them. Kellogg is famous not only for his cornflakes, but for his very strong enthusiasm for eugenics.
 
The grain producers have since become a powerful and highly pernicious global influence. The current aggressive push for veganism is a result of powerful industries hoping to control the food sources, while weakening the population with frankenmeat and poor nutrition. Bill Gates is up to the neck in this. A look at the sponsors of the EAT-Lancet report is very illuminating.
 
Here’s an overview: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p0VwjsZJmYo&t=2282s&fbclid=IwAR1IYHelj8ZWfrKBM4PqhKgzU3RRcKmNfARXGCREtePnCsMN8kt_rvkljP4

jess
jess
Jun 27, 2020 12:49 PM
Reply to  Cheezilla

if you look at mea consumption in europe it is much higher than in the 90s or basicaly ever. humans are a frugivorous species not grain eaters. the satanists are opposed to veganism as they were in jesus s time. you are posting propaganda proving my point. there is animals farmed on practicay every available acre heavily subsidised by the eu, world bank etc.

jess
jess
Jun 27, 2020 1:38 PM
Reply to  jess

as far as the keto stuff is cocerned you can look at the inuits poor health and their genetic adaptation. ketoisis can be done briefly with dry fasting or possibly pine nuts but a keto diet is probably very unhealthy containing antibiotics and wakkines. fruit contains fructose that is not involved with insulin. blood sugar problems are caused by animal fats.

Cheezilla
Cheezilla
Jun 27, 2020 1:58 PM
Reply to  jess

Fruitarianism is a fast track to diabetes and malnutrition.
The inuits were perfectly healthy until they were introduced to grains and sugar.
 
I suggest you read The Vegetarian Myth by Lierre Keith – who was a vegan for 20 years. She spells out the true cost, in agricultural terms, of a plant-based diet. You can get it as a free pdf or buy the book from Amazon.

jess
jess
Jun 27, 2020 2:45 PM
Reply to  Cheezilla

i didnt say fruitarian nor was i promoting veganism exactly. i was adressing how it had been subverted together with the antivax movement to destroy health.

jess
jess
Jun 27, 2020 3:07 PM
Reply to  Cheezilla

the book sounds like one of these ‘ethical’ vegans that i was explaining about. she was vegan for 20 years with little knowledge of healthy ecosystems and eventualy discovered there was a problem with industrial agriculture. donald watson was an organic gardener and put the word wholesome in the definition. there is plenty of vegans with more knowledge of agriculture and health than her. take for example dr morse. he used to be a farmer.

Mike Ellwood (Oxon, UK)
Mike Ellwood (Oxon, UK)
Jun 27, 2020 8:30 PM
Reply to  jess

Agreeing with Cheezilla about the health of the Inuit when they were eating their native diet.
 
Check out the history of Vilhjalmur Stefansson
 
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vilhjalmur_Stefansson
 
He lived for a substantial time with the Inuit, eating what they ate.
 
He later volunteered to conduct a study of an extended all-meat diet over something like 9 months to a year, along with a fellow-explorer colleague.
 
They were supervised by hospital medical staff, and lived in a wing of the hospital for a large part of the study. Their health remained perfect during that time.

Koba
Koba
Jun 27, 2020 5:45 AM

Lost all interest when you tried to use controlled opposition goon and rampant anti communist liar Peterson as a reliable source on authoritarianism when he refuses to claim any western nation is authoritarian

Panos
Panos
Jun 27, 2020 2:42 AM

Very well-written and to the point, congratulations

tonyopmoc
tonyopmoc
Jun 27, 2020 2:33 AM

He is just a Tattoo artist, from Essex
 
He has never been shy about writing his own stuff on his own website (relocated to Iceland I think), and yes can write a lot of unedited swear words on his blog, and a result of doing so, twice the heavy mob, battered his door down, and completely terrified him, and his 16 year old daughter and dogs.
 
I saw the video within hours of its release..
 
I thought how the hell can they do that?
 
This is England about 5 or 6 years ago…Police State wtf??
 
Anyhow Chris Spivey is Back.
 
They couldn’t hang anything on him, just made his life a complete misery for several years.
 
The jury, kept finding him innocent, cos he hadn’t broken any laws, and hadn’t done anything immoral – maybe a bit offensive yer know says fck about every 10th word – but even the cops really liked him, and so do I.
 
The Judge said he is Free to Go
 
http://chrisspivey.org/think-floyd/
 
Tony
 
 

Moneycircus
Moneycircus
Jun 27, 2020 4:44 AM
Reply to  tonyopmoc

This is England – The Clash (1985)


Waldorf
Waldorf
Jun 27, 2020 6:48 AM
Reply to  Moneycircus

The thumbnail picture before British police followed the international trend to militarise as if they were trying to take down Rambo.

Dr NG Maroudas
Dr NG Maroudas
Jun 27, 2020 11:58 AM
Reply to  Waldorf

@Waldorf: “as if they were trying to take down Rambo.”
 
Those bobbies wouldn’t have a hope. Rambo while on active service with his Bare Arms, Bowie Knife and Bow-and-Arrow not only took down the Evil Communists, but also after discharge — as a homeless Veteran with PTSD — took down a whole division of U$ Infantry who were trying to curtail his freedom.

Waldorf
Waldorf
Jun 27, 2020 12:11 PM
Reply to  Dr NG Maroudas

Certainly not dressed like that they wouldn’t. Then again Rambo is hardly a realistic figure.

Dr NG Maroudas
Dr NG Maroudas
Jun 27, 2020 2:49 PM
Reply to  Waldorf

Rambo is as realistic as mild mannered Clark Kent who turns into Superman; are tuned into our inner infant, the Id. Those old-style bobbies were dressed to represent a more adult stage of civilization in Britain than we experience today. With infantile regression currently rampant across the Western world, it is no surprise to see British police now dressing like characters in a Marvell schlock adventure movie.
 
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PS I am a great fan of Sylvester Stallone’s work. He reminds me of Homer and Shakespeare: on the one hand “giving the public what it wants” namely, macho action (in Homer), crude jingoism (in Shakespeare), plenty of schlock and horror in both; but on the other hand, an enigmatic reserve as to the author’s real opinion, and glimpses of gentler behaviour in the script.

Mishko
Mishko
Jun 28, 2020 11:12 AM
Reply to  Dr NG Maroudas

First Blood kicked ass in the sense that it did point to ptsd.
Pretty grim picture overall.

Dr NG Maroudas
Dr NG Maroudas
Jun 28, 2020 6:33 PM
Reply to  Mishko

Not so grim as Rambo’s bloody rumbust against the Commies. If I remember right, he killed only one person — and that person brought his doom on himself in a classic example of hubris. The analogy with Homer is again striking: the younger Homer, who wrote the ILIAD is full of war — like the younger Stallone; but the older Homer, who wrote the Odyssey, is full of the soldier’s longing for home — and the freeloaders who plot to take over his wife and his house while the soldier is away on service are victims of their own hubris.
 
Stallone added a telling postscript: Rambo is what _we_ as a society make of him: not a man but a tool; first sharpened up for an ideological killing spree, then discarded as being “no longer fit for _our_ purpose”.

Waldorf
Waldorf
Jun 29, 2020 8:59 AM
Reply to  Dr NG Maroudas

There have been many such. Vietnam vets who came home and found they were widely despised, including by those who sent them to Vietnam in the first place. After a temporary decline in guerrilla warfare in Turkey (mostly against Kurds) the Turkish state found it did not need so many psychos and cut them loose. One such came home to his wife, waited until she was asleep, then poured a vat of boiling water over her, killing her.

John Smith
John Smith
Jun 27, 2020 8:12 AM
Reply to  Moneycircus

Wow…

Those cheap 80s synths which every musician plastered on every song back then have not aged well have they.

Edwige
Edwige
Jun 27, 2020 10:19 AM
Reply to  Moneycircus

Mick Jones is Grant Shapps’ cousin.
 
Punk and new wave was a manufactured movement and The Clash were one of the most manufactured of the lot.

Moneycircus
Moneycircus
Jun 27, 2020 4:47 PM
Reply to  Edwige

Nice one, about Grant Shapps. Small crooked world.
The world of publishing (whether music, books or film) is far more controlled than most of us acknowledge. Yes it’s a small world but it’s not that bloody small.

Moneycircus
Moneycircus
Jun 27, 2020 6:47 PM
Reply to  Moneycircus

The Crooked Beat by The Clash – Shafty Boy’s version 🙂



 

Gezzah Potts
Gezzah Potts
Jun 27, 2020 7:38 AM
Reply to  tonyopmoc

Never heard of Chris Spivey until today, read a few of his articles earlier, and really like his style! He has no time for the Trump/Q bollocks, and neither do I. Amazes me (depresses?) how many on FB truly believe in… The Plan. Sigh.
Thanks Tony.

gordon
gordon
Jun 27, 2020 1:41 AM

millions of trees coming down
 
millions of 5g phased array israeli millitary crowd control cancer disease creating control device going up
 
no planning permission needed
 
nobody looking at the heavy metal blood plasma soup in the sky
 
nobody noticed these ugly tel aviv tech flat microwave panels
many put up when we where locked up
everyone looking down
at mobile phone
 
 
prison grid based on china city testing
 
russia,iran china all in lockstep
 
 
maybe we should all move to tel aviv as 5g has been banned in the home of this demon tech

livingsb
livingsb
Jun 27, 2020 1:01 AM

Rule of thumb: If a topic or person or opinion is getting positive press, it is most likely complete and utter bullshit or a very minor positive distraction. Anything getting destroyed in the MSM is against the “agenda”.

sharon marlowe
sharon marlowe
Jun 27, 2020 1:35 AM
Reply to  livingsb

The easiest rule of thumb is when Hollywood celebrities are rolled out like a red carpet for any political issue, then it’s bullshit;)

jess
jess
Jun 27, 2020 6:49 AM
Reply to  livingsb

that would be a dangerous way to evaluate things since if there was something good you would attack it and help keep the “main stream” in a destructive bubble.

