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The Sacking of Gough Whitlam and the Royal Intention Behind the Five Eyes

Matthew Ehret

An important reckoning with a great historical injustice is underway in Australia which presents the world with a rare opportunity to look into the darker corners of the corridors of power too often ignored by even the most ardent truth seekers among us.

This reckoning has taken the form of a four-year, hard fought legal battle which a lone crowd funded Australian historian named Jenny Hocking waged in the highest courts of her nation to win the right on May 30, 2020 to make 211 secret letters held within Australia’s National Archives public for the first time since they were deposited in 1978.

These palace letters were written between the Queen of England (via her personal secretary) and her Governor General in Australia Sir John Kerr during the latter’s tenure as official Head of State during the interim of 1974-1978 and until last week’s court ruling, were intended to be kept hidden until December 8, 2037.

What makes these letters such a point of national controversy is that they contain information which will undoubtedly shed light upon the active role of the Queen herself in carrying out an act which essentially amounted to a modern coup d’état of November 11, 1975. During this sad period, Kerr made history by not only sacking the elected Prime Minister Gough Whitlam, but also revealed the scope and nature of the British Monarchy’s very real powers in our modern age.

These are bizarre god-like prerogative powers which those forces controlling today’s globally extended empire would much rather keep concealed from public view.

Gough Whitlam: An Intolerable Threat to the Empire

It is admittedly difficult for some westerners to contemplate how a white Commonwealth prime minister could suffer a coup in our modern times… are not coups usually something reserved for Asiatic, Latin American, or African revolutionary leaders?

When one looks upon a list of coups during the Cold War period, that has certainly tended to be the general rule… but like every rule, exceptions are always to be found.

By reviewing the nature of Whitlam’s political struggle, his policy reforms and greater vision for Australia, it becomes clear what sort of enemy he made and why the highest powers of the Five Eyes and Global Empire ousted him.

Before his December 2, 1972 victory, Gough Whitlam gave a brilliant speech which set him aside from the typical slavish pro-imperial stooges who tended to litter Australia’s political elite when he said in November 1972:

The decision we will make for our country on 2 December is a choice between the past and the future, between the habits and fears of the past, and the demands and opportunities of the future. There are moments in history when the whole fate and future of nations can be decided by a single decision. For Australia, this is such a time. It’s time for a new team, a new program, a new drive for equality of opportunities: it’s time to create new opportunities for Australians, time for a new vision of what we can achieve in this generation for our nation and the region in which we live. It’s time for a new government- a Labor Government.

Whitlam launched into his role as Prime Minister as a progressive juggernaut who revolutionized literally every aspect of Australian society, awakening a deep-seated yearning for true independence and taking on some of the largest power structures of the Anglo-American empire. Just to appreciate the scale of these reforms, let us review a few of them here.

  1. Days after his election, Whitlam began negotiations to establish full diplomatic relations with Mainland China, breaking off relations with Taiwan.
  2. Conscription which had forced thousands of young Australians to Vietnam was ended, Australia ended its participation in the war, imprisoned draft dodgers were released and the death penalty was abolished.
  3. A committee was created with the full backing of the federal government to enforce equal pay for men and women while free universities as well as free health insurance were begun.
  4. Whitlam began sanctioning Apartheid South Africa while banning all sports teams which practiced racial discrimination.
  5. Large scale urban renewal programs were launched extending modern sewage systems to all urban centers, while new roads, rail, electrification and flood prevention programs were built. Highways linked of Australia’s capitals for the first time and standard gauge rail was established to accelerate continental development strategies (whether Africa or Australia, the British Empire never permitted common rail gauges in order to prevent internal development while keeping its “possessions” reliant on maritime trade).
  6. On aboriginal rights, Whitlam tackled the injustices of colonialism by granting natives the right to own their traditional lands and granted independence to Papua New Guinea.
  7. Culturally, he kindled a sense of independence from British Imperial traditions by replacing God Save the Queen with a new national anthem and patronized a National Art Gallery.

Standing up to the Five Eyes and Multinational Cartels

Within the first weeks of 1973, Whitlam’s team soon discovered the insidious nature of the international Five Eyes intelligence organization and upon discovering the scope of MI6/CIA operations in Australia, ordered a crackdown on the Australian Security and Intelligence Organization (ASIO) on March 13, 1973 under the authority of Attorney General Lionel Murphy. In his June 1st report on Consortium News, investigative reporter John Pilger stated: “Gough Whitlam knew the risk he was taking. The day after his election, he ordered that his staff should no longer be “vetted or harassed” by the Australian security organisation, ASIO, which was then, as now, tied to Anglo-American intelligence.”

In a 2014 report, Pilger made the point that Whitlam had received a secret telex message from William Shackly (head of the CIA’s East Asia division) calling him a “security threat” on November 10, 1975, and before he could make these facts known to the parliament the next day, Whitlam was promptly called into the Governor General’s office where he was promptly fired under royal decree.

Whitlam’s most unforgivable of sins was the policy to “buy back the farm” to take back control of Australia’s resources- 62% of which were own by multinational cartels such as London’s Rio Tinto. Whitlam sought loans to buy Australia’s resources not from western banking sources in London or Wall Street but rather Middle Eastern nations who were awash in cash during the oil price increases of 1973-75. According to Minerals and Energy Minister Rex Connor, the loans were designed for 20 years and tied to large scale national development mega projects which would have extinguished the $4.5 billion of debt incurred. This process would have worked in a similar manner to the debt repayment process of FDR’s New Deal projects of the 1930s, JFK’s Apollo program of the 1960s or China’s Belt and Road Initiative of our modern age.

Why the disclosure still may not happen

In spite of the fact that the High Court ruled that the palace letters could now be accessed, the prerogative to follow the court’s orders is still left to the discretion of the head of the National Archives David Fricker- a strange character who has shown a decade of resistance to professor Hocking and even the High Court, telling ABC News: “We are not like a library or a museum.. I am required to diligently go through those things and just make sure that our release of these records is responsible, it’s ethical and it complies with the law.” Perhaps Fricker’s former job as Deputy Director of the ASIO may have something to do with this resistance.

While Fricker and other opponents of the letters’ release make the claim that they are merely personal correspondences of a private nature, Sir Edward Young (Personal secretary to the Queen) has demonstrated this to be a fraud as he cried out that their declassification “could damage not only international relations but also the trusting relationship between Her Majesty and her representatives overseas”. How could benign “personal correspondences” do that?

In a June 1st blog, Professor Hocking stated “It is surely an unusual position for the National Archives, which describes itself as a ‘pro-disclosure organisation’, to contest this action at significant expense – initially of almost one million dollars – at a time of severe budget and staff cuts”. She also made the point that “before lodging them in the Archives, the letters had been kept by Smith in the Government House ‘strong room under absolute security’ again in an official capacity, which scarcely suggested the letters were ‘personal’.”

What does the Empire have to fear?

The British Empire has worked very hard over the years to portray the image that the Crown is a benign symbol of conservative values without any real power and that the British Empire is a mere relic of the past. If anything critical is permitted to seep through the cracks of a squeeky clean veneer of austere traditional values, then Britain’s propagandists in the mainstream media and academia are sure to spin information in such a manner as to convey the idea that Britain is merely a second ringer to the real global villain: America.

The true story of Whitlam’s sacking, and the Crown’s active hand as an invisible yet real force shaping world imperial policy (including the Five Eyes) is an uncomfortable fact which imperial strategists would prefer forever remain in the shadows.

In the next segment of this story, we will delve more deeply into the real nature of the British Empire as a very active, very powerful, albeit (usually) very invisible force shaping current world affairs.

Originally published by Strategic Culture

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Stregs
Stregs
Jul 7, 2020 12:35 PM

‘The City of London Corporation’ is the head of the snake. The monarch holds a golden share, in all corporations that were once govt bodies but were privatised to avoid public scrutiny, with veto power. The u.s are mere tax cows and grunt muscle, nothing more

Ligaff.
Ligaff.
Jul 5, 2020 11:19 PM

All well and good but fails to mention the Hawke government introducing and passing The Australia Act 1986 specifically to counter the Queen and her UK governments ability to directly influence an elected Australian government through constitutional means.
http://www8.austlii.edu.au/cgi-bin/viewdb/au/legis/cth/num_act/aa1986114/

I draw attention specifically to sections,
1. Termination of power of Parliament of United Kingdom to legislate for Australia
7. Powers and functions of Her Majesty and Governors in respect of States
10. Termination of responsibility of United Kingdom Government in relation to State matters
11. Termination of appeals to Her Majesty in Council
12. Amendment of Statute of Westminster

The only legal power Lizzie Mountbatten now has over Australia or any Australian government, state of federal, is symbolically approving the PM’s recommendation for GG.

Despite what the Australian Republic movement will tell you …. that’s it.

Of course this doesn’t rule out any monetary incentives through the corrupt corporate “Game of Mates”,
https://gameofmates.com/
…. which is how Australia is actually run …. that Lizzie, her family and their corporate interests … or any corporation for that matter …. may exert.

These letters should be on the public record in any case, so that Australians can know what Lizzie and her government did to us when they had the constitutional power to do so, and how the super wealthy look upon and treat the unwashed masses and our institutions in general.

peterbro
peterbro
Jul 6, 2020 2:50 PM
Reply to  Ligaff.

The Constitution of the Commonwealth of Australia is an act of the UK Parliament, and only has effect because of that fact. That part of the UK Act can only be changed by the people of the Commonwealth of Australia by referendum.
The Constitution that supposedly is in effect within the jurisdiction of Australia is only one section of the UK Act.
 
The constitutional status for the political jurisdiction known as Australia, and also for the territorial jurisdiction of the various States is such a mess that any determination of what the basis of law is will be incorporating fiction and non-truths.
 
In fact, the act to federate that came into effect in 1901 federated the 6 colonies into one colony, which made it easier for the UK Colonial Office to administer.
 
FOIs that have sought the document that transferred power from the Queen of the UK to the Queen of Australia resulted in the official declaration that those documents do not exist, so any transfer of power to such office has occurred ab initio and is void.
 
Look at the unchallenged powers the State executives have claimed they have to enforce this current and unprecedented lockdown.
 
The current system of “government” is not what it is presented to be, but is founded on presumptions of convenience, fictions of law, deceptions, fraudulent concealments, constructive trusts, and there is bound to be other apt descriptions.

wardropper
wardropper
Jul 5, 2020 10:00 PM

I get the impression that any “Royal Intention” is a pretty spurious phrase by now. Elizabeth, bless her, has been a rock of dogged patience throughout all sorts of family crises over many decades, and within the extremely narrow confines of her job description, she gets full marks. Mission accomplished, and duty done.
However, she is no longer a young, or even middle-aged woman, and I imagine Her Majesty’s main Royal Intention at the moment is to outlive all her offspring.

Arby
Arby
Jul 5, 2020 12:39 PM

I don’t read to read Matthew Ehret’s articles. I find him to be off. 

wardropper
wardropper
Jul 5, 2020 10:06 PM
Reply to  Arby

I find unsubstantiated comments to be a bit off too, but thank you for your time, Mr. Murdoch.

Gwyn
Gwyn
Jul 5, 2020 10:04 AM

The greatest trick the Devil ever pulled was convincing people that the British Empire had come to an end.

Arby
Arby
Jul 5, 2020 12:45 PM
Reply to  Gwyn

How could it have come to an end while the American empire is extant? They are a duo, at least according to the Christian Bible. Without the benefit of that information, I would have said that the US and Israel are a duo. Then again, Israel only exists because the US needs it to. The UK gave rise to the US and then the US surpassed it in strength but they work together to enslave the planet. That duo world power is chugging along nicely but will be stopped in its tracks by Jehovah God. They don’t see it coming and that’s ironic. They’ve convinced themselves that because they have technology and have beaten us, they really are all-seeing, all-knowing and all-powerful. Let them fill up their measure, be judged and then be destroyed so that peace-loving people can have their home back.
 
 

Gwyn
Gwyn
Jul 5, 2020 1:24 PM
Reply to  Arby

They’re clearly working to enslave the planet, but I believe that the orders come via the City of London (and that the USA is a subsidiary of the British Empire).

Stregs
Stregs
Jul 7, 2020 12:53 PM
Reply to  Gwyn

Just a rebrand is all it was. Times were changing with colonialism going out of vogue, so in order to contain any reputational damage the ‘british empire’ rebranded to ‘u.s superpower’

martin
martin
Jul 5, 2020 9:46 AM

I think he was ‘Made an Example of’ as the Head Master would say. I doubt the letters will be as revealing as people think, they will be couched in Foreign Office Mandarin where a spade is never a spade. They refuse to release them purely on principle.
 
So why all the fuss? Whitlam’s reforms look quite mainstream now. I can’t imagine he seriously contemplated non-alignment and nationalisation of primary industries. I suspect what happened was he got out of line with the Sergeants Mess.  He was no threat to Empire, just a Tall Poppy and they cut him down to size. You see it in some of the comments here.
 

tonyopmoc
tonyopmoc
Jul 5, 2020 1:26 AM

My wife and I are just like spring garden flowers.
 
If you are wearing a mask, she will not let you in, unless you take it off.
 
She has a very strict front door policy.
 
If you are wearing a mask, you can’t come in.
 
We are having a Party in Our Back Garden Again soon.
 
I am trying to get The Speakers, Amps and Cables ready and practice with her on the sound check in our back garden.
 
The pubs will be dead, but we are still alive.
 
Tony

Nemo Nomark
Nemo Nomark
Jul 5, 2020 1:02 AM

Matthew Ehret has written several articles about the hidden role of the Monarchy which can be read on the strategic culture website. https://www.strategic-culture.org
 
I urge anyone who still thinks we have any vestigial form of democracy left to read these articles. It is now apparent, especially in light of recent events, that the Privy Council is much more central to the power structure of the UK than we have been led to believe.
 
Matthew’s work also demonstrates, as have others, that the Empire did not die but was transformed into a hidden power. It now operates in secret with the City of London as it’s main conduit and the Secret Services it’s hidden forces.
 
Until these hidden forms of power, the Privy Council, the Secret Services and the opaque financial structures and privileges of the City, are exposed and curtailed, Briton’s will remain as slaves.
 
“The best slave is the one who doesn’t think he is a slave, he thinks he is free.” – Tacitus

Moneycircus
Moneycircus
Jul 5, 2020 2:47 AM
Reply to  Nemo Nomark

People just need to apply common sense and recognize the weight of propaganda that is used to force their head in another direction.
 
If you had all the wealth and power in the world, and were told you’d have to give it up as ‘now we’ve got democracy it doesn’t look so good’… would you give up your wealth or hide it? Would you obey the politicians or buy them?

Mrs Saxe-Coburg and Gotha; Messrs Rockefeller, Mellon, Morgan and Baruch; My Lord Rothschild… it was good while it lasted, eh. But nothing lasts forever.

Would you go along with Huey Long because, shucks, the people support him — or would you see him as a threat to be eliminated?
 



Would you break up Standard Oil because the “little people” are jealous? Or would you merge Standard Oil with I.G. Farben and take over the world?
 
Would you give away your colonies and assets built up over 300 years – or would you employ the finest minds to create structures, trusts and banking systems and corporations that route that wealth a different way – and just change the brass plaque on the door?
 
Would you, in Rockefeller’s shoes, sit back and let the oiks take your wealth. Or would you set up a foundation to change the way the oiks think – to buy the media, set the education agenda, take over the international institutions that make the rules… and rise above those petty laws.
 
The answer is as simple as the people are gullible.

wardropper
wardropper
Jul 5, 2020 10:09 PM
Reply to  Moneycircus

Trouble is, for people to apply common sense and recognize propaganda, they need some untainted facts to work with, while the tainted ones are, of course, absolutely everywhere.

Charlotte Russe
Charlotte Russe
Jul 4, 2020 11:30 PM

 
A SLIGHT CULTURAL DIFFERENCE
 
The English monarchy appears not to be just an anachronistic symbol of past authority, but still actually maintains some significant political power:
 
“The Queen is responsible for opening Parliament with each new session, which takes place roughly every five years.
 
When she does so, the Queen reads from a Government-approved document which outlines what the elected officials hope to accomplish during the new session.
 
