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WATCH: Your Body, Their Choice

Stripped of its contextual baggage, the phrase “My Body, My Choice” makes a compelling rallying cry because it conveys a fundamental truth that we all innately understand: I have the claim to my own body and what is done to it. So why, then, are we being asked to believe that when it comes to vaccinations during a declared pandemic it is “Your Body, Their Choice”?

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Gundam
Gundam
Jul 25, 2020 6:33 AM

Because Coronavirus is NOT just about YOUR body, but the risk you pose to other people (fetuses aren’t people). I in principle agree vaccines etc should be able to be refused, but to protect the rest of us action must be take in lieu. Such as mandatory quarantine. You do not have the right to run around infecting people with a potentially lethal disease.

Howard
Howard
Jul 23, 2020 3:21 PM

Here’s my suggestion when the mandatory vaccine nazi comes a’callin’: have a syringe (sterile to be sure) ready and waiting, with a saline solution (something safe). Just as the vaccine nazi readies to poke you in the arm, quick like a bunny take out your syringe and poke him/her in the arm.
 
And then announce: “There, you’ve been vaccinated.”
 
What are they going to charge you with? Assault and battery? But all you did was exactly what the nazi did. If yours is a crime, why isn’t the nazi’s a crime?

Rachel
Rachel
Jul 24, 2020 3:10 PM
Reply to  Howard

all talk of injecting people is the crime of threatening battery, menacing, terrorizing etc.

Terry
Terry
Jul 23, 2020 2:40 PM

Your body your choice, but you work all those hours for pittance, barely able to afford anything, if you look at the graph of financial income stagnation compared to inflation and the only thing you want to march for is rainbow colours. Got a warped sense of reality and that is why UK is in the state it is in. We should be the ones standing alone doing deals with china, iran, Venezuela. But the reality is that we have nothing but gay pride to offer them. Your life your choice

P R Ivy
P R Ivy
Jul 22, 2020 6:14 PM

I think it would be wise to organise a “tut tut” mini staged and very obscure protest, find like minded people, organise to be in the shops at a certain time, and have a die hard “tut-tutterer” in every asile, the Gov used psychological techniques to scare the living daylights out of very old and very sick people, and a shed load of morons, so perhaps the “tut tut” will hit them all where it really hurts, subconcious, it needs waking up, people are not behaving rationally they are behaving like lunatics and it needs to stop, I am going to sort something here, see how it goes, in Wales the mask does not have to be done in shops, but still people wear masks, even outdoors in what has to be one of the UK’s most awesome places for air quality.   small group of just 4 could work… Read more »

Rachel
Rachel
Jul 22, 2020 10:54 PM
Reply to  P R Ivy

its not scaring. its black magic. trying to put a curse on people to open them up to believing they will get sick. kind of like the opposite of the placebo effect. it is why it is so important not to have any contact with their conditioning.

JudyJ
JudyJ
Jul 22, 2020 12:17 PM

The agenda to murder elderly people goes on. I was astounded to see the remarks attributed to England’s deputy Chief Medical Officer Jonathan Van-Tam in the Times article linked below. It appears that the plan, not surprisingly, is to vaccinate elderly people first. He goes on to say that because this demograph is most likely to die from coronavirus it should be accepted that the vaccine will forego the normal safety checks i.e. it’s a balance between (avoidable) deaths from a dodgy vaccine and likely deaths from coronavirus.
 
So the UK Government is openly admitting that any vaccine will not have undergone safety validation as per a normal development protocol, and that elderly people (and ultimately others presumably) will be openly and knowingly being put at risk. Is that even ethically acceptable? And people claim they will be queuing up for this?
 
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/coronavirus-vaccine-for-older-people-before-christmas-adviser-hopes-3nb2nb8gq
 
 

Jura Calling
Jura Calling
Jul 23, 2020 1:20 AM
Reply to  JudyJ

All part of the numbers game, Judy. You could lose your head in a car crash and still get covid put on your death certificate.Ethics and the Hippocratic oath have been put into an induced coma while we try to get the numbers match the computer models doctored predictions.Money talks and it buys the silence of others.   Read carefully when you read about vaccines. Remember the real problem is covid 19- not merely coronavirus. Unless they have a vaccine for covid 19 it’s a waste of time.   The absence of evidence of the actual virus is why there is such a thickening cloud of suspicion hanging over this current psyop.The rumours of it having been isolated originated in Canada but were immediately stifled by red tape.Gates and Fauci, who promised us this ‘shock’ ( just after Obama had in 2015) also said it would take 18 months( as… Read more »

Marta
Marta
Jul 25, 2020 9:09 PM
Reply to  Jura Calling

Thanks for sharing it. Indeed, first of all we have to deal with the HIV-AIDS hoax, which placed a solid basement under current covid-19 media panic. It’s all was based on a false hypothesises. Louis Pasteur was a crook. There’s still no evidence of existence of such things as retrovuruses, measles virus, polio and so on…

wardropper
wardropper
Jul 21, 2020 7:50 PM

To be blunt, we are NOT being asked to accept “My body, their choice”.
We are being bullied into it by ceaseless propaganda and mob pressure.
None of that is acceptable in a democracy, and those who wish to enforce it must be held personally to account for breach of our ancient Bill of Rights and our slightly informal Constitution, which was nevertheless always intended to be taken with the utmost seriousness.
Keep naming names, folks, as many of us have already done – Ferguson, Fauci, Gates and all of the politicians they have bribed, threatened or sucked up to in order to get this atrocity off the ground.

John Pretty
John Pretty
Jul 21, 2020 9:19 PM
Reply to  wardropper

Whether you say “asked” or “bullied” … it’s the same thing wardropper.

wardropper
wardropper
Jul 21, 2020 11:51 PM
Reply to  John Pretty

Of course it is. But I like to undermine euphemisms 🙂

Jura Calling
Jura Calling
Jul 22, 2020 1:22 AM
Reply to  wardropper

You’re right. It’s bullying and the induction of fear.The fear is like a waterboarding exercise. But democracy has only ever been a facade. Just enough to placate the citizens and celebrate their good fortune compared to that of the communist countries and dictatorships. But when it all comes down the rights have been eroded as the sea has been washing against the rocks for a century. Remember, all it took was a plan to bring down two towers and use it to plunder another country then plunder your rights and freedoms in the name of ‘terror’.When you bear in mind who is behind that terror you’ll see the ‘democracy’ you imagined was just a dream.If they want to do it again they will. A ‘digital patriot act’ in all but name. This time in the name of public health and safety from another invisible ‘terror’ created by the same people… Read more »

Howard
Howard
Jul 22, 2020 10:55 PM
Reply to  Jura Calling

Not sure which “geek” you’re referring to; but if it happens to be Mr Gates, he actually made his fortune stealing computer code – not writing it. Before him, computer code was not patented. The rest is history.

Jura Calling
Jura Calling
Jul 23, 2020 1:04 AM
Reply to  Howard

Officially, he wrote / writes computer code. In reality, he probably, as you suggest, stole computer code.Then again, maybe the CIA had it passed along to him to develop in his new geek persona, hence no successful prosecution of him ; the affable clumsy geek who opened up a whole new world of computers and then the internet to all homes .God praise St Bill.   Whatever the truth, the point remains the same, he isn’t qualified to talk medicine, control it or make anything in a biology lab that has already disabled and killed 100’s of thousands of African or Indian subjects.Just because you fund a study, an institute a hospital, or any other seemingly worthy cause doesn’t make you a doctor.It makes you a donor. The leaders of the west aren’t questioning this.Which tends to suggest his real history was as a stooge forwarded by the CIA, much… Read more »

Howard
Howard
Jul 23, 2020 3:15 PM
Reply to  Jura Calling

Never forget who the CIA carries water for: the ruling class. And Bill Gates was, apparently, hand picked by the Rockefeller cartel; so no CIA involvement was needed to push him along. Besides which, in America (and probably the entire Western world), the donor class is who calls the shots; the “experts” simply carry out their orders. Doctors are made in universities; but rulers are made in God’s intestines.

Rhys Jaggar
Rhys Jaggar
Jul 23, 2020 5:44 PM
Reply to  Howard

Bill Gates’ family were well known CIA operatives, so the CIA knew they were in safe hands.

Rachel
Rachel
Jul 22, 2020 12:18 PM
Reply to  wardropper

the weapon is the germ theory. if someone is spreading that it doesnt matter how against the cult they claim to be. they are maintaining the belief that underpins the whole thing. https://youtu.be/Cdq80ijbj-I

wardropper
wardropper
Jul 22, 2020 7:02 PM
Reply to  Rachel

Yes. And the media are our main traitors for ceaselessly promoting that germ theory.

Rachel
Rachel
Jul 23, 2020 12:04 PM
Reply to  wardropper

these publications are obvious junk. the problem is people buying them instead of something decent.

AMR
AMR
Jul 22, 2020 4:46 PM
Reply to  wardropper

I don’t think we’re in a democracy. It’s an old paradigm now.

wardropper
wardropper
Jul 22, 2020 6:53 PM
Reply to  AMR

I agree that we are no longer in a democracy worthy of the name, but genuine democracy still seems to be a goal towards which many feel it is worth striving. That was the context I meant anyway.

yorkshirelad
yorkshirelad
Jul 21, 2020 6:48 PM

I read lots of whining everywhere about masks and what to do. Borrow an old saying “if you can’t beat them join them”. Clearly you cannot beat them when the law comes into play. What you can do is quite literally wear a mask…any mask as long as it “covers your face”. So pick something that screams F… OFF SHEEP. Mine is a V for Vendetta mask with the nose and mouth holes covered with an actual small cloth mask.
 
If anyone approaches you (negatively) simply start bleating like a sheep or if you get the “you are not taking this seriously” line, simply respond : My mask proves I am taking it far more seriously than you with your brainwashed sheep mask…..Baaaa.

John Pretty
John Pretty
Jul 21, 2020 9:21 PM
Reply to  yorkshirelad

Or you could just walk into a shop without a mask and see how you get on.
 

Jura Calling
Jura Calling
Jul 22, 2020 1:55 AM
Reply to  John Pretty

Or take a sawn-off with you too. You might come out making a profit 🙂

Rachel
Rachel
Jul 22, 2020 12:21 PM
Reply to  yorkshirelad

terrorist groups cant make laws.

Jura Calling
Jura Calling
Jul 22, 2020 3:49 PM
Reply to  Rachel

The Bush one made a few , The Trump / Fauci / Gates one will make even more soon. Get ready for the catchily prefixed ‘covid’ laws..
 

Reg
Reg
Jul 21, 2020 5:19 PM

Rappoport’s latest. Riffing on Alan Dirtbagowitz and the Florida covidchok numbers scam.
 
https://blog.nomorefakenews.com/2020/07/21/dispatches-from-the-war-dershowitz-florida-hustle/

Joerg
Joerg
Jul 21, 2020 4:00 PM

It is shocking that – until now – no one exposed the real fraud with this Covid-scamdemic The fraud was and is, that THEY DON’T MAKE A REAL TEST with those, who died (average age just over 80 years!), to find out what caused, let’s say, that pneumonia that led to death. They only(!) tested for pieces of antibodies that may(!) point to some Coronaviri. But they didn’t’ test for INFLUENZA A and INFLUENZA B (and Retroviri)! So a honest diagnosis was and is not possible. If they had tested for Influenza they would have found that those, who died, died “with” – and even more – “because” of Influenza (like in previous years)!   We had a normal Influenza-season with a normal number of deaths (in Germany much less deaths than three years ago).. It is only that they cheated us by refusing to test for Influenza.   Id they had tested… Read more »

Willem
Willem
Jul 21, 2020 4:46 PM
Reply to  Joerg

They recognize it, but turn silent when you mention it. After which they continue saying all the nonsense about CV before you said it.