Livingsb
Livingsb
Jun 27, 2020 7:37 AM
Reply to  jess

Exactly. The MSM keeps us in a repetitive destructive bubble.

jess
jess
Jun 27, 2020 9:41 AM
Reply to  Livingsb

if you call it main stream then the inference is everything else is fringe which i would mainntain is not desirable. i suspect that is why the term msm and others is so common. in anycase i position the mainstream dead centre on health as can be seen in popular music video like ariana grandes breathing. i like that it has lyric that people tell me to medicate but you tell me to just keep breathin.

Livingsb
Livingsb
Jun 27, 2020 3:19 PM
Reply to  jess

No clue what your saying, but if you are bringing an Ariana grande video into the conversation you obviously missed the point.

youngperson
youngperson
Jun 27, 2020 12:49 AM

bored
 
 
 

Dr NG Maroudas
Dr NG Maroudas
Jun 27, 2020 12:00 PM
Reply to  youngperson

So, find something to do! — Mum

Calamity Jane
Calamity Jane
Jun 27, 2020 12:47 AM

There has always been controlled opposition people just haven’t been aware of it.
Now the establishment are increasingly dependent on their ” left” and alternative blogs for mind control.
One should always fully question these left blogs as they do the right blogs and be very mindful not to just binge on the mind food in order to feed ego and ” say I know”whats going on in the world.

ginghiniagenie
ginghiniagenie
Jun 27, 2020 4:10 AM
Reply to  Calamity Jane

Including this one, and its commentariat.

Seamus Padraig
Seamus Padraig
Jun 27, 2020 12:39 PM
Reply to  Calamity Jane

For one thing, you should get beyond gate-keeper constructs like ‘right’ and ‘left’. In the New World Order, there will only be top and bottom.

tonyopmoc
tonyopmoc
Jun 27, 2020 12:32 AM

First Baby Steps out of this HORROR…
 
We did have a bit of a Garden Party last Sunday afternoon, but kept very quiet.
 
Only 2 adults turned up…We kind of kept our soclal distance. I only had two cold beers, but I never really thought they would turn up. Thank God I was Dressed, and completely sober…
 
My wife and I simply love ’em both to bits. We are not related, and he is dead shy but a completely brilliant guitarist and vocalist….probably not that famous yet, and he did not bring his guitar slung over his back and just quietly sing..I am sure the neighbours wouldn’t have noticed that much, and if they had, we would have invited them round…
 
One step at a time. No one really minds…so long as you keep your distance on the beach……???????
 
My wife is back from her friend’s garden party now. She walked her best friend – little girl – who gave her an Easter Egg, and said sorry it’s late, but I was trying to self isolate….back to The Train Station (these girls get on really well)…just the two of them…My wife walked the rest of the mile back home, alone in her pretty dress in South London..We are immigrants too. We come from Lancashire.
 
I think Brixton Academy is the Best Live Venue in London..
 
It is enormous – with a gradually sloping floor…so you can stand almost anywhere – even if you are little and dance, and still see the band.
 
My wife and I went to see MASSIVE ATTACK there, shortly after David Bowie had died…
 
The locals of Brixton had created the most Beautiful Artwork, we had ever seen after a gig.
 
Be Brave. Most people are nice, even if you have a got a bit of a suntan, and compare skins with your mate and laugh.##
 
And both of us got a hug.
 
Our friend comes from Lancashire too.
 
She is georgeous and kept on working for The NHS, when everyone else ran away.
 
The rest of you are excused.
 
Hopefully, you will get better.
 
The feedback was not that good, but they were all female..
 
She says not one hug.
 
I do not believe that.
 
I said if there is any live music on, text me, or phone me.
 
My walking stick is Ready.
 
We love where we live.
 
 
Tony

John Smith
John Smith
Jun 27, 2020 8:03 AM
Reply to  tonyopmoc

Hey Tony…

Us postmen never ran away either, mate

A good friend of mine who I have delivered to for 15 yrs died yesterday …

Never got the chance to say goodbye. Even though he was riddled with cancer, his daughters denied access to his many friends because of da virus.

I try and stay as positive as you about the future but tbh Its becoming impossible

However, your comments always put the smile back on my face

Love you man x

S Cooper
S Cooper
Jun 26, 2020 11:24 PM

One asks how many of those out in the street in Seattle were required to provide DNA samples or submit to eye recognition scans? One hopes not too many. Not too long ago all that was needed for such “a privilege” was “to smile for the friendly Gestapo camera(s).”
 
The downside of officially sanctioned and sponsored Disneyesque corporate fascist “protest/refusal” spectacles are that they divert from more effective activities that target specifically that or those which should be targeted. Which is the purpose of such spectacles.
 
Curious to see how long “Escape from Seattle” continues and how it plays out, to be used to best serve WE THE PEOPLE (ie humanity).

Edwige
Edwige
Jun 26, 2020 11:20 PM

From Black Lives Matter’s manifesto:
 
“We make space for transgender brothers and sisters to participate and lead.
We are self-reflexive and do the work required to dismantle cisgender privilege and uplift Black trans folk, especially Black trans women who continue to be disproportionately impacted by trans-antagonistic violence.
We build a space that affirms Black women and is free from sexism, misogyny, and environments in which men are centered….
We make our spaces family-friendly and enable parents to fully participate with their children. We dismantle the patriarchal practice that requires mothers to work “double shifts” so that they can mother in private even as they participate in public justice work.
We disrupt the Western-prescribed nuclear family structure requirement by supporting each other as extended families and “villages” that collectively care for one another, especially our children, to the degree that mothers, parents, and children are comfortable.
We foster a queer‐affirming network. When we gather, we do so with the intention of freeing ourselves from the tight grip of heteronormative thinking, or rather, the belief that all in the world are heterosexual (unless s/he or they disclose otherwise)”.
 
Black Lives Matter – but Black Fathers can evidently do one. The last half century that has seen the proportion of black children raised in single parent households has risen from 20% to 80% in the USA has been so wonderful they want more of it!
 
The dovetailing of these different agendas is one of the clearest signs these “movements” are co-ordinated and controlled.

Reg
Reg
Jun 27, 2020 1:30 AM
Reply to  Edwige

That manifesto excerpt makes my stomach heave

Moneycircus
Moneycircus
Jun 27, 2020 6:07 AM
Reply to  Edwige

If anyone reads that and does not immediately see its vengeful narcissism, I don’t know what to say.
 
Those Janus words cloak, dagger-like, their brutal message of emotion-not-reason. They drip resentment, secrete spite and eyeball-twisting nihilism – all dressed up in smarmy words competing to out-do one another in signalling virtue.
 
I lack words to describe it. This is not Marxism, which for all its faults, contained a broken idea. This has no primary idea, only sociopathic destruction. Built into its ratchet of unreason is the unstoppable production line of victims. A conveyor belt of gargoyles. Each is crowned ‘victim in chief’ for 15 minutes until the next one crashes onto the factory floor and knocks the head off its predecessor.
 
Words fail to describe what we witness. Transhuman is a sci-fi term and does not capture the base motives at play. Those who manipulate the trans movement do, however, have a very real motive in creating a new version of “universal rights no longer of man” and perhaps no longer of human. As for other terms, Political Correctness, we have been told, is no more than being polite. Grievance culture comes closest but it only describes the superficial murmur of relentless, metronomic complaint.
 
There is no word for this. Post-modernism has done its job well. Having deconstructed and disarmed the humanities, these brutes will not make the error of committing their thoughts to paper. They provide no text or manifesto for you to dissect. Power resides in the denial of words to other people.
 
Sadly it finds an echo in the people. Its first appeal is to the emotion of envy. Economists tested schadenfreude and found it to be ‘a thing’: many people would go without a pay rise in return for seeing another person’s pay reduced. Better to silence another than to speak yourself.
 
When people fear to discuss an idea, it goes out of circulation. Its place is taken by an alternative view that, strangely, is pushed in unison by Hollywood, the corporatist media and the regulated academic thought system.
 
Stella Morabito wrote that PC hacks the brain rather like drugs induce physical changes.

After observing the social hostility to your politically incorrect opinion you are supposed to start thinking of yourself as the crazy aunt locked up in the attic. So your only hope for relief is to “come out” and support the PC line. Once you do so (Meryl Streep’s Golden Globe lecture just gave Hollywood another lesson on how to do this) you can pat yourself on the back and simply mimic it.

Voila! You don’t need to do the hard work of thinking anymore. Instead, PC conditions your brain to respond to the good feeling of being praised, and to reject the bad feeling of being socially punished for saying the “wrong” thing. That’s your brain on PC.

 
Education has replaced a child’s capacity for reason with raw emotional reflexes. They are totally receptive to “collective belief formation”. Morabito’s article is a zinger. Worth a read!
 
“…independent thinking always stands in the way of the monolithic conformity necessary to grant power-mongers the raw power and status they crave.
 
https://thefederalist.com/2017/01/13/political-correctness-hijacked-trump-inauguration-protesters-brain

Cheezilla
Cheezilla
Jun 27, 2020 11:58 AM
Reply to  Moneycircus

I lack words to describe it. This is not Marxism, which for all its faults, contained a broken idea. This has no primary idea, only sociopathic destruction. Built into its ratchet of unreason is the unstoppable production line of victims. A conveyor belt of gargoyles. Each is crowned ‘victim in chief’ for 15 minutes until the next one crashes onto the factory floor and knocks the head off its predecessor.
 
That’s a pretty good start!
 

Cheezilla
Cheezilla
Jun 27, 2020 11:55 AM
Reply to  Edwige

Such a load of pretentious gobbledegook that I’d love to ask a bunch of protesters – whose frontal lobes are not yet fully-developed – to translate it all.

Seamus Padraig
Seamus Padraig
Jun 27, 2020 1:49 PM
Reply to  Edwige

BLM was founded by two Black lesbians, and it’s financed by the Democratic Party’s own donors. What do you expect?