The Queen also appoints elected Prime Ministers and gives them her permission to start a Government, but she may also REMOVE ministers.
 
Parliamentary bills follow a strict path through the upper and lower houses, which conclude with royal assent, meaning the Queen must approve of a bill before it becomes law.
 
As the Queen, Elizabeth II is above the law, as they are all observed in her name.
 
The royal prerogative also applies to the issue and control of passports.
 
Ministers use the Queen’s name to provide passports, and she does not require one.
 
Officially, the Queen has the power to “make war and peace”, and she can declare war on other countries, although currently, the Prime Minister can too.
 
She is the commander-in-chief of the British military, meaning all soldiers swear to service in her name.” https://www.express.co.uk/news/royal/1252021/royal-news-queen-elizabeth-ii-power-royal-family#:~:text=War,to%20service%20in%20her%20n
 
There’s one slight cultural difference between the US Empire and Britain, if Whitlam was a US president he probably would be assassinated and not fired……..
 
 

RobG
RobG
Jul 5, 2020 12:48 AM

The Queen is also the wealthiest woman in the world, by all accounts.
 
The Crown Estate owns 55% of the UK’s foreshore-and the entire seabed out to the 12 nautical miles limit (some 23.6 million acres)
 
It goes on and on (Just think what they don’t tell you).

Charlotte Ruse
Charlotte Ruse
Jul 5, 2020 3:08 AM
Reply to  RobG

I bet the Queen doesn’t pay real estate tax on those 23.6 million acres.

BobH
BobH
Jul 5, 2020 7:04 PM

Oh somehow I don’t think those with real control in the U.K. have any qualms about assassination unless you believe Dr David Kelly actually did commit suicide. https://wikispooks.com/wiki/David_Kelly/Assassination

….or if you believe the Skripals were actually poisoned by Russian agents: https://consortiumnews.com/2018/04/07/the-uks-russia-narrative-a-verdict-in-search-of-a-crime/

…or if you believe Jeremy Corbyn wasn’t a marked man if he were elected; https://consortiumnews.com/2019/04/03/jeremy-corbyn-as-target-practice/?print=print

Charlotte Ruse
Charlotte Ruse
Jul 5, 2020 9:17 PM
Reply to  BobH

When it came to the Iraq War or warmongering against Russia both countries are psychopathic murderers.

BobH
BobH
Jul 6, 2020 2:12 AM
Reply to  Charlotte Ruse

agreed!

Petra Liverani
Petra Liverani
Jul 6, 2020 7:49 AM
Reply to  BobH

I don’t believe David Kelly committed suicide but I have my doubts he died at all. They’re so very good at staging conflict and finger-pointing exercises. They do it ALL the time. I have some trouble believing the edited-by-intelligence-agents Wikipedia version of his death as being in any way serious.
https://off-guardian.org/2020/03/07/wikipedia-a-disinformation-operation/
 
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Kelly_(weapons_expert)
As far as it is known, Kelly walked a mile (1.6 km) from his house to Harrowdown Hill. It appears he ingested up to 29 tablets of co-proxamol, an analgesic drug, then cut his left wrist, severing his ulnar artery, with a pruning knife he had owned since his youth.[4][134][135] It was subsequently established that neither the knife or the blister packs showed Kelly’s fingerprints on their surfaces.[136][137]
 
Rachel Kelly spoke to her mother in the late afternoon, then drove round to her parents’ house at around 6:00 pm. As her father had not returned, Rachel walked a route along a footpath her father was known to use regularly to try and find him; she returned to the house at around 6:30 pm, then drove round to see if she could find him.[138] Sian, the Kellys’ eldest daughter, also came to the house that night, and at 11:40 pm they phoned the police. Three officers from the local station in Abingdon arrived within 15 minutes;[139] they searched the house and garden straight away.[140] By 1:00 am a search helicopter, fitted with thermal imaging equipment, from RAF Benson, had been requested; teams of search dogs were also provided and a 26-metre (85 ft) communications mast was erected, as the Kellys’ home was in a mobile communications black spot.[141][142]
 

RobG
RobG
Jul 4, 2020 11:18 PM

This is how desperate the psychopaths are getting…
 
A man photographed fleeing smoke and debris as the south tower of the World Trade Center crumbled just a block away on September 11, 2001, has died from coronavirus, his family said.
The Palm Beach Post reported that Stephen Cooper, an electrical engineer from New York who lived part-time in the Delray Beach, Florida area, died 28 March at Delray Medical Center due to Covid-19. He was 78.
The photo, captured by an Associated Press photographer, was published in newspapers and magazines around the world and is featured at the 9/11 Memorial Museum in New York.
“He didnt even know the photograph was taken,” said Janet Rashes, Cooper’s partner of 33 years.
“All of a sudden, he’s looking in Time magazine one day and he sees himself and says, ’Oh my God. That’s me.’ He was amazed. Couldn’t believe it.”
 
The photo shows Cooper, who was 60 at the time, with a manila envelope tucked under his left arm. He and several other men were in a desperate sprint as a wall of debris from the collapsing tower looms behind them.
 
https://www.theguardian.com/world/live/2020/jul/04/coronavirus-live-news-us-states-hit-fresh-highs-cases-covid-brazil-australia-england-reopen-pubs?page=with:block-5f00edf38f08ff51fe2acf40#block-5f00edf38f08ff51fe2acf40
 
By the way, huge numbers of people have died due to the toxic dust on 9/11. I’m talking about tens of thousands of people, far more than were killed on that fateful day.
 
Go look it up if you don’t believe me.

Watt
Watt
Jul 5, 2020 12:57 AM
Reply to  RobG

Just wait till the mesothelioma kicks in just a few years down the line.

Petra Liverani
Petra Liverani
Jul 5, 2020 9:09 AM
Reply to  RobG

Ol’ Stevie was a crisis actor and so’s his alleged partner of allegedly 33 years. The good ‘ol Masonic 33. Doncha love it? They wheel them out whenever it suits and as it was his time to die now they used him as a COVID case. Whenever you hear of someone popping up at more than one event … you know CRISIS ACTOR.
 
No one fled from the South tower cos all three WTC demolitions were of completely evacuated buildings (why is everyone so happy to accept that WTC-7 was completely evacuated while the twin towers weren’t? – they only wanted people to BELIEVE in the deaths of 3,000 and injury to 6,000 for their BIG BAD TERROR STORY they didn’t want to kill or injure anyone) and no doubt there was little evacuation required as we can imagine they had ways of preventing most people from getting into the buildings (subway drills etc) on that fateful morning and many floors were vacant. Death and injury were staged. Notice how you don’t see any photographs of the injured in the vicinity of the towers or close to the Pentagon – we see them on the Staten Island ferry or some such miles away. The photos we see of the alleged 6,000 injured are a complete joke. See Point 6 on this webpage and come back and let me know if you think any of the photos look convincing.
https://occamsrazorterrorevents.weebly.com/3000-dead-and-6000-injured-a-lie.html
 
This is a photo of an alleged jumper. Likewise, please come back and let me know if you think it looks like a real dead body.
https://occamsrazorterrorevents.weebly.com/dead-body.html
 
The “toxic dust” is propaganda. They filled the towers with benign dust which had magical properties. Dust is so very useful in psyops – the fakery of the Collateral Murder video and the fakery of the 1993 Battle of Mogadishu aka Black Hawk Down being two other psyops where it played a useful role.
https://occamsrazorterrorevents.weebly.com/wikileaks-controlled-opposition.html
https://occamsrazorterrorevents.weebly.com/battle-of-mogadishu-1993.html
 
These are some of things the 9/11 dust was so very useful for:
— to make the collapses more spectacular
to make controlled demolition less obvious
to make WTC look like a warzone, enhancing the sense of enormity and terror of the event
to provide distraction in the form of Judy Woods’, “Where did the towers go?”, nonsense
to allow crisis actors to be “interviewed” on a day other than 9/11 all covered in dust so that they more convincingly match up with the WTC-covered-in-dust scene.
to provide distraction and to entrench the sense of evilness of the perpetrators making real death and injury more plausible in the alleged deaths of first responders and others due to illness caused by the toxic dust.
https://occamsrazorterrorevents.weebly.com/twin-towers-the-magic-dust.html

Admin1
Admin
Admin1
Jul 5, 2020 9:39 AM
Reply to  Petra Liverani

GRAPHIC CONTENT ALERT…

Petra, I have previously told you that the image of the alleged jumper does indeed look genuine. That is exactly how a body responds to rapid deceleration and impact. The intestines and abdominal contents are evacuated through the anus, flesh and bone turn to pulp and the skin is left looking like an empty sausage skin.

Does that mean that pic is definitely genuine? Of course not, it may indeed be a good fake. But it does look exactly as it should.

Bodies do unexpected things due to trauma, and a lot of the things familiar to EMTs would look bizarre and potentially fake to the general public. Eg – a guy who put his head on a train track – what would you expect to see after the train went over him? A lot of squish, right? But no. Often times the skull is popped out of the skin by the pressure and rolls away, leaving the skin, and a perfect impression of the face, rolled and flattened on the track.

If you saw that you’d cry ‘fake’. Anyone would. But it’s completely genuine.

Why not contact some EMTs and get their feedback? They will help you sort any truly fake-looking images from things that look fake to lay people but are actually commonplace or normal.

Petra Liverani
Petra Liverani
Jul 5, 2020 10:12 AM
Reply to  Admin1

You really must be joking, Admin. Truly. I wish I knew some EMTs and I would. I’ve asked a friend who’s a nurse and she says it looks fake. I know a doctor but people don’t like to comment on elements of these psyops so I don’t like to ask them. The thing is it’s the lack of evidence of an actual body that surely everyone can agree on. Everything looks like fabric. To me, it looks like a scarecrow with the stuffing coming out. Also, I wonder, Admin, about how you reason. None of the injured look convincing, do they? And you certainly wouldn’t actually favour “real” for the body, would you? Also, I’m sure you’d agree that they had no reason to kill and injure all those people. If they managed to evacuate WTC-7 there’s no reason, a priori, to not do the same for the twin towers is there? It’s always good to have a sense of the whole puzzle and not just pick on one item about which you don’t have a definite opinion anyway.
 
Do you still not get it, Admin? They PROPAGANDISED the truthers into believing in death and injury with the dancing Israelis and their white van caught with explosives dust, their PNAC document and all the rest of it – hilarious when you wake up to the propagandisation, no? It is so very, very obvious. If you haven’t come to terms with the TRUTHER PROPAGANDISATION I suggest you make the effort to do so. It’s really not so difficult and it means that you can see the truth about 9/11 rather than the so very ineffectual half-truth. Don’t you want the truth rather than half-truth?
 
Did you read my comments detailing exactly why the body is fake? Here they are. Please – I beg you – please come back to me and give an assessment of my comments.
 
— Inside the flesh-coloured fabric that you would expect to be covering legs there don’t appear to be legs, the tube of fabric is completely flat but there is no evidence of legs having come out of the tube. Also I wonder at the flesh-coloured fabric – it doesn’t look like trousers either – rather the black fabric vaguely looks as though it should be trousers but not convincingly there either. Perhaps the flesh-coloured fabric is supposed to be legs in which case it definitely does not look like legs, it looks like fabric.
 
— We see only one exit point at the inner thigh which of itself is not convincingly thigh-looking. Just below the thigh we see intestinal-resembling stuff, not the kind of stuff you expect to see coming out of the thigh. We also see the intestinal-resembling stuff on the right of the body. Where on earth did it come from?
 
— We see no evidence of exit points on the torso which isn’t looking in too bad shape considering.
 
— There is nothing suggestive of feet. At the end of the body’s right leg there is bandaging around something that doesn’t look like a foot and at the end of its “left leg” (which looks like a flat tube of fabric) the tube simply looks stuffed rather than flat and empty.
 

Admin1
Admin
Admin1
Jul 5, 2020 12:08 PM
Reply to  Petra Liverani

I already said the fact it looks convincing is not proof it’s real, so dial back on the hysterical demands for me to ‘prove’ the POV you assign to me, ok.
 
The flat tube is commensurate with the skin of the leg remaining intact after the flesh and bone have been basically pulped and ejected by the force of rapid deceleration on impact.
 
If this was a jumper he would have likely landed feet first, legs taking full impact and basically liquefying with skin remaining as an empty bag. The right leg is more intact, foot absent. What you call a bandage could easily be a sock.
 
One potentially odd thing there is the apparent absence of blood or raw flesh where the foot should be, but it’s hard to be sure about that in a single image.
 
The ‘intestinal-resembling stuff’ is consistent with the contents of the abdomen extruding through the perineum and anus (not the thigh) and this is consistent with the type of injury expected. It can also happen in cases of judicial hanging. The muscles of the perineum are a relative weak point and any impact or crushing force will often push the abdominal contents out through this point of least resistance.
 
The material on the right of the body may be more abdominal content that has basically burst out on impact.
 
The fact the upper body looks less damaged than the feet and lower torso is also consistent with this type of injury.
 
Given the height he has allegedly jumped from his injuries could have been much worse, I will grant you. But, still they are within the range of normal for this type of event.
 
This is a grim subject for debate on a public forum. In future can you put a graphic content warning on these type of images.

Petra Liverani
Petra Liverani
Jul 5, 2020 2:07 PM
Reply to  Admin1

I shall give a “graphic” warning next time, Admin. My apologies.
 
Hysterical? Ask you to “prove”?
 
I simply ask you to give an assessment of my comments and you have but I have questions in relation to one of your comments.
 
“The flat tube is commensurate with the skin of the leg remaining intact after the flesh and bone have been basically pulped and ejected by the force of rapid deceleration on impact.”
 
Questions
1. Can you tell give a source for flesh and bone being pulped and ejected by the force of rapid deceleration on impact? I haven’t heard of this phenomenon.
 
2. Can you suggest why the left leg would have had its flesh and bone pulped and ejected but not the right leg?
 
3. Can you suggest where the pulped flesh and bone ejecta might lie in relation to the body?
 
4. Even if the phenomenon of ejected flesh and bone you refer to is real, can you tell me why you think the left leg tube looks like skin more than it looks like fabric?
 
5. Can you tell me why you think the inner thighs look more like genuine thighs than a stuffed tube of fabric and a non-stuffed tube of fabric?
 
WARNING: More graphic content
http://www.newdesignfile.com/post_9-11-jumpers-photos-graphic_279053/
 
If you peruse the photos in the gallery at the link above you will see a woman’s body seemingly paralysed in sitting position and you will also see two bodies laid out that look as if they’ve suffered from being burnt (presumably in the building fires). There is a photo of a seeming body that looks as if has nothing to do with 9/11 – don’t know where that comes from.
 
Question
Can you suggest why the woman’s body seems to have suffered little damage and why the bodies affected by fire also do not seem to have suffered much damage from jumping either – certainly not ejection of flesh and bone due to force of rapid deceleration on impact?
 
Final question
Do you argue that the body we’ve been discussing looks more real than it looks fake?
 
 

Petra Liverani
Petra Liverani
Jul 5, 2020 2:31 PM
Reply to  Petra Liverani

Actually, Admin, I retract my question on the gallery of photos linked to above. As one photo is obviously not a 9/11 photo I cannot be sure of the others either.

Admin1
Admin
Admin1
Jul 7, 2020 2:23 AM
Reply to  Petra Liverani

That gallery of so-called 9/11 ‘jumper’ images looks to be no such thing. One of them is of a dead dog. Another is of the Boston Marathon ‘bombing’. I don’t think that woman sitting up is supposed to be dead or to have jumped and may have nothing to do with 9/11.
 
You need to do this properly if you want to do it at all. Source some images with good provenance, preferably official or press images. Don’t waste your time ‘analysing’ stuff from garbage websites that clearly don’t care about accuracy or accountability.
 
I’ve already told you that body does look real. It doesn’t look the way dead bodies do in movies or the way non-medical people expect dead bodies to look, but it does look real. I don’t claim that proves it is real. I have no opinion on that. That’s all I can say.

Petra Liverani
Petra Liverani
Jul 7, 2020 2:48 AM
Reply to  Admin1

That gallery of so-called 9/11 ‘jumper’ images looks to be no such thing.

