Julian Assange Faces Second Superseding Indictment

Binoy kampmark

The Kafkaesque Imperium has taken yet another absurd step towards mean absurdity with another superseding indictment against Julian Assange. This move by the US Department of Justice seems to have surprised those involved in his extradition proceedings.

Mark Summers QC, one of the members of the Assange legal team, did not conceal his astonishment at the call over hearing at London’s Westminster Magistrates’ Court.

We are surprised by the timing of this development. We were surprised to hear about it in the press.”

What is baffling about this latest act of brutish pantomime is that the spruced up indictment does not contain new charges so much as added flesh. WikiLeaks editor-in-chief Kristinn Hrafnsson could only remark upon this fact with consternation. We already know the sinister import of the charges, the lion’s share of 17 focused on alleged violations of the US Espionage Act, and one of conspiring to commit computer intrusion.

US prosecutors evidently felt that the latter charge required bulking.

On June 24, the DOJ’s Office of Public Affairs made mention of a federal grand jury’s return of “a second superseding indictment […] charging Julian P. Assange, the founder of WikiLeaks, with offenses that relate to Assange’s alleged role in one of the largest compromises of classified information in the history of the United States.” No additional counts are added, but the new document is not immaterial in what it builds upon.

It seeks to draw out the character of Assange as the enterprising “hacker” who also sought to recruit his fellow kind, a move that transparently seeks to undermine any journalistic or publisher credentials. It also casts a wider net against WikiLeaks, its associates and those who gave it a lending hand, while expanding the timeline of alleged nefarious acts (no longer restricted to March 2010, it targets alleged activities between 2009 and 2015).

According to the charging document, Assange and others at WikiLeaks recruited and agreed with hackers to commit computer intrusions to benefit WikiLeaks.”

The document makes mention, for instance, of Sarah Harrison, former spokesperson Daniel Domscheit-Berg, and digital activist Jacob Appelbaum. It also hones in on Assange on the conference circuit, noting how he, along with “a WikiLeaks associate”, participated at the “Hacking at Random” conference in the Netherlands. Assange “sought to recruit those who had or could obtain authorized access to classified information and hackers to search for, steal, and send to WikiLeaks the items on the ‘Most Wanted Leaks’ list that was posted on WikiLeaks’s website.”

Assange is described as encourager and provocateur, suggesting to potential recruits that, “unless they were ‘a serving member of the United States military,’ they would have no legal liability for stealing classified information and giving it to WikiLeaks because ‘TOP SECRET’ meant nothing as a matter of law.”

This indictment does little to improve on previous defects.

As Kevin Gosztola writes in the indispensable Shadowproof, the DOJ draws heavily on statements from FBI informants, namely Sigurdur “Siggi” Thordarson and Hector Xavier Monsegur (“Sabu”) of the LulzSec hacker group. Thordarson was fired from WikiLeaks in November 2011 after his embezzlement ventures amounting to $50,000 were discovered.

According to WikiLeaks,

In light of the relentless ongoing prosecution of US authorities against WikiLeaks, it is not surprising that the FBI would try to abuse this troubled young man and involve him in some manner in the attempt to prosecute WikiLeaks staff.”

The Bureau’s pieces of silver for Thordarson’s services amounted to $5,000.

Monsegur’s part in the whole business was, according to activist Jeremy Hammond and key figure in the hacking of the intelligence firm Stratfor, to entrap WikiLeaks in a cash-for-leaks scheme. It was also Monsegur who gave the hacker collective AntiSec access to the company’s information trove. Hammond was duly entrapped in transferring, without his knowledge, confidential data to an FBI server.

Monsegur’s rather smelly pride of place in the indictment is that of allegedly fielding requests from Assange “to look for (and provide to WikiLeaks) mail and documents, databases and pdfs.”

Another protagonist also makes an appearance in the prosecutorial show. “To encourage leakers and hackers to provide stolen materials to WikiLeaks in the future, Assange and others at WikiLeaks openly displayed their attempts to assist [Edward] Snowden in evading arrest.”

Harrison, tagged “WLA-4”, is noted as assisting Snowden make his exit from Hong Kong to Moscow in 2013. The assistance provided by WikiLeaks is deemed conspiratorial; vocalised support for Snowden given by Assange at the Chaos Computer Club conference on December 31, 2013, is trotted as an example of incitement to theft.

Gosztola notes the purposeful mutilations by the prosecutors regarding statements made by Assange regarding radical transparency. Assange, for instance, is noted as claiming:

that ‘the famous leaks that WikiLeaks has done or the recent Edward Snowden revelations’ showed that ‘it was possible now for even a single system administrator to…not merely wreck[] or disabl[e] [organizations]…but rather shift[] information from an information apartheid system…into the knowledge commons.”

The actual quote is more qualified in its philosophical belligerence, emphasising such liberated knowledge as “a disciplining force” and “constructive constraint” upon “those with extraordinary power and information” while also being “used to construct and understand the new world that we’re entering into.”

Assange’s stance on information, and his encouragement to the young to rush into the ranks of the Central Intelligence Agency, is taken as an exhortation of bad faith, encouraging the theft of classified information and the ruination of secrecy.

A better reading of this, urges Gosztola, is to see this as a call “to young people to help the public address a crisis of corruption in government by forcing transparency at a time when the government abuses the classified information system to conceal waste, fraud, abuse, and other illegal actions.”

The new indictment has made something of a mockery of the London extradition proceedings.

Judge Vanessa Baraitser conceded to being informed of the superseding document by email, but still awaits its official receipt. Prosecution barrister Joel Smith merely remarked that both parties were still pouring over its contents and implications. “If we need to involve the court … then we will inform the court at the appropriate time.”

Summers was less sanguine, suggesting that the expansive larding of the new indictment would affect future management hearings. “This shows,” stated Hrafnsson, “how they are abusing due process in the UK and flaunting the legal system’s rules.”

During the hearing, Judge Baraitser was again her merry self, suggesting that Assange had no good reason to avoid attending the call-over session. According to word from Belmarsh prison officials, he was refusing to attend for fear of contracting COVID-19, which was no reason at all. Medical evidence had to be supplied for any absence at the next call-over session on July 27. Another entry into the book of travesty that is this entire affair has been made.

Dr. Binoy Kampmark was a Commonwealth Scholar at Selwyn College, Cambridge. He lectures at RMIT University, Melbourne. Email: [email protected]

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tonyopmoc
tonyopmoc
Jul 3, 2020 1:25 PM

Julian Assange is 49 years old today.

Despite being tortured in a Dungeon in London, I wish him a Happy Birthday.

Tony

Rhys Jaggar
Rhys Jaggar
Jul 2, 2020 9:58 PM

Amazing that this is so serious, but the USA killing over one million innocent people in wars in Afghanistan, Iraq, Libya etc etc does not merit indictments for the architects and media supporters of those wars?
 
I really do hope that the prosecuting counsel is made aware of this in sufficiently ascerbic terms that their continued practice of the law might come under grave threat due to their persona being completely trashed as an unethical, unprincipled appeaser of global genocide.
 
The law is an ass if the US can murder with impunity but put someone in prison for life just for getting a few files downloaded to highlight the US Deep State breaking its own laws.

Tony
Tony
Jul 3, 2020 9:46 PM
Reply to  Rhys Jaggar

And all the tin foil hat nutters simply don’t understand this. The anti-Assange trolls do, of course. But they will be strung up from lamp posts eventually, as punishment for their pure, unadulterated evil

wardropper
wardropper
Jul 5, 2020 9:29 PM
Reply to  Tony

I very much doubt they will be strung up, since those of us commenting here are not generally the sort of people who string other people up for their pure evil, but I appreciate the wishful thinking…

Nixon Scraypes
Nixon Scraypes
Jul 2, 2020 4:41 PM

Just think about those poor lawyers for a moment, they’ve got to earn a crust. It gives them something to do. I wonder if you piled all the lawyers up, would it reach the moon. Actually that’s a good idea.

Ort
Ort
Jul 2, 2020 7:45 PM
Reply to  Nixon Scraypes

I take your point. But what has the poor Moon done to you, that you wish to visit lawyers upon it?

Nixon Scraypes
Nixon Scraypes
Jul 2, 2020 7:51 PM
Reply to  Ort

What? Can’t you tell? I’m a lunatic conspiracy theorist, that’s what it’s done to me.