Maybe it’s good to mention it nevertheless, but (honestly): it is very tiring and feels kind of stupid: like trying to convince a concrete wall.

Maybe even better is to ignore the courts, the media and the experts. They will go along, as in the emperor’s new cloths, with the con until the very end.

Jörg
Jörg
Jul 21, 2020 6:17 PM
Reply to  Willem

But we should not stop to try to convince the people around us. Because the governments are absolutely at it to pour the lie of “the second wave” over us. Here in Vienna, where I live at the moment, the Austrian government just RE(!)-INTRODUCED the rule of wearing a mask at the supermarket, barber, pharmacy, bank, Taxis, public transport and so on.

richard
richard
Jul 21, 2020 7:33 PM
Reply to  Willem

what the hell do you think the point of this scam is? to make us wear a mask?? to quote “cat” – “that’s your case?”
the “end” is written on the georgia guidestones…

wardropper
wardropper
Jul 21, 2020 8:11 PM
Reply to  Willem

I don’t waste energy on trying to convince a concrete wall; but I do get an expert to knock it down when it gets in the way. The whole point of our protesting against this ridiculous abomination is to HASTEN the very end you mention, and not get lost in the details of the emperor’s clothes. My rule of thumb is to ignore only that which I cannot in any way influence, but to try to be full of energy when it comes to what I CAN do. In this case, I can make a total nuisance of myself by not using hand gel and not using a mask at every conceivable opportunity. Frankly, I think we could now write a fitting epilogue to H. C. Andersen’s extremely relevant tale – in other words, we can get down to exactly what happened to the Emperor and his advisors the day… Read more »

ZenPriest
ZenPriest
Jul 22, 2020 11:57 AM
Reply to  wardropper

I like.

Rachel
Rachel
Jul 23, 2020 12:23 PM
Reply to  wardropper

find an outdoor greengrocers or market and keep your money out of the cults hands.

Maxwell
Maxwell
Jul 22, 2020 1:56 AM
Reply to  Willem

Hi Willem,
 
What do you know about Professor Marion Koopmans- Chief, Virology Department, Erasmus Medical Center, The Netherlands. 
 
She was one of the proposed members and advisers to International Health Regulations (IHR) Emergency Committee for Pneumonia due to the Novel Coronavirus 2019-nCoV. You can google that title to see the other proposed members. 
 
I want to draw your attention as I ask that question to this 14 page document:
 
https://nein-zu-diesem-epidemiengesetz.ch/wp-content/uploads/WHO-Swine-Flu-Conspiracies-British-Medical-Journal-2010.pdf
 
 
 
 
 

Maxwell
Maxwell
Jul 22, 2020 2:18 AM
Reply to  Willem

What do you think of this paper?
 
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7045880/

invitado
invitado
Jul 22, 2020 8:48 AM
Reply to  Willem

If we could a least wear the Emperor’s new mask without being harassed…!

Rachel
Rachel
Jul 21, 2020 6:40 PM
Reply to  Joerg

people dont get infected with flu either. it is the same fraud as with covid19. they find some piece of genetic debris and label it a flu virus when all the evidence explicitly points to other causes and there is zero evidence to support the virus theory. people might get symptoms if there is someone with flu but it is because of a change of season or their belief much like the placebo effect. the symptoms are detox symptoms made worse if there is a history of misunderstanding them due to ‘vaccine propaganda.

Jura Calling
Jura Calling
Jul 22, 2020 2:02 AM
Reply to  Rachel

It’s about making the numbers climb as high, or close to, the summit that Gates- through his Tech puppets and their fake models and invented algorithms- said they’d reach. A number so big that mandatory vaccinations will be sold to us as the only alternative to dying slowly and painfully.Doctors have supported this with their admission of how they lie about diagnoses and causes of death for money( paid by the same people who invented the numerical projections).That money isn’t their ‘philanthropy’ by the way. It’s an investment.Who will stop them creating the vaccine that will be produced by gates and Fauci money that’s already sitting in pharma comapnies.

Rachel
Rachel
Jul 23, 2020 12:28 PM
Reply to  Jura Calling

boycott microsoft and gates will run out of money.

ZenPriest
ZenPriest
Jul 22, 2020 12:00 PM
Reply to  Rachel

Reaction to 5G perhaps? Wuhan was the first ‘5G city’. Coencidence?

Toby McCrossin
Toby McCrossin
Jul 26, 2020 7:07 AM
Reply to  Rachel

Where’d you get your medical degree? A corn flakes packet?

Maxwell
Maxwell
Jul 21, 2020 2:29 PM

You do not need to wear a face covering if you have a legitimate reason not to. This includes:
 

  • young children under the age of 11
  • not being able to put on, wear or remove a face covering because of a physical or mental illness or impairment, or disability
  • if putting on, wearing or removing a face covering will cause you severe distress
  • if you are travelling with or providing assistance to someone who relies on lip reading to communicate
  • to avoid harm or injury, or the risk of harm or injury, to yourself or others
  • to avoid injury, or to escape a risk of harm, and you do not have a face covering with you
  • to eat or drink, but only if you need to
  • to take medication
  • if a police officer or other official requests you remove your face covering

 
https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/face-coverings-when-to-wear-one-and-how-to-make-your-own/face-coverings-when-to-wear-one-and-how-to-make-your-own#exemptions-to-wearing-a-face-covering-where-they-are-mandated

gordon
gordon
Jul 21, 2020 4:03 PM
Reply to  Maxwell

i do not feel the need
to take advice or guidance
on the space around my face
or the space between us
 
 
it’s your call
you make the move
 
i will go about my business
i will not engage or consent.
 
on the subject of the uk purchase of 90 million doses of pus ridden sv40 monkey virus
 
feel free to give it to the hard working dancing nurses and doctors all the key workers.
extra doses for all the hero
eye say

Ælfræd
Ælfræd
Jul 22, 2020 9:41 AM
Reply to  Maxwell

They will cause me not just distress but also alarm. Any abuse of any shops who prevent me service/call the police I will make a complaint of them committing a disability related hate crime – which the Police are obliged to log as a crime and investigate.

Toby McCrossin
Toby McCrossin
Jul 26, 2020 7:09 AM
Reply to  Ælfræd

Yeah, a disability to accept the overwhelming evidence.

Paul
Paul
Jul 21, 2020 2:09 PM

The vaccine has been the punchline to this pantomime since the start. I believe the vaccine has been ready from the very start. It’s not about what’s in it. It’s that you’ve had it. There is a mass ‘disinformation’ war going on against vaccines. Hancock has forbidden the media from printing any detrimental effects of vaccines in UK. This will intensify with increased media propaganda over the next few months. It’s interesting they’re suggesting this magical vaccine will most likely reduce symptoms but not cure the ‘virus’. This is all just a smokescreen and propaganda. The WHO will undoubtedly promote these vaccines as their investors are big pharma and their biggest donator is Gates. If this vaccine was genuine then all the evidence for taking and not taking should be laid on the table and then people decide for themselves if they want to take it and no pressure would… Read more »

Mathew King
Mathew King
Jul 21, 2020 8:45 PM
Reply to  Paul

I concur, we are constantly being tested, the more we comply the worse it becomes. (Give an inch take a mile) I have noticed on “Parler” (where freedom of speech is allowed) the share number of people awake to what’s happening around the world. Here in Australia and in NZ we have all become so submissive, (being a partially socialist country doesn’t help the matter much either) But we gave away our rights to defend ourselves years ago after the governments planned events in Tasmania Australia and Christchurch NZ. We all complain but nothing is ever done, we have all become complacent, lazy, ignorant and arrogant and thus sheeple ready for slaughter. Our safety rules and regulations have become so insane it won’t be long before we need a licence to fart, yet again we grumble and groan and then comply. I do wonder what happen “if” an actual deadly… Read more »

Rachel
Rachel
Jul 23, 2020 12:49 PM
Reply to  Mathew King

there is no such thing as a deadly virus. you are speculating over science fiction fantasies.

Mathew King
Mathew King
Jul 23, 2020 9:06 PM
Reply to  Rachel

Yes I understand about the lies that started back with Louis Pasteur.

Ælfræd
Ælfræd
Jul 22, 2020 9:43 AM
Reply to  Paul

Thinking is hard, that’s why most people let auto thinking take over – a lifetime of being subjected to NLP and hypnotic language will do that to most people.
 

ZenPriest
ZenPriest
Jul 22, 2020 12:03 PM
Reply to  Paul

The normie is ubiquitous and just as dangerous as the satanists pulling the strings. The normie is going to feel the brunt of my emotion if he gets in my way.

Tim Drayton
Tim Drayton
Jul 21, 2020 2:02 PM

Could we be missing the point? Is the vaccine just a subterfuge and not the end goal, the latter being to place quantum-dot tattoos on everyone along with the vaccine? And these will then serve purposes other than keeping a record of who has had which vaccine, which will be their initial stated purpose?
 
https://royalexaminer.com/digital-currency-some-strings-attached/

Rhys Jaggar
Rhys Jaggar
Jul 21, 2020 2:29 PM
Reply to  Tim Drayton

Quite clearly, all that it takes to stop quantum dot tattoos in their tracks is to ban all rights for Mr Bill Gates to trade anywhere outside the USA until such time as he is dead.

Thom
Thom
Jul 21, 2020 3:03 PM
Reply to  Rhys Jaggar

That would solve nothing, as Gates is little more than a patsy to keep the ‘limited hangout’ brigade drawing the wrong conclusions and asking the wrong questions.

gordon
gordon
Jul 21, 2020 4:08 PM
Reply to  Thom

since the 1890s the gates family have been rockerfella medical cartel agents
 
soros and gates bagmen freaks middle ranking wankers
 
medicine is the oil industry chemi cull

Rachel
Rachel
Jul 23, 2020 12:53 PM
Reply to  gordon

so organise a boycott then. we dont need to dwell on this.

Counter Economist
Counter Economist
Jul 21, 2020 5:32 PM
Reply to  Tim Drayton

The vaccine may as well be water, their end game is technocratic control.
 
The measurement, tracking and control of all resources in the world, including humans = Bio Capitalism.
 
Old Bill was presenting to the CIA in 2005 about technology that by 2020 will be able to control the minds of rival troops, via erm vaccines.

Maxwell
Maxwell
Jul 21, 2020 1:54 PM

It’s worthwhile to read, or re-read, the basis on which the WHO declared a “global pandemic.” Below is the short, 4 page report on this. I did so last night, the report is from early March, and upon reading it I had to shake my head in disbelief. They aren’t even making up scary scenarios or alarming accounts, that comes after their declaration proving how they manufactured a narrative. In fact while reading this I kept waiting for the indicators, the evidence in the report that there was something that should cause alarm.
 
Where is it?
 