 
As I saw reason to doubt it I retracted my question about it.
 
You say the body looks real. I say it doesn’t. To be serious about whether it is or isn’t we need to examine the body parts more specifically … and then who really knows if it was put forward as an alleged jumper on 9/11. Although it appears in the gallery linked to in my earlier comment it wasn’t where I first found it. I don’t remember where I first found it but the link died and I found it somewhere else and put it on my website in case that link died. It’s true though I cannot verify that this body was put forward by the media as that of an alleged jumper on 9/11.
 
We can leave dead bodies out of it altogether though, can’t we, Admin? They can be left out altogether unless, of course, you can come up with one that has clear evidence of its reality and I feel confident you are not bothered to do that. So we can happily leave dead bodies out of the argument for staged death and injury but still have lots of evidence from other areas favouring that hypothesis.
 
I repeat from my previous comment:
So far, you have not presented me with a single point in favour of real death and injury on 9/11. Not.a.single.point while I have presented 10 points that favour staged death and injury over real and also issued a $5,000 challenge for those who believe in real death and injury that has remained unresponded to.
 
When we consider the weight of evidence, staged wins hands down, no?
 
I have posted the comment below which is “Awaiting approval” although it only has two links in it. Is that just a typical glitchy thing?
https://off-guardian.org/2020/07/04/the-sacking-of-gough-whitlam-and-the-royal-intention-behind-the-five-eyes/#comment-200982
 
 

Petra Liverani
Petra Liverani
Jul 7, 2020 2:54 AM
Reply to  Petra Liverani

And just to add that while we can leave dead bodies out of it there is certainly no clearly identifiable dead body that could be used to favour the hypothesis that 3,000 people died on 9/11, is there? There is – I think it’s fair to say – a clear absence of evidence of a clearly identifiable dead body to be used to support the 3,000 dead argument. Of course, we can always argue that we don’t necessarily expect to see one but the absence of one doesn’t help the argument for real death, does it, doesn’t help it at all.
 
It’s the ABSENCE of evidence for real death and injury that one has to consider not just the presence of evidence supporting staged.

Petra Liverani
Petra Liverani
Jul 6, 2020 1:07 AM
Reply to  Admin1

Your lack of response to my response to yours (such a common occurrence) I will infer means tacit agreement from you, Admin, that the hypothesis of “real” body doesn’t stand up to scrutiny. And if it did well that would really set me back on my heels.
 
OffG always aims for scientific thought in your publications, no? You like credentialled people … except for say people such as Neil Ferguson. But there really are a lot more credentialled frauds than just Neil Ferguson and the few others you may recognise.
 
But nobodies like me can actually be so much more scientific in our thinking than those with credentials. One way of bringing reason to argument is to ensure as much as humanly possible that:
 
All the evidence supports your chosen hypothesis and favours it over any competing hypotheses.
 
You’d agree, no?
 
This is of vital importance and ensures correct thinking as much as possible. Although I strive for it I can obviously fail because for four years of study I believed in real death and injury on 9/11. But I really do try, it was just the propaganda that had me fooled.
 
How you reason unscientifically is that you obviously do not hold that thought in your mind in argument. You helicopter in without a care in the world for the context of the evidence in question – whether, for example, you have at your disposal any other evidence that supports real death and injury or whether there is evidence against it. You give it no consideration. Of course, balance is required because what you might think is evidence supporting or even contradicting your hypothesis might not, in fact, be evidence and it’s easy to get led astray (as I was and will no doubt be in the future, of course) so you need to also try to avoid being prejudiced by what you believe to be evidence which may not be. Nevertheless, some consideration needs to be held for it – and, of course, when there’s overwhelming evidence for an hypothesis if something pops up that seems to contradict it, it will need rigorous scrutiny.
 
If the body were real that would be in contradiction to so much other evidence, reason and logic that favours staged death and injury. Examples below (elucidated at https://occamsrazorterrorevents.weebly.com/3000-dead-and-6000-injured-a-lie.html) – and I mention again although you seem to place no significance on the fact, no one has responded to my Occam’s Razor challenge to provide 10 points favouring real death and injury over staged. It seems very odd, no? considering we’ve been brainwashed with the claim that 3,000 died and 6,000 were injured on 9/11 and that is what the vast majority believe that no one – not a single soul – can provide 10 points – or even just the one – favouring real death and injury while from simply sitting at my computer I can come up with 10 points that favour staged death and injury.
 
1. Social Security Death Index anomalies
 
2. Memorial anomalies
 
3. No obvious motive AND immeasurable disincentive AND eminently fakeable
 
4. Vastly incommensurate number of loved ones and colleagues of the dead and the injured themselves marching on Washington
 
5. Anomalies with key figures whom we might consider to be disinformation agents used in the propaganda campaign aimed at the truthers
 
6. No convincing signs of injury
 
7. Evidence of fakery of the jumpers (other than dead bodies)
 
8. Ridiculous survivor stories of the 12-second collapses of the 500,000 ton twin towers
 
9. Missing – expected evidence for the 343 firefighters who died on 9/11
 
10. Lawyer looking after victim funds not convincing
 
Among these points notably No. 8 is clear evidence of the perps deliberately giving the game away. Ludicrous “miracle survivor” stories are a common feature of psyops and we seem them in the current COVID psyop.
 
So I beg you, Admin, desist from exclusive focus on a single item and bear in mind what other items of evidence you have at your disposal to support the wider hypothesis and any that might contradict it.

Peter Liveranus
Peter Liveranus
Jul 7, 2020 1:02 AM
Reply to  Petra Liverani

Liverani, not responding to your relentless bullshit does not imply “tacit agreement” with it but rather a lack of desire to give it any more attention than it warrants.

Petra Liverani
Petra Liverani
Jul 7, 2020 1:23 AM

An unbacked assertion.
 
This is kind of hysterical. A clearly fake dead body is presented with an unstuffed tube of fabric as a leg with a ludicrous argument that it is a tube of skin that has had its contents ejected by “the force of rapid deceleration on impact”.
 
I know the perps are very used to people arguing grimly for the reality of their shameless fakery and are probably over giggling about it but if any of them are reading this bizarre argument it might raise a little smile on their faces.
 
I beg you “Peter” please come back and argue for tube of skin with contents evacuated by “the force of rapid deceleration on impact” (and while you’re at it please provide source of this phenomenon that Admin failed to do). Please I want to hear you argue for that reality.
WARNING: GRUESOME FAKERY
https://occamsrazorterrorevents.weebly.com/dead-body.html

Admin1
Admin
Admin1
Jul 7, 2020 2:01 AM
Reply to  Petra Liverani

I’m taking time out to discuss this with you, but I won’t bother if you become entitled and truculent, ok. I’m sorry if my delay in responding irked you but I have a lot of other things to do, and I didn’t even see your replies until just now.
 
I don’t have anything further to add about the appearance of the ‘jumper’ corpse. It does look consistent with a human body impacting the ground at high speed. Tubes of skin are often left intact like that and their contents ejected when bodies have great forces applied to them. I told you about what happened to a man who laid his head on a train track. This really happened. The skull was popped out intact and rolled away, and the skin of his head and face remained attached to the body and was kind of ironed flat by the train wheel. Anyone who knew him could have recognised his features still. True story. But if you had seen an image of it you would have cried fake.
 
But no, I’m not going to spend my time searching for authentic images to confirm this. If you’re serious about investigating the potential for fakery on 9/11 then this is what you should be doing. Talk to EMTs and pathologists, look up medical textbooks or images of jumpers on the web.
 
Saying “well I think this looks weird, so prove me wrong” is not how investigators go about making a case.
 
 

Petra Liverani
Petra Liverani
Jul 7, 2020 2:19 AM
Reply to  Admin1

“Entitled and truculent”? Really, that’s how I come across to you, Admin?
 
“Tubes of skin are often left intact like that …”
 
I can accept that is the case, Admin, I will accept that as a possibility but the fact that tubes of skin may be left does not necessarily mean that a tube presented as skin really is skin, does it? A tube of fabric can be presented as skin regardless of the possibility of a leg having its bone and flesh ejected or not.
 
My main point is that the tube presented to us looks like fabric, not skin. I don’t think you will argue for the opposite will you – if so, please go ahead and I will consider your argument for the tube actually looking like skin more than it looks like fabric.
 
The thing is though, Admin, that there is overwhelming evidence that death and injury were staged in other ways so we can set aside the dead body (unless you really want to make a case for its reality rather than simply the possibility of its reality) and take from all the other evidence that death and injury were staged.
 
So far, you have not presented me with a single point in favour of real death and injury on 9/11. Not.a.single.point while I have presented 10 points that favour staged death and injury over real and also issued a $5,000 challenge for those who believe in real death and injury that has remained unresponded to.
 
When we consider the weight of evidence, staged wins hands down, no?

Admin1
Admin
Admin1
Jul 7, 2020 2:30 AM
Reply to  Petra Liverani

Once again, and for the last time, I have not said I think the body is real. I don’t know if it’s real or not. I simply told you it looks real, because it does. Maybe it’s fake, maybe you’re right and no one died on 9/11. But even if that’s true the body still looks real. That’s all I’m saying.

Petra Liverani
Petra Liverani
Jul 7, 2020 4:15 AM
Reply to  Admin1

I hear ya, Admin. I say it doesn’t look real but as I’ve also said we can ignore it completely because much other evidence, precedence, reason and logic tell us that death and injury were staged regardless and no one, including you, has presented a single skerrick of evidence that favours real death and injury over staged.
 
QED.

Tim Jenkins
Tim Jenkins
Jul 7, 2020 8:09 AM
Reply to  Petra Liverani

81 Steel Columns & Two whole seconds of FREE-ALL.

Get a grip, Flaxgirl, on legal & scientific reality…

81 steel columns, 2 seconds free – fall…
Eighty one steel columns & two seconds of free – fall.
Stop distracting yourself & others from crown affairs
And military intelligence !

Petra Liverani
Petra Liverani
Jul 7, 2020 8:27 AM
Reply to  Tim Jenkins

What’s your point, Tim? Who’s arguing?

Dr NG Maroudas
Dr NG Maroudas
Jul 5, 2020 1:20 PM
Reply to  Admin1

@Admin1. Thanks for the horror-porn alert. Petra’s posts have always revealed a very sensitive nature. It goes right back to when she was a Flaxgirl and wielding Occam’s Razor to dissect Con 911 and Operation Gladio. Petra / Flaxgirl cannot bear to believe that people actually got killed by these terrorist atrocities.
 
As a reader who appreciates statistics but is repelled by grisly details, I very much appreciate your giving sensitive readers a ‘Grafic Content’ alert.

Petra Liverani
Petra Liverani
Jul 5, 2020 2:22 PM
Reply to  Dr NG Maroudas

Dr NG you didn’t answer my question in response to your comment on the recent COVID article. What a surprise! Intellectual dishonesty and cowardice ABOUND. They abound everywhere and are probably what disgust me most. It just astounds me how people can justify to themselves avoidance of answering questions that confront them.
 
My name is Petra and is the name I have used since September last year. Please desist from continued reference to my OLD screen name.
 

Petra / Flaxgirl cannot bear to believe that people actually got killed by these terrorist atrocities.

 
I believed that 3,000 people died on 9/11 for 13 years and it was only after 4 years of dedicated study of 9/11 that I realised that death and injury were staged. When I came to realise it, it was the only thing that made sense … and the evidence is overwhelming for it. They rub it in our faces, in fact.
 
What I cannot bear apart from intellectual dishonesty and cowardice, is a fixed mindset in the face of overwhelming evidence. That is what I cannot bear but I must because it is so prevalent. Sure it took me 4 years to work out staged death and injury but now that I have and I can explain it from a number of different angles I fail to understand why people are so resistant to it. 9/11 was a psyop! My goodness, it’s so utterly simple and straightforward. They don’t do things in their psyops unless they want them.

Dr NG Maroudas
Dr NG Maroudas
Jul 5, 2020 4:55 PM
Reply to  Petra Liverani

Petra: “9/11 was a psyop! ”
 
I agree with you that Con911 was a psyop. So would most of the readers of most of the Truther sites, such as OffG. But I doubt if most of those readers would believe the 3,000 deaths from the blowing up of the WTC were staged.
 
Likewise with the current psyop which I call Con19 (not to be confused with Cov19). Cov19 or Covid19 is a contraction of Corona19, an actual virus of the Corona family (commonly known as Bird Flu). Variant Covid19 was described by Chinese scientists in New England J.Med. Covid19 turned out to be a relatively mild killer but it did kill some of their patients. The deaths in China, Iran, Syria and other Eastern countries were relatively few — but they were not staged.
 
As for Con19, a mysterious entity which is currently churning out alarming mortality figures from all Western anti-Russian anti-Chinese anti-Socialist countries such as Sweden, France, U$A, UK, Canada, Australia, etc, etc: enough evidence has been posted on OffG to establish that Con19 is very much a psyop. Western flu mortality rates have been grossly and deliberately inflated this year, with exaggerated testing Corona even though the majority of flu cases are known to be caused by viruses other than Corona: we all agree about that.
 
 

Petra Liverani
Petra Liverani
Jul 6, 2020 4:43 AM
Reply to  Dr NG Maroudas

I don’t want people to believe that 3,000 deaths were staged, Dr NG, what I want them to do – as I did myself – is:
 
— Consider the reasons they believe in real death and injury – could propaganda, for example, play a role?
 
— Evaluate the reasons that I (and others) put forward for staged death and injury
 
— Decide which hypothesis is supported better by the evidence
 
I’m absolutely against believing Dr NG, I’m all about evaluating and judging.
 
And there is nothing remotely pornographic about checking an image of a dead body that has been put forward as that of a jumper on 9/11.
 
It’s called evaluating the evidence.

Petra Liverani
Petra Liverani
Jul 5, 2020 10:36 AM
Reply to  Petra Liverani

Just to add:
 
9/11 was, in essence, a massive Full-Scale Exercise comprising smaller exercises and drills, the form of many psyops (so very many drills on 9/11). The COVID-19 pandemic similarly is a kind of “live exercise”.
 
9/11 and the COVID pandemic are both Trauma-based Mind Control Psychological Operations.

Roberto
Roberto
Jul 6, 2020 11:15 PM
Reply to  Petra Liverani

I accept that WTC-7 was vacated, simply because the two other adjacent buildings were destroyed many hours before. That would be an incentive to get out of the immediate area.
Anyway, I thought I recognised the style of Flaxgirl, who believes everything is staged and, nothing really happens, and there are cattle calls for crisis actors who are required in the hundreds or even thousands, to be made up and trotted out with nobody noticing until the cameras start clicking, or rolling.
Oh, and dust, lots of it.

Petra Liverani
Petra Liverani
Jul 7, 2020 2:04 AM
Reply to  Roberto

I’m a little confused by your argument, Roberto.
 
Implications of controlled demolition
You recognise “controlled demolition” brought all three buildings down, right but I’m not sure you understand the significance of the word “controlled” in the term “controlled demolition”.
 
It means, as the word implies, controlled. It’s incredible precision we’re talking here, 100ths if not 1000ths of a second. It’s very, very, very controlled.
 
While the precision applies to the few seconds of the collapse itself it obviously also applies to the start time too, right? The perps knew exactly the start time of the demolitions of all three buildings which meant they had complete control of who came into the buildings and who exited them in the hours before, right?
 
You will agree that when a building comes down by controlled demolition, those involved ensure complete evacuation unless they deliberately want to kill the people inside, right?
 
So let me get this right. You believe that those responsible within the US government were incapable of making us believe that 3,000 people died and 6,000 were injured on 9/11 by using propaganda and fakery and that they deliberately killed the people in the building by not ensuring complete evacuation even though that would have been a trivial exercise as buildings are brought down by controlled demolition all the time and there are obviously tried and trusted methods of ensuring evacuation.
 
Limits of US government’s ability to persuade through propaganda
Can you please confirm you believe the following, Robert.
 
— That the perps were capable of persuading us through propaganda and fakery that 19 terrorists armed with boxcutters hijacked four airliners yada yada BUT
 
— They were incapable of or unmotivated to use the same means for faking the deaths of 3,000 and injury to 6,000.
 