Ort
Ort
Jul 2, 2020 8:04 PM
Reply to  Nixon Scraypes

Ah. Well, since you have an open mind, after I replied a novel thought occurred to me: it may be that the Moon was once a vibrant, verdant planet, but during some previous epoch on Earth, the lawyers of a vanished advanced civilization traveled to the Moon and colonized it. The rest is pre-history!
 

Nixon Scraypes
Nixon Scraypes
Jul 2, 2020 10:22 PM
Reply to  Ort

A very good point Ort. That may explain why the gravity there is so low. Those somber, learned fellows absorbed it all.

John Pretty
John Pretty
Jul 2, 2020 12:09 AM

I used to get quite emotional about Julian and I am still the proud owner of a very encouraging letter he sent me last year, entreating me not to give up on him.
 
I have become a little jaded of late though as he is still so strongly associated with Craig Murray who I have had such a lot of difficulty with.
 
I have said before that I think Julian would be better to distance himself from Craig.
 
Wikileaks is not a political organisation and has no allegiance to any state. So, in my opinion Julian would be better off without having such a close public association with such a radical anti-British figure as Murray. They could still be friends privately.
 
I was not impressed by Murray’s public grandstanding at the first hearing. I used to think he might listen to me and I e-mailed him to tell him to stop it as I thought it wasn’t helping Julian. Of course he just ignored my e-mail.
 
Now he is in trouble for similar antics at Salmond’s trial, so I feel vindicated in that regard, if nothing else.
 
The fact that the Americans have added to the original inditement is, in my opinion, an indication that perhaps their position is weak and they fear they might lose. I hope that the defence team will do their best to fight the extradition.
 
Baraitser may not appear to be friendly, but that is no reason to give up. I still harbour hopes that she can be brought round to the defence’s side, but only if they stop playing the victim and appeal to the letter of the law.
 
(I will not be returning to this post).
 

Tony
Tony
Jul 2, 2020 12:48 AM
Reply to  John Pretty

Oh John. for god’s sake, you were thrown off Craig. Murray’s site because you stalked a female Russian poster going by the name of ‘Tatiana’. Give it a rest, man. She might not even be a female.

George Mc
George Mc
Jul 2, 2020 7:51 AM
Reply to  Tony

He sounds a bit of a self-aggrandising fantasist too. He received a letter from Assange and expects to be able to “talk sense” to Craig?

porkpie
porkpie
Jul 2, 2020 2:00 AM
Reply to  John Pretty

Yeah, get a grip. Maybe try and separate your self-pitying whining about Craig from Julian’s plight if you truly give a shit about his predicament? Pathetic.

crispy
crispy
Jul 2, 2020 9:13 PM
Reply to  John Pretty

Well Murray and Assange have been used by kremlin propaganda channel,RT International

Basically spoilt goods in my opinion

Working for the other side 😉

But then I’m not very popular on OFF g,and looking at your down vote count neither are you 😁

Although you’ll never catch me up,will they Admin 😁

Tony
Tony
Jul 3, 2020 9:50 PM
Reply to  crispy

Hi Louis, your lamp post will be ready and waiting in the not-too-distant future.

wardropper
wardropper
Jul 5, 2020 9:37 PM
Reply to  John Pretty

I can understand your not wanting to return to this post, since your opinion of Craig is a very strange one. He is certainly not “a radical anti-British figure”, but a man of conscience who precisely wants the British authorities to stop provoking thinking people into despising the nation by their actions.
You might as well claim that being anti-Murdoch was the same as being against a free press…

RobG
RobG
Jul 1, 2020 10:11 PM

Police in England and Wales facing ‘new era of austerity’ 
Subtext: the army are going to be put on the streets of the UK.
 
Data reveals coronavirus hotspots in Bradford, Barnsley and Rochdale 
Subtext: you now live in a police state.
 
‘Chaotic and crazy’: meat plants around the world struggle with virus outbreaks 
Subtext: after frightening us all to death they are now going to starve us all to death.
 
It’s a funny old world…
 
 

Dungroanin
Dungroanin
Jul 2, 2020 9:38 AM
Reply to  RobG

The subtexts are these:

1. The private police forces are on the way. G4/Serco long have it as part of their business plans.
We will not have civilian forces, operating FOR the community and citizens buy for control OVER them .
They must not empathise with the communities and will be able to deploy whatever lethal force.

This has given us private prisons, private military companies and now private policing – trained in the Israeli Border Police methodology which has been developing methods over the Palestinians and apartheid for generations now.

2. The ‘data’ is not collected, analysed or released in a independent scientific manner. It is REVEALED as a dog whistle racist anti Muslim/Asian trope.
‘LOOK ITS THEM FOREIGNERS LIVING IN THESE TOWNS WHICH ARE THE REASON WHY WE CAN’T LIFT THE RESTRICTIONS – nothing to do with OUR crap bullshit reaction to the pandemic as we rush to finally, finally, deliver the BrexShit that we are paid to! (also enables 1).

3. Chlorinated chicken and harmonised beef and GM pigs processed in major US Midwest factories are on their way to SAVE you – rejoice!

—————-

& I’ll add the missing denouement:

“LOSERS. WE have WON.
We have our HENRY VIII powers now and neither our fully owned Parliament or Lords have objected or stopped us getting them – we have used the pandemic to stop you noticing, because all the media are ours, ALL.
Ministerial Decrees, issued by our SPECIAL ADVISERS in every branch of government, will override the need for pesky legislation as we implement 1,2,3 – you suckers , we have ousted your pesky Corbynites & Parliamentarians , victory is OURS; Hard BrexShit is ours, All your base is ours, screw your rights and regulations, we got millions of more foreigners on the way to do all the jobs for less pay including being your guards to keep you in your places in your modern parishes and you will go back to your ancient servitude and destitution, LOSERS.
MWAHA …mwahahahahaha……”

———

Some of us have been warning of this for the last 4 years; but there’s none so blind as these who are suckered into believing they are exceptional, deserving and in need of regaining their personal ‘sovereignty’ which they never had, to lift their austerity, which was politically imposed upon them, so they would actually act against their own interests.

Fed and watered by any amount of full spectrum perception management, including supposed (shadowy) alt-news sites…and an army of flying blue monkey trolls to reinforce the messaging. While whistleblowers and Indy journalism were trashed.

Well, we are entering the last 6 months of that great con as they walk away with your future security, your grandkids will wonder how you were so dumb, that in one generation of the 21st century, so many generations achingly slowly won demands for fairness and equality were so easily handed back, as easily as 1,2,3 …

hope
hope
Jul 2, 2020 7:40 PM
Reply to  RobG

Possibly starving as well, but what may be happening Rob is among other things a Green dictatorship”, which evidently has nothing to do with actually ensuring our better survival, rather ensuring that profits can continue being made now that there is a serious shortage of energy, more possibly serious than we are told. Its interesting because I think I first heard about this on ukcolumn and then the other day someone told me of new policies in the country you live in and she actually used that expression as they are totally balmy, and nonsensical from the point of view of a life less materialist, and more harmonious with our surroundings (according to this person, it seems to include the replacement of wood in older buildings by some form of plastic, and evidently its all at the taxpayer’s expense). Hence stopping people eat meat may be part of all this…

hope
hope
Jul 2, 2020 7:59 PM
Reply to  RobG

About a police state: no it may be far more subtle, not a police state. Rather what has been at work for a while and was seen to have succeeded to a large extent during this covid affair
is that they are social engineering people so that the community, the majority makes the minority behave. Like if you’re not wearing a mask, as you yourself experienced in the surgery, its not the police, but a woman there who actually told you off. A friend said if one tried not to wear a mask on public transports, its not the police that should be feared, but the other passengers: they’re the ones who would drag you out.
 
Its a totally different form of totalitarianism that may be being experimented, and hence you have react against it in totally different ways than in the past. We’re no longer in 1940 but in 2020 with a digital world giving the means for this social engineering that some people began to call for since after the war.
 
The worst form would be if people around you decided they will commit violence against anyone behaving in ways not allowed”.
 