Gary Weglarz
Gary Weglarz
Jun 26, 2020 10:54 PM

Jordan B. “freaking” Peterson!? Really? Ah yes. As a go-to reference no less. It’s not bad enough that his video lectures keep popping up unwanted and unsought whenever I visit Youtube (just a coincidence I’m sure – couldn’t be the algorithms), but now at OffG we have his true believers selling his stale old 1980’s Libertarian BS to a whole new generation of young people too clueless about their own history to even know better – sadly.
 
If there is a more odious pop-psychology/pop-philosophy figure peddling the underlying Western establishment narrative of – “hierarchies are natural” – “don’t protest just go clean your room” pop-psychology nonsense – to a new generation of young people – than Jordan B. “freaking” Peterson – I’m not sure who that would be.
 
There are plenty of actual “left” progressive observers of political correctness and State infiltration and the subsequent undermining of dissent to reference for analysis – if one was interested in a progressive rather than regressive analysis of these phenomena. The fact that this author finds Jordan Peterson to be an authoritative voice on anything meaningful – other than supporting the status quo of Western oligarchic domination of the entire freaking planet – suggests a wealth of carefully “unspoken” beliefs the author holds about power and authority.
 
(“As Peterson also points out – he has studied authoritarianism for a very long time – for 40 years – and they’re started by people’s attempts to control the ideological and linguistic territory.”) – This feels like a rather apt description of Jordan – “clean you room” – Peterson himself from everything of encountered of his shtick.
 
It’s quite possible (it’s been done here at OffG before) to clearly and legitimately critique ER, BLM, and identity politics in general and their connections to funding by big foundations and other established power centers, and of subsequent manipulation of their members by such forces. By the way – is Peterson’s Koch Brother’s funding not worth a mention? Is it somehow “different” than the funding from the Ford Foundation, for example?
 
A clear progressive analysis of oligarchic monies influencing popular movements hardly requires the likes of J.B. Peterson and his cult-like Libertarian followers peddling the same Libertarian nonsense that those of us old enough to remember were all forced to endure during the endless State and MSM propaganda barage throughout the 1980’s. So here we are in 2020 and in the immortal words of Yogi Berra – “it’s deja vu all over again.”
 
Just a side note – many of us here have also (“studied authoritarianism for a very long time,” and are clearly aware that the soil today is fertile, well watered and well prepared for the arrival of such “cult” figures and pied pipers as Peterson. Who is someone who simply fills a different “niche” than the other groups mentioned here. This one catering to spiritually and philosophically lost and disillusioned young white males. A group no less vulnerable to manipulation then the young people in BLM or ER I dare say.
 
And what rough beast, its hour come round at last, Slouches towards Bethlehem to be born?” – Yeats
 

sharon marlowe
sharon marlowe
Jun 26, 2020 11:18 PM
Reply to  Gary Weglarz

From what I read today about Mr. Peterson, he has apparently been able to get his male audience to clean their room. That’s impressive!:D

Gary Weglarz
Gary Weglarz
Jun 27, 2020 2:26 AM
Reply to  sharon marlowe

sharon – I’ll give Peterson his due as I was never really able to get my son to clean his room regularly as a teenager. 🙂

sharon marlowe
sharon marlowe
Jun 27, 2020 2:32 AM
Reply to  Gary Weglarz

😀

Borncynic
Borncynic
Jun 27, 2020 1:13 AM
Reply to  Gary Weglarz

So only those endorsed by so-called progressives can be referenced? That rather contradicts to point of the article. Just because you see yourself as left leaning doesn’t mean you are insusceptible to tribalism.

Your post is riddled with all the hallmarks of American style tribal dogmatism. One mention of a name associated with the other team and you instantly become blind to the context within which he is borrowed. Manic rant then ensues.

Goebbels and Mengle said some very insightful things. Would that make all that agree, Nazis?

Perhaps you should provide a list of acceptable names for referencing. That way you can ensure you are being exposed to open-minded, challenging reading at all times.

jess
jess
Jun 27, 2020 1:30 AM
Reply to  Gary Weglarz

he was on some medication and meat only diet. depression. not sure why anyone would think he had a clue. the meat cult is the main cause of problems in the first place.

ginghiniagenie
ginghiniagenie
Jun 27, 2020 3:10 AM
Reply to  jess

Why, oh why can’t my Cat be Vegan?

jess
jess
Jun 27, 2020 7:03 AM
Reply to  ginghiniagenie

did you try feeding your cat vegan? not that it has much bearing onhuman nutrition. i didnt even mention vegan. i mentioned the carnivore diet and the drugs that proably led to such a radical departure. i dont see it as support for meat as much as evidence against allopaths.

Cheezilla
Cheezilla
Jun 27, 2020 12:09 PM
Reply to  jess

Cats are obligate carnivores and cannot possibly be sustained by a vegan diet.

Dr NG Maroudas
Dr NG Maroudas
Jun 27, 2020 3:12 PM
Reply to  Cheezilla

Cheezilla, thanks for opening a fascinating new subject for political activism. From the agony column in Scientific American:
 
“… makers of completely vegetarian foods for cats, dogs and ferrets, says that its meatless offerings, on the market for 15 years, are healthy and nutritious, and, if anything, have extended the lives of many a feline and canine, even reversed chronic health problems. … its website posts testimonials from loyal customers who claim happy and long-lasting pets who look forward to their meals. …“Vegecat” kibble and supplements provide cats with nutrients otherwise only found in meat …
 
The vegetarian pet debate is a contentious one among vegetarian pet owners and veterinarians and is one not likely to go away anytime soon.”
 
https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/veggie-cat-food/

Cheezilla
Cheezilla
Jun 27, 2020 3:54 PM
Reply to  Dr NG Maroudas

I wonder how old these “life-extended” cats are when they die, given that catfood manufacturers declare them seniors when they’re only 7 years-old.
 
The oldest cat I’ve known was taken in as a stray kitten by some friends. The only suitable food in their house was a tin of sardines, after which he flatly refused to eat anything other than sardines. He lived very happily to 21.
 
My cats have all lived healthily into their late teens. The only time they ever ate vegetation was as an emetic to clear their stomach of fur.

Mishko
Mishko
Jun 28, 2020 11:21 AM
Reply to  Cheezilla

“Rolling the ball”, but not the Kate Bush version…

Dr NG Maroudas
Dr NG Maroudas
Jun 28, 2020 5:56 PM
Reply to  Cheezilla

Cheezilla,your long lived cat – a 3x “senior” in age – what an inspiring story. My family are Liberal Vegetarians (we eat fish) but some of us are Lapsed Vegans and suffer from a sense of sin. Hence this notion of converting our cats to a Vegan diet. But your cat has convinced me that Liberal Vegetarianism is the Way. Sardines are fish, Liberal Vegetarians eat fish, hence your cat’s longevity is testimony to a vegetarian diet.
 
 

Cheezilla
Cheezilla
Jun 28, 2020 6:05 PM
Reply to  Dr NG Maroudas

Dr Maroudas, cats are obligate carnivores. Their teeth, claws and predatory behaviour are testament to that and their digestive system confirms it.
 
They are not designed to eat plants and grains, anymore than cows and sheep are designed to eat meat.
 
Please feed your cat animal products, including fish if you like. It’s what they evolved to need and Nature has more wisdom than all of mankind.
 

Dr NG Maroudas
Dr NG Maroudas
Jun 28, 2020 6:47 PM
Reply to  Cheezilla

Right on, Cheezilla, vegetarian fish is the diet for cats. Even sardines or salmon if that’s what they prefer; after all, cats do not each much.
 
“A fish can’t be a vegetable, it has eyes”.
“So has a potato”.

Mishko
Mishko
Jun 28, 2020 11:19 AM
Reply to  Cheezilla

Have you tried forcing the catnip diet on your cat? =)

WorldParole
WorldParole
Jun 27, 2020 4:36 AM
Reply to  jess

They purposefully drugged him to knock him out politically. He is an iconoclast. The left won’t claim him because of his stance on gender and biology. The right won’t because he’s a Canadian psychologist. Unfortunately – he was a believer in anti-depressants (as he was probably brainwashed by American Psychiatric Association as per his practice). Luckily his daughter is looking after him now.

jess
jess
Jun 27, 2020 7:27 AM
Reply to  WorldParole

his daughter took a laundry list of medications so probably he did aswell. for me fruit makes me happy. even if i have a pizza it leaves a nasty taste of cheese for days. its quite different to how it would have tasted to me years ago. carni diet is an elimination diet like a grape diet but not likely to cure depression. in canada there is berries. if i get hold of a descent amount of berries it hits the spot real good.

Cheezilla
Cheezilla
Jun 27, 2020 12:12 PM
Reply to  jess

He had depression for years and eating only meat has helped him to recover.

ginghiniagenie
ginghiniagenie
Jun 27, 2020 3:25 AM
Reply to  Gary Weglarz

Funny and incisive comment, thank you.

I found myself agreeing with the thrust of the piece until the tedious, superficial, smug and bloviating JP was invoked as a philosophical deity.

This is a perceptive take on the Peterson phenomenon –

https://www.currentaffairs.org/2018/03/the-intellectual-we-deserve

Gary Weglarz
Gary Weglarz
Jun 27, 2020 5:10 AM
Reply to  ginghiniagenie

ginghiniagenie – Thanks loads for that link. A quite excellent look at Peterson’s thought, and at the rather disturbing connotations of his current celebrity status as some sort of intellectual phenomenon. No one quote from the article can do justice to the bizarre cacophony of Peterson’s thought, but for me this one pretty much sums up the actual depth and breadth of Jordan B. Peterson:
 
(“[Chaos is] what extends, eternally and without limit, beyond the boundaries of all states, all ideas, and all disciplines… It’s the foreigner, the stranger, the member of another gang, the rustle in the bushes… the hidden anger of your mother… Chaos is symbolically associated with the feminine… Order, by contrast, is explored territory. That’s the hundreds-of-millions-of-years-old hierarchy of place, position, and authority. That’s the structure of society. It’s the structure provided by biology, too…It’s the flag of the nation… It’s the greatness of tradition, the rows of desks in the school classroom, the trains that leave on time… In the domain of order, things behave as God intended.”)