Conversation between news anchor and FDNY EMS Lieutenant
https://youtu.be/i5b719rVpds?t=224
 
I also have a couple of questions for you with regard to this conversation between Brian Williams, MSNBC News Anchor and David Restuccio, FDNY EMS Lieutenant about WTC-7 after its collapse:
 
“Can you confirm it was No 7 that just went in?” [“Went in” is a term used in controlled demolition that comes from the fact that the buildings fall in on themselves.]
 
“Yes, sir.”
 
“And you guys knew this was comin’ all day.”
 
“We had heard reports that the building was unstable and that eventually it would either come down on its own or it would be taken down.”
 
Question
Do you believe that Brian Williams and David Restuccio were aware that WTC-7 came down by controlled demolition and thus also aware that the twin towers came down by the same means?
 
If not, please explain why.
If so, do you believe that they would have been AOK with the murder of the 3,000 of their fellow citizens?
 
Unresponded-to challenge
As you believe the reality of the events I don’t I urge you to respond to my – so far – unresponded-to $5,000 challenge to prove the reality of the following events in a very, very easy way. All you have to do is come up with 10 points that favour reality over staging. That is all. 10 measly points and you can choose your own judge! Cannot get fairer than that, can you, Roberto?
https://occamsrazorterrorevents.weebly.com/5000-challenge.html
 
Four plane crashes on 9/11
Death and injury on 9/11
Manchester bombing
Sandy Hook massacre
 
Two very important features of psyops to recognise
Actually, I was being disingenuous in relation to the ease of responding to my challenge, Roberto, yes I was.
 
It’s actually not so easy. You know why? The perps are utterly scrupulous in staging their psyops using a particular MO involving the following two characteristics:
 
— They provide clues that they’re staged: sloppiness of execution, poor expression, grammar and spelling (beyond what one might consider “sloppy journalism”), over-the-top ridiculousness, discrepancy between show and tell, the actual truth, smiling grievers, things that don’t add up, contradictions in the story, physical impossibilities, Masonic numbers and symbols and on and on.
 
— Total absence of a single piece of evidence faked so well that it can be used by believers of their stories to defend their belief. When you blow away the magic propaganda dust, there’s simply nothing there.
 

Petra Liverani
Petra Liverani
Jul 7, 2020 2:02 PM
Reply to  Roberto

And Vince DeMentri was sooooooo in on it too.
 
Check him out talking about war and WTC-7 hasn’t even come down yet.

 
And here he is saying with the hugest grin as he finishes speaking (big smiles are common feature of psyops):
 
“It was almost as if it were a planned implosion. It just pancaked.”



 
Gotta be scripted, no?
 

Petra Liverani
Petra Liverani
Jul 7, 2020 2:05 PM
Reply to  Petra Liverani

Oops. Second video should be bookmarked to 3:07.

Petra Liverani
Petra Liverani
Jul 8, 2020 12:35 PM
Reply to  Roberto

… who believes everything is staged and, nothing really happens, and there are cattle calls for crisis actors who are required in the hundreds or even thousands, to be made up and trotted out with nobody noticing until the cameras start clicking, or rolling.

 
Your derision is misplaced, Roberto, isn’t it? You have nothing to say in my response to your response. No words can emanate to defend your derision. You know why? Because you suffer from engaging the logical fallacy known as “argument from incredulity”. Your paradigm of the world is that lots of events can’t be faked so the person formerly putting herself forward as flaxgirl (what a dreadful mistake that was) is a fruitcake. The evidence, however, shows that lots of events are, in fact, staged – lots and lots and lots and lots. Way more than I point out, far too many for me to keep up with. It is simply mindblowing how many.
 
I could deride you though. I could deride you for being so utterly naive that you think that those responsible within the US government would kill their own citizens in buildings in a psyop. That is so laughably naive and shows zero understanding of how psyops are conducted. Of course, I believed they did myself so it wouldn’t be entirely fair to deride you … except that now I’ve woken up and try to explain from so very many different angles how death and injury were staged so many commenters on this site steadfastly refuse to see the light.
 
In psyops, what is wanted is done, while what is not wanted is not done. If what is not wanted is done for real then the operation is no longer a psyop. But perhaps you think 9/11 was other than a psyop? It was something else entirely??
 
I have a friend who has no interest in these events, no interest in politics generally and would never in a million years make comments on this or any other website about these events. However, she listens to me patiently and while she wasn’t onboard initially over the years has come around. I asked her today if she was onboard with staged death and injury and if she thought there was anything outlandish about the claim. Her response?
 
“It’s the only thing that makes sense.”
 
Someone who has zero interest in these events says something far more intelligent about 9/11 than the vast majority of OffG commenters.

Roberto
Roberto
Jul 8, 2020 5:57 PM
Reply to  Petra Liverani

All or nothing is a illusory concept, and some things may never be known until perhaps after we’re all gone and the evidence released will be ‘old news’.
After much studying over many years of much evidence presented in interviews, newsreels, private video footage, analysis by scientists, engineers, architects, and responders, the idea of One Big Event, orchestrated from first to last is not credible. 
The deaths of people trapped in the floors above the level of impact while those below escaped by descending stairways is credible.
The immediate gathering of wreckage (i.e. evidence) and the shipment to China for recycling, is incredible. Even the analysis of wreckage of a minor building after a fire is thorough, and the analysis of remains of a plane crash may go on for months or years.
Anyway, my original response was to your claim, essentially, that if WTC-7 was vacant, why could not the others have been: (“why is everyone so happy to accept that WTC-7 was completely evacuated while the twin towers weren’t?”. Because WTC-7 ‘fell’ many hours later, when everyone in every building in the immediate area had been evacuated. Scare quotes around ‘fell’ because it was an obvious controlled demolition that can’t be explained away.

Petra Liverani
Petra Liverani
Jul 9, 2020 1:26 AM
Reply to  Roberto

All or nothing is a illusory concept, and some things may never be known until perhaps after we’re all gone and the evidence released will be ‘old news’.

 
This is what’s called “waffle”.
 

The deaths of people trapped in the floors above the level of impact while those below escaped by descending stairways is credible.

 
This too because the evidence speaks against it.
 

Because WTC-7 ‘fell’ many hours later.

 
So do you believe that there wasn’t a controlled evacuation of WTC-7? You think that people just evacuated themselves? And what about WTCs 3, 4, 5 and 6? What about them? All the WTC-7 buildings were damaged – WTC-5 was aflame and WTC-6 was gutted. Was there nothing controlled about any of the five other WTC evacuations and only incomplete evacuations of the twin towers – that – oh dear – just couldn’t reach completion because the perps couldn’t organise it that way. They got caught short, time ran out … or so much more sinisterly they thought “Ha! ha! this is how we’ll make our terror story work – we’ll just let all those people die or be injured to give us our 3,000 deaths and 6,000 injured” (minus those who died in the faked plane crashes). We’ll forego the propaganda skills that we’ve used so effectively to make people believe in the 19-terrorists-armed-with-boxcutters story (all the while undermining that story with the ludicrous flight training and nose cone popping out the other side of the South tower) and we’ll do it for real. We’ll kill those people for real, we cannot rely on our propaganda techniques to do the work we must do it for real. Let those people dieeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee!
 
Is that your hypothesis, Roberto? Everyone evacuating themselves from WTCs 3-7 and the evacuations of WTCs 1-2 just couldn’t be completed because of time running out. There was nothing controlled about 9/11 except the actual controlled demolitions themselves. Is that what you’re saying?
 
Questions about WTCs 5 and 6.

 
 

Petra Liverani
Petra Liverani
Jul 9, 2020 1:34 AM
Reply to  Petra Liverani

Oops. “All the WTC-7 buildings …” should read “All the WTC buildings …”

Petra Liverani
Petra Liverani
Jul 10, 2020 10:11 AM
Reply to  Petra Liverani

Wanna know my latest crazy claim of a faked story, Roberto? Despite assiduously avoiding the news I come across at the very least one a month.
 
The latest does perturb me I have to say. It’s the story of an Aboriginal woman, now 39, who at the age of 14 gave birth to a child fathered by her stepfather who’d been raping her (and continued to do so). Supposedly, she delivered the baby in the toilet of a caravan park, stuffed toilet paper in the baby’s mouth to stop it crying after which it suffocated to death. She abandoned it and investigators only worked out that she was the mother last year when she was picked up on drugs charges and a DNA match was made.
 
Somehow my fake news receptors were triggered at the outset. I just didn’t buy the toilet paper stuffing though I cannot justify why that really is so implausible.
 
They give it away in the first sentence although I didn’t pick this up on first reading:
 
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-07-06/woman-sentenced-for-killing-baby-in-kambalda-in-stepfather-abuse/12424878
 
The “tragic” details behind the death of a newborn baby 25 years ago in a toilet at a remote WA caravan park have been laid bare in a Perth court with the sentencing of the child’s mother, a victim of sexual abuse, for killing him.
 
Can you see where they give it away Roberto? Can you see it?
 
The word tragic in quotation marks.
 
The Perth Children’s Court was told the baby had started crying, so the woman stuffed toilet paper in his mouth to keep him quiet, but the baby suffocated.
[Comment: I know she was a child at the time but would she be still tried in the Children’s Court? Really have no idea just asking the question.]
 
The image of trackers that goes with the article doesn’t strike me as matching it. Interestingly, the photo credit is Jarrod Lucas who is an ABC Goldfields reporter and looks way too young to have been taking photos back in 1995. https://www.abc.net.au/news/jarrod-lucas/7976220?nw=0
 
He was subsequently charged with child sexual abuse, plead guilty, and is due to be sentenced later this year.
[Comment: Wrong tense of plead.]
 
The woman was originally charged with murder, but pleaded guilty to the lesser offence of infanticide which the court heard was very unusual and had since been repealed.
[Comment: Gobbledygook].
 
She left the baby’s body in the toilet bowl covered by paper and went to another toilet block where she cleaned herself up before returning to the caravan where she was staying with relatives.
 
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-10-10/man-accused-of-child-sex-abuse-in-1995-kambalda-baby-murder-case/11589230
The court heard the baby’s body was later found in a basin in the toilets with paper towel in his mouth.
[Comment: In this version it says “basin” and “paper tower” not “toilet bowl” and “toilet paper”.]
 
I scratch my head as to why this story is faked. Any ideas or you think it’s all bona fide. Nothing anomalous about the reporting of this story?

tonyopmoc
tonyopmoc
Jul 4, 2020 11:09 PM

I, if I lived in Australia at the time and was old enough to vote (I had already seen Harold Wilson on a Fruit Box in Oldham Outdoor Market, I sincerely hope that if I was going to vote for anyone if, I was now living in Australia, like some of my very youngest/oldest childhood friends are I would vote for them, except I can’t stand the heat and the humidity.

It’s much nicer in England.

Come Home.

We like you Aussies – same sense of humour as us from Lancashire.

There is Nothing Going on Here, now where we live in London.

No Fireworks, No Sounds…Nothing

and to celebrate our American Friends well it was never as good as Bonfire Night November 5th, but it was about a 20th as good as it…you might occasionaly see a firework in the sky.

So far nothing and its 23:00 4th July 2020

Have all the Americans gone home?

It is SILENT here.

Highly Unusual.

Tony

tonyopmoc
tonyopmoc
Jul 5, 2020 12:20 AM
Reply to  tonyopmoc

O.K., I am still a kid, but this mains powered Italian light show thing which I have just taken out of the box, plugged it in, and turned it on is the dogs bollocks for £23, complete with remote, direct from Italy. Not tried the Sound Sensitive Strobe Effect yet, cos my new white bass guitar hasn’t turned up yet, but I have already started taking lessons, and got some of the old stuff working. Cables. mikes and amps were the main problem – like nothing – and Then Hello World – and it was working. Nearly Blew My Head Off.

I have always liked Italians

Let’s Party

Tony

martin
martin
Jul 6, 2020 7:10 AM
Reply to  tonyopmoc

‘What Was the Gunpowder Plot? The Traditional Story Tested by Original Evidence’
by John Gerard S.J. 1897
 
“Ages to come will be in doubt if it were a fact or a fiction..” Sir Edwin Coke on the trial of the conspirators. I know one of the descendants. The landed family became Recusants in the resulting War on Terror. 5th November 1605. This stuff has been going on a long time.
 
 

RobG
RobG
Jul 4, 2020 9:48 PM

What’s going on in the Five Eyes countries has strong echoes of the English ‘peasants’ revolt in 1381.
 
As usual the peasants were totally crushed by the Establishment.
 
But I don’t think that’s going to happen this time.
 
The presstitutes are now heavily pushing ‘the second wave’, with new ‘dangerous’ outbreaks of the Frankenstein flu occurring all over the world; which of course means that we are forever going to be in lockdown; ‘the new normal’.
 
It’s all complete BS and people are not going to put up with it for much longer.

Mishko
Mishko
Jul 4, 2020 10:10 PM
Reply to  RobG

In other news, police armed with semi-automatic weapons are patrolling
australian inner cities because terrorism.
To keep citizens safe from terrorists going all stabby on them. So they claim.

RobG
RobG
Jul 4, 2020 11:27 PM
Reply to  Mishko

I presume you mean this…
 
https://www.msn.com/en-ph/news/world/asia-today-3000-australians-in-melbourne-in-hard-lockdown/ar-BB16jwAj
 
Strange, isn’t it, how all these ‘new lockdowns’ are happening in working class parts of the world.

Nemo Nomark
Nemo Nomark
Jul 5, 2020 6:32 PM
Reply to  RobG

The Peasant’s Revolt collapsed when their charismatic leader, Wat Tyler, met the young King Richard under the flag of truce to discuss their grievances. A knight at the side of Richard struck down Wat with his sword, despite the sacred truce, when he called Richard “Brother!”.
 
The Gilet Jaunes sensed this, either the destruction or corruption of any leaders, and this refusal to appoint a figurehead leader appears to have been a major reason for their ability to continue for so long. They are only in (relative) abeyance because of the Covid Caper, but will no doubt resume their struggle.
 
The recent phenomena of massive gatherings, at the beaches and at the many raves and large parties that are occurring, also seems to show that the British are ready to throw off the restrictions. These are leaderless reactions too, and people sense the safety of numbers. The Russian people have a saying about mass struggle – “They can’t kill us all!”
 
I take heart that a groundswell seems to be growing against this oppression too, and I also think they won’t be able to stop it either. We are many, they are few.
 
 
 

Barry Fyffe
Barry Fyffe
Jul 4, 2020 9:42 PM

Interesting how That Woman, head of the Church of England, turned her back and abandonned every follower of said religion when the UK Government suggested the Churches be closed. Seems as though the power is not as people wish it to be but in fact, a grotesque cloak, abusing those who ‘love’ the royals and threatening those who question.
Evil be to him who evil thinks Maj – it’s your nasty motto and it’s mirrored back at you all.

Mishko
Mishko
Jul 4, 2020 10:14 PM
Reply to  Barry Fyffe

Honi soit qui mal y pense – motto of the Order Of The Garter.

tonyopmoc
tonyopmoc
Jul 4, 2020 7:39 PM

Whilst I found this article very interesting, and in theory The Queen does have a lot of Personal Power..She has to Authorise all major changes in Law, from the House of Commons, I can find very little evidence that she has ever used such powers, or is in any way in control of anything, that changes things.
 
I have never met any of The Royal Family, though once I did see the Queen’s Mother in Her Rolls, and she waved at us in Hyde Park
 
What is undeniable is The Massive Affection for The Royal Family, from The British Working Class, who drink in pubs – a lot of which are named after them. I personally think this is more historical, than just propaganda from the Daily Mail..
 
Of course there have been Kings and Queens in the British Islands for a considerable time, well over 1,000 years, and unlike some people – be it religious or political, they have never really been completely horrible to us Peasants in England, well not compared to other aristocracies in other parts of the world, and they allow us to completely Slag Them Off, and Be Extremely Critical, but they do not line us up in England for Execution, like some Regimes do.
 
In England we have historically been allowed to say wtf we want to say, except for a time in The Middle Ages where we may be heading now, when witches – and I am thinking long haired pretty girls, would heal you by their charm, and maybe some natural herbs from their farms and gardens = caught up in a religious cross fire between Christians – some Protestant and some Catholic.
 