WHO Declares COVID-19 a Pandemic
 
https://www.mattioli1885journals.com/index.php/actabiomedica/article/view/9397/8659

Rhys Jaggar
Rhys Jaggar
Jul 21, 2020 2:34 PM
Reply to  Maxwell

WHO could not define a pandemic if it were rampaging all over North Korea.   They cannot define a diagnosis of Covid19, so they have forged death certificates all over the globe through using patsy third parties. Enormous numbers of deaths deemed Covid19 deaths were not anything of the sort.   There is no global pandemic, there may have been mass infection of humans with some sort of coronavirus, but that has been endemic for decades. The top 50 staff at WHO should be put in prison for life if they challenge that statement, since they would be wilfully committing criminal lying to pursue an autocratic agenda utterly disocciated from medical need.   The PCR tests for SARS-CoV2 are unreliable and do not indicate any sort of disease severity nor viral load. They are not a disease diagnosis, they merely detect some viral nucleic acids. And if the tests were… Read more »

Maxwell
Maxwell
Jul 21, 2020 10:35 PM
Reply to  Rhys Jaggar

Another great comment Rhys.   I read your comment on the proper punishment for the Gates family to my wife. We were rolling in our chairs laughing.   Over 50 percent of the Covid deaths were from nursing homes in the US- rates higher than this elsewhere. Those from the nursing homes who died were already susceptible to ANY infection (remember 18/19 had near record low mortality rates) as they all had 2 or more serious co-morbidities. AND it was irresponsible, I would argue criminal, policy changes that hastened he death of these fragile people. We need investigations on this not partisan hackery.   As for the other 45% virtually ALL had pre-existing conditions and most also 65 plus. Stanford study (and anyone who is paying attention knows this) that <45 have effectively ZERO chance of dying from C19. And also WAY lower than the flu for those between 45-65.… Read more »

Rachel
Rachel
Jul 21, 2020 3:22 PM
Reply to  Maxwell

the who is much like the grim reaper. if they say there is a pandemic likely they are pissed off people are getting healthier and are trying to generate more clients for pharma. their credibility is on a par with jack the ripper.

ame
ame
Jul 21, 2020 1:33 PM

 
Your Body, Their Choice
NOPE
as of 20 May 2020 you body parts organs wil be used upon death
everyone is U>K is a organ donor unless you opt out
 
as of 22 May 2020
In Washington D.c the heart of the swamp the first state ever to use human compost every body upon death will be made in to human compost yummy
 
and FDA change it rules as of MAY 2020 may may may ALL suppliers especially non organic can change the ingredients or add ingredients without legals issues
 
 
i been boring the forums about this for a year
 
even got barred from another for explaining my opinion of why
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 

ame
ame
Jul 21, 2020 1:41 PM
Reply to  ame

some good news without doom and gloom
out with a client
Supermarket chain manager said her and her staff will not police the masks nonsense
 
she said they also had to pay for extra security to do the door as well as a reduction of foot traffic
 
basically they cant and will not ask customers personal questions nor ask why they not got the masks on or off

HelicopterBen
HelicopterBen
Jul 21, 2020 1:56 PM
Reply to  ame

That Supermarket Manager may well find themselves in another job / laid off / made redundant / sacked if “Head Office” orders are not followed to the letter (and “Head Office” orders WILL comply with Government orders).
 
In the UK, 20,000 new Police Officers are currently being recruited (50,000 planned over the next 5 years!). They will be used as Government Enforcers for mask wearing / mandatory vaccinations / stay at home orders – no doubt whatsoever about that.

ame
ame
Jul 21, 2020 2:18 PM
Reply to  HelicopterBen

the spin they laid of 25.000 police over the last 10/15 years
so this new recruitment is just spin. aimed at the general public who arent that well informed 50000 err nope. impossible
 
cant ask people customer personal question about there health
not that easy to do
ICO make this very clear so does EA10
and head office can say what they like the management locally no there customers
one last important thing there is so many exempts, the non exempts which is aimed at the gullible who believe there wil be enforcers invisible boogie man and ladys under the bed checking on you plague bringers
 
as the old saying goes they cant run a piss up in the brewery
 
pass the message on to your boss;’s for us.
 

Jim McDonagh
Jim McDonagh
Jul 21, 2020 2:30 PM
Reply to  ame

Policing has been extensively privatized in England as the wealthy become more fearful and take up the cost of deregulating the enforcement arm of government as has happened in England in previous centuries.

ame
ame
Jul 21, 2020 4:02 PM
Reply to  Jim McDonagh

The alt right nonsense sold to the masses of no go areas funded by the very same people who have no go areas .. in the last decade areas which are pubic have been sectioned of as private roads private area which arent enforceable as according the national trust the pathways are public they expect people to not no this.
gated areas to the well to do even churches have been restored in theses areas open for them if one visits which they can.
 
Outsourcing of policing department yes while they blame crime of the poor yet white collar crime like BS19 get no one nicked like the crash of 2008
but blame the poor, migrant and disabled welfare lot and repeat

 
 
 

Jim McDonagh
Jim McDonagh
Jul 21, 2020 5:27 PM
Reply to  ame

I agree with some of this post but feel I must point out that the newspeak , alt -right and alt – left , have the same goal , absolute control over the masses?

ame
ame
Jul 21, 2020 6:08 PM
Reply to  Jim McDonagh

  absolutely and if you look at my posts i call it dumb dumb dumb left right right left march to no where   but it was the alt right videos that i saw thee no go areas fear porn that what they call themselves.   The alt right nonsense sold to the masses of no go areas funded by the very same people who have no go areas . so mentioned it as that as i saw it   if it was by the bbc i would of called it bbc video or msm etc   at this level of so called oppressors, the votter is just a energy source to use to evoke what they want hence they have the MANIFESTO as in manifestation in what group intention psychic emotional energy one is manipulated to use in the left right right left trap. the date chosen even down to the… Read more »

JudyJ
JudyJ
Jul 21, 2020 6:04 PM
Reply to  ame

It’s not the supermarket staff who worry me, it’s fellow shoppers; we’ve probably all seen the video footage of aggressive and physical confrontations in the US.
 
What was it Matt Hancock proclaimed a few days ago? Something along the lines of ‘I don’t think we need to concern ourselves about police trying to enforce mask wearing…the public will ensure the rules are complied with.’ This comes across ambiguously but maybe he was content with both interpretations i.e. the public will do the sensible thing and wear masks or let’s leave it to the public to adopt vigilante enforcement in their own backyards.

ame
ame
Jul 21, 2020 6:31 PM
Reply to  JudyJ

JudyJ theses video are cleverly done time off the video and how it ends up on people feeds then the announcement colors used words movements etc of polictrickians that why they have prefects at schools and there system of hierarchical structure control the GWT and bus’s and shops have issues getting the police out for normal stuff (5 day+ for a shoplifter incident report )and general public is bystanders sadly trained but their is many who still went out sunbathing still went out 3 times a day instead of once and went out to the beach still not had time in there very very busy life too listen to Hancock half hour madness with rules contradictions or bojo slurp his sentences.   I explained to one shop the big shops excepted cash they was not aware the shop now excepts cash even though banking has become a issue some people… Read more »

JudyJ
JudyJ
Jul 21, 2020 7:11 PM
Reply to  ame

ame,
 
Thanks. I hope you’re right. I myself live in North Wales and, as yet, they are showing reluctance to introduce mandatory face masks in shops. But I don’t know how long this will be the case. About a week ago the First Minister for Wales announced that there were no plans to introduce this measure, but we all know how quickly they can change their minds with little in the way of persuasion.
 
As an indication of my lack of confidence that things won’t change I was almost tempted to buy a packet of disposable face masks in my local Co-op last night but, ever the optimist, I resisted the temptation. 😀
 
 

ame
ame
Jul 21, 2020 7:57 PM
Reply to  JudyJ

hi JudyJ there is exempts in the above posts use them
noone can ask personal medical questions in why you not got one on.
none of there business or a polite i am exempt thanks
 
 
EA10
https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2010/15/contents
 
ICO: Information Commissioner’s Office The UK’s independent authority set up to uphold information rights in the public interest, promoting openness by public bodies and data privacy for individuals.
https://ico.org.uk/
 
 
 
 

ame
ame
Sep 13, 2020 12:15 PM
Reply to  JudyJ

judyj hi hope your well
i been trying to find the bloody newspaper article you posted that i reposted about what that minister said they were going to do with the flu vaccine aka test it on the old poor first he did not muddle his words.. do you recall? and can you repost me the post you did that which i repost please
i cannot find in in my offg links
gremlin seems to have misplace it

regards and thanks

JudyJ
JudyJ
Sep 13, 2020 12:59 PM
Reply to  ame

Hi ame

I myself am well, thanks, but getting really fed up now, especially as mask wearing in shops has now been introduced from tomorrow despite the Welsh Minister’s insistence a few weeks ago that there was no evidence to support it! No surprise that it was only a matter of time.

Here’s the article you have asked for. It was Jonathan Van Tam, deputy Chief Medical Officer, who was open about the lack of safety guarantees.

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/coronavirus-vaccine-for-older-people-before-christmas-adviser-hopes-3nb2nb8gq

Keep well yourself.

ame
ame
Sep 13, 2020 10:12 PM
Reply to  JudyJ

thanks RE: face mask it will be slightly mad for the first week
in shops bus’s etc maybe acting silly., then it dies down
if anyone asks you for none wearing of mask remind them about the Ea10 law and them asking breaks the law and they could get sued fine for discrimination

you do not have the wear mask

http://laworfiction.com/2020/07/face-covering-for-6-to-12-months-from-24th-july/

Ort
Ort
Jul 21, 2020 10:16 PM
Reply to  JudyJ

Oh, I think it’s pretty clear that Hancock was implying the sinister latter option.   I can’t be bothered digging for the exact quote, or links, but earlier this month on this side of the Atlantic, New Jersey Gauleiter Murphy declared that anyone coming to NJ from the adjacent state of Delaware would be required to “self-quarantine” for 14 days. Incidentally, this diktat was especially onerous because there are NJ residents who work in Delaware, and vice-versa, and thus commute back and forth daily; I haven’t been trying to keep up, and don’t know if this sticking point was addressed or remedied, but I wonder how Gauleiter Murphy squared that circle.   I bring this up because during the announcement, Murphy admitted that this new “protection” would be difficult to enforce. But he hoped for, and implicitly encouraged, “public-spirited” citizens to help police and enforce this command.    Consistent with the official… Read more »

Ort
Ort
Jul 22, 2020 1:11 AM
Reply to  Ort

Since the edit option has expired on my earlier comment:
 
I just happened to come across a follow-up to the NJ/Delaware contretemps: NJ briefly abolished Delaware from the quarantine list, then reinstated it after new (fabricated) “numbers” convinced Gauleiter Murphy of the need to do so.
 
However, Delaware Gauleiter Carney is reportedly furious about this. So there may be a Clash of the Gauleiters coming up! It would be delightful if all of these powermongering pissant control freaks began infighting, and eventually killed each other off.
 
That said, this off again/on again tactic is another well-known psychological stressor; it exacerbates the crazy-making uncertainty in the FUD (fear, uncertainty, doubt) dynamic that underpins the draconian lockdown diktats.
 
Oh, and I also found out that people who cross between NJ and DE to work are exempt from this onerous idiocy. Another Gordian Knot cut!
 

Jura Calling
Jura Calling
Jul 22, 2020 1:36 AM
Reply to  JudyJ

Hancock is as arrogant as all the Tory headliners of our time.He enjoys his sense of entitlement like Cummings enjoys his and Johnson his. They know whoever picks the teams has guaranteed them free rein to do and say anything with impunity.   Like any ‘close and special friend’ Of Cameron, this brown – noser has kissed his way up the ladder.He was the Minister for Digital and Culture before this latest job. What does a minister for Digital do ? What’s it mean ? It means he’s ”good at computers”. So he’s a technocrat in waiting.   His first contribution was to ‘invent’ an app for everyone and he accidentally( ?) created it so it stole the data from any phone you sent a text to. But no dismissal for Hancock. He was made Secretary Of State For Health and Social Care (something else he’s had no experience of).… Read more »

ame
ame
Jul 22, 2020 11:12 AM
Reply to  Jura Calling

they used  a similar software to Palantir, and also used Palantir
it the same stuff used for trump and also the brexit and else where in eu. and africa brazil etc
Cambridge Analytica 
data is gold always has been
 
Cambridge Analytica and the creation of right wing media
https://neilsandersmindcontrol.com/index.php/neils-blog/cambridge-analytica-and-the-creation-of-right-wing-media   

Jura Calling
Jura Calling
Jul 22, 2020 4:00 PM
Reply to  ame

And it’s why each one of us is no more than a number from the second we come into the world.Soon we’ll be binary code.The digitally evolved number. That’s all that will evolve now.Numbers and technology. Unnatural selection from the Godless money eaters.
 