WorldParole
WorldParole
Jun 27, 2020 4:14 AM
Reply to  Gary Weglarz

Haven’t read his books, have you…

Koba
Koba
Jun 27, 2020 5:54 AM
Reply to  WorldParole

Parole the man thinks communism has killed 500 million people minimum with zero evidence to back it up and all this despite the initial 100 million claim also being bullshit

Gary Weglarz
Gary Weglarz
Jun 28, 2020 2:23 AM
Reply to  Koba

Koba – while at the same time Peterson maintains a rather glaring blind spot for past colonial and current neocolonial carnage, mayhem and literal genocide. Even at my age (68 years old) as I continue to read and educate myself about the colonial era I’m stunned and sickened by what remains hidden in the shadows and is never discussed in “polite society” – read “MSM” and in our Western educational institutions.

The book: “Late Victorian Holocausts: El Niño Famines and the Making of the Third World” by Mike Davis documents the many tens upon tens of millions who died in India, China, the Phillipines, Brazil, and other places in the late19th century and into the 20th century during droughts – all under rule of the various colonial powers. Needless death that occurred primarily in order to maintain the profitability of grain “markets” and justified under the rubric of “free trade.” Tens of millions of deaths and suffering on a literally unimaginable scale all while grain from these nations and even from areas of of the worst mass starvations was shipped elsewhere for colonial profit.
Strange how effectively Orwell’s “memory hole” has completely swallowed all of these victims – and in the process we in the West have throughly forgotten that the “free market” was the colonial justification for their needless suffering and the deaths of many tens of millions. 
 

Gypsy Wendy
Gypsy Wendy
Jun 26, 2020 10:50 PM

Do we cheer here, the right wing neoliberal wing of the Labour party using fake accusations of antisemitism against individuals to purge the real left in the Labour party?

Waldorf
Waldorf
Jun 27, 2020 6:52 AM
Reply to  Gypsy Wendy

Of course not. Starmer is fixing to be Blair II which is an appalling role model as Blair I is an unindicted war criminal.

Howard
Howard
Jun 26, 2020 10:26 PM

I have a problem applauding the notion that nature and its planetary appurtenances are calling all the shots while we poor deluded self-important but ultimately impotent humans prance about imagining we’re driving natural cycles.
 
You can say all you like that “we” do not have the wherewithal to raise the Earth’s temperature one nano-degree – that only the interplay of natural elements and cycles have this capacity; but to say that you must first ignore the massive releases of methane from melting hydrates and clathrates, which are themselves caused by increasing CO2 in the atmosphere.
 
And, further, you must ignore the heating and acidification of the oceans, which kills plankton and promotes algae. Then ignore the ongoing radioactive leak from Fukushima into the Pacific Ocean. And the melting glaciers and loss of Arctic Ice. which permit heat to be retained.
 
Just because the Soros’s and Gates’s and Rockefellers of the world have taken over the environmental movement and are using it for their own ends does not make the climate crisis any less real. Nor does it mean they are the least concerned with what’s happening around the world – the wildfires in Siberia, Australia and elsewhere, or the endless parade of record temperatures. All it means is that whenever there’s a disaster brewing, the slime crawls out from under rocks and from out the woodwork to try and manipulate the disaster.

Captain Birdheart
Captain Birdheart
Jun 26, 2020 11:15 PM
Reply to  Howard

Yes, I have a problem also, with belief.
 
I thought man-made climate change was fact. No, it’s a belief.
 
However, only time will tell, (if you believe in time !).
 
Off course, the early environmental movement, cut pollution from toxic waste, was part of the cause of this plandemic.
 
Seems certain to me, there is a long-planned agenda now, but like another poster said what, if anything, we can do about it.
 
Anyway, maybe another false flag, eg. (dam-break in China ?) will divert the masses…

Howard
Howard
Jun 27, 2020 3:06 PM

Man made climate change is neither a fact nor a belief – it’s a hypothesis based on the available evidence. It hasn’t reached the level of theory just yet – for that to happen, it would have to be able to be repeated. And that would take another planet plus thousands of years of evolution.

Borncynic
Borncynic
Jun 27, 2020 1:36 AM
Reply to  Howard

Though you’re quite right, I read it more as a form of mockery towards the Greta cult.

Howard
Howard
Jun 27, 2020 3:09 PM
Reply to  Borncynic

I would like to think that – because, yes, it could well be the death of the environmental movement to associate it with any one person. It’s ever so much easier to corrupt a single person than an entire movement. And no doubt that is the job of the Soros’s and Gates’s of this world.

breweriana
breweriana
Jun 27, 2020 2:38 AM
Reply to  Howard

Spot on.

Moneycircus
Moneycircus
Jun 26, 2020 10:12 PM

Contrast the police’s use of kid gloves on Extinction Rebellion with what they did to the UK miners and the Poll Tax protestors.
 
There are several documentaries with a similar name – making it hard to find this one: this is the one you want as it looks at police tactics and argues that they deliberately turned a demonstration into a riot, thereby criminalizing democratic protest.
 
The criminalizing of democratic protest — London Poll Tax Riot Documentary 1990 – The Battle of Trafalgar https://www.dailymotion.com/video/x2eg636

Gwyn
Gwyn
Jun 27, 2020 11:26 AM
Reply to  Moneycircus

No squaddies dressed as Plod at Extinction Rebellion gatherings, then.

Waldorf
Waldorf
Jun 27, 2020 12:13 PM
Reply to  Gwyn

No, but the long red dresses serve to hide the hobnailed boots – Sir Harry Snapperorgans of Q Division said, “The ‘old ‘elmet and boots is a bit of a giveaway.”

Gwyn
Gwyn
Jun 27, 2020 12:57 PM
Reply to  Waldorf

Life must have seemed a bit anticlimactic for Sir Harry after his success in putting the Piranha brothers away for so long…

hope
hope
Jun 26, 2020 10:09 PM

Well, you have to give the real policy makers credit for intelligence compared to that of most of the population. Its brilliant: distorting Gandhi’s non-violence as a political arm into the method used in controlled dissidence, working to uphold the official dogma and powers.
Coopting people’s deep dissatisfaction with life in current societies. But then how would people understand? Everyone today can publish a book, an article, everyone has a website, a blog. So drown the real quality in the mass of amorphous mediocrity! Far more brilliant than having censorship! Could a Tolstoy, who in his days was looked up by the masses as the moral voice of the world, or even a Gandhi arise today? Their voice would be drowned. And unless people have access to the best analysis and the worthwhile voices then how are they to understand whats going on? How are they to discern what is worth it from what is not?!
 
With covid we’ve seen where this is leading to and how gullible the majority is.
Now even those who reacted to the extreme lockdown measure have disappeared in the summer sunset except possibly in some countries like UK, US, and Germany…
In the country I live in, the only person that took a position and gave a voice to those trying to
bring out the truth told me: I dont believe that any government wants to make its people unemployed”, I dont believe there is any concerted plan for a global dictatorship”, so basically now where I live there is no place where you could even get to know whats really going on: I know more what is going on in the above 3 countries.
On occasion, Ive almost felt like wishing for extreme measures back to make people react.
For whatever reasons, they needed this once in a lifetime extreme measure to enable certain
policies which they couldnt have done otherwise, and also get rid of all opposition (its indeed interesting that all those movements of discontent have died down), and now its going to be
far more insidious, and before people realise, they’d have been socially engineered to be non-human, already the scene is set: masks, social distancing, online life instead of real life,
tracking… Is anyone complaining because none of the usual activities are available in the usual way? Is anyone complaining about having to wear masks, social distance, and working online? Are there any protests about this? No! Everyone is complying…
And this person who did offer a space to other voices told me there is nothing we can do, none of this will happen, there’s no such agenda anyhow, and does not even want to discuss
any of this anymore, and advised me to stop thinking about it, and return to my usual life:
As I said what life are you talking about? My best friend died because the emergency services did not wish to come as he was not a covid case, I could not go to his funeral and be with his family because I live in a different country, I cant go and be with colleagues and friends as they’re all abroad, all my work events have been cancelled. There is no concert, no theatre, no ballet. You have to wear a mask on public transports, so you’re stuck to walking distance if you refuse and dont have a car. Indeed what life I wonder he was talking about?

Ted
Ted
Jun 27, 2020 12:57 AM
Reply to  hope

Hope, I was just thinking about this as I was driving home from the office a while ago. Had an exchange with a colleague (apparently I work on a rebellious floor as we are the only 3 or 4 from the whole building who go into the offices to do some writing) who stated that he prefers the “experts decide” as he does not want to bother. I suggested that allowing experts to debate on public fora was better for democracy. But he countered that it isn’t like that now, so why change? And so, there it is, technocratic authoritarianism as a default.
 
Why, I wondered, is it so easy for well-educated people to fall into line with the technocratic diktats of idiotic bureaucrats?
 
Then it occurred to me that a century of cartoonish portrayals of “evil dictators”, from Mussolini to Mao, has lead people to think of authoritarianism in similarly cartoonish and childish ways. They don’t know that it was the crushing machinery of bureaucracy that has been captured by corporations and oligarchs that makes authoritarian states capable of so much destruction. The don’t know it was just as much Eichmann and German (and American!) corporate leaders as Hitler that made the National Socialists so destructive.
 
It took a decade and a half and a devastating war for most German citizens at the time to come to their senses. This thing is going to take a while to unwind as well.

Gwyn
Gwyn
Jun 27, 2020 11:31 AM
Reply to  Ted

technocratic diktats of idiotic bureaucrats…
 
Ted, you are a poet. Did you know it?

Waldorf
Waldorf
Jun 27, 2020 6:54 AM
Reply to  hope

I don’t know about Tolstoy but Gandhi was controlled opposition par excellence – the British preferred him to considerably more radical (and violent) alternatives, such as for example Bhagat Singh.