I am not and never have been interested in Royalty. I think they have got a really sh1t job. I don’t like politicians either, and don’t vote for them
 
I do however like Musicians – like this
 
“Blueskin Fever at Farmfest UK 2011” 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pt51ZmwEkcE
 
Tony

David Matthews
David Matthews
Jul 4, 2020 9:52 PM
Reply to  tonyopmoc

I can find very little evidence that she has ever used such powers
 
I think during the Blair era it came to light that some employment legislation had been knocked back by her madge. With her being a fairly substantial employer of lackeys, it was just going to raise her outgoings to an unacceptable degree.
 
At the time I did follow the MSM and recall at least one article that expressed some astonishment – “we didn’t think she could do that” – sort of thing.
 
I am not and never have been interested in Royalty. I think they have got a really sh1t job.
 
Although they seem to like it and it does pay rather well – which is probably why 🙂 Pretty favourable work/leisure balance on the whole also.
 
 

John Pretty
John Pretty
Jul 4, 2020 11:12 PM
Reply to  David Matthews

“I think during the Blair era it came to light that some employment legislation had been knocked back by her madge.”
 
I think not.
 
I’m gong to be very kind on this occasion. Perhaps you would be kind enough to provide some evidence for this assertion?

David Matthews
David Matthews
Jul 5, 2020 9:18 AM
Reply to  John Pretty

I can’t, which is why I said I think. However that memory of mine is hardly likely to have been imagination. There was an article (probably in the Guardian or Observer) along the lines I indicated. Whether it was accurate or not is another matter.

My thought in making that comment was that maybe someone else could usefully add to it, but if not, no worries. Not sure why you think you’re being kind; that extremely wealthy individuals hold inappropriate sway in “democracy” is not particularly startling. If Gates, why not her madge?

One dollar one vote 🙂

Jen
Jen
Jul 4, 2020 10:35 PM
Reply to  tonyopmoc

Don’t forget that the Prince of Wales has had a hotline to MPs and Cabinet Ministers with his use of “spider memos” and has sought to change those parts of Britain’s FoI Act that scrutinise his finances and sources of his wealth and make them less accessible to public enquiry. The Queen may not appear to be abusing her powers but other members of the British Royal Family seem to have no hesitation in abusing the public trust in them.

Meanwhile one Ghislaine Maxwell might just decide to sing like a canary if US judicial authorities offer her something that reduces her prison sentence …

Nemo Nomark
Nemo Nomark
Jul 5, 2020 2:13 AM
Reply to  tonyopmoc

Sorry Tony, I like your posts but not this in reference to the Monarchy – “unlike some people – be it religious or political, they have never really been completely horrible to us Peasants in England”.
 
As a fellow Lancastrian I would have thought you would have heard of The Harrowing of the North. William Bastard rode out of York with an army on St. Stephen’s (now Boxing) Day 1069 A.D., down the later named Harrow Gate into East Lancashire, up into the Lune Valley and the Furness peninsula, then back across into Yorkshire, slaughtering anything that moved on his way. He was looking for Earl Gospatrick and the Northern rebels, but enacting a scorched earth policy along the route.
 
Over three months he murdered innocent men, women, children, the old and the sick. He killed all the livestock, burnt down every place of habitation, farm buildings, grain stores and even destroyed their tools, so that they could not rebuild or plant crops next season. The death toll was around a quarter of a million, which was a significant percentage of the then population of England, many starved to death in the winter cold, some who escaped were reduced to eating corpses. Survivors fled as far as the Midlands. The whole of western Europe was shocked by his brutality.
 
Even the contemporary (Anglo-Norman) church historian Orderic Vitalis condemned him for it, with a full description of his crimes. Vitalis is regarded by academics as the most honest of medieval historians. That infamous inventory of an absentee landlord, Domesday, even recorded the area as wasteland (“hic est vasta”) with zero inhabitants over a decade later.
 
For this he is remembered in the modern pejorative term “Bastard”, because he was named William (the) Bastard legally. A bastard was not the pejorative it is now in those days, an illegitimate son in the “Danish” tradition had legal rights but they were secondary to legitimate sons. The modern usage of “Bastard” as a pejorative has nothing to do with parental marital status but is used as a description of bad character, because of William.
 
The aristocracy still celebrate the slaughter of The Harrowing every 26th of December with the “traditional” Boxing Day Hunt. Now they (illegally) hunt foxes but would still hunt plebs if they could.

Nemo Nomark
Nemo Nomark
Jul 5, 2020 2:27 AM
Reply to  Nemo Nomark

William Bastard was the name he used on English legal documents. In Normandy, where his main, permanent residence was, he was known as Guillaume le Batard. He spoke only Norman French as he couldn’t be bothered to learn English, having tried but quickly given up.

Admin1
Admin
Admin1
Jul 5, 2020 8:34 AM
Reply to  tonyopmoc

In the reign of Henry VIII it was deemed treason to speculate about the king’s death or question his position as head of the church. Ordinary people were executed for expressing their opinions. Throughout most of the Middle Ages, hunting on royal land without permission was punishable by death or maiming.
 
Just two examples. The idea British royals were compassionate and well-loved is a well-tended myth. As is the absurd idea they have a ‘shit job’.
 
They have unimpeded wealth and the massive power that brings. And all they have to do to earn it is turn up at a few functions every year wearing big hats or military uniforms they have no right to wear.
 
That is not a shit job. The only reason you think so is this was the controlled opposition argument back in the pre-Blair days designed to prevent Labour supporters demanding the monarchy be abolished.

David Matthews
David Matthews
Jul 5, 2020 9:37 AM
Reply to  Admin1

For your average Middle Age pleb any hunting was a serious offense. Every rabbit and pheasant was the property of the local big guy.

Sorry again no documented confirmation and I wasn’t around then, so although I can’t be sure, that’s what I’ve read (somewhere).

Nemo Nomark
Nemo Nomark
Jul 5, 2020 5:28 PM
Reply to  David Matthews

This began with William Bastard, David. He was the first successful invasion leader to subjugate England and confiscate all private property. Domesday was his inventory. He then allotted parts to his mercenary supporters on a grace and favour basis, but retained title as does the present monarchy.
 
He based his claim on the fact that the English had backed Harold Godwinson as successor to King Edward, that God had given him victory as the true heir, therefore the English nation had committed treason against him and thus forfeited their right to any possessions whatsoever. Pure casuistry!
 
That is apart from The City of London, who he cut a deal with to preserve and extend their privileges in return for financing the campaign in the northern part of the country. This unholy alliance for the sake of avaricious dreams has since metastasized over the centuries into the cancer at the heart of Britain.

Nemo Nomark
Nemo Nomark
Jul 5, 2020 5:36 PM
Reply to  Nemo Nomark

The alliance of the Crown with the City to subjugate The North, and the Northern Rebellion followed by the Harrowing in the late 11th Century, is also the root of the Establishment prejudice that formed the North/South divide that remains to this day.
 

Nemo Nomark
Nemo Nomark
Jul 5, 2020 5:01 PM
Reply to  Admin1

Hear, hear. We haven’t even touched on many more examples, such as the cruel deaths inflicted on the common people for petty crimes, by tortures such as hanging, drawing and quartering. That is, partial strangulation then disembowelment whilst still conscious, followed by mutilation of the corpse.
 
Even ISIS haven’t dreamed that up, yet people still flock to the museum in the Tower of London which glorifies these practices, a museum of torture!
 
However, the aristocracy were granted a quick and merciful death by beheading for their crimes. Class prejudice even in death.

paul
paul
Jul 4, 2020 5:47 PM

Luckily Her Maj didn’t have to step in to remove that dangerous communist terrorist Corbyn.
Those splendid chaps at the Board Of Deputies and the Mossad Office did the job for her instead, with a little help from the massed bands of the Friends Of Israel.

sharon marlowe
sharon marlowe
Jul 4, 2020 5:01 PM

I’m hoping for an article on Western Dependence Day–July 4th! It’s the day that the genocidal colonialists and slave owners got together to forge their greatest piece of propaganda–The Declaration of Independence. For the next 244 years, Western governments would unite in the struggle for hegemony, creating an empire of non-stop war in the modern world. We here, in the U.S. celebrate it with the sounds of bombs exploding.

Ort
Ort
Jul 4, 2020 7:52 PM
Reply to  sharon marlowe

As a fellow Amerikan, on this obsolete nominal “Independence Day” I can’t resist joining your off-topic rebellion against the British moderators. 😉
 
It’s no accident that “the sounds of bombs exploding” is reverently celebrated in the US national anthem. This reference inspires a holiday reading from the Gospel of Vonnegut– Breakfast of Champions, that is. NB: I couldn’t reproduce the exact formatting of the text, or Vonnegut’s drawing of the Stars and Stripes (flag)– so I left out the bit where he describes it, and mentions that there is a law that the US Flag may not be “dipped” during formal assemblies to express respect to other nations.
_______________________________________
 
Listen:
 
Trout and Hoover were citizens of the United States of America, a country which was called America for short. This was their national anthem, which was pure balderdash, like so much they were expected to take seriously:
 
   O, say can you see by the dawn’s early light
   What so proudly we hailed at the twilight’s last gleaming,
   Whose broad stripes and bright stars, thru the perilous fight
   O’er the ramparts we watched were so gallantly streaming?
   And the rockets’ red glare, the bombs bursting in air,
   Gave proof through the night that our flag was still there.
   O, say does that star-spangled banner yet wave
   O’er the land of the free and the home of the brave?
_______________________________________
 
There were one quadrillion nations in the Universe, but the nation Dwayne Hoover and Kilgore Trout belonged to was the only one with a national anthem which was gibberish sprinkled with question marks.
 
• • •
 
The motto of Dwayne Hoover’s and Kilgore Trout’s nation was this, which meant in a language nobody spoke anymore, Out of Many, One: “E pluribus unum.”
 
The undippable flag was a beauty, and the anthem and the vacant motto might not have mattered much, if it weren’t for this: a lot of citizens were so ignored and cheated and insulted that they thought they might be in the wrong country, or even on the wrong planet, that some terrible mistake had been made. It might have comforted them some if their anthem and their motto had mentioned fairness or brotherhood or hope or happiness, had somehow welcomed them to the society and its real estate.
 
If they studied their paper money for clues as to what their country was all about, they found, among a lot of other baroque trash, a picture of a truncated pyramid with a radiant eye on top of it, like this: [author’s drawing of pyramid/eye appears here]
 
Not even the President of the United States knew what that was all about. It was as though the country were saying to its citizens, “In nonsense is strength.”

P R Ivy
P R Ivy
Jul 4, 2020 9:25 PM
Reply to  Ort

I got news for you two, the Brits never left, Britain is your deep state, if you look at your history it is incredbily British, bases here, there and everywhere, war, war and a bit more war, vote to change for less war only to get more war, is it unreasonable to assume the Brits never really left? They never leave anywhere without causing a shed load of trouble which the USA seemed to miraculously escape, funny that, oh and the Anthem, the tune is an old English drinking song, talk about taking the piss!
 
Steel dossier… hmmmmm, who was the country that was almost certainly interferring in your election, one which can be proven beyond all reasonable doubt, some say Trump patted the queen on purpose to let them know, he knows, I can see how that could happen given how much Trump is detested by the establishment.
 
Happy 4th July, yippee ki yay or Tally ho, same shit,, 🙂

sharon marlowe
sharon marlowe
Jul 4, 2020 9:48 PM
Reply to  P R Ivy

Yes, P R Ivy. The love here for the British royals makes me sick.

sharon marlowe
sharon marlowe
Jul 4, 2020 9:46 PM
Reply to  Ort

Fireworks going off up the street where I live as I’m reading you, Ort. Pretty irritating.

Nixon Scraypes
Nixon Scraypes
Jul 4, 2020 11:00 PM
Reply to  Ort

You’re not Ort O’Crat the infamous Irish dictator who threatened to “submerge Ulster in a deluge of Guinness” are you? Well if you are sir,your cover’s blown. Personally, I’ll let bygones be bygonias for a Vonnegut fan. My favourite is the old wrinkled wretainer on the farm telling his young university educated master;”I’ll be in the cowshed, shovelling my thesis”, pure poetry. If you bump into Taylor Swift, tell her~ the answer is still “no”.

John Pretty
John Pretty
Jul 4, 2020 11:30 PM
Reply to  sharon marlowe

“We here, in the U.S. celebrate it with the sounds of bombs exploding.”
 
Yah, but Syria and Iraq have had enough. Why don’t you do it at home?

sharon marlowe
sharon marlowe
Jul 5, 2020 12:03 AM
Reply to  John Pretty

Maybe we should bomb each other? Like the U.S., Britain, France, and Israel just bomb each other to fulfill their desires to bomb other countries.

Moneycircus
Moneycircus
Jul 4, 2020 4:22 PM

Latest from UK Column, July 3rd 2020: Contact Tracing and Immunity Passports shown to be unworkable. Tests suggest antibody presence/reaction varies wildly, offers no reliable indication of exposure to, or recovery from, COVID-19 SARS-CoV-2.
 
The only benchmark is deaths and hospitalizations: all testing is dubious. This is confirmed by the subject of T cell immunity, which identify and destroy infected cells.

“Importantly, we detected SARS-CoV-2 reactive CD4 T-cells in 40-60% of unexposed individuals, suggesting cross reactive T-cell recognition between circulating ‘common cold’ coronaviruses and SARS—CoV-2.

— Targets of T cell responses to SARS—CoV-2 coronavirus in humans with COVID-19 disease and unexposed individuals. https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0092867420306103?via%3Dihub
 

“Furthermore, we report that neutralizing antibodies were undetectable in 56% of asymptomatic carriers.”

— Anti-Spike, anti-Nucleocapsid and neutralizing antibodies in SARS-CoV-2 inpatients and asymptomatic carriers – May 12th, 2020 https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.05.12.20098236v2
 
Thus Contact Tracing and Immunity Passports based on antibodies are not going to work. As Patrick Henningsen of 21st Century Wire points out, the time to have done antibody sampling around the country would have been at the start of the outbreak.
 
Yet for the first time in any major outbreak governments and health authorities DID NOT DO COUNTRYWIDE SAMPLING OR TESTING – why not? Maybe it would have undermined the whole narrative and shown the infection fatality rate was much, much lower than the 3.4% being touted by Imperial College, the WHO and the U.S. and UK governments.
 
The BBC has just woken up to the issue: Coronavirus: Immunity may be more widespread than tests suggest – BBC Jul 1, which UK Column covered on May 29th. Science reported on May 14th; T cells found in COVID-19 patients ‘bode well’ for long-term immunity.
 
T-cells are produced less in older people because of Vitamin D and Zinc deficiency, which may be one reason their immune system cannot fight off the coronavirus. But who needs Vit D and Zinc when you can get the Bill Gates Corporatist Vaccine?
 
CHILDREN IN BROWNSHIRTS AND MASKS
The NYT pulls a Greta Thunberg on kids, encouraging them to wear masks and getting them to act like brownshirts against the adults: How to Help Kids Embrace Mask-Wearing, Jun 23. 

“What a beautiful thing is a face mask if it gives us back our world. Most children enjoy the chance to feel morally superior to adults; go ahead and enourage a little righteousness.”

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/06/23/well/family/children-masks-coronavirus.html
 
CONSTITUTION TRASHED
Lawyer and physician Dr. Simone Gold blows the mask psyop wide open in the Tennessee Star:

It is clear to me as a physician-lawyer that the disinformation about both Covid-19 and the Constitution has caused us to turn a medical issue into a legal crisis.

The scientific usefulness of a mask has been so aggressively overstated, and the foundational importance of the Constitution has been so aggressively understated, that we have normalized people screaming obscenities at each other while hiking.

The Covid virus was supposed to be contained in the kind of lab where people wear astronaut suits and go through triple sealed doors. It is a con of massive proportion to assert that now, having escaped those environs, a bandana will magically do the trick.

https://tennesseestar.com/2020/06/29/dr-simone-gold-commentary-we-do-not-consent/
 
CORPORATIONS AND STATES ARE MAKING VACCINES COMPULSORY – even while Bill Gates says the vaccine will not be mandatory. it’s not going to be governments that force the vaccines on us – they will be essential as the terms and conditions of doing business or living your life, traveling, going to school, working etc.
 