Think on who produces the data. Which institutions . And think who funds them or makes ‘charitable donations of multi millions’. I’m talking about Rockerfeller Foundation, Imperial College London and the satanic WHO. See who’s in every picture.And see who is instructing the whole world that they ‘need’ his poison.
 
Here was the big clue :
 
https://www.gatesnotes.com/Books/How-to-Lie-with-Statistic
 

Bella Donna
Bella Donna
Jul 21, 2020 5:40 PM
Reply to  ame

I opted out of organ donation. It’s not a donation if it’s expected. My body my choice.

ame
ame
Jul 21, 2020 6:36 PM
Reply to  Bella Donna

well done you did you opted out from the information you found on this site or was it from information you found yourself about it ?

IANA
IANA
Jul 21, 2020 1:30 PM

Not sure if this video has been posted before but I recently came it.
 
It starts from 1.33 and is an interview with a guy called Anthony Patch. I hadn’t heard of him although I had heard about Ray Kurzweil who is referenced. The most interesting part is that it is from 2014 and contains pretty much a blueprint of what has just happened.
 
A Bill Cooper moment …
 

Tim Drayton
Tim Drayton
Jul 21, 2020 1:19 PM

How about the following proposition?
Instead of the vaccine, infect me with Covid-19. I’ll take my chances, just as I have with every other cold and flu virus that has gone around, and if I survive, as I believe I will, I will then have developed immunity and cannot threaten anyone. (I believe I have had it anyhow and so must be immune, but this is just for the sake of argument.)

Rachel
Rachel
Jul 21, 2020 3:47 PM
Reply to  Tim Drayton

im sure a lot of people considered volunteerin to prove the virus was harmless but thought better of it when they remembered how dodgy the covid cult was. they could slip some poison in with it and say look see we told you the virus was deadly.

Tim Drayton
Tim Drayton
Jul 21, 2020 4:07 PM
Reply to  Rachel

Good point.

hope
hope
Jul 21, 2020 12:49 PM

I doubt the vaccines are going to be made mandatory anywhere as they know that at least 1/3 of the population would refuse. Bill Gates is probably a puppet, and the vaccine scare used as a smokescreen. Even if it was a deliberate aim, its more or less fallen through now. What they may try doing is making it compulsory to travel and so on. Then it will be hard for people like me who both for personal and professional reasons need to be regularly travel, and we will have to find a way to change our lives, and possibly cease to travel. And I know that others mean to do the same. So already now hardly anyone is flying, then they’d lose even those… But lets see how far the vaccine laws go. To tell the truth the economic downfall may well hit hard before vaccination can be sufficiently… Read more »

wardropper
wardropper
Jul 21, 2020 8:24 PM
Reply to  hope

Good points.
I read in the main Icelandic paper today that billions in unfinanced pension debt are looking like a problem…
I can see CoVid being used as an excuse for trying to scrap pensions altogether at this rate, and that would certainly reveal how high a percentage of modern Icelanders have become sheep. On recent showings at protest gatherings, it is quite clearly not all of them.

Carnyx
Carnyx
Jul 21, 2020 12:48 PM

Hurrah to our new/old masters
 

Carnyx
Carnyx
Jul 21, 2020 12:28 PM

Welcome to our future.. We are a commodity.. We are a resource to be farmed and exploited. Priced to sell.
 
Delirious and delicious

DummyDom
DummyDom
Jul 21, 2020 7:20 PM
Reply to  Carnyx

With the use of language and currency I already consider us to be serfs. The whole of the abundance of nature, including ourselves, is already a commodity, but then we die. The frightening thing is when our very thoughts and bodies are also harnessed as commodities, we may be absorbed entirely. “They” could want everything with no escape from the machine for us even in physical death. Could this possibly mean that they want our souls?

Carnyx
Carnyx
Jul 22, 2020 10:14 AM
Reply to  DummyDom

Alea iacta est

ovonovo
ovonovo
Jul 21, 2020 12:18 PM

Just a few comments on the Australian situation. It is not possible to obtain average age of death “by” by Covid-19. On the radio as I type (ABC) this it was announced that three women have tragically died. One in her eighties, one in her nineties and one over 100. Up until a few weeks ago they used to actually give the age of death: They certainly know it but it is now policy to announce that somebody died “in her eighties”, in her nineties.
 
They are embarrassed by the actual age at which people are dying. My guess is that’s it a few years higher than average life expectancy. It was one year higher in Switzerland.
 

Anyway why can’t Australians know the actual average age of death by Covid. I think it might be as high as 85. What a tragedy!

ovonovo
ovonovo
Jul 22, 2020 3:56 AM
Reply to  ovonovo

 
 
 
News update! 22July
 
2 women in their nineties died in Victoria Australia today.
Yesterday 1 man in eighties, one man in nineties, one in his hundreds.
No mention of actual ages (which they used to give up til a month ago).
 
Oh the tragedy! Oh the horror! Oh the unhinged emotional hypocrisy!
 
Let’s abolish death!

Antonym
Antonym
Jul 21, 2020 11:23 AM

Hardly heard this rally cry on Western streets in favor of Muslim immigrant women: their orthodox ideology pushes for permanent face and body cover outside, “honor killings”, no! to LGBT, no to birth control, triple talaq divorce.
 
Kind of racist…..:-D

The Dude Abides
The Dude Abides
Jul 21, 2020 4:11 PM
Reply to  Antonym

Based on your comment history it is you who seems to be the one preoccupied with race.

Antonym
Antonym
Jul 22, 2020 2:09 AM

What color is your Islam race? Is Christianity is race too?
 

Epousedesacrecoeur
Epousedesacrecoeur
Jul 21, 2020 10:17 AM

“My body, My choice” used as a means to justify the killing of one’s own child is unjust. That being said, the second part is accurate.

sabelmouse
sabelmouse
Jul 21, 2020 11:57 AM

you mean aborting a foetus?

Epousedesacrecoeur
Epousedesacrecoeur
Jul 21, 2020 1:13 PM
Reply to  sabelmouse

Do you refer to baby animals still inside their mothers as embryos?

alex
alex
Jul 21, 2020 10:15 AM

One may have a claim to one’s body and what is done to it, but that claim is denied.
 
To speak for myself, a few examples:
I am not allowed to choose the way my corpse is disposed of (fed to zoo animals, left
rotting in a meadow, turned into a stuffed toy, or whatever).
I am not allowed to use other drugs than alcohol or tobacco (i.e. free access to my synapses)
I am not allowed to end my life the way I want or when I want it.
I do not have the option to breathe clean air.
I have never been free to decide on these matters and that is not likely going to change.
 

Mm Crow
Mm Crow
Jul 21, 2020 12:33 PM
Reply to  alex

 Bollox
 

Gezzah Potts
Gezzah Potts
Jul 21, 2020 10:05 AM

Excellent, and very meaty video to digest, thanks James. Well people, it’s all getting down to the nitty gritty. You can continue to look the other way, and pretend nothing abnormal is happening, or you can stand on your feet, with your integrity and conscience intact. I now know no one who believes this whole panicdemic has been a scam. The last person came out today and stated that “The Corbett Report was ‘Alt Right’ and had been ‘deemed inaccurate’ (obviously by fact checkers) the term conspiracy theorists were used a couple of times, ending the message with ‘the police should be handing out masks instead of fines’. I cannot believe the sheer blindness and gullibility and willingness by the large majority in Australia to be fully enslaved. The presstitutes in this country have done such an exemplary job. So has the ‘greed is good’ mantra of Neoliberalism that many… Read more »

Seaweed
Seaweed
Jul 21, 2020 11:24 AM
Reply to  Gezzah Potts

I think this is a long term battle, people won’t just ‘wake up’, it’s a painful process to realise most of your life has been lived as a lie so people are in denial. They will hold on to what they believe and have worked for until it’s impossible for them to do so any longer. The resistance will slowly grow, it’s a battle that will take years…years for people to awaken and during that time there may be all kinds of horrible manipulations to our lives by the power elite. But that also is their undoing as we are talking about a battle for the human soul here and the human soul is far deeper and vaster and purer than their dark medicines and manipulations, as the individual is one with the group soul and they can’t control that 100%, they just aren’t powerful enough, for all their evil,… Read more »

Gezzah Potts
Gezzah Potts
Jul 21, 2020 12:13 PM
Reply to  Seaweed

I read your comment several times now, because today, been struggling somewhat mentally, so listening to soothing music as I type. I also understand why they’re rushing the vaccines. I take all your points on board and simply say thank you Seaweed🙏✌️

SubTropical
SubTropical
Jul 21, 2020 2:32 PM
Reply to  Gezzah Potts

Hang in there Gezza. You’re not alone down there in Melbourne. Plenty of good folk struggling with the current mass delusion. Keep away from the radio, especially that F%#kknuckle dr. Norman Swan and all his sycophants on the ABC.

Gezzah Potts
Gezzah Potts
Jul 21, 2020 2:41 PM
Reply to  SubTropical

Thanks Sub. Yeah, I know that, and lots of angry people on the Facebook groups I’m on who won’t be complying with the mask mandate by Dumbo Dan. I don’t go near any of the media. See enough of their garbage when people post their reporting on FB. I believe NSW is next in the pipeline for the ‘second wave’.

Reg
Reg
Jul 21, 2020 5:26 PM
Reply to  SubTropical

I like the expression fuckknuckle. I intend to use it a lot from now on to describe the covidchok wretches.

JudyJ
JudyJ
Jul 21, 2020 6:52 PM
Reply to  Gezzah Potts

Hi Gezzah   Only just seen your comment: been trying to focus on more mundane things today, and had to go all round the houses to access the OffG website because of Google’s attempts to close it down – I could only find it and access it via the link to this article on the OffG Twitter feed. I don’t know what I would do if this website was effectively closed down.   I depressed myself further last night by ‘dipping into’ the Sky News ‘Newspaper Review’ segment last night in the hope that there might be reassuring signs of sanity. How wrong was I. Matthew Parris (Times columnist) and Claire Fox (Brexit Party MEP and Director of the Institute of Ideas) have clearly been brainwashed. They were both hyper effusive and delusional in their nonsense, and both had manic grins on their faces throughout. They extolled the virtues of… Read more »

Gezzah Potts
Gezzah Potts
Jul 22, 2020 8:19 AM
Reply to  JudyJ

Hi Judy… appreciate your reply😁 tho even in Wales things are dodgy. Saw a link that on Welsh public transport, you can’t do anything like eat or drink that will interfere with wearing your mask at all times. I wonder how that’ll go in the middle of summer? The Premier Of Victoria has stated “we will all have to wear masks for a long time”. The same guy who has a few times explicitly said “the covid normal will continue until every person in Victoria is vaccinated”. Does he know something? I got back to selling the mag for 9 days and did amazing (very generous customers) so last couple of days have got in enough food and tobacco to last over 6 weeks (we all have our vices!) and will only go out for exercise in the surrounding streets which are very quiet and you hardly see anyone. Seaweed… Read more »

Rachel
Rachel
Jul 21, 2020 11:57 AM
Reply to  Gezzah Potts

light (knowledge) is the only thing that can counter darkness. such video does nothing to inform people of vitamin d deficiency or the lymphatic stagnation making people sick. this is the knowledge needed to dispell notions of pathogenic viruses.

bob
bob
Jul 21, 2020 8:51 AM

Apologies for another bbc link
 
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-53469839
 
“The vaccine – called ChAdOx1 nCoV-19 – is being developed at unprecedented speed.
It is made from a genetically engineered virus that causes the common cold in chimpanzees.
It has been heavily modified, first so it cannot cause infections in people and also to make it “look” more like coronavirus.
Scientists did this by transferring the genetic instructions for the coronavirus’s “spike protein” – the crucial tool it uses to invade our cells – to the vaccine they were developing.
This means the vaccine resembles the coronavirus and the immune system can learn how to attack it”
 
Now, who’s first Twatty Hancock?