For instance, in this instance, the majority have been made to have delusions regarding covid. Someone yesterday was telling me about the formal definition of a delusion. He was claiming that all that is needed to lock people up in psychiatric wards is to say they had delusions, namely according to the online OED, an ”impression maintained despite being contradicted by reality or rational argument”, which he said meant anyone that has a different world view. Now for those who understand whats going on, the majority has been deluded, but the majority has been made to believe rather that it is those who claim to understand that are dangerously deluded… So according to already existing laws, they could presumably lock up anyone who denies the delusion of the majority. Don’t forget that in some countries, in particular the one you live in, anyone, your neighbour, your friend, a family member, certainly the mayor, has the right to ask for someone to be locked up.
All this to say, Id advise prudence if your dont accept the official narrative.

paul
paul
Jul 1, 2020 9:46 PM

Isn’t it wonderful that we benefit from the Rule Of Law and a completely independent judiciary here in the UK?
 
It leaves us fully justified to climb up on our high horse and give pious lectures and lofty sermons to the dirty Chinks and the evil Russkies and all the benighted Darkies about their human rights failings and their need to pull their socks up to meet our exalted standards and Rules Based Order.
 
Makes you proud to be British, it does.

Charlotte Russe
Charlotte Russe
Jul 1, 2020 9:23 PM

WHO’S THE TRAITOR
 
Maybe instead of prosecuting Assange for treason the US Government should investigate Joe Biden, John Kerry, Hunter Biden, and Chris Heinz (Kerry’s stepson) about Rosemont Capital and their questionable deals with China’s military.
 
“Obama administration’s Committee on Foreign Investment in the United States (CFIUS) approved the acquisition of a U.S. automotive technology company, Henniges, with reported military applications. Henniges was reportedly jointly acquired by Chinese government entities and an investment firm linked to family members of then-Vice President Joe Biden and other Obama administration officials.”
 
In addition: “In July 2014, Secretary of State John Kerry visited China. While the Chinese government had disliked Hillary Clinton’s “unipolar voice,” they found Kerry a much more willing ally. When President Xi Jinping called for a commitment to “boost Sino-US economic ties,” Kerry echoed this call. “China and the United States represent the greatest economic alliance trading partnership in the history of humankind,” he said.
Meanwhile, a former subsidiary of the Chinese government, Gemini Investments, aimed to purchase Rosemont Realty, another branch of the Rosemont Capital tree run by Hunter Biden, Chris Heinz, and Devon Archer.
 
Gemini Investments is considered an “indirect subsidy” of the Chinese government, and it is operated by its parent company, Sino-Ocean Land. Gemini Investments’ director, Li Ming, served for several terms as a member of the Communist Party’s elite conference, and Sino-Ocean Land originated from the China Ocean Shipping Company (COSCO). The two companies still share the same address.
The Chinese call COSCO the fifth arm of the People’s Liberation Army Navy (PLAN). According to leaked State Department cables, COSCO was reportedly shipping material for Syria’s weapons development program, probably from North Korea.” https://pjmedia.com/news-and-politics/tyler-o-neil/2018/03/21/as-biden-and-kerry-went-soft-on-china-sons-made-nuclear-military-busine
 
Assange a publisher is accused of treason for releasing data received from whistleblowers, but former VP Joe Biden is running for president after his son and John Kerry’s stepson made a fortune from dubious deals with China’s military.   
 
 
 
 

The Dude Abides
The Dude Abides
Jul 1, 2020 9:47 PM

If you’re going down this road I’m confused why you forgot to mention Trump who actually owns property in China and owes money to Chinese banks. But it’s a moot point because you shouldn’t believe everything the CIA says about China.
 
Well someone did comment below about imperialist trolls brigading this post.

Charlotte Ruse
Charlotte Ruse
Jul 1, 2020 11:47 PM

Trump can’t own property because you can only lease properties in China. Secondly, Trump has schmatta businesses in China that’s quite different then selling military technology…….and funny you should mention the CIA they’re Biden’s best friend……

Geoffrey Skoll
Geoffrey Skoll
Jul 1, 2020 8:02 PM

Looking over the comments, I see a lot of imperialist trolls. Wish they used their real names.Wish everybody used their real names. Why don’t they? Stand by what you say or keep quiet.

Robbobbobin
Robbobbobin
Jul 2, 2020 9:59 AM
Reply to  Geoffrey Skoll

“Wish everybody used their real names. Why don’t they?”

Good question. It can’t be because they believe that any Five Eyes & Co operative, if so inclined, couldn’t track any poster here down in practically no time, unless they sadly wrongly believe they’re invisiblised-by-moniker. Why do you think they don’t? Any ideas? I mean, if they’ve done nothing wrong they have nothing to fear. Do they?

Geoffrey Skoll
Geoffrey Skoll
Jul 2, 2020 3:15 PM
Reply to  Robbobbobin

The “not doing anything wrong” of course is ridiculous, because everyone in the US and other countries too is probably violating some US criminal law right now. And I wouldn’t expect everybody to use their real names, because some names are just awkward, or too long, or confusing, or something. But, hardly anyone uses their names. I do in part because I publish a lot in books, articles, annd so on so the CIA, NSA, MI5 & 6, et al just have to read. I’ve heard rumors some of their anlaysts do read unlike US and UK politicians.

Calamity Jane
Calamity Jane
Jul 1, 2020 6:55 PM

Another common meme in the so called alt- right “free CIA Wikileaks agent Assange”.
 
 

Voz a0db
Voz a0db
Jul 1, 2020 5:59 PM

“Nothing to see here!… Just put on your masks, moron slaves and get to work!
 
 
 
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Arby
Arby
Jul 1, 2020 5:48 PM

I wish Assange well. Who told him that covid 19 was anything more than a cold (and is now ancient history, which the progressive community should be telling people)? And why does Wikileaks still promote the State’s Tor browser?

Arby
Arby
Jul 1, 2020 5:53 PM
Reply to  Arby

Well, I see a gremlin. When I click on the edit button to my minute old comment (and add this link to a condense version of chapter 7 of Yasha Levine’s “Surveillance Valley”: https://app.box.com/s/u09k7gv7kftqsmh40pje2l447hwradvb), my comment disappeared from view and there was nothing and no way to type anything.

Robbobbobin
Robbobbobin
Jul 2, 2020 10:27 AM
Reply to  Arby

Tor ate your homework? Tor is open source and wisely makes no claims of invulnerable anonymity or impenetrable privacy, mostly because it provides neither. It provides pretty good personal networking anonymity and privacy that’s about as secure as you’ll get this side of a great big pile of readies.

Arby
Arby
Jul 2, 2020 12:43 PM
Reply to  Robbobbobin

Hopefully others will read what I link to. Carry on.

Calamity Jane
Calamity Jane
Jul 1, 2020 6:58 PM
Reply to  Arby

Why when hes’ doing well msot CIA enemies don’t hang out in London (Embassy )and party making babies do they.. Wikileaks is the CIA’s whistle blower honey pot .
Always amazed how people follow and worship this media celeb that is CIA .
1) Do people really think the CIA are unable lack capacity and resources to assassinate their actual enemies?
2) Wikileaks was founded by CIA to catch whistle blowers before they leak info.Damage control.
3) Wiki is an unverified source and the CIA did not care that the world knows about torture done( waterboarding) why it just makes people afraid of them.No unauthorized info was leaked by wiki.
4) Swanning around the embassy partying with celebs and making babies for years poor little CIA agent, and hello reasoning when the UN tells you anything question it!
5) There is no net neutrality, or impartiality or internet freedom with the censorship and search engine monopoly.So what allegedly the media tell you he stands for is a lie.

Eric McCoo
Eric McCoo
Jul 2, 2020 9:26 AM
Reply to  Calamity Jane

Number 2.Yes. Along with the perfectly named ‘The Intercept’.
 
 
I believe Wikileaks was also created to trigger the Arab Spring for the CIA. Even the mainstream media believe it was a CIA/NED operation.
 
Amnesty International hails WikiLeaks and Guardian as Arab spring ‘catalysts’
 
 
‘The rights group singles out WikiLeaks and the newspapers that pored over its previously confidential government files, among them the Guardian, as a catalyst in a series of uprisings against repressive regimes, notably the overthrow of Tunisia’s long-serving president, Zine al-Abidine Ben Ali.
 