John Ervin
John Ervin
Jun 27, 2020 9:47 PM
Reply to  Waldorf

Gandhi wasn’t any less violent than MLK, yet his government feared him enough to blow him up, as William Pepper got a jury to find in Memphis ’99.

The reason was clear: King, who was the local avatar of Gandhi, was about to lead an Occupy event in D.C. as the 5th anniversary of the 1963 March on Washington.

Only this time they were planning to stay, much like the Sans Culottes stayed in 1789 Paris.

And “Uncle Sam” (MIC) had concerns that it would have the same result: enough unrest as to provoke a change of governments.

So, I don’t see how that adds up to “controlled opposition” with the suggestion that both their radical lack of violence made them more controllable.

Both were assassinated.

Waldorf
Waldorf
Jun 29, 2020 9:12 AM
Reply to  John Ervin

MLK was a threat to established interests. Gandhi – nah. I very much doubt whether there was a British controlling hand behind the assassination – his conciliatory attitude to Muslims enraged many Hindus at a time of massive communal violence in which many Hindus were being killed, as well as Sikhs and Muslims, and the politics of the group that killed him anticipated those of the BJP of today.
Gandhi praised Holy Poverty while spinning his loom on the grass of Birla House, owned by one of the wealthiest families in India. A genuinely poor beggar would have been chased off. Gandhi was ideologically useful. Mother Teresa resembled him in lots of ways though she was even worse. Indian socialists and communists saw through the fraud of Gandhi, and George Orwell could spot what might be called his contradictions.
I am not an admirer of Gandhi.

Gezzah Potts
Gezzah Potts
Jun 26, 2020 10:01 PM

One of my rules of thumb in figuring out who is genuine and who is fake is too look at who is being feted and praised by the MSM presstitutes, and who is being ignored.
Two examples: the Gilets Jaunes in France and Extinction Rebellion. And, we can add the Hong Kong protests as well. Note the huge contrast in media coverage.
Simple question: why would Billionaires and large Foundations whose wealth is derived from Capitalist system itself be backing so called ‘activist groups’? Avaaz, MoveOn, Change, 350 dot org, GetUp here in Australia, there’s a long list of these groups.
Everyone knows about Soros by now along with mega Foundations like Rockefeller, Ford, Bill & Melinda Gates, however thru this article, had no idea the Clinton’s had “invested” in Antifa as well.
Why does this not surprise me one bit?

hope
hope
Jun 26, 2020 10:19 PM
Reply to  Gezzah Potts

Problem with the gilet jaune: they may not be fake, but they’re ineffective. They did nothing against the lockdown, they are now doing nothing. It appears to be more just a self-serving movement to ensure special pension standards for certain professions.

Gezzah Potts
Gezzah Potts
Jun 26, 2020 10:47 PM
Reply to  hope

I mentioned them because they were the most obvious example of a group that had been blatantly ignored by the MSM.
They were out protesting during the lockdown tho as Rob posted videos of protests in Toulouse (and elsewhere).
Admittedly I have no idea of the current situation in France. I also thought that they were more opposed to Neoliberalism in general, rather than them being about pensions, but again, I’m not in France and I don’t know the current situation.
I hope your weekend is good, and you can get out to a park or a patisserie.

hope
hope
Jun 27, 2020 4:27 AM
Reply to  Gezzah Potts

That was in a small provincial town, nowhere else and peopke who didnt like any of the covid measures were higjly disappointed by their absence, by heir in effect accepting the covid narrative.

Willem
Willem
Jun 26, 2020 10:00 PM

Today I was once more asked by Y if I could help with making it more clear that Covid19 causes venous thromboembolism, to which I replied that I was a conscientious objector for all Covid research that somehow assumes that it is a terrible disease and not an artefact mainly caused by overanxious doctors willing to make a diagnose (with faulty testing) after which they start a wrong treatment. Which Y thought was amusing (me being a conscientious objector) after which we let the subject rest.

Well, that is good I think. Let them think that I am a strange bird in a flock. That at least is a quantification of someone who dissents. They may find it amusing for now, but time will come that they see my point was not so strange after all. And since it came from me (a person who they don’t have to fear at all) it may be easier for them to make a volte face at some point and agree with my way of thinking.

Not that Y is that far yet. After we talked about Covid19, Y talked about that other threat that we face today: global warming. To which I was completely silent after which we talked about things that are not reported in the media (my normal research projects) to which Y was remarkably good in having a skeptical conversation with thoughts that were really her own.

The way people like Y are brainwashed by years on end of relentless propaganda culminating in mindlessly repeating the official talking points, is quite disturbing and tragic at the same time.

livingsb
livingsb
Jun 27, 2020 1:03 AM
Reply to  Willem

There are certain people that can be reasoned with. Some are not worth going past the weather in conversation.

Aldous Hexley
Aldous Hexley
Jun 26, 2020 9:56 PM

 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AzCOr9wYuWg
 
Tucker Carlson with Mark Stein.
 
“March of the morons” and other bon mots. Funny!

Moneycircus
Moneycircus
Jun 26, 2020 9:54 PM

Alternative view. Veteran NJ organizer Larry Hamm on building a movement.
The Grayzone’s Pushback with Aaron Maté

ame
ame
Jun 26, 2020 9:52 PM

Dustin your stuck in the mental you can not see it
YOur memorys are ssssssooooooooooooooooooooo bad
 

 

ame
ame
Jun 26, 2020 9:53 PM
Reply to  ame

@ 40 second onwards

tonyopmoc
tonyopmoc
Jun 26, 2020 9:32 PM

Extension Rebellion were always an extremely highly paid small fake organisation by the same people who are highly connected to the now deceased Maurice Strong and The Green Agenda…

Almost none of it is green and got almost nothing to do with ecology.

Basically, they think us human beings are the virus, and they are trying their best to kill us off.

I have no idea how to stop them.

Tony

tonyopmoc
tonyopmoc
Jun 26, 2020 9:48 PM
Reply to  tonyopmoc

“The common enemy of humanity is man.
In searching for a new enemy to unite us, we came up
with the idea that pollution, the threat of global warming,
water shortages, famine and the like would fit the bill. All these
dangers are caused by human intervention, and it is only through
changed attitudes and behavior that they can be overcome.
The real enemy then, is humanity itself.”
– Club of Rome,
premier environmental think-tank,
consultants to the United Nations

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“We need to get some broad based support,
to capture the public’s imagination…
So we have to offer up scary scenarios,
make simplified, dramatic statements
and make little mention of any doubts…
Each of us has to decide what the right balance
is between being effective and being honest.”
– Prof. Stephen Schneider,
Stanford Professor of Climatology,
lead author of many IPCC reports

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

“We’ve got to ride this global warming issue.
Even if the theory of global warming is wrong,
we will be doing the right thing in terms of
economic and environmental policy.”
– Timothy Wirth,
President of the UN Foundation

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

“No matter if the science of global warming is all phony…
climate change provides the greatest opportunity to
bring about justice and equality in the world.”
– Christine Stewart,
former Canadian Minister of the Environment

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

“The data doesn’t matter. We’re not basing our recommendations
on the data. We’re basing them on the climate models.”
– Prof. Chris Folland,
Hadley Centre for Climate Prediction and Research

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

“The models are convenient fictions
that provide something very useful.”
– Dr David Frame,
climate modeler, Oxford University

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

“I believe it is appropriate to have an ‘over-representation’ of the facts
on how dangerous it is, as a predicate for opening up the audience.”
– Al Gore,
Climate Change activist

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

“It doesn’t matter what is true,
it only matters what people believe is true.”
– Paul Watson,
co-founder of Greenpeace

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

“The only way to get our society to truly change is to
frighten people with the possibility of a catastrophe.”
– emeritus professor Daniel Botkin

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

“The climate crisis is not a political issue, it is a moral and
spiritual challenge to all of humanity. It is also our greatest
opportunity to lift Global Consciousness to a higher level.”
– Al Gore,
Nobel Peace Prize acceptance speech

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

“We are on the verge of a global transformation.
All we need is the right major crisis…”
– David Rockefeller,
Club of Rome executive member

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

“Humanity is sitting on a time bomb. If the vast majority of the
world’s scientists are right, we have just ten years to avert a
major catastrophe that could send our entire planet’s climate system
into a tail-spin of epic destruction involving extreme weather, floods,
droughts, epidemics and killer heat waves beyond anything we have
ever experienced – a catastrophe of our own making.”
– Al Gore,
An Inconvenient Truth

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

“We are getting close to catastrophic tipping points,
despite the fact that most people barely notice the warming yet.”
– Dr James Hansen,
NASA researcher

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

“By the end of this century climate change will reduce the human
population to a few breeding pairs surviving near the Arctic.”
– Sir James Lovelock,
Revenge of Gaia

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

“Climate Change will result in a catastrophic global sea level
rise of seven meters. That’s bye-bye most of Bangladesh,
Netherlands, Florida and would make London the new Atlantis.”
– Greenpeace International

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

“This planet is on course for a catastrophe.
The existence of Life itself is at stake.”
– Dr Tim Flannery,
Principal Research Scientist

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

“Coal makes us sick. Oil makes us sick. It’s global warming.
It’s ruining our country. It’s ruining our world.”
– Harry Reid,
U.S. Senate majority leader

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

“Climate Change is the greatest threat that
human civilization has ever faced.”
– Angela Merkel,
German Chancellor

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

“Climate change is real. Not only is it real, it’s here,
and its effects are giving rise to a frighteningly new
global phenomenon: the man-made natural disaster.”
– Barack Obama,
US President

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

“We simply must do everything we can in our power to
slow down global warming before it is too late.”
– Arnold Schwarzenegger,
Governor of California

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

“Climate change should be seen as the
greatest challenge to ever face mankind.”
– Prince Charles

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

“Climate change makes us all global citizens,
we are truly all in this together.”
– Gordon Brown,
British Prime Minister

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

“We have reached the critical moment of decision on climate change.
Failure to act to now would be deeply and unforgivably irresponsible.
We urgently require a global environmental revolution.”
– Tony Blair,
former British PM