Ælfræd
Ælfræd
Jul 21, 2020 9:05 AM
Reply to  bob

He will do a show immunisation, it won’t be the same stuff that will be forced upon ’90 million’ people (was that a slip as to how many illegals are over here?). Mind you these top level snivellers are so wrapped up in DOUBLETHINK that he probbaly believes the crap he is putting out.

Rachel
Rachel
Jul 21, 2020 10:53 AM
Reply to  bob

the body doesnt have a immune system. this is invented based on the germ thery. there is a lymphatic system that gets clogged up if peoples kidneys become dysfunctional. an injection cant solve this ie. it cant vaccinate against a disease because there is no virus responsible. the symptoms are not a disease but effects of the acidified lymph system trying to heal.

Ælfræd
Ælfræd
Jul 21, 2020 12:06 PM
Reply to  Rachel

I agree in part, but the trigger – for me being acified is another symptom. I’m not 100% convinced due to decades of brainwashing but anecdotally this seems to have a lot of answers https://www.learninggnm.com/ Sadly your theory, like GMN is not comprehenable to the sheep and they will reject any notion that COVID is a scam when one questions the very exitence of viruses(harmless proteins).

Rachel
Rachel
Jul 21, 2020 1:25 PM
Reply to  Ælfræd

labelling people sheep predetermines the outcome since you will make no attempt to communicate what you believe cant be understood. the sheep is another itteration of the germ theory. it is the biophotons that are needed to improve thinking and communication skills.

bob
bob
Jul 21, 2020 7:46 AM

“Covid-19 vaccine ‘may never’ be found, warns UK Vaccine Taskforce chief”
 
https://birminghamtimes.co.uk/covid-19-vaccine-may-never-be-found-warns-uk-vaccine-taskforce-chief/
 
“Following the announcement on Monday that the government has secured early access to 90 million doses of “promising vaccine candidates,” chair Kate Bingham sought to temper the enthusiasm of those who may have thought a breakthrough was imminent. She told Sky News: “We have to be very cautious, because there has never been a vaccine against a coronavirus and there may never be one.”
 
Kate Bingham appears to have NO experience in health matters – she’s a hedge fund manager
 
 

Waldorf
Waldorf
Jul 21, 2020 8:13 AM
Reply to  bob

I am no virologist but my understanding is it is far harder to produce vaccines for a virus than for bacteria and no vaccine has ever been found for AIDS, a disease that has been around for decades. The people pinning hopes on a vaccine and wanting to shut the world down until we get one are on a hiding to nothing. In my opinion, what we might get is more or less effective treatments for those already affected.
To the extent this illness is real and not just hype, we will just have to live with it. The world was not brought to an end by diseases with far higher mortality rates.

Ælfræd
Ælfræd
Jul 21, 2020 9:07 AM
Reply to  Waldorf

HIV doesn’t cause AIDS. It’s essentially an open secret now.

ame
ame
Jul 21, 2020 9:54 AM
Reply to  Ælfræd

and the big harma drugs they give you for HIV aids kills you and your death certification will say died from aids hiv related illness see a pattern
the drugs they give are immune suppression
and repeat
 

Ælfræd
Ælfræd
Jul 21, 2020 12:09 PM
Reply to  ame

Yup, lifestyle causes many such “diseases”. One of the worlds top mainstream virologists has been banging the HIV/AIDS fraud drum for years https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O-FB9-h1eFA

Jim McDonagh
Jim McDonagh
Jul 21, 2020 5:31 PM
Reply to  Ælfræd

You must be a relative of South African President Zuma who claims along with various other religious nutters HIV AIDS is gods will ? Or perhaps you are being facetious
 

Ælfræd
Ælfræd
Jul 21, 2020 6:47 PM
Reply to  Jim McDonagh

Explain to me why gay men with HIV die very different deaths than drug addicts? Why straw man, why not counter real science instead of this fake science that is really big pharma pushing narratives to sell drugs. Keep on trusting big pharma sponsored scientists, after all according to them oxycontin isnt addictive….ha!

Jim McDonagh
Jim McDonagh
Jul 21, 2020 8:08 PM
Reply to  Ælfræd

Simple enough . They don’t !

Jura Calling
Jura Calling
Jul 22, 2020 2:12 AM
Reply to  Ælfræd

The secret of how and why Fauci hid that fact from sufferers of both would be a a bombshell that could cause some damage if it went off.And how much money he and Robert Gallo made from it before releasing the truth.Dr Judy Mikowitz knows

gordon
gordon
Jul 21, 2020 11:28 AM
Reply to  Waldorf

I am no virologist but my understanding is it is far harder to produce vaccines for a virus than for bacteria

waldo
ohh waldo
you sound more like a nasa space cadet

the germ theory is banksters lie

bechamp truth
pasteur masonic scum

Grafter
Grafter
Jul 21, 2020 9:41 AM
Reply to  bob

2 down votes ? Strange.

Jamie
Jamie
Jul 21, 2020 11:46 AM
Reply to  bob

I heard on BBC radio yesterday a professor at Oxford saying that, because we have done so well at lockdown (she had to say this, she was on BBC radio) the problem they have is that there’s simply not enough people with symptoms to test the virus on.   This is highly consistent with what other medical professionals have said throughout this ‘crisis’ This is from Professor Hill at Oxford on May 25th!   https://news.sky.com/story/coronavirus-disappearing-so-fast-oxford-vaccine-has-only-50-chance-of-working-11993739   Let’s be clear, there will never be a vaccine for this, a Coronavirus, that barely exists anymore in it’s original form. The BBC suggesting anything different is pure lies, all it serves to do is keep the increasingly false narrative more prescient.   If you want some rational debate on this I’ve found Unherd’s coverage particularly refreshing, the latest offering here:   https://unherd.com/thepost/oxford-epidemiologists-suppression-strategy-is-not-viable/   The other thing I keep going back to is this… Read more »

Jura Calling
Jura Calling
Jul 22, 2020 2:09 AM
Reply to  bob

Rashi Sunak used to be one of those.Now he’s the chancellor. So i see big things ahead for Ms Bingham. She’s already talking garbage for the cause.

Dors
Dors
Jul 21, 2020 7:43 AM

By wearing facemasks I’ll save precious resources in preparation for the real confrontation When the economic system collapses, and the impoverished, monitored, showered in propaganda masses will fight like lions.   An idea: How about first disobeying once just to get the taste of it?   Then continue conservatively.   Why not just try approach 1, approach 2, approach 3…   (EUR150 are too high a price when all is at stake?)   ……….   Criticising, getting angry, saying   “NO to mandatory vaccination!!!”   are completely worthless, unless   you provide yourself with means to   avoid blackmail by the system.   And you do that by means like these :   1) Secure resources material : produce, barter, or otherwise : but avoid being caught   2) “If you want to go fast, go alone. If you want to go far, go together.” So, do some patient work… Read more »

John Ervin
John Ervin
Jul 21, 2020 5:21 AM

https://www.google.com/amp/s/deadline.com/2020/07/california-coronavirus-update-governor-gavin-newsom-relaxes-some-workplace-guidelines-announces-new-testing-method-1202989968/amp/ GAVIN NEWSOM FINE-TUNES THE STATE RESPONSE TO THE MAGIC VIRUS, LINK ABOVE, EXCERPT BELOW. (NEXT UP: THE CALIFORNIA GOVERNOR ANSWERS THE EQUALLY PRESSING, IF AGE-OLD, QUERY OF “HOW MANY ANGELS CAN DANCE ON THE HEAD OF A PIN?”) California Governor Gavin Newsom said at his Monday press conference that the state was adjusting some of the workplace closure guidelines it issued last week, specifically those around hair salons and barbershops and the “personal care services industry.” The governor said he had wanted to make the changes earlier, but that it “turned out that was more challenging than it may have appeared.” “The good news is,” said Newsom, “we now have new guidelines out on the COVID-19.ca.gov website clarifying what we can and can’t do as it relates to hair cuts and activities that we want to move from indoors to outdoors for personal care services industry,” said Newsom. “It… Read more »

WorldParole
WorldParole
Jul 21, 2020 4:23 AM

Why do they assume that someone who is “sick” by not vaccinating will cost the “system” all this money? Morons. Good nutrition is pennies to the allopathic dollar and it actually works.
 
Fuck healthcare. Brainwashed imbecile healthcare workers indoctrinated by dysfunctional big pharma weaponized drug programs. None of it works. Kill yourselves, MD’s.
 

Lost in a dark wood
Lost in a dark wood
Jul 21, 2020 3:47 AM

James Corbett (notes to Youtube vid):   Stripped of its contextual baggage, the phrase “My Body, My Choice” makes a compelling rallying cry because it conveys a fundamental truth that we all innately understand: I have the claim to my own body and what is done to it. So why, then, are we being asked to believe that when it comes to vaccinations during a declared pandemic it is “Your Body, Their Choice”? —   No, let’s not treat the wholesale killing of babies as just so much “contextual baggage” which can simply be discarded. It is, of course, a highly emotive question, but even a purely objective analysis would demand a thorough deconstruction of the slogan “My Body, My Choice”; and it is a slogan rather than Corbett’s dismissive suggestion that it is merely a “phrase”.   I apologise if he pays proper regard to the issue somewhere in… Read more »

Lost in a dark wood
Lost in a dark wood
Jul 21, 2020 6:36 PM

If Corbett anywhere deconstructs the slogan “My Body, My Choice”, please let me know.

Jura Calling
Jura Calling
Jul 21, 2020 3:30 AM

Once the mainstream begin to sing from one hymn sheet and echo the same agenda, you can rest assured, that the government is addressing you a la Big Brother through their hyperbole and hysteria. Those two particular devices are to keep you too alarmed to analyse whether or not they are telling you facts that come served with sources or opinions served with a side order of deep fried opinion.   Since their exciting Pandemic became a reality after years of planning, we’ve seen them play their role. Truth was treated as terror. Questions were treated as threats. And lies became immovable objects.One by one, those who questioned the medical rationale or logic were muted and smuggled offline as voices of dissent.It brought to mind a quote :   ” When you tear out a man’s tongue, you are not proving him a liar, you are only telling the world… Read more »

Jura Calling
Jura Calling
Jul 21, 2020 1:52 AM

For the attention of admin…

 You may already be aware of this and it may be nothing of importance. But I suspect otherwise.
 
When typing ‘Off Guardian’ into Google, normally you spring to the top of the page along with sections advertised too.As of Monday evening around 7 pm UK time, you are not there.The Guardian is.And you are only mentioned in a couple of vague twitter pointers.
 
Ironically, I typed in Bing ( Mister Gates search engine) and you’re at the top again. It might be a SEO thing between yourself and Google. If so, ignore this.Or it may be Google pissing around with people talking about their bosses’ bullshit.
 

Andrea
Andrea
Jul 21, 2020 7:59 PM
Reply to  Jura Calling

I has the same experience yesterday when I went to read John Ward The Slog site. I ended up using Firefox. I didn’t have any issue finding OG though.

Jura Calling
Jura Calling
Jul 21, 2020 8:25 PM
Reply to  Andrea

I’m guessing the other browser you were using was Google Chrome. They must be tinkering. It must be the ( cough) ‘fact checkers’ 😉

Calamity Jane
Calamity Jane
Jul 21, 2020 1:10 AM

( Abortions!??)All part of an insane dialog to distract when we talk about a new disease ( set of symptoms)that does not exist.
How insane are people?
We know the ” leaders” are totally nuts and Nuremberg- ing it. Following the directions of the banking cabal’s UN.
https://notpublicaddress.wordpress.com/2020/07/18/the-shadow-govtun-and-national-govts-have-got-munchausen-syndrome-by-proxy/

Howard
Howard
Jul 20, 2020 11:05 PM

The emerging bio/genetic engineering adjunct of Big Pharma has rendered the abortion argument moot. Fetal stem cells are in demand; therefore, fetuses must be aborted. As we say of everything in a capitalistic economy: Follow The Money. But if there ever comes a day when women en masse refuse abortion, you’ll very quickly begin to see Mandatory Abortion Laws on the books. And people will begin to see how really wonderful abortion actually is.
 