University of Tennessee requiring both the flu shot and Covid-19 vaccine for students, faculty and contractors to reenter campus. https://www.knoxnews.com/story/news/education/2020/06/26/university-tennessee-require-flu-shot-potential-covid-19-vaccine/3264276001/
 
So the virus doesn’t affect 99.5% of the population and only a small proportion of those are seriously injured or die. But you will be required to take an experimental vaccine.


ame
ame
Jul 4, 2020 4:18 PM

Allan Francovich: The Maltese Double-Cross – Lockerbie (1994)

Moneycircus
Moneycircus
Jul 4, 2020 5:02 PM
Reply to  ame

Lester Coleman exposed that the U.S. had inside knowledge, advance knowledge of Lockerbie and that its agents likely had a hand in the bombing. https://wikispooks.com/wiki/Lester_Coleman
 
Another corroboration is the behavior of FBI Assistant Director Oliver “Buck”. On 21 December 1988, shortly before Pan Am Flight 103 took off from London’s Heathrow airport at 18:25 hours, Revell reportedly rushed out onto the tarmac and pulled his son and daughter-in-law off the plane. The Lockerbie bombing was not the first time authorities were warned of an impending terrorist attack. The situation would repeat itself five years later in New York City, and seven years later in Oklahoma. It was an all too eerie coincidence. https://wikispooks.com/wiki/Oliver_Revell#Disaster_warning
 
Trail of the Octopus: From Beirut to Lockerbie – Inside the DIA is a book co-written by Lester Coleman and Donald Goddard. It received its United Kingdom publication in 1993 and its first United States publication in 2009.
Excerpts here: http://11syyskuu.net/octopus/trail.ch.1.htm

BobH
BobH
Jul 6, 2020 2:07 AM
Reply to  Moneycircus

Thanks for the links. You probably already know The Corbett Report has done a two part series on the Octopus. It’s a bit repetitive and could use some editing but I’ll put it up here for those who haven’t seen it.https://www.corbettreport.com/hunting-the-octopus/

Moneycircus
Moneycircus
Jul 4, 2020 6:03 PM
Reply to  ame

Excellent addendum to the Francovich documentary is Lockerbie: Case Closed by Al Jazeera which looks into the bribery and corruption of key witness Tony Gauci
https://youtu.be/XxMfxYUP6VI

BobH
BobH
Jul 5, 2020 11:00 PM
Reply to  ame

Thanks for a credible version of PA 103…long but worth while watching. It’s interesting that the same shills for the system keep popping up…Robert Mueller, Oliver North.

BobH
BobH
Jul 6, 2020 2:24 AM
Reply to  ame

Note: Robert Mueller has a small role in the video supporting the official version of events. Apart from Russiagate he was also the director of the Enron investigation where he neglected to subpoena Dick Cheney, who was at the core of energy deregulation. Enron’s accounting company(Arthur Anderson) conveniently shredded what must have been incriminating notes just before the company filed for bankruptcy.

EarlofSuave
EarlofSuave
Jul 4, 2020 3:54 PM

There is a short segment about the Whitlam coup in Scott Noble’s excellent ‘Counter-Intelligence’ (see Part 1, about 30′ in). Quite shocking to see that the likes of CBS did some actual ‘journalisting’ back in the olden days.
 
http://metanoia-films.org/counter-intelligence/

Dungroanin
Dungroanin
Jul 4, 2020 3:12 PM

Great, but why now, why here? Maybe all will become clear …

But for now, I hope the ensuing articles tie it in with the coup against Harold Wilson at the same time;
And the most recent coup against the Corbynite Labour Party over the last few years.

Culminating in the postal vote fraud that was the ‘mechanism’ of that last coup.

And the fraud of The BrexShit referendum which followed the necessary pre fraud of the Scottish Independence referendum.

The same institutions and powers and ancient families and their old proclivities – including pedophilia and Masonic practices and Exceptionalism.

The ‘Queen’ was a mere instrument of the house of Battenberg once she was captured by the Greek – just as Victoria was captured by Albert a hundred years before – Her Mum and Dicky sold the farm.

We Brits really need to get over the whole Royalty worship now – hell, even Harry did!

Let’s have no more limited hangouts, eh?
(Ain’t holding my breath)

————

Ps – if OFF-G has not chosen to withhold the notification emails – perhaps a gremlin should be sacrificed to provide excuse for it – it is now many a day and many a time I have asked and I can only conclude it is on purpose. Hence censorship.

I assume all the other regulars are getting theirs?

Calamity Jane
Calamity Jane
Jul 4, 2020 7:40 PM
Reply to  Dungroanin

yip its a Rocekfeller Off shoot of Guardian .
Big on controlling the narrative and shoving mind control memes into unsuspecting people.
Censorship yip big on it as people who don’t want the facts out there tend to do.

Tony
Tony
Jul 4, 2020 9:01 PM
Reply to  Calamity Jane

77th brigade Jane, a £9 per hour metronome.

Admin1
Admin
Admin1
Jul 5, 2020 8:56 AM
Reply to  Dungroanin

We have not ‘chosen’ to withhold subscription emails. Why would we? We had to temporarily disable emailing notifications because of software issues and conflicts. We are having problems finding a non-Jetpack system that works securely and reliably with large volumes of email. Any suggestions let us know.

Dungroanin
Dungroanin
Jul 6, 2020 1:33 AM
Reply to  Admin1

I must have missed your memo saying you had stopped notification Emails for comment replies.

When did that article get published?

Did it stop for everyone ?

When you say it was temporary does that imply it is restored? Because I certainly haven’t received ANY since the 27th of June.

And I am not presented with the formatting options any more like block quotes or embedded YouTube videos. As it seems others still are.

What is a jet pack system anyway?

Admin1
Admin
Admin1
Jul 6, 2020 10:54 AM
Reply to  Dungroanin

No one is receiving subscription notices atm. We are looking for the best way to restore it, but since there are very few of us this takes time as it needs to be fitted in between the business of keeping the site going. It will be done.

The WYSIWYG editor is only available on desktops and larger tablets.

Jetpack is the native system used by WordPress to power an array of services and add-ons. We use it as sparingly as possible.

You remind me so much of Mrs Richards in Fawlty Towers sometimes. 😀

Tim Jenkins
Tim Jenkins
Jul 7, 2020 9:05 AM
Reply to  Admin1

When i order a room with a view, i expect to be able to see the Sea.

Lol, you made me choke on me’ morning coffee. Imaging Sydney opera house, perhaps, or herds of wildebeest sweeping majestically across the planes, before a new concept sprang to mind for The Hanging Garden of Babylon… 🙂

Ta, for the laugh and know that you are right to be searching solutions to jetison jetpack, permanently. A one way ticket for wordpress, who have not impressed on the back end of ‘thengs’ & irregular actioning, in my experience. Keep on, step by step, perserverence pays off and let’s be honest, you were not expecting patience in a man … i ache everywhere, loads of extra work this last nine months, like you… but you gave me the most pleasurable pain in the butt from squirming and rocking the chair with laughter, a healthy dose.
Much empathy, Sophie.
Best wishes,
Tim

Land Rights4 Broad Baens
Land Rights4 Broad Baens
Jul 8, 2020 2:52 PM
Reply to  Dungroanin

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Cliff Edwards
Cliff Edwards
Jul 7, 2020 1:18 AM
Reply to  Dungroanin

“BrexShit”? Diddums.

George Mc
George Mc
Jul 4, 2020 3:00 PM

OT but look here:
 
https://freespeechonisrael.org.uk/starmer-open-letter/#sthash.8gp807RP.NGwLfTLg.dpbs
 

This letter was sent to Labour Party Leader Keir Starmer on 27 June 2020. No response was received.

 
That’s 7 days and counting. Don’t hold your breath!

JUSIF
JUSIF
Jul 4, 2020 3:07 PM
Reply to  George Mc

The British must adopt a sudo democracy, without any real opposition to the neoliberal project. Israe is helping in that project. Starmer must be stunned that we cant all see what a fraud he is. I believe what shocks them most is that they get away with it, the power of the CIA is amazing, a wonder of the modern world.

Watt
Watt
Jul 4, 2020 4:29 PM
Reply to  George Mc

An encouraging list, all the same!

Moneycircus
Moneycircus
Jul 4, 2020 2:58 PM

Related – Censorship has got to the stage where you are not allowed to discuss official, government data. You may only REPEAT that “you have to wear a mask”. It is taboo to discuss the information that informs your choice to wear a mask. Even if the government says masks are not mandatory.
 
You may attend the Football Game… you cannot discuss or challenge the result. You may not challenge the rules or question the umpire. THIS IS THE MILITARY MIND. Like war. You can fight, even die, but don’t complain. It’s not patriotic to question the outcome. This is military censorship – so it tells you where this censorship is coming from.
 
You cannot discuss information from the CDC and WHO. You cannot discuss U.S. mercenaries caught in the Venezuela coup attempt. (Google is currently deleting videos for doing exactly this).
 
Do they say the information is untrue or fake? No, because it is the government’s information. They just don’t like you talking about it.
 
You are not allowed to discuss it – because you are not allowed to discuss it. Google enters in the box where it is supposed to say how you violated the terms of service: “violated terms of service”.
 
The Last American Vagabond, from Jul 1 https://www.thelastamericanvagabond.com/

aspnaz
aspnaz
Jul 4, 2020 3:11 PM
Reply to  Moneycircus

The guy was an out of control Aussie lunatic, a leftist radical who believed all his subjects voted for him and wanted extreme change. Bad mistake. Taken down for being an idiot and preventing the wealth generators from making wealth for Australia. Someone has to pay those unemployment bills!

George Mc
George Mc
Jul 4, 2020 4:01 PM
Reply to  aspnaz

Extreme change comes all the time from capitalism. Those who call themselves “conservatives” are the whores of the eternally unstable money flows. And “wealth generators” are parasites sponging on the population. This also applies to your brain dead drivel below.

S Cooper
S Cooper
Jul 4, 2020 7:06 PM
Reply to  aspnaz

Now say that with conviction.

S Cooper
S Cooper
Jul 4, 2020 7:17 PM
Reply to  S Cooper
George Mc
George Mc
Jul 4, 2020 8:11 PM
Reply to  aspnaz

who believed all his subjects voted for him

 
He didn’t have “subjects”. “Subjects” are people who don’t get the chance to vote and just have to take who they are given. The Queen has “subjects”. And you seem to be all in favour of her.

aspnaz
aspnaz
Jul 4, 2020 2:57 PM

Gough Whitlam sounds like a total tool. Didn’t he understand the basic principals that people regard as sacrosanct: stability, solw change. So he marched in as a revolutionary into a conservative world, triggered the wealthy industrialists in Australia to spur the Queen into trying to calm this guy down. Sounds like the Queen did the right thing, the man was out of control: I wonder how the people who did not vote for him felt, after all, every elected politician can either play to his voters or be a representative. Sounds like this guy was playing to his voters, and fuck the representation bit. Good, the Queen sorted it out, I’m sure with a lot of government help.

George Mc
George Mc
Jul 4, 2020 8:14 PM
Reply to  aspnaz

Sounds like this guy was playing to his voters, and fuck the representation bit.

 
Yes – imagine doing what he said he would! He should have gone with “the representation bit” and did what he DIDN’T say he would!

Mishko
Mishko
Jul 4, 2020 10:29 PM
Reply to  aspnaz

Wealthy industrialists triggered in their safe space, good one!
Oh, and Mr. Wilson was an avant-garde populist? He must have been an awful person.

Rhys Jaggar
Rhys Jaggar
Jul 9, 2020 10:40 AM
Reply to  aspnaz

By your mantras, Maggie Thatcher should have been got rid of pretty sharpish. She rapidly introduced economic collapse with no recovery plan beyond ‘laissez faire’. We had 3 million unemployed in 1981, up 2.5 million from 1979.
 
If that is not revolutionary, radical, rapid change, what is?

Germs Bond
Germs Bond
Jul 4, 2020 2:56 PM

Off Topic I don’t know if it’s been mentioned already: Simon Dolan is expecting a good outcome from his is court case around the coronavirus scam. I truly can’t believe it because the implications would be Earth shattering. It would mean we had a functioning judiciary. Anyway fingers crossed.

Steve Hayes
Steve Hayes
Jul 4, 2020 3:12 PM
Reply to  Germs Bond

The Coronavirus Act 2020 and associated regulations are clearly unlawful. The act is incompatible with the Human Rights Act 1998. It clearly violates the European Convention on Human Rights. Its various clauses violate law after law and are blatantly ultra vires. One obvious example is the power of police officers and others to detain persons indefinitely on the basis of nothing more than suspicion. If this case makes it to the Supreme Court, the judgement is almost certainly a foregone conclusion.

JudyJ
JudyJ
Jul 4, 2020 4:51 PM
Reply to  Germs Bond
John Pretty
John Pretty
Jul 4, 2020 11:16 PM
Reply to  Germs Bond

“It would mean we had a functioning judiciary.”
 
You’ve got a short memory. The Supreme court hit Boris last year for extending the parliamentary recess.

Asgard 2208
Asgard 2208
Jul 8, 2020 8:19 PM
Reply to  John Pretty

Is that same Supreme Court that just rubber stamped the theft of Venezuela’s gold, and gave to that CIA stooge Guaido?

JUSIF
JUSIF
Jul 4, 2020 2:49 PM

You should note that prince Andrew is currently hanging by his balls at the mercy of the US ‘Justice’ system, run by the US deep state. It underlines the complete powerless of the UK royal institutions who are nothing more than ornaments to a dead empire which is now a total vassal of the USA.
 
The important word that eludes you is leverage. The UK and its monarchy are powerless inside the American Empire, because it has none. All the 5 eyes countries are servants and vassal states of the US Washington elites. In the word Anglo American Intelligence, the word ‘Anglo’ is redundant, why would it be any other way ? we were told that in 1956 during the Suez humiliation.
 
 

Admin1
Admin
Admin1
Jul 5, 2020 8:49 AM
Reply to  JUSIF

The idea the royals are powerless is a gatekeeper claim, and factually nul.

JoeC
JoeC
Jul 4, 2020 1:34 PM

Norman Gunston says it all really.

https://youtu.be/K9hZ7kjgFh4

Steve Hayes
Steve Hayes
Jul 4, 2020 12:42 PM

I note that Professor Hocking is an emeritus professor. Is it not revealing how much actually important scholarly endeavour is nowadays conducted by retired academics, as opposed to the support the official narrative approach of the actually employed academics?

gordon
gordon
Jul 4, 2020 12:13 PM

gough was a virus
was an evil doer you could see it in his eyes full of distemper disease
an anti semite
if left unchecked a possible new hitler.
 
lovers of israel always need to be on the watch for new hitlers
 
 
we said never again in after 1945 if left unchecked the outback would today be a barren lethal certainly at a min a dangerous plaice
friends of lord jimmy savilles i say this
 
shirley for those that have eys to seas is it not obvious my life already
 
the sachs coburg gotha battenbergs mountbatten blah blahs had to strike cough while the poker was red hot is it not
gough like a cough in germy theory spreads expo nentials
we could not have that
 
 
what of the picnic in canada the little native american kinder vanish
like the young girls of hanging rock childrens never to be seen again
after royal visit
 
 
dave dave can you feel it
daisy daisee give me your answer do
bot out
 
 

sharon marlowe
sharon marlowe
Jul 4, 2020 12:42 PM
Reply to  gordon

Lovers of Israel need a new moral compass, the one they’re using is broken.

Steve Hayes
Steve Hayes
Jul 4, 2020 1:08 PM
Reply to  sharon marlowe

There are no moral compasses. The term is a metaphor designed to obscure the fact that everyone has moral sense.

sharon marlowe
sharon marlowe
Jul 4, 2020 1:46 PM
Reply to  Steve Hayes

lol Are you for real?

Steve Hayes
Steve Hayes
Jul 4, 2020 1:49 PM
Reply to  sharon marlowe

Yes.

sharon marlowe
sharon marlowe
Jul 4, 2020 1:52 PM
Reply to  Steve Hayes

Did you go online trying to buy a moral compass? 😀

Steve Hayes
Steve Hayes
Jul 4, 2020 1:55 PM
Reply to  sharon marlowe

No.
 