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

“We are close to a time when all of humankind
will envision a global agenda that encompasses
a kind of Global Marshall Plan to address the
causes of poverty and suffering and
environmental destruction all over the earth.”
– Al Gore,
Earth in the Balance

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

“In Nature organic growth proceeds according
to a Master Plan, a Blueprint. Such a ‘master plan’ is
missing from the process of growth and development of
the world system. Now is the time to draw up a master plan for
sustainable growth and world development based on global
allocation of all resources and a new global economic system.
Ten or twenty years form today it will probably be too late.”
– Club of Rome,
Mankind at the Turning Point

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

“We need a new paradigm of development in
which the environment will be a priority.
World civilization as we know it will soon end.
We have very little time and we must act.
If we can address the environmental problem,
it will have to be done within a new system, a
new paradigm. We have to change our mindset,
the way humankind views the world.”
– Mikhail Gorbachev,
founder of Green Cross International

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

“The concept of national sovereignty has been immutable,
indeed a sacred principle of international relations.
It is a principle which will yield only slowly and reluctantly to
the new imperatives of global environmental cooperation.”
– UN Commission on Global Governance report

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

“Democracy is not a panacea. It cannot organize everything and
it is unaware of its own limits. These facts must be faced squarely.
Sacrilegious though this may sound, democracy is no longer well
suited for the tasks ahead. The complexity and the technical nature
of many of today’s problems do not always allow elected
representatives to make competent decisions at the right time.”
– Club of Rome,
The First Global Revolution

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

“The emerging ‘environmentalization’ of our civilization
and the need for vigorous action in the interest of the entire global
community will inevitably have multiple political consequences.
Perhaps the most important of them will be a gradual change
in the status of the United Nations. Inevitably, it must
assume some aspects of a world government.”
– Mikhail Gorbachev,
State of the World Forum

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

“I envisage the prinicles of the Earth Charter to
be a new form of the ten commandments.
They lay the foundation for a sustainable
global earth community.”
– Mikhail Gorbachev,
co-author of The Earth Charter

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

“In my view, after fifty years of service in the United Nations system,
I perceive the utmost urgency and absolute necessity for proper
Earth government. There is no shadow of a doubt that the present
political and economic systems are no longer appropriate
and will lead to the end of life evolution on this planet.
We must therefore absolutely and urgently look for new ways.”
– Dr Robert Muller,
UN Assistant Secretary General,

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

“Nations are in effect ceding portions of their sovereignty
to the international community and beginning to create a
new system of international environmental governance
as a means of solving otherwise unmanageable crises.”
– Lester Brown,
WorldWatch Institute

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

“Regionalism must precede globalism.
We foresee a seamless system of governance from
local communities, individual states, regional unions
and up through to the United Nations itself.”
– UN Commission on Global Governance

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

“A keen and anxious awareness is evolving to suggest that
fundamental changes will have to take place in the world order
and its power structures, in the distribution of wealth and income.
Perhaps only a new and enlightened humanism
can permit mankind to negotiate this transition.”
– Club of Rome,
Mankind at the Turning Point

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

“The alternative to the existing world order can only
emerge as a result of a new human dimension of progress.
We envision a revolution of the mind, a new way of thinking.”
– Mikhail Gorbachev,
State of the World Forum

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

“We require a central organizing principle – one agreed to voluntarily.
Minor shifts in policy, moderate improvement in laws and regulations,
rhetoric offered in lieu of genuine change – these are all forms of
appeasement, designed to satisfy the public’s desire to believe that
sacrifice, struggle and a wrenching transformation
of society will not be necessary.”
– Al Gore,
Earth in the Balance

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

“Adopting a central organizing principle…
means embarking on an all-out effort to use every
policy and program, every law and institution…
to halt the destruction of the environment.”
– Al Gore,
Earth in the Balance

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

“Effective execution of Agenda 21 will require a profound
reorientation of all human society, unlike anything the world
has ever experienced a major shift in the priorities of both
governments and individuals and an unprecedented

Borncynic
Borncynic
Jun 26, 2020 10:01 PM
Reply to  tonyopmoc

Less is definitely more.

Captain Birdheart
Captain Birdheart
Jun 26, 2020 10:10 PM
Reply to  Borncynic

Not in your case.

Willem
Willem
Jun 26, 2020 10:10 PM
Reply to  tonyopmoc

‘Rationality belongs to the cool observer, but because of the stupidity of the average man, he follows not reason, but faith, and the naive faith requires necessary illusion and emotionally potent oversimplifications which are provided by the myth-maker to keep ordinary persons on course.‘

Reinhold Niebuhr

John Ervin
John Ervin
Jun 27, 2020 12:28 AM
Reply to  Willem

2 more à propos to the near Niebuhr:

“Self-righteousness is the inevitable fruit of simple moral judgments.”

“One of the most pathetic aspects of human history is that every civilization expresses itself most pretentiously, compounds its partial and universal values most convincingly, and claims immortality for its finite existence at the very moment when the decay which leads to death has already begun.

~~Reinhold Niebuhr

Howard
Howard
Jun 26, 2020 10:38 PM
Reply to  tonyopmoc

All these people you name, to quote Bob Dylan, “yes I know them they’re quite lame.” They all Talk The Talk; but none of them Walk The Walk. All they’re doing is paying lip service to something which is demonstrably happening. I recommend Dane Wigington’s website geoengineeringwatch.org for a celebrity and academic free analysis of the climate crisis.
 
You will not find these arse holders you listed in Mr Wigington’s camp. Why? Because he’s sincere about the climate crisis; they are not. If they were, they would seeking his advice; instead, they ignore him entirely. That doesn’t make him right; but it definitely makes them hypocrites.

RobG
RobG
Jun 26, 2020 10:03 PM
Reply to  tonyopmoc

Tony, don’t lose the faith. Believe me, we will beat them (although it’s not going to be an easy battle).
 
All you need is love (or something like that)…
 

hope
hope
Jun 26, 2020 10:30 PM
Reply to  RobG

I believe you because thats always been the case, but if one tries to analyse it then its mind-boggling how a tiny minority of people who keep up the light of humanity can without any veritable means manage to stop destructive forces, at least for a while. Problem is there are martyrs in the process. So this tiny minority has to be courageous, very courageous… How many of us have that courage? We who have left much of our lives in relative comfort, and only at worst had to risk a career for our opinions? How far will we be tested? If you consider some of the worst periods in history, you do wonder if it came to that, especially in the West that really has had for some generations an easy life, how many would indeed rise to the occasion?

hope
hope
Jun 26, 2020 10:31 PM
Reply to  hope

I meant “we who have lived…”

RobG
RobG
Jun 26, 2020 10:54 PM
Reply to  hope

hope, someone like me would say that we are at a turning point in history; something never seen before.
 
I make no judgements on how people react to this.
 
I would just say that people should look at their conscience and get on the correct side of history.

Captain Birdheart
Captain Birdheart
Jun 26, 2020 9:27 PM

Great article, bringing these plans, which OffGuardian has mostly been highlighting separately, together.
 
The ‘great reset’ is on.The ‘green’ fascists think this is a good thing. And they have the numbers and the power.
 
But they don’t seem to realize that they are not part of the ‘final solution’. Weird.

sharon marlowe
sharon marlowe
Jun 26, 2020 9:22 PM

Jordan Peterson?? He’s a right-winger, isn’t he?

Borncynic
Borncynic
Jun 26, 2020 9:59 PM
Reply to  sharon marlowe

You’d have to define ‘right-winger’ first.

Aside, I don’t think he ever discusses his politics.

sharon marlowe
sharon marlowe
Jun 26, 2020 10:15 PM
Reply to  Borncynic

Right wingers are colonialists, imperialists, and globalists. Right wingers support status quo and upper-class rule
Left wingers are insurrectionists and revolutionaries. Left wingers agitate against status quo and support the workers.
 
Does that help you?

Borncynic
Borncynic
Jun 26, 2020 10:58 PM
Reply to  sharon marlowe

I haven’t come across anything Jordan Peterson has said that would put him in that category so described. I could be wrong and shall happily be corrected.

I would also add, with the general exception of supporting workers, that your definitions could be used interchangeably to describe left or right leaning politics depending on which version of history one prefers on any given topic.

The ultimate irony here is that on the back of an article condemning baseless, binary bear pitting, the one thing you pick out is reference to an individual condemned by the faux left as a right wing lunatic. That’s fairly telling.

sharon marlowe
sharon marlowe
Jun 26, 2020 11:13 PM
Reply to  Borncynic

I don’t know what my complaint is “telling” you? I believe OffGuardian should try to feature leftist thinkers–my personal hope.
And no, left and right are not interchangeable. The right wing world of war, bigotry, and greed is what I was born into and wish to change. That is the status quo.

Borncynic
Borncynic
Jun 27, 2020 12:30 AM
Reply to  sharon marlowe

You still can’t explain why Peterson is right wing in your view. Neither did Off-G feature him. He was referenced in the article.

I said the definitions of left and right are interchangeable, not the terms themselves Read before you commit to type.

sharon marlowe
sharon marlowe
Jun 27, 2020 1:10 AM
Reply to  Borncynic

“You still can’t explain why Peterson is right wing in your view.”
-I thought he was a right winger from what I’ve heard. I wasn’t sure. After reading a bit about him today, he’s been called a “globalist”, and a “conservative”. He debates with leftists, so he’s probably a status quo right winger. You were wrong about saying he never discusses his politics.
 
“Neither did Off-G feature him. He was referenced in the article.”
-Peterson was featured in the thoughts of the author of this article.
 
“I said the definitions of left and right are interchangeable, not the terms themselves”
-The definitions I gave you are not interchangeable.
 
“Read before you commit to type.”
Fuck off
 
 

Borncynic
Borncynic
Jun 27, 2020 1:31 AM
Reply to  sharon marlowe

You still can’t explain why you think he is right wing apart from regurgitating what others say. You could consider doing your own thinking.