If governments can mandate giving a one hour old infant a hepatitis vaccine – and people are not rioting in the streets – they will accept just about anything.

Rachel
Rachel
Jul 20, 2020 11:57 PM
Reply to  Howard

there is no mandate. before that there is the ultrasound to consider. https://youtu.be/peMs26UXjQM

Jura Calling
Jura Calling
Jul 21, 2020 8:29 PM
Reply to  Howard

There is an equally effective and beneficial area of stem cell treatment that only requires the use of the umbilical cord. No need for interfering with any unborn child.The reason it isn’t being explored( for treatment of the general public) is that it tends to cause patients to overcome illnesses and extend their lives significantly.I dare say those at the top table have access because they decided they matter.But if we all started living longer healthier lives imagine the size of the population and how many of us there would be sing their oxygen.

Voz a0db
Voz a0db
Jul 20, 2020 10:35 PM

Funny… Right at the start of this Influenza silly season I wrote this one:   For those looking for a more cost/effective solution: Mere suggestion…   Vitamin A (retinoic acid): 3,000 IU every 2 days. Vitamin C: 3,000 milligrams (or more) daily, in divided doses. Vitamin D3: 2,000 International Units daily. (Start with 5,000 IU/day for two weeks, then reduce to 2,000) Magnesium: 400 mg daily (in citrate, malate, chelate, or chloride form) Zinc: 20 mg daily Selenium: 100 mcg (micrograms) daily   Vit A and Vit C are very important to the Interferon Signalling between cells. A deficiency of each (bad) or both (very bad) breaks the ability of the cells to respond effectively to the viral infection.   (Vit C: Those with severe renal and/or heart malfunctions or some sort of allergies to any of those chemicals are not advised to ingest these quantities.)   But… like they… Read more »

John Ervin
John Ervin
Jul 20, 2020 10:57 PM
Reply to  Voz a0db

“Just a little (pin) prick, though you may feel a little sick.” ~~ P. Floyd NYT below is busy with the work at hand, in their staff presstitute’s (“free”) David Leonhardt column “The Morning”. We see how they are carefully crafting the criminal CYA, probably parsed some time ago, to cover all crimes: “DEATH AND TESTING” ________________________ (CHARTS DID NOT COPY HERE, AVAILABLE AT “FREE” NYT COLUMN “The Morning”) President Trump gave a confrontational interview to Chris Wallace of Fox News yesterday that included numerous untruths about the coronavirus. Trump claimed that the United States had the lowest death rate in the world; that new cases were surging here mostly because of the large number of tests; and that his virus response had saved “millions of lives.” So I thought it was worth offering a quick overview of the actual situation with the virus, with help from a couple of… Read more »

Savorywill
Savorywill
Jul 21, 2020 1:06 AM
Reply to  John Ervin

And your point is…?

John Ervin
John Ervin
Jul 21, 2020 1:31 AM
Reply to  Savorywill

The downvote is point enough

John Ervin
John Ervin
Jul 21, 2020 6:29 AM
Reply to  John Ervin

I think there’s some real mistaken take about my post: I’m QUOTING those news items. They are NOT my opinions, au contraire, it’s all an excerpt from today’s NYT.

As I mentioned at top. Goodness….🙄😇

Galahad
Galahad
Jul 21, 2020 5:40 AM
Reply to  Voz a0db

Much easier would be to adopt a healthy diet which EXCLUDES all processed food, processed carbs, and especially vegetable oil, and INCLUDES lots of nutrient dense food, ie meat, preferably grass-fed, organ meat and healthy animal fast.

Ælfræd
Ælfræd
Jul 21, 2020 9:12 AM
Reply to  Galahad

agreed but add in no fruit except berries. Lots of olive oil. Eat lots of green veg – cooked in lots of grass fed butter/ghee/olive oil/cocnut oil. People dont get enough fat, it means they cant absorb fat soluble vitamins like vit d – leads to people having “virus” symptoms.

klipfisk
klipfisk
Jul 20, 2020 10:25 PM

In Italy, there is a new group, R2020 that will be fighting mandatory vaccination as well as many other issues: https://www.r2020.it/

Dean Lander
Dean Lander
Jul 20, 2020 10:17 PM

So glad to live in Sweden. No bother. Normal life people who wear masks are looked at like freaks even by the educated youth

Dean Lander
Dean Lander
Jul 20, 2020 10:20 PM
Reply to  Dean Lander

Have been working all the time. Shopping. Living a normal life. No lockdown. No mass graves. I left England at Xmas to. Return so glad I did. I feel sorry you lock downers

John Ervin
John Ervin
Jul 21, 2020 1:44 AM
Reply to  Dean Lander

It’s become a hot mess in California. Lockdown was briefly lifted, several weeks, and right when people thought they could write schedules that made sense, to get back on some track, wham, Lockdown 2.0. Déjà vu all over again, since last week.

Gavin Newsom thinks these are measured responses: churches can stay open now, but must do all services in parking lots, libraries still closed since March, indoors anyway, classes all online, sport events without fans, masks more mandatory in stores than at any time yet, etc. etc. I think Newsom is mad, but he has company.

In short, a deadly farce. Lucky Swedes!

Galahad
Galahad
Jul 21, 2020 5:42 AM
Reply to  John Ervin

He’s not mad.
 
He’s following orders.

John Ervin
John Ervin
Jul 21, 2020 6:22 AM
Reply to  Galahad

Ok, my bad, it’s whoever’s issuing the orders who’s mad. Cagey and mad.

He may be still be mad, if he’s mad enough to follow such orders.

Too bad the body politic and society at large has such an underperforming “immune system”.

It seems like humanity is defenseless against these rogue and misbegotten attacks on us all. The Big Lies.

Solus Deus…

Gezzah Potts
Gezzah Potts
Jul 21, 2020 9:34 AM
Reply to  John Ervin

You’re in lockdown again John? It’s now almost 2 weeks in lockdown in Melbourne.
And mandatory facemasks from midnight tomorrow.
As I said, it’s Melbourne is one of the testing grounds. It seems California is as well, along with Leicester.
I don’t think Newsome is quite as mad as a couple of other State Governors, or the State Premier of Victoria. But he’s close.
Would really love to know, all those politicians pushing the hardest for lockdowns and mandatory facemasks, etc, I wonder who their biggest campaign donors have been, or if any unusual meetings were conducted in backstreet car parks.
Or if promises of a ‘glittering career’ with certain huge Corporations or certain Foundations were made. You really have to wonder. Or am I just a conspiracy nut?

Reg
Reg
Jul 21, 2020 4:05 AM
Reply to  Dean Lander

Wow! I’m seriously amazed. It’s as if you’re an alien talking about alien things. Out here we have muzzled freaks thinking they’ll die if they go out and shake hands with other human beings. I wish I could leave this planet.

sharon marlowe
sharon marlowe
Jul 21, 2020 2:48 PM
Reply to  Reg

😀

RobG
RobG
Jul 20, 2020 10:10 PM

Face masks became compulsory on Monday in France in all ‘indoor spaces’…
 
https://www.rfi.fr/en/france/20200719-wearing-face-masks-becomes-compulsory-in-france-from-monday-but-where-public-spaces-supermarkets
 
I, of course, refuse to accept this tyranny. The fine for not wearing a face mask is 135 euro.
 
This has been posted on this board before, so I’ll just say that ordinary face masks give no protection whatsoever against the alleged covid 19. When you buy a face mask the packaging states that it will give you no protection against covid 19.
 
This is all the biggest con in history; but I suppose they got away with 9/11, and, sadly, they will probably get away with this one as well.
 
The world you knew not so many months ago has now gone for ever, unless millions get out on the streets and protest.

sharon marlowe
sharon marlowe
Jul 20, 2020 10:15 PM
Reply to  RobG

“This is all the biggest con in history; but I suppose they got away with 9/11, and, sadly, they will probably get away with this one as well.”
 
If they can get away with murdering millions of people to “save them from dictators”, then stealing money from you with absurd fines is for sure.

Jura Calling
Jura Calling
Jul 21, 2020 1:54 AM
Reply to  sharon marlowe

The house always wins..

Seaweed
Seaweed
Jul 20, 2020 10:51 PM
Reply to  RobG

I followed that link to rfi, and saw some of their other covid headline lies. I hardly ever look at the msm as when I do I just end up swearing a lot, so I’ve just had an outburst. It’s ok just the dogs heard, they’re used to me swearing a lot these days or saying things like, ‘I cannot believe it!’ Each day my perception of the world changes, I’m learning stuff all the time, I just learnt from this video that my body is a bio-weapon and therefore I am a bio-terrorist. So that’s a new self image to mull over…
 

RobG
RobG
Jul 20, 2020 10:59 PM
Reply to  Seaweed

Seaweed, the important thing to remember is that you are not alone.
 
There are zillions of us out there.

Seaweed
Seaweed
Jul 21, 2020 10:45 AM
Reply to  RobG

It’s true, we are many, but there is a long battle ahead. When Macron said, ‘this is war’ he wasn’t refering to the pandemic as there isn’t one, he was refering to the war of propaganda, the war to control people’s minds. Well ok, I’m up for the challenge, I’m not putting up with all the bs mask-wearing, claustrophobic, suffocating, bacteria-infected nappies.   And that’s just the outer symbol or badge of control, it goes so deep and so dark most people just don’t want to know what really goes on. We’ve been indoctrinated and desensitised for so long, seen so many wars fought, so many children die of starvation, but it’s been out of our control even though it is our ‘elected representatives’ who are committing such crimes.   I do believe their time is coming to an end, not straight away, but this is their last attempt to… Read more »

Rachel
Rachel
Jul 20, 2020 11:33 PM
Reply to  Seaweed

your body isnt a bio weapon. remember the law is any content must be prefaced with a warning if it contains such harmful signs of a lock down.

aspnaz
aspnaz
Jul 21, 2020 12:26 AM
Reply to  RobG

Government getting desperate: they want to be seen to be doing something and they need a scape goat for it not working. Bring in new laws, name and shame those being fined for non-compliance, everybody can then blame the mask-free bastards as selfish.