As I said, everyone has moral sense, and there is no such thing as moral compass.

sharon marlowe
sharon marlowe
Jul 4, 2020 1:59 PM
Reply to  Steve Hayes

Don’t read poetry,you’ll end up at Amazon all day ;D

Jura Calling
Jura Calling
Jul 4, 2020 8:32 PM
Reply to  sharon marlowe

That pretty much incriminates the last 5 presidents of America and the last 6 PMs of the UK.And Germany’s Merkel thing.It’s anti semitic now if you don’t want to murder Muslims or blow Palestine to bits.

gordon
gordon
Jul 4, 2020 1:59 PM
Reply to  gordon

6 down votes i was hoping for a masonic 33
in line with covid hoax numberings
battenbergers kaballas masonics get a move on

Ergo
Ergo
Jul 4, 2020 2:02 PM
Reply to  gordon

What did you put in the water?

sharon marlowe
sharon marlowe
Jul 4, 2020 2:29 PM
Reply to  Ergo

I’m guessing that Gordon was making an attempt at satire while drunk on Fosters 😀
 
But hey, Picnic at Hanging Rock and 2001: A Space Odyssey got a mention today–good movies:)

gordon
gordon
Jul 4, 2020 7:07 PM
Reply to  sharon marlowe

satire no
nice name marlowe
lovely kit was snuffed out by the crown
in deptford long ago
walshingham walsingham sir thomas
 
i’m sure you are not blood relation
 
the royals victoria and liz are german are they not
 
in fact the basis of laws and acts are void since 1950
 
the coronation stone being fake and all
the stone is vital
 
thus everything is fraud
 
gough should have carried on
as windsor cough cough sachs coburg did not have authority
 
she would have had to boston break gough.
 
 
the crown fraud
i here prince phillip is on ice

sharon marlowe
sharon marlowe
Jul 4, 2020 9:50 PM
Reply to  gordon

“satire no”
 
But was I right about you being drunk on Fosters?

gordon
gordon
Jul 4, 2020 7:12 PM
Reply to  Ergo

a conscious stream
liquid
fluid dynamics
memory
 
 
 
ohhh just forget it
 
get out palmer

Martin Usher
Martin Usher
Jul 4, 2020 7:52 PM
Reply to  gordon

At the risk of sticking my head above the parapet big time I should remark that there’s a lot of confusion — deliberate confusion — spread about anti-Semitism because of the practice of delberately coflating Zionism with Judaism. I’ve never liked Zionism because at its core its another of those 19th century peoples’ movements that single out one ethnic group as ‘special’, a practice that’s guaranteed to create political problems and inter-racial strife.
 
This is a complicated subject and I’m not sure what its got to do with this coup (I’m glad someone’s come right out and labeled it as such). I remember it happening and being a bit surprised that the Aussies didn’t just tell the British government to go screw it self but then as we all know ‘the rule of law’ largely depends on who’s law is making the rules.

Moneycircus
Moneycircus
Jul 4, 2020 11:15 AM

The moment you challenge the Crown you become a Right Winger nowadays on Wikipedia. That tickles me pink having personally met some very senior people who serve and protect the Crown – you would struggle to find more extreme right wingers anywhere!
 
The Great Australian Party vs the Corporate Crown – with Rod Culleton, farmer and former Senator for Western Australia, Senate candidate for Victoria Darryl O’Bryan and Lower House candidate for Casey (east Victoria) Jayden O’Connor.
 
The conversation gets going at 3:00 minutes.


Moneycircus
Moneycircus
Jul 4, 2020 11:02 AM

https://WhitlamDismissal.com/ – a web site devoted to “the most dramatic political event in the history of Australia’s Federation.”.
 
Useful resource of documents related to the dismissal, key individuals, timelines etc.
 

Mr Perfect
Mr Perfect
Jul 4, 2020 2:44 PM
Reply to  Moneycircus

thanks very much for that.
I was in a state of disbelief when it happened.

Dave
Dave
Jul 4, 2020 10:54 AM


Her Majesty’s Government
Her Majesty’s Customs and Excise
Her Majesty’s Police
Her Majesty’s Prison
Her Majesty’s Pleasure
Her Majesty’s Presidents https://familypedia.wikia.org/wiki/Genealogical_relationships_of_Presidents_of_the_United_States
I’m sure it is happy coincidence the “corona” virus

John
John
Jul 4, 2020 10:44 AM

It is clear Whitlam was a socialist veiled in a democratic coat of many colours . A committee was created with the full backing of the federal government to enforce equal pay for men and women while free universities as well as free health insurance were begun. Lots for free

Scott Andrews
Scott Andrews
Jul 5, 2020 3:49 AM
Reply to  John

OMG, that evil bastard!

antitermite
antitermite
Jul 4, 2020 10:35 AM

Interesting, my understanding is that The Crown was jumping to the tune of Tricky Dick; to wit Gough had crossed the line when he threatened Pine Gap:

https://independentaustralia.net/politics/politics-display/gough-whitlam-and-the-cias-forgotten-coup,7029

“Whitlam demanded to know if and why the CIA was running a spy base at Pine Gap near Alice Springs — a giant vacuum cleaner which, as Edward Snowden revealed recently, allows the U.S. to spy on everyone.

“Try to screw us or bounce us,” Whitlam warned the U.S. ambassador, “[and Pine Gap] will become a matter of contention”.

Victor Marchetti, the CIA officer who had helped set up Pine Gap, later told me:

“This threat to close Pine Gap caused apoplexy in the White House. … a kind of Chile [coup] was set in motion.”

[Pine Gap being a cornerstone of hegemony, the listening post of the empire and probably the furthest from a shoreline – and Russian / Chinese subs – to place a US base]

“Cheats Shouldn’t Prosper” is a sentiment that has carried true to this day. (noting the distinction from the usual phrasing “never”)

Moneycircus
Moneycircus
Jul 4, 2020 10:50 AM
Reply to  antitermite

Gough Whitlam is a rare opportunity to see how these interests coalesce
 
What does it tell us about TPTB and the interlacing of the Corporate Crown (Mi5/6) and the Corporatist Boot Boys (CIA)… Whodunnit – Her Majesty’s Order of Bootlickers or the Royal Ministration of the Tongue or the Secret Society of Boners and Skulls.

Mr Perfect
Mr Perfect
Jul 4, 2020 2:51 PM
Reply to  antitermite

I always thought that the questioning of the existence and functioning of Pine Gap was enough to have Whitlam removed.
We needed the peppercorns.

Geoffrey Skoll
Geoffrey Skoll
Jul 4, 2020 8:28 PM
Reply to  antitermite

On many occasions Caitlin Johnstone referred to the US takeover of Australia, but until this article, I did not know what she was talking about. Now I do. Thanks for the information! Of course the crown’s power was realy just a legalistic maneuver. All of the Five Eyes; the settler genocidal regimes of Australia, Canada, New Zealand, and the USA plus the motherland; are all beholden to Wall Street and Washington.

kenny_the_pict
kenny_the_pict
Jul 4, 2020 10:23 AM

…my view of this foul dictatorship pans out a bit further…in my view, the British Empire is the Roman Empire and these satellite entities [USA, The Antipodes, Japan,India/Pakistan, China, Russia..etc] have never tasted “freedom” from their iron grip…look at the punishment unleashed upon the German upstarts, who were perceived as a threat to “The British Empire” long before old Adolf became a patsy…speaking of Cecil Rhodes, i postulate that entities such as MI5/6, CIA, and the numerous other alphabetti spaghetti “agencies” are sub sets of The MOSSAD…i posit that this has nothing to do with the people of Palestine/Israel because the prevailing mindset doesn’t see National borders…it is my assertion that this terrorist organisation is at the centre of what we now perceive…just a little ramble…!!

Moneycircus
Moneycircus
Jul 4, 2020 10:09 AM

A fascinating sideline is the secretive Nugan Hand Bank that was used to undermine Gough Whitlam, quite likely by paying off Australian politicians and buying their complicity. A later investigation by Australian authorities found the CIA used Nugan Hand to incite political unrest, manipulate Australian elections and create deception.
 
That other Guardian, The Worker’s Weekly of the CP of Australia, has a useful summary of Nugan Hand’s involvement with the ousting of Gough Whitlam, written by Joan Coxsedge. https://www.cpa.org.au/guardian/2017/1765/09-nugan-hand.html
 
Nugan Hand (founded 1973, Sydney) was, like the Bank of Credit and Commerce International (founded 1972, Luxembourg-Karachi) a means for the CIA to launder funds derived from narcotics trading while financing CIA operations in many parts of the world.*
 

Michael Hand was a Green Beret and colonel in the U.S. Army assigned to the CIA, who had experience running cocaine in Latin America and who developed the Golden Triangle drug operations for the CIA. Director of Central Intelligence Willam Casey frequently met Hand in Panama in the early 1980s to discuss arms sales and drugs trafficking. (Defrauding America, Vol. One by Rodney Stich)

 
Then his banking partner Frank Nugan, a lawyer from New South Wales, was found dead and Hand disappeared along with the bank records and approximately $1 billion. 
 

When Nugan’s body was discovered behind the wheel of his Mercedes off a highway 100 miles west of Sydney in 1980, police rifling through his pockets found the business card of William Colby, a former Director of Central Intelligence and Saigon station chief who was the bank’s legal counsel. Another partner in the venture, Bernie Houghton, was a former U.S. Air Force intelligence operative and Vietnam War contractor who was close friends with several ranking CIA officials.

But now [Michael Hand] has suddenly popped up under a new name in Idaho, insisting he did nothing wrong, and Australian authorities seem in no rush to get him back.“

In 1982, the CIA, rattled by media reports tying it to his bank personnel’s alleged drug-running and attempts to undermine Australian Prime Minister Gough Whitlam, issued an unusual rebuttal. “The CIA,” a spokesman said, “has not engaged in operations against the Australian government, has no ties with Nugan Hand and does not involve itself in drug trafficking.” — Newsweek: The Ghosts of Nugan Hand: A New Chapter in a Long-Running CIA Bank Mystery (Nov, 2015)

 
Aged 79, Michael Jon Hand was last reported as still living in Idaho, while close friends such as George HW Bush have shuffled off to The Great Poppy Field In The Sky. Two other former Directors of Central Intelligence with whom Hand was on first-name terms, William Colby and William Casey were less fortunate, having met untimely deaths.
 
See also The Politics of Heroin in SE Asia by Alfred McCoy http://www.akha.org/content/akhainlaos/docs/opiumlaosmccoy.html
 

Willem
Willem
Jul 4, 2020 9:35 AM

Off topic.

If you believe in man made climate change, you believe in the usefulness of mouth masks as the David’s of medialens show here: https://www.medialens.org/2020/conspiracy-theories-malign-and-benign-face-masks-and-israeli-training-of-us-police/

I am amazed that the media lens editors have no problem seeing through the phoniness of foreign policy wars, yet cannot see through the phoniness of wearing mouth masks and man made climate change.

Whether they like it or not or know it or not, all media lens does is to cover one lie (mouth masks and climate change) with a truth (the phoniness of foreign policy wars), thereby making it difficult for sceptic readers to denounce their articles as phony as readers may think there is nothing phony about criticizing foreign policy wars.

Hiding a lie under a truth is a 77 brigade tactic they are following and although they may not knowingly follow the tactic, in practice it doesn’t matter.

Still amazed to see this happening at media lens. I used to think they were very good, and if I browse to their old media alerts, I still think those were good. Something has changed there and it’s not for the better.

Willem
Willem
Jul 4, 2020 9:55 AM
Reply to  Willem

Darren Allen on Media Lens and a few other so called ‘socialists’. Long, but informative

https://expressiveegg.org/2019/07/08/7-unofficial-socialists-1/

And some other closely related criticism of media lens by Tarzie, where it is explained that all that is missing in heroic figures like Chomsky, Media Lens and Greenwald is Class.

https://ohtarzie.wordpress.com/2015/06/13/conspiracy-and-class-interest/

Jane
Jane
Jul 4, 2020 10:02 AM
Reply to  Willem

Media Lens are not alone among alternative media in supporting the whole covid19 as zombie apocalypse narrative. Moon of Alabama and Diana Johnstone are two others that spring to mind.

superbuggg
superbuggg
Jul 4, 2020 10:19 AM
Reply to  Willem

Yes, I wrote to the two David’s of medialens.org to tell them why I unsubscribed. They are too selective and blinkered on darker the conspiracies e.g. Assange being a controlled opposition muppet!

Tony
Tony
Jul 4, 2020 6:30 PM
Reply to  superbuggg

You 77th brigaders are really working hard on OffG at the moment, aren’t you?

superbuggg
superbuggg
Jul 4, 2020 7:45 PM
Reply to  Tony

I can google ’77th Brigade’ naturally, but does anyone know what this guy actually means? Is he upset because he hasn’t yet discovered Assange was raised in a pseudo-Christian cult provided with LSD buy the CIA and is likely mind controlled? Recommend –

Tony
Tony
Jul 4, 2020 9:06 PM
Reply to  superbuggg

Your future is to be strung up from a lamp post, 77th brigade scumbag.

Tony
Tony
Jul 4, 2020 9:07 PM
Reply to  Tony

And all for £9 an hour. It’s fucking funny and sad at the same time.

superbuggg
superbuggg
Jul 4, 2020 9:11 PM
Reply to  Tony

…you are simply mistaken ‘Tony’. How mean-spirited you come across! I am a cat-loving vegetarian musician. Now apologise!

Tony
Tony
Jul 4, 2020 9:41 PM
Reply to  superbuggg

Don’t bother. Last time, it was stuff and nonsense about your browser settings, when you were posting under the user name ‘Objective’. You’re outed. Goodbye.

Tony
Tony
Jul 4, 2020 9:20 PM
Reply to  Tony

Like I keep saying: If you want to identify the security services trolls, look at the posters who claim that our leading lights and spokespeople are security services assets. It’s these trolls’ standard operating procedure. They mix in plenty of inconsequential posts that fit in with the mood of the board to make it seem like they are genuine posters. But the real purpose of their presence is to turn us all against our spokespeople. If they attack our spokespeople, they are security services trolls. It’s not rocket science. And, you know what? They are gaining traction on OffG.They are defeating you.

Tony
Tony
Jul 4, 2020 9:24 PM
Reply to  Tony

And why would any reg on OffG need to google “77th brigade”? That reply is a dead giveaway all of it’s own. Doh!!!

Tony
Tony
Jul 4, 2020 9:33 PM
Reply to  Tony

And I’ve just worked out who ‘superbuggg’ is: It’s our dear departed American troll ‘Objective’ who used to pretend to be an ex-Territorial Army Englishman.

superbuggg
superbuggg
Jul 5, 2020 7:49 AM
Reply to  Tony

M’8, how do you think you’ve worked that out? – you’re wholly mislead! One need not condescend to such a terse level of egoistic paranoia – departed American troll ‘Objective’ who used to pretend to be an ex-Territorial Army Englishman”, snigger! I’m good to admit that I’m a cat-loving vegetarian musician who lives in Stamford Hill. Ask me a bus route, or local shop – or mockney ryhming slang – whatever satisfies you! Cockwomble!

Tony
Tony
Jul 5, 2020 9:16 AM
Reply to  superbuggg

Isn’t google a wonderful thing? I can tell you any bus route in the world, where any restaurant/cafe/bar is, and list examples of local slang anywhere (though you slipped up again there: it’s cockney rhyming slang. A mockney is a fake cockney. A freudian slip on your part.).

Still, at least you’re being more careful not to let your American English slip out.

Sally
Sally
Jul 5, 2020 9:55 AM
Reply to  Tony

Australians are never the sharpest tool in the box!

superbuggg
superbuggg
Jul 5, 2020 7:50 AM
Reply to  Tony

…assumptions are dangerous Tony – just ask your first wife!