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2011/may/13/amnesty-international-wikileaks-arab-spring
 
 

Eric McCoo
Eric McCoo
Jul 2, 2020 9:28 AM
Reply to  Calamity Jane

U.S. Groups Helped Nurture Arab Uprisings 
The money spent on these programs was minute compared with efforts led by the Pentagon. But as American officials and others look back at the uprisings of the Arab Spring, they are seeing that the United States’ democracy-building campaigns played a bigger role in fomenting protests than was previously known, with key leaders of the movements having been trained by the Americans in campaigning, organizing through new media tools and monitoring elections.
 
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/04/15/world/15aid.html?pagewanted=1&_r=2&emc=eta1

Tony
Tony
Jul 2, 2020 2:34 PM
Reply to  Eric McCoo

The New York Times.
 
*loud groan*

Arby
Arby
Jul 2, 2020 12:44 PM
Reply to  Calamity Jane

Proof?

Aldous Hexley
Aldous Hexley
Jul 1, 2020 5:42 PM

The link at “with another superseding indictment” serves to define and outline the activity of whistle-blowing. It could be a Wikipedia entry on the practice. Essential to it is “illegal.”
 
The assumption in this indictment appears to be that individuals within governments are always to be obeyed automatically, never questioned, never ratted on no matter what, always sacrosanct and above the law, and no question of their actions in terms of human decency, maneuvering for special interests, and generally behaving as despicable opportunists. The “collateral murder” video for example shows a shining example of brilliant policy and tactics while faking a war to get after another country’s resources and overall control a region.
 
It seems to me the only thing the indictment lacks is an instruction manual on how to stand up very straight, extend the right arm slightly above shoulder height, make sure the fingers are extended and held very close together, add a small mustache beneath your nose (or grow one), and shriek “Heil (fill-in-the-blank-of-your-government-representative)!” 
 
 

S Cooper
S Cooper
Jul 1, 2020 4:55 PM

If old Smedley Butler and old Eugene Debs were alive today they would be shouting from the rooftops, steeples and towers.
 
FREE JULIAN ASSANGE NOW!
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gordon
gordon
Jul 1, 2020 6:10 PM
Reply to  S Cooper

rubbish
smedley had a nose for the empire of the city of london actor

S Cooper
S Cooper
Jul 1, 2020 6:29 PM
Reply to  gordon

It would appear “Gordon” has no issue with the murder of Julian Assange. How sad. Who will cry for “Gordon” when they murder him/her?

gordon
gordon
Jul 1, 2020 7:21 PM
Reply to  S Cooper

where did he stay when he was on the run in hiding in the early stages.
a big house in the country lots of land a gentlemen a friend of the man
the man not the man the prince who who would be king
 
but the man pointing at his chest giving orders to a future king
 
 
i care not who rules just give me control of the central bank

Peter
Peter
Jul 1, 2020 4:52 PM

I laughed and thought it was a joke when some body said, “what is the difference between North Korea and the North Atlantic Alliance?”
“We get more food”.

Eric McCoo
Eric McCoo
Jul 1, 2020 4:39 PM

Dear Mr/Mrs Admin. I am receiving these messages in a completely scrambled order.
 
 

S Cooper
S Cooper
Jul 1, 2020 3:59 PM

The Cocaine Importers of America (CIA) and all the other war racketeering corporate fascist acronym bureaus and agencies of mass murder, grand theft, pillage, fear and terror hate and loath accountability. They do not wish to be held accountable for their numerous crimes against humanity and against peace.
 
That is the significance of the Julian Assange case. Just as they want to end what remains of the Bill of Rights in the US, they want to silence anyone who would expose them and their crimes. They need to go, the sooner the better. Humanity deserves nothing less.
 
FREE JULIAN ASSANGE NOW!

Jill
Jill
Jul 1, 2020 2:51 PM

I agree this is a warning to anyone even thinking about revealing information which the public has a right to know. Five nations have disposed of their own laws to jail Assange and keep him in jail. That’s very telling. When five, so called democracies/republics, coordinate to break their laws in order to get one person, you know this isn’t a normal case.
 
It seems fruitless to argue with people who hate Assange because facts about him and what he actually did just don’t matter. I will therefore simply say, hate him all you want but this isn’t about Assange. This about your own government and its illegal crimes against another person, a person who exposed two of those governments war crimes.
 
A personal with actual principles defends the rights of others, including people one may, rightly or wrongly, personally hate. Be that person and hold your corrupt, evil governments to account for their actions. “First they came…

paul
paul
Jul 1, 2020 9:53 PM
Reply to  Jill

Then they wonder why people in the NHS just keep their mouths shut instead of whistleblowing when thousands are dying like flies of MRI or dirty blood transfusions in shambolic NHS Trusts.

Dungroanin
Dungroanin
Jul 1, 2020 1:53 PM

Consortium News of course had this a week ago.

Joe Lauria is the go to on the greatest political prisoner of this century.

https://consortiumnews.com/2020/06/24/assange-extradition-assange-hit-with-new-superseding-indictment-broadening-computer-intrusion-charges/

The peerless late Robert Parry made his whole career on whistleblowers.

No doubt many here would happily have seen him prosecuted too!

I am waiting to see if this is yet another DoJ internal anti-Trump coup continuation or whether AG Barr is pushing it. It seems they have overplayed their hand.

One thing is absolutely certain now – that the extradition charges are political and vindictive with unreliable witnesses and even the thickest of ‘barristers’, can’t allow the extradition to proceed.

Moneycircus
Moneycircus
Jul 1, 2020 1:25 PM

UK Column on air – Boris Johnson announces spending plans/ subsidies for oligarchs/ The Great Reset. Mysteriously the Corporatist Media almost totally ignored the PM’s infrastructure spending plan announced on Jun 30th… Hmm, to whom do they answer?
 
The Daily Mirror says “It’s not enough to save our jobs”… fair point. The FT ignores it, The Guardian takes the Mickey: Psychic energy in, newt counters out: Boris Johnson’s magic economic potion.
 
In other news, Theresa May is very angry at Mark Sedwill’s replacement. Jonathan Powell, Blair’s senior advisor, accuses Dominic Cummings of “a rolling coup”.


Bill Mates
Bill Mates
Jul 1, 2020 1:02 PM

There’s so many inconsistencies to this saga .
Assange has the evidence to sink all the anti-Trump manoeuvring in the USA .
But nobody talks to him about it , and he doesn’t talk .
Armen Kamphius disappears and no one follows up , why ?
If the authorities wanted to silence this matter it would be simple to achieve , and yet it rumbles on at sporadic intervals .
His main supporter Craig also won’t talk to save Trump , what ethical position is that ? Ditto the current blm psyop , and yet he is happy to rail against anything English .
It all seems very suspicious to me .

sharon marlowe
sharon marlowe
Jul 1, 2020 1:16 PM
Reply to  Bill Mates

lol Save Trump from what? Is there a plot to stop him from golfing?

Bill Mates
Bill Mates
Jul 1, 2020 5:28 PM
Reply to  sharon marlowe

The issue is surely one of ethical/moral behaviour in those how seek to influence the public realm .
No matter which side of political persuasion one gravitates to , there is no doubt the seeds of all the present chaos were sown by the dnc/rino/deepstate response to the Trump win , all based on the phoney Russia BS , it’s then been perpetuated into the bogus impeachment etc . 4 years of political deadlock and grand scale scheming could have been avoided if people with the inside knowledge had come forward honourably .
But those people would rather chaos ensued in the misbegotten hope that a fantasy caring socialist agenda would take over rather than do the right thing .
Personally I judge people on their actions than by the group they identify with .
 
 
 

The Dude Abides
The Dude Abides
Jul 1, 2020 5:43 PM
Reply to  Bill Mates

4 years of political deadlock like email gate or benghazi? No one on the other side cried foul when the last president was effectively barred from appointing a Supreme Court justice.
 
It’s a 2 way street and simpletons (no offense) always favor one side over the other. This is by design of course, but people are sheep and flock to whoever strokes their ego most. The supposed opposition brands Trump a vile racist and the SJW’s rally against him. Trump hates on immigrants and the nationalists rally to him. Divide and conquer’s the name of the game and most are happy to play.
 
The answer is of course to root out all hypocrisy and set truth as the standard. But this won’t happen because most people are too ignorant or hateful to do the right thing.