Insurrection and revolution are only tools of the left? That’s not interchangeable? You haven’t noticed even a slight use of these tactics by the right over, say, the last 3 months? Is there not a chance that’s what this very article is about?

sharon marlowe
sharon marlowe
Jun 27, 2020 1:45 AM
Reply to  Borncynic

You could consider writing something with any thought whatsoever in it. Insurrection against the imperialist State. Revolution against the imperialist State. Are you four years old? Is that why it’s so difficult for you to comprehend, Bornyesterday?

Borncynic
Borncynic
Jun 27, 2020 2:02 AM
Reply to  sharon marlowe

I take it you don’t intend to address the points raised and would rather confect previous posts in no particular order. I’ll leave it there.

sharon marlowe
sharon marlowe
Jun 27, 2020 2:09 AM
Reply to  Borncynic

You haven’t made any points, so yeah, let us leave this ridiculous discussion. Next time you pop up to say nothing, I’ll remember this and save us both some time;)

Arsebiscuits
Arsebiscuits
Jun 26, 2020 10:31 PM
Reply to  sharon marlowe

A what?

breweriana
breweriana
Jun 27, 2020 2:56 AM
Reply to  sharon marlowe

Jordan Peterson
He sounds like another ‘intellectual’ c**t.

WorldParole
WorldParole
Jun 27, 2020 4:16 AM
Reply to  sharon marlowe

He’s a Canadian academic. He isn’t “right wing.”

sharon marlowe
sharon marlowe
Jun 27, 2020 10:05 AM
Reply to  WorldParole

Are you implying that Canadian academics can’t be right wingers?

WorldParole
WorldParole
Jun 27, 2020 5:15 PM
Reply to  sharon marlowe

If right wing means articulating criticism for post-modernism and soviet gulags, then I guess he must be some type of extremist.
 
He also has some very interesting perspectives on mythology.
 
What I’m getting at here is that he is not a politician. He is a practicing scientist who’s ideas get branded in a political umbrella. Unfortunately, due to PC culture, innocuous statements are now right-wing heresy.
 
https://www.jordanbpeterson.com/maps-of-meaning/
 
 

WorldParole
WorldParole
Jun 27, 2020 5:39 PM
Reply to  WorldParole

WorldParole
WorldParole
Jun 27, 2020 6:22 PM
Reply to  WorldParole

25:00 – Exactly. Group identity. This interview was 2018. This is arguably a prediction of the tyranny that we see with democratic governors, weaponized healthcare, technocratic overreach, Antifa / BLM indoctrination (BLM is mostly white), and neomarxist segue into Soviet oppression seeded by universities, LGBTQ, PC culture, and feminism.

sharon marlowe
sharon marlowe
Jun 27, 2020 9:47 PM
Reply to  WorldParole

I see. Does he have something to say about capitalism, republican governors and U.S. gulags? In my view, the right wing attack on feminism in general is absurd. I think you made it clear that he’s a right winger–probably a neo-liberal. Thanks, WorldParole:)

Waldorf
Waldorf
Jun 27, 2020 6:58 AM
Reply to  sharon marlowe

Certainly. I also think he is into social control in a big way, promoting religion, not because he actually believes in any religious dogma but because it is good for social control.

Borncynic
Borncynic
Jun 26, 2020 9:16 PM

As said below, some very good phraseology used to articulate compound issues in a simple manner. This is the very type of article that I occasionally commend to others in an effort to open their minds to Off-G type thinking; usually resulting in abject failure, for many of the reasons described by Dustin.

Einstein
Einstein
Jun 26, 2020 8:16 PM

“Co-opting activism” is actually a euphemism for licensing fanaticism:
https://www.zerohedge.com/political/students-are-demanding-professor-be-fired-opposing-slavery

John Ervin
John Ervin
Jun 26, 2020 9:16 PM
Reply to  Einstein

More like “Greasing the rails of the Fascismo corporate bullet 🚆 train.”

Moneycircus
Moneycircus
Jun 26, 2020 7:44 PM

UK PM’s chief political adviser Dominic Cummings could be sensing victory in his bid to centralize power around a small coterie of people – less than 10, according to his own words.
 
Cummings has survived the row over his northern trip (which I believe was a fake row and a cover story for a meeting at GSK’s injectables factory in Durham). We still don’t know who revealed Cummings’ trip or why but according to the FT’s story, Mark Sedwill would have the motive.  Civil service chief’s future in doubt as Boris Johnson eyes Whitehall shake-up – FT Jun 25, 2020

Although Mr Cummings is the prime minister’s most influential political adviser, Sir Mark holds a highly powerful position at the heart of the British state. Not only does he head the UK’s impartial civil service, he is also the prime minister’s national security adviser. The two roles, uniquely, were combined under him.

This week, senior government officials have told the Financial Times they believe Sir Mark’s days are numbered and that he could go in the autumn, when Mr Johnson attempts to reset his government and focus on a post-Covid, post-Brexit agenda.”

The appointment of Simon Case, a 41-year-old civil servant, last month as permanent secretary in Number 10, was an attempt by Mr Johnson to strengthen the government’s grip on the crisis but also to “clip the wings” of Sir Mark, according to several senior officials. Mr Case took a secondment from advising the Duke of Cambridge to oversee the government’s coronavirus response.

 
I looked at this on Jun 7, 2020. What stood out was Cummings himself explaining how few people it required to take control and drive through Brexit – and how great the payout will be for the plutocracy.

Changing the course of European history via the referendum only involved about 10 crucial people controlling ~£107 while its effects over ten years could be on the scale of ~108 – 109 people and ~£1012

The background to Cummings’ power grab is examined here https://moneycircus.blogspot.com/2020/06/the-occult-arts-of-dominic-cummings.html

David Matthews
David Matthews
Jun 26, 2020 8:20 PM
Reply to  Moneycircus

“who revealed Cummings’ trip or why but according to the FT’s story, Mark Sedwill would have the motive”
 
Snap – that’s occurred to me as well. The Ferguson outing was even more dubious, a curtain twitcher could notice the comings and goings of a woman, but would not have biographical details.
 
I wondered if Cummings was trying to get injectables on the cheap (on GSK’s scale of extortion) and getting caught was the warning shot that payment in full was required. Not that we’re ever likely to know for sure.
 

Seaweed
Seaweed
Jun 26, 2020 7:43 PM

Moves to ‘…shift dissidence towards patriotic acts of obedience…’

Sums it up well, thanks for the article.

John Ervin
John Ervin
Jun 26, 2020 9:21 PM
Reply to  Seaweed

Our personal favorite, instead of an unscripted raising of fists in the air by Smith and Carlos at the 1968 Olympics in Mexico City (an act which cost them their careers), we have Nike using the highest, glossiest production values in showcasing Colin Kaepernick’s dissent, in prime time commercials.

Go figure.

Gezzah Potts
Gezzah Potts
Jun 26, 2020 10:06 PM
Reply to  John Ervin

And of course no mention at all of Nike’s sweatshops or the working conditions of those making its highly branded products.

Aldous Hexley
Aldous Hexley
Jun 26, 2020 7:31 PM

Titled brief history of antifa part 2; this piece claims Soros = financing it.
 
Quotes one of the leaders of the Seattle “Autonomous Zone”:
 
 

“Every single day that I show up here I’m not here to peacefully protest. I’m here to disrupt until my demands are met. You cannot rebuild until you break it all the way down. Respond to the demands of the people or prepare to be met with any means necessary. By any means necessary. It’s not a slogan or even a warning. I’m letting people know what comes next.”

 
https://www.zerohedge.com/political/brief-history-antifa-part-ii
 
Here is part 1
 
https://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/16104/antifa-history
 
 

Aldous Hexley
Aldous Hexley
Jun 26, 2020 7:40 PM
Reply to  Aldous Hexley

Excellent phrasing from Dustin’s O-G article above:
 
“Involving the co-opting of grassroots movements, in its bid to transform the unbridled ideals of activism into genuflections of corporate and political interest.”

Tony
Tony
Jun 26, 2020 8:44 PM
Reply to  Aldous Hexley

Antifa has been agitating to move it’s field of operations into rural America. This will not end well, as they will find out the meaning of the old adage that there is a gun behind every blade of grass. This basically then becomes civil war, and all bets are off.

Aldous Hexley
Aldous Hexley
Jun 26, 2020 9:00 PM
Reply to  Tony

It’s very disturbing. The videos I’ve seen of the violence show what can happen to people who just happen to be in the way, attacked by a mob of several with poles and whatever. Also becoming evident is reaction of right-wing militias–as with a few days back a group threatening to take back Seattle. Angry confrontations between these two violent types are happening elsewhere also, in Ohio I think. Civil war is threatening in the form of more widening chaos. T Carlson is right in calling out the nation’s “leadership” as pusillanimous, with Trump for example saying he’s enjoying sitting back and watching “liberal” US cities destroy themselves.

Howard
Howard
Jun 26, 2020 10:47 PM
Reply to  Tony

All this Antifa hoopla: Much Ado About Nothing. I like Chris Hedges’ take on Antifa: that they’re about as much a terror threat as the Boy Scouts. In a word, they’ve become the far right’s boogeyman, just as White Nationalists have become the far left’s boogeyman.
 
Moral of story: whatever else we have or don’t have, there must be boogeymen.

Aldous Hexley
Aldous Hexley
Jun 27, 2020 12:55 AM
Reply to  Howard

Try watching some videos of the violence.

Howard
Howard
Jun 27, 2020 3:16 PM
Reply to  Aldous Hexley

Unless one bloodies one’s own nose, the essence of violence is “it takes two to tango.” But to actually watch videos of violence, I would have to go to the mainstream media – and I absolutely refuse to dirty my hands with MSM propaganda.