Doctortrinate
Doctortrinate
Jul 21, 2020 1:26 AM
Reply to  RobG

C’est une blague !  Are masks effective at preventing transmission of respiratory pathogens?   In this meta-analysis, face masks were found to have no detectable effect against transmission of viral infections. (1) It found: “Compared to no masks, there was no reduction of influenza-like illness cases or influenza for masks in the general population, nor in healthcare workers.”   This 2020 meta-analysis found that evidence from randomized controlled trials of face masks did not support a substantial effect on transmission of laboratory-confirmed influenza, either when worn by infected persons (source control) or by persons in the general community to reduce their susceptibility. Another recent review found that masks had no effect specifically against Covid-19, although facemask use seemed linked to, in 3 of 31 studies, “very slightly reduced” odds of developing influenza-like illness. This 2019 study of 2862 participants showed that both N95 respirators and surgical masks “resulted in no significant difference… Read more »

hope
hope
Jul 21, 2020 6:54 AM
Reply to  RobG

Im afraid Rob, I have to go to an important appointment today. Luckily a neighbour is going by car within 1/2 hr walk of the office Im supposed to go to, so Ill go with her and then walk. But on the way back, are you suggesting I pay 135 E fine? 2 weeks ago I already paid 180 Euros for the privilege of not wearing a mask on public transports (the fine would altogether have been 2 x 135=270 E). Im afraid I cant afford to keep paying.   Then tomorrow I leave Paris by train. Im taking a very early morning one, hoping there wont be people and I can get away not wearing it, and keeping food with me (they possibly even in ever so Cartesian France realise that you cant eat and drink through the mask).   Its easy to say you wont wear it if… Read more »

Ælfræd
Ælfræd
Jul 21, 2020 9:15 AM
Reply to  hope

It will be your children being thrown out of the window next as they come to force vaccine them. money is nothing without freedom.

hope
hope
Jul 21, 2020 12:21 PM
Reply to  Ælfræd

I have no children. I have lost all members of my family. I think Aelfraed, you are mixing up all the issues.   So you are suggesting I keep going towards a slow death: because I have refused to wear a mask, this has forced me to remain within walking distance of where I live, seeing absolutely nobody ever since March because everyone around is delusional. So you are suggesting that I totally give up on human interaction or keep paying heavy fines, and possibly a prison sentence after a certain number of fines. I had to go to collect my passport to leave the country. So you are saying I should remain passport-less and thus confined in a country with tyrannical dehumanizing laws? Pray what would it change, except my losing a lot of money and then going to prison in a country where there is not a single… Read more »

Ælfræd
Ælfræd
Jul 21, 2020 12:26 PM
Reply to  hope

Apologies I didn’t mean to lecture you. You are lucky that you have no family. If I had no family I would sell my property, buy a caravan and stick it on a field somewhere in the middle of nowhere – live off the land. Your (our) desire to stay shackled to a broken society means we swallow laws. These shackles are put their by ourselves and our desire to belong. I see why Agafia and her family went into the Siberian wilderness. Her lifestyle is my dream. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BFK3DJ7Kn6s

Gezzah Potts
Gezzah Potts
Jul 21, 2020 10:31 AM
Reply to  hope

I’m in a similar position Hope. Mandatory facemasks come in here tomorrow night with a $200 fine for not wearing one outside your home. My problem is I rely on public transport, and am nowhere near a train station. Have a feeling the bus drivers will be instructed not to let anyone on without a mask.
But I’ll push it as much as possible, right to the limit, even going into shops, coz this crap will not stop with facemasks.
There are people on FB groups here in Australia saying that a directive to wear a facemask is not law, its not enforceable, unless there’s a specific law stating you must wear facemasks, you can challenge the fine.
Being out in the middle of nowhere would be perfect. But most of us aren’t.

hope
hope
Jul 21, 2020 12:36 PM
Reply to  Gezzah Potts

I sympathize with you. That is exactly what I am doing, so today I did not in effect have to put the mask on my nose in the public transports, except for a few seconds, while I took notice of the surroundings to assess how to circumvent wearing the mask without putting oneself in a position to be fined or whatever.   Then the train I will be taking to leave the city for a safer” place is an early morning one: It wont be easy to catch one at 5am, but so be it, Im hoping at that time there wont be many people or many officials to implement the law.   Indeed one has to do things intelligently, not stupidly. For shops: I have refrained from buying some things I needed, Ive refrained from going to the optician, as I broke my glasses, so now have to be… Read more »

Gezzah Potts
Gezzah Potts
Jul 21, 2020 1:19 PM
Reply to  hope

Thanks Hope… Good luck in your new location, and hope the scenery is much nicer than your apartment in Paris. Trust it will be a bit less ‘metropolitan’ and not so many police about.
I’ve still got a bit in the bank, already bought enough food and tobacco to last 5 weeks tops, tho obviously this will go on a lot longer than 5 weeks.
And eventually will have to go out to the shopping centre. The streets round my flat are very quiet, so have gone for walks and hardly seen anyone. Enjoy the train trip👍

Grafter
Grafter
Jul 21, 2020 9:58 AM
Reply to  RobG

Can the 2 down voters to RobG’s comments please provide their reasons for disagreement ? Am waiting .

sharon marlowe
sharon marlowe
Jul 20, 2020 10:02 PM

It’s weird seeing the anti-choice people throwing up their demented propaganda under this excellent video. I thought that OffGuardian readers would have more respect for the idea of personal sovereignty, since this plandemic is an attack on just that idea.

Arby
Arby
Jul 20, 2020 11:09 PM
Reply to  sharon marlowe

This plandemic represents a war on God and nature (which humans are a part of) by those who have self-modified into believers in inequality, deceit and violence. The self-modified crowd pursue a ‘riches for the strongest’ ideology (and operating principle and paradigm). As professor Michel Chossudovsky notes, the powers that shouldn’t be (a self-modified crowd) are fully invested in a politics of exclusion. The vile maxim of ‘all for ourselves and nothing for others’ is their golden rule.   By their evil actions, which they are taking to the extreme, with unmarked vehicles, and passengers in them wearing camos, in the US scooping up protesters out of sight of others and with Matt Hancock bragging publicly about ongoing secret government operations dealing with dissidents, we are seeing not the rise of fascism (it’s either here or it isn’t) but the rise of the worst elements of fascism. Mary Holland, of… Read more »

sharon marlowe
sharon marlowe
Jul 20, 2020 11:17 PM
Reply to  Arby

A bit much on the god-stuff for this atheist, Arby. But I get your point:)

Arby
Arby
Jul 21, 2020 12:01 AM
Reply to  sharon marlowe

Don’t mind my god-stuff. I have to be who I am but I have no problem with those who don’t share my beliefs, as long as everyone’s friendly. I guess that it can be hard for some to see me state that they have to be saved by God or they won’t be. But if they don’t believe I have it right, that shouldn’t devastate them and we can all agree to disagree.

John Ervin
John Ervin
Jul 21, 2020 1:56 AM
Reply to  Arby

For all those who have trouble with “God is Truth” we have Gandhi, who noted that he reversed that equation: “Truth is God.” And he said in his autobiography that he found that “revealing”.

It’s truly the same. Whatever else may be added.

Arby
Arby
Jul 21, 2020 2:23 AM
Reply to  John Ervin

Acknowledged. As Jesus Christ said, “I say to you, Everyone who acknowledges me before men, the Son of man will also acknowledge him before the angels of God. But whoever disowns me before men will be disowned before the angels of God.” (Luke 12:8,9) My choice is to acknowledge Jehovah God, and his chief representative, ‘and’ to have a personal relationship with God. He’s real. He’s a person. He’s the Creator and source of life. And that doesn’t mean that I have no use for truth. Indeed, honesty is one of God’s standards. He disapproves of liars.

John Ervin
John Ervin
Jul 21, 2020 3:52 AM
Reply to  Arby

Of course, I “simply” added Gandhi’s insight (I was delighted to find James Douglass also uses the Gandhi quote in his book, “The Nonviolent Coming of God” and sometimes his other books) because it’s universal and can be seen, by any who will, as always true.

I’ve had many friends that were or are atheist or agnostic, and many of them were or are not able to see past their disbeliefs in the way God was or is represented in culture, or church, or wherever.

When I put it to them as “Truth is God,” as Gandhi did, I often found it changed the entire perspective for some. It often creates at least certain common ground, for those who see or will receive that, as such, which may help.

So it’s by no means the last Word on it, only the first.

Reg
Reg
Jul 21, 2020 4:09 AM
Reply to  sharon marlowe

Actually, Sharon, this god stuff isn’t too bad. Because we are literally dealing with satanists today. You don’t believe in god, but the other side believes in lucifer. It’s their belief system that we are fighting right now. So we have to believe in something otherwise we will lose this fight.

sharon marlowe
sharon marlowe
Jul 21, 2020 12:46 PM
Reply to  Reg

Sorry, Reg, but that doesn’t make sense to me.

Cicatriz
Cicatriz
Jul 21, 2020 4:14 PM
Reply to  sharon marlowe

It’s positing the idea that what we are involved in a satanic conspiracy. To understand that, to undestand one’s enemy, it is necessary to understand the Christian religion. The argument as it stands makes sense.
 
However, I think it is a big dose of question begging. “Satanic conspiracy” is the presumed answer to the question, “what is happening in the world right now?” That is by no means certain and it is mostly Christian’s who presume satanism to be the answer.
 
The world, as ever, is subjectively described by the ideological perspective of the observer. We’re all pretty much guilty of that. Similarly, right wingers think everything is a communist conspiracy. Left wingers think its a capatilist or a neoliberal one. Maybe the truth is mixed in amongst all that, but it’s above my grade.

sharon marlowe
sharon marlowe
Jul 21, 2020 5:42 PM
Reply to  Cicatriz

The Satan/God argument doesn’t make sense either realistically, or metaphorically. From a christian perspective, gods are real. Satan is real. They are actual entities that exist in their minds. There’s no reason for an atheist to take sides in such a bizarre way of thinking. And metaphorically, to say that Satan represents evil and God represents good, can be easily turned into Satan representing freedom while God represents oppression, Satan representing liberalism while God representing conservatism. Looks like more of a mess to accept it as metaphor than it would be to reject it as unrealistic. And there is no sense to the right wing claims of a “communist conspiracy”. Communism has at it’s core the rights of the everyday worker in society. Communism is for the union of workers against capitalists, oligarchs, autocrats, etc. So there’s not “truth is mixed” with the right and left here, it’s that the… Read more »

DummyDom
DummyDom
Jul 21, 2020 9:16 PM
Reply to  sharon marlowe

Mark Passio explained it well for me. If you want to know about the Catholic church ask a priest and so on, well if you want to know about the roots of Satanism then why not first try the church of Satan website? Here we go: Question: Why do Satanists worship The Devil? We don’t. Satanists are atheists. We see the universe as being indifferent to us, and so all morals and values are subjective human constructions. Our position is to be self-centered, with ourselves being the most important person (the “God”) of our subjective universe, so we are sometimes said to worship ourselves. Our current High Priest Gilmore calls this the step moving from being an atheist to being an “I-Theist.” Satan to us is a symbol of pride, liberty and individualism, and it serves as an external metaphorical projection of our highest personal potential. We do not believe… Read more »

sharon marlowe
sharon marlowe
Jul 21, 2020 9:43 PM
Reply to  DummyDom

“Selfishness hurts us all and that’s how I try to understand it at a practical non-mystical way”
 
Yes, and good comment overall, DDom:)

Ælfræd
Ælfræd
Jul 21, 2020 9:18 AM
Reply to  sharon marlowe

It doesn’t matter if we believe in God or not. Them at the top frame it in those terms in their own minds. Athesiam is their religion and they use fake science to justify whatever morals they think fit.

gordon
gordon
Jul 21, 2020 11:34 AM
Reply to  sharon marlowe

satanist is it
funny most atheist rarely mention lucifer?

Rhys Jaggar
Rhys Jaggar
Jul 21, 2020 7:39 AM
Reply to  Arby

Bill Gates’ technology is suitable for living on Mars.
 
So tell Bill Gates to foxtrot oscar off to Mars in a space ship and pioneer life there using all his unwanted technology.
 
It is not suitable for planet earth.

Arby
Arby
Jul 21, 2020 1:22 PM
Reply to  Rhys Jaggar

Bill has to leave. Up or down, it doesn’t matter.

Yami
Yami
Jul 21, 2020 7:38 AM
Reply to  sharon marlowe

Agreed. We are free to do whatever we wish to our physical bodies, and as long as one part of this freedom is taken away, all others are to follow.

Ælfræd
Ælfræd
Jul 21, 2020 9:20 AM
Reply to  Yami

Hancock reminds me a lot of Dr Mengele – he liked forced vaccinations too.

gordon
gordon
Jul 22, 2020 12:33 AM
Reply to  sharon marlowe

it is weird seeing you so involved in the issue
do you have any experience in this area
any financial interests?