Moneycircus
Moneycircus
Jul 5, 2020 6:14 AM
Reply to  superbuggg
Tony
Tony
Jul 5, 2020 9:32 AM
Reply to  Moneycircus

What a load of upside down tinfoil hat nonsense. The claim, that Assange is a CIA asset because Wikileaks publishing the Clinton/Podesta emails damaged Killary’s election campaign and the CIA wanted Trump elected, falls on it’s arse at the first hurdle: Trump has been fighting a running battle with the alphabet agencies since the day he was elected. Indeed, the FBI tried (illegally, and in collusion with the DNC) to sabotage the Trump election campaign with it’s Russiagate secret court orders.

Never Trumpers, Honestly!!! They’ll peddle any nonsense. Christ, they’ve even tried to turn one of the most evil men in the world, John Bolton, into an American Hero!!!

Moneycircus
Moneycircus
Jul 8, 2020 8:32 AM
Reply to  Tony

I feel free to link or post arguments that are contrary to accepted wisdom, confident that people can asses their worth.
 
The opposite would be to refuse to investigate arguments that one (emotionally) does not want to hear.
 
And I’d never suggest that of Off-Guardian readers! As an example, take the Lockerbie thread elsewhere on this page.

Donald Duck
Donald Duck
Jul 4, 2020 9:02 AM

Really, Kings and Queens, royal families in this day and age! A pantomime for the masses. If you want to put the blame on someone for the continuation of this anachronism blame Sir Thomas Fairfax. The honourable gentleman was commander-in-chief in the New Model Army of Parliament during the civil war 1642-29 which ended the monarchy, saw Charles 1st executed in 1649 for treason and established the English Republic. Fairfax, however, for reasons best known to himself brought Charles 2nd back from exile in France and put him on the throne, and we have been stuck with this reactionary system of an unelected Head of State ever since.
 
Fairfax’s descendants emigrated to the US settled in Virginia and now Fairfax is a suburb of Washington DC. I only wish he had gone along with his family in the first place.

Edwige
Edwige
Jul 4, 2020 8:53 AM

Whitlam’s father was a freemason (see the Law section):
 
http://www.lodgedevotion.net/devotionnews/famous-australian-freemasons/large-list-of-notable-and-famous-australian-freemasons#_Toc503881768
 
The official version is that Whitlam’s father resigned and his son wasn’t a mason. Is it more or less likely that this is a cover story?
 
Some of the things people here are praising Whitlam for (like no-fault divorce) look very much part of the masonic agenda. Smashing up the family would reduce the support networks people might have to fall back on.
 
Whitlam wouldn’t be the only hero of the left to be a freemason. Daniel Ortega, Fidel Castro (see the freemasonic lodge in Cuba), in all probability Josef Stalin given his penchant for “hidden hand” imagery…. the list of candidates isn’t a short one.
 
It’s a stretch to call him a hero of the left but Bill Clinton says in his biography that he was a member of Demolay International (like Walt Disney) and the book’s first line contains a reference to 33.
 
Setting up a two-horse race and controlling both sides would be what’s going on here. Carroll Quigley, without mentioning freemasonry specifically, says as much – in ‘Tragedy and Hope’ on p911.

Ergo
Ergo
Jul 4, 2020 10:26 AM
Reply to  Edwige

“Smashing up the family would reduce the support networks people might have to fall back on”

This comment is a stretch if you dont mind my bluntness!

Prior to no fault divorce there was precious little support for a woman trapped in an unfriendly oftentimes violent marriage.

Children were trapped in chaos and fear, possibly unsafe, unprotected and unsupported from the vagaries of a marriage gone wrong.

Men were hardly supported during that era. They were still the principle breadwinner.

These were some of the issues that led to the Family Law Act (? date) that helped people get the supports they needed.

Families didn’t need to “smash up” as you put it…they could for the first time separate.

It would be unheard of today in Australia to maintain a marriage if divorce was a better option.

Moneycircus
Moneycircus
Jul 4, 2020 8:34 AM

The irony in Whitlam withdrawing from the Vietnam war is that Australia was promptly treated just like Vietnam.
 
It was French attempts to hold onto mineral rights in Cambodia/Vietnam, and the U.S. piggybacking on that by starting geological surveys in 1959, that was a key driver behind the war.
 
“Whitlam’s most unforgivable of sins was the policy to “buy back the farm” to take back control of Australia’s resources- 62% of which were own by multinational cartels such as London’s Rio Tinto.”
 
This shows that even if a country plays along with TPTB, and drops its “objectionable” PM and gives up any pretensions to independence and, instead, bows and scrapes and licks the master’s boot, it will still get stuffed.
 
That’s the lesson for today’s generation. You will not be “looked after” except in the most menial terms, for going along with the Corporatist Crown or Corporatist Government and you will lose every shred of humanity and self respect.
 
Gough Whitlam kept his.
 

Thom
Thom
Jul 4, 2020 7:57 AM

Well, possibly, but I suspect the Queen is only part of the Washington power structure, hence Harold Wilson’s sudden departure at around the same time after refusing to join the Vietnam War, and more recently the Queen’s collusion in the Brexit debacle.

Wilmers31
Wilmers31
Jul 4, 2020 8:29 AM
Reply to  Thom

It is solely about government ownership of enterprises, as opposed to private shareholders. Neither the Queen/House of Windsor nor the apparatchiks or moneyed elite in Washington have any inclination for public ownership. That is the common denominator in all the incidents of regime change after WWII.
 
Private ownership of all enterprises has now led to starvation wages and insecure jobs which has deleted the middle class everywhere. This has dented the economies everywhere. They think that people will spend more money in the economy when stimulation measures reduce interest rates. Really? People who have trouble making ends meet will not spend a little interest relief in the economy, they will reduce the mortgage or save it because everything is so unpredictable due to insecure jobs. This is the world which Whitlam tried to counteract and that is why he had to go.
 
It is no secret that the US use the 5eyes to ensure more business for their big corporations. That situation is exacerbated through BigTech which syphons off too much money to the US. It is not clear how we can change things. But usually, in world history there will be one unexpected event which resets all parameters. Covid could be it. Making China the focus enemy points to a nervousness that they are on shaky grounds.

Grafter
Grafter
Jul 4, 2020 10:00 AM
Reply to  Thom

The Queen and the rest of her avaricious tribe are a cancer in our society.

Jim McDonagh
Jim McDonagh
Jul 4, 2020 4:59 PM
Reply to  Grafter

The fact that the Queen and her tribe are in the main Germans always makes me chuckle when people get exercised over being British whatever that means? The last time I was in Australia it was composed of the descendants of Irish transportation , various growing herds of Asians a few Aborigines and a thin upper crust of English “tweeds” who run everything .

porkpie
porkpie
Jul 5, 2020 12:08 AM
Reply to  Thom

Wilson had refused to get involved in Vietnam for years before this, back to LBJ’s time.

Gary Weglarz
Gary Weglarz
Jul 4, 2020 5:52 AM

In the West our political class who shill for oligarchy – and the MSM who shill for the political class – all refer to such corrupt amoral assaults on democracy as in the sacking of Whitlam- euphemistically as – “respect for the rule of law.” A phrase which of course when “translated” from ‘New Speak’ means simply – “you can vote for whomever you like – but we’ll still “do” whatever we want.”

aspnaz
aspnaz
Jul 4, 2020 3:01 PM
Reply to  Gary Weglarz

The most wealthy have to preserve the country for all its citizens, not just for the rebels, such as yourself.

Reg
Reg
Jul 4, 2020 5:16 AM

And now here’s a bit of feminism for you. Brown Lives Don’t Matter!
 
https://www.anti-empire.com/yay-imperial-media-celebrates-feminist-bombing-of-the-middle-east/

crispy
crispy
Jul 4, 2020 4:01 PM
Reply to  Reg

anti – empire = 😵😵😵😵😵😵😵😵

sharon marlowe
sharon marlowe
Jul 4, 2020 4:40 PM
Reply to  Reg

‘Right wing feminism’. It’s good to point it out. A good example of what can happen if you don’t, is when someone says the jews are killing Palestinians, while missing the term, ‘right wing jews’. Left wing jews are against killing Palestinians. Left wing feminists aren’t interested in flying bombers for imperialism;)

paul
paul
Jul 4, 2020 5:40 PM
Reply to  Reg

It was really woke of Trump to appoint Haspel as the new Torturer In Chief.
Everybody knows that Bombing Brown People and Torturing Brown People is good for them. We only do it for their own good.

SteveEss
SteveEss
Jul 4, 2020 4:23 AM

Admin, I dont see my Aussie post (or those of others by now, I’m assuming)… I know today has been a relentless attack on Off-G (very hard to get on this a.m.)… Thanks for all you do, battle with, and provide for… Time to donate again, no doubt…
Please delete this post if, and when, normalcy is reacaptured… And much thanks…!

SteveEss
SteveEss
Jul 4, 2020 4:00 AM

I must say it’s about time Australia is front and center, and it’s about time someone brought Gough Whitlam to the fore…

I am not an Aussie, but have (and had) many Aussie friends…

In my youth I was absurdly impressionable, and thought that JFK was God-sent… In an early history class, now long forgotten, I learned of Whitlam, and how he endeavored to cull all Brit influence and create an Australia by and for Australians only… I considered him a southern hemisphere JFK, in my youthful naivety, and thought Australia was lucky to have such a leader…

The above essay has filled in many details of which I was ignorant to… What I’ve learned today about Gough Whitlam I find sad…

I’d love to know, from the many Off-G Aussies, what is your take on this article, and these letters…? And exactly what do they teach you in history in school about Whitlam…?

(As an aside, the reference in the above essay about VietNam woke long slumbering memories in me of 2 Aussie friends I made while serving there all those years ago… 2 guys who were truly ‘bros’, had my back, and how I had forgotten them…)

Thank you, Off-G… They are no longer forgotten…

Ann Caddigan
Ann Caddigan
Jul 4, 2020 5:12 AM
Reply to  SteveEss

I had no idea. Yes, bring it to the fore. Thanks. Beautifully written comment.

Oggy
Oggy
Jul 4, 2020 5:27 AM
Reply to  SteveEss

In a nutshell,just insidious,I was never so relieved when my marble never came out in the Conscription Lottery,”I was only nineteen”.My choice was stark Military Brig,or hide somewhere but where ?,then be a criminal for the rest of my life,no wonder I despise Imperialism etc.

Marilyn Shepherd
Marilyn Shepherd
Jul 4, 2020 6:09 AM
Reply to  SteveEss

To baby boomers in the millions he was God after the stultifying rule of one Bob Menzies, the man who sold out iron to Japan during the war, slobbered on the Queen at every opportunity and tried to keep the country in the 19th century. I was a few weeks off 20, the following year he brought in a pension for single mothers to stop the cruel and inhuman practice of babies being taken from women and girls for the crime of ”not being married”, it came in 1 month before my daughter was born. He brought in family court too, and equal opportunity and all manner of things like free university, all these things have now been destroyed, mainly by his own Australian labor party.

Mr Perfect
Mr Perfect
Jul 4, 2020 6:29 AM

From memory the free university places benefited the middle class not the working class as few children of working class parents took advantage of the scheme.
Did Whitlam increase the support for vocational education?
(In mid-1960s a survey of first year students at Melbourne University published in the Melbourne University Studies in Education,about 13% came from the working class,the rest from the middle class and upper middle class.)

Mr Perfect
Mr Perfect
Jul 4, 2020 6:50 AM
Reply to  Mr Perfect

and just to add a question-Didn’t the previous government begin the process of granting aboriginal land rights?Witlam thrust it along …and I was infected with the euphoria which was quite incredible at that time.
Australia was on the move!

Nastran
Nastran
Jul 4, 2020 7:33 AM
Reply to  Mr Perfect

Mr Perfect, are you deflecting or you are confused. What do you mean by “benefiting” some particular class?Point here is free access to university education. For every citizen. That would benefit all.
It is normal that from less educated class will be less interest.

Mr Perfect
Mr Perfect
Jul 4, 2020 3:09 PM
Reply to  Nastran

Yes,you are correct.The working class did not have a culture of sending its children to university for various reasons.
 
When I was manning an induction desk at an Australian University in 1972 ,most first year students I interviewed who were drawn from middle class suburbs judging from the high school they attended ,said”Mum said I should go”.

Nastran
Nastran
Jul 4, 2020 10:10 PM
Reply to  Mr Perfect

Deflecting it is.

Mr Perfect
Mr Perfect
Jul 5, 2020 10:32 AM
Reply to  Nastran

I’m sorry .I don’t understand what you mean.

Alessandro
Alessandro
Jul 4, 2020 6:44 AM

You apparently were not there. I was and he was not a God, in the end a very foolish and arrogant man albeit highly intelligent. Which goes to show academic intelligence is only 1 of the 9 and ‘don’t work on its own’. I liked Whitlam the man, could not stand Whitlam the politician. Thank God he only lasted 3 years.

Marilyn Shepherd
Marilyn Shepherd
Jul 4, 2020 7:33 AM
Reply to  Alessandro

Considering I said I was a few weeks off 20 I was there. And he did more good for the country than all others since. But then stupid will continue to support the lies peddled by the tories.

Wazdo
Wazdo
Jul 4, 2020 1:20 PM
Reply to  Alessandro

I was there too and I loved his government. He was making steps in the right direction. Yes, he could be stand offish; show me a PM who isn’t, Thatcher? What was new was his loss to the Liberals at the next election; this was the first time that Murdoch realised he could decide the outcome of an election through unmitigated lies. Something he has been doing successfully ever since.

Alessandro
Alessandro
Jul 4, 2020 6:39 AM
Reply to  SteveEss

As an Aussie living in Canberra at the time I think this article is a load of cow manure. Just look at how the succeeding election decimated Whitlam and his cronies. It highlights very clearly what Australians thought of him and his team of misfits, albeit some of his ministers deserved better.

Marilyn Shepherd
Marilyn Shepherd
Jul 4, 2020 7:34 AM
Reply to  Alessandro

He was illegally sacked by Kerr with the complicity of that clown Fraser.

Ergo
Ergo
Jul 4, 2020 7:51 AM

“Kerrs cur” !

Ergo
Ergo
Jul 4, 2020 7:51 AM
Reply to  Alessandro

Are you not familiar with Sir John Kerr’s sacking of Whitlam amid the greatest protest and outrage of all time from all sectors of society.

Wazdo
Wazdo
Jul 4, 2020 1:24 PM
Reply to  Alessandro

Murdoch won that election for Fraser with lies. Murdoch journalists went on strike protesting the lies they were being forced to wright about Whitlam.

Mr Perfect
Mr Perfect
Jul 4, 2020 3:15 PM
Reply to  Alessandro

I lived in Canberra for 10 years just before Labor was elected and I found a great many of the citizen ,the majority public servants ,had a very exaggerated view of their worth.

Ergo
Ergo
Jul 4, 2020 7:01 AM
Reply to  SteveEss

SteveEss, don’t be put off by this article as it really skims over the bare bones of who Gough was.

IMO he was probably the best prime minister Australia ever had, was a natural statesman and great character.

For example, he was the first politician to champion such issues as a reformed school curriculum, introducing Australian history for the first time after students up to the 70s were stuffed with British, European and American history.

Australian history was an embarrassment before Gough came along, during a time when Australians felt ashamed for not being British or European. The great Aussie cringe.

Gough put paid to all the hypocrisy and forelock tugging that preceded him and he put a lot of political noses out of joint.

He was also the one responsible for the no-fault divorce laws, introducing a twelve months separation, followed by a clean cut divorce.

Up to that time In the 70’s families had to suffer the indignity of fault finding in courts of law.

There is a wealth of information about this great man who trod on lots of toes as he forged his new ideas into legislation, but his downfall may have been the Khemlani loans affair which carried him into the lion’s arena for his final demise.

Not to be forgotten is Gough’s handing back of Uluru (formerly known as Ayres Rock) to the aboriginal people of Central Australia.

Gough should never be forgotten: a fearless, proud Australian the likes of whom we have yet to see.

Mr Perfect
Mr Perfect
Jul 4, 2020 9:52 AM
Reply to  Ergo

“Australian history was an embarrassment before Gough came along”

Not so .Well at least not in Queensland.(I long time Labor State).

In the early 1950s in Queensland we was taught Australian History (maritime discovery,early settlement and Governors,explorers,federation and the importance of the Statue of