Bill Mates
Bill Mates
Jul 1, 2020 7:52 PM

By any measure the political shenanigans of the last four years have been exceptional . The treatment of kavanagh exceeded anything in the previous admin . Ditto emailgate or Benghazi , jailable offences but the perps go undiminished . whether it’s all Hollywood, who knows ?
 
The point is not about Trump but about what’s really going on with Assange and his main supporters .
 
Any sign of Kamphius ? , maybe he just got lost ?

sharon marlowe
sharon marlowe
Jul 1, 2020 7:17 PM
Reply to  Bill Mates

Sure, I’ve been watching the Trump-supporter viewpoint. That Trump is fighting against the “leftists” who are somehow still imperialists. That the “socialists”, who strangely want to overthrow Maduro, are causing all the ruckus. Yep, I’ve watched all four seasons so far of the grand TV show. Trump being the main character is always put into these cliffhanger situations and somehow gets out of it. That’s a pretty good show when the audience keeps thinking the main character is really in danger. I mean, they even have the audience thinking the show won’t be renewed in the fall. That they’ve got a new show to take its time slot called “Creepy Joe”.
You shouldn’t worry though, I think the Trump show’s ratings are too high to be replaced;)

Lost in a dark wood
Lost in a dark wood
Jul 1, 2020 4:53 PM
Reply to  Bill Mates

The Trump deep-state seems to have things under control. For instance, they recently brushed aside a much hyped, colour revolution. See:
https://off-guardian.org/2020/06/15/beware-the-hijacking-of-us-protests-into-a-color-revolution/#comment-192153
 

Bill Mates
Bill Mates
Jul 1, 2020 5:43 PM

Certainly there is no telling if Trump is genuine , or just the demolition man drafted in to oversee the chaos and great reset .
There are so many factions and vested interests , down here in the undergrowth we will probably never know .
But the wilful degrading of society economically and spiritually by significant players without any concern for the trust honestly placed in them by the public is really so complete that there is no where to turn for a breakout .
 
ps still no word on Kamphius

Lost in a dark wood
Lost in a dark wood
Jul 1, 2020 11:02 PM
Reply to  Bill Mates

Re: Assange has the evidence to sink all the anti-Trump manoeuvring in the USA
 
The Trump deep-state already has all the evidence it needs, but given the media dominance of the CIA deep-state, it has to be cautious about how it manages the prosecution (see John Durham). A couple of years ago I thought a deal had been struck and there would be no prosecutions. But the attempted revolution (Covid911/BLM) has taken things too far.

 
https://qmap.pub/players/read/117
John Durham
#117
Durham
Patriot
John Durham is the United States Attorney for the District of Connecticut. He is best known for leading an inquiry into allegations that FBI agents and Boston police had ties with the mob and his appointment as special prosecutor regarding the 2005 CIA interrogation tapes destruction. AG Barr recently appointed Duram to investigate the origins of the Russia collusion probe (spygate).

Jaun
Jaun
Jul 1, 2020 11:56 AM

I’ve been a fan of OffGuardian since the first website (The Guardian) but honestly it has become too radical for my liking. Julian Assange is nothing more than a common criminal. He hacked, looked and even impersonated my on my gmail. Lock him up, I say!

sharon marlowe
sharon marlowe
Jul 1, 2020 12:56 PM
Reply to  Jaun

Wow! Julian Assange impersonated you? I’ve got to hear this story. Did you write about it somewhere?

tonyopmoc
tonyopmoc
Jul 1, 2020 1:02 PM
Reply to  Jaun

why should he be interested in you juan?

gordon
gordon
Jul 1, 2020 10:03 AM

he helped shape the terrain
he terra formed the landscape
with his m i chums @ the guardian owned by the folks that paid for the knesset
 
he helped trigger the anger on the streets of arab b
added fuel to the fires that where started in chatham house brookings future take down projects arab spring
 
 
what did he say about the tip of the spear the ground zero of data hack collection world wide what did he say about israel
a big heap of nuttin
he helped destroy countries that did not want to pay tribute to pale white satanists
did not want the 11 shot vaccines and gmo
 
we are all defined by the 9 and 11 talmud ritual
he said it is not important
nothing 2 sea here hare here
here hare here
 
 
god bless christopher bollyn who names the names
 
assange project coded oded yinon mappa

White Horse Mountain
White Horse Mountain
Jul 1, 2020 10:00 AM

He is safe in Bellmarsh.

The UK could have handed him over to the stinking Septic Tanks at any moment the past few years but haven’t. If the Democrats were to win the US presidency this fall then his life might be instantly shortened. That is unlikely. No folks, at the moment it seems to me that Snowden and Assange are destined to be united quite gloriously. But then they might bith be popped and likely together. The Two Witnesses are likely Snowden and Assange.

In the meanwhile…

If you want to avoid damage by Sars-cov-2 take Milk Thistle.

Dr NG Maroudas
Dr NG Maroudas
Jul 1, 2020 11:03 AM

“If you want to avoid damage by Sars-cov-2 take Milk Thistle.”
 
Yet another Con19 crank.
 
To avoid damage by Milk Thistle drink White Horse.

P R Ivy
P R Ivy
Jul 1, 2020 1:43 PM

Asssange is serving as the deterrent for anyone thinking about blowing the whistle on anythin really, covid19 springs to mind, I like to think that there are more “good” people with honourable intentions inside govt than bad actors, blowing the whistle is a life ruining act, nobody returns to normal life and any one who is daring to think about only has to look at Assange in Belmarsh.
 
I don’t hold much hope out for Simon Dolan et al with his JR tomorrow, but one never knows, a friend of mine is convinced that the court will rule against the Govt, Boris will be forced to resign, they will parachute “stoogie” Stamer in who will without blinking an eye, revoke article 40, I think it is a probability but too extravagant to stop Brexit, But having said that, how else can the “city of westminster” bring down Boris and prevent Brexit? Those thinking Brexit is going to happen, I feel sorry for them, but I have never believed we have a democracy, its bollocks form head to tail. But it is going to be interesting to see how they get rid of Boris and his 80 seat? majority.
 
 
 

Eric McCoo
Eric McCoo
Jul 1, 2020 9:36 AM

Wikileaks is a psyop. Asssange isn’t a journalist, he’s a computer hacker to trade.
 
Computer security research funded by the NSA, not journalism
 
 
‘Julian told me his graduate work had been funded by a US government grant, specifically NSA and DARPA money, which was supposed to be used for fundamental security research’.
 
https://pando.com/2013/09/14/how-the-us-government-inadvertently-created-wikileaks/
 
 

Dr NG Maroudas
Dr NG Maroudas
Jul 1, 2020 11:10 AM
Reply to  Eric McCoo

“CIAgent”. Another misdirection by The Short-sited Mr.McCoo.
 
Now wait for some Guardianista to spout, “Narcissist”.

Eric McCoo
Eric McCoo
Jul 1, 2020 11:13 AM
Reply to  Dr NG Maroudas

‘WikiLeaks: The Guardian’s role in the biggest leak in the history of the world by Alan Rusbridger
 
In an extract from ‘WikiLeaks: Inside Julian Assange’s war on secrecy, the Guardian’s editor-in-chief explains why Assange remains such an important figure
 
https://www.theguardian.com/media/2011/jan/28/wikileaks-julian-assange-alan-rusbridger
 
The book was written by David Leigh and Luke Harding, the very same (MI6) guy who wrote the Manafort story. Assange stayed in Leigh’s house. Very cosy.

Moneycircus
Moneycircus
Jul 1, 2020 11:50 AM
Reply to  Dr NG Maroudas

How the US government inadvertently created Wikileaks 
Of course everything the U.S. does is inadvertent… the dashing look, long chinned with a flick of hair, honest to a fault, except for the occasional affectation of an aristocratic drawl…
 
Ever since the State Department (CIA) armed and put in power Fidel Castro (Earl T Smith, U.S. ambassador to Cuba from 1957 to 1959). Was that blow back, too?
 
How many inadvertent blow backs can you have before it stops being the oversight of the well-intentioned innocent abroad?

S Cooper
S Cooper
Jul 1, 2020 11:14 AM
Reply to  Eric McCoo

It appears you fail to see the broader/larger picture. Tis a pity.
 
https://www.nps.gov/feha/learn/historyculture/the-trial-of-john-peter-zenger.htm
 

tonyopmoc
tonyopmoc
Jul 1, 2020 11:31 AM
Reply to  Eric McCoo

Maybe you jumped to the wrong conclusion – from your link..
 