Jura Calling
Jura Calling
Jul 20, 2020 9:38 PM

To vaccinate or not to vaccinate, that is the question.The answer’s no.It just doesn’t have a good Shakespearean ring to it.   As we try to grab the occasional stolen moment of stillness which are becoming more rare by the day, i see a common denominator in the chaos.There it is in every picture.  We had the Pandemic planned for 20 years ago then rehearsed for intermittently from then until now. Vaccines were in every scenario, despite e the pandemic being hypothetical.  Immediately before the real pandemic ( the one that’s ravaged the globe since March, killed a million people but still hasn’t been isolated for real in order that we make a vaccine) we had another pandemic.There was no catchy title for it though.Social Justice was sort of close.A new movement spread across the virtual world like a virus. Splinter groups were finding all kinds of nonsense… Read more »

Frank
Frank
Jul 20, 2020 10:47 PM
Reply to  Jura Calling

Thank you, Jura Calling. A superb commentary. I don’t know what kind of idiot downvoted you but it’s a pity I can only upvote you once.

Jura Calling
Jura Calling
Jul 20, 2020 11:17 PM
Reply to  Frank

Thanks for the heads up, Frank, I appreciate it. We’re mostly on the same side ( I like to think) here.And we should continue to share and spread the word.I know there’s a habitual downvoter here.More than one.It’s their ‘thing’.They don’t always bother reading the articles they vote on.Still, it takes all sorts I suppose 🙂
 
keep the faith 🙂
 

Ælfræd
Ælfræd
Jul 21, 2020 9:26 AM
Reply to  Jura Calling

nicely written thata skillfully avoids “tin fooil hat” type language, i’ve sent it out to a few family members to digest. thanks.

Grafter
Grafter
Jul 21, 2020 10:10 AM
Reply to  Jura Calling

Jura, small point but can you lay off the italics ? Bit hard on the old eyes and with this deadly virus floating about they too may soon be affected. Cheers.

Alessandro
Alessandro
Jul 21, 2020 12:30 AM
Reply to  Jura Calling

To vaccinate or not to vaccinate, that is the question.The answer’s no.It just doesn’t have a good Shakespearean ring to it.   The modern Shakespeare’s take;   To be, or not to be, that is the question: Whether ’tis nobler in the mind to suffer The injections of mass fraud and building an outrageous Gate’s fortune, Or to take Arms against a Sea of totalitarians, And by opposing end them.   And the only way to end them is to rouse your neighbour and end them.   Perhaps we could have a modern version of Julius Caesar with a speech by Gates or Fauci or the NY governor (I forgot his forgettable name)   Friends, fools, countrymen, lend me your fears; I come to bury Capitalism, not to praise it. The evil that we men do lives after us; The good is oft interred with its sense; So let it… Read more »

Jura Calling
Jura Calling
Jul 21, 2020 1:46 AM
Reply to  Alessandro

very inspiring 😉
 
KIng Lear’s an old favourite..more so now that i notice that all known ‘deadly ‘ diseases seem to avoid the elite and allow them to live and hate for too many years…
 
”“machinations, hollowness, treachery, and all ruinous disorders, follow us disquietly to our graves” 
 
( can you hear footsteps yet Mr Gates ?)

gordon
gordon
Jul 20, 2020 9:32 PM

trust
welcome yes
welcome
you can trust smith klein beacham
astro zeneca imperial and oxbridge
royal crown
a kingdom for a corona
trust in the 5g phased array beast system
 
you can take that to the b i s bank
 
germ theory needs a cure
 
 
“Eye of newt, and toe of frog,
Wool of bat, and tongue of dog,
Adder’s fork, and blind-worm’s sting,
Lizard’s leg, and howlet’s wing,–
For a charm of powerful trouble,
Like a hell-broth boil and bubble.”
 
 
 
 
 
 
By the pricking of my thumb,
Something wicked this way comes.
 
 

Calamity Jane
Calamity Jane
Jul 20, 2020 8:55 PM

No. Its not about nor should it be linked/associated to an abortion, that’s subtle mind programming .
Its not a choice.
Legally forced or mandatory vaccination is criminal as its assault and battery.
 

Rachel
Rachel
Jul 20, 2020 9:04 PM
Reply to  Calamity Jane

battery is certainly not in the definiton of vaccination but so too are not poisons. this is why they say they are safe. they are referring only too the antibody response rather than the battery with toxic injection. the battery and poisoning is a crime regardless of whether it was requested on behalf of a child.

Calamity Jane
Calamity Jane
Jul 20, 2020 9:34 PM
Reply to  Rachel

There is no truth in the definition of vaccines Rachel, they are not safe or effective. .
Setting off a immune response( antibodies) in the blood does not make it “safe” nor does it prove any efficacy.
Any unlawful touching or unauthorized administration of medical care not in an emergency situation is a battery, a legal term for an assault.
 
 
 

Rachel
Rachel
Jul 20, 2020 11:15 PM
Reply to  Calamity Jane

its not medical care if it is poisoning. the point is they are not referring to the injection being safe but the vaccine which is the antibody response. the adjuvants etc. are not the vaccine so effects do not apply to the safety of vaccines. they are deceiving people talking about a different subject from what people think and hence distinguishing these things helps people understand. they get people to legislate on the vaccine not the injection. if someone agrees to the vaccine they get the extras with it but those arnt legal. the safety of the injection is different from the safety of the vaccine. this is a main thing the controlled opposition hide

Calamity Jane
Calamity Jane
Jul 21, 2020 12:47 AM
Reply to  Rachel

Yes this is the same type of garbage they uses its called controlled opposition narrative Rachel.
Going on and on about masks, statistics that are totally irrelavent as they are based ona BID LIE( Covid) and now abortion associated “vaccinations” debates.
Please its pre 101 mind conditioning for babies.
The key FACT (the point omitted here time and again) is there is no new disease called covid.
You can’t propose to vaccinate against a 100% non existent “new disease”.
Only can if idiots with ADD keep debating abortion vaccinations , masks, Agent Assange,capitalism( we don’t even have it) Trump etc same old dialect.
 

Charlotte Russe
Charlotte Russe
Jul 20, 2020 8:42 PM

 
Here’s another interesting video, my only bone of contention is his anti-pro-choice comments.

Ælfræd
Ælfræd
Jul 20, 2020 8:54 PM

Surely if you agree with abortion you agree with forced vaccination. The first is much worse than the latter as abortion is guaranteed death. The fact people use orwellian eupehmisms like “pro-choice” shows that deep down thet know its wrong.

Charlotte Russe
Charlotte Russe
Jul 20, 2020 9:01 PM
Reply to  Ælfræd

Your analogy is ludicrous one has nothing to do with the other. A forced vaccination occurs when the government demands you inject a pharmaceutical substance into your body. An elective abortion is not mandatory, but is determined by the person who is carrying the zygote.

IANA
IANA
Jul 20, 2020 9:15 PM

‘zygote’ – never ceases to amaze me the limits abortion apologists will go to deny the reality of killing a baby in the womb,

Charlotte Ruse
Charlotte Ruse
Jul 20, 2020 9:24 PM
Reply to  IANA

You’re silly.

IANA
IANA
Jul 20, 2020 10:21 PM
Reply to  Charlotte Ruse

Ad hominem Lotte. Take it you have no argument?

sharon marlowe
sharon marlowe
Jul 20, 2020 10:46 PM
Reply to  IANA

lol Arguments against your bs propaganda? Charlotte Ruse is right, you are silly:D

IANA
IANA
Jul 21, 2020 9:37 AM
Reply to  sharon marlowe

8M babies aborted since 1967 is not propaganda, its a fact. A genocide on the most innocent and vulnerable while we also import millions of migrants due to our ‘falling birth rates’. Symptomatic of a very sick society.

sharon marlowe
sharon marlowe
Jul 21, 2020 12:45 PM
Reply to  IANA

They’re not babies, that’s propaganda used by right wingers to try to control women. You’re anti-personal sovereignty, pro-overpopulation, and anti-migrant–a total right winger.

IANA
IANA
Jul 21, 2020 2:51 PM
Reply to  sharon marlowe

I am not a right winger any more than I’m left winger. That’s a defacto pejorative people of the left use in the false belief it makes them right. It doesnt.   Personal sovereignty doesn’t include the right to kill ones own child. ‘Personal sovereignty’ in that respect has ceased to be as its no longer personal – it now includes another.   I’m neither for or against population growth. I think that’s only an issue for eugenicists of which I am certainly not one. I am anti low skilled unlimited immigration. If migrants come and have something to offer I am certainly for that. Afghan hijackers and somali rapists not so much.   A ‘total right winger’? Lol I explained that but you had to repeat it because to you if I have right of centre ideas somehow you win by default?   I think I was right when… Read more »

sharon marlowe
sharon marlowe
Jul 21, 2020 2:54 PM
Reply to  IANA

You’re a right winger, and I’m a left winger. I’m not lying about it, you are.

Ergo
Ergo
Jul 20, 2020 11:04 PM
Reply to  IANA

Yes you are silly.
Have you had experience with a developing zygote in you own uterus?

Jura Calling
Jura Calling
Jul 21, 2020 1:57 AM
Reply to  Ergo

Now that’s an image

Charlotte Russe
Charlotte Russe
Jul 20, 2020 11:04 PM
Reply to  IANA

I think proselytizing is an obnoxious habit of the overly theological.

IANA
IANA
Jul 21, 2020 9:34 AM

Nothing to do with proselytizing but providing a voice to those most vulnerable who have none.

Charlotte Ruse
Charlotte Ruse
Jul 21, 2020 11:38 AM
Reply to  IANA

Everything to do with proselytizing…..at least be honest.

IANA
IANA
Jul 21, 2020 2:38 PM
Reply to  Charlotte Ruse

Keep repeating it doesn’t make it true, sorry.

Charlotte Russe
Charlotte Russe
Jul 21, 2020 3:32 PM
Reply to  IANA

I thought we ended our discussion.

Ælfræd
Ælfræd
Jul 21, 2020 9:30 AM
Reply to  IANA

Only DOUBLETHINK, but questioning the COVID nonsense is almost a useful distraction. We can’t change thw world without changing ourselves first. They can’t even comprehend that they want free choice but that baby has no choice. IT’s the materialistic view of the world that is at the core of the ideology of people like Bill Gates and his runts further down the chain.

IANA
IANA
Jul 21, 2020 9:33 AM
Reply to  Ælfræd

Totally agree. Its a very selfish demanding free choice but denying it to those who have none.

Arby
Arby
Jul 20, 2020 11:29 PM
Reply to  IANA

Conception brings life. When do we acquire our souls? Are Jehovah’s Witnesses right that we, physical humans, are souls? They have some basis for that view. That’s usually how the word is used in the Bible. On the other hand, there are scriptures that suggest that that view is wrong. They refer to resurrection but mean duplication. They say that God remembers absolutely every detail of a loyal worshipper, or innocent human (baby for example). I’m sure he does. But the idea that my resurrection is only a duplication doesn’t sit well with me. But, then, how do we acquire our souls if we possess immaterial, spirit souls? (Energy is still physical.)   The only answer that I can come up with is that Jehovah God creates us at the moment of conception. But the reason that I have a problem with that is that I can’t see him creating… Read more »

Ælfræd
Ælfræd
Jul 21, 2020 9:32 AM
Reply to  Arby

Christians and many Jews are divided on the issue. Many Rabbis believe until the baby enters the birth canal it is not a person and the thou shall not kill commandment does not apply. This is clearly nonsense as early born babies can and do survive months early.

Arby
Arby
Jul 21, 2020 1:26 PM
Reply to  Ælfræd

Unless I have a reason not to – and I was given a mind for that reason, namely to decide for myself; I don’t automatically believe what the Bible says – I defer to the holy Scripture. God sees the person in the womb, ergo… See Pslam 139:13-16

Arby
Arby
Jul 22, 2020 4:51 PM