Aldous Hexley
Aldous Hexley
Jun 27, 2020 5:03 PM
Reply to  Howard

I’ve seen some horrible stuff, as with several people leaping on one person who is calling out “Stop! Stop!” whacked with a long pole and set upon by a group of five, leaving him unconscious on the ground (looked dead, I don’t know, it was a horrible image, body twisted). Man carrying a flag leaped on similarly. This sort of thing. So I would question the Boy Scouts reference myself, based on what I’ve seen so far. These Antifa people have also been vicious in the past, at other places. I wouldn’t say I’m “right,” but then again these terms are meaningless today. Personally, I hope for equal rights and humanness for all. Anger is a form of violence as far as I’m concerned, coming right out the beast that resides equally inside us all, and needs to be controlled. That sounds self-righteous . . . still working on it with myself . . .

Oggy
Oggy
Jun 28, 2020 4:32 AM
Reply to  Aldous Hexley

Yes, the Amygdal/Limbic System has served us well to this point,nearly 8 billion of us.However at this point in our Evolution it seems to be the undoing of us.Our Brains will have to evolve pretty quickly to avoid what seems to be inevitable,”extinction”.We in the West have been conditioned nicely , to consume incessantly,at massive cost to the Global South.I am Sure some posters here will agree this Economic System is just not sustainable for everyone on the planet.It has been said before on this Site in other Articles and by some posters,a Profit Driven System has got us to this point and sadly the future dosn’t look good.I am a Skeptic by nature,some think me a Pessimist by nature, they are incorrect.Having said that , I am pessimistic for the future of the Species,based on the evidence presented by countless researchers in various fields, everyone should be very very concerned.By the way maybe an “Opinion ” but based on years of observation and reading incessantly,cannot help myself.over now to the trolls and whatever !

Aldous Hexley
Aldous Hexley
Jun 28, 2020 3:13 PM
Reply to  Oggy

Yes, what is it, with 4% of the global population the US consumes 25% of its resources (?) is this correct? It suggests the nature of the beast in this Profit Driven case. That a select few psychopathically inclined individuals can control such power and destruction for the planet will not be sustained. Conflict is growing more intense, with China’s threat via the New Silk Road and failure to resolve the resource wars in the Middle East and elsewhere. The horrible likelihood is that the undoing of brutal hubris and greed cannot be accomplished peacefully.

jess
jess
Jun 27, 2020 2:24 AM
Reply to  Howard

the boogeyman is the germ theory. people believe it on every level including health. in religion it is called the devil. in reality it is the enemy within the mind called fear. nobody even heard of antifa till it became the virus du jour.

Howard
Howard
Jun 27, 2020 3:26 PM
Reply to  jess

I’ve got to begin researching Beauchamp et al in earnest. Until encountering this Off G comment section, I hadn’t heard much at all about alternatives to the germ theory. I will say the alternatives seem lacking some essential ingredient – and this is even with the enormity of toxicity surrounding us.
 
I suspect Antifa, just like COVID, is an engineered entity (if either exists).

Waldorf
Waldorf
Jun 27, 2020 7:03 AM
Reply to  Howard

I am inclined to think it will end abruptly after election day, especially if Trump loses, which seems likely at the moment (however, we will see in November). There is real anger and discontent out there (how could there not be with millions unemployed or about to be?) but the orchestra needs a conductor and it seems to me it has one. Or a number of conductors.

Howard
Howard
Jun 27, 2020 3:49 PM
Reply to  Waldorf

Iff Mr Trump loses, Antifa will have to end, with a big flourish and a “Mission Accomplished.”
 
For my part, I was hoping Mr Biden would not be nominated – that way I could avoid the election altogether. But with Biden on the loose, I’ll be forced to vote for Trump. I figure this way: all the things I despise about Trump (his threats to Venezuela, Iran, China, Cuba, Nicaragua) would be taken up by Biden anyway. Plus we would have Mrs Clinton waiting in the wings. No thanks.

Gypsy Wendy
Gypsy Wendy
Jun 26, 2020 7:18 PM

There is only one sheriff in town and that is the USA. The CIA destroyed Guatemala’s democratic government, throwing them into a murderous far-right tyranny, in 1954, just to protect United Fruit Corporation’s monopoly banana contracts.

So don’t you think the US would be happy destroy the UK’s, other European economies and the 5 eyes countries, just to impose an exclusive surveillance system on every aspect of our lives via Google and Apple Apps and all the wealth $& power that will flow from that?

Of course they would and they have. Note that they are trying to migrate everything over to a US based app, spying on you, in restaurants, your gym, your sex life, everything will be an app. You can be ‘turned off’ by your masters in the USA at any time, so be very nice to them, like the Chinese people need to be nice to their masters.

Tony
Tony
Jun 26, 2020 8:49 PM
Reply to  Gypsy Wendy

The world’s main big money family is European. But, as pointed out by Jim Sinclair, these people don’t fly flags. The USA can be ‘turned off’ by them at any time, and it will be when the debt crisis can’t be stretched out any further.

Gypsy Wendy
Gypsy Wendy
Jun 26, 2020 10:47 PM
Reply to  Tony

You speak like history doesn’t exist.

Tony
Tony
Jun 27, 2020 7:32 AM
Reply to  Gypsy Wendy

Jack, I speak based on history. You speak (with your dozens of aliases) based on your obsession.

Wendy
Wendy
Jun 27, 2020 1:35 PM
Reply to  Tony

Look at your comment, it’s silly, pure fantasy. ideas built by fascists to distract from the actions of the fascists. Whereas my comment is just repeating history, yet considered outrageous. You liars are so transparent.

Tony
Tony
Jun 27, 2020 1:42 PM
Reply to  Wendy

Christ! Yet another alias! Jack, your bollox about the USA has been exposed over and over again. It doesn’t matter how many different names under which you post it.

Tom
Tom
Jun 26, 2020 7:09 PM

Off-topic but no Starmer/Long-Bailey article?

Sophie - Admin1
Admin
Sophie - Admin1
Jun 26, 2020 7:42 PM
Reply to  Tom

Not currently. The Labour Party is such an irrelevance now that their censorship antics are not a high priority for us. But if anyone wants to write a piece about it we won’t refuse it, provided it’s well written and has something real to say.

paul
paul
Jun 26, 2020 7:51 PM

The Labour Party is just a sick joke, a waste of space, a waste of a man’s rations, a dead end, a waste of time, effort, and energy, a wholly owned subsidiary of the Board Of Deputies and the Mossad Office, and generally not worth a w**k, let alone an Offguardian article.

Philippe
Philippe
Jun 27, 2020 10:43 AM
Reply to  paul

I agree.
 
I just wish you’d get off the fence and say what you really think. Now is not the time for obfuscation.

RobG
RobG
Jun 26, 2020 7:59 PM

Well said, Off G.

George Mc
George Mc
Jun 26, 2020 10:19 PM

Quite right. I think it is no longer possible to have “something real to say” about the Labour Party. Since this was the party that was supposed to represent the masses, it would send one hell of a scare into our overlords if nobody gave a fuck about it anymore. Send them an unambiguous message: “Your bullshit phony prole party no longer works!”

Waldorf
Waldorf
Jun 27, 2020 7:30 AM

I don’t know about this. I have long despised the LP as I think it has long had no spine, and I was quite free of the tendency to think Corbyn would take it anywhere, but as a case study of how the Zionist lobby can shake institutions down, manipulate and terrify them, this is quite instructive. However, I couldn’t write an article about it.

Waldorf
Waldorf
Jun 27, 2020 7:38 AM
Reply to  Waldorf

To add to the foregoing, the establishment needs a fake opposition that can be slotted into “power” at the opportune moment, and Johnson and the Conservatives are not having a good time in a potentially explosive epoch. I think more intelligent members of the ruling class may regret that the Labour Party is so weak as it cannot fulfil its historic role of channeling aspirations within the system as opposed to outside of it. The Lib Dems are pathetically weak, the SNP only operates in Scotland and it seems to me constitutes some sort of threat to the integrity of the UK, and so both of them are not much good as loyal opposition to the system, as it were.
This makes me wonder whether some sort of fake alternative is being crafted right now, because it seems to me the time is ripe.

Willem
Willem
Jun 26, 2020 7:07 PM

Quote Josef Mengele

“The more we do to you, the less you seem to believe we are doing it.”

Considering all these fake narratives like blm combined with aggression of antifa which is obviously cointelpro like orchestrated, yet very difficult to see, I come to the conclusion that Mengele was far ahead of his time.

And then there is also of course climate change, Covid19, the wars for peace in the Middle East leading to a refugee exodus to Europe, the destruction of the welfare state

John Ervin
John Ervin
Jun 26, 2020 7:40 PM
Reply to  Willem

Dont forget the incessant and relentless coopting of religions, which Umberto Eco wrote was an essential facet of fascism.

ALL the churches are heavily infiltrated, and doctrines subtly (sometimes) re-routed toward the corporate darling: “Muscular Christianity” — and such nonsense. Weaponizing Peace.

Lest we mistake kindness for weakness.

Willem
Willem
Jun 26, 2020 9:37 PM
Reply to  John Ervin

Hi John, I think it was you who recommended the following documentary here (thank you for that) and that I saw and is to the point here also:

Psywar: the real battlefield is the mind

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Hg45zK2QKvU

John Ervin
John Ervin
Jun 26, 2020 10:13 PM
Reply to  Willem

Thanks, Willem! I’ve been waiting 8 years for feedback on referrals I’ve given out for that film, and you are the first, probably since it is too highly charged for most.

It is full of revelations about western governments’ use of “management perception” (aka, mass mind control) such as firms like TRG (The Rendon Group, think: Mengele Meets Madison Avenue, and its admasters like John Rendon).

If that caught your eye, an even more scintillating and in depth documentary, 5 part series, is “Counterintelligence” by Scott Noble, and produced by the same exemplary company: “Zeitgeist Films”.

John Ervin
John Ervin
Jun 26, 2020 10:17 PM
Reply to  John Ervin

A search on “Counterintelligence” by Scott Noble and Metanoia Films:

https://www.google.com/search?q=counterintelligence+by+scott+noble&oq=counterintelligence+by+scott+noble&aqs=chrome..69i57.16609j0j9&client=ms-android-americamovil-us&sourceid=chrome-mobile&ie=UTF-8

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