“According to Julian, the US government cast such a wide net that even general scientific research, whose output had always been published openly, was swept up in America’s secrecy nets. As you can imagine this did not sit well with Julian, because his work had also been funded by one of these fundamental research funding lines and yanked.
So here you have a non-US citizen at a foreign university doing graduate work studies, and the United States government came barreling in and not only snuffed out the funding and killed his studies, it also barred him from knowing what it was he had been funded to research.
It was at that moment, Julian told me, that he decided he would devote himself to exposing organizations that attempted to keep secrets and withhold information in an effort keep the masses ignorant and disadvantaged.”
 
I think Assange is legit, and yes, I think it is highly probable that that he did work for an Intelligence Service. I don’t see how anyone could fake what has happened to him over the past 10 years, and totally fool the likes of Craig Murray. I accept I could be wrong, and I also think his primary function is to scare the hell out of any other potential whistleblowers.. Many such whistleblowers have worked for Security Services, and have been disposed of or jailed for years. Security Services were largely perceived in a far better light 30 years ago, and quite normal people such as Annie McMahon would join them.
http://www.renegadetribune.com/annie-mcmahon-revealing-secrets-of-how-mi5-mi6-work/
 
I am disappointed, that Assange always evaded telling the truth about 9/11 which he quite obviously knows, as can be seen in his nervousness answering questions. However, he may very well have been warned, and believed that if he gave the wrong answer, he would receive a bullet in his head, or a very deadly form of cancer.
 
Tony

Eric McCoo
Eric McCoo
Jul 1, 2020 11:39 AM
Reply to  tonyopmoc

He was funded by the NSA and DARPA. No honest, decent person would do that. Only a spook would do that. This was when he had just been busted for hacking and mysteriously sprung from a 10 year prison sentence. Presumably by American intelligence.
 
 
 
Assange, facing a potential sentence of ten years in prison, found the state’s reaction confounding.
 
 
Assange’s only penalty was to pay the Australian state a small sum in damages.
 
 
https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2010/06/07/no-secrets
 
 

tonyopmoc
tonyopmoc
Jul 1, 2020 12:57 PM
Reply to  Eric McCoo

That’s total bollocks. I have been following the activities of Julian Assange, since before almost anyone including Craig Murray had ever heard of him. Like everything a lot of his history has been rewritten by Americans, most of who’m had never heard of him either. I later witnessed him, almost live, being sucked in to a CIA Swedish honeytrap. The daft bugger fell for it. I knew he was innocent, cos I read the girls text messages, which were also published in the swedish version of the Sun Aftonbladet

Tony

breweriana
breweriana
Jul 1, 2020 6:03 PM
Reply to  tonyopmoc

Julian Assange, Craig Murray
They both p**s in the same pot.

Calamity Jane
Calamity Jane
Jul 1, 2020 7:10 PM
Reply to  breweriana

The CIA honeypot.

paul
paul
Jul 1, 2020 10:03 PM
Reply to  Eric McCoo

This may be partly true without changing the general picture.
When Wikileaks set up shop, most of their initial revelations were about African countries and the Central Asian Republics, with 900,000 of its first 10 million pages being critical material on Russia.
And virtually nothing on Israel or 9/11.
It was initially suspected of being a CIA Front.
That could still be true, with Assange subsequently going off the reservation and biting the hand that fed him.
Sort of like Bin Laden going off script and going rogue.

Eric McCoo
Eric McCoo
Jul 1, 2020 11:47 AM
Reply to  tonyopmoc

My view is that Craig Murray is soft in the head. He’s the SNP’s most fanatical supporter. He thinks Scots should be prepared to take up arms against the English. Craig himself is English. and a former British ambassador !!!!! The SNP refused his offer to be a candidate.
 
“There is going to be no process of Independence agreed with the British government. We have to take Independence, not beg for it. At some stage, there is always the danger that the British government may try to react by sending in the British Army to enforce Westminster’s will. If we believe we are an independent nation, we have to be prepared to defend ourselves as an independent state should the worst happen.
 
Calling a confirmatory referendum as the first act of the Independent state would make it difficult for Johnson to justify sending in the British Army to try to prevent it, but we cannot rule it out. Hopefully that will not involve anyone getting killed, but we must be plain that Westminster will never voluntarily allow us to leave and may physically attack us if we try.
 
 
https://www.craigmurray.org.uk/archives/2020/01/westminster-cannot-block-scottish-independence/

tonyopmoc
tonyopmoc
Jul 1, 2020 12:58 PM
Reply to  Eric McCoo

I can’t disagree with you there.

Calamity Jane
Calamity Jane
Jul 1, 2020 7:09 PM
Reply to  tonyopmoc

Yes Tony that makes no sense as an enemy of CIA t why did he not have a bullet like other enemies.Why instead is he a media hero celebrity swanning around an Embassy in London for years . He was not “handled” to talk about 911.

Tony
Tony
Jul 1, 2020 8:59 PM
Reply to  Calamity Jane

“swanning around” in a granny flat in a small corner of the Equadorian embassy for eight years of the prime of his life. LOL, you’re funny.
 
It has been explained to you shills and daft conspiracy theorists over and over again, that Julian Assange is being made an example of to stop others from doing what he did. A bullet to the head, and he would quickly be forgotten.
 
Wikileaks publishes leaked material. It’s more than highly unlikely that any bombshell/smoking gun info on 9/11 has been made available to lower level security services workers to leak. So why do shills and conspiracy theorists prattle on that Wikileaks has no credibility because it won’t change it’s format from a publisher to a provider of op-eds? It’s about as silly an argument as an argument can get.
 
But shills are shills, and daft conspiracy theorists are daft conspiracy theorists. No amount of logic or fact will change that.

Calamity Jane
Calamity Jane
Jul 1, 2020 7:05 PM
Reply to  Eric McCoo

Agree Eric Wikileaks is a CIA honey pot and hes*(a CIA agent )was made a celeb” freedom” fighter by media .Funny stuff really.

Donald Duck
Donald Duck
Jul 1, 2020 8:58 AM

As usual when the powers-that-be want to fit-up an irritant political gadfly like Assange they employ a type of opaque and unreadable (legal) language. Their written deliberations are not intended to clarify but to obscure. Thus we get the high-falutin BS as delineated above. They obviously can’t just say we are going to torture Assange to death so they have to bury the message in what amounts to a load of verbiage.
 
George Orwell writes in this connexion, but instead of the NKVD we have the CIA.
 
”Consider, for example some English professor defending Russian totalitarianism. He cannot say outright:
 
‘ I believe that killing off your opponents when you can get good results by doing so.’
 
More likely he would probably say something more like the following:
 
‘Whilst freely conceding that the Soviet regime exhibits certain which the humanitarian would be inclined to deplore, we must, I think we agree that a certain curtailment to the right of political opposition is an unavoidable concomitant of transitional periods, and that the rigours that the Russian people have been called upon to undergo have been amply justified in the sphere of concrete achievement.’
 
”Thus a mass of Latin words falls upon the facts like soft snow, blurring the outlines and covering up the details. The great enemy of clear language is insincerity. When there is a gap between one’s real and one’s declared aims, one turns as it were instinctively to long words and exhausted idioms.”
 
”Politics and the English Language – p.153.”
 
That pretty much nails it. The Anglo-American authorities obviously cannot say we are going to torture and liquidate Assange as an example to all troublemakers and enemies of the AZ Empire, as a result the same linguistic manipulations are rolled out as above.

Dr NG Maroudas
Dr NG Maroudas
Jul 1, 2020 11:34 AM
Reply to  Donald Duck

Donald Duck: ” when the powers-that-be want to fit-up an irritant political gadfly … ”
 
… it means that the power they represent is self-destructing.
 
The Gadfly refers to Socrates, fitted up for execution in 399BC, by voters of the Democratic Republic of Athens, Land of the Free and Home of the Brave. By 405BC the Athens had already self destructed by turning into an Empire and hyping unsuccessful expeditions to Egypt and the Med.

Willem
Willem
Jul 1, 2020 7:00 AM

Assange: How much can a man stand?

Many years in almost perfect isolation in an embassy. And now for months in a row in total isolation in a prison (except from a few minutes each day)

I don’t know if a man can stand such horrific torture for years on end and you have to apologize me for thinking that that story is just a bit too incredible.

That doesn’t mean that the treatment that Assange receives from the UK government is fair. Not in the least! – But Assange is, whether he likes it or not, a perfect poster child for despotic regimes who want to show to their people that ‘that is what happens’ when you spill the beans.

Same applies to Snowden who is ‘isolated’ in Russia, of which we all learn what terrible country that is.

Forgive me also for feeling not a lot of sympathy for whistleblowers. They are snitches, and I don’t like people who snitch.

You may also ask: what did they snitch? Did Assange and Snowden tell us anything that we did not know already? – Then why did they take the ‘incredible’ risks?

Antonym
Antonym
Jul 1, 2020 7:42 AM
Reply to  Willem

As deep state DoJ went after its own sitting president – Trump in a totally biased and crooked way, it no surprise it keeps going after whistle blower Assange.
Rational people understand to stop digging when in a hole, but not some judicial clowns.
Atleast medical clowns are beneficial to other humans.

Jim McDonagh
Jim McDonagh
Jul 1, 2020 2:54 PM
Reply to  Antonym

The Obomber regime buried Mr Assange alive , not Trumps gang . As Putin himself pointed out when being interviewed by Oliver Stone. America’s bureaucracy/deep state is unelected and unchanging in its policies over many decades , regardless of who occupies the POTUS throne.
 

Dungroanin
Dungroanin
Jul 1, 2020 8:07 AM
Reply to  Willem

True ‘colors’ showed there Willem.

“SNITCHES“ !!!

Your mask dropped,👺🤥.

Only criminals, playground bullies and cowardly conspirators hate snitches – which are you?

———-

Another Hoisted by his own petard
🤣🤣🤣

Assange will be free within weeks now.

The Dude Abides
The Dude Abides
Jul 1, 2020 4:18 PM
Reply to  Dungroanin

Some people here are hopelessly lost in their own delusions and seek nothing more than to confirm their own inane biases rather than actual truth. It’s sad really.

Mike Ellwood (Oxon, UK)
Mike Ellwood (Oxon, UK)
Jul 1, 2020 4:31 PM
Reply to  Dungroanin

 
 
Dungroanin at  Jul 1, 2020 8:07 AM  said: “Assange will be free within weeks now.”
 
Another hoist by his own hostage to fortune.

Dungroanin
Dungroanin
Jul 2, 2020 5:22 PM

Wishful thinking indeed – if an independent judiciary existed – it would use the new indictment as confirmation of the political nature of the charges and anti freedom of press. Obviously.

Dave
Dave
Jul 1, 2020 9:43 AM
Reply to  Willem

It does feel like part of a show. Thumbs up and one eye closed. Maybe he’s the messiah when they let him out?

gordon
gordon
Jul 1, 2020 10:11 AM
Reply to  Dave

the wink
on a bus last year a queen victoria
exhibition advert
she drove past me every day
winking
 
id magazine
20 years or more hipster fashion high end
the great and the not so good
winking
 
shiny shining
winking
is it code?
 
victoria’s secret
means nothing apart from pants and knickers
does it not
 
did she have a secret untold
do many singers not sing of secrets
never to be told
winking
yes
winking
 
 
winking to the known
who have eyes to sea
already my life

Yossi
Yossi
Jul 1, 2020 10:23 AM
Reply to  Willem

I dedicate this to you Willem.
 

sharon marlowe
sharon marlowe
Jul 1, 2020 11:00 AM
Reply to  Willem

“Forgive me also for feeling not a lot of sympathy for whistleblowers. They are snitches, and I don’t like people who snitch.”
 
What a bizarre statement, Willem. Smedley Butler was a whistleblower. He told us about a plan to overthrow the U.S. government. Was he a snitch? Isn’t it pretty much the job of journalists to snitch? Aren’t people who call the police on criminal activity snitches? Strange statement.

The Dude Abides
The Dude Abides
Jul 1, 2020 4:22 PM
Reply to  sharon marlowe

Someone like Willem only cares when the snitch benefits his own side, in which case the snitch becomes a brave hero risking life and limb for the greater good.

sharon marlowe
sharon marlowe
Jul 1, 2020 7:47 PM

I’ve read Willem before. He usually writes pretty good stuff:)

Jim McDonagh
Jim McDonagh
Jul 1, 2020 5:00 PM
Reply to  sharon marlowe

Smedley Butler spoke as a former General with considerable support from the military when he pointed out to the robber barons of that era that he and by extension the military would not support the proposed coup against FDR . General Butler was no snitch , nor did he blow any whistles ?

sharon marlowe
sharon marlowe
Jul 1, 2020 6:18 PM
Reply to  Jim McDonagh

It doesn’t matter who supports you or what position you hold, Jim. When Butler informed on McGuire, then Butler was a snitch to McGuire and all the business men who McGuire was speaking for. For the gangster, it doesn’t matter who you are. If you report or inform on gangster activity then you’re a snitch.

Jim McDonagh
Jim McDonagh
Jul 1, 2020 7:03 PM
Reply to  sharon marlowe

Snitch is a slang word for paid informer . To attempt to widen its meaning to serve some political purpose is to muddy already turbid waters. What Willem intended by applying it to these 3 “whistleblowers “, a rude term with sexual connotations for many, who knows ? It appears English is not his primary language.

sharon marlowe
sharon marlowe
Jul 1, 2020 7:34 PM
Reply to  Jim McDonagh

A snitch is just a derogatory term for informer. Having to be “paid” is your add-on. And whistleblower doesn’t have any sexual connotation–where on earth are you getting this from? lol Whistleblower just comes from blowing a whistle to alert people of something.

Jim McDonagh
Jim McDonagh
Jul 1, 2020 10:27 PM
Reply to  sharon marlowe

Clearly your political convictions occlude your view of reality? Either that or you just don’t get out much? Whistle-blower is also a homosexual reference indulged in with much mirth by some elements of society particularly in the case of Bradly Manning..

sharon marlowe
sharon marlowe
Jul 1, 2020 10:49 PM
Reply to  Jim McDonagh

lol okay:D

Kalen
Kalen
Jul 1, 2020 5:16 PM
Reply to  sharon marlowe

Is that not a fact that snitch informs on people driven by some personal benefit or to shift the blame and save their own ass from being held accountable by authority. If true Assange is no snitch.

How releasing truthful but secret information to public which has no executive authority of any kind under current western regimes to impose any consequences on subjects of “snitching” can be called snitching as those supposedly snitched upon may never face any legal or administrative consequences despite disclosure. And they don’t.

How many soldiers were investigated or prosecuted or executed because of Manning disclosure. Assange was never snitch or whistleblower. He is editor and journalist who in fact shared his information with NYT and WaPo snitches and others who in-fact published reports first and then snitched on Assange demanding his arrest for publication of the same information.

The only consequences of Snowden disclosure of NSA criminality was to make it legal retroactively, with few benefits for him like book but massive vilifying him in US and a threat of long prison. It was public consciousness that changed as this kind of old mass spying conspiracy became another conspiracy fact and that collapse government credibility.

Whistleblowers serve public awareness of crimes committed under criminally motivated secrecy I.e conspiracy among powerful gov, oligarchs or corporations.

Whistleblowers break censorship, controlling population information flows and monopoly of narratives that are used to justify horrific public policies that hurt ordinary people economically and politically. Snitches inform as ordered by authorities on other people, said authorities are after. Manning and Assange did not do that even if gov knew about those atrocities.

I think Willem lost his rational mind on that, blind to the fact that there were few whistleblowers who first pointed out disproportionate response and horror of deadly COVID protocols and treatment supported by facts that spurred healthy skepticism of many.

What’s worse in fact is that himself being sort of a whistleblower by disclosing in his comments appalling irrational, herd attitude of medical professionals to COVID. Or he would rather be called snitch.

sharon marlowe
sharon marlowe
Jul 1, 2020 6:48 PM
Reply to  Kalen

Upvote for your comment, Kalen. But I want to touch upon the idea of a snitch.
 
Is that not a fact that snitch informs on people driven by some personal benefit or to shift the blame and save their own ass from being held accountable by authority.”
 
I think the snitch can be both of those things as well as a whistleblower, informer, reporter, hero, etc.
A “snitch” is a derogatory term for a reporter, concerned citizen, a good neighbor, and whistleblower. A snitch can also be a self-serving informant responsible for the arrest, torture and murder of their neighbors and fellow citizens. All coming down to ‘context matters’:)

Jim McDonagh
Jim McDonagh
Jul 1, 2020 7:09 PM
Reply to  Kalen

I agree with you for the most part but must point out that Mr Assange is unsuited for this work. Snitch and whistle blower are not synonymous, other than both are derogatory when used in political discussion…

Calamity Jane
Calamity Jane
Jul 1, 2020 7:18 PM
Reply to  Kalen

How can a CIA agent be a snitch?
Hes more like a fraud.

Calamity Jane
Calamity Jane
Jul 1, 2020 9:55 PM
Reply to  Kalen
Calamity Jane
Calamity Jane
Jul 1, 2020 7:16 PM
Reply to  sharon marlowe

Hes not a snitch hes a CIA agent. Note he leaked nothing the CIA didn’t want him to useless unverified info.
The information was desired to be leaked and just made people fearful.
 

sharon marlowe
sharon marlowe
Jul 1, 2020 7:44 PM
Reply to  Calamity Jane

Could be a CIA agent. I’m open to any evidence:)

Calamity Jane
Calamity Jane
Jul 1, 2020 9:59 PM
Reply to  sharon marlowe

No you are not “sharon” not open to evidence as you take what the Media tells you about Assange (lies and alt right propaganda) to be the truth.
What media has told you about him ( and about CIA’s honey pot Wikileaks) you believe it .

sharon marlowe
sharon marlowe
Jul 1, 2020 10:50 PM
Reply to  Calamity Jane

lol Just Sharon, you don’t need the quotes, crazy Jane:D

Jim McDonagh
Jim McDonagh
Jul 1, 2020 2:49 PM
Reply to  Willem

it appears you have offended many here who suffer from cognitive dissonance when it comes to snitches like Mr Manning , Assange , and Snowden to name the most widely known . All 3 had no leadership skills and yet are considered leaders in some sort of resistance that does not exist . All 3 have easily exploited personality defects which were widely employed against them immediately tainting any issues they exposed . Conflation being the propaganda tool of choice in this sorry mess . All 3 have been neutralized at this point and are no longer of any consequence.

Calamity Jane
Calamity Jane
Jul 1, 2020 7:18 PM
Reply to  Jim McDonagh

All CIA agents.

Jim McDonagh
Jim McDonagh
Jul 1, 2020 10:34 PM
Reply to  Calamity Jane

That from CIA’s view Mr Assange etal have and continue to be useful idiots is true. That they are “agents” as the term is understood is nonsense. Lee Harvey Oswald was a CIA agent these days remembered as the “patsy”.

Tony
Tony
Jul 1, 2020 11:39 PM
Reply to  Jim McDonagh

Fuck off security services troll. You try to discredit and destroy our heroes. You will be strung up from lamp posts when the time comes, you fucking human detritus. It’s all you deserve.

Jim McDonagh
Jim McDonagh
Jul 2, 2020 12:10 AM
Reply to  Tony

Tony the phony shuckin for the rich folks as usual ?

Tony
Tony
Jul 2, 2020 1:07 AM
Reply to  Jim McDonagh

Jim Mcdonagh, being paid £9 per hour to post shit on the internet.

Tony
Tony
Jul 1, 2020 11:36 PM
Reply to  Calamity Jane

Fuck off security services troll.

Martin Usher
Martin Usher
Jul 2, 2020 1:04 AM
Reply to  Jim McDonagh

Witness the fact that we all know about Assange and Snowden and Manning but few of us can remember exactly what it was that they revealed that was so important.

Calamity Jane
Calamity Jane
Jul 1, 2020 7:13 PM
Reply to  Willem

Allegedly Willy as that just what the CIA media propaganda channels tell you.
Not everything you hear in news is true or happened.

David Matthews
David Matthews
Jul 1, 2020 7:14 PM
Reply to  Willem

well it’s an upvote from me and I don’t usually up or down vote.
 
Indeed what did either of them tell us that we did not already know at least in broad drift if not fine detail. And 9/11 not an important issue? Not important enough to be taking eyes away from the offerings of wikileaks – really?

Tony
Tony
Jul 1, 2020 11:41 PM
Reply to  David Matthews

Fucking shill. Fuck off scumbag.

Tony
Tony
Jul 2, 2020 12:01 AM
Reply to  Tony

There are more and more security services operatives showing up on OffG, as it becomes more influential. They become ever more shrill in their condemnations of our leading spokespeople, with their nonsense claims that they are all security services assets. This shows us three things:
1) Our leading lights are on the right tracks.
2) The security services are in a conspiracy to target and troll our alt media websites (as confirmed by the leader of the British Army’s 77th brigade.
3) We should dismiss any posters who make posts against our leading lights as, at best, conspiracy theory nutters, but more likely security services trolls.

Tony
Tony
Jul 1, 2020 9:06 PM
Reply to  Willem

Willem, has someone sneaked onto your PC, or nicked your portable device? You are always such a clear and logical poster, but your post above is full of misdirected bile and bad logic. And the last sentence has it’s logic upside down, or to use one of Kit’s excellent turns of phrase, is tonally inverted. You really need to have a good look at yourself on this.

John Pretty
John Pretty
Jul 1, 2020 11:52 PM
Reply to  Willem

“Many years in almost perfect isolation in an embassy.”
 
Hmm, Julian wasn’t that isolated Willem.
 
He did manage to get his end away in there and produced two children.
 
They kept it secret until earlier this year.

Tony
Tony
Jul 2, 2020 1:05 AM
Reply to  John Pretty

John Pretty, the man who presents himself as a guy who inhabits the alt blog btl’s, and was wronged on one of them because he stalked someone there. So now he slags off the outstanding lead blogger from that forum, and another world class leading light of our movement who has been massively persecuted, because he is an associate of the guy who’s btl nipped John Pretty’s stalking in the bud. Another Fuck off Troll moment.

Cliff Edwards
Cliff Edwards
Jul 2, 2020 2:45 PM
Reply to  Willem

How’s your snitching on medical malpractices going, mate?

Gary Weglarz
Gary Weglarz
Jul 1, 2020 6:03 AM

“Reality” – in this matter, as reported and defined by Western MSM – has about as much to do with actual “physical realities” on planet earth – as the typical witchcraft or heretic show trial might have during the Holy Inquisition in medieval Europe.
 
Replace the brutal. corrupt and amoral officialdom of Holy Mother Church with the current brutal, corrupt and amoral officialdom at the helm of our so called Western “democracies” – include a healthy mix of psychological and physical torture of the modern “heretic” – and “voila” – the bloody mask of of Western “civilization” dissolves. Leaving only a blood drenched grinning skull staring back in utter “full-spectrum-dominance” madness – at any who might dare gaze honestly on this obscene spectacle.

Moneycircus
Moneycircus
Jul 1, 2020 5:59 AM

“Assange encouraged young people to “join the CIA. Go in there. Go into the ballpark and get the ball and bring it out—with the understanding, with the paranoia, that all those organizations will be infiltrated by this generation, by an ideology that is spread across the Internet. And every young person is educated on the Internet”.” — Shadowproof.
 
The irony being, rather than bringing the light of day into the CIA, the Feds spread their darkness over the hacker group LulzSec. 
Far from the ‘hactivists’ portrayed in papers like The Guardshits, these hackers were likely infiltrated from the start – and perhaps even fronts for the Feds.

Jim McDonagh
Jim McDonagh
Jul 1, 2020 3:00 PM
Reply to  Moneycircus

GK Chesterton an old Victorian wrote the book on this state of affairs more than a century ago ,”The Man Who Was Thursday” . His revolutionary eventually discovers that everyone else in his group of dissident is in fact a government agent of some sort.
 

Calamity Jane
Calamity Jane
Jul 1, 2020 7:21 PM
Reply to  Moneycircus

Of course he is a CIA agent that was at the time his job in the CIA . Now his job is to pretend to be a hero victim while the CIA parade him around as a celebrity poster boy for ” freedom”